all right what's up what's up my friends
welcome to the W show we've got a great
show for you guys today lots of different topics I've got a uh brand new
co-host here I just came in off the street you know you look like you came
in off the street you don't have like you know a look like I do no I am
jealous actually I was hoping like do we have a wig or anything I I came in like
off the club that's that's where I came in off of I'm going to go see if there's
anything I can wear that's all right in the meantime I'm going to tell you guys what we've got for topics today uh Intel
has unveiled Broadwell e their new flagship desktop processors that is to
say HT or high-end desktop
processors that pricing AMD on the
subject of maybe lower pricing has showed off their Polaris gpus and
actually did a reveal of a Zen CPU more
on that later on we've got some information this all rumors at this
point about the OnePlus 3 launch and
Samsung has a 512 gig SSD that's like this big looks
like it is going to enable some seriously wow you look even worse than
me uh some seriously small devices with
a seriously large amount of storage so
uh without further ado do let's hope the intro Works cuz I actually did not test
it today yeah you did no I didn't listen
to it also it seems to be taking a while
to to load there let's see if it finds
that file and uh goes ahead and plays it
at some point that would be super duper swell come on you got this buddy you got
this buddy buddy I need like a hair thing uh
would have that I'm going to use a
bu terrifies us all oh man this hair is
awful you can you can feel that it's cheap uh yeah I had to wear that for an
entire W show no one's forcing you that's the key difference here you know
what I I I want to be in the lonus club
in the Linus Club you are in the lonus club it's called lonus Media Group yo
all right so uh without further Ado why
don't we just go ahead and get this party started let's kick it off with the
big Intel news so we can pick well we
can pick any any Source we want for this
particular a little bit of news let's go ahead and drop the LT Forum uh Link in
here so Intel has unveiled Broadwell e
with complete benchmarks pricing and there's 6950x overclocking results that
are out there so first let's talk
pricing it is not going to be any surprise that the HT or high-end desktop
enthusi desktop parts are going to be priced a little higher than their
mainstream counterparts so you're used to seeing you know a 6600 K I5 or a
6700k somewhere in that
250 to $350 range HT starts at
$434 if you're buying lots of a thousand of them so the Assumption there would be
that you would see these somewhere in the neighborhood of
349 if they're on a really aggressive sale all the way up to probably like 369
or something along those lines it's funny because you can see Intel's
margins and this is my this is my former retailer coming through it's not really
my concern anymore but you can see Intel's margins on their balance sheets
which are a lot healthier than freaking you know 6% or anything like that and as
a retailer you have to get by what somewhere in the neighborhood of four to
5 a half% on Intel processors from my experience with that said there is
marketing funding available but it just feels like the the wealth could could be
shared a little bit in that regard though that's not necessarily the case
uh fun fact giving a typical computer
retailer more margin will basically just result in
more policing the retailers to make sure that they aren't undercutting each other
by a dollar every other day taking all
the margin out of the product in fact uh one of the reasons that I suspect that
many manufacturers such as NVIDIA Intel I don't believe it's legal in Canada but
in the United States you can enforce what's called a map or a minimum
advertised price and that's the reason that they do this and even though they
do many just go around it Anyway by offering in store deals or whatever the
case may be the advertised price or is it a minimum actual price minimum
advertised price so if you've ever seen that feature on a site and it's less
typical on Canadian sites because again like I said I believe map is still
illegal in Canada um
if you see price too low to show add to
cart to see price that means that the price is below map Ed can I help
you oh okay's yeah yeah I think you can scan on
it I don't know to where so there's
that why are you talking to Ed I don't know maybe Ed wants to participate in
the show too he doesn't have fun hair well do you have a yeah he doesn't have fun hair like us actually his hair is
getting pretty fun with his little thing he's got going there samurai there's
like a oh man there's a hair clip that sits right under this headband that's uh
that's actually quite painful but you know fashion is not about Comfort no
fashion is about often the other way around looking uh looking amazing real
hair that can go down this way yeah that's not a thing to brag about show
off your do you have your ponytail thing no I have it it's now that way you have
your ponytail combed forward just under
my hat if I'm not wearing a hat I do it
up great I look good with this oh man
it's not a ponytail it's a man bun a man bun should go full Rainbow Dash all the
time all right so let's talk let's talk pricing for the rest of these processor
so to start with uh here I'm just going
to go ahead and pull up so these images are off of a ontech I love those guys
and I'm o I'm going to have to move us over to the right for this I think there
we go so there is the 6800k so the 6800k is a six core there
are not any here let me see yep there we go is a 6 core there are no quad cores
in the lineup just like last time around
um it is hyperthreaded all i7s are hyper threaded so that shouldn't be any kind
of a surprise anything on the HDT platform is a core i7 uh well unless you
were to like pop a zon in there it's not the kind of thing that Intel supports
officially but between you and me in the wall it can can be done uh it's clocked
at 3.4 GHz so once again the six core
processor is actually clocked higher even at the the lower end than the 8
core processor so this was the case last time around with the
5960x and it turbos up to a multiplier
of 35 or you can see up to
3.6 gigahertz so let's step it up a little
bit let's go have a look at the 6850
there are actually Four SKS this time which is which is pretty interesting so
this one is clocked a little higher and
otherwise um basically pretty much the
same thing it's even rated at the same TDP although Ian over at a ntech
actually tested them and I mean it's
something that I've personally been aware of for quite some time but may not
be something that you guys know he tested them and discovered that even
though they're all rated at the same TDP or thermal design power uh the power
consumption from one ship to another is actually quite different and the reason
for that will be fairly evident once we go have a look at the third skew so this
is the
6900k this one comes in oh right so the
other difference between those last two was 28 PCI Express Lanes on the lower
end one and 40 on the higher end one they are pulling that again so the
