The WAN Show - Intel's Most Confusing Processor Ever - June 3, 2016
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·Linus Tech Tips
·2017-05-06
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all right what's up what's up my friends
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welcome to the W show we've got a great
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show for you guys today lots of different topics I've got a uh brand new
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co-host here I just came in off the street you know you look like you came
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in off the street you don't have like you know a look like I do no I am
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jealous actually I was hoping like do we have a wig or anything I I came in like
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off the club that's that's where I came in off of I'm going to go see if there's
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anything I can wear that's all right in the meantime I'm going to tell you guys what we've got for topics today uh Intel
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has unveiled Broadwell e their new flagship desktop processors that is to
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say HT or high-end desktop
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processors that pricing AMD on the
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subject of maybe lower pricing has showed off their Polaris gpus and
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actually did a reveal of a Zen CPU more
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on that later on we've got some information this all rumors at this
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point about the OnePlus 3 launch and
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Samsung has a 512 gig SSD that's like this big looks
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like it is going to enable some seriously wow you look even worse than
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me uh some seriously small devices with
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a seriously large amount of storage so
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uh without further ado do let's hope the intro Works cuz I actually did not test
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it today yeah you did no I didn't listen
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to it also it seems to be taking a while
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to to load there let's see if it finds
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that file and uh goes ahead and plays it
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at some point that would be super duper swell come on you got this buddy you got
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this buddy buddy I need like a hair thing uh
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would have that I'm going to use a
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bu terrifies us all oh man this hair is
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awful you can you can feel that it's cheap uh yeah I had to wear that for an
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entire W show no one's forcing you that's the key difference here you know
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what I I I want to be in the lonus club
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in the Linus Club you are in the lonus club it's called lonus Media Group yo
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all right so uh without further Ado why
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don't we just go ahead and get this party started let's kick it off with the
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big Intel news so we can pick well we
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can pick any any Source we want for this
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particular a little bit of news let's go ahead and drop the LT Forum uh Link in
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here so Intel has unveiled Broadwell e
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with complete benchmarks pricing and there's 6950x overclocking results that
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are out there so first let's talk
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pricing it is not going to be any surprise that the HT or high-end desktop
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enthusi desktop parts are going to be priced a little higher than their
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mainstream counterparts so you're used to seeing you know a 6600 K I5 or a
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6700k somewhere in that
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250 to $350 range HT starts at
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$434 if you're buying lots of a thousand of them so the Assumption there would be
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that you would see these somewhere in the neighborhood of
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349 if they're on a really aggressive sale all the way up to probably like 369
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or something along those lines it's funny because you can see Intel's
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margins and this is my this is my former retailer coming through it's not really
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my concern anymore but you can see Intel's margins on their balance sheets
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which are a lot healthier than freaking you know 6% or anything like that and as
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a retailer you have to get by what somewhere in the neighborhood of four to
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5 a half% on Intel processors from my experience with that said there is
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marketing funding available but it just feels like the the wealth could could be
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shared a little bit in that regard though that's not necessarily the case
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uh fun fact giving a typical computer
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retailer more margin will basically just result in
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more policing the retailers to make sure that they aren't undercutting each other
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by a dollar every other day taking all
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the margin out of the product in fact uh one of the reasons that I suspect that
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many manufacturers such as NVIDIA Intel I don't believe it's legal in Canada but
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in the United States you can enforce what's called a map or a minimum
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advertised price and that's the reason that they do this and even though they
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do many just go around it Anyway by offering in store deals or whatever the
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case may be the advertised price or is it a minimum actual price minimum
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advertised price so if you've ever seen that feature on a site and it's less
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typical on Canadian sites because again like I said I believe map is still
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illegal in Canada um
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if you see price too low to show add to
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cart to see price that means that the price is below map Ed can I help
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you oh okay's yeah yeah I think you can scan on
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it I don't know to where so there's
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that why are you talking to Ed I don't know maybe Ed wants to participate in
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the show too he doesn't have fun hair well do you have a yeah he doesn't have fun hair like us actually his hair is
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getting pretty fun with his little thing he's got going there samurai there's
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like a oh man there's a hair clip that sits right under this headband that's uh
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that's actually quite painful but you know fashion is not about Comfort no
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fashion is about often the other way around looking uh looking amazing real
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hair that can go down this way yeah that's not a thing to brag about show
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off your do you have your ponytail thing no I have it it's now that way you have
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your ponytail combed forward just under
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my hat if I'm not wearing a hat I do it
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up great I look good with this oh man
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it's not a ponytail it's a man bun a man bun should go full Rainbow Dash all the
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time all right so let's talk let's talk pricing for the rest of these processor
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so to start with uh here I'm just going
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to go ahead and pull up so these images are off of a ontech I love those guys
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and I'm o I'm going to have to move us over to the right for this I think there
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we go so there is the 6800k so the 6800k is a six core there
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are not any here let me see yep there we go is a 6 core there are no quad cores
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in the lineup just like last time around
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um it is hyperthreaded all i7s are hyper threaded so that shouldn't be any kind
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of a surprise anything on the HDT platform is a core i7 uh well unless you
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were to like pop a zon in there it's not the kind of thing that Intel supports
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officially but between you and me in the wall it can can be done uh it's clocked
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at 3.4 GHz so once again the six core
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processor is actually clocked higher even at the the lower end than the 8
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core processor so this was the case last time around with the
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5960x and it turbos up to a multiplier
