The WAN Show : Chromecast, Linus Pissed Himself, 4K Monitors, and Guest LEW - July 26, 2013
Linus Tech Tips
·Linus Tech Tips
·2014-05-07
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20,934 words · ~104 min read
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show guys the weekly analysis and news show which uh is brought to you by
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Coca-Cola we have a new spons actually no Coca-Cola Coca-Cola and Pepsi I
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actually don't like Coca-Cola it's not very good do you do you like Pepsi more
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or you just don't like Co neither do I yeah it's just terrible is weird
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although it's better than the noname stuff uh safe waves house brand simply
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soda I remember this one time I drank one can of it this is when I was like 9
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or 10 I drank one can of it before I
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left and that stuff made me have to pee
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like nothing else I've ever experienced in my life so I'm driving down from
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Whistler yeah we get stuck in traffic on the Sea to Sky Highway sounds about
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right I peed myself in the car not once
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not twice but three times how old are you I was well there
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was nothing I could do there was a cliff on one side there was bumper-to-bumper
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traffic piss out the door before I pissed myself hours and hours to hours
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and hours to get down I was like Dad what do I do and is like I don't know
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just whatever I hold on to the roof lean out
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convertible there's like so stand up so yeah I I I don't hold a bag on each side
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or skis on each side I don't know about that you know what would love to hear
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your guys' feedback whether it's in the twitch chat or whether it's on Twitter
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would you rather embarrass yourself by peeing on the seat or embarrass yourself
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by standing out in front of the stopped by the way traffic completely stopped
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traffic like put blockers up like people stopped and like having like tailgate
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barbecues on their trucks with their propane because we're not moving so do
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you just pee there wh which option is better for you um totally totally open
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to feedback here I I was I was too embarrassed to get out of the car
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fortunately or unfortunately the seats were leather so at least it was going to
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come out but yeah it was uh it was one of those experiences you have in life
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that uh is unfortunate was I was I was
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not expecting that start to the W show actually no no I uh I I have never told
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you that story in fact I haven't told that story many times in general it's uh
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not one of those stories that I'm particularly proud of so we've got a
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great show for you guys we have special guest Lou from unbox therapy we've got
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um this guy I do things this guy we've
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got a bunch of great topics including the uh the first reviews are out of
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ASUS's 4k monitor which is extremely exciting as you guys know I'm all about
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the 4K and leaks of Dell's possible 4K
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mon
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yeah wow leaks of Dell's possible 4K
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monitors uh Samsung's new 840 Evo SSD
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honestly from what I've seen it looks like the only SSD that actually I should
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give any cares about anymore it's uh looks unbelievable as well as slicks
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expert uh you know correspondent analysis
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of what Microsoft could do to save Windows 9 to actually appeal to every
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customer have you read it I have read it it's actually pretty okay I don't
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disagree with you yeah and that's pretty good for me and him uh oh yeah my
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Watermark where's my Watermark uh don't worry we're going to
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run the intro we just finished doing the intro Diesel's afraid that I'll forget
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to run his awesome intro that we hardcore love long time and boom qu
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it I missed it gonna try that one more time
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all right so there is the intro someone
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says they hate it someone says best intro of all time so we're going to go
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ahead and call that it's all right 50%
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of the time all the time yeah
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exactly whoa my brain just exploded so
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guys remember as always the W show is brought to you by Razer comms the voice
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chat client that is actually optimized for gaming and isn't Skype but also does
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doesn't require you to set up a dedicated server or any of the issues that you might have with some of the
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other ones that are out there we actually had a lot of people criticizing
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our video about why we decided on Razer comms saying that you know uh this one's
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Superior or that one's Superior there's another one that's Superior uh the
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reality of it is comms is in beta um I have used other voice clients for anyone
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saying ventrillo was Superior wow go away because no it isn't uh Mumble on
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the other hand is outstanding the only issue with mumble is that when I used to
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use it for my I I would say Tuesday night gaming sessions but it was more
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like every night at that point in my life uh for for gaming sessions uh there
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were some issues with um with secure channels and with the authentication
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keys and you had to get like there you
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could only have like that edmin you know
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get you in and the sort of invites were weird and rooms were weird voice quality
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is outstanding yeah dedicated server all that kind of stuff um one thing like uh
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other voice communication programs all most of them have at least one thing
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that separates them like TeamSpeak a lot of people like team speak one thing that a lot of people might not know about
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team speak even the people that like it is that you can integrate it with things
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like ARMA and set up hotkeys in game which will talk over certain radio
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channels so you can go in like close burst within the game or like go over a
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certain Channel even though you're in a CH in the Channel with everyone and like
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it's a lot of different things have cool functionality we're just trying to show
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that Razer commoms also has its own nice cool
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way of going about being a voice so use that bitly link guys remember that helps
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us out a great deal if you're going to download Razer comms and try it or you're going to get your friends to
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download and try it please do use that link as I said before it helps us out a
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great deal so I would like to go to the Twitter boards that's what I'm going to
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call them from now on the twitters or I want to see what people think I would
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pee on another person's car looking straight in their eyes not losing eye
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contact the whole time come on if you're like nine I don't think so
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I'd rather let it go out the window own your body man and then Brian seems to be
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unrelated you're going to make me get Instagram aren't you um I am going to
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continue using Instagram so so that's kind of a thing and for some reason I'm
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not getting any tweets so uh
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huh there you go there's two watching
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from Texas love the wo guys what should
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I get two GTX wow that went fast all of a sudden 2 GTX 7 60s are 1780 also tell
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slick I love his little beard I don't think that's an intentional beard is it
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what do you mean the your beard it's an intentional beard it's an intentional
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beard I shave this part oh okay well um
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I'm trying to enjoy it before I inevitably volunteer for firefighting
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and have to take it off you're not allowed to have a beard As A Firefighter
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well it will your skin won't make contact with a mask as well ah okay okay
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it it makes sense cuz you need it to be able to stick against your skin and like
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we figured out with the ninja mask my hair pokes through things and stuff
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gotcha all right saurin asks for headphones in the $200 to $250 range
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you're really happy with your custom one Pros right yeah they're awesome and they often go on sale around that range hard
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to say no to that play Modern games on Afterparty we'll see if we can even figure out playing games on the
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Afterparty should I buy a 7950 now or wait for new AMD cards no idea uh we
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don't know uh h100i intake or exhaust on
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Phantom 410 mounted in the top all other intake go ahead and use it as an exhaust
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ducky shine three up for pre-order ordering mine tomorrow only certain
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places have them for pre-order and a lot of places that have them oh wait this is
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shine 3 yeah I know he should be fine I was thinking snake a lot of them are
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sold out all right going to upgrade to 4770k is there any motherboard you'd
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recommend especially what is overclocking Noob friendly for up to
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$300 honestly for $300 you can buy
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pretty much whatever you want and we have a very exciting video coming soon
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where we are going to take two z70 uh Z87 boards uh would you remember which
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two they are it's a uh I don't remember the exact model name but it's a Gigabyte
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ITX Wi-Fi board little
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board versus a rampage Maximus extreme
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so we uh we overclock them both we run some benchmarks we find out actually in
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our experience what difference does it
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actually make uh versus I mean there's always the features that are added by
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better board so example for example the Maximus 6 formula has much better
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onboard audio which can save you buying a sound card with that said I've always
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believed that buying a very high quality sound card because of the way audio
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equipment doesn't really change much over time uh a good quality sound card
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from three years ago four years ago something like an azente X Meridian or
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something like that um still a good
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sound card if you can find a PCI slot to put it in so I recommend rather than
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investing in a better board that has better sound you grab a great sound card
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and put it in whatever board you happen to buy also looks a lot better in
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Aesthetics matter yeah true that all right so unbox therapy has uh
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has tweeted that he's going to be joining us
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soon that's very very exciting he's a really great guy we've actually met in
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person in the past and uh enjoyed some
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uh pretty actually it was some pretty suspect like barbecue make it-yourself
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food that uh yeah we were hanging out with Logan as well so there's some
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pictures from that trip but uh it was it was pretty great actually so let's do
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our first topic of the day shall we sure
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what do you want to what do you want to hit him with first why don't we talk PQ
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321 sure sure all right so anante has one of the first
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reviews out there of the PQ 321 Q Ultra
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HD monitor living with a 31 1/2 in 4k
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desktop display so guys I do highly
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recommend taking a complete sort of you know it probably only take you about 15
