Another One Bites the Dust! - WAN Show Apr.27 2018
Linus Tech Tips
·Linus Tech Tips
·2018-05-06
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yes
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hello ladies and gentlemen welcome to the WAN Show we've got a
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fantastic show planned out for you today at least i think we do i wouldn't know i
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had nothing to do with the planning hooray hooray but in all seriousness
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we've got a couple of guests one of whom
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is another creator that we have actually never collaborated with before so that's
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pretty exciting and the second is someone whose final day
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here at Linus media group is today we are doing uh oh yeah i guess you
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probably didn't know about that we are doing a fight i didn't know they
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were coming off yeah yeah we are doing a farewell farewell stream for for one of
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our one of our staffers who's been here uh
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over a year now actually wow it's amazing how time flies so we've got a
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bunch of great topics lined up for you um including Intel's 10 nanometer delay
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Intel is i mean is this like the first time
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in how many decades that Intel hasn't been
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at the bleeding edge of process node tech it's gonna be really interesting
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because they might be in trouble um apple apple to move touch digitizer and
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wait what does that even mean that called oh oh apple's ditching 3d touch
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jim keller joins Intel this is big news if you don't know who jim keller is
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basically he's like uh CPU design
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like jesus i went with jesus to make it like not
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sort of offensive did it help at all no
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okay what else we got uh Windows 10 redstone
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5 gets telephony apis hinting at a surface
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phone um which i thought i thought they learned their lesson already on that one
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but maybe you know second time second time give it
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give it another shot give it another shot all right so speaking of giving it
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another shot let's give another shot at rolling this intro
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oh does it matter that i moved this window is that a problem
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i have no idea like are we using like screen cap to capture that i think from
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a different thing though okay i think it's okay so hopefully all of that is
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fine i'm getting a bunch of messages hopefully that's
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not a problem uh oh oh we forgot to uh we forgot to do
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uh a tweet the land show is live
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all right so
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i got to do a thing real quick here like that thing and also this thing
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the when show is live
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twitter like totally finds this stuff so does youtube so does facebook and they
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just super bury it yeah every week we'll
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tweet the same thing right hey our show is live and
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those platforms will specifically go out of their way to
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be super duper sure that no one would want to know that
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and what is going on right now
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what what how do i not have what what are you
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calling yourself how am i calling someone i
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it's not and hangouts crashed so hangouts is
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crashed it's calling someone and somehow
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have you seen me take my phone out of my pocket this phone not not the iphone
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from my back pocket no no somehow it was awake
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so far i think this is the the like smoothest start to win ghost phone in
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quite a while ghost phone
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there's nothing i can do about these kinds of things it's not my fault at a certain point it
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can't be oh my goodness it's also incredibly hot
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in here yeah wow it's getting hotter i think you can
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see like my face is glistening that i don't think that's like a lighting
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problem no me too i'm sweating it's only april and it's already getting to be
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like summer weather here all right yeah so why don't we jump into our first
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topic here and why don't we just invite our guests so
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let me see if i can figure out how to do it
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and click on the thing click on the thing other thing
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wrong thing
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hey look it's us there we go
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hi so welcome to the show jason how are you doing uh we are fantastic a
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little frazzled and a little warm yeah uh but otherwise fantastic how are you
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it's friday uh tgif i know right as if it meant
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anything
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wait you're telling me i don't get the weekend off yeah i know well you're you're not
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exactly new to the youtube game so this shouldn't be much of a surprise to you
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so uh yeah we've all we've already got we've
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already got people being like holy crap never knew tech deals name in
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our twitch chat yeah
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jason who there's actually a lot of that going on right now so why don't you do a
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quick intro to yourself or anyone who hasn't stumbled across your videos over
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on the tube uh my name is jason i run a youtube
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channel called tech deals and i do basically tech deals i do tech reviews
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and the best deals and builds and all sorts of fun stuff uh just just picture
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me as a much smaller younger version of Linus like five years ago
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wow i mean with all the with all the shade
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that this guy was throwing even before the show started i was worried we were
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gonna have to bring in some more lights or you wouldn't even be able to see our
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glistening foreheads here and he's keeping it up so uh
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you can find his channel uh over here
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five things to consider when buying an SSD is the
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what is it what do they call that a channel trailer now whatever they call
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that the featured video on your home so giveaway and review 80 plus power supply
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1050 versus 1050 ti 2018 update
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okay why does that need to be updated
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because people like that stuff because people want to know how like the new
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games play uh far cry 5 and stuff like that huh
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wow we used to do similar content to that and you're like why does that need
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to happen back back in the house back in the
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garage i'm busy i'm busy rg being things
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he knows rgbing things today if your brain was
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just a little bit younger it would have been malleable enough to remember that
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now you what what is this like attack Linus show
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the lancho well you answered the question
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you answered the question of where he could be found with a youtube link
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instead of mentioning the new thing ah yes so i totally
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screwed up and it's it's totally my fault that especially luke is going
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after me you have a here i'll fix it mind you uh oh okay you just don't have
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a thing all right all right you can find him there can i okay so this is this is
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pretty cool so the thing that we're announcing here is that jason is going
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to be the second non-Linus media group creator to show up
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on flow plans
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nice tech tips bit with ultra and right there tech deals is now live on the
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platform um and obviously we've had a look at some
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of the stuff you've got up on youtube but what do you have available now for
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people to check out over on Floatplane we have got some early access videos
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over there the may uh 2018 unboxing is
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already there with uh more than a dozen cool things unboxed there's some
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additional testing of vram requirements there's a couple of behind the scenes
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videos that are exclusive to float playing just some uh uh interesting
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videos that you just won't see on youtube so cool stuff holy crap you've
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been really busy he's he's been on top of it what the is all this
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you've only had access to the account for like two days dude
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that uh the galax uh that galax is the first time i've ever tested a galaxy
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card cool
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sheesh all right
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well that's fantastic okay cool
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all right so why don't we actually do something that we rarely do on WAN Show
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here and actually get into a tech topic
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oh wow um so the this was originally posted on the Linus tech tips forum by
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samsee and the original article here is from tom's hardware
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uh but basically this this is absolutely
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huge Intel's 10 nanometer technology is and
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the headline says this is uh pretty pretty savage here actually is
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broken and apparently delayed until 2019.
