Elon Musk DELETES his Facebook - WAN Show Mar.23 2018
Linus Tech Tips
·Linus Tech Tips
·2018-05-06
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8,908 words · ~44 min read
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i don't know about you but i'm having basically kind of the roughest week ever
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we killed the dual socket board um Anthony
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yeah you killed the dual socket board alex alex killed the dual socket board
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Anthony got pulled out of the office on a particularly busy week
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for an event that ended up being a complete and utter waste of time thank
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you Intel i i just you know it's funny
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to the average viewer out there there seems to be this perception
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that when a company like
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invites you to a product event that it's like
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free travel you just got free traveling hotel you
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guys are so you guys sold out so hard
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like there's this perception but what they don't seem to realize
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is that it costs me money
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to have myself or someone else out of the office not
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just money but time time that i might have spent with my family spent um
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clipping one of my toenails that's a little long right now and is kind of
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catching on the inside of my sock and is a little uncomfortable you know the
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things that things that we might have wanted to that i might have wanted to do
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um and in this case like i would i would actually prefer not just in this case
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but in most cases i would strongly prefer
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having a company get on the phone with me so i don't have to sit in an airport
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for three hours sit on a plane for anywhere from you know two to five hours
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sit in an airport for another half an hour waiting for my baggage and then do
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the whole thing all over again i would strongly prefer if they just got on a
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phone gave me a powerpoint presentation
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where i can understand the product and just sent one over so we can test it in
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the comfort of our lab with all of our equipment and all of our staff that we
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can mount ideas off of all of that good stuff
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and you haven't even mentioned the opportunity cost of Anthony not being
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here Anthony being in an airport instead of being at his desk being productive
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exactly so
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the audio issues persist is that why you're laughing slash dying
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if you think the audio's bad read my lips
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apparently it's very quiet because that's all you're getting
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but we are we're we're getting all the way into the
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yellow territory so i don't know what to tell
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you i can't turn it out because it's gonna
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clip i can't do anything
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we're just gonna have to live with it this is your problem man turn it up and
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when the ad comes on and blasts you and you get a noise complaint and a
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strata bill slash condo fee bill all right so anyway it has just been a rough week
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having people out um uh ivan's sick this week um alex is
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gonna be out next week so one of the videos that he was supposed to get done this week but he was busy breaking a
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motherboard didn't get done this week so it means we have to do more next week
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um next week i'm going to be out of the office two days actually we've got some
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really cool videos that we're going to be shooting next week i love it when you're out of the office don't
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okay well on one of the days i am actually going to be in the building i'm
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just going to be really busy so i don't know if you guys remember the murder box
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yeah it was sort of an unfortunately named like boutique system integrator
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that existed around eight nine years ago anyway um charles the guy who was
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running it eventually decided to do just a case the
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mdpcx no xforma okay whatever i can't remember
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what it's called it's freaking awesome though it looks incredible so we've got a full system built up in it including
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metal hardline tubing metal hard line tubing with like these
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gorgeous bends and stuff and what we're going to be doing is we're going to have
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him come into the studio
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and do like a tear down of it so it's going to be kind of like like
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disassembling a supercar
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on camera it's going to be badass but like a super computer but not a super computer
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because that's a specific thing and it isn't that when i first saw that system i was like
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i didn't even know such things were possible like in gladiator when they see
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when he sees the coliseum i didn't know men could build such things they weren't
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pc in gladiator times
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okay um so let's jump into our first topic of
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the day this one is uh we talked about it a fair bit last week apparently my
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explanation of it was very confusing because a lot of the comments on the lan
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show last week were just saying that people were having a really hard time
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understanding what the crap it was that i was talking about exactly but the
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GeForce partner program NVIDIA is claiming that this is all about reducing
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confusion for the consumer but according to an article written by
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yano according to an article written by hart ocp it appears to be a means for
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NVIDIA using its stranglehold over the
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supply of the GPU chips that its partners need to survive
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using that to basically force them to favor NVIDIA
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products over AMD products in their marketing specifically in their
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marketing that talks directly about
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gaming so
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our source here is uh this was originally posted by cladson on the
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forum and the original article is from reddit
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seems to suggest although this is of course in r
