WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.800 will never get uploaded 00:00:04.160 --> 00:00:10.480 i don't know about you but i'm having basically kind of the roughest week ever 00:00:08.160 --> 00:00:14.160 we killed the dual socket board um Anthony 00:00:12.400 --> 00:00:18.240 yeah you killed the dual socket board alex alex killed the dual socket board 00:00:16.320 --> 00:00:22.960 Anthony got pulled out of the office on a particularly busy week 00:00:20.720 --> 00:00:26.720 for an event that ended up being a complete and utter waste of time thank 00:00:25.519 --> 00:00:31.720 you Intel i i just you know it's funny 00:00:32.239 --> 00:00:41.040 to the average viewer out there there seems to be this perception 00:00:37.520 --> 00:00:43.600 that when a company like 00:00:41.040 --> 00:00:46.000 invites you to a product event that it's like 00:00:44.640 --> 00:00:51.840 free travel you just got free traveling hotel you 00:00:48.480 --> 00:00:54.399 guys are so you guys sold out so hard 00:00:51.840 --> 00:01:00.399 like there's this perception but what they don't seem to realize 00:00:57.039 --> 00:01:02.079 is that it costs me money 00:01:00.399 --> 00:01:06.240 to have myself or someone else out of the office not 00:01:04.080 --> 00:01:11.520 just money but time time that i might have spent with my family spent um 00:01:09.360 --> 00:01:14.560 clipping one of my toenails that's a little long right now and is kind of 00:01:12.960 --> 00:01:18.400 catching on the inside of my sock and is a little uncomfortable you know the 00:01:16.640 --> 00:01:21.680 things that things that we might have wanted to that i might have wanted to do 00:01:20.799 --> 00:01:27.759 um and in this case like i would i would actually prefer not just in this case 00:01:25.360 --> 00:01:30.799 but in most cases i would strongly prefer 00:01:28.720 --> 00:01:34.240 having a company get on the phone with me so i don't have to sit in an airport 00:01:32.240 --> 00:01:39.119 for three hours sit on a plane for anywhere from you know two to five hours 00:01:37.119 --> 00:01:42.560 sit in an airport for another half an hour waiting for my baggage and then do 00:01:40.720 --> 00:01:47.439 the whole thing all over again i would strongly prefer if they just got on a 00:01:44.320 --> 00:01:48.960 phone gave me a powerpoint presentation 00:01:47.439 --> 00:01:52.640 where i can understand the product and just sent one over so we can test it in 00:01:50.799 --> 00:01:56.640 the comfort of our lab with all of our equipment and all of our staff that we 00:01:54.560 --> 00:01:59.360 can mount ideas off of all of that good stuff 00:01:57.680 --> 00:02:03.520 and you haven't even mentioned the opportunity cost of Anthony not being 00:02:01.600 --> 00:02:07.439 here Anthony being in an airport instead of being at his desk being productive 00:02:06.079 --> 00:02:09.840 exactly so 00:02:14.720 --> 00:02:22.319 the audio issues persist is that why you're laughing slash dying 00:02:22.319 --> 00:02:28.160 if you think the audio's bad read my lips 00:02:26.319 --> 00:02:31.599 apparently it's very quiet because that's all you're getting 00:02:29.520 --> 00:02:34.840 but we are we're we're getting all the way into the 00:02:33.040 --> 00:02:39.680 yellow territory so i don't know what to tell 00:02:37.440 --> 00:02:44.319 you i can't turn it out because it's gonna 00:02:42.560 --> 00:02:49.040 clip i can't do anything 00:02:47.120 --> 00:02:53.760 we're just gonna have to live with it this is your problem man turn it up and 00:02:51.360 --> 00:02:57.280 when the ad comes on and blasts you and you get a noise complaint and a 00:02:55.280 --> 00:03:02.840 strata bill slash condo fee bill all right so anyway it has just been a rough week 00:03:00.800 --> 00:03:08.400 having people out um uh ivan's sick this week um alex is 00:03:06.879 --> 00:03:13.360 gonna be out next week so one of the videos that he was supposed to get done this week but he was busy breaking a 00:03:11.280 --> 00:03:16.720 motherboard didn't get done this week so it means we have to do more next week 00:03:15.599 --> 00:03:20.800 um next week i'm going to be out of the office two days actually we've got some 00:03:19.440 --> 00:03:27.120 really cool videos that we're going to be shooting next week i love it when you're out of the office don't 00:03:25.280 --> 00:03:30.159 okay well on one of the days i am actually going to be in the building i'm 00:03:28.319 --> 00:03:34.400 just going to be really busy so i don't know if you guys remember the murder box 00:03:35.120 --> 00:03:41.760 yeah it was sort of an unfortunately named like boutique system integrator 00:03:39.200 --> 00:03:45.599 that existed around eight nine years ago anyway um charles the guy who was 00:03:43.680 --> 00:03:48.720 running it eventually decided to do just a case the 00:03:46.840 --> 00:03:52.319 mdpcx no xforma okay whatever i can't remember 00:03:51.120 --> 00:03:58.080 what it's called it's freaking awesome though it looks incredible so we've got a full system built up in it including 00:03:55.840 --> 00:04:02.400 metal hardline tubing metal hard line tubing with like these 00:04:00.159 --> 00:04:06.879 gorgeous bends and stuff and what we're going to be doing is we're going to have 00:04:03.840 --> 00:04:09.599 him come into the studio 00:04:06.879 --> 00:04:14.959 and do like a tear down of it so it's going to be kind of like like 00:04:11.760 --> 00:04:16.160 disassembling a supercar 00:04:14.959 --> 00:04:20.239 on camera it's going to be badass but like a super computer but not a super computer 00:04:19.040 --> 00:04:25.040 because that's a specific thing and it isn't that when i first saw that system i was like 00:04:23.600 --> 00:04:28.880 i didn't even know such things were possible like in gladiator when they see 00:04:27.040 --> 00:04:34.320 when he sees the coliseum i didn't know men could build such things they weren't 00:04:31.040 --> 00:04:34.320 pc in gladiator times 00:04:35.520 --> 00:04:42.240 okay um so let's jump into our first topic of 00:04:39.280 --> 00:04:46.880 the day this one is uh we talked about it a fair bit last week apparently my 00:04:44.400 --> 00:04:50.880 explanation of it was very confusing because a lot of the comments on the lan 00:04:48.560 --> 00:04:53.520 show last week were just saying that people were having a really hard time 00:04:52.160 --> 00:04:58.000 understanding what the crap it was that i was talking about exactly but the 00:04:55.280 --> 00:05:02.240 GeForce partner program NVIDIA is claiming that this is all about reducing 00:05:00.160 --> 00:05:06.240 confusion for the consumer but according to an article written by 00:05:04.320 --> 00:05:12.000 yano according to an article written by hart ocp it appears to be a means for 00:05:08.880 --> 00:05:14.320 NVIDIA using its stranglehold over the 00:05:12.000 --> 00:05:18.960 supply of the GPU chips that its partners need to survive 00:05:16.560 --> 00:05:24.320 using that to basically force them to favor NVIDIA 00:05:22.000 --> 00:05:29.919 products over AMD products in their marketing specifically in their 00:05:26.400 --> 00:05:31.440 marketing that talks directly about 00:05:29.919 --> 00:05:35.280 gaming so 00:05:33.600 --> 00:05:39.360 our source here is uh this was originally posted by cladson on the 00:05:36.960 --> 00:05:44.000 forum and the original article is from reddit 00:05:41.360 --> 00:05:48.560 seems to suggest although this is of course in r 00:05:46.080 --> 00:05:52.720 AMD so take it for what it is 00:05:51.600 --> 00:05:58.960 but seems to suggest that the first victim 00:05:56.800 --> 00:06:04.800 of the GeForce partner program may have