think uhoh who it worked but then I was like uh oh sorry that's my ring tone all
right so guys welcome to the W show the weekly show where we make asses of
ourselves on a regular basis we actually have some corrections from last week's
show that I would like to get right out of the way here at the beginning so
number one correction is that um if you
fire a bullet straight up into the air terminal velocity and wind resistance
and all that stuff it's not coming down at exactly the same speed that it was
when it's going up and it's yeah well I
didn't so I'm correcting myself if that's okay with you so if it's fired
straight up into the air the odds of it actually killing someone are extremely
low however what we were talking about
was shooting down drones in which case you wouldn't necessarily be firing up
directly in the air and still has the same effect MythBusters busted the myth
that firing straight up will cause it to come down at the same speed but what
they also found is that if you fire up at an angle it there is a very good
chance that it would kill someone because it maintains a lot of its forward momentum regardless of the whole
falling speed what not it might still be flipping and stuff we were technically
wrong but it's still dangerous if people shoot at drones so that's number one
another correction from last week is that HDMI 2.0 does have support for 8K
it's just the reason that we didn't give any cares about it is that it's at 30
frames per second or 24 or something like that so it's like weren't we also
specifically talking about 1.4 yes we were specifically talking about 1.4 at
that point in time all right also we were a little bit simplistic about the
whole Walmart thing and sort of the supply chain and how much things cost so
there was an article here that was linked to me it's on Google+ lonus I'm a
fan but your extremely simplistic explanation of the cost of bringing in a product was unbelievably condescending
and just plain wrong so there you guys have it you can check that out on
Google+ where I said good point we'll discuss on the next show but one of the
objections that this particular viewer had was that 30 years ago the average
ratio of what the mean income of a worker at a company versus the CEO was
was about 30 to1 whereas now it's about 270 to1 and that is a completely
separate issue one that does need to be addressed at some point and that lonus
Media Group definitely believes firmly in um fighting because I actually don't
get paid much more than anyone else who works here so that 30 to1 is not not not
a not a thing I can strive for that 30 to1 I will be I will be pretty impressed
with myself manag to pull think companies that have 30 to1 are like
Giant chains and stuff well yes not four
person teams well four person teams could still I could just I could just
take all of the money yes I don't even know if that would still
equate if I paid everyone minimum minum wage and still took everything I still
don't think you'd make it and we'd like lose the house oh all
the sad face all right so we have some great topics for you guys today number
one is Haswell e specs have been allegedly leaked perhaps they're right
perhaps they're not we don't know but there was an article posted that seems
to have some either correct specs or
what look like fairly realistic fake specs also the smart bra could be a
thing is it for women is it for gamers
we don't know also our guest today is Anand from Anand Tech so the guy who got
me into PCS if you guys like built your first PC by watching our videos then
he's like the equivalent of that for me because reading his articles was what
really got me passionate about computers and technology so I'm extremely excited
to have him joining us in about 25 minutes here and then we've also got
some other cool stuff before we fire up that intro so we've got consumer hard
drives versus Enterprise hard drives in terms of reliability there was a test
done kind of it's we'll talk about observations of an environment um and
then there's a bunch of Xbox One trolls and a bunch of iPhone trolls and this is
getting hilarious but consistent and I I feel bad but it's still really funny so
so without further Ado let's get on with the show
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sure that you check that out so without
further ado why don't we get into our first topic here which is that Oculus
has gotten a massive $75 million in
additional funding to jump start the virtual reality business so this was
posted on the Forum by top war gamer the original article is from the verge.com
and how excited are you about this cuz you're probably the biggest Oculus
Fanboy in like it's probably 100 kilm
square from here at least probably actually did I tell you for for like my
family Christmas thing I'm bringing my computer and Oculus home so everyone can
try it did I tell you about that we have people like coming in from Eastern
Canada to visit us and all this kind of stuff my mom was like oh we need an activity I was like we can all play
Oculus Rift so she was down so we're doing that wow that awesome like that
might extend that range that he just came up with by a little bit family
Christmas at the uh at at Luke's
family's seriously 100% I'm stoked there
we go all right uh so all a lot of this
money is going towards actually like producing making and getting ready to
sell mass production like making it happen I mean the the development they
already kind of spent that money they kind of have them now but that's they
need way more of them as everyone on Kickstarter ever discovered there's a
lot more to raising the funding to bring a product to Market than just covering
the cost of having it manufactured and then kind of
going yeah we're done yeah so that's what a lot of the money is going to and
an interesting quote from one of the big investors who's now going to be on the
board because he invested so much money or not exact quote but basically what he
was saying was when he saw the developer kit he wasn't 100% sold and he wasn't
ready to invest which I completely understand because when you have the
developer kit you can see all these pixels and you can actually like easily
see the Grid in between the you have one right yeah yeah and it's it's it's
wonderful but you can still see the pixels so it's still kind of a rough experience and he said that once he saw
the consumer version which is a higher resolution he was sold and he was ready
to invest all that money so that actually makes me super stoked because I haven't tried the highres version yet
which like man I'm stoked because that's one of the biggest things that I find holding it back and for me personally
what I'm really excited for is the consumer version to be released a whole
bunch of people to buy it and then people start building accessories for it
like uh when we were testing the Omni the gun that was there was not super
great I was so sad when I saw Yan's uh
Shark Tank appearance I don't know if you guys watch Shark Tank but yon I
can't remember his last name but he's a super nice guy he actually if you search
for virtuix Omni on YouTube um him
walking us through like a tour of the product is one of the first hits he's a
great guy he he invented the Omni and uh
he was on Shark Tank I think his issue was he was asking for too much money for
too small a share in the company because otherwise I think they wouldn't have so
harsh but they basically just said uh I think the the lady invest potential
investor said something like if my husband brought this home I'd divorce
him or something like that and I mean I understand that from a mainstream
perspective but we need we need guys
like Yan and we need guys building accessories for this and turning it into
more than just a thing you put at your on your head and sit in your chair we
need things in fact where ah where' my stinky footboard go we need things that
enhance the way that you interact with your PC whether it's the tongue
controller that that valve employee developed or the buttock controller or
foot pedals all these different ways that go beyond keyboard or Mouse and be
on the controller that debate of keyboard mouse versus controller might
just be completely dead in another 5 years and I'm extremely excited to see
that anyway sorry I hijacked your topic yeah I know it's all good because one of the biggest things I found with fairly
extended use with the Oculus is when you want to start doing more things a
keyboard and mouse is not ideal believe me freaking love keyboard and mouse but
when you have an Oculus on your face and and you do a 180 in your chair it's not
really going to work out so well you can't be like uh we need Wireless Oculus
we really need Wireless we need Wireless Oculus for one or we need some type of
cable management system that can swivel with you oh okay where it's like oh you
know what could probably be done even now and this is going to sound super
dorky but think about this if you could get um like even something crazy like
edel's 2600 mAh battery pack like if you carry like if you had like a like almost
a backpack based battery whether it's DC
or AC depending on how you would power all the other stuff and then a wireless
HDMI kit which are actually you can get them for around 100 to 200 bucks these
days that could be a pretty good DIY
people have been doing concept art of the whole idea they've been thinking of backpacks that were specially made for
it so that they're they don't stick out way too far so they're Slimline against
your back and different stuff like that with big flat batter yeah brilliant so
something like that coming out um better guns which are more realistic coming out
that you could have so you could have mags on your belt and you take one out
and put it like Drop it or do whatever and then or put it in your belt and then
take another one loaded in and that's how you reload your gun uh stuff like
that would be fantastic just all these different accessories which will make it
so much better and then something like an omni so that you don't have to sit in
this chair with a keyboard mouse cuz right now that's the most awkward thing
is not the Oculus it's all the other things you have to do with the Oculus
paired with the resolution issues so once the resolution issues are solved
and all these accessories come out this be be freaking
awesome oh man I'm stoked jeez so stoked
that you don't even have to get an Oculus for Christmas to make it the
central part of your Christmas yeah yeah all right I'll just bring it there
speaking of more extremely exciting news steam o is available today we've
actually we're we're going to make this one of our main discussion points with
Anan when he arrives so I don't want to get too much into it but uh we can talk
about Steam OS actually I mean I guess it's slightly different I'll be talking
with him about steam box not Steam OS
yeah but a steam box is just a box with Steam OS on it and Hardware in it so
anyway this was posted by guns cool on the Forum and the original article is
from The Verge with um basically just an
announcement that Steam OS will be available to download on Lucky Friday
the 13th and beyond that valve is
shipping out those 300 prototype steam
boxes that they had whoops I'm on the wrong scene here that they had promised
and uh a few lucky people are getting a very early look at Steam OS and steambox
now to be clear
um they're not really recommending that people just run out download Steam OS
and then Chuck it on any old PC unless they're experienced Linux hack or people
that are that are pretty good at that sort of thing already because it is not
ready at all plus the learning curve will be a little bit steeper than if
you're just installing Windows where it's just like put in USB press okay
press okay press okay enter a product key and you're done I'm I'm thinking
that if if it becomes available like I haven't I haven't seen if someone has a
