1 00:00:01,319 --> 00:00:08,040 all right what's up what's up my friends 2 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:09,639 welcome to the W show we've got a great 3 00:00:08,040 --> 00:00:15,039 show for you guys today lots of different topics I've got a uh brand new 4 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:19,520 co-host here I just came in off the street you know you look like you came 5 00:00:17,279 --> 00:00:24,920 in off the street you don't have like you know a look like I do no I am 6 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:30,400 jealous actually I was hoping like do we have a wig or anything I I came in like 7 00:00:27,679 --> 00:00:33,079 off the club that's that's where I came in off of I'm going to go see if there's 8 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:40,520 anything I can wear that's all right in the meantime I'm going to tell you guys what we've got for topics today uh Intel 9 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:47,480 has unveiled Broadwell e their new flagship desktop processors that is to 10 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:51,120 say HT or high-end desktop 11 00:00:47,480 --> 00:00:53,559 processors that pricing AMD on the 12 00:00:51,120 --> 00:01:00,440 subject of maybe lower pricing has showed off their Polaris gpus and 13 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:03,120 actually did a reveal of a Zen CPU more 14 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:08,600 on that later on we've got some information this all rumors at this 15 00:01:04,879 --> 00:01:10,759 point about the OnePlus 3 launch and 16 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:17,759 Samsung has a 512 gig SSD that's like this big looks 17 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:24,040 like it is going to enable some seriously wow you look even worse than 18 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:28,720 me uh some seriously small devices with 19 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:30,759 a seriously large amount of storage so 20 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:36,680 uh without further ado do let's hope the intro Works cuz I actually did not test 21 00:01:33,439 --> 00:01:40,040 it today yeah you did no I didn't listen 22 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:44,399 to it also it seems to be taking a while 23 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:47,520 to to load there let's see if it finds 24 00:01:44,399 --> 00:01:50,159 that file and uh goes ahead and plays it 25 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:54,439 at some point that would be super duper swell come on you got this buddy you got 26 00:01:53,159 --> 00:02:00,980 this buddy buddy I need like a hair thing uh 27 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:04,109 would have that I'm going to use a 28 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:31,959 bu terrifies us all oh man this hair is 29 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:37,360 awful you can you can feel that it's cheap uh yeah I had to wear that for an 30 00:02:35,519 --> 00:02:42,080 entire W show no one's forcing you that's the key difference here you know 31 00:02:38,879 --> 00:02:43,640 what I I I want to be in the lonus club 32 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:50,480 in the Linus Club you are in the lonus club it's called lonus Media Group yo 33 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:52,560 all right so uh without further Ado why 34 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:59,879 don't we just go ahead and get this party started let's kick it off with the 35 00:02:55,800 --> 00:03:02,879 big Intel news so we can pick well we 36 00:02:59,879 --> 00:03:04,400 can pick any any Source we want for this 37 00:03:02,879 --> 00:03:12,200 particular a little bit of news let's go ahead and drop the LT Forum uh Link in 38 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:15,159 here so Intel has unveiled Broadwell e 39 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:21,879 with complete benchmarks pricing and there's 6950x overclocking results that 40 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:24,720 are out there so first let's talk 41 00:03:21,879 --> 00:03:31,560 pricing it is not going to be any surprise that the HT or high-end desktop 42 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:34,959 enthusi desktop parts are going to be priced a little higher than their 43 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:42,599 mainstream counterparts so you're used to seeing you know a 6600 K I5 or a 44 00:03:38,519 --> 00:03:49,640 6700k somewhere in that 45 00:03:42,599 --> 00:03:52,040 250 to $350 range HT starts at 46 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:55,360 $434 if you're buying lots of a thousand of them so the Assumption there would be 47 00:03:53,519 --> 00:03:59,400 that you would see these somewhere in the neighborhood of 48 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:04,519 349 if they're on a really aggressive sale all the way up to probably like 369 49 00:04:02,319 --> 00:04:08,720 or something along those lines it's funny because you can see Intel's 50 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:12,760 margins and this is my this is my former retailer coming through it's not really 51 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:18,040 my concern anymore but you can see Intel's margins on their balance sheets 52 00:04:15,079 --> 00:04:23,120 which are a lot healthier than freaking you know 6% or anything like that and as 53 00:04:21,239 --> 00:04:27,360 a retailer you have to get by what somewhere in the neighborhood of four to 54 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:30,840 5 a half% on Intel processors from my experience with that said there is 55 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:35,680 marketing funding available but it just feels like the the wealth could could be 56 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:41,160 shared a little bit in that regard though that's not necessarily the case 57 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:42,680 uh fun fact giving a typical computer 58 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:48,280 retailer more margin will basically just result in 59 00:04:45,840 --> 00:04:53,000 more policing the retailers to make sure that they aren't undercutting each other 60 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:55,080 by a dollar every other day taking all 61 00:04:53,000 --> 00:05:00,280 the margin out of the product in fact uh one of the reasons that I suspect that 62 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:04,000 many manufacturers such as NVIDIA Intel I don't believe it's legal in Canada but 63 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:08,720 in the United States you can enforce what's called a map or a minimum 64 00:05:06,039 --> 00:05:13,000 advertised price and that's the reason that they do this and even though they 65 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:17,160 do many just go around it Anyway by offering in store deals or whatever the 66 00:05:15,039 --> 00:05:21,440 case may be the advertised price or is it a minimum actual price minimum 67 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:25,639 advertised price so if you've ever seen that feature on a site and it's less 68 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:30,880 typical on Canadian sites because again like I said I believe map is still 69 00:05:27,199 --> 00:05:34,080 illegal in Canada um 70 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:36,360 if you see price too low to show add to 71 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:42,960 cart to see price that means that the price is below map Ed can I help 72 00:05:41,199 --> 00:05:49,160 you oh okay's yeah yeah I think you can scan on 73 00:05:45,280 --> 00:05:51,880 it I don't know to where so there's 74 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:55,000 that why are you talking to Ed I don't know maybe Ed wants to participate in 75 00:05:53,400 --> 00:06:00,160 the show too he doesn't have fun hair well do you have a yeah he doesn't have fun hair like us actually his hair is 76 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:05,160 getting pretty fun with his little thing he's got going there samurai there's 77 00:06:03,039 --> 00:06:09,720 like a oh man there's a hair clip that sits right under this headband that's uh 78 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:15,039 that's actually quite painful but you know fashion is not about Comfort no 79 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:19,479 fashion is about often the other way around looking uh looking amazing real 80 00:06:17,280 --> 00:06:23,360 hair that can go down this way yeah that's not a thing to brag about show 81 00:06:21,319 --> 00:06:30,039 off your do you have your ponytail thing no I have it it's now that way you have 82 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:33,280 your ponytail combed forward just under 83 00:06:30,039 --> 00:06:37,319 my hat if I'm not wearing a hat I do it 84 00:06:33,280 --> 00:06:39,919 up great I look good with this oh man 85 00:06:37,319 --> 00:06:44,639 it's not a ponytail it's a man bun a man bun should go full Rainbow Dash all the 86 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:49,520 time all right so let's talk let's talk pricing for the rest of these processor 87 00:06:46,319 --> 00:06:51,440 so to start with uh here I'm just going 88 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:55,520 to go ahead and pull up so these images are off of a ontech I love those guys 89 00:06:53,759 --> 00:07:00,080 and I'm o I'm going to have to move us over to the right for this I think there 90 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:06,759 we go so there is the 6800k so the 6800k is a six core there 91 00:07:04,479 --> 00:07:13,280 are not any here let me see yep there we go is a 6 core there are no quad cores 92 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:15,879 in the lineup just like last time around 93 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:19,680 um it is hyperthreaded all i7s are hyper threaded so that shouldn't be any kind 94 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:25,000 of a surprise anything on the HDT platform is a core i7 uh well unless you 95 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:28,800 were to like pop a zon in there it's not the kind of thing that Intel supports 96 00:07:26,319 --> 00:07:35,360 officially but between you and me in the wall it can can be done uh it's clocked 97 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:38,120 at 3.4 GHz so once again the six core 98 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:42,919 processor is actually clocked higher even at the the lower end than the 8 99 00:07:40,759 --> 00:07:48,479 core processor so this was the case last time around with the 100 00:07:45,319 --> 00:07:51,840 5960x and it turbos up to a multiplier 101 00:07:48,479 --> 00:07:54,000 of 35 or you can see up to 102 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:59,800 3.6 gigahertz so let's step it up a little 103 00:07:56,360 --> 00:08:02,240 bit let's go have a look at the 6850 104 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:07,440 there are actually Four SKS this time which is which is pretty interesting so 105 00:08:04,319 --> 00:08:11,400 this one is clocked a little higher and 106 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:13,360 otherwise um basically pretty much the 107 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:19,400 same thing it's even rated at the same TDP although Ian over at a ntech 108 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:21,000 actually tested them and I mean it's 109 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:25,599 something that I've personally been aware of for quite some time but may not 110 00:08:23,759 --> 00:08:29,080 be something that you guys know he tested them and discovered that even 111 00:08:27,199 --> 00:08:33,240 though they're all rated at the same TDP or thermal design power uh the power 112 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:37,039 consumption from one ship to another is actually quite different and the reason 113 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:41,399 for that will be fairly evident once we go have a look at the third skew so this 114 00:08:39,039 --> 00:08:41,399 is the 115 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:47,000 6900k this one comes in oh right so the 116 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:51,040 other difference between those last two was 28 PCI Express Lanes on the lower 117 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:56,480 end one and 40 on the higher end one they are pulling that again so the 118 00:08:53,880 --> 00:09:01,519 6900k is actually more of a direct replacement for the 5960x 119 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:07,399 and the reason that I say that is here we go from