uh Luke is very fond of talking about how whenever I'm not here the show
starts on time so I would like for you guys to note that he's not here and the
show almost started on time so clearly
it's actually uh him amplifying my
lateness and that's why whenever we're both here the show is
late yes that is the that is the obvious
conclusion that we can draw here so as you guys probably noticed already and if
you didn't then hopefully the part where I pointed out that Luke's not here would
have drawn you to this conclusion Luke
is not here he is over in computex and so the first topic of the day is
actually something that I should probably do after the intro right so
we've got a great show for you guys today we have all of our computex
coverage some of the highlights from that we've got AMD unveiling many many
more details about their upcoming Fiji although it looks like we're going to
have to wait a little bit for the rest of it NVIDIA launches mobile g-sync
which by the way I have inh housee
already and tons and tons of monitors oh
yeah right the huge news this week valve pulled a 180 on their customer service
and they're offering well okay whatever I'll tell you guys about it later for
now let's roll the intro
oh come on one of these days that's
going to work and then I will be happy so right now you guys are you know what
forget it then sponsors today linda.com
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there you go we are just I don't care we're just not going to have an intro I
give up um you know what uh I've got some people
saying they thought that Luke would call in he said that last week but quite
frankly um it's 7 a. over there right now or 7:30 and if you guys noticed some
skepticism on my part when he was saying that he was going to call in it was
because I can do time zones and I knew
that he was like straight up a going to be probably not awake at that time and B
I knew he was going to be busting his butt over the course of the week getting
a bunch of great coverage of computex for you guys and therefore or probably
not in any condition where he would want to or I would even want him to be doing
an hour and a half live stream because they have absolutely kicked ass over at
computex in fact we can go and I don't think yeah I don't think there's
anything here that's like super super top secret but I'm going to post some of
the links uh and you guys should definitely check this out later if
you're watching the archive I will link these below the video but uh the Corsair
Bulldog huge deal over at computex
Corsair not necessarily because of the
Corsair Bulldog but because it's going
mainstream guys like Silverstone have been trying to do the whole yeah we've
got like a full-size graphics card and a really small form factor or small
internal volume enclosure for some time n case released the M1 which was this
super small fullsize graphics card thing well now a mainstream case manufacturer
and it's kind of funny for me to say that because I still remember when they launched the 800d and the store that I
worked for was like nervous about bringing in too many because a COR a
case gee I don't know will it work will it not work yeah it turns out they're a
mainstream Casemaker now and they are acknowledging the small form factor
console size case very cool stuff next
up we've got uh what's the other one oh yeah MSI desktop gpus for their AIO and
laptop now MSI hasn't complet completely
redone the whole gs30 Shadow Concept in
fact what they were showing off was same
laptop but now they have a sexier enclosure for it so instead of being
stuck with that ginormous external box that just had a standard ATX power
supply in it they have something that is a little bit sexier so that's pretty
cool too ah yes GTX 780 Ti variant so
always a big hit it's it's funny because it blows me away every single time how
much you guys love the latest high-end graphics cards our GTX 780 Ti review has
400,000 views and that went up what a
week ago that's like scrapyard Wars
levels of viewership in the first week that's absolutely crazy so Luke actually
highlighted a couple of aftermarket designed 780 Ti one from ASUS one from
Gigabyte and did I say 780 I keep doing
this you know what's really funny 980 TI I know I get out of here 980 TI I know
um I actually started hearing rumors
about the gtx980ti um probably around the same
time you guys started hearing rumors about it and a lot of the time there's a
lot of Truth to the rumors and so I
reached out to my NVIDIA contact I was like yo dog can I get a sample of the
780 Ti and I did it not once but twice
twice in the first email my subject line was blah blah blah blah blah something
780 Ti hey blah blah blah something 780 Ti
and he replied to me he's like um yeah
sure I can send you a sample but it's like kind of old and I'm just like you
troll you knew what I meant you knew what I meant you Troll and then when I
sent a follow-up email I don't even think I got an answer because NVIDIA are
like the kings of if it ain't out it
ain't being talked about they are they are pretty good at keeping secrets so uh
yes 980 TI nonreference 980 TI and then
one of the other big ones you guys should save these URLs for later if you
haven't already checked out the videos this is another really big one inwin
launched like the most boners or
announced I don't think it's actually available yet announced like the most
boners case ever uh check this out oh
yeah I do want to do a huge thanks to our sponsors over at computex that's
linda.com and MSI look at this thing
this is the kind of stuff that like
concept cars are made of like typically you expect a case like this to just be
like a oneoff that some modder made not
the case at all this will be an actual
case that you can actually buy uh here's
some footage from Brandon of the thing transforming look at that I mean is that
is that is that not ridiculous electrician training really I guess I
could be an electrician sure why not that lighting holy crap inwin is one of
those companies where like 5 years ago as far as I could tell they only made
Cheapo commodity cases and like bad power supplies and then all of a sudden
they decided to like okay we're going to do like
tempered glass side panels on this one we're going to do like this crazy
transforming thing and they decided to totally shake up the case industry I
don't know if they're shaking it up necessarily in terms of sales volumes
because some of those products have been pretty darn expensive but they are
definitely shaking it up in terms of design which is very cool stuff so let's
get into the news for this week our first and I'm going to have to be the
one so this was posted by Z mule and I'll have to be the one who posts these
links in the forum for you guys unfortunately cuz I don't have my lovely
assistant this week but um a nonch
reports that the gtx980ti shows a
significant difference in pixel fill rates compared to the GTX Titan X and
what's interesting about this is the fact that their real world performance
is so similar depending on who you ask so I
was uh so hold on first we'll go through um so the so in synthetic performance
tests you'll see a similar performance between the two cards in general but the
980ti loses two polymorph engines in test Mark due to losing two smm though
that doesn't really hinder the 980ti in gaming or in in that test overall the
980ti loses some rasterization throughput from the smm lost but the 15%
drop is larger than can be accounted for by the two SMS uh which account for
approximately 10% right now there's 5% that cannot be accounted for at this
point in testing so the 980 TI is actually a little bit of a mystery right
now so there's some weird differences in pixel fill rate there's some weird
differences in test Mark and there's some weird there's some weird stuff that
I can't really account for in the real world performance as well because I was talking to the NC guys and they had 980
TI as a clear loser to Titan X where
whereas actually in the Anon Tech review and in my review I had it pretty damn
close and I was pretty sure at the time
of releasing mine that the difference could be accounted for by my 980 TI
boosting up higher than my GTX Titan X
but based on some of these synthetic tests over at a nonch we could be
looking at something a little bit deeper than that and NVIDIA has been doing this
lately where they really don't want to talk about
the architecture of the chip a lot um
they tried to pull that off with GTX 980 and 970 and whether unintentionally or
intentionally and I'll leave it to whoever wears whichever color of tinf
foil hat they wear to determine you know what they thought I personally don't
think NVIDIA intentionally um screwed up
the specs of the 970 TI what happened was because they didn't give the press a
lot of information about the architecture that wasn't discovered for
