1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,800 will never get uploaded 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:10,480 i don't know about you but i'm having basically kind of the roughest week ever 3 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:14,160 we killed the dual socket board um Anthony 4 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:18,240 yeah you killed the dual socket board alex alex killed the dual socket board 5 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:22,960 Anthony got pulled out of the office on a particularly busy week 6 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:26,720 for an event that ended up being a complete and utter waste of time thank 7 00:00:25,519 --> 00:00:31,720 you Intel i i just you know it's funny 8 00:00:32,239 --> 00:00:41,040 to the average viewer out there there seems to be this perception 9 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:43,600 that when a company like 10 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:46,000 invites you to a product event that it's like 11 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:51,840 free travel you just got free traveling hotel you 12 00:00:48,480 --> 00:00:54,399 guys are so you guys sold out so hard 13 00:00:51,840 --> 00:01:00,399 like there's this perception but what they don't seem to realize 14 00:00:57,039 --> 00:01:02,079 is that it costs me money 15 00:01:00,399 --> 00:01:06,240 to have myself or someone else out of the office not 16 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:11,520 just money but time time that i might have spent with my family spent um 17 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:14,560 clipping one of my toenails that's a little long right now and is kind of 18 00:01:12,960 --> 00:01:18,400 catching on the inside of my sock and is a little uncomfortable you know the 19 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:21,680 things that things that we might have wanted to that i might have wanted to do 20 00:01:20,799 --> 00:01:27,759 um and in this case like i would i would actually prefer not just in this case 21 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:30,799 but in most cases i would strongly prefer 22 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:34,240 having a company get on the phone with me so i don't have to sit in an airport 23 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:39,119 for three hours sit on a plane for anywhere from you know two to five hours 24 00:01:37,119 --> 00:01:42,560 sit in an airport for another half an hour waiting for my baggage and then do 25 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:47,439 the whole thing all over again i would strongly prefer if they just got on a 26 00:01:44,320 --> 00:01:48,960 phone gave me a powerpoint presentation 27 00:01:47,439 --> 00:01:52,640 where i can understand the product and just sent one over so we can test it in 28 00:01:50,799 --> 00:01:56,640 the comfort of our lab with all of our equipment and all of our staff that we 29 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:59,360 can mount ideas off of all of that good stuff 30 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:03,520 and you haven't even mentioned the opportunity cost of Anthony not being 31 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:07,439 here Anthony being in an airport instead of being at his desk being productive 32 00:02:06,079 --> 00:02:09,840 exactly so 33 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:22,319 the audio issues persist is that why you're laughing slash dying 34 00:02:22,319 --> 00:02:28,160 if you think the audio's bad read my lips 35 00:02:26,319 --> 00:02:31,599 apparently it's very quiet because that's all you're getting 36 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:34,840 but we are we're we're getting all the way into the 37 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:39,680 yellow territory so i don't know what to tell 38 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:44,319 you i can't turn it out because it's gonna 39 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:49,040 clip i can't do anything 40 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:53,760 we're just gonna have to live with it this is your problem man turn it up and 41 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:57,280 when the ad comes on and blasts you and you get a noise complaint and a 42 00:02:55,280 --> 00:03:02,840 strata bill slash condo fee bill all right so anyway it has just been a rough week 43 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:08,400 having people out um uh ivan's sick this week um alex is 44 00:03:06,879 --> 00:03:13,360 gonna be out next week so one of the videos that he was supposed to get done this week but he was busy breaking a 45 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:16,720 motherboard didn't get done this week so it means we have to do more next week 46 00:03:15,599 --> 00:03:20,800 um next week i'm going to be out of the office two days actually we've got some 47 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:27,120 really cool videos that we're going to be shooting next week i love it when you're out of the office don't 48 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:30,159 okay well on one of the days i am actually going to be in the building i'm 49 00:03:28,319 --> 00:03:34,400 just going to be really busy so i don't know if you guys remember the murder box 50 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:41,760 yeah it was sort of an unfortunately named like boutique system integrator 51 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:45,599 that existed around eight nine years ago anyway um charles the guy who was 52 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:48,720 running it eventually decided to do just a case the 53 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:52,319 mdpcx no xforma okay whatever i can't remember 54 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:58,080 what it's called it's freaking awesome though it looks incredible so we've got a full system built up in it including 55 00:03:55,840 --> 00:04:02,400 metal hardline tubing metal hard line tubing with like these 56 00:04:00,159 --> 00:04:06,879 gorgeous bends and stuff and what we're going to be doing is we're going to have 57 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:09,599 him come into the studio 58 00:04:06,879 --> 00:04:14,959 and do like a tear down of it so it's going to be kind of like like 59 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:16,160 disassembling a supercar 60 00:04:14,959 --> 00:04:20,239 on camera it's going to be badass but like a super computer but not a super computer 61 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:25,040 because that's a specific thing and it isn't that when i first saw that system i was like 62 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:28,880 i didn't even know such things were possible like in gladiator when they see 63 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:34,320 when he sees the coliseum i didn't know men could build such things they weren't 64 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:34,320 pc in gladiator times 65 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:42,240 okay um so let's jump into our first topic of 66 00:04:39,280 --> 00:04:46,880 the day this one is uh we talked about it a fair bit last week apparently my 67 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:50,880 explanation of it was very confusing because a lot of the comments on the lan 68 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:53,520 show last week were just saying that people were having a really hard time 69 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:58,000 understanding what the crap it was that i was talking about exactly but the 70 00:04:55,280 --> 00:05:02,240 GeForce partner program NVIDIA is claiming that this is all about reducing 71 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:06,240 confusion for the consumer but according to an article written by 72 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:12,000 yano according to an article written by hart ocp it appears to be a means for 73 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:14,320 NVIDIA using its stranglehold over the 74 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:18,960 supply of the GPU chips that its partners need to survive 75 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:24,320 using that to basically force them to favor NVIDIA 76 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:29,919 products over AMD products in their marketing specifically in their 77 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:31,440 marketing that talks directly about 78 00:05:29,919 --> 00:05:35,280 gaming so 79 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:39,360 our source here is uh this was originally posted by cladson on the 80 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:44,000 forum and the original article is from reddit 81 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:48,560 seems to suggest although this is of course in r 82 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:52,720 AMD so take it for what it is 83 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:58,960 but seems to suggest that the first victim 84 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:04,800 of the GeForce partner program may have already been unveiled 85 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:07,440 so Gigabyte just introduced a new AMD 86 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:12,000 oriented external GPU box and the branding 87 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:15,039 is different from their other external 88 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:18,240 GPU box so we've