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The WAN Show: AMD Press conference, Screw low end stuff and GUEST Wendell Tron - Nov 15, 2013

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0:00 welcome to the WAN Show guys uh we would like to apologize for the incredible

0:05 slowness with which we got the show going today we had a number of issues

0:08 first and foremost was the fact that our where is that thing cuz I think we

0:12 should just destroy it on camera okay so our baringer headphone splitter and

0:17 amplifier has gone further than having one dead port and has now failed

0:22 outright and is causing all kinds of random interference so this thing can

0:26 die in a fire then my DisplayPort output on my other notebook you can see

0:31 I'm not using my notebook this week decided that it did not want to be

0:35 imported by the a media capture card nor the Blackmagic extra backup capture card

0:41 that we have on our stream PC so I had to run and find another notebook to use

0:46 so between those two issues we've had to redo our audio setup we've had to change

0:49 over my notebook and I believe we actually redid the networking in this

0:52 room while we were at it and we did all that in half an hour so as much as we're

0:56 very sorry for being late we do sincerely apologize we hope that you're

1:00 at least a little bit impressed that we managed to bring the show to you at all

1:03 today so Guys Without further Ado

1:07 welcome to the W show our topics today

1:10 oh first of all our special guest is Wendell from Tech Syndicate by popular

1:13 demand we're actually going to be bringing him on pretty much right away because we're starting late and we're

1:17 going to have a ton of discussion about AMD's event that just ran this week

1:23 there's lots of new stuff about mantle

1:26 amds upcoming cavar apus in January at

1:30 as well as I mean just cool St software stuff like Tres FX 2.0 which is

1:34 apparently going to do more than make a ponytail waggle back and forth

1:38 realistically most of the time uh We've also got lots of console stuff to talk

1:43 about so one of them of the many console

1:46 topics is the PS4 streaming to Vita compared to NVIDIA streaming from a PC

1:52 to NVIDIA Shield which I think is actually pretty interesting Yeah we

1:56 actually got a PS4 today so we are definitely going to be doing some

1:59 highspeed footage comparing the latency of Shield to the latency of PS4's V I

2:04 guess we'll have to get a v we have to get oh balls okay well we'll have to do that okay anyway we can probably get a

2:08 used Fe without further Ado here's the intro

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3:20 right essentially all right so without further Ado guys let's launch into our

3:25 first topic before we have Wendell join us so Kev

3:30 is AMD's upcoming Apu architecture so

3:33 it's going to be changing over from the previous generation cores to I believe

3:38 oh bollocks what's the new one called is it Steamroller

3:42 or no I think it's steam so they're going to be changing over to Steamroller

3:46 cores which is going to amount to essentially improved performance and

3:50 single-threaded applications which let's face it guys AMD has been due to deliver

3:56 us for a while here we've been looking

3:59 at pretty much for a from a per clock

4:03 basis um not a whole lot of improvement

4:07 in the last few generations of AMD processors they've done things like

4:11 adding more cores and they've done things like increasing clock speeds but

4:14 the actual IPC hasn't changed a whole lot so we're going to see a dramatic

4:18 Improvement there the other thing that we're going to see improved is

4:22 multi-threaded performance so this is going to be augmented by certain

4:27 software things that are going to be changing over the next little a while particularly for gamers with mantle but

4:32 cavar is going to improve single-threaded performance multi-threaded performance and

4:36 dramatically improve GPU performance so this was a tweet from Ryan Shrout who

4:41 I've actually arranged to join us next week I don't know if you knew this yet cool so Ryan's going to be joining us

4:45 next week he was at the event we unfortunately weren't able to attend but

4:49 this tweet he says just saw AMD cavar

4:52 running Battlefield 4 at 1080p medium

4:56 settings beating the Intel 4770k and

4:59 gForce gt630 GPU impressive especially

5:03 impressive when you consider that that cavar CPU Apu GPU whatever you want to

5:07 call it that Cav Apu is probably going to be significantly less expensive than

5:11 that other solution now I suspect that AMD was picking and choosing the

5:14 comparison a little carefully there because the 4770k costs $100 more than a

5:19 4670k and doesn't tangibly improve the gaming performance in most games whereas

5:23 spending that extra $100 on a GPU but is

5:27 kind of thing Battlefield 4 maybe but in Battlefield 4 but I think we can still

5:30 agree that spending another $100 on a GP made a bigger difference blah blah blah

5:34 a bigger difference we actually just did some testing recently that maybe you'd

5:39 like to talk about a little bit so we normally don't review low-end stuff and

5:43 we normally don't review stuff that um that we think is stupid because what's

5:47 the point of us giving exposure to products that we think are stupid but

5:51 recently just to kind of you know fly in the face of everyone saying how we're

5:55 we're this and we're that and we don't do these things I decided to do it we

5:58 grabbed an r7240 graphics card which is an $80 card very value oriented or is it

6:05 no no really that's all you're going to say about it if you if you put down the

6:09 rebate and actually do it unlike many people happen to do and decide to get a

6:14 70 77

6:18 7770 so many sevens a 7770 if you pay

6:22 the rebate it's basically the same price and is incredibly better and if you

6:25 decide to get a you want a new generation one if you shove out a little

6:29 bit more and get a 260x it's way way way

6:33 way way better so basically lanus wanted

6:36 to torture me and have me test a r7240 which was torture yeah what was

6:41 benchmarking like at 9 frames per second I'm just curious I I had to run the Far

6:46 Cry Benchmark way more than I normally run it because if if you guys have seen

6:51 the Far Cry benchmarking video you know I go around that Loop and I kind of bend

6:55 around the corners and try and get up and hit those barrels and whatever and I have to be hitting the barrels and I try

6:58 to dodge guys that's and Rockets I have to dodge Rockets Dodge all the Rockets

7:02 if I get hit by a rocket I have to restart because it changes the frame rate too much so I was constantly

7:07 getting hit by Rockets cuz I couldn't Dodge them cuz I can't move properly and

7:11 I was constantly like just skimming barrels not hitting them and just being like ah well I need that time increase

7:16 so I kind of need to restart just like

7:19 come on or I hit an angle around a corner just kind of weird and hit

7:24 something and it would stop the car and I just be like okay I have to start

7:28 again so basically guys what we're trying to say here is if you really want

7:32 a value optimized Graphics solution

7:35 check out apus we actually have a build guide that we're going to be working on

7:39 very very soon we're going to be bringing that to you guys where we're going to do kind of like a $500 to $600

7:44 Apu system so it's going to be optimized for using opencl to accelerate certain

7:49 workloads such as uh Adobe Photoshop some of the filters you can apply are

7:53 opencl accelerated it'll also be focused on the upgradeability of an APU so you

7:58 can have entry-level gaming today then you can pop a $150 $100 graphics card in

8:03 it and you can have a truly excellent gaming experience that's as good or

8:06 better than what you can get with a game console for really that not that much more expensive especially when you

8:11 consider the additional functionality so I am an advocate of Apu I'm an advocate

8:16 of graphics cards that are about $100 and up but that low-end graphics card

8:20 Market whether it's AMD or NVIDIA we're not meaning to pick on AMD with the

8:23 r7240 they just they they came up their

8:28 number was up so I mean there's other AMD solutions that we like so I would

8:32 say yeah and like you just said something like a

8:35 630 probably equally stupid yeah yeah so

8:38 the the thing is upgrade your entire system if you have $80 to spend grab a

8:43 cheap Apu and a motherboard and that's

8:46 that's and sell your old stuff get a couple bucks there maybe you can get 20

8:49 bucks for it if it's really old that gives you an extra little bit to maybe

8:52 grab you know a little bit of RAM or you can get 4 gig RAM kits I think for like

8:56 25 bucks these days I was looking at uh at them online the other day oh okay cuz

9:00 I was going to say with the RAM shortage I wasn't sure yeah so I mean yeah

9:04 upgrade your system get reasonable performance and then upgrade a little

9:07 bit again later all right so without further Ado let's invite our special

9:10 guest Wendell from Tech Syndicate by popular

9:14 demand why hello there sir you might not be able to hear me yet but you might be

9:18 able to hear me now cuz he was just doing the

9:23 things hopefully he's there yes you left

9:28 us in suspense there we redone the audio setup which means that we really just

9:32 don't know what's going to work and what's not hey man how are

9:37 you yeah I've I've had better days thank you for

9:45 asking yeah so uh oh oh what whoa people are

9:50 saying they can't hear Wendell okay okay give us just a moment here we got to

9:56 hm why um

10:00 uh hold on it's on this one isn't it I

10:05 have no idea yeah oh I don't remember how to fix that okay Wendel give us a

10:12 moment we might have a bit of a team speak configuration thing going on

10:17 here ah it's like uh you know the NSA

10:21 who of course is probably a big fan of you just doesn't doesn't want this show

10:25 to happen so they like you know hacked

10:29 our stream PC or oh my God something

10:32 stop conspiracy theories abound here so

10:36 they they don't want this stream to happen so they came into our house with

10:40 uh you know oh actually Wendell can you talk for a minute let's see if they can hear you now o to spot Felix is your

10:46 taxonomic nomenclature okay I all right welcome to

10:51 the show man now we've only met in person once before but uh I think we had

10:56 a fair bit of fun going to that restaurant that Logan couldn't eat

10:59 anything at and

11:02 uh that was kind of fun that that that was kind of fun so why don't you just

11:07 take a brief moment and introduce yourself to those few of our viewers who

11:11 don't already know who you are I'm uh hey guys I'm wendle I'm un

11:15 loan from Tech Syndicate and uh I sort of take care of the Forum a little bit

11:19 over there and some of the technical things and I do a little bit of

11:23 everything so um I sort of I'm I'm sort

11:27 of the nerd that nerds out with Logan I guess yes all right so speaking of nerding out

