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welcome to the WAN Show guys uh we would like to apologize for the incredible

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slowness with which we got the show going today we had a number of issues

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first and foremost was the fact that our where is that thing cuz I think we

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should just destroy it on camera okay so our baringer headphone splitter and

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amplifier has gone further than having one dead port and has now failed

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outright and is causing all kinds of random interference so this thing can

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die in a fire then my DisplayPort output on my other notebook you can see

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I'm not using my notebook this week decided that it did not want to be

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imported by the a media capture card nor the Blackmagic extra backup capture card

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that we have on our stream PC so I had to run and find another notebook to use

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so between those two issues we've had to redo our audio setup we've had to change

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over my notebook and I believe we actually redid the networking in this

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room while we were at it and we did all that in half an hour so as much as we're

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very sorry for being late we do sincerely apologize we hope that you're

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at least a little bit impressed that we managed to bring the show to you at all

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today so Guys Without further Ado

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welcome to the W show our topics today

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oh first of all our special guest is Wendell from Tech Syndicate by popular

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demand we're actually going to be bringing him on pretty much right away because we're starting late and we're

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going to have a ton of discussion about AMD's event that just ran this week

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there's lots of new stuff about mantle

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amds upcoming cavar apus in January at

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as well as I mean just cool St software stuff like Tres FX 2.0 which is

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apparently going to do more than make a ponytail waggle back and forth

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realistically most of the time uh We've also got lots of console stuff to talk

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about so one of them of the many console

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topics is the PS4 streaming to Vita compared to NVIDIA streaming from a PC

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to NVIDIA Shield which I think is actually pretty interesting Yeah we

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actually got a PS4 today so we are definitely going to be doing some

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highspeed footage comparing the latency of Shield to the latency of PS4's V I

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guess we'll have to get a v we have to get oh balls okay well we'll have to do that okay anyway we can probably get a

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used Fe without further Ado here's the intro

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in countries where they're not allowed to be used so it's

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uh yeah I mean I just said everything it does

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right essentially all right so without further Ado guys let's launch into our

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first topic before we have Wendell join us so Kev

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is AMD's upcoming Apu architecture so

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it's going to be changing over from the previous generation cores to I believe

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oh bollocks what's the new one called is it Steamroller

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or no I think it's steam so they're going to be changing over to Steamroller

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cores which is going to amount to essentially improved performance and

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single-threaded applications which let's face it guys AMD has been due to deliver

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us for a while here we've been looking

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at pretty much for a from a per clock

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basis um not a whole lot of improvement

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in the last few generations of AMD processors they've done things like

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adding more cores and they've done things like increasing clock speeds but

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the actual IPC hasn't changed a whole lot so we're going to see a dramatic

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Improvement there the other thing that we're going to see improved is

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multi-threaded performance so this is going to be augmented by certain

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software things that are going to be changing over the next little a while particularly for gamers with mantle but

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cavar is going to improve single-threaded performance multi-threaded performance and

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dramatically improve GPU performance so this was a tweet from Ryan Shrout who

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I've actually arranged to join us next week I don't know if you knew this yet cool so Ryan's going to be joining us

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next week he was at the event we unfortunately weren't able to attend but

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this tweet he says just saw AMD cavar

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running Battlefield 4 at 1080p medium

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settings beating the Intel 4770k and

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gForce gt630 GPU impressive especially

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impressive when you consider that that cavar CPU Apu GPU whatever you want to

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call it that Cav Apu is probably going to be significantly less expensive than

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that other solution now I suspect that AMD was picking and choosing the

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comparison a little carefully there because the 4770k costs $100 more than a

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4670k and doesn't tangibly improve the gaming performance in most games whereas

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spending that extra $100 on a GPU but is

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kind of thing Battlefield 4 maybe but in Battlefield 4 but I think we can still

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agree that spending another $100 on a GP made a bigger difference blah blah blah

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a bigger difference we actually just did some testing recently that maybe you'd

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like to talk about a little bit so we normally don't review low-end stuff and

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we normally don't review stuff that um that we think is stupid because what's

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the point of us giving exposure to products that we think are stupid but

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recently just to kind of you know fly in the face of everyone saying how we're

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we're this and we're that and we don't do these things I decided to do it we

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grabbed an r7240 graphics card which is an $80 card very value oriented or is it

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no no really that's all you're going to say about it if you if you put down the

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rebate and actually do it unlike many people happen to do and decide to get a

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70 77

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7770 so many sevens a 7770 if you pay

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the rebate it's basically the same price and is incredibly better and if you

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decide to get a you want a new generation one if you shove out a little

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bit more and get a 260x it's way way way

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way way better so basically lanus wanted

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to torture me and have me test a r7240 which was torture yeah what was

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benchmarking like at 9 frames per second I'm just curious I I had to run the Far

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Cry Benchmark way more than I normally run it because if if you guys have seen

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the Far Cry benchmarking video you know I go around that Loop and I kind of bend

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around the corners and try and get up and hit those barrels and whatever and I have to be hitting the barrels and I try

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to dodge guys that's and Rockets I have to dodge Rockets Dodge all the Rockets

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if I get hit by a rocket I have to restart because it changes the frame rate too much so I was constantly

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getting hit by Rockets cuz I couldn't Dodge them cuz I can't move properly and

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I was constantly like just skimming barrels not hitting them and just being like ah well I need that time increase

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so I kind of need to restart just like

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come on or I hit an angle around a corner just kind of weird and hit

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something and it would stop the car and I just be like okay I have to start

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again so basically guys what we're trying to say here is if you really want

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a value optimized Graphics solution

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check out apus we actually have a build guide that we're going to be working on

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very very soon we're going to be bringing that to you guys where we're going to do kind of like a $500 to $600

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Apu system so it's going to be optimized for using opencl to accelerate certain

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workloads such as uh Adobe Photoshop some of the filters you can apply are

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opencl accelerated it'll also be focused on the upgradeability of an APU so you

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can have entry-level gaming today then you can pop a $150 $100 graphics card in

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it and you can have a truly excellent gaming experience that's as good or

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better than what you can get with a game console for really that not that much more expensive especially when you

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consider the additional functionality so I am an advocate of Apu I'm an advocate

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of graphics cards that are about $100 and up but that low-end graphics card

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Market whether it's AMD or NVIDIA we're not meaning to pick on AMD with the

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r7240 they just they they came up their

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number was up so I mean there's other AMD solutions that we like so I would

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say yeah and like you just said something like a

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630 probably equally stupid yeah yeah so

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the the thing is upgrade your entire system if you have $80 to spend grab a

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cheap Apu and a motherboard and that's

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that's and sell your old stuff get a couple bucks there maybe you can get 20

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bucks for it if it's really old that gives you an extra little bit to maybe

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grab you know a little bit of RAM or you can get 4 gig RAM kits I think for like

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25 bucks these days I was looking at uh at them online the other day oh okay cuz

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I was going to say with the RAM shortage I wasn't sure yeah so I mean yeah

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upgrade your system get reasonable performance and then upgrade a little

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bit again later all right so without further Ado let's invite our special

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guest Wendell from Tech Syndicate by popular

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demand why hello there sir you might not be able to hear me yet but you might be

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able to hear me now cuz he was just doing the

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things hopefully he's there yes you left

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us in suspense there we redone the audio setup which means that we really just

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don't know what's going to work and what's not hey man how are

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you yeah I've I've had better days thank you for

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asking yeah so uh oh oh what whoa people are

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saying they can't hear Wendell okay okay give us just a moment here we got to

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hm why um

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uh hold on it's on this one isn't it I

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have no idea yeah oh I don't remember how to fix that okay Wendel give us a

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moment we might have a bit of a team speak configuration thing going on

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here ah it's like uh you know the NSA

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who of course is probably a big fan of you just doesn't doesn't want this show

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to happen so they like you know hacked

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our stream PC or oh my God something

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stop conspiracy theories abound here so

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they they don't want this stream to happen so they came into our house with

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uh you know oh actually Wendell can you talk for a minute let's see if they can hear you now o to spot Felix is your

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taxonomic nomenclature okay I all right welcome to

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the show man now we've only met in person once before but uh I think we had

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a fair bit of fun going to that restaurant that Logan couldn't eat

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anything at and

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uh that was kind of fun that that that was kind of fun so why don't you just

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take a brief moment and introduce yourself to those few of our viewers who

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don't already know who you are I'm uh hey guys I'm wendle I'm un

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loan from Tech Syndicate and uh I sort of take care of the Forum a little bit

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over there and some of the technical things and I do a little bit of

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everything so um I sort of I'm I'm sort

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of the nerd that nerds out with Logan I guess yes all right so speaking of nerding out

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why don't we just go ahead and jump right into our first guest topic here

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which is a little bit out of order but uh this this was a post on Intel's

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Facebook not that long ago I'm just going to go ahead and show all the nice

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folks watching this thing so Intel says and So speaking of nering

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out right into the smart refrigerator

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concept we're developing a little bit will know what food is stored a

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possible recipes so they've got crap on here that's like recipe

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match you a little recipe this is a very first world problem having so much

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variety and the food that we can choose to eat that we need a computer to tell

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us what to eat and when and how but tell

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me about this concept and how Intel might not have been the first one to

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think of this oh well I think what

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you're talking about is um in college I built something similar um but it was uh

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it was a little different okay so the Intel thing is they've got the fridge

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and you know the fridge knows what's inside it and blah blah blah I didn't really do

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that well why don't you tell us what you what you did have running because it

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sounded pretty cool when you were telling me about it I've got um so what

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I did was you know it's it's very much foul Bachelor Frog if you can imagine

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foul Bachelor Frog so a lot of frozen dinners were sort of you know in my

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future but I had a a barcode scanner hooked up to a microwave oven and so I

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could take something out of the freezer and scan it with the barcode scanner and

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put it in the oven but you know a frozen dinner in a microwave oven that never

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comes out well so I got one of the fancy ovens with the turntable and so it's

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like you know running high for 5 minutes and then sleep for two minutes and then spin it the other way for a minute and a

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half I got kind of fancy with the programs for the programmable microwave

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so that was kind of fun but you know fresh vegetables there's no barcode so

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it didn't work so basically what you had what you

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had managed to build was something that would have terrible implications for the

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the health of anyone that uh that that

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that used it because no one would ever eat vegetables anymore only things with

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barcodes yeah you would have to you would have to prepare your meals ahead

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of time I guess for like the the way that that but it was you know a minimum of effort I mean how cool is that you

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can just pop open the fridge scan it put it in a thing and then when it beeps

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it's done it's actually pretty freaking cool and like yeah it would be pretty

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funny if you got like a homemade barcode creator thing M just like individually

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barcoded all of your different vegetables well I even actually like I

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like I thought of that because one of the things that I wanted to do as an inventory system here I talked to you

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about this very briefly because we get a lot of like random graphics cards and

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stuff arriving some of it has to go back some of it doesn't have to go back it's

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hard to keep track of what anything is or how much it's worth or what we're

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supposed to do with it so I I was like okay well we should just have like a

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tablet with a barcode scanner like at the door and then when stuff arrives we

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could just scan it into inventory put in an approximate value from the invoice

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and then at least we can we can track things but uh this Intel thing looks

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much more sophisticated and I think there's a few there's a few different

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ways that this could improve our lives so number one that comes to mind

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immediately of course is the recipe match number two is replenishment so

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with Amazon rolling out things like grocery delivery you could just

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basically have you know it could be like Google Now not only tracks when you need

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to go to work and how to get there and how long it's going to take but tracks

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what you might be in the mood to eat based on your you know circadian rhythms

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or whatever the season and you know hey it's October would you like some pumpkin

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pie and uh you know it'll just order from Amazon what you might like to eat

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you can obviously manually override it if you want and then it just shows up

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you put it in your fridge your fridge tells you what to cook I mean are we going to get to the point where we don't

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even have to think anymore it it would probably work pretty

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well from a nutrition and and diet management point because um I knew

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somebody that lived in Seattle when they had the home grocery delivery service

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and that was amazing like that was like I stayed with them uh for a month or so

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while I was out there and it was the most incredible thing ever I mean you

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get weekly fresh groceries fresh vegetables all delivered right to your

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door and it's like wow if you combine that with you know Nutrition management

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and something else and it's all handled by an application you don't have to think

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anymore which you know what I mean we when we say that it sounds like kind of

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a dirty word you know you don't have to think anymore like I've ized lukee here

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for not being able to find his way to work after working there for well over 6

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months because but I bust there the whole time sometimes because I barely

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ever drove you were driving for a while and you still didn't know how to get

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there like four times whatever so what he there's like four turns okay so what

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he would do is he would just key it into Google Maps and then he would follow it

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and then he wouldn't think and in this like I kind of would tease him i' go

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well you know traffic roading it would give me a different route every time based on traffic so old guys like me had

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to listen to the radio and had to actually know how to get places whereas

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I had a conversation with someone who disagreed with me very strongly that at

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some point kids aren't even going to know how to drive or how to get anywhere

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because it'll always be done for them but nutrition is something where I

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really don't think there's anything wrong it's like phone numbers it's like

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what is the benefit of storing phone numbers in your head other than 911 I

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don't think we really need phone dies or something yeah or if your phone dies or

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something but even then I have like two or three that if I'm ever in trouble it

00:17:01.680 --> 00:17:07.919
would be fine I don't need to know all of them but nutrition is something that is so essential and is so complicated

00:17:06.520 --> 00:17:11.319
that people and people don't really understand like you would be able to do

00:17:09.640 --> 00:17:14.559
things like your smart fridge could detect on Facebook that you said you're

