WEBVTT 00:00:01.319 --> 00:00:08.040 all right what's up what's up my friends 00:00:04.920 --> 00:00:09.639 welcome to the W show we've got a great 00:00:08.040 --> 00:00:15.039 show for you guys today lots of different topics I've got a uh brand new 00:00:12.360 --> 00:00:19.520 co-host here I just came in off the street you know you look like you came 00:00:17.279 --> 00:00:24.920 in off the street you don't have like you know a look like I do no I am 00:00:22.880 --> 00:00:30.400 jealous actually I was hoping like do we have a wig or anything I I came in like 00:00:27.679 --> 00:00:33.079 off the club that's that's where I came in off of I'm going to go see if there's 00:00:31.800 --> 00:00:40.520 anything I can wear that's all right in the meantime I'm going to tell you guys what we've got for topics today uh Intel 00:00:37.680 --> 00:00:47.480 has unveiled Broadwell e their new flagship desktop processors that is to 00:00:43.600 --> 00:00:51.120 say HT or high-end desktop 00:00:47.480 --> 00:00:53.559 processors that pricing AMD on the 00:00:51.120 --> 00:01:00.440 subject of maybe lower pricing has showed off their Polaris gpus and 00:00:57.120 --> 00:01:03.120 actually did a reveal of a Zen CPU more 00:01:00.440 --> 00:01:08.600 on that later on we've got some information this all rumors at this 00:01:04.879 --> 00:01:10.759 point about the OnePlus 3 launch and 00:01:08.600 --> 00:01:17.759 Samsung has a 512 gig SSD that's like this big looks 00:01:15.680 --> 00:01:24.040 like it is going to enable some seriously wow you look even worse than 00:01:19.840 --> 00:01:28.720 me uh some seriously small devices with 00:01:24.040 --> 00:01:30.759 a seriously large amount of storage so 00:01:28.720 --> 00:01:36.680 uh without further ado do let's hope the intro Works cuz I actually did not test 00:01:33.439 --> 00:01:40.040 it today yeah you did no I didn't listen 00:01:36.680 --> 00:01:44.399 to it also it seems to be taking a while 00:01:40.040 --> 00:01:47.520 to to load there let's see if it finds 00:01:44.399 --> 00:01:50.159 that file and uh goes ahead and plays it 00:01:47.520 --> 00:01:54.439 at some point that would be super duper swell come on you got this buddy you got 00:01:53.159 --> 00:02:00.980 this buddy buddy I need like a hair thing uh 00:01:59.200 --> 00:02:04.109 would have that I'm going to use a 00:02:26.560 --> 00:02:31.959 bu terrifies us all oh man this hair is 00:02:30.000 --> 00:02:37.360 awful you can you can feel that it's cheap uh yeah I had to wear that for an 00:02:35.519 --> 00:02:42.080 entire W show no one's forcing you that's the key difference here you know 00:02:38.879 --> 00:02:43.640 what I I I want to be in the lonus club 00:02:42.080 --> 00:02:50.480 in the Linus Club you are in the lonus club it's called lonus Media Group yo 00:02:46.200 --> 00:02:52.560 all right so uh without further Ado why 00:02:50.480 --> 00:02:59.879 don't we just go ahead and get this party started let's kick it off with the 00:02:55.800 --> 00:03:02.879 big Intel news so we can pick well we 00:02:59.879 --> 00:03:04.400 can pick any any Source we want for this 00:03:02.879 --> 00:03:12.200 particular a little bit of news let's go ahead and drop the LT Forum uh Link in 00:03:07.680 --> 00:03:15.159 here so Intel has unveiled Broadwell e 00:03:12.200 --> 00:03:21.879 with complete benchmarks pricing and there's 6950x overclocking results that 00:03:18.400 --> 00:03:24.720 are out there so first let's talk 00:03:21.879 --> 00:03:31.560 pricing it is not going to be any surprise that the HT or high-end desktop 00:03:29.200 --> 00:03:34.959 enthusi desktop parts are going to be priced a little higher than their 00:03:33.000 --> 00:03:42.599 mainstream counterparts so you're used to seeing you know a 6600 K I5 or a 00:03:38.519 --> 00:03:49.640 6700k somewhere in that 00:03:42.599 --> 00:03:52.040 250 to $350 range HT starts at 00:03:49.640 --> 00:03:55.360 $434 if you're buying lots of a thousand of them so the Assumption there would be 00:03:53.519 --> 00:03:59.400 that you would see these somewhere in the neighborhood of 00:03:57.200 --> 00:04:04.519 349 if they're on a really aggressive sale all the way up to probably like 369 00:04:02.319 --> 00:04:08.720 or something along those lines it's funny because you can see Intel's 00:04:06.280 --> 00:04:12.760 margins and this is my this is my former retailer coming through it's not really 00:04:10.560 --> 00:04:18.040 my concern anymore but you can see Intel's margins on their balance sheets 00:04:15.079 --> 00:04:23.120 which are a lot healthier than freaking you know 6% or anything like that and as 00:04:21.239 --> 00:04:27.360 a retailer you have to get by what somewhere in the neighborhood of four to 00:04:24.960 --> 00:04:30.840 5 a half% on Intel processors from my experience with that said there is 00:04:29.120 --> 00:04:35.680 marketing funding available but it just feels like the the wealth could could be 00:04:33.160 --> 00:04:41.160 shared a little bit in that regard though that's not necessarily the case 00:04:37.600 --> 00:04:42.680 uh fun fact giving a typical computer 00:04:41.160 --> 00:04:48.280 retailer more margin will basically just result in 00:04:45.840 --> 00:04:53.000 more policing the retailers to make sure that they aren't undercutting each other 00:04:49.880 --> 00:04:55.080 by a dollar every other day taking all 00:04:53.000 --> 00:05:00.280 the margin out of the product in fact uh one of the reasons that I suspect that 00:04:57.400 --> 00:05:04.000 many manufacturers such as NVIDIA Intel I don't believe it's legal in Canada but 00:05:01.880 --> 00:05:08.720 in the United States you can enforce what's called a map or a minimum 00:05:06.039 --> 00:05:13.000 advertised price and that's the reason that they do this and even though they 00:05:10.120 --> 00:05:17.160 do many just go around it Anyway by offering in store deals or whatever the 00:05:15.039 --> 00:05:21.440 case may be the advertised price or is it a minimum actual price minimum 00:05:19.000 --> 00:05:25.639 advertised price so if you've ever seen that feature on a site and it's less 00:05:23.360 --> 00:05:30.880 typical on Canadian sites because again like I said I believe map is still 00:05:27.199 --> 00:05:34.080 illegal in Canada um 00:05:30.880 --> 00:05:36.360 if you see price too low to show add to 00:05:34.080 --> 00:05:42.960 cart to see price that means that the price is below map Ed can I help 00:05:41.199 --> 00:05:49.160 you oh okay's yeah yeah I think you can scan on 00:05:45.280 --> 00:05:51.880 it I don't know to where so there's 00:05:49.160 --> 00:05:55.000 that why are you talking to Ed I don't know maybe Ed wants to participate in 00:05:53.400 --> 00:06:00.160 the show too he doesn't have fun hair well do you have a yeah he doesn't have fun hair like us actually his hair is 00:05:57.960 --> 00:06:05.160 getting pretty fun with his little thing he's got going there samurai there's 00:06:03.039 --> 00:06:09.720 like a oh man there's a hair clip that sits right under this headband that's uh 00:06:07.960 --> 00:06:15.039 that's actually quite painful but you know fashion is not about Comfort no 00:06:13.360 --> 00:06:19.479 fashion is about often the other way around looking uh looking amazing real 00:06:17.280 --> 00:06:23.360 hair that can go down this way yeah that's not a thing to brag about show 00:06:21.319 --> 00:06:30.039 off your do you have your ponytail thing no I have it it's now that way you have 00:06:26.800 --> 00:06:33.280 your ponytail combed forward just under 00:06:30.039 --> 00:06:37.319 my hat if I'm not wearing a hat I do it 00:06:33.280 --> 00:06:39.919 up great I look good with this oh man 00:06:37.319 --> 00:06:44.639 it's not a ponytail it's a man bun a man bun should go full Rainbow Dash all the 00:06:42.360 --> 00:06:49.520 time all right so let's talk let's talk pricing for the rest of these processor 00:06:46.319 --> 00:06:51.440 so to start with uh here I'm just going 00:06:49.520 --> 00:06:55.520 to go ahead and pull up so these images are off of a ontech I love those guys 00:06:53.759 --> 00:07:00.080 and I'm o I'm going to have to move us over to the right for this I think there 00:06:57.520 --> 00:07:06.759 we go so there is the 6800k so the 6800k is a six core there 00:07:04.479 --> 00:07:13.280 are not any here let me see yep there we go is a 6 core there are no quad cores 00:07:10.160 --> 00:07:15.879 in the lineup just like last time around 00:07:13.280 --> 00:07:19.680 um it is hyperthreaded all i7s are hyper threaded so that shouldn't be any kind 00:07:17.680 --> 00:07:25.000 of a surprise anything on the HDT platform is a core i7 uh well unless you 00:07:23.120 --> 00:07:28.800 were to like pop a zon in there it's not the kind of thing that Intel supports 00:07:26.319 --> 00:07:35.360 officially but between you and me in the wall it can can be done uh it's clocked 00:07:31.360 --> 00:07:38.120 at 3.4 GHz so once again the six core 00:07:35.360 --> 00:07:42.919 processor is actually clocked higher even at the the lower end than the 8 00:07:40.759 --> 00:07:48.479 core processor so this was the case last time around with the 00:07:45.319 --> 00:07:51.840 5960x and it turbos up to a multiplier 00:07:48.479 --> 00:07:54.000 of 35 or you can see up to 00:07:51.840 --> 00:07:59.800 3.6 gigahertz so let's step it up a little 00:07:56.360 --> 00:08:02.240 bit let's go have a look at the 6850 00:07:59.800 --> 00:08:07.440 there are actually Four SKS this time which is which is pretty interesting so 00:08:04.319 --> 00:08:11.400 this one is clocked a little higher and 00:08:07.440 --> 00:08:13.360 otherwise um basically pretty much the 00:08:11.400 --> 00:08:19.400 same thing it's even rated at the same TDP although Ian over at a ntech 00:08:16.280 --> 00:08:21.000 actually tested them and I mean it's 00:08:19.400 --> 00:08:25.599 something that I've personally been aware of for quite some time but may not 00:08:23.759 --> 00:08:29.080 be something that you guys know he tested them and discovered that even 00:08:27.199 --> 00:08:33.240 though they're all rated at the same TDP or thermal design power uh the power 00:08:31.560 --> 00:08:37.039 consumption from one ship to another is actually quite different and the reason 00:08:35.320 --> 00:08:41.399 for that will be fairly evident once we go have a look at the third skew so this 00:08:39.039 --> 00:08:41.399 is the 00:08:42.240 --> 00:08:47.000 6900k this one comes in oh right so the 00:08:45.640 --> 00:08:51.040 other difference between those last two was 28 PCI Express Lanes on the lower 00:08:49.160 --> 00:08:56.480 end one and 40 on the higher end one they are pulling that again so the 00:08:53.880 --> 00:09:01.519 6900k is actually more of a direct replacement for the 5960x 00:08:59.720 --> 00:09:07.399 and the reason that I say that is here we go from six cores to