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uh Luke is very fond of talking about how whenever I'm not here the show

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starts on time so I would like for you guys to note that he's not here and the

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show almost started on time so clearly

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it's actually uh him amplifying my

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lateness and that's why whenever we're both here the show is

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late yes that is the that is the obvious

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conclusion that we can draw here so as you guys probably noticed already and if

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you didn't then hopefully the part where I pointed out that Luke's not here would

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have drawn you to this conclusion Luke

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is not here he is over in computex and so the first topic of the day is

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actually something that I should probably do after the intro right so

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we've got a great show for you guys today we have all of our computex

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coverage some of the highlights from that we've got AMD unveiling many many

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more details about their upcoming Fiji although it looks like we're going to

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have to wait a little bit for the rest of it NVIDIA launches mobile g-sync

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which by the way I have inh housee

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already and tons and tons of monitors oh

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yeah right the huge news this week valve pulled a 180 on their customer service

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and they're offering well okay whatever I'll tell you guys about it later for

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now let's roll the intro

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oh come on one of these days that's

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going to work and then I will be happy so right now you guys are you know what

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forget it then sponsors today linda.com

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fresh books and uh Dollar Shave Club

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there you go we are just I don't care we're just not going to have an intro I

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give up um you know what uh I've got some people

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saying they thought that Luke would call in he said that last week but quite

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frankly um it's 7 a. over there right now or 7:30 and if you guys noticed some

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skepticism on my part when he was saying that he was going to call in it was

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because I can do time zones and I knew

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that he was like straight up a going to be probably not awake at that time and B

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I knew he was going to be busting his butt over the course of the week getting

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a bunch of great coverage of computex for you guys and therefore or probably

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not in any condition where he would want to or I would even want him to be doing

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an hour and a half live stream because they have absolutely kicked ass over at

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computex in fact we can go and I don't think yeah I don't think there's

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anything here that's like super super top secret but I'm going to post some of

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the links uh and you guys should definitely check this out later if

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you're watching the archive I will link these below the video but uh the Corsair

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Bulldog huge deal over at computex

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Corsair not necessarily because of the

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Corsair Bulldog but because it's going

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mainstream guys like Silverstone have been trying to do the whole yeah we've

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got like a full-size graphics card and a really small form factor or small

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internal volume enclosure for some time n case released the M1 which was this

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super small fullsize graphics card thing well now a mainstream case manufacturer

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and it's kind of funny for me to say that because I still remember when they launched the 800d and the store that I

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worked for was like nervous about bringing in too many because a COR a

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case gee I don't know will it work will it not work yeah it turns out they're a

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mainstream Casemaker now and they are acknowledging the small form factor

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console size case very cool stuff next

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up we've got uh what's the other one oh yeah MSI desktop gpus for their AIO and

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laptop now MSI hasn't complet completely

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redone the whole gs30 Shadow Concept in

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fact what they were showing off was same

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laptop but now they have a sexier enclosure for it so instead of being

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stuck with that ginormous external box that just had a standard ATX power

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supply in it they have something that is a little bit sexier so that's pretty

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cool too ah yes GTX 780 Ti variant so

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always a big hit it's it's funny because it blows me away every single time how

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much you guys love the latest high-end graphics cards our GTX 780 Ti review has

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400,000 views and that went up what a

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week ago that's like scrapyard Wars

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levels of viewership in the first week that's absolutely crazy so Luke actually

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highlighted a couple of aftermarket designed 780 Ti one from ASUS one from

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Gigabyte and did I say 780 I keep doing

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this you know what's really funny 980 TI I know I get out of here 980 TI I know

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um I actually started hearing rumors

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about the gtx980ti um probably around the same

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time you guys started hearing rumors about it and a lot of the time there's a

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lot of Truth to the rumors and so I

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reached out to my NVIDIA contact I was like yo dog can I get a sample of the

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780 Ti and I did it not once but twice

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twice in the first email my subject line was blah blah blah blah blah something

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780 Ti hey blah blah blah something 780 Ti

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and he replied to me he's like um yeah

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sure I can send you a sample but it's like kind of old and I'm just like you

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troll you knew what I meant you knew what I meant you Troll and then when I

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sent a follow-up email I don't even think I got an answer because NVIDIA are

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like the kings of if it ain't out it

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ain't being talked about they are they are pretty good at keeping secrets so uh

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yes 980 TI nonreference 980 TI and then

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one of the other big ones you guys should save these URLs for later if you

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haven't already checked out the videos this is another really big one inwin

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launched like the most boners or

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announced I don't think it's actually available yet announced like the most

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boners case ever uh check this out oh

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yeah I do want to do a huge thanks to our sponsors over at computex that's

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linda.com and MSI look at this thing

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this is the kind of stuff that like

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concept cars are made of like typically you expect a case like this to just be

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like a oneoff that some modder made not

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the case at all this will be an actual

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case that you can actually buy uh here's

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some footage from Brandon of the thing transforming look at that I mean is that

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is that is that not ridiculous electrician training really I guess I

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could be an electrician sure why not that lighting holy crap inwin is one of

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those companies where like 5 years ago as far as I could tell they only made

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Cheapo commodity cases and like bad power supplies and then all of a sudden

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they decided to like okay we're going to do like

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tempered glass side panels on this one we're going to do like this crazy

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transforming thing and they decided to totally shake up the case industry I

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don't know if they're shaking it up necessarily in terms of sales volumes

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because some of those products have been pretty darn expensive but they are

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definitely shaking it up in terms of design which is very cool stuff so let's

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get into the news for this week our first and I'm going to have to be the

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one so this was posted by Z mule and I'll have to be the one who posts these

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links in the forum for you guys unfortunately cuz I don't have my lovely

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assistant this week but um a nonch

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reports that the gtx980ti shows a

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significant difference in pixel fill rates compared to the GTX Titan X and

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what's interesting about this is the fact that their real world performance

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is so similar depending on who you ask so I

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was uh so hold on first we'll go through um so the so in synthetic performance

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tests you'll see a similar performance between the two cards in general but the

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980ti loses two polymorph engines in test Mark due to losing two smm though

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that doesn't really hinder the 980ti in gaming or in in that test overall the

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980ti loses some rasterization throughput from the smm lost but the 15%

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drop is larger than can be accounted for by the two SMS uh which account for

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approximately 10% right now there's 5% that cannot be accounted for at this

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point in testing so the 980 TI is actually a little bit of a mystery right

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now so there's some weird differences in pixel fill rate there's some weird

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differences in test Mark and there's some weird there's some weird stuff that

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I can't really account for in the real world performance as well because I was talking to the NC guys and they had 980

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TI as a clear loser to Titan X where

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whereas actually in the Anon Tech review and in my review I had it pretty damn

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close and I was pretty sure at the time

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of releasing mine that the difference could be accounted for by my 980 TI

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boosting up higher than my GTX Titan X

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but based on some of these synthetic tests over at a nonch we could be

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looking at something a little bit deeper than that and NVIDIA has been doing this

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lately where they really don't want to talk about

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the architecture of the chip a lot um

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they tried to pull that off with GTX 980 and 970 and whether unintentionally or

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intentionally and I'll leave it to whoever wears whichever color of tinf

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foil hat they wear to determine you know what they thought I personally don't

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think NVIDIA intentionally um screwed up

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the specs of the 970 TI what happened was because they didn't give the press a

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lot of information about the architecture that wasn't discovered for

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months and it turned into vran gate with people trading in their GTX 970s and

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demanding full refunds because it didn't have the maximum memory bandwidth for

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the last 500 Megs of that 4 gig frame buffer

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so hopefully we're not looking at anything like that the reality of it is

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it doesn't seem to be affecting 4K gaming performance in any meaningful way

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that's validated by all of my 4K testing on the card

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so it looks like a kickass card hopefully this doesn't uh this is this

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is this is not going to be any kind of an issue um ASUS is showing off a new

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professional grade 4k monitor this was posted by the Gage on the Forum I'm

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going to go ahead and I'm pretty much going to treat the whole show today by

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the way guys like rapid fire because I

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straight up am not going to have I'm not going to be able to hit all these topics

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if I if I don't do that so the source here is pcdiy ASUS.com and this thing

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looks absolutely sick ASUS has really

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stepped up their game in terms of monitors going from just being kind of

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Cheapo uh commodity stuff all the way up

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to some pretty fantastic displays I mean

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the Rog Swift pg278q was undeniably in my mind the

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best gaming monitor on the market when it launched it has since um it's had

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it's got some tough competition right now for me from acers for kg sync IPS as

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well as from benq's xl2730z not because I think the 2730 Z

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is necessarily a better monitor but because it comes in at a significantly

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lower price it has free sync but not g-sync so AMD gamers are going to have

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to choose that anyway if they want variable refresh rate and on top of all

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that stuff uh the BenQ monitor supports additional inputs which right now any

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g-sync monitor is not going to be able to do so this one looks pretty fantastic

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it's 4K of course it's geared towards

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professionals it features 100% at OB RGB color gamut it's got 138 pixels per inch

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which is going to make sense since it's a 32in monitor and supports a 10 pit uh

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supports has a 10bit display with a 16bit lookup table which is important

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because the way that a monitor approximates a color behind the scenes

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so with the more granularity it can do that actually the better it can

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represent it on the panel itself even if the panel can't actually display as many

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colors as the lookup table can understand NVIDIA launches mobile gsync

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the original poster here is good bites and we've got a number of different

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sources here I guess I'll go ahead and fire up the Anon one since uh I I love

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those guys they're good guys over there good old Ryan Smith and Dr cutress

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and uh I'm sure I'm forgetting someone else who's really nice those are the guys that I sort of have actually

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chatted with anyway um what do they what do we have to say about it always

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synchronized variable overdrive actually variable overdrive is kind of important

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I can talk a little bit about that but not not too too much uh SLI support uh

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Window mode support so g-sync is actually getting a fair bit of cool

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stuff Window mode support's a big one a lot of people prefer gaming in uh full

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screen Window mode and that was not supported in G with g-sync up until now

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so they went ahead they launched that along with the 980ti uh variable

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overdrive is something I didn't talk about at all in my 980ti video even

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though it's news that came out around the same time and what it means is okay

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so pixel response times when you talk about gray to gray or black to white or

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you know whatever however however LCD

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manufacturers want to talk about pixel response times is basically the amount

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of time in milliseconds that it takes for an individual pixel on average to go

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from one color to another color whatever spec whatever color shift we're looking

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at so gr to gray would be gray and then back to gray so pixel response times are

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a factor for color reproduction because

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if you have a moving object across the screen and the pixels can't respond fast

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enough you're going to have weird like a weird color ghost behind moving objects

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where there is a high contrast uh line so something like a freelancer was a

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great example of this bit of an older game now but so are most of the games

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that I've logged serious hours in and on my old Dell 24in monitor I really

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noticed that whenever the the wing tips of my spacecraft moved around there was

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a serious um we used to call it Mo we

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called it ghosting and then we decided that wasn't right and then we called it motion blur I think we're back to

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calling it ghosting I don't know whatever there's a trailing uh

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discoloration behind behind wing tips whenever there's a high contrast line

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now variable refresh rate throws a real

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monkey wrench into this because what you can do through a feature called

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overdrive is you can actually push the pixels harder to change faster and

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that's how you're able that's one of the ways that you can reduce pixel response

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time and reduce this motion blur but variable refresh rate so when the when

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the pixels are actually being told to refresh at uneven intervals can cause

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not necessarily A blurry artifact behind a moving object but what it can cause is

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differences in the stage that the pixels

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are at in terms of switching colors depending on how quickly the whole panel