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now if the rest of the industry were going through the same challenges this
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wouldn't even really be that newsworthy except
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that the word on the street is that AMD
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is already in the prototyping stages
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using seven nanometer technology from their partner global boundaries yeah
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yeah yeah yeah the um
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and this isn't to to add a little bit too this isn't rumor mill stuff i often
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complain like oh i don't like rumors this was from a i believe a
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shareholders call yeah so during their quarterly earnings call and this was
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yesterday Intel basically was like
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yup this is a thing
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i don't and it's not too surprising they've been like
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a lot of the news lately of like oh this person has been hired
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uh for Intel has been like them poaching from other companies pretty aggressively
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so it seems like they knew there was a problem they've been trying to pull people in to solve it
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i mean jason do you think they were trying to bury this news somewhat under
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an extremely strong quarter one earnings
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they were i mean they they had great earnings but their their desktop
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business is flat it's their services business that's up and it looks like
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we're going to be getting yet another iteration of 14 nanometer beyond coffee
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like believe it or not holy crap
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i mean this is kind of does this feel really similar to what started happening
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with gpus right around the 28 nanometer time yeah
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when is the last time AMD had the chance of having a CPU at a
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smaller production process than Intel
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i don't think i've been a computer enthusiast long enough for AMD to have
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even been on the same process known as Intel and i don't mean where they like
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Intel when it went ahead and then AMD caught up and then until when like i
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mean for AMD to have like launched at around a similar time with uh
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using the same manufacturing process as Intel so just for for those of you who
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aren't familiar with what this means there are a number of things that make a
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CPU or a GPU or any kind of processor
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inherently better so uh adding more cash for
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example adding smarter cash that is as long as it's not
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suffering from spectre or meltdown related issues um my minor problem
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increasing the clock speed uh all of these things help so architectural
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changes to the design of the chip and how its logic works
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these help performance and can potentially help efficiency but
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the kind of freebie that for decades now
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we've pretty much taken for granted is shrinking the manufacturing process so
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the size of the transistors with a couple of notable exceptions this
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inherently makes the chips more power efficient and smaller allowing you to
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increase the complexity i mean that's why a CPU today can have in excess of
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like 20 megabytes of cash whereas back when i was getting into this stuff i
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mean having 256 kilobytes or 512
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kilobytes was considered did he just take jerky
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no he didn't okay never mind you know having
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256 kilobytes or 512 kilobytes was
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considered pretty darn good so AMD
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by manufacturing on a smaller
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process inherently has an advantage in terms of
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power consumption and chip complexity that Intel has just
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taken for granted for the last what 20 years
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yeah pretty much it's given them their huge advantage
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that's incredible so
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i mean there's a couple other just sort of housekeeping items here they're
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shipping cannon lake and low volume
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haven't pointed to specific customers or products
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and basically their multi-patterning process is generating too many yield
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reducing defects to produce 10 nanometer cost effectively so that's another thing
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that the layperson would not necessarily be aware of
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when you're manufacturing it's not just about can you make a CPU Intel could
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probably make a CPU at 10 nanometer or even a node or even
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two nodes below if all they had to make was one CPU and it could cost them six
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million dollars to produce or whatever the case may be um
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but for them to make it cost effective enough that they can bring these 10
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nanometer products to market and actually sell them at a price that would
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be acceptable to consumers and competitive with their own 14 nanometer
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products well for that you have to have a significant amount of the wafer actually
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be usable and they can accept small defects and you'll often see that in the
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form of something like a core i5 or a core i3 where they'll turn off some
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cache or turn off a couple of course that's perfectly acceptable
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but for them to not ship at all means they are not getting enough even usable
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dies to productize the thing
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well we may actually see AMD pull ahead in performance then for a change because
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ryzen's awesome but it's still per core not quite as fast but what if that
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changes by next year so one thing that's
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sort of a a potential asap AMD sleeve is that
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we've seen second generation ryzen
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and i mean whatever the hype train might have said you know our thoughts on it
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were okay i mean yeah it's it's more better for
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the same price i'm certainly not going to say no yeah
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no send it back make another reward to the improvements
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um but there was nothing revolutionary about it what we haven't
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seen from AMD yet is something that they have clearly indicated is on their
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roadmap and that is zen two so that's an actual architectural improvement to zen