00:17:12.720 --> 00:17:17.600
going to have a baby and all of a sudden it could take papaya out of your regular

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shipments because pregnant women shouldn't eat papaya which is a totally unintuitive thing how cool is

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that I like that a lot I mean the smart applications I think there's there's a

00:17:26.959 --> 00:17:33.559
lot to the Future in that I knew one of the that worked on the the residential

00:17:30.760 --> 00:17:37.200
version of the turbo chef and that it's it's been out for many years now

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probably four or five years but there's an app that's built into the home turbo

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Chef this is like a $5,000 home oven but it can cook things immediately and it

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makes it really easy to cook things like chicken and Duck and lamb and things

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like that without having to do a lot of preparation with fresh ingredients and I

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I could see sort of the the technology there with this oven combined with

00:17:54.360 --> 00:17:59.640
something like this fridge I mean it's it's a really interesting technology and

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you end up you know sort of having a better life experience cuz you know you're doing good home cooking and

00:18:02.440 --> 00:18:07.840
things like that it will improve the quality of life and you know what I

00:18:05.640 --> 00:18:12.600
don't mind cooking I find one of the most crappy things about homecooked

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meals is coming up with what you want to eat and then shopping for it and then

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all of a sudden we've taken the the the tediousness tedium I guess would be the

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correct word out of that and all you have to do is prepare food which really

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isn't even that timec consuming and is so much less expensive and so much

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better for you it would just be automatic Improvement for me because I

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just go to Costco I'm going live by myself I just go to Costco and buy like

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little troughs of chicken breast and then just like something like a huge

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thing of Roma lettuce and I'm like okay I'm eating chicken and lettuce chicken

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and salad for like a week and a half at least you could even uh mix it up and

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have a chicken salad oh exactly that's basically where the end of my creativity

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is cuz I'm like I'm going to save money and that's the only thing that I really end

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at I mean the other thing many people don't understand very well and it's not

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a criticism of them it's just it's kind of complicated is how long food is good

00:19:05.200 --> 00:19:11.240
for so when you add the food when you start having you know uh codes or chips

00:19:09.799 --> 00:19:16.840
inside the packaging or whatever else the case may be that the smart fridge can be aware of you put some beef in

00:19:15.000 --> 00:19:19.960
there and your smart fridge can send you a text message be like yo you haven't

00:19:18.480 --> 00:19:23.120
cooked this yet you've got probably about 6 hours to pop it in the freezer

00:19:21.840 --> 00:19:26.919
before that's just not going to be good for anything anymore we could be looking

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at a lot of health benefits from a food spoiling perspective as well which I

00:19:28.440 --> 00:19:33.960
think is as cool you know I think um

00:19:32.000 --> 00:19:37.760
when the iPad first came out about 6 months or a year after um apps

00:19:36.159 --> 00:19:42.559
Epicurious and I think apps like Epicurious which is like sort of an interactive recipe program I think those

00:19:41.000 --> 00:19:47.679
were some of the top sellers in the app store because people were using them in the kitchen so it was a sort of totally

00:19:45.400 --> 00:19:51.880
unexpected Serendipity from sort of having ubiquitous easy tablet

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Computing it's actually one of the first apps I got for my smartphone when I got

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it was I don't remember if it was actually Epicurious but it was one of

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the ones that is like oh I have all of these different things what can I have

00:20:00.960 --> 00:20:07.000
for dinner tonight y because it actually helped like I I knew what I could make

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with that but I would take this app and it would spit out something that I

00:20:09.159 --> 00:20:14.799
wouldn't have thought of or that I didn't even know what it was and it was just a different way of making it it was

00:20:13.200 --> 00:20:19.640
really interesting to discover a few recipes that way so let's have some

00:20:17.400 --> 00:20:23.440
discussion about AMD which is going to be um you know an uncommon theme on

00:20:21.840 --> 00:20:28.840
today's show uh which is of course total BS so

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let's talk mantle here I just want to go through some tweets for the audience

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real quick here so that they're kind of up to speed so these are some tweets from James prior who I actually I

00:20:35.000 --> 00:20:41.440
actually know he's uh he's in charge of Apu marketing right now he seems like a

00:20:39.960 --> 00:20:44.480
pretty good guy I've had a couple calls with him so here are some tweets from

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Ryan trout again Who Will Be Our Guest next week in James prior so Ryan says

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you know this could completely change the landscape for multicore which has

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been a sore spot for Gamers game

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developers uh CPU makers who can't scale

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frequency anymore they need dis scale course to keep the actual power

00:21:01.520 --> 00:21:09.000
consumption and heat output of these chips down and yet gaming which really

00:21:06.400 --> 00:21:13.880
has driven performance in some ways particularly on the consumer desktop for

00:21:11.840 --> 00:21:17.480
a long time it's it's it's just not able to leverage the stuff so so Ryan

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basically goes okay yeah this is going to completely change the game because

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all of a sudden an fx8350 is just as fast as a core i 74770 k that is a head

00:21:24.880 --> 00:21:32.600
explosion moment because a 4770k is a lot faster than an fx8 350 in gaming

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right now James also says with mantle

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they underclocked an fx8350 to 2 GHz so we're talking about a

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frequency that is about 60% of what that can actually run at and the game was

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still GPU bound on an R9 290x there was

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no loss in frame rate so CPU performance and the funny thing about this is AMD is

00:21:52.120 --> 00:21:58.000
also sort of a CPU company is is is is

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moving towards irrelevance I mean I guess it's great because AMD is also a

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GPU company it's funny how many people talked about how the ATI acquisition was

00:22:02.679 --> 00:22:09.960
going to sync AMD and AMD was like no no it's our future trust us well I'm just

00:22:07.760 --> 00:22:13.960
glad they lasted long enough to to show us what's going on now so there's a

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couple other things um a frame with mantle has a lot of unused CPU time

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there's not a driver hole at all that's awesome and then this is a comment from

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oxide who's developing a an engine that

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is going to be more geared towards RTS

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where they're saying they can make RTS games GPU Bound for the first time in

00:22:30.240 --> 00:22:36.520
pretty much forever and they've only had a few months so they basically haven't

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had time to optimize it but they figure it's about two man months worth of

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development time to get mantle into game

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so why don't we let wend why don't you give us your thoughts on this whole

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mantle and multi-threaded Computing optimization thing that's finally

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happening okay so I looked at the I looked at the presentation I haven't had

00:22:52.880 --> 00:22:58.039
a time to go through it really in depth because you know at the outset it seems

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like they're trying to get blood from a turnup because things have really been

00:23:00.400 --> 00:23:05.000
well optimized in these games for a long time and so it's like architecturally

00:23:03.679 --> 00:23:10.400
what are they doing different I don't understand well in the AMD mantle video

00:23:07.919 --> 00:23:14.760
at 1639 they explain it and it starts to make sense um one of the major things

00:23:13.080 --> 00:23:17.559
that they do is sort of take out well direct X isn't part of the equation but

00:23:16.279 --> 00:23:22.960
you know is direct X really that terrible well part of the problem is

00:23:20.240 --> 00:23:25.559
that direct X is a little bit monolithic and you know when you're adding shaders

00:23:24.320 --> 00:23:30.200
and things like that it goes through a bottleneck where all the all those things that are happening in parallel

00:23:28.159 --> 00:23:35.400
have to be synchronized but with the mantle architecture at 1639 in that

00:23:32.720 --> 00:23:39.159
video it's showing that they're um sort of developing independent cues that can

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live and exist in different memory space and on different cores on the GPU and so

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it becomes much less CPU bound at that point and everything can run in parallel

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and that sounds really

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promising so instead of I mean so to so to give the viewers some context in the

00:23:54.000 --> 00:23:59.279
early days when we were first getting dual core processors and we were all

00:23:57.320 --> 00:24:03.919
really excited about it it was kind of like oh well now we can run like the

00:24:01.200 --> 00:24:07.840
in-game AI on One processor and then we can use the other one just to power the

00:24:05.679 --> 00:24:11.480
graphic experience and then what we realized when we started getting three

00:24:09.720 --> 00:24:17.400
core and four core and six core processors is that okay so now we've got

00:24:14.400 --> 00:24:19.159
like AI here and physics here or on the

00:24:17.400 --> 00:24:23.480
GPU depending on if you ask AMD or NVIDIA about that and then we've also

00:24:21.240 --> 00:24:28.919
got the actual gaming experience here so so the without the ability to

00:24:25.679 --> 00:24:31.720
parallelize the actual GPU r the actual

00:24:28.919 --> 00:24:35.960
rendering of the scene we were stuck for a really long time and it looks like

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Mantle's just according to AMD's claims going to just flat out fix that now

00:24:38.120 --> 00:24:43.799
they're finally talking numbers although we had heard rumors earlier that of of

00:24:42.399 --> 00:24:49.840
around these numbers but they're talking about 20 to 50% performance improvements

00:24:47.480 --> 00:24:53.279
on cards that are a couple years old with AMD mantle enabled games how

00:24:51.520 --> 00:24:57.360
exciting is that from a consumer standpoint I I think that it's going to

00:24:55.640 --> 00:25:01.360
sort of open up a whole new world it makes sense with their Str because you

00:24:59.399 --> 00:25:06.720
know the Apu has clearly gotten a lot more attention from AMD you know R&D and

00:25:04.480 --> 00:25:09.520
stuff like that and it's really kind of disappointing on the desktop processor

00:25:08.360 --> 00:25:13.480
side of the world because it's like hey you know what there's still room to innovate on the desktop side I mean

00:25:12.039 --> 00:25:17.159
let's work on power consumption or something but when you look at it this

00:25:15.279 --> 00:25:20.320
way it's like ah architecturally you know they may be on to something here

00:25:18.600 --> 00:25:22.760
because this is this means they're going to be able to do more with less and

00:25:21.799 --> 00:25:27.640
that's where they're going to cut their power and that's where they're going to they're going to get their

00:25:25.279 --> 00:25:32.440
efficiency absolutely I mean one thing there were rumors circulating for a

00:25:29.240 --> 00:25:33.880
while about a six core yeah and that's

00:25:32.440 --> 00:25:38.320
that's exactly that tweet about downclocking the chip to 2 GHz is like

00:25:36.120 --> 00:25:42.399
okay how much power consumption does an 8350 at 2 GHz have I mean we don't know

00:25:41.200 --> 00:25:48.480
I don't think anyone ever tried it because it just didn't perform well enough to try to run it at such a low

00:25:46.000 --> 00:25:51.840
frequency and do anything with it but that's uh that that's absolutely

00:25:50.320 --> 00:25:56.279
gamechanging I mean to put this in perspective for the viewers again we're

00:25:54.240 --> 00:26:01.440
talking 20 to 50% performance Improvement puts a an R

00:25:59.159 --> 00:26:06.919
9270 which is about a $179.99 graphics card so mainstream

00:26:04.720 --> 00:26:13.480
performance puts that in the same performance weight class as an

00:26:10.320 --> 00:26:15.679
r9280x which is a $300 plus do graphics

00:26:13.480 --> 00:26:21.080
card and not that long ago was a $400 $500 graphics card last gen that is that

00:26:19.360 --> 00:26:26.640
is absolutely gamechanging and what can NVIDIA do to address

00:26:23.840 --> 00:26:31.159
this well you know this is an open platform and so NVIDIA can sort of adopt

00:26:28.840 --> 00:26:35.240
the model here I think you know I don't have any real I don't have any friends

00:26:33.000 --> 00:26:38.320
that are like really really inside the game sector I know some people that

00:26:36.880 --> 00:26:42.799
develop indie games and they always complain about how terrible DirectX is

00:26:40.200 --> 00:26:46.679
but how the problem with openg GL is that it's not like it's standardized

00:26:44.919 --> 00:26:49.640
across platforms but it's not the same across platforms and so something that

00:26:48.120 --> 00:26:53.240
might work great in one situation doesn't work at all in another situation

00:26:51.840 --> 00:26:58.760
at least you don't have that with direct X mantle is an opportunity for AMD to

00:26:56.960 --> 00:27:02.480
bring that to not just the the Windows platform but probably also Mac and Linux

00:27:00.960 --> 00:27:07.520
and I'm really hoping that the Linux thing takes off me too I mean I don't

00:27:05.559 --> 00:27:12.720
know if you saw this but did you see Microsoft sort of hey we're we're sorry

00:27:10.520 --> 00:27:16.279
about the whole PC gaming thing and how we completely crap the bed on that uh

00:27:15.320 --> 00:27:21.679
we're going to we're going to we're going to support it better we're going to start by eliminating games for

00:27:18.840 --> 00:27:26.399
Windows Live which I think was met by uproarious you know horay and all of

00:27:24.240 --> 00:27:32.240
that kind of stuff but is it just too little too late I mean they had

00:27:28.399 --> 00:27:35.000
opportunity really for the last 5 years

00:27:32.240 --> 00:27:41.320
to get their crap together you know what give the PC your Halo game come on you

00:27:37.840 --> 00:27:42.919
guys is it is it too late yeah I mean I

00:27:41.320 --> 00:27:46.279
think the biggest problem with DirectX is the way that the shaders are handled

00:27:45.320 --> 00:27:52.360
that's Apparently one of the big bottlenecks and the one of the things about the sort of Q's implementation I

00:27:50.440 --> 00:27:55.840
guess is what they call it in the video is that it lets those things sort of

00:27:54.399 --> 00:27:59.559
live on their own so right now if you think of it the GPU you're giving a

