iPHONE X MISSING, iJustine, GamersNexus, NCIXTechTips - WAN Show September 22, 2017
Linus Tech Tips
·Linus Tech Tips
·2018-05-06
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13,382 words · ~66 min read
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and we are live welcome to the lan show
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you guys it's got tech news it's got guests it's got everything except some
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kind of a coherent strategy today because i'm going to be totally honest with you guys
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okay one thing first first things first hi justine hi welcome to the show thanks
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for having me yeah it's a it's absolutely my pleasure this is actually
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our first time meeting even though she's been here all day we actually have
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hardly interacted i was like are you sure he's here did i get tricked
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it's like some warehouse that i just showed up to is this how i die
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at the very back of a working complex
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very end okay in my def okay it's busy it's not
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the least sketchy area no it's not it's i mean wait
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it's not the most sketchy area
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it's also not the least sketchy starbucks on the ways i felt at home
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right um so she's here and then we've also got
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steven from gamersnexus and riley slash keys from ncis tech tips because
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luke and i along with our other special guests um i don't know if i'm going to
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bring you guys on the show because you guys are getting plenty of camera time but get on here and kind of say hi oh
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are they being all camera shy oh you guys are so bashable you guys have
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literally had a piece of glass in your face all week
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um do we leave now oh wow look at that
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it's rod take my spot i can't have this shirt on nothing uh yeah yeah it's okay
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yeah it's okay really yeah yeah it's okay it's okay
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it's rod and bob what's up guys did Linus and luke just
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film another week long show with these guys
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why do we keep inviting you here um so our celebrity judges were justine
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stephen and riley and our co-competitors
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were rod and bob stay tuned because tech showdown um it'll be
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i forget what i'm allowed to call them now uh whatever the tech showdown videos
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that are going to be coming soon are going to be totally unlike previous tech
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showdowns it's going to be pretty flippin sick
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so um right now it's showing viewers xero
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which usually i have the twitch chat up it's possible we are streaming to no one
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it's also entirely possible that it's not reporting correctly
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gonna find out what's going on you know what happens
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i pretty much walked off of the set onto
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here not pretty much literally that is exactly what happened and uh
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and i didn't have a lot of time to kind of set everything up correctly so you'll
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have to bear with me here notification that it's live oh that's good
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yeah yeah yeah we're live there are people watching it's all good okay so
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thanks guys uh so stay tuned for that and why don't we jump into our oh intro
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for the week boop well usually we tease some topics
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oh yeah normally we tease some time whatever we've got crazy guests we don't
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need topics you could sit here and talk about anything
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prepare some of the best shows have no news
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that's true
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right now you know
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all right functionality is a big issue sponsors for the show today
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and let's get started so
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the original article here is from tom's guide i'm going to go ahead and throw
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that up but the word on the street
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is when this click you know works at some
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point it's a word that i'm pretty excited about the iphone 8 is the
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world's fastest phone to go along with
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my world's slowest wi-fi right now
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apparently not even close did you see
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six core processors do you see this coming i uh no but i did see a bunch of
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reviews of people doing speed tests even comparing the eight to the note eight
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which was incredible because the note 8 definitely did lag behind yep yeah like
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specifically if we look at 3d mark the iphone 8 62 08 plus 64 000 note 8 you
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just referenced 39 000. yup i mean it's
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one of those things i i i got a lot of flack from my note 8 review people
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didn't really like it they said i didn't really give it enough credit um but one
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of my key points was not that it was a bad phone at all i said it's a great
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phone it's probably the productivity king if you have any use for the stylus
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whatsoever oh i have it right here actually there you go and i being a huge
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iphone fan too i was quite surprised how much i really like
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this have you watched movies on it um i watch netflix okay so any 21x9 like
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ultra wide screen content it felt a little bit was it wasn't ultra wide but
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it was still it felt a little bit strange because it is a little bit i
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don't know that's rounded yeah i mean that too i'm
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not going to complain because i mean i watch stuff on planes all the time so
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that's where i consume most of my content so i'm like this is a step up from the back of an airplane uh but yeah
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i mean and i think cameras too are something that is what people are mostly
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into most normal person who is going to go get their phone they just want us to
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take incredible photos to share out yeah and you know even getting a chance to
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see it at the apple event i mean in the gold i'm getting so excited
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this is like what i live for but in comparison to the x that's what
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i'm going to be interested to see because the hype around the eight is way
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less than previous years and there were tons of people that were talking about there were no lines
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like usual but i feel like that'll be way different for the actor oh the x is
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going to be a completely different story because and don't take this the wrong way it
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doesn't have to be a derogatory term but that's the one the zombies are lining up
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for yeah i will be there like if i was
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with my undead bells on
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um and and it's just it's it's one of those things where anyway so back to the
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back to the note eight one of my criticisms one of my key criticisms was
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that every previous note had something
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really different really killer about it and i feel like apple
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killed that with the iphone x but they didn't do that with the face right no
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the 8 is the most boring phone of all time it's essentially a 7s can you
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believe they're still using the same shell as the 6
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no which is kind of crazy i mean they tried to get away with it by saying it's
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the glass back which it does look really good like i like that look that's going
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back to like the iphone 4 when they first introduced that which was i
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love it before i still have an iphone 4 actually on my nightstand it's a great
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look you ipod it right basically uh yeah yeah yeah i just use it when i need like
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if i'm going to somewhere where like i might get mugged or whatever