already been unveiled 00:06:01.360 --> 00:06:07.440 so Gigabyte just introduced a new AMD 00:06:04.800 --> 00:06:12.000 oriented external GPU box and the branding 00:06:08.720 --> 00:06:15.039 is different from their other external 00:06:12.000 --> 00:06:18.240 GPU box so we've actually got one of the 00:06:15.039 --> 00:06:21.680 gtx 1080 based ones and it uses the 00:06:18.240 --> 00:06:25.199 aorus branding while these new AMD-based 00:06:21.680 --> 00:06:28.639 ones wow this is like a 00:06:25.199 --> 00:06:32.160 how deep do i have to go in these links 00:06:28.639 --> 00:06:32.160 to find the actual 00:06:32.319 --> 00:06:40.080 where is the there you go if the branding isn't just 00:06:37.360 --> 00:06:42.800 different it's just way way way more basic 00:06:41.199 --> 00:06:47.199 yeah so worse and 00:06:44.960 --> 00:06:51.759 just rx 580. with that said it does have gaming 00:06:50.319 --> 00:06:57.680 in the title which hopefully is an indication that 00:06:55.520 --> 00:07:02.720 contrary to the rumor partners will at least be able to use 00:06:59.759 --> 00:07:06.720 like game or gaming in the branding for their AMD products 00:07:04.560 --> 00:07:10.240 um that's a descriptive word isn't it MSI 00:07:09.520 --> 00:07:16.000 that gaming is actually their line of gaming uh 00:07:13.120 --> 00:07:18.240 yeah so they won't be able to do that well 00:07:16.880 --> 00:07:22.639 or they'll have to take a little tm off the top of it yeah so the rumor was 00:07:20.240 --> 00:07:29.039 though that NVIDIA would be forcing their partners to actually rename 00:07:26.479 --> 00:07:35.039 product lines that had gaming in them for products that were not GeForce 00:07:32.960 --> 00:07:38.479 so it's still a work in progress though because if you look at some of the 00:07:36.639 --> 00:07:42.560 amazon links to these these products that have been otherwise d branded in 00:07:40.560 --> 00:07:46.720 physical form the amazon titles still have those monikers in there and like i'm 00:07:45.599 --> 00:07:50.000 assuming they're going to be taken away eventually so maybe it's still 00:07:48.800 --> 00:07:53.520 it's like a a roll out here that we're witnessing 00:07:52.160 --> 00:08:01.599 yeah so it looks like there's some things that still haven't been updated so some amazon product names apparently 00:07:57.680 --> 00:08:04.960 have been updated now not for insignias 00:08:01.599 --> 00:08:06.960 like rog strix and MSI gaming 00:08:04.960 --> 00:08:10.400 but for the actual product names themselves some have been updated and 00:08:09.199 --> 00:08:16.240 some of them haven't do you have any examples of that if you go to the forum thread there's a 00:08:14.240 --> 00:08:19.199 bunch of examples now not just the aorus one all right let's go ahead and pull 00:08:17.919 --> 00:08:25.199 that up here so update number two yes MSI seems to 00:08:22.240 --> 00:08:29.759 have removed all their gaming from AMD graphics cards only NVIDIA ones have the 00:08:27.840 --> 00:08:35.599 gaming branding on them now uh let's see if we can find uh 00:08:33.279 --> 00:08:40.959 yeah this wow this thread is like really going here we go check this out 00:08:39.120 --> 00:08:47.680 no so this is an example of one that has not been changed yet so ASUS rog strix 00:08:44.560 --> 00:08:49.519 Radeon rx 560. now with that said one of 00:08:47.680 --> 00:08:54.880 the things that i would have to wonder is that given the the the complicated 00:08:52.080 --> 00:08:59.440 nature of updating the name of a product that's out there in the wild already 00:08:57.760 --> 00:09:03.839 is it possible we're not seeing the full effect yet is it possible that NVIDIA 00:09:01.360 --> 00:09:07.760 would be waiting for like the next rollout of products like probably like a 00:09:05.920 --> 00:09:12.240 600 series graphics card how could you possibly retroactively like hey best buy 00:09:09.839 --> 00:09:16.959 hey walmart update your product names on your website i mean you could ask for it 00:09:14.080 --> 00:09:21.360 but i mean but there's so many channels yeah there's i mean there's the websites 00:09:19.440 --> 00:09:24.880 there's the little like tag on the actual shelf there's flyers that they 00:09:23.360 --> 00:09:28.160 would be working out on there's all kinds of promotional materials that 00:09:26.800 --> 00:09:33.360 would be very difficult to change and there's multiple marketplaces like amazon isn't even in australia 00:09:31.440 --> 00:09:37.120 presumably australia has some other e-tailer that's big that they'd have to 00:09:35.839 --> 00:09:45.200 communicate with uh is pc pc case geared amazon pc uh 00:09:43.120 --> 00:09:48.959 online retailer i'm trying to remember who the big ones are down there 00:09:47.360 --> 00:09:52.880 wait why did i search for amazon australia 00:09:50.560 --> 00:09:56.880 this has just been australia's on such a week man 00:09:54.160 --> 00:10:01.120 like such a week scorptek is one of them that's uh one of 00:09:59.120 --> 00:10:05.360 our mods on the forum used to work at scorptech but doesn't anymore so that's 00:10:03.600 --> 00:10:08.800 that's really all i know about them did you used to be australian it isn't 00:10:06.800 --> 00:10:12.800 anymore no no no still australian oh still super australian that can happen 00:10:10.959 --> 00:10:18.399 all right this was originally posted on the floor i have one question yes 00:10:15.760 --> 00:10:22.079 there i had i saw some fear um you talked about 00:10:20.240 --> 00:10:26.880 the the supply that NVIDIA has on the market being a bit of a stranglehold um 00:10:24.640 --> 00:10:31.360 do you think that applies to people like us influencers and media who don't want 00:10:28.800 --> 00:10:34.800 to speak out or disparage this move by NVIDIA because they're afraid that 00:10:32.880 --> 00:10:39.360 they're not going to be sourced the gpus that they rely on to make 00:10:36.480 --> 00:10:47.680 reviews and editorial content okay so that is a good question here's the thing 00:10:43.839 --> 00:10:49.519 NVIDIA has to if they're trying to 00:10:47.680 --> 00:10:56.000 create a competitive advantage for themselves they have to do so without creating a 00:10:53.440 --> 00:11:00.079 bunch of negative sentiment amongst the consumer base 00:10:57.920 --> 00:11:05.600 sort of i'm not actually convinced like NVIDIA i i would describe as sort of um 00:11:04.000 --> 00:11:12.079 not the individuals that i know there everyone that i know that works in NVIDIA i really like on a personal level 00:11:09.360 --> 00:11:17.200 but to describe them corporately i would say they are a little bit arrogant 00:11:16.160 --> 00:11:21.200 but i'm not necessarily saying that they 00:11:19.200 --> 00:11:24.399 haven't uh that they haven't earned it in a sense 00:11:22.240 --> 00:11:27.600 like comes with a market share yeah it comes with having what i think it's like 00:11:25.920 --> 00:11:33.760 75 market share or something like that in discrete graphics and that's in terms of 00:11:31.200 --> 00:11:37.040 unit sales not in terms of dollars 00:11:35.279 --> 00:11:40.560 which given that they have much higher end products than AMD has at this time 00:11:39.360 --> 00:11:44.160 are pretty significantly different 00:11:42.480 --> 00:11:48.320 um so 00:11:45.839 --> 00:11:51.760 i'm not saying that they haven't kind of kind of earned it 00:11:50.240 --> 00:11:54.959 um but we are the stewards of that 00:11:53.360 --> 00:11:59.200 sentiment right so here's the thing NVIDIA doesn't really have to care about 00:11:57.360 --> 00:12:04.160 the sentiment now because at the end of the day 00:12:02.000 --> 00:12:07.920 what else are you going to buy you know you can't