The WAN Show - STEAM Refunds?? Also Computex Happened! - June 5, 2015
Linus Tech Tips
·Linus Tech Tips
·2016-05-06
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16,290 words · ~81 min read
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uh Luke is very fond of talking about how whenever I'm not here the show
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starts on time so I would like for you guys to note that he's not here and the
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show almost started on time so clearly
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it's actually uh him amplifying my
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lateness and that's why whenever we're both here the show is
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late yes that is the that is the obvious
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conclusion that we can draw here so as you guys probably noticed already and if
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you didn't then hopefully the part where I pointed out that Luke's not here would
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have drawn you to this conclusion Luke
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is not here he is over in computex and so the first topic of the day is
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actually something that I should probably do after the intro right so
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we've got a great show for you guys today we have all of our computex
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coverage some of the highlights from that we've got AMD unveiling many many
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more details about their upcoming Fiji although it looks like we're going to
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have to wait a little bit for the rest of it NVIDIA launches mobile g-sync
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which by the way I have inh housee
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already and tons and tons of monitors oh
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yeah right the huge news this week valve pulled a 180 on their customer service
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and they're offering well okay whatever I'll tell you guys about it later for
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now let's roll the intro
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oh come on one of these days that's
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going to work and then I will be happy so right now you guys are you know what
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forget it then sponsors today linda.com
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fresh books and uh Dollar Shave Club
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there you go we are just I don't care we're just not going to have an intro I
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give up um you know what uh I've got some people
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saying they thought that Luke would call in he said that last week but quite
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frankly um it's 7 a. over there right now or 7:30 and if you guys noticed some
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skepticism on my part when he was saying that he was going to call in it was
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because I can do time zones and I knew
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that he was like straight up a going to be probably not awake at that time and B
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I knew he was going to be busting his butt over the course of the week getting
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a bunch of great coverage of computex for you guys and therefore or probably
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not in any condition where he would want to or I would even want him to be doing
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an hour and a half live stream because they have absolutely kicked ass over at
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computex in fact we can go and I don't think yeah I don't think there's
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anything here that's like super super top secret but I'm going to post some of
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the links uh and you guys should definitely check this out later if
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you're watching the archive I will link these below the video but uh the Corsair
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Bulldog huge deal over at computex
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Corsair not necessarily because of the
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Corsair Bulldog but because it's going
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mainstream guys like Silverstone have been trying to do the whole yeah we've
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got like a full-size graphics card and a really small form factor or small
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internal volume enclosure for some time n case released the M1 which was this
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super small fullsize graphics card thing well now a mainstream case manufacturer
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and it's kind of funny for me to say that because I still remember when they launched the 800d and the store that I
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worked for was like nervous about bringing in too many because a COR a
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case gee I don't know will it work will it not work yeah it turns out they're a
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mainstream Casemaker now and they are acknowledging the small form factor
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console size case very cool stuff next
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up we've got uh what's the other one oh yeah MSI desktop gpus for their AIO and
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laptop now MSI hasn't complet completely
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redone the whole gs30 Shadow Concept in
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fact what they were showing off was same
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laptop but now they have a sexier enclosure for it so instead of being
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stuck with that ginormous external box that just had a standard ATX power
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supply in it they have something that is a little bit sexier so that's pretty
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cool too ah yes GTX 780 Ti variant so
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always a big hit it's it's funny because it blows me away every single time how
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much you guys love the latest high-end graphics cards our GTX 780 Ti review has
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400,000 views and that went up what a
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week ago that's like scrapyard Wars
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levels of viewership in the first week that's absolutely crazy so Luke actually
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highlighted a couple of aftermarket designed 780 Ti one from ASUS one from
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Gigabyte and did I say 780 I keep doing
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this you know what's really funny 980 TI I know I get out of here 980 TI I know
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um I actually started hearing rumors
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about the gtx980ti um probably around the same
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time you guys started hearing rumors about it and a lot of the time there's a
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lot of Truth to the rumors and so I
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reached out to my NVIDIA contact I was like yo dog can I get a sample of the
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780 Ti and I did it not once but twice
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twice in the first email my subject line was blah blah blah blah blah something
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780 Ti hey blah blah blah something 780 Ti
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and he replied to me he's like um yeah
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sure I can send you a sample but it's like kind of old and I'm just like you
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troll you knew what I meant you knew what I meant you Troll and then when I
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sent a follow-up email I don't even think I got an answer because NVIDIA are
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like the kings of if it ain't out it
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ain't being talked about they are they are pretty good at keeping secrets so uh
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yes 980 TI nonreference 980 TI and then
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one of the other big ones you guys should save these URLs for later if you
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haven't already checked out the videos this is another really big one inwin
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launched like the most boners or
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announced I don't think it's actually available yet announced like the most
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boners case ever uh check this out oh
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yeah I do want to do a huge thanks to our sponsors over at computex that's
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linda.com and MSI look at this thing
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this is the kind of stuff that like
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concept cars are made of like typically you expect a case like this to just be
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like a oneoff that some modder made not
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the case at all this will be an actual
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case that you can actually buy uh here's
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some footage from Brandon of the thing transforming look at that I mean is that
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is that is that not ridiculous electrician training really I guess I
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could be an electrician sure why not that lighting holy crap inwin is one of
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those companies where like 5 years ago as far as I could tell they only made
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Cheapo commodity cases and like bad power supplies and then all of a sudden
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they decided to like okay we're going to do like
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tempered glass side panels on this one we're going to do like this crazy
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transforming thing and they decided to totally shake up the case industry I
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don't know if they're shaking it up necessarily in terms of sales volumes
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because some of those products have been pretty darn expensive but they are
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definitely shaking it up in terms of design which is very cool stuff so let's
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get into the news for this week our first and I'm going to have to be the
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one so this was posted by Z mule and I'll have to be the one who posts these
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links in the forum for you guys unfortunately cuz I don't have my lovely
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assistant this week but um a nonch
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reports that the gtx980ti shows a
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significant difference in pixel fill rates compared to the GTX Titan X and
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what's interesting about this is the fact that their real world performance
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is so similar depending on who you ask so I