download link for it like I've gone to the Steam OS page and it says download will be available soon I don't know if
that's actually where they're releasing it because it's in beta so someone has the proper download page if you could
tweet it to me or spam it in chat or something that would be awesome and I
might try and see if I can Tinker with it and if I can get it working easily
enough over the weekend do you think we should do benchmarks or you think we should wait for the official release you
you know what I am actually less interested in benchmarking Steam OS from
a local play perspective okay and I am
more interested in benchmarking Steam OS from a network play perspective but that
should work it should yeah so that but
to me building the powerful steam box
doesn't actually make a ton of sense if Network play works well yeah which I
don't see why it wouldn't and we're so close to Consumer grade 10 GB l
that we could be looking at with compression 4K streaming by the time 4K
TVs are really available and affordable and good um so with all of that in mind
I just don't think we need powerful graphics cards in these things so n um
what I would like to take a look at more than anything else is the latency y of
the network streaming so I actually all the things I got today I got so much
cool stuff today you guys uh we got a new lens from Sigma it's a 24 to 105 I
think 24 to 105 mm lens it's an F4 um
the sharpness should be just outstanding some of their new stuff has been great
we got our 4K recorder for the Sony fs700 camera so we are ready to rock
with a sharp new lens and our 4K recorder so excited about that um I got
okay this I mean I guess it doesn't sound as exciting as that stuff but this is the one I was about to say was I got
a USB 2 GB Ethernet adapter for my shield so what's up um seem concerned
what the title's wrong that's all keep going it's not wrong well okay I guess
we should say we're live now fine um so
right so I got a USB to GB Ethernet adapter so that means I'm going to be
able to run NVIDIA Shield in 1080P mode
on my TV rather than relying on wireless and being limited to 720p so what we can
do is because we just picked up one of
these babies yeah that's right and because we
have shield and because if you can figure it out we'll have Steam OS set up
we could actually look at these different streaming Solutions which I really think is the future not
necessarily streaming over the when over the internet but streaming to yourself
to all your devices locally is extremely exciting to me extremely get
it is is extremely exciting to me and
I'd like to have a look at how all these Solutions are comparing to each other so stay tuned guys that is definitely
something that we're going to be looking into later okay apparently we do have a
link and you can download Steam OS right
now that's so ghetto that's awesome super ghetto like FTP like oh wow that's
amazing I I love you valve all right so
let's get into our first headline topic I actually don't even I don't even think
this qualifies as a headline topic I mean come on man oh I'm stoked but it's
it's more like a rapid fire topic but we're just turning it into a headline
topic because whatever awesome all right so this was posted by nice hat on the
Forum Microsoft's new smart bra stops
you from emotionally
overeating okay
so all right all right okay so hold on hold on let's let's be mature for a
second here can we be mature for a second what
I say the word boobies and you laugh is that how this works I actually didn't
laugh at that no but braier smart bra nope not even uh smart bra
so smart bra that's where you draw the line okay so it actually has a control
board on it it has sensors for detecting
your stress levels as well as your heart
rates and um okay B basically it's a
wearable stress sensor and you know okay I'm all for wearable tech and if it did
something else I would probably be like oh that's pretty cool but it tells you
to stop eating just like
really now hold on a second now the the
claim the claim right now so the designer when asked about a male version
because it's like what so only women need to stop eating is that what you're trying to say okay so the designer said
her team did try to develop a version for men but that male underwear is too
far away from the heart for an accurate EKG
reading so basically it'll only work for
I mean unless men could wear bers then
then it would work in theory yeah but then you could just buy the ladies
version as long as they don't make it just sort of pink and frilly I mean okay wearable tech extremely exciting but I
think for now to put the amount of
processing power into something to make it legitimately useful we're going to be
looking at this kind of wearable tech or this kind of wearable tech and not so
much socks and brers and all that kind of stuff okay if they had a a smart
breier so that you it could tell your phone your rate but it didn't but it
didn't bleed out going oh my God you're eating too much that would make so much
more sense to me if it was affordable that okay that's fine CU you
could hey if it was a sports bra you could track your heart weight while running okay and you wouldn't have to
wear any extra stuff so you don't mind if it's a piece of athletic gear I have
I don't even care if it's a piece of personal gear it doesn't matter I just I think it's kind of insane that it's like
cuz it one it's going to go off at all the wrong times I already brought this
up with you you're going to be in a movie you're going to be enjoying the movie and get really into it your heart
rate's going to go up like you're like going to take a bite of popcorn it's going to be
like you're overstressed stop eating do you think it vibrates do you think it
texts your phone how do you think it works you don't think it vibrates it communicates with your phone it doesn't
vibrate you could keep your phone in your bra you could and then that could
vibrate yes all right but like yeah
you're going to be in a movie you're going to be eating and then it's going to freak out so the original article was
from extreme Tech I think I had forgotten to say that before want to
make sure that giv credit where credit is due and I I I don't even you know what guys
hit us on the Twitter Blitz for this one let's let's do a Twitter Blitz right
after this topic right after this next topic and before Anan joins us because
it's just tell us your thoughts in 140 characters or less mine is tech on
Twitter and I think that's about all we have to say so let's do one of our um
let's do one of our rapid fire topics here we've actually got quite a few you
know what this is something that was news apparently if you press enter right
after it it turns into a link yeah that's good that it does that because that's annoying um it's a lot better
than Excel where you have to actually highlight it into that field ridiculous
okay so this was posted online as Tech tips forum and apparently I'm on page
two oh no here we go so by snow Comet Sony announced a micro USB thumb drive
uh for Android devices that is small enough to carry at all times it has a
standard USB connector on one end so you can see standard USB here so that goes
right into your port and then has micro USB on the other end it has on the-go
functionality meaning that on Android 4.0.3 or later apparently 4.4 is not yet
supported so that's kind of interesting uh you can have 8 gigs 16 gigs or 32
gigs of storage available to you and the
interesting to me thing to me about this was that this already exists but for
some reason when Sony does it it's making you know headlines and when
Patriot does it um we're the only ones who apparently know we've actually got a
sample of the Stellar already so if my
uh if my internet would go a little bit faster here I would be able to show that to you guys but basically it's pretty
much the same thing and it's available in up to 64 gigs so Patriot has the jump
on Sony for that particular thing speaking of your internet not going fast
enough we might be getting some awesomeness on Tuesday or we like we are
getting some awesomeness on Tuesday or we might be we are they're coming they're coming we are getting some
awesomeness I watched the hobit last night so it's like
it just total flashbacks that was awesome thank
you okay so anyway we're we you going to tell them what's coming on Tuesday or
well I I was you know more about it than I do oh well basically we have a new
internet connection coming in it's going to be 50 mag down which who cares but
compared to our five Meg up that we have now on cable we are going to have 10 Meg
up on fiber and we're probably like the
only people in the area on fiber and I think the company that we're going
doesn't do shared connection no they
don't you should have seen he's on the phone and he like moves the phone away
from his house or house head and freaks out and like falls to the floor and is
all excited and then all of a sudden goes like yep that sounds
good I didn't know it was a fiber connection no because that service is
not fiber in every area it just happens to be fiber here yes because it's it's
ADSL Plus in a lot of places and but
they still have that service but it's like you know how it's always advertised
Max 10 Meg whatever yeah yeah our area
like I called the general line and they had to transfer me to like the fiber
team in order to get it set up like our area is fiber that's awesome so I'm like
super stalked I just made sure all your links were hyperlink for the future oh
thank you ready to go I appreciate that and I'm internet was working that would
be fantastic I am like super trying to do this but I am like super not having a
ton of success and P rots SEO is super not terrific so between all of those
super things going on right now there's not a whole lot I can do to show you guys the Stellar unless I can there it
is yay oh really seriously oh yeah there
we go there we go okay so this is the Stellar you guys so just like the Sony
one it's got a micro USB on one end and then it has fulls size USB 3 which is
even better than the Sony one on the other end available in three different
sizes 1632 and 64 and it is on the go
ready in fact just as a quick test I plugged it into the bottom of my one and
it worked flawlessly they also have the cosmos which is um not a USB thumb drive
it's different it is a please have your
site work thank you Cosmos which is an on thee-o so it
has USB 2 on one end and micro USB on the other end uh SD card and micro SD
card reader so this one's actually kind of cool because you're not just limited to the storage limited to the storage
it's actually on the device itself you could just carry around like a Pelican
case full of SD cards and then you could carry all the data with you if you were
obsessive compulsive enough to actually manage like transferring everything and
like archiving it all on SD so yeah I thought that was pretty cool as well all
right so let's see what uh let's see what the Twitter verse has to say about
wearable smart bras there's a bunch of people in the chat making fun of us for
being all excited over an internet connection that is apparently not even that good I know it's not that good but
this is Canada guys and it's like twice as good as our current
twice as good as the best plan we can get from our current providers so
whatever man still stoked yeah I mean imagine if you can program the bra as
dimitr here says imagine if you could program the bra like you can program GPS
with like different voices and like different attitudes that's horrible it's
like you know the uh that episode of futur where they reprogram the ship's
computer from being like you know an irritating dude that Bender always
argues with to being like a seductive female so you could take your bra anywhere from
like could dial it to like supportive girlfriend and it's like hey h you know
