Linus Tech Tips Live Show Archive - February 15, 2013
Linus Tech Tips
·Linus Tech Tips
·2013-05-07
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streaming it's not showing viewers again hello everyone I'm not sure if this is
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live or not we'll figure that out pretty soon
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hopefully people are saying late I don't think it's
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working oh this guy says live are we here can you guys hear us
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actually on time he weird
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again it's not local recording is it playing on
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Twitch there's Echo yeah there we go
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I'll probably take care of it welcome to the live stream everyone I
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am your host is it still it's still laggy here you talk to them I'll try fig
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this I don't think there's anything we can do because last time the issue was
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uh um what four viers there's a leg um last
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time the issue was that we were also local recording at the same time as we
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were live streaming so that was that was definitely a
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problem why don't I start with an update on what we have going in terms of CPU
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Cooler testing now we can do that after or or
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we can do that soon the liquid cooled Prodigy build is also finally done
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now this is going to surprise you guys on our standard test bench we have now
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tested pretty much every current generation liquid cooler with the
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exception of the swifttech h220 so we've done the
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h100i the Kraken x60 the
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h110 the thermal take water
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2.0 the is there anything else that covers all the major platforms right H9
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110 h100i uh Silver Arrow oh yeah right
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high-end air so the Silver Arrow extreme represents high-end air on our test
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bench and the big winner very
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surprisingly using our Noctua fans at about a th000 RPM so are are sometimes
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undervolted when they're 120 mil and not undervolted when they're 140 mil fans
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was actually the thermal t water 2.0 now
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I don't know if the fans that are included with the water 2.0 extreme are
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anything special because we actually never ran them but when it comes to
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sheer water block pump
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radiator this guy is the big winner it's got a it's got a thick rad it's not
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purely surprising you just ruin the surprise now there's no surprise left
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for them at all that's really awkward it's awkward
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for for you because cuz now you're fired damn it yeah it's early
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tonight I made it to the live stream first though no I fired you earlier
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today when um I don't remember but diesel said something and then I fired
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you oh but I think you did it because of something diesel said yeah that counts
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still and fellow employees can get you
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fired that that's actually a thing okay
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okay so most liquid cooling nothing oh most
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liquid cooling systems especially it's okay I'm just
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showing for thickness sakes um most liquid cooling systems are about the
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same thickness as the 120 mm fans that
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we mount on them what you can see here with the water 2.0 extreme is that it's
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actually significantly thicker than a regular fan so this is something that
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I've talked about a fair amount where people will say lonus can you test the
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whatever pre-filled liquid cooling kit to which
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I'll reply well it still only has a 120
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mm radiator it still isn't any thicker
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so the limiting factor for these pre-done liquid cooling things is oh
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we're back down to four viewers again but there's no way that's right it goes like this it's totally messed up
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oh% messed up
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um where was
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I you're saying the differentiating factor right is the amount of heat that
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the thing can actually dissipate because the CPU block designs honestly there's
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really not that much that you can improve about them without sort of a
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dramatic increase in the cost of manufacturing like look at what someone
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like for an apple ghd that should give
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you some I mean they charge as much for a block as a lot of these pre-done
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liquid coolers keep going keep going keep going keep going keep going what
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keep going they're saying the sound is low yeah no I can fix that too you can't
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fix that from there no no that that won't do it um we put the other mic on
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no it's okay it's okay it's okay here it's not even turned up how's the
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feed now guys is the feed clear now
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there we go how's the sound now I think I fixed the feed okay sound is fine for
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me sound is a smidge low sound is low sound is fine okay whatever I just
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turned it up quite a bit so okay so anyway the limiting factor is the
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radiator itself because you can take heat away from the CPU as much as you
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want but if you don't have some way to
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dissipate it to the air then there's nothing you can do so why does this dual
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120 mm slightly thicker rad beat a dual
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140 mm rad because it's all about surface area it's how much copper and
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aluminum can you put the water in contact with that generates the
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performance so in the case of single 120 millimeter RADS you could probably make
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them like this thick and you'd never get
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that same performance that you get out of this larger surface area because so
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much of it is wasted with The Fan Hub in the middle and the edges which aren't
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getting any air flow that the actual amount of cooling surface area is not
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very high yeah not only that but there's a law of diminishing returns as you
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thicken things that leads you to eventually you get this thick and the
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fan no matter what fan you put on it can barely even draw air through the
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radiator fins so that is why this was actually a great balance so how how much
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did this beat the h110 by oh I'm putting on the spot he's on
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the spot I can bring up numbers I think it was four was it four degrees four was
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it really that much I think it might have been oh no the h110 beat beat the
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Kraken by four the Kraken by four the Kraken was I think I think it's messed
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up yeah we think there's something wrong with our Kraken x60 like there's no way
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it should be generating results like that but
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um this one did beat the h110 though probably what by like a couple degrees
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or something like that so so this is the winner just because of the thicker
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radiator the problem with going with a thicker dual radiator though is a lot of
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cases just barely fit an h110 or an
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h110i because the uh the vrm heat sinks
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on the top of your motherboard are going to interfere with anything that's
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thicker so case compatibility for the water 2.0 extreme will be lower but it
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is as of right now according to our testing methodology which has us using
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none of the fans that are included with anything but our own separate
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highquality pressure optimized fans this is our number one choice so we'll be
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releasing all of those cooler reviews over the next little while and you guys
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can download the graphs off of our it
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beat h110 by one degree um yeah so h110 by one degree
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sorry so it's very very narrow margin of Victory but a victory nonetheless it's a
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120 mm versus a 140 mm so like that's pretty awesome M&M's
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are delicious I finished my dinner before the live stream today though
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you're still eating though it's not much better it doesn't make that much of a
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difference that it's candy is it worse that it's optional eating that I totally
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don't have to dobly because before the whole excuse was like oh I didn't eat
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all day but you just ate I did I had two plates of dinner it was awesome yeah and
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now you're having you have no excuse now
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do you like a candy no I'm good it's warm from my pocket that's
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gross at least it's not warm from my back pocket let's let's let's move along
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okay that thud we have been promising
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you guys we have been promising you guys a
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liquid cooled bit Phoenix Prodigy for
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about 300 bazillion years and actually well since launch
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it's been a long time and since the launch we have intended every day to
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build that liquid cooled Prodigy and show you guys so we have done it that's
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okay I'm just going to dump it on the floor we filmed the ncch tips episode
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where we not only show off the liquid cooled Prodigy but also do a build guide
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for how to build your own water cooled Prodigy from bit Phoenix so this is for
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those of you who don't know pretty much one of the bossest ITX enclosures on the
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Block so it's got kind of um a power
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maish looking frame it's a little bit wider than most chassis would be on the
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side it's got ventilation on the back you can see the orientation of the
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motherboard is actually horizontal so then there's a 120 or 140 mm uh thing
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there and then you got your power supply which is bottom mounted okay the bottom
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has a filtered intake for the power supply and things start to get uh I'll
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get my lovely assistant slick to go ahead and pull off the side panel here
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this is where things start to get interesting so we got a lot of cool
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Sweet Rock and Hardware mounted in here
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and this is what it looks like so this is our liquid cooled Prodigy we have
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gone with um a fairly conservative a fairly conservative
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configuration sort of so okay uh you
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know what I'll get uh can I get you to
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hold this and then I'll I'll point at stuff okay so first of all here we've
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got a dual 120 mm Raider uh dual 120 mm
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alphao nexos nexos uh 45 Nexus xt45 it's
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an all copper rad so the frame the fins
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the tubes everything in there is copper then over here at the back we have
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another oh that came that came loose because the uh mounting hole isn't quite