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of 35 or you can see up to
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3.6 gigahertz so let's step it up a little
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bit let's go have a look at the 6850
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there are actually Four SKS this time which is which is pretty interesting so
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this one is clocked a little higher and
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otherwise um basically pretty much the
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same thing it's even rated at the same TDP although Ian over at a ntech
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actually tested them and I mean it's
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something that I've personally been aware of for quite some time but may not
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be something that you guys know he tested them and discovered that even
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though they're all rated at the same TDP or thermal design power uh the power
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consumption from one ship to another is actually quite different and the reason
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for that will be fairly evident once we go have a look at the third skew so this
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is the
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6900k this one comes in oh right so the
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other difference between those last two was 28 PCI Express Lanes on the lower
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end one and 40 on the higher end one they are pulling that again so the
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6900k is actually more of a direct replacement for the 5960x
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and the reason that I say that is here we go from six cores to eight cores with
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hyperthreading and actually the same clock speed so this is what would have
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typically been an extreme Edition in every way including pricing this Chip is
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going to cost you a whopping
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th000 at retail actually a little bit more now they've actually increased the
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pricing there so it is 1089 for a
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6900k in lots of a th000 leading to a
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chip that has never existed before lower
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maximum clock speed for the flagship one like I was saying this is similar to
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last generation where the eight core is clocked lower than the six
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cores but this one has a whopping 10
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cores and it's overclockable on a desktop platform based on early results
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you would expect somewhere in the neighborhood of
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4.1 and change gigahertz when
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overclocking it making it at
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$1,700 a very difficult purchase to
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justify so let's start talking workloads okay what do people do with computers
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well like I was just going to say like slow down here this all just sounds like a bunch of techno Babble to me why
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should I as a normal person care about
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all of this do you hear what he just called himself lean into the microphone
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a little bit as a normal person yeah well not quite like that but like sit up
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yeah you know just I armrest is still on
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this chair see that's what happens when you
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have armrests it's a
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disaster okay so okay so what are you
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asking uh I was I was saying like why why should the average person care about
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the new 10 core Intel CPU um well this is where I wanted to
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get into different workloads okay so tell me what what do people do on their
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computers just start start firing stuff at me uh gaming I do a lot of video okay
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well hold on hold on let's do one at a time rapid fire so for gaming um I
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didn't say rapidly fire I said fire at me so for for
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gaming the the 6950x so the extreme Edition
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$1,700 plus 1,800 probably retail $1,800
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processor performs identically across the board
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to The Other Extreme Edition processor so the six the two six cores and the8
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core identically um because gaming is is
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mostly going to come down to what clock speed you can run your fastest two to
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four cores at in the case of going up against
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something like a 6700k so that's a Skylake quad core on
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the mainstream platform it will actually lose in quite a few cases because it is
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clocked significantly lower skyl can turbo up to 4 GHz so uh that that's
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about a 10% difference in clock speed not to mention that it's running a more
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upto-date microarchitecture so on the desktop platform they actually are running one
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full generation newer of Chip design
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enabling newer features as well as higher performance and lower power
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consumption you say on the desktop platform you mean like desktops not
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laptop the mainstream desktop platform cuz these are both desktop platforms
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that we're talking talking about great so not high-end desktop regular desktop
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okay so for gaming basically it makes no
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sense at all hit me with another use case to have the 10 core yeah to have
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the $1,700 extreme Edition 10 core okay video editing video editing okay so once
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again um I pretty much can't think of a scenario where it makes any sense really
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because in most cases you are either
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once again limited by Peak clock speed MH or
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you are using some kind of workload like
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let's say sorns and squeeze where you can take advantage of more cores and if
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that's the case then let's go ahead and have a look at what's available in the
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Zeon E5 V4 lineup because those chips
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are actually socket for socket compatible with pretty much any board
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that would hold one of these extreme editions I'm going to go ahead and pull up Intel's Arc
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website let's find something comparably priced here here's a
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$1,745 processor that consumes less power and has 14 cores clocked at 2.4
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GHz let's have a look at its max turbo speed of 3.3
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GHz is that impressive so yeah that's
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that's pretty that's pretty freaking good not to mention that it comes with
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ECC memory support so oh yeah of course with that said it doesn't support
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overclocking so let's have a look at what else they have in sort of a a
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comparable price range here's a lower clocked 16
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core probably wouldn't be looking at that unless I was in like a heavily
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virtualized environment where I'm running a lot of host operating systems
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um what about like uh rendering for 3D
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animation um in that case it's going to basically that's one of the few
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workloads where you can basically take the number of cores times the frequency
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that they run at factoring in the architecture that they use and kind of
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just add them up and get an actual result it scales 3D rendering scales
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relatively linearly but that's on the CPU not the GPU right are are we
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rendering with the CPU if we're talking about CPU rendering then but would you
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want to do that um well really depends on your on what application you're using
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it's one of those things where it comes down to to what that person's actually
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using so so Intel's competing against
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zons in these heavily multi-threaded workloads and then the other issue that
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I have is particular with our new workflow in Adobe Premiere we could
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easily be using quad cores we did a video recently with an Ultra Book a dual
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core Ultrabook editing video over the
