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so just you know be aware that I'm broadcasting it's fine you can keep

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and you guys are coming on board welcome to the WAN Show it's going to be me and

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we're going to be trolling tan and it'll be up to you guys to decide which of

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late today okay so I would love to tell you about that but I went and I left it

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um I left it over there well whatever I was working on a video yeah actually

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yeah Pella do you mind grabbing that green and black video card that's kind of next to the inventory station sweet

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pella's going to bring it over for us oh you haven't been introduced to Pella

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pupils are huge uh it could be all of the drugs that I took it's not that easy

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wow it's so nice having the stream work properly the only thing that doesn't

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excuses that's the whole point all right let's jump right into what I personally

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consider to be the big news this week so

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the original article here is from wccftech when I saw this I pretty much

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went bananas look at that AMD Zen

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the Summit Ridge CPU is apparently faster than the Intel Cor 5

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4670 in the um whatever it is yes ashes

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program yes my friends I just covered

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for a weird grammatical slip up by pretending that the pauses were

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intentional it was very convincing that's a pro tip by the way I didn't get

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away with it did I when I have your job one day I'll keep that in mind okay all

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profit okay so let's let's talk about this a little bit first of all yes I

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rumor mill but sometimes they do hit on things so bit of a rumor mill I mean

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today all right um and there are things

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that you can consider there are things that you can do to sort of vet a

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that that can be credible or it can be

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non-credible because some benchmarks it's just a matter of like editing a

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text string somewhere and you can make a product show up as though it is

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something else whereas other benchmarks especially ones where the publisher in

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processor ID shows up as Intel engineering sample whatever whatever

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code name usually those are pretty credible okay number two is

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like the the old quote if I recall correct correctly you'll have to forgive

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me AMD has changed the story a number of times on this but the old quote was that

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they would ship Zen in late 2016 we are now getting towards well

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2017 the timing for this leak is perfect

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motherboards and chipsets because it's been like what 5 years that will make no

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getting a new chipset with support for ddr4 finally uh support for PCI Express

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technology that their CPUs and motherboards do not and even if you

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aren't um even if you're running like sort of the middle of the road or even a

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high-end GPU that's not going to saturate a pcie2 lane it also means you

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can't take advantage of like the new storage options as well if you're running an older PCI revision that's

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motherboard makers don't have some of the first working silicon in their Labs

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shipped otherwise you might as well just hang the CPUs on your Christmas tree

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with that said okay this kind of a funny funny thing AMD has done that before

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yeah yeah I don't I don't remember which one it was but basically it was it wasn't a huge delay it was like a couple

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of days but like the CPUs were in stock you could build some hype that way I

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a game that you also need to buy like like a special controller for and then

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you have to pay shipping on the order separately so like Guitar Hero but to

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library and then not having the plastic guitar yet exactly exactly okay

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um what kind of performance we're seeing out of it an early leak that indicates

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that Zen at $200 is going to crap all

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somewhere who wants people to be hyped up about AMD that's it doesn't have much

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credibility whereas this rumor looks

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so let's get through this blah blah blah okay so the benchmarks so first of

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all and this is another important disclaimer the benchmarks are of an engineering sample and may not be

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manufacturers and presumably that's that's where this ultimately came from

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at some point uh but if motherboard manufacturers or anyone else who has

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um has silicon that they're actually using to validate anything it's probably

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pretty far along like there are sometimes very early chips that are

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clocked much much lower than the eventual retail ones end up being but

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that's earlier on in the development process where there's still time to like

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tape it out again for example I don't think AMD is looking at if they're going

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to be launching the chip sometime in the next know 3 to 6 months actually okay

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maybe but that would be very tight like I don't think we're going to see

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anything that's dramatically different from what's here maybe some tweak clock

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speeds maybe this is a lower-end skew hard to say um it was tested with an

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unnamed motherboard and an rx480 graphics card and the 1080p average

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frame rates and Ashes of the singularity showed 58 FPS for the Zen engineering

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benchmarks have since been pulled down by the

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source so AMD Zen are you still hyped well I

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it CPU bound at all I feel like it might be there there there's some CPU yeah so

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process and I know there's like a lot more to it than just the transistor size

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but it's what Intel is currently using as well so it's it's been such a long

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time since 2011 since we got anything new from them is in terms of

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architecture so it's also been completely redesigned

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uh by the team that was led by Jim Keller who has actually since moved on

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to Tesla which is sort of a shame although AMD says that the groundwork

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couple of years though my concern then if I were say for example an AMD

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investor or an AMD fan would be well gee

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it and you iterated on it after he left and then just kind of kept iterating on

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it after he left and that was sort of all we had for the next I don't know 10

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let's get this straw poll up so I just posted a straw poll are you guys still

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amped for Zen let's see the results here

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boom 45% of you saying

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yes with 9% of you saying no and 45% of

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you saying you never were so basically in a nutshell this has not really

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dampened the spirits of anyone who was

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legitimately excited about Zen in the first place and you know what I am

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performance crown that is actually not what we need at all because at the

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performance Crown level is not where Intel has been stagnant you look back at

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3960x the first six core

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consumer uh but they gave us a six core consumer okay the generation after that

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they gave us a six core consumer for a little over half the price of the

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previous one and a faster six core in the

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the core count and they drove pricing of six cores no wait no that 5820 was still

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a hold on yeah 5820k was still a six core if I recall correctly right it just

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it just has fewer PCI Lanes than some of the other ones do that's right 28 PCI

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Express Lanes versus 40 so at the

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Enthusiast level okay we got an eight core we still got a cheaper six core and

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we got an even cheaper six core but with few PCI elans which quite frankly for

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consumers is completely irrelevant you can quote me on that especially these

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days with the SLI limitations that's right and then and I mean even in the

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previous days when the SLI wasn't limited but you shouldn't have been doing it anyway yeah it's still scaled

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horribly so just why exactly and then in

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the latest generation we got a 10 core at the top range which is sort of more

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of a moving the bar of the top range and less of delivering us a 10 core for what

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and six cores for and I think in particular the 6800k is a pretty

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compelling skew on the Enthusiast platform you get six cores really high