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and i but i want a phone i just take my iphone 4. people are like give me your
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phone and be like sure well clearly you don't have much love
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for it if you're going to give it up in the street well come on it's worth less
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than my life i'll say that much to add some more stats to this before we
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keep on going uh in geekbench 4 the iphone 8 was 54 faster than the galaxy
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note 8 and in just four percent 54 and
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just in standard media encoding uh i don't remember exactly what was it was a
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two minute 4k video yeah encoded the iphone 8 finished in 42 seconds the note
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8 took more than three minutes and the galaxy s8 plus took more than four
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minutes so what that tells us is two things number one is that the iphone 8
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is hella fast and number two is that
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they are actually walking the walk when it comes to
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GPU computing and CPU computing and marrying them together yeah because AMD
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has been talking about that since the acquisition of ati back in
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what was it steven would know this was it 2008 what uh ati acquisition yeah
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that's all right yeah so whatever about 10 years ago
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since then AMD has been talking about how the GPU is going to be this
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fundament fusion they called it you were not going to be able to tell the
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difference between a CPU doing something in a GPU doing something you were just
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going to click go on a web page or you were going to
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click encode on a video or a warp
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stabilize in a in a video editing application
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and it was just going to use whichever one it used or some mixture of the two
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and we were going to treat the GPU like like more
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CPU cores and programmers were going to get into it and it never happened but
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this is one of those infuriating things for the non-apple folks out there
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where apple takes an idea that everybody else has been talking about for all this
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freaking time and then actually does it and that's
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classic i mean you know being a huge apple fan i
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think i get so much crap from the rest of you guys which you know i i
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and for fair for fair reasons
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but you know i mean what apple is good at is taking all the things that everyone has been doing really really
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well and then they make it a widespread thing for everyone to enjoy and easy to
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use like during the apple event there's a few things i know wireless charging
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was one of them for me where i was like thank god they're doing it fine i don't
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know everyone will do it exactly finally and i'm i was so afraid
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that just completely unnecessarily they were going to make it some other they
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were going to make it proprietary me too i was like no i was
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i was sure of it but you know what i think we actually do
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have like lackluster but present adoption of
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the technology broadly enough i think we have that to
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thank for apple kind of going okay this has enough momentum now that we don't
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need to absolutely break all the things for no apparent reason yeah and i
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thought they might have switched to usbc for the x but they didn't i was hoping
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that they would i was kind of hoping that they would as well um and i was
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really hoping like a lot of devices have a type c port but if you go and transfer
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photos off of them they're actually running at usb 2 speeds and i know that
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apple actually did have a usb 3 lightning connector on the ipad pro as
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of i believe the first gen um so i'll be interested to see if the lightning
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connector on the x is at least usb 3. that would be sick
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i just noticed you called it the x um
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sorry it's 10 i know and i do that because i use final cut x which is also
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final cut 10. right and i've been calling it that since the beginning so
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it's i'm so sorry but then apple's thing is like os x is not osx it's os 10. so
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so there they have a long enough history of x's 10 that we're just supposed to
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ignore that all the other phones are called 7 and not vii well where did the
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iphone 9 go yeah that i have a theory
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i think the iphone 9 is coming next september that's actually a brilliant
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idea that i didn't even think about so the iphone 9 is coming and it's going to
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still be the like step down it's going to be like the the new se
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and then the x 2 or the 11 or whatever
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whatever they end up going with in terms of this series naming or the x mark ii
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you know what that i hear again tinfoil hat i think they're just going to call
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it the iphone 10 again next year i think they're just going to call it the same
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thing because they've done it with every other bloody product line if they actually add like mark ii that's kind of
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cool but they don't yeah i know that's the issue you said mark two and i was
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like that's pretty late 2018. no the naming connections
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are a little bit off i mean technically the the eight should be a 7s but i mean
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if i'm not mistaken i believe it's the same a11 chip that is also in the eight
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and the x is that correct i believe so yeah yeah so
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i don't know i mean they're still sharing a lot of that same technology and i think it's going to be like do you
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want facial recognition and do you want to give up that touch id button i don't
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want to give up touch id i love touch id i don't think my parents would either so
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i feel like it's there's a different kind of generation gap and i don't know
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it's going to be interesting to see when the x comes out with what people kind of
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gravitate towards i think that's part of the reason we didn't get a new shell for
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the eight is that now it's the value phone yeah yeah yeah in the in much the
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same way that like you um you know if you buy an se it's that
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iphone 5 shell yeah so the value phone
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is like like it's one of those things where
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apple it's status it's a status symbol where if you get
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the jet black one everyone knows you're a mega baller and bought the top of the
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line and then you put a case on it this is
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terrible but in much the same way you don't even
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know there's no way you could even tell it's unless you look i think apple wants
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people who buy an eight to feel like last gen chumps
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a little bit for at a glance for it to not look any different for
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sure yeah i mean because they even rotated the camera right no that's on
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the x the x has the rotated camera yeah that's what i'm saying yeah so it's like
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extremely recognizably different yes it's really i don't think that was for a
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reason it could have been yeah i'm not actually sure that'd be
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interesting to see i'd like to see like an ifixit tear down or something so
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it's killer fast which really surprised me
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because apple stubbornly stuck to two core designs for the longest time when
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the entire rest of the industry was going like
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no put all the cores into the phones even though historically it hasn't made