you proba shouldn't grab that and then you could dial it all the way to like
abusive boyfriend it's like hey if you eat one more of those I'm leaving you
something that's horrible it's sort of horrible see it's just going to help
anorexia which is like not good if it just tracked like your heart rate and
like other things and gave you statistics so you could like follow your
thing and like if if it helped like Health apps and all that kind of stuff like that could be really cool but Hater
Hater right here here on the stream zor bot's always a hater I know what a hater
literally always a hater uh we're getting it's telis fiber so I know it's
Tellis so all the promises in the world
we'll see but anyway um I bet Bill Gates
put a camera in Le bra I I bet he didn't I bet he has better things to do that
would be a lot nicer than using weird on the-go cables indeed we mini what I I
haven't even heard of this no one has even T hashtag boobies really that was
the best you could come up
with apparently I'm getting Justin through finals week with this stream
it's like a chain man I am I am I I
don't think this stream will help you with your finals no although if he has
like scheduled breaks so that he can stay
focused scheduled breaks at 4:30 on Fridays exactly for anywhere from 1 and
a half to two and a half hours that was so specific all right oh
there's a better way to download Through The Unofficial torrent so guys check
that out as long that is yeah whatever
but although it's on Steam db. info yeah it's probably fine watching from work I
could feel the Judgment from you just leaving the bra picture up yeah we are
definitely judging that idea um how do you plan to prevent Steam OS spam in the
twitch chat we're not we're not it seems to be fine already yeah I guess Windows
and steam will unite to provide the world the first game streaming
brought all right so basically people don't have to say about the smart bra
which I guess shouldn't surprise us that much all right so we've got our special wait wait wait finally one I believe Ms
said the smart bra would be for other purposes Health apps are already a thing
and more data could be useful for them all right so more data for the health
apps that already exist okay fine but I
mean I just don't the level of okay I
don't see it happening anytime soon that part I do agree with though yep if it
interfaces with your phone and helps currently existing Health apps that
totally makes sense yelling at you for eating too much I don't think is the
right angle that doesn't seem like a good
idea you're probably just creating a problem so terrible all right so we have
a special guest joining us do I have headphones you do they're over here you
are amazing uh slick set up the stream all by his big boy self today and I am
extremely impressed so far with how well it's working well remember when you used
to set it up and the audio never worked well that's because we had the worst
audio setup on the planet I love our new audio setup if I had enough time it
worked the best we ever had it working it's so great just say yeah well but
this one's kind of nice cuz it just kind of works instantaneously you have to
like spend literally two hours trying to balance everything yeah it's great all
right I'm dragging him up all right user was moved to your channel I hope he's
ready I am ready hey how are you welcome
to the show I'm doing all right thanks for
thanks for having me that this is absolutely Ely fantastic so all right
I'm going to start I'm I'm actually sorry I know I just brought you in but I
I actually have to not let you talk for just a moment here because not everyone
would have necessarily seen the intro so guys I'm introducing Anand from Anand
right here this is his head right here you'll be hearing his melodic voice in
your heads or at least you'll think it's melodic if you're anywhere near as much
of a fanboy of this guy as I am now I did an interview of him I'm I'm totally
probably making you blush so it's a good thing there's no video feed but I did an
interview of him at computex that my staff hid the footage from me and
wouldn't allow me to upload because apparently it was just about an hour of
me gushing about his greatness but now
we're live and so there's nothing that they can do to prevent this from being
broadcast to the entire internet so Anan
is the guy who got me into Tech more than anyone else I've read almost
everything he's ever written and I have a lot of respect for this guy so
normally I ask my guest to introduce themselves but I think I've probably
introduced you a fair bit here do you have anything else to say no you this is like super kind of
you um and so no I I have nothing to add
this is this is awesome and congratulations by the way you've been Like Making Waves and and clearly uh
putting in a lot of good work and it's good to see that you uh you get recognized for that well thank you very
much I think that leads pretty well into our very first topic here now you were I
mean okay I remember asking you this question but I'm I'm going to make you answer it I'm going to make you answer
it on air you always wear a suit even in
Taipei in the middle of summer can you
talk about the origins of anante and a little bit about the print to digital
media transition and how you've
experienced it and lived through it yeah
totally um okay so the suit has a couple of things um so I I started when I
started the site I was 14 and uh I don't know my parents always raised me to
believe that when you do something important you wear a suit so I was I
don't know meeting with people and I figured got to wear a suit um so I did
that for a while and then at some point I guess I I stopped being a kid but I
kept with the whole suit thing um because one thing I realized was a lot
of the other folks um that were you know in the industry
doing similar things weren't necessarily doing things as professionally as I
thought that they should be doing them um so I I use the suit as kind of a way
to to at least when I walk in a room to to help explain that look we're here to
work um I mean since then the you know
industry's Consolidated things have like calm down a bit but um the suit always
kind of stayed um now every now and then I do slip up like uh I mean it went I
probably went like a decade without anyone ever seeing me outside of a suit
cuz like that's not how I dress at home like I'm not wearing a suit right now
um so I I I kept the facade going for
like a really really long time and then one time I I think I was speaking at
maybe at Quake conon or something like that and I remember getting out of uh a
car and I was like in basketball shorts I hadn't shaved in
days and I think some people from AMD saw me and they're like what the hell is
this so since then you know I've kind of I've kind of slacked a bit like no I
won't wear like dress shoes anymore right I'll wear sneakers cuz like I
don't know I review really cool stuff and it like blows my mind how they're able to do all of this but my feet have
to hurt at the end of a trade show so I'm not okay with that so I I I dish the
dress shoes I I'll usually wear the suit a few times like I I'm I'm an old dude
now right like I'll I'll not wear a tie sometimes and just like really slack
off um okay so that answers the suit question uh origins of an ontech um long
story short I was like I don't know my parents are teachers we didn't have a
ton of money um I needed a new computer
my dad was like hey just build one cuz back then you could save a lot of money
doing that right um I had no idea what I was doing so I flipped through computer
shop her pointed at stuff and and you know we ordered things and I put it
together and of course I shorted the motherboard to the chassis so I killed
the motherboard my dad's like you're done um my mom's like no no no it's okay
we we'll get you another motherboard um totally like piece of crap motherboard 2
had like fake cash on it the whole thing um so I build that and I'm like hey this
is kind of cool I have a new computer um and I learned a lot in the process uh my
dad's a uh he was a teacher at a college at the time and um other faculty
students were in a similar situation so this was like sevenish grade for me he
would like pick me up after school and I'd go around and build people computers
um and then you know they'd have problems with their computers so I'd go
around and fix them um so I did that for like two years and then 97 hit and both
my parents being teachers I had this like bug to want to teach and share knowledge uh so I kind of brain dumped
online and and that's where we started um on a geoc cities page right yep geoc
cities.com uh
I think SLS and Valley Pine 9297 that
was the that was the UR um nice so yeah
I did that and uh I I I don't know I was
14 I didn't know what I was doing I just wanted to share thoughts and uh I hadn't
really thought about the whole print to internet transition um and actually you
know I was doing it for years when you know print was still on this this
pedestal and you know it was just you're the you're the online guys or or you're
the online guy that wears a suit um and
and yeah I mean it it took a while for that transition from from print to
digital to to really become a holy crap we need to do this um kind of thing uh
and and I would say that that really probably happened in the in the past
handful of years um where you know you go through the past recession uh you
know where everyone gets hit advertising wise um and you know the print guys got
hit the worst um so I think that's you
know you could point to that point as well you know you had better have jumped
by now cuz otherwise you're going to have a a difficult time or hope you have
a lot of money so another question I had for you you know I guess so for you the
the long and short of that is right place right time as far as the the
brilliant idea of starting up a website in order to get your thoughts out there
about PCS as opposed to trying to make a magazine or whatever else but well so I
would I would add right place right time right age um cuz one thing I do is I I
talk to um I I go around and talk to like kids high school that was a very
formulative period of of my life and uh I had a very unique High School career
where uh you know I was in school I was on TV and and you know I was also
working with you know all these amazing companies and learning a lot uh and one
of the things that I I like to tell kids is that you know those four years you
have in high school um that's like a free ride right like you get your work
done but those your four years to get your way towards you know your your
10,000 hours right you you pick a passion you pick something that you
don't need to make money with um that you can just just pour all of your time
into you don't have to worry about hopefully like a rent or mortgage payment you just dive into it and and
you know work towards being an expert at something uh so that when you step foot
in college you you know can go to learn and and not necessarily go to hopefully
one day start building a career right that's actually a very very good point
and uh something I wish I had done a little bit better on my path I did not
get started nearly as early as you um so
the the basis of an onac at the beginning was of course p but over the
last few years I've seen I've seen your interests shift and hence the articles
that you're writing really shift towards things like home theater you went on a
bit of a kick um a bit of a home theater
kick for a little while um you've moved a away from PC strictly to doing a lot
of first Mac coverage and then now um
iOS coverage so Apple devices in general and where do you see a non-tech heading
in the future I mean you guys have I mean Brian clug if he's if he's anywhere
near you please just yell at him and tell him how amazing he is when it comes
to phone reviews you guys have positioned yourselves through his hard
