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and we are live welcome to the lan show

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you guys it's got tech news it's got guests it's got everything except some

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kind of a coherent strategy today because i'm going to be totally honest with you guys

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okay one thing first first things first hi justine hi welcome to the show thanks

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for having me yeah it's a it's absolutely my pleasure this is actually

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our first time meeting even though she's been here all day we actually have

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hardly interacted i was like are you sure he's here did i get tricked

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it's like some warehouse that i just showed up to is this how i die

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at the very back of a working complex

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very end okay in my def okay it's busy it's not

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the least sketchy area no it's not it's i mean wait

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it's not the most sketchy area

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it's also not the least sketchy starbucks on the ways i felt at home

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right um so she's here and then we've also got

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steven from gamersnexus and riley slash keys from ncis tech tips because

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luke and i along with our other special guests um i don't know if i'm going to

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bring you guys on the show because you guys are getting plenty of camera time but get on here and kind of say hi oh

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are they being all camera shy oh you guys are so bashable you guys have

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literally had a piece of glass in your face all week

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um do we leave now oh wow look at that

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it's rod take my spot i can't have this shirt on nothing uh yeah yeah it's okay

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yeah it's okay really yeah yeah it's okay it's okay

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it's rod and bob what's up guys did Linus and luke just

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film another week long show with these guys

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why do we keep inviting you here um so our celebrity judges were justine

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stephen and riley and our co-competitors

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were rod and bob stay tuned because tech showdown um it'll be

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i forget what i'm allowed to call them now uh whatever the tech showdown videos

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that are going to be coming soon are going to be totally unlike previous tech

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so um right now it's showing viewers xero

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which usually i have the twitch chat up it's possible we are streaming to no one

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here not pretty much literally that is exactly what happened and uh

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have to bear with me here notification that it's live oh that's good

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yeah yeah yeah we're live there are people watching it's all good okay so

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thanks guys uh so stay tuned for that and why don't we jump into our oh intro

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for the week boop well usually we tease some topics

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oh yeah normally we tease some time whatever we've got crazy guests we don't

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need topics you could sit here and talk about anything

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prepare some of the best shows have no news

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that's true

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right now you know

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all right functionality is a big issue sponsors for the show today

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and let's get started so

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the original article here is from tom's guide i'm going to go ahead and throw

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that up but the word on the street

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is when this click you know works at some

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point it's a word that i'm pretty excited about the iphone 8 is the

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world's fastest phone to go along with

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my world's slowest wi-fi right now

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apparently not even close did you see

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six core processors do you see this coming i uh no but i did see a bunch of

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reviews of people doing speed tests even comparing the eight to the note eight

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which was incredible because the note 8 definitely did lag behind yep yeah like

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specifically if we look at 3d mark the iphone 8 62 08 plus 64 000 note 8 you

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just referenced 39 000. yup i mean it's

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one of those things i i i got a lot of flack from my note 8 review people

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didn't really like it they said i didn't really give it enough credit um but one

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of my key points was not that it was a bad phone at all i said it's a great

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phone it's probably the productivity king if you have any use for the stylus

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whatsoever oh i have it right here actually there you go and i being a huge

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iphone fan too i was quite surprised how much i really like

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this have you watched movies on it um i watch netflix okay so any 21x9 like

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ultra wide screen content it felt a little bit was it wasn't ultra wide but

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it was still it felt a little bit strange because it is a little bit i

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don't know that's rounded yeah i mean that too i'm

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not going to complain because i mean i watch stuff on planes all the time so

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that's where i consume most of my content so i'm like this is a step up from the back of an airplane uh but yeah

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i mean and i think cameras too are something that is what people are mostly

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into most normal person who is going to go get their phone they just want us to

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take incredible photos to share out yeah and you know even getting a chance to

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see it at the apple event i mean in the gold i'm getting so excited

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this is like what i live for but in comparison to the x that's what

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i'm going to be interested to see because the hype around the eight is way

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less than previous years and there were tons of people that were talking about there were no lines

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like usual but i feel like that'll be way different for the actor oh the x is

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going to be a completely different story because and don't take this the wrong way it

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doesn't have to be a derogatory term but that's the one the zombies are lining up

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for yeah i will be there like if i was

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with my undead bells on

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um and and it's just it's it's one of those things where anyway so back to the

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back to the note eight one of my criticisms one of my key criticisms was

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that every previous note had something

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really different really killer about it and i feel like apple

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killed that with the iphone x but they didn't do that with the face right no

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the 8 is the most boring phone of all time it's essentially a 7s can you

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believe they're still using the same shell as the 6

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no which is kind of crazy i mean they tried to get away with it by saying it's

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the glass back which it does look really good like i like that look that's going

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back to like the iphone 4 when they first introduced that which was i

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love it before i still have an iphone 4 actually on my nightstand it's a great

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look you ipod it right basically uh yeah yeah yeah i just use it when i need like

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if i'm going to somewhere where like i might get mugged or whatever

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and i but i want a phone i just take my iphone 4. people are like give me your

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phone and be like sure well clearly you don't have much love

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for it if you're going to give it up in the street well come on it's worth less

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than my life i'll say that much to add some more stats to this before we

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keep on going uh in geekbench 4 the iphone 8 was 54 faster than the galaxy

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note 8 and in just four percent 54 and

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just in standard media encoding uh i don't remember exactly what was it was a

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two minute 4k video yeah encoded the iphone 8 finished in 42 seconds the note

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8 took more than three minutes and the galaxy s8 plus took more than four

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minutes so what that tells us is two things number one is that the iphone 8

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is hella fast and number two is that

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they are actually walking the walk when it comes to

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GPU computing and CPU computing and marrying them together yeah because AMD

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has been talking about that since the acquisition of ati back in

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what was it steven would know this was it 2008 what uh ati acquisition yeah

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that's all right yeah so whatever about 10 years ago

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since then AMD has been talking about how the GPU is going to be this

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fundament fusion they called it you were not going to be able to tell the

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difference between a CPU doing something in a GPU doing something you were just

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going to click go on a web page or you were going to

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click encode on a video or a warp

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stabilize in a in a video editing application

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and it was just going to use whichever one it used or some mixture of the two

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CPU cores and programmers were going to get into it and it never happened but

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this is one of those infuriating things for the non-apple folks out there

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where apple takes an idea that everybody else has been talking about for all this

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freaking time and then actually does it and that's

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classic i mean you know being a huge apple fan i

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think i get so much crap from the rest of you guys which you know i i

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and for fair for fair reasons

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but you know i mean what apple is good at is taking all the things that everyone has been doing really really

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well and then they make it a widespread thing for everyone to enjoy and easy to

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use like during the apple event there's a few things i know wireless charging

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was one of them for me where i was like thank god they're doing it fine i don't

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know everyone will do it exactly finally and i'm i was so afraid

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that just completely unnecessarily they were going to make it some other they

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were going to make it proprietary me too i was like no i was

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i was sure of it but you know what i think we actually do

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have like lackluster but present adoption of

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the technology broadly enough i think we have that to

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thank for apple kind of going okay this has enough momentum now that we don't

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need to absolutely break all the things for no apparent reason yeah and i

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thought they might have switched to usbc for the x but they didn't i was hoping

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that they would i was kind of hoping that they would as well um and i was

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really hoping like a lot of devices have a type c port but if you go and transfer

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photos off of them they're actually running at usb 2 speeds and i know that

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apple actually did have a usb 3 lightning connector on the ipad pro as

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of i believe the first gen um so i'll be interested to see if the lightning

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connector on the x is at least usb 3. that would be sick