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clock speeds and you get overclocking

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the performance Crown Halo tier and the

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lower price in fact if they both had

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processor they started this thing and people forget that so so that's not the

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problem the problem is that Intel has the luxury of holding not only the

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performance Crown but also the

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mainstream Enthusiast segment where AMD

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is only really competing in the very

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low-end range with their apus and in the

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desperate AMD Fanboy range with their FX

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CPUs that's all AMD really has so

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because Intel is not putting any pressure on their Enthusiast processors

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by continuing to sell us quad cores for an

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entire decade an entire decade Intel has

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said quadcore is enough for the mainstream and you know what they're probably right but that isn't the point

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of what I'm saying the point is they are not giving us the other stuff because

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they don't have to because the only one putting pressure on the Enthusiast

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making us do a cost per performance per core value calculation on the Enthusiast

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chips is Intel and they're going no yeah

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that's how much a six core costs because if you want to spend less all you can

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get a quad core and you can argue till you're blue in the face about amds six

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cores and eight cores but let's get real performance matters how many cores you

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write on the side of the Box doesn't matter and Intel's 8 cores have nothing

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to do or rather AMD's eight cores have nothing to do with Intel's 8 cores

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they're not they're not the same thing yeah they're not even comparable in terms of like single threaded and all

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that so no they're not even yeah

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yeah it's it's not even it's not even a conversation so am I amped for Zen

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knowing that Zen is not necessarily going to go toe-to-toe with the 6700k

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that's not the point of Zen absolutely I Ed exactly if Zen gives us great

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performance at 200 bucks then mission

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accomplished AMD will have effectively dramatically increased their average

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selling price if they can move a bunch of new generation FX whatever it is they

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end up calling them FX Zen CPUs I actually don't know what the branding is

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going to be for them but if they can move a whack ton of those it'll drive up

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AMD's asps that's their average sell price it will improve AMD's

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profitability give them money to spend on R&D which they have been sorely

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lacking and maybe give them a shot to come back with another punch after Zen

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that really puts some pressure on Intel in the meantime giving people who want

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to buy a high performance value computer

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a legitimate option because after the $200 Mark even like closer to 230 bucks

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diminishing returns yeah Intel really starts to to lock you down they kind of

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go okay yeah we're going to really start to ramp down clock speed I actually did a lot of analysis on Intel's lineup for

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a video that I worked on recently called Which Intel CPU should I buy um don't

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worry there will be an AMD followup but I'm waiting for Zen because right now

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the answer is a cheap Apu if you want a cheap machine that runs an APU um

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so I did a lot of research and you start to get into dual cores really quickly

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down at the bottom of Intel's lineup and the reality of it is when it comes to

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cost of the Silicon there is no real reason that Intel should still be

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shipping a dual core at least not over

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$100 so I would love for Zen to bring

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the fight to Intel in that mainstream segment in a real meaningful way in much

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the same way that rx480 has been a Smash Hit at the $200 to $250 price Point even

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though AMD doesn't have an answer for anything above that yeah it's a very

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similar strategy you know um because rx48 is not designed they're not

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targeting like the GTX 1080 they're targeting the middle of the market and

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it looks like they're going to be doing the same thing with Zen which makes a lot of sense I think people are kind of

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tired of uh being quote unquote trapped in you know Intel's ecosystem because if

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you want like a modern CPU they're kind of your only option and and in addition

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to paying like that sort of extra you know Intel tax if you will on just just

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like you were talking about so yeah and I mean there's more to there's more to

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Modern than just the CPU because I would even make the argument that you know you

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could buy used Intel Hardware you could go grab a

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3770k overclock that still a really good processor great processor and you know

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if you want to go back to the Enthusiast platform ones assuming you can find a

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board and I talk about this in my what CPU should I buy video but assuming you

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can find a board uh you can go back to something like a 3960x mhm you can get

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those on Amazon for like 180 200 bucks I saw them used yeah and I haven't checked

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out Ebay lately but like yeah you can get like a six core for a pretty good value overclock the snot out of that

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thing the problem is the platform so you're going to be missing a lot of usb3

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ports you're going to be missing USB 3.1 10 gigabit for sure you're going to be

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missing m.2 you're going to be missing um things that require BIOS level

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support even though the hardware is there so something like an NVMe SSD that

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goes into a PCI E slot you're not going to have support for that be bottleneck

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by that by the inter by the board yeah yep well not even just that um the

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motherboard manufacturer has to specifically enable it yeah they have to

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add bio support for it and let's face it

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you show me a motherboard manufacturer that cares about their motherboards

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after the product cycle is over and I

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will show you an incredulous face like this I like to say I'll put a unicorn in

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your driveway that's good too yeah I'll put a unicorn in your incredulous face

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bam all right

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so uh let's see what are people saying

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they're saying they have expansion slots so it's not quite that is a good point

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yeah but there's some stuff that you will not get with an expansion slot

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Thunderbolt comes to mind Thunderbolt must have support at the board level

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before you can add an expansion card to it even though some other boards do

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support expansion cards um notably the Rampage 5 extreme that I have in my

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personal rig doesn't have it on board but there's a header like a data header

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that you can plug in this specific expansion card and that specifically

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will work native support just seems to play more nicely with things overall

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that's right so like I I know like on the upcoming um the KB Lake from Intel

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is going to have native I think um USB

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3.1 perhaps without needing like an addin chip I think KB Lake was also

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going to add uh Thunderbolt Thunderbolt 3 that that's what it might both no I

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think I think you're right actually it was one or the other it had three in it I just remember that but yeah all

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right um so the flash memory Summit this is sort of a big deal if you're into if

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you're into that kind of thing the original article here is from n Gadget

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have you not been able to load this up yet I have two factors so my phone yeah

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just go get it okay yeah that's fine don't worry don't worry I'm I'm all good

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I'm all good in the hood seagate's new 60 terabyte SSD

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dwarfs others on the market and we're

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talking both in terms of the capacity and in terms of the actual physical size

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Now seat's 60 TB SSD that they showed

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off is not the first 3 and a half in SSD