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AMD so take it for what it is
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but seems to suggest that the first victim
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of the GeForce partner program may have already been unveiled
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so Gigabyte just introduced a new AMD
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oriented external GPU box and the branding
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is different from their other external
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GPU box so we've actually got one of the
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gtx 1080 based ones and it uses the
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aorus branding while these new AMD-based
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ones wow this is like a
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how deep do i have to go in these links
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to find the actual
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where is the there you go if the branding isn't just
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different it's just way way way more basic
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yeah so worse and
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just rx 580. with that said it does have gaming
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in the title which hopefully is an indication that
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contrary to the rumor partners will at least be able to use
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like game or gaming in the branding for their AMD products
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um that's a descriptive word isn't it MSI
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that gaming is actually their line of gaming uh
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yeah so they won't be able to do that well
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or they'll have to take a little tm off the top of it yeah so the rumor was
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though that NVIDIA would be forcing their partners to actually rename
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product lines that had gaming in them for products that were not GeForce
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so it's still a work in progress though because if you look at some of the
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amazon links to these these products that have been otherwise d branded in
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physical form the amazon titles still have those monikers in there and like i'm
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assuming they're going to be taken away eventually so maybe it's still
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it's like a a roll out here that we're witnessing
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yeah so it looks like there's some things that still haven't been updated so some amazon product names apparently
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have been updated now not for insignias
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like rog strix and MSI gaming
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but for the actual product names themselves some have been updated and
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some of them haven't do you have any examples of that if you go to the forum thread there's a
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bunch of examples now not just the aorus one all right let's go ahead and pull
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that up here so update number two yes MSI seems to
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have removed all their gaming from AMD graphics cards only NVIDIA ones have the
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gaming branding on them now uh let's see if we can find uh
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yeah this wow this thread is like really going here we go check this out
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no so this is an example of one that has not been changed yet so ASUS rog strix
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Radeon rx 560. now with that said one of
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the things that i would have to wonder is that given the the the complicated
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nature of updating the name of a product that's out there in the wild already
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is it possible we're not seeing the full effect yet is it possible that NVIDIA
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would be waiting for like the next rollout of products like probably like a
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600 series graphics card how could you possibly retroactively like hey best buy
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hey walmart update your product names on your website i mean you could ask for it
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but i mean but there's so many channels yeah there's i mean there's the websites
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there's the little like tag on the actual shelf there's flyers that they
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would be working out on there's all kinds of promotional materials that
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would be very difficult to change and there's multiple marketplaces like amazon isn't even in australia
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presumably australia has some other e-tailer that's big that they'd have to
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communicate with uh is pc pc case geared amazon pc uh
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online retailer i'm trying to remember who the big ones are down there
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wait why did i search for amazon australia
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this has just been australia's on such a week man
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like such a week scorptek is one of them that's uh one of
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our mods on the forum used to work at scorptech but doesn't anymore so that's
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that's really all i know about them did you used to be australian it isn't
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anymore no no no still australian oh still super australian that can happen
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all right this was originally posted on the floor i have one question yes
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there i had i saw some fear um you talked about
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the the supply that NVIDIA has on the market being a bit of a stranglehold um
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do you think that applies to people like us influencers and media who don't want
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to speak out or disparage this move by NVIDIA because they're afraid that
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they're not going to be sourced the gpus that they rely on to make
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reviews and editorial content okay so that is a good question here's the thing
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NVIDIA has to if they're trying to
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create a competitive advantage for themselves they have to do so without creating a
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bunch of negative sentiment amongst the consumer base
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sort of i'm not actually convinced like NVIDIA i i would describe as sort of um
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not the individuals that i know there everyone that i know that works in NVIDIA i really like on a personal level
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but to describe them corporately i would say they are a little bit arrogant
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but i'm not necessarily saying that they
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haven't uh that they haven't earned it in a sense
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like comes with a market share yeah it comes with having what i think it's like
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75 market share or something like that in discrete graphics and that's in terms of
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unit sales not in terms of dollars
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which given that they have much higher end products than AMD has at this time
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are pretty significantly different
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um so
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i'm not saying that they haven't kind of kind of earned it
