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and there's a lot of there's a lot of discussion about these because they're
very hard to get your hands on unless you have $5,000 that you want to trade
for one of these um so I've seen people saying things all the way from cuadros
can't run games to that cuadros run games better
neither of which are true well there's only one way to find out and that's why
watching the episode of holy sh uh that's going to be coming pretty
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kind of sitting here going really was that more important than starting the show on time and the answer is normally
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but we ran into a bit of a production snafu uh one of the videos that was
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dreaming of work probably that's that's my best guess he's probably looking at
camera gear that's my yeah he's probably he's probably like researching crap that
he can hang in the lighting Grid or whatever the case may be all right so
let's get this show on the road and that begins with of course after the excuses
the intro roll it
wow it's so nice having the stream work properly the only thing that doesn't
work properly is me being here on time so uh
you guys should just skip the intro and do the excuses no I already did the
excuses that's the whole point all right let's jump right into what I personally
consider to be the big news this week so
the original article here is from wccftech when I saw this I pretty much
went bananas look at that AMD Zen
engineering sample bench marks leak out
the Summit Ridge CPU is apparently faster than the Intel Cor 5
4670 in the um whatever it is yes ashes
of the singularity Benchmark
program yes my friends I just covered
for a weird grammatical slip up by pretending that the pauses were
intentional it was very convincing that's a pro tip by the way I didn't get
away with it did I when I have your job one day I'll keep that in mind okay all
right well ah show up on time and work hard
and other thing yes then profit question mark then
profit okay so let's let's talk about this a little bit first of all yes I
know the source is wccf Tech bit of a
rumor mill but sometimes they do hit on things so bit of a rumor mill I mean
it's one of those things where if you Mill enough rumors eventually you will
end up with a loaf of truth I was just
about to say loaf of Truth bread read my mind perfect perfect see we got Synergy
today all right um and there are things
that you can consider there are things that you can do to sort of vet a
particular rumor so one of them is you
can kind of go okay does the what's the
evidence so the evidence here is not a
leak from AMD it's a leak from a benchmark database so
that that can be credible or it can be
non-credible because some benchmarks it's just a matter of like editing a
text string somewhere and you can make a product show up as though it is
something else whereas other benchmarks especially ones where the publisher in
particular wouldn't really have any reason
to any reason to act like it's something
that it's not um this this can be an
excellent way of um of figuring out that
yes that is indeed pretty credible so for example a leaked CPUs
screenshot maybe I wouldn't put too much stock in it can you validate on CPU z a
validated CPU Z screenshot where the
processor ID shows up as Intel engineering sample whatever whatever
code name usually those are pretty credible okay number two is
timing timing is huge so AMD is figuring
like the the old quote if I recall correct correctly you'll have to forgive
me AMD has changed the story a number of times on this but the old quote was that
they would ship Zen in late 2016 we are now getting towards well
we're well into the second half of 2016 however they did say that it slipped and
should be shipping sometime in early
2017 the timing for this leak is perfect
because don't imagine for a second that a motherboard maker remember this is a
new CPU and a new chipset this isn't a micro code update for existing
motherboards and chipsets because it's been like what 5 years that will make no
sense at this point exactly we are getting a new socket socket am4 we are
getting a new chipset with support for ddr4 finally uh support for PCI Express
3.0 finally I mean I mean AMD has shipped multiple generations of graphics
cards that support PCI Express
technology that their CPUs and motherboards do not and even if you
aren't um even if you're running like sort of the middle of the road or even a
high-end GPU that's not going to saturate a pcie2 lane it also means you
can't take advantage of like the new storage options as well if you're running an older PCI revision that's
right so basically the timing is pretty good don't imagine for a second that
motherboard makers don't have some of the first working silicon in their Labs
so they can start to make sure that their motherboards work because AMD
again this is a new platform AMD cannot launch a CPU until the motherboards are
not only completed in the design stage of things but are actually tested and
validated mass produced packaged and
shipped otherwise you might as well just hang the CPUs on your Christmas tree
with that said okay this kind of a funny funny thing AMD has done that before
they have launched CPUs before the motherboards were available to retail
yeah yeah I don't I don't remember which one it was but basically it was it wasn't a huge delay it was like a couple
of days but like the CPUs were in stock you could build some hype that way I
guess almost like pre-ordering a game I guess so pre-ordering A game except it's
a game that you also need to buy like like a special controller for and then
you have to pay shipping on the order separately so like Guitar Hero but to
another degree yeah just ordering like ordering like a Guitar Hero like disc
library and then not having the plastic guitar yet exactly exactly okay
so so basically what I'm trying to say oh yeah so consideration number three is
um what kind of performance we're seeing out of it an early leak that indicates
that Zen at $200 is going to crap all
over the 6950x is
probably designed by some AMD Fanboy