actually got one of the 89 00:06:15,039 --> 00:06:21,680 gtx 1080 based ones and it uses the 90 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:25,199 aorus branding while these new AMD-based 91 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:28,639 ones wow this is like a 92 00:06:25,199 --> 00:06:32,160 how deep do i have to go in these links 93 00:06:28,639 --> 00:06:32,160 to find the actual 94 00:06:32,319 --> 00:06:40,080 where is the there you go if the branding isn't just 95 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:42,800 different it's just way way way more basic 96 00:06:41,199 --> 00:06:47,199 yeah so worse and 97 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:51,759 just rx 580. with that said it does have gaming 98 00:06:50,319 --> 00:06:57,680 in the title which hopefully is an indication that 99 00:06:55,520 --> 00:07:02,720 contrary to the rumor partners will at least be able to use 100 00:06:59,759 --> 00:07:06,720 like game or gaming in the branding for their AMD products 101 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:10,240 um that's a descriptive word isn't it MSI 102 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:16,000 that gaming is actually their line of gaming uh 103 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:18,240 yeah so they won't be able to do that well 104 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:22,639 or they'll have to take a little tm off the top of it yeah so the rumor was 105 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:29,039 though that NVIDIA would be forcing their partners to actually rename 106 00:07:26,479 --> 00:07:35,039 product lines that had gaming in them for products that were not GeForce 107 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:38,479 so it's still a work in progress though because if you look at some of the 108 00:07:36,639 --> 00:07:42,560 amazon links to these these products that have been otherwise d branded in 109 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:46,720 physical form the amazon titles still have those monikers in there and like i'm 110 00:07:45,599 --> 00:07:50,000 assuming they're going to be taken away eventually so maybe it's still 111 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:53,520 it's like a a roll out here that we're witnessing 112 00:07:52,160 --> 00:08:01,599 yeah so it looks like there's some things that still haven't been updated so some amazon product names apparently 113 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:04,960 have been updated now not for insignias 114 00:08:01,599 --> 00:08:06,960 like rog strix and MSI gaming 115 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:10,400 but for the actual product names themselves some have been updated and 116 00:08:09,199 --> 00:08:16,240 some of them haven't do you have any examples of that if you go to the forum thread there's a 117 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:19,199 bunch of examples now not just the aorus one all right let's go ahead and pull 118 00:08:17,919 --> 00:08:25,199 that up here so update number two yes MSI seems to 119 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:29,759 have removed all their gaming from AMD graphics cards only NVIDIA ones have the 120 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:35,599 gaming branding on them now uh let's see if we can find uh 121 00:08:33,279 --> 00:08:40,959 yeah this wow this thread is like really going here we go check this out 122 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:47,680 no so this is an example of one that has not been changed yet so ASUS rog strix 123 00:08:44,560 --> 00:08:49,519 Radeon rx 560. now with that said one of 124 00:08:47,680 --> 00:08:54,880 the things that i would have to wonder is that given the the the complicated 125 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:59,440 nature of updating the name of a product that's out there in the wild already 126 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:03,839 is it possible we're not seeing the full effect yet is it possible that NVIDIA 127 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:07,760 would be waiting for like the next rollout of products like probably like a 128 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:12,240 600 series graphics card how could you possibly retroactively like hey best buy 129 00:09:09,839 --> 00:09:16,959 hey walmart update your product names on your website i mean you could ask for it 130 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:21,360 but i mean but there's so many channels yeah there's i mean there's the websites 131 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:24,880 there's the little like tag on the actual shelf there's flyers that they 132 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:28,160 would be working out on there's all kinds of promotional materials that 133 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:33,360 would be very difficult to change and there's multiple marketplaces like amazon isn't even in australia 134 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:37,120 presumably australia has some other e-tailer that's big that they'd have to 135 00:09:35,839 --> 00:09:45,200 communicate with uh is pc pc case geared amazon pc uh 136 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:48,959 online retailer i'm trying to remember who the big ones are down there 137 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:52,880 wait why did i search for amazon australia 138 00:09:50,560 --> 00:09:56,880 this has just been australia's on such a week man 139 00:09:54,160 --> 00:10:01,120 like such a week scorptek is one of them that's uh one of 140 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:05,360 our mods on the forum used to work at scorptech but doesn't anymore so that's 141 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:08,800 that's really all i know about them did you used to be australian it isn't 142 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:12,800 anymore no no no still australian oh still super australian that can happen 143 00:10:10,959 --> 00:10:18,399 all right this was originally posted on the floor i have one question yes 144 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:22,079 there i had i saw some fear um you talked about 145 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:26,880 the the supply that NVIDIA has on the market being a bit of a stranglehold um 146 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:31,360 do you think that applies to people like us influencers and media who don't want 147 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:34,800 to speak out or disparage this move by NVIDIA because they're afraid that 148 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:39,360 they're not going to be sourced the gpus that they rely on to make 149 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:47,680 reviews and editorial content okay so that is a good question here's the thing 150 00:10:43,839 --> 00:10:49,519 NVIDIA has to if they're trying to 151 00:10:47,680 --> 00:10:56,000 create a competitive advantage for themselves they have to do so without creating a 152 00:10:53,440 --> 00:11:00,079 bunch of negative sentiment amongst the consumer base 153 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:05,600 sort of i'm not actually convinced like NVIDIA i i would describe as sort of um 154 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:12,079 not the individuals that i know there everyone that i know that works in NVIDIA i really like on a personal level 155 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:17,200 but to describe them corporately i would say they are a little bit arrogant 156 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:21,200 but i'm not necessarily saying that they 157 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:24,399 haven't uh that they haven't earned it in a sense 158 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:27,600 like comes with a market share yeah it comes with having what i think it's like 159 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:33,760 75 market share or something like that in discrete graphics and that's in terms of 160 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:37,040 unit sales not in terms of dollars 161 00:11:35,279 --> 00:11:40,560 which given that they have much higher end products than AMD has at this time 162 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:44,160 are pretty significantly different 163 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:48,320 um so 164 00:11:45,839 --> 00:11:51,760 i'm not saying that they haven't kind of kind of earned it 165 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:54,959 um but we are the stewards of that 166 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:59,200 sentiment right so here's the thing NVIDIA doesn't really have to care about 167 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:04,160 the sentiment now because at the end of the day 168 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:07,920 what else are you going to buy you know you can't find stock of 169 00:12:06,079 --> 00:12:13,600 anything so people are basically buying whatever they can get for one thing and 170 00:12:11,279 --> 00:12:17,519 for two NVIDIA is in a position where in certain segments they really are the 171 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:20,639 only product that makes any sense especially at the high end 172 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:27,600 so but but but with that said NVIDIA still seems to somewhat care about their 173 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:31,600 public image because you never know when AMD might turn around and release 174 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:36,240 something that turns the market on its head and if people had like