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that I've ever seen in fact let's see if I can find a picture of it the ocz

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Colossus with a whopping two star rating

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over on newegg.ca here the ocz Colossus

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took a similar approach back in oh man

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when was this like around 2013 2012

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something something like that I want to say where they just went to a three and

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a half inch form factor solely so that they could stuff more flash chips onto a

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larger PCB in order to ship a capacity that otherwise wasn't possible the

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problem with the Colossus and the reason that you're not going to be buying one

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of Cate 60 terab ssds unless you are I actually have no idea who the

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customers are for these no idea video production companies maybe no I don't

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think I'm kidding I don't think so like who needs 60 terab of solid state

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storage and doesn't already have like like on a single Drive okay yeah on a

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single drive with a sass interface I mean the cheap way the the incredibly

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cheap response here would be no one will ever need more than 64 KB of RAM but you

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make I said it was a cheap response you make a good point that is a cheap

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response especially the fact that it's on a single drive over a well okay it's

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a dual interface drive but over over over just a dual SAS interface

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instead of being like 60 terab of flash storage in like a ginormous server that

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has oodles and oodles of read and WR bandwidth and can handle hundreds and

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hundreds of thousands of iops to like this you know Ballin interface thing

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anyway so the problem that they're going to run into is the same one as before it's a lot of capacity it's a single

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interface still so you're not really getting a performance benefit for the

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size and last but not least there is not really a cost benefit because you still

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have to buy all of those flash d so

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let's go ahead and see if we can find the

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uh let's see where where is it blah blah

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blah how many how many how many packages

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can't remember it was something ridiculous and unfortunately this

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version of the article doesn't have that information there was a different one

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that I was looking at when I was just like tooling around reading about this

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but uh blah blah blah wow this is great

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the actual the actual marketing line for

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this is reach one pyte of storage with

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only 17

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drives wow

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fantastic um right now it is only a demo unit in

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fact we have reached out to Seagate asking if they can get us a unit just

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for like another an episode of of holy

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[ __ ] or something like that cuz this thing's going to cost like if I had to

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guess I'd say it's going to cost over2 $5,000 for sure probably more depending

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on who exactly the target is because the performance of it is shockingly not that

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bad again this is something that was covered in the other article I was looking at and unfortunately isn't in

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this one um 4 terabytes per watt of

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power consumption that's fantastic uh

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ultra dense n technology from Micron and

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uses a unique approach where Seagate is actually still using a single controller

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to access all of the nand flash so then

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they're just using what are effectively kind of like like switch switch

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technology to allow each uh like each

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channel of the controller to access many many many more flash dies than they

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otherwise would prary controller they developed or is it something else well

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cate's been investing very very heavily

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in in Flash even though they don't actually Fab anything as I recall um so

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yeah it wouldn't surprise me and they I mean they acquired um they acquired LSi

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while back yeah more companies seem to be getting involved and didn't WD um

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start um trying to get involved with with nand not yeah they purchased s disc

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or maybe that through no I I think that

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happened I remember hearing about it but I could be wrong uh it said no complet

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2016 completes the ex so a couple month like three months ago they they finished

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up with that yep okay all right so I guess that's pretty

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much all there is to it there's a 60 terabyte SSD which is four times the

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capacity of the next leading SSD Samsung's PM whatever it's called PM

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1633a which is a 15 TB SSD we had

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actually reached out to Samsung that's in a 2 and a half inch form factor though by the way we had actually

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reached out to Samsung about getting us one of those and they were they were not

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able to do so nor did they even reply to our emails I actually I actually wanted

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it for a specific project I wanted it for the world's most expensive

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PlayStation 4 a water cooled PlayStation 4 with you

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know 15 terabytes of solid state storage I thought that' be pretty cool but no

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all right also from The Flash Summit tashiba and the original article here is

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from the register. co.uk to sheba's an

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even higher capacity

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SSD quad level cell uh yes I'm assuming

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that's what the Q stands for yeah so four bits per cell which we should

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probably explain a little bit um there there's a fastest Possible episode about

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bits per sale why don't you do that explanation I been doing a lot of talking I'm going to go get a drink of

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water you explain why QC flash okay it's been a while since I've looked at this

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but the gist of it is that so if you are buying an SSD usually what you'll see on

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the product page is it'll indicate whether the SSD is SLC mlc or TLC and

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what that refers to is how many bits of data each little memory cell um inside

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the Nan flash can hold so an SLC Drive

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Can Only Hold one bit per cell whereas a TLC Drive can hold three and more sounds

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better as far as um it just more obviously sounds better but uh the

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capacity but as far as capacity sounds better but um usually TLC drives they

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tend to be um a little bit slower performance- wise um so this is a new Q

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qlc drive that holds four bits per cell so we might be able to see some really

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really good capacities with it and indeed they're teasing they this this I

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guess it's a prototype but they're teasing it as being 100 terab so there's

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not a whole lot that's been confirmed right now on this it looks like it's all talk um the the qlc technology was also

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released very recently um it looks like it would be a 3D SSD so um I guess the

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company that's most famous for this is Samsung because they marketed their um

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3D their 3D um ssds pretty heavily we

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instead of having the chips all on one plane they're actually stacked like so

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so it'll increase uh the data density um so we're looking at a 3D SSD with um

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PCIe gen 3 interface so it's not SATA it's PCI Express um over 100 terab of

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capacity and oh high L this um 3 gabes a

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second uh sequ sequential read and 1 Gaby per second um sequential right um

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three gigabytes per second yeah that's that's quite a bit more than like

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Samsung has their 950 which is I think their their highest in thing right now

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that I can find but um three I think is almost a whole gig higher than that if

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my memory serves me correctly yeah and it's not even NVMe either because this

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is uh let's see what like what interface is it even using uh blah blah blah blah

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blah blah blah blah blah well that's that's a big deal isn't it because um

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more bits per cell usually means it's a bit slower yeah so yeah but I mean so

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but this is but because it's it's 3D and it's in vme so so there's a couple of

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things to bear in mind here so you've got a lot of Nan dies you have many many

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many many many flash chips that you can

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read from and you can write too so assuming your controller isn't a