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that's more than just okay we shrunk the node node a little bit like like a
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fraction of a node down and we've reduced power consumption a little
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bit even though it ended up not actually amounting to much and we've increased clock speed
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so can you imagine what the world looks like where AMD outperforms Intel
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i i like i it's kind of exciting because i think it'll light a fire under Intel
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again and we've been saying this for a long time it's going to be weird consumer
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wise because even if AMD is ahead of Intel in that
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way it'll be interesting to see how fast or even if the market really shifts that
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much because people have been ingrained to just buy Intel stuff for so long now
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i'm gonna go ahead i'm gonna say something that might be a little unpopular
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um with the AMD fanboys out there i don't think it's going to affect
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consumer choice very much at all that's what that's where i was kind of going with that is i i think people are still
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going to buy it i think yeah i think AMD is going to
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raise prices and the people who are going to buy AMD are going to buy AMD because it's a good
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choice and the people who buy Intel are going to buy Intel
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well that was kind of true back in the pentium 4 days when you had athlon xp
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yeah and in particular i mean the pentium 4 wasn't even the worst because
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the pentium 4 legitimately outperformed
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the athlon xp i mean the us AMD people you know i had a 2500
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plus and i overclocked it to 2.2 gigahertz which would have made it a
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3200 plus by bumping the front side bus from 333 to 400. okay
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no no crap no it was from 266 to 330 whatever whatever it was it was very
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confusing because AMD back in those days would actually have multiple models of
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the same processor at different front side bus speeds and then just with like
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different multipliers and because of board compatibility with
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because remember that was back when third-party chip sets existed yeah right
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remember via chipsets enforce
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last from the past i know right so so anyway i i had a 2500 plus and i had it
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overclocked to a 3200 plus which AMD very optimistically would compare to
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Intel's 3.2 gigahertz but if we're being honest with ourselves
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i was one of those people who was like you know what hyper threading is not
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real processor cores so you know what my 3200 plus is like as good as your 3.2
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gigahertz p4 um but in actuality hyper
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threading was a good thing and this wasn't something that i actually discovered until
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dual cores were sort of the norm in the enthusiast circles and i got my hands on
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a p4c 2.4 gigahertz so this was a northwood c
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and this was an m0 stepping this was a cool chip this is a 2.4
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gigahertz chip that was capable of like four plus do people hunt that stuff as
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much as they used to a p force a p4 800
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c d a p f p 4 c 800 e deluxe
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that's an ASUS board from back in the day that was actually the board that i
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had that i was playing around with this m0 stepping on and that was m0 stepping
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was out of like a salvage system someone had given to me when i built them a new
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one i was like you had no idea what you had here i mean
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dual cores were obviously still better but i was like oh hyper threading worked
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this is cool and overclocked man that thing was fast
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anyway what am i talking about again right a p4c800d deluxe those still go
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for a hundred bucks on ebay i look really i looked at it last week
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because we're planning like a blast from the past machine
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and we want to overclock the snot out of it and if you want to overclock the snot
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out of a p4c a pentium 4c um then you really do need
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a p4c800d deluxe and um so we are probably going to pay a hundred dollars
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for a 10 year old motherboard in the near future that's a crime
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a hundred dollars all i remember is that
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the pentium threes were good and then the athlons came out
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and i skipped most of the pentium fours because frankly
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yes you could get a pentium four that was faster but it costs so much more
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money than an athlon that's true
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the board was more expensive the chip was more expensive to get the most out
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of it you needed dual channel memory which back then was
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like can you remember that rambus RAM crazy expensive yeah rambus RAM i
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actually there's a gap in my pc enthusiasm in between the pentium one
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and uh the p4 post rambus
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so i never had to deal with round this memory
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you've never had rambus i have never had rambus in fact i don't think i've ever
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even talked about it so feel free to tell our audience for maybe the first
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time they've ever heard about it because they're uh if you if you listen to our
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our our haters they're all kids um so they yeah go ahead and educate them i
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wouldn't want to put a a a a hat on or anything but basically Intel wanted a
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piece of the RAM market oh did i say that out loud so they wanted to get
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everybody off of ddr RAM and they wanted to go to rambus because they had
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royalties and patents on it it was supposed to be faster and it was but it
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had higher latency and other issues or vice versa but essentially they thought
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that their market clout would force everybody and you could buy an athlon
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instead which used the cheaper ddr RAM and cheaper boards and yes pentium was
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10 20 faster but you paid
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double triple the money for 10 or 20 speed it was silly
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that would be a tremendous
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video standards that Intel has pushed over the
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years that died we've got rambus we've got btx
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we've got uh what what what else just like off the top of our heads could we
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uh uh oh oh oh do you guys remember vive
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v i i v no i don't think so oh man oh it was