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is refreshing so NVIDIA's basically come

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out with a way to have OverDrive applied

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on the Fly according to how quickly the

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monitor is refreshing and that's uh that's a new g-sync feature but the big

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one the one I'm supposed to be talking about is mobile g-sync and this was

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causing waves right around the same time as vram gate because it was kind of

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revealed through a site that was using a driver that assus had um accidentally

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leaked to them revealed that there was a particular assus laptop I believe it was

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the g751 that could be tricked into running

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gsync but it wasn't quite working PC perspective did a great followup on it

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where they really investigated it found out it wasn't quite working right but

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what this revealed was that g-sync could run without a dedicated g-sync scaler

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chip and in fact in notebooks it was speculated at the time that was how it

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would be run because of power constraints and space constraints on

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notebooks so um so that looks like what

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has finally happened so there you go the

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one that we actually have here in house is not from not from ASUS in fact we

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didn't get it uh we didn't get it sampled by NVIDIA either it's um it's a

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company called Sager or Sager I'm gonna I'll find out before I do my review what

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the correct pronunciation is for it but um they they make laptops and they've

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got they've sent us a one of their one of their models that actually has a

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4790k desktop CPU in it it's got a GTX

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98m and it's got a 75 HZ variable

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refresh rate 1080p IPS display in it that I have played around with a little

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bit now and I got to tell you guys gsync on mobile makes a lot of sense just like

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it makes sense on a desktop to me I love variable refresh rate and uh yeah it's a

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great gaming experience so it uses embedded DisplayPort remember guys that

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um that laptops have already had some

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manner certain ones some manner of variable refresh rate for some time it

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was used as a power saving feature so now it's uh so now it's using embedded

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DisplayPort in order to enable this particular feature there's no power consuming chip required and it's

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actually very similar to how AMD freesync functions on the desktop side

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so those two technologies should perform quite similarly on mobile now something

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that is not clear as of yet is whether

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NVIDIA is going to enable g-sync moduel

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Less g-sync on the desktop and adopt an

00:18:48.640 --> 00:18:55.240
open standard or or do whatever else it is down the road but the sort of the

00:18:53.440 --> 00:19:00.600
word on the street and what NVIDIA has said publicly is that there's more that

00:18:57.760 --> 00:19:05.240
they can do with the g-sync module than what they can do without the g-sync

00:19:02.280 --> 00:19:10.919
module so mobile g-sync is going to be better than no g-sync or no free sync

00:19:08.000 --> 00:19:18.039
but mobile gsync might not necessarily ever be able to be as good as desktop

00:19:13.600 --> 00:19:19.600
g-sync so stay tuned for that let me

00:19:18.039 --> 00:19:23.640
just see if I'm missing anything else apparently Optimus is not available with

00:19:21.880 --> 00:19:31.600
mobile g-sync yet since there's no support from Intel as of yet and I guess

00:19:28.440 --> 00:19:33.520
that's pretty much it um yeah other than

00:19:31.600 --> 00:19:41.559
that it's pretty much the way gsync works so AMD Fiji was somewhat unveiled

00:19:38.039 --> 00:19:43.960
at computex so this was posted by Dr

00:19:41.559 --> 00:19:49.559
deconstruct on the Forum let's go ahead and post this link in here hey look at

00:19:46.440 --> 00:19:51.720
that I can get 4,000 of you to watch

00:19:49.559 --> 00:19:56.039
even if I don't have Luke maybe I should just get rid of him entirely cuz what do

00:19:54.000 --> 00:19:58.960
we what do we get about 6,000 when we do have Luke yeah okay I guess he's still

00:19:57.679 --> 00:20:05.400
pulling his weight around here just kidding I I feel weird I feel weird

00:20:02.640 --> 00:20:09.159
hosting the show without having Luke here accompanying me but I totally

00:20:07.840 --> 00:20:15.440
understand he needs to sleep they've done a great job at the show uh let's go

00:20:11.679 --> 00:20:18.080
ahead and pull this up so this is video

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cards.com but quite frankly there have been so many leaks and so many uh

00:20:22.480 --> 00:20:30.240
there's so much speculation that all kind of points in the same direction that I think anyone's pretty much as

00:20:27.880 --> 00:20:38.480
credible as anyone else when it comes to radon R9 Theory as it is rumored to be

00:20:35.000 --> 00:20:41.360
going to be called so the current sort

00:20:38.480 --> 00:20:49.840
of General consensus among rumors is that radon R9 390x and down are going to

00:20:46.440 --> 00:20:53.159
be rebrands maybe not straight rebrands

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because it was also revealed that amds

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oh and I'm going to screw it up because there's so many code names um I believe

00:20:58.159 --> 00:21:03.960
it was Tonga Tonga

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384bit let's just have a quick look yes so AMD actually this is from

00:21:07.520 --> 00:21:14.440
wccf Tech AMD's Tonga GPU which um again

00:21:12.320 --> 00:21:20.559
this is off memory but I believe our buddy Scott Watson over at tech report

00:21:17.159 --> 00:21:25.120
was pretty damn sure was a

00:21:20.559 --> 00:21:26.679
384bit memory controller uh capable chip

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uh even though the only card it's appeared in is a 256

00:21:29.120 --> 00:21:35.760
memory controller card like memory interface card um it looks like if

00:21:34.360 --> 00:21:42.840
that's who said it and I'm pretty darn sure it was it looks like he was right

00:21:39.760 --> 00:21:45.600
so even though the current rumor is that

00:21:42.840 --> 00:21:51.440
anything 390x and down is basically going to be re Badges of current

00:21:48.440 --> 00:21:53.559
gpus we might get some curve balls

00:21:51.440 --> 00:21:59.440
thrown in there especially if AMD decides to do a fully enabled Tonga so

00:21:57.360 --> 00:22:07.960
the rumor then is that the um Fiji GPU is going to appear in a

00:22:04.600 --> 00:22:09.440
Halo type card much like NVIDIA's Titan

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series and it's going to be called The Fury which if you've been following uh

00:22:12.679 --> 00:22:19.400
formerly ATI but now AMD graphics cards

00:22:16.640 --> 00:22:24.360
for a really long time might be a bit of a familiar name Rage Fury anybody

00:22:23.039 --> 00:22:29.279
remember those so it looks like this might be a bit of a throwback kind of

00:22:26.600 --> 00:22:33.960
name to the old ATI dat but there you go it's pictured here Fiji

00:22:31.919 --> 00:22:37.760
makes a public appearance there's four stacks of high bandwidth memory remember

00:22:36.279 --> 00:22:42.200
guys that's one of the things that makes it super high bandwidth the fact that

00:22:39.840 --> 00:22:47.919
they are able to put it right next to the GPU instead of having it take up a

00:22:44.039 --> 00:22:50.440
bunch of space on a board and uh there

00:22:47.919 --> 00:22:53.640
you go that's it being shown off by AMD so this is on video

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cards.com very cool um current current

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rumors also suggest that Fiji is going to be quite a small graphics card and

00:23:02.679 --> 00:23:08.520
given that you don't need a bunch of room on the PCB it kind of makes sense

00:23:07.240 --> 00:23:15.840
but uh you know what I kind of want to do a straw pull about this straw

00:23:11.840 --> 00:23:19.559
pull do you guys feel like a smaller

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graphics card um does it feel like

00:23:19.559 --> 00:23:26.640
you're getting less for your money does

00:23:22.640 --> 00:23:29.480
a small graphics card make your

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EP feel inadequate because it's not like

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NVIDIA's never done this before I mean the GTX 670 was a a second from the top

00:23:37.720 --> 00:23:45.720
tier card effectively and it had that tiny short PCB and then it had like that

00:23:43.760 --> 00:23:50.760
that penis extension as I called it at the time plastic shroud extension that

00:23:48.520 --> 00:23:59.080
made the card actually bigger that reduced compatibility with uh here let's

00:23:55.000 --> 00:24:02.279
um okay so let's go with come up with a

00:23:59.080 --> 00:24:03.720
nonsense option um so so NVIDIA's

00:24:02.279 --> 00:24:09.279
actually done that before but if you water cool so right so they hurt compatibility with cases in order to

00:24:07.400 --> 00:24:12.720
make it like seem bigger and also to have room for the blower fan but that's

00:24:11.039 --> 00:24:16.960
neither here nor there and guys who water cooled those things ended up with

00:24:15.159 --> 00:24:20.559
like this like badass looking motherboard and like huge RAM with

00:24:19.200 --> 00:24:25.440
lights all over it and then this like ity bitty graphics card and it kind of

00:24:22.919 --> 00:24:29.360
like I almost felt like it was like a way to get you to buy a GTX 680 just to

00:24:27.640 --> 00:24:34.320
get a decent size card so it would look cool in your system so I want to hear

00:24:31.240 --> 00:24:37.200
from you guys does a small graphics card

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make your EP feel inadequate so if you bought a Fiji for you know let's say

00:24:39.640 --> 00:24:47.919
similar price let's say somewhere between GTX 980 TI pricing so you know

00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:52.159
650 bucks and like titanex pricing so $1,000 would you feel like you got

00:24:49.799 --> 00:24:59.480
ripped off if it was small uh we've got 47% of you saying no it's no big deal

00:24:55.399 --> 00:25:03.080
doesn't matter uh we've got 35 5% of you

00:24:59.480 --> 00:25:06.080
though saying that yes a small graphics

00:25:03.080 --> 00:25:08.200
card makes me feel inadequate which is

00:25:06.080 --> 00:25:14.000
which is pretty darn interesting with uh 18% of you voting for

00:25:10.919 --> 00:25:15.399
eyeliner which is great I mean if you

00:25:14.000 --> 00:25:21.440
guys can wear it nearly as well as Johnny Depp then I feel pretty good for

00:25:17.480 --> 00:25:24.520
you all right Microsoft explains what

00:25:21.440 --> 00:25:27.559
you will lose by upgrading to Windows 10

00:25:24.520 --> 00:25:29.039
this was posted by fuzzy crumpkin let's

00:25:27.559 --> 00:25:33.480
go ahead and copy the the link I can't believe we're like almost

00:25:31.480 --> 00:25:38.720
half an hour into the show because I have so many topics today the original

00:25:36.880 --> 00:25:44.120
article here is from The Verge so let's go ahead and pull that bad boy up Go

00:25:41.600 --> 00:25:48.960
internet Microsoft explains what you'll lose because they're offering it and you

00:25:46.799 --> 00:25:53.159
guys have probably seen notifications in fact I'm screen sharing right now there

00:25:51.039 --> 00:26:00.720
you go so the process goes a little something like this get Windows 10

00:25:56.799 --> 00:26:03.240
Reserve okay install

00:26:00.720 --> 00:26:06.559
enjoy blah blah blah blah blah blah blah so here they tell us a bunch of good

00:26:04.440 --> 00:26:09.919
stuff about it and then you go ahead and you I think something here whatever I

00:26:08.559 --> 00:26:14.520
don't know I did it on another computer I don't understand how to do it anymore apparently learn more on Windows.com

00:26:12.600 --> 00:26:18.120
whatever so the point is they're not really talking about some of the things

00:26:16.159 --> 00:26:22.520
that you are going to lose so Windows Media Center is going away so if you're

00:26:21.000 --> 00:26:26.480
one of the seven people on Earth who uses Windows Media Center then you might

00:26:24.760 --> 00:26:30.679
be a little bit disappointed and there is no downgrade that I'm aware of

00:26:28.320 --> 00:26:34.840
Microsoft seems to be confident enough this is not that this is not a Vista and

00:26:32.520 --> 00:26:39.559
people are not going to be clamoring to downgrade and then upgrade later if at