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bottleneck assuming you have a sophisticated enough controller you can

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do these massive throughput numbers MH

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even though we're talking qlc flash

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which it surprises me that they're putting this in an Enterprise product

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first quite frankly well I think um it seems to be focused more on kind of like

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playing the copy paste game or moving huge files around because also you look

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at the random read and write which is measured in iOS is only 50,000 and

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14,000 for read write respectively and you it's extremely easy to find very

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affordable consumer level SATA SSD I

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think SATA ssds yeah SATA ssds that have numbers way above that so it see it

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seems to be more suited for a media Farm where you're moving around huge files

447
00:32:46,799 --> 00:32:53,600
where you get those sorts of like really good speeds like something that I would even okay so here again like here's

448
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:58,360
something I would wonder are you even better off let's say you were um you

449
00:32:56,799 --> 00:33:02,039
were one of one of Netflix's uh one of Netflix's things

450
00:33:00,639 --> 00:33:10,399
where they want to install their Hardware in an isp's um space MH right

451
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:13,440
so so I the term is escaping me but it's

452
00:33:10,399 --> 00:33:16,799
it's Friday okay it's Friday it's been a

453
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:18,840
long week for everyone so if I was

454
00:33:16,799 --> 00:33:24,440
Netflix the idea is I want to use as little rack space as possible I want to

455
00:33:20,919 --> 00:33:27,000
store as many movies as I can and I want

456
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:33,559
to serve as many customers without unnecessary and buffering as I can so

457
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:38,760
very high-capacity drives look like well hey that might be a very very very good

458
00:33:35,559 --> 00:33:40,840
ideah mhm except that by the time you

459
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:45,200
are starting to hit these drives with a lot of random operations are they even

460
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:48,919
any better off than mechanical well couldn't you split your workload then

461
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:53,679
like like let's say just just accesses to your web page or things like

462
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:58,240
validating a login could couldn't you do that with like something faster on the

463
00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:02,039
random and then just have the do nothing but um HST videos and then if

464
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:05,880
you were going to do that if you're going to split the workload anyway then

465
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:10,040
why don't you just have why don't you spread out this data over more drives so

466
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:14,760
that people are less likely to be trying to hit the same thing at the same time

467
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:18,000
well you you could you could just like buy a bunch of these and array them

468
00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:24,000
together but then that would get very expensive probably so this is kind of

469
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:26,599
scary um the qlc drive would have a 3

470
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:29,599
pyte to 6 pyte workload over its lifetime

471
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:36,679
so what does that workload over its

472
00:34:33,679 --> 00:34:39,240
lifetime what that sounds like to me is

473
00:34:36,679 --> 00:34:43,679
that you could only write this drive and correct me if I'm wrong somewhere

474
00:34:40,720 --> 00:34:50,480
between 30 to 60 times okay so a paby it's a th TB so so like so a million

475
00:34:47,919 --> 00:34:54,000
gigabytes yeah would be a petabyte yeah yeah that actually you think of

476
00:34:52,079 --> 00:34:58,200
something like Netflix that so it seems like you would have to get a lot of

477
00:34:55,919 --> 00:35:01,920
these so well no so you're right I mean they only change

478
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:07,320
their Library every once in a while so as long as they're smart about how they

479
00:35:03,240 --> 00:35:09,359
utilize them maybe it helps oh no okay

480
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:12,040
so hold on a second this is using a PCI Express interface by the way I think I

481
00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:18,560
might have said it was SAS or something before but yeah no was PCI let's move

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then no I do not have an offer code for that so

534
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sorry but it's worth it I'm not sure what you're doing reading the wock me no

535
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what you just said to me oh no no I just know I couldn't see the

536
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screen through the microphone and you were just like kind of like it looked

537
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:10,800
like you were kind of like fawning at the screen or something I was like is he

538
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playing I just I just wasn't sure what was going on I wasn't sure what was

539
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:19,319
going on uh all right denuvo has been

540
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:24,200
successfully cracked this has been a long time coming actually denuo has held

541
00:39:21,720 --> 00:39:31,119
up surprisingly well so for those of you who don't know denuvo is a copy

542
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:33,800
protection scheme four games and it's

543
00:39:31,119 --> 00:39:38,079
over it has been successfully cracked with both doom and Rise of the Tomb

544
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:41,839
Raider apparently already available online with a functional bypass for

545
00:39:40,599 --> 00:39:46,119
denovo's anti-tampering

546
00:39:43,720 --> 00:39:53,280
technology it was the crack was created by a Bulgarian hacker called VY vxy vxy

547
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:59,079
vxy can you do a Bulgarian accent I have no idea what they sound like in Bulgaria

548
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:03,960
all right right uh well he's also working on a crack for Just Cause 3

549
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:08,839
along with several other recent denuvo titles the crack exploits a bug in Steam

550
00:40:07,079 --> 00:40:14,160
which allows users to play the full game while steam thinks the game is a free

551
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:16,920
demo version it appears as though is

552
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:21,680
given that this is a steam steam exploit uh that it could be fixed with a steam

553
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:25,000
update so it may not be functional for

554
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:27,359
long so there you have it so you will

555
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:31,040
either have to buy the game or you you will have to never update steam again

556
00:40:29,359 --> 00:40:34,359
DRM versus hackers it's just like a never ending battle

557
00:40:35,240 --> 00:40:40,000
mhm all right Quantum break is

558
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:44,040
officially coming to steam this is in our rapid fire news topics let's go

559
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:47,800
ahead and drop that in the twitch chat in case you guys are sort of curious

560
00:40:45,839 --> 00:40:52,119
about it at all let's go ah the original article here is from overclock 3d.