six cores to eight cores with 120 00:09:05,279 --> 00:09:11,200 hyperthreading and actually the same clock speed so this is what would have 121 00:09:09,519 --> 00:09:17,399 typically been an extreme Edition in every way including pricing this Chip is 122 00:09:14,279 --> 00:09:20,279 going to cost you a whopping 123 00:09:17,399 --> 00:09:25,800 th000 at retail actually a little bit more now they've actually increased the 124 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:30,560 pricing there so it is 1089 for a 125 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:34,680 6900k in lots of a th000 leading to a 126 00:09:30,560 --> 00:09:37,440 chip that has never existed before lower 127 00:09:34,680 --> 00:09:40,760 maximum clock speed for the flagship one like I was saying this is similar to 128 00:09:38,959 --> 00:09:47,320 last generation where the eight core is clocked lower than the six 129 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:50,000 cores but this one has a whopping 10 130 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:54,440 cores and it's overclockable on a desktop platform based on early results 131 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:59,680 you would expect somewhere in the neighborhood of 132 00:09:56,600 --> 00:10:04,839 4.1 and change gigahertz when 133 00:09:59,680 --> 00:10:04,839 overclocking it making it at 134 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:12,440 $1,700 a very difficult purchase to 135 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:15,640 justify so let's start talking workloads okay what do people do with computers 136 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:23,800 well like I was just going to say like slow down here this all just sounds like a bunch of techno Babble to me why 137 00:10:19,399 --> 00:10:25,000 should I as a normal person care about 138 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:30,120 all of this do you hear what he just called himself lean into the microphone 139 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:36,399 a little bit as a normal person yeah well not quite like that but like sit up 140 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:37,519 yeah you know just I armrest is still on 141 00:10:36,399 --> 00:10:43,440 this chair see that's what happens when you 142 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:47,120 have armrests it's a 143 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:50,000 disaster okay so okay so what are you 144 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:55,000 asking uh I was I was saying like why why should the average person care about 145 00:10:52,399 --> 00:11:00,240 the new 10 core Intel CPU um well this is where I wanted to 146 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:03,120 get into different workloads okay so tell me what what do people do on their 147 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:06,680 computers just start start firing stuff at me uh gaming I do a lot of video okay 148 00:11:05,639 --> 00:11:12,200 well hold on hold on let's do one at a time rapid fire so for gaming um I 149 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:16,760 didn't say rapidly fire I said fire at me so for for 150 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:24,760 gaming the the 6950x so the extreme Edition 151 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:27,320 $1,700 plus 1,800 probably retail $1,800 152 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:32,279 processor performs identically across the board 153 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:36,240 to The Other Extreme Edition processor so the six the two six cores and the8 154 00:11:34,959 --> 00:11:42,240 core identically um because gaming is is 155 00:11:39,839 --> 00:11:46,600 mostly going to come down to what clock speed you can run your fastest two to 156 00:11:44,959 --> 00:11:50,120 four cores at in the case of going up against 157 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:56,079 something like a 6700k so that's a Skylake quad core on 158 00:11:53,320 --> 00:12:01,040 the mainstream platform it will actually lose in quite a few cases because it is 159 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:06,839 clocked significantly lower skyl can turbo up to 4 GHz so uh that that's 160 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:10,120 about a 10% difference in clock speed not to mention that it's running a more 161 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:17,680 upto-date microarchitecture so on the desktop platform they actually are running one 162 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:20,279 full generation newer of Chip design 163 00:12:17,680 --> 00:12:23,320 enabling newer features as well as higher performance and lower power 164 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:27,360 consumption you say on the desktop platform you mean like desktops not 165 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:30,880 laptop the mainstream desktop platform cuz these are both desktop platforms 166 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:37,320 that we're talking talking about great so not high-end desktop regular desktop 167 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:39,199 okay so for gaming basically it makes no 168 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:43,199 sense at all hit me with another use case to have the 10 core yeah to have 169 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:48,079 the $1,700 extreme Edition 10 core okay video editing video editing okay so once 170 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:53,959 again um I pretty much can't think of a scenario where it makes any sense really 171 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:56,800 because in most cases you are either 172 00:12:53,959 --> 00:13:00,639 once again limited by Peak clock speed MH or 173 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:05,560 you are using some kind of workload like 174 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:10,720 let's say sorns and squeeze where you can take advantage of more cores and if 175 00:13:08,399 --> 00:13:17,000 that's the case then let's go ahead and have a look at what's available in the 176 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:19,480 Zeon E5 V4 lineup because those chips 177 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:23,680 are actually socket for socket compatible with pretty much any board 178 00:13:22,279 --> 00:13:29,639 that would hold one of these extreme editions I'm going to go ahead and pull up Intel's Arc 179 00:13:26,839 --> 00:13:34,399 website let's find something comparably priced here here's a 180 00:13:31,839 --> 00:13:40,800 $1,745 processor that consumes less power and has 14 cores clocked at 2.4 181 00:13:38,399 --> 00:13:47,440 GHz let's have a look at its max turbo speed of 3.3 182 00:13:44,199 --> 00:13:49,240 GHz is that impressive so yeah that's 183 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:53,680 that's pretty that's pretty freaking good not to mention that it comes with 184 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:57,360 ECC memory support so oh yeah of course with that said it doesn't support 185 00:13:55,560 --> 00:14:01,600 overclocking so let's have a look at what else they have in sort of a a 186 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:06,079 comparable price range here's a lower clocked 16 187 00:14:03,560 --> 00:14:09,800 core probably wouldn't be looking at that unless I was in like a heavily 188 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:16,720 virtualized environment where I'm running a lot of host operating systems 189 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:19,440 um what about like uh rendering for 3D 190 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:23,440 animation um in that case it's going to basically that's one of the few 191 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:27,720 workloads where you can basically take the number of cores times the frequency 192 00:14:26,199 --> 00:14:30,920 that they run at factoring in the architecture that they use and kind of 193 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:36,279 just add them up and get an actual result it scales 3D rendering scales 194 00:14:34,279 --> 00:14:40,839 relatively linearly but that's on the CPU not the GPU right are are we 195 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:44,759 rendering with the CPU if we're talking about CPU rendering then but would you 196 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:48,000 want to do that um well really depends on your on what application you're using 197 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:53,360 it's one of those things where it comes down to to what that person's actually 198 00:14:50,279 --> 00:14:55,279 using so so Intel's competing against 199 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:59,639 zons in these heavily multi-threaded workloads and then the other issue that 200 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:04,399 I have is particular with our new workflow in Adobe Premiere we could 201 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:11,639 easily be using quad cores we did a video recently with an Ultra Book a dual 202 00:15:08,399 --> 00:15:13,959 core Ultrabook editing video over the 203 00:15:11,639 --> 00:15:18,800 network using our cfor codec that we convert all of our footage to and the 204 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:21,839 performance was fine so the only thing you would actually be able to use the 205 00:15:20,079 --> 00:15:28,480 extra horses for would be the final export which from my experience only 206 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:29,600 benefits from a about so we've got 14 207 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:35,680 core process processors in those machines right now and they hit about 60% usage so from about eight 208 00:15:35,959 --> 00:15:42,560 cores of 10 out of out of 10 yeah so so 209 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:46,480 you could easily buy the eight core instead oh and that would wouldn't 210 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:50,199 utilize just six then it actually utilizes up to eight yeah it utilizes up 211 00:15:48,399 --> 00:15:55,519 to eight from my experience with the way that we rendered h.264 yeah so but most 212 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:59,519 people don't go to copor First unless they have watched our stuff and realize 213 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:05,240 that it's awesome so you're paying an extra 214 00:16:01,199 --> 00:16:07,199 $700 dear for two more cores on an8 core 215 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:12,519 there's another problem is that dual socket motherboards are not that 216 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:17,560 expensive compared to regular motherboards especially if you're already spending $1,700 on a processor 217 00:16:15,519 --> 00:16:21,560 let's assume that you're buying a decent motherboard to go with it so let's have 218 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:29,160 a look at here's a 90 watt chip with 10 cores clocked at 2.4 to uh let's see 3.4 219 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:31,839 GHz max turbo you could throw two of 220 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:35,079 those in that's a $939 processor so just spending a little bit more you could 221 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:38,920 chuck two of these bad boys in for a total of 20 222 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:42,480 cores if you had a heavily multi-threaded workload and it would be 223 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:46,759 able to use all of that well depends if you have a heavily multi-threaded 224 00:16:43,639 --> 00:16:49,240 workload then yes so no Dwarf Fortress 225 00:16:46,759 --> 00:16:55,240 so no Dwarf Fortress would it only utilizes One Core okay all right so I 226 00:16:52,199 --> 00:16:58,600 think so hit me with another workload oh 227 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:59,480 dear uh uh uh Ste at home folding at 228 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:04,439 home one those things so once again my 20 229 00:17:02,319 --> 00:17:08,799 core dual Zeon setup is going to absolutely mop the floor with it yeah 230 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:12,120 yep that can be utilized with multiple yes stuff yeah and if it couldn't then a 231 00:17:10,839 --> 00:17:16,000 10 core definitely wouldn't make a difference so distributed computing 232 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:21,000 would benefit from our overclocked 10 core processor but not enough to justify 233 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:26,439 the price hit me again I'm I'm out I don't have anymore you you hit you I'm 234 00:17:23,120 --> 00:17:29,480 out too I can't figure out what this 235 00:17:26,439 --> 00:17:33,080 