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The WAN Show: Steam OS Download, Microsoft Smart Bra' and GUEST Anand Lal Shimpi - Dec 13, 2013

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0:00 think uhoh who it worked but then I was like uh oh sorry that's my ring tone all

0:06 right so guys welcome to the W show the weekly show where we make asses of

0:11 ourselves on a regular basis we actually have some corrections from last week's

0:16 show that I would like to get right out of the way here at the beginning so

0:19 number one correction is that um if you

0:23 fire a bullet straight up into the air terminal velocity and wind resistance

0:27 and all that stuff it's not coming down at exactly the same speed that it was

0:32 when it's going up and it's yeah well I

0:35 didn't so I'm correcting myself if that's okay with you so if it's fired

0:41 straight up into the air the odds of it actually killing someone are extremely

0:44 low however what we were talking about

0:47 was shooting down drones in which case you wouldn't necessarily be firing up

0:51 directly in the air and still has the same effect MythBusters busted the myth

0:55 that firing straight up will cause it to come down at the same speed but what

0:58 they also found is that if you fire up at an angle it there is a very good

1:02 chance that it would kill someone because it maintains a lot of its forward momentum regardless of the whole

1:06 falling speed what not it might still be flipping and stuff we were technically

1:10 wrong but it's still dangerous if people shoot at drones so that's number one

1:15 another correction from last week is that HDMI 2.0 does have support for 8K

1:19 it's just the reason that we didn't give any cares about it is that it's at 30

1:23 frames per second or 24 or something like that so it's like weren't we also

1:26 specifically talking about 1.4 yes we were specifically talking about 1.4 at

1:31 that point in time all right also we were a little bit simplistic about the

1:34 whole Walmart thing and sort of the supply chain and how much things cost so

1:38 there was an article here that was linked to me it's on Google+ lonus I'm a

1:43 fan but your extremely simplistic explanation of the cost of bringing in a product was unbelievably condescending

1:48 and just plain wrong so there you guys have it you can check that out on

1:51 Google+ where I said good point we'll discuss on the next show but one of the

1:56 objections that this particular viewer had was that 30 years ago the average

2:00 ratio of what the mean income of a worker at a company versus the CEO was

2:03 was about 30 to1 whereas now it's about 270 to1 and that is a completely

2:08 separate issue one that does need to be addressed at some point and that lonus

2:11 Media Group definitely believes firmly in um fighting because I actually don't

2:17 get paid much more than anyone else who works here so that 30 to1 is not not not

2:21 a not a thing I can strive for that 30 to1 I will be I will be pretty impressed

2:25 with myself manag to pull think companies that have 30 to1 are like

2:29 Giant chains and stuff well yes not four

2:32 person teams well four person teams could still I could just I could just

2:36 take all of the money yes I don't even know if that would still

2:41 equate if I paid everyone minimum minum wage and still took everything I still

2:46 don't think you'd make it and we'd like lose the house oh all

2:50 the sad face all right so we have some great topics for you guys today number

2:55 one is Haswell e specs have been allegedly leaked perhaps they're right

3:00 perhaps they're not we don't know but there was an article posted that seems

3:04 to have some either correct specs or

3:07 what look like fairly realistic fake specs also the smart bra could be a

3:13 thing is it for women is it for gamers

3:16 we don't know also our guest today is Anand from Anand Tech so the guy who got

3:23 me into PCS if you guys like built your first PC by watching our videos then

3:28 he's like the equivalent of that for me because reading his articles was what

3:32 really got me passionate about computers and technology so I'm extremely excited

3:36 to have him joining us in about 25 minutes here and then we've also got

3:40 some other cool stuff before we fire up that intro so we've got consumer hard

3:44 drives versus Enterprise hard drives in terms of reliability there was a test

3:48 done kind of it's we'll talk about observations of an environment um and

3:54 then there's a bunch of Xbox One trolls and a bunch of iPhone trolls and this is

4:00 getting hilarious but consistent and I I feel bad but it's still really funny so

4:05 so without further Ado let's get on with the show

4:31 so guys our number one sponsor of the show today is Hotspot Shield the easy

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4:42 qualifying fourth generation core i7 or core i5 processor and get a free copy of

4:46 Rome 2 Total War this is for a limited time and unfortunately sorry guys um

4:51 only from select retailers so that's in Canada and the US but either way make

4:55 sure that you check that out so without

4:58 further ado why don't we get into our first topic here which is that Oculus

5:04 has gotten a massive $75 million in

5:08 additional funding to jump start the virtual reality business so this was

5:13 posted on the Forum by top war gamer the original article is from the verge.com

5:18 and how excited are you about this cuz you're probably the biggest Oculus

5:22 Fanboy in like it's probably 100 kilm

5:26 square from here at least probably actually did I tell you for for like my

5:30 family Christmas thing I'm bringing my computer and Oculus home so everyone can

5:34 try it did I tell you about that we have people like coming in from Eastern

5:38 Canada to visit us and all this kind of stuff my mom was like oh we need an activity I was like we can all play

5:43 Oculus Rift so she was down so we're doing that wow that awesome like that

5:48 might extend that range that he just came up with by a little bit family

5:52 Christmas at the uh at at Luke's

5:55 family's seriously 100% I'm stoked there

5:59 we go all right uh so all a lot of this

6:03 money is going towards actually like producing making and getting ready to

6:08 sell mass production like making it happen I mean the the development they

6:13 already kind of spent that money they kind of have them now but that's they

6:19 need way more of them as everyone on Kickstarter ever discovered there's a

6:23 lot more to raising the funding to bring a product to Market than just covering

6:29 the cost of having it manufactured and then kind of

6:32 going yeah we're done yeah so that's what a lot of the money is going to and

6:36 an interesting quote from one of the big investors who's now going to be on the

6:39 board because he invested so much money or not exact quote but basically what he

6:43 was saying was when he saw the developer kit he wasn't 100% sold and he wasn't

6:46 ready to invest which I completely understand because when you have the

6:49 developer kit you can see all these pixels and you can actually like easily

6:53 see the Grid in between the you have one right yeah yeah and it's it's it's

6:58 wonderful but you can still see the pixels so it's still kind of a rough experience and he said that once he saw

7:03 the consumer version which is a higher resolution he was sold and he was ready

7:07 to invest all that money so that actually makes me super stoked because I haven't tried the highres version yet

7:12 which like man I'm stoked because that's one of the biggest things that I find holding it back and for me personally

7:17 what I'm really excited for is the consumer version to be released a whole

7:20 bunch of people to buy it and then people start building accessories for it

7:23 like uh when we were testing the Omni the gun that was there was not super

7:27 great I was so sad when I saw Yan's uh

7:31 Shark Tank appearance I don't know if you guys watch Shark Tank but yon I

7:35 can't remember his last name but he's a super nice guy he actually if you search

7:39 for virtuix Omni on YouTube um him

7:43 walking us through like a tour of the product is one of the first hits he's a

7:47 great guy he he invented the Omni and uh

7:50 he was on Shark Tank I think his issue was he was asking for too much money for

7:55 too small a share in the company because otherwise I think they wouldn't have so

8:00 harsh but they basically just said uh I think the the lady invest potential

8:04 investor said something like if my husband brought this home I'd divorce

8:07 him or something like that and I mean I understand that from a mainstream

8:11 perspective but we need we need guys

8:14 like Yan and we need guys building accessories for this and turning it into

8:19 more than just a thing you put at your on your head and sit in your chair we

8:22 need things in fact where ah where' my stinky footboard go we need things that

8:27 enhance the way that you interact with your PC whether it's the tongue

8:30 controller that that valve employee developed or the buttock controller or

8:34 foot pedals all these different ways that go beyond keyboard or Mouse and be

8:38 on the controller that debate of keyboard mouse versus controller might

8:41 just be completely dead in another 5 years and I'm extremely excited to see

8:45 that anyway sorry I hijacked your topic yeah I know it's all good because one of the biggest things I found with fairly

8:49 extended use with the Oculus is when you want to start doing more things a

8:53 keyboard and mouse is not ideal believe me freaking love keyboard and mouse but

8:57 when you have an Oculus on your face and and you do a 180 in your chair it's not

9:01 really going to work out so well you can't be like uh we need Wireless Oculus

9:07 we really need Wireless we need Wireless Oculus for one or we need some type of

9:10 cable management system that can swivel with you oh okay where it's like oh you

9:14 know what could probably be done even now and this is going to sound super

9:18 dorky but think about this if you could get um like even something crazy like

9:23 edel's 2600 mAh battery pack like if you carry like if you had like a like almost

9:28 a backpack based battery whether it's DC

9:31 or AC depending on how you would power all the other stuff and then a wireless

9:35 HDMI kit which are actually you can get them for around 100 to 200 bucks these

9:40 days that could be a pretty good DIY

9:43 people have been doing concept art of the whole idea they've been thinking of backpacks that were specially made for

9:47 it so that they're they don't stick out way too far so they're Slimline against

9:51 your back and different stuff like that with big flat batter yeah brilliant so

9:55 something like that coming out um better guns which are more realistic coming out

9:59 that you could have so you could have mags on your belt and you take one out

10:03 and put it like Drop it or do whatever and then or put it in your belt and then

10:06 take another one loaded in and that's how you reload your gun uh stuff like

10:09 that would be fantastic just all these different accessories which will make it

10:13 so much better and then something like an omni so that you don't have to sit in

10:17 this chair with a keyboard mouse cuz right now that's the most awkward thing

10:20 is not the Oculus it's all the other things you have to do with the Oculus

10:24 paired with the resolution issues so once the resolution issues are solved

10:27 and all these accessories come out this be be freaking

10:31 awesome oh man I'm stoked jeez so stoked

10:35 that you don't even have to get an Oculus for Christmas to make it the

10:38 central part of your Christmas yeah yeah all right I'll just bring it there

10:44 speaking of more extremely exciting news steam o is available today we've

10:49 actually we're we're going to make this one of our main discussion points with

10:53 Anan when he arrives so I don't want to get too much into it but uh we can talk

10:57 about Steam OS actually I mean I guess it's slightly different I'll be talking

11:01 with him about steam box not Steam OS

11:04 yeah but a steam box is just a box with Steam OS on it and Hardware in it so

11:09 anyway this was posted by guns cool on the Forum and the original article is

11:12 from The Verge with um basically just an

11:15 announcement that Steam OS will be available to download on Lucky Friday

11:19 the 13th and beyond that valve is

11:22 shipping out those 300 prototype steam

11:26 boxes that they had whoops I'm on the wrong scene here that they had promised

11:31 and uh a few lucky people are getting a very early look at Steam OS and steambox

11:36 now to be clear

11:39 um they're not really recommending that people just run out download Steam OS

11:44 and then Chuck it on any old PC unless they're experienced Linux hack or people

11:50 that are that are pretty good at that sort of thing already because it is not

