The WAN Show - AMD Zen Benchmarks Leaked! - August 12th 2016
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·Linus Tech Tips
·2017-05-06
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so just you know be aware that I'm broadcasting it's fine you can keep
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yay thank you all right so this is what
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I was working on a 5,000
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very hard to get your hands on unless you have $5,000 that you want to trade
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for one of these um so I've seen people saying things all the way from cuadros
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can't run games to that cuadros run games better
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neither of which are true well there's only one way to find out and that's why
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watching the episode of holy sh uh that's going to be coming pretty
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soon maybe I'm wrong stay tuned to find out yeah now some of you are probably
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here I suspect he's like sitting at home
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dreaming of work probably that's that's my best guess he's probably looking at
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camera gear that's my yeah he's probably he's probably like researching crap that
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he can hang in the lighting Grid or whatever the case may be all right so
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let's get this show on the road and that begins with of course after the excuses
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the intro roll it
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wow it's so nice having the stream work properly the only thing that doesn't
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work properly is me being here on time so uh
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you guys should just skip the intro and do the excuses no I already did the
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excuses that's the whole point all right let's jump right into what I personally
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consider to be the big news this week so
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the original article here is from wccftech when I saw this I pretty much
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went bananas look at that AMD Zen
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engineering sample bench marks leak out
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the Summit Ridge CPU is apparently faster than the Intel Cor 5
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4670 in the um whatever it is yes ashes
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of the singularity Benchmark
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program yes my friends I just covered
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for a weird grammatical slip up by pretending that the pauses were
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intentional it was very convincing that's a pro tip by the way I didn't get
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away with it did I when I have your job one day I'll keep that in mind okay all
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right well ah show up on time and work hard
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and other thing yes then profit question mark then
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profit okay so let's let's talk about this a little bit first of all yes I
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know the source is wccf Tech bit of a
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rumor mill but sometimes they do hit on things so bit of a rumor mill I mean
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it's one of those things where if you Mill enough rumors eventually you will
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end up with a loaf of truth I was just
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about to say loaf of Truth bread read my mind perfect perfect see we got Synergy
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today all right um and there are things
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that you can consider there are things that you can do to sort of vet a
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particular rumor so one of them is you
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can kind of go okay does the what's the
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evidence so the evidence here is not a
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leak from AMD it's a leak from a benchmark database so
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that that can be credible or it can be
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non-credible because some benchmarks it's just a matter of like editing a
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text string somewhere and you can make a product show up as though it is
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something else whereas other benchmarks especially ones where the publisher in
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particular wouldn't really have any reason
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to any reason to act like it's something
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that it's not um this this can be an
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excellent way of um of figuring out that
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yes that is indeed pretty credible so for example a leaked CPUs
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screenshot maybe I wouldn't put too much stock in it can you validate on CPU z a
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validated CPU Z screenshot where the
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processor ID shows up as Intel engineering sample whatever whatever
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code name usually those are pretty credible okay number two is
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timing timing is huge so AMD is figuring
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like the the old quote if I recall correct correctly you'll have to forgive
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me AMD has changed the story a number of times on this but the old quote was that
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they would ship Zen in late 2016 we are now getting towards well
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we're well into the second half of 2016 however they did say that it slipped and
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should be shipping sometime in early
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2017 the timing for this leak is perfect
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because don't imagine for a second that a motherboard maker remember this is a
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new CPU and a new chipset this isn't a micro code update for existing
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motherboards and chipsets because it's been like what 5 years that will make no
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sense at this point exactly we are getting a new socket socket am4 we are
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getting a new chipset with support for ddr4 finally uh support for PCI Express
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3.0 finally I mean I mean AMD has shipped multiple generations of graphics
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cards that support PCI Express
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technology that their CPUs and motherboards do not and even if you
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aren't um even if you're running like sort of the middle of the road or even a
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high-end GPU that's not going to saturate a pcie2 lane it also means you
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can't take advantage of like the new storage options as well if you're running an older PCI revision that's
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right so basically the timing is pretty good don't imagine for a second that
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motherboard makers don't have some of the first working silicon in their Labs
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so they can start to make sure that their motherboards work because AMD
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again this is a new platform AMD cannot launch a CPU until the motherboards are
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not only completed in the design stage of things but are actually tested and
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validated mass produced packaged and
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shipped otherwise you might as well just hang the CPUs on your Christmas tree
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with that said okay this kind of a funny funny thing AMD has done that before
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they have launched CPUs before the motherboards were available to retail
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yeah yeah I don't I don't remember which one it was but basically it was it wasn't a huge delay it was like a couple