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network using our cfor codec that we convert all of our footage to and the
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performance was fine so the only thing you would actually be able to use the
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extra horses for would be the final export which from my experience only
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benefits from a about so we've got 14
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core process processors in those machines right now and they hit about 60% usage so from about eight
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cores of 10 out of out of 10 yeah so so
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you could easily buy the eight core instead oh and that would wouldn't
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utilize just six then it actually utilizes up to eight yeah it utilizes up
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to eight from my experience with the way that we rendered h.264 yeah so but most
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people don't go to copor First unless they have watched our stuff and realize
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that it's awesome so you're paying an extra
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$700 dear for two more cores on an8 core
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there's another problem is that dual socket motherboards are not that
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expensive compared to regular motherboards especially if you're already spending $1,700 on a processor
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let's assume that you're buying a decent motherboard to go with it so let's have
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a look at here's a 90 watt chip with 10 cores clocked at 2.4 to uh let's see 3.4
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GHz max turbo you could throw two of
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those in that's a $939 processor so just spending a little bit more you could
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chuck two of these bad boys in for a total of 20
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cores if you had a heavily multi-threaded workload and it would be
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able to use all of that well depends if you have a heavily multi-threaded
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workload then yes so no Dwarf Fortress
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so no Dwarf Fortress would it only utilizes One Core okay all right so I
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think so hit me with another workload oh
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dear uh uh uh Ste at home folding at
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home one those things so once again my 20
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core dual Zeon setup is going to absolutely mop the floor with it yeah
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yep that can be utilized with multiple yes stuff yeah and if it couldn't then a
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10 core definitely wouldn't make a difference so distributed computing
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would benefit from our overclocked 10 core processor but not enough to justify
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the price hit me again I'm I'm out I don't have anymore you you hit you I'm
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out too I can't figure out what this
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product is for especially at that
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price I think at $1,000 if they were
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giving us the eight core at the kind of 650 700 price point and if they were
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giving us maybe even you know I'd be okay with a six core but maybe with all
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the PCI Express Lanes or an eight core
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with the 28 PCI Express Lanes like if we were really getting a significant
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Improvement this time around then I
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would be pretty happy like like hang on like why do they make a 10 core CPU if
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it's not really useful for many things you just get more CPUs cheaper what's
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the point it is useful for things but it's like not at that price at $1,000
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well yeah that's the point if it's not useful at that price then it's not useful so basically what it looks like
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happened is somewhat in Intel went well CRA we can no not not that I mean no I
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don't think Intel does anything just because they can anymore I think someone
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at Intel went if we deliver an8 core
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overclockable processor so we're talking you know 4 GHz time 10 so 40 GHz of
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power yes I know it doesn't scale like that we are going to be seriously
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cannibalizing zeeon unless we hamstring
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it in some way or Jack the price and it
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already is hamstrung in a way so it is
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not capable of having two of them installed on a single motherboard MH
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that's something that's been true of the HDT processors since ah since skull
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Trail I guess yeah since skull Trail I don't know what skull Trail is um it was
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a very very expensive basically it was two zons but they branded them as
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extreme editions and then a specific motherboard that you could put them on
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wonderful two motherboards I think EVGA had one as well so other than skull
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Trail um we've never seen an extreme Edition
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processor an overclockable processor that can be installed with two uh can be
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installed in a dual socket board or at least have two of them installed in a
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dual socket board I've heard that that they'll work in a dual socket board if you only install one of them are there
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triple socket boards there are quad socket boards and eight socket boards oh
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wow yes does it go only up to eight uh I am not aware of a 16 socket board and
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the size of it would be a thing to be reckoned with um so make a fun video
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basically I think that's what happened they were worried that taking away ECC
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memory compatibility wouldn't be enough to prevent high-end workstation and
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entrylevel server customers from using the things at
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$1,000 and they couldn't figure out a way other than just throwing more cores
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on it to differentiate it from the last generation extreme Edition in a
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significant enough way that customers
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would kind of drool over it all over again all right all right but blah blah
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blah who is it for it is for people with
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more money than since okay which has been true of many extreme editions in
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the past normal consumers not like like big companies oh like who are they
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trying to sell it to yeah regular consumers like Gamers okay Gamers who
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want a little bit less performance watch lus Tech tips and then they'll know that
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it's pointless um no that's that's not the case at all in fact um I forget
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where I was reading this but I looked at a really interesting graph of the
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estimated uh sell through of Intel's HDT
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lineup over the last several Generations it might have been on wccf Tech and the
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um and the price so times the price and the most successful ful processors
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they've had in terms of Revenue have been the more hardcore ones
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um yeah the higher priced ones that increase the core count over the
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previous generation so it looks like Intel is trying to make that exact
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lightning strike here but I personally really doubt it
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and I sincerely hope not unless this is
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an omen huh yes an omen because the last
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time a processor manufacturer took kind
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of the existing pricing structure and
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and and blew it like way Sky High for no
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apparent reason other than to create the illusion of bragging rights amongst
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their most affluent customers the last time that happened it
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was AMD pulling this crap with the original FX it was actually Intel
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responding to am D when they created
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extreme Edition so AMD was the one who started this like thousand FX you can
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only get one if you spend $1,000 on it
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lineup so what I'm hoping is that now
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that that's happening again because what happened right after AMD did FX was
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Intel took the balance of power back they crushed the FX with like a $400
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chip what I'm hoping is that AMD Zen