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a huge difference to performance in the applications that most people are using
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but if i had to guess i would say this uh this this utilization of both CPU and
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GPU and this addition of multiple cores is really apple's way of saying okay
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look we think that people are going to need all these course for the kinds of
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workloads that are coming to phones in the near future and if it's if it's
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apple they're pretty good at predicting that now i had people approach me out of
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the blue and say can you believe so much of the keynote was about this stupid
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like facial emoji thing oh that it well they spent a lot of time on the watch
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which okay yeah because who cares about the watch
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no offense okay but to be fair to okay listen
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you you will have your entire you don't even need to have your phone like you can
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have lte on your wrist granted the battery life is not very good i think there you might
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have talk time of like an hour but the fact that you don't need your phone you
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can literally do okay don't i don't wanna don't don't you don't
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don't i'll stand up you're gonna be out of the frame
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i don't care i mean i don't think it's for everybody but i think that that is somewhat
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revolutionary in the fact that you really don't need this i don't need
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anything i can go for a walk i don't and you can go for a walk but don't go far
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don't go far yeah yeah sorry brandon it's because justine's a little bit
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further back here if you if you if you scooch up then we're good
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there we go and we're getting rowdy and like don't you start doing watch us
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look we're talking about the watch the watch it has the potential okay i
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have a mark zero or whatever i have the original one and my issue with it is that it's a
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development kit it is not a finished product it is a showcase of what they
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want the apple watch to do with a piss-poor battery and no ability to have
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the actual time showing all the time
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well at least i know what time it is it sometimes takes a little while yeah but
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i and i do think that of course this is going to be the first gen of lte
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so i mean the joke in my review is that it works great if you're sitting there
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and if you don't mind whoever you're with to know that you're like
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yeah yo what time it is but like okay imagine this like so in my review i
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bring up like what if you're in the middle of an awkward sexual encounter you're on your back you know you want to
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know what time it is it literally doesn't work well you can't find out who
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you're talking you can't find out when it's going to be over i mean like i love my apple watch
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but does it have the red dot on it because if not it's not lte and i need
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to leave and is it ceramic i need to know
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no i think i think it makes a little bit more sense maybe in the states because
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you guys can get companion sims fairly easily i don't think it's coming up here
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is it it's not yet really okay and i think in europe it's less common too so
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so if i came here i actually wouldn't be able to use it so
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let's talk about the bump okay so last last apple topic for now but let's talk
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about the bump on the watch then um they made a big song and dance about how
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they used the same frame with all the new tech packages two pieces of paper thicker
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at the crystal okay where's the end point of that are they
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just going to keep are they just going to keep doing this and just keep making the bump bigger but i honestly i looked
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at it and if and then i put it on and i could not tell the difference i mean you
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were like two pieces of paper what it seems like it would be very hard to
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notice you would not be able to notice because you already can feel this when it's on your wrist but yeah yeah you're
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not the two pieces of paper you're fine yeah but if you want to find some more
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reasons to hate it oh oh that's no we don't have time for
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that that's pretty uh that's pretty easy for me to do
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uh hold on a second um
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let me just see if there's anything else interesting in here
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yeah oh no i don't like it oh okay this is
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off macrumors.com i have some bad news were you did you know this yet
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i mean we've kind of all been assuming it since they announced it
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iphone 10 production faces further delays we'll start in mid-october
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okay i've got two questions for you do you think apparently final production
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of the iphone 10 has yet to even start
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okay i mean pre-orders are starting the
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third or 27th wait pre-orders are the third and it's supposed to ship the 27th
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so if you had to guess what do you think it is
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what's the supply chain issue yeah hmm
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do you think okay do you think it's that they can't get enough or do you think
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it's that they need too much i guess it's sort of two different ways of
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looking at it so they i mean realistically they obviously made one
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they had it on the stage like they may have been waiting though to see how the
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eight did you think so potentially i mean because it's the screen
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you think it's the screen are they getting the screen from samsung yeah so they could also be limiting the display
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i need to i don't know if there's not a ton of room yeah i know well no don't scoot over more because you're going to
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go into yeah then you'll be in there i'll stay on the edge look we aren't set
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up for guests very well we we're like this mic is in like a terrible position
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there's a way better way to do this setup and i have not been approved yet
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to fix it you haven't no i asked you two and you're like that's way too expensive
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it's way too expensive it's like four of a hundred four five hundred bucks yeah i
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know we're not should we start a gofundme yeah
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that's the answer to any stupid thing you can also just take this mic and like
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probably get Jake to 3d print something yeah that would probably work that would
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probably work yeah well there's also some people that were talking about they weren't 100 sure if the facial
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recognition was ready so it could also be a software thing that might have been
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a response yeah to what happened on stage but what happened on stage was
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that phone had been restarted and anytime you have to restart it you have to add the pin yeah um so that was that
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was not a facial recognition wow someone's pissed about that yeah so i
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mean it could be a combination of software not ready and also supply
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demand for the screens which is very realistic yeah this article also covered
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that the iphone 8 is not getting as much interest from customers as previous
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smartphones launched this fall and suggest that there could be many apple
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fans holding out for the iphone 10. yeah really yeah wow
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or you just get the eight and then get the ten and then you know and just keep
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them commit you they're like you have a problem you don't yeah and then you'll just you could just you could just rub
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them on your body every day well that was the surprise try to absorb the