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of days but like the CPUs were in stock you could build some hype that way I
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guess almost like pre-ordering a game I guess so pre-ordering A game except it's
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a game that you also need to buy like like a special controller for and then
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you have to pay shipping on the order separately so like Guitar Hero but to
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another degree yeah just ordering like ordering like a Guitar Hero like disc
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library and then not having the plastic guitar yet exactly exactly okay
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so so basically what I'm trying to say oh yeah so consideration number three is
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um what kind of performance we're seeing out of it an early leak that indicates
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that Zen at $200 is going to crap all
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over the 6950x is
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probably designed by some AMD Fanboy
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somewhere who wants people to be hyped up about AMD that's it doesn't have much
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credibility whereas this rumor looks
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pretty solid
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so let's get through this blah blah blah okay so the benchmarks so first of
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all and this is another important disclaimer the benchmarks are of an engineering sample and may not be
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entirely representative of the retail product with that said the product
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development timelines on things like CPUs are so long that if motherboard
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manufacturers and presumably that's that's where this ultimately came from
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at some point uh but if motherboard manufacturers or anyone else who has
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their hands on motherboards and CPUs
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um has silicon that they're actually using to validate anything it's probably
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pretty far along like there are sometimes very early chips that are
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clocked much much lower than the eventual retail ones end up being but
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that's earlier on in the development process where there's still time to like
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tape it out again for example I don't think AMD is looking at if they're going
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to be launching the chip sometime in the next know 3 to 6 months actually okay
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maybe but that would be very tight like I don't think we're going to see
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anything that's dramatically different from what's here maybe some tweak clock
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speeds maybe this is a lower-end skew hard to say um it was tested with an
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unnamed motherboard and an rx480 graphics card and the 1080p average
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frame rates and Ashes of the singularity showed 58 FPS for the Zen engineering
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sample compared to 65.4 on an Intel Core
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i74790 and 52. . 6 on a
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4670k so it's currently clocked at 2.8 GHz base 3.2 GHz boost and the
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benchmarks have since been pulled down by the
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source so AMD Zen are you still hyped well I
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mean okay so I I Feel Like The Benchmark results are probably so aots is a is is
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it CPU bound at all I feel like it might be there there there's some CPU yeah so
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so we have a chip like on like a 14 nmet
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process and I know there's like a lot more to it than just the transistor size
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but it's what Intel is currently using as well so it's it's been such a long
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time since 2011 since we got anything new from them is in terms of
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architecture so it's also been completely redesigned
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uh by the team that was led by Jim Keller who has actually since moved on
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to Tesla which is sort of a shame although AMD says that the groundwork
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has been laid for not only Zen but improvements upon Zen over the next
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couple of years though my concern then if I were say for example an AMD
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investor or an AMD fan would be well gee
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isn't that exactly what happened with the Athlon 64 Jim Keller led the team that designed
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it and you iterated on it after he left and then just kind of kept iterating on
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it after he left and that was sort of all we had for the next I don't know 10
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years um but uh sorry let's let's get this
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let's get this straw poll up so I just posted a straw poll are you guys still
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amped for Zen let's see the results here
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boom 45% of you saying
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yes with 9% of you saying no and 45% of
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you saying you never were so basically in a nutshell this has not really
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dampened the spirits of anyone who was
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legitimately excited about Zen in the first place and you know what I am
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actually in the same camp on this because I don't need AMD to come back
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Athlon 64 style um and take the
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performance crown that is actually not what we need at all because at the
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performance Crown level is not where Intel has been stagnant you look back at
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the last three or four generations they've given us the
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3960x the first six core
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consumer uh but they gave us a six core consumer okay the generation after that
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they gave us a six core consumer for a little over half the price of the
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previous one and a faster six core in the
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4960x the year after that they bumped
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the core count and they drove pricing of six cores no wait no that 5820 was still
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a hold on yeah 5820k was still a six core if I recall correctly right it just
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it just has fewer PCI Lanes than some of the other ones do that's right 28 PCI
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Express Lanes versus 40 so at the
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Enthusiast level okay we got an eight core we still got a cheaper six core and
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we got an even cheaper six core but with few PCI elans which quite frankly for
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consumers is completely irrelevant you can quote me on that especially these
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days with the SLI limitations that's right and then and I mean even in the
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previous days when the SLI wasn't limited but you shouldn't have been doing it anyway yeah it's still scaled
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horribly so just why exactly and then in
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the latest generation we got a 10 core at the top range which is sort of more
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of a moving the bar of the top range and less of delivering us a 10 core for what
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used to be yeah exactly but then we still get eight
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and six cores for and I think in particular the 6800k is a pretty
