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so just you know be aware that I'm broadcasting it's fine you can keep

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doing what you're doing Taran apparently thinks building Lego crap at work is is

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work or whatever Lego Lego you know

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brain brain hurricane or whatever it is

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see I knew he can't resist it he has to correct me HRI even even though he knows

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like he absolutely knows on every possible level that I'm doing it on

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purpose he can't resist BR face he has

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he has to correct me so wait so sorry hold on a second is Lego Mindstorm

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related to Meo Meo no see he did it

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again M was that on purpose that time yeah of course okay and he's leaving hey

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and you guys are coming on board welcome to the WAN Show it's going to be me and

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John here today we're going to be telling you about what's new in Tech

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we're going to be trolling tan and it'll be up to you guys to decide which of

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those things is better and or more

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important and of course you're here to

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find out why exactly it is that we're

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late today okay so I would love to tell you about that but I went and I left it

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um I left it over there well whatever I was working on a video yeah actually

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yeah Pella do you mind grabbing that green and black video card that's kind of next to the inventory station sweet

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pella's going to bring it over for us oh you haven't been introduced to Pella

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he's kind of shy I don't know if he's actually going to want to be on camera

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but um he works here he does he does right

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sometimes sometimes sometimes so he works okay um I got people saying my

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pupils are huge uh it could be all of the drugs that I took it's not that easy

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to get amped up for w show how could they tell that your pupils are huge the

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the camera is not that high rez I mean

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yay thank you all right so this is what

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I was working on a 5,000

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graphics card finding out just what makes it special so it's a Quadro m6000

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and there's a lot of there's a lot of discussion about these because they're

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very hard to get your hands on unless you have $5,000 that you want to trade

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for one of these um so I've seen people saying things all the way from cuadros

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can't run games to that cuadros run games better

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neither of which are true well there's only one way to find out and that's why

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watching the episode of holy sh uh that's going to be coming pretty

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soon maybe I'm wrong stay tuned to find out yeah now some of you are probably

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kind of sitting here going really was that more important than starting the show on time and the answer is normally

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no normally that would not be more important than starting the show on time

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but we ran into a bit of a production snafu uh one of the videos that was

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supposed to go out this weekend on vessel the b-roll wasn't done and then

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Brandon's out of office on a forced vacation right now uh seriously the guy

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wouldn't take his time off know so he has uh let's see seven weeks to take all

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of his time off because he hasn't booked off any and Q4 is a blackout Zone mhm

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and so so Ivonne actually just assigned

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him days and she was just like you're not coming into the office on these days

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and is he going anywhere or is he just kind of hanging out and just not being

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here I suspect he's like sitting at home

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dreaming of work probably that's that's my best guess he's probably looking at

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camera gear that's my yeah he's probably he's probably like researching crap that

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he can hang in the lighting Grid or whatever the case may be all right so

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let's get this show on the road and that begins with of course after the excuses

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the intro roll it

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wow it's so nice having the stream work properly the only thing that doesn't

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work properly is me being here on time so uh

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you guys should just skip the intro and do the excuses no I already did the

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excuses that's the whole point all right let's jump right into what I personally

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consider to be the big news this week so

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the original article here is from wccftech when I saw this I pretty much

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went bananas look at that AMD Zen

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engineering sample bench marks leak out

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the Summit Ridge CPU is apparently faster than the Intel Cor 5

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4670 in the um whatever it is yes ashes

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of the singularity Benchmark

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program yes my friends I just covered

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for a weird grammatical slip up by pretending that the pauses were

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intentional it was very convincing that's a pro tip by the way I didn't get

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away with it did I when I have your job one day I'll keep that in mind okay all

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right well ah show up on time and work hard

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and other thing yes then profit question mark then

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profit okay so let's let's talk about this a little bit first of all yes I

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know the source is wccf Tech bit of a

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rumor mill but sometimes they do hit on things so bit of a rumor mill I mean

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it's one of those things where if you Mill enough rumors eventually you will

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end up with a loaf of truth I was just

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about to say loaf of Truth bread read my mind perfect perfect see we got Synergy

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today all right um and there are things

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that you can consider there are things that you can do to sort of vet a

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particular rumor so one of them is you

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can kind of go okay does the what's the

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evidence so the evidence here is not a

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leak from AMD it's a leak from a benchmark database so

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that that can be credible or it can be

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non-credible because some benchmarks it's just a matter of like editing a

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text string somewhere and you can make a product show up as though it is

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something else whereas other benchmarks especially ones where the publisher in

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particular wouldn't really have any reason

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to any reason to act like it's something

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that it's not um this this can be an

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excellent way of um of figuring out that

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yes that is indeed pretty credible so for example a leaked CPUs

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screenshot maybe I wouldn't put too much stock in it can you validate on CPU z a

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validated CPU Z screenshot where the

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processor ID shows up as Intel engineering sample whatever whatever

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code name usually those are pretty credible okay number two is

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timing timing is huge so AMD is figuring

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like the the old quote if I recall correct correctly you'll have to forgive

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me AMD has changed the story a number of times on this but the old quote was that

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they would ship Zen in late 2016 we are now getting towards well

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we're well into the second half of 2016 however they did say that it slipped and

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should be shipping sometime in early

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2017 the timing for this leak is perfect

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because don't imagine for a second that a motherboard maker remember this is a

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new CPU and a new chipset this isn't a micro code update for existing

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motherboards and chipsets because it's been like what 5 years that will make no

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sense at this point exactly we are getting a new socket socket am4 we are

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getting a new chipset with support for ddr4 finally uh support for PCI Express

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3.0 finally I mean I mean AMD has shipped multiple generations of graphics

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cards that support PCI Express

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technology that their CPUs and motherboards do not and even if you

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aren't um even if you're running like sort of the middle of the road or even a

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high-end GPU that's not going to saturate a pcie2 lane it also means you

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can't take advantage of like the new storage options as well if you're running an older PCI revision that's

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right so basically the timing is pretty good don't imagine for a second that

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motherboard makers don't have some of the first working silicon in their Labs

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so they can start to make sure that their motherboards work because AMD

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again this is a new platform AMD cannot launch a CPU until the motherboards are

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not only completed in the design stage of things but are actually tested and

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validated mass produced packaged and

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shipped otherwise you might as well just hang the CPUs on your Christmas tree

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with that said okay this kind of a funny funny thing AMD has done that before

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they have launched CPUs before the motherboards were available to retail

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yeah yeah I don't I don't remember which one it was but basically it was it wasn't a huge delay it was like a couple

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of days but like the CPUs were in stock you could build some hype that way I

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guess almost like pre-ordering a game I guess so pre-ordering A game except it's

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a game that you also need to buy like like a special controller for and then

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you have to pay shipping on the order separately so like Guitar Hero but to

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another degree yeah just ordering like ordering like a Guitar Hero like disc

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library and then not having the plastic guitar yet exactly exactly okay

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so so basically what I'm trying to say oh yeah so consideration number three is

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um what kind of performance we're seeing out of it an early leak that indicates

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that Zen at $200 is going to crap all

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over the 6950x is

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probably designed by some AMD Fanboy

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somewhere who wants people to be hyped up about AMD that's it doesn't have much

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credibility whereas this rumor looks

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pretty solid

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so let's get through this blah blah blah okay so the benchmarks so first of

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all and this is another important disclaimer the benchmarks are of an engineering sample and may not be

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entirely representative of the retail product with that said the product

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development timelines on things like CPUs are so long that if motherboard

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manufacturers and presumably that's that's where this ultimately came from

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at some point uh but if motherboard manufacturers or anyone else who has

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their hands on motherboards and CPUs

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um has silicon that they're actually using to validate anything it's probably

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pretty far along like there are sometimes very early chips that are

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clocked much much lower than the eventual retail ones end up being but

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that's earlier on in the development process where there's still time to like

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tape it out again for example I don't think AMD is looking at if they're going

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to be launching the chip sometime in the next know 3 to 6 months actually okay

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maybe but that would be very tight like I don't think we're going to see

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anything that's dramatically different from what's here maybe some tweak clock

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speeds maybe this is a lower-end skew hard to say um it was tested with an

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unnamed motherboard and an rx480 graphics card and the 1080p average

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frame rates and Ashes of the singularity showed 58 FPS for the Zen engineering

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sample compared to 65.4 on an Intel Core

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i74790 and 52. . 6 on a

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4670k so it's currently clocked at 2.8 GHz base 3.2 GHz boost and the

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benchmarks have since been pulled down by the

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source so AMD Zen are you still hyped well I