product is for especially at that 236 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:35,080 price I think at $1,000 if they were 237 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:40,559 giving us the eight core at the kind of 650 700 price point and if they were 238 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:46,080 giving us maybe even you know I'd be okay with a six core but maybe with all 239 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:48,120 the PCI Express Lanes or an eight core 240 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:52,440 with the 28 PCI Express Lanes like if we were really getting a significant 241 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:54,360 Improvement this time around then I 242 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:58,440 would be pretty happy like like hang on like why do they make a 10 core CPU if 243 00:17:56,679 --> 00:18:04,000 it's not really useful for many things you just get more CPUs cheaper what's 244 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:08,400 the point it is useful for things but it's like not at that price at $1,000 245 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:14,640 well yeah that's the point if it's not useful at that price then it's not useful so basically what it looks like 246 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:19,840 happened is somewhat in Intel went well CRA we can no not not that I mean no I 247 00:18:18,360 --> 00:18:25,919 don't think Intel does anything just because they can anymore I think someone 248 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:28,400 at Intel went if we deliver an8 core 249 00:18:25,919 --> 00:18:33,640 overclockable processor so we're talking you know 4 GHz time 10 so 40 GHz of 250 00:18:31,799 --> 00:18:40,880 power yes I know it doesn't scale like that we are going to be seriously 251 00:18:37,120 --> 00:18:44,080 cannibalizing zeeon unless we hamstring 252 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:47,720 it in some way or Jack the price and it 253 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:49,559 already is hamstrung in a way so it is 254 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:53,520 not capable of having two of them installed on a single motherboard MH 255 00:18:51,880 --> 00:19:00,520 that's something that's been true of the HDT processors since ah since skull 256 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:04,559 Trail I guess yeah since skull Trail I don't know what skull Trail is um it was 257 00:19:02,360 --> 00:19:08,000 a very very expensive basically it was two zons but they branded them as 258 00:19:06,039 --> 00:19:11,400 extreme editions and then a specific motherboard that you could put them on 259 00:19:09,679 --> 00:19:16,200 wonderful two motherboards I think EVGA had one as well so other than skull 260 00:19:13,679 --> 00:19:21,559 Trail um we've never seen an extreme Edition 261 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:26,640 processor an overclockable processor that can be installed with two uh can be 262 00:19:24,679 --> 00:19:28,799 installed in a dual socket board or at least have two of them installed in a 263 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:32,720 dual socket board I've heard that that they'll work in a dual socket board if you only install one of them are there 264 00:19:31,120 --> 00:19:37,480 triple socket boards there are quad socket boards and eight socket boards oh 265 00:19:34,919 --> 00:19:41,799 wow yes does it go only up to eight uh I am not aware of a 16 socket board and 266 00:19:40,039 --> 00:19:47,960 the size of it would be a thing to be reckoned with um so make a fun video 267 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:53,679 basically I think that's what happened they were worried that taking away ECC 268 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:58,480 memory compatibility wouldn't be enough to prevent high-end workstation and 269 00:19:55,919 --> 00:20:02,120 entrylevel server customers from using the things at 270 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:06,799 $1,000 and they couldn't figure out a way other than just throwing more cores 271 00:20:04,559 --> 00:20:13,000 on it to differentiate it from the last generation extreme Edition in a 272 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:14,760 significant enough way that customers 273 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:19,520 would kind of drool over it all over again all right all right but blah blah 274 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:21,679 blah who is it for it is for people with 275 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:26,000 more money than since okay which has been true of many extreme editions in 276 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:29,679 the past normal consumers not like like big companies oh like who are they 277 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:35,799 trying to sell it to yeah regular consumers like Gamers okay Gamers who 278 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:39,799 want a little bit less performance watch lus Tech tips and then they'll know that 279 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:42,880 it's pointless um no that's that's not the case at all in fact um I forget 280 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:49,440 where I was reading this but I looked at a really interesting graph of the 281 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:51,400 estimated uh sell through of Intel's HDT 282 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:57,480 lineup over the last several Generations it might have been on wccf Tech and the 283 00:20:55,120 --> 00:21:01,559 um and the price so times the price and the most successful ful processors 284 00:20:59,559 --> 00:21:07,799 they've had in terms of Revenue have been the more hardcore ones 285 00:21:05,360 --> 00:21:12,120 um yeah the higher priced ones that increase the core count over the 286 00:21:09,799 --> 00:21:16,600 previous generation so it looks like Intel is trying to make that exact 287 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:24,720 lightning strike here but I personally really doubt it 288 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:30,279 and I sincerely hope not unless this is 289 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:34,240 an omen huh yes an omen because the last 290 00:21:30,279 --> 00:21:37,919 time a processor manufacturer took kind 291 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:41,720 of the existing pricing structure and 292 00:21:37,919 --> 00:21:44,080 and and blew it like way Sky High for no 293 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:49,080 apparent reason other than to create the illusion of bragging rights amongst 294 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:54,120 their most affluent customers the last time that happened it 295 00:21:51,480 --> 00:22:00,799 was AMD pulling this crap with the original FX it was actually Intel 296 00:21:57,360 --> 00:22:03,520 responding to am D when they created 297 00:22:00,799 --> 00:22:09,880 extreme Edition so AMD was the one who started this like thousand FX you can 298 00:22:06,679 --> 00:22:13,240 only get one if you spend $1,000 on it 299 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:15,640 lineup so what I'm hoping is that now 300 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:19,799 that that's happening again because what happened right after AMD did FX was 301 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:25,679 Intel took the balance of power back they crushed the FX with like a $400 302 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:28,039 chip what I'm hoping is that AMD Zen 303 00:22:25,679 --> 00:22:34,120 will be affordable and make this thing look really embarrassing for 304 00:22:30,799 --> 00:22:37,279 Intel Billy Hatcher 312 says shut up 305 00:22:34,120 --> 00:22:39,919 with pre-recorded crap so uh there you 306 00:22:37,279 --> 00:22:44,240 go Billy pre-recorded I'm proving that it's not pre-recorded by responding to 307 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:49,760 his comments oh lovely yeah all right so there you have it 308 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:55,000 that's my take on the 60 that was fasc 6950x did you almost fall asleep these 309 00:22:53,039 --> 00:23:00,039 chairs are comfortable these chairs are comfortable but lean all the way back as 310 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:02,919 well yes you can do that please do not mess with these chairs someone messed 311 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:07,520 with this one and it was like tilted funny yeah but handle's right here on 312 00:23:05,159 --> 00:23:11,360 the left well just it's right there just just don't cuz lonus will get upset yeah 313 00:23:09,679 --> 00:23:14,720 well it's like two seconds to fix all right so yeah but I couldn't figure out 314 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:18,960 how to do it that was the problem I told you before and you would ignored me well 315 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:25,159 I forgot mm all right let's go ahead and drop our next Topic in the chat here AMD 316 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:27,320 Polaris and Zen reveals so let's talk 317 00:23:25,159 --> 00:23:32,480 Polaris first this is where I was at in maau down a little bit Yeah find you can 318 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:36,600 just talk with twitch chat if you want you don't have to you know I might pay 319 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:41,760 attention if you're bored I am bored um so let's talk about Polaris first so I 320 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:45,559 was at the event in maau um here's what 321 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:48,840 we know so far the goal is to bring real 322 00:23:45,559 --> 00:23:52,200 VR like like Rift Vive grade VR to the 323 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:55,320 first 100 million customers 324 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:57,679 um that's the $200 thingy I actually 325 00:23:55,320 --> 00:24:02,640 don't know how much of this is rumor and how much of this 326 00:23:59,279 --> 00:24:04,720 is uh not rumor right now so there's a 327 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:08,600 ZDNet article that we've pulled the information from I don't know how much 328 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:13,200 of it is is is embargoed and how much of it isn't because uh I know at least some 329 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:17,520 of it is so according to the ZDNet article it's built on the 14 nanometer 330 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:21,799 fin fet process from Global foundaries it will have greater than five teraflops 331 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:26,399 of power oh this is apparently all from the announcement stream thanks Nick um 332 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:32,240 256 GB per second of memory bandwidth four or 8 gigs of gddr5 333 00:24:28,919 --> 00:24:35,039 150 wat power dry draw starting at 199 334 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:39,880 us although I would personally speculate that the 8 gig version will not be 335 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:46,279 available for 1999 at least to start they are claiming up to a 2.8x 336 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:50,080 performance per watt um improvement over 337 00:24:46,279 --> 00:24:52,600 the previous generation And to clarify 338 00:24:50,080 --> 00:25:02,320 even though they were talking a lot about VR VR VR VR with the rx480 339 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:05,080 that is not the entire point of the card 340 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:10,200 and I actually had quite a few people hold on a second I'm just 341 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:10,200 creating a straw pole 342 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:18,120 here for non VR let's go with yes 343 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:23,880 no here we go sorry I've got my straw pull created here so I had quite a few 344 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:25,640 people kind of go well ginus on this on 345 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:30,360 the video that I uploaded where I was did an interview with Roger caduri say 346 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:35,840 like I'm not interested in VR so what is this just a VR card and the answer is no 347 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:40,440 of course not what they're talking about when they say it's really great for VR 348 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:46,520 is they're saying that it is powerful enough for VR at an affordable price not 349 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:50,240 that it only works