months and it turned into vran gate with people trading in their GTX 970s and
demanding full refunds because it didn't have the maximum memory bandwidth for
the last 500 Megs of that 4 gig frame buffer
so hopefully we're not looking at anything like that the reality of it is
it doesn't seem to be affecting 4K gaming performance in any meaningful way
that's validated by all of my 4K testing on the card
so it looks like a kickass card hopefully this doesn't uh this is this
is this is not going to be any kind of an issue um ASUS is showing off a new
professional grade 4k monitor this was posted by the Gage on the Forum I'm
going to go ahead and I'm pretty much going to treat the whole show today by
the way guys like rapid fire because I
straight up am not going to have I'm not going to be able to hit all these topics
if I if I don't do that so the source here is pcdiy ASUS.com and this thing
looks absolutely sick ASUS has really
stepped up their game in terms of monitors going from just being kind of
Cheapo uh commodity stuff all the way up
to some pretty fantastic displays I mean
the Rog Swift pg278q was undeniably in my mind the
best gaming monitor on the market when it launched it has since um it's had
it's got some tough competition right now for me from acers for kg sync IPS as
well as from benq's xl2730z not because I think the 2730 Z
is necessarily a better monitor but because it comes in at a significantly
lower price it has free sync but not g-sync so AMD gamers are going to have
to choose that anyway if they want variable refresh rate and on top of all
that stuff uh the BenQ monitor supports additional inputs which right now any
g-sync monitor is not going to be able to do so this one looks pretty fantastic
it's 4K of course it's geared towards
professionals it features 100% at OB RGB color gamut it's got 138 pixels per inch
which is going to make sense since it's a 32in monitor and supports a 10 pit uh
supports has a 10bit display with a 16bit lookup table which is important
because the way that a monitor approximates a color behind the scenes
so with the more granularity it can do that actually the better it can
represent it on the panel itself even if the panel can't actually display as many
colors as the lookup table can understand NVIDIA launches mobile gsync
the original poster here is good bites and we've got a number of different
sources here I guess I'll go ahead and fire up the Anon one since uh I I love
those guys they're good guys over there good old Ryan Smith and Dr cutress
and uh I'm sure I'm forgetting someone else who's really nice those are the guys that I sort of have actually
chatted with anyway um what do they what do we have to say about it always
synchronized variable overdrive actually variable overdrive is kind of important
I can talk a little bit about that but not not too too much uh SLI support uh
Window mode support so g-sync is actually getting a fair bit of cool
stuff Window mode support's a big one a lot of people prefer gaming in uh full
screen Window mode and that was not supported in G with g-sync up until now
so they went ahead they launched that along with the 980ti uh variable
overdrive is something I didn't talk about at all in my 980ti video even
though it's news that came out around the same time and what it means is okay
so pixel response times when you talk about gray to gray or black to white or
you know whatever however however LCD
manufacturers want to talk about pixel response times is basically the amount
of time in milliseconds that it takes for an individual pixel on average to go
from one color to another color whatever spec whatever color shift we're looking
at so gr to gray would be gray and then back to gray so pixel response times are
a factor for color reproduction because
if you have a moving object across the screen and the pixels can't respond fast
enough you're going to have weird like a weird color ghost behind moving objects
where there is a high contrast uh line so something like a freelancer was a
great example of this bit of an older game now but so are most of the games
that I've logged serious hours in and on my old Dell 24in monitor I really
noticed that whenever the the wing tips of my spacecraft moved around there was
a serious um we used to call it Mo we
called it ghosting and then we decided that wasn't right and then we called it motion blur I think we're back to
calling it ghosting I don't know whatever there's a trailing uh
discoloration behind behind wing tips whenever there's a high contrast line
now variable refresh rate throws a real
monkey wrench into this because what you can do through a feature called
overdrive is you can actually push the pixels harder to change faster and
that's how you're able that's one of the ways that you can reduce pixel response
time and reduce this motion blur but variable refresh rate so when the when
the pixels are actually being told to refresh at uneven intervals can cause
not necessarily A blurry artifact behind a moving object but what it can cause is
differences in the stage that the pixels
are at in terms of switching colors depending on how quickly the whole panel
is refreshing so NVIDIA's basically come
out with a way to have OverDrive applied
on the Fly according to how quickly the
monitor is refreshing and that's uh that's a new g-sync feature but the big
one the one I'm supposed to be talking about is mobile g-sync and this was
causing waves right around the same time as vram gate because it was kind of
revealed through a site that was using a driver that assus had um accidentally
leaked to them revealed that there was a particular assus laptop I believe it was
the g751 that could be tricked into running
gsync but it wasn't quite working PC perspective did a great followup on it
where they really investigated it found out it wasn't quite working right but
what this revealed was that g-sync could run without a dedicated g-sync scaler
chip and in fact in notebooks it was speculated at the time that was how it
would be run because of power constraints and space constraints on
notebooks so um so that looks like what
has finally happened so there you go the
one that we actually have here in house is not from not from ASUS in fact we
didn't get it uh we didn't get it sampled by NVIDIA either it's um it's a
company called Sager or Sager I'm gonna I'll find out before I do my review what
the correct pronunciation is for it but um they they make laptops and they've
got they've sent us a one of their one of their models that actually has a
4790k desktop CPU in it it's got a GTX
98m and it's got a 75 HZ variable
refresh rate 1080p IPS display in it that I have played around with a little
bit now and I got to tell you guys gsync on mobile makes a lot of sense just like
it makes sense on a desktop to me I love variable refresh rate and uh yeah it's a
great gaming experience so it uses embedded DisplayPort remember guys that
um that laptops have already had some
manner certain ones some manner of variable refresh rate for some time it
was used as a power saving feature so now it's uh so now it's using embedded
DisplayPort in order to enable this particular feature there's no power consuming chip required and it's
actually very similar to how AMD freesync functions on the desktop side
so those two technologies should perform quite similarly on mobile now something
that is not clear as of yet is whether
NVIDIA is going to enable g-sync moduel
Less g-sync on the desktop and adopt an
open standard or or do whatever else it is down the road but the sort of the
word on the street and what NVIDIA has said publicly is that there's more that
they can do with the g-sync module than what they can do without the g-sync
module so mobile g-sync is going to be better than no g-sync or no free sync
but mobile gsync might not necessarily ever be able to be as good as desktop
g-sync so stay tuned for that let me
just see if I'm missing anything else apparently Optimus is not available with
mobile g-sync yet since there's no support from Intel as of yet and I guess
that's pretty much it um yeah other than
that it's pretty much the way gsync works so AMD Fiji was somewhat unveiled
at computex so this was posted by Dr
deconstruct on the Forum let's go ahead and post this link in here hey look at
that I can get 4,000 of you to watch
even if I don't have Luke maybe I should just get rid of him entirely cuz what do
we what do we get about 6,000 when we do have Luke yeah okay I guess he's still
pulling his weight around here just kidding I I feel weird I feel weird
hosting the show without having Luke here accompanying me but I totally
understand he needs to sleep they've done a great job at the show uh let's go
ahead and pull this up so this is video
cards.com but quite frankly there have been so many leaks and so many uh