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mean okay so I I Feel Like The Benchmark results are probably so aots is a is is

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it CPU bound at all I feel like it might be there there there's some CPU yeah so

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so we have a chip like on like a 14 nmet

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process and I know there's like a lot more to it than just the transistor size

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but it's what Intel is currently using as well so it's it's been such a long

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time since 2011 since we got anything new from them is in terms of

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architecture so it's also been completely redesigned

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uh by the team that was led by Jim Keller who has actually since moved on

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to Tesla which is sort of a shame although AMD says that the groundwork

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has been laid for not only Zen but improvements upon Zen over the next

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couple of years though my concern then if I were say for example an AMD

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investor or an AMD fan would be well gee

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isn't that exactly what happened with the Athlon 64 Jim Keller led the team that designed

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it and you iterated on it after he left and then just kind of kept iterating on

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it after he left and that was sort of all we had for the next I don't know 10

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years um but uh sorry let's let's get this

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let's get this straw poll up so I just posted a straw poll are you guys still

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amped for Zen let's see the results here

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boom 45% of you saying

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yes with 9% of you saying no and 45% of

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you saying you never were so basically in a nutshell this has not really

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dampened the spirits of anyone who was

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legitimately excited about Zen in the first place and you know what I am

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actually in the same camp on this because I don't need AMD to come back

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Athlon 64 style um and take the

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performance crown that is actually not what we need at all because at the

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performance Crown level is not where Intel has been stagnant you look back at

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the last three or four generations they've given us the

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3960x the first six core

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consumer uh but they gave us a six core consumer okay the generation after that

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they gave us a six core consumer for a little over half the price of the

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previous one and a faster six core in the

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4960x the year after that they bumped

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the core count and they drove pricing of six cores no wait no that 5820 was still

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a hold on yeah 5820k was still a six core if I recall correctly right it just

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it just has fewer PCI Lanes than some of the other ones do that's right 28 PCI

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Express Lanes versus 40 so at the

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Enthusiast level okay we got an eight core we still got a cheaper six core and

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we got an even cheaper six core but with few PCI elans which quite frankly for

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consumers is completely irrelevant you can quote me on that especially these

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days with the SLI limitations that's right and then and I mean even in the

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previous days when the SLI wasn't limited but you shouldn't have been doing it anyway yeah it's still scaled

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horribly so just why exactly and then in

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the latest generation we got a 10 core at the top range which is sort of more

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of a moving the bar of the top range and less of delivering us a 10 core for what

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used to be yeah exactly but then we still get eight

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and six cores for and I think in particular the 6800k is a pretty

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compelling skew on the Enthusiast platform you get six cores really high

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clock speeds and you get overclocking

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and there okay it was the same thing that we said in our review I think I

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think it's because the retails for like what 350 somewhere in that bar Park so a

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little higher I think so but it's not ridiculous yeah it's it's doable it's

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not $1,000 or $1,700 it's it's not completely outlandish yeah so actually

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at the performance Crown end of things

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Intel hasn't been sitting on ass to quite the same

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degree with that said what they have

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done is they have ramped up pricing in

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the performance Crown Halo tier and the

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reason you can ramp up pricing of your Halo tier products is not necessarily

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because there isn't a competitor who also releasing Halo tier products at a

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lower price in fact if they both had

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Halo tier products you can bet that they would both be selling a CPUs for $1,000

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a pop in fact it's happened Everyone likes to treat AMD like they're these

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like Good Guys champions of you know cheap CPUs for consumers they are not

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it's about strategy like what Market segment are you going to Target that's

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right you go back far enough AMD introduced the Thousand Enthusiast

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processor they started this thing and people forget that so so that's not the

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problem the problem is that Intel has the luxury of holding not only the

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performance Crown but also the

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mainstream Enthusiast segment where AMD

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is only really competing in the very

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low-end range with their apus and in the

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desperate AMD Fanboy range with their FX

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CPUs that's all AMD really has so

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because Intel is not putting any pressure on their Enthusiast processors

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by continuing to sell us quad cores for an

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entire decade an entire decade Intel has

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said quadcore is enough for the mainstream and you know what they're probably right but that isn't the point

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of what I'm saying the point is they are not giving us the other stuff because

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they don't have to because the only one putting pressure on the Enthusiast

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making us do a cost per performance per core value calculation on the Enthusiast

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chips is Intel and they're going no yeah

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that's how much a six core costs because if you want to spend less all you can

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get a quad core and you can argue till you're blue in the face about amds six

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cores and eight cores but let's get real performance matters how many cores you

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write on the side of the Box doesn't matter and Intel's 8 cores have nothing

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to do or rather AMD's eight cores have nothing to do with Intel's 8 cores

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they're not they're not the same thing yeah they're not even comparable in terms of like single threaded and all

00:18:26.880 --> 00:18:31.360
that so no they're not even yeah

00:18:29.960 --> 00:18:37.120
yeah it's it's not even it's not even a conversation so am I amped for Zen

00:18:34.840 --> 00:18:43.159
knowing that Zen is not necessarily going to go toe-to-toe with the 6700k

00:18:40.760 --> 00:18:52.919
that's not the point of Zen absolutely I Ed exactly if Zen gives us great

00:18:48.640 --> 00:18:55.760
performance at 200 bucks then mission

00:18:52.919 --> 00:18:59.799
accomplished AMD will have effectively dramatically increased their average

00:18:57.720 --> 00:19:04.320
selling price if they can move a bunch of new generation FX whatever it is they

00:19:02.120 --> 00:19:06.640
end up calling them FX Zen CPUs I actually don't know what the branding is

00:19:05.320 --> 00:19:10.640
going to be for them but if they can move a whack ton of those it'll drive up

00:19:08.320 --> 00:19:14.360
AMD's asps that's their average sell price it will improve AMD's

00:19:12.840 --> 00:19:19.559
profitability give them money to spend on R&D which they have been sorely

00:19:17.120 --> 00:19:24.159
lacking and maybe give them a shot to come back with another punch after Zen

00:19:22.080 --> 00:19:29.679
that really puts some pressure on Intel in the meantime giving people who want

00:19:26.480 --> 00:19:32.159
to buy a high performance value computer

00:19:29.679 --> 00:19:38.159
a legitimate option because after the $200 Mark even like closer to 230 bucks

00:19:36.000 --> 00:19:41.360
diminishing returns yeah Intel really starts to to lock you down they kind of

00:19:40.039 --> 00:19:47.320
go okay yeah we're going to really start to ramp down clock speed I actually did a lot of analysis on Intel's lineup for

00:19:45.480 --> 00:19:51.880
a video that I worked on recently called Which Intel CPU should I buy um don't

00:19:49.840 --> 00:19:55.679
worry there will be an AMD followup but I'm waiting for Zen because right now

00:19:53.679 --> 00:20:01.480
the answer is a cheap Apu if you want a cheap machine that runs an APU um

00:19:59.320 --> 00:20:05.320
so I did a lot of research and you start to get into dual cores really quickly

00:20:03.440 --> 00:20:10.080
down at the bottom of Intel's lineup and the reality of it is when it comes to

00:20:07.320 --> 00:20:14.600
cost of the Silicon there is no real reason that Intel should still be

00:20:11.520 --> 00:20:18.360
shipping a dual core at least not over

00:20:14.600 --> 00:20:20.520
$100 so I would love for Zen to bring

00:20:18.360 --> 00:20:25.760
the fight to Intel in that mainstream segment in a real meaningful way in much

00:20:22.840 --> 00:20:31.760
the same way that rx480 has been a Smash Hit at the $200 to $250 price Point even

00:20:29.440 --> 00:20:35.720
though AMD doesn't have an answer for anything above that yeah it's a very

00:20:33.360 --> 00:20:40.400
similar strategy you know um because rx48 is not designed they're not

00:20:37.799 --> 00:20:42.640
targeting like the GTX 1080 they're targeting the middle of the market and

00:20:41.679 --> 00:20:48.360
it looks like they're going to be doing the same thing with Zen which makes a lot of sense I think people are kind of

00:20:46.400 --> 00:20:52.480
tired of uh being quote unquote trapped in you know Intel's ecosystem because if

00:20:50.360 --> 00:20:56.720
you want like a modern CPU they're kind of your only option and and in addition

00:20:54.720 --> 00:21:01.240
to paying like that sort of extra you know Intel tax if you will on just just

00:20:59.360 --> 00:21:04.960
like you were talking about so yeah and I mean there's more to there's more to

00:21:03.039 --> 00:21:09.640
Modern than just the CPU because I would even make the argument that you know you