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i just noticed you called it the x um

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sorry it's 10 i know and i do that because i use final cut x which is also

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final cut 10. right and i've been calling it that since the beginning so

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it's i'm so sorry but then apple's thing is like os x is not osx it's os 10. so

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so there they have a long enough history of x's 10 that we're just supposed to

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ignore that all the other phones are called 7 and not vii well where did the

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iphone 9 go yeah that i have a theory

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i think the iphone 9 is coming next september that's actually a brilliant

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idea that i didn't even think about so the iphone 9 is coming and it's going to

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still be the like step down it's going to be like the the new se

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and then the x 2 or the 11 or whatever

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whatever they end up going with in terms of this series naming or the x mark ii

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you know what that i hear again tinfoil hat i think they're just going to call

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it the iphone 10 again next year i think they're just going to call it the same

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thing because they've done it with every other bloody product line if they actually add like mark ii that's kind of

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cool but they don't yeah i know that's the issue you said mark two and i was

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like that's pretty late 2018. no the naming connections

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are a little bit off i mean technically the the eight should be a 7s but i mean

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if i'm not mistaken i believe it's the same a11 chip that is also in the eight

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and the x is that correct i believe so yeah yeah so

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i don't know i mean they're still sharing a lot of that same technology and i think it's going to be like do you

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want facial recognition and do you want to give up that touch id button i don't

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want to give up touch id i love touch id i don't think my parents would either so

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i feel like it's there's a different kind of generation gap and i don't know

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it's going to be interesting to see when the x comes out with what people kind of

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gravitate towards i think that's part of the reason we didn't get a new shell for

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the eight is that now it's the value phone yeah yeah yeah in the in much the

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same way that like you um you know if you buy an se it's that

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iphone 5 shell yeah so the value phone

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is like like it's one of those things where

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apple it's status it's a status symbol where if you get

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the jet black one everyone knows you're a mega baller and bought the top of the

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line and then you put a case on it this is

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terrible but in much the same way you don't even

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know there's no way you could even tell it's unless you look i think apple wants

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people who buy an eight to feel like last gen chumps

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a little bit for at a glance for it to not look any different for

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sure yeah i mean because they even rotated the camera right no that's on

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the x the x has the rotated camera yeah that's what i'm saying yeah so it's like

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extremely recognizably different yes it's really i don't think that was for a

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reason it could have been yeah i'm not actually sure that'd be

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interesting to see i'd like to see like an ifixit tear down or something so

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it's killer fast which really surprised me

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because apple stubbornly stuck to two core designs for the longest time when

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the entire rest of the industry was going like

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no put all the cores into the phones even though historically it hasn't made

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a huge difference to performance in the applications that most people are using

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but if i had to guess i would say this uh this this utilization of both CPU and

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GPU and this addition of multiple cores is really apple's way of saying okay

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look we think that people are going to need all these course for the kinds of

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workloads that are coming to phones in the near future and if it's if it's

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apple they're pretty good at predicting that now i had people approach me out of

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the blue and say can you believe so much of the keynote was about this stupid

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like facial emoji thing oh that it well they spent a lot of time on the watch

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which okay yeah because who cares about the watch

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no offense okay but to be fair to okay listen

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you you will have your entire you don't even need to have your phone like you can

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have lte on your wrist granted the battery life is not very good i think there you might

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have talk time of like an hour but the fact that you don't need your phone you

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can literally do okay don't i don't wanna don't don't you don't

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don't i'll stand up you're gonna be out of the frame

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i don't care i mean i don't think it's for everybody but i think that that is somewhat

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revolutionary in the fact that you really don't need this i don't need

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anything i can go for a walk i don't and you can go for a walk but don't go far

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don't go far yeah yeah sorry brandon it's because justine's a little bit

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further back here if you if you if you scooch up then we're good

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there we go and we're getting rowdy and like don't you start doing watch us

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look we're talking about the watch the watch it has the potential okay i

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have a mark zero or whatever i have the original one and my issue with it is that it's a

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development kit it is not a finished product it is a showcase of what they

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want the apple watch to do with a piss-poor battery and no ability to have

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the actual time showing all the time

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well at least i know what time it is it sometimes takes a little while yeah but

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i and i do think that of course this is going to be the first gen of lte

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so i mean the joke in my review is that it works great if you're sitting there

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and if you don't mind whoever you're with to know that you're like

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yeah yo what time it is but like okay imagine this like so in my review i

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bring up like what if you're in the middle of an awkward sexual encounter you're on your back you know you want to

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know what time it is it literally doesn't work well you can't find out who

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you're talking you can't find out when it's going to be over i mean like i love my apple watch

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but does it have the red dot on it because if not it's not lte and i need

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to leave and is it ceramic i need to know

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no i think i think it makes a little bit more sense maybe in the states because

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you guys can get companion sims fairly easily i don't think it's coming up here

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is it it's not yet really okay and i think in europe it's less common too so

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so if i came here i actually wouldn't be able to use it so

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let's talk about the bump okay so last last apple topic for now but let's talk

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about the bump on the watch then um they made a big song and dance about how

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they used the same frame with all the new tech packages two pieces of paper thicker

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at the crystal okay where's the end point of that are they

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just going to keep are they just going to keep doing this and just keep making the bump bigger but i honestly i looked

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at it and if and then i put it on and i could not tell the difference i mean you

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were like two pieces of paper what it seems like it would be very hard to

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notice you would not be able to notice because you already can feel this when it's on your wrist but yeah yeah you're

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not the two pieces of paper you're fine yeah but if you want to find some more

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reasons to hate it oh oh that's no we don't have time for

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that that's pretty uh that's pretty easy for me to do

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uh hold on a second um

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let me just see if there's anything else interesting in here

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yeah oh no i don't like it oh okay this is

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off macrumors.com i have some bad news were you did you know this yet

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i mean we've kind of all been assuming it since they announced it

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iphone 10 production faces further delays we'll start in mid-october

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okay i've got two questions for you do you think apparently final production

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of the iphone 10 has yet to even start

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okay i mean pre-orders are starting the

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third or 27th wait pre-orders are the third and it's supposed to ship the 27th

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so if you had to guess what do you think it is

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what's the supply chain issue yeah hmm

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do you think okay do you think it's that they can't get enough or do you think

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it's that they need too much i guess it's sort of two different ways of

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looking at it so they i mean realistically they obviously made one

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they had it on the stage like they may have been waiting though to see how the

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eight did you think so potentially i mean because it's the screen

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you think it's the screen are they getting the screen from samsung yeah so they could also be limiting the display

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i need to i don't know if there's not a ton of room yeah i know well no don't scoot over more because you're going to

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go into yeah then you'll be in there i'll stay on the edge look we aren't set

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up for guests very well we we're like this mic is in like a terrible position

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there's a way better way to do this setup and i have not been approved yet

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to fix it you haven't no i asked you two and you're like that's way too expensive

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it's way too expensive it's like four of a hundred four five hundred bucks yeah i

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know we're not should we start a gofundme yeah

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that's the answer to any stupid thing you can also just take this mic and like

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probably get Jake to 3d print something yeah that would probably work that would

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probably work yeah well there's also some people that were talking about they weren't 100 sure if the facial

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recognition was ready so it could also be a software thing that might have been

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a response yeah to what happened on stage but what happened on stage was

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that phone had been restarted and anytime you have to restart it you have to add the pin yeah um so that was that

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was not a facial recognition wow someone's pissed about that yeah so i

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mean it could be a combination of software not ready and also supply

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demand for the screens which is very realistic yeah this article also covered