11:32 why don't we just go ahead and jump right into our first guest topic here

11:37 which is a little bit out of order but uh this this was a post on Intel's

11:42 Facebook not that long ago I'm just going to go ahead and show all the nice

11:45 folks watching this thing so Intel says and So speaking of nering

11:51 out right into the smart refrigerator

11:54 concept we're developing a little bit will know what food is stored a

12:00 possible recipes so they've got crap on here that's like recipe

12:05 match you a little recipe this is a very first world problem having so much

12:09 variety and the food that we can choose to eat that we need a computer to tell

12:13 us what to eat and when and how but tell

12:16 me about this concept and how Intel might not have been the first one to

12:19 think of this oh well I think what

12:22 you're talking about is um in college I built something similar um but it was uh

12:29 it was a little different okay so the Intel thing is they've got the fridge

12:34 and you know the fridge knows what's inside it and blah blah blah I didn't really do

12:37 that well why don't you tell us what you what you did have running because it

12:40 sounded pretty cool when you were telling me about it I've got um so what

12:44 I did was you know it's it's very much foul Bachelor Frog if you can imagine

12:49 foul Bachelor Frog so a lot of frozen dinners were sort of you know in my

12:53 future but I had a a barcode scanner hooked up to a microwave oven and so I

12:58 could take something out of the freezer and scan it with the barcode scanner and

13:01 put it in the oven but you know a frozen dinner in a microwave oven that never

13:04 comes out well so I got one of the fancy ovens with the turntable and so it's

13:07 like you know running high for 5 minutes and then sleep for two minutes and then spin it the other way for a minute and a

13:12 half I got kind of fancy with the programs for the programmable microwave

13:16 so that was kind of fun but you know fresh vegetables there's no barcode so

13:19 it didn't work so basically what you had what you

13:25 had managed to build was something that would have terrible implications for the

13:29 the health of anyone that uh that that

13:32 that used it because no one would ever eat vegetables anymore only things with

13:38 barcodes yeah you would have to you would have to prepare your meals ahead

13:41 of time I guess for like the the way that that but it was you know a minimum of effort I mean how cool is that you

13:46 can just pop open the fridge scan it put it in a thing and then when it beeps

13:49 it's done it's actually pretty freaking cool and like yeah it would be pretty

13:56 funny if you got like a homemade barcode creator thing M just like individually

14:00 barcoded all of your different vegetables well I even actually like I

14:04 like I thought of that because one of the things that I wanted to do as an inventory system here I talked to you

14:08 about this very briefly because we get a lot of like random graphics cards and

14:13 stuff arriving some of it has to go back some of it doesn't have to go back it's

14:16 hard to keep track of what anything is or how much it's worth or what we're

14:20 supposed to do with it so I I was like okay well we should just have like a

14:24 tablet with a barcode scanner like at the door and then when stuff arrives we

14:27 could just scan it into inventory put in an approximate value from the invoice

14:31 and then at least we can we can track things but uh this Intel thing looks

14:36 much more sophisticated and I think there's a few there's a few different

14:40 ways that this could improve our lives so number one that comes to mind

14:43 immediately of course is the recipe match number two is replenishment so

14:48 with Amazon rolling out things like grocery delivery you could just

14:53 basically have you know it could be like Google Now not only tracks when you need

14:58 to go to work and how to get there and how long it's going to take but tracks

15:02 what you might be in the mood to eat based on your you know circadian rhythms

15:06 or whatever the season and you know hey it's October would you like some pumpkin

15:11 pie and uh you know it'll just order from Amazon what you might like to eat

15:15 you can obviously manually override it if you want and then it just shows up

15:19 you put it in your fridge your fridge tells you what to cook I mean are we going to get to the point where we don't

15:22 even have to think anymore it it would probably work pretty

15:26 well from a nutrition and and diet management point because um I knew

15:30 somebody that lived in Seattle when they had the home grocery delivery service

15:34 and that was amazing like that was like I stayed with them uh for a month or so

15:37 while I was out there and it was the most incredible thing ever I mean you

15:42 get weekly fresh groceries fresh vegetables all delivered right to your

15:45 door and it's like wow if you combine that with you know Nutrition management

15:48 and something else and it's all handled by an application you don't have to think

15:52 anymore which you know what I mean we when we say that it sounds like kind of

15:56 a dirty word you know you don't have to think anymore like I've ized lukee here

16:00 for not being able to find his way to work after working there for well over 6

16:05 months because but I bust there the whole time sometimes because I barely

16:11 ever drove you were driving for a while and you still didn't know how to get

16:14 there like four times whatever so what he there's like four turns okay so what

16:19 he would do is he would just key it into Google Maps and then he would follow it

16:23 and then he wouldn't think and in this like I kind of would tease him i' go

16:27 well you know traffic roading it would give me a different route every time based on traffic so old guys like me had

16:31 to listen to the radio and had to actually know how to get places whereas

16:35 I had a conversation with someone who disagreed with me very strongly that at

16:39 some point kids aren't even going to know how to drive or how to get anywhere

16:43 because it'll always be done for them but nutrition is something where I

16:46 really don't think there's anything wrong it's like phone numbers it's like

16:50 what is the benefit of storing phone numbers in your head other than 911 I

16:54 don't think we really need phone dies or something yeah or if your phone dies or

16:58 something but even then I have like two or three that if I'm ever in trouble it

17:01 would be fine I don't need to know all of them but nutrition is something that is so essential and is so complicated

17:06 that people and people don't really understand like you would be able to do

17:09 things like your smart fridge could detect on Facebook that you said you're

17:12 going to have a baby and all of a sudden it could take papaya out of your regular

17:16 shipments because pregnant women shouldn't eat papaya which is a totally unintuitive thing how cool is

17:22 that I like that a lot I mean the smart applications I think there's there's a

17:26 lot to the Future in that I knew one of the that worked on the the residential

17:30 version of the turbo chef and that it's it's been out for many years now

17:35 probably four or five years but there's an app that's built into the home turbo

17:39 Chef this is like a $5,000 home oven but it can cook things immediately and it

17:43 makes it really easy to cook things like chicken and Duck and lamb and things

17:47 like that without having to do a lot of preparation with fresh ingredients and I

17:51 I could see sort of the the technology there with this oven combined with

17:54 something like this fridge I mean it's it's a really interesting technology and

17:58 you end up you know sort of having a better life experience cuz you know you're doing good home cooking and

18:02 things like that it will improve the quality of life and you know what I

18:05 don't mind cooking I find one of the most crappy things about homecooked

18:10 meals is coming up with what you want to eat and then shopping for it and then

18:15 all of a sudden we've taken the the the tediousness tedium I guess would be the

18:19 correct word out of that and all you have to do is prepare food which really

18:23 isn't even that timec consuming and is so much less expensive and so much

18:27 better for you it would just be automatic Improvement for me because I

18:30 just go to Costco I'm going live by myself I just go to Costco and buy like

18:34 little troughs of chicken breast and then just like something like a huge

18:39 thing of Roma lettuce and I'm like okay I'm eating chicken and lettuce chicken

18:43 and salad for like a week and a half at least you could even uh mix it up and

18:47 have a chicken salad oh exactly that's basically where the end of my creativity

18:50 is cuz I'm like I'm going to save money and that's the only thing that I really end

18:55 at I mean the other thing many people don't understand very well and it's not

18:59 a criticism of them it's just it's kind of complicated is how long food is good

19:05 for so when you add the food when you start having you know uh codes or chips

19:09 inside the packaging or whatever else the case may be that the smart fridge can be aware of you put some beef in

19:15 there and your smart fridge can send you a text message be like yo you haven't

19:18 cooked this yet you've got probably about 6 hours to pop it in the freezer

19:21 before that's just not going to be good for anything anymore we could be looking

19:25 at a lot of health benefits from a food spoiling perspective as well which I

19:28 think is as cool you know I think um

19:32 when the iPad first came out about 6 months or a year after um apps

19:36 Epicurious and I think apps like Epicurious which is like sort of an interactive recipe program I think those

19:41 were some of the top sellers in the app store because people were using them in the kitchen so it was a sort of totally

19:45 unexpected Serendipity from sort of having ubiquitous easy tablet

19:49 Computing it's actually one of the first apps I got for my smartphone when I got

19:53 it was I don't remember if it was actually Epicurious but it was one of

19:57 the ones that is like oh I have all of these different things what can I have

20:00 for dinner tonight y because it actually helped like I I knew what I could make

20:05 with that but I would take this app and it would spit out something that I

20:09 wouldn't have thought of or that I didn't even know what it was and it was just a different way of making it it was

20:13 really interesting to discover a few recipes that way so let's have some

20:17 discussion about AMD which is going to be um you know an uncommon theme on

20:21 today's show uh which is of course total BS so

20:26 let's talk mantle here I just want to go through some tweets for the audience

20:30 real quick here so that they're kind of up to speed so these are some tweets from James prior who I actually I

20:35 actually know he's uh he's in charge of Apu marketing right now he seems like a

20:39 pretty good guy I've had a couple calls with him so here are some tweets from

20:43 Ryan trout again Who Will Be Our Guest next week in James prior so Ryan says

20:46 you know this could completely change the landscape for multicore which has

20:50 been a sore spot for Gamers game

20:53 developers uh CPU makers who can't scale

20:57 frequency anymore they need dis scale course to keep the actual power

21:01 consumption and heat output of these chips down and yet gaming which really

21:06 has driven performance in some ways particularly on the consumer desktop for

21:11 a long time it's it's it's just not able to leverage the stuff so so Ryan

21:15 basically goes okay yeah this is going to completely change the game because