00:21:07.640 --> 00:21:14.159
could buy used Intel Hardware you could go grab a

00:21:11.480 --> 00:21:18.720
3770k overclock that still a really good processor great processor and you know

00:21:16.840 --> 00:21:21.880
if you want to go back to the Enthusiast platform ones assuming you can find a

00:21:20.279 --> 00:21:26.400
board and I talk about this in my what CPU should I buy video but assuming you

00:21:24.400 --> 00:21:31.080
can find a board uh you can go back to something like a 3960x mhm you can get

00:21:28.880 --> 00:21:34.880
those on Amazon for like 180 200 bucks I saw them used yeah and I haven't checked

00:21:33.360 --> 00:21:40.080
out Ebay lately but like yeah you can get like a six core for a pretty good value overclock the snot out of that

00:21:37.679 --> 00:21:44.240
thing the problem is the platform so you're going to be missing a lot of usb3

00:21:42.120 --> 00:21:48.400
ports you're going to be missing USB 3.1 10 gigabit for sure you're going to be

00:21:45.799 --> 00:21:51.600
missing m.2 you're going to be missing um things that require BIOS level

00:21:50.240 --> 00:21:55.240
support even though the hardware is there so something like an NVMe SSD that

00:21:53.720 --> 00:22:00.320
goes into a PCI E slot you're not going to have support for that be bottleneck

00:21:57.640 --> 00:22:03.240
by that by the inter by the board yeah yep well not even just that um the

00:22:02.080 --> 00:22:09.120
motherboard manufacturer has to specifically enable it yeah they have to

00:22:05.080 --> 00:22:11.279
add bio support for it and let's face it

00:22:09.120 --> 00:22:16.440
you show me a motherboard manufacturer that cares about their motherboards

00:22:13.360 --> 00:22:18.600
after the product cycle is over and I

00:22:16.440 --> 00:22:23.720
will show you an incredulous face like this I like to say I'll put a unicorn in

00:22:20.919 --> 00:22:30.080
your driveway that's good too yeah I'll put a unicorn in your incredulous face

00:22:27.000 --> 00:22:33.279
bam all right

00:22:30.080 --> 00:22:35.360
so uh let's see what are people saying

00:22:33.279 --> 00:22:40.159
they're saying they have expansion slots so it's not quite that is a good point

00:22:38.720 --> 00:22:44.480
yeah but there's some stuff that you will not get with an expansion slot

00:22:42.000 --> 00:22:48.240
Thunderbolt comes to mind Thunderbolt must have support at the board level

00:22:46.600 --> 00:22:52.640
before you can add an expansion card to it even though some other boards do

00:22:49.720 --> 00:22:56.760
support expansion cards um notably the Rampage 5 extreme that I have in my

00:22:54.480 --> 00:23:00.960
personal rig doesn't have it on board but there's a header like a data header

00:22:59.440 --> 00:23:04.760
that you can plug in this specific expansion card and that specifically

00:23:02.559 --> 00:23:09.799
will work native support just seems to play more nicely with things overall

00:23:07.000 --> 00:23:15.000
that's right so like I I know like on the upcoming um the KB Lake from Intel

00:23:11.919 --> 00:23:16.960
is going to have native I think um USB

00:23:15.000 --> 00:23:21.080
3.1 perhaps without needing like an addin chip I think KB Lake was also

00:23:19.000 --> 00:23:24.480
going to add uh Thunderbolt Thunderbolt 3 that that's what it might both no I

00:23:23.400 --> 00:23:32.279
think I think you're right actually it was one or the other it had three in it I just remember that but yeah all

00:23:29.320 --> 00:23:35.760
right um so the flash memory Summit this is sort of a big deal if you're into if

00:23:34.720 --> 00:23:39.240
you're into that kind of thing the original article here is from n Gadget

00:23:38.039 --> 00:23:42.360
have you not been able to load this up yet I have two factors so my phone yeah

00:23:41.080 --> 00:23:46.960
just go get it okay yeah that's fine don't worry don't worry I'm I'm all good

00:23:44.840 --> 00:23:55.400
I'm all good in the hood seagate's new 60 terabyte SSD

00:23:51.840 --> 00:23:58.000
dwarfs others on the market and we're

00:23:55.400 --> 00:24:04.320
talking both in terms of the capacity and in terms of the actual physical size

00:24:00.520 --> 00:24:07.360
Now seat's 60 TB SSD that they showed

00:24:04.320 --> 00:24:09.679
off is not the first 3 and a half in SSD

00:24:07.360 --> 00:24:17.600
that I've ever seen in fact let's see if I can find a picture of it the ocz

00:24:14.200 --> 00:24:21.039
Colossus with a whopping two star rating

00:24:17.600 --> 00:24:24.679
over on newegg.ca here the ocz Colossus

00:24:21.039 --> 00:24:28.440
took a similar approach back in oh man

00:24:24.679 --> 00:24:29.679
when was this like around 2013 2012

00:24:28.440 --> 00:24:36.039
something something like that I want to say where they just went to a three and

00:24:33.159 --> 00:24:41.840
a half inch form factor solely so that they could stuff more flash chips onto a

00:24:38.919 --> 00:24:46.520
larger PCB in order to ship a capacity that otherwise wasn't possible the

00:24:43.919 --> 00:24:50.840
problem with the Colossus and the reason that you're not going to be buying one

00:24:47.880 --> 00:24:55.840
of Cate 60 terab ssds unless you are I actually have no idea who the

00:24:53.159 --> 00:25:00.440
customers are for these no idea video production companies maybe no I don't

00:24:58.080 --> 00:25:04.320
think I'm kidding I don't think so like who needs 60 terab of solid state

00:25:02.279 --> 00:25:08.279
storage and doesn't already have like like on a single Drive okay yeah on a

00:25:06.600 --> 00:25:12.559
single drive with a sass interface I mean the cheap way the the incredibly

00:25:10.320 --> 00:25:17.720
cheap response here would be no one will ever need more than 64 KB of RAM but you

00:25:16.200 --> 00:25:21.559
make I said it was a cheap response you make a good point that is a cheap

00:25:19.480 --> 00:25:25.840
response especially the fact that it's on a single drive over a well okay it's

00:25:23.679 --> 00:25:31.279
a dual interface drive but over over over just a dual SAS interface

00:25:28.960 --> 00:25:35.840
instead of being like 60 terab of flash storage in like a ginormous server that

00:25:33.159 --> 00:25:39.120
has oodles and oodles of read and WR bandwidth and can handle hundreds and

00:25:37.399 --> 00:25:43.880
hundreds of thousands of iops to like this you know Ballin interface thing

00:25:42.559 --> 00:25:49.240
anyway so the problem that they're going to run into is the same one as before it's a lot of capacity it's a single

00:25:47.760 --> 00:25:53.720
interface still so you're not really getting a performance benefit for the

00:25:50.840 --> 00:26:00.679
size and last but not least there is not really a cost benefit because you still

00:25:56.679 --> 00:26:02.919
have to buy all of those flash d so

00:26:00.679 --> 00:26:07.200
let's go ahead and see if we can find the

00:26:04.039 --> 00:26:10.399
uh let's see where where is it blah blah

00:26:07.200 --> 00:26:11.600
blah how many how many how many packages

00:26:10.399 --> 00:26:16.120
can't remember it was something ridiculous and unfortunately this

00:26:14.039 --> 00:26:19.240
version of the article doesn't have that information there was a different one

00:26:17.360 --> 00:26:25.159
that I was looking at when I was just like tooling around reading about this

00:26:21.919 --> 00:26:25.919
but uh blah blah blah wow this is great

00:26:25.159 --> 00:26:31.440
the actual the actual marketing line for

00:26:28.440 --> 00:26:34.440
this is reach one pyte of storage with

00:26:31.440 --> 00:26:36.360
only 17

00:26:34.440 --> 00:26:41.159
drives wow

00:26:38.679 --> 00:26:46.960
fantastic um right now it is only a demo unit in

00:26:44.640 --> 00:26:52.520
fact we have reached out to Seagate asking if they can get us a unit just

00:26:49.399 --> 00:26:54.200
for like another an episode of of holy

00:26:52.520 --> 00:26:58.360
[ __ ] or something like that cuz this thing's going to cost like if I had to

00:26:56.399 --> 00:27:04.240
guess I'd say it's going to cost over2 $5,000 for sure probably more depending

00:27:02.159 --> 00:27:07.840
on who exactly the target is because the performance of it is shockingly not that

00:27:06.720 --> 00:27:15.880
bad again this is something that was covered in the other article I was looking at and unfortunately isn't in