11:54 ready at all plus the learning curve will be a little bit steeper than if

11:59 you're just installing Windows where it's just like put in USB press okay

12:03 press okay press okay enter a product key and you're done I'm I'm thinking

12:07 that if if it becomes available like I haven't I haven't seen if someone has a

12:10 download link for it like I've gone to the Steam OS page and it says download will be available soon I don't know if

12:14 that's actually where they're releasing it because it's in beta so someone has the proper download page if you could

12:18 tweet it to me or spam it in chat or something that would be awesome and I

12:22 might try and see if I can Tinker with it and if I can get it working easily

12:25 enough over the weekend do you think we should do benchmarks or you think we should wait for the official release you

12:29 you know what I am actually less interested in benchmarking Steam OS from

12:34 a local play perspective okay and I am

12:38 more interested in benchmarking Steam OS from a network play perspective but that

12:42 should work it should yeah so that but

12:46 to me building the powerful steam box

12:49 doesn't actually make a ton of sense if Network play works well yeah which I

12:54 don't see why it wouldn't and we're so close to Consumer grade 10 GB l

13:00 that we could be looking at with compression 4K streaming by the time 4K

13:05 TVs are really available and affordable and good um so with all of that in mind

13:11 I just don't think we need powerful graphics cards in these things so n um

13:14 what I would like to take a look at more than anything else is the latency y of

13:19 the network streaming so I actually all the things I got today I got so much

13:23 cool stuff today you guys uh we got a new lens from Sigma it's a 24 to 105 I

13:28 think 24 to 105 mm lens it's an F4 um

13:32 the sharpness should be just outstanding some of their new stuff has been great

13:36 we got our 4K recorder for the Sony fs700 camera so we are ready to rock

13:40 with a sharp new lens and our 4K recorder so excited about that um I got

13:46 okay this I mean I guess it doesn't sound as exciting as that stuff but this is the one I was about to say was I got

13:51 a USB 2 GB Ethernet adapter for my shield so what's up um seem concerned

14:00 what the title's wrong that's all keep going it's not wrong well okay I guess

14:03 we should say we're live now fine um so

14:08 right so I got a USB to GB Ethernet adapter so that means I'm going to be

14:11 able to run NVIDIA Shield in 1080P mode

14:15 on my TV rather than relying on wireless and being limited to 720p so what we can

14:20 do is because we just picked up one of

14:24 these babies yeah that's right and because we

14:28 have shield and because if you can figure it out we'll have Steam OS set up

14:33 we could actually look at these different streaming Solutions which I really think is the future not

14:38 necessarily streaming over the when over the internet but streaming to yourself

14:43 to all your devices locally is extremely exciting to me extremely get

14:48 it is is extremely exciting to me and

14:51 I'd like to have a look at how all these Solutions are comparing to each other so stay tuned guys that is definitely

14:56 something that we're going to be looking into later okay apparently we do have a

15:00 link and you can download Steam OS right

15:03 now that's so ghetto that's awesome super ghetto like FTP like oh wow that's

15:09 amazing I I love you valve all right so

15:13 let's get into our first headline topic I actually don't even I don't even think

15:17 this qualifies as a headline topic I mean come on man oh I'm stoked but it's

15:21 it's more like a rapid fire topic but we're just turning it into a headline

15:24 topic because whatever awesome all right so this was posted by nice hat on the

15:29 Forum Microsoft's new smart bra stops

15:33 you from emotionally

15:37 overeating okay

15:43 so all right all right okay so hold on hold on let's let's be mature for a

15:47 second here can we be mature for a second what

15:51 I say the word boobies and you laugh is that how this works I actually didn't

15:54 laugh at that no but braier smart bra nope not even uh smart bra

16:01 so smart bra that's where you draw the line okay so it actually has a control

16:05 board on it it has sensors for detecting

16:09 your stress levels as well as your heart

16:13 rates and um okay B basically it's a

16:17 wearable stress sensor and you know okay I'm all for wearable tech and if it did

16:22 something else I would probably be like oh that's pretty cool but it tells you

16:27 to stop eating just like

16:31 really now hold on a second now the the

16:34 claim the claim right now so the designer when asked about a male version

16:38 because it's like what so only women need to stop eating is that what you're trying to say okay so the designer said

16:43 her team did try to develop a version for men but that male underwear is too

16:49 far away from the heart for an accurate EKG

16:54 reading so basically it'll only work for

16:57 I mean unless men could wear bers then

17:01 then it would work in theory yeah but then you could just buy the ladies

17:04 version as long as they don't make it just sort of pink and frilly I mean okay wearable tech extremely exciting but I

17:10 think for now to put the amount of

17:13 processing power into something to make it legitimately useful we're going to be

17:17 looking at this kind of wearable tech or this kind of wearable tech and not so

17:21 much socks and brers and all that kind of stuff okay if they had a a smart

17:25 breier so that you it could tell your phone your rate but it didn't but it

17:31 didn't bleed out going oh my God you're eating too much that would make so much

17:35 more sense to me if it was affordable that okay that's fine CU you

17:39 could hey if it was a sports bra you could track your heart weight while running okay and you wouldn't have to

17:44 wear any extra stuff so you don't mind if it's a piece of athletic gear I have

17:47 I don't even care if it's a piece of personal gear it doesn't matter I just I think it's kind of insane that it's like

17:53 cuz it one it's going to go off at all the wrong times I already brought this

17:56 up with you you're going to be in a movie you're going to be enjoying the movie and get really into it your heart

17:59 rate's going to go up like you're like going to take a bite of popcorn it's going to be

18:03 like you're overstressed stop eating do you think it vibrates do you think it

18:08 texts your phone how do you think it works you don't think it vibrates it communicates with your phone it doesn't

18:12 vibrate you could keep your phone in your bra you could and then that could

18:15 vibrate yes all right but like yeah

18:19 you're going to be in a movie you're going to be eating and then it's going to freak out so the original article was

18:23 from extreme Tech I think I had forgotten to say that before want to

18:26 make sure that giv credit where credit is due and I I I don't even you know what guys

18:31 hit us on the Twitter Blitz for this one let's let's do a Twitter Blitz right

18:35 after this topic right after this next topic and before Anan joins us because

18:40 it's just tell us your thoughts in 140 characters or less mine is tech on

18:44 Twitter and I think that's about all we have to say so let's do one of our um

18:49 let's do one of our rapid fire topics here we've actually got quite a few you

18:52 know what this is something that was news apparently if you press enter right

18:57 after it it turns into a link yeah that's good that it does that because that's annoying um it's a lot better

19:01 than Excel where you have to actually highlight it into that field ridiculous

19:06 okay so this was posted online as Tech tips forum and apparently I'm on page

19:10 two oh no here we go so by snow Comet Sony announced a micro USB thumb drive

19:16 uh for Android devices that is small enough to carry at all times it has a

19:19 standard USB connector on one end so you can see standard USB here so that goes

19:23 right into your port and then has micro USB on the other end it has on the-go

19:27 functionality meaning that on Android 4.0.3 or later apparently 4.4 is not yet

19:32 supported so that's kind of interesting uh you can have 8 gigs 16 gigs or 32

19:36 gigs of storage available to you and the

19:39 interesting to me thing to me about this was that this already exists but for

19:43 some reason when Sony does it it's making you know headlines and when

19:48 Patriot does it um we're the only ones who apparently know we've actually got a

19:51 sample of the Stellar already so if my

19:54 uh if my internet would go a little bit faster here I would be able to show that to you guys but basically it's pretty

20:00 much the same thing and it's available in up to 64 gigs so Patriot has the jump

20:06 on Sony for that particular thing speaking of your internet not going fast

20:10 enough we might be getting some awesomeness on Tuesday or we like we are

20:15 getting some awesomeness on Tuesday or we might be we are they're coming they're coming we are getting some

20:22 awesomeness I watched the hobit last night so it's like

20:28 it just total flashbacks that was awesome thank

20:33 you okay so anyway we're we you going to tell them what's coming on Tuesday or

20:38 well I I was you know more about it than I do oh well basically we have a new

20:42 internet connection coming in it's going to be 50 mag down which who cares but

20:45 compared to our five Meg up that we have now on cable we are going to have 10 Meg

20:52 up on fiber and we're probably like the

20:55 only people in the area on fiber and I think the company that we're going

20:58 doesn't do shared connection no they

21:03 don't you should have seen he's on the phone and he like moves the phone away

21:08 from his house or house head and freaks out and like falls to the floor and is

21:12 all excited and then all of a sudden goes like yep that sounds

21:17 good I didn't know it was a fiber connection no because that service is

21:22 not fiber in every area it just happens to be fiber here yes because it's it's

21:27 ADSL Plus in a lot of places and but

21:30 they still have that service but it's like you know how it's always advertised

21:33 Max 10 Meg whatever yeah yeah our area

21:36 like I called the general line and they had to transfer me to like the fiber

21:40 team in order to get it set up like our area is fiber that's awesome so I'm like

21:45 super stalked I just made sure all your links were hyperlink for the future oh

21:48 thank you ready to go I appreciate that and I'm internet was working that would

21:52 be fantastic I am like super trying to do this but I am like super not having a

21:57 ton of success and P rots SEO is super not terrific so between all of those

22:02 super things going on right now there's not a whole lot I can do to show you guys the Stellar unless I can there it

22:08 is yay oh really seriously oh yeah there

22:11 we go there we go okay so this is the Stellar you guys so just like the Sony

22:15 one it's got a micro USB on one end and then it has fulls size USB 3 which is

22:20 even better than the Sony one on the other end available in three different

22:23 sizes 1632 and 64 and it is on the go

22:27 ready in fact just as a quick test I plugged it into the bottom of my one and

22:30 it worked flawlessly they also have the cosmos which is um not a USB thumb drive

22:38 it's different it is a please have your

22:42 site work thank you Cosmos which is an on thee-o so it

22:48 has USB 2 on one end and micro USB on the other end uh SD card and micro SD

22:53 card reader so this one's actually kind of cool because you're not just limited to the storage limited to the storage

22:57 it's actually on the device itself you could just carry around like a Pelican

23:02 case full of SD cards and then you could carry all the data with you if you were

23:06 obsessive compulsive enough to actually manage like transferring everything and

23:09 like archiving it all on SD so yeah I thought that was pretty cool as well all

23:14 right so let's see what uh let's see what the Twitter verse has to say about

23:18 wearable smart bras there's a bunch of people in the chat making fun of us for

23:21 being all excited over an internet connection that is apparently not even that good I know it's not that good but

23:25 this is Canada guys and it's like twice as good as our current

23:29 twice as good as the best plan we can get from our current providers so

23:33 whatever man still stoked yeah I mean imagine if you can program the bra as

23:39 dimitr here says imagine if you could program the bra like you can program GPS

23:44 with like different voices and like different attitudes that's horrible it's

23:48 like you know the uh that episode of futur where they reprogram the ship's

23:51 computer from being like you know an irritating dude that Bender always

23:56 argues with to being like a seductive female so you could take your bra anywhere from