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was uh so hold on first we'll go through um so the so in synthetic performance
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tests you'll see a similar performance between the two cards in general but the
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980ti loses two polymorph engines in test Mark due to losing two smm though
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that doesn't really hinder the 980ti in gaming or in in that test overall the
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980ti loses some rasterization throughput from the smm lost but the 15%
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drop is larger than can be accounted for by the two SMS uh which account for
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approximately 10% right now there's 5% that cannot be accounted for at this
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point in testing so the 980 TI is actually a little bit of a mystery right
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now so there's some weird differences in pixel fill rate there's some weird
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differences in test Mark and there's some weird there's some weird stuff that
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I can't really account for in the real world performance as well because I was talking to the NC guys and they had 980
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TI as a clear loser to Titan X where
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whereas actually in the Anon Tech review and in my review I had it pretty damn
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close and I was pretty sure at the time
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of releasing mine that the difference could be accounted for by my 980 TI
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boosting up higher than my GTX Titan X
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but based on some of these synthetic tests over at a nonch we could be
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looking at something a little bit deeper than that and NVIDIA has been doing this
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lately where they really don't want to talk about
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the architecture of the chip a lot um
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they tried to pull that off with GTX 980 and 970 and whether unintentionally or
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intentionally and I'll leave it to whoever wears whichever color of tinf
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foil hat they wear to determine you know what they thought I personally don't
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think NVIDIA intentionally um screwed up
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the specs of the 970 TI what happened was because they didn't give the press a
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lot of information about the architecture that wasn't discovered for
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months and it turned into vran gate with people trading in their GTX 970s and
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demanding full refunds because it didn't have the maximum memory bandwidth for
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the last 500 Megs of that 4 gig frame buffer
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so hopefully we're not looking at anything like that the reality of it is
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it doesn't seem to be affecting 4K gaming performance in any meaningful way
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that's validated by all of my 4K testing on the card
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so it looks like a kickass card hopefully this doesn't uh this is this
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is this is not going to be any kind of an issue um ASUS is showing off a new
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professional grade 4k monitor this was posted by the Gage on the Forum I'm
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going to go ahead and I'm pretty much going to treat the whole show today by
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the way guys like rapid fire because I
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straight up am not going to have I'm not going to be able to hit all these topics
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if I if I don't do that so the source here is pcdiy ASUS.com and this thing
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looks absolutely sick ASUS has really
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stepped up their game in terms of monitors going from just being kind of
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Cheapo uh commodity stuff all the way up
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to some pretty fantastic displays I mean
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the Rog Swift pg278q was undeniably in my mind the
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best gaming monitor on the market when it launched it has since um it's had
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it's got some tough competition right now for me from acers for kg sync IPS as
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well as from benq's xl2730z not because I think the 2730 Z
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is necessarily a better monitor but because it comes in at a significantly
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lower price it has free sync but not g-sync so AMD gamers are going to have
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to choose that anyway if they want variable refresh rate and on top of all
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that stuff uh the BenQ monitor supports additional inputs which right now any
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g-sync monitor is not going to be able to do so this one looks pretty fantastic
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it's 4K of course it's geared towards
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professionals it features 100% at OB RGB color gamut it's got 138 pixels per inch
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which is going to make sense since it's a 32in monitor and supports a 10 pit uh
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supports has a 10bit display with a 16bit lookup table which is important
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because the way that a monitor approximates a color behind the scenes
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so with the more granularity it can do that actually the better it can
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represent it on the panel itself even if the panel can't actually display as many
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colors as the lookup table can understand NVIDIA launches mobile gsync
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the original poster here is good bites and we've got a number of different
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sources here I guess I'll go ahead and fire up the Anon one since uh I I love
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those guys they're good guys over there good old Ryan Smith and Dr cutress
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and uh I'm sure I'm forgetting someone else who's really nice those are the guys that I sort of have actually
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chatted with anyway um what do they what do we have to say about it always
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synchronized variable overdrive actually variable overdrive is kind of important
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I can talk a little bit about that but not not too too much uh SLI support uh
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Window mode support so g-sync is actually getting a fair bit of cool
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stuff Window mode support's a big one a lot of people prefer gaming in uh full
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screen Window mode and that was not supported in G with g-sync up until now
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so they went ahead they launched that along with the 980ti uh variable
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overdrive is something I didn't talk about at all in my 980ti video even
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though it's news that came out around the same time and what it means is okay
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so pixel response times when you talk about gray to gray or black to white or
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you know whatever however however LCD
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manufacturers want to talk about pixel response times is basically the amount
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of time in milliseconds that it takes for an individual pixel on average to go
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from one color to another color whatever spec whatever color shift we're looking
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at so gr to gray would be gray and then back to gray so pixel response times are
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a factor for color reproduction because
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if you have a moving object across the screen and the pixels can't respond fast
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enough you're going to have weird like a weird color ghost behind moving objects
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where there is a high contrast uh line so something like a freelancer was a
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great example of this bit of an older game now but so are most of the games
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that I've logged serious hours in and on my old Dell 24in monitor I really
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noticed that whenever the the wing tips of my spacecraft moved around there was
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a serious um we used to call it Mo we
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called it ghosting and then we decided that wasn't right and then we called it motion blur I think we're back to
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calling it ghosting I don't know whatever there's a trailing uh
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discoloration behind behind wing tips whenever there's a high contrast line
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now variable refresh rate throws a real
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monkey wrench into this because what you can do through a feature called
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overdrive is you can actually push the pixels harder to change faster and
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that's how you're able that's one of the ways that you can reduce pixel response
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time and reduce this motion blur but variable refresh rate so when the when
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the pixels are actually being told to refresh at uneven intervals can cause
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not necessarily A blurry artifact behind a moving object but what it can cause is
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differences in the stage that the pixels
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are at in terms of switching colors depending on how quickly the whole panel
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is refreshing so NVIDIA's basically come
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out with a way to have OverDrive applied
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on the Fly according to how quickly the
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monitor is refreshing and that's uh that's a new g-sync feature but the big
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one the one I'm supposed to be talking about is mobile g-sync and this was
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causing waves right around the same time as vram gate because it was kind of
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revealed through a site that was using a driver that assus had um accidentally
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leaked to them revealed that there was a particular assus laptop I believe it was
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the g751 that could be tricked into running
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gsync but it wasn't quite working PC perspective did a great followup on it