21:18 all of a sudden an fx8350 is just as fast as a core i 74770 k that is a head

21:24 explosion moment because a 4770k is a lot faster than an fx8 350 in gaming

21:29 right now James also says with mantle

21:32 they underclocked an fx8350 to 2 GHz so we're talking about a

21:38 frequency that is about 60% of what that can actually run at and the game was

21:44 still GPU bound on an R9 290x there was

21:47 no loss in frame rate so CPU performance and the funny thing about this is AMD is

21:52 also sort of a CPU company is is is is

21:55 moving towards irrelevance I mean I guess it's great because AMD is also a

21:59 GPU company it's funny how many people talked about how the ATI acquisition was

22:02 going to sync AMD and AMD was like no no it's our future trust us well I'm just

22:07 glad they lasted long enough to to show us what's going on now so there's a

22:11 couple other things um a frame with mantle has a lot of unused CPU time

22:15 there's not a driver hole at all that's awesome and then this is a comment from

22:19 oxide who's developing a an engine that

22:22 is going to be more geared towards RTS

22:26 where they're saying they can make RTS games GPU Bound for the first time in

22:30 pretty much forever and they've only had a few months so they basically haven't

22:34 had time to optimize it but they figure it's about two man months worth of

22:38 development time to get mantle into game

22:41 so why don't we let wend why don't you give us your thoughts on this whole

22:45 mantle and multi-threaded Computing optimization thing that's finally

22:49 happening okay so I looked at the I looked at the presentation I haven't had

22:52 a time to go through it really in depth because you know at the outset it seems

22:57 like they're trying to get blood from a turnup because things have really been

23:00 well optimized in these games for a long time and so it's like architecturally

23:03 what are they doing different I don't understand well in the AMD mantle video

23:07 at 1639 they explain it and it starts to make sense um one of the major things

23:13 that they do is sort of take out well direct X isn't part of the equation but

23:16 you know is direct X really that terrible well part of the problem is

23:20 that direct X is a little bit monolithic and you know when you're adding shaders

23:24 and things like that it goes through a bottleneck where all the all those things that are happening in parallel

23:28 have to be synchronized but with the mantle architecture at 1639 in that

23:32 video it's showing that they're um sort of developing independent cues that can

23:37 live and exist in different memory space and on different cores on the GPU and so

23:42 it becomes much less CPU bound at that point and everything can run in parallel

23:46 and that sounds really

23:49 promising so instead of I mean so to so to give the viewers some context in the

23:54 early days when we were first getting dual core processors and we were all

23:57 really excited about it it was kind of like oh well now we can run like the

24:01 in-game AI on One processor and then we can use the other one just to power the

24:05 graphic experience and then what we realized when we started getting three

24:09 core and four core and six core processors is that okay so now we've got

24:14 like AI here and physics here or on the

24:17 GPU depending on if you ask AMD or NVIDIA about that and then we've also

24:21 got the actual gaming experience here so so the without the ability to

24:25 parallelize the actual GPU r the actual

24:28 rendering of the scene we were stuck for a really long time and it looks like

24:33 Mantle's just according to AMD's claims going to just flat out fix that now

24:38 they're finally talking numbers although we had heard rumors earlier that of of

24:42 around these numbers but they're talking about 20 to 50% performance improvements

24:47 on cards that are a couple years old with AMD mantle enabled games how

24:51 exciting is that from a consumer standpoint I I think that it's going to

24:55 sort of open up a whole new world it makes sense with their Str because you

24:59 know the Apu has clearly gotten a lot more attention from AMD you know R&D and

25:04 stuff like that and it's really kind of disappointing on the desktop processor

25:08 side of the world because it's like hey you know what there's still room to innovate on the desktop side I mean

25:12 let's work on power consumption or something but when you look at it this

25:15 way it's like ah architecturally you know they may be on to something here

25:18 because this is this means they're going to be able to do more with less and

25:21 that's where they're going to cut their power and that's where they're going to they're going to get their

25:25 efficiency absolutely I mean one thing there were rumors circulating for a

25:29 while about a six core yeah and that's

25:32 that's exactly that tweet about downclocking the chip to 2 GHz is like

25:36 okay how much power consumption does an 8350 at 2 GHz have I mean we don't know

25:41 I don't think anyone ever tried it because it just didn't perform well enough to try to run it at such a low

25:46 frequency and do anything with it but that's uh that that's absolutely

25:50 gamechanging I mean to put this in perspective for the viewers again we're

25:54 talking 20 to 50% performance Improvement puts a an R

25:59 9270 which is about a $179.99 graphics card so mainstream

26:04 performance puts that in the same performance weight class as an

26:10 r9280x which is a $300 plus do graphics

26:13 card and not that long ago was a $400 $500 graphics card last gen that is that

26:19 is absolutely gamechanging and what can NVIDIA do to address

26:23 this well you know this is an open platform and so NVIDIA can sort of adopt

26:28 the model here I think you know I don't have any real I don't have any friends

26:33 that are like really really inside the game sector I know some people that

26:36 develop indie games and they always complain about how terrible DirectX is

26:40 but how the problem with openg GL is that it's not like it's standardized

26:44 across platforms but it's not the same across platforms and so something that

26:48 might work great in one situation doesn't work at all in another situation

26:51 at least you don't have that with direct X mantle is an opportunity for AMD to

26:56 bring that to not just the the Windows platform but probably also Mac and Linux

27:00 and I'm really hoping that the Linux thing takes off me too I mean I don't

27:05 know if you saw this but did you see Microsoft sort of hey we're we're sorry

27:10 about the whole PC gaming thing and how we completely crap the bed on that uh

27:15 we're going to we're going to we're going to support it better we're going to start by eliminating games for

27:18 Windows Live which I think was met by uproarious you know horay and all of

27:24 that kind of stuff but is it just too little too late I mean they had

27:28 opportunity really for the last 5 years

27:32 to get their crap together you know what give the PC your Halo game come on you

27:37 guys is it is it too late yeah I mean I

27:41 think the biggest problem with DirectX is the way that the shaders are handled

27:45 that's Apparently one of the big bottlenecks and the one of the things about the sort of Q's implementation I

27:50 guess is what they call it in the video is that it lets those things sort of

27:54 live on their own so right now if you think of it the GPU you're giving a

27:57 whole attas to the GPU that are well suited for the GPU and you have you know

28:01 like Soldier Ai and things like that running on the CPU and then at the

28:05 middle of this mess is direct X and direct X is trying to synchronize all

28:08 those things and you know with mantle it's like hey we can do this this way

28:12 and this that way and you can yeah ex it's it's it makes a lot of sense and it

28:17 puts stuff in the hands of the developers but it makes sense that the

28:21 hardware people are providing it and so if Microsoft plays nice and provides a

28:25 low enough level Hardware interface that they don't don't have to like hack the

28:29 Windows kernel that's what Microsoft needs to do because their expertise is

28:32 not here they need to step aside and let the experts do what they need to do and

28:36 give them what they need at an operating system level and that's the best thing they could do for this and at the same

28:41 time I I actually don't necessarily think it's too little too late because

28:44 of what Wendell just said and because even though Linux is being much more

28:48 openly adopted now it's still that scary word I love Linux but a lot of people

28:52 are just scared of it don't want to try it and the second they sit down in front

28:56 of them even though it's not sitting in command console at first or terminal um

29:01 yeah I totally don't see this going to desktop Linux right away I think it'll

29:05 be on the steam box or something like that and then it'll sort of leak from

29:09 the steam box onto Linux desktop I don't think it'll be there overnight but

29:13 that's exactly it I don't think it'll be overnight either but this is I mean this

29:16 is what I see happening what I see happening is this opening the door now

29:21 okay to be clear when mantle was first talked about this is again this is more

29:25 for the viewers benefit it wasn't very clear what what exactly it was AMD gave

29:31 some details but they were I think they were waiting for this event to really

29:34 talk about it and so there was there were a lot of rumors it was open to

29:38 NVIDIA it wasn't open to NVIDIA it was running on the PlayStation 4 it was

29:42 running on Xbox oh no it was it's not running on those and it really wasn't

29:46 clear it'll work on Linux or you know I think that one's been pretty clear from

29:49 the start but what we're finding out now and this was again revealed at the event

29:54 where Johan Anderson who is Li D lies

29:57 dice's lead uh like dice's lead technical I think was future whatever

30:02 something he has a complicated title but basically he's leading future

30:06 development for the frostbite engine Series where he basically said okay yeah

30:10 it's not the same but the mantle code for Battlefield 4 looks a lot closer to

30:16 the PS4 code than it looks to the direct X code so if a game developer I mean one

30:21 of the things we've talked about on the show before is that guys like indie game

30:25 devs if they were going to pick one then

30:28 might pick direct X but all of a sudden

30:31 that could change if a lot of indie game devs are developing for console first

30:35 right so if they could do it relatively easily this could be a total Game

30:40 Changer and then they could add support for Linux they could add support for Windows and all of a sudden I mean Indie

30:45 guys love Linux yeah well they they love

30:48 adopting it because then you get that huge hord of people that will support you yes and they're very outspoken and

30:53 we'll talk about it a lot and your game gets a lot of traction another thing that I noticed though was the uh I don't

30:58 remember their name but those guys making the engine um oxide oxide we're

31:02 saying that it takes about they said it takes almost not a lot of work two

31:07 months of man hours yeah so if you have even two devs you could do it in a month

31:12 and you can do it like how like how dice is doing it I have no problem with that

31:16 release the game and then follow up with mantle support sure especially for a

31:21 game that's a multiplayer oriented game where we're not talking a single player

31:24 campaign that you're going to play through in a week and then you're going to put the game on the Shelf

31:28 I mean not I mean do people still buy physical games I mean put it away in your steam Library