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lined up right uhoh oh the screw came out that's that's a problem well okay
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what are you pointing at I can't see it the oh I see it I see it I see it is it
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the block no it's the uh oh my goodness
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I hope this didn't damage anything that could be a big problem what is it it's
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the uh the rad at the back came out oh
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cuz I um I only put in two screws cuz I was lazy okay it's back on okay so
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there's a nexos xt45 single 120 mm rad
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if we were to mod the top of the case see in the roof there where there's room
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for dual 120s there's no room now because this one here blocks the
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clearance that you and actually they both block what clearance you'd need to
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install a dual 120 rad there but you could probably put another single 120
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rad there if you drilled your own hole so that's uh that's an idea for any of
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you modders out there for our graphics card because we see that keeps coming
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out uh it's because the um put two
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screws I mean more than two screws in yeah no the problem too though is that
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the uh the heads for these go right through the fan holes so scre yeah
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they're really really small so there's nothing I can do right now nice though the copper screws yeah copper screws
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which is sort of balling but I guess they saved a little bit on the uh on the
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making the head smaller okay so for the block we've gone with a GTX 670 with an
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alpha cool GTX 670 block again all
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copper so these are copper plugs here which is really cool and then you can
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see the copper of the block itself in here there's going to be more close-ups
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of this in the NC Tech tips episode so don't worry about that and then the
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front of it is so mirrored that we can probably show you guys there's our light
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there you go there's presumably our camera somewhere around there don't
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worry it's over there if you could see our camera you'd know that it's not
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mounted properly on the tripod and just has a piece of cardboard holding it up
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um which is cool for those of you who are asking why I'm wearing this shirt I
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actually own two of them which allows me to uh allows me to wash them
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and wear them at the same time seic 520
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wat power supply reservoirs mounted here you could put in a longer graphics card
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but we wouldn't be able to use this spot to mount the reservoir I really liked
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this spot for the res because it allows me to put it above the pump which is
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down there in the very bottom without um sort of any difficulty and without
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drilling any additional holes and then let's go ahead and open up the top so
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they can see what we did in terms of wire
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management inside the case and tubing
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management so let's go ahead and flip this bad boy down here oh man you can't
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see that at all how well can you hold this cuz I'm going to here no no no here
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here no no no come back it's not going to focus there it's okay we just need
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more light here feel like a Teletubby yeah I know
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right everyone's looking at my stomach okay so inside here you can see the uh
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the tubes mounted to the hold on this isn't
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working and it is working okay so there's the tubes mounted to the Dual
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rad here's the tubes mounted to the single rad back here then you can see
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the Apple ghd water block way down there in its guts 16 gigs of
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patriot memory and you can see that the
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water block for the GPU tilt it down there we go is oh up lift up but keep it
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tilted down can you do that awesome you're the man right oh something fell
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no no it's okay um that's just the pad for the pump okay yeah the question so
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there are the fittings on the back of the GPU block and I think that pretty
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much kind of covers it so the the water cooled bit Phoenix Prodigy did you show
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them the copper like uh stop fittings uh
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oh we can give them a closeup of that sort of so there's the copper stop
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fittings that are also for the All Copper radiators hopefully they can go
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do a closeup if you want that's okay that's good enough um so yeah there you
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go balling machine so
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3570k GTX 670 uh three thick 120 mm worth of um
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radiator um well inspectre fans because they came
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in the case and we didn't really have anything else handy I'm going to turn
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this light off because I think it's Wrecking everything but it's finally
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done so you guys can check out you guys
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can check out our guide on how to build your own it's not as in-depth as the
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ultimate water cooling guide that we produced a long time ago like not like
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here's how to screw in a fitting yeah yeah but that was pretty elaborate yeah
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but it's more like here's the little things that you'll need to know you kind
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of already know how to water cool here's how to water cool a prodigy yeah so
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everyone should just go and go and build
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a prodigy now hey did we change the uh the name of the twitch thing I don't
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think so ah update there we go all right
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so why don't we do some Twitter Q&A while slick goes and finds us a topic to
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talk about that crazy Russian thing right
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there medor over Russia and it's like freaking huge and it's paused right
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before it kind of starts so you can show people okay well we better do that then
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it's pretty crazy is this muted no mute
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there we go all right guys meteor
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time so you'll see it see it coming right there oh wow and then it's like
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way bigger than you thought and then it kind of goes and
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kind of fizzes out a little bit right there and then you can kind of he comes
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comes around the corner you can see it kind of like exploded a little bit and
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then fizzed out wow yeah like serious
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business and apparently there was more than just that one huh I haven't like
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read into it very much I just heard about it last night and then decided I'd
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try and find a video for it that we could show people because that's like
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pretty intense and this guy just keeps on cruising along imagine you were
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driving down the road and you saw that above I know like what the I like we we
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still have it open in the side window and the guy just
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yeah it's like he it's like he uh it's like he doesn't even realize like the
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crazy thing that's going on he's passing this guy he's in a hurry to get home to
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his family and make sure that he you know they didn't get crushed or
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something or maybe he just drives like that I heard a rumor that one of them hit a uh zinc plant and it just like
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crushed the whole top of the building and everything just really bad wow like
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like I'm pretty sure there was quite a bit more than just this one maybe if we
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looked at the astrological signs more carefully we' have seen this
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coming I'm going to go look
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more oh
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God Slick's not a believer in
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astrology sck why don't you believe in astrology um no for those of you who
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don't uh who those of you who who are not familiar with astrology it is the
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science of the time okay I can't even
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say that was a straight face um that's not astronomy astronomy is a real thing
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astrology astrology is uh the thing
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where the time that you're born dictates something about your personality or I'm
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a Scorpio so this means I have to marry this personed this month and that means
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you're going to make tons of money this month yeah or like uh you know you're
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you're a Taurus so you're impatient or whatever else and yeah it's one of those
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things it's one of those things that helps me kill some time while I get Twitter going
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uh the the New York Times with the Tesla
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yeah that was crazy model uh can you tell me what you did with the keyboard
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no because I didn't oh okay so there was
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a big thing with the New York Times um
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in the last in the last little bit here where Tesla sent the New York Times
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Reporter reviewer um associate that's
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okay I got it uh a Tesla vehicle and he
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was supposed to create you know an article an unbiased impartial uh
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analysis of the car and he came back
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with a with an article that was very critical of the Tesla vehicle saying
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that it wasn't um you know it lost its
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charge and it just you know wasn't didn't charge properly and just just
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generally very very negative about it and this was after um one of those guys
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in the UK Top Gear did a review on it as well and Tesla had already found some
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kind of sketchy stuff with theirs like they said it ran out of power it's a fully
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electric vehicle and they have a shot of it running out of power and then they have they like overlay the sound of a
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Dying motor but it's on a fully electric car so if it runs out of power it
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doesn't like chug down like a motor yeah so people were like what and then Top
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Gear eventually after like they were in court about it and all this kind of
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stuff and then Top Gear eventually was like yeah okay whatever we kind of FIB
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that shot we made it up so after that
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now New York Times pulls this and Tesla was worried about any other problematic
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stuff so they put a black box in the car and they were like yeah you just kind of
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drove around a parking lot a whole bunch and you had like the temperature in the
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cabin was like 75 degrees at all points in time and he claimed that he was
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Cruise controlled at 52 miles or at 52
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kilm an hour I don't remember what it was probably miles near probably miles
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yeah yeah okay um but he was actually at like 75 and like he just like kind of
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made up a whole bunch of stuff and did a whole bunch of weird practices like like
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not distance in certain areas and just