somewhere who wants people to be hyped up about AMD that's it doesn't have much
credibility whereas this rumor looks
pretty solid
so let's get through this blah blah blah okay so the benchmarks so first of
all and this is another important disclaimer the benchmarks are of an engineering sample and may not be
entirely representative of the retail product with that said the product
development timelines on things like CPUs are so long that if motherboard
manufacturers and presumably that's that's where this ultimately came from
at some point uh but if motherboard manufacturers or anyone else who has
their hands on motherboards and CPUs
um has silicon that they're actually using to validate anything it's probably
pretty far along like there are sometimes very early chips that are
clocked much much lower than the eventual retail ones end up being but
that's earlier on in the development process where there's still time to like
tape it out again for example I don't think AMD is looking at if they're going
to be launching the chip sometime in the next know 3 to 6 months actually okay
maybe but that would be very tight like I don't think we're going to see
anything that's dramatically different from what's here maybe some tweak clock
speeds maybe this is a lower-end skew hard to say um it was tested with an
unnamed motherboard and an rx480 graphics card and the 1080p average
frame rates and Ashes of the singularity showed 58 FPS for the Zen engineering
sample compared to 65.4 on an Intel Core
i74790 and 52. . 6 on a
4670k so it's currently clocked at 2.8 GHz base 3.2 GHz boost and the
benchmarks have since been pulled down by the
source so AMD Zen are you still hyped well I
mean okay so I I Feel Like The Benchmark results are probably so aots is a is is
it CPU bound at all I feel like it might be there there there's some CPU yeah so
so we have a chip like on like a 14 nmet
process and I know there's like a lot more to it than just the transistor size
but it's what Intel is currently using as well so it's it's been such a long
time since 2011 since we got anything new from them is in terms of
architecture so it's also been completely redesigned
uh by the team that was led by Jim Keller who has actually since moved on
to Tesla which is sort of a shame although AMD says that the groundwork
has been laid for not only Zen but improvements upon Zen over the next
couple of years though my concern then if I were say for example an AMD
investor or an AMD fan would be well gee
isn't that exactly what happened with the Athlon 64 Jim Keller led the team that designed
it and you iterated on it after he left and then just kind of kept iterating on
it after he left and that was sort of all we had for the next I don't know 10
years um but uh sorry let's let's get this
let's get this straw poll up so I just posted a straw poll are you guys still
amped for Zen let's see the results here
boom 45% of you saying
yes with 9% of you saying no and 45% of
you saying you never were so basically in a nutshell this has not really
dampened the spirits of anyone who was
legitimately excited about Zen in the first place and you know what I am
actually in the same camp on this because I don't need AMD to come back
Athlon 64 style um and take the
performance crown that is actually not what we need at all because at the
performance Crown level is not where Intel has been stagnant you look back at
the last three or four generations they've given us the
3960x the first six core
consumer uh but they gave us a six core consumer okay the generation after that
they gave us a six core consumer for a little over half the price of the
previous one and a faster six core in the
4960x the year after that they bumped
the core count and they drove pricing of six cores no wait no that 5820 was still
a hold on yeah 5820k was still a six core if I recall correctly right it just
it just has fewer PCI Lanes than some of the other ones do that's right 28 PCI
Express Lanes versus 40 so at the
Enthusiast level okay we got an eight core we still got a cheaper six core and
we got an even cheaper six core but with few PCI elans which quite frankly for
consumers is completely irrelevant you can quote me on that especially these
days with the SLI limitations that's right and then and I mean even in the
previous days when the SLI wasn't limited but you shouldn't have been doing it anyway yeah it's still scaled
horribly so just why exactly and then in
the latest generation we got a 10 core at the top range which is sort of more
of a moving the bar of the top range and less of delivering us a 10 core for what
used to be yeah exactly but then we still get eight
and six cores for and I think in particular the 6800k is a pretty
compelling skew on the Enthusiast platform you get six cores really high
clock speeds and you get overclocking
and there okay it was the same thing that we said in our review I think I
think it's because the retails for like what 350 somewhere in that bar Park so a
little higher I think so but it's not ridiculous yeah it's it's doable it's
not $1,000 or $1,700 it's it's not completely outlandish yeah so actually
at the performance Crown end of things
Intel hasn't been sitting on ass to quite the same
degree with that said what they have
done is they have ramped up pricing in
the performance Crown Halo tier and the
reason you can ramp up pricing of your Halo tier products is not necessarily
because there isn't a competitor who also releasing Halo tier products at a
lower price in fact if they both had
Halo tier products you can bet that they would both be selling a CPUs for $1,000
a pop in fact it's happened Everyone likes to treat AMD like they're these
like Good Guys champions of you know cheap CPUs for consumers they are not
it's about strategy like what Market segment are you going to Target that's
right you go back far enough AMD introduced the Thousand Enthusiast
processor they started this thing and people forget that so so that's not the
problem the problem is that Intel has the luxury of holding not only the
performance Crown but also the
mainstream Enthusiast segment where AMD
is only really competing in the very
low-end range with their apus and in the
desperate AMD Fanboy range with their FX
CPUs that's all AMD really has so