00:27:57.840 --> 00:28:03.279
whole attas to the GPU that are well suited for the GPU and you have you know

00:28:01.480 --> 00:28:06.919
like Soldier Ai and things like that running on the CPU and then at the

00:28:05.080 --> 00:28:10.440
middle of this mess is direct X and direct X is trying to synchronize all

00:28:08.600 --> 00:28:14.159
those things and you know with mantle it's like hey we can do this this way

00:28:12.440 --> 00:28:19.320
and this that way and you can yeah ex it's it's it makes a lot of sense and it

00:28:17.399 --> 00:28:23.320
puts stuff in the hands of the developers but it makes sense that the

00:28:21.519 --> 00:28:27.919
hardware people are providing it and so if Microsoft plays nice and provides a

00:28:25.640 --> 00:28:31.200
low enough level Hardware interface that they don't don't have to like hack the

00:28:29.080 --> 00:28:34.279
Windows kernel that's what Microsoft needs to do because their expertise is

00:28:32.679 --> 00:28:37.880
not here they need to step aside and let the experts do what they need to do and

00:28:36.279 --> 00:28:43.120
give them what they need at an operating system level and that's the best thing they could do for this and at the same

00:28:41.360 --> 00:28:46.840
time I I actually don't necessarily think it's too little too late because

00:28:44.440 --> 00:28:50.399
of what Wendell just said and because even though Linux is being much more

00:28:48.279 --> 00:28:54.760
openly adopted now it's still that scary word I love Linux but a lot of people

00:28:52.559 --> 00:28:58.080
are just scared of it don't want to try it and the second they sit down in front

00:28:56.120 --> 00:29:03.279
of them even though it's not sitting in command console at first or terminal um

00:29:01.320 --> 00:29:07.480
yeah I totally don't see this going to desktop Linux right away I think it'll

00:29:05.159 --> 00:29:11.640
be on the steam box or something like that and then it'll sort of leak from

00:29:09.360 --> 00:29:14.799
the steam box onto Linux desktop I don't think it'll be there overnight but

00:29:13.159 --> 00:29:18.559
that's exactly it I don't think it'll be overnight either but this is I mean this

00:29:16.559 --> 00:29:23.760
is what I see happening what I see happening is this opening the door now

00:29:21.559 --> 00:29:28.279
okay to be clear when mantle was first talked about this is again this is more

00:29:25.399 --> 00:29:32.880
for the viewers benefit it wasn't very clear what what exactly it was AMD gave

00:29:31.320 --> 00:29:36.519
some details but they were I think they were waiting for this event to really

00:29:34.399 --> 00:29:41.039
talk about it and so there was there were a lot of rumors it was open to

00:29:38.279 --> 00:29:44.600
NVIDIA it wasn't open to NVIDIA it was running on the PlayStation 4 it was

00:29:42.919 --> 00:29:48.799
running on Xbox oh no it was it's not running on those and it really wasn't

00:29:46.919 --> 00:29:52.480
clear it'll work on Linux or you know I think that one's been pretty clear from

00:29:49.960 --> 00:29:57.519
the start but what we're finding out now and this was again revealed at the event

00:29:54.440 --> 00:30:00.320
where Johan Anderson who is Li D lies

00:29:57.519 --> 00:30:04.480
dice's lead uh like dice's lead technical I think was future whatever

00:30:02.960 --> 00:30:07.880
something he has a complicated title but basically he's leading future

00:30:06.320 --> 00:30:12.960
development for the frostbite engine Series where he basically said okay yeah

00:30:10.440 --> 00:30:18.039
it's not the same but the mantle code for Battlefield 4 looks a lot closer to

00:30:16.080 --> 00:30:22.360
the PS4 code than it looks to the direct X code so if a game developer I mean one

00:30:21.080 --> 00:30:28.120
of the things we've talked about on the show before is that guys like indie game

00:30:25.080 --> 00:30:31.320
devs if they were going to pick one then

00:30:28.120 --> 00:30:33.519
might pick direct X but all of a sudden

00:30:31.320 --> 00:30:38.600
that could change if a lot of indie game devs are developing for console first

00:30:35.760 --> 00:30:41.919
right so if they could do it relatively easily this could be a total Game

00:30:40.519 --> 00:30:48.519
Changer and then they could add support for Linux they could add support for Windows and all of a sudden I mean Indie

00:30:45.240 --> 00:30:49.919
guys love Linux yeah well they they love

00:30:48.519 --> 00:30:54.960
adopting it because then you get that huge hord of people that will support you yes and they're very outspoken and

00:30:53.720 --> 00:30:59.720
we'll talk about it a lot and your game gets a lot of traction another thing that I noticed though was the uh I don't

00:30:58.559 --> 00:31:04.519
remember their name but those guys making the engine um oxide oxide we're

00:31:02.639 --> 00:31:09.840
saying that it takes about they said it takes almost not a lot of work two

00:31:07.200 --> 00:31:14.480
months of man hours yeah so if you have even two devs you could do it in a month

00:31:12.639 --> 00:31:18.720
and you can do it like how like how dice is doing it I have no problem with that

00:31:16.480 --> 00:31:23.600
release the game and then follow up with mantle support sure especially for a

00:31:21.919 --> 00:31:25.799
game that's a multiplayer oriented game where we're not talking a single player

00:31:24.919 --> 00:31:30.159
campaign that you're going to play through in a week and then you're going to put the game on the Shelf

00:31:28.559 --> 00:31:36.159
I mean not I mean do people still buy physical games I mean put it away in your steam Library

00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:41.360
um as long as it's not something like that then yeah I have no problem with

00:31:38.320 --> 00:31:45.600
that as long as mantle is well supported

00:31:41.360 --> 00:31:47.679
not only crossplatform but also um cross

00:31:45.600 --> 00:31:50.600
device and that's where you know NVIDIA is going to be at a disadvantage

00:31:49.039 --> 00:31:54.440
implementing this and I hope that that doesn't impede its adoption but at the

00:31:53.440 --> 00:31:58.440
same time you know you got to look at Microsoft Microsoft does have a console

00:31:56.519 --> 00:32:02.279
and they do have a desktop and and you know if you think back to the Xbox one

00:32:00.080 --> 00:32:05.919
that was just a PC it seems like they could have learned these lessons like 10

00:32:04.200 --> 00:32:13.399
years ago and Incorporated it into the Windows OS and one wonders why they

00:32:09.399 --> 00:32:15.399
didn't I I mean this is uh this is this

00:32:13.399 --> 00:32:21.399
is a very this is a very confusing thing to me and I mean my my whole my Outburst

00:32:17.679 --> 00:32:24.039
about Halo um is is sort of a microcosm

00:32:21.399 --> 00:32:28.840
of that I think where Microsoft had this opportunity to be everything to everyone

00:32:26.679 --> 00:32:34.080
for gaming they they really did I mean when PCS got

00:32:31.000 --> 00:32:37.200
more powerful why didn't Microsoft just

00:32:34.080 --> 00:32:39.519
give us an Xbox first gen emulator and

00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:43.880
let us buy Xbox games and run them on our

00:32:40.279 --> 00:32:46.039
PCS really guys why not you could have

00:32:43.880 --> 00:32:50.080
done it I thought that's where they were headed with the Xbox 360 and then all of

00:32:48.279 --> 00:32:53.639
a sudden they put you know power PC they put a Mac processor in the Xbox 360

00:32:52.159 --> 00:32:57.919
isn't that right isn't it a isn't it a power PC yeah it's an IBM power PC I

00:32:56.039 --> 00:33:02.120
think it's like a three core some weird thing and I and I saw that and I went

00:32:59.639 --> 00:33:06.840
what you guys were so close to just being dominant here who could have

00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:11.799
stopped you at that point and then and then if they owned the desktop and they

00:33:09.279 --> 00:33:17.039
owned the notebook and they owned the game console then how much more

00:33:14.960 --> 00:33:22.880
compelling is something like their mobile platform if all of a sudden I can

00:33:19.320 --> 00:33:25.039
get this back library and the the wiel

00:33:22.880 --> 00:33:28.440
alliance can continue and Intel can get into Mobile because all of a sudden

00:33:26.559 --> 00:33:32.919
they're the ones powering the plat that Gamers and enthusiasts want to use

00:33:31.440 --> 00:33:37.200
how how close were they to having that happen how myopic was their view that

00:33:35.159 --> 00:33:41.000
allowed this to occur what happened here well they are back to PC I guess now

00:33:39.080 --> 00:33:44.240
again with the x86 architecture one wonders what that has like what they've

00:33:42.440 --> 00:33:49.519
got up their sleeve for ex the uh DirectX infrastructure or what the

00:33:46.279 --> 00:33:52.120
developer kits look like on on Xbox

00:33:49.519 --> 00:33:55.120
one yeah yeah I mean there it's not like they're down for the count it's not like

00:33:53.440 --> 00:33:59.080
they're out of money I think I saw something not that long ago that says

00:33:56.720 --> 00:34:05.720
their their revenue from Android alone is something like 2 billion a year so so

00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:05.720
they got they got plenty of money to fix

00:34:06.200 --> 00:34:13.879
this all right so speaking of crossplatform this is something that for

00:34:11.440 --> 00:34:19.639
me personally is really exciting and that is streaming from larger devices to

00:34:17.079 --> 00:34:24.720
smaller devices in the home now NVIDIA Shield is something that was met with I

00:34:22.280 --> 00:34:28.359
think a very mixed reaction and I think that's being very generous people for

00:34:26.159 --> 00:34:32.079
the most part said oh it's too expensive and it's stupid why would I even want to

00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:35.720
play my games on this handheld thing when I could be sitting at my PC and I

00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:39.879
think the problem is that NVIDIA's trying to approach the the the

00:34:37.879 --> 00:34:43.440
traditional PC Gamer with this and I think they haven't had much luck

00:34:41.520 --> 00:34:47.599
communicating to console Gamers because there's for whatever reason that weird

00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:52.639
divide between glorious PC gaming Master race and the the console peasants as the

00:34:49.879 --> 00:34:55.960
PC guys like to refer to them um you know we can all blame zero punctuation

00:34:54.399 --> 00:35:02.000
for this but PlayStation 4 is adding a feature

00:34:59.520 --> 00:35:06.920
that Shield was first to Market with and NVIDIA calls it game stream where you

00:35:03.760 --> 00:35:08.920
can stream from your PS4 to a PS Vita

00:35:06.920 --> 00:35:12.640
and play PS4 games on the vaita with of course PlayStation 4 graphical Fidelity

00:35:11.400 --> 00:35:17.280
what are your thoughts on this we actually saw it demo there was a video that came out I think it was today or

00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:22.320
yesterday that was showing that the latency is actually very

00:35:19.520 --> 00:35:26.040
low it it's really interesting that this sort of technology I mean you look at

00:35:23.960 --> 00:35:30.280
the latency of the transport mechanism you know wired versus Wireless

00:35:28.280 --> 00:35:35.359
and I think with the with the PS4 didn't they mention that the 1080p streams have

00:35:32.640 --> 00:35:42.839
to be wired um oh Oh you mean with the shield yeah yeah yes Shield has to use a

00:35:39.119 --> 00:35:44.920
wired USB 2 to gigabit Ethernet adapter

00:35:42.839 --> 00:35:48.880
so you can tell they need more than 100 megabit sustained but less than a full

00:35:47.440 --> 00:35:55.640
gigabit because obviously it's going over USB 2 um in order to achieve 1080p

00:35:52.960 --> 00:35:58.440
streaming okay so the way to think about this and this is just sort of back of

00:35:57.200 --> 00:36:03.079
the envelope there's some different approaches here if you're going to

00:36:00.520 --> 00:36:07.200
stream you can do it Progressive or you can do it uh block based if you're doing

00:36:05.160 --> 00:36:11.280
sort of a progressive stream as soon as the data comes in you send it out again

00:36:09.319 --> 00:36:14.319
when you do that you can't really do any compression you can't compress that

00:36:13.240 --> 00:36:18.880
means you're going to have a lot of data you're going to need a really highspeed connection that's not good news for a

00:36:17.520 --> 00:36:24.960
wireless connection because wireless connections can't handle as much data as a wired connection if you're going to

00:36:22.280 --> 00:36:29.280
send it in chunks it becomes how fast you can encode each chunk of data so

00:36:27.079 --> 00:36:32.079
like let's say hypothetically you've got something running at 10 frames per

00:36:30.640 --> 00:36:36.240
second well why 10 frames per second because it makes the math easy so 10

00:36:33.800 --> 00:36:41.200
frames per second is about 100 milliseconds per frame and if your chunk

00:36:38.880 --> 00:36:44.400
size is one frame it gets a frame in it has to convert it that takes 100

00:36:42.640 --> 00:36:48.119
milliseconds you've added 100 milliseconds of latency so even if you

00:36:46.599 --> 00:36:53.240
have something that runs at 60 frames per second you're adding one 160th of

00:36:50.480 --> 00:36:58.000
second a second of latency to encode that and and send it down the wire even

00:36:55.400 --> 00:37:01.280
if it can run at 60 frames a second so you need something absurdly fast if

00:37:00.160 --> 00:37:06.400
you're going to compress it and do something with it that can you know if you only want to add 1 millisecond of

00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:09.800
latency it has to run at a th000 frames per second it has to be able to process

00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:13.359
a frame in a millisecond because that's the delay that it adds now to be clear

00:37:11.359 --> 00:37:18.560
for the viewers Wendell is not talking about FPS like frames per second in

00:37:15.920 --> 00:37:22.560
terms of GPU processing he's talking about it in terms of encoding