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it's just really really sketchy and so basically their editorial Integrity is
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under Fire big time here because why
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would you give a negative review to such an exciting Innovative technology if
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you're not on the take getting the money yeah
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like what's the point why why how do you benefit from this so that's it's not a
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legitimate review at that point yeah that's sort of a big deal right now so
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um so the the only logical concl conclusion that we can come to is that
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you should get all of your news directly from
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us because we are not taking any money from like a you know oil company or
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automotive company to uh bring you biased reviews of graphics cards and
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like the the one thing is there's one thing to be said for like a sponsored
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spot and then there's another thing to be said when you get paid off to be
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against something yes like that's and we
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have no problem with a sponsored spot sponsored spot is good especially if a
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sponsored spot is something that you already like anyway I would have no
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problem here I will list companies that I would have no problem and I'm sure I
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hope none of you can really disagree with this I'd have no problem taking a
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sponsored spot from Intel AMD
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NVIDIA um ASUS Corsair companies that
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know their stuff Kingston there's more there's a bunch more like there's lots
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more antech they build good stuff I mean they're power supplies do do you
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remember the soldering job on that new power
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saw I was like it's kind of beautiful what you could frame that yeah you could
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frame that you you could call that art no one would know the difference because
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it was beautiful so there's companies that I would have no problem taking a
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sponsored spot from but if we were to take a sponsored spot from Intel on an
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AMD CPU review that wouldn't really work
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give it a negative review and then yeah
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you guys probably shouldn't watch our videos anymore just saying that would be kind
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of the Tipping Point speaking of not watching our videos anymore um I've
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gotten some complaints that people aren't getting notifications in their
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subscription box that we have new videos um I've actually gotten a couple and
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I've noticed viewers viewership has gone down in the last few days so I don't
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know if YouTube's bugged out but one guy said that the solution for him was to
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unsubscribe and resubscribe at the like right at the same time and that took
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care of it and now he's getting us showing up in his subbox so um just kind
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of throwing that out there if you guys wanted to get our videos and not getting
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them then that might be a way to take care of wait that meteor that exp bring
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up uh Twitter that meteorite that exploded over Russia was only one and it
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damaged okay so that 500 people that so
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that same one we saw it wasn't multiple like I was that was probably a piece of
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it though yeah yeah so that same one that we saw in that video hit the zinc
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plant that I was talking about it was not multiple 500 people that's kind of
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that's crazy are you going to dye your hair again probably not uh budget gaming
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CPU 82 Bucks versus I'd probably go with the AMD one
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cuz the Pentium one cannot be overclocked at all and AP uh yeah fix
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the camera angle yeah I thought I fixed it is it like
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falling cuz I'm here
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again I think it might be turning maybe tighten the spots sure
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seems pretty seems pretty tight to Me Maybe I just adjusted it stupidly last
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time there we go now you can see us uh the
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Russian air defense intercepted the meteorite and blew it up to reduce the
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size and a vered catastrophe okay good
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work people are saying they saw water dripping out of The Prodigy I didn't see
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any personally yeah I saw it I didn't put the I didn't put the cap on the top
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of the reservoir too tightly we're we're taking this build apart yeah we're going
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to take it apart like immediately so we're done with it yeah it's partially
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taken apart uh would a swift tech h220 perform in The Prodigy that would make
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an awesome and practical yes it would in fact what I would probably do is I would
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throw another 120 mil rat on there and you're ready to go and that avoids the
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issue with mounting space for reservoirs
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and pumps because the reservoir is part of the radiator and the pump is good
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well one thing that would be kind of tough with the Swift Tech unit actually
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is there's you'd have to mount it you
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know what I don't want to guarantee that because the h220 has a longer tank at
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the bottom to be a res as well and I'm not 100% sure if there's clearance for
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that so if you didn't put a fan in the back here you could probably fit it
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there maybe facing the other way maybe maybe in the top yeah yeah yeah are
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Samsung 840 Pro ssds better than Intel's 520s
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yes 520s are getting a little bit old now yeah it's a little it's a little
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dated it's a sand Force drive so what is there to really say about it static
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constantly I use onboard sound is that why very possibly yes onboard sound
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should just go away yeah budget oh okay
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that was twice um for fan control what do you prefer a manual controller pwm
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this is actually a good discussion topic so um well we both have the same one do
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we both have the same one yeah not necessarily why what do you prefer no I
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said we both have the same one one of what uh fan controller oh fan controller
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okay but he says I think he just means in general what do you prefer does you
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mean manual controller as in like like a separate thing
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and then pwm is on the motherboard uh I
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was going to interpret it as analog versus pwm fan control okay okay so why
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don't we talk about that a little bit these are fan connectors they're blurry
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you can't see them but don't worry about it this one has three pins and this one
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has four pins so the three pin one has a
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pin for positive a pin for negative and then a pin that is a an RPM sensor that
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tells you if the fan is spinning how fast it's spinning and if it stops
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spinning okay the way to control this fan is to reduce the voltage so computer
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fans all pretty much run at 12 Vols DC and that's when they run at the correct
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speed you can overvolt them and you can have them run faster but it'll burn out
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the motor sooner and you can undervolt them which has the benefit of making
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them quieter but at the cost of air flow
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because they won't spin as fast if you undervolt too far what tends to happen
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is particularly on cheap fans they'll tick or they'll whine and if you
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undervolt again too far they'll have trouble starting so they'll kind of go
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like this and they'll never actually get past
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that Tipping Point and get started but even if you have it at like five volts
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if you start it manually it can often keep going even at a very very very slow
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speed just needs to start that momentum yeah needs to get that momentum going
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okay so that's three pin uh four pin pwm fans have a fourth
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pin called pulse width modulation pin I made that up
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but don't worry about it so it's a fourth pin in the connector and a fourth
27:33
wire that runs to the fan these fans can
27:36
be controlled by simply undervolting them because you just don't connect the
27:41
fourth pin to anything or don't send any signal down it and you can just under
27:44
bolt it and it can spin slower but pulse width modulation actually controls the
27:49
fan in a different way so what it does is instead of yeah see he's he's doing
27:53
it controls the fan like this so instead
27:57
of applying a constant 12v voltage to it
28:00
it will go okay here's a 12 Vol oh not now here's 12vt not now here's 12v not
28:05
now so what that does is by applying 12 volts you always have enough momentum to
28:10
start the fan which is one of the advantages of pwm but you don't have to um something
28:19
you always have enough to start the fan right but you don't have to spin it at
28:22
full speed because it's going burst 12 burst 12 burst 12 just keep spinning it
28:26
so it just keeps moving yeah it's like hitting your finger against a fan so it
28:29
continually rotates yeah it's
28:33
like hitting it at full force that's a good that's a good analogy good job good
28:37
job you're not fired tonight does that does that unfire me from before yeah so
28:42
I'm back at zero again no because I fired you once earlier already so you're
28:46
at negative one no so I'm at one one
28:49
yeah one time being fired okay so uh so pwm fan control okay the disadvantage of
28:56
pwm fan control is that it requires a controller it requires a chipset inside
29:01
the fan and inside the fan controller itself so that'll be built into your
29:04
motherboard or your fan controller whether it's uh you know nqbe T balancer
29:08
or whatever else um and these are often
29:11
not compatible and incompatible pwm fan
29:14
controllers can cause things like noises or grinding noises or just just kind of
29:22
bad things just very bad things so um
29:27
there's actually a a third method and that is pwm control over three pin fans
29:32
but that can only really be done by fairly Advanced controllers like the one
29:35
that we both use which can do uh voltage
29:38
control or pwm control it's the mcubed T balancer which is freaking awesome when
29:43
you can get it to work and I'm going to have an Eminem so why don't you explain what a t balancer does uh a t balancer
29:49
is it's a microcontroller it's a little board that you can put you don't have to
29:54
display what you're eating it's delicious though look at my prize ni can
29:58
enjoy it with me oh my goodness um it's
30:02
it's a little yeah it's a little module you can link them up to other ones to
30:05
add more fans to it you can do whatever but basically it's the central holy crap
30:10
okay I'll be back in a minute what are you doing don't worry about
30:13
it okay oh he might be going and getting
30:16
one I know he has one we both have one anyways so you can hook up a whole bunch
30:20
of fans to it um I'm getting spam text
30:23
messages and I'm woring worried that something's happening on the stream uh
30:28
uh twitch tell me if something's
30:34
wrong nope okay everything looks fine um
30:39
yeah so it's basically an awesome fan controller you can Branch there's only like three or four headers on it but
30:43
like I said you can add another module that add fan that adds fans to it or you
30:47
can just splitter off of those in the control sections so I how I have mine
30:51
set up is all the fans that are up on my radiator I have in one section and then
30:55
uh all the fans in the front of my case are on another and then the bottom and
30:58
back fan are both on another one so then based on certain temperature curves for
31:03
all of those three different zones those fans will change speed so if I'm doing
31:08
nothing on my computer my radiator fans will turn off because that can idle and
31:13
be totally fine and my CPU won't get in trouble at all it only hits like 35 with
31:18
no fan spinning so that's totally fine um but then the second I start playing a
31:22
game or something all those fans will turn on so it can Aid in cooling my CPU
31:25
so those fan curves are pretty nice you can do stuff like like that in fan expert and some other um motherboard
31:31
controller ones but it's a little bit more elegant on the T
31:34