for VR so I would expect this card in fact one of the 350 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:54,720 demos they did the only demo I've seen of its performance so far one of the 351 00:25:52,279 --> 00:25:59,840 demos they did showed it up against two RX 480s up against a single GTX 1080 352 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:06,360 ashes of the singularity holding up pretty darn well 353 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:07,880 in a non VR 3D workload now does it have 354 00:26:06,360 --> 00:26:13,120 that minimum High frame rate that you were talking about so that is one of the 355 00:26:10,399 --> 00:26:19,960 things that they would be tackling in a sort of VR optimized design helping it 356 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:21,760 not dip below that minimum VR frame rate 357 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:26,320 of 90 frames per second you can't have that it's crazy now with that said 358 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:33,360 controlling dips is also enormously beneficial for flat 3D gaming so it's 359 00:26:30,159 --> 00:26:36,120 not a problem that they've optimized the 360 00:26:33,360 --> 00:26:38,760 architecture to avoid dips in frame rate that wouldn't hurt anybody everyone 361 00:26:37,559 --> 00:26:42,559 should be happy about that just the reason it's more important for VR is 362 00:26:40,799 --> 00:26:45,880 that it doesn't make you feel sick when you're looking at a panel in front of 363 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:53,480 you whereas when you're in a virtual reality headset it most assuredly does 364 00:26:50,120 --> 00:26:55,120 yes so this is interesting we have a 365 00:26:53,480 --> 00:27:01,320 whopping 53% of you and if we factor out the 366 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:04,600 turnup vote it becomes even more like 367 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:06,640 70% of you are interested in the 368 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:10,279 rx480 okay we haven't we haven't actually done one of these in a while 369 00:27:08,159 --> 00:27:15,960 but we are going to have to do a Twitter Blitz here I want to hear from you guys 370 00:27:12,120 --> 00:27:20,320 tweet me at linch on Twitter yeah are 371 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:22,039 you yeah planning to buy an rx480 sight 372 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:26,159 unseen you haven't even seen the performance yet do we not have the specs 373 00:27:23,919 --> 00:27:29,480 do we not know we have specs but that doesn't necessarily tell us the whole 374 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:34,480 story and we don't even have all the specs 36 compute units uh and then we 375 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:37,919 have memory bandwidth and we have five ter like we know approximately how it's 376 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:44,519 going to perform but that is not the whole story how powerful is the AMD hype 377 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:47,399 train here guys hit me up and let me 378 00:27:44,519 --> 00:27:52,880 know in the Twitter Blitz you know are you planning to buy one and it doesn't 379 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:54,279 necessarily have to be for you tell me 380 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:59,080 what you're planning to buy it for like are you planning to buy one for a 381 00:27:56,279 --> 00:28:03,120 friend's computer or for a Rel computer or something along those lines I do want 382 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:08,200 to hear from you guys let's go ahead and chat Zen very briefly here while I wait 383 00:28:05,519 --> 00:28:13,720 for some results to roll in there uh let me just go uh actually I 384 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:17,240 think this article is the ZD net one that I was accidentally referring to 385 00:28:15,399 --> 00:28:21,840 before let's go ahead and pop that in there all 386 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:27,840 right so I've heard it speculated you know six ways from 387 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:32,159 Sunday that Zen will be released you know 388 00:28:29,159 --> 00:28:33,600 this year or early next year or early 389 00:28:32,159 --> 00:28:39,200 this year I mean there has been rumors flying about Zen this is AMD's upcoming 390 00:28:36,559 --> 00:28:46,600 Flagship CPU architecture it's going to be awesome or not well according to you 391 00:28:43,279 --> 00:28:49,159 know AMD Fanboys and AMD employees yes 392 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:52,760 but they've both let me down a number of times in the past so I'm personally 393 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:55,600 withholding any judgment until I actually am holding one and putting it 394 00:28:54,159 --> 00:29:04,840 into a motherboard but um it looks like they may actually 395 00:29:00,799 --> 00:29:08,519 be coming closer so here's the update 396 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:13,679 Lisa Sue held a Zen processor that she 397 00:29:08,519 --> 00:29:17,320 claimed is working in her hand on 398 00:29:13,679 --> 00:29:19,159 stage they are claiming 40% higher IPC 399 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:23,200 that's instructions per clock versus the last generation although we don't know 400 00:29:20,679 --> 00:29:29,320 anything about the final clock speed what was shown was eight cores 16 401 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:34,159 threads so we should have some kind of hyperthreading equivalent on the AMD 402 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:38,039 side now it's going to be using a finfet process which is not any kind of a 403 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:42,720 surprise there will be an am4 desktop platform to go with it which oh man AMD 404 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:49,240 is sorely in need of a desktop platform up totally I mean did you know no that 405 00:29:46,279 --> 00:29:59,039 AMD's Flagship desktop processor the 9590 FX whatever it is um still runs PCI 406 00:29:54,159 --> 00:30:01,399 Express 2.0 that sounds old and DDR3 oh 407 00:29:59,039 --> 00:30:05,799 bz Express 2.0 is older than DDR3 but that's okay I like having you here for 408 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:10,880 these reactions I enjoy that um because even though I had actually 409 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:15,840 this was kind of a back room discussion so I'm not going to say which motherboard manufacturer said it but one 410 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:20,960 motherboard manufacturer had actually done the work of enabling PCI Express 411 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:26,000 3.0 they had motherboards that they'd like had it working on and then for 412 00:30:23,679 --> 00:30:29,960 AMD's chip yeah and there was there was kind of no official support or there 413 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:37,840 that update is just not coming oh so they tried it got it kind of working so 414 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:41,600 so like it it got as bad as like motherboard makers were trying to do the 415 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:45,919 work for them yeah and nothing ever happened feel like that with Premiere 416 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:52,159 well I'm doing the work for Adobe so there's no date for Zen but 417 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:57,159 what was said is that it's alive it's on track and they are extraordinarily 418 00:30:55,240 --> 00:31:03,039 excited about what Zen will bring to the marketplace due date on this or they 419 00:30:59,639 --> 00:31:04,960 just so it could be Vapor Weare I would 420 00:31:03,039 --> 00:31:11,600 say I would say I'll be surprised if it's not Q4 this year or more much more 421 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:13,679 likely q1 Q2 next year Q4 means the last 422 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:17,919 four months kids I'm going to let you think about 423 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:24,559 that for a second last three months yeah well you know four time 3 is 12 424 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:29,000 divides in there somehow thank you Teran three all right let's go ahead and jump 425 00:31:26,559 --> 00:31:33,600 on to that uh that Twitter Blitz over there have a look at what you guys are 426 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:38,960 uh have a look at what you guys are oh dang it I don't know why it does this 427 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:39,760 give me my give me my window region come 428 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:45,919 on baby come on baby what are you talking about you can do this what are you doing 429 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:48,760 oh I'm just waiting for the uh the dialogue to pop up so that I can go 430 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:55,519 ahead and capture you know what it's okay I can just start reading some of these um Stephen Workman says I'm saving 431 00:31:53,240 --> 00:32:00,279 up for my first proper gaming PC and I'm really interested in the 480 the frames 432 00:31:57,559 --> 00:32:05,600 per Canadian peso look pretty good that's that's a serious Factor like this 433 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:08,240 will be a serious gaming card available 434 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:12,360 at a price that people outside of the United States of America might actually 435 00:32:10,639 --> 00:32:15,880 be able to afford but like it is a serious gaming card right like we know 436 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:20,200 the specs we know that it will be good we know that it will be fluff good we 437 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:24,039 just don't know how good uhhuh we know the minimum goodness and there are other 438 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:29,600 things that we don't know for example like we don't know if it's going to be plagued by driver issues out of the gate 439 00:32:27,399 --> 00:32:33,799 oh boy that'll be fun like we have we have no way of predicting something like 440 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:42,000 that um here we go eore says yes rx480 for my 441 00:32:38,279 --> 00:32:46,679 own rig sold my 7970 Crossfire and will 442 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:48,600 buy it there you go uh Bob Ross I'm 443 00:32:46,679 --> 00:32:51,960 considering it for a friend's thousand gaming rig Brian says I'm waiting for 444 00:32:50,919 --> 00:32:59,519 GTX 1050 unless someone puts a fraking back 445 00:32:55,080 --> 00:33:03,320 plate on the RX um I would say Brian I 446 00:32:59,519 --> 00:33:08,240 probably would not I probably would not 447 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:10,679 make my decision about a GPU based on 448 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:16,120 whether or not it has a back plate fun fact uh back plates in many cases you'll 449 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:20,159 see cutouts on them for certain components to stick up through them 450 00:33:18,159 --> 00:33:23,840 because back plates in many cases actually cause components on the back of 451 00:33:21,639 --> 00:33:26,799 the card to run hotter because there's a big thing of metal in the way because 452 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:30,799 there's a big thing of metal in the way that makes sense unless the manufacturer 453 00:33:28,559 --> 00:33:36,399 is investing in a lot of thermal interface material as well as the uh the 454 00:33:34,799 --> 00:33:40,559 Precision manufacturing of the back plate that will allow it to rest evenly 455 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:45,840 on all of those components um they actually are a not that beneficial and B 456 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:50,279 can actually reduce compatibility with other cards being in 457 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:55,399 your system at the same time because the spec for the spacing of a PCI slot does 458 00:33:52,960 --> 00:34:00,720 not account for anything above the PCB on the back of the card so there's a you 459 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:04,960 put the thing on top of my head fun fact for you no no it's not actually there oh 460 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:13,440 yeah no it is it's on the stream see oh really yeah it's right there 461 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:17,000 oh uh oops you captured your own oh okay 462 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:18,599 well headless tan over here gosh darn 463 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:22,720 it