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minutes 20 minutes long read through the review because they touch on some really
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interesting points about this for those of you who don't know one of the first
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4K desktop monitors that is actually intended to be hooked up to a computer
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yeah what's your take on this I read through the review yeah and the first
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thing that I noticed was he said the color gamut wasn't exactly where he hoped it would be it was almost 100% of
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srgb if I recall correctly but some of it was in the wrong yeah wrong spots so
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so it's exciting because they're getting these lower size 4K resolutions and one
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thing that he said is a he kind of expected um it to not be that big of a
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difference because it's so close to him yeah but that he instantly noticed that
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it was so much sharper yes I mean I could have told there I think Chris
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Chris is the reviewer over there that that did this particular write up and I
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could have told him a 4k monitor was going to make a very very big difference
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but for me to invest $3,500 I mean I had
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talked about you know maybe I want to go 4K but the reality of it is is there's a
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couple reasons why I'm not ready would I be willing to sell my bike and drop all
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of that money that I get back for it on a monitor potentially yes especially
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then mind you I'm back on my bike for this season and I'm kind of questioning
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how I could have ever been crazy enough to think about that but I was going to
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say now that it's summertime you're actually riding it that's
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yeah but the the flip side of that or
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the but the the other hand of that discussion is yeah it's it's expensive
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would I be willing to drop the money maybe but there's still some problems y
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so the display standards aren't really ready yet for
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the most part HDMI is not going to be ready until HDMI 2.0 when we're going to
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be able to drive 4K at 60 HZ off of a single interface when I was talking to
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the ASUS guys that were at Lan couver uh
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they were saying that part of the reason that they didn't have games running on
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the one that was there was that they needed some driver hookum hookum
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whatever word you want to use for it in order to have the two display
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interfaces work correctly as a as as as
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teaming together to drive a single panel so that to me is a big concern as well
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is what happens to this weird Nish product that ASUS sells however many
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they sell like I'm not going to say 10
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but I'm also not going to say 10,000 in North America anyway and that's the
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danger is what happens to weird nich products that lead the charge on some
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kind of a new technology and then ultimately get abandoned look at the x25
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M from Intel of all of all companies and the x2e people invested a ton of money
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into those early gen ssds they never got
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trim they never got proper they never
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they never got proper garbage collection if I recall correctly like they just
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kind of got abandoned because they didn't sell enough for it to be worth
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the R&D time of fixing it after the fact
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and that's a really good point because it's it's prohibitively expensive yes it
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has its problems yes what I'm excited for is when they get it smaller size cuz
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31 and2 is huge 31 30 in is already like
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I I used 30in for quite a while and I got used to it but then what happened
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was I recently switched back to 24 and even though it was noticeable I don't
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really miss that huge I miss the resolution yeah love to have the
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resolution back but exactly I'm excited
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for 24 in I'm excited to buy two 24in 4K
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monitors that are affordable what do you consider affordable I don't know would
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you spend 750 each no cuz it's going to be a long time
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before they're going to be less than that yes but I'm very happy with my current monitors true true that and I'm
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totally fine with waiting so it's you
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had really really good points it's interesting buying in on technology like this I think I've done it once I bought
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a Nia okay it wasn't it wasn't super expensive it was fun though okay so it
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would it was fundamentally broken yes it was terrible but it was fun okay I
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enjoyed messing around with it I got my money out of it I was happy it got abandoned that's fine okay whereas and
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I'm not saying that this monitor is not going to work 3 years from now it will
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and DisplayPort is a much better solution than you know dual HDMI in but
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there's all those early growing paines I mean early 2560 X 1600 monitors none of
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them had onscreen displays because the processing chips required to um none of
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them had scalers so the because the processing required to do all this stuff
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was just Out Of Reach so you just had to drive it natively um and so the onscreen
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display ain't great on this thing but one thing that's cool about the uh about
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the PQ 321 Q is that the input leg isn't
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bad yeah that's outstanding it's about the same as the pb278 which I have two
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of them incoming when they finally get in stock at the place I've ordered them
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um and I've gamed on that monitor not bad it's not a CRT but it's not bad so
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uh that I find really exciting how close we are from that perspective but uh yeah
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I think that's it's exciting and if you have the money that's great but o yeah a
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lot of money it's a lot of money it's a lot of money I saw actually it's not in
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the uh it's not in our show do but I saw someone was running three of the sharp
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displays uh in in ifinity off of a 7970
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uh Matrix or whatever from Theus so it's like
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12K display essentially just absurd
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unbelievable he had them on loan so it's like $10,000 worth of displays right um
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that's the other thing that I'm really waiting for with 4K is more competition
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you look what happened with TVs with Seiko just kind of Marching In and being
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like yo guys this doesn't cost that much not a great TV but still in fact the
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reviews are terrible yeah they're basically saying don't bother just go
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get a 1080 PTV but um but I'm waiting for someone other
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than freaking sharp to have something other than a 32in panel I mean that's a
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professional geared product in the first place well the the the Dell leaks are
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pretty much just product numbers as I tell sure it's in here somewhere as far
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as I could tell what the Del leak is that they're basically just product numbers but one thing that I saw was I
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think it was like 2414 and it seemed like they all all the
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4K ones ended in 14 so that got me excited because 24 in I'm assuming the
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first two numbers are inch so 24 in uh
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4k monitor which is what I'm super excited for I'm sure it's going to be way too expensive but that's that's the
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size that I'm excited for with that said Dell's been reasonably reasonable about
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some stuff so this was submitted on the Linus Tech tips Forum by snow Comet so
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uh it was a leak in the Soundbar manual
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because their Soundbar I don't know if you're familiar with it is usually uh
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cross compatible with multiple Dell monitors so here are the leaked models
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the up 320 3 3214 Q so that is in all
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likelihood of 4K 32 in using the same EXO panel as everyone else that's
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another thing is when we get more panel manufacturers playing the game yeah
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that's going to help a lot the up 2414 Q
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the U24 14h and then
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u3415w so Q might be 4K or whatever else
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fascinating I I I still have oh oh just
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an FYI guys this IP is not the IP of the poster I forgot again to uh log into a
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different account guys if you if you were to watch our streams over sort of a
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longer period of time you'd notice that IPS repeat themselves a fair bit because
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they are the IPS that have to do with the security system for our Forum not to
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do with the actual members of our Forum so there you go just throwing that out
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there let's go ahead and uh move on to
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our next topic shall we NVIDIA has a new Quadro video card so they just recently
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unveiled so this was submitted by ich chondo the quadro k6000 GPU so this is
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based on a Titan GK 110 core it has 12
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gigs we'll let that sink in for a
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moment 12 gigs of gddr5 memory and uh
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that makes it pretty much when it comes to 3D rendering uh animation simulation
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applications pretty much the fastest
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possible GPU that can exist right now um
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now we'll talk about that a little bit so there's a couple of really great
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great quotes uh from pix so this is their uh uh vice president of software
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R&D the Kepler features are key to our next Generation real-time lighting and
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geometry handling if you guys have seen Monsters U yet you may have noticed that
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there's a completely different look to that film compared to previous Pixar
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films because instead of manually um
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programming lighting they're actually having the lighting Just Bounce Around
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the way that it normally would making it much more natural looking so we were
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thrilled to get an early look at the k6000 the added memory and other
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features allows artist to see much more of the final scene in realtime
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interactive form and allows many more artistic
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iterations um and then uh niss is saying
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that they can view they can pull up almost an entire car in like realistic
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life lifelike realism to you know look
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at things and Tinker with it and all that kind of stuff and then they have
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another one from Apache um that combined
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with Leap Motion could be really cool oh yeah I know right Compu are computers
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are changing um so yeah Apachi is energy
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for energy exp exploration they're saying Drilling in the wrong place can be a multi-million dollar mistake and
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the k6000 gives the edge to make better
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decisions wow that's a little bit blunt
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yeah it's like yeah we needed this power
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otherwise yeah all the dollars just byebye so in addition to all of
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that I would like to settle once and for
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all that just because a graphics card
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costs $5,000 versus something like a
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Titan that costs $1,000 and is actually built on the same architecture that has
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nothing to do with gaming
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performance these cards are not gaming
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cards they use workstation grade memory
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for example because you can't afford to make a mistake they have the full