6900k is actually more of a direct replacement for the 5960x
and the reason that I say that is here we go from six cores to eight cores with
hyperthreading and actually the same clock speed so this is what would have
typically been an extreme Edition in every way including pricing this Chip is
going to cost you a whopping
th000 at retail actually a little bit more now they've actually increased the
pricing there so it is 1089 for a
6900k in lots of a th000 leading to a
chip that has never existed before lower
maximum clock speed for the flagship one like I was saying this is similar to
last generation where the eight core is clocked lower than the six
cores but this one has a whopping 10
cores and it's overclockable on a desktop platform based on early results
you would expect somewhere in the neighborhood of
4.1 and change gigahertz when
overclocking it making it at
$1,700 a very difficult purchase to
justify so let's start talking workloads okay what do people do with computers
well like I was just going to say like slow down here this all just sounds like a bunch of techno Babble to me why
should I as a normal person care about
all of this do you hear what he just called himself lean into the microphone
a little bit as a normal person yeah well not quite like that but like sit up
yeah you know just I armrest is still on
this chair see that's what happens when you
have armrests it's a
disaster okay so okay so what are you
asking uh I was I was saying like why why should the average person care about
the new 10 core Intel CPU um well this is where I wanted to
get into different workloads okay so tell me what what do people do on their
computers just start start firing stuff at me uh gaming I do a lot of video okay
well hold on hold on let's do one at a time rapid fire so for gaming um I
didn't say rapidly fire I said fire at me so for for
gaming the the 6950x so the extreme Edition
$1,700 plus 1,800 probably retail $1,800
processor performs identically across the board
to The Other Extreme Edition processor so the six the two six cores and the8
core identically um because gaming is is
mostly going to come down to what clock speed you can run your fastest two to
four cores at in the case of going up against
something like a 6700k so that's a Skylake quad core on
the mainstream platform it will actually lose in quite a few cases because it is
clocked significantly lower skyl can turbo up to 4 GHz so uh that that's
about a 10% difference in clock speed not to mention that it's running a more
upto-date microarchitecture so on the desktop platform they actually are running one
full generation newer of Chip design
enabling newer features as well as higher performance and lower power
consumption you say on the desktop platform you mean like desktops not
laptop the mainstream desktop platform cuz these are both desktop platforms
that we're talking talking about great so not high-end desktop regular desktop
okay so for gaming basically it makes no
sense at all hit me with another use case to have the 10 core yeah to have
the $1,700 extreme Edition 10 core okay video editing video editing okay so once
again um I pretty much can't think of a scenario where it makes any sense really
because in most cases you are either
once again limited by Peak clock speed MH or
you are using some kind of workload like
let's say sorns and squeeze where you can take advantage of more cores and if
that's the case then let's go ahead and have a look at what's available in the
Zeon E5 V4 lineup because those chips
are actually socket for socket compatible with pretty much any board
that would hold one of these extreme editions I'm going to go ahead and pull up Intel's Arc
website let's find something comparably priced here here's a
$1,745 processor that consumes less power and has 14 cores clocked at 2.4
GHz let's have a look at its max turbo speed of 3.3
GHz is that impressive so yeah that's
that's pretty that's pretty freaking good not to mention that it comes with
ECC memory support so oh yeah of course with that said it doesn't support
overclocking so let's have a look at what else they have in sort of a a
comparable price range here's a lower clocked 16
core probably wouldn't be looking at that unless I was in like a heavily
virtualized environment where I'm running a lot of host operating systems
um what about like uh rendering for 3D
animation um in that case it's going to basically that's one of the few
workloads where you can basically take the number of cores times the frequency
that they run at factoring in the architecture that they use and kind of
just add them up and get an actual result it scales 3D rendering scales
relatively linearly but that's on the CPU not the GPU right are are we
rendering with the CPU if we're talking about CPU rendering then but would you
want to do that um well really depends on your on what application you're using
it's one of those things where it comes down to to what that person's actually
using so so Intel's competing against
zons in these heavily multi-threaded workloads and then the other issue that
I have is particular with our new workflow in Adobe Premiere we could
easily be using quad cores we did a video recently with an Ultra Book a dual
core Ultrabook editing video over the
network using our cfor codec that we convert all of our footage to and the
performance was fine so the only thing you would actually be able to use the
extra horses for would be the final export which from my experience only
benefits from a about so we've got 14
core process processors in those machines right now and they hit about 60% usage so from about eight
cores of 10 out of out of 10 yeah so so
you could easily buy the eight core instead oh and that would wouldn't
utilize just six then it actually utilizes up to eight yeah it utilizes up
to eight from my experience with the way that we rendered h.264 yeah so but most
people don't go to copor First unless they have watched our stuff and realize
that it's awesome so you're paying an extra
$700 dear for two more cores on an8 core
there's another problem is that dual socket motherboards are not that
expensive compared to regular motherboards especially if you're already spending $1,700 on a processor
let's assume that you're buying a decent motherboard to go with it so let's have
a look at here's a 90 watt chip with 10 cores clocked at 2.4 to uh let's see 3.4
GHz max turbo you could throw two of
those in that's a $939 processor so just spending a little bit more you could
chuck two of these bad boys in for a total of 20
cores if you had a heavily multi-threaded workload and it would be
able to use all of that well depends if you have a heavily multi-threaded
workload then yes so no Dwarf Fortress
so no Dwarf Fortress would it only utilizes One Core okay all right so I
think so hit me with another workload oh
dear uh uh uh Ste at home folding at
home one those things so once again my 20
core dual Zeon setup is going to absolutely mop the floor with it yeah
yep that can be utilized with multiple yes stuff yeah and if it couldn't then a
10 core definitely wouldn't make a difference so distributed computing