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um but we are the stewards of that
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sentiment right so here's the thing NVIDIA doesn't really have to care about
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the sentiment now because at the end of the day
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what else are you going to buy you know you can't find stock of
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anything so people are basically buying whatever they can get for one thing and
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for two NVIDIA is in a position where in certain segments they really are the
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only product that makes any sense especially at the high end
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so but but but with that said NVIDIA still seems to somewhat care about their
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public image because you never know when AMD might turn around and release
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something that turns the market on its head and if people had like this pent-up
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negative sentiment towards NVIDIA it could
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it could backfire on them then when you say at the high end what are you talking
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about are you talking about hedt um
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yeah yeah i'm talking about well that's because if you're talking about only Intel uses that terminology oh okay yeah
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if you're talking about server stuff then i don't does this really apply
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because this is isn't this about consumer grade
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yeah no i'm talking about high end consumer i mean AMD doesn't have
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anything competitive with the 1080 ti not even close
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yeah yeah all right um and i mean as as for vega vega 56 and
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vega 64 i mean even before the mining craze they they they weren't that
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competitive like they were okay vegas 64 wasn't vega
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56 was but you haven't been able to buy a vega 56 like what
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where where are you supposed to get a vega 56 and you really think that
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when they were deciding whether or not to to make this move and how to spin it
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and whether or not it would give them bad press they thought you know what
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right now nobody can buy anything because of crypto they really considered the crypto
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mania and the availability of gpus and they're like ah we can probably get away
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with this i think so so so i think that the timing is a big part of it and then
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i think the other thing is like why not try to get the press to buckle well it's
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because they have far less of an impact on our livelihood than they do on their
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partners who rely on them for chips like if um
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so we i would be more worried about youtube
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than i would about NVIDIA if youtube were the kind of company
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where i didn't feel like um
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you know they they could accept criticism as it is you know i can i can
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i can tell our youtube rep stuff that i hate about the platform to his face and
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his job anyway is to take that feedback and actually try and make it actionable
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and try and try and improve things believe it or not youtube does actually
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care we're his client yeah it's it's
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we're his client but he's also our
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um you know that's that's actually an interesting way of looking at it so
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we're his client but we're his client in a way where NVIDIA's clients
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are are not as much because NVIDIA could just find someone else whereas once you
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reach a certain point as a creator in much the same way that youtube doesn't
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really focus much attention on the small creators that that are replaceable they
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do focus attention on the big ones that are difficult to replace well i think from NVIDIA's perspective
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pretty much everyone can be replaced at this point
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like they've literally done it xfx used to be a major NVIDIA partner especially
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in north america back in the day um it was like 1-2 evga xfx
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now ever since xfx defected to AMD back in i think it was
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the 4 000 series days don't quote me on
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that might have been 3000 series anyway back then ever since then NVIDIA
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basically went well okay
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you know where if you're gonna defect if you're gonna go from being exclusive NVIDIA remember
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this was at a time when NVIDIA was in pretty rough shape with some hot running
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cards that didn't perform that well if you guys are going to turn tail and run
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into the arms of AMD good good luck with that
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we'll just find someone else to replace you and they did when bfg disappeared so
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bfg was another sort of top-tier partner for NVIDIA in north america
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one of their big things was that they offered a lifetime warranty when NVIDIA
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dis or when bfd disappeared NVIDIA
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didn't you know they didn't run out and try and find you know try and like
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quietly fund through you know venture capital someone to take over the brand
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and continue it they just kind of went ah then's the breaks and if you think
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about it that has been the strategy with
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board partners since the dawn of time like i could probably name
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half a dozen board partners off the top of my head who existed at one point at
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least in north america and don't anymore let's try
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well there's bfg so i already got that one
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there is uh chain tech there's another one there is um
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let me think gain word there's another one gain word used to be like kind of
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like halo halo tier products
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a bit i think dabbled in gpus at one point they're gone entirely now from the
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motherboard business too dang is that all i got
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that's pretty good shoot i think that's all i've got um i mean and then there's
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like there's like the really old stuff like um
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like back when like 3d Labs i think used to do graphics cards
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but i don't think they ever did NVIDIA ones
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feel 3d Labs creative did you create
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them before ati acquired fire gl diamond oh yeah diamond multimedia sorry that's
