will never get uploaded
i don't know about you but i'm having basically kind of the roughest week ever
we killed the dual socket board um Anthony
yeah you killed the dual socket board alex alex killed the dual socket board
Anthony got pulled out of the office on a particularly busy week
for an event that ended up being a complete and utter waste of time thank
you Intel i i just you know it's funny
to the average viewer out there there seems to be this perception
that when a company like
invites you to a product event that it's like
free travel you just got free traveling hotel you
guys are so you guys sold out so hard
like there's this perception but what they don't seem to realize
is that it costs me money
to have myself or someone else out of the office not
just money but time time that i might have spent with my family spent um
clipping one of my toenails that's a little long right now and is kind of
catching on the inside of my sock and is a little uncomfortable you know the
things that things that we might have wanted to that i might have wanted to do
um and in this case like i would i would actually prefer not just in this case
but in most cases i would strongly prefer
having a company get on the phone with me so i don't have to sit in an airport
for three hours sit on a plane for anywhere from you know two to five hours
sit in an airport for another half an hour waiting for my baggage and then do
the whole thing all over again i would strongly prefer if they just got on a
phone gave me a powerpoint presentation
where i can understand the product and just sent one over so we can test it in
the comfort of our lab with all of our equipment and all of our staff that we
can mount ideas off of all of that good stuff
and you haven't even mentioned the opportunity cost of Anthony not being
here Anthony being in an airport instead of being at his desk being productive
exactly so
the audio issues persist is that why you're laughing slash dying
if you think the audio's bad read my lips
apparently it's very quiet because that's all you're getting
but we are we're we're getting all the way into the
yellow territory so i don't know what to tell
you i can't turn it out because it's gonna
clip i can't do anything
we're just gonna have to live with it this is your problem man turn it up and
when the ad comes on and blasts you and you get a noise complaint and a
strata bill slash condo fee bill all right so anyway it has just been a rough week
having people out um uh ivan's sick this week um alex is
gonna be out next week so one of the videos that he was supposed to get done this week but he was busy breaking a
motherboard didn't get done this week so it means we have to do more next week
um next week i'm going to be out of the office two days actually we've got some
really cool videos that we're going to be shooting next week i love it when you're out of the office don't
okay well on one of the days i am actually going to be in the building i'm
just going to be really busy so i don't know if you guys remember the murder box
yeah it was sort of an unfortunately named like boutique system integrator
that existed around eight nine years ago anyway um charles the guy who was
running it eventually decided to do just a case the
mdpcx no xforma okay whatever i can't remember
what it's called it's freaking awesome though it looks incredible so we've got a full system built up in it including
metal hardline tubing metal hard line tubing with like these
gorgeous bends and stuff and what we're going to be doing is we're going to have
him come into the studio
and do like a tear down of it so it's going to be kind of like like
disassembling a supercar
on camera it's going to be badass but like a super computer but not a super computer
because that's a specific thing and it isn't that when i first saw that system i was like
i didn't even know such things were possible like in gladiator when they see
when he sees the coliseum i didn't know men could build such things they weren't
pc in gladiator times
okay um so let's jump into our first topic of
the day this one is uh we talked about it a fair bit last week apparently my
explanation of it was very confusing because a lot of the comments on the lan
show last week were just saying that people were having a really hard time
understanding what the crap it was that i was talking about exactly but the
GeForce partner program NVIDIA is claiming that this is all about reducing
confusion for the consumer but according to an article written by
yano according to an article written by hart ocp it appears to be a means for
NVIDIA using its stranglehold over the
supply of the GPU chips that its partners need to survive
using that to basically force them to favor NVIDIA
products over AMD products in their marketing specifically in their
marketing that talks directly about
gaming so
our source here is uh this was originally posted by cladson on the
forum and the original article is from reddit
seems to suggest although this is of course in r
AMD so take it for what it is
but seems to suggest that the first victim
of the GeForce partner program may have already been unveiled
so Gigabyte just introduced a new AMD
oriented external GPU box and the branding
is different from their other external
GPU box so we've actually got one of the
gtx 1080 based ones and it uses the
aorus branding while these new AMD-based
ones wow this is like a
how deep do i have to go in these links
to find the actual
where is the there you go if the branding isn't just
different it's just way way way more basic
yeah so worse and
just rx 580. with that said it does have gaming