would benefit from our overclocked 10 core processor but not enough to justify
the price hit me again I'm I'm out I don't have anymore you you hit you I'm
out too I can't figure out what this
product is for especially at that
price I think at $1,000 if they were
giving us the eight core at the kind of 650 700 price point and if they were
giving us maybe even you know I'd be okay with a six core but maybe with all
the PCI Express Lanes or an eight core
with the 28 PCI Express Lanes like if we were really getting a significant
Improvement this time around then I
would be pretty happy like like hang on like why do they make a 10 core CPU if
it's not really useful for many things you just get more CPUs cheaper what's
the point it is useful for things but it's like not at that price at $1,000
well yeah that's the point if it's not useful at that price then it's not useful so basically what it looks like
happened is somewhat in Intel went well CRA we can no not not that I mean no I
don't think Intel does anything just because they can anymore I think someone
at Intel went if we deliver an8 core
overclockable processor so we're talking you know 4 GHz time 10 so 40 GHz of
power yes I know it doesn't scale like that we are going to be seriously
cannibalizing zeeon unless we hamstring
it in some way or Jack the price and it
already is hamstrung in a way so it is
not capable of having two of them installed on a single motherboard MH
that's something that's been true of the HDT processors since ah since skull
Trail I guess yeah since skull Trail I don't know what skull Trail is um it was
a very very expensive basically it was two zons but they branded them as
extreme editions and then a specific motherboard that you could put them on
wonderful two motherboards I think EVGA had one as well so other than skull
Trail um we've never seen an extreme Edition
processor an overclockable processor that can be installed with two uh can be
installed in a dual socket board or at least have two of them installed in a
dual socket board I've heard that that they'll work in a dual socket board if you only install one of them are there
triple socket boards there are quad socket boards and eight socket boards oh
wow yes does it go only up to eight uh I am not aware of a 16 socket board and
the size of it would be a thing to be reckoned with um so make a fun video
basically I think that's what happened they were worried that taking away ECC
memory compatibility wouldn't be enough to prevent high-end workstation and
entrylevel server customers from using the things at
$1,000 and they couldn't figure out a way other than just throwing more cores
on it to differentiate it from the last generation extreme Edition in a
significant enough way that customers
would kind of drool over it all over again all right all right but blah blah
blah who is it for it is for people with
more money than since okay which has been true of many extreme editions in
the past normal consumers not like like big companies oh like who are they
trying to sell it to yeah regular consumers like Gamers okay Gamers who
want a little bit less performance watch lus Tech tips and then they'll know that
it's pointless um no that's that's not the case at all in fact um I forget
where I was reading this but I looked at a really interesting graph of the
estimated uh sell through of Intel's HDT
lineup over the last several Generations it might have been on wccf Tech and the
um and the price so times the price and the most successful ful processors
they've had in terms of Revenue have been the more hardcore ones
um yeah the higher priced ones that increase the core count over the
previous generation so it looks like Intel is trying to make that exact
lightning strike here but I personally really doubt it
and I sincerely hope not unless this is
an omen huh yes an omen because the last
time a processor manufacturer took kind
of the existing pricing structure and
and and blew it like way Sky High for no
apparent reason other than to create the illusion of bragging rights amongst
their most affluent customers the last time that happened it
was AMD pulling this crap with the original FX it was actually Intel
responding to am D when they created
extreme Edition so AMD was the one who started this like thousand FX you can
only get one if you spend $1,000 on it
lineup so what I'm hoping is that now
that that's happening again because what happened right after AMD did FX was
Intel took the balance of power back they crushed the FX with like a $400
chip what I'm hoping is that AMD Zen
will be affordable and make this thing look really embarrassing for
Intel Billy Hatcher 312 says shut up
with pre-recorded crap so uh there you
go Billy pre-recorded I'm proving that it's not pre-recorded by responding to
his comments oh lovely yeah all right so there you have it
that's my take on the 60 that was fasc 6950x did you almost fall asleep these
chairs are comfortable these chairs are comfortable but lean all the way back as
well yes you can do that please do not mess with these chairs someone messed
with this one and it was like tilted funny yeah but handle's right here on
the left well just it's right there just just don't cuz lonus will get upset yeah
well it's like two seconds to fix all right so yeah but I couldn't figure out
how to do it that was the problem I told you before and you would ignored me well
I forgot mm all right let's go ahead and drop our next Topic in the chat here AMD
Polaris and Zen reveals so let's talk
Polaris first this is where I was at in maau down a little bit Yeah find you can
just talk with twitch chat if you want you don't have to you know I might pay
attention if you're bored I am bored um so let's talk about Polaris first so I
was at the event in maau um here's what
we know so far the goal is to bring real
VR like like Rift Vive grade VR to the
first 100 million customers
um that's the $200 thingy I actually
don't know how much of this is rumor and how much of this
is uh not rumor right now so there's a
ZDNet article that we've pulled the information from I don't know how much
of it is is is embargoed and how much of it isn't because uh I know at least some
of it is so according to the ZDNet article it's built on the 14 nanometer
fin fet process from Global foundaries it will have greater than five teraflops
of power oh this is apparently all from the announcement stream thanks Nick um
256 GB per second of memory bandwidth four or 8 gigs of gddr5
150 wat power dry draw starting at 199
us although I would personally speculate that the 8 gig version will not be
available for 1999 at least to start they are claiming up to a 2.8x
performance per watt um improvement over
the previous generation And to clarify
even though they were talking a lot about VR VR VR VR with the rx480
that is not the entire point of the card
and I actually had quite a few people hold on a second I'm just
creating a straw pole
here for non VR let's go with yes
no here we go sorry I've got my straw pull created here so I had quite a few
people kind of go well ginus on this on
the video that I uploaded where I was did an interview with Roger caduri say
