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very sorry for being late we do sincerely apologize we hope that you're

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at least a little bit impressed that we managed to bring the show to you at all

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today so Guys Without further Ado

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welcome to the W show our topics today

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oh first of all our special guest is Wendell from Tech Syndicate by popular

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demand we're actually going to be bringing him on pretty much right away because we're starting late and we're

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going to have a ton of discussion about AMD's event that just ran this week

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there's lots of new stuff about mantle

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amds upcoming cavar apus in January at

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as well as I mean just cool St software stuff like Tres FX 2.0 which is

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apparently going to do more than make a ponytail waggle back and forth

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realistically most of the time uh We've also got lots of console stuff to talk

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about so one of them of the many console

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actually got a PS4 today so we are definitely going to be doing some

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highspeed footage comparing the latency of Shield to the latency of PS4's V I

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used Fe without further Ado here's the intro

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out who you are they probably can but it also allows you to circumvent

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in countries where they're not allowed to be used so it's

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uh yeah I mean I just said everything it does

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right essentially all right so without further Ado guys let's launch into our

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first topic before we have Wendell join us so Kev

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is AMD's upcoming Apu architecture so

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it's going to be changing over from the previous generation cores to I believe

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oh bollocks what's the new one called is it Steamroller

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or no I think it's steam so they're going to be changing over to Steamroller

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cores which is going to amount to essentially improved performance and

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single-threaded applications which let's face it guys AMD has been due to deliver

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us for a while here we've been looking

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at pretty much for a from a per clock

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basis um not a whole lot of improvement

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adding more cores and they've done things like increasing clock speeds but

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the actual IPC hasn't changed a whole lot so we're going to see a dramatic

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multi-threaded performance so this is going to be augmented by certain

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software things that are going to be changing over the next little a while particularly for gamers with mantle but

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cavar is going to improve single-threaded performance multi-threaded performance and

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dramatically improve GPU performance so this was a tweet from Ryan Shrout who

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I've actually arranged to join us next week I don't know if you knew this yet cool so Ryan's going to be joining us

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next week he was at the event we unfortunately weren't able to attend but

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this tweet he says just saw AMD cavar

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settings beating the Intel 4770k and

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gForce gt630 GPU impressive especially

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impressive when you consider that that cavar CPU Apu GPU whatever you want to

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call it that Cav Apu is probably going to be significantly less expensive than

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that other solution now I suspect that AMD was picking and choosing the

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comparison a little carefully there because the 4770k costs $100 more than a

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4670k and doesn't tangibly improve the gaming performance in most games whereas

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spending that extra $100 on a GPU but is

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kind of thing Battlefield 4 maybe but in Battlefield 4 but I think we can still

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agree that spending another $100 on a GP made a bigger difference blah blah blah

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a bigger difference we actually just did some testing recently that maybe you'd

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like to talk about a little bit so we normally don't review low-end stuff and

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we normally don't review stuff that um that we think is stupid because what's

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recently just to kind of you know fly in the face of everyone saying how we're

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we're this and we're that and we don't do these things I decided to do it we

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grabbed an r7240 graphics card which is an $80 card very value oriented or is it

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no no really that's all you're going to say about it if you if you put down the

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rebate and actually do it unlike many people happen to do and decide to get a

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the rebate it's basically the same price and is incredibly better and if you

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way way better so basically lanus wanted

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to torture me and have me test a r7240 which was torture yeah what was

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benchmarking like at 9 frames per second I'm just curious I I had to run the Far

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Cry Benchmark way more than I normally run it because if if you guys have seen

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the Far Cry benchmarking video you know I go around that Loop and I kind of bend

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around the corners and try and get up and hit those barrels and whatever and I have to be hitting the barrels and I try

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to dodge guys that's and Rockets I have to dodge Rockets Dodge all the Rockets

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if I get hit by a rocket I have to restart because it changes the frame rate too much so I was constantly

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getting hit by Rockets cuz I couldn't Dodge them cuz I can't move properly and

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something and it would stop the car and I just be like okay I have to start

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again so basically guys what we're trying to say here is if you really want

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a value optimized Graphics solution

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check out apus we actually have a build guide that we're going to be working on

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very very soon we're going to be bringing that to you guys where we're going to do kind of like a $500 to $600

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Apu system so it's going to be optimized for using opencl to accelerate certain

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workloads such as uh Adobe Photoshop some of the filters you can apply are

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opencl accelerated it'll also be focused on the upgradeability of an APU so you

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can have entry-level gaming today then you can pop a $150 $100 graphics card in

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it and you can have a truly excellent gaming experience that's as good or

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consider the additional functionality so I am an advocate of Apu I'm an advocate

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of graphics cards that are about $100 and up but that low-end graphics card

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r7240 they just they they came up their

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number was up so I mean there's other AMD solutions that we like so I would

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the the thing is upgrade your entire system if you have $80 to spend grab a

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cheap Apu and a motherboard and that's

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that's and sell your old stuff get a couple bucks there maybe you can get 20

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grab you know a little bit of RAM or you can get 4 gig RAM kits I think for like

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25 bucks these days I was looking at uh at them online the other day oh okay cuz

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demand why hello there sir you might not be able to hear me yet but you might be

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things hopefully he's there yes you left

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don't know what's going to work and what's not hey man how are

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asking yeah so uh oh oh what whoa people are

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saying they can't hear Wendell okay okay give us just a moment here we got to

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here ah it's like uh you know the NSA

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to happen so they like you know hacked

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our stream PC or oh my God something

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stop conspiracy theories abound here so

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they they don't want this stream to happen so they came into our house with

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uh you know oh actually Wendell can you talk for a minute let's see if they can hear you now o to spot Felix is your

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taxonomic nomenclature okay I all right welcome to

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the show man now we've only met in person once before but uh I think we had

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a fair bit of fun going to that restaurant that Logan couldn't eat

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uh that was kind of fun that that that was kind of fun so why don't you just

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take a brief moment and introduce yourself to those few of our viewers who

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don't already know who you are I'm uh hey guys I'm wendle I'm un

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loan from Tech Syndicate and uh I sort of take care of the Forum a little bit

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over there and some of the technical things and I do a little bit of

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everything so um I sort of I'm I'm sort

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of the nerd that nerds out with Logan I guess yes all right so speaking of nerding out

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why don't we just go ahead and jump right into our first guest topic here

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which is a little bit out of order but uh this this was a post on Intel's

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Facebook not that long ago I'm just going to go ahead and show all the nice

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folks watching this thing so Intel says and So speaking of nering

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out right into the smart refrigerator

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concept we're developing a little bit will know what food is stored a

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possible recipes so they've got crap on here that's like recipe

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match you a little recipe this is a very first world problem having so much

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variety and the food that we can choose to eat that we need a computer to tell

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us what to eat and when and how but tell

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me about this concept and how Intel might not have been the first one to

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think of this oh well I think what

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you're talking about is um in college I built something similar um but it was uh

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it was a little different okay so the Intel thing is they've got the fridge

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and you know the fridge knows what's inside it and blah blah blah I didn't really do

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that well why don't you tell us what you what you did have running because it

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sounded pretty cool when you were telling me about it I've got um so what

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I did was you know it's it's very much foul Bachelor Frog if you can imagine

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foul Bachelor Frog so a lot of frozen dinners were sort of you know in my

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future but I had a a barcode scanner hooked up to a microwave oven and so I

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could take something out of the freezer and scan it with the barcode scanner and

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put it in the oven but you know a frozen dinner in a microwave oven that never

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comes out well so I got one of the fancy ovens with the turntable and so it's

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like you know running high for 5 minutes and then sleep for two minutes and then spin it the other way for a minute and a

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half I got kind of fancy with the programs for the programmable microwave

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so that was kind of fun but you know fresh vegetables there's no barcode so

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it didn't work so basically what you had what you

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had managed to build was something that would have terrible implications for the

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the health of anyone that uh that that

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that used it because no one would ever eat vegetables anymore only things with

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barcodes yeah you would have to you would have to prepare your meals ahead

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of time I guess for like the the way that that but it was you know a minimum of effort I mean how cool is that you

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can just pop open the fridge scan it put it in a thing and then when it beeps

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it's done it's actually pretty freaking cool and like yeah it would be pretty

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funny if you got like a homemade barcode creator thing M just like individually

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barcoded all of your different vegetables well I even actually like I

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like I thought of that because one of the things that I wanted to do as an inventory system here I talked to you

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about this very briefly because we get a lot of like random graphics cards and

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stuff arriving some of it has to go back some of it doesn't have to go back it's

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hard to keep track of what anything is or how much it's worth or what we're

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supposed to do with it so I I was like okay well we should just have like a

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tablet with a barcode scanner like at the door and then when stuff arrives we

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could just scan it into inventory put in an approximate value from the invoice

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and then at least we can we can track things but uh this Intel thing looks

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much more sophisticated and I think there's a few there's a few different

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ways that this could improve our lives so number one that comes to mind

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immediately of course is the recipe match number two is replenishment so

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with Amazon rolling out things like grocery delivery you could just

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basically have you know it could be like Google Now not only tracks when you need

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to go to work and how to get there and how long it's going to take but tracks

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what you might be in the mood to eat based on your you know circadian rhythms

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or whatever the season and you know hey it's October would you like some pumpkin

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pie and uh you know it'll just order from Amazon what you might like to eat

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you can obviously manually override it if you want and then it just shows up

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you put it in your fridge your fridge tells you what to cook I mean are we going to get to the point where we don't

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even have to think anymore it it would probably work pretty

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well from a nutrition and and diet management point because um I knew

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somebody that lived in Seattle when they had the home grocery delivery service

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and that was amazing like that was like I stayed with them uh for a month or so

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while I was out there and it was the most incredible thing ever I mean you

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get weekly fresh groceries fresh vegetables all delivered right to your

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door and it's like wow if you combine that with you know Nutrition management

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and something else and it's all handled by an application you don't have to think

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anymore which you know what I mean we when we say that it sounds like kind of

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a dirty word you know you don't have to think anymore like I've ized lukee here

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for not being able to find his way to work after working there for well over 6

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months because but I bust there the whole time sometimes because I barely

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ever drove you were driving for a while and you still didn't know how to get

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there like four times whatever so what he there's like four turns okay so what

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he would do is he would just key it into Google Maps and then he would follow it

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and then he wouldn't think and in this like I kind of would tease him i' go

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well you know traffic roading it would give me a different route every time based on traffic so old guys like me had

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to listen to the radio and had to actually know how to get places whereas

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I had a conversation with someone who disagreed with me very strongly that at

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some point kids aren't even going to know how to drive or how to get anywhere

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because it'll always be done for them but nutrition is something where I

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really don't think there's anything wrong it's like phone numbers it's like

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what is the benefit of storing phone numbers in your head other than 911 I

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don't think we really need phone dies or something yeah or if your phone dies or

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something but even then I have like two or three that if I'm ever in trouble it

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would be fine I don't need to know all of them but nutrition is something that is so essential and is so complicated

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that people and people don't really understand like you would be able to do

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things like your smart fridge could detect on Facebook that you said you're

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going to have a baby and all of a sudden it could take papaya out of your regular

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shipments because pregnant women shouldn't eat papaya which is a totally unintuitive thing how cool is

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that I like that a lot I mean the smart applications I think there's there's a

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lot to the Future in that I knew one of the that worked on the the residential

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version of the turbo chef and that it's it's been out for many years now

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probably four or five years but there's an app that's built into the home turbo

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Chef this is like a $5,000 home oven but it can cook things immediately and it

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makes it really easy to cook things like chicken and Duck and lamb and things

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like that without having to do a lot of preparation with fresh ingredients and I