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will be affordable and make this thing look really embarrassing for
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Intel Billy Hatcher 312 says shut up
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with pre-recorded crap so uh there you
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go Billy pre-recorded I'm proving that it's not pre-recorded by responding to
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his comments oh lovely yeah all right so there you have it
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that's my take on the 60 that was fasc 6950x did you almost fall asleep these
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chairs are comfortable these chairs are comfortable but lean all the way back as
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well yes you can do that please do not mess with these chairs someone messed
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with this one and it was like tilted funny yeah but handle's right here on
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the left well just it's right there just just don't cuz lonus will get upset yeah
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well it's like two seconds to fix all right so yeah but I couldn't figure out
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how to do it that was the problem I told you before and you would ignored me well
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I forgot mm all right let's go ahead and drop our next Topic in the chat here AMD
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Polaris and Zen reveals so let's talk
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Polaris first this is where I was at in maau down a little bit Yeah find you can
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just talk with twitch chat if you want you don't have to you know I might pay
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attention if you're bored I am bored um so let's talk about Polaris first so I
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was at the event in maau um here's what
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we know so far the goal is to bring real
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VR like like Rift Vive grade VR to the
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first 100 million customers
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um that's the $200 thingy I actually
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don't know how much of this is rumor and how much of this
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is uh not rumor right now so there's a
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ZDNet article that we've pulled the information from I don't know how much
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of it is is is embargoed and how much of it isn't because uh I know at least some
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of it is so according to the ZDNet article it's built on the 14 nanometer
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fin fet process from Global foundaries it will have greater than five teraflops
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of power oh this is apparently all from the announcement stream thanks Nick um
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256 GB per second of memory bandwidth four or 8 gigs of gddr5
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150 wat power dry draw starting at 199
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us although I would personally speculate that the 8 gig version will not be
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available for 1999 at least to start they are claiming up to a 2.8x
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performance per watt um improvement over
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the previous generation And to clarify
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even though they were talking a lot about VR VR VR VR with the rx480
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that is not the entire point of the card
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and I actually had quite a few people hold on a second I'm just
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creating a straw pole
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here for non VR let's go with yes
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no here we go sorry I've got my straw pull created here so I had quite a few
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people kind of go well ginus on this on
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the video that I uploaded where I was did an interview with Roger caduri say
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like I'm not interested in VR so what is this just a VR card and the answer is no
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of course not what they're talking about when they say it's really great for VR
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is they're saying that it is powerful enough for VR at an affordable price not
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that it only works for VR so I would expect this card in fact one of the
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demos they did the only demo I've seen of its performance so far one of the
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demos they did showed it up against two RX 480s up against a single GTX 1080
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ashes of the singularity holding up pretty darn well
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in a non VR 3D workload now does it have
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that minimum High frame rate that you were talking about so that is one of the
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things that they would be tackling in a sort of VR optimized design helping it
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not dip below that minimum VR frame rate
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of 90 frames per second you can't have that it's crazy now with that said
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controlling dips is also enormously beneficial for flat 3D gaming so it's
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not a problem that they've optimized the
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architecture to avoid dips in frame rate that wouldn't hurt anybody everyone
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should be happy about that just the reason it's more important for VR is
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that it doesn't make you feel sick when you're looking at a panel in front of
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you whereas when you're in a virtual reality headset it most assuredly does
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yes so this is interesting we have a
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whopping 53% of you and if we factor out the
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turnup vote it becomes even more like
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70% of you are interested in the
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rx480 okay we haven't we haven't actually done one of these in a while
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but we are going to have to do a Twitter Blitz here I want to hear from you guys
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tweet me at linch on Twitter yeah are
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you yeah planning to buy an rx480 sight
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unseen you haven't even seen the performance yet do we not have the specs
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do we not know we have specs but that doesn't necessarily tell us the whole
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story and we don't even have all the specs 36 compute units uh and then we
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have memory bandwidth and we have five ter like we know approximately how it's
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going to perform but that is not the whole story how powerful is the AMD hype
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train here guys hit me up and let me
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know in the Twitter Blitz you know are you planning to buy one and it doesn't
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necessarily have to be for you tell me
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what you're planning to buy it for like are you planning to buy one for a
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friend's computer or for a Rel computer or something along those lines I do want
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to hear from you guys let's go ahead and chat Zen very briefly here while I wait
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for some results to roll in there uh let me just go uh actually I
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think this article is the ZD net one that I was accidentally referring to
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before let's go ahead and pop that in there all
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right so I've heard it speculated you know six ways from
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Sunday that Zen will be released you know
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this year or early next year or early
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this year I mean there has been rumors flying about Zen this is AMD's upcoming
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Flagship CPU architecture it's going to be awesome or not well according to you
28:43
know AMD Fanboys and AMD employees yes
28:46
but they've both let me down a number of times in the past so I'm personally
28:50
withholding any judgment until I actually am holding one and putting it
28:54
into a motherboard but um it looks like they may actually
29:00
be coming closer so here's the update
29:04
Lisa Sue held a Zen processor that she
29:08
claimed is working in her hand on
29:13
stage they are claiming 40% higher IPC
29:17
that's instructions per clock versus the last generation although we don't know
29:20
anything about the final clock speed what was shown was eight cores 16
29:27
threads so we should have some kind of hyperthreading equivalent on the AMD
29:31
side now it's going to be using a finfet process which is not any kind of a
29:35
surprise there will be an am4 desktop platform to go with it which oh man AMD
29:40
is sorely in need of a desktop platform up totally I mean did you know no that
29:46
AMD's Flagship desktop processor the 9590 FX whatever it is um still runs PCI
29:54
Express 2.0 that sounds old and DDR3 oh
29:59
bz Express 2.0 is older than DDR3 but that's okay I like having you here for
30:03
these reactions I enjoy that um because even though I had actually
30:09
this was kind of a back room discussion so I'm not going to say which motherboard manufacturer said it but one
30:14
motherboard manufacturer had actually done the work of enabling PCI Express
30:18
3.0 they had motherboards that they'd like had it working on and then for