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where they really investigated it found out it wasn't quite working right but
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what this revealed was that g-sync could run without a dedicated g-sync scaler
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chip and in fact in notebooks it was speculated at the time that was how it
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would be run because of power constraints and space constraints on
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notebooks so um so that looks like what
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has finally happened so there you go the
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one that we actually have here in house is not from not from ASUS in fact we
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didn't get it uh we didn't get it sampled by NVIDIA either it's um it's a
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company called Sager or Sager I'm gonna I'll find out before I do my review what
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the correct pronunciation is for it but um they they make laptops and they've
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got they've sent us a one of their one of their models that actually has a
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4790k desktop CPU in it it's got a GTX
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98m and it's got a 75 HZ variable
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refresh rate 1080p IPS display in it that I have played around with a little
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bit now and I got to tell you guys gsync on mobile makes a lot of sense just like
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it makes sense on a desktop to me I love variable refresh rate and uh yeah it's a
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great gaming experience so it uses embedded DisplayPort remember guys that
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um that laptops have already had some
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manner certain ones some manner of variable refresh rate for some time it
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was used as a power saving feature so now it's uh so now it's using embedded
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DisplayPort in order to enable this particular feature there's no power consuming chip required and it's
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actually very similar to how AMD freesync functions on the desktop side
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so those two technologies should perform quite similarly on mobile now something
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that is not clear as of yet is whether
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NVIDIA is going to enable g-sync moduel
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Less g-sync on the desktop and adopt an
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open standard or or do whatever else it is down the road but the sort of the
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word on the street and what NVIDIA has said publicly is that there's more that
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they can do with the g-sync module than what they can do without the g-sync
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module so mobile g-sync is going to be better than no g-sync or no free sync
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but mobile gsync might not necessarily ever be able to be as good as desktop
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g-sync so stay tuned for that let me
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just see if I'm missing anything else apparently Optimus is not available with
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mobile g-sync yet since there's no support from Intel as of yet and I guess
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that's pretty much it um yeah other than
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that it's pretty much the way gsync works so AMD Fiji was somewhat unveiled
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at computex so this was posted by Dr
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deconstruct on the Forum let's go ahead and post this link in here hey look at
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that I can get 4,000 of you to watch
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even if I don't have Luke maybe I should just get rid of him entirely cuz what do
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we what do we get about 6,000 when we do have Luke yeah okay I guess he's still
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pulling his weight around here just kidding I I feel weird I feel weird
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hosting the show without having Luke here accompanying me but I totally
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understand he needs to sleep they've done a great job at the show uh let's go
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ahead and pull this up so this is video
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cards.com but quite frankly there have been so many leaks and so many uh
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there's so much speculation that all kind of points in the same direction that I think anyone's pretty much as
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credible as anyone else when it comes to radon R9 Theory as it is rumored to be
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going to be called so the current sort
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of General consensus among rumors is that radon R9 390x and down are going to
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be rebrands maybe not straight rebrands
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because it was also revealed that amds
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oh and I'm going to screw it up because there's so many code names um I believe
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it was Tonga Tonga
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384bit let's just have a quick look yes so AMD actually this is from
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wccf Tech AMD's Tonga GPU which um again
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this is off memory but I believe our buddy Scott Watson over at tech report
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was pretty damn sure was a
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384bit memory controller uh capable chip
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uh even though the only card it's appeared in is a 256
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memory controller card like memory interface card um it looks like if
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that's who said it and I'm pretty darn sure it was it looks like he was right
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so even though the current rumor is that
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anything 390x and down is basically going to be re Badges of current
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gpus we might get some curve balls
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thrown in there especially if AMD decides to do a fully enabled Tonga so
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the rumor then is that the um Fiji GPU is going to appear in a
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Halo type card much like NVIDIA's Titan
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series and it's going to be called The Fury which if you've been following uh
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formerly ATI but now AMD graphics cards
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for a really long time might be a bit of a familiar name Rage Fury anybody
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remember those so it looks like this might be a bit of a throwback kind of
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name to the old ATI dat but there you go it's pictured here Fiji
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makes a public appearance there's four stacks of high bandwidth memory remember
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guys that's one of the things that makes it super high bandwidth the fact that
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they are able to put it right next to the GPU instead of having it take up a
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bunch of space on a board and uh there
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you go that's it being shown off by AMD so this is on video
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cards.com very cool um current current
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rumors also suggest that Fiji is going to be quite a small graphics card and
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given that you don't need a bunch of room on the PCB it kind of makes sense
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but uh you know what I kind of want to do a straw pull about this straw
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pull do you guys feel like a smaller
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graphics card um does it feel like
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you're getting less for your money does
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a small graphics card make your
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EP feel inadequate because it's not like
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NVIDIA's never done this before I mean the GTX 670 was a a second from the top
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tier card effectively and it had that tiny short PCB and then it had like that
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that penis extension as I called it at the time plastic shroud extension that
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made the card actually bigger that reduced compatibility with uh here let's
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um okay so let's go with come up with a
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nonsense option um so so NVIDIA's
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actually done that before but if you water cool so right so they hurt compatibility with cases in order to
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make it like seem bigger and also to have room for the blower fan but that's
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neither here nor there and guys who water cooled those things ended up with
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like this like badass looking motherboard and like huge RAM with
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lights all over it and then this like ity bitty graphics card and it kind of
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like I almost felt like it was like a way to get you to buy a GTX 680 just to
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get a decent size card so it would look cool in your system so I want to hear
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from you guys does a small graphics card
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make your EP feel inadequate so if you bought a Fiji for you know let's say
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similar price let's say somewhere between GTX 980 TI pricing so you know
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650 bucks and like titanex pricing so $1,000 would you feel like you got
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ripped off if it was small uh we've got 47% of you saying no it's no big deal
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doesn't matter uh we've got 35 5% of you
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though saying that yes a small graphics
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card makes me feel inadequate which is
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which is pretty darn interesting with uh 18% of you voting for
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eyeliner which is great I mean if you
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guys can wear it nearly as well as Johnny Depp then I feel pretty good for
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you all right Microsoft explains what
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you will lose by upgrading to Windows 10
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this was posted by fuzzy crumpkin let's
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go ahead and copy the the link I can't believe we're like almost