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epic we had this uh we had this like like demo kit at the ncix headquarters
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that i don't think literally was ever
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taken out of its box i've seen this logo yeah yeah here hold on i'm gonna
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uh here here's a Intel press room technology brief i'm just gonna show you
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guys with my screen on my screen here here it is yeah baby Intel vive
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maximize your home entertainment experience
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this is Intel's brand for in-home entertainment pcs designed to transform
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how consumers manage share and enjoy abroad and growing aspartame of movies
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programs music games and photos
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oh man look at this look how like delightfully two thousands all of this
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looks like i recognize all the logos but i don't remember it at all it's probably because
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it's home theater and i didn't care well the other thing too is that it
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didn't matter at all because anything was vive
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it was just kind of a meaningless label that you could put on an htpc with
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like it was like the multipedia multimedia pc standard back in the 90s
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vr ready yeah like look at oh
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like look at these performance benchmarks they're like yes a vive
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technology oh by the way it's a pen tmd processor
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it's and then they compare it to just a p4 not vive and they're like oh
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yes vive is much more better but it actually is just like
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better cpus like here's a core 2 duo versus a p4571
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what is the point exactly that you're trying to make
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would you consider Intel's iatanium to be them trying to control 64-bit
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um you know what i don't know enough about the itanic to really comment on it
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um like in an in-depth technical way
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because it was server tech at a time when we did
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not dabble in server tech at all so what's your take because i feel like
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you wouldn't ask me if you didn't have an opinion well they were trying to move the
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industry off of their traditional x86
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which of course AMD had a license to and the idea was that they would have
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something that they could have exclusive and i'll bet an awful lot of people
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today don't realize that the 64-bit technology we use today isn't Intel's
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it's AMD's um that i itanium was Intel's attempt to
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get everybody off a legacy platform and sort of take contr they've tried
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multiple times over the years to try to retake control of the
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of the of the CPU business from AMD
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yeah i know
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it will be considering all the stuff that happened 15 years ago with pentium
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4 and and in athlon if
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ryzen 3 ends up being 7 nanometers before Intel gets there
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are you adding this to like no no but i
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will we like definitely i thought you were like i'm doing this during the show
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no no i don't think you'll forget that would be so that would be so much fun um
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so on the subject of all of this lighting a fire under Intel's butt i
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think we've got time for one more topic with you and i think this is probably
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the best one uh jim keller
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is joining Intel so this was posted by numlock21 on the forum and the original
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article is wccf tech so whatever you might think about them you
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can keep it to yourself because this is like a confirmed thing so just chill out
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um but basically i mean this is not even this is not even
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this doesn't do justice to to the guy's resume but it says AMD's zen and athlon
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64 CPU architect so pretty much
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the only times that AMD has built anything competitive with Intel in the
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last 10 years um
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the architect behind them jim keller has
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joined Intel so this is after stints at
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apple where i believe was he working on CPU or
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GPU at apple do you do you remember
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no no i can't i can't remember either and then he also did uh did some time at
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tesla uh so he left AMD for tesla most
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recently and then he was at uh apple in between AMD and uh AMD again i think
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can't remember exactly but basically the guy is a legend in the CPU design
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business and so now he
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and raja kaduri who was the head of Radeon technologies
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group under AMD are now both at Intel so if there was
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any doubt that Intel is making a big push here
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you can put that to rest it's gonna be interesting well he's he's
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he's he was essentially uh played a key role responsible for the good cpus that
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AMD frankly has ever designed because i don't know if you ever played around
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with the old k6 and k5 chips back way back in the 90s but
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they really struggled when they lost the ability to copy Intel's designs i mean
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all the way through the 386 and whatnot they could copy Intel but then they had
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to come up there k5 was late k5 was slow competing with the pentium right and
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then k6 was okay but then the k7 was
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athlon and so basically he did athlon xp
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all the way through until they switched over to phenom and fx which he wasn't
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involved with and then he did ryzen so basically he's done every good CPU AMD's
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ever done i mean that's one way of putting it yep
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um
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man so he's joining as a senior vice president leading the company's silicon
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engineering which encompasses system on chip development and integration
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uh so he did uh oh yeah okay this is all in my notes did a multi-year stinted
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apple between contributions to k8 and coming back to work on zen at apple he
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led the design team to build the company's class-leading
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mobile processors so in 2015 he left AMD to join tesla
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where he's been leading the company's ai chip design teams to date
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so if tesla produces some kind of chip design that is like