30:23
AMD's chip yeah and there was there was kind of no official support or there
30:30
that update is just not coming oh so they tried it got it kind of working so
30:36
so like it it got as bad as like motherboard makers were trying to do the
30:39
work for them yeah and nothing ever happened feel like that with Premiere
30:43
well I'm doing the work for Adobe so there's no date for Zen but
30:49
what was said is that it's alive it's on track and they are extraordinarily
30:55
excited about what Zen will bring to the marketplace due date on this or they
30:59
just so it could be Vapor Weare I would
31:03
say I would say I'll be surprised if it's not Q4 this year or more much more
31:08
likely q1 Q2 next year Q4 means the last
31:11
four months kids I'm going to let you think about
31:15
that for a second last three months yeah well you know four time 3 is 12
31:21
divides in there somehow thank you Teran three all right let's go ahead and jump
31:26
on to that uh that Twitter Blitz over there have a look at what you guys are
31:30
uh have a look at what you guys are oh dang it I don't know why it does this
31:35
give me my give me my window region come
31:38
on baby come on baby what are you talking about you can do this what are you doing
31:44
oh I'm just waiting for the uh the dialogue to pop up so that I can go
31:47
ahead and capture you know what it's okay I can just start reading some of these um Stephen Workman says I'm saving
31:53
up for my first proper gaming PC and I'm really interested in the 480 the frames
31:57
per Canadian peso look pretty good that's that's a serious Factor like this
32:02
will be a serious gaming card available
32:05
at a price that people outside of the United States of America might actually
32:10
be able to afford but like it is a serious gaming card right like we know
32:14
the specs we know that it will be good we know that it will be fluff good we
32:17
just don't know how good uhhuh we know the minimum goodness and there are other
32:22
things that we don't know for example like we don't know if it's going to be plagued by driver issues out of the gate
32:27
oh boy that'll be fun like we have we have no way of predicting something like
32:31
that um here we go eore says yes rx480 for my
32:38
own rig sold my 7970 Crossfire and will
32:42
buy it there you go uh Bob Ross I'm
32:46
considering it for a friend's thousand gaming rig Brian says I'm waiting for
32:50
GTX 1050 unless someone puts a fraking back
32:55
plate on the RX um I would say Brian I
32:59
probably would not I probably would not
33:03
make my decision about a GPU based on
33:08
whether or not it has a back plate fun fact uh back plates in many cases you'll
33:13
see cutouts on them for certain components to stick up through them
33:18
because back plates in many cases actually cause components on the back of
33:21
the card to run hotter because there's a big thing of metal in the way because
33:25
there's a big thing of metal in the way that makes sense unless the manufacturer
33:28
is investing in a lot of thermal interface material as well as the uh the
33:34
Precision manufacturing of the back plate that will allow it to rest evenly
33:37
on all of those components um they actually are a not that beneficial and B
33:43
can actually reduce compatibility with other cards being in
33:47
your system at the same time because the spec for the spacing of a PCI slot does
33:52
not account for anything above the PCB on the back of the card so there's a you
33:58
put the thing on top of my head fun fact for you no no it's not actually there oh
34:02
yeah no it is it's on the stream see oh really yeah it's right there
34:07
oh uh oops you captured your own oh okay
34:13
well headless tan over here gosh darn
34:17
it um whatever I give up on that I'm just
34:20
going to read them to you guys uh Nitro blast says you have to get
34:25
the timing just right to get it on on the W show
34:29
lol yes that is true and it is pretty tough uh Daniel says I I could buy it
34:35
yet holy cow compared to even to the
34:38
straw pole there's a lot of you guys
34:42
saying yeah let's go for it see I'm way more cautious than this I don't like to
34:47
buy anything unless it's been out for a while everything about it is known
34:52
people have been using it for a while they know that it's good I don't like to
34:56
be on The Cutting Edge for stuff like this huh I think y'all y'all are crazy I
35:00
mean I personally think it's a little early too I would be waiting for GTX
35:05
1060 I just want to see how that card
35:09
plays out because what you guys need to remember is that even though AMD is
35:14
shouting from the rooftops about how amazing RX 460 to 480 are going to be
35:20
and how they're going to be like killer performance per watt per dollar and all
35:24
that stuff it's not like this is AMD's
35:28
Flagship GTX 1080 1070 competing chip
35:32
size that's not what we're looking at here this is more of a mainstream size
35:38
die so NVIDIA's cards NVIDIA's chips
35:42
were never intended to compete with these Polaris chips like they sit above
35:47
and below each other like this so for a little while here until NVIDIA fills out
35:52
their lower-end 14 nmet cards and AMD fills out their higher end ones whether
35:57
you you buy NVIDIA or AMD could basically come down to how much money
36:01
you have to spend if you're looking at that like a a value gaming rig you may
36:06
be forced to buy AMD because NVIDIA's last generation 28 nanometer Maxwell
36:11
chips are probably going to make no sense compared to Polaris but if you
36:15
want a high-end rig I mean unless you want to just start like stacking RX 480s
36:20
into your system which is never a good strategy by the way adding up more cards
36:23
you're going to be forced to buy NVIDIA because AMD won't have anything even
36:27
close to competing with it yeah what he
36:30
said or you could just lag behind by like two years and everything will be
36:34
fine all right why don't we move why don't we move on to a topic that tan
36:38
Taran will like better or 20 years that's not true so this is um I mean
36:46
this is one of those things where it's like in your 101 philosop from from like
36:50
a a philosophy 101 type of standpoint
36:54
yes you know you could be like who man I
36:58
have opinions on this yeah man um so
37:02
Elon Musk yeah the chance we are not
37:05
living in a computer simulation is one in billions where did
37:10
he get that number from he figures if we
37:13
aren't stuck in a matrix style world then the world is about to end really
37:21
how now how does he furthermore figure that I so disagree with this by the way
37:25
I have lots of reasons why don't you go first and then I'll go through and then
37:29
I'll go through our notes on Mr mus there's a concept in philosophy known as
37:33
falsifiability wait or is that science whatever it's a concept for something to
37:38
be scientific it needs to be falsifiable
37:41
so you could say that there's like there's the example of of the Russell's
37:45
teapot floating out between Mars and and uh Earth it could be there but we don't
37:50
know there more information prove a what teapot just a teapot okay no no okay I'm
37:56
not explaining very well no you're not no no no okay let's start over with cism
38:01
which is the idea that my mind is the only one that I know for sure exists I
38:06
think therefore I am right famous thing in
38:10
philosophy the only thing why is my phone making noise the only thing that
38:14
you can prove to yourself absolutely
38:18
100% is that you exist everything Beyond there you have to take at least some
38:22
Measure of Faith to accept so as long as
38:26
your standards of proof are not so incredibly uh hardcore that you don't
38:31
believe that the world exists by itself you can pretty much accept that the
38:35
world is real okay so the problem with
38:38
saying that we're in The Matrix or computer simulation or whatever is that
38:42
it's not falsifiable there's no possible
38:46
way to prove that there's no way to prove it and there's no way more
38:50
importantly there's no way to disprove it and that's why you can't believe this
38:54
and that's why you can't make any meaningful statement upon how true it is
38:57
it's nice to be able to speculate but to put a number on it like one out of a
39:01
million or 10 million or whatever he said that's ridiculous so to be clear it
39:06
is a bit of a sensationalist headline but here's sort of the here's sort of
39:11
the the the Spiel the strongest argument
39:14
for us probably being in a simulation I think is the following he told the uh
39:19
code conference in California 40 years ago we had pong two rectangles and a DOT
39:26
well I'm sold okay that's where we were
39:30
now 40 years later we have photorealistic 3D simulations with
39:33
millions of people playing simultaneously and it's getting better every year soon we'll have virtual
39:38
reality we'll have augmented reality so he said that if the speed of these
39:42
advancements dropped by a thousand we would still be moving forward at an
39:47
intense speed relative to the age of life in general so says probably to the
39:53
question of whether we are all in a simulated game that we should be hopeful
39:58
we're in a simulation because otherwise if civilization stops advancing then
40:02
that may be due to some kind of calamitous event that stops civilization
40:06
so I guess the argument is that at the rate that we are improving
40:11
technologically it shouldn't be a surprise that we can technologically
40:16
improve enough to have a simulation of
40:19
us or oh well I mean like it there's
40:23
there's an interesting story about this where they come up with a computer that
40:26
can simulate no they come up with a computer with infinite power right it
40:31
can it has infinite CPU Cycles yeah and so then they decide oh let's simulate
40:36
the universe and they do that and then they figure out oh crap we're in our own
40:40
simulation because it goes infinitely deep so the chance that you would be on
40:44
one of those simulation levels because right the computer is being simulated
40:47
inside of the computer because it's infinite so the chance that you would be
40:51
one of those would you know is is pretty much guaranteed so that seems like
40:55
basically the conversation we're having the trouble is you cannot make a
40:58
computer that can simulate the universe without it being larger than the
41:02
universe because it would have to be in the universe right no you could have a
41:07
data set that is larger than the physical computer
41:12
itself I don't know the the the point is
41:16
I mean the universe is is quite quite a huge thing and you know what I think the
41:21
point is is atoms you count it's like trillion quintilian billions
41:28
Gillian I think I'm going to need a I think I'm going to need a second all
41:31
right let's go ahead and do a rapid fire topic here this one's uh this one's
41:35
pretty light we don't have to think much about it original article here is from
41:39
the verge.com let's go ahead and pull this baby up ducky releases a the ducky
41:45
pocket is a mechanical keyboard calculator with Cherry MX switches oh
41:51
great huh huh how awesome is that can I
41:56
be the voice voice of negativity over here you can be the voice of negativity
42:00
but I'll hate you for it what's cool about mechanical
42:03
keyboards and I'm I used to not be so sold on them and now I understand yeah
42:08
why they're cool is that they're comfortable to type on yeah uh they're
42:12