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half an hour into the show because I have so many topics today the original
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article here is from The Verge so let's go ahead and pull that bad boy up Go
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internet Microsoft explains what you'll lose because they're offering it and you
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guys have probably seen notifications in fact I'm screen sharing right now there
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you go so the process goes a little something like this get Windows 10
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Reserve okay install
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enjoy blah blah blah blah blah blah blah so here they tell us a bunch of good
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stuff about it and then you go ahead and you I think something here whatever I
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don't know I did it on another computer I don't understand how to do it anymore apparently learn more on Windows.com
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whatever so the point is they're not really talking about some of the things
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that you are going to lose so Windows Media Center is going away so if you're
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one of the seven people on Earth who uses Windows Media Center then you might
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be a little bit disappointed and there is no downgrade that I'm aware of
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Microsoft seems to be confident enough this is not that this is not a Vista and
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people are not going to be clamoring to downgrade and then upgrade later if at
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all um new drivers will be required for
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floppy discs so if you were still using a floppy disc you might want to stick
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with uh Windows 7 or Windows 8 Cortana
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will only be available in the US UK China France Italy Germany and Spain at
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launch so Canada is getting no love although that's not necessarily
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something that upgraders lose since it's not like they had Catana anyway watching
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DVDs will require separate playback
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software so that's something that they've been including for quite some time and looks like will no longer be
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included with that said I don't watch a ton of DVDs on my computer in
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fact most of the computers that I mostly care about these days are portable ones
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and I don't even have DVD drives in them in fact a lot of people are building desktops without DVD drives in them mine
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actually has a DVD drive that plays CDs
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DVDs HD DVDs and Blu-rays so I'm
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equipped for any Optical media but the last time I used it was when I convinced
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myself I was going to play uh Alice madness Returns and then I never got
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around to it and then I eventually pulled it out of the drive because I was sick of it spinning up every time I
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turned on my computer and got annoyed so there you go maybe you use a DVD drive I
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personally don't uh what else we got here uh Windows hello biometric
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passwords we'll need infrared camera for facial recognition or a supported
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fingerprint reader and Xbox music and Xbox video streaming apps will be
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constrained by region-based licenses uh Pro oh this is something
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very interesting Pro and Enterprise editions will be able to defer updat so
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that is to say they'll be able to say yeah no I'm I'm not ready yet I'll take
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an update later Windows 10 the normal
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one for like normal people home people will not have that option updates will
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be downloaded and installed automatically once they are available
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now a big part of me is upset about that
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because from a productivity standpoint that can be super duper annoying and a
28:39
big part of me is upset about that because I don't like someone telling me
28:44
how to use my computer but a big part of me kind of goes H you know what they're
28:48
right because how often is it if you
28:52
guys are you know what let's straw pull the crap out of this too because this is
28:55
kind of a big deal how often is it and I want to hear from the guys who do like
29:00
on the side or professional Tech work for like family or friends or in a store
29:06
um so Windows
29:11
updates mandatory yay or
29:17
nay yay nay
29:24
um how many of you guys have a machine
29:27
brought into your shop or given to you that's like oh it's really slow and it's
29:31
got lots of viruses and you kind of sit there and go
29:35
well GE maybe if you'd allowed your computer to install an update once in
29:40
the last I don't know 4 years you wouldn't be having this problem because
29:46
it's not necessarily about you it's
29:50
about most of the users out there and if
29:53
Windows updates being rolled out more quickly means that it's less easy for
30:00
malware to propagate and for what for
30:04
computers to be compromised is that not good for us all as a whole I understand
30:09
that bandwidth constraints are a big problem for some people and I get that
30:14
but yeah geez I don't know looks like you guys are pretty divided on this as
30:18
well with 47% of you 48% figuring yay
30:22
you know let's make the mandatory 39% of you saying nay and 13% of you all
30:28
agreeing with each other that surfing is cool
30:32
so I wish that I could kind of go on a
30:35
tie raade now and say this is the right thing this is the answer and they've got
30:39
it wrong or they've got it right but I don't I don't have a clear answer uh one
30:44
thing that I do know is that you know as a Professional
30:49
Organization like here at at work you know as a pro
30:53
user I might pay a little extra for a pro license to not have to you know just
30:58
have our computers randomly install updates and shut down or whatever the
31:02
case may be so gee man I don't know ssds
31:07
continue to get cheaper uh this was posted by on the Forum by E chondo let
31:11
me go ahead and post the link here
31:15
SanDisk has a two terabyte SSD for
31:20
$1,000 now 2 terab ssds are not
31:23
necessarily the newest thing in the world in fact we were talking on Wow
31:27
about about a 6 terb SSD not that long
31:31
ago 2 terab for $11,000 means
31:36
50s per gig and I remember everyone
31:40
wanted that $1 per gig Mark that was what everyone wanted and then it
31:44
happened and then ssds exploded and went mainstream um the fact that we're seeing
31:48
this now if I'm a hard drive maker boy
31:52
am I afraid because Mo's law dictates
31:55
that this is going to be half the price in I believe it's uh I believe it's a
32:00
year so every what is it every year we double the transistor density orah so
32:06
this should be half the price in a year maybe even cheaper once SanDisk has a
32:10
little bit of competition here that is
32:14
incredible because it's not that everyone needs a two terab boot Drive in
32:18
fact I don't think everyone needs a two terab boot drive and I think that the
32:22
amount of storage that people need as a boot Drive is going to it's going to
32:26
intersect with the speed at which ssds are increasing in capacity so it's going
32:31
to happen even sooner ssds aren't going to have to catch up to hard drives so
32:35
people are going to need their bulk storage they're going to have a Nas or they're going to have a DropBox account
32:39
that they pay way too much for whatever else the case may be they're going to have their bulk magnetic storage and
32:44
then they're only going to need I think
32:47
512 gigs is lots and one tbte is as much
32:52
as we'll ever need and don't quote me on that I know but one tbte was kind of a
32:58
magic point for hard drives when people that was like the time when people
33:02
stopped caring about new hard drives one tab was a super magic time for hard
33:06
drives I think affordable one tbte drives is going to be a super magic time
33:11
for ssds as well because that's enough to have a handful of games installed
33:16
even if you're a gamer and if you're going to start streaming games over the
33:20
Internet especially for the ones where twitch responsiveness is not that important that storage space locally
33:25
could become even less relevant um it's enough to have a lot of games installed
33:29
it's enough to have a fair chunk of movies you can always have an external
33:32
drive for some additional movies or other media wow super scary so it's the
33:39
extreme 900 portable SSD it has a 1.92
33:43
tbte formatted size there will also be 480 and 960 gig versions and has a
33:48
maximum performance rating of 850 megabytes per second doesn't specify
33:52
reads or rights it's equipped with a USB 3.1 interface and they'll have a
33:57
threeyear warranty on these new drives
34:00
so stay tuned guys cuz anything that shows up in an external drive is going
34:03
to be in an internal drive and as performance continues to scale ssds are
34:08
going to just keep make more and more and more sense all the time and you know
34:11
what's funny is because back when ssds were still
34:15
gaining traction there would be every SSD video I did was just full of
34:21
comments about how nobody needs an SSD and it doesn't matter and don't you have
34:24
2 seconds to wait and now people are f finally mostly clued in to the fact that
34:30
it's way more than 2 seconds and yes it's worth it the tradeoff is worth it
34:36
it's huge it could be 30 seconds when
34:39
you're launching an application depending on what else you've got going on on your computer at a time and that
34:44
could be 30 seconds now and then 30 seconds a minute from now it's a big
34:48
deal um yeah I'm a huge SSD Advocate as
34:52
you guys probably know at this point um there's a USB drive with USB type A and
34:59
type c although the uh I actually hadn't
35:03
looked at the article for this one yet because I assumed that I knew what we
35:07
were talking about here we go I assumed
35:12
I knew what we were talking about and I thought it was something from another company but apparently uh this is
35:16
SanDisk showing off one at computex this is the way that USB type-c is going to
35:21
go mainstream having it also on drives
35:25
that feature USB type A so you have that compatibility with something like a
35:29
Macbook as well as with the whatever
35:32
other computer you own that obviously doesn't have a typc connector since you
35:36
probably don't own both a Chromebook Pixel latest gen and a Macbook uh so a
35:41
way to actually get data onto it in order to put onto your MacBook um this
35:46
is going to be really common I think until USB type-c just get goes
35:50
completely ubiquitous and all the other connectors pretty much go away but one
35:55
of the things that I'm happy to see is not every everyone is diving head first
35:58
into just USB type-c devices no that seems to be mostly Apple that wants to
36:03
do that because as much as type- C has been vetted in you know a laboratory
36:09
somewhere it has not been field tested
36:12
yet and before I have a bunch of motherboards and laptops that only have
36:16
type-c connectors on them I would love to have a little bit of experience
36:19
actually using the
36:23
thing all right so Intel has been
36:26
showing off Broadwell uh this was posted by
36:30
zle let's go ahead and copy the link here uh so Broadwell for desktops we've
36:35
already seen Broadwell in the corm so we've got Broadwell for mobile devices
36:40
already but of course Broadwell for desktops is kind of a big deal or is it
36:47
so Tom's Hardware has got their review up of the
36:51
5775c and the
36:54
5675c and basically what it comes down to is it
36:59
Toms can you not please uh basically
37:02