00:27:11.000 --> 00:27:19.039
this one um 4 terabytes per watt of

00:27:15.880 --> 00:27:22.320
power consumption that's fantastic uh

00:27:19.039 --> 00:27:24.640
ultra dense n technology from Micron and

00:27:22.320 --> 00:27:31.520
uses a unique approach where Seagate is actually still using a single controller

00:27:28.240 --> 00:27:33.440
to access all of the nand flash so then

00:27:31.520 --> 00:27:38.559
they're just using what are effectively kind of like like switch switch

00:27:35.320 --> 00:27:40.600
technology to allow each uh like each

00:27:38.559 --> 00:27:43.919
channel of the controller to access many many many more flash dies than they

00:27:42.039 --> 00:27:48.399
otherwise would prary controller they developed or is it something else well

00:27:45.399 --> 00:27:50.320
cate's been investing very very heavily

00:27:48.399 --> 00:27:55.640
in in Flash even though they don't actually Fab anything as I recall um so

00:27:54.080 --> 00:27:59.760
yeah it wouldn't surprise me and they I mean they acquired um they acquired LSi

00:27:58.320 --> 00:28:04.120
while back yeah more companies seem to be getting involved and didn't WD um

00:28:01.919 --> 00:28:09.600
start um trying to get involved with with nand not yeah they purchased s disc

00:28:06.440 --> 00:28:11.080
or maybe that through no I I think that

00:28:09.600 --> 00:28:16.120
happened I remember hearing about it but I could be wrong uh it said no complet

00:28:14.000 --> 00:28:19.600
2016 completes the ex so a couple month like three months ago they they finished

00:28:17.600 --> 00:28:23.240
up with that yep okay all right so I guess that's pretty

00:28:21.760 --> 00:28:28.480
much all there is to it there's a 60 terabyte SSD which is four times the

00:28:25.960 --> 00:28:36.279
capacity of the next leading SSD Samsung's PM whatever it's called PM

00:28:33.159 --> 00:28:37.559
1633a which is a 15 TB SSD we had

00:28:36.279 --> 00:28:41.799
actually reached out to Samsung that's in a 2 and a half inch form factor though by the way we had actually

00:28:40.279 --> 00:28:46.120
reached out to Samsung about getting us one of those and they were they were not

00:28:43.559 --> 00:28:50.880
able to do so nor did they even reply to our emails I actually I actually wanted

00:28:48.559 --> 00:28:53.799
it for a specific project I wanted it for the world's most expensive

00:28:52.720 --> 00:28:59.240
PlayStation 4 a water cooled PlayStation 4 with you

00:28:56.840 --> 00:29:04.480
know 15 terabytes of solid state storage I thought that' be pretty cool but no

00:29:02.240 --> 00:29:10.320
all right also from The Flash Summit tashiba and the original article here is

00:29:06.399 --> 00:29:13.799
from the register. co.uk to sheba's an

00:29:10.320 --> 00:29:17.559
even higher capacity

00:29:13.799 --> 00:29:19.600
SSD quad level cell uh yes I'm assuming

00:29:17.559 --> 00:29:23.600
that's what the Q stands for yeah so four bits per cell which we should

00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:27.320
probably explain a little bit um there there's a fastest Possible episode about

00:29:25.919 --> 00:29:33.080
bits per sale why don't you do that explanation I been doing a lot of talking I'm going to go get a drink of

00:29:30.120 --> 00:29:39.000
water you explain why QC flash okay it's been a while since I've looked at this

00:29:36.080 --> 00:29:43.720
but the gist of it is that so if you are buying an SSD usually what you'll see on

00:29:41.760 --> 00:29:50.960
the product page is it'll indicate whether the SSD is SLC mlc or TLC and

00:29:48.440 --> 00:29:56.679
what that refers to is how many bits of data each little memory cell um inside

00:29:53.360 --> 00:29:59.360
the Nan flash can hold so an SLC Drive

00:29:56.679 --> 00:30:05.320
Can Only Hold one bit per cell whereas a TLC Drive can hold three and more sounds

00:30:03.240 --> 00:30:09.320
better as far as um it just more obviously sounds better but uh the

00:30:06.919 --> 00:30:14.000
capacity but as far as capacity sounds better but um usually TLC drives they

00:30:12.120 --> 00:30:21.720
tend to be um a little bit slower performance- wise um so this is a new Q

00:30:19.240 --> 00:30:24.919
qlc drive that holds four bits per cell so we might be able to see some really

00:30:23.480 --> 00:30:28.679
really good capacities with it and indeed they're teasing they this this I

00:30:27.600 --> 00:30:32.519
guess it's a prototype but they're teasing it as being 100 terab so there's

00:30:31.200 --> 00:30:41.000
not a whole lot that's been confirmed right now on this it looks like it's all talk um the the qlc technology was also

00:30:38.480 --> 00:30:45.679
released very recently um it looks like it would be a 3D SSD so um I guess the

00:30:44.120 --> 00:30:50.760
company that's most famous for this is Samsung because they marketed their um

00:30:47.559 --> 00:30:52.679
3D their 3D um ssds pretty heavily we

00:30:50.760 --> 00:30:58.000
instead of having the chips all on one plane they're actually stacked like so

00:30:55.039 --> 00:31:03.120
so it'll increase uh the data density um so we're looking at a 3D SSD with um

00:31:00.679 --> 00:31:09.760
PCIe gen 3 interface so it's not SATA it's PCI Express um over 100 terab of

00:31:06.080 --> 00:31:12.279
capacity and oh high L this um 3 gabes a

00:31:09.760 --> 00:31:16.960
second uh sequ sequential read and 1 Gaby per second um sequential right um

00:31:14.840 --> 00:31:20.880
three gigabytes per second yeah that's that's quite a bit more than like

00:31:18.519 --> 00:31:24.720
Samsung has their 950 which is I think their their highest in thing right now

00:31:22.320 --> 00:31:28.320
that I can find but um three I think is almost a whole gig higher than that if

00:31:26.840 --> 00:31:33.120
my memory serves me correctly yeah and it's not even NVMe either because this

00:31:30.440 --> 00:31:38.080
is uh let's see what like what interface is it even using uh blah blah blah blah

00:31:36.679 --> 00:31:42.440
blah blah blah blah blah well that's that's a big deal isn't it because um

00:31:40.240 --> 00:31:47.840
more bits per cell usually means it's a bit slower yeah so yeah but I mean so

00:31:45.240 --> 00:31:52.559
but this is but because it's it's 3D and it's in vme so so there's a couple of

00:31:50.399 --> 00:32:00.120
things to bear in mind here so you've got a lot of Nan dies you have many many

00:31:56.799 --> 00:32:02.320
many many many flash chips that you can

00:32:00.120 --> 00:32:04.639
read from and you can write too so assuming your controller isn't a

00:32:03.559 --> 00:32:10.480
bottleneck assuming you have a sophisticated enough controller you can

00:32:06.799 --> 00:32:14.000
do these massive throughput numbers MH

00:32:10.480 --> 00:32:15.960
even though we're talking qlc flash

00:32:14.000 --> 00:32:19.440
which it surprises me that they're putting this in an Enterprise product

00:32:17.360 --> 00:32:23.000
first quite frankly well I think um it seems to be focused more on kind of like

00:32:21.480 --> 00:32:26.760
playing the copy paste game or moving huge files around because also you look

00:32:25.279 --> 00:32:32.000
at the random read and write which is measured in iOS is only 50,000 and

00:32:29.639 --> 00:32:37.360
14,000 for read write respectively and you it's extremely easy to find very

00:32:34.279 --> 00:32:39.960
affordable consumer level SATA SSD I

00:32:37.360 --> 00:32:45.360
think SATA ssds yeah SATA ssds that have numbers way above that so it see it

00:32:42.519 --> 00:32:48.120
seems to be more suited for a media Farm where you're moving around huge files

00:32:46.799 --> 00:32:53.600
where you get those sorts of like really good speeds like something that I would even okay so here again like here's

00:32:51.320 --> 00:32:58.360
something I would wonder are you even better off let's say you were um you

00:32:56.799 --> 00:33:02.039
were one of one of Netflix's uh one of Netflix's things

00:33:00.639 --> 00:33:10.399
where they want to install their Hardware in an isp's um space MH right

00:33:05.960 --> 00:33:13.440
so so I the term is escaping me but it's

00:33:10.399 --> 00:33:16.799
it's Friday okay it's Friday it's been a

00:33:13.440 --> 00:33:18.840
long week for everyone so if I was

00:33:16.799 --> 00:33:24.440
Netflix the idea is I want to use as little rack space as possible I want to