nice to type I don't know they're just they're they're you know they're good to
42:16
type on but when you're typing you're doing a lot of keystrokes quite quickly
42:21
and you need to do so accurately uhhuh with a calculator a calculator not so
42:26
much mhm or or with something like like we have these little Tech Keys keyboards
42:29
that have like three keys on them those don't need to be mechanical we don't
42:34
need fancy key switches we just need buttons it doesn't matter I'm going to
42:38
counter that argument some people touch type on a number pad okay for people who
42:43
do a lot of calculations I can see that being cool well why would anyone who
42:46
doesn't do a lot of calculations buy a calculator they have one built into their phone that's why I don't have a
42:50
calculator right it's part of my phone so if you were to buy a calculator
42:55
wouldn't you by definition be the target audience for someone who would need good
42:59
key cap or good key switches on a
43:03
calculator I just tore your argument apart son you just got W
43:08
showed so basically why are you typing everything in by hand anyway so
43:13
basically it's the same thing as those
43:16
Standalone mechanical number pads that have existed for quite some time for
43:20
laptop users in particular but now it has an LCD display on it which I
43:25
personally think is very cool oh yeah whatever I'm sold I'm sold apparently it has RGB
43:31
backlighting yeah see that's definitely
43:35
pointless badass badass pointless badass
43:38
what do you need that for well you don't need it no you don't need it it's not
43:41
about need it's about being cool yeah you know you're cruising down
43:46
the street with your RGB calculator impressing all the
43:52
ladies you just you type boobies in it and then you show it to them yeah that
43:56
would that a good trick you know uh what what else can you spell on the
44:00
calculator I can't I can't remember I don't know it's been a while since high
44:03
school definitely boobs yeah well that you know that's easy and boob yeah and
44:10
boo are we done we're done with that uh
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it's a super simple to use invoicing tool that does a lot more than just help
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you create and send slick looking invoices you can keep track of your time
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you can keep track of your expenses you can keep track of who owes you money how
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much when it's due speaking of when it's due you can actually use it to take
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useful for example when I used to run a house painting business taking a 10% or
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otherwise you're going to go and buy a bunch of paint for the first day on the job site show up and they're like yeah
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no we brooked with someone else uh no well then I'm keeping your deposit and
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all this paint yo yeah actually I would let them keep the paint because I have
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no use for extra paint I just have to dispose of it which by the way is uh not
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free in many places well I mean what if it's like kind of generic paint Well
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yeah if it's like black trim paint or something I would keep it but uh if it's
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something that I don't think I can reuse then I would definitely want to get rid of that so if you have any questions
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they have support staff that'll help you but the whole idea behind fresh books is
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enter when in the how did You Hear About Us section by the way they just got a
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oh that's actually very convenient linda.com why don't I let you do the
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linda.com you love linda.com well I do
47:59
um actually I just um they they do it's
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not just software training right it's like job stuff training basically
48:07
because don't tell me tell them no no I'm I'm asking you because there there's a lot more to them than I even realized
48:12
at first because like I use linda.com uh
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they they do video tutorials on lots of stuff they have uh lots of software
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training uh I learned some stuff from Excel about Excel from them I learned a
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lot of Photoshop stuff some premier stuff after effect stuff um the video
48:29
tutorials that they do are like really good because they go through everything
48:34
like from the ground up and they explain it you can see it happening on screen
48:38
and it's not just horrible to follow like so many tutorials are um it's just
48:43
it's great stuff and they've also got like photography uh animation like you
48:48
can just scroll through uh just go to linda.com and just scroll through all
48:52
the stuff that they offer to get an idea of what they have so stuff like office
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applications Photoshop Adobe Premiere
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photography uh there's I wasn't listening lots of different stuff it's
49:05
used by millions worldwide they're adding new courses all the time they're
49:09
taught by industry experts um that's important because like they'll tell you
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like oh this feature is dumb don't use it or well not in those words well it
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depends on the guy like de is pretty funny he does the Photoshop ones he will
49:21
tell you what to do so you can use it on your iPhone on your Android device you
49:26
can actually download the videos you can skim along through transcripts of the
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someone else if you want to sort of go through the same curriculum together and
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linda.com wow yeah all right so we've
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been adding some more I had a class where literally the whole class was like
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hey just use Linda and I was like why did I pay for this class
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if they're just also making me pay for Linda I should have just done Linda in
50:00
the first place been a lot cheaper than that class probably and so now I just
50:04
use Linda all right so the next article here
50:09
is from techraptor domnet here you go oh oops that was the
50:15
wrong one that is uh that is a controversial looking thumbnail image
50:20
that we got going on there 26 controversial games pulled from Steam in
50:24
a German Crackdown so the removed games
50:28
include karmageddon Max pack that is old
50:31
game uh painkiller Black Edition it's
50:35
like okay postal postal two postal three
50:39
Rune Classic Time shift Uber
50:42
Soldier uh basically some some hyper
50:45
violent types of titles um and this is an attempt to remove media which may be
50:50
harmful to Germany's younger audience oh dear so the game release is
50:55
actually span an era of 20 years I was going to say
51:00
those I those are old some of those and it appears to be ACC done accordingly to
51:05
to the titles appearing on the list of media harmful to young people also known
51:10
as the index so it includes Games music
51:14
books and movies and when a title is placed on this list it is placed in one
51:19
of two categories list a books sorry it
51:23
includes books they're banning books now so list a is unable to receive a US
51:28
rating so that's the German equivalent of ESRB so this prevents an official
51:33
German release um and buyers of foreign
51:36
versions must not make the game's content accessible to miners in any way
51:40
and list B cannot be sold at all within
51:43
Germany so valve hasn't issued an official statement but some of it I get
51:47
so some of these contain um like Nazi imagery oh which is Hardcore band in
51:54
Germany man oh yeah that
51:57
that is definitely definitely not a thing but um some of this stuff does not
52:03
appear to have been banned for that particular reason well like here's the
52:07
thing I know that there's a lot of discussions about do violent video games
52:12
make kids violence do we know the answer
52:15
we don't know the answer some people think they know the answer but did they
52:19
have has there been research done like because if it legitimately you know
52:22
causes kids to be more violent then that's a concern for sure but like do we
52:27
know there's research done but none of it's conclusive and anyone who thinks
52:31
that any of it is conclusive has an agenda and is trying to sort of answer
52:36
it one way or the other before they even go in and look at it there's nothing
52:39
conclusive I can I find that so hard to believe I can personally say that I was
52:44
not made violent by violent video games me neither probably but yeah me neither
52:49
probably I don't know you don't strike me as particular violent I'm not violent
52:52
not like your old roommate anyway oh oh yeah I had a I had a guy's roommate who
52:57
ended up killing a few people it's that's a story for another time I'm
53:02
surprised he didn't kill you I got I pieced out of there real quick yeah he
53:07
would have you think so yes he was
53:11
incredibly unstable very violent person
53:14
and uh play a lot of video games he played a lot of sports interesting
53:18
hashtag blam sports do Sports make kids violent well you know
53:23
maybe cuz like like Luke was talking to me about what was it lacrosse where he
53:27
was playing where every time he'd go out he would he would just like hit this one
53:31
guy that he didn't like you remember that no he never told me that part of
53:35
Lacrosse I wouldn't have played lacrosse with him if I know that's what I was saying but this guy was a bit bigger
53:39
than Luke and he always thought he could take him and then Luke always laid the beat down so yeah Sports you know also a
53:47
concern yeah so we should ban Sports we should ban
53:50
Sports uh speaking of speaking of banning we should ban large ssds because
53:55
this looks freaking awesome so the original article
54:01
here is from news. samsung.com Samsung has begun
54:05
mass-producing the industry's first 512
54:08
gig nvma SSD in a single BGA package
54:13
this is to give more flexibility in Computing device design for those of us
54:17
who don't know what a BGA package is
54:21
basically you know uh what the single
54:24
chip on a stick of RAM looks like just the one little black CH the black thingy
54:28
that's kind of square yeah you know how there's a bunch of them yeah it's all
54:32
one one of those is a BGA package the picture okay yeah so this right here
54:36
that you guys are looking at that is a
54:40
512 gig SSD that's half a terabyte
54:44
unfreaking real so we're at the point
54:47
now where especially guys like Samsung the only reason we don't have you know
54:52
20 terab or 50 terab ssds is that the
54:56
cost of the controller and the cost of all those chips would simply be too high
