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and we are live welcome to the lan show

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you guys it's got tech news it's got guests it's got everything except some

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kind of a coherent strategy today because i'm going to be totally honest with you guys

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okay one thing first first things first hi justine hi welcome to the show thanks

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for having me yeah it's a it's absolutely my pleasure this is actually

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our first time meeting even though she's been here all day we actually have

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hardly interacted i was like are you sure he's here did i get tricked

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it's like some warehouse that i just showed up to is this how i die

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at the very back of a working complex

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very end okay in my def okay it's busy it's not

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the least sketchy area no it's not it's i mean wait

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it's not the most sketchy area

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it's also not the least sketchy starbucks on the ways i felt at home

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right um so she's here and then we've also got

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steven from gamersnexus and riley slash keys from ncis tech tips because

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luke and i along with our other special guests um i don't know if i'm going to

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bring you guys on the show because you guys are getting plenty of camera time but get on here and kind of say hi oh

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are they being all camera shy oh you guys are so bashable you guys have

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literally had a piece of glass in your face all week

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um do we leave now oh wow look at that

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it's rod take my spot i can't have this shirt on nothing uh yeah yeah it's okay

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yeah it's okay really yeah yeah it's okay it's okay

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it's rod and bob what's up guys did Linus and luke just

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film another week long show with these guys

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why do we keep inviting you here um so our celebrity judges were justine

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stephen and riley and our co-competitors

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were rod and bob stay tuned because tech showdown um it'll be

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i forget what i'm allowed to call them now uh whatever the tech showdown videos

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that are going to be coming soon are going to be totally unlike previous tech

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showdowns it's going to be pretty flippin sick

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so um right now it's showing viewers xero

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which usually i have the twitch chat up it's possible we are streaming to no one

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it's also entirely possible that it's not reporting correctly

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gonna find out what's going on you know what happens

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i pretty much walked off of the set onto

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here not pretty much literally that is exactly what happened and uh

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and i didn't have a lot of time to kind of set everything up correctly so you'll

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have to bear with me here notification that it's live oh that's good

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yeah yeah yeah we're live there are people watching it's all good okay so

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thanks guys uh so stay tuned for that and why don't we jump into our oh intro

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for the week boop well usually we tease some topics

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oh yeah normally we tease some time whatever we've got crazy guests we don't

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need topics you could sit here and talk about anything

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prepare some of the best shows have no news

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that's true

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right now you know

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all right functionality is a big issue sponsors for the show today

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and let's get started so

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the original article here is from tom's guide i'm going to go ahead and throw

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that up but the word on the street

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is when this click you know works at some

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point it's a word that i'm pretty excited about the iphone 8 is the

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world's fastest phone to go along with

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my world's slowest wi-fi right now

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apparently not even close did you see

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six core processors do you see this coming i uh no but i did see a bunch of

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reviews of people doing speed tests even comparing the eight to the note eight

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which was incredible because the note 8 definitely did lag behind yep yeah like

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specifically if we look at 3d mark the iphone 8 62 08 plus 64 000 note 8 you

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just referenced 39 000. yup i mean it's

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one of those things i i i got a lot of flack from my note 8 review people

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didn't really like it they said i didn't really give it enough credit um but one

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of my key points was not that it was a bad phone at all i said it's a great

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phone it's probably the productivity king if you have any use for the stylus

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whatsoever oh i have it right here actually there you go and i being a huge

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iphone fan too i was quite surprised how much i really like

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this have you watched movies on it um i watch netflix okay so any 21x9 like

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ultra wide screen content it felt a little bit was it wasn't ultra wide but

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it was still it felt a little bit strange because it is a little bit i

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don't know that's rounded yeah i mean that too i'm

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not going to complain because i mean i watch stuff on planes all the time so

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that's where i consume most of my content so i'm like this is a step up from the back of an airplane uh but yeah

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i mean and i think cameras too are something that is what people are mostly

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into most normal person who is going to go get their phone they just want us to

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take incredible photos to share out yeah and you know even getting a chance to

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see it at the apple event i mean in the gold i'm getting so excited

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this is like what i live for but in comparison to the x that's what

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i'm going to be interested to see because the hype around the eight is way

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less than previous years and there were tons of people that were talking about there were no lines

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like usual but i feel like that'll be way different for the actor oh the x is

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going to be a completely different story because and don't take this the wrong way it

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doesn't have to be a derogatory term but that's the one the zombies are lining up

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for yeah i will be there like if i was

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with my undead bells on

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um and and it's just it's it's one of those things where anyway so back to the

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back to the note eight one of my criticisms one of my key criticisms was

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that every previous note had something

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really different really killer about it and i feel like apple

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killed that with the iphone x but they didn't do that with the face right no

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the 8 is the most boring phone of all time it's essentially a 7s can you

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believe they're still using the same shell as the 6

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no which is kind of crazy i mean they tried to get away with it by saying it's

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the glass back which it does look really good like i like that look that's going

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back to like the iphone 4 when they first introduced that which was i

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love it before i still have an iphone 4 actually on my nightstand it's a great

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look you ipod it right basically uh yeah yeah yeah i just use it when i need like

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if i'm going to somewhere where like i might get mugged or whatever

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and i but i want a phone i just take my iphone 4. people are like give me your

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phone and be like sure well clearly you don't have much love

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for it if you're going to give it up in the street well come on it's worth less

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than my life i'll say that much to add some more stats to this before we

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keep on going uh in geekbench 4 the iphone 8 was 54 faster than the galaxy

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note 8 and in just four percent 54 and

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just in standard media encoding uh i don't remember exactly what was it was a

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two minute 4k video yeah encoded the iphone 8 finished in 42 seconds the note

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8 took more than three minutes and the galaxy s8 plus took more than four

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minutes so what that tells us is two things number one is that the iphone 8

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is hella fast and number two is that

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they are actually walking the walk when it comes to

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GPU computing and CPU computing and marrying them together yeah because AMD

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has been talking about that since the acquisition of ati back in

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what was it steven would know this was it 2008 what uh ati acquisition yeah

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that's all right yeah so whatever about 10 years ago

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since then AMD has been talking about how the GPU is going to be this

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fundament fusion they called it you were not going to be able to tell the

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difference between a CPU doing something in a GPU doing something you were just

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going to click go on a web page or you were going to

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click encode on a video or a warp

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stabilize in a in a video editing application

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and it was just going to use whichever one it used or some mixture of the two

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and we were going to treat the GPU like like more

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CPU cores and programmers were going to get into it and it never happened but

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this is one of those infuriating things for the non-apple folks out there

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where apple takes an idea that everybody else has been talking about for all this

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freaking time and then actually does it and that's

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classic i mean you know being a huge apple fan i

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think i get so much crap from the rest of you guys which you know i i

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and for fair for fair reasons

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but you know i mean what apple is good at is taking all the things that everyone has been doing really really

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well and then they make it a widespread thing for everyone to enjoy and easy to

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use like during the apple event there's a few things i know wireless charging

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was one of them for me where i was like thank god they're doing it fine i don't

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know everyone will do it exactly finally and i'm i was so afraid

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that just completely unnecessarily they were going to make it some other they

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were going to make it proprietary me too i was like no i was

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i was sure of it but you know what i think we actually do

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have like lackluster but present adoption of

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the technology broadly enough i think we have that to

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thank for apple kind of going okay this has enough momentum now that we don't

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need to absolutely break all the things for no apparent reason yeah and i

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thought they might have switched to usbc for the x but they didn't i was hoping

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that they would i was kind of hoping that they would as well um and i was

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really hoping like a lot of devices have a type c port but if you go and transfer

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photos off of them they're actually running at usb 2 speeds and i know that

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apple actually did have a usb 3 lightning connector on the ipad pro as

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of i believe the first gen um so i'll be interested to see if the lightning

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connector on the x is at least usb 3. that would be sick

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i just noticed you called it the x um

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sorry it's 10 i know and i do that because i use final cut x which is also

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final cut 10. right and i've been calling it that since the beginning so

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it's i'm so sorry but then apple's thing is like os x is not osx it's os 10. so

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so there they have a long enough history of x's 10 that we're just supposed to

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ignore that all the other phones are called 7 and not vii well where did the

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iphone 9 go yeah that i have a theory

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i think the iphone 9 is coming next september that's actually a brilliant

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idea that i didn't even think about so the iphone 9 is coming and it's going to

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still be the like step down it's going to be like the the new se

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and then the x 2 or the 11 or whatever

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whatever they end up going with in terms of this series naming or the x mark ii

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you know what that i hear again tinfoil hat i think they're just going to call

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it the iphone 10 again next year i think they're just going to call it the same

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thing because they've done it with every other bloody product line if they actually add like mark ii that's kind of

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cool but they don't yeah i know that's the issue you said mark two and i was

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like that's pretty late 2018. no the naming connections