what it comes down to is yep performance
37:06
has not really changed a lot in terms of
37:11
um you know gaming with the discreet GPU
37:15
I sure wish this would work a little better for me here but the onboard
37:20
Graphics looks like it has pretty much
37:23
killed any possibility of oh for crying
37:26
out loud any possibility of discreet grade low-end graphics cards existing
37:34
pretty well ever again so I'm going to make sure I'm on the right dang page
37:38
here there we go so let's have a look at these performance numbers from Toms good
37:42
guys over there as well actually same ownership as uh as an onch these days
37:46
look at that so that's BioShock Infinite at 1080p low settings mind you know
37:52
antialiasing running at 86 frames per
37:55
second average
37:59
on the core i5 that's incredible I mean AMD was King
38:06
of the integrated Graphics ever since they launched the Apu concept but Intel
38:12
quietly slowly but surely has been improving the integrated graphics on
38:17
their mainstream chips as well to the point where now holy cow if I'm AMD I am
38:23
a little bit scared because people have always people ask me what CPU to buy all
38:28
the time and if they're using integrated graphics for some light gaming or it's
38:32
like a computer at Grandma's house and the grandkids come over once in a while
38:37
maybe they you know bring a game and they're staying over for the weekend and
38:41
they don't want it to just completely not run at all I'd say get an
38:46
APU wow if they don't have that going for them anymore that is that is deeply
38:52
worrying if you are if you're into AMD continuing to make sense on the lowend
38:58
onboard Graphics scene now I can't find it in the Tom's article right now but
39:03
there's actually some pretty good die shots out there of Broadwell and how
39:07
like literally half half of the die is
39:11
not CPU which should make sense given that we know that Intel can cram you
39:17
know eight cores in an Enthusiast grade CPU these days so the fact that they're
39:20
only putting four on the mainstream ones means they probably had a lot of room
39:24
left over here's a scary thought too oh wow
39:29
imagine this for a moment if Intel actually did like a dedicated chip for
39:34
gamers where they it had no onboard Graphics but it actually SL cuz AMD's
39:39
done this before on the fm2 platform I believe or fm2 plus they did non apus
39:46
they did just CPUs imagine if Intel did
39:49
that where they took something like a Broadwell or the upcoming Skylake and
39:54
they just chopped off the GPU and did a pure gaming
39:57
it would cost them half as okay obviously plus R&D but the actual
40:02
material cost would be half what the one
40:06
with the GPU built into it would be how
40:09
scary is that if Intel could deliver 4790k performance to anyone who's
40:13
planning to put a graphics card in for half the price for
40:18
$149.99 I don't even know what AMD would sell at that point but I don't think
40:21
Intel's really that into putting AMD out
40:24
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related to something that we've been talking about a fair bit on the show lately I was posted by exia on the Forum
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I'm going to go ahead and post this in twitch but the headline here is actually
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kind of heartbreaking it's uh it's an article from mn.com um dis you terminated your job uh
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by the way can you please um train your
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replacement so last take after layoff at
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Disney train forign replacement so yeah pretty much employees uh some of which
45:40
have worked at Disney for 10 years um
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cheaper import replacement that said that he was being recommended for a
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called since they were receiving a bonus for their Stellar work in actuality 250
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employees were called in and told they would be laid off the jobs were transferred to uh people on temporary
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visas for highly skilled technical work uh brought in by an Outsourcing firm the
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jobs were so over the next 3 months some
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employees were required to train their Replacements to do the job that they
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lost so for the first month their replacement Shadows them for the second
46:48
month they do it side by side and for the third month they basically don't do
46:51
anything and just kind of watch their job being done by their new person so if
46:56
they remained for the 90 days to train
46:59
their replacement they were offered a stay bonus of 10% of the severance pay
47:03
on top of their severance
47:08
pay yeah so this is this is this there
47:12
there's like there so there's a couple things happening number one is outsourcing is still very much real and
47:16
number two is the crazy thing about this
47:20
is it's nothing compared to when Disney automates that job who knows how long
47:26
from now I mean talked about the McDonald's restaurant that is opening
47:30
with no employees whatsoever on wo a
47:33
while ago I shouldn't say whatsoever they have a skeleton crew to oversee the
47:37
machines but everything from taking orders to Making burgers to delivering
47:40
the burger to the customer is going to be handled by robots and what that is
47:46
going to mean because you know I got to look at something like that as you know
47:51
like is McDonald's just shooting themselves in the foot I mean who eats
47:54
at McDonald's if not like and no no offense if you eat at
47:58
McDonald's I eat at McDonald's from time to time too like it's not like but I
48:01
mean who relies on McDonald's if not
48:04
your lower income people so and like I I
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actually my my badminton doubles partner was a longtime McDonald's employee he
48:14
ate like almost every meal at McDonald's so you're going to go you're so you're
48:18
McDonald's and you're going to basically not just take away jobs and income from
48:22
but you're going to piss off all these lower income people who presumably have
48:27
families and friends who you know maybe there's a couple lower income people
48:31
there as well you're going to go and piss off all these people for the sake of saving a couple bucks who's going to
48:35
eat at your restaurant anymore and maybe I'm wrong maybe I'm completely wrong and
48:41
maybe McDonald's is business is going to completely take off because the robots
48:45
are faster uh more sanitary they make
48:48
fewer errors um I I don't I don't know I don't know it just
48:54
um I don't see myself ever doing
48:57
I also am not in a position where I'm running you know a huge multi-billion
49:02
dollar multinational corporation where every penny I save literally results in
49:07
you know tens or hundreds of millions of dollars but I I like having a team of
49:14
people that's you know paid a living wage and is and is happy with the work
49:19
that they're doing and I just uh I don't know it just it grosses me out to see to
49:24
see stuff like this
49:27
um speaking of oh man so fully automated
49:31
this was posted by boozo on the Forum and ASUS has rolled out the first fully
49:38
automated graphics card production line and this fascinates me from a
49:43
technological standpoint but ties very well into this last topic and uh we've
49:49
got the original article here one of them from Tom's Hardware I've actually
49:53
asked isus to give me a lot more details on this and I would I would actually
49:58
love to get my hands on one of the graphics cards made with it because I
50:02
don't know if you guys know this but graphics cards up till now still had
50:06
some hand soldering and I believe some of the QA was actually done by hand so
50:12
their new production method is an industry first and should deliver more
50:16
reliable higher quality graphics cards than before by completely taking out the
50:22
human element so I hopefully this is going to go ahead and load a larger
50:25
image at some point here dity doop there you go look how
50:30
beautiful that PCB is so the the like
50:36
the geeky Tech in me goes holy cow that
50:40
is sex sfic I mean it is so clean
50:45
everything is
50:49
perfect but ASUS isn't going to give you a discount on it I'm sure and I mean as
50:55
much as you know some some people might go well you know soldering components on
50:59
graphics cards at the last stage of production is a crappy job it was a job
51:03
for someone um and they do not have it anymore so uh what's I mean but this is
51:09
like so again we're my my inner geek kind of goes holy
51:13
crap that's awesome because one of the things that you can achieve here is less
51:18
oxidation on the graphics card because
51:21
you can actually produce them in an environment without oxygen
51:27
so what so my graphics card could last for 20
51:30
years that seems like a pretty good thing I don't know man um so there's
51:36
some speculation that this could lead to longer warranties uh better reliability
51:41
like all this cool stuff uh the so the first card produced uh using Auto
51:46
extreme was the 20th anniversary edition card so I've actually asked to for a
51:51
sample so we can check this out in
51:55
person um
52:00
so there's a really good thread on the Forum this was posted by Mech 77 I'm
52:04
going to go ahead and post this here
52:11
um all right let me just sorry I I'm a
52:15
little slower paced than usual I'm trying to keep up here without my uh
52:19
without my lovely co-host but uh basically there's a YouTube video to
52:23
watch about direct x2's multi GPU
52:27
rendering so there's a demo here from oxide
52:30
games um and you guys should definitely check that out I'll post that link in
52:34
the in the thread that goes up after wow but so currently the way that multi gpus
52:39
are combined is that each GPU and a in a dual card config takes turn rendering
52:44
takes turns rendering each frame and back in the early days of multi-GPU uh
52:47
Crossfire and SLI it was actually done a
52:50
little bit differently so you could have alternate frame rendering and that was
52:54
usually what would work best but some times you could do tiled stuff and there
52:58
there were actually other modes um but the way that that works is both gpus
53:02
have to be nearly identical run at the same clock speed and have the same data
53:06
in their video memory in uh resulting in
53:10
redundancies and limitations in terms of which cards can be used and how the
53:14
resources can be used so something that's a huge confusion point and that
53:19
NVIDIA and AMD frankly don't help people with is that if you buy a card like a
53:23
GTX 690 okay which is
53:27
pretty much two 670 680 sort of cards um
53:31
it'll it'll call itself what oh crap 69 new what was that a six gig
53:38
card or was it a 4 gig card whatever I don't care um I think it was a 4 gig
53:42
card so it'll call itself a 4 gig card because there's technically 4 gabt of
53:46
GPU memory on board but actually usably
53:49
there's only two gigs because it has to have two copies um it has to have two
53:54
copies of the data in memory and so yes that was a 4 gig card um so now each GPU
54:03
can render only a specific part of the frame and video memory can be stacked as
54:08
each card is actually working on a separate aspect of the frame so it's up
54:11
to the developer to implement this which means pretty much and the video actually
54:17
shows an integrated GPU being used in conjunction with a dedicated GPU so here
54:22
we go so which means that in my mind we're pretty much not going to see this
54:27
implemented very well if at all but it's
54:31
a very cool piece of technology for the future I'm just trying to find bloody
54:35
hell well whatever um you can check out this video and I'll definitely link it
54:39
if you want to get a little bit more detail in terms of how it works uh very
54:42
cool Tech not sure if it'll have any practical use just because if you guys
54:46
already look at how broken established stuff like SLI that's been around for
54:51
years that NVIDIA is actively working on you look at how well that's working in
54:55
some Modern games and you kind of go oh crap cuz quite frankly is NVIDIA going
55:01
to have any incentive to help a game developer implement this no is AMD going
55:05
to want to do it maybe but hard to
55:10
say um this I actually talked about a little
55:15
bit here we go this I actually talked about a little
55:20
bit in my 980 TI video but
55:23
um this could be a big problem this is this is definitely this is from tech
55:28
power up here and was originally posted let me just grab that op here uh was
55:33
originally posted on the Forum by big stuns this could be a big problem for
55:38
AMD over the next little bit here I don't know if you guys are going to