because Intel is not putting any pressure on their Enthusiast processors
by continuing to sell us quad cores for an
entire decade an entire decade Intel has
said quadcore is enough for the mainstream and you know what they're probably right but that isn't the point
of what I'm saying the point is they are not giving us the other stuff because
they don't have to because the only one putting pressure on the Enthusiast
making us do a cost per performance per core value calculation on the Enthusiast
chips is Intel and they're going no yeah
that's how much a six core costs because if you want to spend less all you can
get a quad core and you can argue till you're blue in the face about amds six
cores and eight cores but let's get real performance matters how many cores you
write on the side of the Box doesn't matter and Intel's 8 cores have nothing
to do or rather AMD's eight cores have nothing to do with Intel's 8 cores
they're not they're not the same thing yeah they're not even comparable in terms of like single threaded and all
that so no they're not even yeah
yeah it's it's not even it's not even a conversation so am I amped for Zen
knowing that Zen is not necessarily going to go toe-to-toe with the 6700k
that's not the point of Zen absolutely I Ed exactly if Zen gives us great
performance at 200 bucks then mission
accomplished AMD will have effectively dramatically increased their average
selling price if they can move a bunch of new generation FX whatever it is they
end up calling them FX Zen CPUs I actually don't know what the branding is
going to be for them but if they can move a whack ton of those it'll drive up
AMD's asps that's their average sell price it will improve AMD's
profitability give them money to spend on R&D which they have been sorely
lacking and maybe give them a shot to come back with another punch after Zen
that really puts some pressure on Intel in the meantime giving people who want
to buy a high performance value computer
a legitimate option because after the $200 Mark even like closer to 230 bucks
diminishing returns yeah Intel really starts to to lock you down they kind of
go okay yeah we're going to really start to ramp down clock speed I actually did a lot of analysis on Intel's lineup for
a video that I worked on recently called Which Intel CPU should I buy um don't
worry there will be an AMD followup but I'm waiting for Zen because right now
the answer is a cheap Apu if you want a cheap machine that runs an APU um
so I did a lot of research and you start to get into dual cores really quickly
down at the bottom of Intel's lineup and the reality of it is when it comes to
cost of the Silicon there is no real reason that Intel should still be
shipping a dual core at least not over
$100 so I would love for Zen to bring
the fight to Intel in that mainstream segment in a real meaningful way in much
the same way that rx480 has been a Smash Hit at the $200 to $250 price Point even
though AMD doesn't have an answer for anything above that yeah it's a very
similar strategy you know um because rx48 is not designed they're not
targeting like the GTX 1080 they're targeting the middle of the market and
it looks like they're going to be doing the same thing with Zen which makes a lot of sense I think people are kind of
tired of uh being quote unquote trapped in you know Intel's ecosystem because if
you want like a modern CPU they're kind of your only option and and in addition
to paying like that sort of extra you know Intel tax if you will on just just
like you were talking about so yeah and I mean there's more to there's more to
Modern than just the CPU because I would even make the argument that you know you
could buy used Intel Hardware you could go grab a
3770k overclock that still a really good processor great processor and you know
if you want to go back to the Enthusiast platform ones assuming you can find a
board and I talk about this in my what CPU should I buy video but assuming you
can find a board uh you can go back to something like a 3960x mhm you can get
those on Amazon for like 180 200 bucks I saw them used yeah and I haven't checked
out Ebay lately but like yeah you can get like a six core for a pretty good value overclock the snot out of that
thing the problem is the platform so you're going to be missing a lot of usb3
ports you're going to be missing USB 3.1 10 gigabit for sure you're going to be
missing m.2 you're going to be missing um things that require BIOS level
support even though the hardware is there so something like an NVMe SSD that
goes into a PCI E slot you're not going to have support for that be bottleneck
by that by the inter by the board yeah yep well not even just that um the
motherboard manufacturer has to specifically enable it yeah they have to
add bio support for it and let's face it
you show me a motherboard manufacturer that cares about their motherboards
after the product cycle is over and I
will show you an incredulous face like this I like to say I'll put a unicorn in
your driveway that's good too yeah I'll put a unicorn in your incredulous face
bam all right
so uh let's see what are people saying
they're saying they have expansion slots so it's not quite that is a good point
yeah but there's some stuff that you will not get with an expansion slot
Thunderbolt comes to mind Thunderbolt must have support at the board level
before you can add an expansion card to it even though some other boards do
support expansion cards um notably the Rampage 5 extreme that I have in my
personal rig doesn't have it on board but there's a header like a data header
that you can plug in this specific expansion card and that specifically
will work native support just seems to play more nicely with things overall
that's right so like I I know like on the upcoming um the KB Lake from Intel
is going to have native I think um USB
3.1 perhaps without needing like an addin chip I think KB Lake was also
going to add uh Thunderbolt Thunderbolt 3 that that's what it might both no I
think I think you're right actually it was one or the other it had three in it I just remember that but yeah all
right um so the flash memory Summit this is sort of a big deal if you're into if
you're into that kind of thing the original article here is from n Gadget