561
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:58,160
net I will go ahead and go back to my

562
00:40:55,720 --> 00:41:03,400
thing so basically it's coming September 14th 2016 so in about a month it this

563
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:08,560
will end its exclusivity in the Windows store I would love to say that I think

564
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:13,319
this is because Microsoft just has the best interests of Gamers at heart and

565
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:16,200
wants to support a more open ecosystem in fact they've even made some

566
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:21,400
statements that would seem to support that kind of do not walk on the green

567
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:26,200
screen second person I've caught doing that today we're going to have to

568
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:31,640
repaint that whole thing that is a hassle that is a royal hassle hash fired

569
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:35,880
hash no he's not fired I'm just if he does it again he might

570
00:41:37,720 --> 00:41:42,680
be oh man anyway sorry uh it includes

571
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:47,119
all the updates that are available in the Windows 10 store version will

572
00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:50,680
support directx11 and will not be a universal Windows platform game meaning

573
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:56,240
that any of the limitations that come with that whether they're related to benchmarking multi-GPU or whatever the

574
00:41:54,240 --> 00:42:02,920
case may be frame rate limits will not be imposed on

575
00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:07,319
it I'm still a little bit surprised that games that there are Windows App Store

576
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:12,480
no sorry not Windows App Store just Windows store exclusive games yeah it

577
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:17,640
surprises me a little bit by the time it SNS in for you my hope is that it will

578
00:42:15,079 --> 00:42:20,280
be over yeah there you go but then again they've demonstrated as they did with

579
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:26,559
games for Windows Live that they're willing to stick with a terrible thing for an awful long time before giving up

580
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:31,079
that's kind of human nature I guess so yeah well this thing is basically on

581
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:36,400
fire but let's stick with it anyway yeah pretty

582
00:42:32,240 --> 00:42:37,960
much all right let's go ahead and uh oh

583
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:44,480
this is kind of fun so the first commercial Mission To The Moon approved

584
00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:46,800
for Florida company Moon Express I

585
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:50,160
already love the name of their company it sounds like a Planet Express from

586
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:56,319
furama yeah really like a delivery service to the moon I I have to I have

587
00:42:53,319 --> 00:42:57,839
to wonder if it's intentional like I

588
00:42:56,319 --> 00:43:02,200
hope it's intentional that's freaking awesome so the US

589
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:07,240
government has given the goad to launch the first commercial mission to the moon

590
00:43:04,839 --> 00:43:12,760
so the moon Express CEO and co-founder said it's a huge milestone for us not

591
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:18,559
quite as catchy as one small step for man one large whatever leap giant giant

592
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:22,079
leap thank you for mankind not quite as catchy as that but maybe he didn't have

593
00:43:20,119 --> 00:43:26,559
quite as long to write it given that he didn't sit in a spacecraft for you know

594
00:43:24,720 --> 00:43:29,520
a long time before he got there you know I wonder I wonder what the story is

595
00:43:28,079 --> 00:43:35,480
behind that I'm sure I'm sure it's been talked about like whether he whether it was spontaneous or whether he like

596
00:43:33,559 --> 00:43:41,040
thought about it and planned it it had to require at least a few minutes of

597
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:42,800
pre-planning I mean it's frustrating

598
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:49,359
because you're a sports fan so you'll be able to relate to this it's frustrating

599
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:53,079
because the greatest moments in sports

600
00:43:49,359 --> 00:43:55,880
are sometimes made as much by the

601
00:43:53,079 --> 00:44:00,079
commentator as they are by the athlete oh yeah because they put it the

602
00:43:57,359 --> 00:44:07,319
appropriate context they get you amped up for it they they they make the moment

603
00:44:04,319 --> 00:44:09,400
something that goes beyond a fantastic

604
00:44:07,319 --> 00:44:15,440
athletic feat and something that becomes culturally iconic because you can like

605
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:17,119
you can okay so the uh the the the Bobby

606
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:24,839
or goal mhm it's amazing to watch but with that

607
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:27,680
with that commentation commentary commentation commentary commentary thank

608
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:33,079
you with that commentary it's something that like like is like moving to a to a

609
00:44:31,559 --> 00:44:39,319
hockey fan anyway some most people wouldn't care

610
00:44:35,319 --> 00:44:42,079
um doesn't it drive you crazy when you

611
00:44:39,319 --> 00:44:48,280
can tell that they had a sheet of paper on in front of them with like epic

612
00:44:46,079 --> 00:44:51,960
moment quotes that they've been thinking up over the last month and they just say

613
00:44:49,839 --> 00:44:55,359
one oh you you can always tell when it's like oh you were staying up late at

614
00:44:53,680 --> 00:45:01,359
night last week just trying to think of this stuff and now you have your moment

615
00:44:58,240 --> 00:45:04,200
American commentators are the worst I'm

616
00:45:01,359 --> 00:45:09,720
sorry in what regard though you could be right depending on doing

617
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:17,920
that I notice it so much less on Canadian broadcasts the contrived fake

618
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:20,520
nonsense on a big game win especially

619
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:24,119
when it's like not a close game like when when the when the outcome has

620
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:28,960
basically been decided since the you know middle of the second period or

621
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:33,160
beginning yeah where they've got like this quote

622
00:45:31,720 --> 00:45:38,119
that they were obviously saving that makes it sound like all Epic like an

623
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:41,240
epic Triumph when it was just kind of a

624
00:45:38,119 --> 00:45:42,559
a Beatdown I've SE I've actually seen um

625
00:45:41,240 --> 00:45:46,760
I don't disagree with you but I have seen it um in other countries as well

626
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:51,520
like if I'm watching the like Premier League in English soccer there could be

627
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:55,040
a game put away by halftime and then you know the announcer will go on in this

628
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:59,319
golf announcer style drone for the second 45 minutes and then when the

629
00:45:56,520 --> 00:46:03,319
final goes and there it is and I'm just like okay like so I I your point is very

630
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:08,680
well taken though I understand what you're saying um all right so back to

631
00:46:06,079 --> 00:46:14,760
back to going to the Moon um the company has raised more than $30 million so far

632
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:16,960
and plan to unveil their MX 1e Lander at

633
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:22,000
the Cape caraval Air Station the first launch is targeted for late

634
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:24,800
2017 this is kind of funny the FAA has

635
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:28,599
not actually issued a launch license yet um and that will be considered

636
00:46:26,079 --> 00:46:33,319
separately from the itself so while they do have permission to travel between

637
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:37,599
Earth's stratosphere and the moon and land there they do not have permission

638
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:42,880
to actually what which layer of the atmosphere does the faa's jurisdiction