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are a little bit off i mean technically the the eight should be a 7s but i mean

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if i'm not mistaken i believe it's the same a11 chip that is also in the eight

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and the x is that correct i believe so yeah yeah so

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i don't know i mean they're still sharing a lot of that same technology and i think it's going to be like do you

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want facial recognition and do you want to give up that touch id button i don't

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want to give up touch id i love touch id i don't think my parents would either so

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i feel like it's there's a different kind of generation gap and i don't know

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it's going to be interesting to see when the x comes out with what people kind of

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gravitate towards i think that's part of the reason we didn't get a new shell for

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the eight is that now it's the value phone yeah yeah yeah in the in much the

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same way that like you um you know if you buy an se it's that

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iphone 5 shell yeah so the value phone

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is like like it's one of those things where

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apple it's status it's a status symbol where if you get

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the jet black one everyone knows you're a mega baller and bought the top of the

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line and then you put a case on it this is

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terrible but in much the same way you don't even

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know there's no way you could even tell it's unless you look i think apple wants

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people who buy an eight to feel like last gen chumps

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a little bit for at a glance for it to not look any different for

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sure yeah i mean because they even rotated the camera right no that's on

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the x the x has the rotated camera yeah that's what i'm saying yeah so it's like

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extremely recognizably different yes it's really i don't think that was for a

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reason it could have been yeah i'm not actually sure that'd be

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interesting to see i'd like to see like an ifixit tear down or something so

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it's killer fast which really surprised me

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because apple stubbornly stuck to two core designs for the longest time when

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the entire rest of the industry was going like

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no put all the cores into the phones even though historically it hasn't made

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a huge difference to performance in the applications that most people are using

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but if i had to guess i would say this uh this this utilization of both CPU and

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GPU and this addition of multiple cores is really apple's way of saying okay

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look we think that people are going to need all these course for the kinds of

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workloads that are coming to phones in the near future and if it's if it's

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apple they're pretty good at predicting that now i had people approach me out of

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the blue and say can you believe so much of the keynote was about this stupid

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like facial emoji thing oh that it well they spent a lot of time on the watch

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which okay yeah because who cares about the watch

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no offense okay but to be fair to okay listen

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you you will have your entire you don't even need to have your phone like you can

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have lte on your wrist granted the battery life is not very good i think there you might

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have talk time of like an hour but the fact that you don't need your phone you

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can literally do okay don't i don't wanna don't don't you don't

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don't i'll stand up you're gonna be out of the frame

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i don't care i mean i don't think it's for everybody but i think that that is somewhat

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revolutionary in the fact that you really don't need this i don't need

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anything i can go for a walk i don't and you can go for a walk but don't go far

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don't go far yeah yeah sorry brandon it's because justine's a little bit

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further back here if you if you if you scooch up then we're good

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there we go and we're getting rowdy and like don't you start doing watch us

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look we're talking about the watch the watch it has the potential okay i

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have a mark zero or whatever i have the original one and my issue with it is that it's a

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development kit it is not a finished product it is a showcase of what they

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want the apple watch to do with a piss-poor battery and no ability to have

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the actual time showing all the time

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well at least i know what time it is it sometimes takes a little while yeah but

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i and i do think that of course this is going to be the first gen of lte

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so i mean the joke in my review is that it works great if you're sitting there

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and if you don't mind whoever you're with to know that you're like

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yeah yo what time it is but like okay imagine this like so in my review i

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bring up like what if you're in the middle of an awkward sexual encounter you're on your back you know you want to

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know what time it is it literally doesn't work well you can't find out who

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you're talking you can't find out when it's going to be over i mean like i love my apple watch

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but does it have the red dot on it because if not it's not lte and i need

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to leave and is it ceramic i need to know

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no i think i think it makes a little bit more sense maybe in the states because

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you guys can get companion sims fairly easily i don't think it's coming up here

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is it it's not yet really okay and i think in europe it's less common too so

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so if i came here i actually wouldn't be able to use it so

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let's talk about the bump okay so last last apple topic for now but let's talk

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about the bump on the watch then um they made a big song and dance about how

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they used the same frame with all the new tech packages two pieces of paper thicker

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at the crystal okay where's the end point of that are they

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just going to keep are they just going to keep doing this and just keep making the bump bigger but i honestly i looked

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at it and if and then i put it on and i could not tell the difference i mean you

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were like two pieces of paper what it seems like it would be very hard to

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notice you would not be able to notice because you already can feel this when it's on your wrist but yeah yeah you're

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not the two pieces of paper you're fine yeah but if you want to find some more

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reasons to hate it oh oh that's no we don't have time for

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that that's pretty uh that's pretty easy for me to do

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uh hold on a second um

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let me just see if there's anything else interesting in here

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yeah oh no i don't like it oh okay this is

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off macrumors.com i have some bad news were you did you know this yet

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i mean we've kind of all been assuming it since they announced it

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iphone 10 production faces further delays we'll start in mid-october

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okay i've got two questions for you do you think apparently final production

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of the iphone 10 has yet to even start

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okay i mean pre-orders are starting the

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third or 27th wait pre-orders are the third and it's supposed to ship the 27th

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so if you had to guess what do you think it is

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what's the supply chain issue yeah hmm

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do you think okay do you think it's that they can't get enough or do you think

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it's that they need too much i guess it's sort of two different ways of

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looking at it so they i mean realistically they obviously made one

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they had it on the stage like they may have been waiting though to see how the

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eight did you think so potentially i mean because it's the screen

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you think it's the screen are they getting the screen from samsung yeah so they could also be limiting the display

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i need to i don't know if there's not a ton of room yeah i know well no don't scoot over more because you're going to

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go into yeah then you'll be in there i'll stay on the edge look we aren't set

00:18:02.559 --> 00:18:08.400
up for guests very well we we're like this mic is in like a terrible position

00:18:06.960 --> 00:18:12.559
there's a way better way to do this setup and i have not been approved yet

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to fix it you haven't no i asked you two and you're like that's way too expensive

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it's way too expensive it's like four of a hundred four five hundred bucks yeah i

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know we're not should we start a gofundme yeah

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that's the answer to any stupid thing you can also just take this mic and like

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probably get Jake to 3d print something yeah that would probably work that would

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probably work yeah well there's also some people that were talking about they weren't 100 sure if the facial

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recognition was ready so it could also be a software thing that might have been

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a response yeah to what happened on stage but what happened on stage was

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that phone had been restarted and anytime you have to restart it you have to add the pin yeah um so that was that

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was not a facial recognition wow someone's pissed about that yeah so i

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mean it could be a combination of software not ready and also supply

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demand for the screens which is very realistic yeah this article also covered

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that the iphone 8 is not getting as much interest from customers as previous

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smartphones launched this fall and suggest that there could be many apple

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fans holding out for the iphone 10. yeah really yeah wow

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or you just get the eight and then get the ten and then you know and just keep

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them commit you they're like you have a problem you don't yeah and then you'll just you could just you could just rub

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them on your body every day well that was the surprise try to absorb the

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appleness because my sister today she's like should i go buy a phone i was like oh you're never gonna get one she's like

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well walked into best buy i got one and just i was like well that was easy so

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i'm not sure right the supply i mean people like are still getting them same

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day the lines weren't very long but the pre-orders was very smooth and normally

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all of the apple pre-orders is a disaster so maybe things just worked well for the pre-orders it is a

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it is a real departure from standard

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apple operating procedure for them to roll out a slide that basically says

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it's everything you love about the iphone 7 but better

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for for the iphone 8. yeah nothing they

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didn't say magical they didn't say revolutionary they didn't say

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because it's not though so but usually they find a way to make it seem like

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that that's true they use plastic so it's unapologetic but they were saving

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that for the x 10 10. i guess so but it's just like they still need to sell

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iphone 8s yeah i bet they probably won't have that

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much of an issue yeah probably not probably not and

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they'll be able to slow sell them over time so they'll move them eventually yeah

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all right so our next topic um thank you and thank you i'll talk to you soon yes

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once we're done the show our next topic is definitely

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right in steven's wheelhouse so get on in here

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all right this is fun how's it going

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pretty good do you want to introduce yourself uh sure i'm steve from cameras nexus i

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think that pretty much wraps it up

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we do technical hardware reviews and analysis all right speaking of technical hardware

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reviews and analysis for a quick second we've referenced

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steve and gamer's nexus quite a few times on WAN Show if you've heard us talk about things like the Noctua color

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controversy and a few other things you guys followed up yeah that one was

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interesting yeah so if you guys want to see stuff like that one thing that i

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really like on your guys's channel is how you'll dive into like how something

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was made yeah and kind of sometimes rip

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accompany a new one a little bit but yeah a little we yeah yeah

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like it it's a fine line to walk right yeah yeah

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yeah but i i like the attention of detail anyways well liked by consumers