31:33 um as long as it's not something like that then yeah I have no problem with

31:38 that as long as mantle is well supported

31:41 not only crossplatform but also um cross

31:45 device and that's where you know NVIDIA is going to be at a disadvantage

31:49 implementing this and I hope that that doesn't impede its adoption but at the

31:53 same time you know you got to look at Microsoft Microsoft does have a console

31:56 and they do have a desktop and and you know if you think back to the Xbox one

32:00 that was just a PC it seems like they could have learned these lessons like 10

32:04 years ago and Incorporated it into the Windows OS and one wonders why they

32:09 didn't I I mean this is uh this is this

32:13 is a very this is a very confusing thing to me and I mean my my whole my Outburst

32:17 about Halo um is is sort of a microcosm

32:21 of that I think where Microsoft had this opportunity to be everything to everyone

32:26 for gaming they they really did I mean when PCS got

32:31 more powerful why didn't Microsoft just

32:34 give us an Xbox first gen emulator and

32:37 let us buy Xbox games and run them on our

32:40 PCS really guys why not you could have

32:43 done it I thought that's where they were headed with the Xbox 360 and then all of

32:48 a sudden they put you know power PC they put a Mac processor in the Xbox 360

32:52 isn't that right isn't it a isn't it a power PC yeah it's an IBM power PC I

32:56 think it's like a three core some weird thing and I and I saw that and I went

32:59 what you guys were so close to just being dominant here who could have

33:04 stopped you at that point and then and then if they owned the desktop and they

33:09 owned the notebook and they owned the game console then how much more

33:14 compelling is something like their mobile platform if all of a sudden I can

33:19 get this back library and the the wiel

33:22 alliance can continue and Intel can get into Mobile because all of a sudden

33:26 they're the ones powering the plat that Gamers and enthusiasts want to use

33:31 how how close were they to having that happen how myopic was their view that

33:35 allowed this to occur what happened here well they are back to PC I guess now

33:39 again with the x86 architecture one wonders what that has like what they've

33:42 got up their sleeve for ex the uh DirectX infrastructure or what the

33:46 developer kits look like on on Xbox

33:49 one yeah yeah I mean there it's not like they're down for the count it's not like

33:53 they're out of money I think I saw something not that long ago that says

33:56 their their revenue from Android alone is something like 2 billion a year so so

34:02 they got they got plenty of money to fix

34:06 this all right so speaking of crossplatform this is something that for

34:11 me personally is really exciting and that is streaming from larger devices to

34:17 smaller devices in the home now NVIDIA Shield is something that was met with I

34:22 think a very mixed reaction and I think that's being very generous people for

34:26 the most part said oh it's too expensive and it's stupid why would I even want to

34:30 play my games on this handheld thing when I could be sitting at my PC and I

34:34 think the problem is that NVIDIA's trying to approach the the the

34:37 traditional PC Gamer with this and I think they haven't had much luck

34:41 communicating to console Gamers because there's for whatever reason that weird

34:45 divide between glorious PC gaming Master race and the the console peasants as the

34:49 PC guys like to refer to them um you know we can all blame zero punctuation

34:54 for this but PlayStation 4 is adding a feature

34:59 that Shield was first to Market with and NVIDIA calls it game stream where you

35:03 can stream from your PS4 to a PS Vita

35:06 and play PS4 games on the vaita with of course PlayStation 4 graphical Fidelity

35:11 what are your thoughts on this we actually saw it demo there was a video that came out I think it was today or

35:15 yesterday that was showing that the latency is actually very

35:19 low it it's really interesting that this sort of technology I mean you look at

35:23 the latency of the transport mechanism you know wired versus Wireless

35:28 and I think with the with the PS4 didn't they mention that the 1080p streams have

35:32 to be wired um oh Oh you mean with the shield yeah yeah yes Shield has to use a

35:39 wired USB 2 to gigabit Ethernet adapter

35:42 so you can tell they need more than 100 megabit sustained but less than a full

35:47 gigabit because obviously it's going over USB 2 um in order to achieve 1080p

35:52 streaming okay so the way to think about this and this is just sort of back of

35:57 the envelope there's some different approaches here if you're going to

36:00 stream you can do it Progressive or you can do it uh block based if you're doing

36:05 sort of a progressive stream as soon as the data comes in you send it out again

36:09 when you do that you can't really do any compression you can't compress that

36:13 means you're going to have a lot of data you're going to need a really highspeed connection that's not good news for a

36:17 wireless connection because wireless connections can't handle as much data as a wired connection if you're going to

36:22 send it in chunks it becomes how fast you can encode each chunk of data so

36:27 like let's say hypothetically you've got something running at 10 frames per

36:30 second well why 10 frames per second because it makes the math easy so 10

36:33 frames per second is about 100 milliseconds per frame and if your chunk

36:38 size is one frame it gets a frame in it has to convert it that takes 100

36:42 milliseconds you've added 100 milliseconds of latency so even if you

36:46 have something that runs at 60 frames per second you're adding one 160th of

36:50 second a second of latency to encode that and and send it down the wire even

36:55 if it can run at 60 frames a second so you need something absurdly fast if

37:00 you're going to compress it and do something with it that can you know if you only want to add 1 millisecond of

37:04 latency it has to run at a th000 frames per second it has to be able to process

37:07 a frame in a millisecond because that's the delay that it adds now to be clear

37:11 for the viewers Wendell is not talking about FPS like frames per second in

37:15 terms of GPU processing he's talking about it in terms of encoding

37:20 performance so that is taking the larger image and compressing it and packing it

37:24 into something that is much less data intensive so the the way that we measure

37:28 that is also in frames per second so just just so that's clear for everyone

37:31 so sorry wend keep going no yeah no that's that's exactly right because um

37:37 you get into a situation where you just physically the thing physically can't

37:41 keep up and you know people you know Pro Gamers say that they can feel you know 5

37:45 10 milliseconds I I don't think any human being can really feel the

37:49 difference much less than about 20 or 25 milliseconds but 20 25 milliseconds I

37:53 mean you can get a lot of those time slots in a 1second period and so it

37:58 sounds like that the shield and the PS4 maybe are using different kinds of

38:02 technology and so I think it's going toi a different consumer experience very

38:06 interesting I mean we know that the reason NVIDIA is only allowing gam

38:10 stream on Kepler gpus with their Hardware based encoder is that they have

38:15 dedicated Hardware on the graphics card that is handling this in order to keep

38:20 the latencies low enough so whatever Sony has done um probably isn't that so

38:27 I think you're right it's very fair to say that they're using a completely

38:30 different implementation one other thing one other real problem I have with

38:34 Sony's implementation regardless of how they're doing the encoding is that the

38:38 PS4 only uses 2.4 GHz that is single

38:41 band wireless n which means that as much

38:44 as this demo might work on you know in a

38:47 keynote or the demo might work in a reviewer's office where there's one

38:52 other Wi-Fi network wait till someone turns a microwave on wait till someone

38:56 turns a microwave on wait till someone yeah exactly you bring your you bring

38:59 your Vita into the kitchen to like you know microwave your pizza pop and you

39:02 want to play your game while you wait yeah good luck with that and then wait till someone in an apartment buys a PS4

39:07 and aita and there's 100 wireless hotspots within range this is just plain

39:11 old not going to work yeah it's the wireless situation is going to be really

39:15 bad even if you even if everything is ideal if you have two devices going at

39:19 the same time all of unless your wireless access point is a really

39:24 high-end commercial access point that has multiple radios um almost all the

39:28 the access points out there have trouble sending and receiving multiple streams

39:31 that's why like the you know triple antenna receiver blah blah blah was sort

39:35 of in Vogue a couple years ago and it's still around with like the Dual Band 2.4

39:39 and 5 GHz that kind of thing mitigates the problem but the 2.4 only even if you

39:43 get two devices they're going to be competing with one another and it's like

39:47 the hardware implementations of dealing with that competition is only just dirty

39:51 dirty hacks and it doesn't really work and for something like streaming it's

39:54 it's you can't even watch Netflix yep no

39:58 you're you're absolutely absolutely right I mean NVIDIA just plain old says

40:03 Nope you don't have you don't have a 5 GHz wireless connection so we're just

40:08 not even just you press it and it just says Nope uh they they just say look you

40:12 need this router deal with it whereas Sony I think by allowing quote unquote

40:18 better compatibility is actually going to be hurting the enduser experience

40:23 yeah yeah they would have to have a com like a like a hardware h26 4 encoder or

40:28 something in Hardware that can run at like 100 150 frames per second just to

40:32 make that come out and that's probably not an inexpensive piece of

40:36 Hardware yeah so I mean you know some

40:40 thought some thoughts there now okay what what we also did just for just for

40:44 fun is we did a bit of a cost Showdown here so maybe I'll let you talk about

40:47 this loot because you worked on it okay so we compared a few things so PS Vita I

40:51 looked I looked on new eggs so we had more rounded out numbers so this assumes

40:55 you don't own aita cuz as far as I've never actually seen one in someone's

40:58 hands so there uh PS feed is about 200

41:03 bucks and a shield is about 300 bucks on their own so if you got that but then

41:06 you need the other Hardware to run them so I looked into it and said Okay a PS4

41:11 is about $3.99 so with a PS v it's about

41:14 $5.99 as a combo because I looked around and didn't see any combos for that but

41:18 and we may see bundles we may see bundles so bundles will change the

41:21 landscape somewhat so okay go ahead um

41:25 and then Shield is about 2 99 as we know

41:28 but if you buy it with a graphics card so let's say a 770 you can get a GTX 770

41:33 a shield um Batman Arham

41:38 Origins why am I forget spinter Cell Blacklist and Assassin's Creed 4 Black