work I mean sweat Blood and Tears goes into that as really in my mind the
premier phone review site but what what do you think is the next step I
appreciate that no Brian isn't sitting next to me he's uh he's in Arizona right
now working actually on another phone review um but he uh he's amazing like I
I'm I'm actually really really proud of our entire team um so it's interesting
if you you look at it through you you kind of hit the nail on the head there
yeah right like um a lot of our coverage does uh or at least what I do kind of
follows my interest um you know I was building a home theater so I said hey
maybe I should look in home theater PCS and I remember walking into a compiler
class in college uh this was back in 02
or 03 I remember walking in uh in the uh
I guess this was in the College of Engineering Building um or maybe in the computer science building so I walk in
and I look around and everyone has a Mac laptop and like this is really weird um
because you know for years this you wouldn't see that and uh that was
actually what inspired me to to go out buy Mac and and start using that um and
and that spawned you know our Mac coverage um and then you know from there
you you said it yourself we we branched out into Mobile what is interesting from
my perspective is I I don't actually view this as any different as what we
you know did when I started right like it's all we get into compute when it
hits a a certain level of sophistication
right um right and you know we our our phone coverage kind of basically started
with the iPhone um back in 07 we had some false starts internally when we
said hey you know how do we grow we need other things to do um and and you know
we we messed around with just kind of more regular phone reviews and you know
playing around with pdas and Windows mobile and stuff like that but none of
those projects ever really got off the ground and then you know we we kind of
tried again with the iPhone um and that did relatively well um and then you know
a couple years into it we we started adding more um and then definitely over
the past I'd say three or four years um we really ramped up our Mobile coverage
um but from my perspective they're all PCS right it's just a different box um
and and you know it's a different Cadence of release right because we do Enterprise reviews as well but that's
just like a really really big computer that comes out you know once every year
or two I mean I think that's something that um that I I think the post PC era
is such a misnomer because the sitting at a desk doing work
uh experience is not going to go away I mean this is much like a bit of an a
back and forth argument that I've had with my viewers over the last little while where I said that the PS4 and the
Xbox One are the last generation of consoles as we know them and I'd have
people telling me well what I'm not going to game on my couch anymore no
that's not what I'm saying the couch gaming experience is not going anywhere
it's just that the console is going somewhere so in much the same way that
the sitting at a desk with a big Monitor and getting real work done isn't going
anywhere I think the device that we do it on is the thing that might just be
changing over the next 5 to 10 years and it's just they're all PCS just yeah and
because that's I mean I would I would say the same thing on a console right like if you look at you know 360 PS3 PS4
Xbox One it's just PCS it's their like
really weird PCS that are made by Microsoft and Sony but they're just PCS
um and you know how how well valve does
with steambox over the next decade I think we will ultimately determine
whether or not we get another console refund fresh so let's talk about weird
PCS with steam box because that's our next topic very nice Segway by the way
um digital storm has given some details on their upcoming steam os/ Windows so
they're planning to preload both os's on it from what I've seen but I guess you
could probably opt out of Windows um so this is a gaming box with liquid cooling
on the CPU up to a 700 wat power supply
um it's going to be around $1,500 have a have a powerful graphics card in it um
and then the other end of the spectrum we've got guys like IB power with their
$500 machine that's going to have I think it was an r r9270 or something
along those lines like a much more uh middle-of the road graphics card where
do you see Steam OS and steam box which to be clear for the viewers guys a steam
box is just a computer in much the same way that all the other things we're
talking about are just computers that happens to run Steam OS it's just it's
just a box that you bought from someone that is validated pre-loaded with steam
that's all the steam box is so how do you see Steam Box fitting in with the
current consoles and with PC moving forward um okay so uh it's a really
really good idea um it's actually I was at a uh a dinner um like a secret Intel
laraby dinner which I guess I can talk about now because laraby never happened for consumers um okay hold on a second
is it okay to reveal a secret that never
truly fully got revealed I mean they they announced it right it's
just I was never supposed to talk about this dinner but I'm gonna talk about the
dinner now so and um it's not actually
like it's now I've hyped it up too much the dinner it doesn't I mean it was a great dinner it's just it's irrelevant
to the current conversation the food was good yeah I know it was actually yeah it
was it was an entertaining dinner anyways Charlie from semi accurate he was he was at the dinner and he floats
this idea of um and this is years ago
right like laraby time frame like pre a lot of stuff um so he floats this idea
that you know AMD and Intel should get together develop a list of specs and
make you know develop a little badge program and make Hardware vendors go out
meet the specs and you know they can distribute like an OS like a little
virtualized or like a hypervisor or something like that um like on a USB
stick um and this would be like a very
custom console gaming OS that would that would run on this hypervisor uh and
you'd have this logo program which would ensure that you would meet the specs and
sorry can I can I interrupt you for a second do you want to just explain to the viewers who don't know what
hypervisor is sort of what that would mean exactly oh true yeah sure um
basically a thing that you can run multiple virtualized os's on um so you
you would run uh so like if you have a Mac how you can run Windows on it right
so like you'll your VMware will be your hypervisor and then Windows will be you
know your uh uh if you run Windows alongside OS 10 like in OS 10
effectively um but basically you look look at it like this or actually the OS
that um the Xbox one runs right so it has a hypervisor that runs the Xbox
gaming OS as well as the the Windows kernel side by side um and you know you
switch between them anyway so this is his idea and and I heard it I'm like
this is amazing this is exactly what we need to do because the console model of
hey you know you got a a certain amount of money you has to go to the publisher
a certain amount of money has to go to you know you know the the owner of the
platform like that's all silly like there's reason to have that anymore
because we have the internet and we have Steam and you know steam handles
distribution for you and at that time if you looked at what was happening to PC
gaming I remember I walked into a Best Buy one day and I was like well where
are all the PC games and it like worried
me right because it was kind of this started happening right before steam
picked up a lot of steam right like before it got really really good where
you know you don't have to worry about PC gaming anymore um and and it was
worrisome to me so I heard this idea and I'm like this is amazing this is the
exact way to save PC gaming um and it
was a great idea but but you know nothing ever came of it and then you know valve starts talking about Steam OS
and steam box and I'm like God this is amazing this is exactly what he was talking about years ago and I believe in
it um I I think it's a really really good idea the the wrinkle in all of this
is can you get killer titles ported over
to Linux um and the answer is yes I'm
going to argue it doesn't matter that's that's going to be that's going to be sort of my my take on all this
because if valve can Implement their streaming the way that they're saying
that they can like if I'm going to be able to stream 1080P or you know a
couple years from now when we're looking at 10 gab home networking over cat 6
being something that people can feasibly do if all of a sudden we can stream
1080P or 4K from some other device
within the house whether that's a Windows based gaming PC or whatever else
it happens to be in the future then I would make the argument that whether the
game runs natively on Steam OS or not
becomes irrelevant and the the steam the
steam box in its in its best form to me
is almost just a thin client that acts as a streaming box from whatever else
happens to be in your house I mean for me I think the first thing I thought when I heard about NVIDIA grid was not
um playing games over the Internet the first thing that I thought was holy crap
I'd love to get one of those for like a land Center or for my house so that
every PC in my house whether it runs an atom with onboard Intel Graphics or
whether it runs whatever other high-end stuff you know dual GTX Titans is able
to have a fantastic gaming experience so that that's my take on it and maybe like
let me know what you think do we does it matter Linux compatibility for the games
so you may bring up a really good point um but I so I separate that from cuz at
that point then you don't need Steam OS right all you need is like a a a sync
right like you just need a wireless sync for you know that connects to your TV
and I'm guessing you know NVIDIA's already kind of done that with shield
and I'm guessing there'll be uh if you
play in that space you know chances are you'll want to build a similar device
right so that's that's kind of independent of in my eyes of Steam OS
being a success or not um right because like you can you can build and deliver
that experience today right like there's no you don't need anything else um what
I'm what I'm looking at Steam OS being successful at is can you duplicate the
console model right can you get to the point where someone who knows doesn't
own a gaming PC like he just runs like word on his notebook from 10 years ago
um can that guy or girl go out and say
Hey I want this I don't want an Xbox I don't want a PlayStation I want this I
don't I don't know what PC gaming is I don't know what steam is but this is
what I want in my living room like can they get to that point um and and you
know if you uh you you were at the Montreal thing weren't you yeah I was
yeah so if you listen to you know all those guys up there CarMax Sweeny you
know they all said hey this is a crazy idea give it 10 years and and you know maybe it'll work um if they can get to
that ease of use model right I I think it could definitely definitely replace
uh consoles the issue though is if we're
talking about a 10-year Horizon before this thing's successful that that does
leave room for another another go from the the traditional console players if
they made it so that there was a a version or a bottle or a type of steam
box that you could buy that was by default automatically launched into uh
big picture MH and just put you directly into big picture and did not really take
you out I think that could bridge that Gap but if it launched directly into
Steam OS it could be a little bit foreign because you're sitting in Linux
right and the other thing that the other thing that bothers me a little bit um
from from like I understand why valve's doing this because they need to cater to
the traditional PC gaming Market they can't they can't tell those guys yeah