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freaking awesome in the next year to four
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uh he will basically definitely have had
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a hand in that i mean what what does this mean for AMD
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like they're gonna have a couple of good years here because one of the things that uh mr keller did
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i don't know is he a doctor i don't know i've never never seen it
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that way so i'm not sure i mean it seems like there's a pretty good chance anyway yeah one of the things that jim keller
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did at AMD was he set out a road map for zen like this is zen one and then here's
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like future generations of zen like here's here's
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it's all plotted out for you but after that
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what do they do where do you find another rock star like
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that i don't know find good people and let
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them do their thing i mean it's become very challenging
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though i mean in the early days chip design was simple enough i mean
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obviously it was already very complicated but it was simple enough
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that there could be many people qualified to work on it
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as time goes on for you to find someone with the
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knowledge to work on current technology and the experience of everything that's
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come before it something that does have a value and has a value more and more so
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as the technology progresses to find those people is going to become more and
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more difficult and when you're AMD you are competing with Intel to attract
29:01
those people and we can see who is winning that battle right now
29:07
yeah and it's not like he's retiring right away that's one thing i was going
29:10
to look into is like is the old guard gonna be retiring but he's not quite at
29:14
that age yet so no we can keep leaning on these guys
29:19
that's gonna be interesting
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all right well we gotta jump into our sponsors um jason thank you so much for coming on
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except for like key product launches but everything will go up first on float
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plane and then on youtube but there'll be some behind the scenes a couple of uh
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fun uh exclusive videos just for Floatplane supporters cool fantastic all
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right well thank you so much for joining us and uh we'll talk we'll talk really
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soon because i'm sure you're gonna want some tech support because Floatplane is
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pretty alpha dude hey hey you were taking shots at me all
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right see ya that's fair that's for bye
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all right it's working right now people are subscribing to them already are they
30:37
really yeah already wow that was quick yeah do you i haven't seen this
30:42
dashboard why haven't you shown me this dashboard
30:47
you have access to it what yeah i asked
30:50
you for this multiple times
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what a dick
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what a what a dick
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so like i could see all this stuff i mean what is this like what what do you
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want to see you can see creators this is mostly
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including connected invoices and like you have oh no you don't i forgot
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it's probably fine terrible people terrible people everywhere especially
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the chair next to me all right
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i'll give you access to this all right let's get let's get let's get our
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you know you know they they they called us
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after that video yeah and they were like hey
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they didn't call us before it though well yeah
34:35
i mean the wife's making a face
34:39
uh oh right yeah i guess we should we should do that now okay one right can i
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do one thing right before then ltx 2018 oh what
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uh i have a thing that i need to do in the thing right there you have a thing
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oh yeah sure uh go ahead uh apply for the developer position at Floatplane
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media if you're watching this on youtube it will be in the description and
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otherwise you're posting it to a chat i'm posting it all right cool um how
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many people are on the team now it depends where you draw the line okay
35:07
yeah like five but it depends where you draw the line but lines on me than five if i'm
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included yeah but are you included yeah
35:16
it's like five plus yeah yeah okay yeah so it's going really well it's been it's
35:20
awesome luke's a great boss
35:25
not now i'm so confused okay there we go um ltx 2018. you saw that thanks yes ltx
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2018. it's a meet up and interactive tech event it's happening july 14th at
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the richmond olympic oval here in richmond bc canada the current booths
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d-lidding workshop so you can bring your CPU and we will show you how to delete
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it safely case toss 2.0
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safer this time multi-headed vr a lan really we're going
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to have a lan that's sick okay 12k ultra wide gaming
36:00
we haven't actually made that video yet but we will be working on that very hard hopefully to have it done in time and
36:05
with more on the way there's going to be food music cool systems to look at um
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games more swag special guests exclusive
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live unboxings and more so tickets start at 35 bucks canadian and you can check
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them out at ltxexpo.com
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so look oh crap oh crap oh crap where's
36:25
the where where where is it where's the oh there it is okay yep
36:29
everything's fine so it's your last day yes
36:33
bye so i actually haven't asked you this yet
36:39
but like where are you going croatia
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okay not what i meant but um
36:46
oh really oh okay what are you doing in croatia i'm gonna go live um
36:50
with my boyfriend's grandparents for a bit
36:54
really yeah breathe in some fresh air i guess you're gonna live in croatia they
36:59
have no wi-fi like in croatia or at his grandparents
37:04
house in croatia no yes they do they
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don't what yeah
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okay so tech tips video like getting getting max wi-fi and croatian
37:16
i don't think they have the capacity to do that
37:20
no i'll send you a photo of their like
37:24
uh breaker like it's it's insane oh oh but just like in their house in their
37:28
house they i think they have wi-fi at like one of the cafes in the city that
37:32
they live in really yes so you're going from complete
37:37
immersion in technology to like your phone is basically a fancy
37:43
apple branded decoration yes
37:48
wow how long are you staying there a few weeks to a month
37:52
a month yeah so
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yeah wow that's exciting have you given much thought to your plan beyond that
38:02
i feel like i'm interviewing you i might as well ask you know what i might as
38:05
well ask some of the some of the questions that i'm sure people have on their minds guys go ahead and post in
38:10
the twitch chat if you have any questions for max i will do my best but
38:13
we're not going to have a ton of time because it's 5 59 and so officially in
38:18
one minute she super doesn't work here anymore and definitely doesn't have to
38:21
listen to me am i trespassing at that point um yeah do we have to like do we
38:24
have to escort her away no i've already taken all my keys but
38:28