00:26:36.919 --> 00:26:45.080
all um new drivers will be required for

00:26:42.679 --> 00:26:50.080
floppy discs so if you were still using a floppy disc you might want to stick

00:26:46.720 --> 00:26:51.720
with uh Windows 7 or Windows 8 Cortana

00:26:50.080 --> 00:26:56.000
will only be available in the US UK China France Italy Germany and Spain at

00:26:53.799 --> 00:26:59.399
launch so Canada is getting no love although that's not necessarily

00:26:57.159 --> 00:27:05.799
something that upgraders lose since it's not like they had Catana anyway watching

00:27:02.159 --> 00:27:07.039
DVDs will require separate playback

00:27:05.799 --> 00:27:13.720
software so that's something that they've been including for quite some time and looks like will no longer be

00:27:11.840 --> 00:27:20.039
included with that said I don't watch a ton of DVDs on my computer in

00:27:17.159 --> 00:27:23.919
fact most of the computers that I mostly care about these days are portable ones

00:27:22.279 --> 00:27:31.000
and I don't even have DVD drives in them in fact a lot of people are building desktops without DVD drives in them mine

00:27:27.760 --> 00:27:34.720
actually has a DVD drive that plays CDs

00:27:31.000 --> 00:27:37.320
DVDs HD DVDs and Blu-rays so I'm

00:27:34.720 --> 00:27:41.679
equipped for any Optical media but the last time I used it was when I convinced

00:27:39.320 --> 00:27:44.760
myself I was going to play uh Alice madness Returns and then I never got

00:27:43.480 --> 00:27:49.760
around to it and then I eventually pulled it out of the drive because I was sick of it spinning up every time I

00:27:47.360 --> 00:27:54.760
turned on my computer and got annoyed so there you go maybe you use a DVD drive I

00:27:52.320 --> 00:27:59.159
personally don't uh what else we got here uh Windows hello biometric

00:27:57.240 --> 00:28:03.080
passwords we'll need infrared camera for facial recognition or a supported

00:28:00.559 --> 00:28:06.720
fingerprint reader and Xbox music and Xbox video streaming apps will be

00:28:04.720 --> 00:28:11.640
constrained by region-based licenses uh Pro oh this is something

00:28:09.240 --> 00:28:16.039
very interesting Pro and Enterprise editions will be able to defer updat so

00:28:14.519 --> 00:28:21.080
that is to say they'll be able to say yeah no I'm I'm not ready yet I'll take

00:28:17.640 --> 00:28:23.559
an update later Windows 10 the normal

00:28:21.080 --> 00:28:28.159
one for like normal people home people will not have that option updates will

00:28:26.679 --> 00:28:34.960
be downloaded and installed automatically once they are available

00:28:30.320 --> 00:28:37.360
now a big part of me is upset about that

00:28:34.960 --> 00:28:42.200
because from a productivity standpoint that can be super duper annoying and a

00:28:39.760 --> 00:28:46.600
big part of me is upset about that because I don't like someone telling me

00:28:44.320 --> 00:28:52.600
how to use my computer but a big part of me kind of goes H you know what they're

00:28:48.679 --> 00:28:54.240
right because how often is it if you

00:28:52.600 --> 00:28:58.279
guys are you know what let's straw pull the crap out of this too because this is

00:28:55.640 --> 00:29:02.720
kind of a big deal how often is it and I want to hear from the guys who do like

00:29:00.640 --> 00:29:10.640
on the side or professional Tech work for like family or friends or in a store

00:29:06.600 --> 00:29:10.640
um so Windows

00:29:11.320 --> 00:29:17.399
updates mandatory yay or

00:29:17.600 --> 00:29:22.919
nay yay nay

00:29:24.360 --> 00:29:29.760
um how many of you guys have a machine

00:29:27.360 --> 00:29:33.039
brought into your shop or given to you that's like oh it's really slow and it's

00:29:31.840 --> 00:29:38.399
got lots of viruses and you kind of sit there and go

00:29:35.679 --> 00:29:43.559
well GE maybe if you'd allowed your computer to install an update once in

00:29:40.679 --> 00:29:50.440
the last I don't know 4 years you wouldn't be having this problem because

00:29:46.120 --> 00:29:53.640
it's not necessarily about you it's

00:29:50.440 --> 00:29:56.240
about most of the users out there and if

00:29:53.640 --> 00:30:04.120
Windows updates being rolled out more quickly means that it's less easy for

00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:06.480
malware to propagate and for what for

00:30:04.120 --> 00:30:11.279
computers to be compromised is that not good for us all as a whole I understand

00:30:09.120 --> 00:30:16.640
that bandwidth constraints are a big problem for some people and I get that

00:30:14.600 --> 00:30:22.840
but yeah geez I don't know looks like you guys are pretty divided on this as

00:30:18.240 --> 00:30:25.159
well with 47% of you 48% figuring yay

00:30:22.840 --> 00:30:30.279
you know let's make the mandatory 39% of you saying nay and 13% of you all

00:30:28.080 --> 00:30:35.159
agreeing with each other that surfing is cool

00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:37.720
so I wish that I could kind of go on a

00:30:35.159 --> 00:30:42.320
tie raade now and say this is the right thing this is the answer and they've got

00:30:39.760 --> 00:30:47.000
it wrong or they've got it right but I don't I don't have a clear answer uh one

00:30:44.640 --> 00:30:52.039
thing that I do know is that you know as a Professional

00:30:49.279 --> 00:30:56.480
Organization like here at at work you know as a pro

00:30:53.960 --> 00:31:00.559
user I might pay a little extra for a pro license to not have to you know just

00:30:58.519 --> 00:31:07.279
have our computers randomly install updates and shut down or whatever the

00:31:02.200 --> 00:31:09.120
case may be so gee man I don't know ssds

00:31:07.279 --> 00:31:13.679
continue to get cheaper uh this was posted by on the Forum by E chondo let

00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:20.679
me go ahead and post the link here

00:31:15.799 --> 00:31:23.840
SanDisk has a two terabyte SSD for

00:31:20.679 --> 00:31:25.279
$1,000 now 2 terab ssds are not

00:31:23.840 --> 00:31:31.840
necessarily the newest thing in the world in fact we were talking on Wow

00:31:27.679 --> 00:31:36.360
about about a 6 terb SSD not that long

00:31:31.840 --> 00:31:40.000
ago 2 terab for $11,000 means

00:31:36.360 --> 00:31:42.200
50s per gig and I remember everyone

00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:46.200
wanted that $1 per gig Mark that was what everyone wanted and then it

00:31:44.000 --> 00:31:52.360
happened and then ssds exploded and went mainstream um the fact that we're seeing

00:31:48.840 --> 00:31:55.760
this now if I'm a hard drive maker boy

00:31:52.360 --> 00:31:58.679
am I afraid because Mo's law dictates

00:31:55.760 --> 00:32:02.679
that this is going to be half the price in I believe it's uh I believe it's a

00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:08.519
year so every what is it every year we double the transistor density orah so

00:32:06.440 --> 00:32:14.760
this should be half the price in a year maybe even cheaper once SanDisk has a

00:32:10.919 --> 00:32:16.679
little bit of competition here that is

00:32:14.760 --> 00:32:20.240
incredible because it's not that everyone needs a two terab boot Drive in

00:32:18.799 --> 00:32:24.519
fact I don't think everyone needs a two terab boot drive and I think that the

00:32:22.559 --> 00:32:29.399
amount of storage that people need as a boot Drive is going to it's going to

00:32:26.480 --> 00:32:33.200
intersect with the speed at which ssds are increasing in capacity so it's going

00:32:31.159 --> 00:32:36.320
to happen even sooner ssds aren't going to have to catch up to hard drives so

00:32:35.200 --> 00:32:40.880
people are going to need their bulk storage they're going to have a Nas or they're going to have a DropBox account

00:32:39.480 --> 00:32:47.240
that they pay way too much for whatever else the case may be they're going to have their bulk magnetic storage and

00:32:44.039 --> 00:32:52.000
then they're only going to need I think

00:32:47.240 --> 00:32:54.200
512 gigs is lots and one tbte is as much

00:32:52.000 --> 00:33:01.159
as we'll ever need and don't quote me on that I know but one tbte was kind of a

00:32:58.279 --> 00:33:04.840
magic point for hard drives when people that was like the time when people

00:33:02.799 --> 00:33:09.399
stopped caring about new hard drives one tab was a super magic time for hard

00:33:06.799 --> 00:33:14.200
drives I think affordable one tbte drives is going to be a super magic time

00:33:11.559 --> 00:33:18.679
for ssds as well because that's enough to have a handful of games installed

00:33:16.720 --> 00:33:21.799
even if you're a gamer and if you're going to start streaming games over the

00:33:20.320 --> 00:33:28.200
Internet especially for the ones where twitch responsiveness is not that important that storage space locally

00:33:25.320 --> 00:33:30.840
could become even less relevant um it's enough to have a lot of games installed

00:33:29.480 --> 00:33:34.679
it's enough to have a fair chunk of movies you can always have an external

00:33:32.960 --> 00:33:43.320
drive for some additional movies or other media wow super scary so it's the

00:33:39.760 --> 00:33:45.559
extreme 900 portable SSD it has a 1.92

00:33:43.320 --> 00:33:51.000
tbte formatted size there will also be 480 and 960 gig versions and has a

00:33:48.720 --> 00:33:55.000
maximum performance rating of 850 megabytes per second doesn't specify

00:33:52.799 --> 00:34:00.799
reads or rights it's equipped with a USB 3.1 interface and they'll have a

00:33:57.159 --> 00:34:02.320
threeyear warranty on these new drives

00:34:00.799 --> 00:34:05.679
so stay tuned guys cuz anything that shows up in an external drive is going

00:34:03.919 --> 00:34:10.159
to be in an internal drive and as performance continues to scale ssds are

00:34:08.399 --> 00:34:13.079
going to just keep make more and more and more sense all the time and you know

00:34:11.879 --> 00:34:18.240
what's funny is because back when ssds were still

00:34:15.800 --> 00:34:23.520
gaining traction there would be every SSD video I did was just full of

00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:27.720
comments about how nobody needs an SSD and it doesn't matter and don't you have

00:34:24.760 --> 00:34:33.000
2 seconds to wait and now people are f finally mostly clued in to the fact that

00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:39.520
it's way more than 2 seconds and yes it's worth it the tradeoff is worth it

00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:40.760
it's huge it could be 30 seconds when

00:34:39.520 --> 00:34:46.560
you're launching an application depending on what else you've got going on on your computer at a time and that

00:34:44.679 --> 00:34:52.399
could be 30 seconds now and then 30 seconds a minute from now it's a big

00:34:48.760 --> 00:34:55.359
deal um yeah I'm a huge SSD Advocate as

00:34:52.399 --> 00:35:03.280
you guys probably know at this point um there's a USB drive with USB type A and

00:34:59.160 --> 00:35:05.680
type c although the uh I actually hadn't

00:35:03.280 --> 00:35:12.000
looked at the article for this one yet because I assumed that I knew what we

00:35:07.800 --> 00:35:13.200
were talking about here we go I assumed

00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:19.119
I knew what we were talking about and I thought it was something from another company but apparently uh this is

00:35:16.160 --> 00:35:25.119
SanDisk showing off one at computex this is the way that USB type-c is going to

00:35:21.440 --> 00:35:27.720
go mainstream having it also on drives

00:35:25.119 --> 00:35:32.560
that feature USB type A so you have that compatibility with something like a