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capability of their double Precision calculations that they need to do they
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have software features that are not enabled on desktop Parts they are bended
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to a higher degree of quality they are expected to last longer run under lower
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thermal EnV run inside lower thermal envelopes for example the quadro and
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Diesel's workstation on the desktop side
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or for the for the graphics side the GeForce side was a dual slot cooler his
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is a single slot cooler because it's a better Bend part and they were able to
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achieve that with that particular card so guys I'm so tired of seeing uh Builds
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on PC part picker that are like yeah I did an ultimate build I put in four
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quadrant no you didn't because that's not for gaming so there you go uh why
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don't we do a quick Twitter Blitz and uh I'll I'll do this blitz while you get
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Lou on the line sure sure do you have the snowball set up oh yep oh oh oh um
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oh I'll figure it out here sweet all
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right all right cool actually uh I've got I've got comms I've got comms up
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here is uh yeah yeah L he's in the channel already l in the channel already
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so we should be ready to go pretty quick after this Twitter Blitz here guys here
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we go I have an i5 3450 I want to
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upgrade an m a designer I use Photoshop and Maya any suggestions um you know
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what you're going to get a bit of a performance increase especially if you go for something like a K series
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processor a 4670k and overclock it or even a 4770k because you will be able to
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take advantage of hyper reading with that said if um if your workloads
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perform well on an AMD pile driver chip something like an 8350 is a great value
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but um you know what I guess what I'd probably do is 3770k for you because you
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don't have to change your board and um
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and you're going to get you're going to be able to take advantage of hyperthreading as well as potentially
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overclocking that CPU can you run games in multim monitor
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across um oh okay yeah unbox therapy is
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ready to go but we're not quite ready for for just yet so uh I'm going to
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finish this blitz there you go uh you guys really need to look at the camera
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more rather than talking just to yourselves thank you Muhammad for the feedback um there's only so much we can
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do someone asks Afterparty yes there will be an Afterparty I made a video
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about the ASUS 4k display they used a the ifinity for merging two halves of
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the display oh PC per made a video about it cool going live in about 10 minutes
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come say hi Oh thanks for tweeting that Lou um you know what let's go back and
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let's see what some of the oh the Apple TV got moved any air water coolers that
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would be good for overclocking at 3570k something like an h100i would be a great
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choice yeah yeah on the air cooling side
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um I love the Silver Arrow NH
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hd4 these are all high-end Solutions you can also pick up a hyper 212 plus like
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like the masses uh 12K setup how will the GPU keep up with this it'll be quite
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difficult we need more GPU power apparently we're on the front page of
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twitch that's outstanding that's awesome should I get you should get neither of
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those things they are both wastes of money just outright wastes of money oh
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you you know what we should do a video on like just how utterly asinine it is
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to buy a low-end graphics card we'd have to get one we'll just buy it they only
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cost like $20 so who cares really I've never even looked I know no I've
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actually never looked at the price of like like the price to Performance ratio
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of these cards is just broken it's just horrible don't even bother slick have
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you played Skyrim legendary Edition yep and have you gotten into Clos beta even
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if I that would be under NDA even if I was
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I farted on the laptop and a little bit of smoke came out of it okay all right
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so let's go ahead and have Lou join us then at this point because apparently
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things have gotten a little bit silly so I'm going to go ahead and add a media
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file where we have a oh diesel didn't
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put it in the this folder but it's okay because cuz I got this i got this i got
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this L unbox therapy bam there's a
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portrait there's the guy who will be joining us right
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about now hey Lou how are you he will be
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connected in a second he'll be connected in a second yep oh all right he's got to
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turn on his mic so Lou apologizes in advance for his microphone it's
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apparently not that great I haven't heard it yet but not that B it's not
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terrible but L you're going to want to mute the
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stream over there how about now how about now am I
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there yet you are
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here you guys all right there we
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go jumping down sorry hello hello hello
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you are live
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yeah we can turn him up a little bit I
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think all right so you are our very
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second special guest and uh we are extremely excited to have you join us do
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you want to take just a brief moment and uh sort of introduce yourself to the
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audience those of you who AR familiar can't hear you um let me see there's
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something going on here he can't hear us apparently oh okay okay well in that
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case he you guys I'll say a little bit
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about what uh oh hold on I wonder if it's our fault
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still pretty quiet I can't hear
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anything just using this just using it
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okay yeah and it shows if it shows a light there it means it's picking up
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hear you guys I don't know if you can hear me or not uh oh hold on let's uh
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let's hit him on the chat should I try and jump out and jump back I got it I
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got it you can hear me but I can't hear you
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yeah I think our audience can hear
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you okay Lou's going to try reconnecting so I'm going to give you guys a little
27:35
bit of a brief history of unbox therapy
27:38
so unbox therapy is a channel that as you may or may not have deduced at this
27:43
point is centered around the concept of
27:46
unboxing as a way to clearly demonstrate
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a product and to really give people that hands-on experience yeah you can hear me
27:55
but um when we tested it earlier I heard
27:58
you uh loud and clear now nothing I could just see the
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chat
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mhm okay well here we
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go wait what's that this is also your
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okay so if you close that one is it possible that'll address it I guess it's
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possible it shouldn't really but okay I'm going to turn it off and start it
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again Lou can you hear me
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oh
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boy well we're having one of those moments here
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guys we are going to try no I just checked that we did test this before the
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show so uh it worked totally fine worked 100%
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correctly I don't think I don't think it's my end only because I didn't change
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anything I literally let this thing sit here prior to uh the stream and I was
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talking earlier when we did the test run all right I think I don't know why I
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can't hear you guys though okay we're going to relaunch
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comms and we'll be back in just tight and leave it the way it
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is okay there we go let's try this one more time so I've had a bit of a monkey
29:24
wrench thrown in my whole introduction of Lou
29:29
oh monkey wrenches love Mony wrenches
29:32
it's hard to do a topic in the meantime if we're trying to get audio running
29:36
here uh that is a good point although I can do a other random topic sure go for
29:42
it give me one quick second to jump onto something
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here that was a community item so I'm going to have to find something that
29:48
isn't because I can't link to the screen that's going to be interesting uh
29:53
there's a case starter project that got destroyed basically oo I wanted to talk
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about this with Lou okay
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okay oh I got you
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now I I was a little bit worried there for a minute but the wonders of
30:26
Technology oh wow um yeah a little bit
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of background I I guess I I think I started by accident um I I just uh
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wanted to make the same kind of videos I guess that oh is am I too
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quiet who's
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quiet oh my
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God I can hear you guys I can hear you guys perfectly but I don't think anybody
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can hear anyone
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else who oh boy okay can the stream hear
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us now everyone said they can just hear Lou
31:15
and apparently Lou broke the uh the entire internet so um hold on a second
31:21
let's go ahead and try try something
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here oh boy you got to tell him to come over
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oh it's Windows oh my God hey okay this doesn't
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work now are we good no I don't think so
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oh yes we're good boom it was Windows
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blaming me well could have been your fault just as easily as anything else it
32:24
was all right so Lou tell us about unbo
32:28
therapy tell us how you got started on this stuff and hopefully they can
32:31
actually hear you this time right I I see some comments saying Lou Lou is fine
32:35
so I guess they can hear me um we're good now what's up everybody thank you
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for having me on uh the show today first of all I want to get that out of the way
32:45
and uh yeah to answer your question I've been doing this for about two and a half
32:49
years I think and uh in the beginning it
32:52
was pretty it was Amateur hour and we've
32:55
sort of slowly improved improved the
32:59
operation uh and and added a little bit of production value and had had a couple
33:03
of different people working on it and uh I guess our approach since since the
33:08
beginning was to sort of add some cinematic value to the process of making
33:12
Tech videos or making product based videos so when did you feel like it
33:17
really exploded for you I mean I know that already because I've been keeping a
33:21
very close eye on you since you had around oneth the number of subscribers
33:26
you have now by the way congratulations you broke 500,000 I believe
33:30
today uh yeah I think yeah either today or yesterday um yeah pretty crazy just a
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lot of people but um yeah I think uh for
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me it probably picked up somewhere I want to say like maybe a year and a half
33:45
in or something like that where I realized that this was a real thing that
33:49
people were doing professionally and I guess I I I started
33:53
to put a different level of focus onto it and to be honest with you like I I
33:57
mean I love doing it at this point in time I really couldn't imagine you know
34:01
having a regular day job or something like that this is uh it really I mean it
34:05
gets cliche because a lot of people say it but it's it's one of the best things to do as as you
34:10
know I I really do we're uh we're both
34:13
in very unique positions where where we have these huge established audiences
34:18
and it gives the flexibility to try things and to experiment and to start to
34:23
have some fun with it now I wanted to talk to you about this before we really
34:27
dive into some of our regular W show topics I get asked this all the time and
34:33
I have my sort of standard response that I usually say but people ask me how do I
34:38
get started on this
34:41
right yeah I know it's uh you could have
34:45
you could have an inbox full of those question on a daily basis and I was on
34:49
actually on a broadcast yesterday and we sort of covered a similar topic because
34:54
uh you know honestly when I started out I didn't I ever I don't think I reached
34:59
out to anyone with that particular question and part of that had to do I
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guess part of that had to do with me making some assumptions maybe some
35:07
educated assumptions that that this having having success in this particular
35:12
arena being such a new one was going to require some Ingenuity and some trial
35:16