eight cores with 00:09:05.279 --> 00:09:11.200 hyperthreading and actually the same clock speed so this is what would have 00:09:09.519 --> 00:09:17.399 typically been an extreme Edition in every way including pricing this Chip is 00:09:14.279 --> 00:09:20.279 going to cost you a whopping 00:09:17.399 --> 00:09:25.800 th000 at retail actually a little bit more now they've actually increased the 00:09:22.120 --> 00:09:30.560 pricing there so it is 1089 for a 00:09:25.800 --> 00:09:34.680 6900k in lots of a th000 leading to a 00:09:30.560 --> 00:09:37.440 chip that has never existed before lower 00:09:34.680 --> 00:09:40.760 maximum clock speed for the flagship one like I was saying this is similar to 00:09:38.959 --> 00:09:47.320 last generation where the eight core is clocked lower than the six 00:09:43.720 --> 00:09:50.000 cores but this one has a whopping 10 00:09:47.320 --> 00:09:54.440 cores and it's overclockable on a desktop platform based on early results 00:09:53.040 --> 00:09:59.680 you would expect somewhere in the neighborhood of 00:09:56.600 --> 00:10:04.839 4.1 and change gigahertz when 00:09:59.680 --> 00:10:04.839 overclocking it making it at 00:10:05.360 --> 00:10:12.440 $1,700 a very difficult purchase to 00:10:09.800 --> 00:10:15.640 justify so let's start talking workloads okay what do people do with computers 00:10:14.320 --> 00:10:23.800 well like I was just going to say like slow down here this all just sounds like a bunch of techno Babble to me why 00:10:19.399 --> 00:10:25.000 should I as a normal person care about 00:10:23.800 --> 00:10:30.120 all of this do you hear what he just called himself lean into the microphone 00:10:27.600 --> 00:10:36.399 a little bit as a normal person yeah well not quite like that but like sit up 00:10:33.120 --> 00:10:37.519 yeah you know just I armrest is still on 00:10:36.399 --> 00:10:43.440 this chair see that's what happens when you 00:10:39.880 --> 00:10:47.120 have armrests it's a 00:10:43.440 --> 00:10:50.000 disaster okay so okay so what are you 00:10:47.120 --> 00:10:55.000 asking uh I was I was saying like why why should the average person care about 00:10:52.399 --> 00:11:00.240 the new 10 core Intel CPU um well this is where I wanted to 00:10:57.720 --> 00:11:03.120 get into different workloads okay so tell me what what do people do on their 00:11:01.480 --> 00:11:06.680 computers just start start firing stuff at me uh gaming I do a lot of video okay 00:11:05.639 --> 00:11:12.200 well hold on hold on let's do one at a time rapid fire so for gaming um I 00:11:10.240 --> 00:11:16.760 didn't say rapidly fire I said fire at me so for for 00:11:15.160 --> 00:11:24.760 gaming the the 6950x so the extreme Edition 00:11:20.800 --> 00:11:27.320 $1,700 plus 1,800 probably retail $1,800 00:11:24.760 --> 00:11:32.279 processor performs identically across the board 00:11:30.120 --> 00:11:36.240 to The Other Extreme Edition processor so the six the two six cores and the8 00:11:34.959 --> 00:11:42.240 core identically um because gaming is is 00:11:39.839 --> 00:11:46.600 mostly going to come down to what clock speed you can run your fastest two to 00:11:44.959 --> 00:11:50.120 four cores at in the case of going up against 00:11:48.880 --> 00:11:56.079 something like a 6700k so that's a Skylake quad core on 00:11:53.320 --> 00:12:01.040 the mainstream platform it will actually lose in quite a few cases because it is 00:11:58.800 --> 00:12:06.839 clocked significantly lower skyl can turbo up to 4 GHz so uh that that's 00:12:04.880 --> 00:12:10.120 about a 10% difference in clock speed not to mention that it's running a more 00:12:09.200 --> 00:12:17.680 upto-date microarchitecture so on the desktop platform they actually are running one 00:12:14.480 --> 00:12:20.279 full generation newer of Chip design 00:12:17.680 --> 00:12:23.320 enabling newer features as well as higher performance and lower power 00:12:21.760 --> 00:12:27.360 consumption you say on the desktop platform you mean like desktops not 00:12:25.160 --> 00:12:30.880 laptop the mainstream desktop platform cuz these are both desktop platforms 00:12:28.800 --> 00:12:37.320 that we're talking talking about great so not high-end desktop regular desktop 00:12:34.160 --> 00:12:39.199 okay so for gaming basically it makes no 00:12:37.320 --> 00:12:43.199 sense at all hit me with another use case to have the 10 core yeah to have 00:12:40.880 --> 00:12:48.079 the $1,700 extreme Edition 10 core okay video editing video editing okay so once 00:12:45.880 --> 00:12:53.959 again um I pretty much can't think of a scenario where it makes any sense really 00:12:50.160 --> 00:12:56.800 because in most cases you are either 00:12:53.959 --> 00:13:00.639 once again limited by Peak clock speed MH or 00:12:59.440 --> 00:13:05.560 you are using some kind of workload like 00:13:03.160 --> 00:13:10.720 let's say sorns and squeeze where you can take advantage of more cores and if 00:13:08.399 --> 00:13:17.000 that's the case then let's go ahead and have a look at what's available in the 00:13:12.760 --> 00:13:19.480 Zeon E5 V4 lineup because those chips 00:13:17.000 --> 00:13:23.680 are actually socket for socket compatible with pretty much any board 00:13:22.279 --> 00:13:29.639 that would hold one of these extreme editions I'm going to go ahead and pull up Intel's Arc 00:13:26.839 --> 00:13:34.399 website let's find something comparably priced here here's a 00:13:31.839 --> 00:13:40.800 $1,745 processor that consumes less power and has 14 cores clocked at 2.4 00:13:38.399 --> 00:13:47.440 GHz let's have a look at its max turbo speed of 3.3 00:13:44.199 --> 00:13:49.240 GHz is that impressive so yeah that's 00:13:47.440 --> 00:13:53.680 that's pretty that's pretty freaking good not to mention that it comes with 00:13:50.720 --> 00:13:57.360 ECC memory support so oh yeah of course with that said it doesn't support 00:13:55.560 --> 00:14:01.600 overclocking so let's have a look at what else they have in sort of a a 00:13:59.120 --> 00:14:06.079 comparable price range here's a lower clocked 16 00:14:03.560 --> 00:14:09.800 core probably wouldn't be looking at that unless I was in like a heavily 00:14:08.320 --> 00:14:16.720 virtualized environment where I'm running a lot of host operating systems 00:14:13.040 --> 00:14:19.440 um what about like uh rendering for 3D 00:14:16.720 --> 00:14:23.440 animation um in that case it's going to basically that's one of the few 00:14:21.160 --> 00:14:27.720 workloads where you can basically take the number of cores times the frequency 00:14:26.199 --> 00:14:30.920 that they run at factoring in the architecture that they use and kind of 00:14:29.480 --> 00:14:36.279 just add them up and get an actual result it scales 3D rendering scales 00:14:34.279 --> 00:14:40.839 relatively linearly but that's on the CPU not the GPU right are are we 00:14:38.920 --> 00:14:44.759 rendering with the CPU if we're talking about CPU rendering then but would you 00:14:42.320 --> 00:14:48.000 want to do that um well really depends on your on what application you're using 00:14:46.720 --> 00:14:53.360 it's one of those things where it comes down to to what that person's actually 00:14:50.279 --> 00:14:55.279 using so so Intel's competing against 00:14:53.360 --> 00:14:59.639 zons in these heavily multi-threaded workloads and then the other issue that 00:14:57.480 --> 00:15:04.399 I have is particular with our new workflow in Adobe Premiere we could 00:15:02.720 --> 00:15:11.639 easily be using quad cores we did a video recently with an Ultra Book a dual 00:15:08.399 --> 00:15:13.959 core Ultrabook editing video over the 00:15:11.639 --> 00:15:18.800 network using our cfor codec that we convert all of our footage to and the 00:15:16.160 --> 00:15:21.839 performance was fine so the only thing you would actually be able to use the 00:15:20.079 --> 00:15:28.480 extra horses for would be the final export which from my experience only 00:15:25.120 --> 00:15:29.600 benefits from a about so we've got 14 00:15:28.480 --> 00:15:35.680 core process processors in those machines right now and they hit about 60% usage so from about eight 00:15:35.959 --> 00:15:42.560 cores of 10 out of out of 10 yeah so so 00:15:40.440 --> 00:15:46.480 you could easily buy the eight core instead oh and that would wouldn't 00:15:44.560 --> 00:15:50.199 utilize just six then it actually utilizes up to eight yeah it utilizes up 00:15:48.399 --> 00:15:55.519 to eight from my experience with the way that we rendered h.264 yeah so but most 00:15:53.160 --> 00:15:59.519 people don't go to copor First unless they have watched our stuff and realize 00:15:57.440 --> 00:16:05.240 that it's awesome so you're paying an extra 00:16:01.199 --> 00:16:07.199 $700 dear for two more cores on an8 core 00:16:05.240 --> 00:16:12.519 there's another problem is that dual socket motherboards are not that 00:16:10.920 --> 00:16:17.560 expensive compared to regular motherboards especially if you're already spending $1,700 on a processor 00:16:15.519 --> 00:16:21.560 let's assume that you're buying a decent motherboard to go with it so let's have 00:16:19.000 --> 00:16:29.160 a look at here's a 90 watt chip with 10 cores clocked at 2.4 to uh let's see 3.4 00:16:26.040 --> 00:16:31.839 GHz max turbo you could throw two of 00:16:29.160 --> 00:16:35.079 those in that's a $939 processor so just spending a little bit more you could 00:16:33.240 --> 00:16:38.920 chuck two of these bad boys in for a total of 20 00:16:36.600 --> 00:16:42.480 cores if you had a heavily multi-threaded workload and it would be 00:16:40.560 --> 00:16:46.759 able to use all of that well depends if you have a heavily multi-threaded 00:16:43.639 --> 00:16:49.240 workload then yes so no Dwarf Fortress 00:16:46.759 --> 00:16:55.240 so no Dwarf Fortress would it only utilizes One Core okay all right so I 00:16:52.199 --> 00:16:58.600 think so hit me with another workload oh 00:16:55.240 --> 00:16:59.480 dear uh uh uh Ste at home folding at 00:16:58.600 --> 00:17:04.439 home one those things so once again my 20 00:17:02.319 --> 00:17:08.799 core dual Zeon setup is going to absolutely mop the floor with it yeah 00:17:06.640 --> 00:17:12.120 yep that can be utilized with multiple yes stuff yeah and if it couldn't then a 00:17:10.839 --> 00:17:16.000 10 core definitely wouldn't make a difference so distributed computing 00:17:14.000 --> 00:17:21.000 would benefit from our overclocked 10 core processor but not enough to justify 00:17:18.160 --> 00:17:26.439 the price hit me again I'm I'm out I don't have anymore you you hit you I'm 00:17:23.120 --> 00:17:29.480 out too I can't figure out what this 00:17:26.439 --> 00:17:33.080 product is for especially at that 00:17:29.480 --> 00:17:35.080 price I think at $1,000 if they were 00:17:33.080 --> 00:17:40.559 giving us the eight core at the kind of 650 700 price