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the one that i was thinking not 3d Labs diamond okay whatever that's five that's
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five and i did have to google one of them so it's kind of cheating but that's not really the point the point is
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i think NVIDIA is in a position where they feel like they need their partners
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a lot less than someone like youtube apparently does with us
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so let's see how this continues to play out
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so they still have that power and they don't really care it doesn't matter this
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the sentiment is a drop in the bucket compared to the power of their market position so
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it doesn't yeah but i think that they are i think that they wouldn't also risk
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going to press directly with some kind of uh with some kind of an agreement
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that you can only mention gaming with NVIDIA products and then a gag order if
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you talk about it because if they ever showed something like that to anyone in
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the press it would be out there yeah let's remember that it was AMD who originally
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kind of leaked this or let it know because the press
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has so much less to lose with NVIDIA like worst case scenario i've got to buy
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a half a dozen graphics cards a year i mean at the rate that we're going lately
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with them releasing like two three graphics cards every year like
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it's not even that bad it's like yeah sure whatever i'll go go buy a video
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yeah i used to buy video cards but the price
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of those video cards okay that's that's true
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and Linus media groups bankrupt
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had to buy three graphics cards golden really Colton's not fired he's laid off
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yeah budget cuts man um
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all right why don't we why don't we jump into one of our one of our quick ones i
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want to talk about this one you want to talk about the first oh the self
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since it broke all right hold on we'll talk about that in a minute first we
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gotta talk about our sponsors for the day
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where's all our sponsor stuff i think they might be behind us you're a
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vegetarian right yeah so i'm the only one eating savage jerky today yeah
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that's a real shame because it's pretty delicious yeah so i'm gonna i'm gonna
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jump right into the savage jerky spot just because that's the that's
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like i'm actually not as hungry as i normally am on the lan show because i
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was because you spent half of the lan show eating in people's ears
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in 7.1 oh they sent so many packs of maple buffalo bacon this is like
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the highlight of my week um oh yeah they
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have other flavors as well including some super spicy ones
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um and that's good let's get let's get through the talking
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point so i could like i i'm drooling
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no not drooling sorry salivating savage jerky's jerky is made with high
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quality ingredients without nitrates or preservatives the goal was to create a
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snack that's full of flavor and not bad for you they've got 13 different flavors
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of jerky including maple buffalo bacon the moho is really good the traditional
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is really good the um what are some of the other really good ones hold on oh
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uh the cracked pepper and sea salt is really good um and then they've also got
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super spicy ones like the ghost pepper one the reaper one
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um i'm also salivating for the record they also make barbecue sauce hot sauce
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and a spice rub their carolina reaper hot sauce uses one of the hottest
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peppers in the world i can attest to that the ghost pepper just kidding it's
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the carolina reaper duh it's called carolina reaper hot sauce um and you can
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use offer code LTT to save 10 on all of their products
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that legitimately looks like a piece of bacon it is a piece of bacon what do you think it was oh
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well what's oh bacon jerky it's bacon jerky
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oh i didn't know that was a thing it's a thing
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it's a good thing
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all right jumping into our next topic or into our next sponsor this is also a
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good thing so ek
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has introduced the phoenix
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and um if you had noticed that their previous modular water cooling system
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sort of went away phoenix that name what does that mean
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kind of makes sense reborn right so this is their next
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generation improved aio water cooling solution it's designed around quick
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disconnect couplings bringing a modular approach to connecting and expanding
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your loop so it gives you the freedom to decide which components you want to cool
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down with water and all the products not only come with the blocks and tubing all
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pre-assembled they actually come pre-filled with water and really high
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quality quick disconnects i believe these are from colder
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yeah i think that's what the company is called uh special connector that allows for
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yeah they don't actually say on it but i'm pretty sure when i looked into the
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best quick connects way back when i was doing um like system development back at
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ncix i came across these they're super
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expensive but they're like they lose like
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point one or like .01 mils or something like
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that like when you take them apart basically just the surfaces are damp to
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the touch and that's it wow and the flow drop is it's you know it's measurable
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sure it's significant but it's it's not that bad compared to other designs it's
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really cool it like bridges the gap between the super simple aio
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to the more intense enthusiasts ones i like it so it's enthusiast performance
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but with aio simplicity so they come pre-filled so you can just clip them
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together and the CPU cooling module and GPU cooling module can be connected to
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the radiator core module in any order separately or together so you can check