00:35:29.040 --> 00:35:35.040
Macbook as well as with the whatever

00:35:32.560 --> 00:35:38.839
other computer you own that obviously doesn't have a typc connector since you

00:35:36.800 --> 00:35:43.480
probably don't own both a Chromebook Pixel latest gen and a Macbook uh so a

00:35:41.760 --> 00:35:48.320
way to actually get data onto it in order to put onto your MacBook um this

00:35:46.440 --> 00:35:53.119
is going to be really common I think until USB type-c just get goes

00:35:50.560 --> 00:35:57.200
completely ubiquitous and all the other connectors pretty much go away but one

00:35:55.280 --> 00:36:01.319
of the things that I'm happy to see is not every everyone is diving head first

00:35:58.839 --> 00:36:06.599
into just USB type-c devices no that seems to be mostly Apple that wants to

00:36:03.800 --> 00:36:12.240
do that because as much as type- C has been vetted in you know a laboratory

00:36:09.160 --> 00:36:14.280
somewhere it has not been field tested

00:36:12.240 --> 00:36:17.640
yet and before I have a bunch of motherboards and laptops that only have

00:36:16.079 --> 00:36:22.680
type-c connectors on them I would love to have a little bit of experience

00:36:19.839 --> 00:36:22.680
actually using the

00:36:23.040 --> 00:36:29.359
thing all right so Intel has been

00:36:26.560 --> 00:36:33.119
showing off Broadwell uh this was posted by

00:36:30.319 --> 00:36:38.800
zle let's go ahead and copy the link here uh so Broadwell for desktops we've

00:36:35.839 --> 00:36:43.640
already seen Broadwell in the corm so we've got Broadwell for mobile devices

00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:49.640
already but of course Broadwell for desktops is kind of a big deal or is it

00:36:47.720 --> 00:36:54.280
so Tom's Hardware has got their review up of the

00:36:51.280 --> 00:36:56.839
5775c and the

00:36:54.280 --> 00:37:02.520
5675c and basically what it comes down to is it

00:36:59.040 --> 00:37:06.319
Toms can you not please uh basically

00:37:02.520 --> 00:37:11.119
what it comes down to is yep performance

00:37:06.319 --> 00:37:15.079
has not really changed a lot in terms of

00:37:11.119 --> 00:37:16.440
um you know gaming with the discreet GPU

00:37:15.079 --> 00:37:23.280
I sure wish this would work a little better for me here but the onboard

00:37:20.119 --> 00:37:26.880
Graphics looks like it has pretty much

00:37:23.280 --> 00:37:29.839
killed any possibility of oh for crying

00:37:26.880 --> 00:37:36.200
out loud any possibility of discreet grade low-end graphics cards existing

00:37:34.200 --> 00:37:39.839
pretty well ever again so I'm going to make sure I'm on the right dang page

00:37:38.160 --> 00:37:43.839
here there we go so let's have a look at these performance numbers from Toms good

00:37:42.160 --> 00:37:49.040
guys over there as well actually same ownership as uh as an onch these days

00:37:46.720 --> 00:37:55.640
look at that so that's BioShock Infinite at 1080p low settings mind you know

00:37:52.240 --> 00:37:59.440
antialiasing running at 86 frames per

00:37:55.640 --> 00:37:59.440
second average

00:37:59.520 --> 00:38:08.839
on the core i5 that's incredible I mean AMD was King

00:38:06.119 --> 00:38:15.400
of the integrated Graphics ever since they launched the Apu concept but Intel

00:38:12.640 --> 00:38:19.560
quietly slowly but surely has been improving the integrated graphics on

00:38:17.359 --> 00:38:26.160
their mainstream chips as well to the point where now holy cow if I'm AMD I am

00:38:23.800 --> 00:38:30.920
a little bit scared because people have always people ask me what CPU to buy all

00:38:28.359 --> 00:38:35.599
the time and if they're using integrated graphics for some light gaming or it's

00:38:32.920 --> 00:38:39.760
like a computer at Grandma's house and the grandkids come over once in a while

00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:42.359
maybe they you know bring a game and they're staying over for the weekend and

00:38:41.119 --> 00:38:46.319
they don't want it to just completely not run at all I'd say get an

00:38:46.400 --> 00:38:55.319
APU wow if they don't have that going for them anymore that is that is deeply

00:38:52.520 --> 00:39:01.160
worrying if you are if you're into AMD continuing to make sense on the lowend

00:38:58.359 --> 00:39:04.720
onboard Graphics scene now I can't find it in the Tom's article right now but

00:39:03.079 --> 00:39:11.359
there's actually some pretty good die shots out there of Broadwell and how

00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:14.160
like literally half half of the die is

00:39:11.359 --> 00:39:19.280
not CPU which should make sense given that we know that Intel can cram you

00:39:17.200 --> 00:39:22.599
know eight cores in an Enthusiast grade CPU these days so the fact that they're

00:39:20.920 --> 00:39:25.599
only putting four on the mainstream ones means they probably had a lot of room

00:39:24.119 --> 00:39:31.240
left over here's a scary thought too oh wow

00:39:29.000 --> 00:39:37.040
imagine this for a moment if Intel actually did like a dedicated chip for

00:39:34.560 --> 00:39:42.160
gamers where they it had no onboard Graphics but it actually SL cuz AMD's

00:39:39.240 --> 00:39:49.800
done this before on the fm2 platform I believe or fm2 plus they did non apus

00:39:46.000 --> 00:39:51.720
they did just CPUs imagine if Intel did

00:39:49.800 --> 00:39:56.599
that where they took something like a Broadwell or the upcoming Skylake and

00:39:54.599 --> 00:40:00.079
they just chopped off the GPU and did a pure gaming

00:39:57.920 --> 00:40:06.599
it would cost them half as okay obviously plus R&D but the actual

00:40:02.720 --> 00:40:09.760
material cost would be half what the one

00:40:06.599 --> 00:40:11.720
with the GPU built into it would be how

00:40:09.760 --> 00:40:16.119
scary is that if Intel could deliver 4790k performance to anyone who's

00:40:13.880 --> 00:40:20.359
planning to put a graphics card in for half the price for

00:40:18.240 --> 00:40:24.960
$149.99 I don't even know what AMD would sell at that point but I don't think

00:40:21.720 --> 00:40:27.920
Intel's really that into putting AMD out

00:40:24.960 --> 00:40:32.280
of business anyway so I guess it yeah doesn't it's really a non-issue um

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at what our next topic is oh this is a really crappy one but is actually

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related to something that we've been talking about a fair bit on the show lately I was posted by exia on the Forum

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I'm going to go ahead and post this in twitch but the headline here is actually

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kind of heartbreaking it's uh it's an article from mn.com um dis you terminated your job uh

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by the way can you please um train your

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replacement so last take after layoff at

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Disney train forign replacement so yeah pretty much employees uh some of which

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have worked at Disney for 10 years um

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and there's there's a really heartbreaking story about one guy that

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actually had a performance review from his direct supervisor after he' been

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told by that person's boss that he was being terminated and had to train his

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cheaper import replacement that said that he was being recommended for a

00:46:01.400 --> 00:46:09.920
raise and that he had uh saved the company a ton of money and it was like a

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really positive performance review um

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so anyway Data Systems employees they

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monitored the computers in industrial buildings nearby making sure millions of

00:46:16.119 --> 00:46:21.240
ticket sales store purchases and hotel reservations went through without a

00:46:19.520 --> 00:46:24.520
hitch uh some of them thought the meetings with their manager had been

00:46:22.960 --> 00:46:28.839
called since they were receiving a bonus for their Stellar work in actuality 250

00:46:27.520 --> 00:46:35.400
employees were called in and told they would be laid off the jobs were transferred to uh people on temporary

00:46:33.040 --> 00:46:41.319
visas for highly skilled technical work uh brought in by an Outsourcing firm the

00:46:38.160 --> 00:46:43.480
jobs were so over the next 3 months some

00:46:41.319 --> 00:46:46.839
employees were required to train their Replacements to do the job that they

00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:49.880
lost so for the first month their replacement Shadows them for the second

00:46:48.400 --> 00:46:53.000
month they do it side by side and for the third month they basically don't do

00:46:51.640 --> 00:46:59.119
anything and just kind of watch their job being done by their new person so if

00:46:56.040 --> 00:47:00.720
they remained for the 90 days to train

00:46:59.119 --> 00:47:06.640
their replacement they were offered a stay bonus of 10% of the severance pay

00:47:03.559 --> 00:47:06.640
on top of their severance

00:47:08.359 --> 00:47:13.480
pay yeah so this is this is this there

00:47:12.280 --> 00:47:20.520
there's like there so there's a couple things happening number one is outsourcing is still very much real and

00:47:16.960 --> 00:47:22.880
number two is the crazy thing about this

00:47:20.520 --> 00:47:27.960
is it's nothing compared to when Disney automates that job who knows how long

00:47:26.200 --> 00:47:33.440
from now I mean talked about the McDonald's restaurant that is opening

00:47:30.119 --> 00:47:34.920
with no employees whatsoever on wo a

00:47:33.440 --> 00:47:39.040
while ago I shouldn't say whatsoever they have a skeleton crew to oversee the

00:47:37.400 --> 00:47:42.880
machines but everything from taking orders to Making burgers to delivering

00:47:40.800 --> 00:47:48.520
the burger to the customer is going to be handled by robots and what that is

00:47:46.920 --> 00:47:52.960
going to mean because you know I got to look at something like that as you know

00:47:51.319 --> 00:47:57.400
like is McDonald's just shooting themselves in the foot I mean who eats

00:47:54.960 --> 00:48:00.119
at McDonald's if not like and no no offense if you eat at

00:47:58.680 --> 00:48:04.839
McDonald's I eat at McDonald's from time to time too like it's not like but I

00:48:01.839 --> 00:48:09.200
mean who relies on McDonald's if not

00:48:04.839 --> 00:48:11.800
your lower income people so and like I I

00:48:09.200 --> 00:48:16.960
actually my my badminton doubles partner was a longtime McDonald's employee he

00:48:14.359 --> 00:48:20.559
ate like almost every meal at McDonald's so you're going to go you're so you're

00:48:18.920 --> 00:48:25.200
McDonald's and you're going to basically not just take away jobs and income from

00:48:22.720 --> 00:48:29.920
but you're going to piss off all these lower income people who presumably have

00:48:27.079 --> 00:48:32.280
families and friends who you know maybe there's a couple lower income people

00:48:31.319 --> 00:48:38.160
there as well you're going to go and piss off all these people for the sake of saving a couple bucks who's going to

00:48:35.720 --> 00:48:43.160
eat at your restaurant anymore and maybe I'm wrong maybe I'm completely wrong and

00:48:41.000 --> 00:48:48.599
maybe McDonald's is business is going to completely take off because the robots

00:48:45.559 --> 00:48:51.440
are faster uh more sanitary they make

00:48:48.599 --> 00:48:57.559
fewer errors um I I don't I don't know I don't know it just

00:48:54.079 --> 00:48:59.520
um I don't see myself ever doing

00:48:57.559 --> 00:49:04.520
I also am not in a position where I'm running you know a huge multi-billion

00:49:02.000 --> 00:49:08.880
dollar multinational corporation where every penny I save literally results in

00:49:07.200 --> 00:49:16.440
you know tens or hundreds of millions of dollars but I I like having a team of

00:49:14.240 --> 00:49:21.760
people that's you know paid a living wage and is and is happy with the work

00:49:19.359 --> 00:49:27.119
that they're doing and I just uh I don't know it just it grosses me out to see to