in the title which hopefully is an indication that
contrary to the rumor partners will at least be able to use
like game or gaming in the branding for their AMD products
um that's a descriptive word isn't it MSI
that gaming is actually their line of gaming uh
yeah so they won't be able to do that well
or they'll have to take a little tm off the top of it yeah so the rumor was
though that NVIDIA would be forcing their partners to actually rename
product lines that had gaming in them for products that were not GeForce
so it's still a work in progress though because if you look at some of the
amazon links to these these products that have been otherwise d branded in
physical form the amazon titles still have those monikers in there and like i'm
assuming they're going to be taken away eventually so maybe it's still
it's like a a roll out here that we're witnessing
yeah so it looks like there's some things that still haven't been updated so some amazon product names apparently
have been updated now not for insignias
like rog strix and MSI gaming
but for the actual product names themselves some have been updated and
some of them haven't do you have any examples of that if you go to the forum thread there's a
bunch of examples now not just the aorus one all right let's go ahead and pull
that up here so update number two yes MSI seems to
have removed all their gaming from AMD graphics cards only NVIDIA ones have the
gaming branding on them now uh let's see if we can find uh
yeah this wow this thread is like really going here we go check this out
no so this is an example of one that has not been changed yet so ASUS rog strix
Radeon rx 560. now with that said one of
the things that i would have to wonder is that given the the the complicated
nature of updating the name of a product that's out there in the wild already
is it possible we're not seeing the full effect yet is it possible that NVIDIA
would be waiting for like the next rollout of products like probably like a
600 series graphics card how could you possibly retroactively like hey best buy
hey walmart update your product names on your website i mean you could ask for it
but i mean but there's so many channels yeah there's i mean there's the websites
there's the little like tag on the actual shelf there's flyers that they
would be working out on there's all kinds of promotional materials that
would be very difficult to change and there's multiple marketplaces like amazon isn't even in australia
presumably australia has some other e-tailer that's big that they'd have to
communicate with uh is pc pc case geared amazon pc uh
online retailer i'm trying to remember who the big ones are down there
wait why did i search for amazon australia
this has just been australia's on such a week man
like such a week scorptek is one of them that's uh one of
our mods on the forum used to work at scorptech but doesn't anymore so that's
that's really all i know about them did you used to be australian it isn't
anymore no no no still australian oh still super australian that can happen
all right this was originally posted on the floor i have one question yes
there i had i saw some fear um you talked about
the the supply that NVIDIA has on the market being a bit of a stranglehold um
do you think that applies to people like us influencers and media who don't want
to speak out or disparage this move by NVIDIA because they're afraid that
they're not going to be sourced the gpus that they rely on to make
reviews and editorial content okay so that is a good question here's the thing
NVIDIA has to if they're trying to
create a competitive advantage for themselves they have to do so without creating a
bunch of negative sentiment amongst the consumer base
sort of i'm not actually convinced like NVIDIA i i would describe as sort of um
not the individuals that i know there everyone that i know that works in NVIDIA i really like on a personal level
but to describe them corporately i would say they are a little bit arrogant
but i'm not necessarily saying that they
haven't uh that they haven't earned it in a sense
like comes with a market share yeah it comes with having what i think it's like
75 market share or something like that in discrete graphics and that's in terms of
unit sales not in terms of dollars
which given that they have much higher end products than AMD has at this time
are pretty significantly different
um so
i'm not saying that they haven't kind of kind of earned it
um but we are the stewards of that
sentiment right so here's the thing NVIDIA doesn't really have to care about
the sentiment now because at the end of the day
what else are you going to buy you know you can't find stock of
anything so people are basically buying whatever they can get for one thing and
for two NVIDIA is in a position where in certain segments they really are the
only product that makes any sense especially at the high end
so but but but with that said NVIDIA still seems to somewhat care about their
public image because you never know when AMD might turn around and release
something that turns the market on its head and if people had like this pent-up
negative sentiment towards NVIDIA it could
it could backfire on them then when you say at the high end what are you talking
about are you talking about hedt um
yeah yeah i'm talking about well that's because if you're talking about only Intel uses that terminology oh okay yeah
if you're talking about server stuff then i don't does this really apply
because this is isn't this about consumer grade
yeah no i'm talking about high end consumer i mean AMD doesn't have