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you get a mixed reaction on the other side of things if you mention uh gamer's

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nexus so rumored coffee lake pricing okay so okay

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now i don't know how much you know or don't

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know and you don't know how much i know or don't know about coffee lake so all

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we can go based on is what we are reading off of this page in front of us

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which is copied off of pchub online dot

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pl or awesome awesomedashtable.com

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okay so this is what we're going on this is all the information that we have but

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there is some good information in here so it tells us how many cores it's

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rumored to have uh what the TDP it's rumored to be will be but tells us the

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rumor TDP tells us rumored cash tells us socket

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rumored and it tells us clock speed rumors as well

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so apparently the core i7 8700k might

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end up landing about 400 as a rumored to be six core 12 thread

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processor at 3.7 to 4.7 gigahertz and um

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whatever 95 watt TDP is that too high

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does that kill it is that usd that's a conversion to usd now

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that's so here's the thing we were talking with our patreon backers a little bit about

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this the problem i have with this see that guy just dropped the patreon plug in

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there that's not what that is

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i've been watching you a while man

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you got that in there right at the beginning too so this guy's seen a

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youtube retention graph so yeah talk to them and the thing is

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it is evolution for Intel to go to 6 and 12 right that's definitely a movement

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but if you're moving in that direction and then sticking a similar price on it

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to what you had on previous high-end i7s well like the low end of

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the hedt cpus i don't it doesn't it's not really that

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much of an evolution so does this seem that's the price does this smell like uh

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if that pricing is correct which i don't know if it is but if it is does this

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smell a little bit like 6950x yeah well so here's the two more cores

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yeah oh by the way it costs 700 more

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than the eight core we had last gen oh by the way there's an eight core

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and enjoy one thing i can say about price because

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i've said this before we had a

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an undisclosed manufacturer talk to us not long ago about pricing targets and i

00:24:02.320 --> 00:24:09.360
was told ten to twenty more than the existing i7

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there okay there it's disruptive right there it's potentially a rising

00:24:12.080 --> 00:24:17.600
clobberer i mean you have you got this word right

00:24:15.200 --> 00:24:22.640
on your shirt here gamers right would gamers have a reason to buy a ryzen

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processor if the 8700k is 10 20 bucks

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more than a 7700k there's you know there's a whole lot of caveats in that

00:24:26.159 --> 00:24:33.679
question how does it overclock it is the platform stable but let's assume

00:24:31.520 --> 00:24:39.120
it's a it's a reasonably well thought out Intel launch let's assume turbo

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boost up to 4.7 works as expected

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let's assume that everything is goes well

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should you even buy a ryzen if you only play games and you're

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looking at spending about the same amount of money then probably not

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if it's a hundred dollars more than an r7 1700

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and you do things like actual content creation that is CPU

00:24:58.960 --> 00:25:04.559
accelerated not just GPU accelerated yeah then you should definitely be

00:25:02.720 --> 00:25:08.799
looking at ryzen so uh i i think it comes down to a lot of

00:25:07.679 --> 00:25:13.600
things you know there are a lot of people with the ryzen launch where

00:25:11.279 --> 00:25:16.400
people who are content creators are realizing

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there's so much performance i've left on the table yep and they can really

00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:25.039
accelerate it now and people who aren't content creators but want to see AMD

00:25:22.240 --> 00:25:29.760
succeed yeah are saying i can multitask but there's a difference between

00:25:27.120 --> 00:25:34.400
having twitch and your music open and playing a game yeah and

00:25:32.000 --> 00:25:38.720
actual like what you do or what we do production yeah so

00:25:36.559 --> 00:25:42.720
it depends like at 408 dollars i think that's a little

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too much now the chart also has some expected pricing

00:25:45.120 --> 00:25:51.279
for other processors and it has the um

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it has the 8600k so that's the rumored six core six thread at 286.

00:25:54.799 --> 00:26:00.960
so we could be seeing this particular listing inflated on the i7 because

00:25:59.039 --> 00:26:06.159
that's the most popular we know from our amazon sales affiliate link stuff

00:26:03.679 --> 00:26:10.799
we know it's by far Intel's most popular channel processor anyway

00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:14.559
um but if we're looking at let's say the price gap is more like 100 which is what

00:26:12.559 --> 00:26:16.640
it normally is so let's say that one is more like

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you know 380 something at 286 again the gamer

00:26:20.799 --> 00:26:27.360
question and the rumor is that the 8400

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will also be a six core part

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i mean that according to previous

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asterisk 400 parts should be like a 235

00:26:35.440 --> 00:26:41.840
to 45 dollar part yeah and again it's

00:26:39.279 --> 00:26:45.520
not really it's not a linear evolution if the price increases yes

00:26:44.240 --> 00:26:49.919
it moves the bar so currently i5s and we said this in our

00:26:48.799 --> 00:26:55.600
review of the r5s there's not a lot of reason to buy an i5

00:26:53.360 --> 00:27:00.159
right now the i7 still holds on really well yep but you look at r5s and there's

00:26:58.480 --> 00:27:03.840
there's actual gains there there's gains in frame times and specific games

00:27:02.559 --> 00:27:08.320
where you don't really get that change with an i7 because already got all the threads

00:27:06.400 --> 00:27:12.320
so yeah i mean i

00:27:10.080 --> 00:27:16.480
i would need to see i5s stay the same price if they're increasing core count

00:27:14.159 --> 00:27:19.520
or come down with the current core count to be

00:27:17.440 --> 00:27:23.919
viable to me still i think part of the issue here and it's not gonna make up

00:27:21.679 --> 00:27:25.919
like a hundred and fifty dollars but part of the issue here is that we're

00:27:24.880 --> 00:27:30.720
going for another currency and converting back to usd and it's not just

00:27:28.559 --> 00:27:34.720
dollar conversion there's different pricings in different

00:27:31.919 --> 00:27:34.720
regions there's

00:27:36.159 --> 00:27:42.000
so they could be trying to they could be trying to convince stupid

00:27:39.919 --> 00:27:46.159
customers to pre-order based on this pricing that will actually drop on

00:27:43.919 --> 00:27:49.600
launch day once availability is real and pricing is real and everyone gets their

00:27:47.440 --> 00:27:53.360
listings up yeah um some include like vat and stuff too yeah

00:27:52.000 --> 00:28:00.320
yeah so this yeah this could have like 90 included so so we'll take it we'll take it for

00:27:56.640 --> 00:28:02.320
what it is a rumor based on incomplete

00:28:00.320 --> 00:28:07.679
data at best and i would say to add some value to the rumor like my look at it is

00:28:05.120 --> 00:28:11.200
if it is 400 to 410 for the i7 that's kind of too much it might be a good

00:28:09.120 --> 00:28:15.919
performer yeah but that's more than i want to see if it's like 10 to 20 more

00:28:13.679 --> 00:28:19.840
than the current i7s that falls in line with Intel's current price creep where

00:28:17.840 --> 00:28:24.320
every generation they've very slowly increased it dollars at a time yeah so

00:28:22.640 --> 00:28:29.279
that's that's kind of they really do play a long game don't they do man yeah

00:28:27.679 --> 00:28:32.799
it's like sometimes you look at what they're doing you go

00:28:31.520 --> 00:28:37.919
but then other times you look at what they're doing you go yeah

00:28:35.840 --> 00:28:41.679
um speaking of rumors with not a ton of credibility this one's from wccf tech

00:28:40.720 --> 00:28:48.000
oh apparently this came out of eurocom

00:28:45.440 --> 00:28:51.760
um it is rumored and this is again this is very early rumors that the upcoming

00:28:49.760 --> 00:28:55.760
10 nanometer ice lake will bump the core count from six to

00:28:54.559 --> 00:29:00.720
eight and then the thread count from 12 to 16

00:28:58.559 --> 00:29:04.880
to match AMD's ryzen 7 and that'll be second half of 2018 so the timing sounds

00:29:02.880 --> 00:29:09.440
right because Intel does refresh every year even if they don't really have

00:29:06.559 --> 00:29:13.360
anything to show us can you um i you or i could have guessed that

00:29:11.520 --> 00:29:16.240
though they're gonna have a processor next year yeah but i wouldn't have i

00:29:14.960 --> 00:29:21.120
actually wouldn't have guessed they'd go eight core i would have said they might not bother

00:29:18.799 --> 00:29:25.840
well i was kind of expecting eight core for coffee lake so

00:29:23.200 --> 00:29:31.679
yeah yeah because i don't know like it takes a while to make a CPU so it's not

00:29:28.399 --> 00:29:33.760
like coffee like is a response to ryzen

00:29:31.679 --> 00:29:36.480
specifically as a piece of silicon there might be marketing attached to it that

00:29:35.200 --> 00:29:43.919
is but yeah there might be pricing attached that is right like we might have seen a six core