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that the iphone 8 is not getting as much interest from customers as previous

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smartphones launched this fall and suggest that there could be many apple

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fans holding out for the iphone 10. yeah really yeah wow

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or you just get the eight and then get the ten and then you know and just keep

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them commit you they're like you have a problem you don't yeah and then you'll just you could just you could just rub

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them on your body every day well that was the surprise try to absorb the

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appleness because my sister today she's like should i go buy a phone i was like oh you're never gonna get one she's like

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well walked into best buy i got one and just i was like well that was easy so

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i'm not sure right the supply i mean people like are still getting them same

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day the lines weren't very long but the pre-orders was very smooth and normally

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all of the apple pre-orders is a disaster so maybe things just worked well for the pre-orders it is a

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it is a real departure from standard

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apple operating procedure for them to roll out a slide that basically says

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it's everything you love about the iphone 7 but better

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for for the iphone 8. yeah nothing they

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didn't say magical they didn't say revolutionary they didn't say

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because it's not though so but usually they find a way to make it seem like

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that that's true they use plastic so it's unapologetic but they were saving

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that for the x 10 10. i guess so but it's just like they still need to sell

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iphone 8s yeah i bet they probably won't have that

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much of an issue yeah probably not probably not and

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they'll be able to slow sell them over time so they'll move them eventually yeah

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all right so our next topic um thank you and thank you i'll talk to you soon yes

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right in steven's wheelhouse so get on in here

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all right this is fun how's it going

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pretty good do you want to introduce yourself uh sure i'm steve from cameras nexus i

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think that pretty much wraps it up

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we do technical hardware reviews and analysis all right speaking of technical hardware

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reviews and analysis for a quick second we've referenced

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steve and gamer's nexus quite a few times on WAN Show if you've heard us talk about things like the Noctua color

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controversy and a few other things you guys followed up yeah that one was

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interesting yeah so if you guys want to see stuff like that one thing that i

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really like on your guys's channel is how you'll dive into like how something

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was made yeah and kind of sometimes rip

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accompany a new one a little bit but yeah a little we yeah yeah

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like it it's a fine line to walk right yeah yeah

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yeah but i i like the attention of detail anyways well liked by consumers

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you get a mixed reaction on the other side of things if you mention uh gamer's

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nexus so rumored coffee lake pricing okay so okay

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now i don't know how much you know or don't

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know and you don't know how much i know or don't know about coffee lake so all

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we can go based on is what we are reading off of this page in front of us

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which is copied off of pchub online dot

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okay so this is what we're going on this is all the information that we have but

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there is some good information in here so it tells us how many cores it's

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rumored to have uh what the TDP it's rumored to be will be but tells us the

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rumor TDP tells us rumored cash tells us socket

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rumored and it tells us clock speed rumors as well

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so apparently the core i7 8700k might

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end up landing about 400 as a rumored to be six core 12 thread

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processor at 3.7 to 4.7 gigahertz and um

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whatever 95 watt TDP is that too high

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does that kill it is that usd that's a conversion to usd now

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that's so here's the thing we were talking with our patreon backers a little bit about

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this the problem i have with this see that guy just dropped the patreon plug in

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there that's not what that is

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i've been watching you a while man

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you got that in there right at the beginning too so this guy's seen a

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youtube retention graph so yeah talk to them and the thing is

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it is evolution for Intel to go to 6 and 12 right that's definitely a movement

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but if you're moving in that direction and then sticking a similar price on it

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to what you had on previous high-end i7s well like the low end of

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the hedt cpus i don't it doesn't it's not really that

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much of an evolution so does this seem that's the price does this smell like uh

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if that pricing is correct which i don't know if it is but if it is does this

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smell a little bit like 6950x yeah well so here's the two more cores

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yeah oh by the way it costs 700 more

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than the eight core we had last gen oh by the way there's an eight core

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and enjoy one thing i can say about price because

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i've said this before we had a

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an undisclosed manufacturer talk to us not long ago about pricing targets and i

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was told ten to twenty more than the existing i7

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there okay there it's disruptive right there it's potentially a rising

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clobberer i mean you have you got this word right

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on your shirt here gamers right would gamers have a reason to buy a ryzen

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processor if the 8700k is 10 20 bucks

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more than a 7700k there's you know there's a whole lot of caveats in that

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question how does it overclock it is the platform stable but let's assume

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it's a it's a reasonably well thought out Intel launch let's assume turbo

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boost up to 4.7 works as expected

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let's assume that everything is goes well

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should you even buy a ryzen if you only play games and you're

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looking at spending about the same amount of money then probably not

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if it's a hundred dollars more than an r7 1700

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and you do things like actual content creation that is CPU

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accelerated not just GPU accelerated yeah then you should definitely be

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looking at ryzen so uh i i think it comes down to a lot of

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things you know there are a lot of people with the ryzen launch where

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people who are content creators are realizing

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there's so much performance i've left on the table yep and they can really

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accelerate it now and people who aren't content creators but want to see AMD

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succeed yeah are saying i can multitask but there's a difference between

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having twitch and your music open and playing a game yeah and

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actual like what you do or what we do production yeah so

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it depends like at 408 dollars i think that's a little

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too much now the chart also has some expected pricing

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for other processors and it has the um

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it has the 8600k so that's the rumored six core six thread at 286.

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so we could be seeing this particular listing inflated on the i7 because

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that's the most popular we know from our amazon sales affiliate link stuff

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we know it's by far Intel's most popular channel processor anyway

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um but if we're looking at let's say the price gap is more like 100 which is what

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it normally is so let's say that one is more like

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you know 380 something at 286 again the gamer

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question and the rumor is that the 8400

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will also be a six core part

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i mean that according to previous

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asterisk 400 parts should be like a 235

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to 45 dollar part yeah and again it's

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not really it's not a linear evolution if the price increases yes

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it moves the bar so currently i5s and we said this in our

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review of the r5s there's not a lot of reason to buy an i5

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right now the i7 still holds on really well yep but you look at r5s and there's

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there's actual gains there there's gains in frame times and specific games

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where you don't really get that change with an i7 because already got all the threads

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so yeah i mean i

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i would need to see i5s stay the same price if they're increasing core count

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or come down with the current core count to be

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viable to me still i think part of the issue here and it's not gonna make up

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like a hundred and fifty dollars but part of the issue here is that we're

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going for another currency and converting back to usd and it's not just

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dollar conversion there's different pricings in different

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so they could be trying to they could be trying to convince stupid

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customers to pre-order based on this pricing that will actually drop on

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launch day once availability is real and pricing is real and everyone gets their

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listings up yeah um some include like vat and stuff too yeah

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yeah so this yeah this could have like 90 included so so we'll take it we'll take it for

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what it is a rumor based on incomplete

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data at best and i would say to add some value to the rumor like my look at it is

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if it is 400 to 410 for the i7 that's kind of too much it might be a good

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performer yeah but that's more than i want to see if it's like 10 to 20 more

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than the current i7s that falls in line with Intel's current price creep where

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every generation they've very slowly increased it dollars at a time yeah so

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that's that's kind of they really do play a long game don't they do man yeah

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it's like sometimes you look at what they're doing you go

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but then other times you look at what they're doing you go yeah

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um speaking of rumors with not a ton of credibility this one's from wccf tech

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oh apparently this came out of eurocom

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um it is rumored and this is again this is very early rumors that the upcoming

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10 nanometer ice lake will bump the core count from six to

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eight and then the thread count from 12 to 16

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to match AMD's ryzen 7 and that'll be second half of 2018 so the timing sounds