like I'm not interested in VR so what is this just a VR card and the answer is no
of course not what they're talking about when they say it's really great for VR
is they're saying that it is powerful enough for VR at an affordable price not
that it only works for VR so I would expect this card in fact one of the
demos they did the only demo I've seen of its performance so far one of the
demos they did showed it up against two RX 480s up against a single GTX 1080
ashes of the singularity holding up pretty darn well
in a non VR 3D workload now does it have
that minimum High frame rate that you were talking about so that is one of the
things that they would be tackling in a sort of VR optimized design helping it
not dip below that minimum VR frame rate
of 90 frames per second you can't have that it's crazy now with that said
controlling dips is also enormously beneficial for flat 3D gaming so it's
not a problem that they've optimized the
architecture to avoid dips in frame rate that wouldn't hurt anybody everyone
should be happy about that just the reason it's more important for VR is
that it doesn't make you feel sick when you're looking at a panel in front of
you whereas when you're in a virtual reality headset it most assuredly does
yes so this is interesting we have a
whopping 53% of you and if we factor out the
turnup vote it becomes even more like
70% of you are interested in the
rx480 okay we haven't we haven't actually done one of these in a while
but we are going to have to do a Twitter Blitz here I want to hear from you guys
tweet me at linch on Twitter yeah are
you yeah planning to buy an rx480 sight
unseen you haven't even seen the performance yet do we not have the specs
do we not know we have specs but that doesn't necessarily tell us the whole
story and we don't even have all the specs 36 compute units uh and then we
have memory bandwidth and we have five ter like we know approximately how it's
going to perform but that is not the whole story how powerful is the AMD hype
train here guys hit me up and let me
know in the Twitter Blitz you know are you planning to buy one and it doesn't
necessarily have to be for you tell me
what you're planning to buy it for like are you planning to buy one for a
friend's computer or for a Rel computer or something along those lines I do want
to hear from you guys let's go ahead and chat Zen very briefly here while I wait
for some results to roll in there uh let me just go uh actually I
think this article is the ZD net one that I was accidentally referring to
before let's go ahead and pop that in there all
right so I've heard it speculated you know six ways from
Sunday that Zen will be released you know
this year or early next year or early
this year I mean there has been rumors flying about Zen this is AMD's upcoming
Flagship CPU architecture it's going to be awesome or not well according to you
know AMD Fanboys and AMD employees yes
but they've both let me down a number of times in the past so I'm personally
withholding any judgment until I actually am holding one and putting it
into a motherboard but um it looks like they may actually
be coming closer so here's the update
Lisa Sue held a Zen processor that she
claimed is working in her hand on
stage they are claiming 40% higher IPC
that's instructions per clock versus the last generation although we don't know
anything about the final clock speed what was shown was eight cores 16
threads so we should have some kind of hyperthreading equivalent on the AMD
side now it's going to be using a finfet process which is not any kind of a
surprise there will be an am4 desktop platform to go with it which oh man AMD
is sorely in need of a desktop platform up totally I mean did you know no that
AMD's Flagship desktop processor the 9590 FX whatever it is um still runs PCI
Express 2.0 that sounds old and DDR3 oh
bz Express 2.0 is older than DDR3 but that's okay I like having you here for
these reactions I enjoy that um because even though I had actually
this was kind of a back room discussion so I'm not going to say which motherboard manufacturer said it but one
motherboard manufacturer had actually done the work of enabling PCI Express
3.0 they had motherboards that they'd like had it working on and then for
AMD's chip yeah and there was there was kind of no official support or there
that update is just not coming oh so they tried it got it kind of working so
so like it it got as bad as like motherboard makers were trying to do the
work for them yeah and nothing ever happened feel like that with Premiere
well I'm doing the work for Adobe so there's no date for Zen but
what was said is that it's alive it's on track and they are extraordinarily
excited about what Zen will bring to the marketplace due date on this or they
just so it could be Vapor Weare I would
say I would say I'll be surprised if it's not Q4 this year or more much more
likely q1 Q2 next year Q4 means the last
four months kids I'm going to let you think about
that for a second last three months yeah well you know four time 3 is 12
divides in there somehow thank you Teran three all right let's go ahead and jump
on to that uh that Twitter Blitz over there have a look at what you guys are
uh have a look at what you guys are oh dang it I don't know why it does this
give me my give me my window region come
on baby come on baby what are you talking about you can do this what are you doing
oh I'm just waiting for the uh the dialogue to pop up so that I can go
ahead and capture you know what it's okay I can just start reading some of these um Stephen Workman says I'm saving
up for my first proper gaming PC and I'm really interested in the 480 the frames
per Canadian peso look pretty good that's that's a serious Factor like this
will be a serious gaming card available
at a price that people outside of the United States of America might actually
be able to afford but like it is a serious gaming card right like we know
the specs we know that it will be good we know that it will be fluff good we
just don't know how good uhhuh we know the minimum goodness and there are other
things that we don't know for example like we don't know if it's going to be plagued by driver issues out of the gate
oh boy that'll be fun like we have we have no way of predicting something like
that um here we go eore says yes rx480 for my
own rig sold my 7970 Crossfire and will
buy it there you go uh Bob Ross I'm
considering it for a friend's thousand gaming rig Brian says I'm waiting for
GTX 1050 unless someone puts a fraking back
plate on the RX um I would say Brian I
probably would not I probably would not
make my decision about a GPU based on
whether or not it has a back plate fun fact uh back plates in many cases you'll
see cutouts on them for certain components to stick up through them
because back plates in many cases actually cause components on the back of
the card to run hotter because there's a big thing of metal in the way because
there's a big thing of metal in the way that makes sense unless the manufacturer
is investing in a lot of thermal interface material as well as the uh the
Precision manufacturing of the back plate that will allow it to rest evenly