have you not been able to load this up yet I have two factors so my phone yeah
just go get it okay yeah that's fine don't worry don't worry I'm I'm all good
I'm all good in the hood seagate's new 60 terabyte SSD
dwarfs others on the market and we're
talking both in terms of the capacity and in terms of the actual physical size
Now seat's 60 TB SSD that they showed
off is not the first 3 and a half in SSD
that I've ever seen in fact let's see if I can find a picture of it the ocz
Colossus with a whopping two star rating
over on newegg.ca here the ocz Colossus
took a similar approach back in oh man
when was this like around 2013 2012
something something like that I want to say where they just went to a three and
a half inch form factor solely so that they could stuff more flash chips onto a
larger PCB in order to ship a capacity that otherwise wasn't possible the
problem with the Colossus and the reason that you're not going to be buying one
of Cate 60 terab ssds unless you are I actually have no idea who the
customers are for these no idea video production companies maybe no I don't
think I'm kidding I don't think so like who needs 60 terab of solid state
storage and doesn't already have like like on a single Drive okay yeah on a
single drive with a sass interface I mean the cheap way the the incredibly
cheap response here would be no one will ever need more than 64 KB of RAM but you
make I said it was a cheap response you make a good point that is a cheap
response especially the fact that it's on a single drive over a well okay it's
a dual interface drive but over over over just a dual SAS interface
instead of being like 60 terab of flash storage in like a ginormous server that
has oodles and oodles of read and WR bandwidth and can handle hundreds and
hundreds of thousands of iops to like this you know Ballin interface thing
anyway so the problem that they're going to run into is the same one as before it's a lot of capacity it's a single
interface still so you're not really getting a performance benefit for the
size and last but not least there is not really a cost benefit because you still
have to buy all of those flash d so
let's go ahead and see if we can find the
uh let's see where where is it blah blah
blah how many how many how many packages
can't remember it was something ridiculous and unfortunately this
version of the article doesn't have that information there was a different one
that I was looking at when I was just like tooling around reading about this
but uh blah blah blah wow this is great
the actual the actual marketing line for
this is reach one pyte of storage with
only 17
drives wow
fantastic um right now it is only a demo unit in
fact we have reached out to Seagate asking if they can get us a unit just
for like another an episode of of holy
[ __ ] or something like that cuz this thing's going to cost like if I had to
guess I'd say it's going to cost over2 $5,000 for sure probably more depending
on who exactly the target is because the performance of it is shockingly not that
bad again this is something that was covered in the other article I was looking at and unfortunately isn't in
this one um 4 terabytes per watt of
power consumption that's fantastic uh
ultra dense n technology from Micron and
uses a unique approach where Seagate is actually still using a single controller
to access all of the nand flash so then
they're just using what are effectively kind of like like switch switch
technology to allow each uh like each
channel of the controller to access many many many more flash dies than they
otherwise would prary controller they developed or is it something else well
cate's been investing very very heavily
in in Flash even though they don't actually Fab anything as I recall um so
yeah it wouldn't surprise me and they I mean they acquired um they acquired LSi
while back yeah more companies seem to be getting involved and didn't WD um
start um trying to get involved with with nand not yeah they purchased s disc
or maybe that through no I I think that
happened I remember hearing about it but I could be wrong uh it said no complet
2016 completes the ex so a couple month like three months ago they they finished
up with that yep okay all right so I guess that's pretty
much all there is to it there's a 60 terabyte SSD which is four times the
capacity of the next leading SSD Samsung's PM whatever it's called PM
1633a which is a 15 TB SSD we had
actually reached out to Samsung that's in a 2 and a half inch form factor though by the way we had actually
reached out to Samsung about getting us one of those and they were they were not
able to do so nor did they even reply to our emails I actually I actually wanted
it for a specific project I wanted it for the world's most expensive
PlayStation 4 a water cooled PlayStation 4 with you
know 15 terabytes of solid state storage I thought that' be pretty cool but no
all right also from The Flash Summit tashiba and the original article here is
from the register. co.uk to sheba's an
even higher capacity
SSD quad level cell uh yes I'm assuming
that's what the Q stands for yeah so four bits per cell which we should
probably explain a little bit um there there's a fastest Possible episode about
bits per sale why don't you do that explanation I been doing a lot of talking I'm going to go get a drink of
water you explain why QC flash okay it's been a while since I've looked at this
but the gist of it is that so if you are buying an SSD usually what you'll see on
the product page is it'll indicate whether the SSD is SLC mlc or TLC and
what that refers to is how many bits of data each little memory cell um inside
the Nan flash can hold so an SLC Drive
Can Only Hold one bit per cell whereas a TLC Drive can hold three and more sounds
better as far as um it just more obviously sounds better but uh the
capacity but as far as capacity sounds better but um usually TLC drives they
tend to be um a little bit slower performance- wise um so this is a new Q
qlc drive that holds four bits per cell so we might be able to see some really
really good capacities with it and indeed they're teasing they this this I
guess it's a prototype but they're teasing it as being 100 terab so there's