anything competitive with the 1080 ti not even close
yeah yeah all right um and i mean as as for vega vega 56 and
vega 64 i mean even before the mining craze they they they weren't that
competitive like they were okay vegas 64 wasn't vega
56 was but you haven't been able to buy a vega 56 like what
where where are you supposed to get a vega 56 and you really think that
when they were deciding whether or not to to make this move and how to spin it
and whether or not it would give them bad press they thought you know what
right now nobody can buy anything because of crypto they really considered the crypto
mania and the availability of gpus and they're like ah we can probably get away
with this i think so so so i think that the timing is a big part of it and then
i think the other thing is like why not try to get the press to buckle well it's
because they have far less of an impact on our livelihood than they do on their
partners who rely on them for chips like if um
so we i would be more worried about youtube
than i would about NVIDIA if youtube were the kind of company
where i didn't feel like um
you know they they could accept criticism as it is you know i can i can
i can tell our youtube rep stuff that i hate about the platform to his face and
his job anyway is to take that feedback and actually try and make it actionable
and try and try and improve things believe it or not youtube does actually
care we're his client yeah it's it's
we're his client but he's also our
um you know that's that's actually an interesting way of looking at it so
we're his client but we're his client in a way where NVIDIA's clients
are are not as much because NVIDIA could just find someone else whereas once you
reach a certain point as a creator in much the same way that youtube doesn't
really focus much attention on the small creators that that are replaceable they
do focus attention on the big ones that are difficult to replace well i think from NVIDIA's perspective
pretty much everyone can be replaced at this point
like they've literally done it xfx used to be a major NVIDIA partner especially
in north america back in the day um it was like 1-2 evga xfx
now ever since xfx defected to AMD back in i think it was
the 4 000 series days don't quote me on
that might have been 3000 series anyway back then ever since then NVIDIA
basically went well okay
you know where if you're gonna defect if you're gonna go from being exclusive NVIDIA remember
this was at a time when NVIDIA was in pretty rough shape with some hot running
cards that didn't perform that well if you guys are going to turn tail and run
into the arms of AMD good good luck with that
we'll just find someone else to replace you and they did when bfg disappeared so
bfg was another sort of top-tier partner for NVIDIA in north america
one of their big things was that they offered a lifetime warranty when NVIDIA
dis or when bfd disappeared NVIDIA
didn't you know they didn't run out and try and find you know try and like
quietly fund through you know venture capital someone to take over the brand
and continue it they just kind of went ah then's the breaks and if you think
about it that has been the strategy with
board partners since the dawn of time like i could probably name
half a dozen board partners off the top of my head who existed at one point at
least in north america and don't anymore let's try
well there's bfg so i already got that one
there is uh chain tech there's another one there is um
let me think gain word there's another one gain word used to be like kind of
like halo halo tier products
a bit i think dabbled in gpus at one point they're gone entirely now from the
motherboard business too dang is that all i got
that's pretty good shoot i think that's all i've got um i mean and then there's
like there's like the really old stuff like um
like back when like 3d Labs i think used to do graphics cards
but i don't think they ever did NVIDIA ones
feel 3d Labs creative did you create
them before ati acquired fire gl diamond oh yeah diamond multimedia sorry that's
the one that i was thinking not 3d Labs diamond okay whatever that's five that's
five and i did have to google one of them so it's kind of cheating but that's not really the point the point is
i think NVIDIA is in a position where they feel like they need their partners
a lot less than someone like youtube apparently does with us
so let's see how this continues to play out
so they still have that power and they don't really care it doesn't matter this
the sentiment is a drop in the bucket compared to the power of their market position so
it doesn't yeah but i think that they are i think that they wouldn't also risk
going to press directly with some kind of uh with some kind of an agreement
that you can only mention gaming with NVIDIA products and then a gag order if
you talk about it because if they ever showed something like that to anyone in
the press it would be out there yeah let's remember that it was AMD who originally
kind of leaked this or let it know because the press
has so much less to lose with NVIDIA like worst case scenario i've got to buy
a half a dozen graphics cards a year i mean at the rate that we're going lately
with them releasing like two three graphics cards every year like
it's not even that bad it's like yeah sure whatever i'll go go buy a video
yeah i used to buy video cards but the price
of those video cards okay that's that's true
and Linus media groups bankrupt
had to buy three graphics cards golden really Colton's not fired he's laid off
yeah budget cuts man um
all right why don't we why don't we jump into one of our one of our quick ones i