on all of those components um they actually are a not that beneficial and B
can actually reduce compatibility with other cards being in
your system at the same time because the spec for the spacing of a PCI slot does
not account for anything above the PCB on the back of the card so there's a you
put the thing on top of my head fun fact for you no no it's not actually there oh
yeah no it is it's on the stream see oh really yeah it's right there
oh uh oops you captured your own oh okay
well headless tan over here gosh darn
it um whatever I give up on that I'm just
going to read them to you guys uh Nitro blast says you have to get
the timing just right to get it on on the W show
lol yes that is true and it is pretty tough uh Daniel says I I could buy it
yet holy cow compared to even to the
straw pole there's a lot of you guys
saying yeah let's go for it see I'm way more cautious than this I don't like to
buy anything unless it's been out for a while everything about it is known
people have been using it for a while they know that it's good I don't like to
be on The Cutting Edge for stuff like this huh I think y'all y'all are crazy I
mean I personally think it's a little early too I would be waiting for GTX
1060 I just want to see how that card
plays out because what you guys need to remember is that even though AMD is
shouting from the rooftops about how amazing RX 460 to 480 are going to be
and how they're going to be like killer performance per watt per dollar and all
that stuff it's not like this is AMD's
Flagship GTX 1080 1070 competing chip
size that's not what we're looking at here this is more of a mainstream size
die so NVIDIA's cards NVIDIA's chips
were never intended to compete with these Polaris chips like they sit above
and below each other like this so for a little while here until NVIDIA fills out
their lower-end 14 nmet cards and AMD fills out their higher end ones whether
you you buy NVIDIA or AMD could basically come down to how much money
you have to spend if you're looking at that like a a value gaming rig you may
be forced to buy AMD because NVIDIA's last generation 28 nanometer Maxwell
chips are probably going to make no sense compared to Polaris but if you
want a high-end rig I mean unless you want to just start like stacking RX 480s
into your system which is never a good strategy by the way adding up more cards
you're going to be forced to buy NVIDIA because AMD won't have anything even
close to competing with it yeah what he
said or you could just lag behind by like two years and everything will be
fine all right why don't we move why don't we move on to a topic that tan
Taran will like better or 20 years that's not true so this is um I mean
this is one of those things where it's like in your 101 philosop from from like
a a philosophy 101 type of standpoint
yes you know you could be like who man I
have opinions on this yeah man um so
Elon Musk yeah the chance we are not
living in a computer simulation is one in billions where did
he get that number from he figures if we
aren't stuck in a matrix style world then the world is about to end really
how now how does he furthermore figure that I so disagree with this by the way
I have lots of reasons why don't you go first and then I'll go through and then
I'll go through our notes on Mr mus there's a concept in philosophy known as
falsifiability wait or is that science whatever it's a concept for something to
be scientific it needs to be falsifiable
so you could say that there's like there's the example of of the Russell's
teapot floating out between Mars and and uh Earth it could be there but we don't
know there more information prove a what teapot just a teapot okay no no okay I'm
not explaining very well no you're not no no no okay let's start over with cism
which is the idea that my mind is the only one that I know for sure exists I
think therefore I am right famous thing in
philosophy the only thing why is my phone making noise the only thing that
you can prove to yourself absolutely
100% is that you exist everything Beyond there you have to take at least some
Measure of Faith to accept so as long as
your standards of proof are not so incredibly uh hardcore that you don't
believe that the world exists by itself you can pretty much accept that the
world is real okay so the problem with
saying that we're in The Matrix or computer simulation or whatever is that
it's not falsifiable there's no possible
way to prove that there's no way to prove it and there's no way more
importantly there's no way to disprove it and that's why you can't believe this
and that's why you can't make any meaningful statement upon how true it is
it's nice to be able to speculate but to put a number on it like one out of a
million or 10 million or whatever he said that's ridiculous so to be clear it
is a bit of a sensationalist headline but here's sort of the here's sort of
the the the Spiel the strongest argument
for us probably being in a simulation I think is the following he told the uh
code conference in California 40 years ago we had pong two rectangles and a DOT
well I'm sold okay that's where we were
now 40 years later we have photorealistic 3D simulations with
millions of people playing simultaneously and it's getting better every year soon we'll have virtual
reality we'll have augmented reality so he said that if the speed of these
advancements dropped by a thousand we would still be moving forward at an
intense speed relative to the age of life in general so says probably to the
question of whether we are all in a simulated game that we should be hopeful
we're in a simulation because otherwise if civilization stops advancing then
that may be due to some kind of calamitous event that stops civilization
so I guess the argument is that at the rate that we are improving
technologically it shouldn't be a surprise that we can technologically
improve enough to have a simulation of
us or oh well I mean like it there's
there's an interesting story about this where they come up with a computer that
can simulate no they come up with a computer with infinite power right it
can it has infinite CPU Cycles yeah and so then they decide oh let's simulate
the universe and they do that and then they figure out oh crap we're in our own
simulation because it goes infinitely deep so the chance that you would be on
one of those simulation levels because right the computer is being simulated
inside of the computer because it's infinite so the chance that you would be
one of those would you know is is pretty much guaranteed so that seems like
basically the conversation we're having the trouble is you cannot make a
computer that can simulate the universe without it being larger than the
universe because it would have to be in the universe right no you could have a
data set that is larger than the physical computer
itself I don't know the the the point is
I mean the universe is is quite quite a huge thing and you know what I think the
point is is atoms you count it's like trillion quintilian billions
Gillian I think I'm going to need a I think I'm going to need a second all
right let's go ahead and do a rapid fire topic here this one's uh this one's