00:37:20.200 --> 00:37:26.040
performance so that is taking the larger image and compressing it and packing it

00:37:24.440 --> 00:37:30.520
into something that is much less data intensive so the the way that we measure

00:37:28.440 --> 00:37:34.359
that is also in frames per second so just just so that's clear for everyone

00:37:31.880 --> 00:37:39.359
so sorry wend keep going no yeah no that's that's exactly right because um

00:37:37.280 --> 00:37:43.280
you get into a situation where you just physically the thing physically can't

00:37:41.359 --> 00:37:47.839
keep up and you know people you know Pro Gamers say that they can feel you know 5

00:37:45.200 --> 00:37:51.800
10 milliseconds I I don't think any human being can really feel the

00:37:49.160 --> 00:37:55.920
difference much less than about 20 or 25 milliseconds but 20 25 milliseconds I

00:37:53.800 --> 00:38:01.160
mean you can get a lot of those time slots in a 1second period and so it

00:37:58.480 --> 00:38:04.319
sounds like that the shield and the PS4 maybe are using different kinds of

00:38:02.680 --> 00:38:08.760
technology and so I think it's going toi a different consumer experience very

00:38:06.960 --> 00:38:13.000
interesting I mean we know that the reason NVIDIA is only allowing gam

00:38:10.960 --> 00:38:18.640
stream on Kepler gpus with their Hardware based encoder is that they have

00:38:15.960 --> 00:38:23.280
dedicated Hardware on the graphics card that is handling this in order to keep

00:38:20.359 --> 00:38:28.720
the latencies low enough so whatever Sony has done um probably isn't that so

00:38:27.119 --> 00:38:32.480
I think you're right it's very fair to say that they're using a completely

00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:36.119
different implementation one other thing one other real problem I have with

00:38:34.280 --> 00:38:41.839
Sony's implementation regardless of how they're doing the encoding is that the

00:38:38.200 --> 00:38:44.920
PS4 only uses 2.4 GHz that is single

00:38:41.839 --> 00:38:47.920
band wireless n which means that as much

00:38:44.920 --> 00:38:50.560
as this demo might work on you know in a

00:38:47.920 --> 00:38:54.359
keynote or the demo might work in a reviewer's office where there's one

00:38:52.599 --> 00:38:58.119
other Wi-Fi network wait till someone turns a microwave on wait till someone

00:38:56.000 --> 00:39:01.160
turns a microwave on wait till someone yeah exactly you bring your you bring

00:38:59.400 --> 00:39:03.920
your Vita into the kitchen to like you know microwave your pizza pop and you

00:39:02.760 --> 00:39:09.520
want to play your game while you wait yeah good luck with that and then wait till someone in an apartment buys a PS4

00:39:07.160 --> 00:39:13.760
and aita and there's 100 wireless hotspots within range this is just plain

00:39:11.280 --> 00:39:17.480
old not going to work yeah it's the wireless situation is going to be really

00:39:15.319 --> 00:39:22.560
bad even if you even if everything is ideal if you have two devices going at

00:39:19.640 --> 00:39:26.000
the same time all of unless your wireless access point is a really

00:39:24.560 --> 00:39:30.319
high-end commercial access point that has multiple radios um almost all the

00:39:28.680 --> 00:39:33.480
the access points out there have trouble sending and receiving multiple streams

00:39:31.920 --> 00:39:37.280
that's why like the you know triple antenna receiver blah blah blah was sort

00:39:35.720 --> 00:39:41.359
of in Vogue a couple years ago and it's still around with like the Dual Band 2.4

00:39:39.200 --> 00:39:45.720
and 5 GHz that kind of thing mitigates the problem but the 2.4 only even if you

00:39:43.880 --> 00:39:49.560
get two devices they're going to be competing with one another and it's like

00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:53.319
the hardware implementations of dealing with that competition is only just dirty

00:39:51.599 --> 00:39:58.000
dirty hacks and it doesn't really work and for something like streaming it's

00:39:54.960 --> 00:40:00.200
it's you can't even watch Netflix yep no

00:39:58.000 --> 00:40:05.920
you're you're absolutely absolutely right I mean NVIDIA just plain old says

00:40:03.400 --> 00:40:09.920
Nope you don't have you don't have a 5 GHz wireless connection so we're just

00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:15.520
not even just you press it and it just says Nope uh they they just say look you

00:40:12.880 --> 00:40:20.400
need this router deal with it whereas Sony I think by allowing quote unquote

00:40:18.319 --> 00:40:25.520
better compatibility is actually going to be hurting the enduser experience

00:40:23.160 --> 00:40:30.319
yeah yeah they would have to have a com like a like a hardware h26 4 encoder or

00:40:28.359 --> 00:40:34.359
something in Hardware that can run at like 100 150 frames per second just to

00:40:32.599 --> 00:40:40.400
make that come out and that's probably not an inexpensive piece of

00:40:36.839 --> 00:40:42.920
Hardware yeah so I mean you know some

00:40:40.400 --> 00:40:46.560
thought some thoughts there now okay what what we also did just for just for

00:40:44.680 --> 00:40:49.319
fun is we did a bit of a cost Showdown here so maybe I'll let you talk about

00:40:47.839 --> 00:40:53.359
this loot because you worked on it okay so we compared a few things so PS Vita I

00:40:51.520 --> 00:40:56.839
looked I looked on new eggs so we had more rounded out numbers so this assumes

00:40:55.200 --> 00:41:03.079
you don't own aita cuz as far as I've never actually seen one in someone's

00:40:58.640 --> 00:41:05.599
hands so there uh PS feed is about 200

00:41:03.079 --> 00:41:08.359
bucks and a shield is about 300 bucks on their own so if you got that but then

00:41:06.960 --> 00:41:14.599
you need the other Hardware to run them so I looked into it and said Okay a PS4

00:41:11.079 --> 00:41:16.880
is about $3.99 so with a PS v it's about

00:41:14.599 --> 00:41:20.400
$5.99 as a combo because I looked around and didn't see any combos for that but

00:41:18.839 --> 00:41:25.200
and we may see bundles we may see bundles so bundles will change the

00:41:21.880 --> 00:41:28.359
landscape somewhat so okay go ahead um

00:41:25.200 --> 00:41:30.119
and then Shield is about 2 99 as we know

00:41:28.359 --> 00:41:35.920
but if you buy it with a graphics card so let's say a 770 you can get a GTX 770

00:41:33.880 --> 00:41:40.560
a shield um Batman Arham

00:41:38.359 --> 00:41:45.040
Origins why am I forget spinter Cell Blacklist and Assassin's Creed 4 Black

00:41:42.599 --> 00:41:51.040
Flag so you're getting three games all for 549 and if you wanted to buy so

00:41:48.319 --> 00:41:56.480
that's that's $5.99 for a PS4 and a Vita or 549 for 770 a shield three games and

00:41:55.160 --> 00:42:01.839
if you wanted those three games with the PlayStation it would would be around

00:41:58.920 --> 00:42:06.240
$750 so that's pretty compelling looking expensive PC gaming is starting to look

00:42:03.760 --> 00:42:11.520
like it makes a whole lot of sense and if we see NVIDIA support something like

00:42:08.960 --> 00:42:17.520
mantle I mean NVIDIA's future even more than we saw already maybe in Solutions

00:42:14.880 --> 00:42:21.640
and their mobile processors even more than we already knew because if they go

00:42:19.240 --> 00:42:26.920
and support mantle with this we could be looking at a situation where you can

00:42:23.880 --> 00:42:30.079
take a crap CPU your old machine you can

00:42:26.920 --> 00:42:31.720
buy a graphics card you can get a shield

00:42:30.079 --> 00:42:36.359
or some other mobile platform from NVIDIA that supports this

00:42:33.440 --> 00:42:40.119
technology and have a great gaming experience that's really competitive

00:42:38.359 --> 00:42:44.000
with the price and performance of a console and just makes well actually

00:42:41.480 --> 00:42:47.880
makes console's performance just look stupid can I get a shout out to the PC

00:42:46.520 --> 00:42:52.160
Master race I know right well the just the

00:42:50.200 --> 00:42:55.440
thing of it is I've been using Shield pretty extensively lately I don't find

00:42:53.800 --> 00:43:00.960
much time to game I don't find much time when I'm sitting at my computer I'm usually uploading videos or something or

00:42:58.839 --> 00:43:05.000
like researching topics for the W show it's hard for me to be at my computer

00:43:02.920 --> 00:43:08.960
and just play a game whereas I got an Invidia shield and I've actually almost

00:43:07.200 --> 00:43:13.040
finished Batman Arkham City in the last couple weeks I'm actually find because I

00:43:10.599 --> 00:43:18.680
can I can play with it in bed it works am amazingly well you need a beast

00:43:15.720 --> 00:43:24.640
router you really do even my EA 4200 just choked on it I needed to get an

00:43:20.520 --> 00:43:26.839
ASUS rtn 66u which is like super two

00:43:24.640 --> 00:43:31.520
thumbs up for that router um but it is an amazing experience and people need to

00:43:29.480 --> 00:43:36.760
need to get it like uh we had a we have a new camera guy that just started he's

00:43:33.319 --> 00:43:38.599
an intern and he was he was filming uh I

00:43:36.760 --> 00:43:43.520
was talking about these Bluetooth MGA power controllers that um give your your

00:43:41.920 --> 00:43:49.760
your battery life a bit of a boost on your phone and they clip to your phone so you can play Android games and it's

00:43:46.839 --> 00:43:52.319
like $80 for the high-end one and I and I showed him a shield he's like what's

00:43:51.079 --> 00:43:56.119
that thing I'm like oh well it's like got a genuinely console grade controller

00:43:54.440 --> 00:44:01.040
it plays your Android games and you can stream games from your computer and play

00:43:57.640 --> 00:44:02.800
them on here and he's like w Really

00:44:01.040 --> 00:44:06.319
NVIDIA is just so terrible at marketing to mainstream they just have no idea

00:44:04.440 --> 00:44:12.400
that this exists I think that um when the steam

00:44:09.839 --> 00:44:15.720
box takes off you're going to see a lot more peripherals like that and I think

00:44:14.040 --> 00:44:19.599
that it's going to get a lot more it's it's going to get a lot more visibility

00:44:17.680 --> 00:44:23.559
but the the the problem I guess that probably steam has right now is that

00:44:22.119 --> 00:44:26.680
you've got NVIDIA that has a lot of these really cool Innovative things but

00:44:25.240 --> 00:44:30.800
they're kind of expensive which is not good for an appliance from an appliance

00:44:28.680 --> 00:44:35.440
standpoint and you have AMD who's sort of bringing the rain with very

00:44:32.640 --> 00:44:39.000
inexpensive Hardware on both CPU and GPU side that can really bring it home which

00:44:37.400 --> 00:44:44.280
is going to be much better suited for a console like PC

00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:46.640
Appliance yep that's very very true so

00:44:44.280 --> 00:44:50.359
you know whether I mean okay so NVIDIA's benef so if we're going to go pros and

00:44:48.119 --> 00:44:55.160
cons list NVIDIA is going to have gam stream and then AMD by by proxy so

00:44:52.839 --> 00:44:59.440
through Steam OS is going to have the console mode of game stream which he

00:44:57.280 --> 00:45:02.960
also supports if you get a weird adapter and whatever whatever whatever so it's

00:45:01.160 --> 00:45:07.319
going to be basically do I want to pay more to have the mobile experience on

00:45:05.079 --> 00:45:12.359
top of the couch experience or do I want the value optimized solution that spanks

00:45:09.800 --> 00:45:16.440
the consoles in terms of performance and you know in terms of having all these

00:45:13.800 --> 00:45:21.640
Indie Games in this huge game library but doesn't support mobile at the same

00:45:19.079 --> 00:45:25.640
time someone could make an open platform style of a shield so a really really

00:45:23.800 --> 00:45:30.559
similar product that's still running Android but then isn't down to a GPU but

00:45:28.520 --> 00:45:34.800
then NVIDIA's strength a lot of the time is in their proprietariness For Better

00:45:32.720 --> 00:45:38.480
or For Worse it's the fact that I mean we were joking about this earlier as

00:45:36.480 --> 00:45:41.440
much as this stream is going to be once Wendell leaves we have a bunch more AMD

00:45:40.079 --> 00:45:46.040
stuff where we're going to be like r r ra AMD um stuff like raptor is not

00:45:44.520 --> 00:45:49.680
competitive with stuff like GeForce experience stuff like AMD's

00:45:47.760 --> 00:45:53.440
implementation of stereoscopic 3D and we can talk all day about whether stereoscopic 3D matters or not and I

00:45:52.440 --> 00:45:58.280
think we're going to all come to the same conclusion that no one cares um but

00:45:56.240 --> 00:46:02.359
it wasn't comp comptitive with 3D Vision NVIDIA is great at delivering a great

00:46:00.200 --> 00:46:05.839
experience within their closed ecosystem but then open platforms can sometimes

00:46:04.359 --> 00:46:09.119
have that shining jewel in the dust there can usually there not usually

00:46:07.520 --> 00:46:12.319
there can sometimes be the open platform that is better than proprietary platform

00:46:11.079 --> 00:46:17.960
and if you make something like that it is possible that some big group will step behind it like maybe Splashtop they

00:46:16.440 --> 00:46:22.680
could maybe be the back end so there's a company behind it that could push it forward and it could still make it some

00:46:21.079 --> 00:46:25.839
of AMD stuff that's open platform is still very strong you know it's