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appleness because my sister today she's like should i go buy a phone i was like oh you're never gonna get one she's like
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well walked into best buy i got one and just i was like well that was easy so
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i'm not sure right the supply i mean people like are still getting them same
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day the lines weren't very long but the pre-orders was very smooth and normally
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all of the apple pre-orders is a disaster so maybe things just worked well for the pre-orders it is a
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it is a real departure from standard
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apple operating procedure for them to roll out a slide that basically says
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it's everything you love about the iphone 7 but better
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for for the iphone 8. yeah nothing they
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didn't say magical they didn't say revolutionary they didn't say
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because it's not though so but usually they find a way to make it seem like
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that that's true they use plastic so it's unapologetic but they were saving
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that for the x 10 10. i guess so but it's just like they still need to sell
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iphone 8s yeah i bet they probably won't have that
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much of an issue yeah probably not probably not and
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they'll be able to slow sell them over time so they'll move them eventually yeah
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all right so our next topic um thank you and thank you i'll talk to you soon yes
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once we're done the show our next topic is definitely
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right in steven's wheelhouse so get on in here
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all right this is fun how's it going
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pretty good do you want to introduce yourself uh sure i'm steve from cameras nexus i
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think that pretty much wraps it up
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we do technical hardware reviews and analysis all right speaking of technical hardware
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reviews and analysis for a quick second we've referenced
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steve and gamer's nexus quite a few times on WAN Show if you've heard us talk about things like the Noctua color
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controversy and a few other things you guys followed up yeah that one was
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interesting yeah so if you guys want to see stuff like that one thing that i
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really like on your guys's channel is how you'll dive into like how something
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was made yeah and kind of sometimes rip
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accompany a new one a little bit but yeah a little we yeah yeah
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like it it's a fine line to walk right yeah yeah
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yeah but i i like the attention of detail anyways well liked by consumers
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you get a mixed reaction on the other side of things if you mention uh gamer's
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nexus so rumored coffee lake pricing okay so okay
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now i don't know how much you know or don't
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know and you don't know how much i know or don't know about coffee lake so all
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we can go based on is what we are reading off of this page in front of us
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which is copied off of pchub online dot
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pl or awesome awesomedashtable.com
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okay so this is what we're going on this is all the information that we have but
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there is some good information in here so it tells us how many cores it's
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rumored to have uh what the TDP it's rumored to be will be but tells us the
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rumor TDP tells us rumored cash tells us socket
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rumored and it tells us clock speed rumors as well
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so apparently the core i7 8700k might
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end up landing about 400 as a rumored to be six core 12 thread
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processor at 3.7 to 4.7 gigahertz and um
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whatever 95 watt TDP is that too high
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does that kill it is that usd that's a conversion to usd now
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that's so here's the thing we were talking with our patreon backers a little bit about
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this the problem i have with this see that guy just dropped the patreon plug in
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there that's not what that is
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i've been watching you a while man
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you got that in there right at the beginning too so this guy's seen a
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youtube retention graph so yeah talk to them and the thing is
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it is evolution for Intel to go to 6 and 12 right that's definitely a movement
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but if you're moving in that direction and then sticking a similar price on it
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to what you had on previous high-end i7s well like the low end of
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the hedt cpus i don't it doesn't it's not really that
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much of an evolution so does this seem that's the price does this smell like uh
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if that pricing is correct which i don't know if it is but if it is does this
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smell a little bit like 6950x yeah well so here's the two more cores
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yeah oh by the way it costs 700 more
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than the eight core we had last gen oh by the way there's an eight core
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and enjoy one thing i can say about price because
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i've said this before we had a
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an undisclosed manufacturer talk to us not long ago about pricing targets and i
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was told ten to twenty more than the existing i7
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there okay there it's disruptive right there it's potentially a rising
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clobberer i mean you have you got this word right
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on your shirt here gamers right would gamers have a reason to buy a ryzen
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processor if the 8700k is 10 20 bucks
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more than a 7700k there's you know there's a whole lot of caveats in that
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question how does it overclock it is the platform stable but let's assume
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it's a it's a reasonably well thought out Intel launch let's assume turbo
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boost up to 4.7 works as expected
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let's assume that everything is goes well
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should you even buy a ryzen if you only play games and you're
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looking at spending about the same amount of money then probably not
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if it's a hundred dollars more than an r7 1700
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and you do things like actual content creation that is CPU
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accelerated not just GPU accelerated yeah then you should definitely be
25:02
looking at ryzen so uh i i think it comes down to a lot of
25:07
things you know there are a lot of people with the ryzen launch where
25:11
people who are content creators are realizing
25:14
there's so much performance i've left on the table yep and they can really
25:18
accelerate it now and people who aren't content creators but want to see AMD
25:22
succeed yeah are saying i can multitask but there's a difference between
25:27
having twitch and your music open and playing a game yeah and
25:32
actual like what you do or what we do production yeah so
25:36
it depends like at 408 dollars i think that's a little
25:40
too much now the chart also has some expected pricing
25:45
for other processors and it has the um
25:48
it has the 8600k so that's the rumored six core six thread at 286.
25:54
so we could be seeing this particular listing inflated on the i7 because
25:59
that's the most popular we know from our amazon sales affiliate link stuff
26:03
we know it's by far Intel's most popular channel processor anyway
26:08
um but if we're looking at let's say the price gap is more like 100 which is what
26:12
it normally is so let's say that one is more like
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you know 380 something at 286 again the gamer
26:20
question and the rumor is that the 8400
26:23
will also be a six core part
26:27
i mean that according to previous
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asterisk 400 parts should be like a 235
26:35
to 45 dollar part yeah and again it's
26:39
not really it's not a linear evolution if the price increases yes
26:44
it moves the bar so currently i5s and we said this in our
26:48
review of the r5s there's not a lot of reason to buy an i5
26:53
right now the i7 still holds on really well yep but you look at r5s and there's
26:58
there's actual gains there there's gains in frame times and specific games
27:02
where you don't really get that change with an i7 because already got all the threads
27:06
so yeah i mean i
27:10
i would need to see i5s stay the same price if they're increasing core count
27:14