639
00:46:39,599 --> 00:46:45,359
end I actually don't I don't know either

640
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:50,440
so I don't know if you ask the FAA maybe it never ends you know what it wouldn't

641
00:46:48,079 --> 00:46:56,160
surprise me all

642
00:46:53,240 --> 00:46:59,920
right uh what else we got oh the Kansas thing I thought was pretty okay let's

643
00:46:57,839 --> 00:47:08,400
move on to that where is that oh where is that indeed I saw it Kansas farm sues

644
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:10,480
Max Mind Over quote massive IP glitch

645
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:13,800
unquote so let's go ahead I'll pull up the original article from The Washington

646
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:19,079
Post you want to go ahead and uh get get us going on this yeah so this is pretty

647
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:20,920
nuts so maxmind is a company out of

648
00:47:19,079 --> 00:47:24,839
walan Massachusetts actually ride across the river from from where I lived uh

649
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:30,760
when I was in law school and they are a company that maps IP addresses to

650
00:47:27,720 --> 00:47:33,559
geographical areas now what they did is

651
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:39,240
um they had one one point that they considered the default center of the US

652
00:47:36,559 --> 00:47:44,079
so um and this was and therefore center of the universe exactly hash hashtag

653
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:49,559
Canadian commentary okay so and basically what

654
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:54,319
this is what the geographic center of of a of a country or anything else is is

655
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:57,720
suppose you had um a cardboard cutout shaped exactly like the US and you

656
00:47:55,839 --> 00:48:01,640
balanced it on a pin the geographic center is where it would bounce like

657
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:06,880
where the pin would be and this happened to be very close to these folks folks'

658
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:12,720
house that lived in Kansas and so what ended up happening is all this IP

659
00:48:09,319 --> 00:48:15,160
traffic was being mapped back to

660
00:48:12,720 --> 00:48:20,119
essentially their front yard and what ended up happening was for years they

661
00:48:17,319 --> 00:48:25,520
had cops showing up at their door at all hours accusing them of being involved in

662
00:48:23,079 --> 00:48:29,000
all sorts of crime or or whatever other Shenanigans and there were just this

663
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:32,200
like random elderly couple that lived on the farm or something had no idea what

664
00:48:30,319 --> 00:48:37,079
was going on so

665
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:45,319
basically Max mind is responsible for mapping IP addresses and they used this

666
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:49,520
this geographical center as the default

667
00:48:45,319 --> 00:48:53,319
location for any us-based IP address MH

668
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:54,799
so let's say that you know um oh man

669
00:48:53,319 --> 00:48:58,359
like what even would be an example of something that didn't have a proper IP

670
00:48:56,440 --> 00:49:03,680
address and they just default like why would they even be doing this I I I'm it

671
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:08,319
was a little bit unclear from the story honestly maybe if someone was like you

672
00:49:05,720 --> 00:49:12,119
know using a VPN but even then like so sometimes when mapping IPS apparently

673
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:17,240
they are able to only determine the country of origin that's it yeah okay so

674
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:21,000
there it is so so if all all they know is oh you're somewhere in the United

675
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:24,720
States you get mapped to this random place in Kansas I mean these are some of

676
00:49:22,599 --> 00:49:29,440
the complaints that this poor family has been dealing with um they've been

677
00:49:27,079 --> 00:49:33,559
accused of interrupting email service for customers of a certain small

678
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:38,319
business they've been accused of harboring a stolen vehicle harboring

679
00:49:35,839 --> 00:49:41,839
runaway children and keeping girls in the house to make pornographic films I

680
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:47,640
mean I really like how that last one was in quotation marks

681
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:49,799
but yeah so so it says um ambulances

682
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:54,000
have appeared to prepare to save suicidal persons FBI agents Federal

683
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:57,720
Marshals IRS collectors and other law enforcement officers have appeared on

684
00:49:55,520 --> 00:50:02,079
their doorsteps as all hours of the day and night and even one random morning a

685
00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:08,280
broken toilet was left in their driveway without explanation all right so max

686
00:50:04,359 --> 00:50:10,280
mind has since changed their default

687
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:14,960
location in the US to the center of a lake west of

688
00:50:12,119 --> 00:50:19,319
Witchita um but in the meantime the Arnolds have filed a lawsuit against

689
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:23,599
macm Max M seeking compensatory and punitive damages in excess of $775,000

690
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:28,319
can I make a comment on that yes so the reason they chose that dollar amount um

691
00:50:25,720 --> 00:50:33,280
in excess of $5,000 so here's the reason for this um super quick crash course in

692
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:37,520
jurisdiction of American law so um they followed the case in federal court and

693
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:40,480
if you want to file something in federal court in the US there's two require

694
00:50:39,119 --> 00:50:45,960
there you can do it in one of two ways one is if it involves a federal question

695
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:48,839
or a federal law but the other is if there's what's called diversity

696
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:52,440
assistantship where is the two parties in this case the old couple and maxide

697
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:57,440
or from two different states and they are and the amount in controversy is

698
00:50:55,520 --> 00:51:02,720
above $755,000 so that's why the there's a sort of

699
00:50:59,599 --> 00:51:05,160
vague in excess we want in excess of 75

700
00:51:02,720 --> 00:51:09,359
grand like who knows how much the actual amount they'll get will be but that is

701
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:14,280
just sort of like a venue selection trick to get them into federal court as

702
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:17,119
opposed to state court so oh I see okay

703
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:21,400
makes sense yeah let's move on to a pretty important rumor so the original

704
00:51:19,839 --> 00:51:27,160
post here is actually from the lineus tech tips Forum because I think uh I

705
00:51:23,839 --> 00:51:29,200
think they are quickly being wiped out

706
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:34,480
and I'm not going to say anything about this because I may or may not actually

707
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:41,960
have real information um but basically here

708
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:45,319
there's an imer post of what appears to

709
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:48,440
be I'm going to read it word for word it

710
00:51:45,319 --> 00:51:50,160
is this imer post that is the entire

711
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:57,760
that is the entire source of of everything that I'm saying it appears to