00:46:24.200 --> 00:46:31.760
interesting you mentioned Splashtop because um I the I have an iPad and on

00:46:29.640 --> 00:46:38.359
the iPad I have Splashtop and I've experimented with it and on newer iPads

00:46:34.200 --> 00:46:39.680
it is actually disturbingly fast but on

00:46:38.359 --> 00:46:45.400
when I'm on an access point that's only 2.4 GHz it is a completely different

00:46:42.200 --> 00:46:46.920
experience than when it's on 5 GHz yeah

00:46:45.400 --> 00:46:52.040
I mean I think we can sorry go ahead people would have to have the right Hardware implementations all around to

00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:56.000
make it work and if Splashtop made some like very

00:46:53.200 --> 00:46:59.640
optimized uh application sources for running games it could maybe be better

00:46:58.280 --> 00:47:03.200
and they they could have it like in gaming mode or something so it works

00:47:01.359 --> 00:47:06.599
that way better something in the future but like for for an open platform to

00:47:05.440 --> 00:47:11.800
work like that there would be need to be some big backer I mean I think the networking guys have to be licking their

00:47:09.599 --> 00:47:16.880
chops right now yeah because all this technology is going to rely on people to

00:47:14.040 --> 00:47:22.280
finally go and upgrade their Wireless G routers because up until now web

00:47:18.839 --> 00:47:23.839
browsing why you know um there is a

00:47:22.280 --> 00:47:28.480
wireless there is a piece of Wireless technology that I have I have actually been impressed with and it's it's

00:47:26.920 --> 00:47:34.480
mundane but and I think you'll be surprised but it's the Dell Wireless

00:47:31.559 --> 00:47:38.960
dock for their latitudes it's like some sort of high frequency it's like 8 GHz

00:47:36.800 --> 00:47:43.119
or something special and I'm used to you know a good docking solution but it's

00:47:40.440 --> 00:47:46.880
got a range of like 6 feet it literally if it's more than 6 ft away from the

00:47:44.359 --> 00:47:51.400
dock it doesn't work but it can deliver you know the on the docking station I

00:47:48.559 --> 00:47:56.160
I've got three you know 1920 x 1200 uh monitor outputs and USB 3 and all these

00:47:54.680 --> 00:48:02.000
really high-speed peripherals and it sort of freaks me out that I don't have to plug the laptop into anything and

00:48:00.040 --> 00:48:05.920
that's a nice technology that's pretty awesome actually I hav but the range is

00:48:03.920 --> 00:48:09.920
terrible but the range is terrible you know what uh Samsung had something

00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:13.480
similar with their Central Station um I don't think they were using high

00:48:11.440 --> 00:48:17.880
frequency they were using a proprietary USB 3 of some sort I I'm I did a video

00:48:16.640 --> 00:48:23.680
about it a long time ago I can't remember how it worked cuz it was prohibitively expensive but I it it was

00:48:21.319 --> 00:48:27.200
a very very similar concept where the idea was that you just brought your PC

00:48:25.720 --> 00:48:33.160
within range and and then it had a dongle that you had to plug into the PC

00:48:29.800 --> 00:48:34.079
it was USB based because uh whereas Dell

00:48:33.160 --> 00:48:37.520
I guess can just build this functionality into their laptops but

00:48:36.160 --> 00:48:41.480
when you brought it in range you were able able to wirelessly transmit you

00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:47.040
know all the signaling for your peripherals and uh an Ethernet and

00:48:44.520 --> 00:48:50.599
display uh to from the laptop to the display where it would act as as a hub

00:48:48.599 --> 00:48:55.280
that you could plug everything into so this kind of stuff is very very much the

00:48:53.359 --> 00:48:59.280
future I'm excited about Wireless I've hated Wireless for a long time Wireless

00:48:57.240 --> 00:49:03.359
AC even actually addresses a lot of my issues with it have you have you played

00:49:00.520 --> 00:49:09.000
around with AC much yeah at home I've got the um I've got a Cisco commercial

00:49:05.400 --> 00:49:11.160
grade um Wireless AC access point and

00:49:09.000 --> 00:49:15.599
cuz yeah I don't I don't want to fool around wow that's awesome what do one of

00:49:13.200 --> 00:49:18.480
those run you um they're well if you get them retail they're about a th bucks but

00:49:17.160 --> 00:49:23.040
if you know a guy you can get them for about 300 all

00:49:20.240 --> 00:49:27.720
right you've actually peaked my interest with that $300 price point

00:49:25.520 --> 00:49:30.640
yeah yeah yeah well it turns out if you want to paint the neighborhood with the

00:49:29.200 --> 00:49:35.839
signal that's what you need all righty then fascinating okay

00:49:34.200 --> 00:49:40.480
well yeah know what I think that was pretty much it for the topics that we

00:49:37.319 --> 00:49:43.040
had lined up uh I would love for guys

00:49:40.480 --> 00:49:48.119
let let Logan give give Logan a big thank you so uh I think it's Tech

00:49:45.480 --> 00:49:52.480
Syndicate on Twitter for for allowing us to have some of Wendell's time you know

00:49:50.240 --> 00:49:56.319
I know that that you guys are an awesome tag team over there and we've had Logan

00:49:54.680 --> 00:50:00.920
on the show before it's been a total pleasure to have you you've been

00:49:57.720 --> 00:50:02.799
requested so much so I want to you know

00:50:00.920 --> 00:50:05.920
thank you your team collectively both Logan and you for being generous enough

00:50:04.480 --> 00:50:10.880
to lend us some of your time and some of your expertise this has been absolutely

00:50:07.839 --> 00:50:12.559
fantastic oh no problem anytime anytime

00:50:10.880 --> 00:50:16.880
uh it's it's all good I'll I'll let him know that I'm being returned in slightly

00:50:13.920 --> 00:50:21.880
used condition but it's okay we haven't abused you too much here have

00:50:18.799 --> 00:50:23.799
we no no it's all good twitch chat tell

00:50:21.880 --> 00:50:26.960
Wendell he's great okay you know we don't we we don't want to beat him up

00:50:25.240 --> 00:50:29.720
over here yeah everyone says come back come back we can't live without you yeah

00:50:28.400 --> 00:50:34.319
they they love you so thank you very much man remember guys you can watch

00:50:31.920 --> 00:50:39.040
Wendell over on the tech Syndicate YouTube channel which is

00:50:36.200 --> 00:50:42.520
youtube.com/ ra theor with that o being a zero which I've teased him about

00:50:40.839 --> 00:50:46.640
endlessly I was like dude what what were you thinking but now it's too late so

00:50:45.119 --> 00:50:50.520
there you go he's stuck with it so I'll talk to you soon man take care thanks

00:50:49.160 --> 00:50:58.000
all right take care all right so let's move oh our

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to get over to me then I had to use a VPN to even go to the link that was in

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my invite then I had to get Austin Evans

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okay back from when I you worked at NC

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okay cuz I'm going to her wedding okay so I had to get it shipped there and

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that so let one thing before you start going when I was reading off the games

00:54:08.799 --> 00:54:15.640
whenever I read SC I Starcraft my brain

00:54:12.160 --> 00:54:17.079
stops and will not go past St I was even

00:54:15.640 --> 00:54:23.200
thinking it when I typed it I was thinking it when I typed it I was like I'm going to think of star and it's SCB

00:54:21.000 --> 00:54:26.920
so it's like Starcraft yeah and then and then there's then there's Bao and I'm

00:54:25.200 --> 00:54:32.839
like black something else what no okay so yeah

00:54:30.319 --> 00:54:36.680
sorry about that so lost I knew what they were too but I was just reading

00:54:34.480 --> 00:54:41.720
those acronyms my head just completely froze yeah SC2 also Supreme Commander 2

00:54:39.839 --> 00:54:46.760
which I never got because I was always thinking Starcraft yeah man okay anyways

00:54:44.839 --> 00:54:50.200
so yeah so anyway we we're going to have Google Glass so that's a thing that's

00:54:48.280 --> 00:54:54.280
going to be really cool I can't believe my new genen Kindle paper white arrived

00:54:52.119 --> 00:54:57.520
today remember how long ago I ordered that stupid thing a month and I was like

00:54:56.079 --> 00:55:01.520
yeah I want to do an unboxing while it's still

00:54:59.319 --> 00:55:04.640
relevant yeah it was like 6 weeks it's like ridiculous it's like thanks thanks

00:55:03.119 --> 00:55:07.880
for that Amazon they shipped they shipped the cover for it back when I

00:55:06.520 --> 00:55:11.640
order I don't even know where it is anymore I haven't seen it in a long time

00:55:10.119 --> 00:55:16.720
me neither it's probably under a pile of things ridiculous anyway I love Amazon a

00:55:14.359 --> 00:55:22.920
lot but some things I don't love so let's just move on to our next topic

00:55:19.040 --> 00:55:25.880
here which is ah yes more AMD news of

00:55:22.920 --> 00:55:30.240
course AMD has updated the never settle forever progr a super confusing way in a

00:55:28.400 --> 00:55:35.440
super confusing way because back when never settle came out it was like look

00:55:33.039 --> 00:55:40.039
this is great buy all the graphics cards get all the games you love it and we did

00:55:38.400 --> 00:55:45.240
we did boy did we ever love it definitely oh we loved

00:55:41.960 --> 00:55:47.039
it okay so now it is about the most

00:55:45.240 --> 00:55:50.839
confusing chart that I've ever seen in my life which you know I've seen a lot

00:55:49.079 --> 00:55:55.599
of confusing charts in my life oh wait before we keep going we should do a Twitter Blitz after this or something

00:55:53.280 --> 00:55:59.000
yeah okay so guys Twitter Blitz something we did end up having time cuz

00:55:57.240 --> 00:56:01.599
Wendell was an amazing guest and we wanted to talk to him about all the

00:56:00.280 --> 00:56:07.280
things so we didn't end up getting to do a Twitter Blitz with him but let's just

00:56:03.400 --> 00:56:09.640
do like random Q&A hit us all

00:56:07.280 --> 00:56:18.119
right so first of all there's this graphic which is like okay what so

00:56:13.720 --> 00:56:20.720
r9270 and up to R9 290x has Battlefield

00:56:18.119 --> 00:56:27.160
4 with a checkbox maybe maybe which is confusing because AMD is providing codes

00:56:23.680 --> 00:56:29.640
to retailers maybe maybe depending on

00:56:27.160 --> 00:56:36.520
the qu to qualifying retailers and the retailers will at their discretion

00:56:32.280 --> 00:56:40.280
bundle this game with their cards maybe

00:56:36.520 --> 00:56:43.480
maybe while supplies last maybe maybe so

00:56:40.280 --> 00:56:44.920
basically unless you have verified that

00:56:43.480 --> 00:56:51.760
the retailer you're buying from is providing that game with that card

00:56:48.039 --> 00:56:53.480
nothing is guaranteed okay then r7260x

00:56:51.760 --> 00:56:58.079
so the only one out of the new generation cards to be added to never

00:56:55.960 --> 00:57:01.720
settle forever officially even though some retailers have been doing never

00:56:59.480 --> 00:57:05.760
settle Forever on New Gen cards such as NC um which is why I got confused and

00:57:04.640 --> 00:57:10.280
was saying that it was on it because NCIX was shipping them anyway so that

00:57:08.079 --> 00:57:15.319
has been added to the silver never settle forever which means you get two

00:57:12.359 --> 00:57:20.839
games okay so hold on a second it's not over yet folks so I I don't even know

00:57:17.640 --> 00:57:22.640
what this is I'm using the stupid Metro

00:57:20.839 --> 00:57:27.039
uh Internet Explorer so I don't even I don't know what I'm doing right now so

00:57:24.440 --> 00:57:31.280
let's go ahead and open this again oh this is a yeah it looks so Chrome like

00:57:29.680 --> 00:57:36.760
now really annoying yeah I'm I'm I'm not happy okay

00:57:34.720 --> 00:57:42.079
so there okay so there's that so then never settle forever has also been

00:57:39.400 --> 00:57:45.359
altered okay so let's scroll down and let's open up this graph so this is from

00:57:43.760 --> 00:57:49.160
videoc cards.com just so that we make sure we're we're crediting the source

00:57:46.960 --> 00:57:52.240
because I didn't make these graphs mind you I don't think they necessarily made

00:57:50.760 --> 00:57:57.960
all of them either all right so they have added Thief to never settle forever

00:57:55.319 --> 00:58:03.799
but only in the silver and gold tiers I mean talk about tier full not

00:58:00.599 --> 00:58:06.480
the 200 tier or whatever not the bronze

00:58:03.799 --> 00:58:11.079
tier so you can pick in the bronze tier one game out of the list of qualifying

00:58:08.640 --> 00:58:14.520
games which is not BF so BF4 is only on r9200 series not available in never

00:58:13.000 --> 00:58:17.839
settle forever doesn't include Tomb Raider doesn't include Thief okay but

00:58:16.200 --> 00:58:20.760
you can pick one of any of these then in the silver tier you can pick two of any

00:58:19.400 --> 00:58:24.599
of these but not Tomb Raider okay not Tomb Raider not BF4 and then the gold

00:58:22.559 --> 00:58:30.599
tier you can pick three of any of them except not BF4

00:58:26.599 --> 00:58:32.760
so AMD we love you thank you for giving

00:58:30.599 --> 00:58:38.440
us all the games but you're naming conventions and your little weird naming

00:58:35.359 --> 00:58:40.119
schemes and category things is not

00:58:38.440 --> 00:58:45.119
really working out they asked me to

00:58:42.799 --> 00:58:48.280
settle they asked me to settle for one game or two you know what got me too is