or come down with the current core count to be
27:17
viable to me still i think part of the issue here and it's not gonna make up
27:21
like a hundred and fifty dollars but part of the issue here is that we're
27:24
going for another currency and converting back to usd and it's not just
27:28
dollar conversion there's different pricings in different
27:31
regions there's
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so they could be trying to they could be trying to convince stupid
27:39
customers to pre-order based on this pricing that will actually drop on
27:43
launch day once availability is real and pricing is real and everyone gets their
27:47
listings up yeah um some include like vat and stuff too yeah
27:52
yeah so this yeah this could have like 90 included so so we'll take it we'll take it for
27:56
what it is a rumor based on incomplete
28:00
data at best and i would say to add some value to the rumor like my look at it is
28:05
if it is 400 to 410 for the i7 that's kind of too much it might be a good
28:09
performer yeah but that's more than i want to see if it's like 10 to 20 more
28:13
than the current i7s that falls in line with Intel's current price creep where
28:17
every generation they've very slowly increased it dollars at a time yeah so
28:22
that's that's kind of they really do play a long game don't they do man yeah
28:27
it's like sometimes you look at what they're doing you go
28:31
but then other times you look at what they're doing you go yeah
28:35
um speaking of rumors with not a ton of credibility this one's from wccf tech
28:40
oh apparently this came out of eurocom
28:45
um it is rumored and this is again this is very early rumors that the upcoming
28:49
10 nanometer ice lake will bump the core count from six to
28:54
eight and then the thread count from 12 to 16
28:58
to match AMD's ryzen 7 and that'll be second half of 2018 so the timing sounds
29:02
right because Intel does refresh every year even if they don't really have
29:06
anything to show us can you um i you or i could have guessed that
29:11
though they're gonna have a processor next year yeah but i wouldn't have i
29:14
actually wouldn't have guessed they'd go eight core i would have said they might not bother
29:18
well i was kind of expecting eight core for coffee lake so
29:23
yeah yeah because i don't know like it takes a while to make a CPU so it's not
29:28
like coffee like is a response to ryzen
29:31
specifically as a piece of silicon there might be marketing attached to it that
29:35
is but yeah there might be pricing attached that is right like we might have seen a six core
29:39
coffee lake as like a 449 mainstream
29:43
processor to blur the lines even further
29:48
right yes i don't know i don't really know much about isolate i don't know anything
29:52
officially and i haven't followed rumors yeah well i think it's pretty damn early
29:56
don't the rumors get overwhelming at a point i try to stay away from them right and
30:01
we're so flung out like that's something i've been saying about wayne show we've
30:05
been covering rumors of the same AMD farts for like
30:08
over half a year like i think we're like nine months in now man okay tin foil hat
30:13
damn AMD rumors
30:16
are they actually leaks or are they buzz
30:19
generation created intentionally by AMD
30:24
or a company associated with it by AMD
30:27
or a company associated with them and there's two facets to the answer if
30:32
you think it's people at AMD do you think it is sanctioned or do you think
30:36
it is like guerrilla guerrilla marketing from people at AMD
30:42
who like think they have hot [ __ ] and most people know about it they have
30:46
their own gorilla marketing from uh red team plus is that it yeah yeah
30:50
that's i mean that kind of fills that role already i don't know like i've only
30:54
ever had one person approach me and say here's some
30:58
leaked information like that's happened one time
31:02
uh and it wasn't really anything to work with like it was it was clearly a
31:08
please post this we need something yeah so it wasn't like our ihs's are soldered
31:13
right but it wasn't from a big three like major engineering
31:17
company so i don't i like there's so i don't
31:21
think they would need to manufacture rumors it seems like the community kind
31:25
of does that well enough so
31:28
i don't know all right fair enough so my theory is that it's gorilla
31:33
because i mean if you've spent any time in taiwan or around taiwanese people
31:38
working in taiwanese companies you'll know that the the way the industry is
31:43
inbred is actually unfathomable from the
31:46
outside like the way people flit around from company to company sometimes even
31:51
landing back at the same one multiple times
31:54
everybody knows everybody
31:57
and taiwan is a small place
32:02
literally yeah a small place
32:06
and the thing about it is that even if you look at companies like well you could you could kind of go well AMD's
32:10
not headquartered in taiwan now there's Intel
32:13
sure but you got to understand if you want to build a motherboard for a secret
32:17
you're working with people in taiwan and china and probably hong kong there's people in
32:22
taiwan who have spec sheets for ice lake
32:25
based on what Intel is expecting like now like they're thinking about it
32:30
they're working people who make retention the the actual like socket retention kit
32:35
probably already know or will soon yep yeah
32:38
so yeah i mean and and you would think that loyalty or
32:42
uh legal uh like action ability at that level is
32:47
so far removed that it'd be easier to leak something
32:50
yep yeah rather than getting legal to sign off on something right i mean we've had
32:55
like i've had really frank conversations with uh okay i'll say with a big three
33:00
company that i criticized recently i'll say that so one of them so
33:04
one of them um
33:08
and the conversation went look you guys have an opportunity right now to turn
33:13
this criticism into a huge pr win
33:17
all you have to do is come on stream with me
33:20
and talk about it talk about how
33:25
you did something maybe not wrong but not
33:28
in the consumer's best interests hide from questions and say sorry
33:33
and commit to do better that's what you have to do you can take this thing that
33:37
we can hopefully both agree if we both live on planet earth and drink the same
33:41
water and eat the same food and live in the same reality that we can both agree
33:45
happened that's questionable
33:50
and you guys can just take it head on
33:53
and the email thread is actually quite long like it's a couple dozen replies
33:57
and there was a conference call that did take place where we talked about it and
34:02
then it went dead so i got killed by a sea
34:05
level or a vp level or legal
34:09
and we're just not going to talk about it apparently that happens a lot with legal i found
34:13
yeah like going to for example a recent example
34:18
the statement on vega pricing and being exceptionally ambiguous right
34:23
there was a reason for that and it's a legal reason really so well yeah but not
34:27
like we're going to get probably bound to it yeah like a certain degree a
34:32
preemptive typical like legal being overly concerned about specific phrasing
34:37
yeah and that kills a lot of conversations yeah yeah
34:41
it's really fun which is unfortunate because like if you got people on this
34:45
either any kind of corporate representative to actually answer harder questions
34:51
whether or not the the answer is actually good yeah that'd still be a big
34:56
thing yeah that's unfortunate okay last topic that uh that i think
35:01
should be a pretty good one for you um actually do you prefer this one or do
35:04
you want to find something else what's the other one uh hold on hold on i got
35:08
this i got this um this one
35:12
that's kind of interesting okay we're running a website so this was posted by
35:16
good bytes on the forum don't worry i know
35:22
uh but basically in a nutshell thanks to javascript which
35:26
is not to be confused with java the programming language the pirate bay
35:30
website has put code in their site that turns visiting computers into mining
35:35
machines for cryptocurrency without the user knowing so your CPU fan is just
35:40
going to like ramp up visitors visitors of the site are completely unaware of
35:45
the activity other than if you open up task manager
35:48
you'll see that your CPU is spiking to really high load maybe even reaching 100
35:53
and you may notice that your system is going to be a little bit less responsive
35:56
if you're quite familiar with how it's supposed to be running
36:00
so pirate bay not run by super ethical people so
36:05
regardless of what we say about the validity of this i think they're
36:09
going to keep doing it but your thoughts
36:12
so as i understand it after this was discovered yep they said it was a
36:17
24-hour trial yes here i got a quote you want to quote yeah the minor is being
36:22
tested for a short period approximately 24 hours as a new way to generate
36:26
revenue so they didn't mince any words no yeah they don't care
36:31
from from like i i will say that in a sort of
36:36
malicious way it is it's absolutely brilliant
36:40
to try and make money without being found out but it's so it's so wrong it's
36:46
like yeah it's it's clever but just like how the word great can be
36:50
used for evil yeah but i mean great idea the the thing with
36:54
that particular cleverness is that when you are found out and they
36:59
were it's pretty bad
37:03
you're like really digging into high it's generating more
37:07
power consumption yeah i don't think they care here's a question for you
37:11
though if you're still a pirate bay user at
37:16
this point like i don't follow the piracy scene as
37:20
closely as i once did it is no secret that i had a pirated copy of far cry
37:27
i definitely did part of the issue was that my disc one
37:32
didn't work anymore okay but there were definitely other games i didn't have a
37:36
broken disc one for let's put it that way okay
37:40
but even i know that with all the issues
37:43
they've gone through with some of the changes in terms of the personnel
37:46
running it oh yeah pirate bay is not pirate bay and i wouldn't be over there
37:51
using it so in my mind if you're still
37:54
using pirate bay are you even gonna notice the CPU spike
37:58
right are you gonna know of an alternative are you just stuck with it
38:04
yeah i if you're using it at this point i guess you're either very loyal or don't know a
38:09
better option loyal to what a logo
38:12
loyal to i know this i i like what i can get from here and i haven't looked
38:17
elsewhere i like any other brand loyalty you were
38:21
talking about apple a few minutes ago yeah i was talking about that same thing
38:26
this uh coin hine coin hive javascript
38:29
miner has definitely been used before we've talked about a similar story i
38:32
don't remember i don't remember what website i don't think it was a site at this kind of scale though no i i don't
38:37
even remember what it was like it might have been i feel like it had something to do with minecraft or
38:41
i don't know but like it's been used before for sure like here i'm bringing
38:45
up is it dot org these days i i don't know i can't remember but okay so bring
38:50
it up on alexa which is an inherently flawed yeah data collection method
38:56
apparently they're like in the top 100
39:00
sites wow yeah global rank 89.