um whatever I give up on that I'm just 464 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:27,800 going to read them to you guys uh Nitro blast says you have to get 465 00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:32,480 the timing just right to get it on on the W show 466 00:34:29,720 --> 00:34:38,800 lol yes that is true and it is pretty tough uh Daniel says I I could buy it 467 00:34:35,399 --> 00:34:42,599 yet holy cow compared to even to the 468 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:45,320 straw pole there's a lot of you guys 469 00:34:42,599 --> 00:34:50,000 saying yeah let's go for it see I'm way more cautious than this I don't like to 470 00:34:47,599 --> 00:34:54,200 buy anything unless it's been out for a while everything about it is known 471 00:34:52,599 --> 00:34:57,880 people have been using it for a while they know that it's good I don't like to 472 00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:02,320 be on The Cutting Edge for stuff like this huh I think y'all y'all are crazy I 473 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:09,040 mean I personally think it's a little early too I would be waiting for GTX 474 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:10,720 1060 I just want to see how that card 475 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:16,119 plays out because what you guys need to remember is that even though AMD is 476 00:35:14,119 --> 00:35:22,440 shouting from the rooftops about how amazing RX 460 to 480 are going to be 477 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:28,920 and how they're going to be like killer performance per watt per dollar and all 478 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:32,920 that stuff it's not like this is AMD's 479 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:35,200 Flagship GTX 1080 1070 competing chip 480 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:42,839 size that's not what we're looking at here this is more of a mainstream size 481 00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:45,240 die so NVIDIA's cards NVIDIA's chips 482 00:35:42,839 --> 00:35:49,520 were never intended to compete with these Polaris chips like they sit above 483 00:35:47,359 --> 00:35:55,240 and below each other like this so for a little while here until NVIDIA fills out 484 00:35:52,319 --> 00:35:59,720 their lower-end 14 nmet cards and AMD fills out their higher end ones whether 485 00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:03,560 you you buy NVIDIA or AMD could basically come down to how much money 486 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:09,119 you have to spend if you're looking at that like a a value gaming rig you may 487 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:13,359 be forced to buy AMD because NVIDIA's last generation 28 nanometer Maxwell 488 00:36:11,319 --> 00:36:17,640 chips are probably going to make no sense compared to Polaris but if you 489 00:36:15,599 --> 00:36:21,839 want a high-end rig I mean unless you want to just start like stacking RX 480s 490 00:36:20,119 --> 00:36:25,200 into your system which is never a good strategy by the way adding up more cards 491 00:36:23,720 --> 00:36:30,960 you're going to be forced to buy NVIDIA because AMD won't have anything even 492 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:33,200 close to competing with it yeah what he 493 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:36,560 said or you could just lag behind by like two years and everything will be 494 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:41,119 fine all right why don't we move why don't we move on to a topic that tan 495 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:47,800 Taran will like better or 20 years that's not true so this is um I mean 496 00:36:46,119 --> 00:36:54,760 this is one of those things where it's like in your 101 philosop from from like 497 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:58,640 a a philosophy 101 type of standpoint 498 00:36:54,760 --> 00:37:02,200 yes you know you could be like who man I 499 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:05,319 have opinions on this yeah man um so 500 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:07,440 Elon Musk yeah the chance we are not 501 00:37:05,319 --> 00:37:13,920 living in a computer simulation is one in billions where did 502 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:16,800 he get that number from he figures if we 503 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:22,839 aren't stuck in a matrix style world then the world is about to end really 504 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:28,079 how now how does he furthermore figure that I so disagree with this by the way 505 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:31,000 I have lots of reasons why don't you go first and then I'll go through and then 506 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:35,480 I'll go through our notes on Mr mus there's a concept in philosophy known as 507 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:41,599 falsifiability wait or is that science whatever it's a concept for something to 508 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:44,000 be scientific it needs to be falsifiable 509 00:37:41,599 --> 00:37:48,640 so you could say that there's like there's the example of of the Russell's 510 00:37:45,720 --> 00:37:53,400 teapot floating out between Mars and and uh Earth it could be there but we don't 511 00:37:50,599 --> 00:37:58,640 know there more information prove a what teapot just a teapot okay no no okay I'm 512 00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:04,160 not explaining very well no you're not no no no okay let's start over with cism 513 00:38:01,240 --> 00:38:09,760 which is the idea that my mind is the only one that I know for sure exists I 514 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:13,359 think therefore I am right famous thing in 515 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:18,200 philosophy the only thing why is my phone making noise the only thing that 516 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:21,160 you can prove to yourself absolutely 517 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:26,079 100% is that you exist everything Beyond there you have to take at least some 518 00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:28,560 Measure of Faith to accept so as long as 519 00:38:26,079 --> 00:38:33,760 your standards of proof are not so incredibly uh hardcore that you don't 520 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:38,440 believe that the world exists by itself you can pretty much accept that the 521 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:40,520 world is real okay so the problem with 522 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:46,000 saying that we're in The Matrix or computer simulation or whatever is that 523 00:38:42,839 --> 00:38:48,760 it's not falsifiable there's no possible 524 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:51,760 way to prove that there's no way to prove it and there's no way more 525 00:38:50,119 --> 00:38:55,599 importantly there's no way to disprove it and that's why you can't believe this 526 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:59,839 and that's why you can't make any meaningful statement upon how true it is 527 00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:03,839 it's nice to be able to speculate but to put a number on it like one out of a 528 00:39:01,359 --> 00:39:09,079 million or 10 million or whatever he said that's ridiculous so to be clear it 529 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:14,640 is a bit of a sensationalist headline but here's sort of the here's sort of 530 00:39:11,319 --> 00:39:16,920 the the the Spiel the strongest argument 531 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:21,960 for us probably being in a simulation I think is the following he told the uh 532 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:30,160 code conference in California 40 years ago we had pong two rectangles and a DOT 533 00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:31,560 well I'm sold okay that's where we were 534 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:34,800 now 40 years later we have photorealistic 3D simulations with 535 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:40,400 millions of people playing simultaneously and it's getting better every year soon we'll have virtual 536 00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:44,800 reality we'll have augmented reality so he said that if the speed of these 537 00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:49,520 advancements dropped by a thousand we would still be moving forward at an 538 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:55,680 intense speed relative to the age of life in general so says probably to the 539 00:39:53,880 --> 00:40:00,520 question of whether we are all in a simulated game that we should be hopeful 540 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:03,880 we're in a simulation because otherwise if civilization stops advancing then 541 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:08,200 that may be due to some kind of calamitous event that stops civilization 542 00:40:06,359 --> 00:40:13,920 so I guess the argument is that at the rate that we are improving 543 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:19,680 technologically it shouldn't be a surprise that we can technologically 544 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:23,200 improve enough to have a simulation of 545 00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:24,760 us or oh well I mean like it there's 546 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:28,640 there's an interesting story about this where they come up with a computer that 547 00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:34,280 can simulate no they come up with a computer with infinite power right it 548 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:38,640 can it has infinite CPU Cycles yeah and so then they decide oh let's simulate 549 00:40:36,319 --> 00:40:42,800 the universe and they do that and then they figure out oh crap we're in our own 550 00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:46,480 simulation because it goes infinitely deep so the chance that you would be on 551 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:49,520 one of those simulation levels because right the computer is being simulated 552 00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:53,240 inside of the computer because it's infinite so the chance that you would be 553 00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:56,720 one of those would you know is is pretty much guaranteed so that seems like 554 00:40:55,280 --> 00:41:00,839 basically the conversation we're having the trouble is you cannot make a 555 00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:04,079 computer that can simulate the universe without it being larger than the 556 00:41:02,240 --> 00:41:09,599 universe because it would have to be in the universe right no you could have a 557 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:12,680 data set that is larger than the physical computer 558 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:19,280 itself I don't know the the the point is 559 00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:24,400 I mean the universe is is quite quite a huge thing and you know what I think the 560 00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:30,359 point is is atoms you count it's like trillion quintilian billions 561 00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:33,359 Gillian I think I'm going to need a I think I'm going to need a second all 562 00:41:31,720 --> 00:41:36,480 right let's go ahead and do a rapid fire topic here this one's uh this one's 563 00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:40,760 pretty light we don't have to think much about it original article here is from 564 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:48,480 the verge.com let's go ahead and pull this baby up ducky releases a the ducky 565 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:56,839 pocket is a mechanical keyboard calculator with Cherry MX switches oh 566 00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:58,599 great huh huh how awesome is that can I 567 00:41:56,839 --> 00:42:02,119 be the voice voice of negativity over here you can be the voice of negativity 568 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:06,160 but I'll hate you for it what's cool about mechanical 569 00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:10,079 keyboards and I'm I used to not be so sold on them and now I understand yeah 570 00:42:08,319 --> 00:42:14,200 why they're cool is that they're comfortable to type on yeah uh they're 571 00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:18,000 nice to type I don't know they're just they're they're you know they're good to 572 00:42:16,119 --> 00:42:23,040 type on but when you're typing you're doing a lot