find stock of 00:12:06.079 --> 00:12:13.600 anything so people are basically buying whatever they can get for one thing and 00:12:11.279 --> 00:12:17.519 for two NVIDIA is in a position where in certain segments they really are the 00:12:15.920 --> 00:12:20.639 only product that makes any sense especially at the high end 00:12:20.720 --> 00:12:27.600 so but but but with that said NVIDIA still seems to somewhat care about their 00:12:25.200 --> 00:12:31.600 public image because you never know when AMD might turn around and release 00:12:29.440 --> 00:12:36.240 something that turns the market on its head and if people had like this pent-up 00:12:34.000 --> 00:12:38.959 negative sentiment towards NVIDIA it could 00:12:37.120 --> 00:12:42.399 it could backfire on them then when you say at the high end what are you talking 00:12:40.240 --> 00:12:45.040 about are you talking about hedt um 00:12:43.279 --> 00:12:49.760 yeah yeah i'm talking about well that's because if you're talking about only Intel uses that terminology oh okay yeah 00:12:48.480 --> 00:12:53.120 if you're talking about server stuff then i don't does this really apply 00:12:51.920 --> 00:12:57.200 because this is isn't this about consumer grade 00:12:55.440 --> 00:13:01.680 yeah no i'm talking about high end consumer i mean AMD doesn't have 00:12:58.880 --> 00:13:04.480 anything competitive with the 1080 ti not even close 00:13:02.880 --> 00:13:09.839 yeah yeah all right um and i mean as as for vega vega 56 and 00:13:07.760 --> 00:13:13.440 vega 64 i mean even before the mining craze they they they weren't that 00:13:12.160 --> 00:13:18.320 competitive like they were okay vegas 64 wasn't vega 00:13:15.920 --> 00:13:22.959 56 was but you haven't been able to buy a vega 56 like what 00:13:21.440 --> 00:13:27.040 where where are you supposed to get a vega 56 and you really think that 00:13:25.200 --> 00:13:30.959 when they were deciding whether or not to to make this move and how to spin it 00:13:29.600 --> 00:13:33.600 and whether or not it would give them bad press they thought you know what 00:13:32.639 --> 00:13:39.120 right now nobody can buy anything because of crypto they really considered the crypto 00:13:37.120 --> 00:13:43.200 mania and the availability of gpus and they're like ah we can probably get away 00:13:40.800 --> 00:13:47.440 with this i think so so so i think that the timing is a big part of it and then 00:13:45.120 --> 00:13:52.399 i think the other thing is like why not try to get the press to buckle well it's 00:13:50.320 --> 00:13:56.160 because they have far less of an impact on our livelihood than they do on their 00:13:53.920 --> 00:13:59.519 partners who rely on them for chips like if um 00:13:58.480 --> 00:14:04.079 so we i would be more worried about youtube 00:14:02.240 --> 00:14:09.360 than i would about NVIDIA if youtube were the kind of company 00:14:05.839 --> 00:14:10.720 where i didn't feel like um 00:14:09.360 --> 00:14:15.440 you know they they could accept criticism as it is you know i can i can 00:14:13.440 --> 00:14:20.560 i can tell our youtube rep stuff that i hate about the platform to his face and 00:14:17.839 --> 00:14:23.680 his job anyway is to take that feedback and actually try and make it actionable 00:14:22.160 --> 00:14:27.279 and try and try and improve things believe it or not youtube does actually 00:14:25.519 --> 00:14:32.240 care we're his client yeah it's it's 00:14:28.800 --> 00:14:33.920 we're his client but he's also our 00:14:32.240 --> 00:14:37.360 um you know that's that's actually an interesting way of looking at it so 00:14:35.440 --> 00:14:42.160 we're his client but we're his client in a way where NVIDIA's clients 00:14:39.440 --> 00:14:46.720 are are not as much because NVIDIA could just find someone else whereas once you 00:14:44.560 --> 00:14:50.240 reach a certain point as a creator in much the same way that youtube doesn't 00:14:48.560 --> 00:14:54.560 really focus much attention on the small creators that that are replaceable they 00:14:52.880 --> 00:14:59.040 do focus attention on the big ones that are difficult to replace well i think from NVIDIA's perspective 00:14:57.519 --> 00:15:03.360 pretty much everyone can be replaced at this point 00:15:01.040 --> 00:15:08.720 like they've literally done it xfx used to be a major NVIDIA partner especially 00:15:06.560 --> 00:15:16.880 in north america back in the day um it was like 1-2 evga xfx 00:15:14.399 --> 00:15:22.959 now ever since xfx defected to AMD back in i think it was 00:15:19.519 --> 00:15:25.040 the 4 000 series days don't quote me on 00:15:22.959 --> 00:15:28.160 that might have been 3000 series anyway back then ever since then NVIDIA 00:15:26.880 --> 00:15:32.079 basically went well okay 00:15:30.560 --> 00:15:37.040 you know where if you're gonna defect if you're gonna go from being exclusive NVIDIA remember 00:15:35.440 --> 00:15:40.560 this was at a time when NVIDIA was in pretty rough shape with some hot running 00:15:38.720 --> 00:15:44.800 cards that didn't perform that well if you guys are going to turn tail and run 00:15:42.560 --> 00:15:47.760 into the arms of AMD good good luck with that 00:15:46.399 --> 00:15:53.279 we'll just find someone else to replace you and they did when bfg disappeared so 00:15:50.880 --> 00:15:56.720 bfg was another sort of top-tier partner for NVIDIA in north america 00:15:55.199 --> 00:16:02.800 one of their big things was that they offered a lifetime warranty when NVIDIA 00:15:59.120 --> 00:16:05.120 dis or when bfd disappeared NVIDIA 00:16:02.800 --> 00:16:09.759 didn't you know they didn't run out and try and find you know try and like 00:16:07.279 --> 00:16:13.360 quietly fund through you know venture capital someone to take over the brand 00:16:11.839 --> 00:16:18.000 and continue it they just kind of went ah then's the breaks and if you think 00:16:14.959 --> 00:16:20.480 about it that has been the strategy with 00:16:18.000 --> 00:16:24.160 board partners since the dawn of time like i could probably name 00:16:22.480 --> 00:16:28.399 half a dozen board partners off the top of my head who existed at one point at 00:16:26.000 --> 00:16:31.839 least in north america and don't anymore let's try 00:16:29.680 --> 00:16:35.279 well there's bfg so i already got that one 00:16:32.720 --> 00:16:40.800 there is uh chain tech there's another one there is um 00:16:38.639 --> 00:16:46.160 let me think gain word there's another one gain word used to be like kind of 00:16:42.880 --> 00:16:48.800 like halo halo tier products 00:16:46.160 --> 00:16:53.360 a bit i think dabbled in gpus at one point they're gone entirely now from the 00:16:50.959 --> 00:16:57.120 motherboard business too dang is that all i got 00:16:55.440 --> 00:17:01.040 that's pretty good shoot i think that's all i've got um i mean and then there's 00:16:59.199 --> 00:17:04.559 like there's like the really old stuff like um 00:17:02.320 --> 00:17:08.160 like back when like 3d Labs i think used to do graphics cards 00:17:06.720 --> 00:17:13.839 but i don't think they ever did NVIDIA ones 00:17:10.400 --> 00:17:16.720 feel 3d Labs creative did you create 00:17:13.839 --> 00:17:20.799 them before ati acquired fire gl diamond oh yeah diamond multimedia sorry that's 00:17:18.720 --> 00:17:23.919 the one that i was thinking not 3d Labs diamond okay whatever that's five that's 00:17:22.720 --> 00:17:28.559 five and i did have to google one of them so it's kind of cheating but that's not really the point the point is 00:17:26.959 --> 00:17:31.200 i think NVIDIA is in a position where they feel like they need their partners 00:17:30.000 --> 00:17:35.520 a lot less than someone like