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compelling skew on the Enthusiast platform you get six cores really high
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clock speeds and you get overclocking
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and there okay it was the same thing that we said in our review I think I
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think it's because the retails for like what 350 somewhere in that bar Park so a
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little higher I think so but it's not ridiculous yeah it's it's doable it's
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not $1,000 or $1,700 it's it's not completely outlandish yeah so actually
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at the performance Crown end of things
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Intel hasn't been sitting on ass to quite the same
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degree with that said what they have
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done is they have ramped up pricing in
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the performance Crown Halo tier and the
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reason you can ramp up pricing of your Halo tier products is not necessarily
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because there isn't a competitor who also releasing Halo tier products at a
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lower price in fact if they both had
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Halo tier products you can bet that they would both be selling a CPUs for $1,000
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a pop in fact it's happened Everyone likes to treat AMD like they're these
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like Good Guys champions of you know cheap CPUs for consumers they are not
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it's about strategy like what Market segment are you going to Target that's
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right you go back far enough AMD introduced the Thousand Enthusiast
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processor they started this thing and people forget that so so that's not the
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problem the problem is that Intel has the luxury of holding not only the
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performance Crown but also the
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mainstream Enthusiast segment where AMD
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is only really competing in the very
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low-end range with their apus and in the
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desperate AMD Fanboy range with their FX
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CPUs that's all AMD really has so
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because Intel is not putting any pressure on their Enthusiast processors
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by continuing to sell us quad cores for an
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entire decade an entire decade Intel has
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said quadcore is enough for the mainstream and you know what they're probably right but that isn't the point
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of what I'm saying the point is they are not giving us the other stuff because
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they don't have to because the only one putting pressure on the Enthusiast
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making us do a cost per performance per core value calculation on the Enthusiast
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chips is Intel and they're going no yeah
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that's how much a six core costs because if you want to spend less all you can
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get a quad core and you can argue till you're blue in the face about amds six
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cores and eight cores but let's get real performance matters how many cores you
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write on the side of the Box doesn't matter and Intel's 8 cores have nothing
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to do or rather AMD's eight cores have nothing to do with Intel's 8 cores
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they're not they're not the same thing yeah they're not even comparable in terms of like single threaded and all
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that so no they're not even yeah
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yeah it's it's not even it's not even a conversation so am I amped for Zen
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knowing that Zen is not necessarily going to go toe-to-toe with the 6700k
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that's not the point of Zen absolutely I Ed exactly if Zen gives us great
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performance at 200 bucks then mission
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accomplished AMD will have effectively dramatically increased their average
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selling price if they can move a bunch of new generation FX whatever it is they
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end up calling them FX Zen CPUs I actually don't know what the branding is
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going to be for them but if they can move a whack ton of those it'll drive up
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AMD's asps that's their average sell price it will improve AMD's
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profitability give them money to spend on R&D which they have been sorely
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lacking and maybe give them a shot to come back with another punch after Zen
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that really puts some pressure on Intel in the meantime giving people who want
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to buy a high performance value computer
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a legitimate option because after the $200 Mark even like closer to 230 bucks
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diminishing returns yeah Intel really starts to to lock you down they kind of
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go okay yeah we're going to really start to ramp down clock speed I actually did a lot of analysis on Intel's lineup for
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a video that I worked on recently called Which Intel CPU should I buy um don't
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worry there will be an AMD followup but I'm waiting for Zen because right now
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the answer is a cheap Apu if you want a cheap machine that runs an APU um
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so I did a lot of research and you start to get into dual cores really quickly
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down at the bottom of Intel's lineup and the reality of it is when it comes to
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cost of the Silicon there is no real reason that Intel should still be
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shipping a dual core at least not over
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$100 so I would love for Zen to bring
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the fight to Intel in that mainstream segment in a real meaningful way in much
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the same way that rx480 has been a Smash Hit at the $200 to $250 price Point even
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though AMD doesn't have an answer for anything above that yeah it's a very
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similar strategy you know um because rx48 is not designed they're not
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targeting like the GTX 1080 they're targeting the middle of the market and
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it looks like they're going to be doing the same thing with Zen which makes a lot of sense I think people are kind of
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tired of uh being quote unquote trapped in you know Intel's ecosystem because if
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you want like a modern CPU they're kind of your only option and and in addition
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to paying like that sort of extra you know Intel tax if you will on just just
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like you were talking about so yeah and I mean there's more to there's more to
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Modern than just the CPU because I would even make the argument that you know you
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could buy used Intel Hardware you could go grab a
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3770k overclock that still a really good processor great processor and you know
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if you want to go back to the Enthusiast platform ones assuming you can find a
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board and I talk about this in my what CPU should I buy video but assuming you