24:00 like could dial it to like supportive girlfriend and it's like hey h you know

24:04 you proba shouldn't grab that and then you could dial it all the way to like

24:07 abusive boyfriend it's like hey if you eat one more of those I'm leaving you

24:11 something that's horrible it's sort of horrible see it's just going to help

24:14 anorexia which is like not good if it just tracked like your heart rate and

24:18 like other things and gave you statistics so you could like follow your

24:22 thing and like if if it helped like Health apps and all that kind of stuff like that could be really cool but Hater

24:27 Hater right here here on the stream zor bot's always a hater I know what a hater

24:32 literally always a hater uh we're getting it's telis fiber so I know it's

24:35 Tellis so all the promises in the world

24:39 we'll see but anyway um I bet Bill Gates

24:43 put a camera in Le bra I I bet he didn't I bet he has better things to do that

24:48 would be a lot nicer than using weird on the-go cables indeed we mini what I I

24:55 haven't even heard of this no one has even T hashtag boobies really that was

24:58 the best you could come up

25:02 with apparently I'm getting Justin through finals week with this stream

25:06 it's like a chain man I am I am I I

25:10 don't think this stream will help you with your finals no although if he has

25:15 like scheduled breaks so that he can stay

25:18 focused scheduled breaks at 4:30 on Fridays exactly for anywhere from 1 and

25:22 a half to two and a half hours that was so specific all right oh

25:27 there's a better way to download Through The Unofficial torrent so guys check

25:30 that out as long that is yeah whatever

25:33 but although it's on Steam db. info yeah it's probably fine watching from work I

25:37 could feel the Judgment from you just leaving the bra picture up yeah we are

25:40 definitely judging that idea um how do you plan to prevent Steam OS spam in the

25:45 twitch chat we're not we're not it seems to be fine already yeah I guess Windows

25:49 and steam will unite to provide the world the first game streaming

25:55 brought all right so basically people don't have to say about the smart bra

25:59 which I guess shouldn't surprise us that much all right so we've got our special wait wait wait finally one I believe Ms

26:05 said the smart bra would be for other purposes Health apps are already a thing

26:08 and more data could be useful for them all right so more data for the health

26:11 apps that already exist okay fine but I

26:16 mean I just don't the level of okay I

26:21 don't see it happening anytime soon that part I do agree with though yep if it

26:25 interfaces with your phone and helps currently existing Health apps that

26:29 totally makes sense yelling at you for eating too much I don't think is the

26:33 right angle that doesn't seem like a good

26:36 idea you're probably just creating a problem so terrible all right so we have

26:41 a special guest joining us do I have headphones you do they're over here you

26:45 are amazing uh slick set up the stream all by his big boy self today and I am

26:51 extremely impressed so far with how well it's working well remember when you used

26:56 to set it up and the audio never worked well that's because we had the worst

27:00 audio setup on the planet I love our new audio setup if I had enough time it

27:03 worked the best we ever had it working it's so great just say yeah well but

27:07 this one's kind of nice cuz it just kind of works instantaneously you have to

27:11 like spend literally two hours trying to balance everything yeah it's great all

27:14 right I'm dragging him up all right user was moved to your channel I hope he's

27:19 ready I am ready hey how are you welcome

27:22 to the show I'm doing all right thanks for

27:25 thanks for having me that this is absolutely Ely fantastic so all right

27:30 I'm going to start I'm I'm actually sorry I know I just brought you in but I

27:33 I actually have to not let you talk for just a moment here because not everyone

27:37 would have necessarily seen the intro so guys I'm introducing Anand from Anand

27:43 right here this is his head right here you'll be hearing his melodic voice in

27:46 your heads or at least you'll think it's melodic if you're anywhere near as much

27:49 of a fanboy of this guy as I am now I did an interview of him I'm I'm totally

27:55 probably making you blush so it's a good thing there's no video feed but I did an

27:58 interview of him at computex that my staff hid the footage from me and

28:03 wouldn't allow me to upload because apparently it was just about an hour of

28:07 me gushing about his greatness but now

28:11 we're live and so there's nothing that they can do to prevent this from being

28:15 broadcast to the entire internet so Anan

28:18 is the guy who got me into Tech more than anyone else I've read almost

28:23 everything he's ever written and I have a lot of respect for this guy so

28:26 normally I ask my guest to introduce themselves but I think I've probably

28:29 introduced you a fair bit here do you have anything else to say no you this is like super kind of

28:35 you um and so no I I have nothing to add

28:39 this is this is awesome and congratulations by the way you've been Like Making Waves and and clearly uh

28:45 putting in a lot of good work and it's good to see that you uh you get recognized for that well thank you very

28:49 much I think that leads pretty well into our very first topic here now you were I

28:55 mean okay I remember asking you this question but I'm I'm going to make you answer it I'm going to make you answer

28:59 it on air you always wear a suit even in

29:04 Taipei in the middle of summer can you

29:07 talk about the origins of anante and a little bit about the print to digital

29:11 media transition and how you've

29:14 experienced it and lived through it yeah

29:18 totally um okay so the suit has a couple of things um so I I started when I

29:23 started the site I was 14 and uh I don't know my parents always raised me to

29:29 believe that when you do something important you wear a suit so I was I

29:32 don't know meeting with people and I figured got to wear a suit um so I did

29:36 that for a while and then at some point I guess I I stopped being a kid but I

29:40 kept with the whole suit thing um because one thing I realized was a lot

29:43 of the other folks um that were you know in the industry

29:48 doing similar things weren't necessarily doing things as professionally as I

29:53 thought that they should be doing them um so I I use the suit as kind of a way

29:57 to to at least when I walk in a room to to help explain that look we're here to

30:01 work um I mean since then the you know

30:04 industry's Consolidated things have like calm down a bit but um the suit always

30:08 kind of stayed um now every now and then I do slip up like uh I mean it went I

30:13 probably went like a decade without anyone ever seeing me outside of a suit

30:17 cuz like that's not how I dress at home like I'm not wearing a suit right now

30:22 um so I I I kept the facade going for

30:25 like a really really long time and then one time I I think I was speaking at

30:29 maybe at Quake conon or something like that and I remember getting out of uh a

30:33 car and I was like in basketball shorts I hadn't shaved in

30:37 days and I think some people from AMD saw me and they're like what the hell is

30:43 this so since then you know I've kind of I've kind of slacked a bit like no I

30:47 won't wear like dress shoes anymore right I'll wear sneakers cuz like I

30:51 don't know I review really cool stuff and it like blows my mind how they're able to do all of this but my feet have

30:55 to hurt at the end of a trade show so I'm not okay with that so I I I dish the

31:00 dress shoes I I'll usually wear the suit a few times like I I'm I'm an old dude

31:04 now right like I'll I'll not wear a tie sometimes and just like really slack

31:08 off um okay so that answers the suit question uh origins of an ontech um long

31:14 story short I was like I don't know my parents are teachers we didn't have a

31:17 ton of money um I needed a new computer

31:21 my dad was like hey just build one cuz back then you could save a lot of money

31:24 doing that right um I had no idea what I was doing so I flipped through computer

31:28 shop her pointed at stuff and and you know we ordered things and I put it

31:31 together and of course I shorted the motherboard to the chassis so I killed

31:35 the motherboard my dad's like you're done um my mom's like no no no it's okay

31:40 we we'll get you another motherboard um totally like piece of crap motherboard 2

31:43 had like fake cash on it the whole thing um so I build that and I'm like hey this

31:48 is kind of cool I have a new computer um and I learned a lot in the process uh my

31:52 dad's a uh he was a teacher at a college at the time and um other faculty

31:58 students were in a similar situation so this was like sevenish grade for me he

32:03 would like pick me up after school and I'd go around and build people computers

32:06 um and then you know they'd have problems with their computers so I'd go

32:09 around and fix them um so I did that for like two years and then 97 hit and both

32:14 my parents being teachers I had this like bug to want to teach and share knowledge uh so I kind of brain dumped

32:19 online and and that's where we started um on a geoc cities page right yep geoc

32:24 cities.com uh

32:28 I think SLS and Valley Pine 9297 that

32:31 was the that was the UR um nice so yeah

32:35 I did that and uh I I I don't know I was

32:38 14 I didn't know what I was doing I just wanted to share thoughts and uh I hadn't

32:43 really thought about the whole print to internet transition um and actually you

32:46 know I was doing it for years when you know print was still on this this

32:51 pedestal and you know it was just you're the you're the online guys or or you're

32:54 the online guy that wears a suit um and

32:57 and yeah I mean it it took a while for that transition from from print to

33:02 digital to to really become a holy crap we need to do this um kind of thing uh

33:07 and and I would say that that really probably happened in the in the past

33:10 handful of years um where you know you go through the past recession uh you

33:15 know where everyone gets hit advertising wise um and you know the print guys got

33:19 hit the worst um so I think that's you

33:22 know you could point to that point as well you know you had better have jumped

33:27 by now cuz otherwise you're going to have a a difficult time or hope you have

33:30 a lot of money so another question I had for you you know I guess so for you the

33:36 the long and short of that is right place right time as far as the the

33:40 brilliant idea of starting up a website in order to get your thoughts out there

33:44 about PCS as opposed to trying to make a magazine or whatever else but well so I

33:49 would I would add right place right time right age um cuz one thing I do is I I

33:54 talk to um I I go around and talk to like kids high school that was a very

33:58 formulative period of of my life and uh I had a very unique High School career

34:03 where uh you know I was in school I was on TV and and you know I was also

34:07 working with you know all these amazing companies and learning a lot uh and one

34:10 of the things that I I like to tell kids is that you know those four years you

34:13 have in high school um that's like a free ride right like you get your work

34:17 done but those your four years to get your way towards you know your your

34:22 10,000 hours right you you pick a passion you pick something that you

34:25 don't need to make money with um that you can just just pour all of your time

34:29 into you don't have to worry about hopefully like a rent or mortgage payment you just dive into it and and

34:34 you know work towards being an expert at something uh so that when you step foot

34:38 in college you you know can go to learn and and not necessarily go to hopefully

34:42 one day start building a career right that's actually a very very good point

34:47 and uh something I wish I had done a little bit better on my path I did not

34:50 get started nearly as early as you um so

34:54 the the basis of an onac at the beginning was of course p but over the

34:58 last few years I've seen I've seen your interests shift and hence the articles

35:03 that you're writing really shift towards things like home theater you went on a

35:07 bit of a kick um a bit of a home theater

35:10 kick for a little while um you've moved a away from PC strictly to doing a lot

35:17 of first Mac coverage and then now um

35:20 iOS coverage so Apple devices in general and where do you see a non-tech heading

35:24 in the future I mean you guys have I mean Brian clug if he's if he's anywhere

35:28 near you please just yell at him and tell him how amazing he is when it comes