00:58:46.559 --> 00:58:51.480
we were talking about like the R9 R7 thing a bunch and how like certain ones

00:58:50.000 --> 00:58:57.000
should probably be moved into categories and stuff why is an r7260x in the same

00:58:54.200 --> 00:59:01.599
category as an r7240 exactly I agree with you 100% what the

00:58:59.640 --> 00:59:04.160
hell I mean we love you AMD the graphics cards are great we just wish you'd call

00:59:02.839 --> 00:59:10.680
them something else and the other thing to is the whole never settle and we're better at game bundles thing um feels a

00:59:08.520 --> 00:59:15.839
little bit Hollow when NVIDIA is doing their holiday promotion which is Beast

00:59:13.400 --> 00:59:20.920
is all hell yeah Assassin's Creed Black Flag uh Splinter Cell Blacklist black

00:59:18.319 --> 00:59:23.680
light Black List Black List and then Batman Arkham Origins on the higher tier

00:59:22.520 --> 00:59:30.880
card so you're getting two to three games so for 290x versus is 780 hold on

00:59:27.559 --> 00:59:32.599
a minute you might get Battlefield 4 or

00:59:30.880 --> 00:59:37.400
you will get these three games that are also compelling and you will get $100

00:59:34.760 --> 00:59:42.280
off of of a shield which is also a compelling experience so it's like now

00:59:40.200 --> 00:59:46.520
we're settling but then mantle but then mantle 20 to 50% more performance

00:59:44.680 --> 00:59:50.720
potentially then maybe mantle on NVIDIA but then power consumption and noise but

00:59:49.160 --> 00:59:54.200
then maybe NVIDIA is going to and then what if you want gsync it's a great time

00:59:52.240 --> 00:59:58.440
to buy a graphics card because it's hard to make a wrong decision because they're

00:59:56.319 --> 01:00:02.440
just all gonna be awesome yeah pretty much all right so this is this is

01:00:00.960 --> 01:00:07.280
something that's actually GNA be a bit of a quick topic here but speaking of

01:00:05.000 --> 01:00:10.760
Microsoft um we actually talked about their stupid publicity stunt where they

01:00:08.760 --> 01:00:16.440
put a giant Xbox One in a parking lot in Vancouver here's another one oh my a you

01:00:13.640 --> 01:00:21.640
piece of garbage okay so um they're putting an Xbox One in New Zealand so so

01:00:18.760 --> 01:00:24.880
so whoever whoever gets this Xbox One the lucky winner will get to be I'm just

01:00:23.599 --> 01:00:30.559
going to turn the volume off because I have no idea how loud it is I'm I'm

01:00:27.000 --> 01:00:34.079
sorry in advance how is this not working

01:00:30.559 --> 01:00:37.079
how is it not working there you go

01:00:34.079 --> 01:00:38.680
anyway find the Sharks cuz I want sharks

01:00:37.079 --> 01:00:42.799
with freaking laser beams attached to their heads how complicated is this so

01:00:41.200 --> 01:00:47.000
the first person in the world to get an Xbox one will be someone in New Zealand

01:00:45.200 --> 01:00:50.240
who wins this one that they're actually putting into a shark tank that has

01:00:48.599 --> 01:00:55.640
something like 20 sharks in it so it's like not a trivial number of sharks um I

01:00:54.400 --> 01:01:01.240
think that's really all there is to say about it yeah it's even than the Press

01:00:58.680 --> 01:01:05.839
who have them yeah even well yeah even in the video they're like oh well we

01:01:03.160 --> 01:01:09.200
don't know who's going to go get it I'm assuming it's going to be the

01:01:07.799 --> 01:01:14.319
same divers that went down to put it in but it was just kind of funny yeah I mean it's it'd be you know what a

01:01:12.440 --> 01:01:18.319
liability problem that would be if someone actually like went in there and

01:01:15.720 --> 01:01:21.760
tried to get it and died that' be pretty epic and if there was anywhere where

01:01:19.559 --> 01:01:26.440
that would happen it would be down under no I'm I mean I think I think

01:01:24.839 --> 01:01:31.400
Australians and New Zealand ERS would be the first to admit that I know but just

01:01:29.079 --> 01:01:36.280
last week attacking the sheep and then now calling them crazy well I love those

01:01:33.760 --> 01:01:39.680
guys I okay think about it this way you guys the time slot that we have for the

01:01:37.799 --> 01:01:43.160
W show have we not demonstrated we love you I think Australia and New Zealand

01:01:41.599 --> 01:01:48.880
actually have the best time slot for the wi show our own time Z on time on our

01:01:47.000 --> 01:01:52.960
own time zone gets the B it's terrible because it's like starts at 4:30 when

01:01:51.160 --> 01:01:57.839
everyone's still at work yeah I know right it's like uh Timmy Timmy tech TV

01:01:55.160 --> 01:02:03.720
was like hey lonus I uh can never watch your show anymore it's like I thought we

01:02:00.079 --> 01:02:05.440
were friends B just like sorry dude all

01:02:03.720 --> 01:02:10.680
right uh so this last topic before the Twitter Blitz what is it doing I don't

01:02:08.359 --> 01:02:14.359
know look at what I'm doing I like touch here and I try to scroll just like

01:02:12.319 --> 01:02:18.200
changed are you are you swiping left maybe if it

01:02:15.520 --> 01:02:22.440
goes no no no I thought that might have been a thing unbelievable okay so

01:02:20.000 --> 01:02:26.960
Samsung and Intel find 36 more companies to back selected all of this by swiping

01:02:25.920 --> 01:02:32.839
left and for there well that's ridiculous uh left and right there oh I hate it all right so Samsung and Intel

01:02:30.599 --> 01:02:36.880
finds 36 more companies to back Tien their Android

01:02:34.240 --> 01:02:41.640
competitor so it's an open- based Linux based open- based open source Linux I'm

01:02:39.880 --> 01:02:45.599
I you know what I should just leave open source Linux based operating system it's

01:02:43.839 --> 01:02:51.319
got some interesting backers so the new companies backing it include eBay Konami

01:02:48.799 --> 01:02:56.400
macafe Panasonic and The Weather Channel so if I've ever seen a rag tag group of

01:02:53.400 --> 01:02:58.599
companies to band together and supp

01:02:56.400 --> 01:03:03.039
something that yeah is confusing which is like Intel again because maffy is

01:03:00.640 --> 01:03:06.640
owned by Intel um okay so the cool some of the cool

01:03:05.200 --> 01:03:11.599
things about it it'll allow developers to work in CSS HTML 5 and JavaScript

01:03:09.920 --> 01:03:16.160
which is interesting but is that a security issue kind of weird yeah yeah

01:03:14.200 --> 01:03:20.880
it's like kind of random and seems to open up a lot open up more doors than it

01:03:18.240 --> 01:03:24.599
closes so to speak uh performance has been shown off before and if I had my

01:03:22.920 --> 01:03:29.960
other laptop I would play this YouTube video for you but they just they like

01:03:27.559 --> 01:03:33.279
look at a gallery which uses all the most useless possible things like

01:03:31.359 --> 01:03:38.440
putting pictures on a cube and then they call someone okay yes and I know it's like

01:03:36.520 --> 01:03:41.880
how do you show it off but like dude it's on crappy Hardware though so so

01:03:40.359 --> 01:03:46.440
Samsung showed it off on something like a Galaxy S2 and they were doing some

01:03:44.680 --> 01:03:50.319
cool I mean the cool thing about it was that it was an HTML 5 based app as

01:03:48.760 --> 01:03:56.440
opposed to being I think they both were I think even the calling was so so

01:03:52.640 --> 01:04:00.440
that's really neat um is this going to

01:03:56.440 --> 01:04:00.440
topple the mighty Google Empire

01:04:00.480 --> 01:04:05.880
no one thing that I noticed was with the companies that backed it sorry to cut

01:04:04.480 --> 01:04:08.960
you off there no I I wasn't talking anymore I just said no yeah that was it

01:04:07.599 --> 01:04:12.920
I was done one thing I noticed about the companies that are backing it are

01:04:10.640 --> 01:04:17.279
they're all companies that Google is basically trying to just circumvent and

01:04:15.319 --> 01:04:21.520
being like nope this is our own thing like The Weather Channel Google's kind

01:04:19.119 --> 01:04:25.559
of doing their own thing maffy they're kind of starting to bundle their own

01:04:22.920 --> 01:04:28.720
thing like it's it's all it's all stuff that that they're Google is trying to

01:04:27.119 --> 01:04:32.279
get rid of so they're all like oh maybe we should back this thing over here it

01:04:30.559 --> 01:04:36.839
is kind of like but it isn't going to work I'm a lot more interested in

01:04:34.400 --> 01:04:40.240
something like Ubuntu phone I actually you know what I actually just cleared

01:04:38.319 --> 01:04:44.599
this with uh with Brandon and I'm going to borrow his Galaxy Nexus because that

01:04:42.640 --> 01:04:48.039
happens to be one of the two phones no no I'm going to I'm going to finish last

01:04:46.119 --> 01:04:51.839
one yeah his old yeah his Galaxy Nexus so I'm going to finish my Nexus 5 review

01:04:50.279 --> 01:04:57.559
and then as long as nothing else arrives I'm going to man guys xeria Z1 and Nexus

01:04:55.279 --> 01:05:00.279
5 are really making me miss my HTC1 I can't wait to get it back I'm actually

01:04:58.839 --> 01:05:03.599
going to throw Cyanogen mod on it hopefully as long as I can get

01:05:02.119 --> 01:05:08.559
everything sufficiently unlocked cuz I don't have a play story Edition one oh

01:05:06.400 --> 01:05:14.359
so but I have a I have an early developer one my my original one oh so

01:05:12.000 --> 01:05:17.599
that might be compat I don't know anyway so I'm going to ask Brandon to let me

01:05:16.279 --> 01:05:21.960
borrow his Galaxy Nexus and I'm going to try a bun phone I I'll do like a 30-day

01:05:20.520 --> 01:05:25.160
look I'll I'll give this a shot you have to remember that it's going to be slow

01:05:24.039 --> 01:05:29.920
and the battery life's not going to be that good it's not going to be's fault I know but I'm I just want to try it I

01:05:28.520 --> 01:05:33.799
want to be like okay well look what if I want to play Pac-Man can I you those

01:05:32.119 --> 01:05:38.760
kinds of things if I want to check the weather can I so I find that very

01:05:35.640 --> 01:05:41.200
exciting u i mean Ubuntu has the the

01:05:38.760 --> 01:05:46.160
resources and they have the track record of delivering free operating systems for

01:05:43.799 --> 01:05:49.920
Better or For Worse and getting support and and building and the improvements

01:05:48.119 --> 01:05:54.960
that they've been doing and like the cons like Mass consumer usability of

01:05:52.440 --> 01:06:00.680
Linux that Ubuntu has been spearheading for a while is been really they claim to

01:05:57.319 --> 01:06:02.760
be the OS on 10% of new PCS shipping

01:06:00.680 --> 01:06:07.279
today that's unbelievable well it's not North America but but overall I don't

01:06:04.680 --> 01:06:10.000
care North America whatever like I'm just I'm just saying that that's why

01:06:08.640 --> 01:06:15.400
it's probably so unbelievable yeah that's extremely exciting that's extremely exciting yeah so let's go

01:06:13.559 --> 01:06:19.279
ahead and head over to the uh the Twitter boards um someone says get mubot

01:06:17.720 --> 01:06:22.920
or any bot in chat we had muot it was a big problem it's it's a really big

01:06:21.480 --> 01:06:26.119
problem yeah about the smart fridge how about implementing RFID tags on products

01:06:24.920 --> 01:06:31.680
which will hold data expired dat in ingredients absolutely that would be

01:06:28.440 --> 01:06:33.640
amazing huge deal or even like if you

01:06:31.680 --> 01:06:38.119
okay think about this if you could like grab apples or something and instead of

01:06:36.279 --> 01:06:42.680
the traditional twist tie you can bring your own thing of RFID twist ties you

01:06:41.559 --> 01:06:46.119
tie it up and they have a little programmer there or you use your phone

01:06:44.680 --> 01:06:50.279
or something and you just go buying apples today Boop yeah and like anything

01:06:49.079 --> 01:06:54.559
that's like that you could do with your phone or your own little twist Tire or whatever you just brought up and then

01:06:53.119 --> 01:06:59.240
like milk it could just be programmed into the barcode on the milk like it's

01:06:57.240 --> 01:07:02.680
and then and then with coupled with the Amazon thing the day your milk expires

01:07:01.359 --> 01:07:05.760
some dude could show up with milk and be like yep throw your old milk away here's

01:07:04.359 --> 01:07:11.839
new milk wouldn't that be amazing awesome um zodiac soulmate says ASUS

01:07:08.400 --> 01:07:12.960
just te teased the Mars 760 yeah um

01:07:11.839 --> 01:07:17.400
could it be something about NVIDIA's Kepler licens other manufacturers no no I don't think so I think it's just one

01:07:16.079 --> 01:07:23.880
of those things where these dual GPU cards don't sell particularly well and the engineering that goes into them is

01:07:21.359 --> 01:07:29.039
unbelievable the cost of it like ASUS loses money on every Mar card 100% trust

01:07:27.119 --> 01:07:32.799
me they do wouldn't be surprised at all they do I mean the amount of money that

01:07:30.400 --> 01:07:36.680
it took to even build the stupid heat sink on Aries too the amount of