point and if they were 00:17:37.880 --> 00:17:46.080 giving us maybe even you know I'd be okay with a six core but maybe with all 00:17:42.640 --> 00:17:48.120 the PCI Express Lanes or an eight core 00:17:46.080 --> 00:17:52.440 with the 28 PCI Express Lanes like if we were really getting a significant 00:17:49.440 --> 00:17:54.360 Improvement this time around then I 00:17:52.440 --> 00:17:58.440 would be pretty happy like like hang on like why do they make a 10 core CPU if 00:17:56.679 --> 00:18:04.000 it's not really useful for many things you just get more CPUs cheaper what's 00:18:01.240 --> 00:18:08.400 the point it is useful for things but it's like not at that price at $1,000 00:18:07.200 --> 00:18:14.640 well yeah that's the point if it's not useful at that price then it's not useful so basically what it looks like 00:18:11.840 --> 00:18:19.840 happened is somewhat in Intel went well CRA we can no not not that I mean no I 00:18:18.360 --> 00:18:25.919 don't think Intel does anything just because they can anymore I think someone 00:18:21.960 --> 00:18:28.400 at Intel went if we deliver an8 core 00:18:25.919 --> 00:18:33.640 overclockable processor so we're talking you know 4 GHz time 10 so 40 GHz of 00:18:31.799 --> 00:18:40.880 power yes I know it doesn't scale like that we are going to be seriously 00:18:37.120 --> 00:18:44.080 cannibalizing zeeon unless we hamstring 00:18:40.880 --> 00:18:47.720 it in some way or Jack the price and it 00:18:44.080 --> 00:18:49.559 already is hamstrung in a way so it is 00:18:47.720 --> 00:18:53.520 not capable of having two of them installed on a single motherboard MH 00:18:51.880 --> 00:19:00.520 that's something that's been true of the HDT processors since ah since skull 00:18:57.880 --> 00:19:04.559 Trail I guess yeah since skull Trail I don't know what skull Trail is um it was 00:19:02.360 --> 00:19:08.000 a very very expensive basically it was two zons but they branded them as 00:19:06.039 --> 00:19:11.400 extreme editions and then a specific motherboard that you could put them on 00:19:09.679 --> 00:19:16.200 wonderful two motherboards I think EVGA had one as well so other than skull 00:19:13.679 --> 00:19:21.559 Trail um we've never seen an extreme Edition 00:19:19.280 --> 00:19:26.640 processor an overclockable processor that can be installed with two uh can be 00:19:24.679 --> 00:19:28.799 installed in a dual socket board or at least have two of them installed in a 00:19:27.720 --> 00:19:32.720 dual socket board I've heard that that they'll work in a dual socket board if you only install one of them are there 00:19:31.120 --> 00:19:37.480 triple socket boards there are quad socket boards and eight socket boards oh 00:19:34.919 --> 00:19:41.799 wow yes does it go only up to eight uh I am not aware of a 16 socket board and 00:19:40.039 --> 00:19:47.960 the size of it would be a thing to be reckoned with um so make a fun video 00:19:45.280 --> 00:19:53.679 basically I think that's what happened they were worried that taking away ECC 00:19:50.960 --> 00:19:58.480 memory compatibility wouldn't be enough to prevent high-end workstation and 00:19:55.919 --> 00:20:02.120 entrylevel server customers from using the things at 00:19:59.840 --> 00:20:06.799 $1,000 and they couldn't figure out a way other than just throwing more cores 00:20:04.559 --> 00:20:13.000 on it to differentiate it from the last generation extreme Edition in a 00:20:09.320 --> 00:20:14.760 significant enough way that customers 00:20:13.000 --> 00:20:19.520 would kind of drool over it all over again all right all right but blah blah 00:20:16.280 --> 00:20:21.679 blah who is it for it is for people with 00:20:19.520 --> 00:20:26.000 more money than since okay which has been true of many extreme editions in 00:20:23.480 --> 00:20:29.679 the past normal consumers not like like big companies oh like who are they 00:20:27.520 --> 00:20:35.799 trying to sell it to yeah regular consumers like Gamers okay Gamers who 00:20:32.880 --> 00:20:39.799 want a little bit less performance watch lus Tech tips and then they'll know that 00:20:37.280 --> 00:20:42.880 it's pointless um no that's that's not the case at all in fact um I forget 00:20:41.720 --> 00:20:49.440 where I was reading this but I looked at a really interesting graph of the 00:20:45.520 --> 00:20:51.400 estimated uh sell through of Intel's HDT 00:20:49.440 --> 00:20:57.480 lineup over the last several Generations it might have been on wccf Tech and the 00:20:55.120 --> 00:21:01.559 um and the price so times the price and the most successful ful processors 00:20:59.559 --> 00:21:07.799 they've had in terms of Revenue have been the more hardcore ones 00:21:05.360 --> 00:21:12.120 um yeah the higher priced ones that increase the core count over the 00:21:09.799 --> 00:21:16.600 previous generation so it looks like Intel is trying to make that exact 00:21:14.960 --> 00:21:24.720 lightning strike here but I personally really doubt it 00:21:21.320 --> 00:21:30.279 and I sincerely hope not unless this is 00:21:24.720 --> 00:21:34.240 an omen huh yes an omen because the last 00:21:30.279 --> 00:21:37.919 time a processor manufacturer took kind 00:21:34.240 --> 00:21:41.720 of the existing pricing structure and 00:21:37.919 --> 00:21:44.080 and and blew it like way Sky High for no 00:21:41.720 --> 00:21:49.080 apparent reason other than to create the illusion of bragging rights amongst 00:21:46.520 --> 00:21:54.120 their most affluent customers the last time that happened it 00:21:51.480 --> 00:22:00.799 was AMD pulling this crap with the original FX it was actually Intel 00:21:57.360 --> 00:22:03.520 responding to am D when they created 00:22:00.799 --> 00:22:09.880 extreme Edition so AMD was the one who started this like thousand FX you can 00:22:06.679 --> 00:22:13.240 only get one if you spend $1,000 on it 00:22:09.880 --> 00:22:15.640 lineup so what I'm hoping is that now 00:22:13.240 --> 00:22:19.799 that that's happening again because what happened right after AMD did FX was 00:22:17.480 --> 00:22:25.679 Intel took the balance of power back they crushed the FX with like a $400 00:22:21.600 --> 00:22:28.039 chip what I'm hoping is that AMD Zen 00:22:25.679 --> 00:22:34.120 will be affordable and make this thing look really embarrassing for 00:22:30.799 --> 00:22:37.279 Intel Billy Hatcher 312 says shut up 00:22:34.120 --> 00:22:39.919 with pre-recorded crap so uh there you 00:22:37.279 --> 00:22:44.240 go Billy pre-recorded I'm proving that it's not pre-recorded by responding to 00:22:41.520 --> 00:22:49.760 his comments oh lovely yeah all right so there you have it 00:22:47.000 --> 00:22:55.000 that's my take on the 60 that was fasc 6950x did you almost fall asleep these 00:22:53.039 --> 00:23:00.039 chairs are comfortable these chairs are comfortable but lean all the way back as 00:22:58.000 --> 00:23:02.919 well yes you can do that please do not mess with these chairs someone messed 00:23:01.600 --> 00:23:07.520 with this one and it was like tilted funny yeah but handle's right here on 00:23:05.159 --> 00:23:11.360 the left well just it's right there just just don't cuz lonus will get upset yeah 00:23:09.679 --> 00:23:14.720 well it's like two seconds to fix all right so yeah but I couldn't figure out 00:23:13.080 --> 00:23:18.960 how to do it that was the problem I told you before and you would ignored me well 00:23:16.320 --> 00:23:25.159 I forgot mm all right let's go ahead and drop our next Topic in the chat here AMD 00:23:22.000 --> 00:23:27.320 Polaris and Zen reveals so let's talk 00:23:25.159 --> 00:23:32.480 Polaris first this is where I was at in maau down a little bit Yeah find you can 00:23:31.240 --> 00:23:36.600 just talk with twitch chat if you want you don't have to you know I might pay 00:23:34.320 --> 00:23:41.760 attention if you're bored I am bored um so let's talk about Polaris first so I 00:23:38.440 --> 00:23:45.559 was at the event in maau um here's what 00:23:41.760 --> 00:23:48.840 we know so far the goal is to bring real 00:23:45.559 --> 00:23:52.200 VR like like Rift Vive grade VR to the 00:23:48.840 --> 00:23:55.320 first 100 million customers 00:23:52.200 --> 00:23:57.679 um that's the $200 thingy I actually 00:23:55.320 --> 00:24:02.640 don't know how much of this is rumor and how much of this 00:23:59.279 --> 00:24:04.720 is uh not rumor right now so there's a 00:24:02.640 --> 00:24:08.600 ZDNet article that we've pulled the information from I don't know how much 00:24:06.000 --> 00:24:13.200 of it is is is embargoed and how much of it isn't because uh I know at least some 00:24:10.600 --> 00:24:17.520 of it is so according to the ZDNet article it's built on the 14 nanometer 00:24:15.960 --> 00:24:21.799 fin fet process from Global foundaries it will have greater than five teraflops 00:24:20.000 --> 00:24:26.399 of power oh this is apparently all from the announcement stream thanks Nick um 00:24:23.760 --> 00:24:32.240 256 GB per second of memory bandwidth four or 8 gigs of gddr5 00:24:28.919 --> 00:24:35.039 150 wat power dry draw starting at 199 00:24:32.240 --> 00:24:39.880 us although I would personally speculate that the 8 gig version will not be 00:24:37.000 --> 00:24:46.279 available for 1999 at least to start they are claiming up to a 2.8x 00:24:42.520 --> 00:24:50.080 performance per watt um improvement over 00:24:46.279 --> 00:24:52.600 the previous generation And to clarify 00:24:50.080 --> 00:25:02.320 even though they were talking a lot about VR VR VR VR with the rx480 00:24:59.080 --> 00:25:05.080 that is not the entire point of the card 00:25:02.320 --> 00:25:10.200 and I actually had quite a few people hold on a second I'm just 00:25:06.960 --> 00:25:10.200 creating a straw pole 00:25:10.520 --> 00:25:18.120 here for non VR let's go with yes 00:25:15.880 --> 00:25:23.880 no here we go sorry I've got my straw pull created here so I had quite a few 00:25:20.200 --> 00:25:25.640 people kind of go well ginus on this on 00:25:23.880 --> 00:25:30.360 the video that I uploaded where I was did an interview with Roger caduri say 00:25:28.000 --> 00:25:35.840 like I'm not interested in VR so what is this just a VR card and the answer is no 00:25:33.960 --> 00:25:40.440 of course not what they're talking about when they say it's really great for VR 00:25:38.240 --> 00:25:46.520 is they're saying that it is powerful enough for VR at an affordable price not 00:25:43.960 --> 00:25:50.240 that it only works for VR so I would expect this card in fact one of the 00:25:48.440 --> 00:25:54.720 demos they did the only demo I've seen of its performance so far one of the 00:25:52.279 --> 00:25:59.840 demos they did showed it up against two RX 480s up against a single GTX 1080 00:25:58.440 --> 00:26:06.360 ashes of the singularity holding up pretty darn well 00:26:02.200 --> 00:26:07.880 in a non VR 3D workload now does it have 