youtube apparently does with us 00:17:36.160 --> 00:17:41.120 so let's see how this continues to play out 00:17:39.280 --> 00:17:44.160 so they still have that power and they don't really care it doesn't matter this 00:17:42.799 --> 00:17:48.799 the sentiment is a drop in the bucket compared to the power of their market position so 00:17:46.640 --> 00:17:53.760 it doesn't yeah but i think that they are i think that they wouldn't also risk 00:17:51.840 --> 00:17:57.280 going to press directly with some kind of uh with some kind of an agreement 00:17:55.679 --> 00:18:02.320 that you can only mention gaming with NVIDIA products and then a gag order if 00:17:59.840 --> 00:18:06.000 you talk about it because if they ever showed something like that to anyone in 00:18:04.640 --> 00:18:10.880 the press it would be out there yeah let's remember that it was AMD who originally 00:18:09.200 --> 00:18:15.120 kind of leaked this or let it know because the press 00:18:13.200 --> 00:18:19.120 has so much less to lose with NVIDIA like worst case scenario i've got to buy 00:18:17.200 --> 00:18:23.280 a half a dozen graphics cards a year i mean at the rate that we're going lately 00:18:21.120 --> 00:18:27.039 with them releasing like two three graphics cards every year like 00:18:25.200 --> 00:18:29.760 it's not even that bad it's like yeah sure whatever i'll go go buy a video 00:18:28.720 --> 00:18:34.080 yeah i used to buy video cards but the price 00:18:31.840 --> 00:18:38.000 of those video cards okay that's that's true 00:18:34.880 --> 00:18:40.320 and Linus media groups bankrupt 00:18:38.000 --> 00:18:44.960 had to buy three graphics cards golden really Colton's not fired he's laid off 00:18:43.600 --> 00:18:50.160 yeah budget cuts man um 00:18:48.240 --> 00:18:53.120 all right why don't we why don't we jump into one of our one of our quick ones i 00:18:51.840 --> 00:18:57.760 want to talk about this one you want to talk about the first oh the self 00:18:56.080 --> 00:19:01.679 since it broke all right hold on we'll talk about that in a minute first we 00:18:59.520 --> 00:19:05.120 gotta talk about our sponsors for the day 00:19:03.520 --> 00:19:09.280 where's all our sponsor stuff i think they might be behind us you're a 00:19:06.799 --> 00:19:12.880 vegetarian right yeah so i'm the only one eating savage jerky today yeah 00:19:11.600 --> 00:19:16.960 that's a real shame because it's pretty delicious yeah so i'm gonna i'm gonna 00:19:15.280 --> 00:19:20.799 jump right into the savage jerky spot just because that's the that's 00:19:19.120 --> 00:19:23.760 like i'm actually not as hungry as i normally am on the lan show because i 00:19:22.320 --> 00:19:28.799 was because you spent half of the lan show eating in people's ears 00:19:25.840 --> 00:19:35.039 in 7.1 oh they sent so many packs of 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00:20:11.919 --> 00:20:17.360 super spicy ones like the ghost pepper one the reaper one 00:20:15.360 --> 00:20:21.919 um i'm also salivating for the record they also make barbecue sauce hot sauce 00:20:19.520 --> 00:20:26.080 and a spice rub their carolina reaper hot sauce uses one of the hottest 00:20:23.280 --> 00:20:29.360 peppers in the world i can attest to that the ghost pepper just kidding it's 00:20:27.919 --> 00:20:34.400 the carolina reaper duh it's called carolina reaper hot sauce um and you can 00:20:31.600 --> 00:20:38.480 use offer code LTT to save 10 on all of their products 00:20:37.120 --> 00:20:44.159 that legitimately looks like a piece of bacon it is a piece of bacon what do you think it was oh 00:20:41.919 --> 00:20:47.600 well what's oh bacon jerky it's bacon jerky 00:20:45.120 --> 00:20:50.070 oh i didn't know that was a thing it's a thing 00:20:48.960 --> 00:20:54.960 it's a good thing 00:20:54.960 --> 00:21:00.640 all right jumping into our next topic or into 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fine do it do it do it do it okay 00:23:12.640 --> 00:23:22.240 so our third sponsor for today is sewell direct their hd link hl24 HDMI over any 00:23:19.679 --> 00:23:26.000 two conductors product allows you to use whatever cable you've already got 00:23:24.480 --> 00:23:29.760 somewhere like maybe you've already got wires running 00:23:27.679 --> 00:23:34.640 through a wall or whatever you can use any two cables to send an HDMI signal 00:23:32.480 --> 00:23:38.960 it's got up to a two mile range with a good conductor and it can work on 00:23:37.840 --> 00:23:44.080 literally anything that is conductive so james is 00:23:41.679 --> 00:23:48.799 about to demo it we hope in water 00:23:46.480 --> 00:23:52.000 so we've got a laptop behind me james is in the way of it so it's kind 00:23:50.080 --> 00:23:55.600 of hard for you guys to see i think you just can't see it it's way 00:23:53.760 --> 00:24:00.400 over there oh well you can see the keyboard there you got a laptop 00:23:57.840 --> 00:24:05.400 we've got a wire right here going into a tray of water 00:24:01.760 --> 00:24:05.400 and then we've got 00:24:05.440 --> 00:24:10.799 blinky green light is this just on the wrong input it could 00:24:08.720 --> 00:24:14.080 be and then we've got james trying to do a live demo anytime you try and do a 00:24:12.159 --> 00:24:19.760 live demo it doesn't work it's like it's got to be like some kind of law 00:24:16.080 --> 00:24:23.679 Colton did you uh actually do this 00:24:19.760 --> 00:24:23.679 that's not Colton that was taren 00:24:25.360 --> 00:24:32.720 well that might be your problem it wasn't even set to duplicate oh 00:24:30.720 --> 00:24:35.600 well now i changed it it should be HDMI 00:24:39.840 --> 00:24:45.360 moving on well we've got a video coming where we 00:24:43.679 --> 00:24:48.799 did have it working it's receiving signal the problem is the 00:24:47.279 --> 00:24:52.640 monitor that's weird why let's see that see that 00:24:50.799 --> 00:24:55.919 beautiful green blinky light yeah no that's definitely worth it's getting 00:24:53.840 --> 00:25:00.600 enough for sure oh here we go yeah i don't know that's because i power 00:24:57.120 --> 00:25:00.600 cycled oh 00:25:00.640 --> 00:25:06.080 no i don't know i don't know why it's not working is it trying to run it not 00:25:04.080 --> 00:25:08.559 1080p or something like i don't know i don't know what's going on here all 00:25:07.440 --> 00:25:13.200 right in the meantime why don't i do another topic do you want to do you want to try and fix it or 00:25:11.840 --> 00:25:15.840 oh oh we've got the monitor we used yesterday right there 00:25:16.400 --> 00:25:21.679 cool all right 00:25:20.400 --> 00:25:26.000 next up this is apparently old news but the xbox 00:25:24.080 --> 00:25:30.880 one is getting freesync the original article here is from forbes 00:25:29.120 --> 00:25:35.600 let's go ahead and pull that up and this is 00:25:32.880 --> 00:25:40.400 absolutely huge news from my perspective i'm so thrilled about this because on 00:25:38.240 --> 00:25:43.520 the pc side of things if you're not able to hit 60 frames per second 00:25:42.559 --> 00:25:49.360 then okay like that sucks but 00:25:46.720 --> 00:25:53.279 worst case scenario there is a solution you can spend more money i guess and i 00:25:51.760 --> 00:25:58.240 know that's one of the criticisms of pc gaming is that it's kind of a sinkhole 00:25:56.080 --> 00:26:01.200 when it comes to how much you can end up spending on it 00:25:59.840 --> 00:26:05.679 but at least there is a solution with a 00:26:03.840 --> 00:26:10.400 console if you want to play some kind of a console exclusive and it happens to 00:26:08.240 --> 00:26:16.000 have you know hitches in the animations or it happens to not run 