01:07:34.760 --> 01:07:41.760
revisions they did to even tool that thing like they lost money it totally

01:07:38.319 --> 01:07:43.599
money losing proposition Mar 760 um is a

01:07:41.760 --> 01:07:47.760
similar so that's why no one does it we actually have one coming cool yeah it's

01:07:45.920 --> 01:07:50.720
interesting I I looked at it it's interesting have you seen like the

01:07:49.039 --> 01:07:58.160
concept photos for the no I haven't even seen it no not not for this for uh it's

01:07:54.599 --> 01:08:00.440
fake I'm oh we for Black coming too oh

01:07:58.160 --> 01:08:06.359
cool that's actually pretty cool um but yeah someone someone leaked concept

01:08:02.760 --> 01:08:09.039
photos for a dual 290x GPU card oh yeah

01:08:06.359 --> 01:08:13.960
and they just like added a fan to $79.90 and it's like super

01:08:11.440 --> 01:08:17.600
long I was like there's no way there's like one case that that canit that card

01:08:15.760 --> 01:08:24.159
would have to be liquid cool like dual rad liquid cool yeah they have four fans

01:08:19.920 --> 01:08:27.199
on it like okay just upgraded to a 477k

01:08:24.159 --> 01:08:28.960
from a Pentium 4 good work Andrew enjoy

01:08:27.199 --> 01:08:33.600
that do you think that smartphones would become the new laptop um if Wireless

01:08:32.040 --> 01:08:37.560
standards like what Wendell's talking about with docking stations become a

01:08:35.239 --> 01:08:41.839
thing and something like Ubuntu phone maybe yeah because with Ubuntu

01:08:40.359 --> 01:08:46.159
phone you dock and it turns into a full OS and if we can have steam running on

01:08:43.799 --> 01:08:50.120
it all of a sudden we can game on it and more like a desktop experience I think

01:08:47.880 --> 01:08:53.799
the future is very exciting yeah uh what do you think about famous YouTubers like

01:08:51.719 --> 01:08:56.839
total biscuit disabling YouTube comments I think that it's great that they're

01:08:55.040 --> 01:09:02.120
trying to send a message to Google and YouTube I think that Google and YouTube

01:08:59.640 --> 01:09:05.600
probably have some idea that it's a problem at this point um one thing

01:09:04.040 --> 01:09:09.480
that's interesting is unbox therapy somehow has the old comment system on

01:09:07.159 --> 01:09:12.960
his channel and he has a Facebook post the only YouTube channel that still has

01:09:11.520 --> 01:09:17.159
the old comment system I don't know how he did it but uh awesome I suspect he

01:09:14.920 --> 01:09:21.239
won't even tell me because he just like trade secret or something or maybe he

01:09:18.480 --> 01:09:24.239
just like luckily didn't get bumped I don't even know what it is but anyway um

01:09:23.199 --> 01:09:29.600
I think it's important that they're sending a message and that's cool I think YouTube and Google know and

01:09:27.520 --> 01:09:34.359
they'll do something um and for me personally I don't see the difference

01:09:31.520 --> 01:09:39.120
between disabled comments and spam comments that we can just all not look

01:09:35.920 --> 01:09:40.159
at i h i hate the new comment system but

01:09:39.120 --> 01:09:46.920
the main reason why I hate the new comment system is when you see the top dude it's like 300 comments on his post

01:09:44.520 --> 01:09:52.920
they can fix it so easily though there's things that they can do and it can be

01:09:50.000 --> 01:09:57.239
better so let's just let's just give them a chance um and I'm not going to

01:09:55.400 --> 01:09:59.520
hurt my own search rankings to send a message to Google and YouTube that they

01:09:58.640 --> 01:10:02.880
already know not going to change anything like people so someone said uh

01:10:01.679 --> 01:10:06.239
you should disable it let people talk about on the Forum okay go talk about on

01:10:04.880 --> 01:10:11.920
the Forum I would love for you to go talk on the Forum but the reality of it is is that

01:10:09.679 --> 01:10:16.159
YouTube comments are and I believe always will be lowest common denominator

01:10:14.199 --> 01:10:19.280
people who aren't willing to go and talk about it on the Forum you can have a way

01:10:17.600 --> 01:10:23.760
more intelligent conversation about any of the videos we make on our Forum 100%

01:10:21.920 --> 01:10:27.120
okay and and if you post if there's a problem with the video like in a very

01:10:25.600 --> 01:10:30.840
video if you post something like that on the Forum like I reply to those all the

01:10:29.040 --> 01:10:34.600
time there's a reply under that one saying like oh this is what's wrong this

01:10:32.840 --> 01:10:38.239
is what the change should be no one saw it no one liked it the Forum is the way

01:10:36.480 --> 01:10:42.000
to interact to with us people send me YouTube private messages I'm like what

01:10:39.840 --> 01:10:45.159
what are you high I get hundreds of them I can't look at all these whereas when I

01:10:43.520 --> 01:10:50.719
get private messages on the Forum I try to respond to them if there's something to be responded to if it's just like

01:10:48.640 --> 01:10:54.520
YOLO swag 420 Linus I think you're awesome I'll be like yeah okay cool user

01:10:52.199 --> 01:10:59.080
on the Forum yellow yellow swag 420 smoke it I think every single time I see

01:10:56.440 --> 01:11:02.719
him post on anything I'm just like oh my brain uh should I expect some sweet

01:11:01.239 --> 01:11:06.239
deals on new genen cards around Christmas this year I would stay tuned

01:11:04.239 --> 01:11:09.080
for Black Friday that's where you'll actually get thewe I'm excited I've

01:11:07.719 --> 01:11:13.480
heard tons of rumors I don't know if you've heard about this Note 3 on Black

01:11:10.880 --> 01:11:18.000
Friday is supposed to like be super cheap huh that's cool like actually

01:11:15.800 --> 01:11:22.120
sensibly purchasable cheap which heat sink should I get with a node 605 um

01:11:20.159 --> 01:11:26.560
Noctua has a really nice low profile one that we will be unboxing soon and then

01:11:23.800 --> 01:11:30.159
installing in edel's video editing rig I forget what it's called though L

01:11:27.840 --> 01:11:35.159
something basically find the noct a low profile one all this this is my answer

01:11:32.280 --> 01:11:40.920
what cooler should I get find the Noctua one that fits Noctua did not pay me to

01:11:38.080 --> 01:11:45.040
say this although I uh no I'm not going to talk about lonus what do you think of

01:11:42.840 --> 01:11:47.600
the PS4 red line of death I think that the the rumors of its death have been

01:11:46.600 --> 01:11:52.400
greatly exaggerated the the number that's being

01:11:49.800 --> 01:11:58.080
thrown around right now is 4% which is within not a h deal any information on

01:11:55.960 --> 01:12:02.199
lonus Edition Corsair fans I have no plans for Corsair fans lonus Edition

01:12:00.280 --> 01:12:07.920
fans would you rather eat a piece of your old garlic bread or rub Sriracha on

01:12:05.320 --> 01:12:11.639
your face and kiss lick I've probably eaten year old garlic bread before so

01:12:09.800 --> 01:12:17.000
I'm going to go with that hook up the graphics card cooling

01:12:14.040 --> 01:12:20.679
Loop to an AC during winter equals winning um you know what I actually

01:12:18.920 --> 01:12:25.560
brought the chiller the other day it's here now you know do you know anyone who

01:12:22.960 --> 01:12:29.440
can do metal fabrication yes let's get it done it won't be cheap all that's

01:12:27.920 --> 01:12:33.480
fine let's get it done let's make an enclosure so that we can I know someone

01:12:30.920 --> 01:12:37.560
who can make custom cases for us entire computer cases okay let's get a case for

01:12:35.600 --> 01:12:42.800
the chiller the challenge I had before was that I needed appropriate insulation

01:12:39.880 --> 01:12:46.199
on the tank for the cold side that was the issue I had before but if we could

01:12:44.560 --> 01:12:49.480
make a case for it it would be heavy we could put it on Wheels though but we

01:12:47.800 --> 01:12:52.639
need to get it self-contained cuz that's the only reason I don't use it they can

01:12:50.920 --> 01:12:56.880
cat it for us and everything okay let's do it it won't be cheap okay are we

01:12:54.920 --> 01:13:02.320
talking $10,000 not cheap or are we talking $1,000 not cheap probably like

01:12:59.320 --> 01:13:04.320
the lower one okay I have no idea though

01:13:02.320 --> 01:13:07.239
um hook okay have you heard the alarm clock that tells you how long you've got

01:13:05.760 --> 01:13:13.080
left to live no that's awesome Squarespace win a

01:13:10.320 --> 01:13:16.080
website event # o crap yeah I know what are your thoughts of the wallet

01:13:14.280 --> 01:13:21.360
replacement coin card haven't actually seen that

01:13:19.120 --> 01:13:25.679
interesting I'm from New Zealand I bet they hid the Xbox in Auckland it's it's

01:13:23.920 --> 01:13:31.800
in a it's in the yeah it's not not hidden all right so back to the show uh

01:13:29.400 --> 01:13:36.520
the humble store is up this is pretty cool um this is both cool and it seems

01:13:34.440 --> 01:13:40.520
like sort of a step in a direction that that I don't want them to go yeah oh

01:13:38.440 --> 01:13:47.760
yeah like what the devil is this exactly um fixed percentage of sales sharing at

01:13:43.639 --> 01:13:51.360
10 which is like so this is what just

01:13:47.760 --> 01:13:53.520
happened what is this thing

01:13:51.360 --> 01:13:59.080
doing it's taking inputs and it's not putting them to the right place well it

01:13:55.880 --> 01:14:02.000
should stop that

01:13:59.080 --> 01:14:06.719
like okay why don't you just use a real browser why am I in that browser Now

01:14:04.719 --> 01:14:11.000
where's the other one I hate this I saw you just open that one I hate my life

01:14:08.880 --> 01:14:16.800
well I don't hate my life I just hate this just use a you've got look real

01:14:13.920 --> 01:14:20.199
browser I know but I have it open here and I'm logged in okay there we go I

01:14:18.800 --> 01:14:25.199
don't even know what I did well you dragged down from the top back to Humble Bundle I'm trying to click on the okay

01:14:23.320 --> 01:14:31.080
so the original Humble Bundle concept okay indie games um we want to support

01:14:27.679 --> 01:14:33.320
Indie developers you choose a charitable

01:14:31.080 --> 01:14:35.760
donation money to give to the Indie Game Dev or money to give to the Humble

01:14:34.679 --> 01:14:41.320
Bundle organization that was the original concept okay then we got the

01:14:38.080 --> 01:14:43.040
humble weekly sale which is whatever it

01:14:41.320 --> 01:14:47.440
is it's basically an excuse to run two bundles at the same time as far as I can

01:14:44.600 --> 01:14:52.480
tell and then the humble store which is not bundles it is games that you buy and

01:14:50.520 --> 01:14:56.600
instead of choosing where the money goes now it is 10% of the proceeds go to

01:14:54.320 --> 01:15:02.040
charity period period have we have we lost our way a little bit here uh one

01:14:59.159 --> 01:15:06.440
thing about this is we never see big AAA new titles on the Humble Bundle okay and

01:15:04.880 --> 01:15:11.280
this has Splinter Cell Blacklist Red fashion collection far C

01:15:09.080 --> 01:15:16.080
Cry 3 blood Dragon for like 10 bucks just like $5 off which is like it's a

01:15:14.080 --> 01:15:19.280
deal but it's not that compelling and why am I giving you 10% for this I mean

01:15:17.880 --> 01:15:23.400
basically they're just leveraging the traffic that they got by being good guys

01:15:21.400 --> 01:15:26.719
and becoming a steam competitor they're still being good guys cuz there's 10%

01:15:25.600 --> 01:15:31.239
going and I and I think it would probably be harder to get developers to

01:15:28.760 --> 01:15:33.880
jump on the store idea so that's probably where it has to go they

01:15:32.679 --> 01:15:39.199
probably have to have slightly bigger margins because they're probably have the people in the store taking more they

01:15:37.239 --> 01:15:43.920
can probably promise the developer higher margin this way as well whereas

01:15:41.520 --> 01:15:48.520
Humble Bundle is just like okay freefor all but Humble Bundle has traditionally

01:15:45.920 --> 01:15:54.520
been either indie or if it's AAA it's old like my understanding is that EA had

01:15:51.280 --> 01:15:56.560
a lot of the contributions not go to EA

01:15:54.520 --> 01:16:01.040
as compared other humble bundles this is I'm not going to say who I heard this

01:15:57.840 --> 01:16:03.080
from but I heard it so people were less

01:16:01.040 --> 01:16:06.040
inclined to give someone like EA money that was in the EA bundle the only

01:16:04.560 --> 01:16:09.960
really compelling thing was Battlefield 3 and they were replacing it in like a

01:16:08.000 --> 01:16:12.880
month or two but that's not and they basically gave it away for free now

01:16:11.280 --> 01:16:17.560
that's not even the point necessarily I mean the point is that people were

01:16:15.719 --> 01:16:21.520
willing to pay money for the game they just weren't willing to give it to EA

01:16:19.520 --> 01:16:25.440
whereas if EA sells games through humble store then at least they're guaranteed

01:16:23.000 --> 01:16:29.800
some kind of a cut yeah so I understand the business here it just seems like um

01:16:28.520 --> 01:16:35.520
it just see it just seems like they aren't what they used to be so let's just be aware of that which doesn't make

01:16:33.199 --> 01:16:39.280
humble bundles not a great deal it just makes them not what they used to be