55:42
remember this but um I'm not even sure
55:45
if I remember this correctly I'm trying to remember who had the direct X1
55:50
Advantage I want to say AMD uh first
55:54
DirectX 11 card I want to say it was
55:58
6000 series I really don't
56:03
remember I suck well whatever the point
56:07
is um having an advantage in terms of
56:11
what level of direct de is supported by your cards maybe AMD was doing 11.1
56:15
first or something like that someone's going to correct me thank you in advance
56:19
um having an advantage in terms of your direct X support level can be a huge
56:26
selling point for gamers and whether it actually translates into something
56:31
meaningful for the person who owns that card that's like the first one to
56:35
support directx9 um is highly debatable I mean I
56:39
know AMD had an advantage back in the DirectX 9 days um when it was the 9000
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series versus the FX series um but that
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was a whole other issue because uh not only were the FX 5800 series like not
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even properly direct X they were just kind of sucked in general so ATI was
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selling a lot more cards at the time just on the sheer Merit of their performance in direct X8 games at the
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time and that's that's that's a big issue is like whether there's a real
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advantage to owning that first DirectX 12.1 card is yet to be seen because
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DirectX 12.1 capable games might show up
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and a GTX 980 could look like a joke
57:18
even running it with those features on and actually we need you know 10,000 80s
57:23
in order to really get the most out of it anyway but
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that will sell Gamers on games and
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DirectX 12 is looking like yes we'll
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have support on pretty much any DirectX 10 card or newer but that doesn't mean
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we have all the support so you're going to have the lowlevel uh access for game
57:43
developers to get more out of the hardware that's great you're going to
57:47
have that low CPU overhead on on pretty much the entire backlog there but what
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you won't have is some pretty cool new
57:54
rendering features so one of them is volume tiled resources so this is an
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evolution of tiled resources so that is basically reusing resources rather than
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restoring them or rendering them all the time so this is volume tiled resources
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are you jumping in because you want to talk directex 12.1 or just in
58:12
general hi are you guys doing something
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to me yeah oh no okay oh that was Ed he
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said hi thanks Ed um so volume tiled resources and and
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this loads the entire texture to memory not only just along X and Y axis but
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also a third dimension so this is like a performance Improvement so while it's a
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rendering technique it could be something that just straight up improves
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performance conservative rasterization so that is an a means of drawing
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polygons with additional pixels that makes it easier for two polygons to
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interact with each other like you know how like the characters you know
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shoulder armor will just like dip into their shoulder from time to time this
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could help with stuff like that and raster ordered views which is a means to
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optimize raster loads in the order in which they appear in an object so
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practical applications include improved Shadows so these are only going to be
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supported are you joining me or yeah yeah sure come on in we've got Nick
59:11
joining us so these are only features that are going to work on cards that
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support DirectX 12core like feature level one so that is Maxwell not 780 not
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750 Ti is my understanding so second gen Maxwell uh 960 970 980 and Titan X and
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980 TI and then AMD's Tonga and then
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presumably Fiji which is a card that's
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going to be inaccessible to most people thanks to its price anyway cuz what we
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don't know is how much it costs but what we do know is that it's not cheap right
59:45
so um what do you got do you want to
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talk uh do you want to talk 65 core smartphone yeah yeah let's talk about
59:52
the 65 core smartphone I thought this was pretty funny um so Intel created a
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mock 65 core smartphone where uh one of
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their principal Engineers franois ped
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Noel you're actually it's a little bit off frame here I'll move over there we
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go that's franois ped Noel uh he made
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remarks during an Intel benchmarking session at computex on Thursday that
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this is the world's first 65 core smartphone he said more than a server uh
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but what it really was was the what was it four core uh Zen phone is it yeah and
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then a 61 core xon that he essentially
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just taped to the back of it so um kind
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of taking pot shots at the competition a little bit after the whole Deca core
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thing from mediatech um and you know
60:42
what I agree with Intel 100% that the
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core race on particularly mobile is
60:50
really silly right now and I think there's one other major smartphone maker
60:54
I'm trying to remember what they're called what are they starts with an A starts
60:59
with an A they only have dual core smartphones even though everyone else is
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going quad o right Apple I think Apple
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also agrees that we don't need a core
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count race in smartphones right now on PCS where we're finally getting
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multi-threaded workloads whether it's uh 3D rendering or video outputting or you
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know uh directx12 coming and giving us finally some some multi-threading
61:24
awareness for games on desktops yes multicore makes sense and has made sense
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for quite some time in Mobile we need
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strong single cores for a long time still and so a 65 core smartphone would
61:39
be a little silly a 10 core smartphone is probably a little silly unless the
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strategy would be a super strong dual core in like eight super low power
61:47
auxiliary cores or whatever the case may be that's kind of Intel's point right is
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that you're not going to be able to push 10 cores in a form factor for a
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smartphone like it's going to be one to
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two cores that are doing all the work and then the other eight are just there
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for marketing purposes essentially just like look at how many cores we have yeah
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cuz there are implementations that make sense like like a big small
62:08
implementation where I mean we've even seen this octacore processors that have
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so there's four big ones and four small ones so the phone can literally turn off
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the big ones when you're not doing anything intensive um and Intel has has
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uh quadcore smartphone processors so so
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there's that um but yeah we don't need 10 and it'll
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be a long time if ever that we need more than four and I should I with ever
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asterisk at some point I'm sure we will um I don't think that'll be during the
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Silicon age though yeah yeah it might take something completely different to
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come along in the future um so what do we got
62:48
next uh official valve steam machine
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pre-orders to reach some customers October 16th this was posted by Good
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Bites oh and that last one was posted by oh shoot I had I actually had to open
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the article here to see who posted it yeah I'm not sure uh I want to give you
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credit H fuzzy yellow so let's go ahead and pull this one up this one the
63:09
original article here is from polygon and it looks like official steam
63:14
machines are actually a thing but this is not the kind of steam machine that
63:19
tickles my Enthusiast funny bone this
63:22
looks like pretty much a collaboration
63:26
with Alienware to just have Alienware
63:30
steam machine be the official steam machine and so uh it's going to be
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pretty low power it's not going to be particularly
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upgradeable um
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yeah so I don't I don't I don't know what to say steam controller's coming
63:46
out yeah steam controller it'll have a custom graphics core that'll perform at
63:50
about the level of an 860m so if you want to play anything
63:54
sort of more complicated than Super Meat Boy at 1080p then you're not going to be
63:59
that thrilled with the uh with the experience uh there's a great video of
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uh for this for the steam controller teaser showing it being used in games um
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that looks really really compelling so
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everything from top down RTS to Shooters
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and whoever's been using it probably has like a thousand hours logged on it so
64:24
yeah they're looking pretty Pro with the haptic feedback on that they're looking
64:27
pretty Pro but if you guys haven't seen the finished steam controller yet then
64:32
there's a picture of what it's going to look like right there so we end up with
64:35
something sort that at least Bears a resemblance to a normal game controller
64:41
like you kind of got a dpad haptic touch d-pad sort of they they went and they
64:45
put that that texture on there for the
64:48
d-pad lovers still just like the full circle is uh is touch sensitive or what
64:54
it's it's all trackable got an analog stick you've got your abxy and then
64:58
you've got your your other touchpad and then what's really cool and they show
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how this is being used is the reverse buttons so you've got a squeeze in here
65:06
you've got the ones up here and they show that being used in some really cool
65:11
ways like we've seen aftermarket stuff like this like we actually got some
65:16
controllers in for review that had uh buttons remapped to the bottom so that