00:26:12.880 --> 00:26:17.840 completely smoothly at 60fps some games 00:26:16.000 --> 00:26:21.600 are coming out that do actually allow you to alter the detail levels but not 00:26:20.000 --> 00:26:27.360 everything does so this is great the xbox one s and the 00:26:24.400 --> 00:26:33.760 xbox one x are both going to get free sync support so on a supported display 00:26:30.320 --> 00:26:36.080 with HDMI 2.1 you'll be able to use 00:26:33.760 --> 00:26:40.960 freesync 2 which means that if you get a dip in your frame rate the tv's refresh 00:26:38.559 --> 00:26:47.279 rate will actually drop to match it perfectly which has a real world 00:26:44.320 --> 00:26:51.520 very significant benefit to the smoothness of the animations 00:26:49.840 --> 00:26:56.480 now right now james when we recorded this initially 00:26:54.559 --> 00:27:00.159 the first time because we had to restart the show a couple of 00:26:58.000 --> 00:27:06.240 times due to audio issues james brought up that right now there are no tvs on 00:27:02.559 --> 00:27:08.080 the market with support for the HDMI 2.1 00:27:06.240 --> 00:27:14.080 but you know from my perspective you have to start somewhere and 00:27:11.279 --> 00:27:19.039 i mean i would i i yeah okay so that is a bit of a drag 00:27:17.039 --> 00:27:23.360 i'll give you that but you got to start somewhere and at least this gives us an 00:27:20.960 --> 00:27:28.559 opportunity to move towards that in the future i mean especially trying to run 00:27:26.080 --> 00:27:33.760 like games at 4k on you know nothing against the xbox one 00:27:31.120 --> 00:27:38.640 x great console got a really positive review here but trying to run games at 00:27:35.279 --> 00:27:40.720 4k on anything is demanding right now 00:27:38.640 --> 00:27:45.120 and trying to run them on the xbox one x is well particularly demanding 00:27:44.000 --> 00:27:50.799 um so this this has the potential to be a real game changer in terms of animation 00:27:48.960 --> 00:27:53.600 smoothness on consoles that actually leads kind of nicely into another topic 00:27:52.400 --> 00:28:00.159 we have here which is that the NVIDIA g-sync 4k 144 00:27:57.679 --> 00:28:05.600 hertz monitors that you may have seen at ces last year in 2017 00:28:02.799 --> 00:28:10.480 uh but which were subsequently delayed are supposed to finally being being 00:28:08.320 --> 00:28:14.159 released in april but the question why i think this there 00:28:12.080 --> 00:28:17.679 was a good segue there is like what the heck what card are you going to 00:28:15.919 --> 00:28:23.919 use to run something in 4k at 144 hertz 00:28:20.880 --> 00:28:25.520 right now the only oh at 144 hertz oh 00:28:23.919 --> 00:28:29.279 nothing like you're not going to get anything yeah it's the frame rate that 00:28:27.520 --> 00:28:32.880 high to use it's kind of a funny product because it's like 00:28:30.559 --> 00:28:36.720 it's kind of like the product for no one so it's 00:28:34.880 --> 00:28:40.399 high frame rate or a high refresh rate for like esports titles 00:28:38.799 --> 00:28:45.600 but then no one playing league of legends 00:28:43.360 --> 00:28:51.120 is actually running at 4k like you you just you just wouldn't do that 00:28:49.200 --> 00:28:54.399 why would you like i i would rather if i was a pro 00:28:53.200 --> 00:29:00.000 gamer if i was a pro gamer i'm not if i was i 00:28:56.960 --> 00:29:02.480 would rather have 240 hertz 00:29:00.000 --> 00:29:07.520 at 1080p and from my understanding a lot of pros 00:29:05.279 --> 00:29:11.440 don't actually prefer these gigantic large format displays because it 00:29:09.600 --> 00:29:16.240 actually makes it so that they can't see everything that they need to see at once 00:29:14.559 --> 00:29:20.000 it seems to me like it's just the first product that has 00:29:18.240 --> 00:29:23.440 this suite of features that they're all going to have eventually 00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:26.159 they're just first yeah and then sort of the flip side of 00:29:25.039 --> 00:29:31.200 that is if you're more into like the sightseeing games you don't need the refresh rate 00:29:29.679 --> 00:29:36.960 you don't need that refresh rate because you're not going to be running those kinds of games at more than like 00:29:34.480 --> 00:29:40.799 60 frames per second no with that said though 00:29:38.559 --> 00:29:44.640 we don't know how the upcoming gpus whether it be they ampere or volta or 00:29:42.880 --> 00:29:48.640 whatever NVIDIA ends up calling their gtx 00:29:46.279 --> 00:29:52.000 22000 series i guess whatever they end up calling them 00:29:50.159 --> 00:29:55.840 we don't know how powerful they're gonna they're gonna be so that might be 00:29:55.919 --> 00:30:03.520 even the maple buffalo bacon's got a little bit of spice and it kind of went down my windpipe there i'm good i'm okay 00:30:01.679 --> 00:30:06.960 i'm not gonna die on lanchow i don't know if you know anything about why 00:30:05.120 --> 00:30:11.279 these monitors were delayed but could it have been to do with the HDMI 2.1 spec 00:30:09.600 --> 00:30:15.679 like is this thing going to use two cables or one these are displayport so 00:30:14.159 --> 00:30:20.159 as far as i know and this is just based on rumors that i 00:30:17.919 --> 00:30:24.799 read on the internet as far as i know it has to do with delays to NVIDIA's uh 00:30:23.120 --> 00:30:28.960 latest g-sync module okay you know what i think a giveaway 00:30:26.799 --> 00:30:34.320 was 144 hertz correct me if i'm wrong but i think even HDMI 2.1 is maxed out 00:30:32.159 --> 00:30:39.120 at 120. that might be right fact check that i'm 00:30:37.120 --> 00:30:43.679 still alive i'm still alive everyone's like rip ltd in the chat no i'm still 00:30:41.279 --> 00:30:43.679 alive 00:30:45.200 --> 00:30:50.399 i'm okay oh man 00:30:49.120 --> 00:30:56.080 all right in the meantime why don't we go on to 00:30:53.200 --> 00:31:00.640 your big your big topic here well so this happened uh this was posted 00:30:58.880 --> 00:31:05.279 by delicious on the forum the original article here 00:31:02.159 --> 00:31:06.720 is from rt.com 00:31:05.279 --> 00:31:11.840 the first pedestrian death 00:31:09.440 --> 00:31:18.640 has been not just like has not just happened but has been recorded 00:31:15.919 --> 00:31:21.600 from a self-driving car well naturally the thing 00:31:20.240 --> 00:31:24.640 is actually driving because of the cameras 00:31:24.640 --> 00:31:30.480 this is really sad so 49 year old elaine herzberg was struck by a self-driving 00:31:29.600 --> 00:31:35.279 uber uh last sunday night at 10 p.m it was dark out 00:31:33.919 --> 00:31:39.360 she was crossing the street with her bike in tempe arizona naturally a lot of 00:31:37.360 --> 00:31:43.519 these self-driving car testing projects are in arizona they made some attractive 00:31:41.440 --> 00:31:47.360 terms for to attract companies and they have pretty nice weather it's kind of 00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:52.720 easier the car was going 40 miles per hour an 00:31:49.919 --> 00:31:59.039 hour which is 65 kilometers and this is an suv it's a volvo 00:31:54.679 --> 00:32:01.120 xc90 suv so there was a backup safety 00:31:59.039 --> 00:32:03.200 net kind of driver a human driver in the vehicle 00:32:02.399 --> 00:32:10.080 and when the story broke we didn't have the footage of what the camera saw 00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:13.360 um the dash cam footage as it were so we we didn't know 00:32:11.200 --> 00:32:16.960 why didn't the backup driver react why didn't the human driver hit the brakes 00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:20.960 