00:29:39.840 --> 00:29:45.760
coffee lake as like a 449 mainstream

00:29:43.919 --> 00:29:49.279
processor to blur the lines even further

00:29:48.240 --> 00:29:54.880
right yes i don't know i don't really know much about isolate i don't know anything

00:29:52.159 --> 00:29:58.559
officially and i haven't followed rumors yeah well i think it's pretty damn early

00:29:56.880 --> 00:30:03.520
don't the rumors get overwhelming at a point i try to stay away from them right and

00:30:01.760 --> 00:30:07.279
we're so flung out like that's something i've been saying about wayne show we've

00:30:05.120 --> 00:30:10.880
been covering rumors of the same AMD farts for like

00:30:08.960 --> 00:30:14.640
over half a year like i think we're like nine months in now man okay tin foil hat

00:30:13.520 --> 00:30:19.919
damn AMD rumors

00:30:16.559 --> 00:30:22.480
are they actually leaks or are they buzz

00:30:19.919 --> 00:30:27.520
generation created intentionally by AMD

00:30:24.000 --> 00:30:30.080
or a company associated with it by AMD

00:30:27.520 --> 00:30:34.640
or a company associated with them and there's two facets to the answer if

00:30:32.559 --> 00:30:39.279
you think it's people at AMD do you think it is sanctioned or do you think

00:30:36.960 --> 00:30:44.880
it is like guerrilla guerrilla marketing from people at AMD

00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:48.240
who like think they have hot [ __ ] and most people know about it they have

00:30:46.000 --> 00:30:51.679
their own gorilla marketing from uh red team plus is that it yeah yeah

00:30:50.480 --> 00:30:56.480
that's i mean that kind of fills that role already i don't know like i've only

00:30:54.399 --> 00:31:00.480
ever had one person approach me and say here's some

00:30:58.720 --> 00:31:05.520
leaked information like that's happened one time

00:31:02.840 --> 00:31:10.640
uh and it wasn't really anything to work with like it was it was clearly a

00:31:08.159 --> 00:31:15.120
please post this we need something yeah so it wasn't like our ihs's are soldered

00:31:13.360 --> 00:31:19.120
right but it wasn't from a big three like major engineering

00:31:17.919 --> 00:31:23.840
company so i don't i like there's so i don't

00:31:21.679 --> 00:31:28.080
think they would need to manufacture rumors it seems like the community kind

00:31:25.760 --> 00:31:31.120
of does that well enough so

00:31:28.799 --> 00:31:35.600
i don't know all right fair enough so my theory is that it's gorilla

00:31:33.279 --> 00:31:40.399
because i mean if you've spent any time in taiwan or around taiwanese people

00:31:38.159 --> 00:31:46.480
working in taiwanese companies you'll know that the the way the industry is

00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:49.120
inbred is actually unfathomable from the

00:31:46.480 --> 00:31:53.279
outside like the way people flit around from company to company sometimes even

00:31:51.039 --> 00:31:56.480
landing back at the same one multiple times

00:31:54.720 --> 00:31:59.200
everybody knows everybody

00:31:57.919 --> 00:32:06.000
and taiwan is a small place

00:32:02.799 --> 00:32:07.440
literally yeah a small place

00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:11.919
and the thing about it is that even if you look at companies like well you could you could kind of go well AMD's

00:32:10.159 --> 00:32:15.760
not headquartered in taiwan now there's Intel

00:32:13.279 --> 00:32:19.279
sure but you got to understand if you want to build a motherboard for a secret

00:32:17.840 --> 00:32:25.519
you're working with people in taiwan and china and probably hong kong there's people in

00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:27.440
taiwan who have spec sheets for ice lake

00:32:25.519 --> 00:32:31.039
based on what Intel is expecting like now like they're thinking about it

00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:37.519
they're working people who make retention the the actual like socket retention kit

00:32:35.039 --> 00:32:40.399
probably already know or will soon yep yeah

00:32:38.480 --> 00:32:44.080
so yeah i mean and and you would think that loyalty or

00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:49.360
uh legal uh like action ability at that level is

00:32:47.360 --> 00:32:51.600
so far removed that it'd be easier to leak something

00:32:50.799 --> 00:32:57.760
yep yeah rather than getting legal to sign off on something right i mean we've had

00:32:55.360 --> 00:33:02.640
like i've had really frank conversations with uh okay i'll say with a big three

00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:06.399
company that i criticized recently i'll say that so one of them so

00:33:04.960 --> 00:33:10.720
one of them um

00:33:08.080 --> 00:33:17.440
and the conversation went look you guys have an opportunity right now to turn

00:33:13.279 --> 00:33:19.600
this criticism into a huge pr win

00:33:17.440 --> 00:33:22.880
all you have to do is come on stream with me

00:33:20.880 --> 00:33:26.559
and talk about it talk about how

00:33:25.039 --> 00:33:30.799
you did something maybe not wrong but not

00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:36.000
in the consumer's best interests hide from questions and say sorry

00:33:33.440 --> 00:33:39.760
and commit to do better that's what you have to do you can take this thing that

00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:43.200
we can hopefully both agree if we both live on planet earth and drink the same

00:33:41.440 --> 00:33:48.960
water and eat the same food and live in the same reality that we can both agree

00:33:45.840 --> 00:33:48.960
happened that's questionable

00:33:50.240 --> 00:33:55.279
and you guys can just take it head on

00:33:53.760 --> 00:33:59.760
and the email thread is actually quite long like it's a couple dozen replies

00:33:57.919 --> 00:34:03.200
and there was a conference call that did take place where we talked about it and

00:34:02.320 --> 00:34:08.320
then it went dead so i got killed by a sea

00:34:05.440 --> 00:34:10.800
level or a vp level or legal

00:34:09.520 --> 00:34:15.599
and we're just not going to talk about it apparently that happens a lot with legal i found

00:34:13.839 --> 00:34:20.960
yeah like going to for example a recent example

00:34:18.240 --> 00:34:25.200
the statement on vega pricing and being exceptionally ambiguous right

00:34:23.520 --> 00:34:29.679
there was a reason for that and it's a legal reason really so well yeah but not

00:34:27.839 --> 00:34:34.720
like we're going to get probably bound to it yeah like a certain degree a

00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:39.200
preemptive typical like legal being overly concerned about specific phrasing

00:34:37.919 --> 00:34:42.800
yeah and that kills a lot of conversations yeah yeah

00:34:41.440 --> 00:34:47.440
it's really fun which is unfortunate because like if you got people on this

00:34:45.760 --> 00:34:53.599
either any kind of corporate representative to actually answer harder questions

00:34:51.440 --> 00:34:58.800
whether or not the the answer is actually good yeah that'd still be a big

00:34:56.079 --> 00:35:03.599
thing yeah that's unfortunate okay last topic that uh that i think

00:35:01.440 --> 00:35:06.079
should be a pretty good one for you um actually do you prefer this one or do

00:35:04.720 --> 00:35:10.240
you want to find something else what's the other one uh hold on hold on i got

00:35:08.720 --> 00:35:14.400
this i got this um this one

00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:18.720
that's kind of interesting okay we're running a website so this was posted by

00:35:16.640 --> 00:35:20.880
good bytes on the forum don't worry i know

00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:28.480
uh but basically in a nutshell thanks to javascript which

00:35:26.480 --> 00:35:33.280
is not to be confused with java the programming language the pirate bay

00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:38.000
website has put code in their site that turns visiting computers into mining

00:35:35.920 --> 00:35:43.359
machines for cryptocurrency without the user knowing so your CPU fan is just

00:35:40.480 --> 00:35:46.640
going to like ramp up visitors visitors of the site are completely unaware of

00:35:45.200 --> 00:35:50.640
the activity other than if you open up task manager

00:35:48.720 --> 00:35:54.720
you'll see that your CPU is spiking to really high load maybe even reaching 100

00:35:53.280 --> 00:35:58.480
and you may notice that your system is going to be a little bit less responsive

00:35:56.320 --> 00:36:01.760
if you're quite familiar with how it's supposed to be running

00:36:00.720 --> 00:36:07.839
so pirate bay not run by super ethical people so

00:36:05.280 --> 00:36:11.760
regardless of what we say about the validity of this i think they're

00:36:09.520 --> 00:36:15.440
going to keep doing it but your thoughts

00:36:12.960 --> 00:36:20.800
so as i understand it after this was discovered yep they said it was a

00:36:17.920 --> 00:36:24.640
24-hour trial yes here i got a quote you want to quote yeah the minor is being

00:36:22.640 --> 00:36:29.040
tested for a short period approximately 24 hours as a new way to generate

00:36:26.800 --> 00:36:33.520
revenue so they didn't mince any words no yeah they don't care