hey I know you thought we were cool before but we're going to just we're going to
lock down steambox hardware and there's going to be one Hardware configuration
there's going to be a reference design just like a traditional console we're
going to refresh it every 3 years or whatever else um I don't think anyone
would have accepted that but the issue is that one of the major complaints that
you get from a dieh hard console player is I don't want to upgrade my Hardware
every year every 2 years and I don't want to worry about GTX this or radon
that that happens to be on the box I want to or inside the box I want to go
to Best Buy I want to buy the thing with the price tag under it there's one price
tag there's one thing I want to take it home I want to put my game in it and I want to have the experience that all my
buddies are having whereas I think opening up the hardware to just anything
um is not the strategy that we've seen work so well for companies like
Microsoft with the Xbox or like apple with the iPhone and the iPad where it's
this tightly integrated experience that they're managing I mean something that
Apple does so well is no iPhone will ever ship with a crappy Wireless chipset
from some noname whereas it will be possible for people to buy a steam box
with offbrand audio components or Wireless components and have a bad
experience and blame it on Steam OS or on steambox rather than on the true the
true culprit and I think that by trying to Target a less techsavvy audience you
open yourself up to that so I I'd agree with that um but I would say that those
are like that's something you can easily mitigate right so so you know Microsoft
tries to do this with you know the Windows Hardware approval process right
it's just that they set the bar so low that everyone can play I mean they have
to right they're like no we need to sell Windows because otherwise we can't we
need Windows um whereas valve isn't in
that position right so if I'm at valve you know you just go hardcore about it
right we'll give you you know you want this official steam box logo or whatever
you have to not ship like just terrible Hardware um so I I think that's a that's
something that you can get around um you know Big Picture Mode it's I I actually
wrote about this in our gcent coverage that it seems like there are a lot of
individual projects um that are out in in the PC
gaming world right now uh that if we
just polished them all up we would be we'd be very close to like a a hyper
console experience right so something that's even you know it used to be that
hey consoles they were simple you didn't need to worry about installing your game
and and updates and none of that but like remember cartridges no loading
screens no and now it's like well you got to put in the disc and like wait
three and a half minutes because it has to install and like there's a disc so
like now it's a it's a very update yeah and it's not all the whole premise of
this being an easy to use different thing like it has a web browser now it's
just it's no longer what a console used to be it's just a managed PC now um so I
feel like if you look at you look at GeForce experience right y that's that's
a way of abstracting the whole you have to Define settings um which works right
you look at steam's Big Picture Mode that gets away from you know there's a
window Desktop Windows desktop in the background um and then you look at
Technologies like g-sync and now you're getting into this realm of well not only
does it look better have cheaper games
and you know whatever compared to a console but like it's actually also
smoother too right like this is like this is it's it's insane so we have all
of these like little things but all of them need right cuz Big Picture Mode is close but
it's still kind of valy you know it's not quite there and gsync is locked down
to NVIDIA hardware and mantle I mean
they're saying it's not locked down but I I think it'll be a cold day in Hell
before NVIDIA um gets on board with
project mantle and so all these things it's just like you're saying they need to all kind of come together um but this
this Segways really well into our next topic which is g-sync now I've got a
g-sync monitor here as well the same one you have um so so I've played with it
myself but I read almost everything you write regardless of whether I've already
got one and I've already got my own impressions of it formed as well anyway
so I did notice that you were the one who did the gsync article for your
website um you did I guess you were was it because you were particularly excited
about it or um you know did you just want to make sure that it was done 100%
right the article was great give me your your thoughts in I guess verbal form as
opposed to asking everyone to necessarily read the article although they definitely should it's only about
four pages how important is g-sync for the future of PC gaming and just for the
future of better image quality in general yeah so um I I don't know I it's
no there's no like big story as to why I was the one that wrote it then video was like Hey we're sending you a monitor and
I was like hey yeah I'm busy I have like stuff to do and like no you have to it
doesn't I don't care just just take the
monitor so so yeah that that was the the
long story of that um so what do I think
of G saying um I was kind of expecting it to just like completely like just
suck right cuz I saw it in Montreal and
I you you saw it there and like what they showed was impressive right like I
looked at like this is good um but they showed it in the pendulum demo and like
I couldn't really play with it and yeah and Tomb Raider in that one spot where
you stood next to that one mountain that's like and you panned around the
character at two different speeds I was just like come on guys exactly I'm like
come on this is not I so I'm fully expecting it to just be miserable and
for like the first day day and a half that's that was my experience um I I
kind of mentioned it in the review uh I had this um this Titan system uh the the
tiki from Falcon Northwest that that you know I got when the Titan launched and
dude like the thing was just like hard lock um whenever just I did anything and
when I could get it to be stable like I totally wiped the machine did a brand
new install Windows 8.1 latest drivers whatever uh and and whenever I just even
running benchmarks when I could get them to run on this Titan they were running
like slower than the the GTX 760 so at
first and and you know I I have um Dell's uh 24in 4K here so I switch
monitors and switch the monitors and every all the problems go away
everything's fine so at first I thought oh this this thing sucks um and then I
had a GTX 660 Ti uh on a different test
bed plug it in the thing won't even like post like I don't even there's no
nothing out of the display so I'm like okay this is really really bad um and
then you know a third time to charm I had a a GTX 760 from EVGA and uh worked
perfectly so uh when I got to that point
I was really really worried but no it it literally worked in everything like
there were no issues I I never ran into
uh any like weird hiccups or visual glitches or anything like that um it all
worked and it worked and looked just as good as it did in Montreal which was
kind of amazing um it was frustrating to me that the pendulum demo doesn't let
you it doesn't deal with any scenario
greater than uh 60 frames a second like I can't do any of the 120 or 144 testing
there um that was kind of frustrating but I spent a lot of time playing games
which um I don't get time to do anymore um so that was kind of cool um and I
don't know I posted some videos that kind of show the effect uh it it you
know makes me hate tearing a lot um Y
and uh yeah I thought there was a there was a substantial benefit to to using
this versus vsync on um obviously a substantial benefit versus uh you know
vsync off less pronounced of a benefit
versus vsnc off at a really high refresh rate um which I think that's a that's a
key thing for you know any hardcore Gamers right now they're already running at 144 or 120 um they're still an
advantage it's just not nearly as pronounced as it is at 60 well to me to
me the issue here sorry do do you mind no no go for okay to me the issue here
is a couple of things so number one is that NVIDIA shipped their g-sync
evaluation monitor um and it's a one
it's a 1080p panel and it's a 144 Herz
panel and I I don't find it much the same way that that you didn't see as
much of a difference there I don't find that at extremely high refresh rates it
is as huge and night and day of a difference as it is at you know 60
frames per second and NVIDIA knows that and then number two is that because it's
only a 1080p monitor in modern games with a decent graphics card because the
the the the pace at which graphics cards have been improving in performance has
really begun to slow down even you know a last generation card like a 660 Ti can
run most modern games and not really worry too much at dipping below 60
frames per second unless you're cranking up details that begin to to not really
affect image quality unless you're doing side by-side screenshot comparisons and
and and peering at them with a magnifying glass um so to me that the
issue is that they shipped completely the wrong product to Showcase it and I
think that if they had shipped a 1440p panel so something that can actually um
something that runs out of resolution where it's going to demand more of a GTX
780 or a GTX Titan than it can provide and dip below 6 frames per second once
in a while and if they had stuck with a 60 HZ monitor I think it would have made
for a much more impressive first experience so yeah I'd agree with that I
mean one I'm just not a fan of this panel like it's just not a like it's
okay games it's just not a I mean and part of it it's it's a cheaper display
right um well it's not but well yeah I
know but it's not like a you know it's not like a $600 display right or $1,000
display um so and and again for games
like whatever you get lost in it it's fine um so I wasn't a huge fan of of the
display they chose my guess is it was probably one of the easiest to kind of
retrofit um and even if you I actually I
want to take apart one of the ones that isn't a g-sync monitor because I I don't
know if you saw on the inside of it it's got an NVIDIA branded PCB yeah I did see
that uh so I don't know cuz like they you know the whole thing is well we just
replaced the scaler um but at least in this display they replaced like it looks
like they replaced just there's this entire PCB that they've changed but I
don't know if the original also was designed by NVIDIA so that that's something I'm curious about so I had the
same conversation with them sorry hold that thought I had the same conversation
with them on the phone where I actually because I've had a lot of people asking
me lonus are we going to be able to mod our existing monitors and add gsync
functionality to them after the fact and what Tom said was um well I I I guess
you could but you would basically be
soldering and like building a connector harness out of the interface for the
panel itself and then connecting the the
the the gsync hardware that's inside your existing Monitor and like you'd be
you'd be doing this weird Frankenstein thing but when when I opened it up it
looked aside from just lining up the wires here and making sure that you
don't have any anything crossed and anything configured incorrectly it
looked very possible yeah so that's why I'm curious
to see what like a normal one of these monitors looks like on the inside cuz I
don't know about your is mine was like the all the hardware um the scaler board
and the NVIDIA like motherboard that it plugged into that was all just like
taped in place there were no screws it was just
tape so I I I don't I I'm just really
curious to see what the the unmodified ASUS display looks like um so yeah no I