55:00
for any customer to afford it those are like smaller than a dime right yeah I'd
55:04
say they're about the size of a dime yeah so what that means is in a new
55:08
tablet or like a twoin one you could
55:11
have a full-fledged NVMe SSD albeit not
55:15
with the same power as something like a 950 Pro but a full-fledged NVM
55:21
SSD in an unheard of form factor like we
55:24
don't even have to have saying now the price a card on it uh I do not know
55:29
pricing at this time all we have right
55:33
now is specs so they're saying it's designed for use in Next Generation PCS
55:38
and ultra slim notebooks um extremely compact package
55:42
that contains all essential SSD components including the Nan flash
55:47
memory the dam and the controller uh it triples the performance
55:52
of a typical SATA SSD says uh Jung B
55:56
the senior vice president of memory product planning and application engineering team which is freaking
56:02
unbelievable it's got 15 of Samsung's 48 layer 256 GB vand flash chips uh 12 nanm
56:09
4 gig lpddr4 mobile D RAM chip and a high performance Samsung controller it
56:13
weighs only about 1 gram sequential read and write speeds of
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1.5 gigabytes per second and 900
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megabytes per second when turbo Rite technology is used
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pretty freaking unbelievable let's go ahead and start
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doing some rapid fire topics Taran would you use a water cooled laptop no no
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based on what I've seen with lonus who's supposed to know what he's doing and
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likes water cooling and still stuff gets corroded and horrible no well that
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wasn't me at my best in all fairness to water cooling now now hang on though
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because I've seen the insides of some of these laptops and they have like the
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little the little tube thingies what are those called he heat pipes heat pipes
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yes are do those have a liquid in them okay so now you're opening up a can of
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worm kind of water cooled already and it's contained the point is it needs to
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be contained you're opening up a can of worms because some phone manufacturers
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uh including Sony and uh uh what's their
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face someone else is doing it some phone manufacturers are coming out and saying
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they have water cooled phones because their phone contains a heat pipe oh
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right but that is not strictly speaking
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true a heat pipe contains a fluid yes
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and when it's cold in one part of the heat pipe it will be liquid so they
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actually I believe they lower the pressure inside them so that theorization point of of the liquid
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actually gets lower anyway so the idea is that at the at a cold point in the
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heat pipe uh that would be where your heat sink is it will turn to liquid and
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Wick back to the heat Source where it will evaporate and flow so in a sense
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yes liquid is moving inside the heat pipe but it is it will not achieve
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nearly the efficiency of a full-on liquid Loop because it's a loop because
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is that the difference a loop with a pump um well it's it's to do with it's
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to do with conduction so having more volume of water making contact with more
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surface area of copper Heat s is better
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having the water move at high speed is better um having again having more water
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is better for um absorbing little spikes
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in thermal output because the water itself will take quite a bit of time to
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heat up even if you don't have anything actively cooling it so it would make
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something like a phone if you could actually water cool it and there was a significant volume of water inside it
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would mean that when you start playing a game it would take much longer to start
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thermal throttling for example because you'd have to heat up all that water and
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water can absorb a lot of thermal energy before the temperature of it actually
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Rises is there not a better liquid than water that can absorb even more heat um
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I think most heat pipes do use water um
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some extra stuff in there some of them may use alcohols of some sort I'm not a
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heat pipe expert unfortunately though all right so let's talk about this water
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cooled laptop this is the gx800 the successor to the
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gx700 it can run on its own just like its predecessor but it can also clip
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into this quick relase enabled base that
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includes water cooling um this is great so this is over on tech radar positive
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things very powerful color customizable mechanical keyboard Thermo Hydro
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clocking unlocks overclocking for everything bad extreme power needs oh
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really yeah so describing the last one they released as absolutely mental I
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think is probably an understatement mental in a good or a bad way um I think
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they just mean mental in a mentally in insane way well but like is it good or
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bad uh I'm a simple man I simple answers
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I it's heavy and expensive and
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Powerful it has a GTX
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980 um yeah apparently this one has two
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980s which is what insane really hold on
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a second here two 980s stuffed in there
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what you sure yeah apparently it has two 980s in
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it do we have one the laptop actually comes with two 330 watt power supplies
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meaning that this laptop actually I had not gone far
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enough to realize it has had 298 this laptop will consume as much
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power as a desktop
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um and be about as portable really as a desktop with a screen on the side panel
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yeah so make of that what you will uh
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it's not the only ridiculous thing that ASUS released at the show the zenbo
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proves that uh this is this is a great this is a great headline from end Gadget
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proves that our robot Butler dreams remain just
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that the promotional video for this thing is freaking creepy oh wow that
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face they could they could have chosen any other face let me go ahead and move
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the uh move this down there you go so we
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can put this full screen appreciate the this thing is freaking here's the here's
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the YouTube video you guys you guys don't even really need audio but it's
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like it's just so weird like it
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introduces all these characters or something and then it
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shows how zenbo helps them yeah but what it
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doesn't have arms and then well he tells Grandpa to take his medication or like
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your phone could do that he takes pictures with a terrible camera but your
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phone could do that um
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yes but um they're all going to be waste high level then like Grandpa falls down
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in this like weird slowmo sequence and
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then zenbo gives mom a live view of how
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Grandpa fell down and makes sure that
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Grandpa's okay and stuff it's it's look at him like
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smiling while Grandpa Falls can he recognize that a person has fallen down
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I mean computer vision is a difficult thing to do yeah I'm uh what if a dog
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falls to the floor and just kind of walks away I mean will it be able to
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tell the difference yeah I'm really not sold on this and it's like an 11 minute
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long video does it have any useful information uh if you were looking to
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buy a zenbo and you were wondering about the things that it theoretically does
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then yes it contains a lot of useful information otherwise I would say it's
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11 agonizing minutes of I sure wish that
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that the zenbo was a product that anyone could care about and that uh and that