want to talk about this one you want to talk about the first oh the self
since it broke all right hold on we'll talk about that in a minute first we
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so we've got a laptop behind me james is in the way of it so it's kind
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over there oh well you can see the keyboard there you got a laptop
we've got a wire right here going into a tray of water
and then we've got
blinky green light is this just on the wrong input it could
be and then we've got james trying to do a live demo anytime you try and do a
live demo it doesn't work it's like it's got to be like some kind of law
Colton did you uh actually do this
that's not Colton that was taren
well that might be your problem it wasn't even set to duplicate oh
well now i changed it it should be HDMI
moving on well we've got a video coming where we
did have it working it's receiving signal the problem is the
monitor that's weird why let's see that see that
beautiful green blinky light yeah no that's definitely worth it's getting
enough for sure oh here we go yeah i don't know that's because i power
cycled oh
no i don't know i don't know why it's not working is it trying to run it not
1080p or something like i don't know i don't know what's going on here all
right in the meantime why don't i do another topic do you want to do you want to try and fix it or
oh oh we've got the monitor we used yesterday right there
cool all right
next up this is apparently old news but the xbox
one is getting freesync the original article here is from forbes
let's go ahead and pull that up and this is
absolutely huge news from my perspective i'm so thrilled about this because on
the pc side of things if you're not able to hit 60 frames per second
then okay like that sucks but
worst case scenario there is a solution you can spend more money i guess and i
know that's one of the criticisms of pc gaming is that it's kind of a sinkhole
when it comes to how much you can end up spending on it
but at least there is a solution with a
console if you want to play some kind of a console exclusive and it happens to
have you know hitches in the animations or it happens to not run
completely smoothly at 60fps some games
are coming out that do actually allow you to alter the detail levels but not
everything does so this is great the xbox one s and the
xbox one x are both going to get free sync support so on a supported display
with HDMI 2.1 you'll be able to use
freesync 2 which means that if you get a dip in your frame rate the tv's refresh
rate will actually drop to match it perfectly which has a real world
very significant benefit to the smoothness of the animations
now right now james when we recorded this initially
the first time because we had to restart the show a couple of
times due to audio issues james brought up that right now there are no tvs on
the market with support for the HDMI 2.1
but you know from my perspective you have to start somewhere and
i mean i would i i yeah okay so that is a bit of a drag
i'll give you that but you got to start somewhere and at least this gives us an
opportunity to move towards that in the future i mean especially trying to run
like games at 4k on you know nothing against the xbox one
x great console got a really positive review here but trying to run games at
4k on anything is demanding right now
and trying to run them on the xbox one x is well particularly demanding
um so this this has the potential to be a real game changer in terms of animation
smoothness on consoles that actually leads kind of nicely into another topic
we have here which is that the NVIDIA g-sync 4k 144
hertz monitors that you may have seen at ces last year in 2017
uh but which were subsequently delayed are supposed to finally being being
released in april but the question why i think this there
was a good segue there is like what the heck what card are you going to
use to run something in 4k at 144 hertz
right now the only oh at 144 hertz oh
nothing like you're not going to get anything yeah it's the frame rate that
high to use it's kind of a funny product because it's like
it's kind of like the product for no one so it's
high frame rate or a high refresh rate for like esports titles
but then no one playing league of legends
is actually running at 4k like you you just you just wouldn't do that
why would you like i i would rather if i was a pro
gamer if i was a pro gamer i'm not if i was i
would rather have 240 hertz
at 1080p and from my understanding a lot of pros
don't actually prefer these gigantic large format displays because it
actually makes it so that they can't see everything that they need to see at once
it seems to me like it's just the first product that has
this suite of features that they're all going to have eventually
they're just first yeah and then sort of the flip side of
that is if you're more into like the sightseeing games you don't need the refresh rate
you don't need that refresh rate because you're not going to be running those kinds of games at more than like
60 frames per second no with that said though
we don't know how the upcoming gpus whether it be they ampere or volta or
whatever NVIDIA ends up calling their gtx
22000 series i guess whatever they end up calling them
we don't know how powerful they're gonna they're gonna be so that might be
even the maple buffalo bacon's got a little bit of spice and it kind of went down my windpipe there i'm good i'm okay
i'm not gonna die on lanchow i don't know if you know anything about why