00:33:20.919 --> 00:33:27.000
store as many movies as I can and I want

00:33:24.440 --> 00:33:33.559
to serve as many customers without unnecessary and buffering as I can so

00:33:31.440 --> 00:33:38.760
very high-capacity drives look like well hey that might be a very very very good

00:33:35.559 --> 00:33:40.840
ideah mhm except that by the time you

00:33:38.760 --> 00:33:45.200
are starting to hit these drives with a lot of random operations are they even

00:33:43.120 --> 00:33:48.919
any better off than mechanical well couldn't you split your workload then

00:33:46.480 --> 00:33:53.679
like like let's say just just accesses to your web page or things like

00:33:51.200 --> 00:33:58.240
validating a login could couldn't you do that with like something faster on the

00:33:56.000 --> 00:34:02.039
random and then just have the do nothing but um HST videos and then if

00:34:01.080 --> 00:34:05.880
you were going to do that if you're going to split the workload anyway then

00:34:04.200 --> 00:34:10.040
why don't you just have why don't you spread out this data over more drives so

00:34:08.200 --> 00:34:14.760
that people are less likely to be trying to hit the same thing at the same time

00:34:12.800 --> 00:34:18.000
well you you could you could just like buy a bunch of these and array them

00:34:16.679 --> 00:34:24.000
together but then that would get very expensive probably so this is kind of

00:34:20.200 --> 00:34:26.599
scary um the qlc drive would have a 3

00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:29.599
pyte to 6 pyte workload over its lifetime

00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:36.679
so what does that workload over its

00:34:33.679 --> 00:34:39.240
lifetime what that sounds like to me is

00:34:36.679 --> 00:34:43.679
that you could only write this drive and correct me if I'm wrong somewhere

00:34:40.720 --> 00:34:50.480
between 30 to 60 times okay so a paby it's a th TB so so like so a million

00:34:47.919 --> 00:34:54.000
gigabytes yeah would be a petabyte yeah yeah that actually you think of

00:34:52.079 --> 00:34:58.200
something like Netflix that so it seems like you would have to get a lot of

00:34:55.919 --> 00:35:01.920
these so well no so you're right I mean they only change

00:35:00.040 --> 00:35:07.320
their Library every once in a while so as long as they're smart about how they

00:35:03.240 --> 00:35:09.359
utilize them maybe it helps oh no okay

00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:12.040
so hold on a second this is using a PCI Express interface by the way I think I

00:35:10.720 --> 00:35:18.560
might have said it was SAS or something before but yeah no was PCI let's move

00:35:14.119 --> 00:35:20.880
into sponsors for today number one is

00:35:18.560 --> 00:35:24.119
Squarespace and Nick isn't here so I don't have to do the Squarespace read

00:35:22.440 --> 00:35:28.079
the way he says to do it so I'm going to say

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Squarespace old slogans a down Squarespace has many slogans some of

00:35:30.200 --> 00:35:37.760
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00:35:34.320 --> 00:35:39.680
of them well should have been changed

00:35:37.760 --> 00:35:44.280
like square space you should but they did change it yeah they they change it

00:35:41.720 --> 00:35:49.240
all the time now it appears to be Squarespace set your website apart by

00:35:47.160 --> 00:35:53.520
using one of our templated designs okay no but really Squarespace

00:35:51.880 --> 00:35:56.880
is a great way to build a website and not all Squarespace sites look the same

00:35:55.520 --> 00:36:01.000
they have a wide variety of different templates and and once you aium up with

00:35:59.200 --> 00:36:06.040
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00:36:03.640 --> 00:36:09.720
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00:36:08.319 --> 00:36:14.680
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00:36:12.760 --> 00:36:18.359
I was leading oh yes they handle all the hosting so you don't have to worry about

00:36:16.480 --> 00:36:22.119
like a server somewhere that you might accidentally throw a USB drive or

00:36:20.000 --> 00:36:25.520
whatever the case may be and our Squarespace site this is actually this

00:36:23.800 --> 00:36:30.520
is such a fun fact our Squarespace site has never gone down lus Media Group

00:36:28.359 --> 00:36:34.240
well okay it did go down but that was a domain registar issue that actually had

00:36:32.760 --> 00:36:38.599
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00:36:36.040 --> 00:36:43.319
compromised account etc etc anyway um it did not go down because of squarespace's

00:36:40.760 --> 00:36:46.839
service all their templates are future responsive design so it means they look

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00:36:58.160 --> 00:37:03.839
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00:37:01.640 --> 00:37:10.160
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00:37:34.960 --> 00:37:39.960
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00:37:41.160 --> 00:37:48.839
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00:37:46.520 --> 00:37:55.319
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00:37:55.319 --> 00:38:01.800
guess is why they sponsor the W show and also because they're just generally good

00:37:59.640 --> 00:38:07.079
guys we have a number of people here at Linus Media Group that use skills they

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then no I do not have an offer code for that so

00:38:49.280 --> 00:38:58.040
sorry but it's worth it I'm not sure what you're doing reading the wock me no

00:38:56.119 --> 00:39:03.599
what you just said to me oh no no I just know I couldn't see the

00:39:01.920 --> 00:39:07.040
screen through the microphone and you were just like kind of like it looked

00:39:05.000 --> 00:39:10.800
like you were kind of like fawning at the screen or something I was like is he

00:39:08.640 --> 00:39:16.680
playing I just I just wasn't sure what was going on I wasn't sure what was

00:39:12.040 --> 00:39:19.319
going on uh all right denuvo has been

00:39:16.680 --> 00:39:24.200
successfully cracked this has been a long time coming actually denuo has held

00:39:21.720 --> 00:39:31.119
up surprisingly well so for those of you who don't know denuvo is a copy

00:39:26.040 --> 00:39:33.800
protection scheme four games and it's

00:39:31.119 --> 00:39:38.079
over it has been successfully cracked with both doom and Rise of the Tomb

00:39:36.160 --> 00:39:41.839
Raider apparently already available online with a functional bypass for

00:39:40.599 --> 00:39:46.119
denovo's anti-tampering

00:39:43.720 --> 00:39:53.280
technology it was the crack was created by a Bulgarian hacker called VY vxy vxy

00:39:50.560 --> 00:39:59.079
vxy can you do a Bulgarian accent I have no idea what they sound like in Bulgaria

00:39:57.000 --> 00:40:03.960
all right right uh well he's also working on a crack for Just Cause 3

00:40:01.520 --> 00:40:08.839
along with several other recent denuvo titles the crack exploits a bug in Steam

00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:14.160
which allows users to play the full game while steam thinks the game is a free

00:40:10.880 --> 00:40:16.920
demo version it appears as though is

00:40:14.160 --> 00:40:21.680
given that this is a steam steam exploit uh that it could be fixed with a steam

00:40:18.640 --> 00:40:25.000
update so it may not be functional for

00:40:21.680 --> 00:40:27.359
long so there you have it so you will

00:40:25.000 --> 00:40:31.040
either have to buy the game or you you will have to never update steam again

00:40:29.359 --> 00:40:34.359
DRM versus hackers it's just like a never ending battle

00:40:35.240 --> 00:40:40.000
mhm all right Quantum break is

00:40:38.560 --> 00:40:44.040
officially coming to steam this is in our rapid fire news topics let's go

00:40:42.400 --> 00:40:47.800
ahead and drop that in the twitch chat in case you guys are sort of curious

00:40:45.839 --> 00:40:52.119
about it at all let's go ah the original article here is from overclock 3d.