pretty light we don't have to think much about it original article here is from
the verge.com let's go ahead and pull this baby up ducky releases a the ducky
pocket is a mechanical keyboard calculator with Cherry MX switches oh
great huh huh how awesome is that can I
be the voice voice of negativity over here you can be the voice of negativity
but I'll hate you for it what's cool about mechanical
keyboards and I'm I used to not be so sold on them and now I understand yeah
why they're cool is that they're comfortable to type on yeah uh they're
nice to type I don't know they're just they're they're you know they're good to
type on but when you're typing you're doing a lot of keystrokes quite quickly
and you need to do so accurately uhhuh with a calculator a calculator not so
much mhm or or with something like like we have these little Tech Keys keyboards
that have like three keys on them those don't need to be mechanical we don't
need fancy key switches we just need buttons it doesn't matter I'm going to
counter that argument some people touch type on a number pad okay for people who
do a lot of calculations I can see that being cool well why would anyone who
doesn't do a lot of calculations buy a calculator they have one built into their phone that's why I don't have a
calculator right it's part of my phone so if you were to buy a calculator
wouldn't you by definition be the target audience for someone who would need good
key cap or good key switches on a
calculator I just tore your argument apart son you just got W
showed so basically why are you typing everything in by hand anyway so
basically it's the same thing as those
Standalone mechanical number pads that have existed for quite some time for
laptop users in particular but now it has an LCD display on it which I
personally think is very cool oh yeah whatever I'm sold I'm sold apparently it has RGB
backlighting yeah see that's definitely
pointless badass badass pointless badass
what do you need that for well you don't need it no you don't need it it's not
about need it's about being cool yeah you know you're cruising down
the street with your RGB calculator impressing all the
ladies you just you type boobies in it and then you show it to them yeah that
would that a good trick you know uh what what else can you spell on the
calculator I can't I can't remember I don't know it's been a while since high
school definitely boobs yeah well that you know that's easy and boob yeah and
boo are we done we're done with that uh
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use Linda all right so the next article here
is from techraptor domnet here you go oh oops that was the
wrong one that is uh that is a controversial looking thumbnail image
that we got going on there 26 controversial games pulled from Steam in
a German Crackdown so the removed games
include karmageddon Max pack that is old
game uh painkiller Black Edition it's
like okay postal postal two postal three
Rune Classic Time shift Uber
Soldier uh basically some some hyper
violent types of titles um and this is an attempt to remove media which may be
harmful to Germany's younger audience oh dear so the game release is
actually span an era of 20 years I was going to say
those I those are old some of those and it appears to be ACC done accordingly to
to the titles appearing on the list of media harmful to young people also known
as the index so it includes Games music
books and movies and when a title is placed on this list it is placed in one
of two categories list a books sorry it
includes books they're banning books now so list a is unable to receive a US
rating so that's the German equivalent of ESRB so this prevents an official
German release um and buyers of foreign
versions must not make the game's content accessible to miners in any way
and list B cannot be sold at all within
Germany so valve hasn't issued an official statement but some of it I get
so some of these contain um like Nazi imagery oh which is Hardcore band in
Germany man oh yeah that
that is definitely definitely not a thing but um some of this stuff does not
appear to have been banned for that particular reason well like here's the
thing I know that there's a lot of discussions about do violent video games
make kids violence do we know the answer
we don't know the answer some people think they know the answer but did they
have has there been research done like because if it legitimately you know
causes kids to be more violent then that's a concern for sure but like do we
know there's research done but none of it's conclusive and anyone who thinks
that any of it is conclusive has an agenda and is trying to sort of answer
it one way or the other before they even go in and look at it there's nothing
conclusive I can I find that so hard to believe I can personally say that I was
not made violent by violent video games me neither probably but yeah me neither
probably I don't know you don't strike me as particular violent I'm not violent
not like your old roommate anyway oh oh yeah I had a I had a guy's roommate who
ended up killing a few people it's that's a story for another time I'm
surprised he didn't kill you I got I pieced out of there real quick yeah he
would have you think so yes he was
incredibly unstable very violent person
and uh play a lot of video games he played a lot of sports interesting
hashtag blam sports do Sports make kids violent well you know
maybe cuz like like Luke was talking to me about what was it lacrosse where he
was playing where every time he'd go out he would he would just like hit this one
guy that he didn't like you remember that no he never told me that part of
Lacrosse I wouldn't have played lacrosse with him if I know that's what I was saying but this guy was a bit bigger
than Luke and he always thought he could take him and then Luke always laid the beat down so yeah Sports you know also a
concern yeah so we should ban Sports we should ban
Sports uh speaking of speaking of banning we should ban large ssds because
this looks freaking awesome so the original article
here is from news. samsung.com Samsung has begun
mass-producing the industry's first 512
gig nvma SSD in a single BGA package
this is to give more flexibility in Computing device design for those of us
who don't know what a BGA package is
basically you know uh what the single
chip on a stick of RAM looks like just the one little black CH the black thingy
that's kind of square yeah you know how there's a bunch of them yeah it's all
one one of those is a BGA package the picture okay yeah so this right here
that you guys are looking at that is a
512 gig SSD that's half a terabyte
unfreaking real so we're at the point
now where especially guys like Samsung the only reason we don't have you know
20 terab or 50 terab ssds is that the
cost of the controller and the cost of all those chips would simply be too high
for any customer to afford it those are like smaller than a dime right yeah I'd
say they're about the size of a dime yeah so what that means is in a new
tablet or like a twoin one you could
have a full-fledged NVMe SSD albeit not
with the same power as something like a 950 Pro but a full-fledged NVM
SSD in an unheard of form factor like we