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I could see sort of the the technology there with this oven combined with

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something like this fridge I mean it's it's a really interesting technology and

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you end up you know sort of having a better life experience cuz you know you're doing good home cooking and

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things like that it will improve the quality of life and you know what I

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don't mind cooking I find one of the most crappy things about homecooked

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meals is coming up with what you want to eat and then shopping for it and then

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all of a sudden we've taken the the the tediousness tedium I guess would be the

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correct word out of that and all you have to do is prepare food which really

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isn't even that timec consuming and is so much less expensive and so much

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better for you it would just be automatic Improvement for me because I

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just go to Costco I'm going live by myself I just go to Costco and buy like

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little troughs of chicken breast and then just like something like a huge

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thing of Roma lettuce and I'm like okay I'm eating chicken and lettuce chicken

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and salad for like a week and a half at least you could even uh mix it up and

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have a chicken salad oh exactly that's basically where the end of my creativity

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is cuz I'm like I'm going to save money and that's the only thing that I really end

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at I mean the other thing many people don't understand very well and it's not

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a criticism of them it's just it's kind of complicated is how long food is good

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for so when you add the food when you start having you know uh codes or chips

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inside the packaging or whatever else the case may be that the smart fridge can be aware of you put some beef in

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there and your smart fridge can send you a text message be like yo you haven't

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cooked this yet you've got probably about 6 hours to pop it in the freezer

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before that's just not going to be good for anything anymore we could be looking

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at a lot of health benefits from a food spoiling perspective as well which I

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think is as cool you know I think um

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when the iPad first came out about 6 months or a year after um apps

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Epicurious and I think apps like Epicurious which is like sort of an interactive recipe program I think those

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were some of the top sellers in the app store because people were using them in the kitchen so it was a sort of totally

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unexpected Serendipity from sort of having ubiquitous easy tablet

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Computing it's actually one of the first apps I got for my smartphone when I got

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it was I don't remember if it was actually Epicurious but it was one of

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the ones that is like oh I have all of these different things what can I have

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for dinner tonight y because it actually helped like I I knew what I could make

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with that but I would take this app and it would spit out something that I

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wouldn't have thought of or that I didn't even know what it was and it was just a different way of making it it was

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really interesting to discover a few recipes that way so let's have some

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discussion about AMD which is going to be um you know an uncommon theme on

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today's show uh which is of course total BS so

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let's talk mantle here I just want to go through some tweets for the audience

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real quick here so that they're kind of up to speed so these are some tweets from James prior who I actually I

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actually know he's uh he's in charge of Apu marketing right now he seems like a

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pretty good guy I've had a couple calls with him so here are some tweets from

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Ryan trout again Who Will Be Our Guest next week in James prior so Ryan says

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you know this could completely change the landscape for multicore which has

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been a sore spot for Gamers game

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developers uh CPU makers who can't scale

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frequency anymore they need dis scale course to keep the actual power

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consumption and heat output of these chips down and yet gaming which really

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has driven performance in some ways particularly on the consumer desktop for

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a long time it's it's it's just not able to leverage the stuff so so Ryan

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basically goes okay yeah this is going to completely change the game because

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all of a sudden an fx8350 is just as fast as a core i 74770 k that is a head

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explosion moment because a 4770k is a lot faster than an fx8 350 in gaming

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right now James also says with mantle

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they underclocked an fx8350 to 2 GHz so we're talking about a

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frequency that is about 60% of what that can actually run at and the game was

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still GPU bound on an R9 290x there was

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no loss in frame rate so CPU performance and the funny thing about this is AMD is

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also sort of a CPU company is is is is

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moving towards irrelevance I mean I guess it's great because AMD is also a

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GPU company it's funny how many people talked about how the ATI acquisition was

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going to sync AMD and AMD was like no no it's our future trust us well I'm just

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glad they lasted long enough to to show us what's going on now so there's a

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couple other things um a frame with mantle has a lot of unused CPU time

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there's not a driver hole at all that's awesome and then this is a comment from

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oxide who's developing a an engine that

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is going to be more geared towards RTS

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where they're saying they can make RTS games GPU Bound for the first time in

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pretty much forever and they've only had a few months so they basically haven't

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had time to optimize it but they figure it's about two man months worth of

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development time to get mantle into game

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so why don't we let wend why don't you give us your thoughts on this whole

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mantle and multi-threaded Computing optimization thing that's finally

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happening okay so I looked at the I looked at the presentation I haven't had

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a time to go through it really in depth because you know at the outset it seems

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like they're trying to get blood from a turnup because things have really been

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well optimized in these games for a long time and so it's like architecturally

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what are they doing different I don't understand well in the AMD mantle video

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at 1639 they explain it and it starts to make sense um one of the major things

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that they do is sort of take out well direct X isn't part of the equation but

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you know is direct X really that terrible well part of the problem is

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that direct X is a little bit monolithic and you know when you're adding shaders

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and things like that it goes through a bottleneck where all the all those things that are happening in parallel

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have to be synchronized but with the mantle architecture at 1639 in that

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video it's showing that they're um sort of developing independent cues that can

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live and exist in different memory space and on different cores on the GPU and so

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it becomes much less CPU bound at that point and everything can run in parallel

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and that sounds really

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promising so instead of I mean so to so to give the viewers some context in the

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early days when we were first getting dual core processors and we were all

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really excited about it it was kind of like oh well now we can run like the

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in-game AI on One processor and then we can use the other one just to power the

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graphic experience and then what we realized when we started getting three

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core and four core and six core processors is that okay so now we've got

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like AI here and physics here or on the

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GPU depending on if you ask AMD or NVIDIA about that and then we've also

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got the actual gaming experience here so so the without the ability to

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parallelize the actual GPU r the actual

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rendering of the scene we were stuck for a really long time and it looks like

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Mantle's just according to AMD's claims going to just flat out fix that now

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they're finally talking numbers although we had heard rumors earlier that of of

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around these numbers but they're talking about 20 to 50% performance improvements

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on cards that are a couple years old with AMD mantle enabled games how

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exciting is that from a consumer standpoint I I think that it's going to

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sort of open up a whole new world it makes sense with their Str because you

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know the Apu has clearly gotten a lot more attention from AMD you know R&D and

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stuff like that and it's really kind of disappointing on the desktop processor

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side of the world because it's like hey you know what there's still room to innovate on the desktop side I mean

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let's work on power consumption or something but when you look at it this

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way it's like ah architecturally you know they may be on to something here

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because this is this means they're going to be able to do more with less and

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that's where they're going to cut their power and that's where they're going to they're going to get their

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efficiency absolutely I mean one thing there were rumors circulating for a

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while about a six core yeah and that's

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that's exactly that tweet about downclocking the chip to 2 GHz is like

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okay how much power consumption does an 8350 at 2 GHz have I mean we don't know

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I don't think anyone ever tried it because it just didn't perform well enough to try to run it at such a low

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frequency and do anything with it but that's uh that that's absolutely

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gamechanging I mean to put this in perspective for the viewers again we're

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talking 20 to 50% performance Improvement puts a an R

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9270 which is about a $179.99 graphics card so mainstream

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performance puts that in the same performance weight class as an

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r9280x which is a $300 plus do graphics

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card and not that long ago was a $400 $500 graphics card last gen that is that

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is absolutely gamechanging and what can NVIDIA do to address

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this well you know this is an open platform and so NVIDIA can sort of adopt

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the model here I think you know I don't have any real I don't have any friends

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that are like really really inside the game sector I know some people that

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develop indie games and they always complain about how terrible DirectX is

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but how the problem with openg GL is that it's not like it's standardized

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across platforms but it's not the same across platforms and so something that

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might work great in one situation doesn't work at all in another situation

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at least you don't have that with direct X mantle is an opportunity for AMD to

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bring that to not just the the Windows platform but probably also Mac and Linux

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and I'm really hoping that the Linux thing takes off me too I mean I don't

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know if you saw this but did you see Microsoft sort of hey we're we're sorry

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about the whole PC gaming thing and how we completely crap the bed on that uh

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we're going to we're going to we're going to support it better we're going to start by eliminating games for

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Windows Live which I think was met by uproarious you know horay and all of

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that kind of stuff but is it just too little too late I mean they had

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opportunity really for the last 5 years

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to get their crap together you know what give the PC your Halo game come on you

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guys is it is it too late yeah I mean I

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think the biggest problem with DirectX is the way that the shaders are handled

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that's Apparently one of the big bottlenecks and the one of the things about the sort of Q's implementation I

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guess is what they call it in the video is that it lets those things sort of

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live on their own so right now if you think of it the GPU you're giving a

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whole attas to the GPU that are well suited for the GPU and you have you know

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like Soldier Ai and things like that running on the CPU and then at the

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middle of this mess is direct X and direct X is trying to synchronize all

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those things and you know with mantle it's like hey we can do this this way

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and this that way and you can yeah ex it's it's it makes a lot of sense and it

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puts stuff in the hands of the developers but it makes sense that the

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hardware people are providing it and so if Microsoft plays nice and provides a

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low enough level Hardware interface that they don't don't have to like hack the

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Windows kernel that's what Microsoft needs to do because their expertise is

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not here they need to step aside and let the experts do what they need to do and

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give them what they need at an operating system level and that's the best thing they could do for this and at the same

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time I I actually don't necessarily think it's too little too late because

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of what Wendell just said and because even though Linux is being much more

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openly adopted now it's still that scary word I love Linux but a lot of people

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are just scared of it don't want to try it and the second they sit down in front

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of them even though it's not sitting in command console at first or terminal um

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yeah I totally don't see this going to desktop Linux right away I think it'll

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be on the steam box or something like that and then it'll sort of leak from

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the steam box onto Linux desktop I don't think it'll be there overnight but

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that's exactly it I don't think it'll be overnight either but this is I mean this

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is what I see happening what I see happening is this opening the door now

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okay to be clear when mantle was first talked about this is again this is more

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for the viewers benefit it wasn't very clear what what exactly it was AMD gave

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some details but they were I think they were waiting for this event to really

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talk about it and so there was there were a lot of rumors it was open to

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NVIDIA it wasn't open to NVIDIA it was running on the PlayStation 4 it was

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running on Xbox oh no it was it's not running on those and it really wasn't

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clear it'll work on Linux or you know I think that one's been pretty clear from

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the start but what we're finding out now and this was again revealed at the event

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where Johan Anderson who is Li D lies

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dice's lead uh like dice's lead technical I think was future whatever

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something he has a complicated title but basically he's leading future

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development for the frostbite engine Series where he basically said okay yeah

432
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:18,039
it's not the same but the mantle code for Battlefield 4 looks a lot closer to

433
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:22,360
the PS4 code than it looks to the direct X code so if a game developer I mean one

434
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:28,120
of the things we've talked about on the show before is that guys like indie game

435
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:31,320
devs if they were going to pick one then

436
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:33,519
might pick direct X but all of a sudden

437
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:38,600
that could change if a lot of indie game devs are developing for console first

438
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:41,919
right so if they could do it relatively easily this could be a total Game

439
00:30:40,519 --> 00:30:48,519
Changer and then they could add support for Linux they could add support for Windows and all of a sudden I mean Indie

440
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:49,919
guys love Linux yeah well they they love

441
00:30:48,519 --> 00:30:54,960
adopting it because then you get that huge hord of people that will support you yes and they're very outspoken and

442
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:59,720
we'll talk about it a lot and your game gets a lot of traction another thing that I noticed though was the uh I don't

443
00:30:58,559 --> 00:31:04,519
remember their name but those guys making the engine um oxide oxide we're