35:33 to phone reviews you guys have positioned yourselves through his hard

35:36 work I mean sweat Blood and Tears goes into that as really in my mind the

35:40 premier phone review site but what what do you think is the next step I

35:44 appreciate that no Brian isn't sitting next to me he's uh he's in Arizona right

35:48 now working actually on another phone review um but he uh he's amazing like I

35:53 I'm I'm actually really really proud of our entire team um so it's interesting

35:57 if you you look at it through you you kind of hit the nail on the head there

36:00 yeah right like um a lot of our coverage does uh or at least what I do kind of

36:04 follows my interest um you know I was building a home theater so I said hey

36:08 maybe I should look in home theater PCS and I remember walking into a compiler

36:13 class in college uh this was back in 02

36:17 or 03 I remember walking in uh in the uh

36:21 I guess this was in the College of Engineering Building um or maybe in the computer science building so I walk in

36:25 and I look around and everyone has a Mac laptop and like this is really weird um

36:29 because you know for years this you wouldn't see that and uh that was

36:32 actually what inspired me to to go out buy Mac and and start using that um and

36:37 and that spawned you know our Mac coverage um and then you know from there

36:42 you you said it yourself we we branched out into Mobile what is interesting from

36:46 my perspective is I I don't actually view this as any different as what we

36:49 you know did when I started right like it's all we get into compute when it

36:54 hits a a certain level of sophistication

36:57 right um right and you know we our our phone coverage kind of basically started

37:02 with the iPhone um back in 07 we had some false starts internally when we

37:06 said hey you know how do we grow we need other things to do um and and you know

37:10 we we messed around with just kind of more regular phone reviews and you know

37:14 playing around with pdas and Windows mobile and stuff like that but none of

37:17 those projects ever really got off the ground and then you know we we kind of

37:20 tried again with the iPhone um and that did relatively well um and then you know

37:25 a couple years into it we we started adding more um and then definitely over

37:30 the past I'd say three or four years um we really ramped up our Mobile coverage

37:34 um but from my perspective they're all PCS right it's just a different box um

37:39 and and you know it's a different Cadence of release right because we do Enterprise reviews as well but that's

37:43 just like a really really big computer that comes out you know once every year

37:47 or two I mean I think that's something that um that I I think the post PC era

37:53 is such a misnomer because the sitting at a desk doing work

37:58 uh experience is not going to go away I mean this is much like a bit of an a

38:02 back and forth argument that I've had with my viewers over the last little while where I said that the PS4 and the

38:07 Xbox One are the last generation of consoles as we know them and I'd have

38:10 people telling me well what I'm not going to game on my couch anymore no

38:13 that's not what I'm saying the couch gaming experience is not going anywhere

38:18 it's just that the console is going somewhere so in much the same way that

38:22 the sitting at a desk with a big Monitor and getting real work done isn't going

38:26 anywhere I think the device that we do it on is the thing that might just be

38:30 changing over the next 5 to 10 years and it's just they're all PCS just yeah and

38:35 because that's I mean I would I would say the same thing on a console right like if you look at you know 360 PS3 PS4

38:41 Xbox One it's just PCS it's their like

38:45 really weird PCS that are made by Microsoft and Sony but they're just PCS

38:49 um and you know how how well valve does

38:52 with steambox over the next decade I think we will ultimately determine

38:55 whether or not we get another console refund fresh so let's talk about weird

39:00 PCS with steam box because that's our next topic very nice Segway by the way

39:05 um digital storm has given some details on their upcoming steam os/ Windows so

39:11 they're planning to preload both os's on it from what I've seen but I guess you

39:14 could probably opt out of Windows um so this is a gaming box with liquid cooling

39:19 on the CPU up to a 700 wat power supply

39:22 um it's going to be around $1,500 have a have a powerful graphics card in it um

39:28 and then the other end of the spectrum we've got guys like IB power with their

39:33 $500 machine that's going to have I think it was an r r9270 or something

39:38 along those lines like a much more uh middle-of the road graphics card where

39:42 do you see Steam OS and steam box which to be clear for the viewers guys a steam

39:47 box is just a computer in much the same way that all the other things we're

39:50 talking about are just computers that happens to run Steam OS it's just it's

39:54 just a box that you bought from someone that is validated pre-loaded with steam

39:58 that's all the steam box is so how do you see Steam Box fitting in with the

40:02 current consoles and with PC moving forward um okay so uh it's a really

40:09 really good idea um it's actually I was at a uh a dinner um like a secret Intel

40:15 laraby dinner which I guess I can talk about now because laraby never happened for consumers um okay hold on a second

40:21 is it okay to reveal a secret that never

40:25 truly fully got revealed I mean they they announced it right it's

40:30 just I was never supposed to talk about this dinner but I'm gonna talk about the

40:33 dinner now so and um it's not actually

40:37 like it's now I've hyped it up too much the dinner it doesn't I mean it was a great dinner it's just it's irrelevant

40:41 to the current conversation the food was good yeah I know it was actually yeah it

40:45 was it was an entertaining dinner anyways Charlie from semi accurate he was he was at the dinner and he floats

40:49 this idea of um and this is years ago

40:53 right like laraby time frame like pre a lot of stuff um so he floats this idea

40:59 that you know AMD and Intel should get together develop a list of specs and

41:04 make you know develop a little badge program and make Hardware vendors go out

41:08 meet the specs and you know they can distribute like an OS like a little

41:12 virtualized or like a hypervisor or something like that um like on a USB

41:16 stick um and this would be like a very

41:20 custom console gaming OS that would that would run on this hypervisor uh and

41:24 you'd have this logo program which would ensure that you would meet the specs and

41:28 sorry can I can I interrupt you for a second do you want to just explain to the viewers who don't know what

41:32 hypervisor is sort of what that would mean exactly oh true yeah sure um

41:37 basically a thing that you can run multiple virtualized os's on um so you

41:42 you would run uh so like if you have a Mac how you can run Windows on it right

41:46 so like you'll your VMware will be your hypervisor and then Windows will be you

41:50 know your uh uh if you run Windows alongside OS 10 like in OS 10

41:55 effectively um but basically you look look at it like this or actually the OS

41:59 that um the Xbox one runs right so it has a hypervisor that runs the Xbox

42:04 gaming OS as well as the the Windows kernel side by side um and you know you

42:09 switch between them anyway so this is his idea and and I heard it I'm like

42:12 this is amazing this is exactly what we need to do because the console model of

42:18 hey you know you got a a certain amount of money you has to go to the publisher

42:21 a certain amount of money has to go to you know you know the the owner of the

42:24 platform like that's all silly like there's reason to have that anymore

42:28 because we have the internet and we have Steam and you know steam handles

42:31 distribution for you and at that time if you looked at what was happening to PC

42:37 gaming I remember I walked into a Best Buy one day and I was like well where

42:41 are all the PC games and it like worried

42:44 me right because it was kind of this started happening right before steam

42:49 picked up a lot of steam right like before it got really really good where

42:53 you know you don't have to worry about PC gaming anymore um and and it was

42:56 worrisome to me so I heard this idea and I'm like this is amazing this is the

42:59 exact way to save PC gaming um and it

43:03 was a great idea but but you know nothing ever came of it and then you know valve starts talking about Steam OS

43:08 and steam box and I'm like God this is amazing this is exactly what he was talking about years ago and I believe in

43:13 it um I I think it's a really really good idea the the wrinkle in all of this

43:17 is can you get killer titles ported over

43:20 to Linux um and the answer is yes I'm

43:25 going to argue it doesn't matter that's that's going to be that's going to be sort of my my take on all this

43:31 because if valve can Implement their streaming the way that they're saying

43:36 that they can like if I'm going to be able to stream 1080P or you know a

43:40 couple years from now when we're looking at 10 gab home networking over cat 6

43:45 being something that people can feasibly do if all of a sudden we can stream

43:49 1080P or 4K from some other device

43:53 within the house whether that's a Windows based gaming PC or whatever else

43:56 it happens to be in the future then I would make the argument that whether the

44:00 game runs natively on Steam OS or not

44:03 becomes irrelevant and the the steam the

44:06 steam box in its in its best form to me

44:10 is almost just a thin client that acts as a streaming box from whatever else

44:14 happens to be in your house I mean for me I think the first thing I thought when I heard about NVIDIA grid was not

44:20 um playing games over the Internet the first thing that I thought was holy crap

44:24 I'd love to get one of those for like a land Center or for my house so that

44:28 every PC in my house whether it runs an atom with onboard Intel Graphics or

44:32 whether it runs whatever other high-end stuff you know dual GTX Titans is able

44:36 to have a fantastic gaming experience so that that's my take on it and maybe like

44:41 let me know what you think do we does it matter Linux compatibility for the games

44:46 so you may bring up a really good point um but I so I separate that from cuz at

44:52 that point then you don't need Steam OS right all you need is like a a a sync

44:56 right like you just need a wireless sync for you know that connects to your TV

45:00 and I'm guessing you know NVIDIA's already kind of done that with shield

45:03 and I'm guessing there'll be uh if you

45:07 play in that space you know chances are you'll want to build a similar device

45:10 right so that's that's kind of independent of in my eyes of Steam OS

45:14 being a success or not um right because like you can you can build and deliver

45:18 that experience today right like there's no you don't need anything else um what

45:24 I'm what I'm looking at Steam OS being successful at is can you duplicate the

45:27 console model right can you get to the point where someone who knows doesn't

45:31 own a gaming PC like he just runs like word on his notebook from 10 years ago

45:36 um can that guy or girl go out and say

45:40 Hey I want this I don't want an Xbox I don't want a PlayStation I want this I

45:43 don't I don't know what PC gaming is I don't know what steam is but this is

45:47 what I want in my living room like can they get to that point um and and you

45:51 know if you uh you you were at the Montreal thing weren't you yeah I was

45:56 yeah so if you listen to you know all those guys up there CarMax Sweeny you

46:00 know they all said hey this is a crazy idea give it 10 years and and you know maybe it'll work um if they can get to

46:06 that ease of use model right I I think it could definitely definitely replace

46:11 uh consoles the issue though is if we're

46:14 talking about a 10-year Horizon before this thing's successful that that does

46:19 leave room for another another go from the the traditional console players if

46:24 they made it so that there was a a version or a bottle or a type of steam

46:28 box that you could buy that was by default automatically launched into uh

46:34 big picture MH and just put you directly into big picture and did not really take

46:38 you out I think that could bridge that Gap but if it launched directly into

46:42 Steam OS it could be a little bit foreign because you're sitting in Linux

46:45 right and the other thing that the other thing that bothers me a little bit um

46:49 from from like I understand why valve's doing this because they need to cater to

46:53 the traditional PC gaming Market they can't they can't tell those guys yeah

46:56 hey I know you thought we were cool before but we're going to just we're going to

47:00 lock down steambox hardware and there's going to be one Hardware configuration

47:03 there's going to be a reference design just like a traditional console we're

47:06 going to refresh it every 3 years or whatever else um I don't think anyone

47:09 would have accepted that but the issue is that one of the major complaints that