she's a visitor but you're a visitor wow
38:31
okay so uh
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favorite video project you worked on while you were here
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oh i don't
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the one at your house i forget which one but you dressed up as a grandmother and
38:49
tech then versus now yeah that was that was pretty fun that was
38:53
pretty fun so we were talking about sort of retro tech and uh
38:59
oh sorry so we were talking about sort of differences between technology when i
39:04
was a kid and when my kids were a kid and i guess technology from when i was a
39:08
kid was funny to you i suppose also it involved a lot of costumes that
39:12
was a lot of fun a lot of cross-dressing worst project
39:16
worst project i already think i know what you're going to say
39:20
and it was fun but it was also pretty horrible
39:25
go ahead you can say i mean i just i think i know what it was
39:30
i want to see if i get it right well now i'm trying to think of what
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you're thinking no no no don't try to think of what i'm thinking try to think of the worst project you worked on the
39:37
whole time you're here
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uh i can't
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i don't know ces was pretty tough it wasn't the worst project but it was like
39:51
really really tough san francisco as well the AMD factory tour that's what i
39:54
was to say okay yeah yeah allen that was pretty rough yep like we flew
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out very early morning didn't we we were up at like three and
40:04
then we worked because yeah it was like a 6 a.m or like a 7 a.m flight or
40:09
something stupid like that and then we we landed
40:13
and worked all day and then we had another like 6 or 7 a.m
40:18
flight home yeah i remember getting back i remember getting a hotel at like 9 30
40:23
or like 10 o'clock or something like that and you were like set your alarm we're up at 2 a.m and i was like oh okay
40:29
and then we came back to the office i only lasted until like we got there
40:33
got here at like 10 a.m yeah i think and then you stayed in for like another
40:37
three or four hours yeah and like i didn't even ask you to
40:41
i thought i had to oh really yeah well like okay i stayed
40:46
because i didn't have a choice like i had
40:49
that whole trip was just kind of a cluster yeah because AMD sprung it on us
40:54
at the last minute and they were just like well we're gonna have like the most
40:58
exclusive thing ever it's a super computer made of vegas and we were like
41:02
yo we have our ltx this that was a year ago yeah yeah
41:07
holy crap so we were like yeah we have our ltx expo like like now we need to
41:13
you know we would need to be there and back in one day and they're like yeah we
41:16
can make it happen like okay people are asking if you got fired
41:21
because you dropped the test bench you know what i think it took Linus about a
41:25
year to think it over and then he brought me into his office and said you
41:29
know what i can't get over it
41:32
no no we're we're actually pretty chill and
41:36
if i had to be honest i don't think we've ever addressed this publicly but
41:40
if i had to be honest about it that was at least 40 percent my fault
41:47
i'll take it i'll take it i was the one who propped it up like
41:51
that that was me not max you know what i said
41:55
that doesn't look like the best idea she did say that
41:58
however i did say max can you hold this while i answered the
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door and he trusted me during my probation
42:09
so oh this is great it is 602 i'm no longer
42:13
your boss you can answer honestly okay uh hold on let's learn it okay is Linus
42:18
a good boss i don't know someone else it's going like super it's going super fast yep
42:22
you don't you don't have to lie you don't have to lie anymore there's no
42:25
pressure i gotta stay for this yeah no like he yeah
42:28
was a great boss i know it's over
42:32
all right what else we got here um
42:37
pregnant uh remember everyone's everyone's
42:42
what people are asking do they think i'm pregnant do you think i'm leaving
42:45
because i'm pregnant no i don't think this is good i don't
42:49
think you have to answer that question i'm
42:56
not um someone has a question oh why isn't your
43:01
hair blue i saw i've been wondering that i saw a 15 year old girl at walmart and
43:06
um she had literally the exact same hair as me um
43:10
it was really she was like following me around like there was no way she needed
43:13
to be in the cereal aisle the same time i was in the cereal aisle
43:17
and so she just like i i don't know i felt really stressed out and i had a hair
43:20
appointment the next day anyways and i was like so we got to get rid of this and she's like let's just do it now
43:25
and i just blacked out woke up blonde hair
43:29
really it was time did you feel old
43:35
oh yeah i get no it's just that i didn't
43:38
want to identify as somebody that has the same hair as like a 15 year old
43:43
so you felt so it's not that i felt
43:48
oh dang yeah so it was time
43:52
oh wow i wish i'd asked before that's fantastic
43:59
twitch chat thinks all girls are pregnant that's that's apparently why
44:03
that came up i don't i don't know i don't spend enough time on twitch to uh
44:08
um let's see do you want to take one more question
44:11
no that's not me yeah okay sure let's do one more 75 is the answer um
44:17
what's the best part of the job here
44:22
i don't work here anymore i can't answer that
44:25
i don't know every thing it's pretty chill i don't know i
44:30
get to like hang out with
44:34
cool people and nice cameras
44:37
it's definitely not a desk job which is what i had last time and right so that
44:41
was really cool being able to like do different things every day and like walk
44:44
around and be creative right yeah i think some of
44:47
your finest work was actually one of the last things you shot here um this video
44:52
right here is not up on uh it's not up on youtube yet but it's
44:57
on Floatplane so i'm just gonna this one yeah here we go um and i
45:02
believe you did all the lighting for this didn't you so
45:06
at in the in the early in the early parts of her tenure max relied on
45:10
brandon a lot for help in terms of not operating a camera necessarily but in
45:16
terms of lighting shots and um and the composition of her shots and
45:20
all that kind of stuff and she actually did this whole video
45:25
which i thought was absolutely fantastic when i when i watched it the other day
45:30
uh including like the the sort of
45:33
uh the black backdrop there the the pedestals here this this is really cool
45:38
so in this part right here i'm gonna walk from sort of an early model m to a newer
45:43
one i hope i have this muted right now yup i got it muted right now
45:48
um and we this was really janky the way that we had to do it because we don't
45:52
have the proper equipment for it but i thought it was really creative and just
45:57
really well done in a cool way so uh yeah i don't know it it kind of felt
46:01
like a fitting last project actually because visually
46:05
it's one of the coolest videos i think that we've ever done so
46:10
it was all james's idea he said do we really have to do this and
46:14
he goes yeah let me see if i can just find one of the
46:17
spots where we have one of the uh the movement bits
46:22
it's okay here we go there we go this is the part that i
46:26
wanted that i wanted to show you guys that interlacing though isn't that beautiful
46:29
yes so i put down the keyboard
46:33
and with a little bit of post work do you want to tell them how this was shot
46:37
because it's yeah horrendous uh what are those things dolly it's not a dolly it's
46:41
a handy mover yeah it's like a handy mover so we had uh a tripod with a red
46:46
and a prompter and like a little audio module that like we had um a boom
46:51
plugged into and like we sandbagged the tripod onto this handy mover
46:57
and we had we basically like the way the handy
47:01
mover works you need to move in one direction or else it like gets all weird
47:05
so i don't know i had it like this i had one hand on the handy mover one hand on
47:08
the handle of the red and i just pulled it back and we had ed on the left side
47:13
of me with um just like a soft box
47:16
on wheels and he was pulling it back and then we
47:19
had dennis booming and he was just walking back and then we had james as
47:23
well like kind of beside me with a bounce and he was walking back with us
47:27
and Linus had to do this while reading off a prompter and like putting
47:31
a borrowed keyboard on back on a pattern so carefully
47:36
yeah not my keyboard like 200 300
47:40
keyboard on ebay because they're very rare um
47:43
a lot of fun though okay the last question is from me oh okay
47:48
are you going to ask me for a reference huh
47:53
i'm just i'm idly curious i have not
47:56
considered looking for another job yet
48:00
so haven't gone to that point in my life maybe
48:04
all right sounds good well i think did we do the handshake thing
48:08
oh really
48:12
all right and on that note thank you very much for all your time here and uh
48:17
have a great weekend of liberte i'm gonna have
48:21
yeah or a month wi-fi yeah have a great life
48:25
all right see you max bye i'm gonna cross the train again
48:33
on that happy note i returned hey
48:36
how's it going yeah speaking of people who don't work here anymore wow
48:42
yeah actually no one was on the show with you this week that works here