this pent-up 175 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:38,959 negative sentiment towards NVIDIA it could 176 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:42,399 it could backfire on them then when you say at the high end what are you talking 177 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:45,040 about are you talking about hedt um 178 00:12:43,279 --> 00:12:49,760 yeah yeah i'm talking about well that's because if you're talking about only Intel uses that terminology oh okay yeah 179 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:53,120 if you're talking about server stuff then i don't does this really apply 180 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:57,200 because this is isn't this about consumer grade 181 00:12:55,440 --> 00:13:01,680 yeah no i'm talking about high end consumer i mean AMD doesn't have 182 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:04,480 anything competitive with the 1080 ti not even close 183 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:09,839 yeah yeah all right um and i mean as as for vega vega 56 and 184 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:13,440 vega 64 i mean even before the mining craze they they they weren't that 185 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:18,320 competitive like they were okay vegas 64 wasn't vega 186 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:22,959 56 was but you haven't been able to buy a vega 56 like what 187 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:27,040 where where are you supposed to get a vega 56 and you really think that 188 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:30,959 when they were deciding whether or not to to make this move and how to spin it 189 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:33,600 and whether or not it would give them bad press they thought you know what 190 00:13:32,639 --> 00:13:39,120 right now nobody can buy anything because of crypto they really considered the crypto 191 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:43,200 mania and the availability of gpus and they're like ah we can probably get away 192 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:47,440 with this i think so so so i think that the timing is a big part of it and then 193 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:52,399 i think the other thing is like why not try to get the press to buckle well it's 194 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:56,160 because they have far less of an impact on our livelihood than they do on their 195 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:59,519 partners who rely on them for chips like if um 196 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:04,079 so we i would be more worried about youtube 197 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:09,360 than i would about NVIDIA if youtube were the kind of company 198 00:14:05,839 --> 00:14:10,720 where i didn't feel like um 199 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:15,440 you know they they could accept criticism as it is you know i can i can 200 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:20,560 i can tell our youtube rep stuff that i hate about the platform to his face and 201 00:14:17,839 --> 00:14:23,680 his job anyway is to take that feedback and actually try and make it actionable 202 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:27,279 and try and try and improve things believe it or not youtube does actually 203 00:14:25,519 --> 00:14:32,240 care we're his client yeah it's it's 204 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:33,920 we're his client but he's also our 205 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:37,360 um you know that's that's actually an interesting way of looking at it so 206 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:42,160 we're his client but we're his client in a way where NVIDIA's clients 207 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:46,720 are are not as much because NVIDIA could just find someone else whereas once you 208 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:50,240 reach a certain point as a creator in much the same way that youtube doesn't 209 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:54,560 really focus much attention on the small creators that that are replaceable they 210 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:59,040 do focus attention on the big ones that are difficult to replace well i think from NVIDIA's perspective 211 00:14:57,519 --> 00:15:03,360 pretty much everyone can be replaced at this point 212 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:08,720 like they've literally done it xfx used to be a major NVIDIA partner especially 213 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:16,880 in north america back in the day um it was like 1-2 evga xfx 214 00:15:14,399 --> 00:15:22,959 now ever since xfx defected to AMD back in i think it was 215 00:15:19,519 --> 00:15:25,040 the 4 000 series days don't quote me on 216 00:15:22,959 --> 00:15:28,160 that might have been 3000 series anyway back then ever since then NVIDIA 217 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:32,079 basically went well okay 218 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:37,040 you know where if you're gonna defect if you're gonna go from being exclusive NVIDIA remember 219 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:40,560 this was at a time when NVIDIA was in pretty rough shape with some hot running 220 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:44,800 cards that didn't perform that well if you guys are going to turn tail and run 221 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:47,760 into the arms of AMD good good luck with that 222 00:15:46,399 --> 00:15:53,279 we'll just find someone else to replace you and they did when bfg disappeared so 223 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:56,720 bfg was another sort of top-tier partner for NVIDIA in north america 224 00:15:55,199 --> 00:16:02,800 one of their big things was that they offered a lifetime warranty when NVIDIA 225 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:05,120 dis or when bfd disappeared NVIDIA 226 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:09,759 didn't you know they didn't run out and try and find you know try and like 227 00:16:07,279 --> 00:16:13,360 quietly fund through you know venture capital someone to take over the brand 228 00:16:11,839 --> 00:16:18,000 and continue it they just kind of went ah then's the breaks and if you think 229 00:16:14,959 --> 00:16:20,480 about it that has been the strategy with 230 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:24,160 board partners since the dawn of time like i could probably name 231 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:28,399 half a dozen board partners off the top of my head who existed at one point at 232 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:31,839 least in north america and don't anymore let's try 233 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:35,279 well there's bfg so i already got that one 234 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:40,800 there is uh chain tech there's another one there is um 235 00:16:38,639 --> 00:16:46,160 let me think gain word there's another one gain word used to be like kind of 236 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:48,800 like halo halo tier products 237 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:53,360 a bit i think dabbled in gpus at one point they're gone entirely now from the 238 00:16:50,959 --> 00:16:57,120 motherboard business too dang is that all i got 239 00:16:55,440 --> 00:17:01,040 that's pretty good shoot i think that's all i've got um i mean and then there's 240 00:16:59,199 --> 00:17:04,559 like there's like the really old stuff like um 241 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:08,160 like back when like 3d Labs i think used to do graphics cards 242 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:13,839 but i don't think they ever did NVIDIA ones 243 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:16,720 feel 3d Labs creative did you create 244 00:17:13,839 --> 00:17:20,799 them before ati acquired fire gl diamond oh yeah diamond multimedia sorry that's 245 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:23,919 the one that i was thinking not 3d Labs diamond okay whatever that's five that's 246 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:28,559 five and i did have to google one of them so it's kind of cheating but that's not really the point the point is 247 00:17:26,959 --> 00:17:31,200 i think NVIDIA is in a position where they feel like they need their partners 248 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:35,520 a lot less than someone like youtube apparently does with us 249 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:41,120 so let's see how this continues to play out 250 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:44,160 so they still have that power and they don't really care it doesn't matter this 251 00:17:42,799 --> 00:17:48,799 the sentiment is a drop in the bucket compared to the power of their market position so 252 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:53,760 it doesn't yeah but i think that they are i think that they wouldn't also risk 253 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:57,280 going to press directly with some kind of uh with some kind of an agreement 254 00:17:55,679 --> 00:18:02,320 that you can only mention gaming with NVIDIA products and then a gag order if 255 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:06,000 you talk about it because if they ever showed something like that to anyone in 256 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:10,880 the press it would be out there yeah let's remember that it was AMD who originally 257 