00:26:06.360 --> 00:26:13.120 that minimum High frame rate that you were talking about so that is one of the 00:26:10.399 --> 00:26:19.960 things that they would be tackling in a sort of VR optimized design helping it 00:26:16.080 --> 00:26:21.760 not dip below that minimum VR frame rate 00:26:19.960 --> 00:26:26.320 of 90 frames per second you can't have that it's crazy now with that said 00:26:23.720 --> 00:26:33.360 controlling dips is also enormously beneficial for flat 3D gaming so it's 00:26:30.159 --> 00:26:36.120 not a problem that they've optimized the 00:26:33.360 --> 00:26:38.760 architecture to avoid dips in frame rate that wouldn't hurt anybody everyone 00:26:37.559 --> 00:26:42.559 should be happy about that just the reason it's more important for VR is 00:26:40.799 --> 00:26:45.880 that it doesn't make you feel sick when you're looking at a panel in front of 00:26:43.880 --> 00:26:53.480 you whereas when you're in a virtual reality headset it most assuredly does 00:26:50.120 --> 00:26:55.120 yes so this is interesting we have a 00:26:53.480 --> 00:27:01.320 whopping 53% of you and if we factor out the 00:26:57.600 --> 00:27:04.600 turnup vote it becomes even more like 00:27:01.320 --> 00:27:06.640 70% of you are interested in the 00:27:04.600 --> 00:27:10.279 rx480 okay we haven't we haven't actually done one of these in a while 00:27:08.159 --> 00:27:15.960 but we are going to have to do a Twitter Blitz here I want to hear from you guys 00:27:12.120 --> 00:27:20.320 tweet me at linch on Twitter yeah are 00:27:15.960 --> 00:27:22.039 you yeah planning to buy an rx480 sight 00:27:20.320 --> 00:27:26.159 unseen you haven't even seen the performance yet do we not have the specs 00:27:23.919 --> 00:27:29.480 do we not know we have specs but that doesn't necessarily tell us the whole 00:27:28.200 --> 00:27:34.480 story and we don't even have all the specs 36 compute units uh and then we 00:27:32.480 --> 00:27:37.919 have memory bandwidth and we have five ter like we know approximately how it's 00:27:35.960 --> 00:27:44.519 going to perform but that is not the whole story how powerful is the AMD hype 00:27:41.440 --> 00:27:47.399 train here guys hit me up and let me 00:27:44.519 --> 00:27:52.880 know in the Twitter Blitz you know are you planning to buy one and it doesn't 00:27:49.840 --> 00:27:54.279 necessarily have to be for you tell me 00:27:52.880 --> 00:27:59.080 what you're planning to buy it for like are you planning to buy one for a 00:27:56.279 --> 00:28:03.120 friend's computer or for a Rel computer or something along those lines I do want 00:28:00.840 --> 00:28:08.200 to hear from you guys let's go ahead and chat Zen very briefly here while I wait 00:28:05.519 --> 00:28:13.720 for some results to roll in there uh let me just go uh actually I 00:28:11.440 --> 00:28:17.240 think this article is the ZD net one that I was accidentally referring to 00:28:15.399 --> 00:28:21.840 before let's go ahead and pop that in there all 00:28:19.200 --> 00:28:27.840 right so I've heard it speculated you know six ways from 00:28:25.080 --> 00:28:32.159 Sunday that Zen will be released you know 00:28:29.159 --> 00:28:33.600 this year or early next year or early 00:28:32.159 --> 00:28:39.200 this year I mean there has been rumors flying about Zen this is AMD's upcoming 00:28:36.559 --> 00:28:46.600 Flagship CPU architecture it's going to be awesome or not well according to you 00:28:43.279 --> 00:28:49.159 know AMD Fanboys and AMD employees yes 00:28:46.600 --> 00:28:52.760 but they've both let me down a number of times in the past so I'm personally 00:28:50.840 --> 00:28:55.600 withholding any judgment until I actually am holding one and putting it 00:28:54.159 --> 00:29:04.840 into a motherboard but um it looks like they may actually 00:29:00.799 --> 00:29:08.519 be coming closer so here's the update 00:29:04.840 --> 00:29:13.679 Lisa Sue held a Zen processor that she 00:29:08.519 --> 00:29:17.320 claimed is working in her hand on 00:29:13.679 --> 00:29:19.159 stage they are claiming 40% higher IPC 00:29:17.320 --> 00:29:23.200 that's instructions per clock versus the last generation although we don't know 00:29:20.679 --> 00:29:29.320 anything about the final clock speed what was shown was eight cores 16 00:29:27.480 --> 00:29:34.159 threads so we should have some kind of hyperthreading equivalent on the AMD 00:29:31.360 --> 00:29:38.039 side now it's going to be using a finfet process which is not any kind of a 00:29:35.720 --> 00:29:42.720 surprise there will be an am4 desktop platform to go with it which oh man AMD 00:29:40.640 --> 00:29:49.240 is sorely in need of a desktop platform up totally I mean did you know no that 00:29:46.279 --> 00:29:59.039 AMD's Flagship desktop processor the 9590 FX whatever it is um still runs PCI 00:29:54.159 --> 00:30:01.399 Express 2.0 that sounds old and DDR3 oh 00:29:59.039 --> 00:30:05.799 bz Express 2.0 is older than DDR3 but that's okay I like having you here for 00:30:03.120 --> 00:30:10.880 these reactions I enjoy that um because even though I had actually 00:30:09.320 --> 00:30:15.840 this was kind of a back room discussion so I'm not going to say which motherboard manufacturer said it but one 00:30:14.240 --> 00:30:20.960 motherboard manufacturer had actually done the work of enabling PCI Express 00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:26.000 3.0 they had motherboards that they'd like had it working on and then for 00:30:23.679 --> 00:30:29.960 AMD's chip yeah and there was there was kind of no official support or there 00:30:30.760 --> 00:30:37.840 that update is just not coming oh so they tried it got it kind of working so 00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:41.600 so like it it got as bad as like motherboard makers were trying to do the 00:30:39.320 --> 00:30:45.919 work for them yeah and nothing ever happened feel like that with Premiere 00:30:43.760 --> 00:30:52.159 well I'm doing the work for Adobe so there's no date for Zen but 00:30:49.640 --> 00:30:57.159 what was said is that it's alive it's on track and they are extraordinarily 00:30:55.240 --> 00:31:03.039 excited about what Zen will bring to the marketplace due date on this or they 00:30:59.639 --> 00:31:04.960 just so it could be Vapor Weare I would 00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:11.600 say I would say I'll be surprised if it's not Q4 this year or more much more 00:31:08.200 --> 00:31:13.679 likely q1 Q2 next year Q4 means the last 00:31:11.600 --> 00:31:17.919 four months kids I'm going to let you think about 00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:24.559 that for a second last three months yeah well you know four time 3 is 12 00:31:21.840 --> 00:31:29.000 divides in there somehow thank you Teran three all right let's go ahead and jump 00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:33.600 on to that uh that Twitter Blitz over there have a look at what you guys are 00:31:30.840 --> 00:31:38.960 uh have a look at what you guys are oh dang it I don't know why it does this 00:31:35.480 --> 00:31:39.760 give me my give me my window region come 00:31:38.960 --> 00:31:45.919 on baby come on baby what are you talking about you can do this what are you doing 00:31:44.080 --> 00:31:48.760 oh I'm just waiting for the uh the dialogue to pop up so that I can go 00:31:47.480 --> 00:31:55.519 ahead and capture you know what it's okay I can just start reading some of these um Stephen Workman says I'm saving 00:31:53.240 --> 00:32:00.279 up for my first proper gaming PC and I'm really interested in the 480 the frames 00:31:57.559 --> 00:32:05.600 per Canadian peso look pretty good that's that's a serious Factor like this 00:32:02.480 --> 00:32:08.240 will be a serious gaming card available 00:32:05.600 --> 00:32:12.360 at a price that people outside of the United States of America might actually 00:32:10.639 --> 00:32:15.880 be able to afford but like it is a serious gaming card right like we know 00:32:14.000 --> 00:32:20.200 the specs we know that it will be good we know that it will be fluff good we 00:32:17.880 --> 00:32:24.039 just don't know how good uhhuh we know the minimum goodness and there are other 00:32:22.320 --> 00:32:29.600 things that we don't know for example like we don't know if it's going to be plagued by driver issues out of the gate 00:32:27.399 --> 00:32:33.799 oh boy that'll be fun like we have we have no way of predicting something like 00:32:31.840 --> 00:32:42.000 that um here we go eore says yes rx480 for my 00:32:38.279 --> 00:32:46.679 own rig sold my 7970 Crossfire and will 00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:48.600 buy it there you go uh Bob Ross I'm 00:32:46.679 --> 00:32:51.960 considering it for a friend's thousand gaming rig Brian says I'm waiting for 00:32:50.919 --> 00:32:59.519 GTX 1050 unless someone puts a fraking back 00:32:55.080 --> 00:33:03.320 plate on the RX um I would say Brian I 00:32:59.519 --> 00:33:08.240 probably would not I probably would not 00:33:03.320 --> 00:33:10.679 make my decision about a GPU based on 00:33:08.240 --> 00:33:16.120 whether or not it has a back plate fun fact uh back plates in many cases you'll 00:33:13.960 --> 00:33:20.159 see cutouts on them for certain components to stick up through them 00:33:18.159 --> 00:33:23.840 because back plates in many cases actually cause components on the back of 00:33:21.639 --> 00:33:26.799 the card to run hotter because there's a big thing of metal in the way because 00:33:25.480 --> 00:33:30.799 there's a big thing of metal in the way that makes sense unless the manufacturer 00:33:28.559 --> 00:33:36.399 is investing in a lot of thermal interface material as well as the uh the 00:33:34.799 --> 00:33:40.559 Precision manufacturing of the back plate that will allow it to rest evenly 00:33:37.840 --> 00:33:45.840 on all of those components um they actually are a not that beneficial and B 00:33:43.600 --> 00:33:50.279 can actually reduce compatibility with other cards being in 00:33:47.960 --> 00:33:55.399 your system at the same time because the spec for the spacing of a PCI slot does 00:33:52.960 --> 00:34:00.720 not account for anything above the PCB on the back of the card so there's a you 00:33:58.600 --> 00:34:04.960 put the thing on top of my head fun fact for you no no it's not actually there oh 00:34:02.600 --> 00:34:13.440 yeah no it is it's on the stream see oh really yeah it's right there 00:34:07.480 --> 00:34:17.000 oh uh oops you captured your own oh okay 00:34:13.440 --> 00:34:18.599 well headless tan over here gosh darn 00:34:17.000 --> 00:34:22.720 it um whatever I give up on that I'm just 00:34:20.960 --> 00:34:27.800 going to read them to you guys uh Nitro blast says you have to get 00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:32.480 the timing just right to get it on on