39:04
okay if you check uh trafficestimate.com or quantcast you'll get a pretty
39:08
accurate picture yeah okay so let's throw let's throw it over
39:12
there as well um thepiratebay.org
39:18
isn't it.see um
39:21
yeah probably changes holy crap uh estimated monthly traffic visits um in
39:26
the 70 million
39:31
range per month that's bigger than uh
39:35
anandtech when it was like at its peak it was about 40 million well it's
39:39
somewhere around there but they were at 40 million page views for per month for
39:42
a while wow like just to give you a sense of scale
39:45
this also has it at an alexa rank of 136
39:49
so like i don't know how up to date any of this data is the point is
39:53
it's a big site and if you were hitting like let's say
39:58
half of the people noticed if you were hitting 25 30 million machines
40:04
for and and it runs as long as the tab is open somewhere in your browser
40:08
for even a few hours a day
40:11
even for that 24-hour period that's pretty good
40:14
yeah hit a couple million systems
40:17
yeah and you just go to sleep and wake up with well it's like it's basically
40:22
they built a botnet to mine but they don't even have to install malware on
40:28
unless you yeah right right
40:31
so it's like brilliant in that way but it's also like supremely dickish
40:39
you're in that community so like i don't know
40:42
is okay last last discussion point around this are you getting your just
40:47
desserts for pirating i don't know that i have a comment on
40:51
that yeah are you sure you're not go come on it's a land show no one holds it
40:55
anything you say i don't think it's i don't think it's necessarily just
40:59
because i think it would have to be in a different direction i think justice
41:02
relies on a fair trial blah blah blah so yeah
41:06
yeah exactly i think it's like you're in like the the under city and you're
41:10
trying to pickpocket something and someone's in your pocket too and
41:14
things are just happening so you're painting the pirate
41:18
as the downtrodden like no no no like like uh you know like
41:23
the the jedis go down to the undercity do some shady stuff sometimes too
41:28
sometimes good people go down there i'm having a hard time following your
41:32
analogy i think so i there are if you go to like the shady
41:36
part of town to buy some like lifted item
41:41
and something bad happens to you while you're there like you didn't ask for it
41:44
to happen but like nope you also could have avoided it you
41:47
probably could have avoided it but then then now we can bring up the sony root
41:51
kit thing could you have avoided it by going to
41:56
the shiny store that's well lit on the mains but then i feel like i'm buying it
42:00
then i feel bad but also from the
42:05
i don't i think there are there are valid uses for torrents for one yep
42:09
they're not as widespread probably at least not publicly known uh so there's
42:14
valid reasons to use them uh there are people who are visiting the site we've
42:18
we've used touring mm-hmm we've distributed files yeah patching
42:23
games especially way back in the day i know i think it was eve client the best
42:27
way to download it for a long time blizzard blizzard couldn't possibly have afforded dedicated servers in the early
42:32
days of wow you know
42:36
with all that starcraft money yeah with all that wow money you could turn off
42:41
the peer-to-peer downloading okay so sorry go ahead you were going to say something and then you were kind of
42:45
letting us talk over you so that you could avoid it so i'm not i'm not not
42:48
letting that happen again i wasn't trying to avoid it i think
42:51
uh there are you people may be visiting the site for
42:54
reasons that are not that don't involve torrenting or
42:57
stealing software i see yeah what if what if i'm researching a story
43:02
right and i go there and i'm a fan i feel really bad for the four people that that
43:07
affects yeah me too those are you talking about far
43:12
whenever star wars battlefront 2 came out more than a decade ago i had the disc it
43:18
didn't work because it had whatever security crap on it and so i had to
43:22
download the game but i had a valid serial number so to me that was a
43:26
justified use absolutely because i paid for it sure should work especially if
43:30
you put in the serial number like yeah yeah yeah that's that's i don't yeah
43:33
that's not even so i i don't know that it's as simple as
43:37
an eye for an eye in this instance no no it's not so so the collateral damage
43:43
argument the fact that it is not just if it is
43:47
not you know if there's no justice system yeah um so okay we're in agreement then
43:53
they're gigantic dicks right okay cool um speaking of gigantic
43:58
dicks uh riley please come join us
44:04
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44:07
thank you so much Linus that's so nice such a nice thing to say
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such an awkward thing to say um so
44:16
we're going to introduce yourself hi i'm riley i'm from a channel called ncix
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we make we make videos about computers sort of like you but
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sort of in the style of Linus but he's gone now yeah yeah
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44:39
i feel like when you have kids you'll understand
44:44
yeah no i'm going to be calling you up for advice yeah my advice
44:48
just get the operation now okay i'm just kidding i love my kids they're wonderful
44:52
if my kids are ever watching this and then no i already told you advice
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yeah like a number of times he's like oh here oh i can show my nipples here yeah
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they're okay nipples i mean they're not like no they're not
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like really disgusting or anything so yeah i'm not they're fine i've never
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even one of our one of our first recruitment videos like yeah i'm just gonna wear my boxers yeah that's it like
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no no no and i'm just like what what that seems like that seems like an ivan
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right into this have you had a look at this have you seen this you heard about this google buys htc but it's a little
50:57
more complicated than that so the original article here is from Android
51:01
central 1.1 billion basically for the right to hire people
51:06
you know i don't know i feel like they they they
51:09
they what who do they hire motorola before they well they bought them
51:13
motorola yeah and then flipped them to them they flipped them over so i feel
51:16
like maybe they were like okay we tried buying a phone company before and it
51:21
didn't work out well maybe the issue was that they bought motorola
51:24
who hadn't done anything relevant i mean okay lots of patents
51:29
but okay so this is at it
51:33
it affects apparently about 2 000 employees the reason why i'm stuttering
51:36
is this deal is to be able to hire them at
51:40
a cost of about 550 000 per employee
51:43
these are some primo employees yeah they are the best employees
51:52
you've never seen employees like this
51:56
trust me now to be clear this also gives them a non-exclusive license to htc's
52:01
intellectual property now i suspect if i had to guess based on
52:06
that htc's non-exclusive is fine because
52:11
from what i can tell google doesn't want htc to go out of business
52:16
so they're not going to like exclusively license everything and hire what is it i
52:19
think it's about half of their staff is that right is it half i don't know i think it's something like that don't
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don't quote me on that one though but it's a significant number of their staff
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they don't want them to go out of business because they still i believe
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they still intend to contract manufacture with htc they are not acquiring any of the manufacturing right
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i wonder if the employees get any of the cash from their like oh right to be sold
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like cattle i super bet not like like this is so yeah yeah it's like they're
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paying google is paying htc for the right to pay the employees
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their wage but i don't get anything
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whether htc has made anything relevant in the last
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three years or not they own the squeezy thing
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sorry go ahead they own a ton of cell phone ip
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because they were the og Android cell phone manufacturer
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um so one of the one of the biggest challenges
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around building a product is not figuring out how to build a product one
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of the biggest challenges is figuring out how to build a product without
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infringing on an 800 pound gorilla
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going to just lawsuit you into the dirt
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for building something that happens to infringe on their patent even if you
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developed it independently i mean that's why it's pretty much
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impossible for anyone else to show up and become