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:15,120 kind of leaked this or let it know because the press 258 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:19,120 has so much less to lose with NVIDIA like worst case scenario i've got to buy 259 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:23,280 a half a dozen graphics cards a year i mean at the rate that we're going lately 260 00:18:21,120 --> 00:18:27,039 with them releasing like two three graphics cards every year like 261 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:29,760 it's not even that bad it's like yeah sure whatever i'll go go buy a video 262 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:34,080 yeah i used to buy video cards but the price 263 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:38,000 of those video cards okay that's that's true 264 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:40,320 and Linus media groups bankrupt 265 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:44,960 had to buy three graphics cards golden really Colton's not fired he's laid off 266 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:50,160 yeah budget cuts man um 267 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:53,120 all right why don't we why don't we jump into one of our one of our quick ones i 268 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:57,760 want to talk about this one you want to talk about the first oh the self 269 00:18:56,080 --> 00:19:01,679 since it broke all right hold on we'll talk about that in a minute first we 270 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:05,120 gotta talk about our sponsors for the day 271 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:09,280 where's all our sponsor stuff i think they might be behind us you're a 272 00:19:06,799 --> 00:19:12,880 vegetarian right yeah so i'm the only one eating savage jerky today yeah 273 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:16,960 that's a real shame because it's pretty delicious yeah so i'm gonna i'm gonna 274 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:20,799 jump right into the savage jerky spot just because that's the that's 275 00:19:19,120 --> 00:19:23,760 like i'm actually not as hungry as i normally am on the lan show because i 276 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:28,799 was because you spent half of the lan show eating in people's ears 277 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:35,039 in 7.1 oh they sent so many packs of 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really good um and then they've also got 288 00:20:11,919 --> 00:20:17,360 super spicy ones like the ghost pepper one the reaper one 289 00:20:15,360 --> 00:20:21,919 um i'm also salivating for the record they also make barbecue sauce hot sauce 290 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:26,080 and a spice rub their carolina reaper hot sauce uses one of the hottest 291 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:29,360 peppers in the world i can attest to that the ghost pepper just kidding it's 292 00:20:27,919 --> 00:20:34,400 the carolina reaper duh it's called carolina reaper hot sauce um and you can 293 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:38,480 use offer code LTT to save 10 on all of their products 294 00:20:37,120 --> 00:20:44,159 that legitimately looks like a piece of bacon it is a piece of bacon what do you think it was oh 295 00:20:41,919 --> 00:20:47,600 well what's oh bacon jerky it's bacon jerky 296 00:20:45,120 --> 00:20:50,070 oh i didn't know that was a thing it's a thing 297 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:54,960 it's a good thing 298 00:20:54,960 --> 00:21:00,640 all right jumping into our next topic or into our next sponsor this is also a 299 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:04,880 good thing so ek 300 00:21:03,120 --> 00:21:08,640 has introduced the phoenix 301 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:14,320 and um if you had noticed that their previous modular water cooling system 302 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:17,919 sort of went away phoenix that name what does that mean 303 00:21:16,559 --> 00:21:22,720 kind of makes sense reborn right so this is their next 304 00:21:20,159 --> 00:21:26,880 generation improved aio water cooling solution it's designed around quick 305 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:30,640 disconnect couplings bringing a modular approach to connecting and expanding 306 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:34,880 your loop so it gives you the freedom to decide which components you want to cool 307 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:39,679 down with water and all the products not only come with the blocks and tubing all 308 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:44,720 pre-assembled they actually come pre-filled with water and really high 309 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:48,960 quality quick disconnects i believe these are from colder 310 00:21:47,120 --> 00:21:53,440 yeah i think that's what the company is called uh special connector that allows for 311 00:21:51,679 --> 00:21:57,679 yeah they don't actually say on it but i'm pretty sure when i looked into the 312 00:21:55,280 --> 00:22:01,919 best quick connects way back when i was doing um like system development back at 313 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:06,640 ncix i came across these they're super 314 00:22:03,919 --> 00:22:08,880 expensive but they're like they lose like 315 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:13,360 point one or like .01 mils or something like 316 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:17,039 that like when you take them apart basically just the surfaces are damp to 317 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:21,280 the touch and that's it wow and the flow drop is it's you know it's measurable 318 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:24,320 sure it's significant but it's it's not that bad compared to other designs it's 319 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:29,600 really cool it like bridges the gap between the super simple aio 320 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:33,120 to the more intense enthusiasts ones i like it so it's enthusiast performance 321 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:37,360 but with aio simplicity so they come pre-filled so you can just clip them 322 00:22:35,120 --> 00:22:41,600 together and the CPU cooling module and GPU cooling module can be connected to 323 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:45,559 the radiator core module in any order separately or together so you can check 324 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:50,640 them out at ek ekwb.com or through the link in the 325 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,640 video description 326 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:57,440 bringing us to our last sponsor wait where did where did this thing go it's 327 00:22:54,720 --> 00:23:01,679 behind you it is yes oh and behind me as well are you gonna 328 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:05,520 are you gonna do the demo like is this set up i think the plan is to do a demo 329 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:11,200 oh okay oh well is this is this spoiling the video 330 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:15,360 all right no fine do it do it do it do it okay 331 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:22,240 so our third sponsor for today is sewell direct their hd link hl24 HDMI over any 332 00:23:19,679 --> 00:23:26,000 two conductors product allows you to use whatever cable you've already got 333 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:29,760 somewhere like maybe you've already got wires running 334 00:23:27,679 --> 00:23:34,640 through a wall or whatever you can use any two cables to send an HDMI signal 335 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:38,960 it's got up to a two mile range with a good conductor and it can work on 336 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:44,080 literally anything that is conductive so james is 337 00:23:41,679 --> 00:23:48,799 about to demo it we hope in water 338 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:52,000 so we've got a laptop behind me james is in the way of it so it's kind 339 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:55,600 of hard for you guys to see i think you just can't see it it's way 340 00:23:53,760 --> 00:24:00,400 over there oh well you can see the keyboard there you got a laptop 341 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:05,400 we've got a wire right here going into a tray of water 342 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:05,400 and then we've got 343 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:10,799 blinky green light is this just on the wrong input it could 344 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:14,080 be and then we've got james trying to do a live demo anytime you try and do a 345 00:24:12,159 --> 00:24:19,760 live demo it doesn't work it's like it's got to be like some kind of law 346 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:23,679 Colton did you uh actually do this 347 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,679 that's not Colton that was taren 348 00:24:25,360 --> 00:24:32,720 well that might be your problem it wasn't even set to duplicate oh 349 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:35,600 well now i changed it it should be HDMI 350 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:45,360 moving on well we've got a video coming where we 351 00:24:43,679 --> 00:24:48,799 did have it working it's receiving signal the problem is the 352 00:24:47,279 --> 00:24:52,640 monitor that's weird why let's see that see that 353 00:24:50,799 --> 