balancer M cubed T balancer um the
31:37
software for it is really messed up though it's really hard to move uh use
31:42
apparently lus got it working a lot better than I did and he said that he
31:46
downloaded the German version and then installed an English language pack which
31:50
was better than just downloading the English version so that's kind of funky
31:55
but apparently it worked um I've tried a few different fan
32:00
controllers but none of them were fully satisfying except for the MBE t b oh oh
32:06
that's fantastic there you go I was thinking
32:09
about whipping these out so whatever you were talking about
32:14
now uh is not nearly as interesting as
32:18
us sitting here with weapons on the uh on the live
32:22
stream they're not real guns yeah not real guns guys BB guns although they
32:28
come with realistic mag
32:31
action yeah sliding bolt and uh oh yeah foldable stock
32:39
adjustable sights adjustable sights that's it it really yeah you have to
32:44
turn the screws but yeah they're fully adjustable sites I have no idea that's
32:47
kind of awesome uh 40 round mag uh co2
32:51
powered and pretty pretty reasonable pretty reasonable replicas so um
32:58
yeah we're pretty excited about sort of I I had there was someone asking on the
33:03
uh on the stream about the a secret
33:07
project that we've done some teasers of
33:10
on uh on Twitter and we can't really
33:13
show it to you yet unfortunately but I can tell you that it will be out soon
33:19
that's probably really loud oh yeah that is probably loud okay I won't play the gun um I can tell you that it will be
33:24
out soon and for those of you complaining about the choppy video
33:27
there's nothing we can do about it because it is probably the a media card
33:32
it looks fine on our oh it does okay that's true um I'm not sure what it is
33:38
and these actually are not the guns that
33:41
we used in the super secret project we acquired these um sort of temporarily as
33:48
a I put it in the Attic again okay yeah we acquired these as a means of filming
33:53
something similar to the super secret project but hopefully with like replicas
33:59
instead of paintball a paintball marker
34:02
which is not that realistic looking so
34:05
um there you have it these are our new toys that we're doing something with but
34:11
I can't tell you guys um necessarily
34:14
what's coming but I will say that it involves Diesel's Diesel's talents and
34:19
after effects so yeah stay tuned guys
34:23
stay tuned if you're not already subscribed to the Techquickie Channel
34:27
Channel make sure that you subscribed to the Techquickie Channel because that is
34:31
where all of the stuff will be going not on the lus tech tips channel are we're
34:36
not posting the Epic one on channel no that's going to go on Tech cookie okay
34:41
yeah it's pretty epic though it's pretty
34:44
epic I'm going to be tweeting that out like nuts it's actually really cool yeah
34:49
like hands down the coolest thing we've done yeah yeah by by far it's the best
34:53
uh the best video we've ever made oh yeah yeah like the Intel walkthr was
34:58
pretty cool um that's true they're on
35:02
completely different playing yeah that's that's totally a different they can't really compete with each other the Intel
35:06
walkthrough was pretty epic but this one is just in a completely different realm
35:10
of epicness um but anyway okay so we'll put
35:15
that aside for now
35:19
um that that was it sort of sorry what were you talking about I never actually
35:23
went and got a new topic I just went and got the gun m t balance here but I
35:26
covered it oh you covered it already okay uh I don't have any other topics
35:31
that was all you had for tonight you don't have anything I do what do you
35:35
have I just don't know what they are because I didn't go look at them instead of uh going and getting a gun to play
35:41
with um oh yeah uh dell is trying to go
35:45
private again I thought they did they are getting resistance from some of
35:50
their major stakeholders who are asking for
35:54
completely unreasonable payouts on the
35:57
uh on the stocks that they still have so I think there's one group that owns like
36:01
8% and one group that owns like 4% or something like that and they're asking
36:05
for a value that's like 20% higher than
36:08
what Dell has already shot up to following the news about the
36:13
reacquisition of the stocks back so it's it so so so it was here and then Dell
36:20
sort of went oh okay we're going to reacquire everything at this amount so
36:24
people glommed on and bought it at anything less than that because he
36:28
um Michael Dell and I think it's someone else said look we're going to buy
36:32
everything at this price and then now that that's done these guys are going oh
36:36
well we should get this much for it because the Stock's worth this much and
36:40
this is supposed to be a buyout right so you can't just buy it at this price
36:43
because it's worth more but the argument is that if it had been worth more then
36:49
it would be um it wouldn't be worried about doing that yeah like if it had
36:53
been worth more it wouldn't have only jumped up because they were talking about reacquiring it at that price um
36:59
which leads me to a discussion topic that we actually talked about a few
37:02
weeks back which was the Cisco uh sale
37:06
of lynis to Belin so I think this is interesting
37:12
because I I know enough about lynis and what goes on over there to know that the
37:16
business unit is profitable at least well okay at least here in Canada so I
37:21
don't know about necessarily every market right I know it's profitable I
37:25
it' be hard to imagine it's not profitable yep I know it's self-
37:29
sustaining yep so it it covers the
37:32
people who actually work there and it's
37:35
being sold off as an entire business unit so the whole thing is just kind of
37:41
going the somewhere else the point is
37:44
what uh stockholders want is this is
37:47
like if this is the profitability line even if you're up here but plateauing
37:53
they don't care they want you to be ramping up the whole time yes so Revenue
37:58
needs to go up profitability needs to go
38:01
up and market share needs to go up and
38:05
if all of those numbers aren't going up then that's bad so that's where I feel
38:09
like some very strange decisions get made why is Dell going private and sort
38:15
of this sort of leads me to because they
38:18
need to be able to do things internally
38:21
that don't necessarily look good to a stockholder and you know someone like uh
38:27
like New Egg for example has tried to go public a couple times now and the
38:31
problem every time was that new egg's
38:35
net margin was something like 1% now 1% is not a lot of money from a
38:41
stockholders perspective would you invest in a company that's making 1% not
38:45
really because as a stockholder that's not profitable for you right how are you
38:49
going to how are you going to make money by investing in this company whereas if
38:53
you are the owner of new EG and you're
38:56
making 1% on probably somewhere in the
39:00
neighborhood of2 billion to5 billion
39:05
yearly what do you care yeah 1% of that
39:10
no problem uh because that's that's the leftover after they pay everyone and
39:15
after everything's done so that's gains so as as a private company their model
39:20
works but as a public company they look like total you know like oh why you know
39:27
I'd rather invest in Intel where their profit margin is 40% or whatever else or
39:32
apple where their profit margin is what was it like 70% or something ridiculous
39:37
99.9% over 9,000 per. um they summon
39:42
money whenever they sell something right so why is why is why does Dell want to
39:45
go private because in order to be competitive in the PC space I mean a lot
39:49
of the viewers out there might think that a company like NC or Newegg or EVGA
39:56
or whoever else makes like a ton of money it's like well if they're charging
40:00
me $500 for a graphics card they're probably keeping $200 for themselves or
40:05
$100 uh no they're not first of all R&D
40:09
is insanely expensive well okay hold on I'm talking retailers right now though
40:13
okay yeah NVIDIA does okay you said EVGA yeah but EV oh that's true EVGA does
40:18
have R&D that's true uh because they do release custom cards things like towin
40:23
and their custom coolers R&D goes into a cooler like no doubt about that okay
40:28
fine you win um customers that un fire me
40:32
again am I at zero now no because you
40:35
embarrassed Me by proving me wrong so actually you're fired again
40:40
what that's not even fair okay one sec it's choppy I think I
40:45
can fix it what what what would you do restarting the card worked
40:50
last wow that is just super ridiculous
40:53
yeah it looks like um so anyway EVGA is
40:56
an example someone who actually right so they're even more Under the Gun there's
41:00
customer support there is um just like
41:04
stupid little things that you might not even think about like designing a box
41:08
like you have to have graphic designers you have to have people to admin your
41:12
stupid like Community Forum like there's everything costs money and uh like they
41:16
do giveaways and stuff in their Community forum and they have a lot of community contests and like they give
41:21
out money to people who win Bild of the month and they have their I can't even
41:25
remember what it's called but it's like they're even GGA mod team and like they
41:29
have like their Community embraced as well like so this whole thing is not
41:35
sustainable if you're a public company because there's no way you'd survive on
41:39
IT industry margins so Dell right is trying to get back to being competitive
41:43
they're trying to get lean again they're trying to get to the point where you
41:47
know the entire executive team can't be fired by a bunch of shareholders if they
41:52
you know make 1% or lose 2% for a
41:56
quarter in in orderorder to you know bring something really cool and
41:59
Innovative to the market that they couldn't do if they didn't if they
42:03
weren't able to just kind of throw money at it for a little bit and like make
42:06
things happen just get things going which will ultimately give them better
42:10
Market placement people will car more people buy more products but it's not immediately so people don't care and
42:15
shareholders a lot of the time can be very shortsighted yeah like you know
42:20
they talk about you know well I'm buying long or or or short or or whatever else
42:26
like that so anyone who's in it for short-term gain has zero interest in
42:32
Dell's survival 10 years from now what do they care they won't even be invested
42:36
in them anymore that's right so if Dell needs to make a decision like we're going to lose money for two years to get
42:41
ourselves competitive again they could never do it as a public company so which
42:46
leads me back to Cisco's decision to to let go of lynis why would you get rid of
42:52
a profitable self-contained business unit that has really no end in sight in
42:57
terms of like what we're going to stop needing routers I don't think so if
43:01
anything you know high-end routers are to going to become a bigger issue I mean
43:05
when everyone can get Google Fiber to their door yeah I'm going to want a
43:08
high-end router you're not going to want that stock thing no you're not it's just
43:12
not going to happen not going to happen and good because good Wiens to that
43:16
thing yeah I agree I mean Lyn's high-end AC router I think can push something
43:20
like 800 megabit um through the the
43:25
lanport like it can actually route at
43:28
that speed and I'm just like oh yeah no that that's the kind of consumer routers
43:32
we need um but because Cisco is a public
43:36
company and Cisco is accustomed to the kinds of margins that exist on
43:40
Enterprise grade networking gear which is basically like a one-time cost you do
43:45
the R&D there's a software there's a software component that is a huge part
43:50
of what that costs them but the actual Hardware I mean if you take apart a
43:55
$5,000 or a15 ,000 or a
43:59
$50,000 switch I can pretty much guarantee you okay maybe the $50,000 one
44:04
but something like a $15,000 switch I can pretty much guarantee you're not
44:08
going to find anything more complex in there than an Intel core
44:12
I3 no way there's no way so they're
44:15
making money on the solution rather than on the actual bomb cost so they could
44:20
sell as many as they want and no cares
44:23
were given about the R&D anymore because they moved a bunch of them so anyway
44:27
what lynxis did is it's a consumer brand so you can't make that much on it
44:31
consumers actually buy based on the actual freaking chipset that's in it if
44:36
you're not spending money making that router you don't get to just say oh well
44:40
we are Cisco I mean they rebranded all the links this router Cisco is if that
44:43
was going to help we are Cisco therefore we are worth 40% more than anyone else
44:48
even though someone like ASUS is innovating hugely in the networking
44:53
space speaking of which this but more on that in a bit you can you can hold it up
44:57
and be van a white if you'd like um I don't think I can keep a
45:02
straight face while you do that
45:05
um right so Cisco
45:08
talk Cisco can't just slap their name on it and go oh well we're Cisco so you
45:12
should pay this much more for it so maybe they can only make 15% on each
45:17
router so even though that's profitable it's not profitable enough to not erode
45:23
Cisco's overall profitability as a company and then stockold ERS look at
45:27
that and they go oh Cisco's lost their Mojo because this business unit is not
45:33
um Apple can yeah apple can well
45:36
whatever not okay the Apple breaks every rule yeah most of the like especially
45:42
like Enthusiast custom PC market margins are like pretty much not even there not
45:48
that much um so so right so anyway that
45:52
that is that is all of that let's talk about this thing because this thing's
45:56
freak am I'm going to whip it out you're going to whip it out right here on the
46:00
live stream yep that's oh oh that oh I
46:03
was getting excited there okay
46:07
um I don't know you talk about it you tested it it has okay it has first what
46:11
is it it is a internal network card okay it's a pce
46:17
ac66 here what's it sure it's hot no I'm
46:21
just kidding it's not hot but it's hot like it's cool oh and it's red too and I
46:25
Drop It Like It's Hot oh God
46:29
Okay so we've been doing some AC testing H Potato Hot Potato here okay okay I got
46:35
it I got it I was screwing something in I got it okay calm down but you've been
46:40
holding the Hot Potato too long you're dead now ow no it doesn't kill you it
46:43
just burns your hands whatever didn't you ever play Hot Potato as a kid play
46:46
Hot Potato with a grenade no you play Hot Potato and then at the end you make
46:50
out what we can do that part if you want
46:55
no oh my God that got interesting um yeah this this
47:00
got out of hand very quickly I need a monacle so I can just put that on every
47:04
time I say something like that you know I found a place that has
47:08
monal for only like three bucks yeah yeah yeah yeah they have uh they have
47:12
silver ones and gold ones we have to dress up in like crazy old school suits
47:17
and wear monocles and go around with these um yeah we would get arrested so
47:21
quick fast like so fast that would be
47:25
fantastic but that same site has like everything like they have you know how
47:28
you can get grouo Marx glasses but they're always like stupid like the the
47:33
mustache is blue they're like like they're just like they're always not
47:36
quite they're not the classic one how do you get the they have the classic one
47:39
cheap they have battle ready swords for like 6070 bucks that are actually
47:44
capable of being like smashed against each other yeah so battle ready means
47:48
you can hit them against each other and they're not just going to fall apart
47:51
yeah which which oh man guys never Clash
47:54
swords that are not actually like like tempered and folded and whatever the
47:58
good things that they do to swords are because if those things break even if
48:02