47:15 you get from a dieh hard console player is I don't want to upgrade my Hardware

47:20 every year every 2 years and I don't want to worry about GTX this or radon

47:25 that that happens to be on the box I want to or inside the box I want to go

47:29 to Best Buy I want to buy the thing with the price tag under it there's one price

47:34 tag there's one thing I want to take it home I want to put my game in it and I want to have the experience that all my

47:38 buddies are having whereas I think opening up the hardware to just anything

47:43 um is not the strategy that we've seen work so well for companies like

47:48 Microsoft with the Xbox or like apple with the iPhone and the iPad where it's

47:52 this tightly integrated experience that they're managing I mean something that

47:56 Apple does so well is no iPhone will ever ship with a crappy Wireless chipset

48:01 from some noname whereas it will be possible for people to buy a steam box

48:07 with offbrand audio components or Wireless components and have a bad

48:11 experience and blame it on Steam OS or on steambox rather than on the true the

48:16 true culprit and I think that by trying to Target a less techsavvy audience you

48:20 open yourself up to that so I I'd agree with that um but I would say that those

48:24 are like that's something you can easily mitigate right so so you know Microsoft

48:28 tries to do this with you know the Windows Hardware approval process right

48:31 it's just that they set the bar so low that everyone can play I mean they have

48:36 to right they're like no we need to sell Windows because otherwise we can't we

48:40 need Windows um whereas valve isn't in

48:43 that position right so if I'm at valve you know you just go hardcore about it

48:47 right we'll give you you know you want this official steam box logo or whatever

48:51 you have to not ship like just terrible Hardware um so I I think that's a that's

48:56 something that you can get around um you know Big Picture Mode it's I I actually

49:01 wrote about this in our gcent coverage that it seems like there are a lot of

49:06 individual projects um that are out in in the PC

49:11 gaming world right now uh that if we

49:14 just polished them all up we would be we'd be very close to like a a hyper

49:20 console experience right so something that's even you know it used to be that

49:23 hey consoles they were simple you didn't need to worry about installing your game

49:26 and and updates and none of that but like remember cartridges no loading

49:31 screens no and now it's like well you got to put in the disc and like wait

49:35 three and a half minutes because it has to install and like there's a disc so

49:39 like now it's a it's a very update yeah and it's not all the whole premise of

49:44 this being an easy to use different thing like it has a web browser now it's

49:48 just it's no longer what a console used to be it's just a managed PC now um so I

49:53 feel like if you look at you look at GeForce experience right y that's that's

49:57 a way of abstracting the whole you have to Define settings um which works right

50:02 you look at steam's Big Picture Mode that gets away from you know there's a

50:05 window Desktop Windows desktop in the background um and then you look at

50:09 Technologies like g-sync and now you're getting into this realm of well not only

50:13 does it look better have cheaper games

50:17 and you know whatever compared to a console but like it's actually also

50:20 smoother too right like this is like this is it's it's insane so we have all

50:24 of these like little things but all of them need right cuz Big Picture Mode is close but

50:30 it's still kind of valy you know it's not quite there and gsync is locked down

50:35 to NVIDIA hardware and mantle I mean

50:38 they're saying it's not locked down but I I think it'll be a cold day in Hell

50:41 before NVIDIA um gets on board with

50:44 project mantle and so all these things it's just like you're saying they need to all kind of come together um but this

50:49 this Segways really well into our next topic which is g-sync now I've got a

50:53 g-sync monitor here as well the same one you have um so so I've played with it

50:57 myself but I read almost everything you write regardless of whether I've already

51:00 got one and I've already got my own impressions of it formed as well anyway

51:04 so I did notice that you were the one who did the gsync article for your

51:08 website um you did I guess you were was it because you were particularly excited

51:12 about it or um you know did you just want to make sure that it was done 100%

51:16 right the article was great give me your your thoughts in I guess verbal form as

51:21 opposed to asking everyone to necessarily read the article although they definitely should it's only about

51:25 four pages how important is g-sync for the future of PC gaming and just for the

51:29 future of better image quality in general yeah so um I I don't know I it's

51:35 no there's no like big story as to why I was the one that wrote it then video was like Hey we're sending you a monitor and

51:41 I was like hey yeah I'm busy I have like stuff to do and like no you have to it

51:45 doesn't I don't care just just take the

51:48 monitor so so yeah that that was the the

51:52 long story of that um so what do I think

51:56 of G saying um I was kind of expecting it to just like completely like just

52:00 suck right cuz I saw it in Montreal and

52:04 I you you saw it there and like what they showed was impressive right like I

52:07 looked at like this is good um but they showed it in the pendulum demo and like

52:12 I couldn't really play with it and yeah and Tomb Raider in that one spot where

52:16 you stood next to that one mountain that's like and you panned around the

52:20 character at two different speeds I was just like come on guys exactly I'm like

52:25 come on this is not I so I'm fully expecting it to just be miserable and

52:30 for like the first day day and a half that's that was my experience um I I

52:34 kind of mentioned it in the review uh I had this um this Titan system uh the the

52:40 tiki from Falcon Northwest that that you know I got when the Titan launched and

52:44 dude like the thing was just like hard lock um whenever just I did anything and

52:50 when I could get it to be stable like I totally wiped the machine did a brand

52:54 new install Windows 8.1 latest drivers whatever uh and and whenever I just even

52:59 running benchmarks when I could get them to run on this Titan they were running

53:03 like slower than the the GTX 760 so at

53:07 first and and you know I I have um Dell's uh 24in 4K here so I switch

53:12 monitors and switch the monitors and every all the problems go away

53:15 everything's fine so at first I thought oh this this thing sucks um and then I

53:20 had a GTX 660 Ti uh on a different test

53:24 bed plug it in the thing won't even like post like I don't even there's no

53:28 nothing out of the display so I'm like okay this is really really bad um and

53:32 then you know a third time to charm I had a a GTX 760 from EVGA and uh worked

53:38 perfectly so uh when I got to that point

53:42 I was really really worried but no it it literally worked in everything like

53:45 there were no issues I I never ran into

53:49 uh any like weird hiccups or visual glitches or anything like that um it all

53:54 worked and it worked and looked just as good as it did in Montreal which was

53:58 kind of amazing um it was frustrating to me that the pendulum demo doesn't let

54:02 you it doesn't deal with any scenario

54:06 greater than uh 60 frames a second like I can't do any of the 120 or 144 testing

54:11 there um that was kind of frustrating but I spent a lot of time playing games

54:15 which um I don't get time to do anymore um so that was kind of cool um and I

54:21 don't know I posted some videos that kind of show the effect uh it it you

54:25 know makes me hate tearing a lot um Y

54:28 and uh yeah I thought there was a there was a substantial benefit to to using

54:32 this versus vsync on um obviously a substantial benefit versus uh you know

54:38 vsync off less pronounced of a benefit

54:41 versus vsnc off at a really high refresh rate um which I think that's a that's a

54:48 key thing for you know any hardcore Gamers right now they're already running at 144 or 120 um they're still an

54:53 advantage it's just not nearly as pronounced as it is at 60 well to me to

55:00 me the issue here sorry do do you mind no no go for okay to me the issue here

55:05 is a couple of things so number one is that NVIDIA shipped their g-sync

55:10 evaluation monitor um and it's a one

55:14 it's a 1080p panel and it's a 144 Herz

55:17 panel and I I don't find it much the same way that that you didn't see as

55:20 much of a difference there I don't find that at extremely high refresh rates it

55:24 is as huge and night and day of a difference as it is at you know 60

55:29 frames per second and NVIDIA knows that and then number two is that because it's

55:33 only a 1080p monitor in modern games with a decent graphics card because the

55:39 the the the pace at which graphics cards have been improving in performance has

55:43 really begun to slow down even you know a last generation card like a 660 Ti can

55:48 run most modern games and not really worry too much at dipping below 60

55:52 frames per second unless you're cranking up details that begin to to not really

55:57 affect image quality unless you're doing side by-side screenshot comparisons and

56:02 and and peering at them with a magnifying glass um so to me that the

56:06 issue is that they shipped completely the wrong product to Showcase it and I

56:11 think that if they had shipped a 1440p panel so something that can actually um

56:18 something that runs out of resolution where it's going to demand more of a GTX

56:22 780 or a GTX Titan than it can provide and dip below 6 frames per second once

56:27 in a while and if they had stuck with a 60 HZ monitor I think it would have made

56:30 for a much more impressive first experience so yeah I'd agree with that I

56:35 mean one I'm just not a fan of this panel like it's just not a like it's

56:39 okay games it's just not a I mean and part of it it's it's a cheaper display

56:43 right um well it's not but well yeah I

56:46 know but it's not like a you know it's not like a $600 display right or $1,000

56:50 display um so and and again for games

56:53 like whatever you get lost in it it's fine um so I wasn't a huge fan of of the

56:58 display they chose my guess is it was probably one of the easiest to kind of

57:02 retrofit um and even if you I actually I

57:06 want to take apart one of the ones that isn't a g-sync monitor because I I don't

57:09 know if you saw on the inside of it it's got an NVIDIA branded PCB yeah I did see

57:14 that uh so I don't know cuz like they you know the whole thing is well we just

57:18 replaced the scaler um but at least in this display they replaced like it looks

57:23 like they replaced just there's this entire PCB that they've changed but I

57:26 don't know if the original also was designed by NVIDIA so that that's something I'm curious about so I had the

57:31 same conversation with them sorry hold that thought I had the same conversation

57:35 with them on the phone where I actually because I've had a lot of people asking

57:39 me lonus are we going to be able to mod our existing monitors and add gsync

57:44 functionality to them after the fact and what Tom said was um well I I I guess

57:50 you could but you would basically be

57:53 soldering and like building a connector harness out of the interface for the

57:58 panel itself and then connecting the the

58:02 the the gsync hardware that's inside your existing Monitor and like you'd be

58:05 you'd be doing this weird Frankenstein thing but when when I opened it up it

58:10 looked aside from just lining up the wires here and making sure that you

58:14 don't have any anything crossed and anything configured incorrectly it

58:18 looked very possible yeah so that's why I'm curious

58:22 to see what like a normal one of these monitors looks like on the inside cuz I

58:25 don't know about your is mine was like the all the hardware um the scaler board

58:29 and the NVIDIA like motherboard that it plugged into that was all just like

58:33 taped in place there were no screws it was just

58:39 tape so I I I don't I I'm just really

58:42 curious to see what the the unmodified ASUS display looks like um so yeah no I

58:47 mean for for folks who haven't seen it before right like the sweet spot for

58:51 g-sync is somewhere in that you know for me I I found it to be like 38 to to 60

58:56 frames a second um whereas normally when

58:59 you're running vsync on at a 60 HZ panel

59:02 you start dropping Below in that range and start getting like this really

59:06 really variable frame rate um that's out of sync with with your monitor you do