00:40:52.520 --> 00:40:58.160
net I will go ahead and go back to my

00:40:55.720 --> 00:41:03.400
thing so basically it's coming September 14th 2016 so in about a month it this

00:41:01.400 --> 00:41:08.560
will end its exclusivity in the Windows store I would love to say that I think

00:41:06.160 --> 00:41:13.319
this is because Microsoft just has the best interests of Gamers at heart and

00:41:11.160 --> 00:41:16.200
wants to support a more open ecosystem in fact they've even made some

00:41:14.480 --> 00:41:21.400
statements that would seem to support that kind of do not walk on the green

00:41:18.880 --> 00:41:26.200
screen second person I've caught doing that today we're going to have to

00:41:23.480 --> 00:41:31.640
repaint that whole thing that is a hassle that is a royal hassle hash fired

00:41:29.200 --> 00:41:35.880
hash no he's not fired I'm just if he does it again he might

00:41:37.720 --> 00:41:42.680
be oh man anyway sorry uh it includes

00:41:41.160 --> 00:41:47.119
all the updates that are available in the Windows 10 store version will

00:41:44.240 --> 00:41:50.680
support directx11 and will not be a universal Windows platform game meaning

00:41:49.200 --> 00:41:56.240
that any of the limitations that come with that whether they're related to benchmarking multi-GPU or whatever the

00:41:54.240 --> 00:42:02.920
case may be frame rate limits will not be imposed on

00:42:00.240 --> 00:42:07.319
it I'm still a little bit surprised that games that there are Windows App Store

00:42:05.800 --> 00:42:12.480
no sorry not Windows App Store just Windows store exclusive games yeah it

00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:17.640
surprises me a little bit by the time it SNS in for you my hope is that it will

00:42:15.079 --> 00:42:20.280
be over yeah there you go but then again they've demonstrated as they did with

00:42:19.040 --> 00:42:26.559
games for Windows Live that they're willing to stick with a terrible thing for an awful long time before giving up

00:42:24.160 --> 00:42:31.079
that's kind of human nature I guess so yeah well this thing is basically on

00:42:28.760 --> 00:42:36.400
fire but let's stick with it anyway yeah pretty

00:42:32.240 --> 00:42:37.960
much all right let's go ahead and uh oh

00:42:36.400 --> 00:42:44.480
this is kind of fun so the first commercial Mission To The Moon approved

00:42:40.720 --> 00:42:46.800
for Florida company Moon Express I

00:42:44.480 --> 00:42:50.160
already love the name of their company it sounds like a Planet Express from

00:42:48.200 --> 00:42:56.319
furama yeah really like a delivery service to the moon I I have to I have

00:42:53.319 --> 00:42:57.839
to wonder if it's intentional like I

00:42:56.319 --> 00:43:02.200
hope it's intentional that's freaking awesome so the US

00:42:59.480 --> 00:43:07.240
government has given the goad to launch the first commercial mission to the moon

00:43:04.839 --> 00:43:12.760
so the moon Express CEO and co-founder said it's a huge milestone for us not

00:43:10.960 --> 00:43:18.559
quite as catchy as one small step for man one large whatever leap giant giant

00:43:15.920 --> 00:43:22.079
leap thank you for mankind not quite as catchy as that but maybe he didn't have

00:43:20.119 --> 00:43:26.559
quite as long to write it given that he didn't sit in a spacecraft for you know

00:43:24.720 --> 00:43:29.520
a long time before he got there you know I wonder I wonder what the story is

00:43:28.079 --> 00:43:35.480
behind that I'm sure I'm sure it's been talked about like whether he whether it was spontaneous or whether he like

00:43:33.559 --> 00:43:41.040
thought about it and planned it it had to require at least a few minutes of

00:43:37.680 --> 00:43:42.800
pre-planning I mean it's frustrating

00:43:41.040 --> 00:43:49.359
because you're a sports fan so you'll be able to relate to this it's frustrating

00:43:45.760 --> 00:43:53.079
because the greatest moments in sports

00:43:49.359 --> 00:43:55.880
are sometimes made as much by the

00:43:53.079 --> 00:44:00.079
commentator as they are by the athlete oh yeah because they put it the

00:43:57.359 --> 00:44:07.319
appropriate context they get you amped up for it they they they make the moment

00:44:04.319 --> 00:44:09.400
something that goes beyond a fantastic

00:44:07.319 --> 00:44:15.440
athletic feat and something that becomes culturally iconic because you can like

00:44:12.400 --> 00:44:17.119
you can okay so the uh the the the Bobby

00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:24.839
or goal mhm it's amazing to watch but with that

00:44:22.640 --> 00:44:27.680
with that commentation commentary commentation commentary commentary thank

00:44:26.960 --> 00:44:33.079
you with that commentary it's something that like like is like moving to a to a

00:44:31.559 --> 00:44:39.319
hockey fan anyway some most people wouldn't care

00:44:35.319 --> 00:44:42.079
um doesn't it drive you crazy when you

00:44:39.319 --> 00:44:48.280
can tell that they had a sheet of paper on in front of them with like epic

00:44:46.079 --> 00:44:51.960
moment quotes that they've been thinking up over the last month and they just say

00:44:49.839 --> 00:44:55.359
one oh you you can always tell when it's like oh you were staying up late at

00:44:53.680 --> 00:45:01.359
night last week just trying to think of this stuff and now you have your moment

00:44:58.240 --> 00:45:04.200
American commentators are the worst I'm

00:45:01.359 --> 00:45:09.720
sorry in what regard though you could be right depending on doing

00:45:06.880 --> 00:45:17.920
that I notice it so much less on Canadian broadcasts the contrived fake

00:45:14.680 --> 00:45:20.520
nonsense on a big game win especially

00:45:17.920 --> 00:45:24.119
when it's like not a close game like when when the when the outcome has

00:45:22.200 --> 00:45:28.960
basically been decided since the you know middle of the second period or

00:45:26.440 --> 00:45:33.160
beginning yeah where they've got like this quote

00:45:31.720 --> 00:45:38.119
that they were obviously saving that makes it sound like all Epic like an

00:45:34.800 --> 00:45:41.240
epic Triumph when it was just kind of a

00:45:38.119 --> 00:45:42.559
a Beatdown I've SE I've actually seen um

00:45:41.240 --> 00:45:46.760
I don't disagree with you but I have seen it um in other countries as well

00:45:44.640 --> 00:45:51.520
like if I'm watching the like Premier League in English soccer there could be

00:45:48.920 --> 00:45:55.040
a game put away by halftime and then you know the announcer will go on in this

00:45:53.400 --> 00:45:59.319
golf announcer style drone for the second 45 minutes and then when the

00:45:56.520 --> 00:46:03.319
final goes and there it is and I'm just like okay like so I I your point is very

00:46:02.280 --> 00:46:08.680
well taken though I understand what you're saying um all right so back to

00:46:06.079 --> 00:46:14.760
back to going to the Moon um the company has raised more than $30 million so far

00:46:11.000 --> 00:46:16.960
and plan to unveil their MX 1e Lander at

00:46:14.760 --> 00:46:22.000
the Cape caraval Air Station the first launch is targeted for late

00:46:18.880 --> 00:46:24.800
2017 this is kind of funny the FAA has

00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:28.599
not actually issued a launch license yet um and that will be considered

00:46:26.079 --> 00:46:33.319
separately from the itself so while they do have permission to travel between

00:46:31.040 --> 00:46:37.599
Earth's stratosphere and the moon and land there they do not have permission

00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:42.880
to actually what which layer of the atmosphere does the faa's jurisdiction

00:46:39.599 --> 00:46:45.359
end I actually don't I don't know either

00:46:42.880 --> 00:46:50.440
so I don't know if you ask the FAA maybe it never ends you know what it wouldn't

00:46:48.079 --> 00:46:56.160
surprise me all

00:46:53.240 --> 00:46:59.920
right uh what else we got oh the Kansas thing I thought was pretty okay let's

00:46:57.839 --> 00:47:08.400
move on to that where is that oh where is that indeed I saw it Kansas farm sues

00:47:03.000 --> 00:47:10.480
Max Mind Over quote massive IP glitch

00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:13.800
unquote so let's go ahead I'll pull up the original article from The Washington

00:47:11.880 --> 00:47:19.079
Post you want to go ahead and uh get get us going on this yeah so this is pretty

00:47:15.680 --> 00:47:20.920
nuts so maxmind is a company out of

00:47:19.079 --> 00:47:24.839
walan Massachusetts actually ride across the river from from where I lived uh

00:47:22.520 --> 00:47:30.760
when I was in law school and they are a company that maps IP addresses to

00:47:27.720 --> 00:47:33.559
geographical areas now what they did is

00:47:30.760 --> 00:47:39.240
um they had one one point that they considered the default center of the US

00:47:36.559 --> 00:47:44.079
so um and this was and therefore center of the universe exactly hash hashtag

00:47:42.480 --> 00:47:49.559
Canadian commentary okay so and basically what

00:47:46.880 --> 00:47:54.319
this is what the geographic center of of a of a country or anything else is is

00:47:51.920 --> 00:47:57.720
suppose you had um a cardboard cutout shaped exactly like the US and you

00:47:55.839 --> 00:48:01.640
balanced it on a pin the geographic center is where it would bounce like

00:47:59.760 --> 00:48:06.880
where the pin would be and this happened to be very close to these folks folks'

00:48:04.400 --> 00:48:12.720
house that lived in Kansas and so what ended up happening is all this IP