444
00:31:02,639 --> 00:31:09,840
saying that it takes about they said it takes almost not a lot of work two

445
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:14,480
months of man hours yeah so if you have even two devs you could do it in a month

446
00:31:12,639 --> 00:31:18,720
and you can do it like how like how dice is doing it I have no problem with that

447
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:23,600
release the game and then follow up with mantle support sure especially for a

448
00:31:21,919 --> 00:31:25,799
game that's a multiplayer oriented game where we're not talking a single player

449
00:31:24,919 --> 00:31:30,159
campaign that you're going to play through in a week and then you're going to put the game on the Shelf

450
00:31:28,559 --> 00:31:36,159
I mean not I mean do people still buy physical games I mean put it away in your steam Library

451
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:41,360
um as long as it's not something like that then yeah I have no problem with

452
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:45,600
that as long as mantle is well supported

453
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:47,679
not only crossplatform but also um cross

454
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:50,600
device and that's where you know NVIDIA is going to be at a disadvantage

455
00:31:49,039 --> 00:31:54,440
implementing this and I hope that that doesn't impede its adoption but at the

456
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:58,440
same time you know you got to look at Microsoft Microsoft does have a console

457
00:31:56,519 --> 00:32:02,279
and they do have a desktop and and you know if you think back to the Xbox one

458
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:05,919
that was just a PC it seems like they could have learned these lessons like 10

459
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:13,399
years ago and Incorporated it into the Windows OS and one wonders why they

460
00:32:09,399 --> 00:32:15,399
didn't I I mean this is uh this is this

461
00:32:13,399 --> 00:32:21,399
is a very this is a very confusing thing to me and I mean my my whole my Outburst

462
00:32:17,679 --> 00:32:24,039
about Halo um is is sort of a microcosm

463
00:32:21,399 --> 00:32:28,840
of that I think where Microsoft had this opportunity to be everything to everyone

464
00:32:26,679 --> 00:32:34,080
for gaming they they really did I mean when PCS got

465
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:37,200
more powerful why didn't Microsoft just

466
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:39,519
give us an Xbox first gen emulator and

467
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:43,880
let us buy Xbox games and run them on our

468
00:32:40,279 --> 00:32:46,039
PCS really guys why not you could have

469
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:50,080
done it I thought that's where they were headed with the Xbox 360 and then all of

470
00:32:48,279 --> 00:32:53,639
a sudden they put you know power PC they put a Mac processor in the Xbox 360

471
00:32:52,159 --> 00:32:57,919
isn't that right isn't it a isn't it a power PC yeah it's an IBM power PC I

472
00:32:56,039 --> 00:33:02,120
think it's like a three core some weird thing and I and I saw that and I went

473
00:32:59,639 --> 00:33:06,840
what you guys were so close to just being dominant here who could have

474
00:33:04,559 --> 00:33:11,799
stopped you at that point and then and then if they owned the desktop and they

475
00:33:09,279 --> 00:33:17,039
owned the notebook and they owned the game console then how much more

476
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:22,880
compelling is something like their mobile platform if all of a sudden I can

477
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:25,039
get this back library and the the wiel

478
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:28,440
alliance can continue and Intel can get into Mobile because all of a sudden

479
00:33:26,559 --> 00:33:32,919
they're the ones powering the plat that Gamers and enthusiasts want to use

480
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:37,200
how how close were they to having that happen how myopic was their view that

481
00:33:35,159 --> 00:33:41,000
allowed this to occur what happened here well they are back to PC I guess now

482
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:44,240
again with the x86 architecture one wonders what that has like what they've

483
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:49,519
got up their sleeve for ex the uh DirectX infrastructure or what the

484
00:33:46,279 --> 00:33:52,120
developer kits look like on on Xbox

485
00:33:49,519 --> 00:33:55,120
one yeah yeah I mean there it's not like they're down for the count it's not like

486
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:59,080
they're out of money I think I saw something not that long ago that says

487
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:05,720
their their revenue from Android alone is something like 2 billion a year so so

488
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,720
they got they got plenty of money to fix

489
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:13,879
this all right so speaking of crossplatform this is something that for

490
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:19,639
me personally is really exciting and that is streaming from larger devices to

491
00:34:17,079 --> 00:34:24,720
smaller devices in the home now NVIDIA Shield is something that was met with I

492
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:28,359
think a very mixed reaction and I think that's being very generous people for

493
00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:32,079
the most part said oh it's too expensive and it's stupid why would I even want to

494
00:34:30,119 --> 00:34:35,720
play my games on this handheld thing when I could be sitting at my PC and I

495
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:39,879
think the problem is that NVIDIA's trying to approach the the the

496
00:34:37,879 --> 00:34:43,440
traditional PC Gamer with this and I think they haven't had much luck

497
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:47,599
communicating to console Gamers because there's for whatever reason that weird

498
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:52,639
divide between glorious PC gaming Master race and the the console peasants as the

499
00:34:49,879 --> 00:34:55,960
PC guys like to refer to them um you know we can all blame zero punctuation

500
00:34:54,399 --> 00:35:02,000
for this but PlayStation 4 is adding a feature

501
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:06,920
that Shield was first to Market with and NVIDIA calls it game stream where you

502
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:08,920
can stream from your PS4 to a PS Vita

503
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:12,640
and play PS4 games on the vaita with of course PlayStation 4 graphical Fidelity

504
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:17,280
what are your thoughts on this we actually saw it demo there was a video that came out I think it was today or

505
00:35:15,599 --> 00:35:22,320
yesterday that was showing that the latency is actually very

506
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:26,040
low it it's really interesting that this sort of technology I mean you look at

507
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:30,280
the latency of the transport mechanism you know wired versus Wireless

508
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:35,359
and I think with the with the PS4 didn't they mention that the 1080p streams have

509
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:42,839
to be wired um oh Oh you mean with the shield yeah yeah yes Shield has to use a

510
00:35:39,119 --> 00:35:44,920
wired USB 2 to gigabit Ethernet adapter

511
00:35:42,839 --> 00:35:48,880
so you can tell they need more than 100 megabit sustained but less than a full

512
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:55,640
gigabit because obviously it's going over USB 2 um in order to achieve 1080p

513
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:58,440
streaming okay so the way to think about this and this is just sort of back of

514
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:03,079
the envelope there's some different approaches here if you're going to

515
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:07,200
stream you can do it Progressive or you can do it uh block based if you're doing

516
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:11,280
sort of a progressive stream as soon as the data comes in you send it out again

517
00:36:09,319 --> 00:36:14,319
when you do that you can't really do any compression you can't compress that

518
00:36:13,240 --> 00:36:18,880
means you're going to have a lot of data you're going to need a really highspeed connection that's not good news for a

519
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:24,960
wireless connection because wireless connections can't handle as much data as a wired connection if you're going to

520
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:29,280
send it in chunks it becomes how fast you can encode each chunk of data so

521
00:36:27,079 --> 00:36:32,079
like let's say hypothetically you've got something running at 10 frames per

522
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:36,240
second well why 10 frames per second because it makes the math easy so 10

523
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:41,200
frames per second is about 100 milliseconds per frame and if your chunk

524
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:44,400
size is one frame it gets a frame in it has to convert it that takes 100

525
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:48,119
milliseconds you've added 100 milliseconds of latency so even if you

526
00:36:46,599 --> 00:36:53,240
have something that runs at 60 frames per second you're adding one 160th of

527
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:58,000
second a second of latency to encode that and and send it down the wire even

528
00:36:55,400 --> 00:37:01,280
if it can run at 60 frames a second so you need something absurdly fast if

529
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:06,400
you're going to compress it and do something with it that can you know if you only want to add 1 millisecond of

530
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:09,800
latency it has to run at a th000 frames per second it has to be able to process

531
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:13,359
a frame in a millisecond because that's the delay that it adds now to be clear

532
00:37:11,359 --> 00:37:18,560
for the viewers Wendell is not talking about FPS like frames per second in

533
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:22,560
terms of GPU processing he's talking about it in terms of encoding

534
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:26,040
performance so that is taking the larger image and compressing it and packing it

535
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:30,520
into something that is much less data intensive so the the way that we measure

536
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:34,359
that is also in frames per second so just just so that's clear for everyone

537
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:39,359
so sorry wend keep going no yeah no that's that's exactly right because um

538
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:43,280
you get into a situation where you just physically the thing physically can't

539
00:37:41,359 --> 00:37:47,839
keep up and you know people you know Pro Gamers say that they can feel you know 5

540
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:51,800
10 milliseconds I I don't think any human being can really feel the

541
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:55,920
difference much less than about 20 or 25 milliseconds but 20 25 milliseconds I

542
00:37:53,800 --> 00:38:01,160
mean you can get a lot of those time slots in a 1second period and so it

543
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:04,319
sounds like that the shield and the PS4 maybe are using different kinds of

544
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:08,760
technology and so I think it's going toi a different consumer experience very

545
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:13,000
interesting I mean we know that the reason NVIDIA is only allowing gam

546
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:18,640
stream on Kepler gpus with their Hardware based encoder is that they have

547
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:23,280
dedicated Hardware on the graphics card that is handling this in order to keep

548
00:38:20,359 --> 00:38:28,720
the latencies low enough so whatever Sony has done um probably isn't that so

549
00:38:27,119 --> 00:38:32,480
I think you're right it's very fair to say that they're using a completely

550
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:36,119
different implementation one other thing one other real problem I have with

551
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:41,839
Sony's implementation regardless of how they're doing the encoding is that the

552
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:44,920
PS4 only uses 2.4 GHz that is single

553
00:38:41,839 --> 00:38:47,920
band wireless n which means that as much

554
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:50,560
as this demo might work on you know in a

555
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:54,359
keynote or the demo might work in a reviewer's office where there's one

556
00:38:52,599 --> 00:38:58,119
other Wi-Fi network wait till someone turns a microwave on wait till someone

557
00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:01,160
turns a microwave on wait till someone yeah exactly you bring your you bring

558
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:03,920
your Vita into the kitchen to like you know microwave your pizza pop and you

559
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:09,520
want to play your game while you wait yeah good luck with that and then wait till someone in an apartment buys a PS4

560
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:13,760
and aita and there's 100 wireless hotspots within range this is just plain

561
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:17,480
old not going to work yeah it's the wireless situation is going to be really

562
00:39:15,319 --> 00:39:22,560
bad even if you even if everything is ideal if you have two devices going at

563
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:26,000
the same time all of unless your wireless access point is a really

564
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:30,319
high-end commercial access point that has multiple radios um almost all the

565
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:33,480
the access points out there have trouble sending and receiving multiple streams

566
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:37,280
that's why like the you know triple antenna receiver blah blah blah was sort

567
00:39:35,720 --> 00:39:41,359
of in Vogue a couple years ago and it's still around with like the Dual Band 2.4

568
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:45,720
and 5 GHz that kind of thing mitigates the problem but the 2.4 only even if you

569
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:49,560
get two devices they're going to be competing with one another and it's like

570
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:53,319
the hardware implementations of dealing with that competition is only just dirty

571
00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:58,000
dirty hacks and it doesn't really work and for something like streaming it's

572
00:39:54,960 --> 00:40:00,200
it's you can't even watch Netflix yep no

573
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:05,920
you're you're absolutely absolutely right I mean NVIDIA just plain old says

574
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:09,920
Nope you don't have you don't have a 5 GHz wireless connection so we're just

575
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:15,520
not even just you press it and it just says Nope uh they they just say look you

576
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:20,400
need this router deal with it whereas Sony I think by allowing quote unquote

577
00:40:18,319 --> 00:40:25,520
better compatibility is actually going to be hurting the enduser experience