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you didn't have to uh so that you so that you could aim and zoom and fire at
65:24
the same time like scuff and stuff like that stuff like that uh we thought the
65:27
implementation was very poor we didn't end up reviewing it but valves looks
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like it might be okay so I'm going to be
65:36
like the Luke on this one and just say I could see this being a lot of fun for
65:41
games like Civ just kind of sitting on the couch and playing Civ and laying
65:44
back and kind of zoning out um I don't
65:48
see a whole lot of use for it in like you said FPS games sure it's better than
65:52
a normal controller maybe but you're still just going to get beat by everyone
65:56
with a mouse and keyboard as far as I can tell I haven't played with thing so
65:59
maybe I'm totally wrong but um yeah I
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like even valve even says it's not meant to replace a mouse and keyboard it's
66:08
meant to bring a better couch experience to PC gaming so I think that they're
66:11
doing a good job with that meanwhile you've got Corsair um hold on couch yeah
66:18
uh lap dog lap dog thank you there it is meanwhile you've got guys like nerdy
66:22
Tech and even Corsair jumping in trying to bring the mouse and keyboard
66:27
experience to the couch rather than trying to get you to compromise with the
66:31
controller and I I admire their efforts
66:34
here but I for
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me I would probably I'm going to at least give valves controller a shot here
66:43
y um so this was posted by bleedman 0xx
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on the Forum here I'm going to go ahead and copy it and
66:51
finally finally valve is allowing
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refunds on Steam in a way that is
66:58
actually meaningful and not just like oh
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you know once and you know a blue moon
67:06
if ever and so you can now request a
67:10
refund for nearly any purchase on Steam for any
67:14
reason wow that's actually kind of insane which which shouldn't be insane
67:20
finally digital distribution okay okay okay okay so okay back in the old days
67:25
of physical media you could return a game yeah this was prec CD keys this was
67:30
back when the physical media represented
67:33
the game you didn't own the game anymore if you didn't have that disc now CD Keys
67:38
came along and all of a sudden that disc meant nothing once You' registered an
67:42
account with Blizzard or whatever the case may be I mean you could be
67:45
returning them nothing yeah and you might as well be returned like they
67:49
weren't going to get a credit so then digital came along and adopted that
67:55
policy for some reason even though platforms like steam are their own DRM
68:01
they know if you've played the game I mean that was something that I could see
68:05
a physical store being upset about well you were just using us as a free rental
68:09
yeah you finished the game and brought it back screw you Val knows they even
68:14
know where you die on their maps in Counterstrike like they know how much
68:19
you played the game so now uh you will
68:23
be issued a full refund of your purch just within a week of approval um if you
68:28
have played the game for I believe it's less than 2 hours so 14 days as long as
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you've played it for less than 2 hours for pre purchased titles um refunds on
68:39
in-game purchases I think that's a really big one especially with the
68:44
prevalence of stuff like Counterstrike items like did you know there's some
68:47
knives in Counter-Strike now that are like $1,500 for a knife
68:53
Skin So within 48 hours hours of purchase so long it has as it has not
68:57
been consumed modified or transferred um
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refunds on DLC uh and if blah blah blah refundable
69:04
within 14 days of purchase and if the underlying title has not been played for
69:09
less than two hours since the DLC was purchase blah blah blah blah uh steam
69:13
wallet refunds within 14 days of purchase if they purchased on Steam you not have to use any of those funds and
69:18
refunds on bundles you can now receive a full refund for any bundle purchased on
69:22
the steam store so long as none of the items in the bundle have been transferred and if the combined usage of
69:26
time is less than 2 hours so 2 hours is the magic time which honestly is pretty
69:31
generous no refunds on movies cuz as
69:35
long as you've used this movie for less than two
69:38
hours it's like yeah I missed the end credits
69:42
thanks so refunds are designed to remove
69:45
the risk from purchasing titles on Steam
69:48
not as a way to get free access to games if it appears to us that you are abusing
69:52
refunds we may stop offering them to you we do not consider it abuse to request a
69:57
refund on a title that was purchased just before a sale and then immediately
70:00
reing that title for the sale price so
70:03
this is effectively valve offering price
70:06
protection even yeah if you've played a game for less than two hours that's cool
70:11
hey way to go I think it's pretty sweet way to go valve some people in chat are
70:15
calling me out about saying there was a $1,500 knife there was one that was
70:19
rumored to go for $20,000 like no one has any real proof of that and even if
70:25
it was that's like a oneoff that's not a market price that's someone paying way
70:28
too much for stupid like $1,500 is way too much anyway I'm on a tangent um
70:34
let's have a first Nicks rants segment yeah yeah yeah no nobody wants to hear
70:38
that um people in chat this isn't we we
70:41
talked about this earlier in the week this isn't in the dock but people in chat all stream have been asking about
70:47
the the thermal take thing what's your opinion on that what's my opinion I
70:52
don't give a rat's ass
70:55
that's why it wasn't in the dog um yeah it straight up wasn't in our document
70:59
for topics to cover this week um if anyone okay you know what here I'm GNA
71:06
I'm going to put my computer now for the official lus R I'm going to put my computer down I'm I'm going give you
71:11
guys a little I'm going give you no no it's fine it's fine I'm going to give
71:15
you guys a little a little a little chat okay the PC industry is the most
71:22
inbred um copying everyone
71:25
people stealing trade secrets from each other industry that could possibly exist
71:32
remember these are technology enthusiasts these are the guys who are
71:36
inventing 3D printers okay and 3D scanners and like
71:42
better means of ripping each other off all day okay and so I'm going to I'm
71:47
going to I'm going to go and I'm going to drag someone else into this whole thing I'm not even going to talk about
71:53
thermal take or case Labs you're going yeah I'm going there there I'm going
71:57
there so let's look at a company like fractal design I love fractal design I
72:03
love Josh I love yens I love hanas uh
72:06
I'll even tolerate Johan I'm I'm naming all the people at fractal design who I
72:10
know and and like and respect fractal
72:14
design built their company their their first product the defin R they built
72:21
their company off of taking the antec p180 and doing it better and cheaper
72:26
than antech and antech to this day in my mind
72:32
although I haven't seen their new signature case to this day has not found
72:36
their groove again and that's the breaks
72:40
because the thing about a case the thing about a physical object is that if you
72:45
can't find a way to patent it and Josh from fractal design has actually been on
72:50
the record saying there's only so many
72:53
ways to manufacture a rectangular box he
72:57
actually brought that up last week um on
73:00
what what's Paul and Kyle's shows awesome Hardware right um awesome sauce
73:05
news and Paul's Hardware I think I think their live show is called awesome Hardware sorry guys if that's not
73:09
correct um but Kyle had uh Josh on as a
73:14
guest because Paul's in Taipei for comex
73:18
so Josh actually said in that stream he went to the old there's only so many
73:22
ways that you can make a metal box
73:26
um argument when when it was brought up with him so it's not like these guys
73:29
aren't aware that that's what's happening and the innovation in a case
73:34
the innovation in a case in my mind is not in the finished product because if I
73:40
could make a case out of you know um
73:44
spiderwebs and pixie dust then I could
73:47
make the best case ever of course I could the innovation in a case is in
73:53
manufacturing so if you patent a process
73:56
for bending aluminum in a way that literally no one else can even make your
74:01
case yeah then you innovate it yeah if
74:04
you innovate the idea of having like
74:08
okay um NZ xt's innovation of removing the 5 and A4 inch Bas from the
74:13
h440 Innovative idea but you can't
74:16
patent that and you can't prevent your competitors from making a case with no 5
74:19
and a/4 inch Baye and NZXT is not a bunch of idiots and they know that
74:24
someone is going to as soon as that case is successful everyone else in their dog
74:29
is going to be doing it because that's not that's that's just that's just it's
74:34
a it's an idea you can't patent an like
74:37
well you can patent an idea but you you can't patent like removing a speck I
74:43
guess is what I'm trying to say you can't patent a spec difference so like
74:47
you can't patent the idea of executing a case that doesn't have a certain aspect
74:52
yeah like it's not that you can't patent an idea it's that you can't you can't
74:56
patent an aspect of something that's so ubiquitous 5 and a quar inch Bays
75:00
existing and you'll have cases on the with a spec sheet on the side that says
75:04
1 Time 5 and a quarter or 5 * 5 and a quarter the fact that you just made a
75:09
case that says 0 * 5 and a quarter is not is not it's not patentable yeah
75:14
that's not that's not patentable um whereas the idea of you know okay
75:20
looking at inwin transforming case where they literally made something that no
75:24
one else can make that is innovation so
75:28
to me someone like Cas laabs came along and they did something really important
75:33
they made easy spacious water cooling friendly cases accessible and affordable
75:38
and high quality in a way that hey if we're going to start talking about
75:43
copying people in a way that I who I would consider to be their spiritual
75:46
predecessor Mountain mods didn't manage to do that's what case Labs did and they
75:53
did a great job but if they're going to kind of run and
75:57
cry foul because someone you know copied
76:00
that idea of making an affordable roomy
76:03
well-thought out case I mean uh I don't
76:08
know um to me it's about actually making
76:11
it um and it's not necessarily about the
76:14
idea of having a lot of places for a radiator if you don't actually execute
76:19
it or if someone else executes it better and that is another thing to consider
76:22
here cases there's more to a case than
76:25
the spec and the look and if Case Labs
76:28
believes that their quality is great and
76:33
from my experience with them it is then they shouldn't be worried about
76:36
competition from thermal take period so there that's my take on it I
76:42
have talked about it yeah and you know what oh I've got people saying I think
76:47
the issue is that the people they're buying their cases from is the same
76:50
manufacturer well yeah that's the PC industry man you think that you think
76:56
that every Power so when Corsair yeah
76:59
when Corsair releases their 80 plus Platinum power supply and you know
77:04
everyone else has an 80 plus Platinum power supply the next week you think
77:08
that's not the same thing come on come
77:13
on come on you think that when NZXT
77:17
releases the Kraken x40 and Corsair has
77:20
a a single 140 millimeter all-in-one
77:23
liquid cooler that's also an acch design you know a little while later you think
77:28
someone didn't make a deal a volume agreement or or a payout for a a a a
77:34
limited time exclusive and then all of a sudden the Design's open to everyone
77:37
that's how the PC industry Works Reb badges rebrands there's only a few
77:42
companies actually building things and they're going to be the ones
77:47
that are going to hold all the they're they're going to hold all the cards and
77:50
they're going to have the power in the long term there you go so apparently
77:55
Josh wasn't on awesome Hardware I don't know where I saw it then I've seen him
77:58
talk about it yeah he was talking to somebody on one of the shows I can't
78:02
remember um I watch a lot of videos
78:05
every week I've got people saying they don't think I get it like I've looked at pictures of the cases I I see the
78:10
similarity sure I do and like that's
78:14
dumb but like it it's not like it's not
78:17
like apple doesn't get all upset when someone makes a phone that's similar to
78:20