they're not that sharp shards of metal like explode and it's bad not good yeah
48:08
like really not bad uh really bad not good why don't you just talk about this
48:12
card okay so as you can see from the just absolute Beast antenna array that
48:17
comes along with it with three individual leads that go into the back
48:20
of the card like that it's pretty heavy duty I personally haven't really seen
48:25
any internal cards that can really I mean this thing has a heat sink on it
48:28
look at it a beast heat sink yeah it looks like I mean this looks like a
48:32
graphics card from not that many generations ago that looks like a graphics card like a like 610 like a
48:38
lowend one yeah like pretty much like I mean it's smaller than a graphics card
48:42
yeah but like like you're getting close this thing's nuts so I've been doing
48:46
testing over the last little while and we've released one video well it we
48:51
filmed a video but it's not released yet no but we released one from before from
48:54
the launch of AC from CES oh oh on AC
48:58
from the launch of AC so at that point in time we had tested a Media Bridge an
49:04
n450 uh USB wireless adapter the Media
49:07
Bridge is just like receives and then goes to Ethernet um n450 USB adapter and
49:13
then a AC USB adapter um the AC USB
49:17
adapter was USB 2 so it was bandwidth capped and there's a whole bunch of other weird stuff and that was also a
49:21
launch adapter so it just was not very optimized the uh AC usb2 adapter was at
49:27
like 110 seconds to transfer a gig and just failed epically um the n450 USB
49:35
adapter hit around 95 seconds which is
49:38
not that surprising it's about where it should hit the Media Bridge crushed both
49:41
of those and came in at about
49:45
27.3 seconds I think and that's decimal conversion so that's not
49:51
273 like it's it's yeah it's decimal conversion and then this guy just barely
49:57
beat it within margin of error that if I ran a whole bunch more tests they'd
50:00
probably be pretty much equal um at like
50:04
26.98 I think that's again decimal conversion um so that's pretty awesome
50:09
and we're looking at uh gigabit Ethernet being at about 11 seconds not
50:13
theoretical like actual the test that I did with those files at about 11 seconds
50:17
so when you got Wireless transferring a
50:21
gig at 26 seconds 27 seconds that's
50:25
pretty freaking awesome and like installation was fine it's just
50:30
PCI 1X PCI e1x and then there's no
50:33
driver problems or anything like that so it's really good to see it's just
50:36
absolutely beast that's the thing I like about it like a lot of wireless cards
50:40
you put in your computer I'm always just like oh everything in my computer looks
50:43
absolutely boss and I have this like random stupid PCV that just looks dumb
50:47
and then this one's all red and has a huge heat sink and has like serious
50:51
business and 10A I don't know it's very cool makes you feel like you actually
50:56
bought something that was worth $100 yeah instead of a lot of the wireless
51:00
adapters that are just like oh this is kind of garbage um speaking of garbage
51:06
um apple is talking about nothing to do
51:10
with garbage actually so the rumor on the rumor on the street is that apple is
51:15
looking into building a smart
51:18
watch so what would be your take on this
51:21
basically the idea would be that potentially using like uh curved glass
51:26
um such as you know is available from Corning wear um Corning I don't think
51:31
they call it Corning wear when it's just the glass so Corning
51:35
um so some kind of you know processor
51:38
that hopefully won't get that warm if you're going to wear it on your wrist all the time so it would have the
51:42
functionality of something like an iPod but it would be a watch natural flesh
51:48
heat sink um Microsoft apparently tried something like this back in 2003 and I
51:53
say apparently cuz I never heard about it at the time just like mof's tablet
51:56
just like just like Microsoft you know pushed tablet and then the market just
52:00
wasn't ready so here's the question is the market ready for a
52:05
smartwatch I don't think so and I'd love to take Twitter I'd love to take Twitter
52:09
contributions on this guys so tweet is the market ready for a smartwatch how
52:14
does that fit into your daily routine
52:18
now there's two different angles that I'm going to come out with this at this from one angle is I don't think so the
52:22
other one is definitely um the I don't think unque position no I know the I
52:27
don't think so defitely think so not the the I don't think so angle is everyone
52:32
is going for bigger faster more powerful phones so the second you go to a
52:36
smartwatch that thing's useless and no one wants it but then at the same time
52:41
if you have a Note 2 and you want to do something really quickly you could just
52:45
go to your watch instead of pulling out this massive thing that's probably way too big for you so maybe it could
52:50
streamline the really really quick tasks that people want to do on their phone
52:54
who have things like note tws and Other M massive phones um and maybe people
52:58
find a use case in that but then if it's super expensive and people would need to
53:02
basically replace one or the other I don't think it's going to succeed well I
53:07
think we've seen time and time again that Apple finds way it's also Apple so
53:11
it'll probably be fun right so I mean
53:15
when the iPad was released most of the mocking that was done of of the iPad
53:20
was it's like a big phone but then
53:24
Apple's whole trick was well no no you need iPad and an iPhone yeah so they're
53:29
just going to add it as another and an eyewatch so there is no replacing going
53:32
on so I see the more likely use case
53:36
scenario but the okay weird I'm talking
53:40
but go ahead I thought you were you pointed at
53:43
me usually that's like flowing the conversation but or could mean you're
53:48
fired whatever um what was I going to say now
53:53
yeah but the like weird Apple my
53:56
like we can make people whatever think whatever they want kind of disappeared
54:00
with Steve Jobs okay but that doesn't
54:03
change the fact that okay okay and the funny thing again this comes to public
54:06
companies and the kind of scrutiny they get put under iPhone 5 is selling a butt
54:11
ton of phones yes but not at the scale
54:14
that it should be this is the exact this is the exact argument that you were on
54:18
the other side of the table for with Call of Duty you said Call of Duty is
54:21
dying Call of Duty sold very well it's just it didn't sell well on a scale you
54:25
can't FP like this hypocrite
54:30
um I also just don't really much care for Call of Duty
54:37
don't um okay whatever so iPhone 5 is
54:41
selling a butt ton of phones and that's lots of phones and all that's really
54:45
good but everyone sort of the Doom and Gloom I mean that the way that their
54:49
stock has just kind of been in freef Fall lately is that oh
54:54
well it's not selling at a there's no growth rate here so that's a big problem
54:59
so um right so even if the eyewatch is
55:04
not a success by Apple standards maybe it's not the next magical device like an
55:08
iPad do they still sell a buttload of units probably I think so yeah yeah I'm
55:14
if it's if it's released by Apple I'm sure it'll sell quite a few I know you
55:18
wouldn't buy an Apple product because you're some kind of a hippie no if they
55:21
release something that's good I will wow
55:26
are we if if I bought a tablet I would
55:29
probably buy an IP are we going to end up in this argument again
55:33
probably because the iPhone 4 is a good
55:36
phone okay mine's better yours was
55:40
released like two years later s was better I don't know about that you never
55:44
used it that's true but it was ugly so it was good looking okay okay okay never
55:49
mind never mind okay so the phone let's say or the the watch rather the watch
55:53
okay so let's say the watch is um an
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Android watch okay can you think of a way that that watch integrates
56:02
seamlessly with the Android experience you have with the Galaxy S3 what could
56:06
it do CU it's probably going to have an MP3 player in it which I think is stupid
56:10
you can you well okay CU I believe well
56:13
hold on it is but it's not if you believe in wireless headphones yeah
56:17
exactly then it's fine yeah but if you don't that's just weird unless you're
56:22
wearing like long that's still weird I mean if they had wireless headphones
56:26
that were like light earbuds but really lightweight yeah like if they had like a
56:31
separate battery in each earbud so they could each just kind of sit in your ear I mean that's probably coming at some
56:35
point or it probably exist yeah so like that makes sense but other than that
56:38
it's kind of weird um but then I could just as easily have my phone next to the
56:42
badminton court and I could be listening to it from there yeah okay I think one
56:46
way to make it work really easily is you could sync uh you could probably sync
56:49
your phone to it Bluetooth and then you could get like text messages and stuff
56:53
on your watch yeah but typing on it would be a nightmare I almost would use
56:58
it yeah you could use that's a good point definitely and I would almost use
57:02
it just to like check things okay because if someone texts me and it's not
57:06
important and I'm out doing something it would be nice to just be able to go like this or I guess this side go like this
57:12
you can buy two yeah um go like this
57:15
read it be like okay this is important I need to go grab my phone I need to go
57:19
deal with this or yeah okay you can talk to him later okay okay so that's that's
57:24
it so more than just time and date and alarms but also any kind of notification
57:29
so if it's an Internet connected device
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email uh Twitter text messages whatever
57:35
Facebook headlines headlines RSS stocks stocks um so then all of a sudden you
57:40
know what I think I've talked myself into this because if it's the problem
57:44
with any kind of a smart watch in the past I remember seeing like a
57:47
Kickstarter or something like that for a really crazy looking watch yeah that did
57:51
well actually I don't know where it's at now but it did well probably disappeared
57:54
because it's all about the ecos system that was what it's Android is it Android
57:58
pretty sure how well does it integrate with everything I again I haven't
58:01
followed it they might not even actually be manufactured yet remember Kickstarter can take while that was a long time ago
58:06
anyway so as long as it's integrated
58:09
well with an ecosystem that works I could probably get used to that idea I
58:13
think you'd have a hard time convincing a lot of people to wear a watch again
58:18
and I think one of the things that like you and me are pushing a lot of like
58:22
cool but pretty heavy duty Tech into the
58:25
watch it's going be interesting seeing them releasing something that powerful
58:29
that doesn't burn your wrist off but I think we're pretty much there at this
58:33
point or at least getting close I mean if they were using a 22 nanometer
58:36
process node to manufacture something as powerful as an iPhone 3S even seriously
58:43
that would be one small power sipping chip that is capable of pretty much
58:47
anything You' need to do it no it's it's interesting um it would be cool to get
58:53
our hands on one would you buy one personally probably no how much would
58:58
you pay for one like if it was $2 you'd
59:01
buy one right okay if it was $20 would you buy
59:04
one depends on really $20 yeah wow
59:08
you're so cheap yeah if it was $20 you wouldn't buy an Android powered invest
59:13
okay this is that's a little bit biased but
59:16
anyways bear in mind it's made by it's made by Apple so it'll be like gorgeous
59:20
so $20 will be just fine right okay like it's probably the piece of glass on it
59:26
comes out and it's like oh it can get different clock apps and it can play
59:29
music then I'm going to be like no I don't care cuz I like my Tokyo flash
59:34
Jaan what if it does all of the things that we've discussed already then yeah
59:38
then you're down how much I don't know but a fair amount $1 pretty boss
59:42
probably 200 that's pushing it that's pushing it
59:46
okay because I'm not that interested in this particular product but if it was at
59:50
a $200 price point I think that would sell like crazy okay so the thing about
59:54
watches though is uh you know Mar expectations for the category would be
59:58
extremely high I mean if you're someone like Seiko or swiss how terrified are
60:03
you right now I think you're scrambling your butt
60:08
off trying to get a manufacturing partnership with some Android developer
60:12
because you know Android's probably going to fight back and try and release their own and you're probably just going
60:16
oh God make us be the next Samsung because I mean watch guys have been able
60:21
to figure out for a long time how to
60:24
sorry keep going how to charge way too much for things like yeah yeah but at
60:29
the same time I think the classic kind of large old school like CU people still
60:35
buy people will go and buy less technically Advanced watches to get the
60:40
intricate really really nice really really finely done watches because it's
60:44
a Prestige thing okay and times change there was also a time when a cell phone
60:49
was a status symbol because it was and you wanted it to be big and you wanted
60:52
to show it off and you wanted to talk on it whereas then the trend was let's make
60:57
them as small as we freaking possibly can then that reversed and now they're
61:01
getting bigger I mean the the the the technology thing has taken over analog
61:08
stuff Y in in almost in almost every category you look at so what does that
61:12
mean for a traditional business like
61:15
watches where I think and Apple's so
61:19
good at product placement that's true they can make it an iconic fashion
61:24
statement movies whatever put it out there so no matter how much money Rolex
61:28
has to spend on product placement for rolex's which is I pretty much guarantee
61:33
you anyone here who owns a Rolex a huge chunk of the money you paid them was not
61:37
for the Rolex it was so that they could pay actors to wear them but anyway go
61:41
ahead and like placement and having stores in Las Vegas and like all that
61:44
kind of stuff yes um I think the big
61:48
thing is because watches are still a huge fashion statement out of all the
61:52
people that you know that wear watches most of them are probably wearing
61:56
because it looks very nice okay so that might apply to the 40 and 30 somethings
62:00
that's more what I mean but what about 20 years so let's say let's say apple
62:04
releases a watch within this calendar year what about in the year
62:08
2033 when an entire generation of people
62:11
has now grown up with the concept that a
62:14
watch should tell you your text messages
62:17
and you should be able to just kind of yell at it that the restaurant you're in
62:21
isn't very good and it'll post a one star review on your Urban Spoon like
62:25
that's interesting very interesting because there's constantly stuff online
62:30
oh my three-year-old daughter was with me in the dentist office and had no idea
62:34
what this magazine was and didn't and was trying to scroll down the page and
62:37
stuff and I'm just like like no idea I I told you that story yeah just like that
62:41
blows my freaking mind so you probably have a point there so the watch business
62:46
could just be dead in yes years the same
62:49
time they might be able to kind of
62:52
maintain because well Niche yeah well by
62:57
adapting is my kind of thing because I think apple is going to go out
63:01
manufacture their own do everything on their own like they always
63:04
do uh Google is going to go okay we're building an Android platform for watches
63:09
of course this is all speculation we're building an Android platform for watch
63:12
we have no idea if any of this is true not a clue
63:17
um uh we're building an Android platform for watches we need manufacturing
63:22