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a GPU manufacturer at this point it's like done Intel tried and if Intel
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can't do it quite frankly well maybe apple could still do it my
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question is but other than that i don't think so my my
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question is how many times is google going to do this like when an Android
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phone manufacturer is struggling because when they bought motorola motorola was
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basically like all just irrelevant yeah and then
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if they hadn't been bought they would have been done but now
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they're doing great again as well sort of but like you know
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yeah you're seeing i wouldn't be surprised if it kept happening remember it's really
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hard to tell if a chinese-backed company is doing great well okay i don't know
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their numbers because they could just be getting like you could be seeing like
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all these ads and all these new like products and all this stuff but it could
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be just literally chinese government money just buying paying for all of it
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true and then just buying the inventory off the shelves when it's done and burying
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it in a hole like we don't know or incinerating it
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and then creating rain to wash it out of the air
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like we don't know yeah no no that's fair but in terms of like brand
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awareness i mean i know i know that i've been hearing a lot more about like the
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moto moto g series and stuff right there they
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kind of found a niche as like this budget thing like my brother-in-law has
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one i think they're killing it in india too right yeah is my understanding
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anyway i could be wrong is the same good thing gonna happen with htc like by
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they didn't buy the whole company they bought part of it but like i don't know it's gonna be interesting
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to see whether it actually saves them or not right i love hcc i kind of have an
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emotional connection to them because they're did you did you ever see that original commercial with like with the
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uh we are you and you and you and i think so and the piano is like
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i like that commercial so because that commercial i don't want
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them to go up yeah yeah it's probably from a pr first they were my first
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agency but whatever yeah my first Android phone was an htc i don't know i
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just there we go okay now speaking of the feels from when you were a kid this
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original article is from bbc.com
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toys r us toys r us files for bankruptcy
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protection in the us and canada damn
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um wow 64. 6 what
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64 000 employees they have like i wanted to start like i wanted to start to go
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[ __ ] me for real yeah go [ __ ] you toys r us i think they're in the whole 4
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billion 4 billion four billion do it guys
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can we raise if every person on earth
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legitimately every single one of them we need a contributed 50 cents we need a
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sarah mclaughlin commercial yeah yeah ah
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look in the eyes look in the eyes of this batman action figure um so a us
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bankruptcy judge approved a loan of more than two billion to help stabilize the
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toy chain and i mean i love toys r us as much as anyone
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but why is anybody giving gigantic big
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box retail chains billion dollar loans i was gonna say this is just another
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amazon created corpse like like amazon just murdered this
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company yep yep i mean would you lend them two
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billion dollars no
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uh i'd have to get two billion dollars first clearly they all ran for right i'm not
57:03
sure how to answer that question the fact that they owe you know two billion
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dollars tells us everything we need to know
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about how the business is going billions i mean the stuff they sell is
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like 30 bucks well i don't know lego man
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okay that's true that was expensive yeah
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so in 2016 about 13.7 percent of all toy
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sales were online and that's up six and a half percent from five years ago
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that's in 2016. that's last year in countries where amazon is not as big so
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the uk the eu in general asia not
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included in the bankruptcy really so it's just countries where amazon is big
57:46
because i wonder who killed toys r us this is the thing about the the rise of
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amazon it's like you know i justine was saying she can order something and have
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it arrive in 15 minutes we don't have that luxury here in canada no not yet
57:58
but you know but it's like it's it's sounds like yeah maybe by 9 p.m but it's the same
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day but even here it's like a couple days as long as it's got prime we have a
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lot less prime selection but like i definitely get my money's worth
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that's for free shipping if you want to pay for it you can get it by 9 pm same
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day yeah as long as you order before i think it's 11 a.m or something and it's just like it's actually
58:20
more it takes less time like out of my life by like an order of
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magnitude oh yeah oh yeah to where i just like i like if we give my if my
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kids have a stupid birthday party to go to i've just got amazon top selling toys
58:35
find something that doesn't look like plastic garbage order it and don't think about it
58:39
anymore because my wife will wrap it and
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also you don't have to feel like kind of a weirdo walking into a toy store as a
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grown adult you know like this is for this isn't for me
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this is for my friend this is from my friend this is my friend
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with a pedo stash yeah yeah exactly yeah you had your speedo stash was great but
58:58
i i want to bring it back you should bring back every time i shave i just
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shave the whole thing and forget that i'm like oh yeah i want a stash you got to bring you know what if you want to
59:05
remember just take like a big sharpie and just draw on here and then you'll see it until it grows
59:09
over and it'll look basically the same yeah
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hey it'll remind you i had that for a long time but
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it's it's it's almost mainstream now it's too you know i was a hipster when i
59:21
had it yeah yeah it's like now you see a guy with a mustache you're like oh
59:25
it's just another dude all right so last topic of the day
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this could change memes forever
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pepe the frog's creator oh boy gets legal against the alt-right
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so yes the creator matt fury and his lawyers
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have taken legal action against the alt-right serving cease and desist