00:49:24.079 --> 00:49:31.440
see stuff like this

00:49:27.119 --> 00:49:34.280
um speaking of oh man so fully automated

00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:41.480
this was posted by boozo on the Forum and ASUS has rolled out the first fully

00:49:38.559 --> 00:49:46.559
automated graphics card production line and this fascinates me from a

00:49:43.720 --> 00:49:51.680
technological standpoint but ties very well into this last topic and uh we've

00:49:49.680 --> 00:49:55.920
got the original article here one of them from Tom's Hardware I've actually

00:49:53.839 --> 00:49:59.960
asked isus to give me a lot more details on this and I would I would actually

00:49:58.000 --> 00:50:04.400
love to get my hands on one of the graphics cards made with it because I

00:50:02.079 --> 00:50:09.200
don't know if you guys know this but graphics cards up till now still had

00:50:06.799 --> 00:50:13.960
some hand soldering and I believe some of the QA was actually done by hand so

00:50:12.280 --> 00:50:19.119
their new production method is an industry first and should deliver more

00:50:16.559 --> 00:50:24.440
reliable higher quality graphics cards than before by completely taking out the

00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:27.440
human element so I hopefully this is going to go ahead and load a larger

00:50:25.720 --> 00:50:36.280
image at some point here dity doop there you go look how

00:50:30.599 --> 00:50:40.280
beautiful that PCB is so the the like

00:50:36.280 --> 00:50:45.240
the geeky Tech in me goes holy cow that

00:50:40.280 --> 00:50:47.920
is sex sfic I mean it is so clean

00:50:45.240 --> 00:50:47.920
everything is

00:50:49.520 --> 00:50:57.160
perfect but ASUS isn't going to give you a discount on it I'm sure and I mean as

00:50:55.760 --> 00:51:01.240
much as you know some some people might go well you know soldering components on

00:50:59.520 --> 00:51:06.319
graphics cards at the last stage of production is a crappy job it was a job

00:51:03.599 --> 00:51:10.799
for someone um and they do not have it anymore so uh what's I mean but this is

00:51:09.400 --> 00:51:15.520
like so again we're my my inner geek kind of goes holy

00:51:13.480 --> 00:51:21.599
crap that's awesome because one of the things that you can achieve here is less

00:51:18.400 --> 00:51:23.319
oxidation on the graphics card because

00:51:21.599 --> 00:51:27.079
you can actually produce them in an environment without oxygen

00:51:27.359 --> 00:51:32.880
so what so my graphics card could last for 20

00:51:30.720 --> 00:51:38.359
years that seems like a pretty good thing I don't know man um so there's

00:51:36.880 --> 00:51:43.760
some speculation that this could lead to longer warranties uh better reliability

00:51:41.400 --> 00:51:49.119
like all this cool stuff uh the so the first card produced uh using Auto

00:51:46.599 --> 00:51:55.319
extreme was the 20th anniversary edition card so I've actually asked to for a

00:51:51.319 --> 00:51:58.520
sample so we can check this out in

00:51:55.319 --> 00:51:58.520
person um

00:52:00.440 --> 00:52:10.040
so there's a really good thread on the Forum this was posted by Mech 77 I'm

00:52:04.960 --> 00:52:10.040
going to go ahead and post this here

00:52:11.119 --> 00:52:17.160
um all right let me just sorry I I'm a

00:52:15.480 --> 00:52:21.599
little slower paced than usual I'm trying to keep up here without my uh

00:52:19.640 --> 00:52:27.640
without my lovely co-host but uh basically there's a YouTube video to

00:52:23.480 --> 00:52:29.440
watch about direct x2's multi GPU

00:52:27.640 --> 00:52:33.240
rendering so there's a demo here from oxide

00:52:30.839 --> 00:52:36.960
games um and you guys should definitely check that out I'll post that link in

00:52:34.839 --> 00:52:41.640
the in the thread that goes up after wow but so currently the way that multi gpus

00:52:39.599 --> 00:52:45.760
are combined is that each GPU and a in a dual card config takes turn rendering

00:52:44.040 --> 00:52:50.880
takes turns rendering each frame and back in the early days of multi-GPU uh

00:52:47.799 --> 00:52:53.400
Crossfire and SLI it was actually done a

00:52:50.880 --> 00:52:56.599
little bit differently so you could have alternate frame rendering and that was

00:52:54.960 --> 00:53:00.359
usually what would work best but some times you could do tiled stuff and there

00:52:58.119 --> 00:53:04.040
there were actually other modes um but the way that that works is both gpus

00:53:02.200 --> 00:53:10.040
have to be nearly identical run at the same clock speed and have the same data

00:53:06.720 --> 00:53:12.319
in their video memory in uh resulting in

00:53:10.040 --> 00:53:16.760
redundancies and limitations in terms of which cards can be used and how the

00:53:14.160 --> 00:53:21.599
resources can be used so something that's a huge confusion point and that

00:53:19.200 --> 00:53:27.000
NVIDIA and AMD frankly don't help people with is that if you buy a card like a

00:53:23.920 --> 00:53:31.400
GTX 690 okay which is

00:53:27.000 --> 00:53:34.359
pretty much two 670 680 sort of cards um

00:53:31.400 --> 00:53:37.720
it'll it'll call itself what oh crap 69 new what was that a six gig

00:53:38.040 --> 00:53:44.119
card or was it a 4 gig card whatever I don't care um I think it was a 4 gig

00:53:42.359 --> 00:53:49.520
card so it'll call itself a 4 gig card because there's technically 4 gabt of

00:53:46.240 --> 00:53:51.520
GPU memory on board but actually usably

00:53:49.520 --> 00:53:57.319
there's only two gigs because it has to have two copies um it has to have two

00:53:54.640 --> 00:54:05.359
copies of the data in memory and so yes that was a 4 gig card um so now each GPU

00:54:03.480 --> 00:54:09.839
can render only a specific part of the frame and video memory can be stacked as

00:54:08.400 --> 00:54:14.280
each card is actually working on a separate aspect of the frame so it's up

00:54:11.599 --> 00:54:19.680
to the developer to implement this which means pretty much and the video actually

00:54:17.079 --> 00:54:24.920
shows an integrated GPU being used in conjunction with a dedicated GPU so here

00:54:22.400 --> 00:54:31.280
we go so which means that in my mind we're pretty much not going to see this

00:54:27.000 --> 00:54:33.040
implemented very well if at all but it's

00:54:31.280 --> 00:54:37.960
a very cool piece of technology for the future I'm just trying to find bloody

00:54:35.760 --> 00:54:40.319
hell well whatever um you can check out this video and I'll definitely link it

00:54:39.280 --> 00:54:45.160
if you want to get a little bit more detail in terms of how it works uh very

00:54:42.839 --> 00:54:49.559
cool Tech not sure if it'll have any practical use just because if you guys

00:54:46.839 --> 00:54:53.640
already look at how broken established stuff like SLI that's been around for

00:54:51.280 --> 00:54:58.319
years that NVIDIA is actively working on you look at how well that's working in

00:54:55.799 --> 00:55:02.480
some Modern games and you kind of go oh crap cuz quite frankly is NVIDIA going

00:55:01.040 --> 00:55:07.319
to have any incentive to help a game developer implement this no is AMD going

00:55:05.599 --> 00:55:11.920
to want to do it maybe but hard to

00:55:10.280 --> 00:55:17.559
say um this I actually talked about a little

00:55:15.160 --> 00:55:23.799
bit here we go this I actually talked about a little

00:55:20.160 --> 00:55:26.599
bit in my 980 TI video but

00:55:23.799 --> 00:55:30.559
um this could be a big problem this is this is definitely this is from tech

00:55:28.079 --> 00:55:35.440
power up here and was originally posted let me just grab that op here uh was

00:55:33.240 --> 00:55:40.359
originally posted on the Forum by big stuns this could be a big problem for

00:55:38.559 --> 00:55:45.559
AMD over the next little bit here I don't know if you guys are going to

00:55:42.119 --> 00:55:47.640
remember this but um I'm not even sure

00:55:45.559 --> 00:55:54.680
if I remember this correctly I'm trying to remember who had the direct X1

00:55:50.680 --> 00:55:58.480
Advantage I want to say AMD uh first

00:55:54.680 --> 00:56:03.160
DirectX 11 card I want to say it was

00:55:58.480 --> 00:56:07.240
6000 series I really don't

00:56:03.160 --> 00:56:11.000
remember I suck well whatever the point

00:56:07.240 --> 00:56:13.319
is um having an advantage in terms of

00:56:11.000 --> 00:56:17.480
what level of direct de is supported by your cards maybe AMD was doing 11.1

00:56:15.880 --> 00:56:22.599
first or something like that someone's going to correct me thank you in advance

00:56:19.680 --> 00:56:29.559
um having an advantage in terms of your direct X support level can be a huge

00:56:26.839 --> 00:56:34.160
selling point for gamers and whether it actually translates into something

00:56:31.760 --> 00:56:36.720
meaningful for the person who owns that card that's like the first one to

00:56:35.559 --> 00:56:41.000
support directx9 um is highly debatable I mean I

00:56:39.400 --> 00:56:48.079
know AMD had an advantage back in the DirectX 9 days um when it was the 9000

00:56:44.720 --> 00:56:50.520
series versus the FX series um but that

00:56:48.079 --> 00:56:55.000
was a whole other issue because uh not only were the FX 5800 series like not

00:56:53.039 --> 00:56:59.119
even properly direct X they were just kind of sucked in general so ATI was

00:56:57.680 --> 00:57:04.039
selling a lot more cards at the time just on the sheer Merit of their performance in direct X8 games at the

00:57:02.400 --> 00:57:07.960
time and that's that's that's a big issue is like whether there's a real

00:57:05.720 --> 00:57:15.039
advantage to owning that first DirectX 12.1 card is yet to be seen because

00:57:11.599 --> 00:57:18.119
DirectX 12.1 capable games might show up

00:57:15.039 --> 00:57:19.760
and a GTX 980 could look like a joke

00:57:18.119 --> 00:57:24.599
even running it with those features on and actually we need you know 10,000 80s

00:57:23.359 --> 00:57:29.920
in order to really get the most out of it anyway but

00:57:26.720 --> 00:57:33.119
that will sell Gamers on games and

00:57:29.920 --> 00:57:35.240
DirectX 12 is looking like yes we'll

00:57:33.119 --> 00:57:40.160
have support on pretty much any DirectX 10 card or newer but that doesn't mean

00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:45.599
we have all the support so you're going to have the lowlevel uh access for game

00:57:43.559 --> 00:57:49.000
developers to get more out of the hardware that's great you're going to

00:57:47.039 --> 00:57:54.119
have that low CPU overhead on on pretty much the entire backlog there but what

00:57:51.079 --> 00:57:56.359
you won't have is some pretty cool new

00:57:54.119 --> 00:58:00.200
rendering features so one of them is volume tiled resources so this is an

00:57:58.240 --> 00:58:05.680
evolution of tiled resources so that is basically reusing resources rather than

00:58:03.720 --> 00:58:09.720
restoring them or rendering them all the time so this is volume tiled resources

00:58:08.640 --> 00:58:16.200
are you jumping in because you want to talk directex 12.1 or just in

00:58:12.880 --> 00:58:20.839
general hi are you guys doing something

00:58:16.200 --> 00:58:22.240
to me yeah oh no okay oh that was Ed he

00:58:20.839 --> 00:58:29.039
said hi thanks Ed um so volume tiled resources and and

00:58:27.079 --> 00:58:33.359
this loads the entire texture to memory not only just along X and Y axis but

00:58:31.240 --> 00:58:37.079
also a third dimension so this is like a performance Improvement so while it's a