these monitors were delayed but could it have been to do with the HDMI 2.1 spec
like is this thing going to use two cables or one these are displayport so
as far as i know and this is just based on rumors that i
read on the internet as far as i know it has to do with delays to NVIDIA's uh
latest g-sync module okay you know what i think a giveaway
was 144 hertz correct me if i'm wrong but i think even HDMI 2.1 is maxed out
at 120. that might be right fact check that i'm
still alive i'm still alive everyone's like rip ltd in the chat no i'm still
alive
i'm okay oh man
all right in the meantime why don't we go on to
your big your big topic here well so this happened uh this was posted
by delicious on the forum the original article here
is from rt.com
the first pedestrian death
has been not just like has not just happened but has been recorded
from a self-driving car well naturally the thing
is actually driving because of the cameras
this is really sad so 49 year old elaine herzberg was struck by a self-driving
uber uh last sunday night at 10 p.m it was dark out
she was crossing the street with her bike in tempe arizona naturally a lot of
these self-driving car testing projects are in arizona they made some attractive
terms for to attract companies and they have pretty nice weather it's kind of
easier the car was going 40 miles per hour an
hour which is 65 kilometers and this is an suv it's a volvo
xc90 suv so there was a backup safety
net kind of driver a human driver in the vehicle
and when the story broke we didn't have the footage of what the camera saw
um the dash cam footage as it were so we we didn't know
why didn't the backup driver react why didn't the human driver hit the brakes
how was it possible that this woman was struck um
the original details were just like irrelevant things like it was dark out
and she wasn't at a cross rock neither of those have any impact or whether or
not the car should stop so velodyne lidar said it won't be
advising its customers to halt tests in the wake of this death because they
don't believe the accident was due to the lidar which often it works even
better at night due to less interference there's less noise they think it's
possible they don't design the software uber does so it's possible that
it's how the data was handled in the software end it's still unknown why the
car didn't stop when the dash cam
footage was released it became clear that there was
if the dash cam footage looks like what it really looked like that night there's
no way a human could have reacted she basically
is not there and then there like she is crossing the street like in a shadow or
something like that and even though the driver there's interior car footage and
you can see that the driver is looking down and not paying attention um
even if they were paying attention there's nothing they could do and a lot of the media was focusing on the driver
and how this person has like a previous criminal record and whether or not
uber's like policies like should have hired them it's completely irrelevant
what we're wondering now is like obviously this is a big setback for the
self-driving car community industry and and what's going to happen
in california california was about to
initiate programs like this there so it might take a little longer so uber has
halted tests in san francisco phoenix pittsburgh and toronto
um man like so here's the thing on the one
hand you're gonna have the uh i forget the
terms for them but you're gonna have the the the pragmatists that are going to go
well you know what's one human life in the grand scheme of how many can be
saved in an autonomous future but on the other hand
thank you but on the other hand if this was like my kid
like there's no no amount of no no amount of like other people getting to
survive in the future does anything to make this any better for me
and from my perspective like i'm reading an article like this and this is as
someone who really wants to see self-driving cars
succeed and wants to buy one as soon as humanly possible
um i'm glad they're not allowing testing here in my neighborhood
you know as soon as i read this i go well i'm glad this is being i'm glad someone else is the guinea pig
and maybe that's the wrong way to think about it but well this is exactly why i said her name
and age in the story here because when i posted this on my twitter when it first
broke it was like i expected
a lot more varied comments than i got the only
comments were like you know in the future it'll be good
but this is like a real person
so regardless needless to say say the uh tests that occur without a driver
present in the car which are i believe legally allowed in arizona yeah but
we're on the cusp of being allowed in california are gonna be delayed
man that's rough uh in other news
what else do we got oh congress passes sesta slash foster
which sounds like uh like like
kind of like a hip bill it's like a foster bill you know it's
like pretty fast you man yeah fossa actually we should start using it as
like a cuss word yo that's pretty fast it's on
okay i'm down yeah i think foster should mean good and jibo
means bad like oh that is some foster no you think it's good
cesta yeah i could see sesame spice like
that's sister
you're just saying it like zesty yeah but it's cesta you know cessna okay
yeah no come on man this is a bill that ostensibly
curbs online sex trafficking um but there are some critics that say it's
going to increase online censorship stifle innovation and make everyone less
safe online so congress passed it just they're just
waiting for president trump's signature for it to become a law i i can't imagine