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right because Intel does refresh every year even if they don't really have

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anything to show us can you um i you or i could have guessed that

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though they're gonna have a processor next year yeah but i wouldn't have i

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actually wouldn't have guessed they'd go eight core i would have said they might not bother

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well i was kind of expecting eight core for coffee lake so

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yeah yeah because i don't know like it takes a while to make a CPU so it's not

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like coffee like is a response to ryzen

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specifically as a piece of silicon there might be marketing attached to it that

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is but yeah there might be pricing attached that is right like we might have seen a six core

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coffee lake as like a 449 mainstream

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processor to blur the lines even further

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right yes i don't know i don't really know much about isolate i don't know anything

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officially and i haven't followed rumors yeah well i think it's pretty damn early

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don't the rumors get overwhelming at a point i try to stay away from them right and

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we're so flung out like that's something i've been saying about wayne show we've

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been covering rumors of the same AMD farts for like

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over half a year like i think we're like nine months in now man okay tin foil hat

441
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:19,919
damn AMD rumors

442
00:30:16,559 --> 00:30:22,480
are they actually leaks or are they buzz

443
00:30:19,919 --> 00:30:27,520
generation created intentionally by AMD

444
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:30,080
or a company associated with it by AMD

445
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:34,640
or a company associated with them and there's two facets to the answer if

446
00:30:32,559 --> 00:30:39,279
you think it's people at AMD do you think it is sanctioned or do you think

447
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:44,880
it is like guerrilla guerrilla marketing from people at AMD

448
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:48,240
who like think they have hot [ __ ] and most people know about it they have

449
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:51,679
their own gorilla marketing from uh red team plus is that it yeah yeah

450
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:56,480
that's i mean that kind of fills that role already i don't know like i've only

451
00:30:54,399 --> 00:31:00,480
ever had one person approach me and say here's some

452
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:05,520
leaked information like that's happened one time

453
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:10,640
uh and it wasn't really anything to work with like it was it was clearly a

454
00:31:08,159 --> 00:31:15,120
please post this we need something yeah so it wasn't like our ihs's are soldered

455
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:19,120
right but it wasn't from a big three like major engineering

456
00:31:17,919 --> 00:31:23,840
company so i don't i like there's so i don't

457
00:31:21,679 --> 00:31:28,080
think they would need to manufacture rumors it seems like the community kind

458
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:31,120
of does that well enough so

459
00:31:28,799 --> 00:31:35,600
i don't know all right fair enough so my theory is that it's gorilla

460
00:31:33,279 --> 00:31:40,399
because i mean if you've spent any time in taiwan or around taiwanese people

461
00:31:38,159 --> 00:31:46,480
working in taiwanese companies you'll know that the the way the industry is

462
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:49,120
inbred is actually unfathomable from the

463
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:53,279
outside like the way people flit around from company to company sometimes even

464
00:31:51,039 --> 00:31:56,480
landing back at the same one multiple times

465
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:59,200
everybody knows everybody

466
00:31:57,919 --> 00:32:06,000
and taiwan is a small place

467
00:32:02,799 --> 00:32:07,440
literally yeah a small place

468
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:11,919
and the thing about it is that even if you look at companies like well you could you could kind of go well AMD's

469
00:32:10,159 --> 00:32:15,760
not headquartered in taiwan now there's Intel

470
00:32:13,279 --> 00:32:19,279
sure but you got to understand if you want to build a motherboard for a secret

471
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:25,519
you're working with people in taiwan and china and probably hong kong there's people in

472
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:27,440
taiwan who have spec sheets for ice lake

473
00:32:25,519 --> 00:32:31,039
based on what Intel is expecting like now like they're thinking about it

474
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:37,519
they're working people who make retention the the actual like socket retention kit

475
00:32:35,039 --> 00:32:40,399
probably already know or will soon yep yeah

476
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:44,080
so yeah i mean and and you would think that loyalty or

477
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:49,360
uh legal uh like action ability at that level is

478
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:51,600
so far removed that it'd be easier to leak something

479
00:32:50,799 --> 00:32:57,760
yep yeah rather than getting legal to sign off on something right i mean we've had

480
00:32:55,360 --> 00:33:02,640
like i've had really frank conversations with uh okay i'll say with a big three

481
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:06,399
company that i criticized recently i'll say that so one of them so

482
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:10,720
one of them um

483
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:17,440
and the conversation went look you guys have an opportunity right now to turn

484
00:33:13,279 --> 00:33:19,600
this criticism into a huge pr win

485
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:22,880
all you have to do is come on stream with me

486
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:26,559
and talk about it talk about how

487
00:33:25,039 --> 00:33:30,799
you did something maybe not wrong but not

488
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:36,000
in the consumer's best interests hide from questions and say sorry

489
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:39,760
and commit to do better that's what you have to do you can take this thing that

490
00:33:37,519 --> 00:33:43,200
we can hopefully both agree if we both live on planet earth and drink the same

491
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:48,960
water and eat the same food and live in the same reality that we can both agree

492
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,960
happened that's questionable

493
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:55,279
and you guys can just take it head on

494
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:59,760
and the email thread is actually quite long like it's a couple dozen replies

495
00:33:57,919 --> 00:34:03,200
and there was a conference call that did take place where we talked about it and

496
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:08,320
then it went dead so i got killed by a sea

497
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:10,800
level or a vp level or legal

498
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:15,599
and we're just not going to talk about it apparently that happens a lot with legal i found

499
00:34:13,839 --> 00:34:20,960
yeah like going to for example a recent example

500
00:34:18,240 --> 00:34:25,200
the statement on vega pricing and being exceptionally ambiguous right

501
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:29,679
there was a reason for that and it's a legal reason really so well yeah but not

502
00:34:27,839 --> 00:34:34,720
like we're going to get probably bound to it yeah like a certain degree a

503
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:39,200
preemptive typical like legal being overly concerned about specific phrasing

504
00:34:37,919 --> 00:34:42,800
yeah and that kills a lot of conversations yeah yeah

505
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:47,440
it's really fun which is unfortunate because like if you got people on this

506
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:53,599
either any kind of corporate representative to actually answer harder questions

507
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:58,800
whether or not the the answer is actually good yeah that'd still be a big

508
00:34:56,079 --> 00:35:03,599
thing yeah that's unfortunate okay last topic that uh that i think

509
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:06,079
should be a pretty good one for you um actually do you prefer this one or do

510
00:35:04,720 --> 00:35:10,240
you want to find something else what's the other one uh hold on hold on i got

511
00:35:08,720 --> 00:35:14,400
this i got this um this one

512
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:18,720
that's kind of interesting okay we're running a website so this was posted by

513
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:20,880
good bytes on the forum don't worry i know

514
00:35:22,079 --> 00:35:28,480
uh but basically in a nutshell thanks to javascript which

515
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:33,280
is not to be confused with java the programming language the pirate bay

516
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:38,000
website has put code in their site that turns visiting computers into mining

517
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:43,359
machines for cryptocurrency without the user knowing so your CPU fan is just

518
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:46,640
going to like ramp up visitors visitors of the site are completely unaware of

519
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:50,640
the activity other than if you open up task manager

520
00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:54,720
you'll see that your CPU is spiking to really high load maybe even reaching 100

521
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:58,480
and you may notice that your system is going to be a little bit less responsive

522
00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:01,760
if you're quite familiar with how it's supposed to be running

523
00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:07,839
so pirate bay not run by super ethical people so

524
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:11,760
regardless of what we say about the validity of this i think they're

525
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:15,440
going to keep doing it but your thoughts