and error and all of those things and so when people ask me for a set of
35:21
guidelines I mean there are way too many variables that play for me to give you a
35:25
Playbook on how to get viewers on YouTube YouTube or how to have success
35:28
or how to add subscribers because at the end of the day you're making a piece of
35:32
entertainment and what people find entertaining or what people are drawn
35:37
towards is relatively subjective how do you know before getting into it whether
35:41
or not you're entertaining or whether or not people give a [ __ ] about what you're
35:44
saying I mean you just don't know until you try absolutely I think that's a very
35:50
good point and the the the the funny thing about that is that was one of the
35:54
things that made me notice you and what you were doing because up until then as
35:59
far as Tech unboxings went there was only a maybe a handful of guys who were
36:06
my size or bigger or even close and what
36:10
I noticed about the approach that you had was it was completely different from
36:14
what anyone else was doing where you were taking on boxing and you were
36:18
putting your own spin on it and I think a lot of people I mean a lot of people
36:22
send me their gameplay videos or their uh let's plays hey lonus can you check
36:26
this out and give me your feedback and I kind of look at it and I go well what have you done that's different and I
36:31
think that might be the solution right I mean it's never it's never a bad idea to
36:37
innovate uh you know you can't go the other way where you try so hard to do
36:40
something unusual and it could be terrible too so I mean I mean it it it
36:47
really requires some attention to detail and some attention to uh the reaction of
36:52
your viewers I mean you do have to listen you do need to pay attention if
36:55
you can't answer every single comment or engage with every single user you can at
36:59
least read through some stuff and and and sort of get an idea of what's
37:02
working and what isn't working and and that really helps you to edit yourself
37:07
because that's what that's one of the most difficult things to do uh in this
37:11
business when you're working in relatively small companies or even by
37:14
yourself in the beginning is how do you how do you determine what to leave in
37:17
and what to take out it's very difficult when when it's only yourself working on
37:21
it absolutely and you know what I think this leads into one of our discussion
37:25
topics really well small inter interaction versus big interaction so
37:30
things like Twitter Vine Instagram versus Facebook go+ YouTube how do you
37:37
how do you feel that these things complement each other or compete with
37:41
each other you know um this is a this is a
37:46
pretty interesting topic to me like I I'm I have a a pretty significant level
37:51
of interest at least I think so in in social media and how it all uh affects
37:56
my business I mean I guess the same could be said for a lot of other businesses but mine in particular I
38:00
think I think you could you can really notice a huge increase in your traction
38:04
if if you can get a grip and get a handle on social media um especially
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with with when we get into another topic that we're going to talk about today regarding the subboxes on YouTube but um
38:14
but but but before we get there it's like yeah um Facebook I recently I recently
38:20
switched my P my regular human profile to one of what they call a brand page
38:25
and uh after doing that I noticed a couple of things that occurred first of
38:29
all I was reaching fewer people but uh
38:32
as a as a side effect of that it meant that some things were modified in my
38:36
account where I wasn't getting the same number of personal interactions in my
38:39
inbox because for for somebody who gets a lot of communication in inbox whether
38:45
it be on YouTube or Facebook is an incredibly terrible place to communicate
38:49
um because horrible because what ends up happening is that you end up
38:54
communicating with one individual with your answer nothing is public and as a
38:58
result you end up answering the same thing a hundred different times and when
39:02
you're when you're when you become uh
39:05
you know a glorified uh Administration person you can't be making videos it's
39:10
impossible to to handle both so I much prefer Twitter from that standpoint
39:14
because the conversations are generally public and mostly public and they're
39:18
short and so short when you have social
39:21
interaction on a format like Twitter uh essentially the the comments become or
39:26
the the at messages become like headlines like in a newspaper and when
39:30
you scan a newspaper you can easily sort through what is the relevant information
39:34
what do I need to get back to um you can triage the news essentially and your and
39:39
and the communication that your audience has with you becomes news uh versus this
39:44
little thing off in private somewhere in an inbox that H that is very difficult
39:49
to triage very difficult to quickly look at an inbox and say this is important
39:53
this is not important and and where where can I start to work I mean I
39:57
basically avoid inboxes at all costs now uh Twitter Twitter is probably your best
40:02
chance to get in touch with me and to get a response because at least I know
40:05
if I respond to you other people can then go look at that response if they
40:09
have the same question absolutely and I mean I think uh one of the strengths of
40:13
Twitter leading into our next discussion topic which is why is the YouTube
40:17
subscription feed always broken yeah um I have heard I have heard
40:23
some people some other YouTubers that I communicate with that have had contact
40:26
with Google Google themselves and I have heard that it is intentionally broken um
40:32
and and and the theory behind that is similar to what's happening on Facebook
40:36
right now which is that people are inundated with content that the power
40:40
users are subscribed to so many channels that uh it becomes difficult for YouTube
40:45
to figure out what it is that they actually want to watch and that's why I think they moveed to that activity feed
40:50
or what to watch next on mobile devices I think they think better than they
40:54
think they know better than you do as far as what you want to watch and so
40:59
they can use possibly they could be using a previous viewership data to
41:04
decide whether or not a subscription you have is something that you watch every
41:08
single time and whether or not to feed that back into the subbox OR to rec put
41:13
a some recommended video there or to uh
41:16
you know to leave it out uh I think this is especially a problem when you produce
41:19
a ton of content especially like you guys do um if you're putting up two
41:24
three four videos in one day it seems to
41:27
that the likelihood that that video is going to get lost and not reach the boxes becomes that much more likely
41:33
absolutely this is very true and this is one of the reasons for the longest time
41:37
I completely ignored Twitter Facebook and all of that stuff because partly
41:41
because it didn't really matter to me because I was working at a retailer I had my day job YouTube was a side
41:46
project for me but also partly because
41:50
um or not that well that's why I ignored it um and then the reason I started
41:54
paying attention to it was because of
41:57
needing to own the audience in a in a
42:00
way that goes beyond um you know Google's Divine will and how they've
42:07
decided that you should be allowed to interact I mean there's so many things
42:10
on YouTube that you look at that are look like they're broken on purpose
42:13
things like the subscription feed things like the inbox this is the creator of
42:19
Gmail and the conversation thread
42:22
concept yep YouTube has the worst inbox
42:25
in the world it's true yeah I don't I
42:28
don't I mean it really doesn't look like their intention is for people to enjoy
42:33
using the the inbox the inbox right now
42:37
I mean they could they could completely get rid of the Inbox and I'd be fine
42:40
with it absolutely and there are other things that are exactly the same looking
42:45
at like uh they don't want you to have access directly to your audience they
42:49
want to control that so things like how you used to be able to back in the day
42:53
this is maybe before your time but you used to be able to go through a list
42:57
of every single one of your subscribers that's true yeah yeah I recall such a
43:02
thing gone yeah they don't want you to
43:05
know as a user sorry as a user one thing
43:09
that annoys me is there's channels that I subscribe to this actually happened to
43:13
me a few days ago I briefly mentioned it to you there's channels that I
43:16
subscribed to like a year or two ago because I watched their stuff and
43:20
enjoyed it and then watched a random video by them recently when oh that's
43:24
really cool I should subscribe to these guys realize I was already subscribed to
43:29
them and went that's interesting I check YouTube almost every day and I've never
43:33
seen one of their videos in my subscription fee right which is nuts
43:38
because yeah I think I think I don't think you're the only one who's had had
43:41
an experience like that I get messages on Twitter um fairly regularly that that
43:46
things aren't reaching the subbox and you end up figuring out that the ones
43:50
who end up being that percentage that watch every single video they're they're
43:54
your super fans they're the ones who actually go out of their way to visit
43:57
the channel to verify that they that they've seen everything and and what
44:01
what's worked out on the network in terms of the number of fans that fit
44:05
into that category is about like 10% you know which is a which is pretty sad when
44:10
you think about it because you would assume that clicking a subscription
44:14
button is a fairly committal kind of thing it's like you know you're you're
44:18
saying that you want to see more content so the idea that only 10% of people
44:24
after the fact actually follow through on that seems pretty hard to believe
44:27
I think for me if I look at the analytics numbers because we can see
44:31
where views come from I think when I look at it on the videos that do really
44:36
well where it's a Hot Topic something like the Razer Blade 14 that we that we
44:40
launched a couple of days ago yeah um I'll get probably around 40,000 views
44:45
from subscribers which is exactly right there in that 10% of my total subscriber
44:51
number which is obviously a
44:54
fabrication well I mean if you've got fourou 400,000 users that share uh uh
45:00
you know the same kind of uh opinion and taste when it comes to content and
45:05
entertainment uh subject matter Etc you would assume that more than 10% would be
45:10
interested in a razor blade unboxing like that is like right in line with the
45:15
reason they subscribed so I I agree with you there seems to be something else at
45:19
play let's just hope it doesn't get to a point where we have to start paying to
45:22
reach people like on Facebook well what it started to feel like to me because
45:26
I'm looking cuz one of the one of the metrics I remember talking to you about
45:30
this uh we we ended up talking on the phone for like 4 hours or something
45:34
stupid like that this was back when I first met Lou and I think the the
45:38
conversation then was the metric that I look at for how strong a channel is is
45:43
the new subscriber growth rate how many new people click that button every
45:48
single day and I've been looking at the numbers and I go okay every day a
45:53
thousand new people click the button for both you and me sort of that 800 to a000
45:59
range why is it that when I release a video The Day After That thousand people
46:03
click maybe 10 of them or a hundred of them actually look at it they just
46:11
clicked yeah it is I mean it's it's it's pretty complicated I don't know I I
46:15
assume that there's some elaborate kind
46:18
of uh algorithm there that that figures out how they're going to distribute this
46:22
content I know they're obsessed right now with viewer viewing sessions more so
46:26
than than they are with view counts in general and they they may think that
46:30
they can recommend content to users that
46:34
might increase their SE session length
46:37
and and that that's more important to their endgame than it is for uh the user
46:42
to get what they think they want I think Google much like in a bunch of their
46:45
other products thinks that they know what we want more than we
46:48
do that's and and like I can understand
46:51
that from a certain degree but not necessarily because there's certain
46:55
types of content like Vice I like watching Vice but I'll sit down and
46:58
watch a whole thing of Vice but I don't want my entire subscription box to be
47:02
Vice other videos I'll script through it to see what I want I'll enjoy seeing
47:07
more of those than the vice videos but it'll give me less because I'm skipping
47:11
through it right whereas I might watch one or two Vice videos but I watch the
47:15
whole thing so my whole feed is always just Vice yep yeah I mean I see yeah I
47:20
mean I think like the the the Twitter model should should should work just as
47:26
well here I I don't click on every link that somebody posts but it doesn't mean
47:29
that I don't want to see their tweets that's right and if I didn't want to see
47:33
it will the unsubscriber or the unfollow buttons right there yep yep 100% I mean
47:38
there are there are a million ways to do this that are user-driven but Google
47:43
finds automated systems to be much more interesting so how do you feel as a
47:48
content creator do you feel like you need to divest from the YouTube
47:51
platform um I don't think so I mean I
47:55
think my goals have sort of changed as things as things have gone along uh you
48:01
know I think uh in in the beginning I thought AdSense was the be all and end
48:05
all like it would it would be sort of what we all relied upon but uh going
48:10
forward I realized that that real relationships meeting people uh creating
48:15
Connections in the entertainment business and elsewhere uh have the
48:19
potential to bring real value to what you're doing and to to you know
48:24
potentially give you access to resources that you never even realized you wanted
48:28
and and uh you know for me that means getting super creative like i' I guess
48:33
I've always been a creative person but I never imagined that at any point I'd be
48:36
sitting around trying to come up with the next idea for some some new video
48:40
but I think that YouTube for me rather than be uh you know my boss like I
48:46
originally looked at it now it's just um it's an outlet it happens to be the
48:50
platform the player essentially for for what I'm doing but I think that there
48:55
are probably many different ways to create businesses around the idea of
49:00
delivering video content online uh that maybe aren't necessarily YouTube I mean
49:05
I know a lot of networks all the large networks uh the first thing they'll do
49:08
when you sign with them is they will make sure that your content is places
49:12
other than YouTube I mean they'll get it on Daily Motion and they'll get it on uh
49:17
blip blip TV I mean they'll put anywhere they can put it they will put it and if
49:22
the networks continue to grow and continue to gather as much Steam and and
49:26
and be as powerful as they are and as they will be um I could totally imagine
49:31
them becoming their own conglomerate I mean the the power that exists in
49:34
networks now is is uh unbelievable I never would have imagined that that that
49:38
was what was going to happen here and it surprises me that YouTube let it
49:42
happen um yeah yeah I know it it um I
49:46
mean they're they're they're still doing it they're still letting networks Sprout
49:50
up from everywhere again I think Google is one of those companies that it's very
49:56
difficult to figure out they play such a long game you know it's like it's like a
50:00
chess match I have their their objective might be 10 steps down the road you
50:04
never really know why they make the decisions they make and at first they
50:08
might they they look really strange and and like they won't work but I mean some
50:12
of these some of those networks have have been sold recently revision 3 sold
50:17
the discovery um uh awesome awesomeness
50:20
TV sold the DreamWorks and we're talking deals in the tens of millions of dollars
50:24
maybe Google's goal in the short term is to bring some traditional Hollywood
50:29
money into the Productions that are occurring on YouTube and maybe they were
50:33
prepared to do that at a at a at a relatively large
50:36
cost we we've we've actually covered that before channels being backed by
50:41
like you just said traditional Hollywood money and it seems like it's going to
50:44
happen another topic that we have in here is
50:48
uh possible discussion is is this why
50:52
New Media has a chance to swoop in and eat traditional media's lunch uh yes I'd
50:55
like to I'd like to play this for the audience this is uh this is kind of
50:59
hilarious so hold on I'm just going to go ahead and full screen this and we're
51:03