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them out at ek ekwb.com or through the link in the
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video description
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bringing us to our last sponsor wait where did where did this thing go it's
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behind you it is yes oh and behind me as well are you gonna
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are you gonna do the demo like is this set up i think the plan is to do a demo
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oh okay oh well is this is this spoiling the video
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all right no fine do it do it do it do it okay
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so our third sponsor for today is sewell direct their hd link hl24 HDMI over any
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two conductors product allows you to use whatever cable you've already got
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somewhere like maybe you've already got wires running
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through a wall or whatever you can use any two cables to send an HDMI signal
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it's got up to a two mile range with a good conductor and it can work on
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literally anything that is conductive so james is
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about to demo it we hope in water
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so we've got a laptop behind me james is in the way of it so it's kind
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of hard for you guys to see i think you just can't see it it's way
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over there oh well you can see the keyboard there you got a laptop
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we've got a wire right here going into a tray of water
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and then we've got
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blinky green light is this just on the wrong input it could
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be and then we've got james trying to do a live demo anytime you try and do a
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live demo it doesn't work it's like it's got to be like some kind of law
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Colton did you uh actually do this
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that's not Colton that was taren
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well that might be your problem it wasn't even set to duplicate oh
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well now i changed it it should be HDMI
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moving on well we've got a video coming where we
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did have it working it's receiving signal the problem is the
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monitor that's weird why let's see that see that
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beautiful green blinky light yeah no that's definitely worth it's getting
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enough for sure oh here we go yeah i don't know that's because i power
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cycled oh
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no i don't know i don't know why it's not working is it trying to run it not
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1080p or something like i don't know i don't know what's going on here all
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right in the meantime why don't i do another topic do you want to do you want to try and fix it or
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oh oh we've got the monitor we used yesterday right there
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cool all right
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next up this is apparently old news but the xbox
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one is getting freesync the original article here is from forbes
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let's go ahead and pull that up and this is
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absolutely huge news from my perspective i'm so thrilled about this because on
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the pc side of things if you're not able to hit 60 frames per second
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then okay like that sucks but
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worst case scenario there is a solution you can spend more money i guess and i
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know that's one of the criticisms of pc gaming is that it's kind of a sinkhole
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when it comes to how much you can end up spending on it
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but at least there is a solution with a
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console if you want to play some kind of a console exclusive and it happens to
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have you know hitches in the animations or it happens to not run
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completely smoothly at 60fps some games
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are coming out that do actually allow you to alter the detail levels but not
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everything does so this is great the xbox one s and the
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xbox one x are both going to get free sync support so on a supported display
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with HDMI 2.1 you'll be able to use
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freesync 2 which means that if you get a dip in your frame rate the tv's refresh
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rate will actually drop to match it perfectly which has a real world
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very significant benefit to the smoothness of the animations
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now right now james when we recorded this initially
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the first time because we had to restart the show a couple of
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times due to audio issues james brought up that right now there are no tvs on
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the market with support for the HDMI 2.1
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but you know from my perspective you have to start somewhere and
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i mean i would i i yeah okay so that is a bit of a drag
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i'll give you that but you got to start somewhere and at least this gives us an
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opportunity to move towards that in the future i mean especially trying to run
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like games at 4k on you know nothing against the xbox one
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x great console got a really positive review here but trying to run games at
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4k on anything is demanding right now
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and trying to run them on the xbox one x is well particularly demanding
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um so this this has the potential to be a real game changer in terms of animation
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smoothness on consoles that actually leads kind of nicely into another topic
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we have here which is that the NVIDIA g-sync 4k 144
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hertz monitors that you may have seen at ces last year in 2017
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uh but which were subsequently delayed are supposed to finally being being
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released in april but the question why i think this there
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was a good segue there is like what the heck what card are you going to
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use to run something in 4k at 144 hertz
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right now the only oh at 144 hertz oh
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nothing like you're not going to get anything yeah it's the frame rate that
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high to use it's kind of a funny product because it's like
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it's kind of like the product for no one so it's
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high frame rate or a high refresh rate for like esports titles
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but then no one playing league of legends
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is actually running at 4k like you you just you just wouldn't do that