00:24:55,919 beautiful green blinky light yeah no that's definitely worth it's getting 354 00:24:53,840 --> 00:25:00,600 enough for sure oh here we go yeah i don't know that's because i power 355 00:24:57,120 --> 00:25:00,600 cycled oh 356 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:06,080 no i don't know i don't know why it's not working is it trying to run it not 357 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:08,559 1080p or something like i don't know i don't know what's going on here all 358 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:13,200 right in the meantime why don't i do another topic do you want to do you want to try and fix it or 359 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:15,840 oh oh we've got the monitor we used yesterday right there 360 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:21,679 cool all right 361 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:26,000 next up this is apparently old news but the xbox 362 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:30,880 one is getting freesync the original article here is from forbes 363 00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:35,600 let's go ahead and pull that up and this is 364 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:40,400 absolutely huge news from my perspective i'm so thrilled about this because on 365 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:43,520 the pc side of things if you're not able to hit 60 frames per second 366 00:25:42,559 --> 00:25:49,360 then okay like that sucks but 367 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:53,279 worst case scenario there is a solution you can spend more money i guess and i 368 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:58,240 know that's one of the criticisms of pc gaming is that it's kind of a sinkhole 369 00:25:56,080 --> 00:26:01,200 when it comes to how much you can end up spending on it 370 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:05,679 but at least there is a solution with a 371 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:10,400 console if you want to play some kind of a console exclusive and it happens to 372 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:16,000 have you know hitches in the animations or it happens to not run 373 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:17,840 completely smoothly at 60fps some games 374 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:21,600 are coming out that do actually allow you to alter the detail levels but not 375 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:27,360 everything does so this is great the xbox one s and the 376 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:33,760 xbox one x are both going to get free sync support so on a supported display 377 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:36,080 with HDMI 2.1 you'll be able to use 378 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:40,960 freesync 2 which means that if you get a dip in your frame rate the tv's refresh 379 00:26:38,559 --> 00:26:47,279 rate will actually drop to match it perfectly which has a real world 380 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:51,520 very significant benefit to the smoothness of the animations 381 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:56,480 now right now james when we recorded this initially 382 00:26:54,559 --> 00:27:00,159 the first time because we had to restart the show a couple of 383 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:06,240 times due to audio issues james brought up that right now there are no tvs on 384 00:27:02,559 --> 00:27:08,080 the market with support for the HDMI 2.1 385 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:14,080 but you know from my perspective you have to start somewhere and 386 00:27:11,279 --> 00:27:19,039 i mean i would i i yeah okay so that is a bit of a drag 387 00:27:17,039 --> 00:27:23,360 i'll give you that but you got to start somewhere and at least this gives us an 388 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:28,559 opportunity to move towards that in the future i mean especially trying to run 389 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:33,760 like games at 4k on you know nothing against the xbox one 390 00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:38,640 x great console got a really positive review here but trying to run games at 391 00:27:35,279 --> 00:27:40,720 4k on anything is demanding right now 392 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:45,120 and trying to run them on the xbox one x is well particularly demanding 393 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:50,799 um so this this has the potential to be a real game changer in terms of animation 394 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:53,600 smoothness on consoles that actually leads kind of nicely into another topic 395 00:27:52,400 --> 00:28:00,159 we have here which is that the NVIDIA g-sync 4k 144 396 00:27:57,679 --> 00:28:05,600 hertz monitors that you may have seen at ces last year in 2017 397 00:28:02,799 --> 00:28:10,480 uh but which were subsequently delayed are supposed to finally being being 398 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:14,159 released in april but the question why i think this there 399 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:17,679 was a good segue there is like what the heck what card are you going to 400 00:28:15,919 --> 00:28:23,919 use to run something in 4k at 144 hertz 401 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:25,520 right now the only oh at 144 hertz oh 402 00:28:23,919 --> 00:28:29,279 nothing like you're not going to get anything yeah it's the frame rate that 403 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:32,880 high to use it's kind of a funny product because it's like 404 00:28:30,559 --> 00:28:36,720 it's kind of like the product for no one so it's 405 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:40,399 high frame rate or a high refresh rate for like esports titles 406 00:28:38,799 --> 00:28:45,600 but then no one playing league of legends 407 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:51,120 is actually running at 4k like you you just you just wouldn't do that 408 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:54,399 why would you like i i would rather if i was a pro 409 00:28:53,200 --> 00:29:00,000 gamer if i was a pro gamer i'm not if i was i 410 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:02,480 would rather have 240 hertz 411 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:07,520 at 1080p and from my understanding a lot of pros 412 00:29:05,279 --> 00:29:11,440 don't actually prefer these gigantic large format displays because it 413 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:16,240 actually makes it so that they can't see everything that they need to see at once 414 00:29:14,559 --> 00:29:20,000 it seems to me like it's just the first product that has 415 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:23,440 this suite of features that they're all going to have eventually 416 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:26,159 they're just first yeah and then sort of the flip side of 417 00:29:25,039 --> 00:29:31,200 that is if you're more into like the sightseeing games you don't need the refresh rate 418 00:29:29,679 --> 00:29:36,960 you don't need that refresh rate because you're not going to be running those kinds of games at more than like 419 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:40,799 60 frames per second no with that said though 420 00:29:38,559 --> 00:29:44,640 we don't know how the upcoming gpus whether it be they ampere or volta or 421 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:48,640 whatever NVIDIA ends up calling their gtx 422 00:29:46,279 --> 00:29:52,000 22000 series i guess whatever they end up calling them 423 00:29:50,159 --> 00:29:55,840 we don't know how powerful they're gonna they're gonna be so that might be 424 00:29:55,919 --> 00:30:03,520 even the maple buffalo bacon's got a little bit of spice and it kind of went down my windpipe there i'm good i'm okay 425 00:30:01,679 --> 00:30:06,960 i'm not gonna die on lanchow i don't know if you know anything about why 426 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:11,279 these monitors were delayed but could it have been to do with the HDMI 2.1 spec 427 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:15,679 like is this thing going to use two cables or one these are displayport so 428 00:30:14,159 --> 00:30:20,159 as far as i know and this is just based on rumors that i 429 00:30:17,919 --> 00:30:24,799 read on the internet as far as i know it has to do with delays to NVIDIA's uh 430 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:28,960 latest g-sync module okay you know what i think a giveaway 431 00:30:26,799 --> 00:30:34,320 was 144 hertz correct me if i'm wrong but i think even HDMI 2.1 is maxed out 432 00:30:32,159 --> 00:30:39,120 at 120. that might be right fact check that i'm 433 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:43,679 still alive i'm still alive everyone's like rip ltd in the chat no i'm still 434 00:30:41,279 --> 00:30:43,679 alive 435 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:50,399 i'm okay oh man 436 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:56,080 all right in the meantime why don't we go on to 437 00:30:53,200 --> 00:31:00,640 your big your big topic here well so this happened uh this was posted 438 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:05,279 by delicious on the forum the original article here 439 00:31:02,159 --> 00:31:06,720 is from rt.com 440 00:31:05,279 --> 00:31:11,840 the first pedestrian death 441 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:18,640 has been not just like has not just happened but has been recorded 442 00:31:15,919 --> 00:31:21,600 from a self-driving car well