going to switch to my laptop
51:13
here oh yay touch
51:20
screencap let's do flamingos this one flamingos elegant bird this is Long
51:24
Island not Florida knows this time the boys are going over
51:29
the if we don't finish this job we're not getting
51:32
paid and bad attitude in
51:38
fullo Island landscapers THS night at
51:48
9 so back to what I was saying that this
51:52
is why we both share view that big Hollywood money might be coming into
51:57
YouTube because we need to get away from this trash and more towards stuff that's
52:02
being produced for platforms like YouTube and this is what allowed New
52:05
Media to come and basically start eating
52:08
their lunch but now is this is this it then is the answer somewhere in the
52:13
middle where obviously like obviously
52:16
shows like Breaking Bad are going to
52:20
exist you need high production values people have an appetite for high
52:24
production values but they've also Dem demonstrated they have an appetite for
52:28
this like weird Indie content that's like guys opening boxes or you know guys
52:33
running around in sort of you know box armor hitting each other or whatever
52:37
else it happens to be was the answer somewhere in the middle where we take
52:41
that New Media creativity and that old media
52:45
money and is that what YouTube will be in five years sure or even just a
52:51
mix what do you think yeah yeah I mean
52:54
uh I think I think it's you're probably right it'll probably end up somewhere in
52:58
the middle I think what'll end up happening is guys like us regular dudes
53:02
who never intended to be where we are will likely get access to resources that
53:07
we never expected and what the outcome of that is it will be interesting to see
53:11
I don't think we're that URI is necessarily going to go out even with a
53:15
budget and necessarily make breaking bad but we might do
53:22
things we could just start a meth lab
53:25
but we you know we might do we might do things that people uh people enjoy and
53:29
didn't didn't really know that they were were going to enjoy I mean I really
53:33
think that the internet as a whole from a media delivery uh uh perspective has
53:39
has really changed uh pop culture in a
53:42
big way like I don't know in the future how easy it's going to be to Market
53:47
something as as popular to everyone when we've all become so sophisticated in our
53:52
own specific niches when we've decided like I mean you guys are on here on your
53:56
Channel and on this stream Etc talking about incredibly sophisticated things in
54:00
a particular subject matter that never could have happened on traditional media
54:04
because you needed to find a message that was suitable for millions of people
54:07
that you could you know cheaply broadcast on a dumb pipe to millions of
54:11
people all at once since that's not the case anymore I think everything's going
54:15
to get more interesting I think money in people's hands like you and I could
54:19
produce some stuff that we never even knew we wanted I think a great example
54:24
is something like video game high school too where it was crowdfunded and
54:28
actually I want to transition into some of our crowdfunding topics coming very
54:32
soon so it was crowdfunded and it is exactly what we're talking about where
54:36
it's the creativity of these and I'm not taking anything away from Freddy Wong
54:41
but relatively amateur folks they had some Talent uh but let's face it come on
54:47
their scripting is terrible the acting is terrible comparatively it's really
54:53
good for the platform it's on yes and it's really good for what they're but if
54:57
they took the creativity the mind that is Freddy Wong and they gave him the
55:01
money and the actors and the resources
55:05
maybe he's the kind of guy who could take that and really find that middle
55:09
ground and maybe Video Game High School season six or whatever his next major
55:12
project is is that thing Freddy Wong's G be huge Freddy Wong is huge yeah I mean
55:17
that's that's that's an important thing to remember I think is that you know the
55:21
the the more opportunities that a content creator has to sort of hone
55:25
their craft the better the stuff becomes if you look at our our early videos are
55:29
are likely terrible um I mean I'll speak for myself I'm not going to speak for
55:33
you oh mine are worse than yours so you know and and and as time goes on and as
55:37
you produce more content that changes and I think it I think of course it'll
55:41
be exactly the same for people like him that are working with larger budgets so
55:45
let's talk crowdfunding for a little bit we actually have a few things on the uh
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on the stream or wait no I want to hear what you think of chomecast first your
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hands on with one right yep um I've been
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I've been playing with the chomecast uh since uh yesterday I first tested it out
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and then we've been messing around with it a little bit today as well um I mean
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it's 35 bucks it's crazy like I I I
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remember as a kid sitting around thinking it would be amazing to broadcast wirelessly what's on my
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computer onto my flat panel onto my bigger TV and the the fact that we can
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do that now in HD with a device that
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that is like the size of a USB key is um
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is pretty damn impressive and so um from a technical standpoint it works
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exactly as they say it's going to work I mean you can broad you broadcast a tab from your Chrome browser you install a
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uh a little extension it takes a couple of seconds finds it automatically and
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then uh in in the YouTube app on your
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mobile device as well you you'll see a a chomecast button and you can just
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immediately move anything you're watching from the couch up onto the up
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onto the flat panel and what I said in my video was the reason that this is so
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interesting to me is because the so far the YouTube experience from the couch is
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terrible like on every device uh you know whether it's a game console or the
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Apple TV or whatever like um searching for a video trying to have that sort
57:08
sort of be a video DJ with a bunch of people sitting around has been a bad
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experience and this really changes that
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in a in a really big way and it does so at a price point that a lot of people
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are going to be interested in now I've been saying this since I saw the first
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smart TV smart TV was Dead on Arrival it
57:25
was it never stood a chance we already had things like Patriot box office and
57:31
things like the ASUS o player WD Live
57:34
our my TV live or whatever they called that thing we already had these things
57:37
which were already better than the smart
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TV implementations that we have now all these years later and now Google's
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coming along and saying $35 don't worry about that smart TV it's
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over yeah no no I completely agree I mean it's amazing you walk into a Best
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Buy or future shop or whatever and you go through the TV aisle and they want to
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charge $1,000 for for smart features or
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at least 500 and I mean now they're
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going to have a little device sitting on the shelf next to it and any sales guy
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with a head on his shoulders is going to say listen get the dumbest panel you can
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and plug this little HDMI device in and you're going to be better off cuz and I
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love how it's it's Google so anyone could have released this and if it
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worked this way well been like ah 200 bucks 250 bucks and no one would have
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blinked an eye they would have been like that's a little bit expensive but it's awesome so everyone should buy it 35
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bucks this is another example of they're thinking 10 steps ahead and like they're
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doing something completely boners
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and yeah it's definitely a lost leader um for the first bunch of sales they
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were including three months of Netflix which brought the ACT which brought the
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actual cost of the device to $11 they I think took that off yeah it's
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gone no no they they did they they sold out of that particular promo but going
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into it I mean this is a classic Google situation where they completely e either
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they do it intentionally or they underestimate the demand for the products and it becomes a [ __ ]
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show it's it's one or the it's it's one or the other I'm not sure I mean I
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haven't figured it out yet I think I think that they suck at retail to be
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honest with you so just make everything free and
59:23
just figure out how to deal with yeah yeah exactly well the funny thing was
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like a bunch of people a bunch of people rushed to order it on the Google Play
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Store right and they they had a 5-day
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lead time from those purchases and then 45 minutes later Amazon launched and it
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was available for next day delivery and so all these like enthusiasts who were
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sitting around waiting to click their Mouse button on the Google Play Store got screwed and guys like me ended up
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with it the next day aesome I I I I missed out on it
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entirely so I found someone on Twitter who who follows me who ordered two right
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away so I'm going to buy one of them off him and hopefully I'll get to play with
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it pretty soon yeah you won't you won't regret it I mean it's it's a it's a
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stupid easy device to take with you I can see carrying this thing um into
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boardrooms uh into hotel rooms hotel rooms y it's it's crazy it's it's it's
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really convenient so crowdfunding I wanted to
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talk about a couple of things so number
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one is ah yes have you heard about the
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crowdfunded Ubuntu Android
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phone it is it actually funded though
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not yet yeah they're working on it but they want an enormous amount they want
60:36
an enormous amount of money though 35 million they want to break every record
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from every Crown crowdfunding project ever they want 32 million by August
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21st yeah um what are the odds
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just I I honestly I don't I don't know I'm I'm probably GNA catch heat for this
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especially from your audience but do it I mean the what makes great phones what
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makes great consumer devices is Mass Appeal is scale you know when they when
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when you have enough users that are out there in the public using them it means you're going to have a better ecosystem
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of developers working on those devices I just don't see the value proposition of
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having this this device you know in the
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far corner of the room that you and 10 other people will have um I don't see
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how that can be all that compelling this is not the only phone they're releasing
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though this is just the super premium
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ridiculous what I'm saying is what I'm saying is are they launching a
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legitimate competitor to what's already out there or is this is this something
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that's going to be for enthusiasts and it's a very good question because you
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look at something like Blackberry 10 it was reviewed reasonably well in fact you
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had said you felt that there was a place for it slick um in the market however
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when's the last time you saw a Z1 or a Q10 in someone's hand and it's not a
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matter of is it a good platform because I think we can all agree that it's good
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but the problem is will you tear my Android device away from me or someone
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else's iOS device away from them with this one thing that I have to input on
62:15
this is BlackBerry headside loading apps this runs an entire Android operating
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system and it's switching is fast as far as I've heard even an Android phone
62:24
though okay like a a poorly supported
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Android device there will be apps all over the play store that don't work
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right with it this is a thing that exists now never mind if you plan to
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make only what do they plan to make 40,000 of them I think that was
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it I don't know that sounds about right 40,000 units is the planned run and they
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will cost around $800 and something dollar each uh the first few that got in
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got them for $600 yeah it's $830 now uh
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one of the other things that seems a little bit crazy to me is what they're
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committing right now they're committing um I believe it was a sapphire screen uh
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dual 4G so it's like a world 4G phone
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they're committing 128 gigs of storage they're committing an um undisclosed
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processor 4 and 1 half inch screen all these things except the ship date is
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going to be I believe it was April
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2014 yeah it I mean I I tend to think
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like I I I I personally think this thing's going to be a disaster myself I
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if it does end up reaching it I I just don't think that a crowdsourced phone is
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what we all need right now I I there have been crappy enough crowdsourced