712
00:51:52,200 --> 00:52:00,920
be an ASUS Rog stricks g752 vm- GC 0 33t

713
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:01,799
7.3 in uh what seems to be a laptop of

714
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:09,559
some sort this this potentially completely

715
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:10,920
photoshopped page um says that it oh

716
00:52:09,559 --> 00:52:17,200
okay it seems to be a laptop because it has a core i76700hq processor word next to this

717
00:52:15,599 --> 00:52:22,240
picture of what appears to be a laptop so I guess the implication being that

718
00:52:19,240 --> 00:52:29,559
one of those is inside one of those um

719
00:52:22,240 --> 00:52:33,760
ddr4 8 gig RAM 256 GB s s SDM Period 2

720
00:52:29,559 --> 00:52:35,400
uh 1tb 72000 RPM something something

721
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:44,119
that's a word in a language that I don't understand norian NVIDIA GeForce GTX

722
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:46,640
10606gb hm so the implication

723
00:52:44,119 --> 00:52:51,799
is that a laptop with a

724
00:52:48,799 --> 00:52:51,799
gtx1060

725
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:59,720
6gb could potentially be a thing for uh

726
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:04,599
19,999 of whatever the devil these are Norwegian Crone is that is that right I

727
00:53:02,319 --> 00:53:08,440
I think that's what it said I wish I wish Luke were here because Luke is very

728
00:53:06,559 --> 00:53:11,720
good at Scandinavian currency we were having a discussion about this the other

729
00:53:09,720 --> 00:53:17,880
day that's an interesting Talent don't worry about

730
00:53:14,079 --> 00:53:19,119
it um so an interesting actually no I'm

731
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:24,319
not going to point out anything that's interesting about it there were also some uh let's see if any of the other

732
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:28,599
listings are still are still live it looks like this stuff is being pulled

733
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:36,040
down so all the links that were originally given for

734
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:37,440
expert. are Y no NOP not I don't know

735
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:43,119
what any of this is but it definitely isn't that

736
00:53:39,359 --> 00:53:45,720
so H very very interesting very

737
00:53:43,119 --> 00:53:49,319
interesting I like Scandinavian letters where is Luke anyway

738
00:53:49,839 --> 00:53:57,680
Britain that's as much information as I have that's all the information I have

739
00:53:54,599 --> 00:54:00,200
too all right self diving Tesla original

740
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:04,599
article here is from the telegraph.co.uk saves a man's life by steering him to

741
00:54:03,799 --> 00:54:09,680
the hospital so this opens up an okay let's

742
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:14,280
go through the basics the basics of the story first uh so original article from

743
00:54:12,559 --> 00:54:19,920
Telegraph oh I think I already said that uh originally posted by fake ZZ on the

744
00:54:17,240 --> 00:54:23,440
Forum so it his Tesla Model X is credited with having helped save an

745
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:27,880
American man's life after its autopilot function got him to the hospital when he

746
00:54:25,240 --> 00:54:31,280
suffered a pulmonary symbolism the man's name is Joshua NE a lawyer from

747
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:35,880
Springfield Missouri he called his wife and said something was wrong that he couldn't breathe and thinking it would

748
00:54:34,240 --> 00:54:40,480
be quicker than pulling over to call an ambulance he set the autopilot

749
00:54:37,839 --> 00:54:44,040
autonomous function of the Tesla Model X he just got the car a few weeks before

750
00:54:42,079 --> 00:54:49,119
this happened he doesn't remember much after he set the mode as the car drove

751
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:51,480
him over 20 miles to

752
00:54:49,119 --> 00:54:54,640
Branson he managed to steer the car the last mile or so between the motorway and

753
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:58,760
the hospital so this is an interesting

754
00:54:57,559 --> 00:55:06,839
debate mhm how is it that we consider Tesla's

755
00:55:03,839 --> 00:55:08,799
autopilot record because a couple people

756
00:55:06,839 --> 00:55:14,880
have died now do they get one in the bank if

757
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:19,319
autopilot Saves a Life Is that how it is that how it works like life saved versus

758
00:55:16,720 --> 00:55:23,400
lives taken I don't know I'm not making the rules for this I'm just asking

759
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:31,680
questions we're going to straw pull this friends we have got a straw pull this go

760
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:37,400
ahead hit me I mean I I

761
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:40,000
mean I feel like this was inevitable

762
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:44,240
when you have when the design when whoever's idea this was first said hey

763
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:49,119
why don't we try to make a self-driving car but I I don't know how how do you

764
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:54,960
measure something like this whether or not like this is a good or bad thing

765
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:59,480
because okay I'll say this so how much

766
00:55:54,960 --> 00:56:02,039
testing has been done versus death rate

767
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:08,160
because people who just drive regular cars both kill themselves and other

768
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:10,280
people all the time yeah so even though

769
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:14,599
it's easy to say oh you can't trust these computers to drive cars if their

770
00:56:12,599 --> 00:56:21,119
fatality rate is still much lower than you know some random person behind the

771
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:22,920
wheel but you're you're okay the problem

772
00:56:21,119 --> 00:56:28,920
though is that you're approaching this from a very

773
00:56:24,799 --> 00:56:30,760
um a very scientific standpoint like a

774
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:36,400
purely fact-based standpoint and the reality of it is even

775
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:44,200
for even for people who care more about facts than feelings

776
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:47,480
mhm let's say it was you know uh your

777
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:51,839
mom MH who died in a self-driving car do

778
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:54,079
you care that the odds were better for

779
00:56:51,839 --> 00:56:58,359
her like that that the overall odds like fewer people would die if we were all in

780
00:56:56,240 --> 00:57:03,960
self-driving cars do you care your mom's dead M and maybe wouldn't have been dead

781
00:57:02,039 --> 00:57:08,559
if she had been operating the steering wheel like that's something to consider

782
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:12,280
is that while it's easy to kind of go oh the greater good and this and that that

783
00:57:10,799 --> 00:57:19,960
doesn't change that you're going to be dealing with people who are inherently

784
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:21,599
emotionally distraught and very upset

785
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:26,640
and prepared to make a very loud noise about why self-driving cars are are bad