don't even have to have saying now the price a card on it uh I do not know
pricing at this time all we have right
now is specs so they're saying it's designed for use in Next Generation PCS
and ultra slim notebooks um extremely compact package
that contains all essential SSD components including the Nan flash
memory the dam and the controller uh it triples the performance
of a typical SATA SSD says uh Jung B
the senior vice president of memory product planning and application engineering team which is freaking
unbelievable it's got 15 of Samsung's 48 layer 256 GB vand flash chips uh 12 nanm
4 gig lpddr4 mobile D RAM chip and a high performance Samsung controller it
weighs only about 1 gram sequential read and write speeds of
1.5 gigabytes per second and 900
megabytes per second when turbo Rite technology is used
pretty freaking unbelievable let's go ahead and start
doing some rapid fire topics Taran would you use a water cooled laptop no no
based on what I've seen with lonus who's supposed to know what he's doing and
likes water cooling and still stuff gets corroded and horrible no well that
wasn't me at my best in all fairness to water cooling now now hang on though
because I've seen the insides of some of these laptops and they have like the
little the little tube thingies what are those called he heat pipes heat pipes
yes are do those have a liquid in them okay so now you're opening up a can of
worm kind of water cooled already and it's contained the point is it needs to
be contained you're opening up a can of worms because some phone manufacturers
uh including Sony and uh uh what's their
face someone else is doing it some phone manufacturers are coming out and saying
they have water cooled phones because their phone contains a heat pipe oh
right but that is not strictly speaking
true a heat pipe contains a fluid yes
and when it's cold in one part of the heat pipe it will be liquid so they
actually I believe they lower the pressure inside them so that theorization point of of the liquid
actually gets lower anyway so the idea is that at the at a cold point in the
heat pipe uh that would be where your heat sink is it will turn to liquid and
Wick back to the heat Source where it will evaporate and flow so in a sense
yes liquid is moving inside the heat pipe but it is it will not achieve
nearly the efficiency of a full-on liquid Loop because it's a loop because
is that the difference a loop with a pump um well it's it's to do with it's
to do with conduction so having more volume of water making contact with more
surface area of copper Heat s is better
having the water move at high speed is better um having again having more water
is better for um absorbing little spikes
in thermal output because the water itself will take quite a bit of time to
heat up even if you don't have anything actively cooling it so it would make
something like a phone if you could actually water cool it and there was a significant volume of water inside it
would mean that when you start playing a game it would take much longer to start
thermal throttling for example because you'd have to heat up all that water and
water can absorb a lot of thermal energy before the temperature of it actually
Rises is there not a better liquid than water that can absorb even more heat um
I think most heat pipes do use water um
some extra stuff in there some of them may use alcohols of some sort I'm not a
heat pipe expert unfortunately though all right so let's talk about this water
cooled laptop this is the gx800 the successor to the
gx700 it can run on its own just like its predecessor but it can also clip
into this quick relase enabled base that
includes water cooling um this is great so this is over on tech radar positive
things very powerful color customizable mechanical keyboard Thermo Hydro
clocking unlocks overclocking for everything bad extreme power needs oh
really yeah so describing the last one they released as absolutely mental I
think is probably an understatement mental in a good or a bad way um I think
they just mean mental in a mentally in insane way well but like is it good or
bad uh I'm a simple man I simple answers
I it's heavy and expensive and
Powerful it has a GTX
980 um yeah apparently this one has two
980s which is what insane really hold on
a second here two 980s stuffed in there
what you sure yeah apparently it has two 980s in
it do we have one the laptop actually comes with two 330 watt power supplies
meaning that this laptop actually I had not gone far
enough to realize it has had 298 this laptop will consume as much
power as a desktop
um and be about as portable really as a desktop with a screen on the side panel
yeah so make of that what you will uh
it's not the only ridiculous thing that ASUS released at the show the zenbo
proves that uh this is this is a great this is a great headline from end Gadget
proves that our robot Butler dreams remain just
that the promotional video for this thing is freaking creepy oh wow that
face they could they could have chosen any other face let me go ahead and move
the uh move this down there you go so we
can put this full screen appreciate the this thing is freaking here's the here's
the YouTube video you guys you guys don't even really need audio but it's
like it's just so weird like it
introduces all these characters or something and then it
shows how zenbo helps them yeah but what it
doesn't have arms and then well he tells Grandpa to take his medication or like
your phone could do that he takes pictures with a terrible camera but your
phone could do that um
yes but um they're all going to be waste high level then like Grandpa falls down
in this like weird slowmo sequence and
then zenbo gives mom a live view of how
Grandpa fell down and makes sure that
Grandpa's okay and stuff it's it's look at him like
smiling while Grandpa Falls can he recognize that a person has fallen down
I mean computer vision is a difficult thing to do yeah I'm uh what if a dog
falls to the floor and just kind of walks away I mean will it be able to
tell the difference yeah I'm really not sold on this and it's like an 11 minute
long video does it have any useful information uh if you were looking to
buy a zenbo and you were wondering about the things that it theoretically does
then yes it contains a lot of useful information otherwise I would say it's
11 agonizing minutes of I sure wish that
that the zenbo was a product that anyone could care about and that uh and that
isus hadn't spend their time doing something else um so here's the
functionality it apparently has it can detect faces it can apparently help with
cooking because it can put recipes up on its screen although I can't think of a
reason that I would want a robot on the floor with my recipe on its face pick it
up and put on the counter yeah which is like I could have a laptop to do that it
has built-in speakers for music okay it can connect to Smart devices like air
conditioners lighting TVs and connected door locks oh oh I would not want to
connect it can move around independently door lock assuming that your house
doesn't have any stairs and it will learn fallen and I
can't get up and it will apparently learn and adapt to how you use it of