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orders to several alt-right personalities and websites including
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richard spencer and mike cernovich
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so spencer uh pepe is all over his site and the mascot for his podcast alt-right
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politics and for cernovich uh he used a
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3d version of pepe dancing with hillary clinton reading aloud sections of her
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new book he's also served a cease and desist against r slash the donald and as
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someone who has tried to contact reddit about the content on their site before
60:20
i can i can say that's probably not going anywhere they're really really
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good at just ignoring they've also issued dmca takedown requests to reddit
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amazon youtube and twitter notifying them that use of pepe by the alt-right
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on their platforms is copyright infringement
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and at the end of august fury's lawyers actually reached a settlement with eric
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hauser who appropriated pepe's image for use in an islamophobic children's book
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so they forced him to stop selling the book and made him donate the profits to
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the council on american islamic relations apparently google play has
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stopped selling build the wall of the game
60:58
because of advertising with special guest appearances from pepe that's right
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previously previously apple had refused to publish
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the game until it removed pepe the frog and apple has a blanket band against
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pepe the frog that it has enforced against multiple app creators this is
61:15
fascinating because it kind of opens up a conversation about who owns memes yes
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like memes have kind of existed as a sort of like oh it's a distributed
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content that kind of arose from the internet sort of organically so it's
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like if you make a meme and it becomes a meme do you own the copyright and and
61:35
the answer until now although i don't to my knowledge this hasn't been like
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seriously a question i think you absolutely do
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right because you created something but like a lot of the time it's derivative but
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not derivative enough you didn't create anything you captioned
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it in a lot of cases right and the caption is often part of the original
61:56
creation and and it has never been
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enforced no to this kind of a degree now
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to be clear it looks like matt fury is only going
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after the alt right here but if he wins
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a bunch of these battles if he wins a battle against reddit imagine he wins
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against reddit there's some there's some problems though if he only goes after
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the alt-right yeah that would mean that he's doing it because he doesn't like how very specific people are using it i
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don't think that's a way that you can defend it also he let it happen for so
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long i think that hurts his case a lot that he probably won't be able to defend
62:33
it anymore because he seemed okay with it i think we've even talked on the lan
62:37
show about how at one point in time he was just like baby the frog is just a
62:40
thing man it was like the most stoned statement i've ever read
62:44
do you remember that quite a while ago but it was like a very
62:48
like everyone just gets to coexist and just pepe the frog's just awesome
62:52
teddy frog is for everyone he's probably taking a bunch of crap for
62:56
it yeah very likely i mean but it's been so long and that statement came out and
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if there's a statement saying sure you can use it he's basically screwed the obvious
63:06
parallel here is to the pewdiepie situation where he yes the firewatch
63:10
developer goes and does a dmca takedown specifically of pewdiepie's firewatch
63:15
content because they didn't agree with how you know with and and
63:19
there's a similar problem there which is probably why you're bringing this up but
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on firewatch's website there's a specific yes you can use this for
63:27
streaming and video creation and you can monetize it
63:30
and like it that one's a little bit more direct the firewatch one is that's
63:34
pretty black and white uh i'm not even 100 sure about the pepe the frog one it
63:38
was from a while ago and i think it was pretty vague anyways yeah but if there's
63:41
a confirm that you can use it like right i mean to be fair
63:46
is is the question whether he's a like he's justified in doing this
63:51
because i think he is yeah i don't think that's the question i think the question
63:54
of whether it's like legally yeah he's justified he'll win i'm talking about
63:58
whether i think he'll win right whether he's justified in doing this is not the
64:01
debate for sure if someone creates an image it belongs to them right and
64:06
people can't use it without permission but what the discussion is is around the
64:12
fact that this has always been this gray area yeah and now we're opening up this
64:15
can of worms that goes okay if people are gonna start defending
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their memes then are we gonna kill memes
64:32
but with glorious applause um i think there will still definitely be
64:36
some yeah yeah we gotta fit it in there yeah um i think there's definitely still
64:41
gonna be some like freeware memes and i bet you there will be like a
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reddit community around like anything posted in here if it is oc has some
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license like the public memeing license where everyone is allowed to use it
64:54
forever and then people are going to start creating memes out of stuff that comes out of there and then memes will
64:59
be saved i think i bet you that will happen if this like goes through i bet
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no no the internet would would rally around memes imager and reddit would get
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behind 4chan too let's not leave that they're all all these big sites they're
65:12
all going to get behind me let's just let's bring back ebom's world while we're at yeah they would save memes too
65:17
why not i mean for this for this to be the death of memes uh it kind of
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requires every meme creator to also do
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to yeah go after copyright for like their memes right so which i don't think yeah
65:31
i don't think that generally people are responsible for creating these kind of
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things i would be a lot more hesitant to use them though if used if anyone had
65:39
one illegal fight ever true
65:42
yeah as an individual i might just yellow it
65:45
but as a business because individually you'd be fine but how does fairy use play into that
65:50
because like if you take a meme and you're like okay i'm going to make a copy of this meme and put your like
65:54
block text caption on it that's not i mean that's technically
65:58
parody it's technically kind of i think you have to actually for commercial use
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it's tough yeah yeah yeah well if it's commercial use i think that's why these
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differences especially when uh there was the exact same font usually on the
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previous one yeah i don't think you'd get away with that yeah right i think
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you'd have to change the core of the image
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all right so that's pretty much it for the lan show for today thank you guys
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for tuning in big thanks to our special guests justine uh stephen and riley you
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rolling the outro i mean they can still hear us you guys are killing me they
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heard you say i'm rolling the outro you guys are killing me wait a minute
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you're killing me here are you alive
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i'm you're killing me i can still be alive what's taking so long am i dead
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am i alive i do not know
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oh my god how long does this outro go