the W show 00:34:29.720 --> 00:34:38.800 lol yes that is true and it is pretty tough uh Daniel says I I could buy it 00:34:35.399 --> 00:34:42.599 yet holy cow compared to even to the 00:34:38.800 --> 00:34:45.320 straw pole there's a lot of you guys 00:34:42.599 --> 00:34:50.000 saying yeah let's go for it see I'm way more cautious than this I don't like to 00:34:47.599 --> 00:34:54.200 buy anything unless it's been out for a while everything about it is known 00:34:52.599 --> 00:34:57.880 people have been using it for a while they know that it's good I don't like to 00:34:56.280 --> 00:35:02.320 be on The Cutting Edge for stuff like this huh I think y'all y'all are crazy I 00:35:00.920 --> 00:35:09.040 mean I personally think it's a little early too I would be waiting for GTX 00:35:05.920 --> 00:35:10.720 1060 I just want to see how that card 00:35:09.040 --> 00:35:16.119 plays out because what you guys need to remember is that even though AMD is 00:35:14.119 --> 00:35:22.440 shouting from the rooftops about how amazing RX 460 to 480 are going to be 00:35:20.440 --> 00:35:28.920 and how they're going to be like killer performance per watt per dollar and all 00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:32.920 that stuff it's not like this is AMD's 00:35:28.920 --> 00:35:35.200 Flagship GTX 1080 1070 competing chip 00:35:32.920 --> 00:35:42.839 size that's not what we're looking at here this is more of a mainstream size 00:35:38.720 --> 00:35:45.240 die so NVIDIA's cards NVIDIA's chips 00:35:42.839 --> 00:35:49.520 were never intended to compete with these Polaris chips like they sit above 00:35:47.359 --> 00:35:55.240 and below each other like this so for a little while here until NVIDIA fills out 00:35:52.319 --> 00:35:59.720 their lower-end 14 nmet cards and AMD fills out their higher end ones whether 00:35:57.480 --> 00:36:03.560 you you buy NVIDIA or AMD could basically come down to how much money 00:36:01.040 --> 00:36:09.119 you have to spend if you're looking at that like a a value gaming rig you may 00:36:06.760 --> 00:36:13.359 be forced to buy AMD because NVIDIA's last generation 28 nanometer Maxwell 00:36:11.319 --> 00:36:17.640 chips are probably going to make no sense compared to Polaris but if you 00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:21.839 want a high-end rig I mean unless you want to just start like stacking RX 480s 00:36:20.119 --> 00:36:25.200 into your system which is never a good strategy by the way adding up more cards 00:36:23.720 --> 00:36:30.960 you're going to be forced to buy NVIDIA because AMD won't have anything even 00:36:27.000 --> 00:36:33.200 close to competing with it yeah what he 00:36:30.960 --> 00:36:36.560 said or you could just lag behind by like two years and everything will be 00:36:34.480 --> 00:36:41.119 fine all right why don't we move why don't we move on to a topic that tan 00:36:38.640 --> 00:36:47.800 Taran will like better or 20 years that's not true so this is um I mean 00:36:46.119 --> 00:36:54.760 this is one of those things where it's like in your 101 philosop from from like 00:36:50.760 --> 00:36:58.640 a a philosophy 101 type of standpoint 00:36:54.760 --> 00:37:02.200 yes you know you could be like who man I 00:36:58.640 --> 00:37:05.319 have opinions on this yeah man um so 00:37:02.200 --> 00:37:07.440 Elon Musk yeah the chance we are not 00:37:05.319 --> 00:37:13.920 living in a computer simulation is one in billions where did 00:37:10.920 --> 00:37:16.800 he get that number from he figures if we 00:37:13.920 --> 00:37:22.839 aren't stuck in a matrix style world then the world is about to end really 00:37:21.040 --> 00:37:28.079 how now how does he furthermore figure that I so disagree with this by the way 00:37:25.960 --> 00:37:31.000 I have lots of reasons why don't you go first and then I'll go through and then 00:37:29.480 --> 00:37:35.480 I'll go through our notes on Mr mus there's a concept in philosophy known as 00:37:33.400 --> 00:37:41.599 falsifiability wait or is that science whatever it's a concept for something to 00:37:38.560 --> 00:37:44.000 be scientific it needs to be falsifiable 00:37:41.599 --> 00:37:48.640 so you could say that there's like there's the example of of the Russell's 00:37:45.720 --> 00:37:53.400 teapot floating out between Mars and and uh Earth it could be there but we don't 00:37:50.599 --> 00:37:58.640 know there more information prove a what teapot just a teapot okay no no okay I'm 00:37:56.880 --> 00:38:04.160 not explaining very well no you're not no no no okay let's start over with cism 00:38:01.240 --> 00:38:09.760 which is the idea that my mind is the only one that I know for sure exists I 00:38:06.880 --> 00:38:13.359 think therefore I am right famous thing in 00:38:10.920 --> 00:38:18.200 philosophy the only thing why is my phone making noise the only thing that 00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:21.160 you can prove to yourself absolutely 00:38:18.200 --> 00:38:26.079 100% is that you exist everything Beyond there you have to take at least some 00:38:22.520 --> 00:38:28.560 Measure of Faith to accept so as long as 00:38:26.079 --> 00:38:33.760 your standards of proof are not so incredibly uh hardcore that you don't 00:38:31.280 --> 00:38:38.440 believe that the world exists by itself you can pretty much accept that the 00:38:35.000 --> 00:38:40.520 world is real okay so the problem with 00:38:38.440 --> 00:38:46.000 saying that we're in The Matrix or computer simulation or whatever is that 00:38:42.839 --> 00:38:48.760 it's not falsifiable there's no possible 00:38:46.000 --> 00:38:51.760 way to prove that there's no way to prove it and there's no way more 00:38:50.119 --> 00:38:55.599 importantly there's no way to disprove it and that's why you can't believe this 00:38:54.440 --> 00:38:59.839 and that's why you can't make any meaningful statement upon how true it is 00:38:57.560 --> 00:39:03.839 it's nice to be able to speculate but to put a number on it like one out of a 00:39:01.359 --> 00:39:09.079 million or 10 million or whatever he said that's ridiculous so to be clear it 00:39:06.920 --> 00:39:14.640 is a bit of a sensationalist headline but here's sort of the here's sort of 00:39:11.319 --> 00:39:16.920 the the the Spiel the strongest argument 00:39:14.640 --> 00:39:21.960 for us probably being in a simulation I think is the following he told the uh 00:39:19.280 --> 00:39:30.160 code conference in California 40 years ago we had pong two rectangles and a DOT 00:39:26.560 --> 00:39:31.560 well I'm sold okay that's where we were 00:39:30.160 --> 00:39:34.800 now 40 years later we have photorealistic 3D simulations with 00:39:33.560 --> 00:39:40.400 millions of people playing simultaneously and it's getting better every year soon we'll have virtual 00:39:38.040 --> 00:39:44.800 reality we'll have augmented reality so he said that if the speed of these 00:39:42.280 --> 00:39:49.520 advancements dropped by a thousand we would still be moving forward at an 00:39:47.160 --> 00:39:55.680 intense speed relative to the age of life in general so says probably to the 00:39:53.880 --> 00:40:00.520 question of whether we are all in a simulated game that we should be hopeful 00:39:58.480 --> 00:40:03.880 we're in a simulation because otherwise if civilization stops advancing then 00:40:02.160 --> 00:40:08.200 that may be due to some kind of calamitous event that stops civilization 00:40:06.359 --> 00:40:13.920 so I guess the argument is that at the rate that we are improving 00:40:11.480 --> 00:40:19.680 technologically it shouldn't be a surprise that we can technologically 00:40:16.480 --> 00:40:23.200 improve enough to have a simulation of 00:40:19.680 --> 00:40:24.760 us or oh well I mean like it there's 00:40:23.200 --> 00:40:28.640 there's an interesting story about this where they come up with a computer that 00:40:26.240 --> 00:40:34.280 can simulate no they come up with a computer with infinite power right it 00:40:31.760 --> 00:40:38.640 can it has infinite CPU Cycles yeah and so then they decide oh let's simulate 00:40:36.319 --> 00:40:42.800 the universe and they do that and then they figure out oh crap we're in our own 00:40:40.680 --> 00:40:46.480 simulation because it goes infinitely deep so the chance that you would be on 00:40:44.560 --> 00:40:49.520 one of those simulation levels because right the computer is being simulated 00:40:47.960 --> 00:40:53.240 inside of the computer because it's infinite so the chance that you would be 00:40:51.560 --> 00:40:56.720 one of those would you know is is pretty much guaranteed so that seems like 00:40:55.280 --> 00:41:00.839 basically the conversation we're having the trouble is you cannot make a 00:40:58.680 --> 00:41:04.079 computer that can simulate the universe without it being larger than the 00:41:02.240 --> 00:41:09.599 universe because it would have to be in the universe right no you could have a 00:41:07.200 --> 00:41:12.680 data set that is larger than the physical computer 00:41:12.800 --> 00:41:19.280 itself I don't know the the the point is 00:41:16.760 --> 00:41:24.400 I mean the universe is is quite quite a huge thing and you know what I think the 00:41:21.440 --> 00:41:30.359 point is is atoms you count it's like trillion quintilian billions 00:41:28.040 --> 00:41:33.359 Gillian I think I'm going to need a I think I'm going to need a second all 00:41:31.720 --> 00:41:36.480 right let's go ahead and do a rapid fire topic here this one's uh this one's 00:41:35.040 --> 00:41:40.760 pretty light we don't have to think much about it original article here is from 00:41:39.000 --> 00:41:48.480 the verge.com let's go ahead and pull this baby up ducky releases a the ducky 00:41:45.760 --> 00:41:56.839 pocket is a mechanical keyboard calculator with Cherry MX switches oh 00:41:51.160 --> 00:41:58.599 great huh huh how awesome is that can I 00:41:56.839 --> 00:42:02.119 be the voice voice of negativity over here you can be the voice of negativity 00:42:00.040 --> 00:42:06.160 but I'll hate you for it what's cool about mechanical 00:42:03.640 --> 00:42:10.079 keyboards and I'm I used to not be so sold on them and now I understand yeah 00:42:08.319 --> 00:42:14.200 why they're cool is that they're comfortable to type on yeah uh they're 00:42:12.520 --> 00:42:18.000 nice to type I don't know they're just they're they're you know they're good to 00:42:16.119 --> 00:42:23.040 type on but when you're typing you're doing a lot of keystrokes quite quickly 00:42:21.119 --> 00:42:28.400 and you need to do so accurately uhhuh with a calculator a calculator not so 00:42:26.280 --> 00:42:32.000 much mhm or or with something like like we have these little Tech Keys keyboards 00:42:29.920 --> 00:42:36.960 that have like three keys on them those don't need to be mechanical we don't 00:42:34.200 --> 00:42:40.440 need fancy