59:10 get this jutter right like it's it's clear that you know whatever you've

59:13 walked into a room where there's just like really detailed paintings on the

59:16 wall and stuff right or like there's just tons of foliage outside um and you

59:20 get this shutter and you just kind of deal with it and then with g-sync in

59:23 that exact same situation it kind of feels like 60 frames a second it kind of

59:28 does actually it was I mean you tried it right yeah I know it feels really good

59:31 it feels really good yeah that's not the kind of show we're running here man yeah

59:36 I know that's what I thought I was calling into I just talked about a bunch

59:39 of really boring stuff so he said he wasn't in a suit he's ready in his PJs

59:44 like he's in his like what what are you wearing over there dude the suit is like

59:48 long gone man

59:52 like I just got back from a trip man that thing is it's done it's um no so I

59:59 agree like they they picked an interesting panel um I you know I was

60:03 able to find a bunch of games where even on a 760 you know dropping below 60

60:07 wasn't an issue um but what I found is just the experience is terrible if you

60:12 drop below 30 like it's just it gets real bad um so you you really need fast

60:18 enough to be above 30 uh but you know

60:21 you need the the optimal combination of of settings and Hardware to make sure

60:24 you're always in that sweet spot for this to do anything right you know

60:27 what's funny uh sorry go go ahead you can finish that thought but I just I

60:31 have another thing to add to the vsync on versus gsync scenario okay yeah no

60:35 all I was going to say is this actually um what carac said I think he was the

60:39 one that said it on stage resonates really well with me now in that uh game

60:43 developers no longer have to Target 60 right like they can they can be okay

60:47 dipping down to some of these lower and that's assuming that this is something

60:51 that's you know supported by more than just NVIDIA but I I think that's where a

60:55 lot of the potential is that and and it's a good way of dealing with the

60:59 stupidly high resolution displays which formerly you know you needed to have

61:03 basically whatever the most expensive by Jensen and new Ferrari kind of or kex

61:07 kind of cards were so my whole thing on vsync versus

61:13 gsync is I agree with you completely that it helps with the the stutter which

61:18 it does and that's great and it's fantastic but for me my biggest problem

61:22 with vsync isn't really stutter because I tend to run very high-end Hardware so

61:26 even from a high-end gamer perspective something I think NVIDIA isn't talking

61:31 about enough maybe because they don't know how to quantify it and maybe

61:35 because such a small subset of their customers will even be able to relate to

61:39 it because it'll only be the high-end guys but to me my big problem with vsync

61:43 has always been input leg I can feel it

61:47 particularly in some game engines where left for dead was the first game I think

61:52 where it really drove me absolutely bananas to have to choose between the

61:56 terrible tearing in that game and the terrible input leg that for whatever

62:01 reason was is present in that particular source-based game um and and I just

62:06 couldn't play with vsync on because the delay was so substantial gsync means the

62:12 leg goes away and and and NVIDIA doesn't seem to be talking about that in in the

62:18 in the right way do you see that as a major benefit or and are they missing

62:21 the boat here no so I agree with you that's something actually I wish I had

62:25 more time to to deal with um so I was I

62:28 was at some other meetings um when the

62:33 g-sync monitor arrived and I got back basically I don't know Sunday morning

62:38 and you know then I killed the first day and a half trying to figure out what was

62:41 wrong with the thing and then that left me with you know basically like two days to to deal with all this so I didn't get

62:45 to go in depth into input lag um but I know that's that's a big component um I

62:51 think it's a question of you know which end do you attack right I think the the

62:56 the cell they have here with the hey this makes everything smoother a bit I

63:00 think that's a very experiential cell that that applies to a very wide

63:03 audience or very broad audience I think

63:06 and and I think a lot of what NVIDIA's been doing has been trying to go after

63:09 that you know almost the console gamer right the person who doesn't really know

63:13 or understand what's going on um and and you know they're not playing

63:18 competitively but but you know they're going after

63:22 that market and and I think um I think you know reducing input lag is

63:26 a definite Advantage um but I I think like you said that that tailor to a a

63:31 slightly smaller um Niche right one

63:35 thing one analogy I liked using for gsync actually and like it's it's not

63:38 perfect because Project Butter introduced vsync to Android um or that

63:43 like it used vsync so it's not perfect but what project butter did for the

63:48 Android side of things I see gsync doing for the PC side of things because

63:52 beforehand there was all these all these drawbacks and different things you could have

63:56 to make it faster but then it would look kind of gross it was just it was never

63:59 very smooth and it was never perfect and project butter just launched them

64:03 forward in that direction yeah it was almost this intangible wow my phone just

64:07 feels well like butter and I mean gsync is it's yeah yeah butter for the PC so

64:14 you can't you can't actually really use it because because Project Butter

64:17 brought in vsync but I still like using it because of the general

64:22 idea so next topic is is Haswell e now

64:27 this particular this particular site that has the uh the Haswell e leaked

64:32 specs um they've been known to be right once in a while and not necessarily

64:37 right all the time um so it's an nch.com

64:40 we're going to head over no I'm just kidding uh so mean it's mean this is

64:45 actually posted by digital nav on our Forum um and the original article is

64:50 from wccf Tech but have you had a look

64:54 at the sort of these leaked um rumored

64:57 specs and what are your thoughts on Haswell E versus what we have now which

65:02 is Ivy Bridge e do we need eight core on the desktop how important is this

65:07 even um so yeah I I actually I didn't realize this this had leaked yet um so I

65:12 I I don't I didn't pay much attention to you know how accurate inaccurate it was

65:16 um they actually had uh Haswell eunning

65:19 in IDF um at IDF last year or oh crap

65:23 this year still um they had a running just as a ddr4 demo um so so samples

65:28 have been out there so I wouldn't be surprised if you know people got wind of it um how important is this going to be

65:35 I the the the whole you know Sandy brid

65:39 e iy Bri e and looking at Haswell e that's just a really weird family of

65:43 parts to me what I what I want is something in between the two that I

65:47 don't have to use like a weird socket to get to um right and I think we might get

65:53 that with you know it sounds like they're going to do socketed Broadwell

65:56 and and bring Crystal well on board but I'm guessing they won't you know they

66:01 won't improve Crystal well at all it'll still be the same thing we have today um

66:04 but I I I don't know that I'm more interested in that personally um do we

66:08 need eight cores on the desktop yeah if you're doing like a lot of like really

66:13 really heavy professional video work I can see that being very very exciting um

66:17 and and you know I'd be fine with it if it weren't out of sync with the rest of

66:22 the desktop stuff right I don't like this whole yeah you can get something

66:26 that's you know a little better but it's a year out of phase with everything else

66:30 like I don't you've got you've got smart response here you've got you know that

66:35 you've got quick Sync here but you've got more cores there and more RAM there

66:38 this fragmentation or the segmentation or whatever you want to call it um

66:42 really bothers me and I guess that's pretty much what you're alluding to

66:45 right now yeah I don't I don't I'm just not a fan of it like it's it's uh you

66:50 know it is what it is like you can't it's I mean because this is effectively

66:53 a server part and and they're just kind of making a a desktop version of it um

66:59 so it's it's nice like it'll obviously it'll improve over IU bridy um you know

67:04 we already know what Haswell can do in terms of a Pere IPC Improvement um so

67:10 overing will be mediocre you know all these things we know already yeah it I

67:14 mean it'll be a better platform at least um uh which will be nice like Cu uh you

67:20 know x79 is kind of old now um so it'll it'll at least take care of that um SATA

67:27 SATA three ports yes finally yeah I I'm

67:30 just not a fan of the trade-off like I I don't for me I would I would wait for

67:33 Broadwell desktop it'll be cheaper and and likely be close enough um although

67:37 you know eight cores is nice I won't I won't won't hate on that too much fair

67:42 enough all right well I think that's uh I think that's pretty much all the time

67:47 we have I don't want to keep you too long I think we kept you 10 minutes over

67:50 time as it is but uh maybe just if you want to give the oh my goodness I

67:54 realize we don't have our thing up there anymore um if you want to give the uh

67:58 the peeps a way to find you if they're interested in whether it's your written

68:01 work or your Twitter or whatever else uh we'd love to at least drive a few more

68:05 followers your way if people enjoyed your presence on the show and I

68:08 certainly did I think that the the viewers have been teasing me in the

68:12 twitch chat the entire time for fangirling but I don't care I'm proud of

68:16 it so just go ahead and let them know where they can find you okay cool yeah

68:21 no thanks for having me um you can find

68:24 uh me sometimes at anon.com that's and dte.com um or on Twitter which is Anon

68:31 shimpy and D MPI um and yeah congrats

68:35 again on everything man you you've been doing a good job and uh thanks for

68:38 having me on thank you very much all right uh until I see you next I'll

68:42 probably run into you at CES somewhere so I'll I'll come say hi yep I'll be

68:46 just completely demoralized and just tired and me too man yeah yep CES is

68:54 happening all right man no I've been booking all my meetings and like I'm

68:58 looking at my calendar and I'm just like how the hell am I going to get to all these places oh you don't like you can't

69:03 you just you're just eternally late like I'm already late to my first CES meeting

69:07 like that's just you just have to assume that that's the case you embrace the

69:10 lateness and and you know you'll you'll be okay NVIDIA is really mad at me cuz

69:15 I'm I think I'm missing their thing because uh really yeah I wasn't planning

69:19 to be down at the show that early so when they sent out the save the date I

69:23 just kind of I meant to send back an email that said I couldn't make it but

69:27 instead I was just like oh well I'm not going to be there so I guess I just

69:30 won't RSVP when the time comes and at that time they hadn't really been

69:34 engaging with me as much yet either so I

69:37 just I really didn't think about it that much but at the Montreal event we kind

69:41 of syned up a little bit more and and sort of decided that we needed to do

69:44 more together and then um so anyway in in the meantime having not thought about

69:49 that save the date I uh AMD asked me to

69:53 be at their thing and I kind of went oh well I'm not to be there and they said

69:56 oh well don't worry about it we'll cover your extra hotel and we'll cover any

69:59 fees to change your flight or whatever else we really want you to be there and I kind of went oh okay well sure so now

70:05 NVIDIA reminds me about that thing and I'm like oh I'll be there but oh I'm

70:08 going to be at AMD's thing cuz they're covering my hotel I can't not be there

70:13 so that's that's real awkward they were like really we sent you a save the date

70:17 like weeks ago man I'm like ah I'm sorry

70:21 yeah that's not going to go over well they'll probably like heavy beaten or something yeah in Vegas I hope they at

70:26 least use the bar of soap so that I'm not all bruised for the rest of the

70:32 week yeah they uh no they'll just they they'll toy with you emotionally it's

70:36 that's usually how it is they'll toy with you emotionally with a bar of

70:41 soap or might involve soap and another I don't know anyway okay I'll talk to you

70:46 later man I'll see you at the show all right dude okay bye

70:51 bye all right so guys that was awfully fun at least for me cuz I'm such a fan