there's so much speculation that all kind of points in the same direction that I think anyone's pretty much as
credible as anyone else when it comes to radon R9 Theory as it is rumored to be
going to be called so the current sort
of General consensus among rumors is that radon R9 390x and down are going to
be rebrands maybe not straight rebrands
because it was also revealed that amds
oh and I'm going to screw it up because there's so many code names um I believe
it was Tonga Tonga
384bit let's just have a quick look yes so AMD actually this is from
wccf Tech AMD's Tonga GPU which um again
this is off memory but I believe our buddy Scott Watson over at tech report
was pretty damn sure was a
384bit memory controller uh capable chip
uh even though the only card it's appeared in is a 256
memory controller card like memory interface card um it looks like if
that's who said it and I'm pretty darn sure it was it looks like he was right
so even though the current rumor is that
anything 390x and down is basically going to be re Badges of current
gpus we might get some curve balls
thrown in there especially if AMD decides to do a fully enabled Tonga so
the rumor then is that the um Fiji GPU is going to appear in a
Halo type card much like NVIDIA's Titan
series and it's going to be called The Fury which if you've been following uh
formerly ATI but now AMD graphics cards
for a really long time might be a bit of a familiar name Rage Fury anybody
remember those so it looks like this might be a bit of a throwback kind of
name to the old ATI dat but there you go it's pictured here Fiji
makes a public appearance there's four stacks of high bandwidth memory remember
guys that's one of the things that makes it super high bandwidth the fact that
they are able to put it right next to the GPU instead of having it take up a
bunch of space on a board and uh there
you go that's it being shown off by AMD so this is on video
cards.com very cool um current current
rumors also suggest that Fiji is going to be quite a small graphics card and
given that you don't need a bunch of room on the PCB it kind of makes sense
but uh you know what I kind of want to do a straw pull about this straw
pull do you guys feel like a smaller
graphics card um does it feel like
you're getting less for your money does
a small graphics card make your
EP feel inadequate because it's not like
NVIDIA's never done this before I mean the GTX 670 was a a second from the top
tier card effectively and it had that tiny short PCB and then it had like that
that penis extension as I called it at the time plastic shroud extension that
made the card actually bigger that reduced compatibility with uh here let's
um okay so let's go with come up with a
nonsense option um so so NVIDIA's
actually done that before but if you water cool so right so they hurt compatibility with cases in order to
make it like seem bigger and also to have room for the blower fan but that's
neither here nor there and guys who water cooled those things ended up with
like this like badass looking motherboard and like huge RAM with
lights all over it and then this like ity bitty graphics card and it kind of
like I almost felt like it was like a way to get you to buy a GTX 680 just to
get a decent size card so it would look cool in your system so I want to hear
from you guys does a small graphics card
make your EP feel inadequate so if you bought a Fiji for you know let's say
similar price let's say somewhere between GTX 980 TI pricing so you know
650 bucks and like titanex pricing so $1,000 would you feel like you got
ripped off if it was small uh we've got 47% of you saying no it's no big deal
doesn't matter uh we've got 35 5% of you
though saying that yes a small graphics
card makes me feel inadequate which is
which is pretty darn interesting with uh 18% of you voting for
eyeliner which is great I mean if you
guys can wear it nearly as well as Johnny Depp then I feel pretty good for
you all right Microsoft explains what
you will lose by upgrading to Windows 10
this was posted by fuzzy crumpkin let's
go ahead and copy the the link I can't believe we're like almost
half an hour into the show because I have so many topics today the original
article here is from The Verge so let's go ahead and pull that bad boy up Go
internet Microsoft explains what you'll lose because they're offering it and you
guys have probably seen notifications in fact I'm screen sharing right now there
you go so the process goes a little something like this get Windows 10
Reserve okay install
enjoy blah blah blah blah blah blah blah so here they tell us a bunch of good
stuff about it and then you go ahead and you I think something here whatever I
don't know I did it on another computer I don't understand how to do it anymore apparently learn more on Windows.com
whatever so the point is they're not really talking about some of the things
that you are going to lose so Windows Media Center is going away so if you're
one of the seven people on Earth who uses Windows Media Center then you might
be a little bit disappointed and there is no downgrade that I'm aware of
Microsoft seems to be confident enough this is not that this is not a Vista and
people are not going to be clamoring to downgrade and then upgrade later if at
all um new drivers will be required for
floppy discs so if you were still using a floppy disc you might want to stick
with uh Windows 7 or Windows 8 Cortana
will only be available in the US UK China France Italy Germany and Spain at
launch so Canada is getting no love although that's not necessarily
something that upgraders lose since it's not like they had Catana anyway watching
DVDs will require separate playback
software so that's something that they've been including for quite some time and looks like will no longer be
included with that said I don't watch a ton of DVDs on my computer in
fact most of the computers that I mostly care about these days are portable ones
and I don't even have DVD drives in them in fact a lot of people are building desktops without DVD drives in them mine
actually has a DVD drive that plays CDs
DVDs HD DVDs and Blu-rays so I'm
equipped for any Optical media but the last time I used it was when I convinced
myself I was going to play uh Alice madness Returns and then I never got
around to it and then I eventually pulled it out of the drive because I was sick of it spinning up every time I
turned on my computer and got annoyed so there you go maybe you use a DVD drive I
personally don't uh what else we got here uh Windows hello biometric
passwords we'll need infrared camera for facial recognition or a supported
fingerprint reader and Xbox music and Xbox video streaming apps will be
constrained by region-based licenses uh Pro oh this is something
very interesting Pro and Enterprise editions will be able to defer updat so
that is to say they'll be able to say yeah no I'm I'm not ready yet I'll take
an update later Windows 10 the normal
one for like normal people home people will not have that option updates will
be downloaded and installed automatically once they are available
now a big part of me is upset about that
because from a productivity standpoint that can be super duper annoying and a
big part of me is upset about that because I don't like someone telling me
how to use my computer but a big part of me kind of goes H you know what they're
right because how often is it if you
guys are you know what let's straw pull the crap out of this too because this is
kind of a big deal how often is it and I want to hear from the guys who do like
on the side or professional Tech work for like family or friends or in a store
um so Windows
updates mandatory yay or
nay yay nay
um how many of you guys have a machine
brought into your shop or given to you that's like oh it's really slow and it's
got lots of viruses and you kind of sit there and go
well GE maybe if you'd allowed your computer to install an update once in
the last I don't know 4 years you wouldn't be having this problem because
it's not necessarily about you it's
about most of the users out there and if
Windows updates being rolled out more quickly means that it's less easy for
malware to propagate and for what for
computers to be compromised is that not good for us all as a whole I understand
that bandwidth constraints are a big problem for some people and I get that
but yeah geez I don't know looks like you guys are pretty divided on this as
well with 47% of you 48% figuring yay
you know let's make the mandatory 39% of you saying nay and 13% of you all
agreeing with each other that surfing is cool
so I wish that I could kind of go on a
tie raade now and say this is the right thing this is the answer and they've got
it wrong or they've got it right but I don't I don't have a clear answer uh one
thing that I do know is that you know as a Professional