key switches we just need buttons it doesn't matter I'm going to 00:42:38.520 --> 00:42:44.960 counter that argument some people touch type on a number pad okay for people who 00:42:43.000 --> 00:42:47.680 do a lot of calculations I can see that being cool well why would anyone who 00:42:46.319 --> 00:42:53.119 doesn't do a lot of calculations buy a calculator they have one built into their phone that's why I don't have a 00:42:50.960 --> 00:42:57.720 calculator right it's part of my phone so if you were to buy a calculator 00:42:55.640 --> 00:43:03.160 wouldn't you by definition 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kind of generic paint Well 00:47:20.359 --> 00:47:26.359 yeah if it's like black trim paint or something I would keep it but uh if it's 00:47:24.839 --> 00:47:32.720 something that I don't think I can reuse then I would definitely want to get rid of that so if you have any questions 00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:36.359 they have support staff that'll help you but the whole idea behind fresh books is 00:47:34.880 --> 00:47:40.480 that it's designed for people who are not necessarily numbers people and 00:47:38.880 --> 00:47:46.200 accounting experts so head over to freshbooks.com for a free trial and 00:47:43.839 --> 00:47:50.160 enter when in the how did You Hear About Us section by the way they just got a 00:47:48.359 --> 00:47:54.480 Mobile card reader so you can actually uh charge people by credit card as well 00:47:51.960 --> 00:47:59.240 oh that's actually very convenient linda.com why don't I let you do the 00:47:56.079 --> 00:48:02.440 linda.com you love linda.com well I do 00:47:59.240 --> 00:48:03.960 um actually I just um they they do it's 00:48:02.440 --> 00:48:09.040 not just software training right it's like job stuff training basically 00:48:07.680 --> 00:48:15.599 because don't tell me tell them no no I'm I'm asking you because there there's a lot more to them than I even realized 00:48:12.480 --> 00:48:18.520 at first because like I use linda.com uh 00:48:15.599 --> 00:48:22.400 they they do video tutorials on lots of stuff they have uh lots of software 00:48:20.400 --> 00:48:26.400 training uh I learned some stuff from Excel about Excel from them I learned a 00:48:24.440 --> 00:48:31.960 lot of Photoshop stuff some premier stuff after effect stuff um the video 00:48:29.920 --> 00:48:36.720 tutorials that they do are like really good because they go through everything 00:48:34.839 --> 00:48:40.400 like from the ground up and they explain it you can see it happening on screen 00:48:38.520 --> 00:48:45.680 and it's not just horrible to follow like so many tutorials are um it's just 00:48:43.599 --> 00:48:50.480 it's great stuff and they've also got like photography uh animation like you 00:48:48.240 --> 00:48:54.240 can just scroll through uh just go to linda.com and just scroll through all 00:48:52.119 --> 00:49:00.400 the stuff that they offer to get an idea of what they have so stuff like office 00:48:57.000 --> 00:49:03.280 applications Photoshop Adobe Premiere 00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:06.839 photography uh there's I wasn't listening lots of different stuff it's 00:49:05.280 --> 00:49:11.799 used by millions worldwide they're adding new courses all the time they're 00:49:09.040 --> 00:49:16.200 taught by industry experts um that's important because like they'll tell you 00:49:13.960 --> 00:49:19.599 like oh this feature is dumb don't use it or well not in those words well it 00:49:17.799 --> 00:49:24.359 depends on the guy like de is pretty funny he does the Photoshop ones he will 00:49:21.720 --> 00:49:28.920 tell you what to do so you can use it on your iPhone on your Android device you 00:49:26.319 --> 00:49:33.319 can actually download the videos you can skim along through transcripts of the 00:49:30.680 --> 00:49:37.079 courses find the part that's interesting uh you can share your learning plan with 00:49:35.319 --> 00:49:41.559 someone else if you want to sort of go through the same curriculum together and 00:49:38.760 --> 00:49:47.760 pl started only 25 bucks a month so check it over over at 00:49:43.559 --> 00:49:49.839 linda.com wow yeah all right so we've 00:49:47.760 --> 00:49:55.400 been adding some more I had a class where literally the whole class was like 00:49:53.240 --> 00:49:59.000 hey just use Linda and I was like why did I pay for this class 00:49:57.240 --> 00:50:02.319 if they're just also making me pay for Linda I should have just done Linda in 00:50:00.960 --> 00:50:06.680 the first place been a lot cheaper than that class probably and so now I just 00:50:04.720 --> 00:50:12.160 use Linda all right so the next article here 00:50:09.440 --> 00:50:17.880 is from techraptor domnet here you go oh oops that was the 00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:22.119 wrong one that is uh that is a controversial looking thumbnail image 00:50:20.119 --> 00:50:28.000 that we got going on there 26 controversial games pulled from Steam in 00:50:24.559 --> 00:50:31.760 a German Crackdown so the removed games 00:50:28.000 --> 00:50:35.119 include karmageddon Max pack that is old 00:50:31.760 --> 00:50:39.079 game uh painkiller Black Edition it's 00:50:35.119 --> 00:50:42.200 like okay postal postal two postal three 00:50:39.079 --> 00:50:45.400 Rune Classic Time shift Uber 00:50:42.200 --> 00:50:48.040 Soldier uh basically some some hyper 00:50:45.400 --> 00:50:53.559 violent types of titles um and this is an attempt to remove media which may be 00:50:50.680 --> 00:50:57.200 harmful to Germany's younger audience oh dear so the game release is 00:50:55.920 --> 00:51:03.000 actually span an era of 20 years I was going to say 00:51:00.200 --> 00:51:08.200 those I those are old some of those and it appears to be ACC done accordingly to 00:51:05.720 --> 00:51:14.680 to the titles appearing on the list of media harmful to young people also known 00:51:10.440 --> 00:51:17.440 as the index so it includes Games music 00:51:14.680 --> 00:51:23.079 books and movies and when a title is placed on this list it is placed in one 00:51:19.599 --> 00:51:25.640 of two categories list a books sorry it 00:51:23.079 --> 00:51:30.480 includes books they're banning books now so list a is unable to receive a US 00:51:28.760 --> 00:51:36.480 rating so that's the German equivalent of ESRB so this prevents an official 00:51:33.440 --> 00:51:38.359 German release um and buyers of foreign 00:51:36.480 --> 00:51:43.920 versions must not make the game's content accessible to miners in any way 00:51:40.640 --> 00:51:45.359 and list B cannot be sold at all within 00:51:43.920 --> 00:51:50.359 Germany so valve hasn't issued an official statement but some of it I get 00:51:47.680 --> 00:51:57.079 so some of these contain um like Nazi imagery oh which is Hardcore band in 00:51:54.079 --> 00:51:59.200 Germany man oh yeah that 00:51:57.079 --> 00:52:05.520 that is definitely definitely not a thing but um some of this stuff does not 00:52:03.799 --> 00:52:08.880 appear to have been banned for that particular reason well like here's the 00:52:07.680 --> 00:52:15.839 thing I know that there's a lot of discussions about do violent video games 00:52:12.119 --> 00:52:17.160 make kids violence do we know the answer 00:52:15.839 --> 00:52:20.680 we don't know the answer some people think they know the answer but did they 00:52:19.040 --> 00:52:24.440 have has there been research done like because if it legitimately you know 00:52:22.640 --> 00:52:29.559 causes kids to be more violent then that's a concern for sure but like do we 00:52:27.520 --> 00:52:33.319 know there's research done but none of it's conclusive and anyone who thinks 00:52:31.160 --> 00:52:37.960 that any of it is conclusive has an agenda and is trying to sort of answer 00:52:36.200 --> 00:52:41.440 it one way or the other before they even go in and look at it there's nothing 00:52:39.640 --> 00:52:46.599 conclusive I can I find that so hard to believe I can personally say that I was 00:52:44.640 --> 00:52:50.720 not made violent by violent video games me neither probably but yeah me neither 00:52:49.359 --> 00:52:54.720 probably I don't know you don't strike me as particular violent I'm not violent 00:52:52.680 --> 00:53:00.079 not like your old roommate anyway oh oh yeah I had a I had a guy's roommate who 00:52:57.599 --> 00:53:05.280 ended up killing a few people it's that's a story for another time I'm 00:53:02.520 --> 00:53:11.359 surprised he didn't kill you I got I pieced out of there real quick yeah he 00:53:07.839 --> 00:53:14.599 would have you think so yes he was 00:53:11.359 --> 00:53:16.160 incredibly unstable very violent person 00:53:14.599 --> 00:53:20.559 and uh play a lot of video games he played a lot of sports interesting 00:53:18.200 --> 00:53:25.799 hashtag blam sports do Sports make kids violent well you know 00:53:23.280 --> 00:53:28.960 maybe cuz like like Luke was talking to me about what was it lacrosse where he 00:53:27.319 --> 00:53:33.000 was playing where every time he'd go out he would he would just like hit this one 00:53:31.160 --> 00:53:36.520 guy that he didn't like you remember that no he never told me that part of 00:53:35.000 --> 00:53:40.920 Lacrosse I wouldn't have played lacrosse with him if I know that's what I was saying but this guy was a bit bigger 00:53:39.760 --> 00:53:49.319 than Luke and he always thought he could take him and then Luke always laid the beat down so yeah Sports you know also a 00:53:47.240 --> 00:53:53.040 concern yeah so we should ban Sports we should ban 00:53:50.520 --> 00:53:57.200 Sports uh speaking of speaking of banning we should ban large ssds because 00:53:55.920 --> 00:54:03.160 this looks freaking awesome so the original article 00:54:01.200 --> 00:54:08.960 here is from news. samsung.com Samsung has begun 00:54:05.319 --> 00:54:13.720 mass-producing the industry's first 512 00:54:08.960 --> 00:54:15.799 gig nvma SSD in a single BGA package 00:54:13.720 --> 00:54:21.000 this is to give more flexibility in Computing device design for those of us 00:54:17.920 --> 00:54:24.119 who don't know what a BGA package is 00:54:21.000 --> 00:54:26.680 basically you know uh what the single 00:54:24.119 --> 00:54:29.680 chip on a stick of RAM looks like just the one little black CH the black thingy 00:54:28.520 --> 00:54:34.599 that's kind of square yeah you know how there's a bunch of them yeah it's all 00:54:32.119 --> 00:54:40.040 one one of those is a BGA package the picture okay yeah so this right here 00:54:36.799 --> 00:54:44.400 that you guys are looking at that is a 00:54:40.040 --> 00:54:47.440 512 gig SSD that's half a terabyte 00:54:44.400 --> 00:54:49.920 unfreaking real so we're at the point 00:54:47.440 --> 00:54:56.000 now where especially guys like Samsung the only reason we don't have you