mean for for folks who haven't seen it before right like the sweet spot for
g-sync is somewhere in that you know for me I I found it to be like 38 to to 60
frames a second um whereas normally when
you're running vsync on at a 60 HZ panel
you start dropping Below in that range and start getting like this really
really variable frame rate um that's out of sync with with your monitor you do
get this jutter right like it's it's clear that you know whatever you've
walked into a room where there's just like really detailed paintings on the
wall and stuff right or like there's just tons of foliage outside um and you
get this shutter and you just kind of deal with it and then with g-sync in
that exact same situation it kind of feels like 60 frames a second it kind of
does actually it was I mean you tried it right yeah I know it feels really good
it feels really good yeah that's not the kind of show we're running here man yeah
I know that's what I thought I was calling into I just talked about a bunch
of really boring stuff so he said he wasn't in a suit he's ready in his PJs
like he's in his like what what are you wearing over there dude the suit is like
long gone man
like I just got back from a trip man that thing is it's done it's um no so I
agree like they they picked an interesting panel um I you know I was
able to find a bunch of games where even on a 760 you know dropping below 60
wasn't an issue um but what I found is just the experience is terrible if you
drop below 30 like it's just it gets real bad um so you you really need fast
enough to be above 30 uh but you know
you need the the optimal combination of of settings and Hardware to make sure
you're always in that sweet spot for this to do anything right you know
what's funny uh sorry go go ahead you can finish that thought but I just I
have another thing to add to the vsync on versus gsync scenario okay yeah no
all I was going to say is this actually um what carac said I think he was the
one that said it on stage resonates really well with me now in that uh game
developers no longer have to Target 60 right like they can they can be okay
dipping down to some of these lower and that's assuming that this is something
that's you know supported by more than just NVIDIA but I I think that's where a
lot of the potential is that and and it's a good way of dealing with the
stupidly high resolution displays which formerly you know you needed to have
basically whatever the most expensive by Jensen and new Ferrari kind of or kex
kind of cards were so my whole thing on vsync versus
gsync is I agree with you completely that it helps with the the stutter which
it does and that's great and it's fantastic but for me my biggest problem
with vsync isn't really stutter because I tend to run very high-end Hardware so
even from a high-end gamer perspective something I think NVIDIA isn't talking
about enough maybe because they don't know how to quantify it and maybe
because such a small subset of their customers will even be able to relate to
it because it'll only be the high-end guys but to me my big problem with vsync
has always been input leg I can feel it
particularly in some game engines where left for dead was the first game I think
where it really drove me absolutely bananas to have to choose between the
terrible tearing in that game and the terrible input leg that for whatever
reason was is present in that particular source-based game um and and I just
couldn't play with vsync on because the delay was so substantial gsync means the
leg goes away and and and NVIDIA doesn't seem to be talking about that in in the
in the right way do you see that as a major benefit or and are they missing
the boat here no so I agree with you that's something actually I wish I had
more time to to deal with um so I was I
was at some other meetings um when the
g-sync monitor arrived and I got back basically I don't know Sunday morning
and you know then I killed the first day and a half trying to figure out what was
wrong with the thing and then that left me with you know basically like two days to to deal with all this so I didn't get
to go in depth into input lag um but I know that's that's a big component um I
think it's a question of you know which end do you attack right I think the the
the cell they have here with the hey this makes everything smoother a bit I
think that's a very experiential cell that that applies to a very wide
audience or very broad audience I think
and and I think a lot of what NVIDIA's been doing has been trying to go after
that you know almost the console gamer right the person who doesn't really know
or understand what's going on um and and you know they're not playing
competitively but but you know they're going after
that market and and I think um I think you know reducing input lag is
a definite Advantage um but I I think like you said that that tailor to a a
slightly smaller um Niche right one
thing one analogy I liked using for gsync actually and like it's it's not
perfect because Project Butter introduced vsync to Android um or that
like it used vsync so it's not perfect but what project butter did for the
Android side of things I see gsync doing for the PC side of things because
beforehand there was all these all these drawbacks and different things you could have
to make it faster but then it would look kind of gross it was just it was never
very smooth and it was never perfect and project butter just launched them
forward in that direction yeah it was almost this intangible wow my phone just
feels well like butter and I mean gsync is it's yeah yeah butter for the PC so
you can't you can't actually really use it because because Project Butter
brought in vsync but I still like using it because of the general
idea so next topic is is Haswell e now
this particular this particular site that has the uh the Haswell e leaked
specs um they've been known to be right once in a while and not necessarily
right all the time um so it's an nch.com
we're going to head over no I'm just kidding uh so mean it's mean this is
actually posted by digital nav on our Forum um and the original article is
from wccf Tech but have you had a look
at the sort of these leaked um rumored
specs and what are your thoughts on Haswell E versus what we have now which
is Ivy Bridge e do we need eight core on the desktop how important is this
even um so yeah I I actually I didn't realize this this had leaked yet um so I
I I don't I didn't pay much attention to you know how accurate inaccurate it was
um they actually had uh Haswell eunning
in IDF um at IDF last year or oh crap
this year still um they had a running just as a ddr4 demo um so so samples
have been out there so I wouldn't be surprised if you know people got wind of it um how important is this going to be
I the the the whole you know Sandy brid
e iy Bri e and looking at Haswell e that's just a really weird family of
parts to me what I what I want is something in between the two that I
don't have to use like a weird socket to get to um right and I think we might get
that with you know it sounds like they're going to do socketed Broadwell
and and bring Crystal well on board but I'm guessing they won't you know they
won't improve Crystal well at all it'll still be the same thing we have today um
but I I I don't know that I'm more interested in that personally um do we
need eight cores on the desktop yeah if you're doing like a lot of like really
really heavy professional video work I can see that being very very exciting um
and and you know I'd be fine with it if it weren't out of sync with the rest of
the desktop stuff right I don't like this whole yeah you can get something
that's you know a little better but it's a year out of phase with everything else
like I don't you've got you've got smart response here you've got you know that
you've got quick Sync here but you've got more cores there and more RAM there
this fragmentation or the segmentation or whatever you want to call it um
really bothers me and I guess that's pretty much what you're alluding to
right now yeah I don't I don't I'm just not a fan of it like it's it's uh you
know it is what it is like you can't it's I mean because this is effectively
a server part and and they're just kind of making a a desktop version of it um
so it's it's nice like it'll obviously it'll improve over IU bridy um you know
we already know what Haswell can do in terms of a Pere IPC Improvement um so
overing will be mediocre you know all these things we know already yeah it I
mean it'll be a better platform at least um uh which will be nice like Cu uh you
know x79 is kind of old now um so it'll it'll at least take care of that um SATA
SATA three ports yes finally yeah I I'm
just not a fan of the trade-off like I I don't for me I would I would wait for
Broadwell desktop it'll be cheaper and and likely be close enough um although
you know eight cores is nice I won't I won't won't hate on that too much fair
enough all right well I think that's uh I think that's pretty much all the time
we have I don't want to keep you too long I think we kept you 10 minutes over
time as it is but uh maybe just if you want to give the oh my goodness I
realize we don't have our thing up there anymore um if you want to give the uh
the peeps a way to find you if they're interested in whether it's your written
work or your Twitter or whatever else uh we'd love to at least drive a few more
followers your way if people enjoyed your presence on the show and I
certainly did I think that the the viewers have been teasing me in the
twitch chat the entire time for fangirling but I don't care I'm proud of
it so just go ahead and let them know where they can find you okay cool yeah
no thanks for having me um you can find
uh me sometimes at anon.com that's and dte.com um or on Twitter which is Anon
shimpy and D MPI um and yeah congrats
again on everything man you you've been doing a good job and uh thanks for
having me on thank you very much all right uh until I see you next I'll
probably run into you at CES somewhere so I'll I'll come say hi yep I'll be
just completely demoralized and just tired and me too man yeah yep CES is
happening all right man no I've been booking all my meetings and like I'm
looking at my calendar and I'm just like how the hell am I going to get to all these places oh you don't like you can't
you just you're just eternally late like I'm already late to my first CES meeting
like that's just you just have to assume that that's the case you embrace the
lateness and and you know you'll you'll be okay NVIDIA is really mad at me cuz
I'm I think I'm missing their thing because uh really yeah I wasn't planning
to be down at the show that early so when they sent out the save the date I
just kind of I meant to send back an email that said I couldn't make it but
instead I was just like oh well I'm not going to be there so I guess I just
won't RSVP when the time comes and at that time they hadn't really been
engaging with me as much yet either so I
just I really didn't think about it that much but at the Montreal event we kind
of syned up a little bit more and and sort of decided that we needed to do
more together and then um so anyway in in the meantime having not thought about
that save the date I uh AMD asked me to
be at their thing and I kind of went oh well I'm not to be there and they said
oh well don't worry about it we'll cover your extra hotel and we'll cover any
fees to change your flight or whatever else we really want you to be there and I kind of went oh okay well sure so now
NVIDIA reminds me about that thing and I'm like oh I'll be there but oh I'm
going to be at AMD's thing cuz they're covering my hotel I can't not be there
so that's that's real awkward they were like really we sent you a save the date
like weeks ago man I'm like ah I'm sorry
yeah that's not going to go over well they'll probably like heavy beaten or something yeah in Vegas I hope they at