578
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:30,319
yeah yeah they would have to have a com like a like a hardware h26 4 encoder or

579
00:40:28,359 --> 00:40:34,359
something in Hardware that can run at like 100 150 frames per second just to

580
00:40:32,599 --> 00:40:40,400
make that come out and that's probably not an inexpensive piece of

581
00:40:36,839 --> 00:40:42,920
Hardware yeah so I mean you know some

582
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:46,560
thought some thoughts there now okay what what we also did just for just for

583
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:49,319
fun is we did a bit of a cost Showdown here so maybe I'll let you talk about

584
00:40:47,839 --> 00:40:53,359
this loot because you worked on it okay so we compared a few things so PS Vita I

585
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:56,839
looked I looked on new eggs so we had more rounded out numbers so this assumes

586
00:40:55,200 --> 00:41:03,079
you don't own aita cuz as far as I've never actually seen one in someone's

587
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:05,599
hands so there uh PS feed is about 200

588
00:41:03,079 --> 00:41:08,359
bucks and a shield is about 300 bucks on their own so if you got that but then

589
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:14,599
you need the other Hardware to run them so I looked into it and said Okay a PS4

590
00:41:11,079 --> 00:41:16,880
is about $3.99 so with a PS v it's about

591
00:41:14,599 --> 00:41:20,400
$5.99 as a combo because I looked around and didn't see any combos for that but

592
00:41:18,839 --> 00:41:25,200
and we may see bundles we may see bundles so bundles will change the

593
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:28,359
landscape somewhat so okay go ahead um

594
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:30,119
and then Shield is about 2 99 as we know

595
00:41:28,359 --> 00:41:35,920
but if you buy it with a graphics card so let's say a 770 you can get a GTX 770

596
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:40,560
a shield um Batman Arham

597
00:41:38,359 --> 00:41:45,040
Origins why am I forget spinter Cell Blacklist and Assassin's Creed 4 Black

598
00:41:42,599 --> 00:41:51,040
Flag so you're getting three games all for 549 and if you wanted to buy so

599
00:41:48,319 --> 00:41:56,480
that's that's $5.99 for a PS4 and a Vita or 549 for 770 a shield three games and

600
00:41:55,160 --> 00:42:01,839
if you wanted those three games with the PlayStation it would would be around

601
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:06,240
$750 so that's pretty compelling looking expensive PC gaming is starting to look

602
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:11,520
like it makes a whole lot of sense and if we see NVIDIA support something like

603
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:17,520
mantle I mean NVIDIA's future even more than we saw already maybe in Solutions

604
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:21,640
and their mobile processors even more than we already knew because if they go

605
00:42:19,240 --> 00:42:26,920
and support mantle with this we could be looking at a situation where you can

606
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:30,079
take a crap CPU your old machine you can

607
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:31,720
buy a graphics card you can get a shield

608
00:42:30,079 --> 00:42:36,359
or some other mobile platform from NVIDIA that supports this

609
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:40,119
technology and have a great gaming experience that's really competitive

610
00:42:38,359 --> 00:42:44,000
with the price and performance of a console and just makes well actually

611
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:47,880
makes console's performance just look stupid can I get a shout out to the PC

612
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:52,160
Master race I know right well the just the

613
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:55,440
thing of it is I've been using Shield pretty extensively lately I don't find

614
00:42:53,800 --> 00:43:00,960
much time to game I don't find much time when I'm sitting at my computer I'm usually uploading videos or something or

615
00:42:58,839 --> 00:43:05,000
like researching topics for the W show it's hard for me to be at my computer

616
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:08,960
and just play a game whereas I got an Invidia shield and I've actually almost

617
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:13,040
finished Batman Arkham City in the last couple weeks I'm actually find because I

618
00:43:10,599 --> 00:43:18,680
can I can play with it in bed it works am amazingly well you need a beast

619
00:43:15,720 --> 00:43:24,640
router you really do even my EA 4200 just choked on it I needed to get an

620
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:26,839
ASUS rtn 66u which is like super two

621
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:31,520
thumbs up for that router um but it is an amazing experience and people need to

622
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:36,760
need to get it like uh we had a we have a new camera guy that just started he's

623
00:43:33,319 --> 00:43:38,599
an intern and he was he was filming uh I

624
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:43,520
was talking about these Bluetooth MGA power controllers that um give your your

625
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:49,760
your battery life a bit of a boost on your phone and they clip to your phone so you can play Android games and it's

626
00:43:46,839 --> 00:43:52,319
like $80 for the high-end one and I and I showed him a shield he's like what's

627
00:43:51,079 --> 00:43:56,119
that thing I'm like oh well it's like got a genuinely console grade controller

628
00:43:54,440 --> 00:44:01,040
it plays your Android games and you can stream games from your computer and play

629
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:02,800
them on here and he's like w Really

630
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:06,319
NVIDIA is just so terrible at marketing to mainstream they just have no idea

631
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:12,400
that this exists I think that um when the steam

632
00:44:09,839 --> 00:44:15,720
box takes off you're going to see a lot more peripherals like that and I think

633
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:19,599
that it's going to get a lot more it's it's going to get a lot more visibility

634
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:23,559
but the the the problem I guess that probably steam has right now is that

635
00:44:22,119 --> 00:44:26,680
you've got NVIDIA that has a lot of these really cool Innovative things but

636
00:44:25,240 --> 00:44:30,800
they're kind of expensive which is not good for an appliance from an appliance

637
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:35,440
standpoint and you have AMD who's sort of bringing the rain with very

638
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:39,000
inexpensive Hardware on both CPU and GPU side that can really bring it home which

639
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:44,280
is going to be much better suited for a console like PC

640
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:46,640
Appliance yep that's very very true so

641
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:50,359
you know whether I mean okay so NVIDIA's benef so if we're going to go pros and

642
00:44:48,119 --> 00:44:55,160
cons list NVIDIA is going to have gam stream and then AMD by by proxy so

643
00:44:52,839 --> 00:44:59,440
through Steam OS is going to have the console mode of game stream which he

644
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:02,960
also supports if you get a weird adapter and whatever whatever whatever so it's

645
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:07,319
going to be basically do I want to pay more to have the mobile experience on

646
00:45:05,079 --> 00:45:12,359
top of the couch experience or do I want the value optimized solution that spanks

647
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:16,440
the consoles in terms of performance and you know in terms of having all these

648
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:21,640
Indie Games in this huge game library but doesn't support mobile at the same

649
00:45:19,079 --> 00:45:25,640
time someone could make an open platform style of a shield so a really really

650
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:30,559
similar product that's still running Android but then isn't down to a GPU but

651
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:34,800
then NVIDIA's strength a lot of the time is in their proprietariness For Better

652
00:45:32,720 --> 00:45:38,480
or For Worse it's the fact that I mean we were joking about this earlier as

653
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:41,440
much as this stream is going to be once Wendell leaves we have a bunch more AMD

654
00:45:40,079 --> 00:45:46,040
stuff where we're going to be like r r ra AMD um stuff like raptor is not

655
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:49,680
competitive with stuff like GeForce experience stuff like AMD's

656
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:53,440
implementation of stereoscopic 3D and we can talk all day about whether stereoscopic 3D matters or not and I

657
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:58,280
think we're going to all come to the same conclusion that no one cares um but

658
00:45:56,240 --> 00:46:02,359
it wasn't comp comptitive with 3D Vision NVIDIA is great at delivering a great

659
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:05,839
experience within their closed ecosystem but then open platforms can sometimes

660
00:46:04,359 --> 00:46:09,119
have that shining jewel in the dust there can usually there not usually

661
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:12,319
there can sometimes be the open platform that is better than proprietary platform

662
00:46:11,079 --> 00:46:17,960
and if you make something like that it is possible that some big group will step behind it like maybe Splashtop they

663
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:22,680
could maybe be the back end so there's a company behind it that could push it forward and it could still make it some

664
00:46:21,079 --> 00:46:25,839
of AMD stuff that's open platform is still very strong you know it's

665
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:31,760
interesting you mentioned Splashtop because um I the I have an iPad and on

666
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:38,359
the iPad I have Splashtop and I've experimented with it and on newer iPads

667
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:39,680
it is actually disturbingly fast but on

668
00:46:38,359 --> 00:46:45,400
when I'm on an access point that's only 2.4 GHz it is a completely different

669
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:46,920
experience than when it's on 5 GHz yeah

670
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:52,040
I mean I think we can sorry go ahead people would have to have the right Hardware implementations all around to

671
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:56,000
make it work and if Splashtop made some like very

672
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:59,640
optimized uh application sources for running games it could maybe be better

673
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:03,200
and they they could have it like in gaming mode or something so it works

674
00:47:01,359 --> 00:47:06,599
that way better something in the future but like for for an open platform to

675
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:11,800
work like that there would be need to be some big backer I mean I think the networking guys have to be licking their

676
00:47:09,599 --> 00:47:16,880
chops right now yeah because all this technology is going to rely on people to

677
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:22,280
finally go and upgrade their Wireless G routers because up until now web

678
00:47:18,839 --> 00:47:23,839
browsing why you know um there is a

679
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:28,480
wireless there is a piece of Wireless technology that I have I have actually been impressed with and it's it's

680
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:34,480
mundane but and I think you'll be surprised but it's the Dell Wireless

681
00:47:31,559 --> 00:47:38,960
dock for their latitudes it's like some sort of high frequency it's like 8 GHz

682
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:43,119
or something special and I'm used to you know a good docking solution but it's

683
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:46,880
got a range of like 6 feet it literally if it's more than 6 ft away from the

684
00:47:44,359 --> 00:47:51,400
dock it doesn't work but it can deliver you know the on the docking station I

685
00:47:48,559 --> 00:47:56,160
I've got three you know 1920 x 1200 uh monitor outputs and USB 3 and all these

686
00:47:54,680 --> 00:48:02,000
really high-speed peripherals and it sort of freaks me out that I don't have to plug the laptop into anything and

687
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:05,920
that's a nice technology that's pretty awesome actually I hav but the range is

688
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:09,920
terrible but the range is terrible you know what uh Samsung had something

689
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:13,480
similar with their Central Station um I don't think they were using high

690
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:17,880
frequency they were using a proprietary USB 3 of some sort I I'm I did a video

691
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:23,680
about it a long time ago I can't remember how it worked cuz it was prohibitively expensive but I it it was

692
00:48:21,319 --> 00:48:27,200
a very very similar concept where the idea was that you just brought your PC

693
00:48:25,720 --> 00:48:33,160
within range and and then it had a dongle that you had to plug into the PC

694
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:34,079
it was USB based because uh whereas Dell

695
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:37,520
I guess can just build this functionality into their laptops but

696
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:41,480
when you brought it in range you were able able to wirelessly transmit you

697
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:47,040
know all the signaling for your peripherals and uh an Ethernet and

698
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:50,599
display uh to from the laptop to the display where it would act as as a hub

699
00:48:48,599 --> 00:48:55,280
that you could plug everything into so this kind of stuff is very very much the

700
00:48:53,359 --> 00:48:59,280
future I'm excited about Wireless I've hated Wireless for a long time Wireless

701
00:48:57,240 --> 00:49:03,359
AC even actually addresses a lot of my issues with it have you have you played

702
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:09,000
around with AC much yeah at home I've got the um I've got a Cisco commercial

703
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:11,160
grade um Wireless AC access point and

704
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:15,599
cuz yeah I don't I don't want to fool around wow that's awesome what do one of

705
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:18,480
those run you um they're well if you get them retail they're about a th bucks but

706
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:23,040
if you know a guy you can get them for about 300 all

707
00:49:20,240 --> 00:49:27,720
right you've actually peaked my interest with that $300 price point