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why would you like i i would rather if i was a pro
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gamer if i was a pro gamer i'm not if i was i
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would rather have 240 hertz
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at 1080p and from my understanding a lot of pros
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don't actually prefer these gigantic large format displays because it
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actually makes it so that they can't see everything that they need to see at once
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it seems to me like it's just the first product that has
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this suite of features that they're all going to have eventually
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they're just first yeah and then sort of the flip side of
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that is if you're more into like the sightseeing games you don't need the refresh rate
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you don't need that refresh rate because you're not going to be running those kinds of games at more than like
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60 frames per second no with that said though
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we don't know how the upcoming gpus whether it be they ampere or volta or
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whatever NVIDIA ends up calling their gtx
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22000 series i guess whatever they end up calling them
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we don't know how powerful they're gonna they're gonna be so that might be
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even the maple buffalo bacon's got a little bit of spice and it kind of went down my windpipe there i'm good i'm okay
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i'm not gonna die on lanchow i don't know if you know anything about why
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these monitors were delayed but could it have been to do with the HDMI 2.1 spec
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like is this thing going to use two cables or one these are displayport so
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as far as i know and this is just based on rumors that i
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read on the internet as far as i know it has to do with delays to NVIDIA's uh
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latest g-sync module okay you know what i think a giveaway
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was 144 hertz correct me if i'm wrong but i think even HDMI 2.1 is maxed out
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at 120. that might be right fact check that i'm
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still alive i'm still alive everyone's like rip ltd in the chat no i'm still
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alive
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i'm okay oh man
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all right in the meantime why don't we go on to
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your big your big topic here well so this happened uh this was posted
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by delicious on the forum the original article here
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is from rt.com
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the first pedestrian death
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has been not just like has not just happened but has been recorded
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from a self-driving car well naturally the thing
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is actually driving because of the cameras
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this is really sad so 49 year old elaine herzberg was struck by a self-driving
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uber uh last sunday night at 10 p.m it was dark out
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she was crossing the street with her bike in tempe arizona naturally a lot of
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these self-driving car testing projects are in arizona they made some attractive
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terms for to attract companies and they have pretty nice weather it's kind of
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easier the car was going 40 miles per hour an
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hour which is 65 kilometers and this is an suv it's a volvo
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xc90 suv so there was a backup safety
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net kind of driver a human driver in the vehicle
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and when the story broke we didn't have the footage of what the camera saw
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um the dash cam footage as it were so we we didn't know
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why didn't the backup driver react why didn't the human driver hit the brakes
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how was it possible that this woman was struck um
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the original details were just like irrelevant things like it was dark out
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and she wasn't at a cross rock neither of those have any impact or whether or
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not the car should stop so velodyne lidar said it won't be
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advising its customers to halt tests in the wake of this death because they
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don't believe the accident was due to the lidar which often it works even
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better at night due to less interference there's less noise they think it's
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possible they don't design the software uber does so it's possible that
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it's how the data was handled in the software end it's still unknown why the
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car didn't stop when the dash cam
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footage was released it became clear that there was
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if the dash cam footage looks like what it really looked like that night there's
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no way a human could have reacted she basically
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is not there and then there like she is crossing the street like in a shadow or
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something like that and even though the driver there's interior car footage and
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you can see that the driver is looking down and not paying attention um
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even if they were paying attention there's nothing they could do and a lot of the media was focusing on the driver
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and how this person has like a previous criminal record and whether or not
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uber's like policies like should have hired them it's completely irrelevant
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what we're wondering now is like obviously this is a big setback for the
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self-driving car community industry and and what's going to happen
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in california california was about to
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initiate programs like this there so it might take a little longer so uber has
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halted tests in san francisco phoenix pittsburgh and toronto
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um man like so here's the thing on the one
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hand you're gonna have the uh i forget the
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terms for them but you're gonna have the the the pragmatists that are going to go
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well you know what's one human life in the grand scheme of how many can be
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saved in an autonomous future but on the other hand
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thank you but on the other hand if this was like my kid
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like there's no no amount of no no amount of like other people getting to
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survive in the future does anything to make this any better for me
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and from my perspective like i'm reading an article like this and this is as
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someone who really wants to see self-driving cars