41:42 Flag so you're getting three games all for 549 and if you wanted to buy so

41:48 that's that's $5.99 for a PS4 and a Vita or 549 for 770 a shield three games and

41:55 if you wanted those three games with the PlayStation it would would be around

41:58 $750 so that's pretty compelling looking expensive PC gaming is starting to look

42:03 like it makes a whole lot of sense and if we see NVIDIA support something like

42:08 mantle I mean NVIDIA's future even more than we saw already maybe in Solutions

42:14 and their mobile processors even more than we already knew because if they go

42:19 and support mantle with this we could be looking at a situation where you can

42:23 take a crap CPU your old machine you can

42:26 buy a graphics card you can get a shield

42:30 or some other mobile platform from NVIDIA that supports this

42:33 technology and have a great gaming experience that's really competitive

42:38 with the price and performance of a console and just makes well actually

42:41 makes console's performance just look stupid can I get a shout out to the PC

42:46 Master race I know right well the just the

42:50 thing of it is I've been using Shield pretty extensively lately I don't find

42:53 much time to game I don't find much time when I'm sitting at my computer I'm usually uploading videos or something or

42:58 like researching topics for the W show it's hard for me to be at my computer

43:02 and just play a game whereas I got an Invidia shield and I've actually almost

43:07 finished Batman Arkham City in the last couple weeks I'm actually find because I

43:10 can I can play with it in bed it works am amazingly well you need a beast

43:15 router you really do even my EA 4200 just choked on it I needed to get an

43:20 ASUS rtn 66u which is like super two

43:24 thumbs up for that router um but it is an amazing experience and people need to

43:29 need to get it like uh we had a we have a new camera guy that just started he's

43:33 an intern and he was he was filming uh I

43:36 was talking about these Bluetooth MGA power controllers that um give your your

43:41 your battery life a bit of a boost on your phone and they clip to your phone so you can play Android games and it's

43:46 like $80 for the high-end one and I and I showed him a shield he's like what's

43:51 that thing I'm like oh well it's like got a genuinely console grade controller

43:54 it plays your Android games and you can stream games from your computer and play

43:57 them on here and he's like w Really

44:01 NVIDIA is just so terrible at marketing to mainstream they just have no idea

44:04 that this exists I think that um when the steam

44:09 box takes off you're going to see a lot more peripherals like that and I think

44:14 that it's going to get a lot more it's it's going to get a lot more visibility

44:17 but the the the problem I guess that probably steam has right now is that

44:22 you've got NVIDIA that has a lot of these really cool Innovative things but

44:25 they're kind of expensive which is not good for an appliance from an appliance

44:28 standpoint and you have AMD who's sort of bringing the rain with very

44:32 inexpensive Hardware on both CPU and GPU side that can really bring it home which

44:37 is going to be much better suited for a console like PC

44:40 Appliance yep that's very very true so

44:44 you know whether I mean okay so NVIDIA's benef so if we're going to go pros and

44:48 cons list NVIDIA is going to have gam stream and then AMD by by proxy so

44:52 through Steam OS is going to have the console mode of game stream which he

44:57 also supports if you get a weird adapter and whatever whatever whatever so it's

45:01 going to be basically do I want to pay more to have the mobile experience on

45:05 top of the couch experience or do I want the value optimized solution that spanks

45:09 the consoles in terms of performance and you know in terms of having all these

45:13 Indie Games in this huge game library but doesn't support mobile at the same

45:19 time someone could make an open platform style of a shield so a really really

45:23 similar product that's still running Android but then isn't down to a GPU but

45:28 then NVIDIA's strength a lot of the time is in their proprietariness For Better

45:32 or For Worse it's the fact that I mean we were joking about this earlier as

45:36 much as this stream is going to be once Wendell leaves we have a bunch more AMD

45:40 stuff where we're going to be like r r ra AMD um stuff like raptor is not

45:44 competitive with stuff like GeForce experience stuff like AMD's

45:47 implementation of stereoscopic 3D and we can talk all day about whether stereoscopic 3D matters or not and I

45:52 think we're going to all come to the same conclusion that no one cares um but

45:56 it wasn't comp comptitive with 3D Vision NVIDIA is great at delivering a great

46:00 experience within their closed ecosystem but then open platforms can sometimes

46:04 have that shining jewel in the dust there can usually there not usually

46:07 there can sometimes be the open platform that is better than proprietary platform

46:11 and if you make something like that it is possible that some big group will step behind it like maybe Splashtop they

46:16 could maybe be the back end so there's a company behind it that could push it forward and it could still make it some

46:21 of AMD stuff that's open platform is still very strong you know it's

46:24 interesting you mentioned Splashtop because um I the I have an iPad and on

46:29 the iPad I have Splashtop and I've experimented with it and on newer iPads

46:34 it is actually disturbingly fast but on

46:38 when I'm on an access point that's only 2.4 GHz it is a completely different

46:42 experience than when it's on 5 GHz yeah

46:45 I mean I think we can sorry go ahead people would have to have the right Hardware implementations all around to

46:50 make it work and if Splashtop made some like very

46:53 optimized uh application sources for running games it could maybe be better

46:58 and they they could have it like in gaming mode or something so it works

47:01 that way better something in the future but like for for an open platform to

47:05 work like that there would be need to be some big backer I mean I think the networking guys have to be licking their

47:09 chops right now yeah because all this technology is going to rely on people to

47:14 finally go and upgrade their Wireless G routers because up until now web

47:18 browsing why you know um there is a

47:22 wireless there is a piece of Wireless technology that I have I have actually been impressed with and it's it's

47:26 mundane but and I think you'll be surprised but it's the Dell Wireless

47:31 dock for their latitudes it's like some sort of high frequency it's like 8 GHz

47:36 or something special and I'm used to you know a good docking solution but it's

47:40 got a range of like 6 feet it literally if it's more than 6 ft away from the

47:44 dock it doesn't work but it can deliver you know the on the docking station I

47:48 I've got three you know 1920 x 1200 uh monitor outputs and USB 3 and all these

47:54 really high-speed peripherals and it sort of freaks me out that I don't have to plug the laptop into anything and

48:00 that's a nice technology that's pretty awesome actually I hav but the range is

48:03 terrible but the range is terrible you know what uh Samsung had something

48:07 similar with their Central Station um I don't think they were using high

48:11 frequency they were using a proprietary USB 3 of some sort I I'm I did a video

48:16 about it a long time ago I can't remember how it worked cuz it was prohibitively expensive but I it it was

48:21 a very very similar concept where the idea was that you just brought your PC

48:25 within range and and then it had a dongle that you had to plug into the PC

48:29 it was USB based because uh whereas Dell

48:33 I guess can just build this functionality into their laptops but

48:36 when you brought it in range you were able able to wirelessly transmit you

48:40 know all the signaling for your peripherals and uh an Ethernet and

48:44 display uh to from the laptop to the display where it would act as as a hub

48:48 that you could plug everything into so this kind of stuff is very very much the

48:53 future I'm excited about Wireless I've hated Wireless for a long time Wireless

48:57 AC even actually addresses a lot of my issues with it have you have you played

49:00 around with AC much yeah at home I've got the um I've got a Cisco commercial

49:05 grade um Wireless AC access point and

49:09 cuz yeah I don't I don't want to fool around wow that's awesome what do one of

49:13 those run you um they're well if you get them retail they're about a th bucks but

49:17 if you know a guy you can get them for about 300 all

49:20 right you've actually peaked my interest with that $300 price point

49:25 yeah yeah yeah well it turns out if you want to paint the neighborhood with the

49:29 signal that's what you need all righty then fascinating okay

49:34 well yeah know what I think that was pretty much it for the topics that we

49:37 had lined up uh I would love for guys

49:40 let let Logan give give Logan a big thank you so uh I think it's Tech

49:45 Syndicate on Twitter for for allowing us to have some of Wendell's time you know

49:50 I know that that you guys are an awesome tag team over there and we've had Logan

49:54 on the show before it's been a total pleasure to have you you've been

49:57 requested so much so I want to you know

50:00 thank you your team collectively both Logan and you for being generous enough

50:04 to lend us some of your time and some of your expertise this has been absolutely

50:07 fantastic oh no problem anytime anytime

50:10 uh it's it's all good I'll I'll let him know that I'm being returned in slightly

50:13 used condition but it's okay we haven't abused you too much here have

50:18 we no no it's all good twitch chat tell

50:21 Wendell he's great okay you know we don't we we don't want to beat him up

50:25 over here yeah everyone says come back come back we can't live without you yeah

50:28 they they love you so thank you very much man remember guys you can watch

50:31 Wendell over on the tech Syndicate YouTube channel which is

50:36 youtube.com/ ra theor with that o being a zero which I've teased him about

50:40 endlessly I was like dude what what were you thinking but now it's too late so

50:45 there you go he's stuck with it so I'll talk to you soon man take care thanks

50:49 all right take care all right so let's move oh our

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54:12 stops and will not go past St I was even

54:15 thinking it when I typed it I was thinking it when I typed it I was like I'm going to think of star and it's SCB

54:21 so it's like Starcraft yeah and then and then there's then there's Bao and I'm

54:25 like black something else what no okay so yeah

54:30 sorry about that so lost I knew what they were too but I was just reading

54:34 those acronyms my head just completely froze yeah SC2 also Supreme Commander 2

54:39 which I never got because I was always thinking Starcraft yeah man okay anyways

54:44 so yeah so anyway we we're going to have Google Glass so that's a thing that's

54:48 going to be really cool I can't believe my new genen Kindle paper white arrived

54:52 today remember how long ago I ordered that stupid thing a month and I was like