526
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:20,800
so as i understand it after this was discovered yep they said it was a

527
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:24,640
24-hour trial yes here i got a quote you want to quote yeah the minor is being

528
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:29,040
tested for a short period approximately 24 hours as a new way to generate

529
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:33,520
revenue so they didn't mince any words no yeah they don't care

530
00:36:31,119 --> 00:36:38,240
from from like i i will say that in a sort of

531
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:42,400
malicious way it is it's absolutely brilliant

532
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:48,240
to try and make money without being found out but it's so it's so wrong it's

533
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:52,000
like yeah it's it's clever but just like how the word great can be

534
00:36:50,079 --> 00:36:56,880
used for evil yeah but i mean great idea the the thing with

535
00:36:54,720 --> 00:37:00,400
that particular cleverness is that when you are found out and they

536
00:36:59,359 --> 00:37:05,280
were it's pretty bad

537
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:09,280
you're like really digging into high it's generating more

538
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:13,680
power consumption yeah i don't think they care here's a question for you

539
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:18,000
though if you're still a pirate bay user at

540
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:23,760
this point like i don't follow the piracy scene as

541
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:29,839
closely as i once did it is no secret that i had a pirated copy of far cry

542
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:34,880
i definitely did part of the issue was that my disc one

543
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:38,160
didn't work anymore okay but there were definitely other games i didn't have a

544
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:43,280
broken disc one for let's put it that way okay

545
00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:45,040
but even i know that with all the issues

546
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:49,440
they've gone through with some of the changes in terms of the personnel

547
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:54,800
running it oh yeah pirate bay is not pirate bay and i wouldn't be over there

548
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:56,640
using it so in my mind if you're still

549
00:37:54,800 --> 00:38:00,640
using pirate bay are you even gonna notice the CPU spike

550
00:37:58,720 --> 00:38:05,839
right are you gonna know of an alternative are you just stuck with it

551
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:10,960
yeah i if you're using it at this point i guess you're either very loyal or don't know a

552
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:15,680
better option loyal to what a logo

553
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:19,280
loyal to i know this i i like what i can get from here and i haven't looked

554
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:22,880
elsewhere i like any other brand loyalty you were

555
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:29,280
talking about apple a few minutes ago yeah i was talking about that same thing

556
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:30,880
this uh coin hine coin hive javascript

557
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:33,839
miner has definitely been used before we've talked about a similar story i

558
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:38,480
don't remember i don't remember what website i don't think it was a site at this kind of scale though no i i don't

559
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:43,599
even remember what it was like it might have been i feel like it had something to do with minecraft or

560
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:48,560
i don't know but like it's been used before for sure like here i'm bringing

561
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:52,880
up is it dot org these days i i don't know i can't remember but okay so bring

562
00:38:50,640 --> 00:39:00,400
it up on alexa which is an inherently flawed yeah data collection method

563
00:38:56,720 --> 00:39:04,400
apparently they're like in the top 100

564
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:06,880
sites wow yeah global rank 89.

565
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:10,800
okay if you check uh trafficestimate.com or quantcast you'll get a pretty

566
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:15,359
accurate picture yeah okay so let's throw let's throw it over

567
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:19,839
there as well um thepiratebay.org

568
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:23,599
isn't it.see um

569
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:28,400
yeah probably changes holy crap uh estimated monthly traffic visits um in

570
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:32,400
the 70 million

571
00:39:31,119 --> 00:39:37,760
range per month that's bigger than uh

572
00:39:35,839 --> 00:39:40,720
anandtech when it was like at its peak it was about 40 million well it's

573
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:44,240
somewhere around there but they were at 40 million page views for per month for

574
00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:49,040
a while wow like just to give you a sense of scale

575
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:51,359
this also has it at an alexa rank of 136

576
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:55,520
so like i don't know how up to date any of this data is the point is

577
00:39:53,359 --> 00:40:00,560
it's a big site and if you were hitting like let's say

578
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:06,079
half of the people noticed if you were hitting 25 30 million machines

579
00:40:04,079 --> 00:40:11,760
for and and it runs as long as the tab is open somewhere in your browser

580
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:13,680
for even a few hours a day

581
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:15,599
even for that 24-hour period that's pretty good

582
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:20,320
yeah hit a couple million systems

583
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:24,480
yeah and you just go to sleep and wake up with well it's like it's basically

584
00:40:22,079 --> 00:40:30,640
they built a botnet to mine but they don't even have to install malware on

585
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:33,839
unless you yeah right right

586
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:38,160
so it's like brilliant in that way but it's also like supremely dickish

587
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:45,200
you're in that community so like i don't know

588
00:40:42,720 --> 00:40:49,760
is okay last last discussion point around this are you getting your just

589
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:53,599
desserts for pirating i don't know that i have a comment on

590
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:57,119
that yeah are you sure you're not go come on it's a land show no one holds it

591
00:40:55,599 --> 00:41:00,319
anything you say i don't think it's i don't think it's necessarily just

592
00:40:59,119 --> 00:41:04,640
because i think it would have to be in a different direction i think justice

593
00:41:02,240 --> 00:41:08,400
relies on a fair trial blah blah blah so yeah

594
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:12,640
yeah exactly i think it's like you're in like the the under city and you're

595
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:16,560
trying to pickpocket something and someone's in your pocket too and

596
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:20,400
things are just happening so you're painting the pirate

597
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:25,520
as the downtrodden like no no no like like uh you know like

598
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:30,640
the the jedis go down to the undercity do some shady stuff sometimes too

599
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:34,640
sometimes good people go down there i'm having a hard time following your

600
00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:39,040
analogy i think so i there are if you go to like the shady

601
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:42,640
part of town to buy some like lifted item

602
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:46,319
and something bad happens to you while you're there like you didn't ask for it

603
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:49,920
to happen but like nope you also could have avoided it you

604
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:53,680
probably could have avoided it but then then now we can bring up the sony root

605
00:41:51,599 --> 00:41:58,319
kit thing could you have avoided it by going to

606
00:41:56,079 --> 00:42:02,480
the shiny store that's well lit on the mains but then i feel like i'm buying it

607
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:07,280
then i feel bad but also from the

608
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:11,599
i don't i think there are there are valid uses for torrents for one yep

609
00:42:09,839 --> 00:42:16,640
they're not as widespread probably at least not publicly known uh so there's

610
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:20,960
valid reasons to use them uh there are people who are visiting the site we've

611
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:24,960
we've used touring mm-hmm we've distributed files yeah patching

612
00:42:23,119 --> 00:42:28,240
games especially way back in the day i know i think it was eve client the best

613
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:35,440
way to download it for a long time blizzard blizzard couldn't possibly have afforded dedicated servers in the early

614
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,440
days of wow you know

615
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:42,880
with all that starcraft money yeah with all that wow money you could turn off

616
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:46,480
the peer-to-peer downloading okay so sorry go ahead you were going to say something and then you were kind of

617
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:50,079
letting us talk over you so that you could avoid it so i'm not i'm not not

618
00:42:48,079 --> 00:42:53,119
letting that happen again i wasn't trying to avoid it i think

619
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:56,160
uh there are you people may be visiting the site for

620
00:42:54,720 --> 00:43:00,400
reasons that are not that don't involve torrenting or

621
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:03,680
stealing software i see yeah what if what if i'm researching a story

622
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:09,280
right and i go there and i'm a fan i feel really bad for the four people that that

623
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:14,880
affects yeah me too those are you talking about far

624
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:20,560
whenever star wars battlefront 2 came out more than a decade ago i had the disc it

625
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:25,119
didn't work because it had whatever security crap on it and so i had to