how was it possible that this woman was struck um 00:32:19.120 --> 00:32:25.360 the original details were just like irrelevant things like it was dark out 00:32:23.600 --> 00:32:29.440 and she wasn't at a cross rock neither of those have any impact or whether or 00:32:27.039 --> 00:32:33.760 not the car should stop so velodyne lidar said it won't be 00:32:31.679 --> 00:32:37.760 advising its customers to halt tests in the wake of this death because they 00:32:35.840 --> 00:32:42.720 don't believe the accident was due to the lidar which often it works even 00:32:40.559 --> 00:32:46.559 better at night due to less interference there's less noise they think it's 00:32:44.480 --> 00:32:50.559 possible they don't design the software uber does so it's possible that 00:32:48.960 --> 00:32:55.840 it's how the data was handled in the software end it's still unknown why the 00:32:52.399 --> 00:32:57.760 car didn't stop when the dash cam 00:32:55.840 --> 00:33:01.440 footage was released it became clear that there was 00:32:59.840 --> 00:33:05.279 if the dash cam footage looks like what it really looked like that night there's 00:33:03.039 --> 00:33:09.519 no way a human could have reacted she basically 00:33:06.960 --> 00:33:13.679 is not there and then there like she is crossing the street like in a shadow or 00:33:11.120 --> 00:33:17.039 something like that and even though the driver there's interior car footage and 00:33:15.760 --> 00:33:21.120 you can see that the driver is looking down and not paying attention um 00:33:19.679 --> 00:33:26.240 even if they were paying attention there's nothing they could do and a lot of the media was focusing on the driver 00:33:24.320 --> 00:33:29.840 and how this person has like a previous criminal record and whether or not 00:33:27.760 --> 00:33:33.519 uber's like policies like should have hired them it's completely irrelevant 00:33:34.480 --> 00:33:40.640 what we're wondering now is like obviously this is a big setback for the 00:33:38.000 --> 00:33:45.360 self-driving car community industry and and what's going to happen 00:33:42.000 --> 00:33:47.679 in california california was about to 00:33:45.360 --> 00:33:51.679 initiate programs like this there so it might take a little longer so uber has 00:33:49.600 --> 00:33:55.840 halted tests in san francisco phoenix pittsburgh and toronto 00:33:53.679 --> 00:33:59.279 um man like so here's the thing on the one 00:33:58.240 --> 00:34:03.120 hand you're gonna have the uh i forget the 00:34:01.440 --> 00:34:08.320 terms for them but you're gonna have the the the pragmatists that are going to go 00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:12.560 well you know what's one human life in the grand scheme of how many can be 00:34:10.079 --> 00:34:15.119 saved in an autonomous future but on the other hand 00:34:14.240 --> 00:34:23.839 thank you but on the other hand if this was like my kid 00:34:21.359 --> 00:34:28.720 like there's no no amount of no no amount of like other people getting to 00:34:26.079 --> 00:34:33.440 survive in the future does anything to make this any better for me 00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:36.639 and from my perspective like i'm reading an article like this and this is as 00:34:35.040 --> 00:34:40.960 someone who really wants to see self-driving cars 00:34:38.240 --> 00:34:43.440 succeed and wants to buy one as soon as humanly possible 00:34:42.560 --> 00:34:48.320 um i'm glad they're not allowing testing here in my neighborhood 00:34:46.960 --> 00:34:53.200 you know as soon as i read this i go well i'm glad this is being i'm glad someone else is the guinea pig 00:34:51.839 --> 00:34:58.720 and maybe that's the wrong way to think about it but well this is exactly why i said her name 00:34:56.800 --> 00:35:03.599 and age in the story here because when i posted this on my twitter when it first 00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:04.720 broke it was like i expected 00:35:03.599 --> 00:35:08.240 a lot more varied comments than i got the only 00:35:06.720 --> 00:35:14.839 comments were like you know in the future it'll be good 00:35:10.960 --> 00:35:14.839 but this is like a real person 00:35:16.160 --> 00:35:23.040 so regardless needless to say say the uh tests that occur without a driver 00:35:20.960 --> 00:35:26.400 present in the car which are i believe legally allowed in arizona yeah but 00:35:25.040 --> 00:35:30.760 we're on the cusp of being allowed in california are gonna be delayed 00:35:33.599 --> 00:35:41.520 man that's rough uh in other news 00:35:39.040 --> 00:35:46.240 what else do we got oh congress passes sesta slash foster 00:35:45.280 --> 00:35:50.640 which sounds like uh like like 00:35:48.480 --> 00:35:54.320 kind of like a hip bill it's like a foster bill you know it's 00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:56.880 like pretty fast you man yeah fossa actually we should start using it as 00:35:55.599 --> 00:36:02.000 like a cuss word yo that's pretty fast it's on 00:35:59.119 --> 00:36:07.280 okay i'm down yeah i think foster should mean good and jibo 00:36:04.640 --> 00:36:10.079 means bad like oh that is some foster no you think it's good 00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:16.800 cesta yeah i could see sesame spice like 00:36:14.079 --> 00:36:16.800 that's sister 00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:23.440 you're just saying it like zesty yeah but it's cesta you know cessna okay 00:36:22.560 --> 00:36:30.079 yeah no come on man this is a bill that ostensibly 00:36:27.119 --> 00:36:33.040 curbs online sex trafficking um but there are some critics that say it's 00:36:31.280 --> 00:36:37.040 going to increase online censorship stifle innovation and make everyone less 00:36:35.040 --> 00:36:41.440 safe online so congress passed it just they're just 00:36:39.280 --> 00:36:45.520 waiting for president trump's signature for it to become a law i i can't imagine 00:36:44.079 --> 00:36:50.880 him not signing anything that he can list in like his 00:36:48.160 --> 00:36:54.800 accomplishments like i actually think he would sign 00:36:52.720 --> 00:36:58.960 anything mind you with that said i think the the news that i looked at most 00:36:56.720 --> 00:37:03.040 recently said that he might not sign the the bill that funds the government for 00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:06.560 the next year or whatever the omnibus bill or whatever they're calling it 00:37:04.320 --> 00:37:09.280 right um anyway whole other whole other conversation 00:37:07.680 --> 00:37:15.040 so here's here's the here's the issue that 00:37:12.880 --> 00:37:18.240 that okay so on the one hand if we're actually preventing human trafficking 00:37:17.440 --> 00:37:24.800 by um by creating what is in effect sort of uh 00:37:23.599 --> 00:37:29.119 um a responsibility 00:37:26.640 --> 00:37:34.640 on these websites for the content that be is being posted by third parties if 00:37:32.480 --> 00:37:40.240 if we are actually helping people by doing that that's a good thing 00:37:37.200 --> 00:37:43.839 the problem is that what this creates is 00:37:40.240 --> 00:37:46.400 a burden on website owners and operators 00:37:43.839 --> 00:37:50.880 to be responsible for everything that is posted on their site not just everything 00:37:48.320 --> 00:37:56.160 that is present on their sites on an ongoing basis but everything that is 00:37:53.920 --> 00:37:59.520 posted on their sites and as someone who hosts 00:37:57.280 --> 00:38:06.480 a user submitted content forum i can tell you 00:38:02.560 --> 00:38:10.480 right now it is basically freaking 00:38:06.480 --> 