708
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:30,640
yeah yeah yeah well it turns out if you want to paint the neighborhood with the

709
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:35,839
signal that's what you need all righty then fascinating okay

710
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:40,480
well yeah know what I think that was pretty much it for the topics that we

711
00:49:37,319 --> 00:49:43,040
had lined up uh I would love for guys

712
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:48,119
let let Logan give give Logan a big thank you so uh I think it's Tech

713
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:52,480
Syndicate on Twitter for for allowing us to have some of Wendell's time you know

714
00:49:50,240 --> 00:49:56,319
I know that that you guys are an awesome tag team over there and we've had Logan

715
00:49:54,680 --> 00:50:00,920
on the show before it's been a total pleasure to have you you've been

716
00:49:57,720 --> 00:50:02,799
requested so much so I want to you know

717
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:05,920
thank you your team collectively both Logan and you for being generous enough

718
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:10,880
to lend us some of your time and some of your expertise this has been absolutely

719
00:50:07,839 --> 00:50:12,559
fantastic oh no problem anytime anytime

720
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:16,880
uh it's it's all good I'll I'll let him know that I'm being returned in slightly

721
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:21,880
used condition but it's okay we haven't abused you too much here have

722
00:50:18,799 --> 00:50:23,799
we no no it's all good twitch chat tell

723
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:26,960
Wendell he's great okay you know we don't we we don't want to beat him up

724
00:50:25,240 --> 00:50:29,720
over here yeah everyone says come back come back we can't live without you yeah

725
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:34,319
they they love you so thank you very much man remember guys you can watch

726
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:39,040
Wendell over on the tech Syndicate YouTube channel which is

727
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:42,520
youtube.com/ ra theor with that o being a zero which I've teased him about

728
00:50:40,839 --> 00:50:46,640
endlessly I was like dude what what were you thinking but now it's too late so

729
00:50:45,119 --> 00:50:50,520
there you go he's stuck with it so I'll talk to you soon man take care thanks

730
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:58,000
all right take care all right so let's move oh our

731
00:50:54,640 --> 00:51:00,319
sponsor break I remembered for a change

732
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:05,480
oh what do I do just close it close it got it all right sponsor breaks time so

733
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738
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been using Hotspot Shield I had to use it to order Google Glass in fact but um

739
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740
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yeah wait until it's yeah no no don't worry it's it's a done deal so because

741
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:45,640
Google Glass Explorer Edition is only available to us residents um what

742
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:50,559
happens is I had to get an invite which Marcus brownley was generous enough to

743
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:57,359
to get over to me then I had to use a VPN to even go to the link that was in

744
00:51:53,359 --> 00:51:59,880
my invite then I had to get Austin Evans

745
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746
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let me use his credit card okay cuz I had to have a us-based

747
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credit card then didn't know that part okay get this get this okay I had to

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have it shipped to my old ocz sales rep

749
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okay back from when I you worked at NC

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okay cuz I'm going to her wedding okay so I had to get it shipped there and

751
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then I'm going to go pick it up next week oh no so anyway Hotspot Shield

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kinds of crazy stuff you can do with vpns or you can just use it to get us

761
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Netflix which is I think what a lot of people do so guys one more time thanks

762
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765
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766
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:34,839
many of you might many of you do that I saw it posted about on the Forum or

767
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:39,079
something um so Squarespace isn't a sponsor today but I do actually want to

768
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:43,480
point out something so guys last week we announced that Squarespace was doing a

769
00:53:41,559 --> 00:53:47,599
design your own win your own website thing so all you got to do is sign up

770
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for the trial at squarespace.com and then submit it to me with #p what was

771
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the hashtag okay go back to last week's W show and check out the hashtag if you

772
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tweet it with that hashtag then you will have a chance I'm going to announce

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774
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handle all the hosting and all that so I just wanted to remind you guys about

775
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:12,160
that so let one thing before you start going when I was reading off the games

776
00:54:08,799 --> 00:54:15,640
whenever I read SC I Starcraft my brain

777
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:17,079
stops and will not go past St I was even

778
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:23,200
thinking it when I typed it I was thinking it when I typed it I was like I'm going to think of star and it's SCB

779
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:26,920
so it's like Starcraft yeah and then and then there's then there's Bao and I'm

780
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:32,839
like black something else what no okay so yeah

781
00:54:30,319 --> 00:54:36,680
sorry about that so lost I knew what they were too but I was just reading

782
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:41,720
those acronyms my head just completely froze yeah SC2 also Supreme Commander 2

783
00:54:39,839 --> 00:54:46,760
which I never got because I was always thinking Starcraft yeah man okay anyways

784
00:54:44,839 --> 00:54:50,200
so yeah so anyway we we're going to have Google Glass so that's a thing that's

785
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:54,280
going to be really cool I can't believe my new genen Kindle paper white arrived

786
00:54:52,119 --> 00:54:57,520
today remember how long ago I ordered that stupid thing a month and I was like

787
00:54:56,079 --> 00:55:01,520
yeah I want to do an unboxing while it's still

788
00:54:59,319 --> 00:55:04,640
relevant yeah it was like 6 weeks it's like ridiculous it's like thanks thanks

789
00:55:03,119 --> 00:55:07,880
for that Amazon they shipped they shipped the cover for it back when I

790
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:11,640
order I don't even know where it is anymore I haven't seen it in a long time

791
00:55:10,119 --> 00:55:16,720
me neither it's probably under a pile of things ridiculous anyway I love Amazon a

792
00:55:14,359 --> 00:55:22,920
lot but some things I don't love so let's just move on to our next topic

793
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:25,880
here which is ah yes more AMD news of

794
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:30,240
course AMD has updated the never settle forever progr a super confusing way in a

795
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:35,440
super confusing way because back when never settle came out it was like look

796
00:55:33,039 --> 00:55:40,039
this is great buy all the graphics cards get all the games you love it and we did

797
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:45,240
we did boy did we ever love it definitely oh we loved

798
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:47,039
it okay so now it is about the most

799
00:55:45,240 --> 00:55:50,839
confusing chart that I've ever seen in my life which you know I've seen a lot

800
00:55:49,079 --> 00:55:55,599
of confusing charts in my life oh wait before we keep going we should do a Twitter Blitz after this or something

801
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:59,000
yeah okay so guys Twitter Blitz something we did end up having time cuz

802
00:55:57,240 --> 00:56:01,599
Wendell was an amazing guest and we wanted to talk to him about all the

803
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:07,280
things so we didn't end up getting to do a Twitter Blitz with him but let's just

804
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:09,640
do like random Q&A hit us all

805
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:18,119
right so first of all there's this graphic which is like okay what so

806
00:56:13,720 --> 00:56:20,720
r9270 and up to R9 290x has Battlefield

807
00:56:18,119 --> 00:56:27,160
4 with a checkbox maybe maybe which is confusing because AMD is providing codes

808
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:29,640
to retailers maybe maybe depending on

809
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:36,520
the qu to qualifying retailers and the retailers will at their discretion

810
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:40,280
bundle this game with their cards maybe

811
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:43,480
maybe while supplies last maybe maybe so

812
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:44,920
basically unless you have verified that

813
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:51,760
the retailer you're buying from is providing that game with that card

814
00:56:48,039 --> 00:56:53,480
nothing is guaranteed okay then r7260x

815
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:58,079
so the only one out of the new generation cards to be added to never

816
00:56:55,960 --> 00:57:01,720
settle forever officially even though some retailers have been doing never

817
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:05,760
settle Forever on New Gen cards such as NC um which is why I got confused and

818
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:10,280
was saying that it was on it because NCIX was shipping them anyway so that

819
00:57:08,079 --> 00:57:15,319
has been added to the silver never settle forever which means you get two

820
00:57:12,359 --> 00:57:20,839
games okay so hold on a second it's not over yet folks so I I don't even know

821
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:22,640
what this is I'm using the stupid Metro

822
00:57:20,839 --> 00:57:27,039
uh Internet Explorer so I don't even I don't know what I'm doing right now so

823
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:31,280
let's go ahead and open this again oh this is a yeah it looks so Chrome like

824
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:36,760
now really annoying yeah I'm I'm I'm not happy okay

825
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:42,079
so there okay so there's that so then never settle forever has also been

826
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:45,359
altered okay so let's scroll down and let's open up this graph so this is from

827
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:49,160
videoc cards.com just so that we make sure we're we're crediting the source

828
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:52,240
because I didn't make these graphs mind you I don't think they necessarily made

829
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:57,960
all of them either all right so they have added Thief to never settle forever

830
00:57:55,319 --> 00:58:03,799
but only in the silver and gold tiers I mean talk about tier full not

831
00:58:00,599 --> 00:58:06,480
the 200 tier or whatever not the bronze

832
00:58:03,799 --> 00:58:11,079
tier so you can pick in the bronze tier one game out of the list of qualifying

833
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:14,520
games which is not BF so BF4 is only on r9200 series not available in never

834
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:17,839
settle forever doesn't include Tomb Raider doesn't include Thief okay but

835
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:20,760
you can pick one of any of these then in the silver tier you can pick two of any

836
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:24,599
of these but not Tomb Raider okay not Tomb Raider not BF4 and then the gold

837
00:58:22,559 --> 00:58:30,599
tier you can pick three of any of them except not BF4

838
00:58:26,599 --> 00:58:32,760
so AMD we love you thank you for giving

839
00:58:30,599 --> 00:58:38,440
us all the games but you're naming conventions and your little weird naming

840
00:58:35,359 --> 00:58:40,119
schemes and category things is not

841
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:45,119
really working out they asked me to

842
00:58:42,799 --> 00:58:48,280
settle they asked me to settle for one game or two you know what got me too is

843
00:58:46,559 --> 00:58:51,480
we were talking about like the R9 R7 thing a bunch and how like certain ones

844
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:57,000
should probably be moved into categories and stuff why is an r7260x in the same

845
00:58:54,200 --> 00:59:01,599
category as an r7240 exactly I agree with you 100% what the

846
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:04,160
hell I mean we love you AMD the graphics cards are great we just wish you'd call

847
00:59:02,839 --> 00:59:10,680
them something else and the other thing to is the whole never settle and we're better at game bundles thing um feels a

848
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:15,839
little bit Hollow when NVIDIA is doing their holiday promotion which is Beast

849
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:20,920
is all hell yeah Assassin's Creed Black Flag uh Splinter Cell Blacklist black

850
00:59:18,319 --> 00:59:23,680
light Black List Black List and then Batman Arkham Origins on the higher tier

851
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:30,880
card so you're getting two to three games so for 290x versus is 780 hold on

852
00:59:27,559 --> 00:59:32,599
a minute you might get Battlefield 4 or

853
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:37,400
you will get these three games that are also compelling and you will get $100

854
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:42,280
off of of a shield which is also a compelling experience so it's like now

855
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:46,520
we're settling but then mantle but then mantle 20 to 50% more performance

856
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:50,720
potentially then maybe mantle on NVIDIA but then power consumption and noise but

857
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:54,200
then maybe NVIDIA is going to and then what if you want gsync it's a great time

858
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:58,440
to buy a graphics card because it's hard to make a wrong decision because they're

859
00:59:56,319 --> 01:00:02,440
just all gonna be awesome yeah pretty much all right so this is this is

860
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:07,280
something that's actually GNA be a bit of a quick topic here but speaking of

861
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:10,760
Microsoft um we actually talked about their stupid publicity stunt where they

862
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:16,440
put a giant Xbox One in a parking lot in Vancouver here's another one oh my a you

863
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:21,640
piece of garbage okay so um they're putting an Xbox One in New Zealand so so