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isus hadn't spend their time doing something else um so here's the
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functionality it apparently has it can detect faces it can apparently help with
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cooking because it can put recipes up on its screen although I can't think of a
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reason that I would want a robot on the floor with my recipe on its face pick it
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up and put on the counter yeah which is like I could have a laptop to do that it
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has built-in speakers for music okay it can connect to Smart devices like air
63:33
conditioners lighting TVs and connected door locks oh oh I would not want to
63:38
connect it can move around independently door lock assuming that your house
63:41
doesn't have any stairs and it will learn fallen and I
63:46
can't get up and it will apparently learn and adapt to how you use it of
63:49
course it will um well one solution so does the mechanoid g15 and that thing
63:54
was awful one solution to getting your
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stupid Butler upstairs would be a dumb
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waiter can we move on now yeah we can move
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on uh what else we got here like
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robotics you know you would there's some impressive
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uh hurdles that have been made but um
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this thing is is way too early like there's no way that it's going to have the functionality that you would want
64:25
from a robot B assistant not even close not even close like it doesn't have an
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ARM give it one ARM that's all you need
64:32
hey one ARM well I mean that's where you
64:36
start you're so amature I always you
64:40
know forget I don't know why Indian customers hit hard on NVIDIA for insane
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pricing of their 1080 graphics card so the founders Edition is supposed to be
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somewhere in the neighborhood of $699 us with 5.99 being more like what you'd
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expect for regular models uh non-reference cards so on May 27th it was officially
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released and officially available on amazon. one of the top three online
65:05
shopping websites in India Zotac Gigabyte and ASUS apparently have their
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prices listed 57 to 87% higher than the
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price announced at NVIDIA's launch event so prices should be at around 47,000
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rupees but cards are listed around
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71,500 rupees or about 1,
65:26
70 us I would love to give the benefit of
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the doubt and say Indian retailers probably screwed up the model number and
65:34
the pricing columns mhm very funny but that's probably not
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what happened I mean the reality of it is whether it's due to tariffs or taxes
65:44
or any other wide variety of reasons
65:48
sometimes us pricing does not translate to other countries with that said this
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does look a little bit like pure gouging
65:58
to me um you got to you know you got to
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gouge someone so you know what I would
66:05
let's do another straw poll here I want to hear from you guys do us prices
66:11
translate to where you live because honestly here in Canada they pretty much
66:16
do in some cases no these are pricier here some things are but computer
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components are generally once you factor in exchange rate and factor in that
66:25
shipping does just cost a little more up here they are pretty darn close you
66:30
might not see the same uh like Black Friday deals for example but general
66:34
pricing day today is actually very very
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close so I want to hear from you guys uh whether that's what you have observed
66:42
where you're from this is really cool uh have you
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checked out the elevated bus no okay
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scroll down to that topic and have a look and I'll uh we'll make that our
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next one but I want to show the drop hole results here
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first so yeah we've got a whopping 54%
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of you oh I screwed up the title but hopefully you guys were hopefully you
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guys were listening while I was telling you about the title of it do us prices
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to where you live we've got 53% of you saying no 25% of you throwing away your
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vote and uh only 22% of you saying yes
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which given that I think over 22% of our
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viewership is in the US would mean that some of our us viewers
67:29
either they all figured out that they shouldn't vote because they are from the
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US M or they um got a little
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confused so I wasn't paying attention I'm looking at this elevated bus yeah
67:43
this thing looks freaking it looks really cool awesome comma but I have
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some concerns yeah I've got a handful of concerns too so this is pretty cool
67:53
there's a YouTube video of it here I'm just going to go ahead pull this up so this there you go it's
67:59
not up is the oh whoops I'm sorry let's go ahead and share Linus's screen so
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this is sort of a a a concept for an
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elevated bus so the passengers sit up here mhm and the idea is that this would
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solve congestion Problems by actually having it drive above the road above
68:19
cars on the road let me tell you though if I was in a car and that thing passed
68:23
me I would be terrified
68:26
I would be like whoa suddenly I'm in a tunnel I you know I I was going to turn
68:32
like people are going to freak out when that thing goes over them yep I mean
68:35
people in bike Lanes might get yeah hit
68:39
um anyone in sort of a taller than normal vehicle might have a bit of a
68:43
problem well you would have to oh dear you'd have to impose height limits on
68:46
cars on certain roads yep yeah you'd have to like have the bars so you can't
68:50
even enter there are definitely some issues with the idea but like it's a
68:54
cool idea in Theory maybe but if it was
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deployed strategically I could see this being
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pretty cool it will be apparently be able to carry 1,200 passengers will be
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able to go over top of cars and let traffic pass underneath it it runs on
69:08
fixed rails along the road and they had a scale model shown at the Expo so here
69:13
in Vancouver is area we have something called The Sky Train which is basically
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just a Subway but it's elevated it's in the air and it just goes over the roads
69:23
it does not interact with them either over or under so you never have to deal
69:28
with it it never has to wait at a light but the cost of that never have to you
69:31
know yeah is much higher yeah so they're estimating that this will cost
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one what a Subway would cost mhm has anyone ever done this not that
69:42
I'm aware of so it's just a little model cuz I've seen this kind of thing before
69:46
it's just a little model for now
69:49
mhm it' be super I would love to ride one of those it'd be awesome that would
69:53
be cool yeah like sitting in the front of that thing just like whipping over
69:56
the cars underneath you it' be like it would be like if Bridges could drive
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yeah I I don't imagine that it whips very much probably the cars under it are
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going to be going faster than this thing it probably Lumbers along well the idea
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is to uh get around traffic yeah but
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like be like congest what about when it comes up to a light like it's going to
70:16
have to wait at the light right because like what if you
70:19
have two of these things have toit what if you've got you've got the other cars like they can't pass through it unless
70:24
you do like columns the cars would be faster off the line but maybe the bus
70:27
would go faster when they hit a an an obstruction of some sort I don't know I
70:32
don't know man I like it I think it's cool it's cool but is it
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practical all right speaking of practical I think that's pretty much it
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for the Practical life of the show today is it let's give Taran a big round of
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applause for being my co-host today yay Taran yay tan oh wow twitch chat hates
70:51
you do they oh no no they're fine oh you're looking at
70:55
it never mind I did not get away with that one there and uh just so for those
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of you who have been wondering oh yeah we never explained all stream uh the
71:04
reason for this is I was actually shooting my review of the cat headphones
71:10
from Brookstone so I wanted uh I wanted
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a look that I felt like would
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appropriately go along with them so I got all got all done up prior to hosting
71:22
the review and then I was jealous so I put this on
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yeah pretty much there's not much to it
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yeah I look good in this um all right thanks guys see you next
71:36
time same bat Time same bat Channel yeah
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oh hopefully the intro Works got people asking if you can take
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the ears off um no I don't think so
71:48
unless you cut them off this wig is hot I know wigs make
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your head surprisingly hot it's all sweaty like it is not a pretty
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thing well I don't know if oh there it goes
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yes