01:16:36.920 --> 01:16:44.120
that's all we have 5,000 live viewers right now guys thank you for watching

01:16:42.280 --> 01:16:48.000
that is amazing you guys are awesome that is all all right uh

01:16:48.040 --> 01:16:56.520
let's I want my laptop back I don't know why my DisplayPort output isn't working

01:16:55.159 --> 01:17:02.040
okay anyways do you want to go on another Ranch you talking about

01:16:58.760 --> 01:17:03.760
kiat no no no no you know what actually

01:17:02.040 --> 01:17:07.520
my problems with Nexus 5 so far have nothing to do with Kit Kat oh I like

01:17:05.760 --> 01:17:10.920
kitat okay no actually all the things I'm going to [ __ ] about are more to do

01:17:08.800 --> 01:17:14.000
with other stuff oh um so I have a review coming at the Nexus 5 for those

01:17:12.400 --> 01:17:19.040
of you who don't follow me on Instagram which I think is most of you um KitKat

01:17:16.280 --> 01:17:24.360
Android 4.4 has a feature that will allow rooting to basically be disabled

01:17:22.120 --> 01:17:28.639
which we've heard before rooting this is rooting going away reading but it may

01:17:26.960 --> 01:17:31.280
actually be true this time I wanted to talk with Wendell about this shoot I

01:17:30.120 --> 01:17:36.480
meant to move this up to our guest segment yeah cuz he had some really interesting input I have read already

01:17:34.280 --> 01:17:43.360
that the Nexus 5 is already rooted right but this article so the article on PC

01:17:40.679 --> 01:17:47.679
pcmag.com okay no I don't want to sign up for your offers go away all right so

01:17:45.679 --> 01:17:52.239
there's a picture of an Android made of Kit Kat bars I need food I am so hungry

01:17:50.719 --> 01:17:58.239
like my blood sugar is low and I shouldn't even be on the air right now

01:17:55.000 --> 01:18:02.800
so what has been built into Android 4.4

01:17:58.239 --> 01:18:05.080
KitKat essentially is the ability for a

01:18:02.800 --> 01:18:09.760
handset maker to block rooting now there are security implications here there are

01:18:07.360 --> 01:18:13.560
reasons why you wouldn't want root access to be available to just about

01:18:11.239 --> 01:18:17.760
anyone because rooting has become so easy that it's not even just for power

01:18:16.040 --> 01:18:21.360
users anymore that really understand the implications of the like I'm not a power

01:18:19.800 --> 01:18:26.880
user when it comes to phones and when it comes to digital security not really I

01:18:23.679 --> 01:18:28.320
actually rely on on him in a big way to

01:18:26.880 --> 01:18:32.520
support me and help me with these kinds of things because I know some I know

01:18:30.360 --> 01:18:36.639
just enough to be dangerous and that is exactly what phone rooting can be it can

01:18:34.800 --> 01:18:40.120
be just people who know just enough to be dangerous but don't know enough to

01:18:38.400 --> 01:18:43.320
know how to protect themselves and I'm not saying rooting should be taken away

01:18:41.800 --> 01:18:47.920
from the power users I'm just saying that it's a can of worms so what they're

01:18:45.679 --> 01:18:52.639
going to allow is someone like Samsung who has been locking down functionality

01:18:49.880 --> 01:18:55.480
on their phones left and right to basically go look this phone is not

01:18:54.000 --> 01:19:00.960
rootable okay now Google has not opted to make

01:18:59.000 --> 01:19:05.040
the Nexus 5 unrootable in fact there was a route for it before it was released

01:19:02.440 --> 01:19:07.679
and it's apparently phenomenally easy so I think they're doing a couple of things

01:19:06.360 --> 01:19:12.120
here so number one is they're positioning Nexus devices as the clear

01:19:09.800 --> 01:19:15.199
power user choice because I think they know that whatever they think about it

01:19:14.080 --> 01:19:21.800
there's going to be certain handset makers that are going to want to lock this down number two is they are

01:19:19.360 --> 01:19:27.880
allowing Android to be potentially more secure on platforms where handset makers

01:19:25.840 --> 01:19:34.000
feel like they can get away with it and so Samsung so like Samsung I think this

01:19:30.840 --> 01:19:36.159
is interesting for senen mod because

01:19:34.000 --> 01:19:39.880
they just tried to be like oh hey everyone we're going to make that way

01:19:37.400 --> 01:19:42.560
easier Implement implementation we're going to make one click a thing we're

01:19:41.520 --> 01:19:46.400
going to make all this other kind of stuff and then now Google's like L

01:19:45.320 --> 01:19:51.000
here's this thing although they're not putting on Nexus devices which is kind of cool I'm still to try it I'm becoming

01:19:49.639 --> 01:19:56.960
more and more of a phone guy all the time so this is my first experience with

01:19:53.199 --> 01:19:59.840
vanilla Android Android experience um

01:19:56.960 --> 01:20:03.400
I'm going to be trying out uh ubu phone at some point I'm going to try out

01:20:01.080 --> 01:20:07.480
Cyanogen MOD as soon as I get my HTC1 back um but I'm I'm excited I'm I'm like

01:20:06.360 --> 01:20:14.600
I'm getting to the point where I can make observations about phones that aren't just stupid are you leaving how

01:20:11.520 --> 01:20:17.320
are we getting all the gear there on

01:20:14.600 --> 01:20:23.639
Monday okay we'll figure it out we have a shoot on Monday so um I

01:20:20.840 --> 01:20:26.639
don't I will be benchmarking games our next topic is

01:20:26.920 --> 01:20:30.840
is AMD to

01:20:32.199 --> 01:20:35.199
bring

01:20:35.800 --> 01:20:41.400
wow just oh so this was posted on the

01:20:38.880 --> 01:20:46.800
Forum by top war gamer and the original articles from polygon.com so AMD to

01:20:44.159 --> 01:20:52.000
release tress effects 2.0 animates grass and

01:20:47.880 --> 01:20:55.600
fur so now we can have loft's hair and

01:20:52.000 --> 01:20:57.840
grass animated by Tres effects wow you

01:20:55.600 --> 01:21:05.159
just made that joke well I kind of had to wow all right so trust FX um oh

01:21:02.880 --> 01:21:09.960
God I mean there's good things about it so it's supported on both AMD and NVIDIA

01:21:07.360 --> 01:21:13.719
so that's a thing it's phenomenally performance intensive uh I mean on

01:21:12.199 --> 01:21:19.280
lowend cards what kind of performance Deltas were you seeing it almost halfed

01:21:15.239 --> 01:21:21.480
it like not quite but like close on

01:21:19.280 --> 01:21:25.560
something like a 260x on the on the r7240 video you'll notice that it's it's

01:21:23.880 --> 01:21:30.159
pretty high setting but with TR effects off so that's a real barrier um I mean

01:21:27.840 --> 01:21:33.560
mantle may may alleviate these issues somewhat and improve the performance of

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it it's like I thanked everyone for being here and that we had 5,000 viewers

01:21:35.120 --> 01:21:41.960
and it went like all the way down to like 4700 for a bit there it's like yeah

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well you know whatever L us screw you man well actually I think it's just that

01:21:43.400 --> 01:21:49.760
the stream started late so people are and we're currently at yeah we're near

01:21:47.560 --> 01:21:53.120
5,000 I'm using the xsplit number which isn't always uh which isn't always up to

01:21:51.360 --> 01:21:56.840
date sometimes it's zero I mean the other problem that I have with tres so

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besides the performance hit maybe mantle can alleviate this but it probably won't

01:21:58.239 --> 01:22:02.440
on NVIDIA because even though effects works on NVIDIA blah blah blah they

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won't have mantle unless they Implement mantle so it's all up in the air right now is that the game list is a little

01:22:06.719 --> 01:22:12.400
bit ghost town I mean I criticize physx

01:22:10.120 --> 01:22:16.639
I do I I have criticized physx many times in the past not because it isn't

01:22:13.960 --> 01:22:21.480
great technology it is it's cool it could have ushered in a new era of

01:22:19.360 --> 01:22:26.800
gameplay if it hadn't been tied first to a proprietary PCI addin card and then to

01:22:24.760 --> 01:22:31.639
one GPU maker but I'm going to criticize trust effects for the same thing right

01:22:28.280 --> 01:22:34.920
now the the the game list is is Tomb

01:22:31.639 --> 01:22:36.600
Raider but and Tomb Raider yeah and I

01:22:34.920 --> 01:22:40.719
don't even mean Tomb Raider and the old Tomb Raider I mean Tomb Raider 2013

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edition and Tomb Raider 2013 edition that's the problem I I will be so I will

01:22:43.880 --> 01:22:49.760
I will pray to the gods of gaming if

01:22:47.520 --> 01:22:57.360
freaking Elder Scroll 6 comes with tress effects 2.0 because grass and fur

01:22:55.199 --> 01:23:01.360
random in an Elder Scrolls game Tres effect style would be amazing mods can

01:22:59.639 --> 01:23:06.719
already make it really cool but adding Tres effects to that and then allowing

01:23:02.840 --> 01:23:08.199
people to mod it like holy crap imagine

01:23:06.719 --> 01:23:13.040
imagine the grass mods that some people have been doing to Skyrim but with trust

01:23:10.400 --> 01:23:18.000
effects that would kill any system you have for

01:23:14.520 --> 01:23:20.360
one but for two would look amazing

01:23:18.000 --> 01:23:23.320
likeus what's cool about mantle too though is we could be looking at a

01:23:21.880 --> 01:23:26.760
completely different way of interacting with multi-GPU system

01:23:25.000 --> 01:23:30.840
so you could kind of go yeah no this is my tressfx card and this is my this and

01:23:29.360 --> 01:23:34.520
this is my that and you throw like three different gpus in your system and I mean

01:23:32.639 --> 01:23:37.800
we're talking later on down the future but we're just talking about the way

01:23:35.719 --> 01:23:42.400
that AMD is approaching allowing game developers to spread out resources and

01:23:40.639 --> 01:23:45.840
leverage them the way that they want to oh it's an exciting world we haven't

01:23:43.760 --> 01:23:48.880
even talked enough about cavar we're going to have to talk about it next week

01:23:47.040 --> 01:23:53.080
I mean heterogeneous system architecture is going to be such a big deal allowing

01:23:50.960 --> 01:23:56.880
the CPU and the GPU to access the memory resources they need and share

01:23:55.400 --> 01:24:02.560
one thing that I'm super sorry to cut off a little bit one thing I'm super stoked with AMD about lately is how they

01:24:00.440 --> 01:24:09.239
developed this awesome thing yeah like effect and like HSA and just go like

01:24:05.960 --> 01:24:10.679
yeah sure open with HSA someone else

01:24:09.239 --> 01:24:14.840
deal with it we'll just develop it and it's just like I mean is this a return

01:24:12.600 --> 01:24:21.000
to the Athlon 64 days where they said look here's our 64-bit extension and

01:24:18.360 --> 01:24:25.440
Intel go ahead well we'll license it to you obviously Intel but but basically we

01:24:23.520 --> 01:24:29.719
want this to be a standard we worked really hard on this we'd like for people

01:24:27.400 --> 01:24:33.199
to use it I hope they do because it could be

01:24:31.800 --> 01:24:36.920
awesome someone just said in the chat there's already trust effect Style mods

01:24:35.159 --> 01:24:40.199
for Skyrim but one thing that he also brought up which is very important is it

01:24:38.480 --> 01:24:44.639
doesn't support like Collision detection and stuff right which is like a really

01:24:42.040 --> 01:24:48.239
big deal yeah so so you know what I think we have to cut off the show now

01:24:46.480 --> 01:24:52.040
even though we honestly had probably a dozen more topics that we would love to

01:24:49.760 --> 01:24:57.560
talk to you guys about as always you can check out the uh the document in in the

01:24:55.320 --> 01:25:00.480
description of the YouTube archive so if you just wanted to see what we thought

01:24:59.119 --> 01:25:06.960
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peace out guys thanks for watching are you doing an after party I am doing an Afterparty I'll cover Bill logs of the

01:25:53.719 --> 01:25:58.719
week there sorry we didn't have time um

01:25:56.880 --> 01:26:02.600
and I will try and cover some of the other random topics that we didn't cover

01:26:00.280 --> 01:26:09.560
so unofficial Afterparty on the twitch.tv lukor

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lafr channel so um guys I we've noticed

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quite a few people are subscribing to that channel it should be noted that um

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we're going to have some if you want to support awesome what we do here there

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will be some better options where more of the revenue actually goes to us

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it's public dollars twitch takes 50% yeah soon so if you kind of stay tuned

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for that there's going to be like some really good stuff everyone says all

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right screw lineus everyone over to pistol's Channel all right guys why why don't we

01:26:37.960 --> 01:26:45.400
do that whole thing where we stop streaming and then we dump everyone okay everyone go over to pistol's channel so

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pistol is uh is also a member of the tech Syndicate team so it's Logan and

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Wendell Our Guest today everyone go over there and just be like YOLO Lina sent us

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YOLO yeah YOLO well you do only are you

01:26:54.920 --> 01:26:59.719
becoming edel now well I don't know I've

01:26:58.000 --> 01:27:03.960
been I've been working with you guys for a long time I know like I've been

01:27:02.080 --> 01:27:08.520
working with him over a year now isn't that crazy I've been working with you

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over two years like are we

01:27:11.040 --> 01:27:16.000
friends is the name of our company bad

01:27:14.480 --> 01:27:19.360
yeah lus Media Group is a stupid name for a company