not a whole lot that's been confirmed right now on this it looks like it's all talk um the the qlc technology was also
released very recently um it looks like it would be a 3D SSD so um I guess the
company that's most famous for this is Samsung because they marketed their um
3D their 3D um ssds pretty heavily we
instead of having the chips all on one plane they're actually stacked like so
so it'll increase uh the data density um so we're looking at a 3D SSD with um
PCIe gen 3 interface so it's not SATA it's PCI Express um over 100 terab of
capacity and oh high L this um 3 gabes a
second uh sequ sequential read and 1 Gaby per second um sequential right um
three gigabytes per second yeah that's that's quite a bit more than like
Samsung has their 950 which is I think their their highest in thing right now
that I can find but um three I think is almost a whole gig higher than that if
my memory serves me correctly yeah and it's not even NVMe either because this
is uh let's see what like what interface is it even using uh blah blah blah blah
blah blah blah blah blah well that's that's a big deal isn't it because um
more bits per cell usually means it's a bit slower yeah so yeah but I mean so
but this is but because it's it's 3D and it's in vme so so there's a couple of
things to bear in mind here so you've got a lot of Nan dies you have many many
many many many flash chips that you can
read from and you can write too so assuming your controller isn't a
bottleneck assuming you have a sophisticated enough controller you can
do these massive throughput numbers MH
even though we're talking qlc flash
which it surprises me that they're putting this in an Enterprise product
first quite frankly well I think um it seems to be focused more on kind of like
playing the copy paste game or moving huge files around because also you look
at the random read and write which is measured in iOS is only 50,000 and
14,000 for read write respectively and you it's extremely easy to find very
affordable consumer level SATA SSD I
think SATA ssds yeah SATA ssds that have numbers way above that so it see it
seems to be more suited for a media Farm where you're moving around huge files
where you get those sorts of like really good speeds like something that I would even okay so here again like here's
something I would wonder are you even better off let's say you were um you
were one of one of Netflix's uh one of Netflix's things
where they want to install their Hardware in an isp's um space MH right
so so I the term is escaping me but it's
it's Friday okay it's Friday it's been a
long week for everyone so if I was
Netflix the idea is I want to use as little rack space as possible I want to
store as many movies as I can and I want
to serve as many customers without unnecessary and buffering as I can so
very high-capacity drives look like well hey that might be a very very very good
ideah mhm except that by the time you
are starting to hit these drives with a lot of random operations are they even
any better off than mechanical well couldn't you split your workload then
like like let's say just just accesses to your web page or things like
validating a login could couldn't you do that with like something faster on the
random and then just have the do nothing but um HST videos and then if
you were going to do that if you're going to split the workload anyway then
why don't you just have why don't you spread out this data over more drives so
that people are less likely to be trying to hit the same thing at the same time
well you you could you could just like buy a bunch of these and array them
together but then that would get very expensive probably so this is kind of
scary um the qlc drive would have a 3
pyte to 6 pyte workload over its lifetime
so what does that workload over its
lifetime what that sounds like to me is
that you could only write this drive and correct me if I'm wrong somewhere
between 30 to 60 times okay so a paby it's a th TB so so like so a million
gigabytes yeah would be a petabyte yeah yeah that actually you think of
something like Netflix that so it seems like you would have to get a lot of
these so well no so you're right I mean they only change
their Library every once in a while so as long as they're smart about how they
utilize them maybe it helps oh no okay
so hold on a second this is using a PCI Express interface by the way I think I
might have said it was SAS or something before but yeah no was PCI let's move
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sorry but it's worth it I'm not sure what you're doing reading the wock me no
what you just said to me oh no no I just know I couldn't see the
screen through the microphone and you were just like kind of like it looked
like you were kind of like fawning at the screen or something I was like is he
playing I just I just wasn't sure what was going on I wasn't sure what was
going on uh all right denuvo has been
successfully cracked this has been a long time coming actually denuo has held
up surprisingly well so for those of you who don't know denuvo is a copy
protection scheme four games and it's
over it has been successfully cracked with both doom and Rise of the Tomb
Raider apparently already available online with a functional bypass for
denovo's anti-tampering
technology it was the crack was created by a Bulgarian hacker called VY vxy vxy
vxy can you do a Bulgarian accent I have no idea what they sound like in Bulgaria
all right right uh well he's also working on a crack for Just Cause 3
along with several other recent denuvo titles the crack exploits a bug in Steam
which allows users to play the full game while steam thinks the game is a free
demo version it appears as though is
given that this is a steam steam exploit uh that it could be fixed with a steam
update so it may not be functional for
long so there you have it so you will
either have to buy the game or you you will have to never update steam again
DRM versus hackers it's just like a never ending battle
mhm all right Quantum break is
officially coming to steam this is in our rapid fire news topics let's go
ahead and drop that in the twitch chat in case you guys are sort of curious
about it at all let's go ah the original article here is from overclock 3d.