course it will um well one solution so does the mechanoid g15 and that thing
was awful one solution to getting your
stupid Butler upstairs would be a dumb
waiter can we move on now yeah we can move
on uh what else we got here like
robotics you know you would there's some impressive
uh hurdles that have been made but um
this thing is is way too early like there's no way that it's going to have the functionality that you would want
from a robot B assistant not even close not even close like it doesn't have an
ARM give it one ARM that's all you need
hey one ARM well I mean that's where you
start you're so amature I always you
know forget I don't know why Indian customers hit hard on NVIDIA for insane
pricing of their 1080 graphics card so the founders Edition is supposed to be
somewhere in the neighborhood of $699 us with 5.99 being more like what you'd
expect for regular models uh non-reference cards so on May 27th it was officially
released and officially available on amazon. one of the top three online
shopping websites in India Zotac Gigabyte and ASUS apparently have their
prices listed 57 to 87% higher than the
price announced at NVIDIA's launch event so prices should be at around 47,000
rupees but cards are listed around
71,500 rupees or about 1,
70 us I would love to give the benefit of
the doubt and say Indian retailers probably screwed up the model number and
the pricing columns mhm very funny but that's probably not
what happened I mean the reality of it is whether it's due to tariffs or taxes
or any other wide variety of reasons
sometimes us pricing does not translate to other countries with that said this
does look a little bit like pure gouging
to me um you got to you know you got to
gouge someone so you know what I would
let's do another straw poll here I want to hear from you guys do us prices
translate to where you live because honestly here in Canada they pretty much
do in some cases no these are pricier here some things are but computer
components are generally once you factor in exchange rate and factor in that
shipping does just cost a little more up here they are pretty darn close you
might not see the same uh like Black Friday deals for example but general
pricing day today is actually very very
close so I want to hear from you guys uh whether that's what you have observed
where you're from this is really cool uh have you
checked out the elevated bus no okay
scroll down to that topic and have a look and I'll uh we'll make that our
next one but I want to show the drop hole results here
first so yeah we've got a whopping 54%
of you oh I screwed up the title but hopefully you guys were hopefully you
guys were listening while I was telling you about the title of it do us prices
to where you live we've got 53% of you saying no 25% of you throwing away your
vote and uh only 22% of you saying yes
which given that I think over 22% of our
viewership is in the US would mean that some of our us viewers
either they all figured out that they shouldn't vote because they are from the
US M or they um got a little
confused so I wasn't paying attention I'm looking at this elevated bus yeah
this thing looks freaking it looks really cool awesome comma but I have
some concerns yeah I've got a handful of concerns too so this is pretty cool
there's a YouTube video of it here I'm just going to go ahead pull this up so this there you go it's
not up is the oh whoops I'm sorry let's go ahead and share Linus's screen so
this is sort of a a a concept for an
elevated bus so the passengers sit up here mhm and the idea is that this would
solve congestion Problems by actually having it drive above the road above
cars on the road let me tell you though if I was in a car and that thing passed
me I would be terrified
I would be like whoa suddenly I'm in a tunnel I you know I I was going to turn
like people are going to freak out when that thing goes over them yep I mean
people in bike Lanes might get yeah hit
um anyone in sort of a taller than normal vehicle might have a bit of a
problem well you would have to oh dear you'd have to impose height limits on
cars on certain roads yep yeah you'd have to like have the bars so you can't
even enter there are definitely some issues with the idea but like it's a
cool idea in Theory maybe but if it was
deployed strategically I could see this being
pretty cool it will be apparently be able to carry 1,200 passengers will be
able to go over top of cars and let traffic pass underneath it it runs on
fixed rails along the road and they had a scale model shown at the Expo so here
in Vancouver is area we have something called The Sky Train which is basically
just a Subway but it's elevated it's in the air and it just goes over the roads
it does not interact with them either over or under so you never have to deal
with it it never has to wait at a light but the cost of that never have to you
know yeah is much higher yeah so they're estimating that this will cost
one what a Subway would cost mhm has anyone ever done this not that
I'm aware of so it's just a little model cuz I've seen this kind of thing before
it's just a little model for now
mhm it' be super I would love to ride one of those it'd be awesome that would
be cool yeah like sitting in the front of that thing just like whipping over
the cars underneath you it' be like it would be like if Bridges could drive
yeah I I don't imagine that it whips very much probably the cars under it are
going to be going faster than this thing it probably Lumbers along well the idea
is to uh get around traffic yeah but
like be like congest what about when it comes up to a light like it's going to
have to wait at the light right because like what if you
have two of these things have toit what if you've got you've got the other cars like they can't pass through it unless
you do like columns the cars would be faster off the line but maybe the bus
would go faster when they hit a an an obstruction of some sort I don't know I
don't know man I like it I think it's cool it's cool but is it
practical all right speaking of practical I think that's pretty much it
for the Practical life of the show today is it let's give Taran a big round of
applause for being my co-host today yay Taran yay tan oh wow twitch chat hates
you do they oh no no they're fine oh you're looking at
it never mind I did not get away with that one there and uh just so for those
of you who have been wondering oh yeah we never explained all stream uh the
reason for this is I was actually shooting my review of the cat headphones
from Brookstone so I wanted uh I wanted
a look that I felt like would
appropriately go along with them so I got all got all done up prior to hosting
the review and then I was jealous so I put this on
yeah pretty much there's not much to it
yeah I look good in this um all right thanks guys see you next
time same bat Time same bat Channel yeah
oh hopefully the intro Works got people asking if you can take
the ears off um no I don't think so
unless you cut them off this wig is hot I know wigs make
your head surprisingly hot it's all sweaty like it is not a pretty
thing well I don't know if oh there it goes
yes