Organization like here at at work you know as a pro
user I might pay a little extra for a pro license to not have to you know just
have our computers randomly install updates and shut down or whatever the
case may be so gee man I don't know ssds
continue to get cheaper uh this was posted by on the Forum by E chondo let
me go ahead and post the link here
SanDisk has a two terabyte SSD for
$1,000 now 2 terab ssds are not
necessarily the newest thing in the world in fact we were talking on Wow
about about a 6 terb SSD not that long
ago 2 terab for $11,000 means
50s per gig and I remember everyone
wanted that $1 per gig Mark that was what everyone wanted and then it
happened and then ssds exploded and went mainstream um the fact that we're seeing
this now if I'm a hard drive maker boy
am I afraid because Mo's law dictates
that this is going to be half the price in I believe it's uh I believe it's a
year so every what is it every year we double the transistor density orah so
this should be half the price in a year maybe even cheaper once SanDisk has a
little bit of competition here that is
incredible because it's not that everyone needs a two terab boot Drive in
fact I don't think everyone needs a two terab boot drive and I think that the
amount of storage that people need as a boot Drive is going to it's going to
intersect with the speed at which ssds are increasing in capacity so it's going
to happen even sooner ssds aren't going to have to catch up to hard drives so
people are going to need their bulk storage they're going to have a Nas or they're going to have a DropBox account
that they pay way too much for whatever else the case may be they're going to have their bulk magnetic storage and
then they're only going to need I think
512 gigs is lots and one tbte is as much
as we'll ever need and don't quote me on that I know but one tbte was kind of a
magic point for hard drives when people that was like the time when people
stopped caring about new hard drives one tab was a super magic time for hard
drives I think affordable one tbte drives is going to be a super magic time
for ssds as well because that's enough to have a handful of games installed
even if you're a gamer and if you're going to start streaming games over the
Internet especially for the ones where twitch responsiveness is not that important that storage space locally
could become even less relevant um it's enough to have a lot of games installed
it's enough to have a fair chunk of movies you can always have an external
drive for some additional movies or other media wow super scary so it's the
extreme 900 portable SSD it has a 1.92
tbte formatted size there will also be 480 and 960 gig versions and has a
maximum performance rating of 850 megabytes per second doesn't specify
reads or rights it's equipped with a USB 3.1 interface and they'll have a
threeyear warranty on these new drives
so stay tuned guys cuz anything that shows up in an external drive is going
to be in an internal drive and as performance continues to scale ssds are
going to just keep make more and more and more sense all the time and you know
what's funny is because back when ssds were still
gaining traction there would be every SSD video I did was just full of
comments about how nobody needs an SSD and it doesn't matter and don't you have
2 seconds to wait and now people are f finally mostly clued in to the fact that
it's way more than 2 seconds and yes it's worth it the tradeoff is worth it
it's huge it could be 30 seconds when
you're launching an application depending on what else you've got going on on your computer at a time and that
could be 30 seconds now and then 30 seconds a minute from now it's a big
deal um yeah I'm a huge SSD Advocate as
you guys probably know at this point um there's a USB drive with USB type A and
type c although the uh I actually hadn't
looked at the article for this one yet because I assumed that I knew what we
were talking about here we go I assumed
I knew what we were talking about and I thought it was something from another company but apparently uh this is
SanDisk showing off one at computex this is the way that USB type-c is going to
go mainstream having it also on drives
that feature USB type A so you have that compatibility with something like a
Macbook as well as with the whatever
other computer you own that obviously doesn't have a typc connector since you
probably don't own both a Chromebook Pixel latest gen and a Macbook uh so a
way to actually get data onto it in order to put onto your MacBook um this
is going to be really common I think until USB type-c just get goes
completely ubiquitous and all the other connectors pretty much go away but one
of the things that I'm happy to see is not every everyone is diving head first
into just USB type-c devices no that seems to be mostly Apple that wants to
do that because as much as type- C has been vetted in you know a laboratory
somewhere it has not been field tested
yet and before I have a bunch of motherboards and laptops that only have
type-c connectors on them I would love to have a little bit of experience
actually using the
thing all right so Intel has been
showing off Broadwell uh this was posted by
zle let's go ahead and copy the link here uh so Broadwell for desktops we've
already seen Broadwell in the corm so we've got Broadwell for mobile devices
already but of course Broadwell for desktops is kind of a big deal or is it
so Tom's Hardware has got their review up of the
5775c and the
5675c and basically what it comes down to is it
Toms can you not please uh basically
what it comes down to is yep performance
has not really changed a lot in terms of
um you know gaming with the discreet GPU
I sure wish this would work a little better for me here but the onboard
Graphics looks like it has pretty much
killed any possibility of oh for crying
out loud any possibility of discreet grade low-end graphics cards existing
pretty well ever again so I'm going to make sure I'm on the right dang page
here there we go so let's have a look at these performance numbers from Toms good
guys over there as well actually same ownership as uh as an onch these days
look at that so that's BioShock Infinite at 1080p low settings mind you know
antialiasing running at 86 frames per
second average
on the core i5 that's incredible I mean AMD was King
of the integrated Graphics ever since they launched the Apu concept but Intel
quietly slowly but surely has been improving the integrated graphics on
their mainstream chips as well to the point where now holy cow if I'm AMD I am
a little bit scared because people have always people ask me what CPU to buy all
the time and if they're using integrated graphics for some light gaming or it's
like a computer at Grandma's house and the grandkids come over once in a while
maybe they you know bring a game and they're staying over for the weekend and
they don't want it to just completely not run at all I'd say get an
APU wow if they don't have that going for them anymore that is that is deeply
worrying if you are if you're into AMD continuing to make sense on the lowend
onboard Graphics scene now I can't find it in the Tom's article right now but
there's actually some pretty good die shots out there of Broadwell and how
like literally half half of the die is
not CPU which should make sense given that we know that Intel can cram you
know eight cores in an Enthusiast grade CPU these days so the fact that they're
only putting four on the mainstream ones means they probably had a lot of room
left over here's a scary thought too oh wow
imagine this for a moment if Intel actually did like a dedicated chip for
gamers where they it had no onboard Graphics but it actually SL cuz AMD's
done this before on the fm2 platform I believe or fm2 plus they did non apus
they did just CPUs imagine if Intel did
that where they took something like a Broadwell or the upcoming Skylake and
they just chopped off the GPU and did a pure gaming
it would cost them half as okay obviously plus R&D but the actual
material cost would be half what the one
with the GPU built into it would be how
scary is that if Intel could deliver 4790k performance to anyone who's
planning to put a graphics card in for half the price for
$149.99 I don't even know what AMD would sell at that point but I don't think
Intel's really that into putting AMD out
of business anyway so I guess it yeah doesn't it's really a non-issue um
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related to something that we've been talking about a fair bit on the show lately I was posted by exia on the Forum
I'm going to go ahead and post this in twitch but the headline here is actually
kind of heartbreaking it's uh it's an article from mn.com um dis you terminated your job uh
by the way can you please um train your
replacement so last take after layoff at