626
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:29,040
download the game but i had a valid serial number so to me that was a

627
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:32,400
justified use absolutely because i paid for it sure should work especially if

628
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:35,040
you put in the serial number like yeah yeah yeah that's that's i don't yeah

629
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:40,880
that's not even so i i don't know that it's as simple as

630
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:44,079
an eye for an eye in this instance no no it's not so so the collateral damage

631
00:43:43,119 --> 00:43:48,319
argument the fact that it is not just if it is

632
00:43:47,359 --> 00:43:55,760
not you know if there's no justice system yeah um so okay we're in agreement then

633
00:43:53,119 --> 00:44:00,400
they're gigantic dicks right okay cool um speaking of gigantic

634
00:43:58,319 --> 00:44:03,440
dicks uh riley please come join us

635
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:10,400
well i could have meant that you're really well endowed i didn't that's true

636
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:14,960
thank you so much Linus that's so nice such a nice thing to say

637
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:18,400
such an awkward thing to say um so

638
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:23,440
we're going to introduce yourself hi i'm riley i'm from a channel called ncix

639
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:28,079
tech tips apparently not you've probably never heard of it uh Linus but

640
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:31,040
we make we make videos about computers sort of like you but

641
00:44:31,359 --> 00:44:37,839
sort of in the style of Linus but he's gone now yeah yeah

642
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,839
mentally

643
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:45,520
i feel like when you have kids you'll understand

644
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:50,720
yeah no i'm going to be calling you up for advice yeah my advice

645
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:53,599
just get the operation now okay i'm just kidding i love my kids they're wonderful

646
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:57,599
if my kids are ever watching this and then no i already told you advice

647
00:44:56,000 --> 00:45:01,520
this is gonna this is gonna end up being like one of those things where you you

648
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:04,319
say look like i'm not saying you know hitler was

649
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:08,160
you know what i didn't say it i didn't say it see but where people take the

650
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:11,760
clip right yeah they take it asking for it oh you

651
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:16,319
know what actually i'm going to kick you off for a second because i'm sure you want nothing to do with our like

652
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:18,640
sponsors yeah okay see you later sorry you'll be back you'll be back in a

653
00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:23,760
second i promise i'll bring you back i didn't just bring you in for that

654
00:45:22,240 --> 00:45:28,640
right in front of the camera right in front of the camera brilliant um like he

655
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656
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659
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715
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716
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so how many times do you think i've shown your audience your nipples at this point

717
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actually very well okay because i feel like i think he's gone out of his way

718
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:09,119
yeah like a number of times he's like oh here oh i can show my nipples here yeah

719
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:12,640
they're okay nipples i mean they're not like no they're not

720
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like really disgusting or anything so yeah i'm not they're fine i've never

721
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even one of our one of our first recruitment videos like yeah i'm just gonna wear my boxers yeah that's it like

722
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i wrote that portion of the video where ed comes out with a laptop and he's he's

723
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just like okay Linus are you ready for the shoot that and i'm just like in my

724
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boxers with sunglasses on holding like two mp5s yeah and he's just like no no

725
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no no no and i'm just like what what that seems like that seems like an ivan

726
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:43,440
move yeah mp5 so we were just trying to have something so weird that they used

727
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to work together yeah but now it's due again wow it's so

728
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interesting oh my goodness we would have seen that coming so similar sense of humor let's jump

729
00:50:51,119 --> 00:50:59,359
right into this have you had a look at this have you seen this you heard about this google buys htc but it's a little

730
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:03,680
more complicated than that so the original article here is from Android

731
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:07,359
central 1.1 billion basically for the right to hire people

732
00:51:06,079 --> 00:51:11,680
you know i don't know i feel like they they they

733
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:15,119
they what who do they hire motorola before they well they bought them

734
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:18,880
motorola yeah and then flipped them to them they flipped them over so i feel

735
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:22,400
like maybe they were like okay we tried buying a phone company before and it

736
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:26,160
didn't work out well maybe the issue was that they bought motorola

737
00:51:24,240 --> 00:51:30,720
who hadn't done anything relevant i mean okay lots of patents

738
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:35,359
but okay so this is at it

739
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:37,440
it affects apparently about 2 000 employees the reason why i'm stuttering

740
00:51:36,720 --> 00:51:43,920
is this deal is to be able to hire them at

741
00:51:40,319 --> 00:51:46,880
a cost of about 550 000 per employee

742
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:51,319
these are some primo employees yeah they are the best employees

743
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:56,400
you've never seen employees like this

744
00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:03,520
trust me now to be clear this also gives them a non-exclusive license to htc's

745
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:09,359
intellectual property now i suspect if i had to guess based on

746
00:52:06,720 --> 00:52:14,000
that htc's non-exclusive is fine because

747
00:52:11,839 --> 00:52:17,760
from what i can tell google doesn't want htc to go out of business

748
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:21,200
so they're not going to like exclusively license everything and hire what is it i

749
00:52:19,839 --> 00:52:24,720
think it's about half of their staff is that right is it half i don't know i think it's something like that don't

750
00:52:23,599 --> 00:52:28,480
don't quote me on that one though but it's a significant number of their staff

751
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:32,800
they don't want them to go out of business because they still i believe

752
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:39,359
they still intend to contract manufacture with htc they are not acquiring any of the manufacturing right

753
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:44,400
i wonder if the employees get any of the cash from their like oh right to be sold

754
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:48,240
like cattle i super bet not like like this is so yeah yeah it's like they're

755
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:52,160
paying google is paying htc for the right to pay the employees

756
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:56,079
their wage but i don't get anything

757
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:59,680
whether htc has made anything relevant in the last

758
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:04,480
three years or not they own the squeezy thing

759
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:10,640
sorry go ahead they own a ton of cell phone ip

760
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:13,599
because they were the og Android cell phone manufacturer

761
00:53:12,240 --> 00:53:17,920
um so one of the one of the biggest challenges

762
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:21,599
around building a product is not figuring out how to build a product one

763
00:53:19,839 --> 00:53:27,839
of the biggest challenges is figuring out how to build a product without

764
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:32,000
infringing on an 800 pound gorilla

765
00:53:27,839 --> 00:53:34,000
going to just lawsuit you into the dirt

766
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:38,240
for building something that happens to infringe on their patent even if you

767
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:42,079
developed it independently i mean that's why it's pretty much

768
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:45,839
impossible for anyone else to show up and become

769
00:53:43,119 --> 00:53:50,880
a GPU manufacturer at this point it's like done Intel tried and if Intel

770
00:53:48,319 --> 00:53:54,000
can't do it quite frankly well maybe apple could still do it my

771
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:59,119
question is but other than that i don't think so my my

772
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:03,359
question is how many times is google going to do this like when an Android

773
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:06,319
phone manufacturer is struggling because when they bought motorola motorola was

774
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:10,800
basically like all just irrelevant yeah and then

775
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:13,680
if they hadn't been bought they would have been done but now

776
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:16,640
they're doing great again as well sort of but like you know

777
00:54:15,839 --> 00:54:21,520
yeah you're seeing i wouldn't be surprised if it kept happening remember it's really

778
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:24,960
hard to tell if a chinese-backed company is doing great well okay i don't know

779
00:54:23,119 --> 00:54:29,200
their numbers because they could just be getting like you could be seeing like

780
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:33,119
all these ads and all these new like products and all this stuff but it could

781
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:36,160
be just literally chinese government money just buying paying for all of it

782
00:54:35,119 --> 00:54:41,920
true and then just buying the inventory off the shelves when it's done and burying