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products that have come out that aren't that aren't nearly as um that aren't
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nearly as enthusiastic as trying to develop a phone using crowd money I mean
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that's just an incredibly hard thing to do one thing is it it is iCal so they're
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a company that's been around for an incredibly large period of time their software done Hardware their software
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already works and they're getting other people to do the hardware look at even someone like Samsung they are now the
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world's most profitable consumer electronics company above Apple you look
64:11
at their first iteration of anything it's terrible their first TVs terrible
64:16
their first Optical drives terrible their first phones terrible their first
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freaking appliances were terrible all
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terrible this is going to be canonical
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first attempt at a super premium high-end phone and they're only they're
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only spending a maximum of $32 million
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on something that I can tell you right now Samsung is spending a lot more than
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that an order of magnitude or two more than that yeah well Samsung spends more
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money on marketing than the market cap for HTC and Motorola combined any any of
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that you you could add up all the Android competitors and Samsung spends
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more on marketing alone than their net value so I mean it's this is this is
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there's a terrible situation out there right now for Android phone makers who
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aren't Samsung in general let alone a new player who wants to come along and
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compete in the space HTC they're flat I mean they're they're barely making any
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money and they make beautiful Hardware what another I'm going to I'm
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just continue battle both of you go ahead um another thing is this again is
65:23
not their only phone yes so they are pulling in this is funding to make sure
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that they can sell enough of them because if they can't sell enough of
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them they're not going to bother release it this isn't the only funding that's
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going into this phone they're pulling in funding from other parts of their
65:38
company they're a massive company and they always do this one thing that this
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phone is doing is closing in ecosystems so you can plug it in and it will Dock
65:46
and turn it into a whole Ubunto OS as you plug it into your computer so they
65:50
want to bring together an ecosystem they want to do this with all their phones and they're going to pull in funding
65:54
from all over the place to help this because if you watch the video they want
65:58
this to be their super car basically so that they can trickle down and then
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eventually release a phone like this which is no longer a trickle down and then have another one of these so is the
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market ready for this yet because CES 2 three years ago I was already watching
66:12
superphones being plugged into laptop
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shells that turn them into Android os's on a not a laptop shell though plug it
66:20
directly into a monitor plug it into whatever you want are we ready yet for a
66:25
phone that is more than a phone and will people care I don't know if people will
66:30
care but it doesn't matter what I'm trying to say is that they're getting funding from other parts of their
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company oh that much is true because they're trying to close up an ecos but my point with Samsung was that it
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doesn't matter how much funding they're pulling from whatever part of their company because they're not as big as
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Samsung and Samsung's first attempt at anything usually sucks yeah so I'm
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saying it might suck unless they're better than Samsung at
66:50
Hardware I don't know man I'm pretty sure I I don't remember where I read
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this but I'm pretty sure they're pulling in other influences for the hardware
66:59
there's no doubt I mean that this is a super ambitious thing I and I don't you
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know I don't mind it doesn't bother me like I think anybody out there trying to
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to innovate and create something you know is is a is a positive thing it's
67:11
going to push the entire the entire uh Market forward but at the same time if I
67:16
was a betting man like if you were asking me to invest in it I mean that's
67:20
a different that's a completely different story I didn't yep there's no
67:23
way I'm investing in a piece of hard that comes out 9 months from now I
67:27
didn't I'm I'm I'm excited for it I want to see where it's going I did not buy it
67:31
and I looked at it fast enough that I could have bought it at the cheapest
67:34
bracket and I didn't so to throw that into the pie I'm excited for the next
67:39
time they do this in the video they said that they if this works they want to do
67:42
it annually almost okay so if they do this next year and it's super successful
67:47
this year then maybe I will because that would be awesome but I want to see it
67:51
happen first so moving on to our next uh
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crowdsourcing topic uh what happens when
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these things fail so the Doom that came
68:04
to Atlantic City by the forking path Co this is not an easy update to write the
68:08
short version the project is over the game is cancelled and there's a bunch of
68:13
angry comments from backers so these are backers only the problem is we weren't
68:18
kept in the loop we've been giving false information the problem is that you know
68:23
why did we pay for him to move why did we pay for these things why was there
68:28
this ambitious goal with you know like a
68:32
$35,000 or what why was there this ambitious project that had a $35,000
68:37
goal that clearly isn't enough money to do anything and you know maybe this
68:43
isn't even the worst case scenario I mean Lou you were talking about
68:46
Kickstarter or Indiegogo or crowdfunded projects that maybe they actually make
68:51
it to Market but they totally suck how much Faith are you putting into this
68:54
stuff um I mean for me I don't put very much
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uh you know there's there's I think that a lot of the products that have come out
69:05
of it have proven to be less than what people expected and in the case of
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probably the largest product to date which was the the uh the watch the
69:13
pebble watch they they even did something strange which was move units
69:17
to Best Buy prior to fulfilling the people who paid in advance uh there
69:22
there are no rules you know when you send your money not guaranteed anything
69:27
and you're essentially enabling a group of people who you don't know to go out
69:31
and decide how they want to spend that and when they want to deliver something
69:35
back to you for that for that investment I mean I think that I think crowdfunding
69:39
could really go to the next level when you actually can get a you can actually
69:44
invest in a company you can actually get a piece of the action like that that to
69:48
me gets a lot more interesting you know when when you can say I really believe
69:51
in this to the point where I want to invest in it anywhere else in the real
69:55
world when a person makes an investment in a company they expect something back
70:00
in terms of equity you don't just expect to be pre-ordering something it it's
70:04
amazing how just a little bit of hype can drive people to pay for something
70:08
that doesn't exist and may never exist and that's exactly it is right now I've
70:13
seen good ideas crowdfunded that didn't
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make it because they did not have a slick video or they didn't have a great
70:21
presentation or the models showcasing the Prototype were ugly or whatever
70:26
other infinite number of reasons that a good idea can fail and I've seen stupid
70:30
ideas that are meeting their targets even though like you know I sort of I
70:37
sort of hate to call these guys out but it's a it's a phone case that has um
70:42
earbuds that like retract into it and
70:45
I'm just like it it it beat its Target
70:49
and I'm looking at this going like are you freaking serious like it's going to
70:53
be the crappiest earbuds in the world we already know this because they don't
70:56
know a bloody thing about your buds it's going to be a cell phone case which
71:01
shouldn't be worth more than about $4 and they I think they wanted 30 bucks
71:06
or 40 bucks for it or something stupid like that yeah I I think I think a lot I
71:11
think a lot of people fall in love with with the concept and and when you when
71:15
your product becomes a message and not an actual physical product when you boil
71:20
a product down just to its just to its advertising components you realize that
71:25
that's actually where the magic is like when when when a company tries to
71:28
convince you to buy buy something gener generally speaking you know leading up
71:33
to that actual purchase is when you're the most excited once you've actually
71:36
got it that excitement starts to you know uh you know sort of yeah ex platus
71:41
or hopefully if you like the product at plateaus it might even go down if it's
71:45
not what you expected but that's what they're doing they're playing off that
71:48
initial moment when you think wow that would be cool and they're selling you
71:52
something within that moment so it's sort of it's almost in a way like some
71:56
new kind of advertising platform where
72:00
where they're capitalizing at the point of advertisement instead of waiting for
72:04
the production to take place it's The Simpsons monor rail episode all over
72:07
again now YouTube slammed it I'm gonna again come from the other side at the
72:11
same time the whole thing about Kickstarter if you read anything up
72:14
about it and Indiegogo the customer is supposed to read the article a lot of
72:20
times they don't a lot of things have been released where they did not do the
72:23
research that's the customer's fault and even though it failed that sucks you're
72:27
taking a gamble with your money you're playing a game with your money you're
72:31
going okay this looks interesting I want it and I want to keep be informed on it
72:36
and I want updates on it I want to know everything that's going on about it so you put money down for a segment of
72:41
something so you might get something back you might get information only you
72:44
might get your name in the game you might get your face in the game you might get whatever say it's a game it
72:49
could be something else you need to look into it and make sure read up on the
72:53
people read up on the product make sure it's going to work a lot of the times
72:57
the only things I I've backed quite a few things on Kickstarter a lot of the
73:00
things I will only back them if they're mostly produced already I don't want to
73:05
back something if the guy's like yeah I have a cad model of it and like it might
73:10
work that's pretty cool I'm going to back something when he's like yeah this
73:13
is my prototype it works look boom boom
73:17
it's awesome I just need to produce a bunch of them I need money to get into manufacturing that makes a lot more
73:22
sense for me when he goes I've talked to these people they've said that they can
73:26
manufacture this many units at this price I need this much money to make it
73:29
happen that's something I'm going to back right I've only backed one thing so
73:33
far Star Citizen that was it and it was only because Chris Roberts has a
73:38
longtime tradition of success and he had
73:42
a great idea and concept and he had enough footage enough ingame gameplay
73:47
that he was releasing and showing that I was confident that it was worth dropping
73:51
my money on big name research done by the purchaser all that kind of stuff so
73:56
Kickstarter is not bad just don't use it poorly no no no I I I want to be clear
74:01
too it might come off like I'm bashing it I absolutely love the idea of it I
74:05
think the idea of crowdfunding is fantastic but I think that there's the
74:09
potential here that if enough people get screwed it can be that sort of one
74:13
rotten apple situation where it can spoil the public perception about the
74:17
entire platform so it's important that they make it very clear how you're
74:21
supposed to engage with it as an end user because if there's enough press
74:24
about about bad things occurring then
74:27
some things like this might not H have the same Traction in the future and I
74:30
don't want to see that happen because I like the idea of a producer being able
74:35
to go and reach directly to the audience without nearly as many middlemen as were
74:38
traditionally required tell okay tell me something as a
74:43
business owner so I've really liked your your thought about somewhere in between
74:48
private investment and going IPO full-blown what about a crowd investment
74:55
that's not an investment in the product because that's another one of the things I agree with you 100% that's absolutely
75:00
ridiculous I'm not giving my money upfront so that I can have a spot in
75:05
line that's that's absurd I mean it's
75:08
illegal in the USA to charge actually
75:12
this is kind of funny it's illegal in the USA to charge someone's credit card
75:15
for a back order before you ship it that's
75:19
right yet but can can they not do a pre-authorization on it yes they can do
75:25
preauthorization but if I'm giving you my money I want something besides a spot
75:31
in line and is that potentially the future of this where if unbox therapy
75:36
you know LLC or Linus Media Group Inc
75:39
decides to get investment we could crowdfund investment in terms of an
75:44
actual ownership in the company um that that is currently
75:49
illegal in the United States I don't I don't know about Canada uh but there is
75:54
talk that eventually things might might
75:57
end up going in that direction but the TR the only the trouble I have there is
76:01
that it's kind of like an amplification of the problems we already talked about
76:05
where if the end user doesn't do their research and understand what they're
76:08
getting involved in it could bring a lot of heat onto the entire platform and and
76:13
it could it could end up being fairly destructive so it would need you would
76:17
need to have some kind of authentication system to determine if people were a
76:21
good fit I think that the the producer would have to look at each person's uh
76:27
submission and determine whether or not they wanted to work with that person and
76:30
accept even if even if it's a tiny little stake you would have to look at
76:34
it and do uh some some quick analysis to determine whether or not you wanted to
76:38
accept that uh bid and that's actually a very good
76:42
point because that's one of the reasons that Linus Media Group Inc doesn't have
76:46
any private investors uh we had offers we had people who wanted to throw some
76:51
funding at us at the beginning um in order for to have a stake of the company
76:56
and for me it wasn't even a matter of do
76:59
I mind giving up a stake because it's other than it being a phenomenal amount
77:03
of paperwork it's not really the end of the world I still get to pay myself a
77:07
salary so you know I'll be fine um and
77:11
it wasn't necessarily a matter of basically the problem was do I want
77:17
to work with this person and if you did a crowdfunded type of initiative like
77:23
this you're working so many people you have to answer to so many people
77:29
y it's kind of yeah I did listen I I did
77:32
one before and it was not the most fun experience ever yeah your ultimate uh
77:37
ultimate gaming build yeah it's it's
77:41
it's it's a it's a really strange way to interact with people you've never
77:46
met you know that's that's the bottom line it's