Disney train forign replacement so yeah pretty much employees uh some of which
have worked at Disney for 10 years um
and there's there's a really heartbreaking story about one guy that
actually had a performance review from his direct supervisor after he' been
told by that person's boss that he was being terminated and had to train his
cheaper import replacement that said that he was being recommended for a
raise and that he had uh saved the company a ton of money and it was like a
really positive performance review um
so anyway Data Systems employees they
monitored the computers in industrial buildings nearby making sure millions of
ticket sales store purchases and hotel reservations went through without a
hitch uh some of them thought the meetings with their manager had been
called since they were receiving a bonus for their Stellar work in actuality 250
employees were called in and told they would be laid off the jobs were transferred to uh people on temporary
visas for highly skilled technical work uh brought in by an Outsourcing firm the
jobs were so over the next 3 months some
employees were required to train their Replacements to do the job that they
lost so for the first month their replacement Shadows them for the second
month they do it side by side and for the third month they basically don't do
anything and just kind of watch their job being done by their new person so if
they remained for the 90 days to train
their replacement they were offered a stay bonus of 10% of the severance pay
on top of their severance
pay yeah so this is this is this there
there's like there so there's a couple things happening number one is outsourcing is still very much real and
number two is the crazy thing about this
is it's nothing compared to when Disney automates that job who knows how long
from now I mean talked about the McDonald's restaurant that is opening
with no employees whatsoever on wo a
while ago I shouldn't say whatsoever they have a skeleton crew to oversee the
machines but everything from taking orders to Making burgers to delivering
the burger to the customer is going to be handled by robots and what that is
going to mean because you know I got to look at something like that as you know
like is McDonald's just shooting themselves in the foot I mean who eats
at McDonald's if not like and no no offense if you eat at
McDonald's I eat at McDonald's from time to time too like it's not like but I
mean who relies on McDonald's if not
your lower income people so and like I I
actually my my badminton doubles partner was a longtime McDonald's employee he
ate like almost every meal at McDonald's so you're going to go you're so you're
McDonald's and you're going to basically not just take away jobs and income from
but you're going to piss off all these lower income people who presumably have
families and friends who you know maybe there's a couple lower income people
there as well you're going to go and piss off all these people for the sake of saving a couple bucks who's going to
eat at your restaurant anymore and maybe I'm wrong maybe I'm completely wrong and
maybe McDonald's is business is going to completely take off because the robots
are faster uh more sanitary they make
fewer errors um I I don't I don't know I don't know it just
um I don't see myself ever doing
I also am not in a position where I'm running you know a huge multi-billion
dollar multinational corporation where every penny I save literally results in
you know tens or hundreds of millions of dollars but I I like having a team of
people that's you know paid a living wage and is and is happy with the work
that they're doing and I just uh I don't know it just it grosses me out to see to
see stuff like this
um speaking of oh man so fully automated
this was posted by boozo on the Forum and ASUS has rolled out the first fully
automated graphics card production line and this fascinates me from a
technological standpoint but ties very well into this last topic and uh we've
got the original article here one of them from Tom's Hardware I've actually
asked isus to give me a lot more details on this and I would I would actually
love to get my hands on one of the graphics cards made with it because I
don't know if you guys know this but graphics cards up till now still had
some hand soldering and I believe some of the QA was actually done by hand so
their new production method is an industry first and should deliver more
reliable higher quality graphics cards than before by completely taking out the
human element so I hopefully this is going to go ahead and load a larger
image at some point here dity doop there you go look how
beautiful that PCB is so the the like
the geeky Tech in me goes holy cow that
is sex sfic I mean it is so clean
everything is
perfect but ASUS isn't going to give you a discount on it I'm sure and I mean as
much as you know some some people might go well you know soldering components on
graphics cards at the last stage of production is a crappy job it was a job
for someone um and they do not have it anymore so uh what's I mean but this is
like so again we're my my inner geek kind of goes holy
crap that's awesome because one of the things that you can achieve here is less
oxidation on the graphics card because
you can actually produce them in an environment without oxygen
so what so my graphics card could last for 20
years that seems like a pretty good thing I don't know man um so there's
some speculation that this could lead to longer warranties uh better reliability
like all this cool stuff uh the so the first card produced uh using Auto
extreme was the 20th anniversary edition card so I've actually asked to for a
sample so we can check this out in
person um
so there's a really good thread on the Forum this was posted by Mech 77 I'm
going to go ahead and post this here
um all right let me just sorry I I'm a
little slower paced than usual I'm trying to keep up here without my uh
without my lovely co-host but uh basically there's a YouTube video to
watch about direct x2's multi GPU
rendering so there's a demo here from oxide
games um and you guys should definitely check that out I'll post that link in
the in the thread that goes up after wow but so currently the way that multi gpus
are combined is that each GPU and a in a dual card config takes turn rendering
takes turns rendering each frame and back in the early days of multi-GPU uh
Crossfire and SLI it was actually done a
little bit differently so you could have alternate frame rendering and that was
usually what would work best but some times you could do tiled stuff and there
there were actually other modes um but the way that that works is both gpus
have to be nearly identical run at the same clock speed and have the same data
in their video memory in uh resulting in
redundancies and limitations in terms of which cards can be used and how the
resources can be used so something that's a huge confusion point and that
NVIDIA and AMD frankly don't help people with is that if you buy a card like a
GTX 690 okay which is
pretty much two 670 680 sort of cards um
it'll it'll call itself what oh crap 69 new what was that a six gig
card or was it a 4 gig card whatever I don't care um I think it was a 4 gig
card so it'll call itself a 4 gig card because there's technically 4 gabt of
GPU memory on board but actually usably
there's only two gigs because it has to have two copies um it has to have two
copies of the data in memory and so yes that was a 4 gig card um so now each GPU
can render only a specific part of the frame and video memory can be stacked as
each card is actually working on a separate aspect of the frame so it's up
to the developer to implement this which means pretty much and the video actually
shows an integrated GPU being used in conjunction with a dedicated GPU so here
we go so which means that in my mind we're pretty much not going to see this
implemented very well if at all but it's
a very cool piece of technology for the future I'm just trying to find bloody
hell well whatever um you can check out this video and I'll definitely link it
if you want to get a little bit more detail in terms of how it works uh very
cool Tech not sure if it'll have any practical use just because if you guys
already look at how broken established stuff like SLI that's been around for
years that NVIDIA is actively working on you look at how well that's working in
some Modern games and you kind of go oh crap cuz quite frankly is NVIDIA going
to have any incentive to help a game developer implement this no is AMD going
to want to do it maybe but hard to
say um this I actually talked about a little
bit here we go this I actually talked about a little
bit in my 980 TI video but
um this could be a big problem this is this is definitely this is from tech
power up here and was originally posted let me just grab that op here uh was