Partners right people are going to step up people are going to adapt their game
63:25
going to come out we can make this awesome looking watch you guys load the
63:29
software on it we're good to go or they're going to be Kodak and they're going to say no it's a fad and they're
63:34
going to be Kodak that's true or they'll be Kodak or
63:39
Polaroid or they'll be uh Zer Xerox
63:42
giving away Mouse in UI yeah so um so
63:47
yeah so that's our little talk about the potential yeah Thompson in the twitch
63:52
chat says Apple will patent the wrist strap
63:56
apple apple will somehow pen the word watch yeah and like you know the hands
64:03
that move around it or something um no we invented this yeah I
64:07
have no idea what you're talking about that's blasphemy we invented this I
64:10
thought that was I thought that was pretty cool um next up we have ah
64:17
yes so um I'm just going to say that I can't
64:23
say much about it but there is in the
64:27
mail right now Saturday
64:31
delivery a product that slick and I are
64:34
both extremely excited to get our hands on
64:39
I'm going to work on the weekend and be happy about it yes you
64:43
are and I'm not just saying that and
64:47
this is not a hint this has nothing to do with what
64:53
might be in the mail um people aren't even posting it in the
64:58
in the chat they're still talking about watches the color of this &em has
65:02
absolutely nothing to do with the oh
65:06
yeah you can have an m& if you want n what I have to steal it from you have to
65:09
steal it yeah you can't here no no it's
65:13
okay now you have it holding I don't want it you touched it it's gross
65:17
um so we have heard some things there's
65:21
rumors all over the place there we go holy crap I think the stream is really
65:24
far behind I don't know if you guys saw
65:27
the uh the rumor did you see that there was a posting I think it was Amazon or
65:31
new egg or some retailer posted a oh
65:35
yeah yes posted a product listing for the Titan card which is based on the
65:41
same GPU as NVIDIA's Tesla card so those
65:45
are compute level cards this isn't necessarily what we're talking about
65:48
that's in the mail no this is an entirely different conversation what
65:52
what was what's in the mail I don't know what's mail I is that like old
65:57
technology okay yeah M yeah yeah um so
66:01
there was for for Titan which is what a lot of people in the twitch chat are
66:05
talking about I have no idea why but for Titan um there was a there was a
66:09
mistaken listing an early listing on one of the retailers that had it for
66:14
$1,500 did you see that you saw that right
66:18
$1,500 had it with six gigs of RAM yep
66:22
um some ludicrous clock speed I think was it a 512 bit bus I think it they had
66:29
it listed as a five yeah I'm pretty sure they had it listed it was [ __ ] yeah
66:33
52 bit bus um so B would which would
66:36
make it by far the most expensive and
66:40
most complex um graphics
66:45
card ever like ever by far so we have
66:49
something in the mail that's not at all related to that that we are extremely
66:53
excited to check out and when we can talk about whatever may or
66:58
may not be in the mail we are incredibly excited about talking about that
67:01
whatever that is I just wanted to let you guys know that you can expect a
67:05
lonus tech tips video uh which we should probably be calling slick Tech tips
67:10
because he's going to be the one testing whatever may or may not be in the mail
67:14
hypothetically testing it the the thing that has something to do with this
67:17
nothing to do with that I don't know what is that why haven't you eaten that yet I gave it to you to eat you're just
67:23
going to steal another one and put that one back or something it's all about being deceptive with you so uh so yeah
67:28
guys um not everyone is going to have anything to talk about with relation to
67:32
this but we will um I see some comments in the twitch chat about the Aries 2 we
67:37
did get our hands on Aries 2 today but we only had about half an hour with it
67:42
so all we got done was an unboxing unfortunately but we did get like a nice
67:46
close look at it and I mean performance isn't exactly rocket surgery with that
67:50
card it performs like 2 797s in crossfire gahz edition cards that are
67:57
overclocked that is all I get asked a lot lonus how does a GTX 590 perform
68:04
well it performs exactly like two 580s that are slightly underclocked and
68:08
running an SLI there's no magic that
68:11
goes into a dual GPU card a dual GPU card is two single GPU cards with the
68:18
exception of a little bit of efficiency that might come from combining the vrm
68:23
and having it all in one card so there's a little bit less waste was that that
68:27
was all you were going to say I know that I'm just making sure but in terms
68:32
of the actual connectivity some people have speculated to me that there's
68:36
voodoo magic that goes on because the gpus are closer together and can
68:40
communicate better no they can't no they're not they're just as far apart
68:44
pretty much and the way that they communicate on that PCB together is via
68:49
an SLI Bridge or a crossfire Bridge that's all it is instead of a physical
68:53
Bridge that's separate it traces in the form of a bridge they didn't redesign
68:57
the GPU to build a dual GPU card I'm let that sink in for a
69:04
minute all right getting like getting
69:07
the manufacturing down and the R&D to make sure that it works all that kind of
69:10
stuff is a little bit yeah it's already enough but like it doesn't just
69:15
magically do better yeah honestly I prefer multiple
69:20
if you if you need that much I would prefer to go multiple single gpus
69:24
instead of one big grouping of gpus this
69:27
is a segment that I've wanted to do for a while actually so we're going to go
69:32
ahead and fire this up so if you guys aren't already
69:36
active uh oh hold on if you guys aren't already active on
69:41
the Linus Tech tips Forum uh this is a new segment that I'm going to be pulling
69:45
from the live stream from the lineus
69:49
tech tips forum and it is going to be called featured worklog of the week so
69:55
there is a section of the Forum that is all about sort of builds that people are
70:00
working on and this one just stood out to me like crazy so this is by The Forum
70:05
member Doug and hopefully there's a way to zoom this in some more because Doug's
70:10
rig deserves to be shown off in more
70:13
Glory than I am able to give it right now with this feeble pathetic right
70:18
click right click no no not not open
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image new tab open image and new tab open image and new tab open IM there we
70:26
go oh fail never mind open image in new
70:30
tab there we go all right so this is
70:33
Doug's blue and white Shinobi build
70:37
which is absolutely beautiful it's all about the little touches in a build like
70:41
this so for example you can see on his Corsair power supply he has covered up
70:45
the Corsair branding with a match it looks like he's actually painted it
70:49
looks like it yeah with a matching paint that goes along with the paint that he's
70:53
put on his SSD beautiful sing as well yeah he's
70:58
gorgeous sing he's destroyed the warranty on these components but Doug
71:02
doesn't care because he's an Enthusiast and damn it that's what enthusiasts do
71:06
look at the hard drives the hard drives are also blue connectors are blue
71:10
everything down to the last sort of detail is just freaking fantastic so
71:15
we're going to pull up this this other image this was the one that really stood
71:18
out to me so what I like about it is how plain and clean it is and yet how
71:26
how just like out there it is with that color scheme like I've been on the
71:30
record saying a number of times that I think that ASUS's mainstream board color
71:35
scheme can just go put itself in someone
71:40
else's computer and not mine but Doug has made it work dang it so he's found
71:46
Corsair fans that also have that weird blue he's got white ones up here so he's
71:52
got blue and white he's done his sleeving very very Tastefully some
71:56
people do the one accent one some people do alternating I like what he's done
72:01
here because it's random but not random
72:04
like it just oh it just looks good it's random but it works yeah he's sleeved
72:08
his SATA cables as well so those look really sharp right here and actually in
72:13
terms of customization there's not much he's done all he did was cover the logo
72:18
on his water cooler okay or remove it
72:22
rather uh he has covered this with a
72:25
piece of metal okay so you can't see the mounting the mounting points for the
72:29
optical drive he's covered up this he's done some sleeving he painted his hard
72:33
drive in his SSD and that's it but it
72:37
looks really good the effect is more than the sum of the of the mods that
72:41
he's done so I thought this was a really really awesome rig and I'd love for more
72:46
of the lonus tech tips Forum community members to post their Rigs and I'm going
72:50
to make a point of choosing one at least one per week to Showcase during the live
72:54
stream so that everyone else can admire their work as well and we're going to
72:59
man I can't wait until vb5 goes gold
73:02
look at that though just that's fantastic beautiful sleeving on this I
73:07
haven't seen this one I really really like build doogs I won there a lot but I haven't seen this guys yeah no this one
73:12
just just really really really stood out to me so I thought that was really cool
73:16
wanted to share that with you guys I hope you enjoyed that gorgeous build I
73:20
actually you know what it's funny because normally the first thing I do when I look at a computer is I go oh
73:25
what components did he use and was that balanced and blah blah blah blah blah I
73:29
mean normally any any machine with a single 120 mm pre-done water cooling
73:35
thing is kind of sort of off my radar in terms of coolness Factor but what he's
73:39
done yeah is he's turned it into a system yeah not a some of the parts I
73:43
don't even know what graphics card he has didn't even look did you look did
73:47
you even notice no I noticed that I had the nice white accent yep that's all but
73:51
that's all he turned that computer into a work of art that is more than just the
73:55
Su of the parts so I thought that was exceptional and without actually that
73:59
much work I bet it took him a lot less time than I'm spending on my
74:03
ring yeah but I'm still sure it took him time like there was some really really
74:07
nicely done stuff in there that's true the the SSD cover was awesome the
74:12
removal of the logo on the Block was like it's all done very well it's
74:15
Quality quality work have you um have you read any Surface Pro reviews none
74:20
how do you not have any time to read anything what
74:26
where did that come from uh Surface Pro it's kind of a big deal uh made by this
74:30
company called Apple they they make a lot of tablets no was made by Microsoft
74:33
so Surface Pro I know of the Surface Pro I've read some Surface Pro reviews and
74:37
there not super fluent in it I know it's awesome but has really low battery life
74:42
all right stolling okay you're unfired ones okay um so the Surface Pro guys the
74:47
Surface Pro is out I've been asked to talk about it I don't have a unit
74:50
unfortunately um I don't really have a hookup with Microsoft hard to be
74:55
perfectly honest even the surface I'm going to I'm going to make a little
74:59
confession here I went and bought one and then I returned it cuz I didn't have
75:03
the money to keep it it was it was good it yeah it was good if I was going to
75:08
buy a tablet I would have seriously
75:11
weighed my options and considered a surface uh versus the iPad 2 that I use
75:16
now um actually versus pretty much anything I really liked surface so
75:21
Surface Pro steps up Microsoft's game in a couple of big ways number one is
75:25
they've added an x86 processor in this case it's an Intel processor which just
75:29
makes it like everything else looks like
75:33
a dog and pony show the fastest tablet out there well well when you compare it
75:37
against more traditional tablets running Tegra 3 processors um you know S4
75:42
processors running Apple processors just everything looks like a joke compared to
75:47
Surface Pro it's pretty Beast yeah so there's that keep x86 compatibility
75:52
meaning you can install any Windows compatible application on it that runs
75:56
on win 8 totally boss totally boss totally awesome um not because because
76:03
Microsoft opted for a high performance processor I can't remember is it a core
76:07
I 3 I I don't remember what it is like I said I did wanted to say I didn't read
76:11
about it because I didn't read about that much it's a real Chip not an atom
76:15
so unlike ASUS's Vio Tab smart which can
76:19
run x86 applications but isn't particularly high performance but does
76:22
get about 8 Hour battery life which is good the Surface Pro is just way faster
76:28
but suffers big time in terms of battery life so it only gets three and a half 4
76:32
and a half hours of battery yeah which I personally
76:37
find underwhelming it's hard to take
76:40
seriously these days because here I'm gonna I'm going to harp on why don't you
76:44
tell them what you do know about Surface Pro do back in a minute we covered most
76:48
of what I do know about Service Pro um the main reason why I was excited is the
76:52
x86 compatibility um come from a
76:55
programming school so tablets are pretty much useless for me other than reading
76:59
textbooks but and and like when I first showed up to my first class in
77:03
postsecondary I was like oh I want a tablet so I can like take notes on it
77:07
and I was like oh wait I can't install anything that's useful for me in this class yeah so it was just not feasible
77:12
so Surface Pro makes it actually feasible um so yeah Surface Pro does
77:15
that the thing that bothers me about it though is it's not a tablet in terms of
77:19
its form factor I wouldn't even consider or in terms it's a tablet in terms of it
77:24
form factor sorry it's a little thicker than a normal um but it's not AET in
77:27
terms of its battery life which to me is a big part of Mobility I would not and
77:32
you can I'll go on the record saying this in fact I'm doing it now I would not upgrade my iPad 2 to an iPad 3 or an
77:38
iPad 4 if you gave me the option to do a straight swap I wouldn't take it go
77:43
ahead and ask me why it be better life that's right you answered your own
77:48
question before whatever man uh iPad 2
77:51
has better battery life than either iPad 3 or iPad 4 which for me because I only
77:56
use it occasionally the only convenience
78:00
that comes out of a tablet is knowing that when I pick it up it still has a charge on it that's that's it that's the
78:04
only compelling thing about it I mean it's a tablet it's stupid you can't type
78:08
on it we were thinking about using a tablet as our slate before shots yes the
78:13
Slate is you write like the shot number and the take number and the scene number
78:16
Mak it easier in editing and then you do The Clapper thing and Diesel complained
78:20
that we didn't slate he's got a point but we totally didn't he does have a
78:25
um so we're thinking about doing that but then we're just like ah if it runs out of battery life then we're screwed
78:30
I'd rather just have a whiteboard and a marker because we know it'll always work
78:33
so so that to me is the convenience of a tablet and a tablet that only has a
78:36
4-Hour battery life is not a tablet to me that's a notebook even though the
78:40
form factor is gorgeous in a tablet and it still has the kickstand which I still
78:44
think is awesome but if I was going to buy something and Surface Pro is not
78:48
cheap it's around a thousand bucks if I was going to buy something like that why
78:51
don't I spend an extra $200 and get an AC S7
78:55
this laptop is Freo this is an awesome
78:58
notebook it has Gorilla Glass up on here it's super slim it's
79:04
about as thin as an iPhone well it's a little thicker than an iPhone 4 but it
79:08
is super slim it's okay the iPhone 4 is upstairs um I was going to grab it has a
79:12