naturally the thing 443 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:24,640 is actually driving because of the cameras 444 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:30,480 this is really sad so 49 year old elaine herzberg was struck by a self-driving 445 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:35,279 uber uh last sunday night at 10 p.m it was dark out 446 00:31:33,919 --> 00:31:39,360 she was crossing the street with her bike in tempe arizona naturally a lot of 447 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:43,519 these self-driving car testing projects are in arizona they made some attractive 448 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:47,360 terms for to attract companies and they have pretty nice weather it's kind of 449 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:52,720 easier the car was going 40 miles per hour an 450 00:31:49,919 --> 00:31:59,039 hour which is 65 kilometers and this is an suv it's a volvo 451 00:31:54,679 --> 00:32:01,120 xc90 suv so there was a backup safety 452 00:31:59,039 --> 00:32:03,200 net kind of driver a human driver in the vehicle 453 00:32:02,399 --> 00:32:10,080 and when the story broke we didn't have the footage of what the camera saw 454 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:13,360 um the dash cam footage as it were so we we didn't know 455 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:16,960 why didn't the backup driver react why didn't the human driver hit the brakes 456 00:32:15,279 --> 00:32:20,960 how was it possible that this woman was struck um 457 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:25,360 the original details were just like irrelevant things like it was dark out 458 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:29,440 and she wasn't at a cross rock neither of those have any impact or whether or 459 00:32:27,039 --> 00:32:33,760 not the car should stop so velodyne lidar said it won't be 460 00:32:31,679 --> 00:32:37,760 advising its customers to halt tests in the wake of this death because they 461 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:42,720 don't believe the accident was due to the lidar which often it works even 462 00:32:40,559 --> 00:32:46,559 better at night due to less interference there's less noise they think it's 463 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:50,559 possible they don't design the software uber does so it's possible that 464 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:55,840 it's how the data was handled in the software end it's still unknown why the 465 00:32:52,399 --> 00:32:57,760 car didn't stop when the dash cam 466 00:32:55,840 --> 00:33:01,440 footage was released it became clear that there was 467 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:05,279 if the dash cam footage looks like what it really looked like that night there's 468 00:33:03,039 --> 00:33:09,519 no way a human could have reacted she basically 469 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:13,679 is not there and then there like she is crossing the street like in a shadow or 470 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:17,039 something like that and even though the driver there's interior car footage and 471 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:21,120 you can see that the driver is looking down and not paying attention um 472 00:33:19,679 --> 00:33:26,240 even if they were paying attention there's nothing they could do and a lot of the media was focusing on the driver 473 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:29,840 and how this person has like a previous criminal record and whether or not 474 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:33,519 uber's like policies like should have hired them it's completely irrelevant 475 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:40,640 what we're wondering now is like obviously this is a big setback for the 476 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:45,360 self-driving car community industry and and what's going to happen 477 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:47,679 in california california was about to 478 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:51,679 initiate programs like this there so it might take a little longer so uber has 479 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:55,840 halted tests in san francisco phoenix pittsburgh and toronto 480 00:33:53,679 --> 00:33:59,279 um man like so here's the thing on the one 481 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:03,120 hand you're gonna have the uh i forget the 482 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:08,320 terms for them but you're gonna have the the the pragmatists that are going to go 483 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:12,560 well you know what's one human life in the grand scheme of how many can be 484 00:34:10,079 --> 00:34:15,119 saved in an autonomous future but on the other hand 485 00:34:14,240 --> 00:34:23,839 thank you but on the other hand if this was like my kid 486 00:34:21,359 --> 00:34:28,720 like there's no no amount of no no amount of like other people getting to 487 00:34:26,079 --> 00:34:33,440 survive in the future does anything to make this any better for me 488 00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:36,639 and from my perspective like i'm reading an article like this and this is as 489 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:40,960 someone who really wants to see self-driving cars 490 00:34:38,240 --> 00:34:43,440 succeed and wants to buy one as soon as humanly possible 491 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:48,320 um i'm glad they're not allowing testing here in my neighborhood 492 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:53,200 you know as soon as i read this i go well i'm glad this is being i'm glad someone else is the guinea pig 493 00:34:51,839 --> 00:34:58,720 and maybe that's the wrong way to think about it but well this is exactly why i said her name 494 00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:03,599 and age in the story here because when i posted this on my twitter when it first 495 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,720 broke it was like i expected 496 00:35:03,599 --> 00:35:08,240 a lot more varied comments than i got the only 497 00:35:06,720 --> 00:35:14,839 comments were like you know in the future it'll be good 498 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,839 but this is like a real person 499 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:23,040 so regardless needless to say say the uh tests that occur without a driver 500 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:26,400 present in the car which are i believe legally allowed in arizona yeah but 501 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:30,760 we're on the cusp of being allowed in california are gonna be delayed 502 00:35:33,599 --> 00:35:41,520 man that's rough uh in other news 503 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:46,240 what else do we got oh congress passes sesta slash foster 504 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:50,640 which sounds like uh like like 505 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:54,320 kind of like a hip bill it's like a foster bill you know it's 506 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:56,880 like pretty fast you man yeah fossa actually we should start using it as 507 00:35:55,599 --> 00:36:02,000 like a cuss word yo that's pretty fast it's on 508 00:35:59,119 --> 00:36:07,280 okay i'm down yeah i think foster should mean good and jibo 509 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:10,079 means bad like oh that is some foster no you think it's good 510 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:16,800 cesta yeah i could see sesame spice like 511 00:36:14,079 --> 00:36:16,800 that's sister 512 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:23,440 you're just saying it like zesty yeah but it's cesta you know cessna okay 513 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:30,079 yeah no come on man this is a bill that ostensibly 514 00:36:27,119 --> 00:36:33,040 curbs online sex trafficking um but there are some critics that say it's 515 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:37,040 going to increase online censorship stifle innovation and make everyone less 516 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:41,440 safe online so congress passed it just they're just 517 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:45,520 waiting for president trump's signature for it to become a law i i can't imagine 518 00:36:44,079 --> 00:36:50,880 him not signing anything that he can list in like his 519 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:54,800 accomplishments like i actually think he would sign 520 00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:58,960 anything mind you with that said i think the the news that i looked at most 521 00:36:56,720 --> 00:37:03,040 recently said that he might not sign the the bill that funds the government for 522 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:06,560 the next year or whatever the omnibus bill or whatever they're calling it 523 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:09,280 right um anyway whole other whole other conversation 524 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:15,040 so here's here's the here's the issue that 525 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:18,240 that okay so on the one hand if we're actually preventing human trafficking 526 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:24,800 by um by creating what is in effect sort of uh 527 00:37:23,599 --> 00:37:29,119 um a responsibility 528 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:34,640 on these websites for the content that be is being posted by third parties if 529 