00:58:35.319 --> 00:58:41.119
rendering technique it could be something that just straight up improves

00:58:38.680 --> 00:58:44.400
performance conservative rasterization so that is an a means of drawing

00:58:42.799 --> 00:58:48.440
polygons with additional pixels that makes it easier for two polygons to

00:58:46.599 --> 00:58:53.480
interact with each other like you know how like the characters you know

00:58:50.880 --> 00:58:57.200
shoulder armor will just like dip into their shoulder from time to time this

00:58:55.599 --> 00:59:01.200
could help with stuff like that and raster ordered views which is a means to

00:58:59.520 --> 00:59:05.920
optimize raster loads in the order in which they appear in an object so

00:59:03.119 --> 00:59:09.839
practical applications include improved Shadows so these are only going to be

00:59:08.039 --> 00:59:13.559
supported are you joining me or yeah yeah sure come on in we've got Nick

00:59:11.319 --> 00:59:19.200
joining us so these are only features that are going to work on cards that

00:59:16.599 --> 00:59:26.119
support DirectX 12core like feature level one so that is Maxwell not 780 not

00:59:23.640 --> 00:59:33.720
750 Ti is my understanding so second gen Maxwell uh 960 970 980 and Titan X and

00:59:29.960 --> 00:59:36.720
980 TI and then AMD's Tonga and then

00:59:33.720 --> 00:59:38.559
presumably Fiji which is a card that's

00:59:36.720 --> 00:59:42.799
going to be inaccessible to most people thanks to its price anyway cuz what we

00:59:41.319 --> 00:59:48.760
don't know is how much it costs but what we do know is that it's not cheap right

00:59:45.160 --> 00:59:50.599
so um what do you got do you want to

00:59:48.760 --> 00:59:54.200
talk uh do you want to talk 65 core smartphone yeah yeah let's talk about

00:59:52.559 --> 01:00:02.440
the 65 core smartphone I thought this was pretty funny um so Intel created a

00:59:58.880 --> 01:00:05.799
mock 65 core smartphone where uh one of

01:00:02.440 --> 01:00:07.280
their principal Engineers franois ped

01:00:05.799 --> 01:00:13.480
Noel you're actually it's a little bit off frame here I'll move over there we

01:00:09.280 --> 01:00:14.799
go that's franois ped Noel uh he made

01:00:13.480 --> 01:00:18.760
remarks during an Intel benchmarking session at computex on Thursday that

01:00:16.760 --> 01:00:23.640
this is the world's first 65 core smartphone he said more than a server uh

01:00:21.680 --> 01:00:31.119
but what it really was was the what was it four core uh Zen phone is it yeah and

01:00:27.960 --> 01:00:35.039
then a 61 core xon that he essentially

01:00:31.119 --> 01:00:36.760
just taped to the back of it so um kind

01:00:35.039 --> 01:00:42.839
of taking pot shots at the competition a little bit after the whole Deca core

01:00:39.200 --> 01:00:46.440
thing from mediatech um and you know

01:00:42.839 --> 01:00:50.240
what I agree with Intel 100% that the

01:00:46.440 --> 01:00:51.839
core race on particularly mobile is

01:00:50.240 --> 01:00:55.319
really silly right now and I think there's one other major smartphone maker

01:00:54.200 --> 01:01:01.480
I'm trying to remember what they're called what are they starts with an A starts

01:00:59.720 --> 01:01:06.599
with an A they only have dual core smartphones even though everyone else is

01:01:02.920 --> 01:01:09.920
going quad o right Apple I think Apple

01:01:06.599 --> 01:01:12.839
also agrees that we don't need a core

01:01:09.920 --> 01:01:17.880
count race in smartphones right now on PCS where we're finally getting

01:01:15.680 --> 01:01:23.079
multi-threaded workloads whether it's uh 3D rendering or video outputting or you

01:01:20.839 --> 01:01:27.559
know uh directx12 coming and giving us finally some some multi-threading

01:01:24.880 --> 01:01:32.720
awareness for games on desktops yes multicore makes sense and has made sense

01:01:29.359 --> 01:01:35.599
for quite some time in Mobile we need

01:01:32.720 --> 01:01:41.720
strong single cores for a long time still and so a 65 core smartphone would

01:01:39.359 --> 01:01:45.400
be a little silly a 10 core smartphone is probably a little silly unless the

01:01:43.720 --> 01:01:49.760
strategy would be a super strong dual core in like eight super low power

01:01:47.760 --> 01:01:53.279
auxiliary cores or whatever the case may be that's kind of Intel's point right is

01:01:51.720 --> 01:01:58.000
that you're not going to be able to push 10 cores in a form factor for a

01:01:54.920 --> 01:02:00.400
smartphone like it's going to be one to

01:01:58.000 --> 01:02:03.279
two cores that are doing all the work and then the other eight are just there

01:02:01.760 --> 01:02:07.119
for marketing purposes essentially just like look at how many cores we have yeah

01:02:05.359 --> 01:02:10.839
cuz there are implementations that make sense like like a big small

01:02:08.960 --> 01:02:15.520
implementation where I mean we've even seen this octacore processors that have

01:02:13.359 --> 01:02:18.520
so there's four big ones and four small ones so the phone can literally turn off

01:02:17.400 --> 01:02:25.319
the big ones when you're not doing anything intensive um and Intel has has

01:02:22.319 --> 01:02:26.839
uh quadcore smartphone processors so so

01:02:25.319 --> 01:02:31.880
there's that um but yeah we don't need 10 and it'll

01:02:29.640 --> 01:02:36.720
be a long time if ever that we need more than four and I should I with ever

01:02:33.880 --> 01:02:42.200
asterisk at some point I'm sure we will um I don't think that'll be during the

01:02:39.319 --> 01:02:47.000
Silicon age though yeah yeah it might take something completely different to

01:02:44.480 --> 01:02:52.200
come along in the future um so what do we got

01:02:48.079 --> 01:02:54.359
next uh official valve steam machine

01:02:52.200 --> 01:02:59.079
pre-orders to reach some customers October 16th this was posted by Good

01:02:56.319 --> 01:03:02.680
Bites oh and that last one was posted by oh shoot I had I actually had to open

01:03:00.799 --> 01:03:08.079
the article here to see who posted it yeah I'm not sure uh I want to give you

01:03:05.359 --> 01:03:11.039
credit H fuzzy yellow so let's go ahead and pull this one up this one the

01:03:09.200 --> 01:03:16.880
original article here is from polygon and it looks like official steam

01:03:14.079 --> 01:03:22.480
machines are actually a thing but this is not the kind of steam machine that

01:03:19.480 --> 01:03:26.720
tickles my Enthusiast funny bone this

01:03:22.480 --> 01:03:30.279
looks like pretty much a collaboration

01:03:26.720 --> 01:03:32.119
with Alienware to just have Alienware

01:03:30.279 --> 01:03:36.640
steam machine be the official steam machine and so uh it's going to be

01:03:34.960 --> 01:03:40.079
pretty low power it's not going to be particularly

01:03:38.319 --> 01:03:44.520
upgradeable um

01:03:41.720 --> 01:03:49.039
yeah so I don't I don't I don't know what to say steam controller's coming

01:03:46.720 --> 01:03:52.039
out yeah steam controller it'll have a custom graphics core that'll perform at

01:03:50.680 --> 01:03:56.480
about the level of an 860m so if you want to play anything

01:03:54.720 --> 01:04:01.680
sort of more complicated than Super Meat Boy at 1080p then you're not going to be

01:03:59.359 --> 01:04:06.880
that thrilled with the uh with the experience uh there's a great video of

01:04:05.279 --> 01:04:14.319
uh for this for the steam controller teaser showing it being used in games um

01:04:10.880 --> 01:04:17.760
that looks really really compelling so

01:04:14.319 --> 01:04:20.200
everything from top down RTS to Shooters

01:04:17.760 --> 01:04:25.839
and whoever's been using it probably has like a thousand hours logged on it so

01:04:24.079 --> 01:04:30.000
yeah they're looking pretty Pro with the haptic feedback on that they're looking

01:04:27.920 --> 01:04:33.359
pretty Pro but if you guys haven't seen the finished steam controller yet then

01:04:32.079 --> 01:04:38.279
there's a picture of what it's going to look like right there so we end up with

01:04:35.839 --> 01:04:44.039
something sort that at least Bears a resemblance to a normal game controller

01:04:41.480 --> 01:04:48.920
like you kind of got a dpad haptic touch d-pad sort of they they went and they

01:04:45.880 --> 01:04:50.880
put that that texture on there for the

01:04:48.920 --> 01:04:56.480
d-pad lovers still just like the full circle is uh is touch sensitive or what

01:04:54.400 --> 01:05:00.319
it's it's all trackable got an analog stick you've got your abxy and then

01:04:58.520 --> 01:05:04.960
you've got your your other touchpad and then what's really cool and they show

01:05:02.319 --> 01:05:09.680
how this is being used is the reverse buttons so you've got a squeeze in here

01:05:06.799 --> 01:05:14.480
you've got the ones up here and they show that being used in some really cool

01:05:11.680 --> 01:05:18.440
ways like we've seen aftermarket stuff like this like we actually got some

01:05:16.160 --> 01:05:22.599
controllers in for review that had uh buttons remapped to the bottom so that

01:05:20.760 --> 01:05:26.200
you didn't have to uh so that you so that you could aim and zoom and fire at

01:05:24.200 --> 01:05:29.559
the same time like scuff and stuff like that stuff like that uh we thought the

01:05:27.960 --> 01:05:36.880
implementation was very poor we didn't end up reviewing it but valves looks

01:05:33.079 --> 01:05:39.319
like it might be okay so I'm going to be

01:05:36.880 --> 01:05:43.000
like the Luke on this one and just say I could see this being a lot of fun for

01:05:41.000 --> 01:05:48.039
games like Civ just kind of sitting on the couch and playing Civ and laying

01:05:44.880 --> 01:05:50.119
back and kind of zoning out um I don't

01:05:48.039 --> 01:05:54.480
see a whole lot of use for it in like you said FPS games sure it's better than

01:05:52.160 --> 01:05:58.079
a normal controller maybe but you're still just going to get beat by everyone

01:05:56.319 --> 01:06:03.799
with a mouse and keyboard as far as I can tell I haven't played with thing so

01:05:59.839 --> 01:06:06.000
maybe I'm totally wrong but um yeah I

01:06:03.799 --> 01:06:10.000
like even valve even says it's not meant to replace a mouse and keyboard it's

01:06:08.079 --> 01:06:13.400
meant to bring a better couch experience to PC gaming so I think that they're

01:06:11.680 --> 01:06:21.039
doing a good job with that meanwhile you've got Corsair um hold on couch yeah

01:06:18.359 --> 01:06:25.760
uh lap dog lap dog thank you there it is meanwhile you've got guys like nerdy

01:06:22.839 --> 01:06:29.880
Tech and even Corsair jumping in trying to bring the mouse and keyboard

01:06:27.400 --> 01:06:34.640
experience to the couch rather than trying to get you to compromise with the

01:06:31.559 --> 01:06:37.720
controller and I I admire their efforts

01:06:34.640 --> 01:06:40.599
here but I for

01:06:37.720 --> 01:06:47.400
me I would probably I'm going to at least give valves controller a shot here

01:06:43.079 --> 01:06:49.680
y um so this was posted by bleedman 0xx

01:06:47.400 --> 01:06:55.680
on the Forum here I'm going to go ahead and copy it and