54:56 yeah I want to do an unboxing while it's still

54:59 relevant yeah it was like 6 weeks it's like ridiculous it's like thanks thanks

55:03 for that Amazon they shipped they shipped the cover for it back when I

55:06 order I don't even know where it is anymore I haven't seen it in a long time

55:10 me neither it's probably under a pile of things ridiculous anyway I love Amazon a

55:14 lot but some things I don't love so let's just move on to our next topic

55:19 here which is ah yes more AMD news of

55:22 course AMD has updated the never settle forever progr a super confusing way in a

55:28 super confusing way because back when never settle came out it was like look

55:33 this is great buy all the graphics cards get all the games you love it and we did

55:38 we did boy did we ever love it definitely oh we loved

55:41 it okay so now it is about the most

55:45 confusing chart that I've ever seen in my life which you know I've seen a lot

55:49 of confusing charts in my life oh wait before we keep going we should do a Twitter Blitz after this or something

55:53 yeah okay so guys Twitter Blitz something we did end up having time cuz

55:57 Wendell was an amazing guest and we wanted to talk to him about all the

56:00 things so we didn't end up getting to do a Twitter Blitz with him but let's just

56:03 do like random Q&A hit us all

56:07 right so first of all there's this graphic which is like okay what so

56:13 r9270 and up to R9 290x has Battlefield

56:18 4 with a checkbox maybe maybe which is confusing because AMD is providing codes

56:23 to retailers maybe maybe depending on

56:27 the qu to qualifying retailers and the retailers will at their discretion

56:32 bundle this game with their cards maybe

56:36 maybe while supplies last maybe maybe so

56:40 basically unless you have verified that

56:43 the retailer you're buying from is providing that game with that card

56:48 nothing is guaranteed okay then r7260x

56:51 so the only one out of the new generation cards to be added to never

56:55 settle forever officially even though some retailers have been doing never

56:59 settle Forever on New Gen cards such as NC um which is why I got confused and

57:04 was saying that it was on it because NCIX was shipping them anyway so that

57:08 has been added to the silver never settle forever which means you get two

57:12 games okay so hold on a second it's not over yet folks so I I don't even know

57:17 what this is I'm using the stupid Metro

57:20 uh Internet Explorer so I don't even I don't know what I'm doing right now so

57:24 let's go ahead and open this again oh this is a yeah it looks so Chrome like

57:29 now really annoying yeah I'm I'm I'm not happy okay

57:34 so there okay so there's that so then never settle forever has also been

57:39 altered okay so let's scroll down and let's open up this graph so this is from

57:43 videoc cards.com just so that we make sure we're we're crediting the source

57:46 because I didn't make these graphs mind you I don't think they necessarily made

57:50 all of them either all right so they have added Thief to never settle forever

57:55 but only in the silver and gold tiers I mean talk about tier full not

58:00 the 200 tier or whatever not the bronze

58:03 tier so you can pick in the bronze tier one game out of the list of qualifying

58:08 games which is not BF so BF4 is only on r9200 series not available in never

58:13 settle forever doesn't include Tomb Raider doesn't include Thief okay but

58:16 you can pick one of any of these then in the silver tier you can pick two of any

58:19 of these but not Tomb Raider okay not Tomb Raider not BF4 and then the gold

58:22 tier you can pick three of any of them except not BF4

58:26 so AMD we love you thank you for giving

58:30 us all the games but you're naming conventions and your little weird naming

58:35 schemes and category things is not

58:38 really working out they asked me to

58:42 settle they asked me to settle for one game or two you know what got me too is

58:46 we were talking about like the R9 R7 thing a bunch and how like certain ones

58:50 should probably be moved into categories and stuff why is an r7260x in the same

58:54 category as an r7240 exactly I agree with you 100% what the

58:59 hell I mean we love you AMD the graphics cards are great we just wish you'd call

59:02 them something else and the other thing to is the whole never settle and we're better at game bundles thing um feels a

59:08 little bit Hollow when NVIDIA is doing their holiday promotion which is Beast

59:13 is all hell yeah Assassin's Creed Black Flag uh Splinter Cell Blacklist black

59:18 light Black List Black List and then Batman Arkham Origins on the higher tier

59:22 card so you're getting two to three games so for 290x versus is 780 hold on

59:27 a minute you might get Battlefield 4 or

59:30 you will get these three games that are also compelling and you will get $100

59:34 off of of a shield which is also a compelling experience so it's like now

59:40 we're settling but then mantle but then mantle 20 to 50% more performance

59:44 potentially then maybe mantle on NVIDIA but then power consumption and noise but

59:49 then maybe NVIDIA is going to and then what if you want gsync it's a great time

59:52 to buy a graphics card because it's hard to make a wrong decision because they're

59:56 just all gonna be awesome yeah pretty much all right so this is this is

60:00 something that's actually GNA be a bit of a quick topic here but speaking of

60:05 Microsoft um we actually talked about their stupid publicity stunt where they

60:08 put a giant Xbox One in a parking lot in Vancouver here's another one oh my a you

60:13 piece of garbage okay so um they're putting an Xbox One in New Zealand so so

60:18 so whoever whoever gets this Xbox One the lucky winner will get to be I'm just

60:23 going to turn the volume off because I have no idea how loud it is I'm I'm

60:27 sorry in advance how is this not working

60:30 how is it not working there you go

60:34 anyway find the Sharks cuz I want sharks

60:37 with freaking laser beams attached to their heads how complicated is this so

60:41 the first person in the world to get an Xbox one will be someone in New Zealand

60:45 who wins this one that they're actually putting into a shark tank that has

60:48 something like 20 sharks in it so it's like not a trivial number of sharks um I

60:54 think that's really all there is to say about it yeah it's even than the Press

60:58 who have them yeah even well yeah even in the video they're like oh well we

61:03 don't know who's going to go get it I'm assuming it's going to be the

61:07 same divers that went down to put it in but it was just kind of funny yeah I mean it's it'd be you know what a

61:12 liability problem that would be if someone actually like went in there and

61:15 tried to get it and died that' be pretty epic and if there was anywhere where

61:19 that would happen it would be down under no I'm I mean I think I think

61:24 Australians and New Zealand ERS would be the first to admit that I know but just

61:29 last week attacking the sheep and then now calling them crazy well I love those

61:33 guys I okay think about it this way you guys the time slot that we have for the

61:37 W show have we not demonstrated we love you I think Australia and New Zealand

61:41 actually have the best time slot for the wi show our own time Z on time on our

61:47 own time zone gets the B it's terrible because it's like starts at 4:30 when

61:51 everyone's still at work yeah I know right it's like uh Timmy Timmy tech TV

61:55 was like hey lonus I uh can never watch your show anymore it's like I thought we

62:00 were friends B just like sorry dude all

62:03 right uh so this last topic before the Twitter Blitz what is it doing I don't

62:08 know look at what I'm doing I like touch here and I try to scroll just like

62:12 changed are you are you swiping left maybe if it

62:15 goes no no no I thought that might have been a thing unbelievable okay so

62:20 Samsung and Intel find 36 more companies to back selected all of this by swiping

62:25 left and for there well that's ridiculous uh left and right there oh I hate it all right so Samsung and Intel

62:30 finds 36 more companies to back Tien their Android

62:34 competitor so it's an open- based Linux based open- based open source Linux I'm

62:39 I you know what I should just leave open source Linux based operating system it's

62:43 got some interesting backers so the new companies backing it include eBay Konami

62:48 macafe Panasonic and The Weather Channel so if I've ever seen a rag tag group of

62:53 companies to band together and supp

62:56 something that yeah is confusing which is like Intel again because maffy is

63:00 owned by Intel um okay so the cool some of the cool

63:05 things about it it'll allow developers to work in CSS HTML 5 and JavaScript

63:09 which is interesting but is that a security issue kind of weird yeah yeah

63:14 it's like kind of random and seems to open up a lot open up more doors than it

63:18 closes so to speak uh performance has been shown off before and if I had my

63:22 other laptop I would play this YouTube video for you but they just they like

63:27 look at a gallery which uses all the most useless possible things like

63:31 putting pictures on a cube and then they call someone okay yes and I know it's like

63:36 how do you show it off but like dude it's on crappy Hardware though so so

63:40 Samsung showed it off on something like a Galaxy S2 and they were doing some

63:44 cool I mean the cool thing about it was that it was an HTML 5 based app as

63:48 opposed to being I think they both were I think even the calling was so so

63:52 that's really neat um is this going to

63:56 topple the mighty Google Empire

64:00 no one thing that I noticed was with the companies that backed it sorry to cut

64:04 you off there no I I wasn't talking anymore I just said no yeah that was it

64:07 I was done one thing I noticed about the companies that are backing it are

64:10 they're all companies that Google is basically trying to just circumvent and

64:15 being like nope this is our own thing like The Weather Channel Google's kind

64:19 of doing their own thing maffy they're kind of starting to bundle their own

64:22 thing like it's it's all it's all stuff that that they're Google is trying to

64:27 get rid of so they're all like oh maybe we should back this thing over here it

64:30 is kind of like but it isn't going to work I'm a lot more interested in

64:34 something like Ubuntu phone I actually you know what I actually just cleared

64:38 this with uh with Brandon and I'm going to borrow his Galaxy Nexus because that

64:42 happens to be one of the two phones no no I'm going to I'm going to finish last

64:46 one yeah his old yeah his Galaxy Nexus so I'm going to finish my Nexus 5 review

64:50 and then as long as nothing else arrives I'm going to man guys xeria Z1 and Nexus

64:55 5 are really making me miss my HTC1 I can't wait to get it back I'm actually

64:58 going to throw Cyanogen mod on it hopefully as long as I can get

65:02 everything sufficiently unlocked cuz I don't have a play story Edition one oh