originally posted on the Forum by big stuns this could be a big problem for
AMD over the next little bit here I don't know if you guys are going to
remember this but um I'm not even sure
if I remember this correctly I'm trying to remember who had the direct X1
Advantage I want to say AMD uh first
DirectX 11 card I want to say it was
6000 series I really don't
remember I suck well whatever the point
is um having an advantage in terms of
what level of direct de is supported by your cards maybe AMD was doing 11.1
first or something like that someone's going to correct me thank you in advance
um having an advantage in terms of your direct X support level can be a huge
selling point for gamers and whether it actually translates into something
meaningful for the person who owns that card that's like the first one to
support directx9 um is highly debatable I mean I
know AMD had an advantage back in the DirectX 9 days um when it was the 9000
series versus the FX series um but that
was a whole other issue because uh not only were the FX 5800 series like not
even properly direct X they were just kind of sucked in general so ATI was
selling a lot more cards at the time just on the sheer Merit of their performance in direct X8 games at the
time and that's that's that's a big issue is like whether there's a real
advantage to owning that first DirectX 12.1 card is yet to be seen because
DirectX 12.1 capable games might show up
and a GTX 980 could look like a joke
even running it with those features on and actually we need you know 10,000 80s
in order to really get the most out of it anyway but
that will sell Gamers on games and
DirectX 12 is looking like yes we'll
have support on pretty much any DirectX 10 card or newer but that doesn't mean
we have all the support so you're going to have the lowlevel uh access for game
developers to get more out of the hardware that's great you're going to
have that low CPU overhead on on pretty much the entire backlog there but what
you won't have is some pretty cool new
rendering features so one of them is volume tiled resources so this is an
evolution of tiled resources so that is basically reusing resources rather than
restoring them or rendering them all the time so this is volume tiled resources
are you jumping in because you want to talk directex 12.1 or just in
general hi are you guys doing something
to me yeah oh no okay oh that was Ed he
said hi thanks Ed um so volume tiled resources and and
this loads the entire texture to memory not only just along X and Y axis but
also a third dimension so this is like a performance Improvement so while it's a
rendering technique it could be something that just straight up improves
performance conservative rasterization so that is an a means of drawing
polygons with additional pixels that makes it easier for two polygons to
interact with each other like you know how like the characters you know
shoulder armor will just like dip into their shoulder from time to time this
could help with stuff like that and raster ordered views which is a means to
optimize raster loads in the order in which they appear in an object so
practical applications include improved Shadows so these are only going to be
supported are you joining me or yeah yeah sure come on in we've got Nick
joining us so these are only features that are going to work on cards that
support DirectX 12core like feature level one so that is Maxwell not 780 not
750 Ti is my understanding so second gen Maxwell uh 960 970 980 and Titan X and
980 TI and then AMD's Tonga and then
presumably Fiji which is a card that's
going to be inaccessible to most people thanks to its price anyway cuz what we
don't know is how much it costs but what we do know is that it's not cheap right
so um what do you got do you want to
talk uh do you want to talk 65 core smartphone yeah yeah let's talk about
the 65 core smartphone I thought this was pretty funny um so Intel created a
mock 65 core smartphone where uh one of
their principal Engineers franois ped
Noel you're actually it's a little bit off frame here I'll move over there we
go that's franois ped Noel uh he made
remarks during an Intel benchmarking session at computex on Thursday that
this is the world's first 65 core smartphone he said more than a server uh
but what it really was was the what was it four core uh Zen phone is it yeah and
then a 61 core xon that he essentially
just taped to the back of it so um kind
of taking pot shots at the competition a little bit after the whole Deca core
thing from mediatech um and you know
what I agree with Intel 100% that the
core race on particularly mobile is
really silly right now and I think there's one other major smartphone maker
I'm trying to remember what they're called what are they starts with an A starts
with an A they only have dual core smartphones even though everyone else is
going quad o right Apple I think Apple
also agrees that we don't need a core
count race in smartphones right now on PCS where we're finally getting
multi-threaded workloads whether it's uh 3D rendering or video outputting or you
know uh directx12 coming and giving us finally some some multi-threading
awareness for games on desktops yes multicore makes sense and has made sense
for quite some time in Mobile we need
strong single cores for a long time still and so a 65 core smartphone would
be a little silly a 10 core smartphone is probably a little silly unless the
strategy would be a super strong dual core in like eight super low power
auxiliary cores or whatever the case may be that's kind of Intel's point right is
that you're not going to be able to push 10 cores in a form factor for a
smartphone like it's going to be one to
two cores that are doing all the work and then the other eight are just there
for marketing purposes essentially just like look at how many cores we have yeah
cuz there are implementations that make sense like like a big small
implementation where I mean we've even seen this octacore processors that have
so there's four big ones and four small ones so the phone can literally turn off
the big ones when you're not doing anything intensive um and Intel has has
uh quadcore smartphone processors so so
there's that um but yeah we don't need 10 and it'll
be a long time if ever that we need more than four and I should I with ever
asterisk at some point I'm sure we will um I don't think that'll be during the
Silicon age though yeah yeah it might take something completely different to
come along in the future um so what do we got
next uh official valve steam machine
pre-orders to reach some customers October 16th this was posted by Good
Bites oh and that last one was posted by oh shoot I had I actually had to open
the article here to see who posted it yeah I'm not sure uh I want to give you
credit H fuzzy yellow so let's go ahead and pull this one up this one the
original article here is from polygon and it looks like official steam
machines are actually a thing but this is not the kind of steam machine that
tickles my Enthusiast funny bone this
looks like pretty much a collaboration
with Alienware to just have Alienware
steam machine be the official steam machine and so uh it's going to be
pretty low power it's not going to be particularly
upgradeable um
yeah so I don't I don't I don't know what to say steam controller's coming
out yeah steam controller it'll have a custom graphics core that'll perform at
about the level of an 860m so if you want to play anything
sort of more complicated than Super Meat Boy at 1080p then you're not going to be
that thrilled with the uh with the experience uh there's a great video of
uh for this for the steam controller teaser showing it being used in games um
that looks really really compelling so
everything from top down RTS to Shooters
and whoever's been using it probably has like a thousand hours logged on it so
yeah they're looking pretty Pro with the haptic feedback on that they're looking
pretty Pro but if you guys haven't seen the finished steam controller yet then
there's a picture of what it's going to look like right there so we end up with
something sort that at least Bears a resemblance to a normal game controller
like you kind of got a dpad haptic touch d-pad sort of they they went and they
put that that texture on there for the
d-pad lovers still just like the full circle is uh is touch sensitive or what
it's it's all trackable got an analog stick you've got your abxy and then
you've got your your other touchpad and then what's really cool and they show
how this is being used is the reverse buttons so you've got a squeeze in here
you've got the ones up here and they show that being used in some really cool
ways like we've seen aftermarket stuff like this like we actually got some
controllers in for review that had uh buttons remapped to the bottom so that
you didn't have to uh so that you so that you could aim and zoom and fire at