00:38:13.520 impossible to police every single thing 00:38:10.480 --> 00:38:16.160 that someone might post on a website 00:38:13.520 --> 00:38:20.160 craigslist has already removed its personal section for fear of a cesta 00:38:18.640 --> 00:38:24.800 transgression that would affect the entire site which demonstrates right 00:38:22.560 --> 00:38:29.760 there that the community is interpreting this as too heavy of a touch to 00:38:27.520 --> 00:38:33.040 to want to risk to eat yeah to even want to 00:38:30.640 --> 00:38:37.359 want to like have a chance of running a foul of and that's a big part of their 00:38:35.440 --> 00:38:40.960 website the personals ad is not a trivial part of craigslist really tell 00:38:38.880 --> 00:38:45.200 me more oh you know there's uh 00:38:42.400 --> 00:38:45.200 that's how we met 00:38:45.520 --> 00:38:51.920 no i don't think we posted our a job posting on craigslist and it certainly 00:38:49.359 --> 00:38:54.240 wasn't impersonal job posting um 00:38:54.720 --> 00:39:01.359 oh boy and then so the argument though is that well you 00:38:59.440 --> 00:39:06.000 know if you have a site you should be responsible for what's on it 00:39:03.520 --> 00:39:11.119 and so you know companies like facebook or twitter for example might be able to 00:39:08.160 --> 00:39:15.440 build um you know ai or algorithmic protection mechanisms to keep offensive 00:39:13.440 --> 00:39:20.480 content from being posted but one of the arguments against cestus that says it 00:39:18.079 --> 00:39:24.400 could stifle innovation is that small companies like say for example 00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:30.480 Floatplane media inc might know what's that 00:39:26.880 --> 00:39:32.640 might not have access to expert lawyers 00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:38.320 and the same kinds of monitoring algorithms that a large company would 00:39:35.839 --> 00:39:43.440 and might just run the risk of having to say you know what look we 00:39:40.480 --> 00:39:47.920 can't afford to get buried in legal fees because we're like 00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:51.040 enabling online sex trafficking because like something went up on our 00:39:49.280 --> 00:39:56.400 site and we didn't see it for 20 minutes um and they might just shut down 00:39:54.000 --> 00:40:00.800 which could hurt the ability of the next facebook competitor to spring up out of 00:39:59.119 --> 00:40:04.480 nowhere which i mean you know i don't think anyone sees anything on the 00:40:02.160 --> 00:40:08.640 horizon like that but putting more barriers in place is not the solution 00:40:07.280 --> 00:40:14.160 and and i can tell you right now like it's already challenging so flow plane 00:40:11.280 --> 00:40:18.640 had a heck of a time getting credit card payments approved 00:40:16.079 --> 00:40:22.560 first the payment processor and this is all because of their underwriting bank 00:40:20.960 --> 00:40:26.800 that was requesting all this crap and i'm gonna say i'm going what what do you 00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:31.440 guys care anyway blockchain so they're so their payment processor wanted to see 00:40:29.440 --> 00:40:36.240 a finished site before they would give us access to the 00:40:34.000 --> 00:40:38.560 actual API hooks to integrate into the site a bit of a chicken and egg thing 00:40:37.359 --> 00:40:43.680 isn't it bit of a chicken and egg thing like what are you going to develop a whole site and then have a payment 00:40:41.119 --> 00:40:47.280 process or go and say you know that blue that's a little too 00:40:45.359 --> 00:40:51.760 blue um you know what we're going to pass we're 00:40:49.359 --> 00:40:56.079 just going to pass so they wanted that then we had to get on this conference 00:40:53.520 --> 00:41:01.920 call with them where we had to explain a couple of things number one 00:40:57.920 --> 00:41:04.400 is how we were going to um 00:41:01.920 --> 00:41:09.040 right how we were going to monitor user posted content and we're kind of sitting 00:41:06.079 --> 00:41:09.040 here going well like 00:41:09.280 --> 00:41:15.359 it's it's it's us like our sister company and 00:41:13.119 --> 00:41:18.839 like our friend kyle that are uploading to it right now like 00:41:17.040 --> 00:41:23.119 i don't think this is going to be an issue but that count like comments are 00:41:20.960 --> 00:41:28.400 under that umbrella are they not yes but comments are a little bit easier 00:41:25.839 --> 00:41:32.839 to moderate because you can but again though it comes down to 00:41:30.240 --> 00:41:37.839 imposing on websites um the the the restriction that you'll 00:41:36.319 --> 00:41:41.119 just have to kind of uh narrow down like you'll you'll have 00:41:39.440 --> 00:41:45.359 to effectively make the comments a little less open and a little less free 00:41:43.040 --> 00:41:49.520 because we could crack down on uh people being able to post uh gifs for example 00:41:48.079 --> 00:41:54.800 or we could crack down on people being able to post links links those are those 00:41:51.839 --> 00:42:00.560 are pretty easy ways to keep um you know sex traffic and a spam filter for 00:41:57.760 --> 00:42:04.160 certain addiction yep um but but that will that will make an effect our 00:42:01.920 --> 00:42:07.760 comments more censored than we otherwise might have preferred to have them 00:42:05.920 --> 00:42:11.440 um so anyway the other then the other thing they wanted to know is what our 00:42:09.440 --> 00:42:13.599 plan was to keep adult content off the site and we're kind of sitting here 00:42:12.480 --> 00:42:17.280 going look i'm not going to name any names because i'm just 00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:22.000 it's just been it has really been that kind of week um my week's been fine i don't great 00:42:21.040 --> 00:42:27.200 good so i just don't like i don't want to i want to get into it but we're kind of 00:42:25.280 --> 00:42:30.960 going okay a there's nothing on your terms of service this is anything about 00:42:28.800 --> 00:42:33.599 adult content for one thing to which their response was well we can't keep 00:42:32.319 --> 00:42:38.000 our terms of service updated at all times and kind of go what are you talking about they're like well you know 00:42:36.400 --> 00:42:42.240 that's why we have us to explain the internal terms of service to people and 00:42:40.640 --> 00:42:49.119 i'm like so you have internal terms of service and external terms of service 00:42:46.240 --> 00:42:52.800 here's an idea why don't you just have one terms of service well what else is 00:42:50.800 --> 00:42:57.359 on that internal terms of service great question what did what a tremendous question so 00:42:55.440 --> 00:43:02.240 glad you asked what a great audience yeah um 00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:07.359 and so we want one okay you don't have that in your terms of service and two we 00:43:04.880 --> 00:43:12.400 know for a fact that there's at least one major site that does offer adult 00:43:11.119 --> 00:43:18.079 content that uses you as a payment processor 00:43:15.760 --> 00:43:23.760 and has for years maybe that's why what is the deal 00:43:21.119 --> 00:43:27.280 and anyway after the whole the whole entire 00:43:24.800 --> 00:43:31.520 interview process we did manage to get approved we're getting the code 00:43:28.720 --> 00:43:36.480 integrated naturally the sandbox apis totally 00:43:33.040 --> 00:43:38.160 doesn't jive with the actual one so it 00:43:36.480 --> 00:43:41.680 wasn't just plug and play like it's supposed to be 00:43:39.520 --> 00:43:45.280 but that's why luke's not