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can find a board uh you can go back to something like a 3960x mhm you can get
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those on Amazon for like 180 200 bucks I saw them used yeah and I haven't checked
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out Ebay lately but like yeah you can get like a six core for a pretty good value overclock the snot out of that
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thing the problem is the platform so you're going to be missing a lot of usb3
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ports you're going to be missing USB 3.1 10 gigabit for sure you're going to be
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missing m.2 you're going to be missing um things that require BIOS level
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support even though the hardware is there so something like an NVMe SSD that
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goes into a PCI E slot you're not going to have support for that be bottleneck
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by that by the inter by the board yeah yep well not even just that um the
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motherboard manufacturer has to specifically enable it yeah they have to
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add bio support for it and let's face it
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you show me a motherboard manufacturer that cares about their motherboards
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after the product cycle is over and I
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will show you an incredulous face like this I like to say I'll put a unicorn in
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your driveway that's good too yeah I'll put a unicorn in your incredulous face
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bam all right
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so uh let's see what are people saying
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they're saying they have expansion slots so it's not quite that is a good point
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yeah but there's some stuff that you will not get with an expansion slot
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Thunderbolt comes to mind Thunderbolt must have support at the board level
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before you can add an expansion card to it even though some other boards do
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support expansion cards um notably the Rampage 5 extreme that I have in my
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personal rig doesn't have it on board but there's a header like a data header
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that you can plug in this specific expansion card and that specifically
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will work native support just seems to play more nicely with things overall
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that's right so like I I know like on the upcoming um the KB Lake from Intel
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is going to have native I think um USB
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3.1 perhaps without needing like an addin chip I think KB Lake was also
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going to add uh Thunderbolt Thunderbolt 3 that that's what it might both no I
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think I think you're right actually it was one or the other it had three in it I just remember that but yeah all
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right um so the flash memory Summit this is sort of a big deal if you're into if
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you're into that kind of thing the original article here is from n Gadget
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have you not been able to load this up yet I have two factors so my phone yeah
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just go get it okay yeah that's fine don't worry don't worry I'm I'm all good
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I'm all good in the hood seagate's new 60 terabyte SSD
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dwarfs others on the market and we're
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talking both in terms of the capacity and in terms of the actual physical size
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Now seat's 60 TB SSD that they showed
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off is not the first 3 and a half in SSD
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that I've ever seen in fact let's see if I can find a picture of it the ocz
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Colossus with a whopping two star rating
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over on newegg.ca here the ocz Colossus
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took a similar approach back in oh man
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when was this like around 2013 2012
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something something like that I want to say where they just went to a three and
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a half inch form factor solely so that they could stuff more flash chips onto a
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larger PCB in order to ship a capacity that otherwise wasn't possible the
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problem with the Colossus and the reason that you're not going to be buying one
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of Cate 60 terab ssds unless you are I actually have no idea who the
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customers are for these no idea video production companies maybe no I don't
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think I'm kidding I don't think so like who needs 60 terab of solid state
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storage and doesn't already have like like on a single Drive okay yeah on a
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single drive with a sass interface I mean the cheap way the the incredibly
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cheap response here would be no one will ever need more than 64 KB of RAM but you
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make I said it was a cheap response you make a good point that is a cheap
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response especially the fact that it's on a single drive over a well okay it's
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a dual interface drive but over over over just a dual SAS interface
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instead of being like 60 terab of flash storage in like a ginormous server that
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has oodles and oodles of read and WR bandwidth and can handle hundreds and
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hundreds of thousands of iops to like this you know Ballin interface thing
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anyway so the problem that they're going to run into is the same one as before it's a lot of capacity it's a single
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interface still so you're not really getting a performance benefit for the
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size and last but not least there is not really a cost benefit because you still
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have to buy all of those flash d so
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let's go ahead and see if we can find the
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uh let's see where where is it blah blah
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blah how many how many how many packages
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can't remember it was something ridiculous and unfortunately this
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version of the article doesn't have that information there was a different one
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that I was looking at when I was just like tooling around reading about this
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but uh blah blah blah wow this is great
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the actual the actual marketing line for
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this is reach one pyte of storage with
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only 17
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drives wow
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fantastic um right now it is only a demo unit in
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fact we have reached out to Seagate asking if they can get us a unit just
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for like another an episode of of holy
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[ __ ] or something like that cuz this thing's going to cost like if I had to
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guess I'd say it's going to cost over2 $5,000 for sure probably more depending
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on who exactly the target is because the performance of it is shockingly not that
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bad again this is something that was covered in the other article I was looking at and unfortunately isn't in
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this one um 4 terabytes per watt of
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power consumption that's fantastic uh