786
00:57:24,359 --> 00:57:31,880
if someone close to them dies in one or is seriously injured in one whereas we

787
00:57:28,599 --> 00:57:34,640
all accept just because of because we've

788
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:40,400
all been born into a world where cars operated by people are the norm we all

789
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:42,960
accept the risks that come along with a

790
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:47,559
manually operated car people also like to feel like they're in control which is

791
00:57:44,799 --> 00:57:50,400
why people tend to be more afraid of flying than they are of driving even

792
00:57:49,119 --> 00:57:54,480
though flying is statistically much safer you have a feeling of not being in control and if something goes wrong

793
00:57:53,079 --> 00:58:01,000
there's nothing you can do about it that's right and I would also make the argument that flying is a much more

794
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:02,440
terrifying way to die because there I

795
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:08,000
can think of very few scenarios where you won't have an awful lot of time to think about

796
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:11,680
it yeah and you just like plummet for quite a while I I don't know what the

797
00:58:09,839 --> 00:58:20,880
terminal velocity of a human being is but it's not that high yeah so no it's

798
00:58:16,039 --> 00:58:23,720
not so we've got 65% of you saying yes

799
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:28,559
we can evaluate autopilot systems on the on the bank system well to be fair in

800
00:58:26,319 --> 00:58:32,760
one out you come out net even when these start becoming more mainstream I feel

801
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:35,599
like this is how we're going to make decisions on them like this is how

802
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:39,440
governments are going to regulate them this is the way that companies are going

803
00:58:37,359 --> 00:58:45,119
to be approaching safety it's so it's ultimately going to affect like how

804
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:45,119
people use them

805
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:50,319
so I don't know I just I'm I'm wondering

806
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:56,520
with the whole you know the marsh of progress and all that like I'm wondering

807
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:59,599
how much voices of people um that oh I

808
00:58:56,520 --> 00:59:01,319
lost a loved one in a in a self-driving

809
00:58:59,599 --> 00:59:05,839
car accident and maybe I wouldn't have had they actually been controlling the

810
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:08,880
car I wonder if those vo will just kind voices will just end up being lost in

811
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:14,880
the conversation because ultimately I think we're going to make decisions based on

812
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:18,079
more what are the numbers I don't know I mean the thing is is that it's pretty

813
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:22,599
hard to lose a voice in the conversation these days with social media being what

814
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:27,440
it is that's true yeah I mean people can you know with through amplification

815
00:59:24,599 --> 00:59:32,039
factors like Twitter and read Tak just one viral incident and then suddenly the

816
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:38,079
conversation changes you know at least a little bit so and at the end of the day

817
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:42,960
I mean any politician is at the mercy of the voters so

818
00:59:41,079 --> 00:59:48,000
whatever they can do quietly behind closed doors that is something that

819
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:51,240
their voters wouldn't agree with is all fine and good but as soon as something

820
00:59:49,799 --> 00:59:56,720
goes viral and there's a bunch of pressure and it looks like they might actually not get reelected if you're a

821
00:59:54,319 --> 01:00:01,720
career politician not getting re-elected is like getting fired effectively

822
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:05,599
exactly or like or you know if you're let's say a senator and you have to go

823
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:11,720
back to being the mayor of you know three sticks Nebraska then you know

824
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:15,240
that's it's like getting a huge demotion M um with and with the incumbency

825
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:19,720
advantage it does become a career I think I don't know how it is in Canada but like in the US House incumbency

826
01:00:18,319 --> 01:00:23,920
success rate in election is like over 90% like most of these people were there

827
01:00:21,359 --> 01:00:29,960
for a long time so basically we're looking at something that is potentially

828
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:32,799
very emotional and um and can be driven

829
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:37,400
by fear absolutely so I don't know yeah I mean because yeah I mean how many self

830
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:41,359
or like autonomous vehicles other than cars are there there still really aren't

831
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:45,680
all that many like most Metro systems and train systems they have a human

832
01:00:42,799 --> 01:00:50,480
conductor or or or a human driver you know sky has one I think there might be

833
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:56,400
a remote controller though I'm actually not sure as slow as a Sky Train is I don't see how it matters

834
01:00:54,200 --> 01:01:02,480
but okay if you're going to hate on the sky Train hate on the sky train right

835
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:06,520
okay the sky Train doesn't go

836
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:09,160
anywhere it covers such a tiny fraction

837
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:12,200
of the Greater Vancouver area that it's basically

838
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:14,880
irrelevant our Master Trans in North Carolina's a joke too I'm not trying to

839
01:01:13,359 --> 01:01:18,960
pick on Vancouver it's it's just it's bad so all right well speaking of things

840
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:24,640
that are bad the end of the

841
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:26,720
show is bad because the show's ending

842
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:29,280
not because the show's bad maybe the show was bad well that that

843
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:34,720
would make if it was a bad if it was a bad show it would be good at sending so

844
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:34,720
yes maybe I'll do a straw

845
01:01:36,079 --> 01:01:41,720
pull is the show bad or the end

846
01:01:42,799 --> 01:01:48,039
bad the show is bad hey show was bad actually leave it like that is perfect

847
01:01:46,839 --> 01:01:53,039
the end is bad this poll is

848
01:01:50,279 --> 01:01:57,119
bad all right let's find out what's bad and I did not put an option for

849
01:01:55,480 --> 01:02:00,119
Michael Jackson

850
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:08,240
oh all right it has been a long week it's been

851
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:11,119
a very long week I don't even know why probably because last week was a holiday

852
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:19,160
week we're also a little bit short-handed this week yeah we're a little short-handed this week

853
01:02:16,119 --> 01:02:20,520
um what was Luke not here Brandon's out

854
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:26,520
today MH what with people hating people hating

855
01:02:24,599 --> 01:02:30,520
they're say yeah every single every single voter is saying something's bad

856
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:34,319
it's like look at this negativity they mostly hate your poll they mostly hate

857
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:36,920
my poll mm I can tell you one person who doesn't hate my

858
01:02:37,279 --> 01:03:04,640
poll I'm not going to say it see you next week same bad time same bad Channel

859
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:13,380
yeah always