net I will go ahead and go back to my
thing so basically it's coming September 14th 2016 so in about a month it this
will end its exclusivity in the Windows store I would love to say that I think
this is because Microsoft just has the best interests of Gamers at heart and
wants to support a more open ecosystem in fact they've even made some
statements that would seem to support that kind of do not walk on the green
screen second person I've caught doing that today we're going to have to
repaint that whole thing that is a hassle that is a royal hassle hash fired
hash no he's not fired I'm just if he does it again he might
be oh man anyway sorry uh it includes
all the updates that are available in the Windows 10 store version will
support directx11 and will not be a universal Windows platform game meaning
that any of the limitations that come with that whether they're related to benchmarking multi-GPU or whatever the
case may be frame rate limits will not be imposed on
it I'm still a little bit surprised that games that there are Windows App Store
no sorry not Windows App Store just Windows store exclusive games yeah it
surprises me a little bit by the time it SNS in for you my hope is that it will
be over yeah there you go but then again they've demonstrated as they did with
games for Windows Live that they're willing to stick with a terrible thing for an awful long time before giving up
that's kind of human nature I guess so yeah well this thing is basically on
fire but let's stick with it anyway yeah pretty
much all right let's go ahead and uh oh
this is kind of fun so the first commercial Mission To The Moon approved
for Florida company Moon Express I
already love the name of their company it sounds like a Planet Express from
furama yeah really like a delivery service to the moon I I have to I have
to wonder if it's intentional like I
hope it's intentional that's freaking awesome so the US
government has given the goad to launch the first commercial mission to the moon
so the moon Express CEO and co-founder said it's a huge milestone for us not
quite as catchy as one small step for man one large whatever leap giant giant
leap thank you for mankind not quite as catchy as that but maybe he didn't have
quite as long to write it given that he didn't sit in a spacecraft for you know
a long time before he got there you know I wonder I wonder what the story is
behind that I'm sure I'm sure it's been talked about like whether he whether it was spontaneous or whether he like
thought about it and planned it it had to require at least a few minutes of
pre-planning I mean it's frustrating
because you're a sports fan so you'll be able to relate to this it's frustrating
because the greatest moments in sports
are sometimes made as much by the
commentator as they are by the athlete oh yeah because they put it the
appropriate context they get you amped up for it they they they make the moment
something that goes beyond a fantastic
athletic feat and something that becomes culturally iconic because you can like
you can okay so the uh the the the Bobby
or goal mhm it's amazing to watch but with that
with that commentation commentary commentation commentary commentary thank
you with that commentary it's something that like like is like moving to a to a
hockey fan anyway some most people wouldn't care
um doesn't it drive you crazy when you
can tell that they had a sheet of paper on in front of them with like epic
moment quotes that they've been thinking up over the last month and they just say
one oh you you can always tell when it's like oh you were staying up late at
night last week just trying to think of this stuff and now you have your moment
American commentators are the worst I'm
sorry in what regard though you could be right depending on doing
that I notice it so much less on Canadian broadcasts the contrived fake
nonsense on a big game win especially
when it's like not a close game like when when the when the outcome has
basically been decided since the you know middle of the second period or
beginning yeah where they've got like this quote
that they were obviously saving that makes it sound like all Epic like an
epic Triumph when it was just kind of a
a Beatdown I've SE I've actually seen um
I don't disagree with you but I have seen it um in other countries as well
like if I'm watching the like Premier League in English soccer there could be
a game put away by halftime and then you know the announcer will go on in this
golf announcer style drone for the second 45 minutes and then when the
final goes and there it is and I'm just like okay like so I I your point is very
well taken though I understand what you're saying um all right so back to
back to going to the Moon um the company has raised more than $30 million so far
and plan to unveil their MX 1e Lander at
the Cape caraval Air Station the first launch is targeted for late
2017 this is kind of funny the FAA has
not actually issued a launch license yet um and that will be considered
separately from the itself so while they do have permission to travel between
Earth's stratosphere and the moon and land there they do not have permission
to actually what which layer of the atmosphere does the faa's jurisdiction
end I actually don't I don't know either
so I don't know if you ask the FAA maybe it never ends you know what it wouldn't
surprise me all
right uh what else we got oh the Kansas thing I thought was pretty okay let's
move on to that where is that oh where is that indeed I saw it Kansas farm sues
Max Mind Over quote massive IP glitch
unquote so let's go ahead I'll pull up the original article from The Washington
Post you want to go ahead and uh get get us going on this yeah so this is pretty
nuts so maxmind is a company out of
walan Massachusetts actually ride across the river from from where I lived uh
when I was in law school and they are a company that maps IP addresses to
geographical areas now what they did is
um they had one one point that they considered the default center of the US
so um and this was and therefore center of the universe exactly hash hashtag
Canadian commentary okay so and basically what
this is what the geographic center of of a of a country or anything else is is
suppose you had um a cardboard cutout shaped exactly like the US and you
balanced it on a pin the geographic center is where it would bounce like