864
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:24,880
so whoever whoever gets this Xbox One the lucky winner will get to be I'm just

865
01:00:23,599 --> 01:00:30,559
going to turn the volume off because I have no idea how loud it is I'm I'm

866
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:34,079
sorry in advance how is this not working

867
01:00:30,559 --> 01:00:37,079
how is it not working there you go

868
01:00:34,079 --> 01:00:38,680
anyway find the Sharks cuz I want sharks

869
01:00:37,079 --> 01:00:42,799
with freaking laser beams attached to their heads how complicated is this so

870
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:47,000
the first person in the world to get an Xbox one will be someone in New Zealand

871
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:50,240
who wins this one that they're actually putting into a shark tank that has

872
01:00:48,599 --> 01:00:55,640
something like 20 sharks in it so it's like not a trivial number of sharks um I

873
01:00:54,400 --> 01:01:01,240
think that's really all there is to say about it yeah it's even than the Press

874
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:05,839
who have them yeah even well yeah even in the video they're like oh well we

875
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:09,200
don't know who's going to go get it I'm assuming it's going to be the

876
01:01:07,799 --> 01:01:14,319
same divers that went down to put it in but it was just kind of funny yeah I mean it's it'd be you know what a

877
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:18,319
liability problem that would be if someone actually like went in there and

878
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:21,760
tried to get it and died that' be pretty epic and if there was anywhere where

879
01:01:19,559 --> 01:01:26,440
that would happen it would be down under no I'm I mean I think I think

880
01:01:24,839 --> 01:01:31,400
Australians and New Zealand ERS would be the first to admit that I know but just

881
01:01:29,079 --> 01:01:36,280
last week attacking the sheep and then now calling them crazy well I love those

882
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:39,680
guys I okay think about it this way you guys the time slot that we have for the

883
01:01:37,799 --> 01:01:43,160
W show have we not demonstrated we love you I think Australia and New Zealand

884
01:01:41,599 --> 01:01:48,880
actually have the best time slot for the wi show our own time Z on time on our

885
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:52,960
own time zone gets the B it's terrible because it's like starts at 4:30 when

886
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:57,839
everyone's still at work yeah I know right it's like uh Timmy Timmy tech TV

887
01:01:55,160 --> 01:02:03,720
was like hey lonus I uh can never watch your show anymore it's like I thought we

888
01:02:00,079 --> 01:02:05,440
were friends B just like sorry dude all

889
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:10,680
right uh so this last topic before the Twitter Blitz what is it doing I don't

890
01:02:08,359 --> 01:02:14,359
know look at what I'm doing I like touch here and I try to scroll just like

891
01:02:12,319 --> 01:02:18,200
changed are you are you swiping left maybe if it

892
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:22,440
goes no no no I thought that might have been a thing unbelievable okay so

893
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:26,960
Samsung and Intel find 36 more companies to back selected all of this by swiping

894
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:32,839
left and for there well that's ridiculous uh left and right there oh I hate it all right so Samsung and Intel

895
01:02:30,599 --> 01:02:36,880
finds 36 more companies to back Tien their Android

896
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:41,640
competitor so it's an open- based Linux based open- based open source Linux I'm

897
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:45,599
I you know what I should just leave open source Linux based operating system it's

898
01:02:43,839 --> 01:02:51,319
got some interesting backers so the new companies backing it include eBay Konami

899
01:02:48,799 --> 01:02:56,400
macafe Panasonic and The Weather Channel so if I've ever seen a rag tag group of

900
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:58,599
companies to band together and supp

901
01:02:56,400 --> 01:03:03,039
something that yeah is confusing which is like Intel again because maffy is

902
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:06,640
owned by Intel um okay so the cool some of the cool

903
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:11,599
things about it it'll allow developers to work in CSS HTML 5 and JavaScript

904
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:16,160
which is interesting but is that a security issue kind of weird yeah yeah

905
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:20,880
it's like kind of random and seems to open up a lot open up more doors than it

906
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:24,599
closes so to speak uh performance has been shown off before and if I had my

907
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:29,960
other laptop I would play this YouTube video for you but they just they like

908
01:03:27,559 --> 01:03:33,279
look at a gallery which uses all the most useless possible things like

909
01:03:31,359 --> 01:03:38,440
putting pictures on a cube and then they call someone okay yes and I know it's like

910
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:41,880
how do you show it off but like dude it's on crappy Hardware though so so

911
01:03:40,359 --> 01:03:46,440
Samsung showed it off on something like a Galaxy S2 and they were doing some

912
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:50,319
cool I mean the cool thing about it was that it was an HTML 5 based app as

913
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:56,440
opposed to being I think they both were I think even the calling was so so

914
01:03:52,640 --> 01:04:00,440
that's really neat um is this going to

915
01:03:56,440 --> 01:04:00,440
topple the mighty Google Empire

916
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:05,880
no one thing that I noticed was with the companies that backed it sorry to cut

917
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:08,960
you off there no I I wasn't talking anymore I just said no yeah that was it

918
01:04:07,599 --> 01:04:12,920
I was done one thing I noticed about the companies that are backing it are

919
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:17,279
they're all companies that Google is basically trying to just circumvent and

920
01:04:15,319 --> 01:04:21,520
being like nope this is our own thing like The Weather Channel Google's kind

921
01:04:19,119 --> 01:04:25,559
of doing their own thing maffy they're kind of starting to bundle their own

922
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:28,720
thing like it's it's all it's all stuff that that they're Google is trying to

923
01:04:27,119 --> 01:04:32,279
get rid of so they're all like oh maybe we should back this thing over here it

924
01:04:30,559 --> 01:04:36,839
is kind of like but it isn't going to work I'm a lot more interested in

925
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:40,240
something like Ubuntu phone I actually you know what I actually just cleared

926
01:04:38,319 --> 01:04:44,599
this with uh with Brandon and I'm going to borrow his Galaxy Nexus because that

927
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:48,039
happens to be one of the two phones no no I'm going to I'm going to finish last

928
01:04:46,119 --> 01:04:51,839
one yeah his old yeah his Galaxy Nexus so I'm going to finish my Nexus 5 review

929
01:04:50,279 --> 01:04:57,559
and then as long as nothing else arrives I'm going to man guys xeria Z1 and Nexus

930
01:04:55,279 --> 01:05:00,279
5 are really making me miss my HTC1 I can't wait to get it back I'm actually

931
01:04:58,839 --> 01:05:03,599
going to throw Cyanogen mod on it hopefully as long as I can get

932
01:05:02,119 --> 01:05:08,559
everything sufficiently unlocked cuz I don't have a play story Edition one oh

933
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:14,359
so but I have a I have an early developer one my my original one oh so

934
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:17,599
that might be compat I don't know anyway so I'm going to ask Brandon to let me

935
01:05:16,279 --> 01:05:21,960
borrow his Galaxy Nexus and I'm going to try a bun phone I I'll do like a 30-day

936
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:25,160
look I'll I'll give this a shot you have to remember that it's going to be slow

937
01:05:24,039 --> 01:05:29,920
and the battery life's not going to be that good it's not going to be's fault I know but I'm I just want to try it I

938
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:33,799
want to be like okay well look what if I want to play Pac-Man can I you those

939
01:05:32,119 --> 01:05:38,760
kinds of things if I want to check the weather can I so I find that very

940
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:41,200
exciting u i mean Ubuntu has the the

941
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:46,160
resources and they have the track record of delivering free operating systems for

942
01:05:43,799 --> 01:05:49,920
Better or For Worse and getting support and and building and the improvements

943
01:05:48,119 --> 01:05:54,960
that they've been doing and like the cons like Mass consumer usability of

944
01:05:52,440 --> 01:06:00,680
Linux that Ubuntu has been spearheading for a while is been really they claim to

945
01:05:57,319 --> 01:06:02,760
be the OS on 10% of new PCS shipping

946
01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:07,279
today that's unbelievable well it's not North America but but overall I don't

947
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:10,000
care North America whatever like I'm just I'm just saying that that's why

948
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:15,400
it's probably so unbelievable yeah that's extremely exciting that's extremely exciting yeah so let's go

949
01:06:13,559 --> 01:06:19,279
ahead and head over to the uh the Twitter boards um someone says get mubot

950
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:22,920
or any bot in chat we had muot it was a big problem it's it's a really big

951
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:26,119
problem yeah about the smart fridge how about implementing RFID tags on products

952
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:31,680
which will hold data expired dat in ingredients absolutely that would be

953
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:33,640
amazing huge deal or even like if you

954
01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:38,119
okay think about this if you could like grab apples or something and instead of

955
01:06:36,279 --> 01:06:42,680
the traditional twist tie you can bring your own thing of RFID twist ties you

956
01:06:41,559 --> 01:06:46,119
tie it up and they have a little programmer there or you use your phone

957
01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:50,279
or something and you just go buying apples today Boop yeah and like anything

958
01:06:49,079 --> 01:06:54,559
that's like that you could do with your phone or your own little twist Tire or whatever you just brought up and then

959
01:06:53,119 --> 01:06:59,240
like milk it could just be programmed into the barcode on the milk like it's

960
01:06:57,240 --> 01:07:02,680
and then and then with coupled with the Amazon thing the day your milk expires

961
01:07:01,359 --> 01:07:05,760
some dude could show up with milk and be like yep throw your old milk away here's

962
01:07:04,359 --> 01:07:11,839
new milk wouldn't that be amazing awesome um zodiac soulmate says ASUS

963
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:12,960
just te teased the Mars 760 yeah um

964
01:07:11,839 --> 01:07:17,400
could it be something about NVIDIA's Kepler licens other manufacturers no no I don't think so I think it's just one

965
01:07:16,079 --> 01:07:23,880
of those things where these dual GPU cards don't sell particularly well and the engineering that goes into them is

966
01:07:21,359 --> 01:07:29,039
unbelievable the cost of it like ASUS loses money on every Mar card 100% trust

967
01:07:27,119 --> 01:07:32,799
me they do wouldn't be surprised at all they do I mean the amount of money that

968
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:36,680
it took to even build the stupid heat sink on Aries too the amount of

969
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:41,760
revisions they did to even tool that thing like they lost money it totally

970
01:07:38,319 --> 01:07:43,599
money losing proposition Mar 760 um is a

971
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:47,760
similar so that's why no one does it we actually have one coming cool yeah it's

972
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:50,720
interesting I I looked at it it's interesting have you seen like the

973
01:07:49,039 --> 01:07:58,160
concept photos for the no I haven't even seen it no not not for this for uh it's

974
01:07:54,599 --> 01:08:00,440
fake I'm oh we for Black coming too oh

975
01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:06,359
cool that's actually pretty cool um but yeah someone someone leaked concept

976
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:09,039
photos for a dual 290x GPU card oh yeah

977
01:08:06,359 --> 01:08:13,960
and they just like added a fan to $79.90 and it's like super

978
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:17,600
long I was like there's no way there's like one case that that canit that card

979
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:24,159
would have to be liquid cool like dual rad liquid cool yeah they have four fans

980
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:27,199
on it like okay just upgraded to a 477k

981
01:08:24,159 --> 01:08:28,960
from a Pentium 4 good work Andrew enjoy

982
01:08:27,199 --> 01:08:33,600
that do you think that smartphones would become the new laptop um if Wireless

983
01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:37,560
standards like what Wendell's talking about with docking stations become a

984
01:08:35,239 --> 01:08:41,839
thing and something like Ubuntu phone maybe yeah because with Ubuntu

985
01:08:40,359 --> 01:08:46,159
phone you dock and it turns into a full OS and if we can have steam running on

986
01:08:43,799 --> 01:08:50,120
it all of a sudden we can game on it and more like a desktop experience I think