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ultra dense n technology from Micron and
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uses a unique approach where Seagate is actually still using a single controller
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to access all of the nand flash so then
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they're just using what are effectively kind of like like switch switch
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technology to allow each uh like each
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channel of the controller to access many many many more flash dies than they
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otherwise would prary controller they developed or is it something else well
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cate's been investing very very heavily
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in in Flash even though they don't actually Fab anything as I recall um so
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yeah it wouldn't surprise me and they I mean they acquired um they acquired LSi
27:58
while back yeah more companies seem to be getting involved and didn't WD um
28:01
start um trying to get involved with with nand not yeah they purchased s disc
28:06
or maybe that through no I I think that
28:09
happened I remember hearing about it but I could be wrong uh it said no complet
28:14
2016 completes the ex so a couple month like three months ago they they finished
28:17
up with that yep okay all right so I guess that's pretty
28:21
much all there is to it there's a 60 terabyte SSD which is four times the
28:25
capacity of the next leading SSD Samsung's PM whatever it's called PM
28:33
1633a which is a 15 TB SSD we had
28:36
actually reached out to Samsung that's in a 2 and a half inch form factor though by the way we had actually
28:40
reached out to Samsung about getting us one of those and they were they were not
28:43
able to do so nor did they even reply to our emails I actually I actually wanted
28:48
it for a specific project I wanted it for the world's most expensive
28:52
PlayStation 4 a water cooled PlayStation 4 with you
28:56
know 15 terabytes of solid state storage I thought that' be pretty cool but no
29:02
all right also from The Flash Summit tashiba and the original article here is
29:06
from the register. co.uk to sheba's an
29:10
even higher capacity
29:13
SSD quad level cell uh yes I'm assuming
29:17
that's what the Q stands for yeah so four bits per cell which we should
29:21
probably explain a little bit um there there's a fastest Possible episode about
29:25
bits per sale why don't you do that explanation I been doing a lot of talking I'm going to go get a drink of
29:30
water you explain why QC flash okay it's been a while since I've looked at this
29:36
but the gist of it is that so if you are buying an SSD usually what you'll see on
29:41
the product page is it'll indicate whether the SSD is SLC mlc or TLC and
29:48
what that refers to is how many bits of data each little memory cell um inside
29:53
the Nan flash can hold so an SLC Drive
29:56
Can Only Hold one bit per cell whereas a TLC Drive can hold three and more sounds
30:03
better as far as um it just more obviously sounds better but uh the
30:06
capacity but as far as capacity sounds better but um usually TLC drives they
30:12
tend to be um a little bit slower performance- wise um so this is a new Q
30:19
qlc drive that holds four bits per cell so we might be able to see some really
30:23
really good capacities with it and indeed they're teasing they this this I
30:27
guess it's a prototype but they're teasing it as being 100 terab so there's
30:31
not a whole lot that's been confirmed right now on this it looks like it's all talk um the the qlc technology was also
30:38
released very recently um it looks like it would be a 3D SSD so um I guess the
30:44
company that's most famous for this is Samsung because they marketed their um
30:47
3D their 3D um ssds pretty heavily we
30:50
instead of having the chips all on one plane they're actually stacked like so
30:55
so it'll increase uh the data density um so we're looking at a 3D SSD with um
31:00
PCIe gen 3 interface so it's not SATA it's PCI Express um over 100 terab of
31:06
capacity and oh high L this um 3 gabes a
31:09
second uh sequ sequential read and 1 Gaby per second um sequential right um
31:14
three gigabytes per second yeah that's that's quite a bit more than like
31:18
Samsung has their 950 which is I think their their highest in thing right now
31:22
that I can find but um three I think is almost a whole gig higher than that if
31:26
my memory serves me correctly yeah and it's not even NVMe either because this
31:30
is uh let's see what like what interface is it even using uh blah blah blah blah
31:36
blah blah blah blah blah well that's that's a big deal isn't it because um
31:40
more bits per cell usually means it's a bit slower yeah so yeah but I mean so
31:45
but this is but because it's it's 3D and it's in vme so so there's a couple of
31:50
things to bear in mind here so you've got a lot of Nan dies you have many many
31:56
many many many flash chips that you can
32:00
read from and you can write too so assuming your controller isn't a
32:03
bottleneck assuming you have a sophisticated enough controller you can
32:06
do these massive throughput numbers MH
32:10
even though we're talking qlc flash
32:14
which it surprises me that they're putting this in an Enterprise product
32:17
first quite frankly well I think um it seems to be focused more on kind of like
32:21
playing the copy paste game or moving huge files around because also you look
32:25
at the random read and write which is measured in iOS is only 50,000 and
32:29
14,000 for read write respectively and you it's extremely easy to find very
32:34
affordable consumer level SATA SSD I
32:37
think SATA ssds yeah SATA ssds that have numbers way above that so it see it
32:42
seems to be more suited for a media Farm where you're moving around huge files
32:46
where you get those sorts of like really good speeds like something that I would even okay so here again like here's
32:51
something I would wonder are you even better off let's say you were um you
32:56
were one of one of Netflix's uh one of Netflix's things
33:00
where they want to install their Hardware in an isp's um space MH right
33:05
so so I the term is escaping me but it's
33:10
it's Friday okay it's Friday it's been a
33:13
long week for everyone so if I was
33:16
Netflix the idea is I want to use as little rack space as possible I want to
33:20
store as many movies as I can and I want
33:24
to serve as many customers without unnecessary and buffering as I can so
33:31
very high-capacity drives look like well hey that might be a very very very good
33:35
ideah mhm except that by the time you
33:38
are starting to hit these drives with a lot of random operations are they even
33:43
any better off than mechanical well couldn't you split your workload then
33:46
like like let's say just just accesses to your web page or things like
33:51
validating a login could couldn't you do that with like something faster on the
33:56
random and then just have the do nothing but um HST videos and then if
34:01
you were going to do that if you're going to split the workload anyway then
34:04
why don't you just have why don't you spread out this data over more drives so
34:08
that people are less likely to be trying to hit the same thing at the same time
34:12
well you you could you could just like buy a bunch of these and array them
34:16
together but then that would get very expensive probably so this is kind of
34:20
scary um the qlc drive would have a 3
34:24
pyte to 6 pyte workload over its lifetime
34:30
so what does that workload over its
34:33
lifetime what that sounds like to me is
34:36
that you could only write this drive and correct me if I'm wrong somewhere
34:40
between 30 to 60 times okay so a paby it's a th TB so so like so a million
34:47
gigabytes yeah would be a petabyte yeah yeah that actually you think of
34:52
something like Netflix that so it seems like you would have to get a lot of
34:55
these so well no so you're right I mean they only change
35:00
their Library every once in a while so as long as they're smart about how they
35:03
utilize them maybe it helps oh no okay
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denovo's anti-tampering
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technology it was the crack was created by a Bulgarian hacker called VY vxy vxy
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vxy can you do a Bulgarian accent I have no idea what they sound like in Bulgaria
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all right right uh well he's also working on a crack for Just Cause 3
40:01
along with several other recent denuvo titles the crack exploits a bug in Steam
40:07
which allows users to play the full game while steam thinks the game is a free
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demo version it appears as though is
40:14
given that this is a steam steam exploit uh that it could be fixed with a steam
40:18
update so it may not be functional for
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long so there you have it so you will
40:25
either have to buy the game or you you will have to never update steam again
40:29
DRM versus hackers it's just like a never ending battle
40:35
mhm all right Quantum break is
40:38
officially coming to steam this is in our rapid fire news topics let's go
40:42
ahead and drop that in the twitch chat in case you guys are sort of curious
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about it at all let's go ah the original article here is from overclock 3d.