the iPhone and even they've given up at this point it looks like so somebody was
78:24
saying Apple could probably patent the zero five and a half or five and a
78:27
quarter inch Bay idea that you had yeah possibly probably you're probably right
78:32
they could patent it I'm not sure if it would be upheld though no but they would they would probably patent it probably
78:37
anyway apparently it was in Jay's two cents Tech talk oh sorry js2 cents my
78:41
bad um okay so uh Google advertises a
78:46
Nexus 6 running Windows Phone Microsoft advertises alumia 535 running Android so
78:52
the original poster here was rude
78:56
uh copy link URL I actually you know
78:59
what's funny is I I had some notes in my
79:02
uh in my email because I'm always I always forget to open up the doc and
79:05
like post the things and uh I just assumed valve uh steam refunds would be
79:09
in the dock and then I kind of went oh yeah all the computex stuff there's like
79:14
straight up no room I had like 35 topics in the dock and I was like well I have
79:18
to cut like half of these not actually but like a significant amount of these
79:24
and that was like with me not even just like putting stuff in periodically and
79:28
that was without the 3 minute conversation we just had about the thing
79:32
so this is cool hey I would love to see a future where you get to choose your
79:36
phone hardware and your OS independently
79:40
um yeah apparently some marketing agencies thought that the future was now
79:46
yeah so you know is this real it doesn't
79:50
necessarily look like anything like this is coming anytime soon but
79:55
it's also very Illuminati confirmed that both of these mistakes showed up at
79:59
around the same time so you know I I
80:02
think it'd be super cool I think it also opens up a can of worms in terms of you
80:06
know compatibility and drivers and blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
80:09
that we've been free from from on phones up until now but uh still still very
80:14
cool stuff um well I think I've only really got one more that I really want
80:18
to hit the original poster here was Joss and I think we're going to need a straw
80:23
pole for you guys here because uh I I
80:26
literally found this like five minutes before the show started and I was
80:31
laughing my head off and L was like what are you laughing at and I just pointed at my screen he's like okay I think we
80:35
have to talk about that yeah so
80:41
um I I I know I'm leaving you guys in suspense here but this is this is worth
80:46
it Illuminati the chat's all
80:51
Illuminati okay so no it needs to be turn up uh I just I just do whatever I
80:56
only did that twice in a row like by accident yeah but okay oh I think I know
81:01
what you're talking about okay well at any rate here we go
81:08
guys the original poster here and I'm
81:11
going to post the straw pole now the original the original poster
81:16
here is uh J and the original article
81:19
here is from Phone Arena here it is it
81:23
is a smart wearable called The Sex
81:27
Machine that keeps track of sex performance metrics and you wouldn't
81:33
believe where it's worn unless you saw this GIF then you'll probably figure out
81:38
exactly where it's going to be worn now
81:42
I can see a lot of you know potential
81:45
you know good that could come of this you know um yeah you know what's what's
81:50
good for him is good for her and so on and so forth and and you know said
81:54
there's tons of statistical evidence out there that a you know a healthy sex life
81:59
and maybe one that we can you know if we can make it healthier is good for a
82:02
relationship and all that kind of stuff but I've also got a lot of people
82:07
suggesting ways this could be used for evil like um teran's using a great
82:11
biking app that actually measures like it shows um you know how you performed
82:16
on a particular like a split like split times um as you as you bike around
82:21
compared to other people that have been through that particular no through that
82:25
particular route um you know ways you could
82:30
integrate this into a social through that particular route social social
82:35
network features here um you know you could see if you're the best performing
82:40
guy on your street you know stuff like that
82:44
um oh no so I'm going to fire up the straw pole results here do you want your
82:50
sex performance monitored we we've got a no definite
82:57
minority here saying yes 24% of them are
83:02
okay with having their sex performance monitored and I don't even know if this
83:07
is all going into the cloud or whatever I I haven't actually we found this right
83:11
before the show it's probably it probably is going into the cloud oh man
83:15
I doubt it's stored locally I highly doubt it's stored can you imagine that
83:19
okay loading up an Android app uh this app requests permission to access your
83:23
camera your contacts your sex performance can you even
83:28
imagine oh no yeah we've got more nose coming in
83:33
now that we're sort of talking about cloud storage it it would be interesting
83:37
to see how um say say someone's wife has
83:43
access to this app and she's unhappy in
83:46
the relationship and she wants to file for divorce could she use that as
83:50
evidence I don't know or like can you imagine like you know all the wives and
83:55
girlfriends getting together and comparing comparing notes you know they
84:00
would I know they totally would I know
84:03
oh man that is like some not cool stuff right there well I guess it depends how
84:08
your performance it depends well for me that would be some not cool stuff right
84:12
there straight up um I've actually got
84:16
one more one more topic that's sort of
84:20
just a line it's like it's a Linus Media Group topic it's not actual news but uh
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we're working on something that I think is pretty cool I've finally I I I get to
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talk to YouTube which is kind of neat yeah for for years I didn't actually
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have much interaction with my Google overlords um but we've been um we've
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been in touch all of a sudden and they've been like super cool with us and
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we are working on something like it's no secret that these this cards feature is
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coming along with some very similar functionality to annotations which don't
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work on mobile and Now cards are going to work on mobile as well so we've been
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working on um a couple of things so number one is a way for us to do things
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like our subscribe call out and like our
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hey we've got Cool lineus Tech tips t-shirts which by the way we should by
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way we have Cool lus Tech dips t-shirts yeah I'll post a link if you guys want
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one of the ones that says first on oh I can't read my back hurts uh if you want
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one that says first on the back um I'm
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sitting here we go uh we've got these shirts available right
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now can do that um so we're working on a way to since cards are not clickable
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directly and instead you have to go to
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like this little ey in the corner in order to find them we're trying to work
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on some ways to make that friendly to both mobile and desktop users and so
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there's a video here that I'll link um that I'll link in the twitch
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chat but this is the video where we're kind of showing some of the ideas we
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have for ways that we can get people to
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know that that's where to go look like subscribe is handled through that little
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watermark in the bottom now and then we're trying to like this is a rough
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draft right now but we're trying to come up with a way that's not totally
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obnoxious looking but that will get people to be able to find the things
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that we're talking about so I don't know I don't know
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that's that's sort of some of our ideas right now but we'd love to hear your guys' thoughts I think it's pretty cool
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stuff like that I I like it I think that it hopefully it's a good balance
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but um yeah so I guess that's pretty much
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it um some people in chat were asking
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about LTT fans what are they any update
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um I there is no update but there will be one so that's the update stay tuned
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stay tuned for the rest of the computex coverage stay subscribed that's a good
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teaser watch the rest of the computex coverage stay subscribed don't miss any
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of the computex coverage and like our videos uh no after party today because
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it's hot and I'm tired and I'm I'm sweating if you couldn't tell it's
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disgusting and I'm more dressed than you you're wearing sleeves a shirt I'm also
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like far more overweight than you are
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that's I so there's that I didn't say it I can I can neither confirm nor deny
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there you go um oh we should probably do we should probably do a quick update on
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wait do they know about the stakes no okay so Nick is losing the bet
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right now it looks like it looks like it's not going that well there we had a
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bet over how many you you guys let me down man yeah we had a bed over really
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no I'm just kidding you guys have been awesome how many of those shirts we were going to sell um to be fair we still
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have sold like a ridiculous amount I'm just a really confident person in our
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brand so I am amazed at how many cuz I
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told them I didn't even want to do just a straight line as Tech tip shirt
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because I I didn't think that people would be into it anyway so here's the
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link if you guys don't have one yet but um so straight up depending who wins or
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loses there will be a crazy Channel
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super fun so that's all I'm going to say if you guys aren't subscribed to channel
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super fun already get over there um Channel Super Fun is actually been
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ramping up lately I think in terms of how awesome the cont content is we're
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still doing a video a week over there so it's not a huge commit get over on
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Channel Super Fun so you don't miss the
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finale of the lonus tech tips shirt so thank you guys for watching uh we'll see
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you again next week same bat Time same bat Channel I give up on rolling the
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outro uh thank you Nick for helping me Co co-host you look pretty lonely in
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here so I was lonely thank you to Dollar Shave Club fresh books and Linda for
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being our sponsors today and thank you to all 6300 of you for watching live you
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guys are awesome