70:56 girl of Anan and I love everything he does so let's go ahead and move into our

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75:47 my my favorite moments of the Anand Linus meeting version two really that's

75:51 how you're going to be about this wow I think that was the most glorious

75:56 fantastic incredibly shiny intro we've ever had for anyone ever which was the

76:01 like I love you please don't run away because I love you so much intro which

76:06 was amazing um I don't think you've ever

76:09 asked someone if you could interrupt them before and then after doing I

76:14 usually just talk over them yep and then after that you then interrupted him but

76:18 paused for a second you're like oh I'm sorry like is this okay and then he said

76:23 yes and then you kept going which was fantastic and then later on you went to

76:27 go interrupt him but then stopped yourself and said oh I want to bring

76:31 this up later but but but you can keep going it's okay and then Drew back and I

76:36 I thought that was just fantastic and then once it was over even though it had

76:39 gone over time uhhuh you made it

76:43 continue which was just it just

76:47 beautiful I wish I still had do we still have the footage I don't know I'm

76:52 actually not sure I don't know what they did with it they hit it okay yeah if we

76:55 still have the footage I might leak some of it on the after party tonight but I'm

76:58 not sure if we still have the footage wow that's how you're going to be about this oh I forgot we have some other

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77:41 take it and they're just like oh yeah okay I guess so sure yeah yeah we'll

77:45 we'll take it we'll take it so I also have something pretty exciting to tell

77:50 you guys about wd's present at the show present at the show they are doing a wd

77:55 fan night which you can only get to if

77:59 you hear about it through someone that they're affiliated with basically this

78:03 isn't just on the WD website okay you have to hear about it somewhere spaces

78:08 will fill up if you're planning to be at CES if you're planning so if you're

78:13 going to be down in Las Vegas at the beginning of January you can register at

78:18 wpro WD Fen night and uh there's going

78:22 to be uh creative professional such as renowned Sports Illustrated photographer

78:26 Peter Reed Miller professional Gamers Scara and O from Team dignitas artist

78:32 drew broy musician Mike I Paris from the band o or or I don't even know who any

78:37 of these people are I'm so I I live on like another planet where all that

78:41 exists is work and my baby he he's always like oh why do you think I'm like

78:45 Out Of Tune with society and stuff and then if you go watch and if you go back

78:49 and watch the Omni video when he's like Converse con no one seen Converse before

78:56 because I don't leave my house okay or

78:59 this place anyway guys check it out WD

79:02 fan night I I'm pretty sure I'll be there I think it's on my calendar that's

79:06 Tuesday January 7th let me check my calendar so guys please only sign up if

79:11 you're actually going to be in Vegas during that time and you're actually planning to go there so um you know you

79:16 don't want to take away a spot from someone else who could otherwise be there uh but yes I will be there I will

79:22 be there on WD fan appreciation night so that's going to be pretty cool okay so I

79:28 think without further Ado I don't have any topics to further Ado right now cuz

79:32 for some reason in my awe of Anan while

79:35 he was on the show I closed my topics doc so go ahead and find our next one

79:39 here splashed out the topic St somehow either way we can do uh consumer versus

79:43 Enterprise hard drive reliability so I believe the article was such BS

79:49 unfortunately I mean it would have been great if it was real so well it's

79:55 it's real it's just not scientifically valid in any way so this was tweeted to

79:59 me by Austin topnotch PC law guys to be clear

80:05 tweeting something at me is not the best way to get an article featured on the

80:09 show please post in the new section of lus tech tips Forum um but sometimes I

80:13 do happen to see things on Twitter and they do make their way into the dock so

80:16 back Blaze finds Enterprise drives fail more often than consumer hard drives is

80:21 the extremely incendiary

80:25 top or um headline of this article so I'll let you tear it apart I think

80:29 they're just mad to be completely honest I'm assuming that's where this coming

80:32 from they're like oh why are so many failing let's rip them apart because

80:36 they they have to understand that the way they did this was not entirely true

80:40 and like a lot of the quotes that are in this are directly from back black

80:43 Blaze's back Blaze's blog that's a lot

80:46 of bees back Blaze blog um like it's directly in there where it's like well

80:51 do you think reliability of these make any sense no like it's all it's all the

80:55 sensationalized part is in back Blaze's blog so that was kind of interesting the

80:59 sample size is like not okay there's 368

81:05 Enterprise drives and there's 14,719 consumer drives um where is it oh

81:13 crap where was the failure rates I thought you put it in the dock I thought

81:18 I did too so apparently 17 Enterprise drives failed over two years and 613

81:23 consumer drives failed then they broke it down to percentages and found that

81:26 4.6% of the Enterprise drives failed while 4.2% of the consumer drives failed

81:32 but there's a big problem with that which you outlined here perfectly which

81:36 is where if one Enterprise one less Enterprise Drive failed they were almost

81:40 equated for percentages and if two less failed it was like a chunk better like

81:45 two. 2% better which is like no to be

81:49 able to do an actual study like this you need one the sample sizes need to be the

81:53 same freaking side and two they weren't tested in the same environments yes they

81:57 were tested in very different environments so the Enterprise basically

82:00 the only real conclusion that we can take away from this because the

82:03 Enterprise drives were tested in a much heavier workload than the Consumer grade

82:08 drives so all we can take away from this is that Enterprise drives when being

82:13 used in their intended workload which is much heavier might fail about the same

82:19 as consumer grade drives when used in a lighter workload which is like what hard

82:23 drive manufacturer wouldn't freaking told to that there there was even some

82:26 more wonky stuff too because the Enterprise drives had nicer more padded

82:32 enclosures but not by much but then were worked a lot harder then the consumer

82:37 drives had not as good enclosures that had a little bit more vibration but then

82:40 weren't worked as much so like there's even more weird variables that you're

82:44 throwing so many variables yeah so one thing one good takeaway from this in my

82:49 mind is that holy crap consumer drives don't fail that much yeah really cool

82:53 cuz we use super drives in our server yep we use a lot of refurbished ones no

82:57 no there are no refurbs in the server right now okay that's good Although our

83:01 storage expansion upgrade that's coming soon so the the working drive for 4K

83:06 footage is probably going to be refurb drives but it's a working drive but

83:10 it'll be raid 10 okay so it's it's not

83:13 going to be reliant on you know absolutely no drives can fail OMG so I'm

83:18 I'm going to throw a RAID 10 in there of 3 terab referb drives cool but yeah like

83:22 this article was is no not really right

83:25 in my opinion but it's still an interesting thing to look at and like

83:28 take the percentages not really 100% to heart but you can look at it still and

83:32 just I I don't know maybe be a little bit more confident in your consumer

83:35 drive and just make sure that it has good padding you're probably good to go

83:39 all right so this one apparently I screwed up and uh let me just make sure

83:45 that there's nothing showing on my screen right now that's going to be a

83:49 problem I don't think so does my hangouts matter I can sign out right it

83:53 shows the yeah okay there we go let's hold on

83:57 let's scroll down should be fine yep there's probably going to be

84:02 something I don't see anything okay so here we go all right so screen share

84:06 time guys this was a PM someone sent me please post in the news section of the

84:10 Forum please um anyway don't go up here's a panel some so this is on the

84:14 subject of the Dell 4K 28 in monitor

84:18 that's actually less expensive than the 4k 24in monitor but uses a TN panel so

84:23 someone uh I don't even remember who it was cuz they didn't post for so um so

84:27 someone said here's a panel someone on G found it seems to match up pretty well

84:32 with what we know about the 28in monitor Dell's releasing for under $1,000 it is

84:36 a TN panel but it seems to be a really good TN panel so it has wide color gamut

84:42 10 bit color depth although I've seen 6-bit TN panels that are definitely not

84:47 as good as 6bit IPS panels so let's be real clear more bits is not necessarily

84:51 the most important thing in the world 60 HZ refresh rate which make sense and 80°

84:56 viewing angle it would make sense for it to be a TN panel since it's only $1,000

85:00 but it might not be that bad after all so there it is guys the n280 dj-

85:07 l30 and the specs look like they are

85:10 might be it potentially not that bad oh

85:13 sorry sorry sorry I what the you somehow

85:17 oh wow what have I done okay hold on guys bear with me for a second here uh

85:22 where is it okay wow not sure what happened there okay anyway we're back

85:27 um so to be clear good TN panels exist they're still

85:34 not the one uses a TN panel yeah the viewing angles are excellent the color

85:38 reproduction is excellent so they do exist they are

85:42 slower than the overdriven TN panels that we find in products like that isus

85:47 monitor that both Anan and I agree which of course fills me with much much

85:52 wonderment uh both agree isn't very good because it's overdriven to refresh 144

85:58 times a second and still give you a crystal clear image that means they just

86:02 can't do as much with the quality of that image so a good TN panel might not

86:08 necessarily be as optimal for gaming it might not be as fast but the viewing

86:11 angles and the color reproduction might actually be okay so I'm pretty excited

86:15 to see what Dell has up their sleeve with this 28 in 4k monitor cuz in my

86:20 mind 24 may actually be a touch too

86:23 small to even just 54k I mean a 2560 X 1440 24 in that's not bad it be hard to

86:29 pick out the individual pixels huh I'm not sure well I'll have to like compare

86:34 them yeah I guess to be honest i' have I'd have to see them close up all right

86:39 we're digging into my email again for do you have another topic do you want to do maybe a rapid fire topic while I dig

86:43 this up jump onto one if you give me one second some of the rapid fire topics got

86:47 all messed up but we can jump into the Xbox one thing ah yes cuz this is

86:53 hilarious so so trolled so apparently someone released

86:58 an image which we can maybe hopefully get on screen here soon which it looks

87:02 looks fairly official like it's not super well done but it's okay um it says

87:07 Xbox 360 backwards compatibility unlock

87:10 by default Xbox 360 backwards compatibility is disabled on Xbox One to

87:14 unlock it follow these steps one go to the system menu two press left button

87:19 right button left trigger right trigger I know but we might be doing podcast

87:22 soon oh right in order to in order in

87:26 order quickly select the developer console check the enable devkit box

87:31 change sandbox ID to free zone. reboot which is where you should start thinking

87:35 this is kind of bull crap um six select

87:38 reset Home console and then it says Xbox 360 games will now be playable on your

87:43 console the problem is it will just boot loop infinitely because you put it into

87:46 reboot mode where it will just continuously reboot and will never

87:49 actually really do anything essentially breaking your Xbox One breaking your box

87:54 one but wait it gets better folks because that's not all from this week we

87:59 also have troll number two which is even

88:03 better in my opinion actually even better did you know. tumblr.com

88:08 any iPhone can be charged in the microwave oven 15 to 25 times faster

88:13 than the charger that came with it try it now plug your cable into the iPhone

88:16 put your iPhone in the center of the oven and coil the cable around it step

88:20 three set the timer in the oven for 10 to 20 seconds step four you now have a