where the pin would be and this happened to be very close to these folks folks'
house that lived in Kansas and so what ended up happening is all this IP
traffic was being mapped back to
essentially their front yard and what ended up happening was for years they
had cops showing up at their door at all hours accusing them of being involved in
all sorts of crime or or whatever other Shenanigans and there were just this
like random elderly couple that lived on the farm or something had no idea what
was going on so
basically Max mind is responsible for mapping IP addresses and they used this
this geographical center as the default
location for any us-based IP address MH
so let's say that you know um oh man
like what even would be an example of something that didn't have a proper IP
address and they just default like why would they even be doing this I I I'm it
was a little bit unclear from the story honestly maybe if someone was like you
know using a VPN but even then like so sometimes when mapping IPS apparently
they are able to only determine the country of origin that's it yeah okay so
there it is so so if all all they know is oh you're somewhere in the United
States you get mapped to this random place in Kansas I mean these are some of
the complaints that this poor family has been dealing with um they've been
accused of interrupting email service for customers of a certain small
business they've been accused of harboring a stolen vehicle harboring
runaway children and keeping girls in the house to make pornographic films I
mean I really like how that last one was in quotation marks
but yeah so so it says um ambulances
have appeared to prepare to save suicidal persons FBI agents Federal
Marshals IRS collectors and other law enforcement officers have appeared on
their doorsteps as all hours of the day and night and even one random morning a
broken toilet was left in their driveway without explanation all right so max
mind has since changed their default
location in the US to the center of a lake west of
Witchita um but in the meantime the Arnolds have filed a lawsuit against
macm Max M seeking compensatory and punitive damages in excess of $775,000
can I make a comment on that yes so the reason they chose that dollar amount um
in excess of $5,000 so here's the reason for this um super quick crash course in
jurisdiction of American law so um they followed the case in federal court and
if you want to file something in federal court in the US there's two require
there you can do it in one of two ways one is if it involves a federal question
or a federal law but the other is if there's what's called diversity
assistantship where is the two parties in this case the old couple and maxide
or from two different states and they are and the amount in controversy is
above $755,000 so that's why the there's a sort of
vague in excess we want in excess of 75
grand like who knows how much the actual amount they'll get will be but that is
just sort of like a venue selection trick to get them into federal court as
opposed to state court so oh I see okay
makes sense yeah let's move on to a pretty important rumor so the original
post here is actually from the lineus tech tips Forum because I think uh I
think they are quickly being wiped out
and I'm not going to say anything about this because I may or may not actually
have real information um but basically here
there's an imer post of what appears to
be I'm going to read it word for word it
is this imer post that is the entire
that is the entire source of of everything that I'm saying it appears to
be an ASUS Rog stricks g752 vm- GC 0 33t
7.3 in uh what seems to be a laptop of
some sort this this potentially completely
photoshopped page um says that it oh
okay it seems to be a laptop because it has a core i76700hq processor word next to this
picture of what appears to be a laptop so I guess the implication being that
one of those is inside one of those um
ddr4 8 gig RAM 256 GB s s SDM Period 2
uh 1tb 72000 RPM something something
that's a word in a language that I don't understand norian NVIDIA GeForce GTX
10606gb hm so the implication
is that a laptop with a
gtx1060
6gb could potentially be a thing for uh
19,999 of whatever the devil these are Norwegian Crone is that is that right I
I think that's what it said I wish I wish Luke were here because Luke is very
good at Scandinavian currency we were having a discussion about this the other
day that's an interesting Talent don't worry about
it um so an interesting actually no I'm
not going to point out anything that's interesting about it there were also some uh let's see if any of the other
listings are still are still live it looks like this stuff is being pulled
down so all the links that were originally given for
expert. are Y no NOP not I don't know
what any of this is but it definitely isn't that
so H very very interesting very
interesting I like Scandinavian letters where is Luke anyway
Britain that's as much information as I have that's all the information I have
too all right self diving Tesla original
article here is from the telegraph.co.uk saves a man's life by steering him to
the hospital so this opens up an okay let's
go through the basics the basics of the story first uh so original article from
Telegraph oh I think I already said that uh originally posted by fake ZZ on the
Forum so it his Tesla Model X is credited with having helped save an
American man's life after its autopilot function got him to the hospital when he
suffered a pulmonary symbolism the man's name is Joshua NE a lawyer from
Springfield Missouri he called his wife and said something was wrong that he couldn't breathe and thinking it would
be quicker than pulling over to call an ambulance he set the autopilot
autonomous function of the Tesla Model X he just got the car a few weeks before
this happened he doesn't remember much after he set the mode as the car drove
him over 20 miles to
Branson he managed to steer the car the last mile or so between the motorway and
the hospital so this is an interesting
debate mhm how is it that we consider Tesla's
autopilot record because a couple people
have died now do they get one in the bank if
autopilot Saves a Life Is that how it is that how it works like life saved versus
lives taken I don't know I'm not making the rules for this I'm just asking
questions we're going to straw pull this friends we have got a straw pull this go
ahead hit me I mean I I