him not signing anything that he can list in like his
accomplishments like i actually think he would sign
anything mind you with that said i think the the news that i looked at most
recently said that he might not sign the the bill that funds the government for
the next year or whatever the omnibus bill or whatever they're calling it
right um anyway whole other whole other conversation
so here's here's the here's the issue that
that okay so on the one hand if we're actually preventing human trafficking
by um by creating what is in effect sort of uh
um a responsibility
on these websites for the content that be is being posted by third parties if
if we are actually helping people by doing that that's a good thing
the problem is that what this creates is
a burden on website owners and operators
to be responsible for everything that is posted on their site not just everything
that is present on their sites on an ongoing basis but everything that is
posted on their sites and as someone who hosts
a user submitted content forum i can tell you
right now it is basically freaking
impossible to police every single thing
that someone might post on a website
craigslist has already removed its personal section for fear of a cesta
transgression that would affect the entire site which demonstrates right
there that the community is interpreting this as too heavy of a touch to
to want to risk to eat yeah to even want to
want to like have a chance of running a foul of and that's a big part of their
website the personals ad is not a trivial part of craigslist really tell
me more oh you know there's uh
that's how we met
no i don't think we posted our a job posting on craigslist and it certainly
wasn't impersonal job posting um
oh boy and then so the argument though is that well you
know if you have a site you should be responsible for what's on it
and so you know companies like facebook or twitter for example might be able to
build um you know ai or algorithmic protection mechanisms to keep offensive
content from being posted but one of the arguments against cestus that says it
could stifle innovation is that small companies like say for example
Floatplane media inc might know what's that
might not have access to expert lawyers
and the same kinds of monitoring algorithms that a large company would
and might just run the risk of having to say you know what look we
can't afford to get buried in legal fees because we're like
enabling online sex trafficking because like something went up on our
site and we didn't see it for 20 minutes um and they might just shut down
which could hurt the ability of the next facebook competitor to spring up out of
nowhere which i mean you know i don't think anyone sees anything on the
horizon like that but putting more barriers in place is not the solution
and and i can tell you right now like it's already challenging so flow plane
had a heck of a time getting credit card payments approved
first the payment processor and this is all because of their underwriting bank
that was requesting all this crap and i'm gonna say i'm going what what do you
guys care anyway blockchain so they're so their payment processor wanted to see
a finished site before they would give us access to the
actual API hooks to integrate into the site a bit of a chicken and egg thing
isn't it bit of a chicken and egg thing like what are you going to develop a whole site and then have a payment
process or go and say you know that blue that's a little too
blue um you know what we're going to pass we're
just going to pass so they wanted that then we had to get on this conference
call with them where we had to explain a couple of things number one
is how we were going to um
right how we were going to monitor user posted content and we're kind of sitting
here going well like
it's it's it's us like our sister company and
like our friend kyle that are uploading to it right now like
i don't think this is going to be an issue but that count like comments are
under that umbrella are they not yes but comments are a little bit easier
to moderate because you can but again though it comes down to
imposing on websites um the the the restriction that you'll
just have to kind of uh narrow down like you'll you'll have
to effectively make the comments a little less open and a little less free
because we could crack down on uh people being able to post uh gifs for example
or we could crack down on people being able to post links links those are those
are pretty easy ways to keep um you know sex traffic and a spam filter for
certain addiction yep um but but that will that will make an effect our
comments more censored than we otherwise might have preferred to have them
um so anyway the other then the other thing they wanted to know is what our
plan was to keep adult content off the site and we're kind of sitting here
going look i'm not going to name any names because i'm just
it's just been it has really been that kind of week um my week's been fine i don't great
good so i just don't like i don't want to i want to get into it but we're kind of
going okay a there's nothing on your terms of service this is anything about
adult content for one thing to which their response was well we can't keep
our terms of service updated at all times and kind of go what are you talking about they're like well you know
that's why we have us to explain the internal terms of service to people and
i'm like so you have internal terms of service and external terms of service
here's an idea why don't you just have one terms of service well what else is
on that internal terms of service great question what did what a tremendous question so