of keystrokes quite quickly 573 00:42:21,119 --> 00:42:28,400 and you need to do so accurately uhhuh with a calculator a calculator not so 574 00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:32,000 much mhm or or with something like like we have these little Tech Keys keyboards 575 00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:36,960 that have like three keys on them those don't need to be mechanical we don't 576 00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:40,440 need fancy key switches we just need buttons it doesn't matter I'm going to 577 00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:44,960 counter that argument some people touch type on a number pad okay for people who 578 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:47,680 do a lot of calculations I can see that being cool well why would anyone who 579 00:42:46,319 --> 00:42:53,119 doesn't do a lot of calculations buy a calculator they have one built into their phone that's why I don't have a 580 00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:57,720 calculator right it's part of my phone so if you were to buy a calculator 581 00:42:55,640 --> 00:43:03,160 wouldn't you by definition be the target audience for someone who would need good 582 00:42:59,960 --> 00:43:05,200 key cap or good key switches on a 583 00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:11,480 calculator I just tore your argument apart son you just got W 584 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:16,440 showed so basically why are you typing everything in by hand anyway so 585 00:43:13,319 --> 00:43:18,680 basically it's the same thing as those 586 00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:22,880 Standalone mechanical number pads that have existed for quite some time for 587 00:43:20,359 --> 00:43:26,720 laptop users in particular but now it has an LCD display on it which I 588 00:43:25,240 --> 00:43:35,079 personally think is very cool oh yeah whatever I'm sold I'm sold apparently it has RGB 589 00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:38,880 backlighting yeah see that's 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00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:26,400 training uh I learned some stuff from Excel about Excel from them I learned a 658 00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:31,960 lot of Photoshop stuff some premier stuff after effect stuff um the video 659 00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:36,720 tutorials that they do are like really good because they go through everything 660 00:48:34,839 --> 00:48:40,400 like from the ground up and they explain it you can see it happening on screen 661 00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:45,680 and it's not just horrible to follow like so many tutorials are um it's just 662 00:48:43,599 --> 00:48:50,480 it's great stuff and they've also got like photography uh animation like you 663 00:48:48,240 --> 00:48:54,240 can just scroll through uh just go to linda.com and just scroll through all 664 00:48:52,119 --> 00:49:00,400 the stuff that they offer to get an idea of what they have so stuff like office 665 00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:03,280 applications Photoshop Adobe Premiere 666 00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:06,839 photography uh there's I wasn't listening lots of different stuff it's 667 00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:11,799 used by millions worldwide they're adding new courses all the time they're 668 00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:16,200 taught by industry experts um that's important because like they'll tell you 669 00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:19,599 like oh this feature is dumb don't use it or well not in those words well it 670 00:49:17,799 --> 00:49:24,359 depends on the guy like de is pretty funny he does the Photoshop ones he will 671 00:49:21,720 --> 00:49:28,920 tell you what to do so you can use it on your iPhone on your Android device you 672 00:49:26,319 --> 00:49:33,319 can actually download the videos you can skim along through transcripts of the 673 00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:37,079 courses find the part that's interesting uh you can share your learning plan with 674 00:49:35,319 --> 00:49:41,559 someone else if you want to sort of go through the same curriculum together and 675 00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:47,760 pl started only 25 bucks a month so check it over over at 676 00:49:43,559 --> 00:49:49,839 linda.com wow yeah all right so we've 677 00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:55,400 been adding some more I had a class where literally the whole class was like 678 00:49:53,240 --> 00:49:59,000 hey just use Linda and I was like why did I pay for this class 679 00:49:57,240 --> 00:50:02,319 if they're just also making me pay for Linda I should have just done Linda in 680 00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:06,680 the first place been a lot cheaper than that class probably and so now I just 681 00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:12,160 use Linda all right so the next article here 682 00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:17,880 is from techraptor domnet here you go oh oops that was the 683 00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:22,119 wrong one that is uh that is a controversial looking thumbnail image 684 00:50:20,119 --> 00:50:28,000 that we got going on there 26 controversial games pulled from Steam in 685 00:50:24,559 --> 00:50:31,760 a German Crackdown so the removed games 686 00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:35,119 include karmageddon Max pack that is old 687 00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:39,079 game uh painkiller Black Edition it's 688 00:50:35,119 --> 00:50:42,200 like okay postal postal two postal three 689 00:50:39,079 --> 00:50:45,400 Rune Classic Time shift Uber 690 00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:48,040 Soldier uh basically some some hyper 691 00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:53,559 violent types of titles um and this is an attempt to remove media which may be 692 00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:57,200 harmful to Germany's younger audience oh dear so the game release is 693 00:50:55,920 --> 00:51:03,000 actually span an era of 20 years I was going to say 694 00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:08,200 those I those are old some of those and it appears to be ACC done accordingly to 695 00:51:05,720 --> 00:51:14,680 to the titles appearing on the list of media harmful to young people also known 696 00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:17,440 as the index so it includes Games music 697 00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:23,079 books and movies and when a title is placed on this list it is placed in one 698 00:51:19,599 --> 00:51:25,640 of two categories list a books sorry it 699 00:51:23,079 --> 00:51:30,480 includes books they're banning books now so list a is unable to receive a US 700 00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:36,480 rating so that's the German equivalent of ESRB so this prevents an official 701 00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:38,359 German release um and buyers of foreign 702 00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:43,920 versions must not make the game's content accessible to miners in any way 703 00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:45,359 and list B cannot be sold at all within 704 00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:50,359 Germany so valve hasn't issued an official statement but some of it I get 705 00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:57,079 so some of these contain um like Nazi imagery oh which is Hardcore band in 706 00:51:54,079 --> 00:51:59,200 Germany man oh yeah that 707 00:51:57,079 --> 00:52:05,520 that is definitely definitely not a thing but um some of this stuff does not 708 00:52:03,799 --> 00:52:08,880 appear to have been banned for that particular reason well like here's the 709 00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:15,839 thing I know that there's a lot of discussions about do violent video games 710 00:52:12,119 --> 00:52:17,160 make kids violence do we know the answer 711 00:52:15,839 --> 00:52:20,680 we don't know the answer some people think they know the answer but did they 712 00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:24,440 have has there been research done like because if it legitimately you know 713 00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:29,559 causes kids to be more violent then that's a concern for sure but like do we 714 00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:33,319 know there's research done but none of it's conclusive and anyone who thinks 715 00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:37,960 that any of it is conclusive has an agenda and is trying to sort of answer 716 00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:41,440 it one way or the other before they even go in and look at it there's nothing 717 00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:46,599 conclusive I can I find that so hard to believe I can personally say that I was 718 00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:50,720 not made violent by violent video games me neither probably but yeah me neither 719 00:52:49,359 --> 00:52:54,720 probably I don't know you don't strike me as particular violent I'm not violent 720 00:52:52,680 --> 00:53:00,079 not like your old roommate anyway oh oh yeah I had a I had a guy's roommate who 721 00:52:57,599 --> 00:53:05,280 ended up killing a few people it's that's a story for another time I'm 722 00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:11,359 surprised he didn't kill you I got I pieced out of there real quick yeah he 723 00:53:07,839 --> 00:53:14,599 would have you think so yes he was 724 00:53:11,359 --> 00:53:16,160 incredibly unstable very violent person 725 00:53:14,599 --> 00:53:20,559 and uh play a lot of video games he played a lot of sports interesting 726 00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:25,799 hashtag blam sports do Sports make kids violent well you know 727 00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:28,960 maybe cuz like like Luke was talking to me about what was it lacrosse where he 728 00:53:27,319 --> 00:53:33,000 was playing where every time he'd go out he would he would just like hit this one 729 00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:36,520 guy that he didn't like you remember that no he never told me that part of 730 00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:40,920 Lacrosse I wouldn't have played lacrosse with him if I know that's what I was saying but this guy was a bit bigger 731 00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:49,319 than Luke and he always thought he could take him and then Luke always laid the beat down so yeah Sports you know also a 732 00:53:47,240 --> 00:53:53,040 concern yeah so we should ban Sports we should ban 733 00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:57,200 Sports uh speaking of speaking of banning we should ban large ssds because 734 00:53:55,920 --> 00:54:03,160 this looks freaking awesome so the original article 735 00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:08,960 here is from news. samsung.com Samsung has begun 736 00:54:05,319 --> 00:54:13,720 mass-producing the industry's first 512 737 00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:15,799 gig nvma SSD in a single BGA package 738 00:54:13,720 --> 00:54:21,000 this is to give more flexibility in Computing device design for those of us 739 00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:24,119 who don't know what a BGA package is 740 00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:26,680 basically you know uh what the single 741 00:54:24,119 --> 00:54:29,680 chip on a stick of RAM looks like just the one little black CH the black thingy 742 00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:34,599 that's kind of square yeah you know how there's a bunch of them yeah it's all 743 00:54:32,119 --> 00:54:40,040 one one of those is a BGA package the picture okay yeah so this right here 744 00:54:36,799 --> 00:54:44,400 that you guys are looking at that is a 745 00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:47,440 512 gig SSD that's half a terabyte 746 00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:49,920 unfreaking real so we're at the point 747 00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:56,000 now where especially guys like Samsung the only reason we don't have you know 748 00:54:52,559 --> 00:54:57,799 20 terab or 50 terab ssds is that the 749 00:54:56,000 --> 00:55:02,040 cost of the controller and the cost of all those chips would simply be too high 750 00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:06,160 for any customer to afford it those are like smaller than a dime right yeah I'd 751 00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:11,920 say they're about the size of a dime