00:36:31.119 --> 00:36:38.240
from from like i i will say that in a sort of

00:36:36.640 --> 00:36:42.400
malicious way it is it's absolutely brilliant

00:36:40.640 --> 00:36:48.240
to try and make money without being found out but it's so it's so wrong it's

00:36:46.160 --> 00:36:52.000
like yeah it's it's clever but just like how the word great can be

00:36:50.079 --> 00:36:56.880
used for evil yeah but i mean great idea the the thing with

00:36:54.720 --> 00:37:00.400
that particular cleverness is that when you are found out and they

00:36:59.359 --> 00:37:05.280
were it's pretty bad

00:37:03.040 --> 00:37:09.280
you're like really digging into high it's generating more

00:37:07.040 --> 00:37:13.680
power consumption yeah i don't think they care here's a question for you

00:37:11.680 --> 00:37:18.000
though if you're still a pirate bay user at

00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:23.760
this point like i don't follow the piracy scene as

00:37:20.880 --> 00:37:29.839
closely as i once did it is no secret that i had a pirated copy of far cry

00:37:27.760 --> 00:37:34.880
i definitely did part of the issue was that my disc one

00:37:32.160 --> 00:37:38.160
didn't work anymore okay but there were definitely other games i didn't have a

00:37:36.480 --> 00:37:43.280
broken disc one for let's put it that way okay

00:37:40.240 --> 00:37:45.040
but even i know that with all the issues

00:37:43.280 --> 00:37:49.440
they've gone through with some of the changes in terms of the personnel

00:37:46.880 --> 00:37:54.800
running it oh yeah pirate bay is not pirate bay and i wouldn't be over there

00:37:51.680 --> 00:37:56.640
using it so in my mind if you're still

00:37:54.800 --> 00:38:00.640
using pirate bay are you even gonna notice the CPU spike

00:37:58.720 --> 00:38:05.839
right are you gonna know of an alternative are you just stuck with it

00:38:04.560 --> 00:38:10.960
yeah i if you're using it at this point i guess you're either very loyal or don't know a

00:38:09.680 --> 00:38:15.680
better option loyal to what a logo

00:38:12.960 --> 00:38:19.280
loyal to i know this i i like what i can get from here and i haven't looked

00:38:17.520 --> 00:38:22.880
elsewhere i like any other brand loyalty you were

00:38:21.280 --> 00:38:29.280
talking about apple a few minutes ago yeah i was talking about that same thing

00:38:26.000 --> 00:38:30.880
this uh coin hine coin hive javascript

00:38:29.280 --> 00:38:33.839
miner has definitely been used before we've talked about a similar story i

00:38:32.800 --> 00:38:38.480
don't remember i don't remember what website i don't think it was a site at this kind of scale though no i i don't

00:38:37.200 --> 00:38:43.599
even remember what it was like it might have been i feel like it had something to do with minecraft or

00:38:41.680 --> 00:38:48.560
i don't know but like it's been used before for sure like here i'm bringing

00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:52.880
up is it dot org these days i i don't know i can't remember but okay so bring

00:38:50.640 --> 00:39:00.400
it up on alexa which is an inherently flawed yeah data collection method

00:38:56.720 --> 00:39:04.400
apparently they're like in the top 100

00:39:00.400 --> 00:39:06.880
sites wow yeah global rank 89.

00:39:04.400 --> 00:39:10.800
okay if you check uh trafficestimate.com or quantcast you'll get a pretty

00:39:08.800 --> 00:39:15.359
accurate picture yeah okay so let's throw let's throw it over

00:39:12.640 --> 00:39:19.839
there as well um thepiratebay.org

00:39:18.000 --> 00:39:23.599
isn't it.see um

00:39:21.440 --> 00:39:28.400
yeah probably changes holy crap uh estimated monthly traffic visits um in

00:39:26.880 --> 00:39:32.400
the 70 million

00:39:31.119 --> 00:39:37.760
range per month that's bigger than uh

00:39:35.839 --> 00:39:40.720
anandtech when it was like at its peak it was about 40 million well it's

00:39:39.680 --> 00:39:44.240
somewhere around there but they were at 40 million page views for per month for

00:39:42.720 --> 00:39:49.040
a while wow like just to give you a sense of scale

00:39:45.920 --> 00:39:51.359
this also has it at an alexa rank of 136

00:39:49.040 --> 00:39:55.520
so like i don't know how up to date any of this data is the point is

00:39:53.359 --> 00:40:00.560
it's a big site and if you were hitting like let's say

00:39:58.320 --> 00:40:06.079
half of the people noticed if you were hitting 25 30 million machines

00:40:04.079 --> 00:40:11.760
for and and it runs as long as the tab is open somewhere in your browser

00:40:08.400 --> 00:40:13.680
for even a few hours a day

00:40:11.760 --> 00:40:15.599
even for that 24-hour period that's pretty good

00:40:14.800 --> 00:40:20.320
yeah hit a couple million systems

00:40:17.920 --> 00:40:24.480
yeah and you just go to sleep and wake up with well it's like it's basically

00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:30.640
they built a botnet to mine but they don't even have to install malware on

00:40:28.480 --> 00:40:33.839
unless you yeah right right

00:40:31.760 --> 00:40:38.160
so it's like brilliant in that way but it's also like supremely dickish

00:40:39.520 --> 00:40:45.200
you're in that community so like i don't know

00:40:42.720 --> 00:40:49.760
is okay last last discussion point around this are you getting your just

00:40:47.040 --> 00:40:53.599
desserts for pirating i don't know that i have a comment on

00:40:51.440 --> 00:40:57.119
that yeah are you sure you're not go come on it's a land show no one holds it

00:40:55.599 --> 00:41:00.319
anything you say i don't think it's i don't think it's necessarily just

00:40:59.119 --> 00:41:04.640
because i think it would have to be in a different direction i think justice

00:41:02.240 --> 00:41:08.400
relies on a fair trial blah blah blah so yeah

00:41:06.640 --> 00:41:12.640
yeah exactly i think it's like you're in like the the under city and you're

00:41:10.640 --> 00:41:16.560
trying to pickpocket something and someone's in your pocket too and

00:41:14.800 --> 00:41:20.400
things are just happening so you're painting the pirate

00:41:18.400 --> 00:41:25.520
as the downtrodden like no no no like like uh you know like

00:41:23.680 --> 00:41:30.640
the the jedis go down to the undercity do some shady stuff sometimes too

00:41:28.880 --> 00:41:34.640
sometimes good people go down there i'm having a hard time following your

00:41:32.079 --> 00:41:39.040
analogy i think so i there are if you go to like the shady

00:41:36.640 --> 00:41:42.640
part of town to buy some like lifted item

00:41:41.280 --> 00:41:46.319
and something bad happens to you while you're there like you didn't ask for it

00:41:44.480 --> 00:41:49.920
to happen but like nope you also could have avoided it you

00:41:47.680 --> 00:41:53.680
probably could have avoided it but then then now we can bring up the sony root

00:41:51.599 --> 00:41:58.319
kit thing could you have avoided it by going to

00:41:56.079 --> 00:42:02.480
the shiny store that's well lit on the mains but then i feel like i'm buying it

00:42:00.560 --> 00:42:07.280
then i feel bad but also from the

00:42:05.440 --> 00:42:11.599
i don't i think there are there are valid uses for torrents for one yep

00:42:09.839 --> 00:42:16.640
they're not as widespread probably at least not publicly known uh so there's

00:42:14.480 --> 00:42:20.960
valid reasons to use them uh there are people who are visiting the site we've

00:42:18.560 --> 00:42:24.960
we've used touring mm-hmm we've distributed files yeah patching

00:42:23.119 --> 00:42:28.240
games especially way back in the day i know i think it was eve client the best

00:42:27.040 --> 00:42:35.440
way to download it for a long time blizzard blizzard couldn't possibly have afforded dedicated servers in the early

00:42:32.000 --> 00:42:35.440
days of wow you know

00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:42.880
with all that starcraft money yeah with all that wow money you could turn off

00:42:41.280 --> 00:42:46.480
the peer-to-peer downloading okay so sorry go ahead you were going to say something and then you were kind of

00:42:45.040 --> 00:42:50.079
letting us talk over you so that you could avoid it so i'm not i'm not not

00:42:48.079 --> 00:42:53.119
letting that happen again i wasn't trying to avoid it i think

00:42:51.680 --> 00:42:56.160
uh there are you people may be visiting the site for

00:42:54.720 --> 00:43:00.400
reasons that are not that don't involve torrenting or

00:42:57.920 --> 00:43:03.680
stealing software i see yeah what if what if i'm researching a story

00:43:02.480 --> 00:43:09.280
right and i go there and i'm a fan i feel really bad for the four people that that

00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:14.880
affects yeah me too those are you talking about far

00:43:12.960 --> 00:43:20.560
whenever star wars battlefront 2 came out more than a decade ago i had the disc it