mean I feel like this was inevitable
when you have when the design when whoever's idea this was first said hey
why don't we try to make a self-driving car but I I don't know how how do you
measure something like this whether or not like this is a good or bad thing
because okay I'll say this so how much
testing has been done versus death rate
because people who just drive regular cars both kill themselves and other
people all the time yeah so even though
it's easy to say oh you can't trust these computers to drive cars if their
fatality rate is still much lower than you know some random person behind the
wheel but you're you're okay the problem
though is that you're approaching this from a very
um a very scientific standpoint like a
purely fact-based standpoint and the reality of it is even
for even for people who care more about facts than feelings
mhm let's say it was you know uh your
mom MH who died in a self-driving car do
you care that the odds were better for
her like that that the overall odds like fewer people would die if we were all in
self-driving cars do you care your mom's dead M and maybe wouldn't have been dead
if she had been operating the steering wheel like that's something to consider
is that while it's easy to kind of go oh the greater good and this and that that
doesn't change that you're going to be dealing with people who are inherently
emotionally distraught and very upset
and prepared to make a very loud noise about why self-driving cars are are bad
if someone close to them dies in one or is seriously injured in one whereas we
all accept just because of because we've
all been born into a world where cars operated by people are the norm we all
accept the risks that come along with a
manually operated car people also like to feel like they're in control which is
why people tend to be more afraid of flying than they are of driving even
though flying is statistically much safer you have a feeling of not being in control and if something goes wrong
there's nothing you can do about it that's right and I would also make the argument that flying is a much more
terrifying way to die because there I
can think of very few scenarios where you won't have an awful lot of time to think about
it yeah and you just like plummet for quite a while I I don't know what the
terminal velocity of a human being is but it's not that high yeah so no it's
not so we've got 65% of you saying yes
we can evaluate autopilot systems on the on the bank system well to be fair in
one out you come out net even when these start becoming more mainstream I feel
like this is how we're going to make decisions on them like this is how
governments are going to regulate them this is the way that companies are going
to be approaching safety it's so it's ultimately going to affect like how
people use them
so I don't know I just I'm I'm wondering
with the whole you know the marsh of progress and all that like I'm wondering
how much voices of people um that oh I
lost a loved one in a in a self-driving
car accident and maybe I wouldn't have had they actually been controlling the
car I wonder if those vo will just kind voices will just end up being lost in
the conversation because ultimately I think we're going to make decisions based on
more what are the numbers I don't know I mean the thing is is that it's pretty
hard to lose a voice in the conversation these days with social media being what
it is that's true yeah I mean people can you know with through amplification
factors like Twitter and read Tak just one viral incident and then suddenly the
conversation changes you know at least a little bit so and at the end of the day
I mean any politician is at the mercy of the voters so
whatever they can do quietly behind closed doors that is something that
their voters wouldn't agree with is all fine and good but as soon as something
goes viral and there's a bunch of pressure and it looks like they might actually not get reelected if you're a
career politician not getting re-elected is like getting fired effectively
exactly or like or you know if you're let's say a senator and you have to go
back to being the mayor of you know three sticks Nebraska then you know
that's it's like getting a huge demotion M um with and with the incumbency
advantage it does become a career I think I don't know how it is in Canada but like in the US House incumbency
success rate in election is like over 90% like most of these people were there
for a long time so basically we're looking at something that is potentially
very emotional and um and can be driven
by fear absolutely so I don't know yeah I mean because yeah I mean how many self
or like autonomous vehicles other than cars are there there still really aren't
all that many like most Metro systems and train systems they have a human
conductor or or or a human driver you know sky has one I think there might be
a remote controller though I'm actually not sure as slow as a Sky Train is I don't see how it matters
but okay if you're going to hate on the sky Train hate on the sky train right
okay the sky Train doesn't go
anywhere it covers such a tiny fraction
of the Greater Vancouver area that it's basically
irrelevant our Master Trans in North Carolina's a joke too I'm not trying to
pick on Vancouver it's it's just it's bad so all right well speaking of things
that are bad the end of the
show is bad because the show's ending
not because the show's bad maybe the show was bad well that that
would make if it was a bad if it was a bad show it would be good at sending so
yes maybe I'll do a straw
pull is the show bad or the end
bad the show is bad hey show was bad actually leave it like that is perfect
the end is bad this poll is
bad all right let's find out what's bad and I did not put an option for
Michael Jackson
oh all right it has been a long week it's been
a very long week I don't even know why probably because last week was a holiday
week we're also a little bit short-handed this week yeah we're a little short-handed this week
um what was Luke not here Brandon's out
today MH what with people hating people hating
they're say yeah every single every single voter is saying something's bad
it's like look at this negativity they mostly hate your poll they mostly hate
my poll mm I can tell you one person who doesn't hate my
poll I'm not going to say it see you next week same bad time same bad Channel
yeah always