1080p IPS screen so 1080p just like the surface pro has a full keyboard it is
79:18
light enough that I can hold it with two
79:21
f with one finger like this so it is actually
79:25
legit light enough to just oh yeah there's oh yeah there's an SSD okay here
79:29
here here let's do the uh size comparison with the SSD there you go so
79:33
it's extremely slim um it's light enough that you could legit walk around with it
79:37
in one hand and use it as a touchscreen device like a tablet why don't I just
79:41
get this because Surface Pro is not
79:45
really that much more portable because this folds so thin that you can tuck it
79:50
into I mean even by the time you put it in its sleeve it's not not much bigger
79:56
the only use case that I can even pretty much think about is remember when we
80:01
were flying to Vegas and I tried to whip out my laptop on the
80:06
plane okay right remember when I was like so in a confined space when you're
80:10
in a confined space which is not as applicable to most people in Canada but
80:14
around the world is more and more applicable it's kind of yeah trying to
80:20
use needing to use the keyboard when you're cramped up is difficult if you
80:24
can go like this and just tap on your tablet way easier but then this is a
80:28
touch screen is it not it's a touch screen so then you could use it in that
80:31
case with an on screen keyboard so here think about it so put yourself in a
80:34
plain seat and hold
80:37
this okay oh oh oh oh don't worry you
80:41
got this you got this under control can you use that on a plane um not even
80:46
really the keyboard because the same kind of situation but then the screen is
80:49
perfect easy to use of course I'm spinning I'm going to hit the table oh
80:53
barely made it if I type you that would be one nice thing if you could install
80:57
an app that would make it so if you actually tapped on the screen that it
81:01
would bring up an on screen keyboard oh
81:04
my God I'm using pwm control to keep him spinning cuz he hits
81:08
me with full force a rthm every time not
81:12
very keeps my momentum up so if you could actually tap on the screen I'm
81:16
going to try and keep this facing the cam that's not going to work if you
81:19
could tap on the screen and have it whoa
81:27
whoa this is what the live stream would be like if we were both like under the
81:31
influence of something like who Whoa man
81:35
if you could just tap on the screen then
81:39
stop hitting it it's a nice laptop leave it alone oh okay fine fair enough it can
81:43
handle it I know it can hand Gorilla Glass okay go ahead anyways if you could
81:48
if it like if you could maybe change what mode it was in and be like I only
81:52
want to use the screen and then have it so if it would react like a tablet so if
81:56
you click on a text area like a notepad if it would automatically bring up a
82:00
typing screen that would be cool is that available is that willing to bet that's
82:03
a thing I'm willing to bet that you can turn off that would be very cool there
82:07
has to be a way to do that like there just has to be because that would be fantastic like settings and one thing
82:12
that kind of solves this whole thing we is there it is it's in the charms menu
82:15
which is the convenient place in Windows 8 where you can access pretty much
82:19
everything settings keyboard touch beautiful but does that if I go to a
82:23
different app here Windows Okay Internet Explorer there you
82:29
go okay you're not showing them what you're doing but yeah there you go
82:33
keyboard I clicked in a text area so email phone number to log into Facebook
82:37
and that automatically brought up the keyboard so that's fine another laptop
82:40
that comes across this this has an awesome hinge but another laptop that
82:43
goes Bey above and beyond is the uh yoga
82:47
yes right the yoga so that's that's another that's one that has a hinge that
82:51
goes all the way around so you can use it as a tablet and as a notebook and is
82:56
actually not that expensive compared to Surface Pro as well so I guess to me
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Surface Pro fills a niche that I didn't
83:05
have however Haswell Haswell is going to be a big
83:09
deal because Surface Pro is using like a 13 watt chip or something like that like
83:13
it's it's low tens of Watts or like we
83:17
talked about this before we're both actually pretty surprised if you remember this conversation that they
83:21
didn't just wait we know they're under like marketing pressure all that kind of
83:24
stuff they something would be is going
83:27
to be so much better so Surface Pro 2
83:31
which has potentially eight hours of battery life all of a sudden thousand
83:35
bucks I may be buying one that's probably the Sweet Spot starts to be
83:39
like okay that's actually awesome yeah so Surface Pro one I think I'm I'm a
83:43
little bit I'm a little bit weary of uh where did that keyboard go it always
83:47
vanishes I know I think I'm I think it's always you who moves it I literally
83:51
never touch it because it's so small that I can't it
83:56
why did you spin me around in my chair until I couldn't see anything well that was just like
84:00
cool um okay so let's go back to Twitter for a little
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bit 389 new interactions I'm sorry that
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we've ignored Twitter you guys inter explor is the only we haven't done
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anything with that laptop yeah that laptop it's a laner unit so we haven't
84:14
exactly uh we didn't bother install browsers using stock stuff what are you
84:19
doing man can John just kind of um not
84:24
have inappropriate stuff all over his Twitter feed look at his at handle I
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know why does he do this cuz he's John
84:31
my friend is selling a 7970 and offered to trade for my GTX 670 and 20
84:37
bucks yeah go for it unless it has bad coil wine and
84:42
because you're buying it used you have the opportunity to check it out first are you excited for Bungie's new game
84:47
Destiny trailer this Sunday isn't it a little early to be excited if we don't
84:50
even have a trailer yet and I like with what uh what is it take two Studios I
84:55
like what the new company did with it I was a pretty big fan of Halo for Halo 1
84:59
and Halo 2 and then Halo 3 just completely ruined it for me and then the
85:03
newest Halo I played a little bit but I'm not exactly a console gamer at all
85:07
anymore so it was kind of awkward because I'm like how do I do things what
85:12
you're spinning again just trying to imagine playing with a that's pretty
85:17
much it cuz keyboard mous or die but anyways it seemed a lot more polished
85:21
than like reach which was kind of terrible so no not particularly
85:26
excited uh good question Scott you have
85:29
to figure out where the green wire would be and uh Bridge those ones um don't
85:36
guess wrong though what's the best computer case for 70 bucks hard to say
85:39
there's not that much that's that great for 70 bucks uh probably a cheap Cooler
85:42
Master would be your best bet yeah and the MSI Interceptor is on sale for
85:48
$49.99 is the Shinobi around 70 bucks
85:51
sometimes on promo I think it is watch for PR
85:54
that's where you're going to get your good cases at that price yeah uh with
85:58
the new consoles using eight core processors will feature PC games a better multicore support you know what I
86:02
would have said that last generation yeah cuz cell are Xbox has
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three cores which back then was a big deal and cell has how many cores does
86:11
cell have like six or something stupid like that remember I don't remember it
86:15
has a bunch of cores stronger though why because they didn't optimize it last
86:19
time right even though there was lots of multicore Awesomeness going on in there
86:24
still think it'll be a little bit stronger well we can hope uh we don't
86:27
need smart everything even fridges have the smart title I think phones are enough Mitch you're wrong and in 20
86:32
years we can have this conversation again and I can tell you how wrong you are because everything is going to be
86:38
smart and everything is going to be connected when okay um stuff like
86:42
fridges and stuff like washing machines that are all coming out with like
86:46
Wireless connectivity and all this ridiculous stuff sounds nuts until you
86:49
start hearing use cases of people that are actually developing stuff for it yes
86:53
um a friend and I worked on a Arduino
86:56
controller rig was it Arduino or was it
86:59
pretty sure it was Arduino um and we have it set up in the bottom of his
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apartment complex so that he can like he has it tucked in behind the washing
87:07
machine and the dryer so people don't see it and he just connects it together
87:12
and then puts his wash in and it sends him an email when it's done right so he
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doesn't have to keep checking on it random times or even bother to figure out how long the thing takes because it
87:22
just sends him an email right away and the problem right now is how fragmented
87:26
it is because there's all these competing companies and all these
87:29
competing standards once someone strong enough whether it's a general electric
87:34
or whether it's like once someone strong enough comes in and says no this is how
87:39
we're doing it and standards can start being built around that then we're in
87:43
for very exciting times what if you're yes because honestly right now a
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lot of it sucks which is why you're going why do I need a smart fridge
87:52
because most of them suck right why do I a smart TV smart TVs are stupid they
87:56
don't work with a bunch of different file types and the webcam is terrible cuz most of them suck but it's coming
88:01
and these incremental improvements have to come AR drone V1 the one on the wall
88:05
behind me had a terrible camera not very good range the replacement has HD and
88:11
works with wireless end and goes much further like these iterations have to
88:15
happen in order to ever deliver a truly finished product now imagine this what
88:19
if your smart TV could do more than just have a touchcreen on the front that you
88:23
can browse the web and look at recipes on what if your smart TV inte or your
88:27
smart TV your smart fridge integrated with every single item you had in your
88:32
fridge using cameras all over the place knew you had a tomato and all you had to
88:37
do was go on your tablet look at a recipe and go I'm going to make that and
88:41
your fridge would send you a shopping list for all the things you don't have yet or you can even go hey fridge what
88:48
can I make tonight what can I make or what do you recommend me because the
88:51
fridge knows what you like because of reviews you've given it that's right and
88:55
and the food that you actually have inside of it your fridge could set up uh
88:59
I mean okay here here here so work this into something like what Amazon's doing
89:03
with um with their same day shipping what if Amazon gets the infrastructure
89:07
figured out to the point where they can do food within like an hour or two all
89:12
of a sudden instead of you know take out from a restaurant you might be ordering
89:17
through your fridge your fridge might go oh okay it's almost time for dinner um
89:21
Tuesday's our macaroni night it could place an order automatically with Amazon
89:25
they could deliver it to you 2 hours later the fresh groceries arrive at your
89:29
door you put them on the stove you make the food and then you don't even have to
89:34
even inventory food necessarily in your fridge so much so it becomes an exercise
89:37
in in run rate and replenishment I mean we're going back to the Milkman yeah
89:42
pretty much I was actually just going to say we're going back to the Milkman concept that's right we're going back to
89:45
the Milkman concept what happened to fresh
89:49
food it's gone fresh food might be making a comeback because of Technology
89:54
like smart fridges so there that is my argument for smart fridges and why
89:58
they're not actually stupid well they're stupid now yeah yeah but like it's it's
90:04
the future we're looking into and when he was talking about iterations of
90:07
things like the AR drone we were just talking about that with the Surface Pro
90:11
yes right right okay the second one is what we're like we said The Sweet Spot
90:15
that's a very good point you're unfired again where am I even at I'm not sure
90:19
anymore figure greeings from lvia what about the rumors of postponing the AMD
90:24
8,000 series till next
90:27
year can we even I don't know there was a there was a thing on Hardware Conns so
90:32
we can well that was on Hardware con we can talk about the article okay I didn't
90:36
read that so AMD has already said that they're going to be refreshing the 7,000
90:41
series um this was an article on Hardware conu where Hardware conu says
90:45
AMD said so I don't have any kind of validation from AMD about this seriously
90:48
I don't actually no I don't but the guy I was talking to today he he knew
90:52
nothing um so it's going to be somewhere between a 7800 series or 7700 series and
90:58
a 7800 series as a refresh um at least
91:01
so that much they're talking about now so while it might not end up being
91:04
called 8,000 series AMD will be releasing some kind of GPU product some
91:10
at some point um according to the hardware conu article sometime in the
91:15
first half of 2013 so it's not like they're just you know going to lie there
91:19
and sort of you know have NVIDIA just
91:23
kind of like rub Titan in their face it's not not going
91:26
to be quite like that guys so I'm I'm excited to see what they're actually
91:31
doing and it wouldn't be the first time
91:34
one of these GPU makers supposed GPU
91:38
makers has gone and pulled some kind of
91:41
Rogue BS CIA tactic I mean 8,000 to
91:46
9,000 Series NVIDIA as a retailer when
91:49
NVIDIA launched the GTX 680 we all f it
91:53
was coming in at $5.99 NVIDIA pulled a price move okay
91:58
nobody knew this none of the add-in board Partners which they're not called
92:02
for NVIDIA they're called abps oh no Adin board Partners it's aibs for AMD
92:08
anyway this these are important distinctions uh none of the add-in board
92:11
partners for NVIDIA even knew so they were all charging their customers
92:15
according to a 599 sell price NVIDIA Dropped a Bomb like the day before
92:21
launch and dropped the price to $4.99 before it even launched
92:24
and I suspect they intended this all along so a lot of the rumors and a lot
92:29
of the stuff you see out there is intentional leaks that are meant to
92:34
mislead the competition and meant to sort of generate stir up Buzz commun
92:39
stir the pot and get people talking the amount of Buzz that's going around about
92:43
Titan is just absolutely insane like oh
92:46
yeah it's crazy nuts it's absolutely ridiculous like we've seen stuff like
92:50
this before but this is kind of up there
92:54
for the amount of Buzz we've ever seen like it's it's kind of cool it's an
92:57
interesting new aspect that they're taking it's gk10 Chip all that kind of
93:00
stuff like that's that's cool but still got any more topics uh actually kind of
93:06
this is my uh we haven't really sat and taken very many Twitter questions like
93:09
we just took a few okay want to do some now
93:14
sure that's USB mic for under $100 uh which scene is the Twitter scene
93:20
there we go best USB mic for under1 $100 I haven't tried tried way too many USB
93:25
mics this might be a better question for
93:28
diesel at diesel the intern um but I've
93:32
had a lot of really good experiences and read a lot of really good reviews of blue mics uh BL I have a Blue Snowball
93:39
and it's fantastic is that under $100 yep oh okay and my brother has a Blue
93:43
Yeti which I think is a lot closer to $100 if not slightly over it might be
93:48
like 89 or it might be 110 I don't know exactly where it is but it's somewhere
93:52
closer to the $100 price point they're generally extremely well regarded so