know 00:54:52.559 --> 00:54:57.799 20 terab or 50 terab ssds is that the 00:54:56.000 --> 00:55:02.040 cost of the controller and the cost of all those chips would simply be too high 00:55:00.400 --> 00:55:06.160 for any customer to afford it those are like smaller than a dime right yeah I'd 00:55:04.760 --> 00:55:11.920 say they're about the size of a dime yeah so what that means is in a new 00:55:08.680 --> 00:55:15.520 tablet or like a twoin one you could 00:55:11.920 --> 00:55:17.319 have a full-fledged NVMe SSD albeit not 00:55:15.520 --> 00:55:24.480 with the same power as something like a 950 Pro but a full-fledged NVM 00:55:21.200 --> 00:55:26.039 SSD in an unheard of form factor like we 00:55:24.480 --> 00:55:33.440 don't even have to have saying now the price a card on it uh I do not know 00:55:29.880 --> 00:55:36.200 pricing at this time all we have right 00:55:33.440 --> 00:55:39.839 now is specs so they're saying it's designed for use in Next Generation PCS 00:55:38.400 --> 00:55:44.359 and ultra slim notebooks um extremely compact package 00:55:42.319 --> 00:55:49.680 that contains all essential SSD components including the Nan flash 00:55:47.000 --> 00:55:56.760 memory the dam and the controller uh it triples the performance 00:55:52.079 --> 00:55:58.200 of a typical SATA SSD says uh Jung B 00:55:56.760 --> 00:56:05.119 the senior vice president of memory product planning and application engineering team which is freaking 00:56:02.440 --> 00:56:12.520 unbelievable it's got 15 of Samsung's 48 layer 256 GB vand flash chips uh 12 nanm 00:56:09.799 --> 00:56:15.920 4 gig lpddr4 mobile D RAM chip and a high performance Samsung controller it 00:56:13.839 --> 00:56:21.680 weighs only about 1 gram sequential read and write speeds of 00:56:18.440 --> 00:56:23.440 1.5 gigabytes per second and 900 00:56:21.680 --> 00:56:28.319 megabytes per second when turbo Rite technology is used 00:56:26.440 --> 00:56:32.720 pretty freaking unbelievable let's go ahead and start 00:56:30.119 --> 00:56:38.520 doing some rapid fire topics Taran would you use a water cooled laptop no no 00:56:37.000 --> 00:56:42.640 based on what I've seen with lonus who's supposed to know what he's doing and 00:56:40.079 --> 00:56:47.359 likes water cooling and still stuff gets corroded and horrible no well that 00:56:45.240 --> 00:56:51.640 wasn't me at my best in all fairness to water cooling now now hang on though 00:56:49.480 --> 00:56:55.280 because I've seen the insides of some of these laptops and they have like the 00:56:53.520 --> 00:56:59.400 little the little tube thingies what are those called he heat pipes heat pipes 00:56:57.319 --> 00:57:03.119 yes are do those have a liquid in them okay so now you're opening up a can of 00:57:01.200 --> 00:57:07.760 worm kind of water cooled already and it's contained the point is it needs to 00:57:05.880 --> 00:57:16.079 be contained you're opening up a can of worms because some phone manufacturers 00:57:11.480 --> 00:57:18.160 uh including Sony and uh uh what's their 00:57:16.079 --> 00:57:22.319 face someone else is doing it some phone manufacturers are coming out and saying 00:57:19.760 --> 00:57:28.280 they have water cooled phones because their phone contains a heat pipe oh 00:57:24.440 --> 00:57:33.839 right but that is not strictly speaking 00:57:28.280 --> 00:57:36.599 true a heat pipe contains a fluid yes 00:57:33.839 --> 00:57:40.880 and when it's cold in one part of the heat pipe it will be liquid so they 00:57:39.400 --> 00:57:47.720 actually I believe they lower the pressure inside them so that theorization point of of the liquid 00:57:44.799 --> 00:57:52.599 actually gets lower anyway so the idea is that at the at a cold point in the 00:57:50.760 --> 00:57:57.680 heat pipe uh that would be where your heat sink is it will turn to liquid and 00:57:55.039 --> 00:58:04.079 Wick back to the heat Source where it will evaporate and flow so in a sense 00:58:01.119 --> 00:58:09.599 yes liquid is moving inside the heat pipe but it is it will not achieve 00:58:06.839 --> 00:58:15.000 nearly the efficiency of a full-on liquid Loop because it's a loop because 00:58:12.520 --> 00:58:20.880 is that the difference a loop with a pump um well it's it's to do with it's 00:58:17.960 --> 00:58:28.400 to do with conduction so having more volume of water making contact with more 00:58:24.480 --> 00:58:31.039 surface area of copper Heat s is better 00:58:28.400 --> 00:58:38.520 having the water move at high speed is better um having again having more water 00:58:34.319 --> 00:58:41.160 is better for um absorbing little spikes 00:58:38.520 --> 00:58:45.480 in thermal output because the water itself will take quite a bit of time to 00:58:42.920 --> 00:58:48.319 heat up even if you don't have anything actively cooling it so it would make 00:58:47.119 --> 00:58:53.480 something like a phone if you could actually water cool it and there was a significant volume of water inside it 00:58:51.920 --> 00:58:57.039 would mean that when you start playing a game it would take much longer to start 00:58:55.400 --> 00:59:01.480 thermal throttling for example because you'd have to heat up all that water and 00:58:59.079 --> 00:59:04.799 water can absorb a lot of thermal energy before the temperature of it actually 00:59:02.880 --> 00:59:10.520 Rises is there not a better liquid than water that can absorb even more heat um 00:59:07.359 --> 00:59:11.839 I think most heat pipes do use water um 00:59:10.520 --> 00:59:16.960 some extra stuff in there some of them may use alcohols of some sort I'm not a 00:59:14.440 --> 00:59:21.160 heat pipe expert unfortunately though all right so let's talk about this water 00:59:18.480 --> 00:59:25.400 cooled laptop this is the gx800 the successor to the 00:59:22.880 --> 00:59:30.760 gx700 it can run on its own just like its predecessor but it can also clip 00:59:27.400 --> 00:59:33.400 into this quick relase enabled base that 00:59:30.760 --> 00:59:38.799 includes water cooling um this is great so this is over on tech radar positive 00:59:36.000 --> 00:59:44.079 things very powerful color customizable mechanical keyboard Thermo Hydro 00:59:41.440 --> 00:59:52.839 clocking unlocks overclocking for everything bad extreme power needs oh 00:59:50.119 --> 00:59:57.720 really yeah so describing the last one they released as absolutely mental I 00:59:55.319 --> 01:00:02.880 think is probably an understatement mental in a good or a bad way um I think 01:00:00.480 --> 01:00:09.079 they just mean mental in a mentally in insane way well but like is it good or 01:00:05.880 --> 01:00:11.480 bad uh I'm a simple man I simple answers 01:00:09.079 --> 01:00:18.280 I it's heavy and expensive and 01:00:13.640 --> 01:00:20.680 Powerful it has a GTX 01:00:18.280 --> 01:00:28.680 980 um yeah apparently this one has two 01:00:24.319 --> 01:00:32.359 980s which is what insane really hold on 01:00:28.680 --> 01:00:34.319 a second here two 980s stuffed in there 01:00:32.359 --> 01:00:39.640 what you sure yeah apparently it has two 980s in 01:00:37.559 --> 01:00:45.920 it do we have one the laptop actually comes with two 330 watt power supplies 01:00:43.920 --> 01:00:50.839 meaning that this laptop actually I had not gone far 01:00:48.520 --> 01:00:57.920 enough to realize it has had 298 this laptop will consume as much 01:00:53.599 --> 01:00:57.920 power as a desktop 01:00:58.599 --> 01:01:07.200 um and be about as portable really as a desktop with a screen on the side panel 01:01:03.760 --> 01:01:08.920 yeah so make of that what you will uh 01:01:07.200 --> 01:01:13.960 it's not the only ridiculous thing that ASUS released at the show the zenbo 01:01:11.559 --> 01:01:18.000 proves that uh this is this is a great this is a great headline from end Gadget 01:01:15.839 --> 01:01:22.200 proves that our robot Butler dreams remain just 01:01:19.720 --> 01:01:28.000 that the promotional video for this thing is freaking creepy oh wow that 01:01:25.520 --> 01:01:34.400 face they could they could have chosen any other face let me go ahead and move 01:01:31.400 --> 01:01:36.880 the uh move this down there you go so we 01:01:34.400 --> 01:01:42.119 can put this full screen appreciate the this thing is freaking here's the here's 01:01:40.280 --> 01:01:46.960 the YouTube video you guys you guys don't even really need audio but it's 01:01:43.680 --> 01:01:49.520 like it's just so weird like it 01:01:46.960 --> 01:01:53.520 introduces all these characters or something and then it 01:01:52.400 --> 01:01:59.319 shows how zenbo helps them yeah but what it 01:01:56.839 --> 01:02:02.720 doesn't have arms and then well he tells Grandpa to take his medication or like 01:02:01.400 --> 01:02:08.279 your phone could do that he takes pictures with a terrible camera but your 01:02:04.880 --> 01:02:11.160 phone could do that um 01:02:08.279 --> 01:02:18.720 yes but um they're all going to be waste high level then like Grandpa falls down 01:02:15.079 --> 01:02:22.039 in this like weird slowmo sequence and 01:02:18.720 --> 01:02:25.160 then zenbo gives mom a live view of how 01:02:22.039 --> 01:02:26.920 Grandpa fell down and makes sure that 01:02:25.160 --> 01:02:31.440 Grandpa's okay and stuff it's it's look at him like 01:02:29.119 --> 01:02:35.680 smiling while Grandpa Falls can he recognize that a person has fallen down 01:02:33.599 --> 01:02:40.880 I mean computer vision is a difficult thing to do yeah I'm uh what if a dog 01:02:39.200 --> 01:02:44.799 falls to the floor and just kind of walks away I mean will it be able to 01:02:43.079 --> 01:02:49.720 tell the difference yeah I'm really not sold on this and it's like an 11 minute 01:02:46.960 --> 01:02:54.440 long video does it have any useful information uh if you were looking to 01:02:52.559 --> 01:02:59.000 buy a zenbo and you were wondering about the things that it theoretically does 01:02:56.920 --> 01:03:04.799 then yes it contains a lot of useful information otherwise I would say it's 01:03:01.079 --> 01:03:06.680 11 agonizing minutes of I sure wish that 01:03:04.799 --> 01:03:11.119 that the zenbo was a product that anyone could care about and that uh and that 01:03:09.599 --> 01:03:15.359 isus hadn't spend their time doing something else um so here's the 01:03:13.599 --> 01:03:20.079 functionality it apparently has it can detect faces it can apparently help with 01:03:18.440 --> 01:03:23.119 cooking because it can put recipes up on its screen although I can't think of a 01:03:21.440 --> 01:03:27.640 reason that I would want a robot on the floor with my recipe on its face pick it 01:03:25.359 --> 01:03:31.880 up and put on the counter yeah which is like I could have a laptop to do that it 01:03:29.520 --> 01:03:35.440 has built-in speakers for music okay it can connect to Smart devices like air 01:03:33.640 --> 01:03:40.000 conditioners lighting TVs and connected door locks