yeah so what that means is in a new 752 00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:15,520 tablet or like a twoin one you could 753 00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:17,319 have a full-fledged NVMe SSD albeit not 754 00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:24,480 with the same power as something like a 950 Pro but a full-fledged NVM 755 00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:26,039 SSD in an unheard of form factor like we 756 00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:33,440 don't even have to have saying now the price a card on it uh I do not know 757 00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:36,200 pricing at this time all we have right 758 00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:39,839 now is specs so they're saying it's designed for use in Next Generation PCS 759 00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:44,359 and ultra slim notebooks um extremely compact package 760 00:55:42,319 --> 00:55:49,680 that contains all essential SSD components including the Nan flash 761 00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:56,760 memory the dam and the controller uh it triples the performance 762 00:55:52,079 --> 00:55:58,200 of a typical SATA SSD says uh Jung B 763 00:55:56,760 --> 00:56:05,119 the senior vice president of memory product planning and application engineering team which is freaking 764 00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:12,520 unbelievable it's got 15 of Samsung's 48 layer 256 GB vand flash chips uh 12 nanm 765 00:56:09,799 --> 00:56:15,920 4 gig lpddr4 mobile D RAM chip and a high performance Samsung controller it 766 00:56:13,839 --> 00:56:21,680 weighs only about 1 gram sequential read and write speeds of 767 00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:23,440 1.5 gigabytes per second and 900 768 00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:28,319 megabytes per second when turbo Rite technology is used 769 00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:32,720 pretty freaking unbelievable let's go ahead and start 770 00:56:30,119 --> 00:56:38,520 doing some rapid fire topics Taran would you use a water cooled laptop no no 771 00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:42,640 based on what I've seen with lonus who's supposed to know what he's doing and 772 00:56:40,079 --> 00:56:47,359 likes water cooling and still stuff gets corroded and horrible no well that 773 00:56:45,240 --> 00:56:51,640 wasn't me at my best in all fairness to water cooling now now hang on though 774 00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:55,280 because I've seen the insides of some of these laptops and they have like the 775 00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:59,400 little the little tube thingies what are those called he heat pipes heat pipes 776 00:56:57,319 --> 00:57:03,119 yes are do those have a liquid in them okay so now you're opening up a can of 777 00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:07,760 worm kind of water cooled already and it's contained the point is it needs to 778 00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:16,079 be contained you're opening up a can of worms because some phone manufacturers 779 00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:18,160 uh including Sony and uh uh what's their 780 00:57:16,079 --> 00:57:22,319 face someone else is doing it some phone manufacturers are coming out and saying 781 00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:28,280 they have water cooled phones because their phone contains a heat pipe oh 782 00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:33,839 right but that is not strictly speaking 783 00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:36,599 true a heat pipe contains a fluid yes 784 00:57:33,839 --> 00:57:40,880 and when it's cold in one part of the heat pipe it will be liquid so they 785 00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:47,720 actually I believe they lower the pressure inside them so that theorization point of of the liquid 786 00:57:44,799 --> 00:57:52,599 actually gets lower anyway so the idea is that at the at a cold point in the 787 00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:57,680 heat pipe uh that would be where your heat sink is it will turn to liquid and 788 00:57:55,039 --> 00:58:04,079 Wick back to the heat Source where it will evaporate and flow so in a sense 789 00:58:01,119 --> 00:58:09,599 yes liquid is moving inside the heat pipe but it is it will not achieve 790 00:58:06,839 --> 00:58:15,000 nearly the efficiency of a full-on liquid Loop because it's a loop because 791 00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:20,880 is that the difference a loop with a pump um well it's it's to do with it's 792 00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:28,400 to do with conduction so having more volume of water making contact with more 793 00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:31,039 surface area of copper Heat s is better 794 00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:38,520 having the water move at high speed is better um having again having more water 795 00:58:34,319 --> 00:58:41,160 is better for um absorbing little spikes 796 00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:45,480 in thermal output because the water itself will take quite a bit of time to 797 00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:48,319 heat up even if you don't have anything actively cooling it so it would make 798 00:58:47,119 --> 00:58:53,480 something like a phone if you could actually water cool it and there was a significant volume of water inside it 799 00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:57,039 would mean that when you start playing a game it would take much longer to start 800 00:58:55,400 --> 00:59:01,480 thermal throttling for example because you'd have to heat up all that water and 801 00:58:59,079 --> 00:59:04,799 water can absorb a lot of thermal energy before the temperature of it actually 802 00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:10,520 Rises is there not a better liquid than water that can absorb even more heat um 803 00:59:07,359 --> 00:59:11,839 I think most heat pipes do use water um 804 00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:16,960 some extra stuff in there some of them may use alcohols of some sort I'm not a 805 00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:21,160 heat pipe expert unfortunately though all right so let's talk about this water 806 00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:25,400 cooled laptop this is the gx800 the successor to the 807 00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:30,760 gx700 it can run on its own just like its predecessor but it can also clip 808 00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:33,400 into this quick relase enabled base that 809 00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:38,799 includes water cooling um this is great so this is over on tech radar positive 810 00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:44,079 things very powerful color customizable mechanical keyboard Thermo Hydro 811 00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:52,839 clocking unlocks overclocking for everything bad extreme power needs oh 812 00:59:50,119 --> 00:59:57,720 really yeah so describing the last one they released as absolutely mental I 813 00:59:55,319 --> 01:00:02,880 think is probably an understatement mental in a good or a bad way um I think 814 01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:09,079 they just mean mental in a mentally in insane way well but like is it good or 815 01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:11,480 bad uh I'm a simple man I simple answers 816 01:00:09,079 --> 01:00:18,280 I it's heavy and expensive and 817 01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:20,680 Powerful it has a GTX 818 01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:28,680 980 um yeah apparently this one has two 819 01:00:24,319 --> 01:00:32,359 980s which is what insane really hold on 820 01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:34,319 a second here two 980s stuffed in there 821 01:00:32,359 --> 01:00:39,640 what you sure yeah apparently it has two 980s in 822 01:00:37,559 --> 01:00:45,920 it do we have one the laptop actually comes with two 330 watt power supplies 823 01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:50,839 meaning that this laptop actually I had not gone far 824 01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:57,920 enough to realize it has had 298 this laptop will consume as much 825 01:00:53,599 --> 01:00:57,920 power as a desktop 826 01:00:58,599 --> 01:01:07,200 um and be about as portable really as a desktop with a screen on the side panel 827 01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:08,920 yeah so make of that what you will uh 828 01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:13,960 it's not the only ridiculous thing that ASUS released at the show the zenbo 829 01:01:11,559 --> 01:01:18,000 proves that uh this is this is a great this is a great headline from end Gadget 830 01:01:15,839 --> 01:01:22,200 proves that our robot Butler dreams remain just 831 01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:28,000 that the promotional video for this thing is freaking creepy oh wow that 832 01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:34,400 face they could they could have chosen any other face let me go ahead and move 833 01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:36,880 the uh move this down there you go so we 834 01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:42,119 can put this full screen appreciate the this thing is freaking here's the here's 835 01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:46,960 the YouTube video you guys you guys don't even really need audio but it's 836 01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:49,520 like it's just so weird like it 837 01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:53,520 introduces all these characters or something and then it 838 01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:59,319 shows how zenbo helps them yeah but what it 839 01:01:56,839 --> 01:02:02,720 doesn't have arms and then well he tells Grandpa to take his medication or like 840 01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:08,279 your phone could do that he takes pictures with a terrible camera but your 841 01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:11,160 phone could do that um 842 01:02:08,279 --> 01:02:18,720 yes but um they're all going to be waste high level then like Grandpa falls down 843 01:02:15,079 --> 01:02:22,039 in this like weird slowmo sequence and 844 01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:25,160 then zenbo gives mom a live view of how 845 01:02:22,039 --> 01:02:26,920 Grandpa fell down and makes sure that 846 01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:31,440 Grandpa's okay and stuff it's it's look at him like 847 01:02:29,119 --> 01:02:35,680 smiling while Grandpa Falls can he recognize that a person has fallen down 848 01:02:33,599 --> 01:02:40,880 I mean computer vision is a difficult thing to do yeah I'm uh what if a dog 849 01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:44,799 falls to the floor and just kind of walks away I mean will it be able to 850 01:02:43,079 --> 01:02:49,720 tell the difference yeah I'm really not sold on this and it's like an 11 minute 851 01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:54,440 long video does it have any useful information uh if you were looking to 852 01:02:52,559 --> 01:02:59,000 buy a zenbo and you were wondering about the things that it theoretically does 853 01:02:56,920 --> 01:03:04,799 then yes it contains a lot of useful information otherwise I would say it's 854 01:03:01,079 --> 01:03:06,680 11 agonizing minutes of I sure wish that 855 01:03:04,799 --> 01:03:11,119 that the zenbo was a product that anyone could care about and that uh and that 856 01:03:09,599 --> 01:03:15,359 isus hadn't spend their time doing something else um so here's the 857 01:03:13,599 --> 01:03:20,079 functionality it apparently has it can detect faces it can apparently help with 858 01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:23,119 cooking because it can put recipes up on its screen although I can't think of a 859 01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:27,640 reason that I would want a robot on the floor with my recipe on its face pick it 860 01:03:25,359 --> 01:03:31,880 up and put on the counter yeah which is like I could have a laptop to do that it 861 01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:35,440 has built-in speakers for music okay it can connect to Smart devices like air 862 01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:40,000 conditioners lighting TVs and connected door locks oh oh I would not want to 863 01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:43,799 connect it can move around independently door lock assuming that your house 864 01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:47,480 