00:48:09.319 --> 00:48:15.160
traffic was being mapped back to

00:48:12.720 --> 00:48:20.119
essentially their front yard and what ended up happening was for years they

00:48:17.319 --> 00:48:25.520
had cops showing up at their door at all hours accusing them of being involved in

00:48:23.079 --> 00:48:29.000
all sorts of crime or or whatever other Shenanigans and there were just this

00:48:26.960 --> 00:48:32.200
like random elderly couple that lived on the farm or something had no idea what

00:48:30.319 --> 00:48:37.079
was going on so

00:48:34.280 --> 00:48:45.319
basically Max mind is responsible for mapping IP addresses and they used this

00:48:41.400 --> 00:48:49.520
this geographical center as the default

00:48:45.319 --> 00:48:53.319
location for any us-based IP address MH

00:48:49.520 --> 00:48:54.799
so let's say that you know um oh man

00:48:53.319 --> 00:48:58.359
like what even would be an example of something that didn't have a proper IP

00:48:56.440 --> 00:49:03.680
address and they just default like why would they even be doing this I I I'm it

00:49:02.160 --> 00:49:08.319
was a little bit unclear from the story honestly maybe if someone was like you

00:49:05.720 --> 00:49:12.119
know using a VPN but even then like so sometimes when mapping IPS apparently

00:49:10.000 --> 00:49:17.240
they are able to only determine the country of origin that's it yeah okay so

00:49:14.520 --> 00:49:21.000
there it is so so if all all they know is oh you're somewhere in the United

00:49:18.760 --> 00:49:24.720
States you get mapped to this random place in Kansas I mean these are some of

00:49:22.599 --> 00:49:29.440
the complaints that this poor family has been dealing with um they've been

00:49:27.079 --> 00:49:33.559
accused of interrupting email service for customers of a certain small

00:49:31.640 --> 00:49:38.319
business they've been accused of harboring a stolen vehicle harboring

00:49:35.839 --> 00:49:41.839
runaway children and keeping girls in the house to make pornographic films I

00:49:40.200 --> 00:49:47.640
mean I really like how that last one was in quotation marks

00:49:44.040 --> 00:49:49.799
but yeah so so it says um ambulances

00:49:47.640 --> 00:49:54.000
have appeared to prepare to save suicidal persons FBI agents Federal

00:49:52.280 --> 00:49:57.720
Marshals IRS collectors and other law enforcement officers have appeared on

00:49:55.520 --> 00:50:02.079
their doorsteps as all hours of the day and night and even one random morning a

00:49:59.920 --> 00:50:08.280
broken toilet was left in their driveway without explanation all right so max

00:50:04.359 --> 00:50:10.280
mind has since changed their default

00:50:08.280 --> 00:50:14.960
location in the US to the center of a lake west of

00:50:12.119 --> 00:50:19.319
Witchita um but in the meantime the Arnolds have filed a lawsuit against

00:50:16.760 --> 00:50:23.599
macm Max M seeking compensatory and punitive damages in excess of $775,000

00:50:21.160 --> 00:50:28.319
can I make a comment on that yes so the reason they chose that dollar amount um

00:50:25.720 --> 00:50:33.280
in excess of $5,000 so here's the reason for this um super quick crash course in

00:50:30.920 --> 00:50:37.520
jurisdiction of American law so um they followed the case in federal court and

00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:40.480
if you want to file something in federal court in the US there's two require

00:50:39.119 --> 00:50:45.960
there you can do it in one of two ways one is if it involves a federal question

00:50:43.200 --> 00:50:48.839
or a federal law but the other is if there's what's called diversity

00:50:47.160 --> 00:50:52.440
assistantship where is the two parties in this case the old couple and maxide

00:50:51.040 --> 00:50:57.440
or from two different states and they are and the amount in controversy is

00:50:55.520 --> 00:51:02.720
above $755,000 so that's why the there's a sort of

00:50:59.599 --> 00:51:05.160
vague in excess we want in excess of 75

00:51:02.720 --> 00:51:09.359
grand like who knows how much the actual amount they'll get will be but that is

00:51:07.160 --> 00:51:14.280
just sort of like a venue selection trick to get them into federal court as

00:51:11.200 --> 00:51:17.119
opposed to state court so oh I see okay

00:51:14.280 --> 00:51:21.400
makes sense yeah let's move on to a pretty important rumor so the original

00:51:19.839 --> 00:51:27.160
post here is actually from the lineus tech tips Forum because I think uh I

00:51:23.839 --> 00:51:29.200
think they are quickly being wiped out

00:51:27.160 --> 00:51:34.480
and I'm not going to say anything about this because I may or may not actually

00:51:33.040 --> 00:51:41.960
have real information um but basically here

00:51:37.960 --> 00:51:45.319
there's an imer post of what appears to

00:51:41.960 --> 00:51:48.440
be I'm going to read it word for word it

00:51:45.319 --> 00:51:50.160
is this imer post that is the entire

00:51:48.440 --> 00:51:57.760
that is the entire source of of everything that I'm saying it appears to

00:51:52.200 --> 00:52:00.920
be an ASUS Rog stricks g752 vm- GC 0 33t

00:51:57.760 --> 00:52:01.799
7.3 in uh what seems to be a laptop of

00:52:00.920 --> 00:52:09.559
some sort this this potentially completely

00:52:05.480 --> 00:52:10.920
photoshopped page um says that it oh

00:52:09.559 --> 00:52:17.200
okay it seems to be a laptop because it has a core i76700hq processor word next to this

00:52:15.599 --> 00:52:22.240
picture of what appears to be a laptop so I guess the implication being that

00:52:19.240 --> 00:52:29.559
one of those is inside one of those um

00:52:22.240 --> 00:52:33.760
ddr4 8 gig RAM 256 GB s s SDM Period 2

00:52:29.559 --> 00:52:35.400
uh 1tb 72000 RPM something something

00:52:33.760 --> 00:52:44.119
that's a word in a language that I don't understand norian NVIDIA GeForce GTX

00:52:38.960 --> 00:52:46.640
10606gb hm so the implication

00:52:44.119 --> 00:52:51.799
is that a laptop with a

00:52:48.799 --> 00:52:51.799
gtx1060

00:52:51.920 --> 00:52:59.720
6gb could potentially be a thing for uh

00:52:57.280 --> 00:53:04.599
19,999 of whatever the devil these are Norwegian Crone is that is that right I

00:53:02.319 --> 00:53:08.440
I think that's what it said I wish I wish Luke were here because Luke is very

00:53:06.559 --> 00:53:11.720
good at Scandinavian currency we were having a discussion about this the other

00:53:09.720 --> 00:53:17.880
day that's an interesting Talent don't worry about

00:53:14.079 --> 00:53:19.119
it um so an interesting actually no I'm

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not going to point out anything that's interesting about it there were also some uh let's see if any of the other

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listings are still are still live it looks like this stuff is being pulled

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down so all the links that were originally given for

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expert. are Y no NOP not I don't know

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what any of this is but it definitely isn't that

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so H very very interesting very

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interesting I like Scandinavian letters where is Luke anyway

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Britain that's as much information as I have that's all the information I have

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too all right self diving Tesla original

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article here is from the telegraph.co.uk saves a man's life by steering him to

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the hospital so this opens up an okay let's

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go through the basics the basics of the story first uh so original article from

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Telegraph oh I think I already said that uh originally posted by fake ZZ on the

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Forum so it his Tesla Model X is credited with having helped save an

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American man's life after its autopilot function got him to the hospital when he

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suffered a pulmonary symbolism the man's name is Joshua NE a lawyer from

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Springfield Missouri he called his wife and said something was wrong that he couldn't breathe and thinking it would

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be quicker than pulling over to call an ambulance he set the autopilot

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autonomous function of the Tesla Model X he just got the car a few weeks before

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this happened he doesn't remember much after he set the mode as the car drove

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him over 20 miles to

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Branson he managed to steer the car the last mile or so between the motorway and

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the hospital so this is an interesting

00:54:57.559 --> 00:55:06.839
debate mhm how is it that we consider Tesla's

00:55:03.839 --> 00:55:08.799
autopilot record because a couple people

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have died now do they get one in the bank if

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autopilot Saves a Life Is that how it is that how it works like life saved versus

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lives taken I don't know I'm not making the rules for this I'm just asking

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questions we're going to straw pull this friends we have got a straw pull this go

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ahead hit me I mean I I

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mean I feel like this was inevitable

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when you have when the design when whoever's idea this was first said hey