783
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:46,640
it in a hole like we don't know or incinerating it

784
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:50,559
and then creating rain to wash it out of the air

785
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:54,079
like we don't know yeah no no that's fair but in terms of like brand

786
00:54:52,240 --> 00:54:56,800
awareness i mean i know i know that i've been hearing a lot more about like the

787
00:54:55,839 --> 00:55:00,800
moto moto g series and stuff right there they

788
00:54:59,359 --> 00:55:05,040
kind of found a niche as like this budget thing like my brother-in-law has

789
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:08,880
one i think they're killing it in india too right yeah is my understanding

790
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:13,359
anyway i could be wrong is the same good thing gonna happen with htc like by

791
00:55:12,079 --> 00:55:17,520
they didn't buy the whole company they bought part of it but like i don't know it's gonna be interesting

792
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:21,200
to see whether it actually saves them or not right i love hcc i kind of have an

793
00:55:19,839 --> 00:55:27,760
emotional connection to them because they're did you did you ever see that original commercial with like with the

794
00:55:25,359 --> 00:55:31,040
uh we are you and you and you and i think so and the piano is like

795
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:37,359
i like that commercial so because that commercial i don't want

796
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:41,359
them to go up yeah yeah it's probably from a pr first they were my first

797
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:45,200
agency but whatever yeah my first Android phone was an htc i don't know i

798
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:51,040
just there we go okay now speaking of the feels from when you were a kid this

799
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:54,720
original article is from bbc.com

800
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:57,599
toys r us toys r us files for bankruptcy

801
00:55:54,720 --> 00:55:59,839
protection in the us and canada damn

802
00:55:58,799 --> 00:56:06,559
um wow 64. 6 what

803
00:56:03,599 --> 00:56:10,480
64 000 employees they have like i wanted to start like i wanted to start to go

804
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:14,400
[ __ ] me for real yeah go [ __ ] you toys r us i think they're in the whole 4

805
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:21,680
billion 4 billion four billion do it guys

806
00:56:18,240 --> 00:56:24,160
can we raise if every person on earth

807
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:28,839
legitimately every single one of them we need a contributed 50 cents we need a

808
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:31,760
sarah mclaughlin commercial yeah yeah ah

809
00:56:30,240 --> 00:56:36,319
look in the eyes look in the eyes of this batman action figure um so a us

810
00:56:34,319 --> 00:56:40,160
bankruptcy judge approved a loan of more than two billion to help stabilize the

811
00:56:38,079 --> 00:56:44,400
toy chain and i mean i love toys r us as much as anyone

812
00:56:41,359 --> 00:56:46,960
but why is anybody giving gigantic big

813
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:50,400
box retail chains billion dollar loans i was gonna say this is just another

814
00:56:48,079 --> 00:56:53,440
amazon created corpse like like amazon just murdered this

815
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:58,880
company yep yep i mean would you lend them two

816
00:56:55,680 --> 00:57:00,319
billion dollars no

817
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:04,640
uh i'd have to get two billion dollars first clearly they all ran for right i'm not

818
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:08,160
sure how to answer that question the fact that they owe you know two billion

819
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:11,119
dollars tells us everything we need to know

820
00:57:10,240 --> 00:57:17,040
about how the business is going billions i mean the stuff they sell is

821
00:57:16,079 --> 00:57:23,359
like 30 bucks well i don't know lego man

822
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:28,079
okay that's true that was expensive yeah

823
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:30,880
so in 2016 about 13.7 percent of all toy

824
00:57:28,079 --> 00:57:36,160
sales were online and that's up six and a half percent from five years ago

825
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:42,240
that's in 2016. that's last year in countries where amazon is not as big so

826
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:44,559
the uk the eu in general asia not

827
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:49,359
included in the bankruptcy really so it's just countries where amazon is big

828
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:53,520
because i wonder who killed toys r us this is the thing about the the rise of

829
00:57:51,119 --> 00:57:56,799
amazon it's like you know i justine was saying she can order something and have

830
00:57:55,280 --> 00:58:00,559
it arrive in 15 minutes we don't have that luxury here in canada no not yet

831
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:05,839
but you know but it's like it's it's sounds like yeah maybe by 9 p.m but it's the same

832
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:09,680
day but even here it's like a couple days as long as it's got prime we have a

833
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:13,040
lot less prime selection but like i definitely get my money's worth

834
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:16,400
that's for free shipping if you want to pay for it you can get it by 9 pm same

835
00:58:14,799 --> 00:58:22,640
day yeah as long as you order before i think it's 11 a.m or something and it's just like it's actually

836
00:58:20,079 --> 00:58:27,200
more it takes less time like out of my life by like an order of

837
00:58:25,119 --> 00:58:31,680
magnitude oh yeah oh yeah to where i just like i like if we give my if my

838
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:36,319
kids have a stupid birthday party to go to i've just got amazon top selling toys

839
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:43,040
find something that doesn't look like plastic garbage order it and don't think about it

840
00:58:39,599 --> 00:58:44,640
anymore because my wife will wrap it and

841
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:48,160
also you don't have to feel like kind of a weirdo walking into a toy store as a

842
00:58:46,319 --> 00:58:50,799
grown adult you know like this is for this isn't for me

843
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:56,480
this is for my friend this is from my friend this is my friend

844
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:59,760
with a pedo stash yeah yeah exactly yeah you had your speedo stash was great but

845
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:02,960
i i want to bring it back you should bring back every time i shave i just

846
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:06,799
shave the whole thing and forget that i'm like oh yeah i want a stash you got to bring you know what if you want to

847
00:59:05,359 --> 00:59:10,960
remember just take like a big sharpie and just draw on here and then you'll see it until it grows

848
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:14,880
over and it'll look basically the same yeah

849
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:19,040
hey it'll remind you i had that for a long time but

850
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:23,359
it's it's it's almost mainstream now it's too you know i was a hipster when i

851
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:26,799
had it yeah yeah it's like now you see a guy with a mustache you're like oh

852
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:35,119
it's just another dude all right so last topic of the day

853
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:38,079
this could change memes forever

854
00:59:35,119 --> 00:59:45,280
pepe the frog's creator oh boy gets legal against the alt-right

855
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:49,920
so yes the creator matt fury and his lawyers

856
00:59:47,839 --> 00:59:53,440
have taken legal action against the alt-right serving cease and desist

857
00:59:52,079 --> 00:59:58,799
orders to several alt-right personalities and websites including

858
00:59:55,760 --> 01:00:01,599
richard spencer and mike cernovich

859
00:59:58,799 --> 01:00:06,799
so spencer uh pepe is all over his site and the mascot for his podcast alt-right

860
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:08,720
politics and for cernovich uh he used a

861
01:00:06,799 --> 01:00:13,200
3d version of pepe dancing with hillary clinton reading aloud sections of her

862
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:18,160
new book he's also served a cease and desist against r slash the donald and as

863
01:00:16,319 --> 01:00:22,720
someone who has tried to contact reddit about the content on their site before

864
01:00:20,799 --> 01:00:26,240
i can i can say that's probably not going anywhere they're really really

865
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:31,520
good at just ignoring they've also issued dmca takedown requests to reddit

866
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:36,000
amazon youtube and twitter notifying them that use of pepe by the alt-right

867
01:00:34,079 --> 01:00:39,760
on their platforms is copyright infringement

868
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:43,680
and at the end of august fury's lawyers actually reached a settlement with eric

869
01:00:41,599 --> 01:00:48,079
hauser who appropriated pepe's image for use in an islamophobic children's book

870
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:51,839
so they forced him to stop selling the book and made him donate the profits to