glad you asked what a great audience yeah um
and so we want one okay you don't have that in your terms of service and two we
know for a fact that there's at least one major site that does offer adult
content that uses you as a payment processor
and has for years maybe that's why what is the deal
and anyway after the whole the whole entire
interview process we did manage to get approved we're getting the code
integrated naturally the sandbox apis totally
doesn't jive with the actual one so it
wasn't just plug and play like it's supposed to be
but that's why luke's not here he's working on that right now but we're
hoping to have credit card processing working pretty soon but but anyway
coming back to sesta foster um
the issue here is that putting more barriers in in the way of small online
companies has a real impact like every
week that we spend [ __ ] around with some kind of
regulatory thing is another week that we can't be
developing products and services that make creators and their viewers happy
and it's very frustrating with that said
you know the human trafficking is a travesty and a
living nightmare for the people that are involved in it
well on the one end of it not the other end i don't think i think they're prob they probably sleep fine at night um
somehow and you know you want to see something
done about it but it just doesn't really seem like
this is it
here's another non-answer or a non-way to go this is kind of
related have you seen this this is state legislation pending in rhode island
which would force internet service providers to block sexual content by
default until the internet user does
the following requests in writing that the capability
be disabled presents identification to verify that that particular user is 18
years old or older acknowledges receiving like you've got to wait for
something to mail that receive a written warning regarding the potential danger
of deactivating the digital blocking capability of this uh sexual content and
pays 20 bucks as a digital access fee i don't know
about you but if i really wanted to look at porn on the internet
a i wouldn't pay 20 for it and b i could not wait that long
and yes we did talk about this last week
all right well it still sucks especially for anyone in rhode island
all right so this was posted by sc2 mitch on the
forum elon musk has gotten involved in hashtag
delete facebook no way
so the original article here is from the guardian hit us with the facts on this one well
this is laser james this is the deep context source this is like if you don't
know why facebook's in trouble to begin with we're going here
so what happened was facebook sees itself as a platform instead of just an
ad company so they don't care about giving away tons of personal data which
would be very valuable to an ad company like google they don't mind giving that
away to developers who are going to develop facebook apps because they want
to be a platform like microsoft so what they did starting around 2010 was if
you're building an app for facebook you can get access to a ton of profile data
and not just data from the people who use these apps
but data from their friends so what happened was a psychologist professor at
cambridge made an app paid a couple hundred thousand people to
take a survey which is what the app was for thereby getting access to all those
users data on facebook and all their friends which amounted to about 50
million different profiles worth of personal data
that data then was against facebook terms of service
given to cambridge analytica a company
it's against the terms of service because once you get this data you're not allowed to use it for any
advertising purpose which is what cambridge analytica ended up doing they
use it to make highly targeted ads
to target these people in a very specific way all these 50 million people
they served 10 000 different nuanced ads
to to kind of uh sway the american election
well attempt to attempt to sway it we can't prove it worked we don't know
we're not experts so now this has all come to light
facebook's in trouble a famous hashtag delete facebook has been started by uh
one of the people who benefited tremendously from facebook the founder
one of the co-founders of whatsapp brian acton
um he started delete facebook he and then elon musk got called out
about the delete facebook hashtag and he said
oh that exists okay
let's just take down our spacex and test the facebook pages which they've done
and we don't know if musk is trolling because he kind of does that or if he
believes in the cause or what
in other news
we got wrecked by gamer's nexus what the heck
what are you talking about look at this we were number five
reserve gunslinger and gamers nexus all knocked us off of the of the leaderboard
for the NVIDIA titan v what leaderboard is this
this is 3d mark time spy extreme oh
that red bastard
well no promises that we'll take another
crack at it but uh i don't like seeing i don't like seeing
that canadian flag all the way down there
that's no fun that's weak sorry this everyone's top seven baby never yet
ah so no no comments on the facebook thing
okay that was quite a segway you just handed me um no i don't i don't really have
anything to say on that one apparently the audio is a mess again i don't even
know i don't even know what to tell people um
i wanna talk about rage racing no
i don't know what else is there you know what i'm done i i've had enough of this
week so goodbye
forever until next week same bat time same bad channel goodbye
wow
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