40:52
net I will go ahead and go back to my
40:55
thing so basically it's coming September 14th 2016 so in about a month it this
41:01
will end its exclusivity in the Windows store I would love to say that I think
41:06
this is because Microsoft just has the best interests of Gamers at heart and
41:11
wants to support a more open ecosystem in fact they've even made some
41:14
statements that would seem to support that kind of do not walk on the green
41:18
screen second person I've caught doing that today we're going to have to
41:23
repaint that whole thing that is a hassle that is a royal hassle hash fired
41:29
hash no he's not fired I'm just if he does it again he might
41:37
be oh man anyway sorry uh it includes
41:41
all the updates that are available in the Windows 10 store version will
41:44
support directx11 and will not be a universal Windows platform game meaning
41:49
that any of the limitations that come with that whether they're related to benchmarking multi-GPU or whatever the
41:54
case may be frame rate limits will not be imposed on
42:00
it I'm still a little bit surprised that games that there are Windows App Store
42:05
no sorry not Windows App Store just Windows store exclusive games yeah it
42:10
surprises me a little bit by the time it SNS in for you my hope is that it will
42:15
be over yeah there you go but then again they've demonstrated as they did with
42:19
games for Windows Live that they're willing to stick with a terrible thing for an awful long time before giving up
42:24
that's kind of human nature I guess so yeah well this thing is basically on
42:28
fire but let's stick with it anyway yeah pretty
42:32
much all right let's go ahead and uh oh
42:36
this is kind of fun so the first commercial Mission To The Moon approved
42:40
for Florida company Moon Express I
42:44
already love the name of their company it sounds like a Planet Express from
42:48
furama yeah really like a delivery service to the moon I I have to I have
42:53
to wonder if it's intentional like I
42:56
hope it's intentional that's freaking awesome so the US
42:59
government has given the goad to launch the first commercial mission to the moon
43:04
so the moon Express CEO and co-founder said it's a huge milestone for us not
43:10
quite as catchy as one small step for man one large whatever leap giant giant
43:15
leap thank you for mankind not quite as catchy as that but maybe he didn't have
43:20
quite as long to write it given that he didn't sit in a spacecraft for you know
43:24
a long time before he got there you know I wonder I wonder what the story is
43:28
behind that I'm sure I'm sure it's been talked about like whether he whether it was spontaneous or whether he like
43:33
thought about it and planned it it had to require at least a few minutes of
43:37
pre-planning I mean it's frustrating
43:41
because you're a sports fan so you'll be able to relate to this it's frustrating
43:45
because the greatest moments in sports
43:49
are sometimes made as much by the
43:53
commentator as they are by the athlete oh yeah because they put it the
43:57
appropriate context they get you amped up for it they they they make the moment
44:04
something that goes beyond a fantastic
44:07
athletic feat and something that becomes culturally iconic because you can like
44:12
you can okay so the uh the the the Bobby
44:15
or goal mhm it's amazing to watch but with that
44:22
with that commentation commentary commentation commentary commentary thank
44:26
you with that commentary it's something that like like is like moving to a to a
44:31
hockey fan anyway some most people wouldn't care
44:35
um doesn't it drive you crazy when you
44:39
can tell that they had a sheet of paper on in front of them with like epic
44:46
moment quotes that they've been thinking up over the last month and they just say
44:49
one oh you you can always tell when it's like oh you were staying up late at
44:53
night last week just trying to think of this stuff and now you have your moment
44:58
American commentators are the worst I'm
45:01
sorry in what regard though you could be right depending on doing
45:06
that I notice it so much less on Canadian broadcasts the contrived fake
45:14
nonsense on a big game win especially
45:17
when it's like not a close game like when when the when the outcome has
45:22
basically been decided since the you know middle of the second period or
45:26
beginning yeah where they've got like this quote
45:31
that they were obviously saving that makes it sound like all Epic like an
45:34
epic Triumph when it was just kind of a
45:38
a Beatdown I've SE I've actually seen um
45:41
I don't disagree with you but I have seen it um in other countries as well
45:44
like if I'm watching the like Premier League in English soccer there could be
45:48
a game put away by halftime and then you know the announcer will go on in this
45:53
golf announcer style drone for the second 45 minutes and then when the
45:56
final goes and there it is and I'm just like okay like so I I your point is very
46:02
well taken though I understand what you're saying um all right so back to
46:06
back to going to the Moon um the company has raised more than $30 million so far
46:11
and plan to unveil their MX 1e Lander at
46:14
the Cape caraval Air Station the first launch is targeted for late
46:18
2017 this is kind of funny the FAA has
46:22
not actually issued a launch license yet um and that will be considered
46:26
separately from the itself so while they do have permission to travel between
46:31
Earth's stratosphere and the moon and land there they do not have permission
46:35
to actually what which layer of the atmosphere does the faa's jurisdiction
46:39
end I actually don't I don't know either
46:42
so I don't know if you ask the FAA maybe it never ends you know what it wouldn't
46:48
surprise me all
46:53
right uh what else we got oh the Kansas thing I thought was pretty okay let's
46:57
move on to that where is that oh where is that indeed I saw it Kansas farm sues
47:03
Max Mind Over quote massive IP glitch
47:08
unquote so let's go ahead I'll pull up the original article from The Washington
47:11
Post you want to go ahead and uh get get us going on this yeah so this is pretty
47:15
nuts so maxmind is a company out of
47:19
walan Massachusetts actually ride across the river from from where I lived uh
47:22
when I was in law school and they are a company that maps IP addresses to
47:27
geographical areas now what they did is
47:30
um they had one one point that they considered the default center of the US
47:36
so um and this was and therefore center of the universe exactly hash hashtag
47:42
Canadian commentary okay so and basically what
47:46
this is what the geographic center of of a of a country or anything else is is
47:51
suppose you had um a cardboard cutout shaped exactly like the US and you
47:55
balanced it on a pin the geographic center is where it would bounce like
47:59
where the pin would be and this happened to be very close to these folks folks'
48:04
house that lived in Kansas and so what ended up happening is all this IP
48:09
traffic was being mapped back to
48:12
essentially their front yard and what ended up happening was for years they
48:17
had cops showing up at their door at all hours accusing them of being involved in
48:23
all sorts of crime or or whatever other Shenanigans and there were just this
48:26
like random elderly couple that lived on the farm or something had no idea what
48:30
was going on so
48:34
basically Max mind is responsible for mapping IP addresses and they used this
48:41
this geographical center as the default
48:45
location for any us-based IP address MH
48:49
so let's say that you know um oh man
48:53
like what even would be an example of something that didn't have a proper IP
48:56
address and they just default like why would they even be doing this I I I'm it
49:02
was a little bit unclear from the story honestly maybe if someone was like you
49:05
know using a VPN but even then like so sometimes when mapping IPS apparently
49:10
they are able to only determine the country of origin that's it yeah okay so
49:14
there it is so so if all all they know is oh you're somewhere in the United
49:18
States you get mapped to this random place in Kansas I mean these are some of
49:22
the complaints that this poor family has been dealing with um they've been
49:27
accused of interrupting email service for customers of a certain small
49:31