least use the bar of soap so that I'm not all bruised for the rest of the
week yeah they uh no they'll just they they'll toy with you emotionally it's
that's usually how it is they'll toy with you emotionally with a bar of
soap or might involve soap and another I don't know anyway okay I'll talk to you
later man I'll see you at the show all right dude okay bye
bye all right so guys that was awfully fun at least for me cuz I'm such a fan
girl of Anan and I love everything he does so let's go ahead and move into our
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Forum which is Awesome by the way before we move on I want to quickly go through
my my favorite moments of the Anand Linus meeting version two really that's
how you're going to be about this wow I think that was the most glorious
fantastic incredibly shiny intro we've ever had for anyone ever which was the
like I love you please don't run away because I love you so much intro which
was amazing um I don't think you've ever
asked someone if you could interrupt them before and then after doing I
usually just talk over them yep and then after that you then interrupted him but
paused for a second you're like oh I'm sorry like is this okay and then he said
yes and then you kept going which was fantastic and then later on you went to
go interrupt him but then stopped yourself and said oh I want to bring
this up later but but but you can keep going it's okay and then Drew back and I
I thought that was just fantastic and then once it was over even though it had
gone over time uhhuh you made it
continue which was just it just
beautiful I wish I still had do we still have the footage I don't know I'm
actually not sure I don't know what they did with it they hit it okay yeah if we
still have the footage I might leak some of it on the after party tonight but I'm
not sure if we still have the footage wow that's how you're going to be about this oh I forgot we have some other
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sponsors and then our third sponsor is confirmed now it's funny because last
week on the show when I was like yeah it'll probably be WD they had not
confirmed anything they basically hadn't replied to my
email so I got on the phone with them this week and I was like so um I haven't
like sent out proposals to anyone else CU I was really hoping you guys would
take it and they're just like oh yeah okay I guess so sure yeah yeah we'll
we'll take it we'll take it so I also have something pretty exciting to tell
you guys about wd's present at the show present at the show they are doing a wd
fan night which you can only get to if
you hear about it through someone that they're affiliated with basically this
isn't just on the WD website okay you have to hear about it somewhere spaces
will fill up if you're planning to be at CES if you're planning so if you're
going to be down in Las Vegas at the beginning of January you can register at
wpro WD Fen night and uh there's going
to be uh creative professional such as renowned Sports Illustrated photographer
Peter Reed Miller professional Gamers Scara and O from Team dignitas artist
drew broy musician Mike I Paris from the band o or or I don't even know who any
of these people are I'm so I I live on like another planet where all that
exists is work and my baby he he's always like oh why do you think I'm like
Out Of Tune with society and stuff and then if you go watch and if you go back
and watch the Omni video when he's like Converse con no one seen Converse before
because I don't leave my house okay or
this place anyway guys check it out WD
fan night I I'm pretty sure I'll be there I think it's on my calendar that's
Tuesday January 7th let me check my calendar so guys please only sign up if
you're actually going to be in Vegas during that time and you're actually planning to go there so um you know you
don't want to take away a spot from someone else who could otherwise be there uh but yes I will be there I will
be there on WD fan appreciation night so that's going to be pretty cool okay so I
think without further Ado I don't have any topics to further Ado right now cuz
for some reason in my awe of Anan while
he was on the show I closed my topics doc so go ahead and find our next one
here splashed out the topic St somehow either way we can do uh consumer versus
Enterprise hard drive reliability so I believe the article was such BS
unfortunately I mean it would have been great if it was real so well it's
it's real it's just not scientifically valid in any way so this was tweeted to
me by Austin topnotch PC law guys to be clear
tweeting something at me is not the best way to get an article featured on the
show please post in the new section of lus tech tips Forum um but sometimes I
do happen to see things on Twitter and they do make their way into the dock so
back Blaze finds Enterprise drives fail more often than consumer hard drives is
the extremely incendiary
top or um headline of this article so I'll let you tear it apart I think
they're just mad to be completely honest I'm assuming that's where this coming
from they're like oh why are so many failing let's rip them apart because
they they have to understand that the way they did this was not entirely true
and like a lot of the quotes that are in this are directly from back black
Blaze's back Blaze's blog that's a lot
of bees back Blaze blog um like it's directly in there where it's like well
do you think reliability of these make any sense no like it's all it's all the
sensationalized part is in back Blaze's blog so that was kind of interesting the
sample size is like not okay there's 368
Enterprise drives and there's 14,719 consumer drives um where is it oh
crap where was the failure rates I thought you put it in the dock I thought
I did too so apparently 17 Enterprise drives failed over two years and 613
consumer drives failed then they broke it down to percentages and found that
4.6% of the Enterprise drives failed while 4.2% of the consumer drives failed
but there's a big problem with that which you outlined here perfectly which
is where if one Enterprise one less Enterprise Drive failed they were almost
equated for percentages and if two less failed it was like a chunk better like
two. 2% better which is like no to be
able to do an actual study like this you need one the sample sizes need to be the
same freaking side and two they weren't tested in the same environments yes they
were tested in very different environments so the Enterprise basically
the only real conclusion that we can take away from this because the
Enterprise drives were tested in a much heavier workload than the Consumer grade
drives so all we can take away from this is that Enterprise drives when being
used in their intended workload which is much heavier might fail about the same
as consumer grade drives when used in a lighter workload which is like what hard
drive manufacturer wouldn't freaking told to that there there was even some
more wonky stuff too because the Enterprise drives had nicer more padded
enclosures but not by much but then were worked a lot harder then the consumer
drives had not as good enclosures that had a little bit more vibration but then
weren't worked as much so like there's even more weird variables that you're
throwing so many variables yeah so one thing one good takeaway from this in my
mind is that holy crap consumer drives don't fail that much yeah really cool
cuz we use super drives in our server yep we use a lot of refurbished ones no
no there are no refurbs in the server right now okay that's good Although our
storage expansion upgrade that's coming soon so the the working drive for 4K
footage is probably going to be refurb drives but it's a working drive but
it'll be raid 10 okay so it's it's not
going to be reliant on you know absolutely no drives can fail OMG so I'm
I'm going to throw a RAID 10 in there of 3 terab referb drives cool but yeah like
this article was is no not really right
in my opinion but it's still an interesting thing to look at and like
take the percentages not really 100% to heart but you can look at it still and
just I I don't know maybe be a little bit more confident in your consumer
drive and just make sure that it has good padding you're probably good to go
all right so this one apparently I screwed up and uh let me just make sure
that there's nothing showing on my screen right now that's going to be a
problem I don't think so does my hangouts matter I can sign out right it
shows the yeah okay there we go let's hold on
let's scroll down should be fine yep there's probably going to be
something I don't see anything okay so here we go all right so screen share
time guys this was a PM someone sent me please post in the news section of the
Forum please um anyway don't go up here's a panel some so this is on the
subject of the Dell 4K 28 in monitor
that's actually less expensive than the 4k 24in monitor but uses a TN panel so
someone uh I don't even remember who it was cuz they didn't post for so um so
someone said here's a panel someone on G found it seems to match up pretty well
with what we know about the 28in monitor Dell's releasing for under $1,000 it is
a TN panel but it seems to be a really good TN panel so it has wide color gamut
10 bit color depth although I've seen 6-bit TN panels that are definitely not
as good as 6bit IPS panels so let's be real clear more bits is not necessarily
the most important thing in the world 60 HZ refresh rate which make sense and 80°
viewing angle it would make sense for it to be a TN panel since it's only $1,000
but it might not be that bad after all so there it is guys the n280 dj-
l30 and the specs look like they are
might be it potentially not that bad oh
sorry sorry sorry I what the you somehow
oh wow what have I done okay hold on guys bear with me for a second here uh
where is it okay wow not sure what happened there okay anyway we're back
um so to be clear good TN panels exist they're still
not the one uses a TN panel yeah the viewing angles are excellent the color
reproduction is excellent so they do exist they are
slower than the overdriven TN panels that we find in products like that isus
monitor that both Anan and I agree which of course fills me with much much
wonderment uh both agree isn't very good because it's overdriven to refresh 144
times a second and still give you a crystal clear image that means they just
can't do as much with the quality of that image so a good TN panel might not
necessarily be as optimal for gaming it might not be as fast but the viewing
angles and the color reproduction might actually be okay so I'm pretty excited
to see what Dell has up their sleeve with this 28 in 4k monitor cuz in my
mind 24 may actually be a touch too
small to even just 54k I mean a 2560 X 1440 24 in that's not bad it be hard to
pick out the individual pixels huh I'm not sure well I'll have to like compare
them yeah I guess to be honest i' have I'd have to see them close up all right
we're digging into my email again for do you have another topic do you want to do maybe a rapid fire topic while I dig
this up jump onto one if you give me one second some of the rapid fire topics got
all messed up but we can jump into the Xbox one thing ah yes cuz this is
hilarious so so trolled so apparently someone released
an image which we can maybe hopefully get on screen here soon which it looks
looks fairly official like it's not super well done but it's okay um it says
Xbox 360 backwards compatibility unlock
by default Xbox 360 backwards compatibility is disabled on Xbox One to
unlock it follow these steps one go to the system menu two press left button
right button left trigger right trigger I know but we might be doing podcast
soon oh right in order to in order in
order quickly select the developer console check the enable devkit box
change sandbox ID to free zone. reboot which is where you should start thinking