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:40,240 if we are actually helping people by doing that that's a good thing 530 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:43,839 the problem is that what this creates is 531 00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:46,400 a burden on website owners and operators 532 00:37:43,839 --> 00:37:50,880 to be responsible for everything that is posted on their site not just everything 533 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:56,160 that is present on their sites on an ongoing basis but everything that is 534 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:59,520 posted on their sites and as someone who hosts 535 00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:06,480 a user submitted content forum i can tell you 536 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:10,480 right now it is basically freaking 537 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:13,520 impossible to police every single thing 538 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:16,160 that someone might post on a website 539 00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:20,160 craigslist has already removed its personal section for fear of a cesta 540 00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:24,800 transgression that would affect the entire site which demonstrates right 541 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:29,760 there that the community is interpreting this as too heavy of a touch to 542 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:33,040 to want to risk to eat yeah to even want to 543 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:37,359 want to like have a chance of running a foul of and that's a big part of their 544 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:40,960 website the personals ad is not a trivial part of craigslist really tell 545 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:45,200 me more oh you know there's uh 546 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,200 that's how we met 547 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:51,920 no i don't think we posted our a job posting on craigslist and it certainly 548 00:38:49,359 --> 00:38:54,240 wasn't impersonal job posting um 549 00:38:54,720 --> 00:39:01,359 oh boy and then so the argument though is that well you 550 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:06,000 know if you have a site you should be responsible for what's on it 551 00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:11,119 and so you know companies like facebook or twitter for example might be able to 552 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:15,440 build um you know ai or algorithmic protection mechanisms to keep offensive 553 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:20,480 content from being posted but one of the arguments against cestus that says it 554 00:39:18,079 --> 00:39:24,400 could stifle innovation is that small companies like say for example 555 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:30,480 Floatplane media inc might know what's that 556 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:32,640 might not have access to expert lawyers 557 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:38,320 and the same kinds of monitoring algorithms that a large company would 558 00:39:35,839 --> 00:39:43,440 and might just run the risk of having to say you know what look we 559 00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:47,920 can't afford to get buried in legal fees because we're like 560 00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:51,040 enabling online sex trafficking because like something went up on our 561 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:56,400 site and we didn't see it for 20 minutes um and they might just shut down 562 00:39:54,000 --> 00:40:00,800 which could hurt the ability of the next facebook competitor to spring up out of 563 00:39:59,119 --> 00:40:04,480 nowhere which i mean you know i don't think anyone sees anything on the 564 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:08,640 horizon like that but putting more barriers in place is not the solution 565 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:14,160 and and i can tell you right now like it's already challenging so flow plane 566 00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:18,640 had a heck of a time getting credit card payments approved 567 00:40:16,079 --> 00:40:22,560 first the payment processor and this is all because of their underwriting bank 568 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:26,800 that was requesting all this crap and i'm gonna say i'm going what what do you 569 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:31,440 guys care anyway blockchain so they're so their payment processor wanted to see 570 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:36,240 a finished site before they would give us access to the 571 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:38,560 actual API hooks to integrate into the site a bit of a chicken and egg thing 572 00:40:37,359 --> 00:40:43,680 isn't it bit of a chicken and egg thing like what are you going to develop a whole site and then have a payment 573 00:40:41,119 --> 00:40:47,280 process or go and say you know that blue that's a little too 574 00:40:45,359 --> 00:40:51,760 blue um you know what we're going to pass we're 575 00:40:49,359 --> 00:40:56,079 just going to pass so they wanted that then we had to get on this conference 576 00:40:53,520 --> 00:41:01,920 call with them where we had to explain a couple of things number one 577 00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:04,400 is how we were going to um 578 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:09,040 right how we were going to monitor user posted content and we're kind of sitting 579 00:41:06,079 --> 00:41:09,040 here going well like 580 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:15,359 it's it's it's us like our sister company and 581 00:41:13,119 --> 00:41:18,839 like our friend kyle that are uploading to it right now like 582 00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:23,119 i don't think this is going to be an issue but that count like comments are 583 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:28,400 under that umbrella are they not yes but comments are a little bit easier 584 00:41:25,839 --> 00:41:32,839 to moderate because you can but again though it comes down to 585 00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:37,839 imposing on websites um the the the restriction that you'll 586 00:41:36,319 --> 00:41:41,119 just have to kind of uh narrow down like you'll you'll have 587 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:45,359 to effectively make the comments a little less open and a little less free 588 00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:49,520 because we could crack down on uh people being able to post uh gifs for example 589 00:41:48,079 --> 00:41:54,800 or we could crack down on people being able to post links links those are those 590 00:41:51,839 --> 00:42:00,560 are pretty easy ways to keep um you know sex traffic and a spam filter for 591 00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:04,160 certain addiction yep um but but that will that will make an effect our 592 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:07,760 comments more censored than we otherwise might have preferred to have them 593 00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:11,440 um so anyway the other then the other thing they wanted to know is what our 594 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:13,599 plan was to keep adult content off the site and we're kind of sitting here 595 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:17,280 going look i'm not going to name any names because i'm just 596 00:42:15,599 --> 00:42:22,000 it's just been it has really been that kind of week um my week's been fine i don't great 597 00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:27,200 good so i just don't like i don't want to i want to get into it but we're kind of 598 00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:30,960 going okay a there's nothing on your terms of service this is anything about 599 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:33,599 adult content for one thing to which their response was well we can't keep 600 00:42:32,319 --> 00:42:38,000 our terms of service updated at all times and kind of go what are you talking about they're like well you know 601 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:42,240 that's why we have us to explain the internal terms of service to people and 602 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:49,119 i'm like so you have internal terms of service and external terms of service 603 00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:52,800 here's an idea why don't you just have one terms of service well what else is 604 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:57,359 on that internal terms of service great question what did what a tremendous question so 605 00:42:55,440 --> 00:43:02,240 glad you asked what a great audience yeah um 606 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:07,359 and so we want one okay you don't have that in your terms of service and two we 607 00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:12,400 know for a fact that there's at least one major site that does offer adult 608 00:43:11,119 --> 00:43:18,079 content that uses you as a payment processor 609 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:23,760 and has for years maybe that's why what is the deal 610 00:43:21,119 --> 00:43:27,280 and anyway after the whole the whole entire 611 00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:31,520 interview process we did manage to get approved we're getting the code 612 00:43:28,720 --> 00:43:36,480 