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succeed and wants to buy one as soon as humanly possible
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um i'm glad they're not allowing testing here in my neighborhood
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you know as soon as i read this i go well i'm glad this is being i'm glad someone else is the guinea pig
34:51
and maybe that's the wrong way to think about it but well this is exactly why i said her name
34:56
and age in the story here because when i posted this on my twitter when it first
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broke it was like i expected
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a lot more varied comments than i got the only
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comments were like you know in the future it'll be good
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but this is like a real person
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so regardless needless to say say the uh tests that occur without a driver
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present in the car which are i believe legally allowed in arizona yeah but
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we're on the cusp of being allowed in california are gonna be delayed
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man that's rough uh in other news
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what else do we got oh congress passes sesta slash foster
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which sounds like uh like like
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kind of like a hip bill it's like a foster bill you know it's
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like pretty fast you man yeah fossa actually we should start using it as
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like a cuss word yo that's pretty fast it's on
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okay i'm down yeah i think foster should mean good and jibo
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means bad like oh that is some foster no you think it's good
36:10
cesta yeah i could see sesame spice like
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that's sister
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you're just saying it like zesty yeah but it's cesta you know cessna okay
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yeah no come on man this is a bill that ostensibly
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curbs online sex trafficking um but there are some critics that say it's
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going to increase online censorship stifle innovation and make everyone less
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safe online so congress passed it just they're just
36:39
waiting for president trump's signature for it to become a law i i can't imagine
36:44
him not signing anything that he can list in like his
36:48
accomplishments like i actually think he would sign
36:52
anything mind you with that said i think the the news that i looked at most
36:56
recently said that he might not sign the the bill that funds the government for
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the next year or whatever the omnibus bill or whatever they're calling it
37:04
right um anyway whole other whole other conversation
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so here's here's the here's the issue that
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that okay so on the one hand if we're actually preventing human trafficking
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by um by creating what is in effect sort of uh
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um a responsibility
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on these websites for the content that be is being posted by third parties if
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if we are actually helping people by doing that that's a good thing
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the problem is that what this creates is
37:40
a burden on website owners and operators
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to be responsible for everything that is posted on their site not just everything
37:48
that is present on their sites on an ongoing basis but everything that is
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posted on their sites and as someone who hosts
37:57
a user submitted content forum i can tell you
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right now it is basically freaking
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impossible to police every single thing
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that someone might post on a website
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craigslist has already removed its personal section for fear of a cesta
38:18
transgression that would affect the entire site which demonstrates right
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there that the community is interpreting this as too heavy of a touch to
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to want to risk to eat yeah to even want to
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want to like have a chance of running a foul of and that's a big part of their
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website the personals ad is not a trivial part of craigslist really tell
38:38
me more oh you know there's uh
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that's how we met
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no i don't think we posted our a job posting on craigslist and it certainly
38:49
wasn't impersonal job posting um
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oh boy and then so the argument though is that well you
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know if you have a site you should be responsible for what's on it
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and so you know companies like facebook or twitter for example might be able to
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build um you know ai or algorithmic protection mechanisms to keep offensive
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content from being posted but one of the arguments against cestus that says it
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could stifle innovation is that small companies like say for example
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Floatplane media inc might know what's that
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might not have access to expert lawyers
39:30
and the same kinds of monitoring algorithms that a large company would
39:35
and might just run the risk of having to say you know what look we
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can't afford to get buried in legal fees because we're like
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enabling online sex trafficking because like something went up on our
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site and we didn't see it for 20 minutes um and they might just shut down
39:54
which could hurt the ability of the next facebook competitor to spring up out of
39:59
nowhere which i mean you know i don't think anyone sees anything on the
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horizon like that but putting more barriers in place is not the solution
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and and i can tell you right now like it's already challenging so flow plane
40:11
had a heck of a time getting credit card payments approved
40:16
first the payment processor and this is all because of their underwriting bank
40:20
that was requesting all this crap and i'm gonna say i'm going what what do you
40:24
guys care anyway blockchain so they're so their payment processor wanted to see
40:29
a finished site before they would give us access to the
40:34
actual API hooks to integrate into the site a bit of a chicken and egg thing
40:37
isn't it bit of a chicken and egg thing like what are you going to develop a whole site and then have a payment
40:41
process or go and say you know that blue that's a little too
40:45
blue um you know what we're going to pass we're
40:49
just going to pass so they wanted that then we had to get on this conference
40:53
call with them where we had to explain a couple of things number one
40:57
is how we were going to um
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right how we were going to monitor user posted content and we're kind of sitting
41:06
here going well like
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it's it's it's us like our sister company and
41:13
like our friend kyle that are uploading to it right now like
41:17
i don't think this is going to be an issue but that count like comments are
41:20
under that umbrella are they not yes but comments are a little bit easier
41:25
to moderate because you can but again though it comes down to
41:30
imposing on websites um the the the restriction that you'll
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just have to kind of uh narrow down like you'll you'll have
41:39
to effectively make the comments a little less open and a little less free
41:43