77:49
like you know ultimately people I mean
77:52
I'm sure you've the whole keyboard Warrior thing thing you know how this works when people have anonymity online
77:57
and they're not a face and they're not a person that has to answer you know with
78:01
a face attached to it all of a sudden what they're saying and how they're saying it changes
78:07
drastically absolutely it's a really good point okay I think I had one more
78:12
topic that I really wanted to discuss with Lou here before we uh before we
78:17
said thank you very much for for joining us I'm just trying to see if I can find
78:21
it here plastic iPhone oh yeah the plastic iPhone so I'm I'm going to go
78:25
ahead I'm going to fire this up and I'm going to just let the viewers check out
78:28
the video a little bit here if they haven't already
78:35
sure so guys this is all considered speculation at this point in oh there's
78:39
a pizza ad I used to I used to be able to spin pizzas spin dough I worked at
78:45
pizza shop good job hey guys Mike Detroit with the sneak peek of the new
78:50
plastic iPhone so this is just the back shell of the phone as you can see
78:54
integrates all the chassis components as well so we don't have our battery or the
78:58
display or anything like that we just have the chassis components like the EM Shield the frame for the okay that's
79:04
that's basically the point the video goes on for about six minutes but uh I I
79:09
don't know I don't know how much more there is to say about it than that it's a little bit thicker than an iPhone 5
79:14
it's obviously going to be cheaper than an iPhone 5 how how many times has Steve
79:20
Jobs spun in his grave at this point in the very short time that he's been pass
79:24
pass away my my comment directly on the document was just how pissed would jobs
79:29
be because
79:33
yeah I I mean well the the 3G was had a
79:37
plastic back yes but they moved beyond
79:41
that and I don't think jobs ever believed in moving backwards the
79:45
original iMac was a plastic CRT after
79:48
that did he ever go back to a plastic iMac no yeah I mean plastic is I mean
79:54
that's one of my my most major criticisms of the uh of the S4 the S4
79:59
the the the texture of the plastic on the S4 is so slimy it's um it just does
80:05
it just doesn't have that same sort of feel it doesn't feel like a high quality
80:09
material I mean these These are going to be cheap these are going to be the first Apple's first foray into the I suppose
80:15
the budget market and have and and their F definitely their first foray into
80:18
having multiple devices available in the phone segment so um I think there's
80:23
pretty much one reason they did not not there's two reasons I guess there's the
80:27
expense so they could sell them cheaper and second they're going to do colors
80:31
and they've had incredible success in the past with the iPod lineup going you
80:35
know having different colors for a different audience and I don't know I
80:39
mean I personally don't care that much about colors but I guess there's
80:42
probably a youthful audience out there that might even iPods were anodized
80:47
metal later on in the product cycle or later on in the in the product
80:51
development and I mean the reason I think they're doing this is pure uh dick
80:56
measuring for lack of a better word you
80:59
look at Samsung smartphone shipments versus Apple's iPhone shipments for Q2
81:04
Samsung sold about double what Apple does is that because they're selling a
81:08
bajillion in one S4s okay partially yes yeah they didn't Apple hasn't launched a
81:12
new phone yes so Apple hasn't launched a new phone and in addition to that Apple
81:18
doesn't have a lowcost volume mover in
81:22
order to maintain their dominance with the with theore if they want to
81:27
keep having as many downloads as gole play which I don't think has Google
81:31
passed them already if not it's very close yeah I'm not sure total number of
81:36
downloads that I don't know I think I think that the App Store still has more
81:40
yeah I think I think for total of all time I'm pretty sure they're but they
81:44
have a they have a Long Head Start and I think they're not that far ahead anymore
81:48
last time I looked at it so there's two things here so number one is I think
81:52
apple is afraid in that measuring contest that is how many units of phones
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are you selling and number two is I think they want to maintain iOS as the
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premier development mobile platform for
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developers to really be attracted to um
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and I wonder if either of those are the right approach because you look at what
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brought about the success of os 10 and it wasn't Apple being afraid of having
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6% market share they were content to have 6% market share but they did what
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they believed was right whether it was right or not is a whole other
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conversation but they did what they believed and it looks like that's
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turning around now with the iPhone where instead of doing what they believe is
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right and what they believe is correct they're doing what investors are
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demanding or what you know yaho that
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email them are telling them that they think they should do I don't think cook
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has the balls they're going for those happy metrics instead of what is really
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deep down what they should be going for because of exactly what you just said which I don't necessarily feel like
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repeating um but I I think you're right
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yeah yeah they've they've been making Mass Market decisions for a while now I
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mean you you can look at some of their decisions with the pro lineup I mean
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they didn't update the Mac Pro for well ye years now maybe five years that was
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terrible you know and and they um you
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know they've going been going with more embedded Solutions where systems aren't
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as upgradeable as they once were um you know one of the most major consumer
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decisions they made was to put their stores in malls where if anybody does
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any research on malls you know that like
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eight out of 10 people at any given time in a mall are females um I I remember I
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remember I'm not trying to be sexist or anything but generally speaking
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enthusiasts are males um if you look at your analytics of your channel you know
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that but um but anyway yeah it's it's
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they've made been making decisions the whole way that have been Mass Market
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decisions where they want to reach consumers who they don't care if they
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were previously their consumers they're always targeting
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uh new users even though their loyalty numbers have traditionally been been
83:59
incredible but one of the things just regarding development that Still Remains
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to be um that there that where their dominance is is in getting people to pay
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for apps yeah because because on the Android side as many downloads as are
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going on and as as many developers are focusing in that area you'll see an app
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that costs $4 on iOS and the developer has to give it away for free with ads on
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on the Android side because the user base has a different mentality regarding
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uh you know the the purchasing of an app um the App Store claims to have uh the
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largest database of credit cards of any e-commerce site uh next to next to
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Amazon so tell me this will a cheap
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phone turn that around will it will we
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be attracting more cheap skates to the iOS platform who aren't willing to pay
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for an app because um it was actually I I was T I was on a message board for for
84:54
an app that I absolutely love air video it's awesome it's iOS only because the
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developer basically came out and said in this thread uh we don't give any cares
85:03
about Android because we're not convinced any of those users will give us any money whereas we have a very
85:08
healthy business supporting iOS developing this iOS app that we believe
85:13
is the best in the market and it really is it's so much better than anything
85:17
else it's smooth it's perfect um and we
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are going to stick with that because this is the horse that got us here do
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you think that creating a cheapo iPhone
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or like a value iPhone will erode that
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premium mentality that an that an iOS user has and that willingness to
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pay um I mean there's there's obviously
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the potential for it but it's hard to imagine that an end user would walk home
85:46
with a new iOS device I mean even if that's an iPod Touch for that matter and
85:50
not launch into the app store and see what's hot on the charts I mean that's
85:54
just the next thing that you do I see kids who have iOS devices and their
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parents credit cards are hooked up to them because it's it's a payto playay
86:03
type ecosystem you know we've had a lot of problems like that recently there was
86:08
there was that Mom who had like a $6,000
86:11
charge on a credit yeah because of the in inapp purchases yeah it was a kids
86:15
game and they kind of shrouded that they were really purchases to make them like
86:19
an adult would be like okay this is a purchase but it was slightly shrouded
86:23
and it wasn't big complicated process to buy something so the kids just whatever
86:28
yeah yeah and there's like a class action I think on that particular app
86:32
against that particular app but yeah it's there you you boot into the iOS
86:35
ecosystem and you realize pretty quickly that if you're going to participate in
86:39
any meaningful way you need to connect the credit card and that just doesn't
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happen when you boot into the Google Play
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Store yep you know so whether the device
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is cheaper or not if you want to utilize it you you kind of that's just the
86:54
approach they've taken all right well that's uh that's a
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very interesting take on it and I don't I don't disagree actually I guess we'll
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have to see what happens because the reality of it is iPhone 4 has been
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available as a value option for Z with
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contract at least here in Canada for a while yeah and and they've continued to
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sell a ton of them still a great phone I'm you know I
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love the HTC1 but I if I had to go back to using my iPhone 4 today I Wouldn't
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Die I'd be fine no and yeah and there are there are
87:26
certain things that you I mean on both sides on both platforms that each one
87:30
does better than the other it's just it's not a very clear argument that
87:34
particular one it's what I hate getting into that argument probably more than
87:37
any other and I probably run into it more than any other the whole iPhone
87:41
versus Android all right well thank you so much
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for joining us um do you want to do a quick plug for your channel before you
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go oh sure yeah um so I'm available uh
87:55
unbox therapy on Twitter or youtube.com/ unbox therapy and yeah I make videos
88:00
about consumer products and talk about consumer products and so if you want to
88:05
check out more then that's the place to do it or anyone who thinks we're
88:09
competitors guys that is uh totally ridiculous we even cover the same
88:14
products sometimes but it's a very different style from what we do here
88:19
yeah for sure no we're we're all cool I mean um it's really I think it's really
88:24
valuable to connect with people of like mind in this in this space just because
88:27
it's so new and moving so quickly that um having success depends on it all
88:33
right thanks so much Lou I really appreciate you joining us and thank you
88:36
very very much for
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joining all right I think he's gone so guys remember our live guests every week
88:46
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deal just before we jump into the Twitter Blitz um because I'm assuming
89:10
that yeah we're going to do a Twitter blitz so guys hit us on Twitter right
89:14
now I wanted to jump onto our seemingly
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weekly EA news oh I know right poor EA
89:22
here let me bring let me bring this this up cuz it's just like it's terrible as
89:29
usual it's find it yeah is this is this
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the one oh no yeah there we go boom Oh
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EA I don't even like the the thing is
89:39
everything that we talk about is newsworthy I know it just happens to
89:43
always be them so the original Madden programmer wins 11 million in a lawsuit
89:50
against EA and the worst part is H EA
89:54
this is just the tip of the
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iceberg brutal oh
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yay so basically he developed Madden for
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MS DOS Commodore Apple 2 like a long time ago and has an
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agreement with them where they have to pay him royalties for every release on
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derivative Works which basically amounts to anything with Madden in the title
90:20
yeah and they've been releasing Madden games for well since then yeah so and as
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far as I know they haven't ever paid out I don't think they have ever paid out I
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I don't know why he waited so long but as of now they owe him a lot of money so
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basically the Court's ruling um so hold
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on so the $11 million has been awarded for games it looks like prior to
90:45
1996 the Court's ruling also gives antick the ability to pursue the same
90:50
claims against EA for games released after 199
90:54
where revenues exceed $3
90:59
billion so maybe that is the answer maybe the trick is find your un employer
91:05
who's stupid enough to sign a royalty deal build something for them with a
91:09
clause about derivative works I mean honestly the fact that EA signed
91:13
anything to do with royalties for derivative works is insane they probably
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forgot this was so long ago like so
91:21
incredibly long ago they probably just forgot the fact that anyone at EA was
91:26
ever stupid enough to sign anything like
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royalties for derivative works is just
91:33
that's not that surprising oh come on now they made Sim City online