business they've been accused of harboring a stolen vehicle harboring
49:35
runaway children and keeping girls in the house to make pornographic films I
49:40
mean I really like how that last one was in quotation marks
49:44
but yeah so so it says um ambulances
49:47
have appeared to prepare to save suicidal persons FBI agents Federal
49:52
Marshals IRS collectors and other law enforcement officers have appeared on
49:55
their doorsteps as all hours of the day and night and even one random morning a
49:59
broken toilet was left in their driveway without explanation all right so max
50:04
mind has since changed their default
50:08
location in the US to the center of a lake west of
50:12
Witchita um but in the meantime the Arnolds have filed a lawsuit against
50:16
macm Max M seeking compensatory and punitive damages in excess of $775,000
50:21
can I make a comment on that yes so the reason they chose that dollar amount um
50:25
in excess of $5,000 so here's the reason for this um super quick crash course in
50:30
jurisdiction of American law so um they followed the case in federal court and
50:36
if you want to file something in federal court in the US there's two require
50:39
there you can do it in one of two ways one is if it involves a federal question
50:43
or a federal law but the other is if there's what's called diversity
50:47
assistantship where is the two parties in this case the old couple and maxide
50:51
or from two different states and they are and the amount in controversy is
50:55
above $755,000 so that's why the there's a sort of
50:59
vague in excess we want in excess of 75
51:02
grand like who knows how much the actual amount they'll get will be but that is
51:07
just sort of like a venue selection trick to get them into federal court as
51:11
opposed to state court so oh I see okay
51:14
makes sense yeah let's move on to a pretty important rumor so the original
51:19
post here is actually from the lineus tech tips Forum because I think uh I
51:23
think they are quickly being wiped out
51:27
and I'm not going to say anything about this because I may or may not actually
51:33
have real information um but basically here
51:37
there's an imer post of what appears to
51:41
be I'm going to read it word for word it
51:45
is this imer post that is the entire
51:48
that is the entire source of of everything that I'm saying it appears to
51:52
be an ASUS Rog stricks g752 vm- GC 0 33t
51:57
7.3 in uh what seems to be a laptop of
52:00
some sort this this potentially completely
52:05
photoshopped page um says that it oh
52:09
okay it seems to be a laptop because it has a core i76700hq processor word next to this
52:15
picture of what appears to be a laptop so I guess the implication being that
52:19
one of those is inside one of those um
52:22
ddr4 8 gig RAM 256 GB s s SDM Period 2
52:29
uh 1tb 72000 RPM something something
52:33
that's a word in a language that I don't understand norian NVIDIA GeForce GTX
52:38
10606gb hm so the implication
52:44
is that a laptop with a
52:48
gtx1060
52:51
6gb could potentially be a thing for uh
52:57
19,999 of whatever the devil these are Norwegian Crone is that is that right I
53:02
I think that's what it said I wish I wish Luke were here because Luke is very
53:06
good at Scandinavian currency we were having a discussion about this the other
53:09
day that's an interesting Talent don't worry about
53:14
it um so an interesting actually no I'm
53:17
not going to point out anything that's interesting about it there were also some uh let's see if any of the other
53:22
listings are still are still live it looks like this stuff is being pulled
53:26
down so all the links that were originally given for
53:30
expert. are Y no NOP not I don't know
53:36
what any of this is but it definitely isn't that
53:39
so H very very interesting very
53:43
interesting I like Scandinavian letters where is Luke anyway
53:49
Britain that's as much information as I have that's all the information I have
53:54
too all right self diving Tesla original
53:57
article here is from the telegraph.co.uk saves a man's life by steering him to
54:03
the hospital so this opens up an okay let's
54:07
go through the basics the basics of the story first uh so original article from
54:12
Telegraph oh I think I already said that uh originally posted by fake ZZ on the
54:17
Forum so it his Tesla Model X is credited with having helped save an
54:21
American man's life after its autopilot function got him to the hospital when he
54:25
suffered a pulmonary symbolism the man's name is Joshua NE a lawyer from
54:29
Springfield Missouri he called his wife and said something was wrong that he couldn't breathe and thinking it would
54:34
be quicker than pulling over to call an ambulance he set the autopilot
54:37
autonomous function of the Tesla Model X he just got the car a few weeks before
54:42
this happened he doesn't remember much after he set the mode as the car drove
54:45
him over 20 miles to
54:49
Branson he managed to steer the car the last mile or so between the motorway and
54:53
the hospital so this is an interesting
54:57
debate mhm how is it that we consider Tesla's
55:03
autopilot record because a couple people
55:06
have died now do they get one in the bank if
55:12
autopilot Saves a Life Is that how it is that how it works like life saved versus
55:16
lives taken I don't know I'm not making the rules for this I'm just asking
55:24
questions we're going to straw pull this friends we have got a straw pull this go
55:29
ahead hit me I mean I I
55:33
mean I feel like this was inevitable
55:37
when you have when the design when whoever's idea this was first said hey
55:42
why don't we try to make a self-driving car but I I don't know how how do you
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measure something like this whether or not like this is a good or bad thing
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because okay I'll say this so how much
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testing has been done versus death rate
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because people who just drive regular cars both kill themselves and other
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people all the time yeah so even though
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it's easy to say oh you can't trust these computers to drive cars if their
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fatality rate is still much lower than you know some random person behind the
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wheel but you're you're okay the problem
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though is that you're approaching this from a very
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um a very scientific standpoint like a
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purely fact-based standpoint and the reality of it is even
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for even for people who care more about facts than feelings
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mhm let's say it was you know uh your
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mom MH who died in a self-driving car do
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you care that the odds were better for
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her like that that the overall odds like fewer people would die if we were all in
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self-driving cars do you care your mom's dead M and maybe wouldn't have been dead
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if she had been operating the steering wheel like that's something to consider
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is that while it's easy to kind of go oh the greater good and this and that that
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doesn't change that you're going to be dealing with people who are inherently
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emotionally distraught and very upset
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and prepared to make a very loud noise about why self-driving cars are are bad
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if someone close to them dies in one or is seriously injured in one whereas we
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all accept just because of because we've