00:43:18.480 --> 00:43:25.119
didn't work because it had whatever security crap on it and so i had to

00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:29.040
download the game but i had a valid serial number so to me that was a

00:43:26.880 --> 00:43:32.400
justified use absolutely because i paid for it sure should work especially if

00:43:30.640 --> 00:43:35.040
you put in the serial number like yeah yeah yeah that's that's i don't yeah

00:43:33.920 --> 00:43:40.880
that's not even so i i don't know that it's as simple as

00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:44.079
an eye for an eye in this instance no no it's not so so the collateral damage

00:43:43.119 --> 00:43:48.319
argument the fact that it is not just if it is

00:43:47.359 --> 00:43:55.760
not you know if there's no justice system yeah um so okay we're in agreement then

00:43:53.119 --> 00:44:00.400
they're gigantic dicks right okay cool um speaking of gigantic

00:43:58.319 --> 00:44:03.440
dicks uh riley please come join us

00:44:04.480 --> 00:44:10.400
well i could have meant that you're really well endowed i didn't that's true

00:44:07.760 --> 00:44:14.960
thank you so much Linus that's so nice such a nice thing to say

00:44:12.480 --> 00:44:18.400
such an awkward thing to say um so

00:44:16.480 --> 00:44:23.440
we're going to introduce yourself hi i'm riley i'm from a channel called ncix

00:44:21.520 --> 00:44:28.079
tech tips apparently not you've probably never heard of it uh Linus but

00:44:26.400 --> 00:44:31.040
we make we make videos about computers sort of like you but

00:44:31.359 --> 00:44:37.839
sort of in the style of Linus but he's gone now yeah yeah

00:44:35.200 --> 00:44:37.839
mentally

00:44:39.520 --> 00:44:45.520
i feel like when you have kids you'll understand

00:44:44.000 --> 00:44:50.720
yeah no i'm going to be calling you up for advice yeah my advice

00:44:48.400 --> 00:44:53.599
just get the operation now okay i'm just kidding i love my kids they're wonderful

00:44:52.160 --> 00:44:57.599
if my kids are ever watching this and then no i already told you advice

00:44:56.000 --> 00:45:01.520
this is gonna this is gonna end up being like one of those things where you you

00:44:59.440 --> 00:45:04.319
say look like i'm not saying you know hitler was

00:45:02.800 --> 00:45:08.160
you know what i didn't say it i didn't say it see but where people take the

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not like a freaking chemical bath um

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so how many times do you think i've shown your audience your nipples at this point

00:49:58.720 --> 00:50:05.359
actually very well okay because i feel like i think he's gone out of his way

00:50:03.280 --> 00:50:09.119
yeah like a number of times he's like oh here oh i can show my nipples here yeah

00:50:07.280 --> 00:50:12.640
they're okay nipples i mean they're not like no they're not

00:50:10.800 --> 00:50:15.520
like really disgusting or anything so yeah i'm not they're fine i've never

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even one of our one of our first recruitment videos like yeah i'm just gonna wear my boxers yeah that's it like

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i wrote that portion of the video where ed comes out with a laptop and he's he's

00:50:24.480 --> 00:50:30.800
just like okay Linus are you ready for the shoot that and i'm just like in my

00:50:28.480 --> 00:50:36.079
boxers with sunglasses on holding like two mp5s yeah and he's just like no no

00:50:34.000 --> 00:50:40.559
no no no and i'm just like what what that seems like that seems like an ivan

00:50:37.920 --> 00:50:43.440
move yeah mp5 so we were just trying to have something so weird that they used

00:50:42.000 --> 00:50:47.119
to work together yeah but now it's due again wow it's so

00:50:45.599 --> 00:50:52.800
interesting oh my goodness we would have seen that coming so similar sense of humor let's jump

00:50:51.119 --> 00:50:59.359
right into this have you had a look at this have you seen this you heard about this google buys htc but it's a little

00:50:57.440 --> 00:51:03.680
more complicated than that so the original article here is from Android

00:51:01.200 --> 00:51:07.359
central 1.1 billion basically for the right to hire people

00:51:06.079 --> 00:51:11.680
you know i don't know i feel like they they they

00:51:09.680 --> 00:51:15.119
they what who do they hire motorola before they well they bought them

00:51:13.280 --> 00:51:18.880
motorola yeah and then flipped them to them they flipped them over so i feel

00:51:16.640 --> 00:51:22.400
like maybe they were like okay we tried buying a phone company before and it

00:51:21.040 --> 00:51:26.160
didn't work out well maybe the issue was that they bought motorola

00:51:24.240 --> 00:51:30.720
who hadn't done anything relevant i mean okay lots of patents

00:51:29.440 --> 00:51:35.359
but okay so this is at it

00:51:33.520 --> 00:51:37.440
it affects apparently about 2 000 employees the reason why i'm stuttering

00:51:36.720 --> 00:51:43.920
is this deal is to be able to hire them at

00:51:40.319 --> 00:51:46.880
a cost of about 550 000 per employee

00:51:43.920 --> 00:51:51.319
these are some primo employees yeah they are the best employees

00:51:52.880 --> 00:51:56.400
you've never seen employees like this

00:51:56.960 --> 00:52:03.520
trust me now to be clear this also gives them a non-exclusive license to htc's

00:52:01.920 --> 00:52:09.359
intellectual property now i suspect if i had to guess based on

00:52:06.720 --> 00:52:14.000
that htc's non-exclusive is fine because

00:52:11.839 --> 00:52:17.760
from what i can tell google doesn't want htc to go out of business

00:52:16.160 --> 00:52:21.200
so they're not going to like exclusively license everything and hire what is it i

00:52:19.839 --> 00:52:24.720
think it's about half of their staff is that right is it half i don't know i think it's something like that don't

00:52:23.599 --> 00:52:28.480
don't quote me on that one though but it's a significant number of their staff

00:52:27.200 --> 00:52:32.800
they don't want them to go out of business because they still i believe

00:52:31.440 --> 00:52:39.359
they still intend to contract manufacture with htc they are not acquiring any of the manufacturing right

00:52:37.040 --> 00:52:44.400
i wonder if the employees get any of the cash from their like oh right to be sold

00:52:41.440 --> 00:52:48.240
like cattle i super bet not like like this is so yeah yeah it's like they're

00:52:46.400 --> 00:52:52.160
paying google is paying htc for the right to pay the employees

00:52:50.480 --> 00:52:56.079
their wage but i don't get anything

00:52:53.920 --> 00:52:59.680
whether htc has made anything relevant in the last

00:52:57.920 --> 00:53:04.480
three years or not they own the squeezy thing

00:53:02.800 --> 00:53:10.640
sorry go ahead they own a ton of cell phone ip

00:53:07.680 --> 00:53:13.599
because they were the og Android cell phone manufacturer

00:53:12.240 --> 00:53:17.920
um so one of the one of the biggest challenges

00:53:15.760 --> 00:53:21.599
around building a product is not figuring out how to build a product one

00:53:19.839 --> 00:53:27.839
of the biggest challenges is figuring out how to build a product without

00:53:23.200 --> 00:53:32.000
infringing on an 800 pound gorilla

00:53:27.839 --> 00:53:34.000
going to just lawsuit you into the dirt

00:53:32.000 --> 00:53:38.240
for building something that happens to infringe on their patent even if you

00:53:35.680 --> 00:53:42.079
developed it independently i mean that's why it's pretty much

00:53:40.000 --> 00:53:45.839
impossible for anyone else to show up and become

00:53:43.119 --> 00:53:50.880
a GPU manufacturer at this point it's like done Intel tried and if Intel

00:53:48.319 --> 00:53:54.000
can't do it quite frankly well maybe apple could still do it my

00:53:52.800 --> 00:53:59.119
question is but other than that i don't think so my my

00:53:57.440 --> 00:54:03.359
question is how many times is google going to do this like when an Android

00:54:01.200 --> 00:54:06.319
phone manufacturer is struggling because when they bought motorola motorola was

00:54:05.040 --> 00:54:10.800
basically like all just irrelevant yeah and then

00:54:08.800 --> 00:54:13.680
if they hadn't been bought they would have been done but now

00:54:12.000 --> 00:54:16.640
they're doing great again as well sort of but like you know

00:54:15.839 --> 00:54:21.520
yeah you're seeing i wouldn't be surprised if it kept happening remember it's really

00:54:19.280 --> 00:54:24.960
hard to tell if a chinese-backed company is doing great well okay i don't know

00:54:23.119 --> 00:54:29.200
their numbers because they could just be getting like you could be seeing like

00:54:26.880 --> 00:54:33.119
all these ads and all these new like products and all this stuff but it could

00:54:31.200 --> 00:54:36.160
be just literally chinese government money just buying paying for all of it

00:54:35.119 --> 00:54:41.920
true and then just buying the inventory off the shelves when it's done and burying