65:06 so but I have a I have an early developer one my my original one oh so

65:12 that might be compat I don't know anyway so I'm going to ask Brandon to let me

65:16 borrow his Galaxy Nexus and I'm going to try a bun phone I I'll do like a 30-day

65:20 look I'll I'll give this a shot you have to remember that it's going to be slow

65:24 and the battery life's not going to be that good it's not going to be's fault I know but I'm I just want to try it I

65:28 want to be like okay well look what if I want to play Pac-Man can I you those

65:32 kinds of things if I want to check the weather can I so I find that very

65:35 exciting u i mean Ubuntu has the the

65:38 resources and they have the track record of delivering free operating systems for

65:43 Better or For Worse and getting support and and building and the improvements

65:48 that they've been doing and like the cons like Mass consumer usability of

65:52 Linux that Ubuntu has been spearheading for a while is been really they claim to

65:57 be the OS on 10% of new PCS shipping

66:00 today that's unbelievable well it's not North America but but overall I don't

66:04 care North America whatever like I'm just I'm just saying that that's why

66:08 it's probably so unbelievable yeah that's extremely exciting that's extremely exciting yeah so let's go

66:13 ahead and head over to the uh the Twitter boards um someone says get mubot

66:17 or any bot in chat we had muot it was a big problem it's it's a really big

66:21 problem yeah about the smart fridge how about implementing RFID tags on products

66:24 which will hold data expired dat in ingredients absolutely that would be

66:28 amazing huge deal or even like if you

66:31 okay think about this if you could like grab apples or something and instead of

66:36 the traditional twist tie you can bring your own thing of RFID twist ties you

66:41 tie it up and they have a little programmer there or you use your phone

66:44 or something and you just go buying apples today Boop yeah and like anything

66:49 that's like that you could do with your phone or your own little twist Tire or whatever you just brought up and then

66:53 like milk it could just be programmed into the barcode on the milk like it's

66:57 and then and then with coupled with the Amazon thing the day your milk expires

67:01 some dude could show up with milk and be like yep throw your old milk away here's

67:04 new milk wouldn't that be amazing awesome um zodiac soulmate says ASUS

67:08 just te teased the Mars 760 yeah um

67:11 could it be something about NVIDIA's Kepler licens other manufacturers no no I don't think so I think it's just one

67:16 of those things where these dual GPU cards don't sell particularly well and the engineering that goes into them is

67:21 unbelievable the cost of it like ASUS loses money on every Mar card 100% trust

67:27 me they do wouldn't be surprised at all they do I mean the amount of money that

67:30 it took to even build the stupid heat sink on Aries too the amount of

67:34 revisions they did to even tool that thing like they lost money it totally

67:38 money losing proposition Mar 760 um is a

67:41 similar so that's why no one does it we actually have one coming cool yeah it's

67:45 interesting I I looked at it it's interesting have you seen like the

67:49 concept photos for the no I haven't even seen it no not not for this for uh it's

67:54 fake I'm oh we for Black coming too oh

67:58 cool that's actually pretty cool um but yeah someone someone leaked concept

68:02 photos for a dual 290x GPU card oh yeah

68:06 and they just like added a fan to $79.90 and it's like super

68:11 long I was like there's no way there's like one case that that canit that card

68:15 would have to be liquid cool like dual rad liquid cool yeah they have four fans

68:19 on it like okay just upgraded to a 477k

68:24 from a Pentium 4 good work Andrew enjoy

68:27 that do you think that smartphones would become the new laptop um if Wireless

68:32 standards like what Wendell's talking about with docking stations become a

68:35 thing and something like Ubuntu phone maybe yeah because with Ubuntu

68:40 phone you dock and it turns into a full OS and if we can have steam running on

68:43 it all of a sudden we can game on it and more like a desktop experience I think

68:47 the future is very exciting yeah uh what do you think about famous YouTubers like

68:51 total biscuit disabling YouTube comments I think that it's great that they're

68:55 trying to send a message to Google and YouTube I think that Google and YouTube

68:59 probably have some idea that it's a problem at this point um one thing

69:04 that's interesting is unbox therapy somehow has the old comment system on

69:07 his channel and he has a Facebook post the only YouTube channel that still has

69:11 the old comment system I don't know how he did it but uh awesome I suspect he

69:14 won't even tell me because he just like trade secret or something or maybe he

69:18 just like luckily didn't get bumped I don't even know what it is but anyway um

69:23 I think it's important that they're sending a message and that's cool I think YouTube and Google know and

69:27 they'll do something um and for me personally I don't see the difference

69:31 between disabled comments and spam comments that we can just all not look

69:35 at i h i hate the new comment system but

69:39 the main reason why I hate the new comment system is when you see the top dude it's like 300 comments on his post

69:44 they can fix it so easily though there's things that they can do and it can be

69:50 better so let's just let's just give them a chance um and I'm not going to

69:55 hurt my own search rankings to send a message to Google and YouTube that they

69:58 already know not going to change anything like people so someone said uh

70:01 you should disable it let people talk about on the Forum okay go talk about on

70:04 the Forum I would love for you to go talk on the Forum but the reality of it is is that

70:09 YouTube comments are and I believe always will be lowest common denominator

70:14 people who aren't willing to go and talk about it on the Forum you can have a way

70:17 more intelligent conversation about any of the videos we make on our Forum 100%

70:21 okay and and if you post if there's a problem with the video like in a very

70:25 video if you post something like that on the Forum like I reply to those all the

70:29 time there's a reply under that one saying like oh this is what's wrong this

70:32 is what the change should be no one saw it no one liked it the Forum is the way

70:36 to interact to with us people send me YouTube private messages I'm like what

70:39 what are you high I get hundreds of them I can't look at all these whereas when I

70:43 get private messages on the Forum I try to respond to them if there's something to be responded to if it's just like

70:48 YOLO swag 420 Linus I think you're awesome I'll be like yeah okay cool user

70:52 on the Forum yellow yellow swag 420 smoke it I think every single time I see

70:56 him post on anything I'm just like oh my brain uh should I expect some sweet

71:01 deals on new genen cards around Christmas this year I would stay tuned

71:04 for Black Friday that's where you'll actually get thewe I'm excited I've

71:07 heard tons of rumors I don't know if you've heard about this Note 3 on Black

71:10 Friday is supposed to like be super cheap huh that's cool like actually

71:15 sensibly purchasable cheap which heat sink should I get with a node 605 um

71:20 Noctua has a really nice low profile one that we will be unboxing soon and then

71:23 installing in edel's video editing rig I forget what it's called though L

71:27 something basically find the noct a low profile one all this this is my answer

71:32 what cooler should I get find the Noctua one that fits Noctua did not pay me to

71:38 say this although I uh no I'm not going to talk about lonus what do you think of

71:42 the PS4 red line of death I think that the the rumors of its death have been

71:46 greatly exaggerated the the number that's being

71:49 thrown around right now is 4% which is within not a h deal any information on

71:55 lonus Edition Corsair fans I have no plans for Corsair fans lonus Edition

72:00 fans would you rather eat a piece of your old garlic bread or rub Sriracha on

72:05 your face and kiss lick I've probably eaten year old garlic bread before so

72:09 I'm going to go with that hook up the graphics card cooling

72:14 Loop to an AC during winter equals winning um you know what I actually

72:18 brought the chiller the other day it's here now you know do you know anyone who

72:22 can do metal fabrication yes let's get it done it won't be cheap all that's

72:27 fine let's get it done let's make an enclosure so that we can I know someone

72:30 who can make custom cases for us entire computer cases okay let's get a case for

72:35 the chiller the challenge I had before was that I needed appropriate insulation

72:39 on the tank for the cold side that was the issue I had before but if we could

72:44 make a case for it it would be heavy we could put it on Wheels though but we

72:47 need to get it self-contained cuz that's the only reason I don't use it they can

72:50 cat it for us and everything okay let's do it it won't be cheap okay are we

72:54 talking $10,000 not cheap or are we talking $1,000 not cheap probably like

72:59 the lower one okay I have no idea though

73:02 um hook okay have you heard the alarm clock that tells you how long you've got

73:05 left to live no that's awesome Squarespace win a

73:10 website event # o crap yeah I know what are your thoughts of the wallet

73:14 replacement coin card haven't actually seen that

73:19 interesting I'm from New Zealand I bet they hid the Xbox in Auckland it's it's

73:23 in a it's in the yeah it's not not hidden all right so back to the show uh

73:29 the humble store is up this is pretty cool um this is both cool and it seems

73:34 like sort of a step in a direction that that I don't want them to go yeah oh

73:38 yeah like what the devil is this exactly um fixed percentage of sales sharing at

73:43 10 which is like so this is what just

73:47 happened what is this thing

73:51 doing it's taking inputs and it's not putting them to the right place well it

73:55 should stop that

73:59 like okay why don't you just use a real browser why am I in that browser Now

74:04 where's the other one I hate this I saw you just open that one I hate my life

74:08 well I don't hate my life I just hate this just use a you've got look real

74:13 browser I know but I have it open here and I'm logged in okay there we go I

74:18 don't even know what I did well you dragged down from the top back to Humble Bundle I'm trying to click on the okay

74:23 so the original Humble Bundle concept okay indie games um we want to support

74:27 Indie developers you choose a charitable

74:31 donation money to give to the Indie Game Dev or money to give to the Humble

74:34 Bundle organization that was the original concept okay then we got the

74:38 humble weekly sale which is whatever it

74:41 is it's basically an excuse to run two bundles at the same time as far as I can

74:44 tell and then the humble store which is not bundles it is games that you buy and

74:50 instead of choosing where the money goes now it is 10% of the proceeds go to

74:54 charity period period have we have we lost our way a little bit here uh one