48:46
yeah how interesting you know what
48:50
i'm gonna call that uh a solo ancho and
48:54
i'm gonna give myself an extra gold star for doing a great job of the WAN Show
48:57
all by myself that's not how that works not how that works no one at all
49:04
uh all right so we've got other tech news i think but
49:08
honestly we actually don't have a ton of time um we're in we're in negative time
49:12
yeah should we start to just like burn through stuff pretty quick here bye sure
49:17
my i'm just putting my coffee oh you're just putting your coffee away oh okay
49:21
well bye nick bye nick you're not leaving permanently are you forever oh
49:24
yeah yeah well i i might as well say he might be he's going
49:30
yeah sure whatever have fun with no internet buddy guys yeah
49:34
enjoy that i think they have wi-fi yeah i'm pretty sure no no wi-fi
49:39
no no it's just it's just in general just like yeah no no she i understood what she
49:44
meant they just don't have uh like an internet line into her grandparents
49:48
house i think that's what she's trying to say
49:52
yeah yeah all right nice okay
49:56
so Windows 10 redstone 5 gets telephony
50:00
apis telephony telephony yeah thank you uh hinting at a surface phone
50:06
apparently microsoft might not have learned their lesson um but the API's
50:11
cover support for a range of typical phone features including dialing numbers
50:14
and contacts blocking withheld numbers support for bluetooth headsets speakerphone mode etc and there looks to
50:18
be some kind of video calling support suggesting support for 3g or lte video
50:23
calling i would love to see like this is
50:26
something i haven't been able to figure out for the longest time um
50:30
this doesn't necessarily mean they're going to do a phone again it could just mean they're going to add phone
50:33
functionality to surface devices which is hopefully what it is like the four
50:37
people that would care about the other option yeah like i don't like
50:41
disappointment nothing personally yeah yeah their amount of disappointment is
50:45
not worth it um other good microsoft news they rolled
50:49
out the xbox april update which gives you free sync over
50:52
HDMI that's actually super cool support for 1440p which paired with that
50:57
freesync support uh some freesync is on all and 1440p is on the one x and the
51:02
one s means that you could be looking at a significantly better gaming experience
51:07
if you're like living in a dorm and you game on your monitor and you've got like
51:10
a cheap korean monitor off of ebay or whatever because there are ones with
51:13
freesync we actually did check one out recently that was a fantastic value
51:19
um it's got support for auto low latency mode which will tell your television
51:23
that you're playing a game so it can switch the display mode i didn't know that yeah that's pretty cool uh updated
51:28
mixing mixer streaming service to include the ability to share control of
51:32
a game with a user on mixer.com that's actually pretty sick
51:35
unfortunately uh with all of this there is no
51:39
uh there's still no end game for sea of thieves so
51:43
do you want to do this one not really sure
51:47
i was supposed to buy sc2 mitch on the forum
51:52
go ahead what does that even mean uh i'm posting this in the twitch chat but
51:56
apparently finland is uh
52:00
i'm tripping over myself what is literally what does this mean okay uh
52:04
finland classifies esports as a traditional sport apparently there's a
52:07
quote that says esports is now being treated as a traditional sport in an
52:12
administrative sense okay though we don't want to outweigh the importance of
52:16
traditional sports i still i don't know what in an administrative sense fully so
52:21
there's some good stuff here basically if uh if an esports e-athlete wants to
52:26
come into the country to compete in an event for example
52:30
obtaining visas will be easy yeah so there's some good stuff it'll help teams
52:34
obtain government funding if they're based in the country and tax benefits for athletes as well
52:39
e-athletes you know okay so that's cool i'm never
52:42
gonna do it i'm sorry but i'm never gonna call them athletes i'm okay with
52:46
this they're e-athletes okay it takes an extremely high degree of skill and
52:50
precision and all this kind of stuff but it's just a different form but it's not
52:54
athleticism it's a different form um
52:57
and there can be benefits to that extreme control from being like an
53:02
athletic person and different being in good athletic cardiovascular shape
53:07
yeah they're just not the same thing yeah um
53:11
whoa if you were wondering if the mining
53:15
craze has reached the plateau and is coming down
53:18
taiwanese graphics card makers to see shipments plunge 40
53:23
in april so this includes Gigabyte MSI
53:26
and tool um many clients have suspended taking
53:31
shipments in response to the drastic slowdown in demand for cryptocurrency
53:35
mining machines many mining farm operators are apparently awaiting the
53:38
rollout of ethereum mining machines by china's bit main in the third quarter of
53:42
2018.
53:47
there's a rumor that apple's working on an 8k times 2 vr headset
53:54
um an 8k display for each eye that would be fantastic
53:57
i don't know how like big this thing would be uh the box would be powered by
54:01
a custom apple processor that's more powerful than anything currently available and it would act as the brain
54:06
for the headset uh in its current state the box resembles a pc tower but it won't be an
54:11
actual mac computer there's a few things that i'm really
54:14
surprised aren't in the dock and i don't have
54:18
notes on it obviously but to like stepping stone you guys on to looking
54:22
into yourself there's apparently a huge lawsuit going on right now over RAM
54:26
pricing that we just got a bunch of news about uh there's uh eric lundgren
54:33
is possibly going to prison for repairing or for uh
54:38
burning freeware onto disks that is in
54:41
here and then oh it is okay so that was posted by ken blue24 on the forum that
54:45
actually is really important to cover um let's go ahead and
54:50
so an e-waste activist gets 15 months in prison for selling Windows restore disks
54:56
yeah so these were downloaded from i don't know if you guys are gonna
55:00
remember this to be completely honest but back in the day uh you would get
55:04
restore disks with your laptop or your pc uh your desktop sorry and now you can
55:11
download them and burn them yourself or put them onto flash drives or whatever
55:14
and he would charge as far as i know he would charge 20. 25 cents he was
55:18
charging for which is essentially the essentially disc yes like the physical
55:22
medium that he put it on to yeah there are a few additional problems that not a
55:26
lot of people are putting light on one of them is that apparently they were labeled
55:30
as like microsoft Windows which causes a big problem yeah that's a
55:35
big intellectual property problem but that was not the focus
55:40
of the court case right the focus of the court case was apparently selling the
55:46
software um when clearly the software is
55:50
available for download and cannot be
55:53
activated without a license and the license key is what actually matters
55:57
here and he wasn't selling license keys he was selling he was
56:02
selling helping people who had lost their recovery disk
56:06
get Windows back on their computer with their existing license in a really nice
56:11
way because he was helping you do it yourself and he was doing it for 25
56:15
cents the cost of the disc that doesn't it doesn't properly in my opinion
56:18
include uh labor that that's like taking
56:21
some business away from him directly and microsoft apparently as far as i know
56:26
went after him for the perceived value so i think it was
56:29
like twenty dollars a disc yeah so saying that it was worth like almost
56:34
three quarters of a million dollars um and apparently their problem with all
56:39
of this is that it is causing lost sales but that is a very frankly uh
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argument it's completely incorrect because those people already have a
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license for Windows so we shouldn't be trying to sell them another license for
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Windows because they already have one and that is what is known in the
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industry as a dick move
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so there's a couple of problems here um he did break the law he did
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sell copyrighted material which is wrong and
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bad and illegal
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but this kind of behavior the intent because
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i'm a firm believer that we should look
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not at the action so much as at the
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intent like if someone's like
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you're a dick that's obviously really different from
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you know what you're a really nice guy
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yeah so there's what you say but there's what you mean and in this case yes what he
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did was technically incorrect and technically illegal but it's the kind of