because we could crack down on uh people being able to post uh gifs for example
41:48
or we could crack down on people being able to post links links those are those
41:51
are pretty easy ways to keep um you know sex traffic and a spam filter for
41:57
certain addiction yep um but but that will that will make an effect our
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comments more censored than we otherwise might have preferred to have them
42:05
um so anyway the other then the other thing they wanted to know is what our
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plan was to keep adult content off the site and we're kind of sitting here
42:12
going look i'm not going to name any names because i'm just
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it's just been it has really been that kind of week um my week's been fine i don't great
42:21
good so i just don't like i don't want to i want to get into it but we're kind of
42:25
going okay a there's nothing on your terms of service this is anything about
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adult content for one thing to which their response was well we can't keep
42:32
our terms of service updated at all times and kind of go what are you talking about they're like well you know
42:36
that's why we have us to explain the internal terms of service to people and
42:40
i'm like so you have internal terms of service and external terms of service
42:46
here's an idea why don't you just have one terms of service well what else is
42:50
on that internal terms of service great question what did what a tremendous question so
42:55
glad you asked what a great audience yeah um
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and so we want one okay you don't have that in your terms of service and two we
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know for a fact that there's at least one major site that does offer adult
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content that uses you as a payment processor
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and has for years maybe that's why what is the deal
43:21
and anyway after the whole the whole entire
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interview process we did manage to get approved we're getting the code
43:28
integrated naturally the sandbox apis totally
43:33
doesn't jive with the actual one so it
43:36
wasn't just plug and play like it's supposed to be
43:39
but that's why luke's not here he's working on that right now but we're
43:43
hoping to have credit card processing working pretty soon but but anyway
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coming back to sesta foster um
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the issue here is that putting more barriers in in the way of small online
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companies has a real impact like every
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week that we spend [ __ ] around with some kind of
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regulatory thing is another week that we can't be
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developing products and services that make creators and their viewers happy
44:13
and it's very frustrating with that said
44:17
you know the human trafficking is a travesty and a
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living nightmare for the people that are involved in it
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well on the one end of it not the other end i don't think i think they're prob they probably sleep fine at night um
44:31
somehow and you know you want to see something
44:34
done about it but it just doesn't really seem like
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this is it
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here's another non-answer or a non-way to go this is kind of
44:45
related have you seen this this is state legislation pending in rhode island
44:50
which would force internet service providers to block sexual content by
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default until the internet user does
44:58
the following requests in writing that the capability
45:02
be disabled presents identification to verify that that particular user is 18
45:06
years old or older acknowledges receiving like you've got to wait for
45:10
something to mail that receive a written warning regarding the potential danger
45:14
of deactivating the digital blocking capability of this uh sexual content and
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pays 20 bucks as a digital access fee i don't know
45:23
about you but if i really wanted to look at porn on the internet
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a i wouldn't pay 20 for it and b i could not wait that long
45:33
and yes we did talk about this last week
45:37
all right well it still sucks especially for anyone in rhode island
45:46
all right so this was posted by sc2 mitch on the
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forum elon musk has gotten involved in hashtag
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delete facebook no way
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so the original article here is from the guardian hit us with the facts on this one well
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this is laser james this is the deep context source this is like if you don't
46:07
know why facebook's in trouble to begin with we're going here
46:12
so what happened was facebook sees itself as a platform instead of just an
46:16
ad company so they don't care about giving away tons of personal data which
46:21
would be very valuable to an ad company like google they don't mind giving that
46:24
away to developers who are going to develop facebook apps because they want
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to be a platform like microsoft so what they did starting around 2010 was if
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you're building an app for facebook you can get access to a ton of profile data
46:36
and not just data from the people who use these apps
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but data from their friends so what happened was a psychologist professor at
46:45
cambridge made an app paid a couple hundred thousand people to
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take a survey which is what the app was for thereby getting access to all those
46:54
users data on facebook and all their friends which amounted to about 50
46:59
million different profiles worth of personal data
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that data then was against facebook terms of service
47:06
given to cambridge analytica a company
47:09
it's against the terms of service because once you get this data you're not allowed to use it for any
47:13
advertising purpose which is what cambridge analytica ended up doing they
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use it to make highly targeted ads
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to target these people in a very specific way all these 50 million people
47:24
they served 10 000 different nuanced ads
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to to kind of uh sway the american election
47:32
well attempt to attempt to sway it we can't prove it worked we don't know
47:37
we're not experts so now this has all come to light
47:41
facebook's in trouble a famous hashtag delete facebook has been started by uh
47:45
one of the people who benefited tremendously from facebook the founder
47:50
one of the co-founders of whatsapp brian acton
47:53
um he started delete facebook he and then elon musk got called out
47:59
about the delete facebook hashtag and he said
48:02
oh that exists okay
48:05
let's just take down our spacex and test the facebook pages which they've done
48:09
and we don't know if musk is trolling because he kind of does that or if he
48:13
believes in the cause or what
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in other news
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we got wrecked by gamer's nexus what the heck
48:25
what are you talking about look at this we were number five
48:29
reserve gunslinger and gamers nexus all knocked us off of the of the leaderboard
48:33
for the NVIDIA titan v what leaderboard is this
48:37
this is 3d mark time spy extreme oh
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that red bastard
48:46
well no promises that we'll take another
48:49
crack at it but uh i don't like seeing i don't like seeing
48:53
that canadian flag all the way down there
48:56
that's no fun that's weak sorry this everyone's top seven baby never yet
49:04
ah so no no comments on the facebook thing
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okay that was quite a segway you just handed me um no i don't i don't really have
49:13
anything to say on that one apparently the audio is a mess again i don't even
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know i don't even know what to tell people um
49:21
i wanna talk about rage racing no
49:25
i don't know what else is there you know what i'm done i i've had enough of this
49:29
week so goodbye
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forever until next week same bat time same bad channel goodbye
49:45
wow
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you