00:54:39.520 --> 00:54:46.640
it in a hole like we don't know or incinerating it

00:54:44.480 --> 00:54:50.559
and then creating rain to wash it out of the air

00:54:48.400 --> 00:54:54.079
like we don't know yeah no no that's fair but in terms of like brand

00:54:52.240 --> 00:54:56.800
awareness i mean i know i know that i've been hearing a lot more about like the

00:54:55.839 --> 00:55:00.800
moto moto g series and stuff right there they

00:54:59.359 --> 00:55:05.040
kind of found a niche as like this budget thing like my brother-in-law has

00:55:03.440 --> 00:55:08.880
one i think they're killing it in india too right yeah is my understanding

00:55:07.200 --> 00:55:13.359
anyway i could be wrong is the same good thing gonna happen with htc like by

00:55:12.079 --> 00:55:17.520
they didn't buy the whole company they bought part of it but like i don't know it's gonna be interesting

00:55:16.160 --> 00:55:21.200
to see whether it actually saves them or not right i love hcc i kind of have an

00:55:19.839 --> 00:55:27.760
emotional connection to them because they're did you did you ever see that original commercial with like with the

00:55:25.359 --> 00:55:31.040
uh we are you and you and you and i think so and the piano is like

00:55:31.760 --> 00:55:37.359
i like that commercial so because that commercial i don't want

00:55:36.000 --> 00:55:41.359
them to go up yeah yeah it's probably from a pr first they were my first

00:55:39.520 --> 00:55:45.200
agency but whatever yeah my first Android phone was an htc i don't know i

00:55:42.960 --> 00:55:51.040
just there we go okay now speaking of the feels from when you were a kid this

00:55:47.440 --> 00:55:54.720
original article is from bbc.com

00:55:51.040 --> 00:55:57.599
toys r us toys r us files for bankruptcy

00:55:54.720 --> 00:55:59.839
protection in the us and canada damn

00:55:58.799 --> 00:56:06.559
um wow 64. 6 what

00:56:03.599 --> 00:56:10.480
64 000 employees they have like i wanted to start like i wanted to start to go

00:56:08.160 --> 00:56:14.400
[ __ ] me for real yeah go [ __ ] you toys r us i think they're in the whole 4

00:56:12.480 --> 00:56:21.680
billion 4 billion four billion do it guys

00:56:18.240 --> 00:56:24.160
can we raise if every person on earth

00:56:21.680 --> 00:56:28.839
legitimately every single one of them we need a contributed 50 cents we need a

00:56:26.640 --> 00:56:31.760
sarah mclaughlin commercial yeah yeah ah

00:56:30.240 --> 00:56:36.319
look in the eyes look in the eyes of this batman action figure um so a us

00:56:34.319 --> 00:56:40.160
bankruptcy judge approved a loan of more than two billion to help stabilize the

00:56:38.079 --> 00:56:44.400
toy chain and i mean i love toys r us as much as anyone

00:56:41.359 --> 00:56:46.960
but why is anybody giving gigantic big

00:56:44.400 --> 00:56:50.400
box retail chains billion dollar loans i was gonna say this is just another

00:56:48.079 --> 00:56:53.440
amazon created corpse like like amazon just murdered this

00:56:52.160 --> 00:56:58.880
company yep yep i mean would you lend them two

00:56:55.680 --> 00:57:00.319
billion dollars no

00:56:58.880 --> 00:57:04.640
uh i'd have to get two billion dollars first clearly they all ran for right i'm not

00:57:03.440 --> 00:57:08.160
sure how to answer that question the fact that they owe you know two billion

00:57:07.200 --> 00:57:11.119
dollars tells us everything we need to know

00:57:10.240 --> 00:57:17.040
about how the business is going billions i mean the stuff they sell is

00:57:16.079 --> 00:57:23.359
like 30 bucks well i don't know lego man

00:57:20.720 --> 00:57:28.079
okay that's true that was expensive yeah

00:57:24.160 --> 00:57:30.880
so in 2016 about 13.7 percent of all toy

00:57:28.079 --> 00:57:36.160
sales were online and that's up six and a half percent from five years ago

00:57:34.160 --> 00:57:42.240
that's in 2016. that's last year in countries where amazon is not as big so

00:57:38.960 --> 00:57:44.559
the uk the eu in general asia not

00:57:42.240 --> 00:57:49.359
included in the bankruptcy really so it's just countries where amazon is big

00:57:46.720 --> 00:57:53.520
because i wonder who killed toys r us this is the thing about the the rise of

00:57:51.119 --> 00:57:56.799
amazon it's like you know i justine was saying she can order something and have

00:57:55.280 --> 00:58:00.559
it arrive in 15 minutes we don't have that luxury here in canada no not yet

00:57:58.720 --> 00:58:05.839
but you know but it's like it's it's sounds like yeah maybe by 9 p.m but it's the same

00:58:04.000 --> 00:58:09.680
day but even here it's like a couple days as long as it's got prime we have a

00:58:07.520 --> 00:58:13.040
lot less prime selection but like i definitely get my money's worth

00:58:11.520 --> 00:58:16.400
that's for free shipping if you want to pay for it you can get it by 9 pm same

00:58:14.799 --> 00:58:22.640
day yeah as long as you order before i think it's 11 a.m or something and it's just like it's actually

00:58:20.079 --> 00:58:27.200
more it takes less time like out of my life by like an order of

00:58:25.119 --> 00:58:31.680
magnitude oh yeah oh yeah to where i just like i like if we give my if my

00:58:29.680 --> 00:58:36.319
kids have a stupid birthday party to go to i've just got amazon top selling toys

00:58:35.040 --> 00:58:43.040
find something that doesn't look like plastic garbage order it and don't think about it

00:58:39.599 --> 00:58:44.640
anymore because my wife will wrap it and

00:58:43.040 --> 00:58:48.160
also you don't have to feel like kind of a weirdo walking into a toy store as a

00:58:46.319 --> 00:58:50.799
grown adult you know like this is for this isn't for me

00:58:50.880 --> 00:58:56.480
this is for my friend this is from my friend this is my friend

00:58:54.000 --> 00:58:59.760
with a pedo stash yeah yeah exactly yeah you had your speedo stash was great but

00:58:58.160 --> 00:59:02.960
i i want to bring it back you should bring back every time i shave i just

00:59:01.440 --> 00:59:06.799
shave the whole thing and forget that i'm like oh yeah i want a stash you got to bring you know what if you want to

00:59:05.359 --> 00:59:10.960
remember just take like a big sharpie and just draw on here and then you'll see it until it grows

00:59:09.520 --> 00:59:14.880
over and it'll look basically the same yeah

00:59:12.960 --> 00:59:19.040
hey it'll remind you i had that for a long time but

00:59:17.280 --> 00:59:23.359
it's it's it's almost mainstream now it's too you know i was a hipster when i

00:59:21.520 --> 00:59:26.799
had it yeah yeah it's like now you see a guy with a mustache you're like oh

00:59:25.280 --> 00:59:35.119
it's just another dude all right so last topic of the day

00:59:30.240 --> 00:59:38.079
this could change memes forever

00:59:35.119 --> 00:59:45.280
pepe the frog's creator oh boy gets legal against the alt-right

00:59:42.880 --> 00:59:49.920
so yes the creator matt fury and his lawyers

00:59:47.839 --> 00:59:53.440
have taken legal action against the alt-right serving cease and desist

00:59:52.079 --> 00:59:58.799
orders to several alt-right personalities and websites including

00:59:55.760 --> 01:00:01.599
richard spencer and mike cernovich

00:59:58.799 --> 01:00:06.799
so spencer uh pepe is all over his site and the mascot for his podcast alt-right

01:00:03.680 --> 01:00:08.720
politics and for cernovich uh he used a

01:00:06.799 --> 01:00:13.200
3d version of pepe dancing with hillary clinton reading aloud sections of her

01:00:10.880 --> 01:00:18.160
new book he's also served a cease and desist against r slash the donald and as

01:00:16.319 --> 01:00:22.720
someone who has tried to contact reddit about the content on their site before

01:00:20.799 --> 01:00:26.240
i can i can say that's probably not going anywhere they're really really

01:00:24.400 --> 01:00:31.520
good at just ignoring they've also issued dmca takedown requests to reddit

01:00:28.960 --> 01:00:36.000
amazon youtube and twitter notifying them that use of pepe by the alt-right

01:00:34.079 --> 01:00:39.760
on their platforms is copyright infringement

01:00:37.520 --> 01:00:43.680
and at the end of august fury's lawyers actually reached a settlement with eric

01:00:41.599 --> 01:00:48.079
hauser who appropriated pepe's image for use in an islamophobic children's book

01:00:46.480 --> 01:00:51.839
so they forced him to stop selling the book and made him donate the profits to