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thing where i think a letter probably would have done the trick and not and
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like yeah it comes down to the the basics of does the punishment match the
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crime and this is that's right extremely not the case if someone was
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driving down the road at 200 kilometers an hour
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and they blow through a school zone they would be unlikely to get 15 months
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in prison in spite of the fact that
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okay maybe no one actually gets hurt but they could have really dangerous easily
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like you know hit a rock at that kind of a
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speed in a residential area and this thing this kind of stuff happens they
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could have easily like hit a rock and flown into someone's house or like run
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over a bunch of school children or whatever they can fire it out and nailed someone
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they will not get 15 months in prison
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and here we're talking about in
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with as far as we can tell a good intention
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someone printing these disks and making them available to people who are not
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tech savvy enough to download them on their own and we're putting this person in prison
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for 15 months this really doesn't make a ton of sense to me someone in twitch
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chat was like right to travel and honestly i don't blame the courts
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for this i don't blame the law i don't blame the court system i blame microsoft
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microsoft should not be going after this guy they should have
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sent a strongly worded letter told them not to do it and
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ideally created a system where people can download these recovery disks far
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more easily because as much as the disk does usually say on it don't lose this
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or you won't be able to reinstall that's bs2 there's absolutely no reason why
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physical media it is 2018
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there's no reason why physical media should prevent you in any way from
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installing and using your software that you have a valid license for
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so i guess that's all i have to say about that there's there's yeah there's there's legitimate issues with the use
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of logos names or whatever but they took it too far
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they should have said don't use our logos that's like someone uploading a meme on
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the internet with my face in it and us immediately going straight to a lawsuit
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rather than being like you know yo you've crossed the line
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there you actually can't use that we usually like memes yeah we love it so
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go ahead please do it i saw one with you in it recently where
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it was like the four panel one and you like run into an apple store with money
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in your hand have you seen it i posted that on twitter the lost meme yeah yeah it's fantastic
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it's so funny nobody sent that to me you know how i found it
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for the first time ever read it i was
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bored oh i don't remember the last time i was
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bored you got so much on your plate my kids were doing something and i like
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needed to supervise them and i needed to kind of be there but like so i
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went to our slash all and i made it four pages in and i was
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like holy crap that's me because it wasn't in like pcmr or like
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any of the places that i would normally pay attention to where was it uh i'm
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gonna have to check uh Linus mac lost meme reddit that
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should not bring it up uh
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no um
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wow yeah i don't think i'm even like mentioned in it though
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yeah i can't even like i can't even find it now
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uh i'll have to go on our twitter and like find our post of the of the reddit
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page but like oh yeah cause i didn't send it to you
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because i noticed that you had posted it i
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remember that now or was it your personal one uh no no it
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was on the uh the company one
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i figured it was on topic enough yeah i think so
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there we go no found this on okay crap i didn't i
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didn't i didn't post the link to reddit dang it
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that was funny imac loss right at imac loss
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nope yep can't find it i'm sure someone has posted it in twitch chat by now yeah
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no twitch chat is full of people complaining about reddit search
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yeah well there you go um
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i have an insulated bottle now so i'm not used to it it's like really good
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though i got this on amazon you like can't even it's like not cold
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at all there's still ice in there you did show me up at lunch oh i played
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along to like try to bring the stream all right so thanks for
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watching guys we'll see you again next week same bedtime same bat channel
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bye guys uh intro
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straight up like i still can't find it tried Linus mac meme
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let's try Linus mac meme reddit is this my summary of the Linus tech
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tips controversy is that it nope oh wow that's
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that's interesting uh the show is brought to you by private internet
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access spectrum and ltx and also this is weird
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i haven't even found i've never i haven't even seen this there is so much
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discussion of this i think even more than the tampon thing i love how amazon
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how stupid that is
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um
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yeah the top comment this is interesting it's not like they were asking apple to
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fix it under warranty he said he was willing and expecting to pay for it here's the biggest issue he's voided the
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warranty in a spectacular way it doesn't matter even if he pays double the cost
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of the mac just to fix it which would be super dumb because you could never pay
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more than the cost of the mac to fix it
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apple then has to give a warranty on the repair then that puts them in all sorts of poo
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if something else is broken due to his tampering no because nothing else could
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be broken because the entire thing would be brand new
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that's not how this stuff works it's just you know what well we'll make a
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video later bye