oh oh I would not want to 01:03:38.000 --> 01:03:43.799 connect it can move around independently door lock assuming that your house 01:03:41.400 --> 01:03:47.480 doesn't have any stairs and it will learn fallen and I 01:03:46.200 --> 01:03:52.480 can't get up and it will apparently learn and adapt to how you use it of 01:03:49.559 --> 01:03:57.160 course it will um well one solution so does the mechanoid g15 and that thing 01:03:54.119 --> 01:04:02.240 was awful one solution to getting your 01:03:57.160 --> 01:04:02.240 stupid Butler upstairs would be a dumb 01:04:03.720 --> 01:04:10.240 waiter can we move on now yeah we can move 01:04:07.160 --> 01:04:11.760 on uh what else we got here like 01:04:10.240 --> 01:04:20.480 robotics you know you would there's some impressive 01:04:15.680 --> 01:04:22.240 uh hurdles that have been made but um 01:04:20.480 --> 01:04:27.359 this thing is is way too early like there's no way that it's going to have the functionality that you would want 01:04:25.160 --> 01:04:32.039 from a robot B assistant not even close not even close like it doesn't have an 01:04:29.000 --> 01:04:36.680 ARM give it one ARM that's all you need 01:04:32.039 --> 01:04:40.319 hey one ARM well I mean that's where you 01:04:36.680 --> 01:04:43.079 start you're so amature I always you 01:04:40.319 --> 01:04:48.799 know forget I don't know why Indian customers hit hard on NVIDIA for insane 01:04:46.119 --> 01:04:53.079 pricing of their 1080 graphics card so the founders Edition is supposed to be 01:04:50.680 --> 01:04:57.079 somewhere in the neighborhood of $699 us with 5.99 being more like what you'd 01:04:55.240 --> 01:05:03.079 expect for regular models uh non-reference cards so on May 27th it was officially 01:05:00.880 --> 01:05:08.079 released and officially available on amazon. one of the top three online 01:05:05.240 --> 01:05:14.520 shopping websites in India Zotac Gigabyte and ASUS apparently have their 01:05:10.119 --> 01:05:16.480 prices listed 57 to 87% higher than the 01:05:14.520 --> 01:05:23.160 price announced at NVIDIA's launch event so prices should be at around 47,000 01:05:19.400 --> 01:05:26.279 rupees but cards are listed around 01:05:23.160 --> 01:05:28.240 71,500 rupees or about 1, 01:05:26.279 --> 01:05:32.039 70 us I would love to give the benefit of 01:05:30.400 --> 01:05:36.279 the doubt and say Indian retailers probably screwed up the model number and 01:05:34.119 --> 01:05:41.160 the pricing columns mhm very funny but that's probably not 01:05:38.799 --> 01:05:48.880 what happened I mean the reality of it is whether it's due to tariffs or taxes 01:05:44.760 --> 01:05:51.039 or any other wide variety of reasons 01:05:48.880 --> 01:05:58.839 sometimes us pricing does not translate to other countries with that said this 01:05:55.319 --> 01:06:02.599 does look a little bit like pure gouging 01:05:58.839 --> 01:06:05.599 to me um you got to you know you got to 01:06:02.599 --> 01:06:07.119 gouge someone so you know what I would 01:06:05.599 --> 01:06:14.119 let's do another straw poll here I want to hear from you guys do us prices 01:06:11.319 --> 01:06:19.240 translate to where you live because honestly here in Canada they pretty much 01:06:16.440 --> 01:06:24.039 do in some cases no these are pricier here some things are but computer 01:06:21.119 --> 01:06:27.680 components are generally once you factor in exchange rate and factor in that 01:06:25.680 --> 01:06:32.599 shipping does just cost a little more up here they are pretty darn close you 01:06:30.839 --> 01:06:37.880 might not see the same uh like Black Friday deals for example but general 01:06:34.680 --> 01:06:40.520 pricing day today is actually very very 01:06:37.880 --> 01:06:44.599 close so I want to hear from you guys uh whether that's what you have observed 01:06:42.160 --> 01:06:50.920 where you're from this is really cool uh have you 01:06:47.760 --> 01:06:52.319 checked out the elevated bus no okay 01:06:50.920 --> 01:06:55.760 scroll down to that topic and have a look and I'll uh we'll make that our 01:06:54.119 --> 01:06:58.599 next one but I want to show the drop hole results here 01:06:58.799 --> 01:07:04.960 first so yeah we've got a whopping 54% 01:07:02.119 --> 01:07:09.039 of you oh I screwed up the title but hopefully you guys were hopefully you 01:07:06.880 --> 01:07:14.279 guys were listening while I was telling you about the title of it do us prices 01:07:12.000 --> 01:07:21.119 to where you live we've got 53% of you saying no 25% of you throwing away your 01:07:16.680 --> 01:07:24.480 vote and uh only 22% of you saying yes 01:07:21.119 --> 01:07:26.520 which given that I think over 22% of our 01:07:24.480 --> 01:07:30.960 viewership is in the US would mean that some of our us viewers 01:07:29.599 --> 01:07:35.160 either they all figured out that they shouldn't vote because they are from the 01:07:32.640 --> 01:07:38.760 US M or they um got a little 01:07:38.880 --> 01:07:44.920 confused so I wasn't paying attention I'm looking at this elevated bus yeah 01:07:43.160 --> 01:07:51.559 this thing looks freaking it looks really cool awesome comma but I have 01:07:48.680 --> 01:07:54.640 some concerns yeah I've got a handful of concerns too so this is pretty cool 01:07:53.200 --> 01:08:01.680 there's a YouTube video of it here I'm just going to go ahead pull this up so this there you go it's 01:07:59.400 --> 01:08:08.200 not up is the oh whoops I'm sorry let's go ahead and share Linus's screen so 01:08:04.119 --> 01:08:10.480 this is sort of a a a concept for an 01:08:08.200 --> 01:08:15.799 elevated bus so the passengers sit up here mhm and the idea is that this would 01:08:13.160 --> 01:08:21.199 solve congestion Problems by actually having it drive above the road above 01:08:19.279 --> 01:08:26.759 cars on the road let me tell you though if I was in a car and that thing passed 01:08:23.600 --> 01:08:28.839 me I would be terrified 01:08:26.759 --> 01:08:33.719 I would be like whoa suddenly I'm in a tunnel I you know I I was going to turn 01:08:32.359 --> 01:08:39.239 like people are going to freak out when that thing goes over them yep I mean 01:08:35.480 --> 01:08:41.199 people in bike Lanes might get yeah hit 01:08:39.239 --> 01:08:45.159 um anyone in sort of a taller than normal vehicle might have a bit of a 01:08:43.080 --> 01:08:49.359 problem well you would have to oh dear you'd have to impose height limits on 01:08:46.799 --> 01:08:52.520 cars on certain roads yep yeah you'd have to like have the bars so you can't 01:08:50.880 --> 01:08:57.480 even enter there are definitely some issues with the idea but like it's a 01:08:54.480 --> 01:08:58.719 cool idea in Theory maybe but if it was 01:08:57.480 --> 01:09:02.120 deployed strategically I could see this being 01:09:00.719 --> 01:09:06.679 pretty cool it will be apparently be able to carry 1,200 passengers will be 01:09:05.159 --> 01:09:10.159 able to go over top of cars and let traffic pass underneath it it runs on 01:09:08.400 --> 01:09:16.159 fixed rails along the road and they had a scale model shown at the Expo so here 01:09:13.600 --> 01:09:20.880 in Vancouver is area we have something called The Sky Train which is basically 01:09:18.239 --> 01:09:25.679 just a Subway but it's elevated it's in the air and it just goes over the roads 01:09:23.640 --> 01:09:29.960 it does not interact with them either over or under so you never have to deal 01:09:28.080 --> 01:09:33.560 with it it never has to wait at a light but the cost of that never have to you 01:09:31.560 --> 01:09:38.920 know yeah is much higher yeah so they're estimating that this will cost 01:09:36.000 --> 01:09:44.440 one what a Subway would cost mhm has anyone ever done this not that 01:09:42.120 --> 01:09:49.199 I'm aware of so it's just a little model cuz I've seen this kind of thing before 01:09:46.040 --> 01:09:51.520 it's just a little model for now 01:09:49.199 --> 01:09:54.560 mhm it' be super I would love to ride one of those it'd be awesome that would 01:09:53.000 --> 01:09:57.960 be cool yeah like sitting in the front of that thing just like whipping over 01:09:56.159 --> 01:10:02.840 the cars underneath you it' be like it would be like if Bridges could drive 01:10:00.440 --> 01:10:06.520 yeah I I don't imagine that it whips very much probably the cars under it are 01:10:04.320 --> 01:10:12.760 going to be going faster than this thing it probably Lumbers along well the idea 01:10:09.320 --> 01:10:14.480 is to uh get around traffic yeah but 01:10:12.760 --> 01:10:17.840 like be like congest what about when it comes up to a light like it's going to 01:10:16.280 --> 01:10:21.600 have to wait at the light right because like what if you 01:10:19.840 --> 01:10:26.040 have two of these things have toit what if you've got you've got the other cars like they can't pass through it unless 01:10:24.199 --> 01:10:30.040 you do like columns the cars would be faster off the line but maybe the bus 01:10:27.800 --> 01:10:34.000 would go faster when they hit a an an obstruction of some sort I don't know I 01:10:32.080 --> 01:10:39.440 don't know man I like it I think it's cool it's cool but is it 01:10:37.120 --> 01:10:44.159 practical all right speaking of practical I think that's pretty much it 01:10:41.360 --> 01:10:47.920 for the Practical life of the show today is it let's give Taran a big round of 01:10:46.000 --> 01:10:52.760 applause for being my co-host today yay Taran yay tan oh wow twitch chat hates 01:10:51.080 --> 01:10:58.159 you do they oh no no they're fine oh you're looking at 01:10:55.600 --> 01:11:02.520 it never mind I did not get away with that one there and uh just so for those 01:11:00.920 --> 01:11:06.600 of you who have been wondering oh yeah we never explained all stream uh the 01:11:04.520 --> 01:11:13.400 reason for this is I was actually shooting my review of the cat headphones 01:11:10.280 --> 01:11:17.040 from Brookstone so I wanted uh I wanted 01:11:13.400 --> 01:11:19.480 a look that I felt like would 01:11:17.040 --> 01:11:24.719 appropriately go along with them so I got all got all done up prior to hosting 01:11:22.960 --> 01:11:29.679 the review and then I was jealous so I put this on 01:11:26.040 --> 01:11:32.440 yeah pretty much there's not much to it 01:11:29.679 --> 01:11:41.040 yeah I look good in this um all right thanks guys see you next 01:11:36.679 --> 01:11:43.159 time same bat Time same bat Channel yeah 01:11:41.040 --> 01:11:48.480 oh hopefully the intro Works got people asking if you can take 01:11:45.360 --> 01:11:51.080 the ears off um no I don't think so 01:11:48.480 --> 01:11:57.960 unless you cut them off this wig is hot I know wigs make 01:11:55.639 --> 01:12:02.719 your head surprisingly hot it's all sweaty like it is not a pretty 01:12:03.239 --> 01:12:10.489 thing well I don't know if oh there it goes 01:12:31.920 --> 01:12:34.920 yes