01:00:50.480 --> 01:00:56.079
the council on american islamic relations apparently google play has

01:00:54.079 --> 01:00:58.480
stopped selling build the wall of the game

01:00:58.640 --> 01:01:04.799
because of advertising with special guest appearances from pepe that's right

01:01:02.319 --> 01:01:09.119
previously previously apple had refused to publish

01:01:06.880 --> 01:01:12.880
the game until it removed pepe the frog and apple has a blanket band against

01:01:11.200 --> 01:01:17.280
pepe the frog that it has enforced against multiple app creators this is

01:01:15.359 --> 01:01:23.280
fascinating because it kind of opens up a conversation about who owns memes yes

01:01:21.200 --> 01:01:28.400
like memes have kind of existed as a sort of like oh it's a distributed

01:01:26.000 --> 01:01:32.799
content that kind of arose from the internet sort of organically so it's

01:01:30.960 --> 01:01:38.240
like if you make a meme and it becomes a meme do you own the copyright and and

01:01:35.680 --> 01:01:42.559
the answer until now although i don't to my knowledge this hasn't been like

01:01:40.799 --> 01:01:46.000
seriously a question i think you absolutely do

01:01:44.319 --> 01:01:51.520
right because you created something but like a lot of the time it's derivative but

01:01:49.280 --> 01:01:55.119
not derivative enough you didn't create anything you captioned

01:01:53.119 --> 01:01:59.839
it in a lot of cases right and the caption is often part of the original

01:01:56.640 --> 01:02:03.599
creation and and it has never been

01:01:59.839 --> 01:02:05.440
enforced no to this kind of a degree now

01:02:03.599 --> 01:02:09.440
to be clear it looks like matt fury is only going

01:02:07.760 --> 01:02:13.599
after the alt right here but if he wins

01:02:11.040 --> 01:02:18.400
a bunch of these battles if he wins a battle against reddit imagine he wins

01:02:16.319 --> 01:02:21.280
against reddit there's some there's some problems though if he only goes after

01:02:19.839 --> 01:02:25.920
the alt-right yeah that would mean that he's doing it because he doesn't like how very specific people are using it i

01:02:24.799 --> 01:02:31.200
don't think that's a way that you can defend it also he let it happen for so

01:02:29.599 --> 01:02:35.359
long i think that hurts his case a lot that he probably won't be able to defend

01:02:33.040 --> 01:02:38.880
it anymore because he seemed okay with it i think we've even talked on the lan

01:02:37.200 --> 01:02:42.720
show about how at one point in time he was just like baby the frog is just a

01:02:40.880 --> 01:02:47.040
thing man it was like the most stoned statement i've ever read

01:02:44.799 --> 01:02:50.720
do you remember that quite a while ago but it was like a very

01:02:48.720 --> 01:02:54.799
like everyone just gets to coexist and just pepe the frog's just awesome

01:02:52.640 --> 01:02:59.200
teddy frog is for everyone he's probably taking a bunch of crap for

01:02:56.400 --> 01:03:02.640
it yeah very likely i mean but it's been so long and that statement came out and

01:03:01.280 --> 01:03:08.400
if there's a statement saying sure you can use it he's basically screwed the obvious

01:03:06.000 --> 01:03:13.280
parallel here is to the pewdiepie situation where he yes the firewatch

01:03:10.480 --> 01:03:16.720
developer goes and does a dmca takedown specifically of pewdiepie's firewatch

01:03:15.520 --> 01:03:21.280
content because they didn't agree with how you know with and and

01:03:19.440 --> 01:03:24.559
there's a similar problem there which is probably why you're bringing this up but

01:03:22.880 --> 01:03:29.440
on firewatch's website there's a specific yes you can use this for

01:03:27.520 --> 01:03:32.880
streaming and video creation and you can monetize it

01:03:30.960 --> 01:03:36.400
and like it that one's a little bit more direct the firewatch one is that's

01:03:34.319 --> 01:03:39.680
pretty black and white uh i'm not even 100 sure about the pepe the frog one it

01:03:38.160 --> 01:03:44.480
was from a while ago and i think it was pretty vague anyways yeah but if there's

01:03:41.920 --> 01:03:49.200
a confirm that you can use it like right i mean to be fair

01:03:46.960 --> 01:03:53.039
is is the question whether he's a like he's justified in doing this

01:03:51.200 --> 01:03:56.880
because i think he is yeah i don't think that's the question i think the question

01:03:54.799 --> 01:04:00.000
of whether it's like legally yeah he's justified he'll win i'm talking about

01:03:58.400 --> 01:04:04.240
whether i think he'll win right whether he's justified in doing this is not the

01:04:01.920 --> 01:04:08.559
debate for sure if someone creates an image it belongs to them right and

01:04:06.319 --> 01:04:13.680
people can't use it without permission but what the discussion is is around the

01:04:12.000 --> 01:04:17.760
fact that this has always been this gray area yeah and now we're opening up this

01:04:15.680 --> 01:04:22.640
can of worms that goes okay if people are gonna start defending

01:04:20.480 --> 01:04:25.839
their memes then are we gonna kill memes

01:04:32.160 --> 01:04:39.119
but with glorious applause um i think there will still definitely be

01:04:36.640 --> 01:04:43.920
some yeah yeah we gotta fit it in there yeah um i think there's definitely still

01:04:41.119 --> 01:04:47.599
gonna be some like freeware memes and i bet you there will be like a

01:04:45.200 --> 01:04:53.520
reddit community around like anything posted in here if it is oc has some

01:04:50.720 --> 01:04:56.319
license like the public memeing license where everyone is allowed to use it

01:04:54.799 --> 01:05:01.359
forever and then people are going to start creating memes out of stuff that comes out of there and then memes will

01:04:59.119 --> 01:05:05.839
be saved i think i bet you that will happen if this like goes through i bet

01:05:03.760 --> 01:05:10.640
no no the internet would would rally around memes imager and reddit would get

01:05:08.720 --> 01:05:13.599
behind 4chan too let's not leave that they're all all these big sites they're

01:05:12.559 --> 01:05:20.400
all going to get behind me let's just let's bring back ebom's world while we're at yeah they would save memes too

01:05:17.839 --> 01:05:25.680
why not i mean for this for this to be the death of memes uh it kind of

01:05:22.880 --> 01:05:28.160
requires every meme creator to also do

01:05:27.359 --> 01:05:33.280
to yeah go after copyright for like their memes right so which i don't think yeah

01:05:31.599 --> 01:05:36.880
i don't think that generally people are responsible for creating these kind of

01:05:34.720 --> 01:05:41.920
things i would be a lot more hesitant to use them though if used if anyone had

01:05:39.599 --> 01:05:43.760
one illegal fight ever true

01:05:42.720 --> 01:05:47.359
yeah as an individual i might just yellow it

01:05:45.839 --> 01:05:52.000
but as a business because individually you'd be fine but how does fairy use play into that

01:05:50.319 --> 01:05:57.280
because like if you take a meme and you're like okay i'm going to make a copy of this meme and put your like

01:05:54.799 --> 01:06:00.880
block text caption on it that's not i mean that's technically

01:05:58.960 --> 01:06:04.160
parody it's technically kind of i think you have to actually for commercial use

01:06:02.480 --> 01:06:08.720
it's tough yeah yeah yeah well if it's commercial use i think that's why these

01:06:05.920 --> 01:06:12.559
differences especially when uh there was the exact same font usually on the

01:06:10.880 --> 01:06:15.359
previous one yeah i don't think you'd get away with that yeah right i think

01:06:14.000 --> 01:06:19.680
you'd have to change the core of the image

01:06:17.599 --> 01:06:23.119
all right so that's pretty much it for the lan show for today thank you guys

01:06:21.359 --> 01:06:28.559
for tuning in big thanks to our special guests justine uh stephen and riley you

01:06:26.559 --> 01:06:30.720
can check out uh well i mean you're watching on twitch right now or

01:06:29.760 --> 01:06:35.440
maybe you're not maybe you're watching on youtube if you're watching on youtube we'll have links to uh where you can go

01:06:34.000 --> 01:06:40.480
check those guys out in the video description if you're on twitch google is a really cool website yeah it works

01:06:39.200 --> 01:06:45.280
quite well there's everything on there yeah they got everything on google alright i'm rolling the outro i'm

01:06:43.520 --> 01:06:48.319
rolling the outro i mean they can still hear us you guys are killing me they

01:06:46.720 --> 01:06:52.000
heard you say i'm rolling the outro you guys are killing me wait a minute

01:06:50.480 --> 01:06:55.440
you're killing me here are you alive

01:06:53.920 --> 01:07:02.880
i'm you're killing me i can still be alive what's taking so long am i dead

01:06:58.480 --> 01:07:02.880
am i alive i do not know

01:07:05.680 --> 01:07:10.480
oh my god how long does this outro go