987
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:53,799
the future is very exciting yeah uh what do you think about famous YouTubers like

988
01:08:51,719 --> 01:08:56,839
total biscuit disabling YouTube comments I think that it's great that they're

989
01:08:55,040 --> 01:09:02,120
trying to send a message to Google and YouTube I think that Google and YouTube

990
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:05,600
probably have some idea that it's a problem at this point um one thing

991
01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:09,480
that's interesting is unbox therapy somehow has the old comment system on

992
01:09:07,159 --> 01:09:12,960
his channel and he has a Facebook post the only YouTube channel that still has

993
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:17,159
the old comment system I don't know how he did it but uh awesome I suspect he

994
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:21,239
won't even tell me because he just like trade secret or something or maybe he

995
01:09:18,480 --> 01:09:24,239
just like luckily didn't get bumped I don't even know what it is but anyway um

996
01:09:23,199 --> 01:09:29,600
I think it's important that they're sending a message and that's cool I think YouTube and Google know and

997
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:34,359
they'll do something um and for me personally I don't see the difference

998
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:39,120
between disabled comments and spam comments that we can just all not look

999
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:40,159
at i h i hate the new comment system but

1000
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:46,920
the main reason why I hate the new comment system is when you see the top dude it's like 300 comments on his post

1001
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:52,920
they can fix it so easily though there's things that they can do and it can be

1002
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:57,239
better so let's just let's just give them a chance um and I'm not going to

1003
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:59,520
hurt my own search rankings to send a message to Google and YouTube that they

1004
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:02,880
already know not going to change anything like people so someone said uh

1005
01:10:01,679 --> 01:10:06,239
you should disable it let people talk about on the Forum okay go talk about on

1006
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:11,920
the Forum I would love for you to go talk on the Forum but the reality of it is is that

1007
01:10:09,679 --> 01:10:16,159
YouTube comments are and I believe always will be lowest common denominator

1008
01:10:14,199 --> 01:10:19,280
people who aren't willing to go and talk about it on the Forum you can have a way

1009
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:23,760
more intelligent conversation about any of the videos we make on our Forum 100%

1010
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:27,120
okay and and if you post if there's a problem with the video like in a very

1011
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:30,840
video if you post something like that on the Forum like I reply to those all the

1012
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:34,600
time there's a reply under that one saying like oh this is what's wrong this

1013
01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:38,239
is what the change should be no one saw it no one liked it the Forum is the way

1014
01:10:36,480 --> 01:10:42,000
to interact to with us people send me YouTube private messages I'm like what

1015
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:45,159
what are you high I get hundreds of them I can't look at all these whereas when I

1016
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:50,719
get private messages on the Forum I try to respond to them if there's something to be responded to if it's just like

1017
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:54,520
YOLO swag 420 Linus I think you're awesome I'll be like yeah okay cool user

1018
01:10:52,199 --> 01:10:59,080
on the Forum yellow yellow swag 420 smoke it I think every single time I see

1019
01:10:56,440 --> 01:11:02,719
him post on anything I'm just like oh my brain uh should I expect some sweet

1020
01:11:01,239 --> 01:11:06,239
deals on new genen cards around Christmas this year I would stay tuned

1021
01:11:04,239 --> 01:11:09,080
for Black Friday that's where you'll actually get thewe I'm excited I've

1022
01:11:07,719 --> 01:11:13,480
heard tons of rumors I don't know if you've heard about this Note 3 on Black

1023
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:18,000
Friday is supposed to like be super cheap huh that's cool like actually

1024
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:22,120
sensibly purchasable cheap which heat sink should I get with a node 605 um

1025
01:11:20,159 --> 01:11:26,560
Noctua has a really nice low profile one that we will be unboxing soon and then

1026
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:30,159
installing in edel's video editing rig I forget what it's called though L

1027
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:35,159
something basically find the noct a low profile one all this this is my answer

1028
01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:40,920
what cooler should I get find the Noctua one that fits Noctua did not pay me to

1029
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:45,040
say this although I uh no I'm not going to talk about lonus what do you think of

1030
01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:47,600
the PS4 red line of death I think that the the rumors of its death have been

1031
01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:52,400
greatly exaggerated the the number that's being

1032
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:58,080
thrown around right now is 4% which is within not a h deal any information on

1033
01:11:55,960 --> 01:12:02,199
lonus Edition Corsair fans I have no plans for Corsair fans lonus Edition

1034
01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:07,920
fans would you rather eat a piece of your old garlic bread or rub Sriracha on

1035
01:12:05,320 --> 01:12:11,639
your face and kiss lick I've probably eaten year old garlic bread before so

1036
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:17,000
I'm going to go with that hook up the graphics card cooling

1037
01:12:14,040 --> 01:12:20,679
Loop to an AC during winter equals winning um you know what I actually

1038
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:25,560
brought the chiller the other day it's here now you know do you know anyone who

1039
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:29,440
can do metal fabrication yes let's get it done it won't be cheap all that's

1040
01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:33,480
fine let's get it done let's make an enclosure so that we can I know someone

1041
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:37,560
who can make custom cases for us entire computer cases okay let's get a case for

1042
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:42,800
the chiller the challenge I had before was that I needed appropriate insulation

1043
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:46,199
on the tank for the cold side that was the issue I had before but if we could

1044
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:49,480
make a case for it it would be heavy we could put it on Wheels though but we

1045
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:52,639
need to get it self-contained cuz that's the only reason I don't use it they can

1046
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:56,880
cat it for us and everything okay let's do it it won't be cheap okay are we

1047
01:12:54,920 --> 01:13:02,320
talking $10,000 not cheap or are we talking $1,000 not cheap probably like

1048
01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:04,320
the lower one okay I have no idea though

1049
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:07,239
um hook okay have you heard the alarm clock that tells you how long you've got

1050
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:13,080
left to live no that's awesome Squarespace win a

1051
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:16,080
website event # o crap yeah I know what are your thoughts of the wallet

1052
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:21,360
replacement coin card haven't actually seen that

1053
01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:25,679
interesting I'm from New Zealand I bet they hid the Xbox in Auckland it's it's

1054
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:31,800
in a it's in the yeah it's not not hidden all right so back to the show uh

1055
01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:36,520
the humble store is up this is pretty cool um this is both cool and it seems

1056
01:13:34,440 --> 01:13:40,520
like sort of a step in a direction that that I don't want them to go yeah oh

1057
01:13:38,440 --> 01:13:47,760
yeah like what the devil is this exactly um fixed percentage of sales sharing at

1058
01:13:43,639 --> 01:13:51,360
10 which is like so this is what just

1059
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:53,520
happened what is this thing

1060
01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:59,080
doing it's taking inputs and it's not putting them to the right place well it

1061
01:13:55,880 --> 01:14:02,000
should stop that

1062
01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:06,719
like okay why don't you just use a real browser why am I in that browser Now

1063
01:14:04,719 --> 01:14:11,000
where's the other one I hate this I saw you just open that one I hate my life

1064
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:16,800
well I don't hate my life I just hate this just use a you've got look real

1065
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:20,199
browser I know but I have it open here and I'm logged in okay there we go I

1066
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:25,199
don't even know what I did well you dragged down from the top back to Humble Bundle I'm trying to click on the okay

1067
01:14:23,320 --> 01:14:31,080
so the original Humble Bundle concept okay indie games um we want to support

1068
01:14:27,679 --> 01:14:33,320
Indie developers you choose a charitable

1069
01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:35,760
donation money to give to the Indie Game Dev or money to give to the Humble

1070
01:14:34,679 --> 01:14:41,320
Bundle organization that was the original concept okay then we got the

1071
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humble weekly sale which is whatever it

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is it's basically an excuse to run two bundles at the same time as far as I can

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tell and then the humble store which is not bundles it is games that you buy and

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01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:56,600
instead of choosing where the money goes now it is 10% of the proceeds go to

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charity period period have we have we lost our way a little bit here uh one

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01:14:59,159 --> 01:15:06,440
thing about this is we never see big AAA new titles on the Humble Bundle okay and

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01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:11,280
this has Splinter Cell Blacklist Red fashion collection far C

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01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:16,080
Cry 3 blood Dragon for like 10 bucks just like $5 off which is like it's a

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deal but it's not that compelling and why am I giving you 10% for this I mean

1080
01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:23,400
basically they're just leveraging the traffic that they got by being good guys

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01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:26,719
and becoming a steam competitor they're still being good guys cuz there's 10%

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going and I and I think it would probably be harder to get developers to

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01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:33,880
jump on the store idea so that's probably where it has to go they

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01:15:32,679 --> 01:15:39,199
probably have to have slightly bigger margins because they're probably have the people in the store taking more they

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01:15:37,239 --> 01:15:43,920
can probably promise the developer higher margin this way as well whereas

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Humble Bundle is just like okay freefor all but Humble Bundle has traditionally

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been either indie or if it's AAA it's old like my understanding is that EA had

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a lot of the contributions not go to EA

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as compared other humble bundles this is I'm not going to say who I heard this

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from but I heard it so people were less

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01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:06,040
inclined to give someone like EA money that was in the EA bundle the only

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really compelling thing was Battlefield 3 and they were replacing it in like a

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01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:12,880
month or two but that's not and they basically gave it away for free now

1094
01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:17,560
that's not even the point necessarily I mean the point is that people were

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01:16:15,719 --> 01:16:21,520
willing to pay money for the game they just weren't willing to give it to EA

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01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:25,440
whereas if EA sells games through humble store then at least they're guaranteed

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01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:29,800
some kind of a cut yeah so I understand the business here it just seems like um

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01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:35,520
it just see it just seems like they aren't what they used to be so let's just be aware of that which doesn't make

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humble bundles not a great deal it just makes them not what they used to be

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that's all we have 5,000 live viewers right now guys thank you for watching

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01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:48,000
that is amazing you guys are awesome that is all all right uh

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let's I want my laptop back I don't know why my DisplayPort output isn't working

1103
01:16:55,159 --> 01:17:02,040
okay anyways do you want to go on another Ranch you talking about

1104
01:16:58,760 --> 01:17:03,760
kiat no no no no you know what actually

1105
01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:07,520
my problems with Nexus 5 so far have nothing to do with Kit Kat oh I like

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01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:10,920
kitat okay no actually all the things I'm going to [ __ ] about are more to do

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01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:14,000
with other stuff oh um so I have a review coming at the Nexus 5 for those

1108
01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:19,040
of you who don't follow me on Instagram which I think is most of you um KitKat

1109
01:17:16,280 --> 01:17:24,360
Android 4.4 has a feature that will allow rooting to basically be disabled

1110
01:17:22,120 --> 01:17:28,639
which we've heard before rooting this is rooting going away reading but it may

1111
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:31,280
actually be true this time I wanted to talk with Wendell about this shoot I

1112
01:17:30,120 --> 01:17:36,480
meant to move this up to our guest segment yeah cuz he had some really interesting input I have read already

1113
01:17:34,280 --> 01:17:43,360
that the Nexus 5 is already rooted right but this article so the article on PC

1114
01:17:40,679 --> 01:17:47,679
pcmag.com okay no I don't want to sign up for your offers go away all right so

1115
01:17:45,679 --> 01:17:52,239
there's a picture of an Android made of Kit Kat bars I need food I am so hungry

1116
01:17:50,719 --> 01:17:58,239
like my blood sugar is low and I shouldn't even be on the air right now

1117
01:17:55,000 --> 01:18:02,800
so what has been built into Android 4.4

1118
01:17:58,239 --> 01:18:05,080
KitKat essentially is the ability for a

1119
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:09,760
handset maker to block rooting now there are security implications here there are