the same time like scuff and stuff like that stuff like that uh we thought the
implementation was very poor we didn't end up reviewing it but valves looks
like it might be okay so I'm going to be
like the Luke on this one and just say I could see this being a lot of fun for
games like Civ just kind of sitting on the couch and playing Civ and laying
back and kind of zoning out um I don't
see a whole lot of use for it in like you said FPS games sure it's better than
a normal controller maybe but you're still just going to get beat by everyone
with a mouse and keyboard as far as I can tell I haven't played with thing so
maybe I'm totally wrong but um yeah I
like even valve even says it's not meant to replace a mouse and keyboard it's
meant to bring a better couch experience to PC gaming so I think that they're
doing a good job with that meanwhile you've got Corsair um hold on couch yeah
uh lap dog lap dog thank you there it is meanwhile you've got guys like nerdy
Tech and even Corsair jumping in trying to bring the mouse and keyboard
experience to the couch rather than trying to get you to compromise with the
controller and I I admire their efforts
here but I for
me I would probably I'm going to at least give valves controller a shot here
y um so this was posted by bleedman 0xx
on the Forum here I'm going to go ahead and copy it and
finally finally valve is allowing
refunds on Steam in a way that is
actually meaningful and not just like oh
you know once and you know a blue moon
if ever and so you can now request a
refund for nearly any purchase on Steam for any
reason wow that's actually kind of insane which which shouldn't be insane
finally digital distribution okay okay okay okay so okay back in the old days
of physical media you could return a game yeah this was prec CD keys this was
back when the physical media represented
the game you didn't own the game anymore if you didn't have that disc now CD Keys
came along and all of a sudden that disc meant nothing once You' registered an
account with Blizzard or whatever the case may be I mean you could be
returning them nothing yeah and you might as well be returned like they
weren't going to get a credit so then digital came along and adopted that
policy for some reason even though platforms like steam are their own DRM
they know if you've played the game I mean that was something that I could see
a physical store being upset about well you were just using us as a free rental
yeah you finished the game and brought it back screw you Val knows they even
know where you die on their maps in Counterstrike like they know how much
you played the game so now uh you will
be issued a full refund of your purch just within a week of approval um if you
have played the game for I believe it's less than 2 hours so 14 days as long as
you've played it for less than 2 hours for pre purchased titles um refunds on
in-game purchases I think that's a really big one especially with the
prevalence of stuff like Counterstrike items like did you know there's some
knives in Counter-Strike now that are like $1,500 for a knife
Skin So within 48 hours hours of purchase so long it has as it has not
been consumed modified or transferred um
refunds on DLC uh and if blah blah blah refundable
within 14 days of purchase and if the underlying title has not been played for
less than two hours since the DLC was purchase blah blah blah blah uh steam
wallet refunds within 14 days of purchase if they purchased on Steam you not have to use any of those funds and
refunds on bundles you can now receive a full refund for any bundle purchased on
the steam store so long as none of the items in the bundle have been transferred and if the combined usage of
time is less than 2 hours so 2 hours is the magic time which honestly is pretty
generous no refunds on movies cuz as
long as you've used this movie for less than two
hours it's like yeah I missed the end credits
thanks so refunds are designed to remove
the risk from purchasing titles on Steam
not as a way to get free access to games if it appears to us that you are abusing
refunds we may stop offering them to you we do not consider it abuse to request a
refund on a title that was purchased just before a sale and then immediately
reing that title for the sale price so
this is effectively valve offering price
protection even yeah if you've played a game for less than two hours that's cool
hey way to go I think it's pretty sweet way to go valve some people in chat are
calling me out about saying there was a $1,500 knife there was one that was
rumored to go for $20,000 like no one has any real proof of that and even if
it was that's like a oneoff that's not a market price that's someone paying way
too much for stupid like $1,500 is way too much anyway I'm on a tangent um
let's have a first Nicks rants segment yeah yeah yeah no nobody wants to hear
that um people in chat this isn't we we
talked about this earlier in the week this isn't in the dock but people in chat all stream have been asking about
the the thermal take thing what's your opinion on that what's my opinion I
don't give a rat's ass
that's why it wasn't in the dog um yeah it straight up wasn't in our document
for topics to cover this week um if anyone okay you know what here I'm GNA
I'm going to put my computer now for the official lus R I'm going to put my computer down I'm I'm going give you
guys a little I'm going give you no no it's fine it's fine I'm going to give
you guys a little a little a little chat okay the PC industry is the most
inbred um copying everyone
people stealing trade secrets from each other industry that could possibly exist
remember these are technology enthusiasts these are the guys who are
inventing 3D printers okay and 3D scanners and like
better means of ripping each other off all day okay and so I'm going to I'm
going to I'm going to go and I'm going to drag someone else into this whole thing I'm not even going to talk about
thermal take or case Labs you're going yeah I'm going there there I'm going
there so let's look at a company like fractal design I love fractal design I
love Josh I love yens I love hanas uh
I'll even tolerate Johan I'm I'm naming all the people at fractal design who I
know and and like and respect fractal
design built their company their their first product the defin R they built
their company off of taking the antec p180 and doing it better and cheaper
than antech and antech to this day in my mind
although I haven't seen their new signature case to this day has not found
their groove again and that's the breaks
because the thing about a case the thing about a physical object is that if you
can't find a way to patent it and Josh from fractal design has actually been on
the record saying there's only so many
ways to manufacture a rectangular box he
actually brought that up last week um on
what what's Paul and Kyle's shows awesome Hardware right um awesome sauce
news and Paul's Hardware I think I think their live show is called awesome Hardware sorry guys if that's not
correct um but Kyle had uh Josh on as a
guest because Paul's in Taipei for comex
so Josh actually said in that stream he went to the old there's only so many
ways that you can make a metal box
um argument when when it was brought up with him so it's not like these guys
aren't aware that that's what's happening and the innovation in a case
the innovation in a case in my mind is not in the finished product because if I
could make a case out of you know um
spiderwebs and pixie dust then I could
make the best case ever of course I could the innovation in a case is in
manufacturing so if you patent a process
for bending aluminum in a way that literally no one else can even make your
case yeah then you innovate it yeah if
you innovate the idea of having like
okay um NZ xt's innovation of removing the 5 and A4 inch Bas from the
h440 Innovative idea but you can't
patent that and you can't prevent your competitors from making a case with no 5
and a/4 inch Baye and NZXT is not a bunch of idiots and they know that
someone is going to as soon as that case is successful everyone else in their dog
is going to be doing it because that's not that's that's just that's just it's
a it's an idea you can't patent an like
well you can patent an idea but you you can't patent like removing a speck I
guess is what I'm trying to say you can't patent a spec difference so like
you can't patent the idea of executing a case that doesn't have a certain aspect
yeah like it's not that you can't patent an idea it's that you can't you can't
patent an aspect of something that's so ubiquitous 5 and a quar inch Bays
existing and you'll have cases on the with a spec sheet on the side that says
1 Time 5 and a quarter or 5 * 5 and a quarter the fact that you just made a
case that says 0 * 5 and a quarter is not is not it's not patentable yeah