871
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:56,079
the council on american islamic relations apparently google play has

872
01:00:54,079 --> 01:00:58,480
stopped selling build the wall of the game

873
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:04,799
because of advertising with special guest appearances from pepe that's right

874
01:01:02,319 --> 01:01:09,119
previously previously apple had refused to publish

875
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:12,880
the game until it removed pepe the frog and apple has a blanket band against

876
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:17,280
pepe the frog that it has enforced against multiple app creators this is

877
01:01:15,359 --> 01:01:23,280
fascinating because it kind of opens up a conversation about who owns memes yes

878
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:28,400
like memes have kind of existed as a sort of like oh it's a distributed

879
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:32,799
content that kind of arose from the internet sort of organically so it's

880
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:38,240
like if you make a meme and it becomes a meme do you own the copyright and and

881
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:42,559
the answer until now although i don't to my knowledge this hasn't been like

882
01:01:40,799 --> 01:01:46,000
seriously a question i think you absolutely do

883
01:01:44,319 --> 01:01:51,520
right because you created something but like a lot of the time it's derivative but

884
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:55,119
not derivative enough you didn't create anything you captioned

885
01:01:53,119 --> 01:01:59,839
it in a lot of cases right and the caption is often part of the original

886
01:01:56,640 --> 01:02:03,599
creation and and it has never been

887
01:01:59,839 --> 01:02:05,440
enforced no to this kind of a degree now

888
01:02:03,599 --> 01:02:09,440
to be clear it looks like matt fury is only going

889
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:13,599
after the alt right here but if he wins

890
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:18,400
a bunch of these battles if he wins a battle against reddit imagine he wins

891
01:02:16,319 --> 01:02:21,280
against reddit there's some there's some problems though if he only goes after

892
01:02:19,839 --> 01:02:25,920
the alt-right yeah that would mean that he's doing it because he doesn't like how very specific people are using it i

893
01:02:24,799 --> 01:02:31,200
don't think that's a way that you can defend it also he let it happen for so

894
01:02:29,599 --> 01:02:35,359
long i think that hurts his case a lot that he probably won't be able to defend

895
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:38,880
it anymore because he seemed okay with it i think we've even talked on the lan

896
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:42,720
show about how at one point in time he was just like baby the frog is just a

897
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:47,040
thing man it was like the most stoned statement i've ever read

898
01:02:44,799 --> 01:02:50,720
do you remember that quite a while ago but it was like a very

899
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:54,799
like everyone just gets to coexist and just pepe the frog's just awesome

900
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:59,200
teddy frog is for everyone he's probably taking a bunch of crap for

901
01:02:56,400 --> 01:03:02,640
it yeah very likely i mean but it's been so long and that statement came out and

902
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:08,400
if there's a statement saying sure you can use it he's basically screwed the obvious

903
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:13,280
parallel here is to the pewdiepie situation where he yes the firewatch

904
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:16,720
developer goes and does a dmca takedown specifically of pewdiepie's firewatch

905
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:21,280
content because they didn't agree with how you know with and and

906
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:24,559
there's a similar problem there which is probably why you're bringing this up but

907
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:29,440
on firewatch's website there's a specific yes you can use this for

908
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:32,880
streaming and video creation and you can monetize it

909
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:36,400
and like it that one's a little bit more direct the firewatch one is that's

910
01:03:34,319 --> 01:03:39,680
pretty black and white uh i'm not even 100 sure about the pepe the frog one it

911
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:44,480
was from a while ago and i think it was pretty vague anyways yeah but if there's

912
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:49,200
a confirm that you can use it like right i mean to be fair

913
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:53,039
is is the question whether he's a like he's justified in doing this

914
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:56,880
because i think he is yeah i don't think that's the question i think the question

915
01:03:54,799 --> 01:04:00,000
of whether it's like legally yeah he's justified he'll win i'm talking about

916
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:04,240
whether i think he'll win right whether he's justified in doing this is not the

917
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:08,559
debate for sure if someone creates an image it belongs to them right and

918
01:04:06,319 --> 01:04:13,680
people can't use it without permission but what the discussion is is around the

919
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:17,760
fact that this has always been this gray area yeah and now we're opening up this

920
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:22,640
can of worms that goes okay if people are gonna start defending

921
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:25,839
their memes then are we gonna kill memes

922
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:39,119
but with glorious applause um i think there will still definitely be

923
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:43,920
some yeah yeah we gotta fit it in there yeah um i think there's definitely still

924
01:04:41,119 --> 01:04:47,599
gonna be some like freeware memes and i bet you there will be like a

925
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:53,520
reddit community around like anything posted in here if it is oc has some

926
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:56,319
license like the public memeing license where everyone is allowed to use it

927
01:04:54,799 --> 01:05:01,359
forever and then people are going to start creating memes out of stuff that comes out of there and then memes will

928
01:04:59,119 --> 01:05:05,839
be saved i think i bet you that will happen if this like goes through i bet

929
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:10,640
no no the internet would would rally around memes imager and reddit would get

930
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:13,599
behind 4chan too let's not leave that they're all all these big sites they're

931
01:05:12,559 --> 01:05:20,400
all going to get behind me let's just let's bring back ebom's world while we're at yeah they would save memes too

932
01:05:17,839 --> 01:05:25,680
why not i mean for this for this to be the death of memes uh it kind of

933
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:28,160
requires every meme creator to also do

934
01:05:27,359 --> 01:05:33,280
to yeah go after copyright for like their memes right so which i don't think yeah

935
01:05:31,599 --> 01:05:36,880
i don't think that generally people are responsible for creating these kind of

936
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:41,920
things i would be a lot more hesitant to use them though if used if anyone had

937
01:05:39,599 --> 01:05:43,760
one illegal fight ever true

938
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:47,359
yeah as an individual i might just yellow it

939
01:05:45,839 --> 01:05:52,000
but as a business because individually you'd be fine but how does fairy use play into that

940
01:05:50,319 --> 01:05:57,280
because like if you take a meme and you're like okay i'm going to make a copy of this meme and put your like

941
01:05:54,799 --> 01:06:00,880
block text caption on it that's not i mean that's technically

942
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:04,160
parody it's technically kind of i think you have to actually for commercial use

943
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:08,720
it's tough yeah yeah yeah well if it's commercial use i think that's why these

944
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:12,559
differences especially when uh there was the exact same font usually on the

945
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:15,359
previous one yeah i don't think you'd get away with that yeah right i think

946
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:19,680
you'd have to change the core of the image

947
01:06:17,599 --> 01:06:23,119
all right so that's pretty much it for the lan show for today thank you guys

948
01:06:21,359 --> 01:06:28,559
for tuning in big thanks to our special guests justine uh stephen and riley you

949
01:06:26,559 --> 01:06:30,720
can check out uh well i mean you're watching on twitch right now or

950
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:35,440
maybe you're not maybe you're watching on youtube if you're watching on youtube we'll have links to uh where you can go

951
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:40,480
check those guys out in the video description if you're on twitch google is a really cool website yeah it works

952
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:45,280
quite well there's everything on there yeah they got everything on google alright i'm rolling the outro i'm

953
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:48,319
rolling the outro i mean they can still hear us you guys are killing me they

954
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:52,000
heard you say i'm rolling the outro you guys are killing me wait a minute

955
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:55,440
you're killing me here are you alive

956
01:06:53,920 --> 01:07:02,880
i'm you're killing me i can still be alive what's taking so long am i dead

957
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:02,880
am i alive i do not know

958
01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:10,480
oh my god how long does this outro go