91:41
only okay but I mean at least there's a
91:44
rationale there I mean maybe the rationale for him was that they didn't
91:47
want to pay him very much money um so
91:50
they just kind of signed whatever they did I mean some of the best movie deals
91:55
have been on ones where the film wasn't expected to do very well so the you know
91:59
principal actor says okay well just give me 1% of the revenue and it's like yay
92:05
payche yeah yeah so I think he doesn't
92:09
have to work anymore at any rate yeah no
92:12
although if he developed it for Doss Commodore and Apple
92:16
2 he might be around that not working any more range already yeah but now he
92:21
gets to not work and sit on a boat sort of
92:24
like high class baller yeah with like a
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pool full of ladies that are just there because you
92:32
know they could hang out there cuz it's a nice
92:36
boat all right so let's go oh my gosh 84
92:40
new interactions on Twitter and uh let's
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go ahead and hit that would you rather buy a 3770k or a
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3820 uh I'd probably go 3770k how about
92:51
you why 3820 I don't know probably 37 do you
92:57
need 64 gigs of RAM no okay uh what are
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yours and Slick opinions on The Cooler Master quickfire TK any alternatives at
93:05
the same price point that you like so the TK is I believe the uh the sort of
93:10
10 keyless one if I recall correctly TK stands for 10 keyless so there is the oh
93:15
wait hold on which one's the one that has the arrow keys integrated into the
93:18
number pad I don't remember exactly what it's called but I'm pretty sure that one's just the 10 key list oh okay in
93:24
that case it's fine it's a Cooler Master mechanical keyboard it's a h i don't
93:29
really name of it uh your opinion on the razor
93:32
Hammerheads uh I haven't tried them yet mine actually arrived in the mail like
93:37
two three days ago so it's much to my embarrassment that I haven't had a
93:41
chance to try them yet but I'm extremely stoked to check them out and uh I've
93:46
heard that they're quite Bassy so I can already say that I they're probably not
93:49
my favorite thing in the world but my
93:52
understanding is for for $49.99 they're actually not bad the uh the overview on
93:57
a NCH was pretty positive cool do you do
94:00
you recommend Cher MX red switches not really some people do like them uh David
94:06
fitzpatricks have you ever considered delting a processor I was actually the
94:10
first one to ever delit an x6800 extreme Edition so there you go yes I have I
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don't really recommend it though and no I haven't because I don't yeah whatever
94:20
I haven't used the audio engine A5 Plus speakers unfortunately
94:25
that's that's one of the problems especially with audio equipment is like
94:28
recommending it before you've tried it is kind of sketchy yeah it's better to
94:32
just not I've heard great things about it it's one of those things I've heard
94:35
of but Apple equals new EA no nothing
94:39
Apple does is as stupid as anything that EA does I don't like apple I would not say
94:45
that yeah exactly you know what speaking
94:49
of Apple our our story you know what we're going to come back to Twitter
94:52
Blitz after cuz I wanted to get into Samsung being the
94:57
largest consumer or most profitable consumer electronics company now so
95:04
where did that go it's somewhere there
95:07
was three of it I think at one point in time did we all oh here it is did we all
95:12
put it in the dock yeah so I had to try and clean it up that dock was incredibly
95:16
messy actually all right so there you go Yahoo news in the second calendar
95:19
quarter of this year Samsung stole Apple's long-standing title with
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quarterly profit of 8.3 billion compared to Apple's 6.9
95:29
billion so that that is news and that's
95:33
fascinating so 71 million units of smartphones compared to Apple's 31
95:37
million but what I want to launch into
95:40
with this is are we really going to start calling Apple a new EA when
95:45
they're making 6.9 billion in a
95:51
quarter I mean this is is where that mentality that if a business isn't
95:56
growing exponentially you know like that uh that curve or that or that hockey
96:01
stick if a business isn't doing that then it's a failure apple is not a
96:06
failure yet they are a long way away
96:10
from being a failure they made $6.9 billion dollar selling half as many
96:16
units of smartphones as Samsung their business is extremely profitable and
96:21
extremely lucrative and they have cash cash cash to develop whatever New
96:27
Concept as long as someone shows up over there with the vision to make it happen
96:31
that they want to and like it's going to take so long to for them to fall if they
96:37
do fall like it will take an incredibly long amount of time because their
96:40
coffers are huge they have so much money
96:44
it's insane and they still will have a cult likee following of people somewhere
96:50
that will continue to buy their products so they will continue to exist even if
96:54
they're much smaller and much more Niche remember they've done this before y
96:58
they've become Niche and by becoming Niche they have blown up yes because
97:03
that happens sometimes as you'll see they become Niche and then all the professional people start using them and
97:08
then they blow up they could do that again and if at some point they figure out how to appease their professional
97:12
users again that would be a very so Tim Cook if you're watching right now
97:16
appease your professional users because they advocate for you they're dropping
97:20
off uh like I mentioned last week Freddy Wong released a big thing about how he's moving to PC well final final Cut's a
97:25
disaster now people are moving over to Adobe and Premier ain't perfect but
97:30
final Cut's a total disaster and Adobe has figured out how to get people to pay
97:35
for Creative Cloud holy crap we're
97:39
paying for Creative Cloud they've kind of gone okay let's tie together enough
97:43
value ad Services we are going to make
97:46
this a package in much the same way that
97:49
office revolutionized word processing and you know power point and Excel see
97:54
you hardly I can hardly even remember what those programs are called if I
97:57
don't call them word excel and PowerPoint anymore but that is what it
98:01
looks like adobe's doing with this Suite of products that's going to be getting
98:04
more and more tightly integrated with every generational Improvement so come
98:10
on Apple sort of rooting for you here sort of I'm not but they can still do it
98:15
um are am I using Chrome remote desktop on your laptop no I'm not I'm using an
98:20
HDMI capture device but that would be a phenomenally cool way of doing
98:25
this uh about YouTube Subs I couldn't even find that twitch was running until
98:29
I actually checked the web page can one of you explain what a
98:34
gaming keys are used
98:38
for I3 plus 650 TI or I5 with 6509 TI
98:42
I'd go I3 with 650 TI what about you depends on his use case but yeah
98:46
probably what monitors do you each use I'm using some ancient Ben Q thing but I
98:51
have two ASUS pb278 so 27 in 2560 by
98:55
1440s inbound I have pa48 Q's so we both
98:59
use auss um IPS panels I really although
99:02
at that same point in time if you're going for a cheaper IPS panel LG makes a
99:07
lot of really good IPS panels that are cheap Acer has some really nice IPS
99:11
Cheapo monitors these days so just like just because we use ASUS monitors
99:15
doesn't mean that's all you should go for with the Xbox One and PS4 both being
99:18
AMD based do you think there will be more games optimized for an AMD based
99:21
system no um is Haswell good enough for PC gaming
99:27
yes 300 a.m. watching The W show all
99:30
right I saw that EA article knew you guys were going to mention it
99:36
e love it would a 660 be good for 1080p
99:39
gaming it would be okay I wouldn't expect it to last a real long time
99:42
especially with new consoles launching they're so cheap now though have you seen the price drops on them people are
99:47
getting them for like incredibly low amounts of money all right 7970 Matrix
99:51
edition versus gtx780 GTX 780 tasty PC
99:55
has actually declined I haven't reached out to Corsair George yet but that's a
100:01
great idea and I really want to do that and JJ will be joining us next week yep
100:06
Corsair George is a great idea that's a great idea I really like George he's
100:10
awesome I love the new format of the live stream seems much more professional
100:13
and fluid except for that bit where we couldn't get Lou's uh mic going thanks
100:17
to Windows automatically adjusting the S yeah I was like people can hear him but
100:20
he's low I know that's bizarre right yeah I know that's a thing that happens
100:24
I just never really thought about the process because it's lowering xits
100:27
volume which shouldn't really yeah do you have Maximus six formula in the mail
100:31
not yet although I should probably bug JJ about it because I'm really excited about bu about it all in the live stream
100:36
so he has all that pressure yeah so he has no choice but to send us a Maximus 6
100:40
formula uh those won't fit in my case
100:44
okay then get something else NHD 14 or
100:48
Silver Arrow what are some cool things I can fill my PCI slots with sound card
100:53
yeah get a sound card you can still get a lot of PCI sound cards you can get a
100:56
zoner sdx PCI you know what there's not
100:59
much to put in an expansion slot these days I have a sound card and a raid Card
101:04
Sound raid video Yeah USB expansion ah yes so this is for
101:11
the system for Mr Wizard one of our administrators on the Linus Tech tips
101:15
Forum um we uh we arranged for him to
101:18
get a six Core Extreme Edition 980x system the one problem with that system
101:23
is didn't have an internal usb3 header to run to the usb3 front panel Port so
101:28
we picked up this Silverstone card what was it 30 bucks it it was like I think
101:32
20 or 25 but then with shipping and taxes and everything it became p e Gen 2
101:38
it's good should be able to get full bandwidth no it's like it's a nice card
101:42
silverstone's that company that just doesn't get enough credit for the cool
101:45
stuff they do because other companies have made these but one thing I found
101:49
about this is is it had everything yeah the had everything and the external
101:54
ports yeah and like oh yeah yeah
101:57
Silverstone they just I wish they would mark it better it's like what Lou was
102:01
saying where at the end of the day this can be the best USB expansion card on
102:06
the market and if Silverstone doesn't figure out how to make people desire it
102:10
with whether it's a flashy campaign or whatever else no one will ever know yeah
102:15
cuz my my computer that I hauled the lands it's an old 775 platform that
102:19
still performs fairly well but the case has usb3 on it and it's just a dead Port
102:25
because I can't now that I've seen this I'm kind of like oh if I buy one of
102:29
those that could really bring some buy one of those and an SSD that could
102:32
really breathe life back into that system but you hadn't even heard of the bloody thing up till now NE neither of
102:37
us had neither knows like it's cool that
102:40
it exists but I'd never actually I'd never needed one so I'd never looked for
102:44
one and no one has ever told me anything about it because no one seems to
102:48
care okay well we should probably do build of the week because we've been
102:51
streaming for an hour and half already over sure so bring it on builds of the
102:57
week we've got three this week actually because a certain user on our Forum
103:01
keeps on getting in here but I can't leave him out because his builds are too
103:05
good so I didn't want to like just have it so every time he build something
103:10
someone gets knocked off a build of the week so I threw him in there on the end
103:13
not because he isn't deserving but because he's already been in twice okay
103:18
so we'll we'll see when we get there so just so you guys know builds of the week
103:22
and are in the build log section of the Forum you can check them out there and
103:26
in the lonus news and ramblings or whatever section I'm going to post our
103:30
entire W show document so you can click any of the links of any of the articles
103:34
that we were discussing and all that good stuff so let's switch over here and
103:38
boom Arc underwater so this is by fail wheeel Drive I see a lot of people do
103:43
green builds but I don't necessarily see a lot of people do green builds that
103:46
well this it just looks super sharp he had to do a couple custom cuts I know he
103:51
had to do some custom cuts to his OD uh bay fit in radiator yeah so just super
103:57
sharp super clean and I love this it's
104:02
build like this like I I try and pick the best picture I possibly can but you
104:05
guys really need to go to the Forum and check out the thread because he has a
104:09
ton of really nice photos and it doesn't justify it to be in one picture right
104:14
okay um so so please go check this guy's build out it's awesome that is gorgeous
104:18
look at this look at this great pump res combo he's got going on here that makes
104:23
it extremely clean you've eliminated a couple of components he's got it uh
104:26
right looks like it's bolted to the radiator very nice really really clean
104:32
build looks really sharp and he did Green well which really like I know I
104:35
already said that but green can look kind of tacky sometimes and I like the
104:40
the color that he picked for it and everything now this one I picked an
104:43
interesting angle for the picture but you'll notice immediately why I picked
104:47
that there's window in the top there's a window in the top there's it the whole
104:51
color of the theme is very Dusty interesting so he's gone with a saber to
104:57
or rather a a tough series AMD board by
105:01
the look of things is that what that is or no as he colored the heat sinks what
105:06
is this he's done a lot of stuff he's cut
105:09
the back out here on the on the on the uh right side panel he's actually
105:13
printed Tomb Raider in big printing which looks really good he went with the
105:17
red and black text which I think was actually a good idea because that's how
105:21
it is in their logo although it suit the build better if it was all black now
105:25
again please go look at this guy's thread because you can get other angles
105:28
I had to show that top window cuz that's so cool but if you can actually get in
105:33
there in the computer you can see his color theming on everything and it's
105:36
awesome look at that he got right to the edge with that top window that's very
105:40
unique I've never seen anything quite like that super super cool you know what
105:45
probably my favorite modded build is ever also kind of window related someone
105:49
did uh do you remember the p12 SE
105:53
that mirror finish antech case someone
105:56
got a a two-way mirror and did a a side
106:01
panel window on it that if the lights inside were off was a mirror and when he
106:06
turned on the lights inside you could see all the internal components it was for sale on like Red Flag deals or
106:11
something and I was like going to buy it
106:15
has a case like that now it's like 700 bucks though oh wow now SNF this is the
106:21
guy who's been here a few times wow his builds are always amazing I
106:26
can't leave the mod of build doogs of the week but then I don't really want them to take over other people's chances
106:31
again tons of different angles i p I chose this one because it shows the
106:34
intricate intricacy of his tubing
106:37
because that's insane wow that is just
106:41
unbelievable the planning that goes into this nice straight runs always look so
106:46
much better than curved runs it's just the
106:50
truth and like he he
106:53
he made a custom label for his SSD and a custom label for his power supply that
106:58
both go with the purple Chimera theme
107:02
wow super nice yeah that's outstanding I
107:06
I've heard through multiple channels that he had to sell this one which is
107:10
unfortunate but I mean and like the graphics card looks super nice you got
107:15
but you got to see it from the other side so definitely again check out this
107:19
thread on the Forum and yeah build doogs week this
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week pretty freaking cool yeah that was
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uh that was quite the Run of awesome build logs this week all right guys I
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think that pretty much wraps it up thank
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you for tuning in to the L show this week guys uh stay tuned for the
107:38
Afterparty although it might be a bit of a shorter version of the Afterparty
107:43
and is that it thanks for watching yeah
107:47
hopefully I didn't embarrass myself too badly with that story at the beginning
107:50
do we have to do a outro
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TR all right