integrated naturally the sandbox apis totally 613 00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:38,160 doesn't jive with the actual one so it 614 00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:41,680 wasn't just plug and play like it's supposed to be 615 00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:45,280 but that's why luke's not here he's working on that right now but we're 616 00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:49,599 hoping to have credit card processing working pretty soon but but anyway 617 00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:53,599 coming back to sesta foster um 618 00:43:51,119 --> 00:44:00,800 the issue here is that putting more barriers in in the way of small online 619 00:43:57,119 --> 00:44:03,280 companies has a real impact like every 620 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:06,240 week that we spend [ __ ] around with some kind of 621 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:11,359 regulatory thing is another week that we can't be 622 00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:17,520 developing products and services that make creators and their viewers happy 623 00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:18,800 and it's very frustrating with that said 624 00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:24,000 you know the human trafficking is a travesty and a 625 00:44:22,240 --> 00:44:26,960 living nightmare for the people that are involved in it 626 00:44:25,359 --> 00:44:33,119 well on the one end of it not the other end i don't think i think they're prob they probably sleep fine at night um 627 00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:36,560 somehow and you know you want to see something 628 00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:38,880 done about it but it just doesn't really seem like 629 00:44:38,079 --> 00:44:43,599 this is it 630 00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:47,440 here's another non-answer or a non-way to go this is kind of 631 00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:52,240 related have you seen this this is state legislation pending in rhode island 632 00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:58,160 which would force internet service providers to block sexual content by 633 00:44:55,119 --> 00:45:00,079 default until the internet user does 634 00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:04,800 the following requests in writing that the capability 635 00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:09,119 be disabled presents identification to verify that that particular user is 18 636 00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:13,119 years old or older acknowledges receiving like you've got to wait for 637 00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:16,400 something to mail that receive a written warning regarding the potential danger 638 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:22,000 of deactivating the digital blocking capability of this uh sexual content and 639 00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:25,920 pays 20 bucks as a digital access fee i don't know 640 00:45:23,839 --> 00:45:30,240 about you but if i really wanted to look at porn on the internet 641 00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:33,359 a i wouldn't pay 20 for it and b i could not wait that long 642 00:45:33,359 --> 00:45:37,440 and yes we did talk about this last week 643 00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:46,960 all right well it still sucks especially for anyone in rhode island 644 00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:51,440 all right so this was posted by sc2 mitch on the 645 00:45:50,319 --> 00:45:57,520 forum elon musk has gotten involved in hashtag 646 00:45:55,760 --> 00:46:00,319 delete facebook no way 647 00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:05,359 so the original article here is from the guardian hit us with the facts on this one well 648 00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:09,680 this is laser james this is the deep context source this is like if you don't 649 00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:14,480 know why facebook's in trouble to begin with we're going here 650 00:46:12,319 --> 00:46:18,960 so what happened was facebook sees itself as a platform instead of just an 651 00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:23,359 ad company so they don't care about giving away tons of personal data which 652 00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:26,480 would be very valuable to an ad company like google they don't mind giving that 653 00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:30,400 away to developers who are going to develop facebook apps because they want 654 00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:34,640 to be a platform like microsoft so what they did starting around 2010 was if 655 00:46:32,720 --> 00:46:38,160 you're building an app for facebook you can get access to a ton of profile data 656 00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:42,319 and not just data from the people who use these apps 657 00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:47,280 but data from their friends so what happened was a psychologist professor at 658 00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:51,680 cambridge made an app paid a couple hundred thousand people to 659 00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:57,280 take a survey which is what the app was for thereby getting access to all those 660 00:46:54,960 --> 00:47:00,880 users data on facebook and all their friends which amounted to about 50 661 00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:03,599 million different profiles worth of personal data 662 00:47:02,240 --> 00:47:09,440 that data then was against facebook terms of service 663 00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:10,640 given to cambridge analytica a company 664 00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:15,119 it's against the terms of service because once you get this data you're not allowed to use it for any 665 00:47:13,359 --> 00:47:20,640 advertising purpose which is what cambridge analytica ended up doing they 666 00:47:17,119 --> 00:47:22,319 use it to make highly targeted ads 667 00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:27,920 to target these people in a very specific way all these 50 million people 668 00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:30,160 they served 10 000 different nuanced ads 669 00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:34,880 to to kind of uh sway the american election 670 00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:39,359 well attempt to attempt to sway it we can't prove it worked we don't know 671 00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:43,520 we're not experts so now this has all come to light 672 00:47:41,119 --> 00:47:46,720 facebook's in trouble a famous hashtag delete facebook has been started by uh 673 00:47:45,599 --> 00:47:52,640 one of the people who benefited tremendously from facebook the founder 674 00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:56,160 one of the co-founders of whatsapp brian acton 675 00:47:53,599 --> 00:48:00,319 um he started delete facebook he and then elon musk got called out 676 00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:05,760 about the delete facebook hashtag and he said 677 00:48:02,720 --> 00:48:07,520 oh that exists okay 678 00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:11,440 let's just take down our spacex and test the facebook pages which they've done 679 00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:16,640 and we don't know if musk is trolling because he kind of does that or if he 680 00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,640 believes in the cause or what 681 00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,680 in other news 682 00:48:20,720 --> 00:48:25,359 we got wrecked by gamer's nexus what the heck 683 00:48:25,599 --> 00:48:32,079 what are you talking about look at this we were number five 684 00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:36,319 reserve gunslinger and gamers nexus all knocked us off of the of the leaderboard 685 00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:41,839 for the NVIDIA titan v what leaderboard is this 686 00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:45,040 this is 3d mark time spy extreme oh 687 00:48:41,839 --> 00:48:45,040 that red bastard 688 00:48:46,079 --> 00:48:51,359 well no promises that we'll take another 689 00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:54,559 crack at it but uh i don't like seeing i don't like seeing 690 00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:58,480 that canadian flag all the way down there 691 00:48:56,319 --> 00:49:03,240 that's no fun that's weak sorry this everyone's top seven baby never yet 692 00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:10,400 ah so no no comments on the facebook thing 693 00:49:08,720 --> 00:49:14,800 okay that was quite a segway you just handed me um no i don't i don't really have 694 00:49:13,119 --> 00:49:17,760 anything to say on that one apparently the audio is a mess again i don't even 695 00:49:16,720 --> 00:49:23,520 know i don't even know what to tell people um 696 00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:27,200 i wanna talk about rage racing no 697 00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:32,000 i don't know what else is there you know what i'm done i i've had enough of this 698 00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:35,760 week so goodbye 699 00:49:33,359 --> 00:49:41,840 forever until next week same bat time same bad channel goodbye 700 00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:48,280 wow 701 00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:04,480 you