01:06:51.920 --> 01:06:58.799
finally finally valve is allowing

01:06:55.680 --> 01:07:02.559
refunds on Steam in a way that is

01:06:58.799 --> 01:07:06.160
actually meaningful and not just like oh

01:07:02.559 --> 01:07:10.119
you know once and you know a blue moon

01:07:06.160 --> 01:07:12.760
if ever and so you can now request a

01:07:10.119 --> 01:07:17.119
refund for nearly any purchase on Steam for any

01:07:14.680 --> 01:07:22.319
reason wow that's actually kind of insane which which shouldn't be insane

01:07:20.039 --> 01:07:27.520
finally digital distribution okay okay okay okay so okay back in the old days

01:07:25.279 --> 01:07:33.520
of physical media you could return a game yeah this was prec CD keys this was

01:07:30.000 --> 01:07:35.559
back when the physical media represented

01:07:33.520 --> 01:07:40.359
the game you didn't own the game anymore if you didn't have that disc now CD Keys

01:07:38.079 --> 01:07:43.440
came along and all of a sudden that disc meant nothing once You' registered an

01:07:42.160 --> 01:07:48.079
account with Blizzard or whatever the case may be I mean you could be

01:07:45.559 --> 01:07:52.079
returning them nothing yeah and you might as well be returned like they

01:07:49.839 --> 01:07:57.880
weren't going to get a credit so then digital came along and adopted that

01:07:55.079 --> 01:08:03.480
policy for some reason even though platforms like steam are their own DRM

01:08:01.079 --> 01:08:07.160
they know if you've played the game I mean that was something that I could see

01:08:05.119 --> 01:08:10.799
a physical store being upset about well you were just using us as a free rental

01:08:09.520 --> 01:08:16.880
yeah you finished the game and brought it back screw you Val knows they even

01:08:14.440 --> 01:08:23.520
know where you die on their maps in Counterstrike like they know how much

01:08:19.759 --> 01:08:25.600
you played the game so now uh you will

01:08:23.520 --> 01:08:30.600
be issued a full refund of your purch just within a week of approval um if you

01:08:28.799 --> 01:08:36.799
have played the game for I believe it's less than 2 hours so 14 days as long as

01:08:34.560 --> 01:08:42.759
you've played it for less than 2 hours for pre purchased titles um refunds on

01:08:39.920 --> 01:08:46.239
in-game purchases I think that's a really big one especially with the

01:08:44.319 --> 01:08:49.279
prevalence of stuff like Counterstrike items like did you know there's some

01:08:47.799 --> 01:08:55.759
knives in Counter-Strike now that are like $1,500 for a knife

01:08:53.199 --> 01:09:00.520
Skin So within 48 hours hours of purchase so long it has as it has not

01:08:57.319 --> 01:09:02.040
been consumed modified or transferred um

01:09:00.520 --> 01:09:07.600
refunds on DLC uh and if blah blah blah refundable

01:09:04.839 --> 01:09:11.480
within 14 days of purchase and if the underlying title has not been played for

01:09:09.880 --> 01:09:15.400
less than two hours since the DLC was purchase blah blah blah blah uh steam

01:09:13.679 --> 01:09:20.159
wallet refunds within 14 days of purchase if they purchased on Steam you not have to use any of those funds and

01:09:18.159 --> 01:09:24.080
refunds on bundles you can now receive a full refund for any bundle purchased on

01:09:22.400 --> 01:09:28.560
the steam store so long as none of the items in the bundle have been transferred and if the combined usage of

01:09:26.839 --> 01:09:35.000
time is less than 2 hours so 2 hours is the magic time which honestly is pretty

01:09:31.640 --> 01:09:36.759
generous no refunds on movies cuz as

01:09:35.000 --> 01:09:40.560
long as you've used this movie for less than two

01:09:38.239 --> 01:09:45.520
hours it's like yeah I missed the end credits

01:09:42.199 --> 01:09:48.719
thanks so refunds are designed to remove

01:09:45.520 --> 01:09:51.000
the risk from purchasing titles on Steam

01:09:48.719 --> 01:09:55.400
not as a way to get free access to games if it appears to us that you are abusing

01:09:52.719 --> 01:09:58.600
refunds we may stop offering them to you we do not consider it abuse to request a

01:09:57.080 --> 01:10:03.600
refund on a title that was purchased just before a sale and then immediately

01:10:00.120 --> 01:10:06.719
reing that title for the sale price so

01:10:03.600 --> 01:10:08.800
this is effectively valve offering price

01:10:06.719 --> 01:10:13.760
protection even yeah if you've played a game for less than two hours that's cool

01:10:11.239 --> 01:10:17.239
hey way to go I think it's pretty sweet way to go valve some people in chat are

01:10:15.640 --> 01:10:22.520
calling me out about saying there was a $1,500 knife there was one that was

01:10:19.679 --> 01:10:27.000
rumored to go for $20,000 like no one has any real proof of that and even if

01:10:25.000 --> 01:10:30.960
it was that's like a oneoff that's not a market price that's someone paying way

01:10:28.520 --> 01:10:37.239
too much for stupid like $1,500 is way too much anyway I'm on a tangent um

01:10:34.480 --> 01:10:41.880
let's have a first Nicks rants segment yeah yeah yeah no nobody wants to hear

01:10:38.840 --> 01:10:43.040
that um people in chat this isn't we we

01:10:41.880 --> 01:10:50.239
talked about this earlier in the week this isn't in the dock but people in chat all stream have been asking about

01:10:47.280 --> 01:10:55.719
the the thermal take thing what's your opinion on that what's my opinion I

01:10:52.640 --> 01:10:57.719
don't give a rat's ass

01:10:55.719 --> 01:11:02.760
that's why it wasn't in the dog um yeah it straight up wasn't in our document

01:10:59.800 --> 01:11:07.840
for topics to cover this week um if anyone okay you know what here I'm GNA

01:11:06.560 --> 01:11:14.000
I'm going to put my computer now for the official lus R I'm going to put my computer down I'm I'm going give you

01:11:11.800 --> 01:11:17.640
guys a little I'm going give you no no it's fine it's fine I'm going to give

01:11:15.199 --> 01:11:25.960
you guys a little a little a little chat okay the PC industry is the most

01:11:22.159 --> 01:11:28.800
inbred um copying everyone

01:11:25.960 --> 01:11:34.199
people stealing trade secrets from each other industry that could possibly exist

01:11:32.840 --> 01:11:37.920
remember these are technology enthusiasts these are the guys who are

01:11:36.080 --> 01:11:44.920
inventing 3D printers okay and 3D scanners and like

01:11:42.400 --> 01:11:48.800
better means of ripping each other off all day okay and so I'm going to I'm

01:11:47.719 --> 01:11:55.800
going to I'm going to go and I'm going to drag someone else into this whole thing I'm not even going to talk about

01:11:53.040 --> 01:12:00.360
thermal take or case Labs you're going yeah I'm going there there I'm going

01:11:57.679 --> 01:12:06.679
there so let's look at a company like fractal design I love fractal design I

01:12:03.199 --> 01:12:08.920
love Josh I love yens I love hanas uh

01:12:06.679 --> 01:12:14.520
I'll even tolerate Johan I'm I'm naming all the people at fractal design who I

01:12:10.880 --> 01:12:17.400
know and and like and respect fractal

01:12:14.520 --> 01:12:24.159
design built their company their their first product the defin R they built

01:12:21.360 --> 01:12:27.960
their company off of taking the antec p180 and doing it better and cheaper

01:12:26.920 --> 01:12:33.480
than antech and antech to this day in my mind

01:12:32.120 --> 01:12:40.639
although I haven't seen their new signature case to this day has not found

01:12:36.600 --> 01:12:42.840
their groove again and that's the breaks

01:12:40.639 --> 01:12:47.760
because the thing about a case the thing about a physical object is that if you

01:12:45.400 --> 01:12:53.560
can't find a way to patent it and Josh from fractal design has actually been on

01:12:50.560 --> 01:12:57.679
the record saying there's only so many

01:12:53.560 --> 01:13:00.800
ways to manufacture a rectangular box he

01:12:57.679 --> 01:13:02.920
actually brought that up last week um on

01:13:00.800 --> 01:13:06.840
what what's Paul and Kyle's shows awesome Hardware right um awesome sauce

01:13:05.199 --> 01:13:14.920
news and Paul's Hardware I think I think their live show is called awesome Hardware sorry guys if that's not

01:13:09.239 --> 01:13:18.120
correct um but Kyle had uh Josh on as a

01:13:14.920 --> 01:13:20.719
guest because Paul's in Taipei for comex

01:13:18.120 --> 01:13:26.080
so Josh actually said in that stream he went to the old there's only so many

01:13:22.760 --> 01:13:27.920
ways that you can make a metal box

01:13:26.080 --> 01:13:31.120
um argument when when it was brought up with him so it's not like these guys

01:13:29.639 --> 01:13:37.080
aren't aware that that's what's happening and the innovation in a case

01:13:34.120 --> 01:13:44.199
the innovation in a case in my mind is not in the finished product because if I

01:13:40.760 --> 01:13:47.360
could make a case out of you know um

01:13:44.199 --> 01:13:49.199
spiderwebs and pixie dust then I could

01:13:47.360 --> 01:13:56.920
make the best case ever of course I could the innovation in a case is in

01:13:53.440 --> 01:13:59.719
manufacturing so if you patent a process

01:13:56.920 --> 01:14:04.920
for bending aluminum in a way that literally no one else can even make your

01:14:01.880 --> 01:14:08.040
case yeah then you innovate it yeah if

01:14:04.920 --> 01:14:10.920
you innovate the idea of having like

01:14:08.040 --> 01:14:16.159
okay um NZ xt's innovation of removing the 5 and A4 inch Bas from the

01:14:13.159 --> 01:14:17.920
h440 Innovative idea but you can't

01:14:16.159 --> 01:14:22.239
patent that and you can't prevent your competitors from making a case with no 5

01:14:19.639 --> 01:14:26.320
and a/4 inch Baye and NZXT is not a bunch of idiots and they know that

01:14:24.440 --> 01:14:30.639
someone is going to as soon as that case is successful everyone else in their dog

01:14:29.080 --> 01:14:37.760
is going to be doing it because that's not that's that's just that's just it's

01:14:34.320 --> 01:14:40.080
a it's an idea you can't patent an like

01:14:37.760 --> 01:14:45.199
well you can patent an idea but you you can't patent like removing a speck I

01:14:43.920 --> 01:14:50.239
guess is what I'm trying to say you can't patent a spec difference so like

01:14:47.360 --> 01:14:54.400
you can't patent the idea of executing a case that doesn't have a certain aspect

01:14:52.320 --> 01:14:58.560
yeah like it's not that you can't patent an idea it's that you can't you can't

01:14:56.679 --> 01:15:02.920
patent an aspect of something that's so ubiquitous 5 and a quar inch Bays

01:15:00.560 --> 01:15:07.600
existing and you'll have cases on the with a spec sheet on the side that says

01:15:04.639 --> 01:15:12.000
1 Time 5 and a quarter or 5 * 5 and a quarter the fact that you just made a

01:15:09.679 --> 01:15:17.560
case that says 0 * 5 and a quarter is not is not it's not patentable yeah

01:15:14.719 --> 01:15:23.159
that's not that's not patentable um whereas the idea of you know okay

01:15:20.560 --> 01:15:28.560
looking at inwin transforming case where they literally made something that no

01:15:24.760 --> 01:15:31.120
one else can make that is innovation so

01:15:28.560 --> 01:15:35.960
to me someone like Cas laabs came along and they did something really important

01:15:33.000 --> 01:15:41.760
they made easy spacious water cooling friendly cases accessible and affordable