74:59 thing about this is we never see big AAA new titles on the Humble Bundle okay and

75:04 this has Splinter Cell Blacklist Red fashion collection far C

75:09 Cry 3 blood Dragon for like 10 bucks just like $5 off which is like it's a

75:14 deal but it's not that compelling and why am I giving you 10% for this I mean

75:17 basically they're just leveraging the traffic that they got by being good guys

75:21 and becoming a steam competitor they're still being good guys cuz there's 10%

75:25 going and I and I think it would probably be harder to get developers to

75:28 jump on the store idea so that's probably where it has to go they

75:32 probably have to have slightly bigger margins because they're probably have the people in the store taking more they

75:37 can probably promise the developer higher margin this way as well whereas

75:41 Humble Bundle is just like okay freefor all but Humble Bundle has traditionally

75:45 been either indie or if it's AAA it's old like my understanding is that EA had

75:51 a lot of the contributions not go to EA

75:54 as compared other humble bundles this is I'm not going to say who I heard this

75:57 from but I heard it so people were less

76:01 inclined to give someone like EA money that was in the EA bundle the only

76:04 really compelling thing was Battlefield 3 and they were replacing it in like a

76:08 month or two but that's not and they basically gave it away for free now

76:11 that's not even the point necessarily I mean the point is that people were

76:15 willing to pay money for the game they just weren't willing to give it to EA

76:19 whereas if EA sells games through humble store then at least they're guaranteed

76:23 some kind of a cut yeah so I understand the business here it just seems like um

76:28 it just see it just seems like they aren't what they used to be so let's just be aware of that which doesn't make

76:33 humble bundles not a great deal it just makes them not what they used to be

76:36 that's all we have 5,000 live viewers right now guys thank you for watching

76:42 that is amazing you guys are awesome that is all all right uh

76:48 let's I want my laptop back I don't know why my DisplayPort output isn't working

76:55 okay anyways do you want to go on another Ranch you talking about

76:58 kiat no no no no you know what actually

77:02 my problems with Nexus 5 so far have nothing to do with Kit Kat oh I like

77:05 kitat okay no actually all the things I'm going to [ __ ] about are more to do

77:08 with other stuff oh um so I have a review coming at the Nexus 5 for those

77:12 of you who don't follow me on Instagram which I think is most of you um KitKat

77:16 Android 4.4 has a feature that will allow rooting to basically be disabled

77:22 which we've heard before rooting this is rooting going away reading but it may

77:26 actually be true this time I wanted to talk with Wendell about this shoot I

77:30 meant to move this up to our guest segment yeah cuz he had some really interesting input I have read already

77:34 that the Nexus 5 is already rooted right but this article so the article on PC

77:40 pcmag.com okay no I don't want to sign up for your offers go away all right so

77:45 there's a picture of an Android made of Kit Kat bars I need food I am so hungry

77:50 like my blood sugar is low and I shouldn't even be on the air right now

77:55 so what has been built into Android 4.4

77:58 KitKat essentially is the ability for a

78:02 handset maker to block rooting now there are security implications here there are

78:07 reasons why you wouldn't want root access to be available to just about

78:11 anyone because rooting has become so easy that it's not even just for power

78:16 users anymore that really understand the implications of the like I'm not a power

78:19 user when it comes to phones and when it comes to digital security not really I

78:23 actually rely on on him in a big way to

78:26 support me and help me with these kinds of things because I know some I know

78:30 just enough to be dangerous and that is exactly what phone rooting can be it can

78:34 be just people who know just enough to be dangerous but don't know enough to

78:38 know how to protect themselves and I'm not saying rooting should be taken away

78:41 from the power users I'm just saying that it's a can of worms so what they're

78:45 going to allow is someone like Samsung who has been locking down functionality

78:49 on their phones left and right to basically go look this phone is not

78:54 rootable okay now Google has not opted to make

78:59 the Nexus 5 unrootable in fact there was a route for it before it was released

79:02 and it's apparently phenomenally easy so I think they're doing a couple of things

79:06 here so number one is they're positioning Nexus devices as the clear

79:09 power user choice because I think they know that whatever they think about it

79:14 there's going to be certain handset makers that are going to want to lock this down number two is they are

79:19 allowing Android to be potentially more secure on platforms where handset makers

79:25 feel like they can get away with it and so Samsung so like Samsung I think this

79:30 is interesting for senen mod because

79:34 they just tried to be like oh hey everyone we're going to make that way

79:37 easier Implement implementation we're going to make one click a thing we're

79:41 going to make all this other kind of stuff and then now Google's like L

79:45 here's this thing although they're not putting on Nexus devices which is kind of cool I'm still to try it I'm becoming

79:49 more and more of a phone guy all the time so this is my first experience with

79:53 vanilla Android Android experience um

79:56 I'm going to be trying out uh ubu phone at some point I'm going to try out

80:01 Cyanogen MOD as soon as I get my HTC1 back um but I'm I'm excited I'm I'm like

80:06 I'm getting to the point where I can make observations about phones that aren't just stupid are you leaving how

80:11 are we getting all the gear there on

80:14 Monday okay we'll figure it out we have a shoot on Monday so um I

80:20 don't I will be benchmarking games our next topic is

80:26 is AMD to

80:32 bring

80:35 wow just oh so this was posted on the

80:38 Forum by top war gamer and the original articles from polygon.com so AMD to

80:44 release tress effects 2.0 animates grass and

80:47 fur so now we can have loft's hair and

80:52 grass animated by Tres effects wow you

80:55 just made that joke well I kind of had to wow all right so trust FX um oh

81:02 God I mean there's good things about it so it's supported on both AMD and NVIDIA

81:07 so that's a thing it's phenomenally performance intensive uh I mean on

81:12 lowend cards what kind of performance Deltas were you seeing it almost halfed

81:15 it like not quite but like close on

81:19 something like a 260x on the on the r7240 video you'll notice that it's it's

81:23 pretty high setting but with TR effects off so that's a real barrier um I mean

81:27 mantle may may alleviate these issues somewhat and improve the performance of

81:32 it it's like I thanked everyone for being here and that we had 5,000 viewers

81:35 and it went like all the way down to like 4700 for a bit there it's like yeah

81:39 well you know whatever L us screw you man well actually I think it's just that

81:43 the stream started late so people are and we're currently at yeah we're near

81:47 5,000 I'm using the xsplit number which isn't always uh which isn't always up to

81:51 date sometimes it's zero I mean the other problem that I have with tres so

81:55 besides the performance hit maybe mantle can alleviate this but it probably won't

81:58 on NVIDIA because even though effects works on NVIDIA blah blah blah they

82:01 won't have mantle unless they Implement mantle so it's all up in the air right now is that the game list is a little

82:06 bit ghost town I mean I criticize physx

82:10 I do I I have criticized physx many times in the past not because it isn't

82:13 great technology it is it's cool it could have ushered in a new era of

82:19 gameplay if it hadn't been tied first to a proprietary PCI addin card and then to

82:24 one GPU maker but I'm going to criticize trust effects for the same thing right

82:28 now the the the game list is is Tomb

82:31 Raider but and Tomb Raider yeah and I

82:34 don't even mean Tomb Raider and the old Tomb Raider I mean Tomb Raider 2013

82:38 edition and Tomb Raider 2013 edition that's the problem I I will be so I will

82:43 I will pray to the gods of gaming if

82:47 freaking Elder Scroll 6 comes with tress effects 2.0 because grass and fur

82:55 random in an Elder Scrolls game Tres effect style would be amazing mods can

82:59 already make it really cool but adding Tres effects to that and then allowing

83:02 people to mod it like holy crap imagine

83:06 imagine the grass mods that some people have been doing to Skyrim but with trust

83:10 effects that would kill any system you have for

83:14 one but for two would look amazing

83:18 likeus what's cool about mantle too though is we could be looking at a

83:21 completely different way of interacting with multi-GPU system

83:25 so you could kind of go yeah no this is my tressfx card and this is my this and

83:29 this is my that and you throw like three different gpus in your system and I mean

83:32 we're talking later on down the future but we're just talking about the way

83:35 that AMD is approaching allowing game developers to spread out resources and

83:40 leverage them the way that they want to oh it's an exciting world we haven't

83:43 even talked enough about cavar we're going to have to talk about it next week

83:47 I mean heterogeneous system architecture is going to be such a big deal allowing

83:50 the CPU and the GPU to access the memory resources they need and share

83:55 one thing that I'm super sorry to cut off a little bit one thing I'm super stoked with AMD about lately is how they

84:00 developed this awesome thing yeah like effect and like HSA and just go like

84:05 yeah sure open with HSA someone else

84:09 deal with it we'll just develop it and it's just like I mean is this a return

84:12 to the Athlon 64 days where they said look here's our 64-bit extension and

84:18 Intel go ahead well we'll license it to you obviously Intel but but basically we

84:23 want this to be a standard we worked really hard on this we'd like for people

84:27 to use it I hope they do because it could be

84:31 awesome someone just said in the chat there's already trust effect Style mods

84:35 for Skyrim but one thing that he also brought up which is very important is it

84:38 doesn't support like Collision detection and stuff right which is like a really

84:42 big deal yeah so so you know what I think we have to cut off the show now

84:46 even though we honestly had probably a dozen more topics that we would love to

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85:49 peace out guys thanks for watching are you doing an after party I am doing an Afterparty I'll cover Bill logs of the

85:53 week there sorry we didn't have time um

85:56 and I will try and cover some of the other random topics that we didn't cover

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86:58 been I've been working with you guys for a long time I know like I've been

87:02 working with him over a year now isn't that crazy I've been working with you

87:05 over two years like are we

87:11 friends is the name of our company bad

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