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all been born into a world where cars operated by people are the norm we all
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accept the risks that come along with a
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manually operated car people also like to feel like they're in control which is
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why people tend to be more afraid of flying than they are of driving even
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though flying is statistically much safer you have a feeling of not being in control and if something goes wrong
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there's nothing you can do about it that's right and I would also make the argument that flying is a much more
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terrifying way to die because there I
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can think of very few scenarios where you won't have an awful lot of time to think about
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it yeah and you just like plummet for quite a while I I don't know what the
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terminal velocity of a human being is but it's not that high yeah so no it's
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not so we've got 65% of you saying yes
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we can evaluate autopilot systems on the on the bank system well to be fair in
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one out you come out net even when these start becoming more mainstream I feel
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like this is how we're going to make decisions on them like this is how
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governments are going to regulate them this is the way that companies are going
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to be approaching safety it's so it's ultimately going to affect like how
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people use them
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so I don't know I just I'm I'm wondering
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with the whole you know the marsh of progress and all that like I'm wondering
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how much voices of people um that oh I
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lost a loved one in a in a self-driving
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car accident and maybe I wouldn't have had they actually been controlling the
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car I wonder if those vo will just kind voices will just end up being lost in
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the conversation because ultimately I think we're going to make decisions based on
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more what are the numbers I don't know I mean the thing is is that it's pretty
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hard to lose a voice in the conversation these days with social media being what
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it is that's true yeah I mean people can you know with through amplification
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factors like Twitter and read Tak just one viral incident and then suddenly the
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conversation changes you know at least a little bit so and at the end of the day
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I mean any politician is at the mercy of the voters so
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whatever they can do quietly behind closed doors that is something that
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their voters wouldn't agree with is all fine and good but as soon as something
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goes viral and there's a bunch of pressure and it looks like they might actually not get reelected if you're a
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career politician not getting re-elected is like getting fired effectively
59:59
exactly or like or you know if you're let's say a senator and you have to go
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back to being the mayor of you know three sticks Nebraska then you know
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that's it's like getting a huge demotion M um with and with the incumbency
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advantage it does become a career I think I don't know how it is in Canada but like in the US House incumbency
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success rate in election is like over 90% like most of these people were there
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for a long time so basically we're looking at something that is potentially
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very emotional and um and can be driven
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by fear absolutely so I don't know yeah I mean because yeah I mean how many self
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or like autonomous vehicles other than cars are there there still really aren't
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all that many like most Metro systems and train systems they have a human
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conductor or or or a human driver you know sky has one I think there might be
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a remote controller though I'm actually not sure as slow as a Sky Train is I don't see how it matters
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but okay if you're going to hate on the sky Train hate on the sky train right
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okay the sky Train doesn't go
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anywhere it covers such a tiny fraction
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of the Greater Vancouver area that it's basically
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irrelevant our Master Trans in North Carolina's a joke too I'm not trying to
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pick on Vancouver it's it's just it's bad so all right well speaking of things
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that are bad the end of the
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show is bad because the show's ending
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not because the show's bad maybe the show was bad well that that
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would make if it was a bad if it was a bad show it would be good at sending so
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yes maybe I'll do a straw
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pull is the show bad or the end
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bad the show is bad hey show was bad actually leave it like that is perfect
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the end is bad this poll is
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bad all right let's find out what's bad and I did not put an option for
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Michael Jackson
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oh all right it has been a long week it's been
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a very long week I don't even know why probably because last week was a holiday
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week we're also a little bit short-handed this week yeah we're a little short-handed this week
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um what was Luke not here Brandon's out
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today MH what with people hating people hating
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they're say yeah every single every single voter is saying something's bad
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it's like look at this negativity they mostly hate your poll they mostly hate
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my poll mm I can tell you one person who doesn't hate my
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poll I'm not going to say it see you next week same bad time same bad Channel
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yeah always