88:23 char charge iPhone this works because microwaves use the same Principle as

88:27 wireless charging pads by rearranging the electrons in your phone's battery to

88:31 gather at the negative terminal remember to leave your cable plugged

88:34 in so there are some there are some

88:37 Yahoo answers posts with folks being like hey I um I tried it is there any

88:44 way I can uh fix it now and the answer

88:47 is no unfortunately love how the best ansers the best answer on that one's

88:51 like dude you Zapped your phone

88:55 ah like yeah no you you you screwed up on that one not not going to work out

89:00 for you at all yeah that is that is a crying shame right there all right so

89:04 I'm ready with this next uh this next article that's in my email supposedly um

89:10 no no I am not hold on I'll be ready in a second though I'm almost ready okay

89:14 I'm almost ready should I try and grab something Apple Smartwatch is rumored to

89:17 be coming in October 2014 and will apparently support wireless

89:21 charging I guess I kind of said the whole thing I was just going to say is

89:24 that is that is that the whole topic that's the whole topic is there more

89:28 okay what was the original Source again I can't remember for the Apple Smartwatch yeah they've they have been

89:33 right about stuff in the past that was our Forum they've also been wrong about

89:38 stuff in the past so the so the original poster was jati Joe petite Joe peti yeah

89:46 and the source is tweakers.net all right so let's go ahead and hop over to

89:50 Linus's screen where Samsung sent me a pretty awesome email about their rapid

89:55 technology being available on 840 Pro ssds now so if you already have an 840

90:00 Pro and the 840 Evo came out and you were like Samsung hey hey Samsung hey

90:07 what what's going on why don't I have rapid technology cuz rapid is cool what

90:11 is this rapid allows you to use your RAM to accelerate your storage subsystem it

90:16 can use up to a gig of your RAM at a time and it's awesome and it works but

90:19 it was only available on Samsung your consumer grade drive not your PR grade

90:23 Drive what is this so it's now available for existing 840 Pro owners or anyone

90:28 who buys that SSD in the future and

90:31 they've also enabled some new trusted Computing thing on the 840 Evo which I'm

90:35 sure is important but I'm not as interested in that as raw performance

90:39 and finally they have a one terabyte

90:43 Matata SSD now so it's an 840 Evo

90:47 meaning you have support for Rapid meaning you have support for their you

90:51 know awesome data migration utility and all that great stuff and you have one

90:56 terte of storage in a notebook pretty sick which is just balling my favorite

91:01 part about m ssds is like they're like

91:06 that big yeah I know they're tin they have so much ridiculous amounts of

91:09 storage on them I know it's amazing it's it's kind of like those uh those sandis

91:14 USB drives that we had I showed you those things right where it's like

91:17 literally the size of the connector like I put it in I'm like how am I supposed to get this out of the port and it's

91:21 like 64 gigs it's like where did you where did you put that and we have SD

91:26 cards now from uh Kings oh no we have a micro SD from SanDisk as well that is 64

91:32 gigs and can do like 45 megabytes per second rights and like 90 Megs per

91:35 second reads it's ridiculous flash storage it's not the end of development

91:41 and uh improvements there I know we're dropping a lot of frames guys there's not a whole lot we can do it right now

91:45 I've been talking to the twitch chat about all the different problems and what not that are going on with the

91:48 frames we're good I think we'll make it through so I think we covered all of our

91:52 main topics for this week do we have anything left we have some stuff but

91:57 this is hilarious oh yeah yeah this is actually slightly older news guys but

92:01 check this out this is from holy ca. alltop

92:05 do.com 140,000 VHS tapes from

92:10 1977 to 2012 were found in storage all

92:15 right so basically Miz Stokes this lady

92:18 died at age 83 and at some point in

92:22 1977 she decided that she was going to tape all the news

92:27 ever so she planned her life around it she would feed six-hour tapes into the

92:32 news channel recorders late at night and

92:35 then she'd wake up early the next day to change them or conscript family members

92:39 to do it if she wasn't home she'd cut short meals at restaurants to rush home

92:43 before tapes ended and when she got too old to keep up she trained a younger

92:46 helper named Frank to run the various recording equipment so it is

92:51 potentially the most

92:55 uh the most complete news recording archive in

93:01 existence and it's on 140,000 VHS tapes

93:05 and who's going to deal with

93:10 that I'd have to imagine it has to end up somewhere you can't just throw all

93:15 that history away I know but like who's that's amazing I know but who's going to

93:19 do it I don't know like and okay one

93:22 thing that I don't know can INSP people to do it if he can build

93:26 a Nikolai Tesla Museum then maybe he can

93:29 do this maybe meal if you're watching which I know you aren't he's not I know

93:34 way too cool for us I love the oatmeal okay you got an N to watch if we

93:39 can get the oatmeal on this show then

93:43 during his entire guest segment I will like I'll go behind the couch I will

93:47 take my underwear off and I will wear them on my head for the entire guest

93:52 segment okay if someone can convince the

93:55 oatmeal to come and be on our show for half an hour because I would fan girl

93:59 out so hard God would you fan girl out as hard as you do with an end he hasn't

94:04 had as much of an impact on the direction of my life as an end um but I

94:09 think he's awesome well no he has know I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing today

94:13 if I know you know what screw you he hasn't had this profound impact on my

94:18 life he hasn't driven me to do great things in other news the Nexus 5 had has

94:23 had a silent done talking about the last oh we're done talking about it now the

94:28 next is five this was posted by Joe petite J petite I don't know man jaati

94:33 on the Forum has had a silent Hardware revision that actually addresses one of

94:37 my major complaints about that well two of my major complaints about the device number one is that they have expanded

94:42 the speaker grills see they're bigger now so more sound in theory number two

94:47 is they have updated the buttons to be harder to press and more clicky a little

94:51 bit more tactile this might have seemed like a petty complaint and I think some

94:55 people didn't like this in my Nexus 5 review but to me having buttons

95:00 positioned so that when you go to press one of them you accidentally press the

95:04 one that is opposed to it on the other side of the phone is a big usability

95:07 problem accidentally changing your volume all the time or whatever else is a problem I don't like that on the HTC1

95:11 as well that's one of my major complaints on this phone because the lock is up here the volume is here so

95:16 the way a right-handed person might hold the phone to unlock it is like this and

95:20 you often match Mash that volume button and they're not they don't stick out far

95:24 enough and they're not hard enough to press for you to really feel it so I thought that was a valid complaint and I

95:29 was right because they fixed it either way how would you feel if you were an

95:32 Nexus 5 owner uh actually kind of jipped kind of owned because if I if I like is

95:36 actually a bad word you may not even know that no yeah cuz it it refers to

95:41 gypsies pretty much there's an insane

95:44 amount of words that are actually terrible and people use them every day

95:47 you know that's referring to someone as a young buck is actually disrespectful

95:50 as well it's it's uh it was like an insult for Native Amer Americans if I

95:54 recall correctly someone said that in my like grade 10 social studies class and

95:59 the teacher like flipped out and she had no idea she was like what and she's like

96:04 the nicest girl in the world like one of those just like super nice girl why she

96:07 flip out she obviously didn't know I he was kind of an interesting guy is crazy

96:12 yeah all right I'm not going to talk about former teachers on the show they

96:15 might be watching they probably aren't I would I like a lot of my former teachers

96:19 Mr Thompson Mr first Mr trle probably none of them are watching at all of them

96:24 are watching at all but that would be awesome isn't it sad that they don't know how famous you are now actually

96:28 some of them do do they oh cool so the

96:31 Pirate Bay is going to be making domain names irrelevant they've actually

96:36 switched domain names twice in a matter of days and their new system is going to

96:42 allow them to get around domain takedowns by um well implementing The

96:47 Pirate Bay within its own web browser whoa I didn't read this topic I

96:53 just assumed they had some other thing going on that's nope crazy so this was

96:57 posted by guns cool on the Forum and uh the original article is from techy

97:23 but the Pirate Bay um has revealed this switch to Pirate bay. p is a temporary

97:28 switch the team is working on a bit torrent powered browser that will enable

97:33 users to store and share files with other users without requiring a central

97:38 hosting thereby eliminating the need for domain name completely so the actual

97:44 sharing of tracker information will be done peer-to-peer in much the same way

97:47 that the file sharing is already done peer-to-peer so there will be no one to

97:52 go after in theory could they just use like a lightly modified version of

97:58 Firefox so quote from the article is once that is available all links and

98:03 sites will be accessible through a perfectly legal piece of browser

98:06 software and the rest of it will be P2P with no Central Point to attack via the

98:12 legal system I think I don't know if they're going to but I think they could

98:15 just lightly modify the open source code for Firefox and just like easily have

98:20 this highly up updated really well performing browser

98:24 so isn't that fascinating that's smart I

98:27 like they might be making their own from the ground up I have no idea I haven't read this um article unfortunately

98:32 although I'm like super interested now and I'm totally going to read it I added

98:35 this at the last minute I actually didn't tell him um I was just posting

98:38 links on my phone I know I saw that coming in I was just focused on editing

98:42 the other the uh the other video um so that's fascinating hey that's super

98:47 crazy score one for the Pirates potentially here like how do you get

98:51 around that because yeah it could just just be like a button on the browser

98:55 that is just automatically updated and directed to the site or or like there's

99:00 so many or it doesn't even have to be a website at that point the browser could

99:04 just directly interface with it automatically y like holy crap yeah

99:09 that's good because there's there's stuff like this there's there's been like browsing applications like views I

99:14 guess you could technically say but it still interfaces with websites that actually manage everything it's just a

99:19 browser that accesses those websites this way it would be oh man yeah I know

99:25 it's like mine huge deal they just won the game

99:29 the game yeah the game for now the game

99:33 I'm trolling people oh all right all

99:36 right well that's it guys thank you so much for watching The W show I hope you

99:40 enjoyed it uh wow we we're ending somewhat on time today and we started on

99:45 time yeah besides the dropped frames which

99:48 hopefully we'll have addressed next week with our new fiber optic Uplink yeah

99:54 yeah super stoked for that that's going to be awesome so take care guys thank

99:59 you again for watching and what do I usually say at the end of the show I

100:03 think it changes all the time actually does it change all the time and then we usually end up talking and then just

100:07 randomly ending the broadcast big thanks for our sponsors Hotspot Shield and

100:10 Intel and our CES sponsors who are n c Corsair and Western Digital how how long

100:15 it someone says unsubbed unfollowed well sorry man is it cuz I forgot what to say

100:20 at the end how how long until CES is it a month less than a month like yeah it's

100:24 coming up on like the third yeah it's like 3 weeks we're going to die oh my

100:28 God peace out everyone okay bye oh what

100:32 the oh what come on oh that means that it's not

100:38 done is the volume even going to be right what what are you what are you

100:42 talking about I'm putting on our our intro thing oh the volume's not going to

100:47 be right can you just play the other scene I don't think is it in there no

100:51 you moved it no I moved it from this one I think we're done here okay