93:56
maybe it's not really good maybe there's some obscure brand like from like latva
94:02
that makes a better one but if you bought a Blue mic you'd probably be
94:05
satisfied they're really really good what was that site you were talking
94:09
about sorry man got no idea no context
94:12
um Singularity computers apparently makes an awesome custom Prodigy build so
94:17
if you guys aren't afraid of clicking links on the uh Twitter stream then go ahead and check that out that's cool we
94:21
made ours in like yeah ours was done in like what two two and a half hours three
94:25
hours not even that's including filming time oh yeah that's true that included filming the whole process so is the 7970
94:31
Matrix work worth the extra um no idea
94:35
DK is making a water block for it you should check with them about that as for
94:38
whether it's worth the extra hard to say it does perform better it is as of right
94:44
now this exact moment the highest
94:47
performing single GPU card however what I would probably do is I would hold out
94:51
for a little while and see if any kind of higher performance single GPU card
94:54
comes out hey guys I'm back went on a trip with the family missed a lot am I
94:59
invited to the tech tips team anymore Nick you are the man and um you're as
95:04
invited as you ever were did we ever invite him to anything uh we were
95:08
talking about it and then there was no communication and then I closed
95:11
invitations for the mod team oh bummer we're currently not recruiting for the
95:15
mod team sorry ni sorry man um I would use a watch like that good what is the
95:20
battery life for that S7 not that great without the extra battery pack I'm not
95:24
that impressed it does have a pretty cool extra battery pack though but it
95:28
has a cool extra battery pack and it comes with it comes with it and mounts
95:32
and doesn't look stupid um so I think with the without the extra battery pack
95:36
I mean I haven't actually had it run out of battery on me yet or anything I I
95:40
haven't I haven't had it run out so it's hard to say I'm getting a Zonar Essence
95:44
STX next week because of Ulus yes you are cool now respect what is the best
95:49
AMD Mini ITX motherboard I don't even think there is a current gen one
95:54
I mean part of the problem is that uh pile driver and bulldozer uh put out so
95:58
much heat and the socket is so big and
96:01
there's so much overhead because of the mounting bracket it's really hard to build an ITX board for it so just go
96:06
Intel sorry um that that motherboard
96:11
yeah get a p8 z77 i whatever Deluxe the
96:14
good one yeah um was wondering what kind of hit to lifespan hold on I'll get
96:18
there oh no there's no there's no Windows 8 giveaway tonight actually I
96:21
could do one I have that copy of Windows 8 that I won at um
96:26
CES should we do another Windows 8 giveaway Just for Old Time sake sure but
96:30
this one's from us we can make whatever we want the question did you ever send
96:33
the prize winner to me from last week no
96:38
can you do that okay because you said you were
96:42
going to look it up you walked you walked to your computer and said I'm
96:45
going to go find it now I hope you can find
96:49
it I hope I can too okay so what should
96:52
we make our question for this week guys we're doing a Windows 8 Pro
96:57
giveaway um what's our question going to
97:00
be let's doesn't have to be about Windows anymore be about anything this
97:05
is ours now it's
97:08
ours you know what we never let them participate in the uh I I asked I asked
97:13
a question on Twitter and then we never actually took any of the answers what
97:16
was your question I don't remember like at all like do you
97:21
remember the black and yellow I that was uh guy sent it to me when I like first
97:26
started on Twitter and it was actually pretty boss buil he had an EMP power and
97:30
he had a lightning and you had all the stuff looked really good yes a 200 R is
97:34
a pretty good budget case I mean it's budget so it's not that great but when
97:37
are you going to get a 4k monitor I probably not until they hit 1500 to two
97:42
grand I think that's my
97:46
threshold I just upgraded my monitors I'm not looking for upgrade for quite a
97:49
while um I haven't upgraded my monitor in over three years now yeah yeah well
97:54
before before that one it was 6 years
97:57
for my main Monitor and the secondary monitor I was using it was like 10 or 11
98:02
years for that one so I was pretty much due time um James asks any personal rig
98:07
updates there will be a personal rig update coming soon I promise uh the
98:11
personal rig is being worked on right now well not right now the second
98:16
because I'm live streaming but it is being worked on I pretty much always rag
98:19
on him for it but he is actually making ground now you saw that worked on right
98:24
there the motherboard is in it I actually haven't seen that last I saw
98:28
was GED wings uh yeah GED wings are in it I'm tweeting updates so I'm tweeting
98:33
pictures as I go um I don't really watch his Twitter so know yeah whatever man I
98:39
just got 50 megabit down internet what router should I get honestly it's
98:42
probably not that important for 50 megabit apparently you stole a blue
98:46
emem why do you tell them we are we are
98:50
working on oh yeah this is this is something we are working on benchmarks
98:54
for the 8350 versus the 3570 so you finished one test bench already right
98:58
yes I did the 8350 is done no wait what
99:02
357k on Windows 7 I thought we were
99:05
going to test on Windows 8 only I just did you just veto that yeah since when
99:09
can you veto things what do you think this is since you stopped benchmarking
99:13
stuff okay uh okay here is apparently a
99:16
link to the Titan online retail listing careful about that yeah we're not going
99:19
to click on it it's okay um when is the NDA no idea or at least if we did know
99:24
we couldn't say where did you get the tea balancer I ordered it online they
99:28
have notification SmartWatches already Sony mobile yeah they've had
99:32
notifications yeah but I want like the whole shebang yeah and this is why
99:35
friends don't let friends push pull um no no too
99:41
scary um and no that was not a Galaxy 780 that was a Galaxy
99:47
670 DS sends a suest suggestion when you
99:51
say you're going to do Twitter twittery Q and A how about actually doing
99:56
it where did that card even go okay okay
100:00
look at the it says on the yeah 670
100:03
right there there um smart watches have no place I always lose watches anyway
100:07
slicks right there underpowered and generally not good well hopefully that
100:10
all gets addressed yeah why not a
100:15
gauntlet great question smart
100:18
Gauntlet just yeah I mean that would be
100:22
so blinging it's so big you're automatically ganger I feel like I'm in
100:25
like
100:29
reboot ah the pebble that's right that was the one that was the one I was
100:33
thinking of Market's ready whenever Apple says so or Apple's really good at
100:37
figuring out when the Market's ready just saying that's true uh Google Glass
100:40
is another crazy one that's going yes for Apple watch if they make a
100:45
fast easy and not stupid to use okay that's very important like it has to be
100:49
good and the problem is um without Steve around they've been releasing some crap
100:55
Steve was still around I'm sure it would be good I'm sure Google or Apple Maps
100:58
would never have made it relas jobs there um David says I would pay anything
101:02
for an omni tool from Mass Effect
101:05
yeah yeah don't need a smartwatch because I have a nice watch and I have a
101:09
smartphone but then again I used to say the same thing about why would I need a
101:13
smartphone if I have a pocket PC and a phone but that's two devices right
101:18
that's the same thing yeah
101:21
but okay it's two two as opposed to 2 to3 is that what you're trying to say uh
101:26
Sony SmartWatch Android watch okay battery life will be a problem since
101:29
watches shouldn't be too big however blinged out watches a lot of the time
101:33
are big yeah very often they're really big you could check things look at
101:37
customizable watch control your phone MP3 look at GPS while you're walking NFC
101:43
would be actually kindy cool NFC would be really cool NFC would be balling but
101:46
NFC just destroys battery life yeah so
101:51
I'd be really interested to see that some type of like uh not even
101:54
necessarily NFC but like RFID technology
101:57
right okay just for like unlocking gateways or whatever watches are like
102:01
cars just a status symbol no matter the tech not necessarily it is though you
102:05
can buy a $4 Casio yeah but in a lot of
102:08
CAS like he has a point though I think that little niched market of like
102:13
ridiculously stupidly high-end watches that'll still exist yeah yeah but that
102:18
won't sustain the company completely for every
102:21
$250,000 watch that Rolex gets to sell they need to move some $25,000 ones
102:26
they're moving more than 10 of those for every one of those like they you need
102:30
everything oh yeah sure and I I mean not every car is a stat okay right but fancy
102:34
ones are I don't think I own anything that's a status
102:38
symbol I was just thinking my car is not a status symbol not necessarily status
102:41
symbols to most people but you have some canot has definitely that's true okay we
102:45
have different status symbols than most people do that's true hey I have 12
102:50
copies of Dota 2 and don't need them uh Dan
102:53
my suggestion would be head over to linch tips.com head over to the Forum
102:57
and see if you can find some cool community members maybe even you know
103:02
make it a fun little game for yourself find someone who left a great reply for
103:05
somebody and then just award them a key because they're awesome that's key and
103:09
leave a a note in the thread great reply thanks so much and we appreciate your
103:15
Pat would that would be boss if you did that that would be very well yeah
103:18
they're out there but not selling well again it's all about the Apple Factor no
103:22
one's really marketing them that hardcore yeah apple will Market it
103:26
hardcore okay no to the watch why don't
103:30
you just smash a glass bottle on your wrist what would you do if you fell over and SM I mean come on man you could make
103:34
the same argument about a smartphone why would you carry a piece of glass in your pocket if you fell over it could smash
103:38
it and hly it's going to be not glass
103:41
all the way around here and then glass just on the very top this be very very
103:45
very durable glass on sorry James sorry James Apple will find a way to make
103:48
people want one Ubuntu phone we've talked about Ubuntu phone at CES
103:53
slick and your ideas are good but the problem is the size so doesn't have to
103:57
be that big but screen size he's right screen size could be a factor although I
104:02
mean the thing about a watch is it's very sort of you know if you can't see
104:05
very yeah you're going like this like it's going to be pretty close closer
104:09
than most people hold their phones and as long as it has a retina display like
104:13
uh and I see look at me using Apple's branding terminology for things as long
104:16
as it has a high pixel per inch display high resolution high resol high pixel
104:21
density display High a display as long as it has a retina display I'm sure
104:25
it'll be fine not time yet when they can
104:28
make the Smartwatch replace the
104:31
phone or process for something like Google Glasses then maybe but that's how
104:35
the ecosystem will work is the phone might be like a processing offload for
104:41
the watch and the glasses that's what kind of what we were talking about is you connect it to your phone and then
104:45
your phone would actually do everything EOS to the watch
104:48
everything on the subject with the texting you can set up a quick message
104:52
so instead of typing you can select text just like when you're on your phone and
104:56
you get a text and you can be like sorry I can't I'm driving or whatever or when
104:59
you get a phone call you can reply with a text so that could be a really cool thing uh yep yeah there's the pebble
105:04
again which is really really cool I don't remember anything about it but I read about it at some point and I
105:08
thought it was cool what will it do and will there be internet plans how will it
105:12
work I'm sure there'll be internet plans what if it's not you're going to find
105:16
some way to try and monetize it for the
105:20
isps okay maybe there will probably be Wi-Fi and 3G version and Smart Watchers
105:24
could be kind of like a pager so we could be back to the pager concept it
105:27
could also just be tethering yep oh yeah it could just tether your smartphone
105:32
Apple will pull it off anyway I think that when we're okay so uh recommend
105:37
water cooling tubing Primo chill Primo Flex LRT yep that's it we have some like
105:43
right on the other side of that one yeah because it's the best it's for my personal rig only only the finest the
105:50
finest tubing my tubing status symbol
105:54
all right guys I think that is pretty
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much it we actually ran 15 minutes over today thank you for tuning into to the
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live stream and we will see you guys next time uh I don't think I had any
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more topics that I really really wanted to talk about oh yeah the Penny's gone
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in Canada that was something I wanted to talk about like two weeks ago yeah
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that's been a bit um and that's pretty much it good night
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everyone or good morning or good afternoon or
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I don't know good whatever is in with span of 24 hours good noon actually no
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it won't be quite noon anywhere because it's a quarter quarter two the hour so
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oh yeah so that's not really a thing yeah
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um good evening possibly didn't cover
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that yet possibly good dinner supper good
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night good night
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oh my God just stop the stream good night you need to go to bed I need to go
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home you don't even know the reference do you no I don't oh okay well where is
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it from here we go here we go here we here we go here we go here we go I might
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know once you show me but I don't think so okay Monty Python job interview come
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on have you seen it yeah okay well for those of you who haven't seen it I just
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haven't seen Monty Python in a ridiculously long time remember to make
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it quiet or at least mute so there the uh there's the silly job interview no no
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I'm going to I'm going to turn it off so hopefully they can I really enjoy interviewing applicants for this
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Management training
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course
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morning good afternoon good afternoon
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yeah why did you ring the bell why do you um sounds pretty good
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he's doing the uncomfortable hands thing yeah so uh so yeah so that that that was
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the reference there that wasn't just random and we're actually turning off
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now