doesn't have any stairs and it will learn fallen and I 865 01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:52,480 can't get up and it will apparently learn and adapt to how you use it of 866 01:03:49,559 --> 01:03:57,160 course it will um well one solution so does the mechanoid g15 and that thing 867 01:03:54,119 --> 01:04:02,240 was awful one solution to getting your 868 01:03:57,160 --> 01:04:02,240 stupid Butler upstairs would be a dumb 869 01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:10,240 waiter can we move on now yeah we can move 870 01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:11,760 on uh what else we got here like 871 01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:20,480 robotics you know you would there's some impressive 872 01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:22,240 uh hurdles that have been made but um 873 01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:27,359 this thing is is way too early like there's no way that it's going to have the functionality that you would want 874 01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:32,039 from a robot B assistant not even close not even close like it doesn't have an 875 01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:36,680 ARM give it one ARM that's all you need 876 01:04:32,039 --> 01:04:40,319 hey one ARM well I mean that's where you 877 01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:43,079 start you're so amature I always you 878 01:04:40,319 --> 01:04:48,799 know forget I don't know why Indian customers hit hard on NVIDIA for insane 879 01:04:46,119 --> 01:04:53,079 pricing of their 1080 graphics card so the founders Edition is supposed to be 880 01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:57,079 somewhere in the neighborhood of $699 us with 5.99 being more like what you'd 881 01:04:55,240 --> 01:05:03,079 expect for regular models uh non-reference cards so on May 27th it was officially 882 01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:08,079 released and officially available on amazon. one of the top three online 883 01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:14,520 shopping websites in India Zotac Gigabyte and ASUS apparently have their 884 01:05:10,119 --> 01:05:16,480 prices listed 57 to 87% higher than the 885 01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:23,160 price announced at NVIDIA's launch event so prices should be at around 47,000 886 01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:26,279 rupees but cards are listed around 887 01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:28,240 71,500 rupees or about 1, 888 01:05:26,279 --> 01:05:32,039 70 us I would love to give the benefit of 889 01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:36,279 the doubt and say Indian retailers probably screwed up the model number and 890 01:05:34,119 --> 01:05:41,160 the pricing columns mhm very funny but that's probably not 891 01:05:38,799 --> 01:05:48,880 what happened I mean the reality of it is whether it's due to tariffs or taxes 892 01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:51,039 or any other wide variety of reasons 893 01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:58,839 sometimes us pricing does not translate to other countries with that said this 894 01:05:55,319 --> 01:06:02,599 does look a little bit like pure gouging 895 01:05:58,839 --> 01:06:05,599 to me um you got to you know you got to 896 01:06:02,599 --> 01:06:07,119 gouge someone so you know what I would 897 01:06:05,599 --> 01:06:14,119 let's do another straw poll here I want to hear from you guys do us prices 898 01:06:11,319 --> 01:06:19,240 translate to where you live because honestly here in Canada they pretty much 899 01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:24,039 do in some cases no these are pricier here some things are but computer 900 01:06:21,119 --> 01:06:27,680 components are generally once you factor in exchange rate and factor in that 901 01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:32,599 shipping does just cost a little more up here they are pretty darn close you 902 01:06:30,839 --> 01:06:37,880 might not see the same uh like Black Friday deals for example but general 903 01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:40,520 pricing day today is actually very very 904 01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:44,599 close so I want to hear from you guys uh whether that's what you have observed 905 01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:50,920 where you're from this is really cool uh have you 906 01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:52,319 checked out the elevated bus no okay 907 01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:55,760 scroll down to that topic and have a look and I'll uh we'll make that our 908 01:06:54,119 --> 01:06:58,599 next one but I want to show the drop hole results here 909 01:06:58,799 --> 01:07:04,960 first so yeah we've got a whopping 54% 910 01:07:02,119 --> 01:07:09,039 of you oh I screwed up the title but hopefully you guys were hopefully you 911 01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:14,279 guys were listening while I was telling you about the title of it do us prices 912 01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:21,119 to where you live we've got 53% of you saying no 25% of you throwing away your 913 01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:24,480 vote and uh only 22% of you saying yes 914 01:07:21,119 --> 01:07:26,520 which given that I think over 22% of our 915 01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:30,960 viewership is in the US would mean that some of our us viewers 916 01:07:29,599 --> 01:07:35,160 either they all figured out that they shouldn't vote because they are from the 917 01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:38,760 US M or they um got a little 918 01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:44,920 confused so I wasn't paying attention I'm looking at this elevated bus yeah 919 01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:51,559 this thing looks freaking it looks really cool awesome comma but I have 920 01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:54,640 some concerns yeah I've got a handful of concerns too so this is pretty cool 921 01:07:53,200 --> 01:08:01,680 there's a YouTube video of it here I'm just going to go ahead pull this up so this there you go it's 922 01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:08,200 not up is the oh whoops I'm sorry let's go ahead and share Linus's screen so 923 01:08:04,119 --> 01:08:10,480 this is sort of a a a concept for an 924 01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:15,799 elevated bus so the passengers sit up here mhm and the idea is that this would 925 01:08:13,160 --> 01:08:21,199 solve congestion Problems by actually having it drive above the road above 926 01:08:19,279 --> 01:08:26,759 cars on the road let me tell you though if I was in a car and that thing passed 927 01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:28,839 me I would be terrified 928 01:08:26,759 --> 01:08:33,719 I would be like whoa suddenly I'm in a tunnel I you know I I was going to turn 929 01:08:32,359 --> 01:08:39,239 like people are going to freak out when that thing goes over them yep I mean 930 01:08:35,480 --> 01:08:41,199 people in bike Lanes might get yeah hit 931 01:08:39,239 --> 01:08:45,159 um anyone in sort of a taller than normal vehicle might have a bit of a 932 01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:49,359 problem well you would have to oh dear you'd have to impose height limits on 933 01:08:46,799 --> 01:08:52,520 cars on certain roads yep yeah you'd have to like have the bars so you can't 934 01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:57,480 even enter there are definitely some issues with the idea but like it's a 935 01:08:54,480 --> 01:08:58,719 cool idea in Theory maybe but if it was 936 01:08:57,480 --> 01:09:02,120 deployed strategically I could see this being 937 01:09:00,719 --> 01:09:06,679 pretty cool it will be apparently be able to carry 1,200 passengers will be 938 01:09:05,159 --> 01:09:10,159 able to go over top of cars and let traffic pass underneath it it runs on 939 01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:16,159 fixed rails along the road and they had a scale model shown at the Expo so here 940 01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:20,880 in Vancouver is area we have something called The Sky Train which is basically 941 01:09:18,239 --> 01:09:25,679 just a Subway but it's elevated it's in the air and it just goes over the roads 942 01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:29,960 it does not interact with them either over or under so you never have to deal 943 01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:33,560 with it it never has to wait at a light but the cost of that never have to you 944 01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:38,920 know yeah is much higher yeah so they're estimating that this will cost 945 01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:44,440 one what a Subway would cost mhm has anyone ever done this not that 946 01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:49,199 I'm aware of so it's just a little model cuz I've seen this kind of thing before 947 01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:51,520 it's just a little model for now 948 01:09:49,199 --> 01:09:54,560 mhm it' be super I would love to ride one of those it'd be awesome that would 949 01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:57,960 be cool yeah like sitting in the front of that thing just like whipping over 950 01:09:56,159 --> 01:10:02,840 the cars underneath you it' be like it would be like if Bridges could drive 951 01:10:00,440 --> 01:10:06,520 yeah I I don't imagine that it whips very much probably the cars under it are 952 01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:12,760 going to be going faster than this thing it probably Lumbers along well the idea 953 01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:14,480 is to uh get around traffic yeah but 954 01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:17,840 like be like congest what about when it comes up to a light like it's going to 955 01:10:16,280 --> 01:10:21,600 have to wait at the light right because like what if you 956 01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:26,040 have two of these things have toit what if you've got you've got the other cars like they can't pass through it unless 957 01:10:24,199 --> 01:10:30,040 you do like columns the cars would be faster off the line but maybe the bus 958 01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:34,000 would go faster when they hit a an an obstruction of some sort I don't know I 959 01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:39,440 don't know man I like it I think it's cool it's cool but is it 960 01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:44,159 practical all right speaking of practical I think that's pretty much it 961 01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:47,920 for the Practical life of the show today is it let's give Taran a big round of 962 01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:52,760 applause for being my co-host today yay Taran yay tan oh wow twitch chat hates 963 01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:58,159 you do they oh no no they're fine oh you're looking at 964 01:10:55,600 --> 01:11:02,520 it never mind I did not get away with that one there and uh just so for those 965 01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:06,600 of you who have been wondering oh yeah we never explained all stream uh the 966 01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:13,400 reason for this is I was actually shooting my review of the cat headphones 967 01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:17,040 from Brookstone so I wanted uh I wanted 968 01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:19,480 a look that I felt like would 969 01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:24,719 appropriately go along with them so I got all got all done up prior to hosting 970 01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:29,679 the review and then I was jealous so I put this on 971 01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:32,440 yeah pretty much there's not much to it 972 01:11:29,679 --> 01:11:41,040 yeah I look good in this um all right thanks guys see you next 973 01:11:36,679 --> 01:11:43,159 time same bat Time same bat Channel yeah 974 01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:48,480 oh hopefully the intro Works got people asking if you can take 975 01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:51,080 the ears off um no I don't think so 976 01:11:48,480 --> 01:11:57,960 unless you cut them off this wig is hot I know wigs make 977 01:11:55,639 --> 01:12:02,719 your head surprisingly hot it's all sweaty like it is not a pretty 978 01:12:03,239 --> 01:12:10,489 thing well I don't know if oh there it goes 979 01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:34,920 yes