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why don't we try to make a self-driving car but I I don't know how how do you

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measure something like this whether or not like this is a good or bad thing

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because okay I'll say this so how much

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testing has been done versus death rate

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because people who just drive regular cars both kill themselves and other

00:56:04.440 --> 00:56:10.280
people all the time yeah so even though

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it's easy to say oh you can't trust these computers to drive cars if their

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fatality rate is still much lower than you know some random person behind the

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wheel but you're you're okay the problem

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though is that you're approaching this from a very

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um a very scientific standpoint like a

00:56:28.920 --> 00:56:36.400
purely fact-based standpoint and the reality of it is even

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for even for people who care more about facts than feelings

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mhm let's say it was you know uh your

00:56:44.200 --> 00:56:51.839
mom MH who died in a self-driving car do

00:56:47.480 --> 00:56:54.079
you care that the odds were better for

00:56:51.839 --> 00:56:58.359
her like that that the overall odds like fewer people would die if we were all in

00:56:56.240 --> 00:57:03.960
self-driving cars do you care your mom's dead M and maybe wouldn't have been dead

00:57:02.039 --> 00:57:08.559
if she had been operating the steering wheel like that's something to consider

00:57:06.520 --> 00:57:12.280
is that while it's easy to kind of go oh the greater good and this and that that

00:57:10.799 --> 00:57:19.960
doesn't change that you're going to be dealing with people who are inherently

00:57:16.720 --> 00:57:21.599
emotionally distraught and very upset

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and prepared to make a very loud noise about why self-driving cars are are bad

00:57:24.359 --> 00:57:31.880
if someone close to them dies in one or is seriously injured in one whereas we

00:57:28.599 --> 00:57:34.640
all accept just because of because we've

00:57:31.880 --> 00:57:40.400
all been born into a world where cars operated by people are the norm we all

00:57:37.200 --> 00:57:42.960
accept the risks that come along with a

00:57:40.400 --> 00:57:47.559
manually operated car people also like to feel like they're in control which is

00:57:44.799 --> 00:57:50.400
why people tend to be more afraid of flying than they are of driving even

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though flying is statistically much safer you have a feeling of not being in control and if something goes wrong

00:57:53.079 --> 00:58:01.000
there's nothing you can do about it that's right and I would also make the argument that flying is a much more

00:57:57.680 --> 00:58:02.440
terrifying way to die because there I

00:58:01.000 --> 00:58:08.000
can think of very few scenarios where you won't have an awful lot of time to think about

00:58:05.160 --> 00:58:11.680
it yeah and you just like plummet for quite a while I I don't know what the

00:58:09.839 --> 00:58:20.880
terminal velocity of a human being is but it's not that high yeah so no it's

00:58:16.039 --> 00:58:23.720
not so we've got 65% of you saying yes

00:58:20.880 --> 00:58:28.559
we can evaluate autopilot systems on the on the bank system well to be fair in

00:58:26.319 --> 00:58:32.760
one out you come out net even when these start becoming more mainstream I feel

00:58:30.960 --> 00:58:35.599
like this is how we're going to make decisions on them like this is how

00:58:34.240 --> 00:58:39.440
governments are going to regulate them this is the way that companies are going

00:58:37.359 --> 00:58:45.119
to be approaching safety it's so it's ultimately going to affect like how

00:58:41.480 --> 00:58:45.119
people use them

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so I don't know I just I'm I'm wondering

00:58:48.880 --> 00:58:56.520
with the whole you know the marsh of progress and all that like I'm wondering

00:58:52.280 --> 00:58:59.599
how much voices of people um that oh I

00:58:56.520 --> 00:59:01.319
lost a loved one in a in a self-driving

00:58:59.599 --> 00:59:05.839
car accident and maybe I wouldn't have had they actually been controlling the

00:59:03.000 --> 00:59:08.880
car I wonder if those vo will just kind voices will just end up being lost in

00:59:08.000 --> 00:59:14.880
the conversation because ultimately I think we're going to make decisions based on

00:59:12.680 --> 00:59:18.079
more what are the numbers I don't know I mean the thing is is that it's pretty

00:59:16.280 --> 00:59:22.599
hard to lose a voice in the conversation these days with social media being what

00:59:19.760 --> 00:59:27.440
it is that's true yeah I mean people can you know with through amplification

00:59:24.599 --> 00:59:32.039
factors like Twitter and read Tak just one viral incident and then suddenly the

00:59:30.200 --> 00:59:38.079
conversation changes you know at least a little bit so and at the end of the day

00:59:35.280 --> 00:59:42.960
I mean any politician is at the mercy of the voters so

00:59:41.079 --> 00:59:48.000
whatever they can do quietly behind closed doors that is something that

00:59:45.440 --> 00:59:51.240
their voters wouldn't agree with is all fine and good but as soon as something

00:59:49.799 --> 00:59:56.720
goes viral and there's a bunch of pressure and it looks like they might actually not get reelected if you're a

00:59:54.319 --> 01:00:01.720
career politician not getting re-elected is like getting fired effectively

00:59:59.200 --> 01:00:05.599
exactly or like or you know if you're let's say a senator and you have to go

01:00:03.200 --> 01:00:11.720
back to being the mayor of you know three sticks Nebraska then you know

01:00:09.240 --> 01:00:15.240
that's it's like getting a huge demotion M um with and with the incumbency

01:00:13.920 --> 01:00:19.720
advantage it does become a career I think I don't know how it is in Canada but like in the US House incumbency

01:00:18.319 --> 01:00:23.920
success rate in election is like over 90% like most of these people were there

01:00:21.359 --> 01:00:29.960
for a long time so basically we're looking at something that is potentially

01:00:25.680 --> 01:00:32.799
very emotional and um and can be driven

01:00:29.960 --> 01:00:37.400
by fear absolutely so I don't know yeah I mean because yeah I mean how many self

01:00:35.440 --> 01:00:41.359
or like autonomous vehicles other than cars are there there still really aren't

01:00:39.240 --> 01:00:45.680
all that many like most Metro systems and train systems they have a human

01:00:42.799 --> 01:00:50.480
conductor or or or a human driver you know sky has one I think there might be

01:00:49.200 --> 01:00:56.400
a remote controller though I'm actually not sure as slow as a Sky Train is I don't see how it matters

01:00:54.200 --> 01:01:02.480
but okay if you're going to hate on the sky Train hate on the sky train right

01:00:59.440 --> 01:01:06.520
okay the sky Train doesn't go

01:01:02.480 --> 01:01:09.160
anywhere it covers such a tiny fraction

01:01:06.520 --> 01:01:12.200
of the Greater Vancouver area that it's basically

01:01:10.240 --> 01:01:14.880
irrelevant our Master Trans in North Carolina's a joke too I'm not trying to

01:01:13.359 --> 01:01:18.960
pick on Vancouver it's it's just it's bad so all right well speaking of things

01:01:17.880 --> 01:01:24.640
that are bad the end of the

01:01:21.280 --> 01:01:26.720
show is bad because the show's ending

01:01:24.640 --> 01:01:29.280
not because the show's bad maybe the show was bad well that that

01:01:27.880 --> 01:01:34.720
would make if it was a bad if it was a bad show it would be good at sending so

01:01:31.480 --> 01:01:34.720
yes maybe I'll do a straw

01:01:36.079 --> 01:01:41.720
pull is the show bad or the end

01:01:42.799 --> 01:01:48.039
bad the show is bad hey show was bad actually leave it like that is perfect

01:01:46.839 --> 01:01:53.039
the end is bad this poll is

01:01:50.279 --> 01:01:57.119
bad all right let's find out what's bad and I did not put an option for

01:01:55.480 --> 01:02:00.119
Michael Jackson

01:02:01.760 --> 01:02:08.240
oh all right it has been a long week it's been

01:02:06.400 --> 01:02:11.119
a very long week I don't even know why probably because last week was a holiday

01:02:09.880 --> 01:02:19.160
week we're also a little bit short-handed this week yeah we're a little short-handed this week

01:02:16.119 --> 01:02:20.520
um what was Luke not here Brandon's out

01:02:19.160 --> 01:02:26.520
today MH what with people hating people hating

01:02:24.599 --> 01:02:30.520
they're say yeah every single every single voter is saying something's bad

01:02:28.760 --> 01:02:34.319
it's like look at this negativity they mostly hate your poll they mostly hate

01:02:32.440 --> 01:02:36.920
my poll mm I can tell you one person who doesn't hate my

01:02:37.279 --> 01:03:04.640
poll I'm not going to say it see you next week same bad time same bad Channel

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yeah always