that's not that's not patentable um whereas the idea of you know okay
looking at inwin transforming case where they literally made something that no
one else can make that is innovation so
to me someone like Cas laabs came along and they did something really important
they made easy spacious water cooling friendly cases accessible and affordable
and high quality in a way that hey if we're going to start talking about
copying people in a way that I who I would consider to be their spiritual
predecessor Mountain mods didn't manage to do that's what case Labs did and they
did a great job but if they're going to kind of run and
cry foul because someone you know copied
that idea of making an affordable roomy
well-thought out case I mean uh I don't
know um to me it's about actually making
it um and it's not necessarily about the
idea of having a lot of places for a radiator if you don't actually execute
it or if someone else executes it better and that is another thing to consider
here cases there's more to a case than
the spec and the look and if Case Labs
believes that their quality is great and
from my experience with them it is then they shouldn't be worried about
competition from thermal take period so there that's my take on it I
have talked about it yeah and you know what oh I've got people saying I think
the issue is that the people they're buying their cases from is the same
manufacturer well yeah that's the PC industry man you think that you think
that every Power so when Corsair yeah
when Corsair releases their 80 plus Platinum power supply and you know
everyone else has an 80 plus Platinum power supply the next week you think
that's not the same thing come on come
on come on you think that when NZXT
releases the Kraken x40 and Corsair has
a a single 140 millimeter all-in-one
liquid cooler that's also an acch design you know a little while later you think
someone didn't make a deal a volume agreement or or a payout for a a a a
limited time exclusive and then all of a sudden the Design's open to everyone
that's how the PC industry Works Reb badges rebrands there's only a few
companies actually building things and they're going to be the ones
that are going to hold all the they're they're going to hold all the cards and
they're going to have the power in the long term there you go so apparently
Josh wasn't on awesome Hardware I don't know where I saw it then I've seen him
talk about it yeah he was talking to somebody on one of the shows I can't
remember um I watch a lot of videos
every week I've got people saying they don't think I get it like I've looked at pictures of the cases I I see the
similarity sure I do and like that's
dumb but like it it's not like it's not
like apple doesn't get all upset when someone makes a phone that's similar to
the iPhone and even they've given up at this point it looks like so somebody was
saying Apple could probably patent the zero five and a half or five and a
quarter inch Bay idea that you had yeah possibly probably you're probably right
they could patent it I'm not sure if it would be upheld though no but they would they would probably patent it probably
anyway apparently it was in Jay's two cents Tech talk oh sorry js2 cents my
bad um okay so uh Google advertises a
Nexus 6 running Windows Phone Microsoft advertises alumia 535 running Android so
the original poster here was rude
uh copy link URL I actually you know
what's funny is I I had some notes in my
uh in my email because I'm always I always forget to open up the doc and
like post the things and uh I just assumed valve uh steam refunds would be
in the dock and then I kind of went oh yeah all the computex stuff there's like
straight up no room I had like 35 topics in the dock and I was like well I have
to cut like half of these not actually but like a significant amount of these
and that was like with me not even just like putting stuff in periodically and
that was without the 3 minute conversation we just had about the thing
so this is cool hey I would love to see a future where you get to choose your
phone hardware and your OS independently
um yeah apparently some marketing agencies thought that the future was now
yeah so you know is this real it doesn't
necessarily look like anything like this is coming anytime soon but
it's also very Illuminati confirmed that both of these mistakes showed up at
around the same time so you know I I
think it'd be super cool I think it also opens up a can of worms in terms of you
know compatibility and drivers and blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
that we've been free from from on phones up until now but uh still still very
cool stuff um well I think I've only really got one more that I really want
to hit the original poster here was Joss and I think we're going to need a straw
pole for you guys here because uh I I
literally found this like five minutes before the show started and I was
laughing my head off and L was like what are you laughing at and I just pointed at my screen he's like okay I think we
have to talk about that yeah so
um I I I know I'm leaving you guys in suspense here but this is this is worth
it Illuminati the chat's all
Illuminati okay so no it needs to be turn up uh I just I just do whatever I
only did that twice in a row like by accident yeah but okay oh I think I know
what you're talking about okay well at any rate here we go
guys the original poster here and I'm
going to post the straw pole now the original the original poster
here is uh J and the original article
here is from Phone Arena here it is it
is a smart wearable called The Sex
Machine that keeps track of sex performance metrics and you wouldn't
believe where it's worn unless you saw this GIF then you'll probably figure out
exactly where it's going to be worn now
I can see a lot of you know potential
you know good that could come of this you know um yeah you know what's what's
good for him is good for her and so on and so forth and and you know said
there's tons of statistical evidence out there that a you know a healthy sex life
and maybe one that we can you know if we can make it healthier is good for a
relationship and all that kind of stuff but I've also got a lot of people
suggesting ways this could be used for evil like um teran's using a great
biking app that actually measures like it shows um you know how you performed
on a particular like a split like split times um as you as you bike around
compared to other people that have been through that particular no through that
particular route um you know ways you could
integrate this into a social through that particular route social social
network features here um you know you could see if you're the best performing
guy on your street you know stuff like that
um oh no so I'm going to fire up the straw pole results here do you want your
sex performance monitored we we've got a no definite
minority here saying yes 24% of them are
okay with having their sex performance monitored and I don't even know if this
is all going into the cloud or whatever I I haven't actually we found this right
before the show it's probably it probably is going into the cloud oh man
I doubt it's stored locally I highly doubt it's stored can you imagine that
okay loading up an Android app uh this app requests permission to access your
camera your contacts your sex performance can you even
imagine oh no yeah we've got more nose coming in
now that we're sort of talking about cloud storage it it would be interesting
to see how um say say someone's wife has
access to this app and she's unhappy in
the relationship and she wants to file for divorce could she use that as
evidence I don't know or like can you imagine like you know all the wives and
girlfriends getting together and comparing comparing notes you know they
would I know they totally would I know
oh man that is like some not cool stuff right there well I guess it depends how
your performance it depends well for me that would be some not cool stuff right
there straight up um I've actually got
one more one more topic that's sort of
just a line it's like it's a Linus Media Group topic it's not actual news but uh
we're working on something that I think is pretty cool I've finally I I I get to
talk to YouTube which is kind of neat yeah for for years I didn't actually
have much interaction with my Google overlords um but we've been um we've
been in touch all of a sudden and they've been like super cool with us and
we are working on something like it's no secret that these this cards feature is
coming along with some very similar functionality to annotations which don't
work on mobile and Now cards are going to work on mobile as well so we've been
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like our subscribe call out and like our
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