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01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:13,560
reasons why you wouldn't want root access to be available to just about

1121
01:18:11,239 --> 01:18:17,760
anyone because rooting has become so easy that it's not even just for power

1122
01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:21,360
users anymore that really understand the implications of the like I'm not a power

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01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:26,880
user when it comes to phones and when it comes to digital security not really I

1124
01:18:23,679 --> 01:18:28,320
actually rely on on him in a big way to

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01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:32,520
support me and help me with these kinds of things because I know some I know

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01:18:30,360 --> 01:18:36,639
just enough to be dangerous and that is exactly what phone rooting can be it can

1127
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:40,120
be just people who know just enough to be dangerous but don't know enough to

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01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:43,320
know how to protect themselves and I'm not saying rooting should be taken away

1129
01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:47,920
from the power users I'm just saying that it's a can of worms so what they're

1130
01:18:45,679 --> 01:18:52,639
going to allow is someone like Samsung who has been locking down functionality

1131
01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:55,480
on their phones left and right to basically go look this phone is not

1132
01:18:54,000 --> 01:19:00,960
rootable okay now Google has not opted to make

1133
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:05,040
the Nexus 5 unrootable in fact there was a route for it before it was released

1134
01:19:02,440 --> 01:19:07,679
and it's apparently phenomenally easy so I think they're doing a couple of things

1135
01:19:06,360 --> 01:19:12,120
here so number one is they're positioning Nexus devices as the clear

1136
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:15,199
power user choice because I think they know that whatever they think about it

1137
01:19:14,080 --> 01:19:21,800
there's going to be certain handset makers that are going to want to lock this down number two is they are

1138
01:19:19,360 --> 01:19:27,880
allowing Android to be potentially more secure on platforms where handset makers

1139
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:34,000
feel like they can get away with it and so Samsung so like Samsung I think this

1140
01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:36,159
is interesting for senen mod because

1141
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:39,880
they just tried to be like oh hey everyone we're going to make that way

1142
01:19:37,400 --> 01:19:42,560
easier Implement implementation we're going to make one click a thing we're

1143
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:46,400
going to make all this other kind of stuff and then now Google's like L

1144
01:19:45,320 --> 01:19:51,000
here's this thing although they're not putting on Nexus devices which is kind of cool I'm still to try it I'm becoming

1145
01:19:49,639 --> 01:19:56,960
more and more of a phone guy all the time so this is my first experience with

1146
01:19:53,199 --> 01:19:59,840
vanilla Android Android experience um

1147
01:19:56,960 --> 01:20:03,400
I'm going to be trying out uh ubu phone at some point I'm going to try out

1148
01:20:01,080 --> 01:20:07,480
Cyanogen MOD as soon as I get my HTC1 back um but I'm I'm excited I'm I'm like

1149
01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:14,600
I'm getting to the point where I can make observations about phones that aren't just stupid are you leaving how

1150
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:17,320
are we getting all the gear there on

1151
01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:23,639
Monday okay we'll figure it out we have a shoot on Monday so um I

1152
01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:26,639
don't I will be benchmarking games our next topic is

1153
01:20:26,920 --> 01:20:30,840
is AMD to

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01:20:32,199 --> 01:20:35,199
bring

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01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:41,400
wow just oh so this was posted on the

1156
01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:46,800
Forum by top war gamer and the original articles from polygon.com so AMD to

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01:20:44,159 --> 01:20:52,000
release tress effects 2.0 animates grass and

1158
01:20:47,880 --> 01:20:55,600
fur so now we can have loft's hair and

1159
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:57,840
grass animated by Tres effects wow you

1160
01:20:55,600 --> 01:21:05,159
just made that joke well I kind of had to wow all right so trust FX um oh

1161
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:09,960
God I mean there's good things about it so it's supported on both AMD and NVIDIA

1162
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:13,719
so that's a thing it's phenomenally performance intensive uh I mean on

1163
01:21:12,199 --> 01:21:19,280
lowend cards what kind of performance Deltas were you seeing it almost halfed

1164
01:21:15,239 --> 01:21:21,480
it like not quite but like close on

1165
01:21:19,280 --> 01:21:25,560
something like a 260x on the on the r7240 video you'll notice that it's it's

1166
01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:30,159
pretty high setting but with TR effects off so that's a real barrier um I mean

1167
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:33,560
mantle may may alleviate these issues somewhat and improve the performance of

1168
01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:36,080
it it's like I thanked everyone for being here and that we had 5,000 viewers

1169
01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:41,960
and it went like all the way down to like 4700 for a bit there it's like yeah

1170
01:21:39,480 --> 01:21:45,239
well you know whatever L us screw you man well actually I think it's just that

1171
01:21:43,400 --> 01:21:49,760
the stream started late so people are and we're currently at yeah we're near

1172
01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:53,120
5,000 I'm using the xsplit number which isn't always uh which isn't always up to

1173
01:21:51,360 --> 01:21:56,840
date sometimes it's zero I mean the other problem that I have with tres so

1174
01:21:55,040 --> 01:22:00,000
besides the performance hit maybe mantle can alleviate this but it probably won't

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01:21:58,239 --> 01:22:02,440
on NVIDIA because even though effects works on NVIDIA blah blah blah they

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01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:10,120
won't have mantle unless they Implement mantle so it's all up in the air right now is that the game list is a little

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01:22:06,719 --> 01:22:12,400
bit ghost town I mean I criticize physx

1178
01:22:10,120 --> 01:22:16,639
I do I I have criticized physx many times in the past not because it isn't

1179
01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:21,480
great technology it is it's cool it could have ushered in a new era of

1180
01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:26,800
gameplay if it hadn't been tied first to a proprietary PCI addin card and then to

1181
01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:31,639
one GPU maker but I'm going to criticize trust effects for the same thing right

1182
01:22:28,280 --> 01:22:34,920
now the the the game list is is Tomb

1183
01:22:31,639 --> 01:22:36,600
Raider but and Tomb Raider yeah and I

1184
01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:40,719
don't even mean Tomb Raider and the old Tomb Raider I mean Tomb Raider 2013

1185
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:47,520
edition and Tomb Raider 2013 edition that's the problem I I will be so I will

1186
01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:49,760
I will pray to the gods of gaming if

1187
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:57,360
freaking Elder Scroll 6 comes with tress effects 2.0 because grass and fur

1188
01:22:55,199 --> 01:23:01,360
random in an Elder Scrolls game Tres effect style would be amazing mods can

1189
01:22:59,639 --> 01:23:06,719
already make it really cool but adding Tres effects to that and then allowing

1190
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:08,199
people to mod it like holy crap imagine

1191
01:23:06,719 --> 01:23:13,040
imagine the grass mods that some people have been doing to Skyrim but with trust

1192
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:18,000
effects that would kill any system you have for

1193
01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:20,360
one but for two would look amazing

1194
01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:23,320
likeus what's cool about mantle too though is we could be looking at a

1195
01:23:21,880 --> 01:23:26,760
completely different way of interacting with multi-GPU system

1196
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:30,840
so you could kind of go yeah no this is my tressfx card and this is my this and

1197
01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:34,520
this is my that and you throw like three different gpus in your system and I mean

1198
01:23:32,639 --> 01:23:37,800
we're talking later on down the future but we're just talking about the way

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01:23:35,719 --> 01:23:42,400
that AMD is approaching allowing game developers to spread out resources and

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01:23:40,639 --> 01:23:45,840
leverage them the way that they want to oh it's an exciting world we haven't

1201
01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:48,880
even talked enough about cavar we're going to have to talk about it next week

1202
01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:53,080
I mean heterogeneous system architecture is going to be such a big deal allowing

1203
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:56,880
the CPU and the GPU to access the memory resources they need and share

1204
01:23:55,400 --> 01:24:02,560
one thing that I'm super sorry to cut off a little bit one thing I'm super stoked with AMD about lately is how they

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01:24:00,440 --> 01:24:09,239
developed this awesome thing yeah like effect and like HSA and just go like

1206
01:24:05,960 --> 01:24:10,679
yeah sure open with HSA someone else

1207
01:24:09,239 --> 01:24:14,840
deal with it we'll just develop it and it's just like I mean is this a return

1208
01:24:12,600 --> 01:24:21,000
to the Athlon 64 days where they said look here's our 64-bit extension and

1209
01:24:18,360 --> 01:24:25,440
Intel go ahead well we'll license it to you obviously Intel but but basically we

1210
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:29,719
want this to be a standard we worked really hard on this we'd like for people

1211
01:24:27,400 --> 01:24:33,199
to use it I hope they do because it could be

1212
01:24:31,800 --> 01:24:36,920
awesome someone just said in the chat there's already trust effect Style mods

1213
01:24:35,159 --> 01:24:40,199
for Skyrim but one thing that he also brought up which is very important is it

1214
01:24:38,480 --> 01:24:44,639
doesn't support like Collision detection and stuff right which is like a really

1215
01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:48,239
big deal yeah so so you know what I think we have to cut off the show now

1216
01:24:46,480 --> 01:24:52,040
even though we honestly had probably a dozen more topics that we would love to

1217
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:57,560
talk to you guys about as always you can check out the uh the document in in the

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01:24:55,320 --> 01:25:00,480
description of the YouTube archive so if you just wanted to see what we thought

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01:24:59,119 --> 01:25:06,960
was interesting this week even if we didn't get a chance to talk about it please go ahead and do that um thank you

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01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:11,320
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all the work that goes into it without sponsors to make it possible so guys if

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if you wanted to use a VPN solution this particularly applicable to our outside

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reason try it out give Hotspot Shield a chance the trial is free and if you have

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that sets you apart from again we need

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to make them an industry affiliate yeah we should probably do that all right

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peace out guys thanks for watching are you doing an after party I am doing an Afterparty I'll cover Bill logs of the

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01:25:53,719 --> 01:25:58,719
week there sorry we didn't have time um

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and I will try and cover some of the other random topics that we didn't cover

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01:26:00,280 --> 01:26:09,560
so unofficial Afterparty on the twitch.tv lukor

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lafr channel so um guys I we've noticed

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01:26:09,560 --> 01:26:16,880
quite a few people are subscribing to that channel it should be noted that um

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01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:21,480
we're going to have some if you want to support awesome what we do here there

1238
01:26:19,440 --> 01:26:26,880
will be some better options where more of the revenue actually goes to us

1239
01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:31,119
it's public dollars twitch takes 50% yeah soon so if you kind of stay tuned

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01:26:29,400 --> 01:26:34,199
for that there's going to be like some really good stuff everyone says all

1241
01:26:32,719 --> 01:26:39,320
right screw lineus everyone over to pistol's Channel all right guys why why don't we

1242
01:26:37,960 --> 01:26:45,400
do that whole thing where we stop streaming and then we dump everyone okay everyone go over to pistol's channel so

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01:26:43,040 --> 01:26:49,040
pistol is uh is also a member of the tech Syndicate team so it's Logan and

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01:26:46,920 --> 01:26:54,920
Wendell Our Guest today everyone go over there and just be like YOLO Lina sent us

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01:26:51,440 --> 01:26:58,000
YOLO yeah YOLO well you do only are you

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01:26:54,920 --> 01:26:59,719
becoming edel now well I don't know I've

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been I've been working with you guys for a long time I know like I've been

1248
01:27:02,080 --> 01:27:08,520
working with him over a year now isn't that crazy I've been working with you

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01:27:05,719 --> 01:27:14,480
over two years like are we

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01:27:11,040 --> 01:27:16,000
friends is the name of our company bad

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01:27:14,480 --> 01:27:19,360
yeah lus Media Group is a stupid name for a company