here he's working on that right now but we're 00:43:43.760 --> 00:43:49.599 hoping to have credit card processing working pretty soon but but anyway 00:43:47.040 --> 00:43:53.599 coming back to sesta foster um 00:43:51.119 --> 00:44:00.800 the issue here is that putting more barriers in in the way of small online 00:43:57.119 --> 00:44:03.280 companies has a real impact like every 00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:06.240 week that we spend [ __ ] around with some kind of 00:44:04.800 --> 00:44:11.359 regulatory thing is another week that we can't be 00:44:09.200 --> 00:44:17.520 developing products and services that make creators and their viewers happy 00:44:13.520 --> 00:44:18.800 and it's very frustrating with that said 00:44:17.520 --> 00:44:24.000 you know the human trafficking is a travesty and a 00:44:22.240 --> 00:44:26.960 living nightmare for the people that are involved in it 00:44:25.359 --> 00:44:33.119 well on the one end of it not the other end i don't think i think they're prob they probably sleep fine at night um 00:44:31.200 --> 00:44:36.560 somehow and you know you want to see something 00:44:34.720 --> 00:44:38.880 done about it but it just doesn't really seem like 00:44:38.079 --> 00:44:43.599 this is it 00:44:41.440 --> 00:44:47.440 here's another non-answer or a non-way to go this is kind of 00:44:45.200 --> 00:44:52.240 related have you seen this this is state legislation pending in rhode island 00:44:50.720 --> 00:44:58.160 which would force internet service providers to block sexual content by 00:44:55.119 --> 00:45:00.079 default until the internet user does 00:44:58.160 --> 00:45:04.800 the following requests in writing that the capability 00:45:02.400 --> 00:45:09.119 be disabled presents identification to verify that that particular user is 18 00:45:06.720 --> 00:45:13.119 years old or older acknowledges receiving like you've got to wait for 00:45:10.640 --> 00:45:16.400 something to mail that receive a written warning regarding the potential danger 00:45:14.880 --> 00:45:22.000 of deactivating the digital blocking capability of this uh sexual content and 00:45:20.160 --> 00:45:25.920 pays 20 bucks as a digital access fee i don't know 00:45:23.839 --> 00:45:30.240 about you but if i really wanted to look at porn on the internet 00:45:27.760 --> 00:45:33.359 a i wouldn't pay 20 for it and b i could not wait that long 00:45:33.359 --> 00:45:37.440 and yes we did talk about this last week 00:45:37.440 --> 00:45:46.960 all right well it still sucks especially for anyone in rhode island 00:45:46.960 --> 00:45:51.440 all right so this was posted by sc2 mitch on the 00:45:50.319 --> 00:45:57.520 forum elon musk has gotten involved in hashtag 00:45:55.760 --> 00:46:00.319 delete facebook no way 00:45:58.800 --> 00:46:05.359 so the original article here is from the guardian hit us with the facts on this one well 00:46:03.040 --> 00:46:09.680 this is laser james this is the deep context source this is like if you don't 00:46:07.920 --> 00:46:14.480 know why facebook's in trouble to begin with we're going here 00:46:12.319 --> 00:46:18.960 so what happened was facebook sees itself as a platform instead of just an 00:46:16.480 --> 00:46:23.359 ad company so they don't care about giving away tons of personal data which 00:46:21.440 --> 00:46:26.480 would be very valuable to an ad company like google they don't mind giving that 00:46:24.960 --> 00:46:30.400 away to developers who are going to develop facebook apps because they want 00:46:28.160 --> 00:46:34.640 to be a platform like microsoft so what they did starting around 2010 was if 00:46:32.720 --> 00:46:38.160 you're building an app for facebook you can get access to a ton of profile data 00:46:36.720 --> 00:46:42.319 and not just data from the people who use these apps 00:46:40.160 --> 00:46:47.280 but data from their friends so what happened was a psychologist professor at 00:46:45.200 --> 00:46:51.680 cambridge made an app paid a couple hundred thousand people to 00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:57.280 take a survey which is what the app was for thereby getting access to all those 00:46:54.960 --> 00:47:00.880 users data on facebook and all their friends which amounted to about 50 00:46:59.200 --> 00:47:03.599 million different profiles worth of personal data 00:47:02.240 --> 00:47:09.440 that data then was against facebook terms of service 00:47:06.240 --> 00:47:10.640 given to cambridge analytica a company 00:47:09.440 --> 00:47:15.119 it's against the terms of service because once you get this data you're not allowed to use it for any 00:47:13.359 --> 00:47:20.640 advertising purpose which is what cambridge analytica ended up doing they 00:47:17.119 --> 00:47:22.319 use it to make highly targeted ads 00:47:20.640 --> 00:47:27.920 to target these people in a very specific way all these 50 million people 00:47:24.480 --> 00:47:30.160 they served 10 000 different nuanced ads 00:47:27.920 --> 00:47:34.880 to to kind of uh sway the american election 00:47:32.640 --> 00:47:39.359 well attempt to attempt to sway it we can't prove it worked we don't know 00:47:37.680 --> 00:47:43.520 we're not experts so now this has all come to light 00:47:41.119 --> 00:47:46.720 facebook's in trouble a famous hashtag delete facebook has been started by uh 00:47:45.599 --> 00:47:52.640 one of the people who benefited tremendously from facebook the founder 00:47:50.480 --> 00:47:56.160 one of the co-founders of whatsapp brian acton 00:47:53.599 --> 00:48:00.319 um he started delete facebook he and then elon musk got called out 00:47:59.280 --> 00:48:05.760 about the delete facebook hashtag and he said 00:48:02.720 --> 00:48:07.520 oh that exists okay 00:48:05.760 --> 00:48:11.440 let's just take down our spacex and test the facebook pages which they've done 00:48:09.680 --> 00:48:16.640 and we don't know if musk is trolling because he kind of does that or if he 00:48:13.280 --> 00:48:16.640 believes in the cause or what 00:48:17.280 --> 00:48:20.680 in other news 00:48:20.720 --> 00:48:25.359 we got wrecked by gamer's nexus what the heck 00:48:25.599 --> 00:48:32.079 what are you talking about look at this we were number five 00:48:29.520 --> 00:48:36.319 reserve gunslinger and gamers nexus all knocked us off of the of the leaderboard 00:48:33.920 --> 00:48:41.839 for the NVIDIA titan v what leaderboard is this 00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:45.040 this is 3d mark time spy extreme oh 00:48:41.839 --> 00:48:45.040 that red bastard 00:48:46.079 --> 00:48:51.359 well no promises that we'll take another 00:48:49.280 --> 00:48:54.559 crack at it but uh i don't like seeing i don't like seeing 00:48:53.200 --> 00:48:58.480 that canadian flag all the way down there 00:48:56.319 --> 00:49:03.240 that's no fun that's weak sorry this everyone's top seven baby never yet 00:49:04.480 --> 00:49:10.400 ah so no no comments on the facebook thing 00:49:08.720 --> 00:49:14.800 okay that was quite a segway you just handed me um no i don't i don't really have 00:49:13.119 --> 00:49:17.760 anything to say on that one apparently the audio is a mess again i don't even 00:49:16.720 --> 00:49:23.520 know i don't even know what to tell people um 00:49:21.440 --> 00:49:27.200 i wanna talk about rage racing no 00:49:25.680 --> 00:49:32.000 i don't know what else is there you know what i'm done i i've had enough of this 00:49:29.280 --> 00:49:35.760 week so goodbye 00:49:33.359 --> 00:49:41.840 forever until next week same bat time same bad channel goodbye 00:49:45.280 --> 00:49:48.280 wow 00:50:02.400 --> 00:50:04.480 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