this is kind of bull crap um six select
reset Home console and then it says Xbox 360 games will now be playable on your
console the problem is it will just boot loop infinitely because you put it into
reboot mode where it will just continuously reboot and will never
actually really do anything essentially breaking your Xbox One breaking your box
one but wait it gets better folks because that's not all from this week we
also have troll number two which is even
better in my opinion actually even better did you know. tumblr.com
any iPhone can be charged in the microwave oven 15 to 25 times faster
than the charger that came with it try it now plug your cable into the iPhone
put your iPhone in the center of the oven and coil the cable around it step
three set the timer in the oven for 10 to 20 seconds step four you now have a
char charge iPhone this works because microwaves use the same Principle as
wireless charging pads by rearranging the electrons in your phone's battery to
gather at the negative terminal remember to leave your cable plugged
in so there are some there are some
Yahoo answers posts with folks being like hey I um I tried it is there any
way I can uh fix it now and the answer
is no unfortunately love how the best ansers the best answer on that one's
like dude you Zapped your phone
ah like yeah no you you you screwed up on that one not not going to work out
for you at all yeah that is that is a crying shame right there all right so
I'm ready with this next uh this next article that's in my email supposedly um
no no I am not hold on I'll be ready in a second though I'm almost ready okay
I'm almost ready should I try and grab something Apple Smartwatch is rumored to
be coming in October 2014 and will apparently support wireless
charging I guess I kind of said the whole thing I was just going to say is
that is that is that the whole topic that's the whole topic is there more
okay what was the original Source again I can't remember for the Apple Smartwatch yeah they've they have been
right about stuff in the past that was our Forum they've also been wrong about
stuff in the past so the so the original poster was jati Joe petite Joe peti yeah
and the source is tweakers.net all right so let's go ahead and hop over to
Linus's screen where Samsung sent me a pretty awesome email about their rapid
technology being available on 840 Pro ssds now so if you already have an 840
Pro and the 840 Evo came out and you were like Samsung hey hey Samsung hey
what what's going on why don't I have rapid technology cuz rapid is cool what
is this rapid allows you to use your RAM to accelerate your storage subsystem it
can use up to a gig of your RAM at a time and it's awesome and it works but
it was only available on Samsung your consumer grade drive not your PR grade
Drive what is this so it's now available for existing 840 Pro owners or anyone
who buys that SSD in the future and
they've also enabled some new trusted Computing thing on the 840 Evo which I'm
sure is important but I'm not as interested in that as raw performance
and finally they have a one terabyte
Matata SSD now so it's an 840 Evo
meaning you have support for Rapid meaning you have support for their you
know awesome data migration utility and all that great stuff and you have one
terte of storage in a notebook pretty sick which is just balling my favorite
part about m ssds is like they're like
that big yeah I know they're tin they have so much ridiculous amounts of
storage on them I know it's amazing it's it's kind of like those uh those sandis
USB drives that we had I showed you those things right where it's like
literally the size of the connector like I put it in I'm like how am I supposed to get this out of the port and it's
like 64 gigs it's like where did you where did you put that and we have SD
cards now from uh Kings oh no we have a micro SD from SanDisk as well that is 64
gigs and can do like 45 megabytes per second rights and like 90 Megs per
second reads it's ridiculous flash storage it's not the end of development
and uh improvements there I know we're dropping a lot of frames guys there's not a whole lot we can do it right now
I've been talking to the twitch chat about all the different problems and what not that are going on with the
frames we're good I think we'll make it through so I think we covered all of our
main topics for this week do we have anything left we have some stuff but
this is hilarious oh yeah yeah this is actually slightly older news guys but
check this out this is from holy ca. alltop
do.com 140,000 VHS tapes from
1977 to 2012 were found in storage all
right so basically Miz Stokes this lady
died at age 83 and at some point in
1977 she decided that she was going to tape all the news
ever so she planned her life around it she would feed six-hour tapes into the
news channel recorders late at night and
then she'd wake up early the next day to change them or conscript family members
to do it if she wasn't home she'd cut short meals at restaurants to rush home
before tapes ended and when she got too old to keep up she trained a younger
helper named Frank to run the various recording equipment so it is
potentially the most
uh the most complete news recording archive in
existence and it's on 140,000 VHS tapes
and who's going to deal with
that I'd have to imagine it has to end up somewhere you can't just throw all
that history away I know but like who's that's amazing I know but who's going to
do it I don't know like and okay one
thing that I don't know can INSP people to do it if he can build
a Nikolai Tesla Museum then maybe he can
do this maybe meal if you're watching which I know you aren't he's not I know
way too cool for us I love the oatmeal okay you got an N to watch if we
can get the oatmeal on this show then
during his entire guest segment I will like I'll go behind the couch I will
take my underwear off and I will wear them on my head for the entire guest
segment okay if someone can convince the
oatmeal to come and be on our show for half an hour because I would fan girl
out so hard God would you fan girl out as hard as you do with an end he hasn't
had as much of an impact on the direction of my life as an end um but I
think he's awesome well no he has know I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing today
if I know you know what screw you he hasn't had this profound impact on my
life he hasn't driven me to do great things in other news the Nexus 5 had has
had a silent done talking about the last oh we're done talking about it now the
next is five this was posted by Joe petite J petite I don't know man jaati
on the Forum has had a silent Hardware revision that actually addresses one of
my major complaints about that well two of my major complaints about the device number one is that they have expanded
the speaker grills see they're bigger now so more sound in theory number two
is they have updated the buttons to be harder to press and more clicky a little
bit more tactile this might have seemed like a petty complaint and I think some
people didn't like this in my Nexus 5 review but to me having buttons
positioned so that when you go to press one of them you accidentally press the
one that is opposed to it on the other side of the phone is a big usability
problem accidentally changing your volume all the time or whatever else is a problem I don't like that on the HTC1
as well that's one of my major complaints on this phone because the lock is up here the volume is here so
the way a right-handed person might hold the phone to unlock it is like this and
you often match Mash that volume button and they're not they don't stick out far
enough and they're not hard enough to press for you to really feel it so I thought that was a valid complaint and I
was right because they fixed it either way how would you feel if you were an
Nexus 5 owner uh actually kind of jipped kind of owned because if I if I like is
actually a bad word you may not even know that no yeah cuz it it refers to
gypsies pretty much there's an insane
amount of words that are actually terrible and people use them every day
you know that's referring to someone as a young buck is actually disrespectful
as well it's it's uh it was like an insult for Native Amer Americans if I
recall correctly someone said that in my like grade 10 social studies class and
the teacher like flipped out and she had no idea she was like what and she's like
the nicest girl in the world like one of those just like super nice girl why she
flip out she obviously didn't know I he was kind of an interesting guy is crazy
yeah all right I'm not going to talk about former teachers on the show they
might be watching they probably aren't I would I like a lot of my former teachers
Mr Thompson Mr first Mr trle probably none of them are watching at all of them
are watching at all but that would be awesome isn't it sad that they don't know how famous you are now actually
some of them do do they oh cool so the
Pirate Bay is going to be making domain names irrelevant they've actually
switched domain names twice in a matter of days and their new system is going to
allow them to get around domain takedowns by um well implementing The
Pirate Bay within its own web browser whoa I didn't read this topic I
just assumed they had some other thing going on that's nope crazy so this was
posted by guns cool on the Forum and uh the original article is from techy
but the Pirate Bay um has revealed this switch to Pirate bay. p is a temporary
switch the team is working on a bit torrent powered browser that will enable
users to store and share files with other users without requiring a central
hosting thereby eliminating the need for domain name completely so the actual
sharing of tracker information will be done peer-to-peer in much the same way
that the file sharing is already done peer-to-peer so there will be no one to
go after in theory could they just use like a lightly modified version of
Firefox so quote from the article is once that is available all links and
sites will be accessible through a perfectly legal piece of browser
software and the rest of it will be P2P with no Central Point to attack via the
legal system I think I don't know if they're going to but I think they could
just lightly modify the open source code for Firefox and just like easily have
this highly up updated really well performing browser
so isn't that fascinating that's smart I
like they might be making their own from the ground up I have no idea I haven't read this um article unfortunately
although I'm like super interested now and I'm totally going to read it I added
this at the last minute I actually didn't tell him um I was just posting
links on my phone I know I saw that coming in I was just focused on editing
the other the uh the other video um so that's fascinating hey that's super
crazy score one for the Pirates potentially here like how do you get
around that because yeah it could just just be like a button on the browser
that is just automatically updated and directed to the site or or like there's
so many or it doesn't even have to be a website at that point the browser could
just directly interface with it automatically y like holy crap yeah
that's good because there's there's stuff like this there's there's been like browsing applications like views I
guess you could technically say but it still interfaces with websites that actually manage everything it's just a
browser that accesses those websites this way it would be oh man yeah I know
it's like mine huge deal they just won the game
the game yeah the game for now the game
I'm trolling people oh all right all
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talking about I'm putting on our our intro thing oh the volume's not going to
be right can you just play the other scene I don't think is it in there no
you moved it no I moved it from this one I think we're done here okay