01:15:38.800 --> 01:15:45.560
and high quality in a way that hey if we're going to start talking about

01:15:43.159 --> 01:15:49.719
copying people in a way that I who I would consider to be their spiritual

01:15:46.920 --> 01:15:55.600
predecessor Mountain mods didn't manage to do that's what case Labs did and they

01:15:53.840 --> 01:16:00.639
did a great job but if they're going to kind of run and

01:15:57.040 --> 01:16:03.880
cry foul because someone you know copied

01:16:00.639 --> 01:16:08.080
that idea of making an affordable roomy

01:16:03.880 --> 01:16:11.239
well-thought out case I mean uh I don't

01:16:08.080 --> 01:16:14.360
know um to me it's about actually making

01:16:11.239 --> 01:16:16.600
it um and it's not necessarily about the

01:16:14.360 --> 01:16:20.480
idea of having a lot of places for a radiator if you don't actually execute

01:16:19.000 --> 01:16:25.760
it or if someone else executes it better and that is another thing to consider

01:16:22.760 --> 01:16:28.760
here cases there's more to a case than

01:16:25.760 --> 01:16:33.040
the spec and the look and if Case Labs

01:16:28.760 --> 01:16:35.520
believes that their quality is great and

01:16:33.040 --> 01:16:39.360
from my experience with them it is then they shouldn't be worried about

01:16:36.639 --> 01:16:45.280
competition from thermal take period so there that's my take on it I

01:16:42.560 --> 01:16:48.520
have talked about it yeah and you know what oh I've got people saying I think

01:16:47.360 --> 01:16:53.520
the issue is that the people they're buying their cases from is the same

01:16:50.840 --> 01:16:59.520
manufacturer well yeah that's the PC industry man you think that you think

01:16:56.080 --> 01:17:01.679
that every Power so when Corsair yeah

01:16:59.520 --> 01:17:06.440
when Corsair releases their 80 plus Platinum power supply and you know

01:17:04.280 --> 01:17:13.239
everyone else has an 80 plus Platinum power supply the next week you think

01:17:08.719 --> 01:17:17.280
that's not the same thing come on come

01:17:13.239 --> 01:17:20.679
on come on you think that when NZXT

01:17:17.280 --> 01:17:23.880
releases the Kraken x40 and Corsair has

01:17:20.679 --> 01:17:26.719
a a single 140 millimeter all-in-one

01:17:23.880 --> 01:17:31.040
liquid cooler that's also an acch design you know a little while later you think

01:17:28.400 --> 01:17:36.520
someone didn't make a deal a volume agreement or or a payout for a a a a

01:17:34.280 --> 01:17:40.560
limited time exclusive and then all of a sudden the Design's open to everyone

01:17:37.920 --> 01:17:45.000
that's how the PC industry Works Reb badges rebrands there's only a few

01:17:42.560 --> 01:17:49.000
companies actually building things and they're going to be the ones

01:17:47.360 --> 01:17:52.000
that are going to hold all the they're they're going to hold all the cards and

01:17:50.800 --> 01:17:57.120
they're going to have the power in the long term there you go so apparently

01:17:55.159 --> 01:18:00.080
Josh wasn't on awesome Hardware I don't know where I saw it then I've seen him

01:17:58.800 --> 01:18:05.239
talk about it yeah he was talking to somebody on one of the shows I can't

01:18:02.120 --> 01:18:06.560
remember um I watch a lot of videos

01:18:05.239 --> 01:18:14.040
every week I've got people saying they don't think I get it like I've looked at pictures of the cases I I see the

01:18:10.280 --> 01:18:17.080
similarity sure I do and like that's

01:18:14.040 --> 01:18:18.960
dumb but like it it's not like it's not

01:18:17.080 --> 01:18:21.760
like apple doesn't get all upset when someone makes a phone that's similar to

01:18:20.199 --> 01:18:26.320
the iPhone and even they've given up at this point it looks like so somebody was

01:18:24.440 --> 01:18:29.880
saying Apple could probably patent the zero five and a half or five and a

01:18:27.840 --> 01:18:33.400
quarter inch Bay idea that you had yeah possibly probably you're probably right

01:18:32.159 --> 01:18:38.719
they could patent it I'm not sure if it would be upheld though no but they would they would probably patent it probably

01:18:37.320 --> 01:18:46.280
anyway apparently it was in Jay's two cents Tech talk oh sorry js2 cents my

01:18:41.760 --> 01:18:49.239
bad um okay so uh Google advertises a

01:18:46.280 --> 01:18:56.000
Nexus 6 running Windows Phone Microsoft advertises alumia 535 running Android so

01:18:52.679 --> 01:18:59.000
the original poster here was rude

01:18:56.000 --> 01:19:02.520
uh copy link URL I actually you know

01:18:59.000 --> 01:19:04.040
what's funny is I I had some notes in my

01:19:02.520 --> 01:19:07.920
uh in my email because I'm always I always forget to open up the doc and

01:19:05.840 --> 01:19:11.920
like post the things and uh I just assumed valve uh steam refunds would be

01:19:09.960 --> 01:19:17.000
in the dock and then I kind of went oh yeah all the computex stuff there's like

01:19:14.199 --> 01:19:21.280
straight up no room I had like 35 topics in the dock and I was like well I have

01:19:18.440 --> 01:19:26.120
to cut like half of these not actually but like a significant amount of these

01:19:24.159 --> 01:19:29.920
and that was like with me not even just like putting stuff in periodically and

01:19:28.120 --> 01:19:34.639
that was without the 3 minute conversation we just had about the thing

01:19:32.040 --> 01:19:38.440
so this is cool hey I would love to see a future where you get to choose your

01:19:36.440 --> 01:19:42.920
phone hardware and your OS independently

01:19:40.320 --> 01:19:50.480
um yeah apparently some marketing agencies thought that the future was now

01:19:46.560 --> 01:19:52.719
yeah so you know is this real it doesn't

01:19:50.480 --> 01:19:57.520
necessarily look like anything like this is coming anytime soon but

01:19:55.199 --> 01:20:02.080
it's also very Illuminati confirmed that both of these mistakes showed up at

01:19:59.080 --> 01:20:04.199
around the same time so you know I I

01:20:02.080 --> 01:20:08.480
think it'd be super cool I think it also opens up a can of worms in terms of you

01:20:06.320 --> 01:20:11.760
know compatibility and drivers and blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

01:20:09.880 --> 01:20:17.239
that we've been free from from on phones up until now but uh still still very

01:20:14.920 --> 01:20:21.760
cool stuff um well I think I've only really got one more that I really want

01:20:18.800 --> 01:20:26.840
to hit the original poster here was Joss and I think we're going to need a straw

01:20:23.040 --> 01:20:29.120
pole for you guys here because uh I I

01:20:26.840 --> 01:20:32.480
literally found this like five minutes before the show started and I was

01:20:31.040 --> 01:20:39.600
laughing my head off and L was like what are you laughing at and I just pointed at my screen he's like okay I think we

01:20:35.320 --> 01:20:39.600
have to talk about that yeah so

01:20:41.480 --> 01:20:51.280
um I I I know I'm leaving you guys in suspense here but this is this is worth

01:20:46.600 --> 01:20:51.280
it Illuminati the chat's all

01:20:51.400 --> 01:20:58.159
Illuminati okay so no it needs to be turn up uh I just I just do whatever I

01:20:56.520 --> 01:21:03.520
only did that twice in a row like by accident yeah but okay oh I think I know

01:21:01.280 --> 01:21:06.800
what you're talking about okay well at any rate here we go

01:21:08.159 --> 01:21:13.000
guys the original poster here and I'm

01:21:11.199 --> 01:21:19.560
going to post the straw pole now the original the original poster

01:21:16.040 --> 01:21:23.520
here is uh J and the original article

01:21:19.560 --> 01:21:27.120
here is from Phone Arena here it is it

01:21:23.520 --> 01:21:30.000
is a smart wearable called The Sex

01:21:27.120 --> 01:21:35.560
Machine that keeps track of sex performance metrics and you wouldn't

01:21:33.360 --> 01:21:42.080
believe where it's worn unless you saw this GIF then you'll probably figure out

01:21:38.719 --> 01:21:45.800
exactly where it's going to be worn now

01:21:42.080 --> 01:21:47.800
I can see a lot of you know potential

01:21:45.800 --> 01:21:52.239
you know good that could come of this you know um yeah you know what's what's

01:21:50.239 --> 01:21:57.440
good for him is good for her and so on and so forth and and you know said

01:21:54.920 --> 01:22:01.199
there's tons of statistical evidence out there that a you know a healthy sex life

01:21:59.560 --> 01:22:05.520
and maybe one that we can you know if we can make it healthier is good for a

01:22:02.960 --> 01:22:08.920
relationship and all that kind of stuff but I've also got a lot of people

01:22:07.239 --> 01:22:14.120
suggesting ways this could be used for evil like um teran's using a great

01:22:11.520 --> 01:22:19.440
biking app that actually measures like it shows um you know how you performed

01:22:16.760 --> 01:22:23.239
on a particular like a split like split times um as you as you bike around

01:22:21.840 --> 01:22:26.920
compared to other people that have been through that particular no through that

01:22:25.800 --> 01:22:32.520
particular route um you know ways you could

01:22:30.760 --> 01:22:38.320
integrate this into a social through that particular route social social

01:22:35.800 --> 01:22:43.320
network features here um you know you could see if you're the best performing

01:22:40.400 --> 01:22:46.840
guy on your street you know stuff like that

01:22:44.480 --> 01:22:53.239
um oh no so I'm going to fire up the straw pole results here do you want your

01:22:50.560 --> 01:23:02.280
sex performance monitored we we've got a no definite

01:22:57.239 --> 01:23:04.600
minority here saying yes 24% of them are

01:23:02.280 --> 01:23:10.239
okay with having their sex performance monitored and I don't even know if this

01:23:07.320 --> 01:23:13.280
is all going into the cloud or whatever I I haven't actually we found this right

01:23:11.960 --> 01:23:17.920
before the show it's probably it probably is going into the cloud oh man

01:23:15.400 --> 01:23:22.000
I doubt it's stored locally I highly doubt it's stored can you imagine that

01:23:19.639 --> 01:23:26.440
okay loading up an Android app uh this app requests permission to access your

01:23:23.840 --> 01:23:31.239
camera your contacts your sex performance can you even

01:23:28.719 --> 01:23:35.320
imagine oh no yeah we've got more nose coming in

01:23:33.960 --> 01:23:43.760
now that we're sort of talking about cloud storage it it would be interesting

01:23:37.600 --> 01:23:46.800
to see how um say say someone's wife has

01:23:43.760 --> 01:23:48.239
access to this app and she's unhappy in

01:23:46.800 --> 01:23:53.360
the relationship and she wants to file for divorce could she use that as

01:23:50.560 --> 01:23:58.000
evidence I don't know or like can you imagine like you know all the wives and

01:23:55.960 --> 01:24:03.639
girlfriends getting together and comparing comparing notes you know they

01:24:00.440 --> 01:24:06.000
would I know they totally would I know

01:24:03.639 --> 01:24:10.440
oh man that is like some not cool stuff right there well I guess it depends how

01:24:08.360 --> 01:24:16.760
your performance it depends well for me that would be some not cool stuff right

01:24:12.719 --> 01:24:20.159
there straight up um I've actually got

01:24:16.760 --> 01:24:22.159
one more one more topic that's sort of

01:24:20.159 --> 01:24:26.400
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01:24:25.080 --> 01:24:31.880
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01:24:39.520 --> 01:24:45.880
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