The WAN Show: Apple to buy Beats! Surprisingly it was Overpriced :p - May 9th, 2014

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1:13 we've got a great show for you today guys uh towns is abandoned after selling

1:19 200,000 copies and if you don't know what towns is it is a

1:28 game we we can't get give them everything right now I know so that

1:32 that's it we got to hold out on them apple is rumored to be buying Beats

1:36 electronics for 3.2 billion which would

1:39 make it their biggest acquisition to date a marriage made in heaven perhaps

1:45 match made in heaven a marriage of

1:49 devils well I don't personally really have anything against Apple products

1:54 let's wait we'll get giv too much

1:57 information man there's Oculus bird simulator see that's it help show you

2:02 too much information that bowel movement that I

2:06 had before we started the show wow I might have heard that anyways

2:12 uh Amazon patents taking photos against a white background and then intro time

2:16 no you forgot about the Oculus thing I just said that how could you forget

2:19 Oculus I just said that I didn't hear it

2:23 what I said I said what I said Oculus R have bird stimulator if I didn't all the

2:27 information it's not like you have a dash I'm going to give too much

2:30 information that was what that led into that whole thing oh that makes sense

2:35 okay you never set up the intro did you oh yeah I did

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3:27 handles or I lost track of what we were talking about okay so let's move into

3:31 our first topic which is just

3:36 unbelievable so this was originally posted on the Forum by pit

3:40 5,000 and Amazon has allegedly um made

3:46 it so that lonus didn't plug in his notebook before they started the stream

3:50 so he's GNA have to go ahead and just pray to the technology gods that

3:55 this is going to that's not good really terrible not

4:00 sure what happened there why why the why the sound let's try that one more time I

4:06 apologize sincerely to our lovely viewers who did not want to hear that

4:10 HDMI oh the title of the show is wrong

4:15 thank you for that Nick we actually have a new guy Nick who is responsible for

4:20 reminding me of things that are uh that should have been done yes I'm really

4:25 sorry about uh about that noise I

4:28 apologize uh did it update are we good are we it

4:32 was like er I was like okay do it again

4:36 thank you twist you are so awesome I

4:39 love you okay well that's better all right so pit 5000 posts uh this is great

4:47 an article that originally appeared on gizmodo.com about Amazon's revolutionary

4:52 new patent taking photos on a white background now to be clear this isn't

4:59 pure patent troll asshattery yeah it's

5:03 just mostly patent Troll asshattery And

5:07 to be clear patent troll mostly refers

5:10 to when the company uses their patents

5:13 to be aggressive about things and attack people to attack others and really the

5:18 thing the funniest thing about this patent to me is not that Amazon filed

5:22 for it or that it was granted but that no I don't know what

5:29 I'm least surprised that they filed for it CU big companies just file for

5:32 everything just to see if they can make something stick I'm extremely surprised

5:36 it was ever granted and I'm sure they are too but there's some specific

5:41 interesting things they go down into specifics on the level of how much

5:44 wattage the lights use um what ISO your

5:48 camera has to be at what f-stop your camera has to be at here's a diagram

5:51 exact positioning of all the lights and all the cameras like it's insanely

5:56 specific um if you go yeah you can see some it here and if you go to the um the

6:03 the Second Source in the dock you can actually scroll down and then see all

6:07 the crazy specifics that are on there so the Second Source right there yeah so

6:11 here's the actual uh office here I'm

6:14 just going to switch over there so I mean okay I guess the thing that

6:18 surprises me here these are all the crazy spefic yeah so we're in the second

6:23 rear light source is further positioned at a distance above the floor that is about 1.5 to 2.5 times the first

6:28 distance and oriented at a downward relative to the floor and it's like this

6:31 entire thing so you know what no the

6:35 thing that surprises me is that Amazon filed for this yeah as opposed to that

6:41 it was granted because it's specific enough basically the idea is that Amazon

6:47 doesn't want to waste resources and really no one does they don't want to

6:51 waste resources touching things up in post processing we waste a fair bit of

6:56 time around here using a green screen because when you have a green screen if

7:00 the lights aren't exactly the same that time or the actor stands a little bit

7:05 further back or further forward or whatever the case may be you can end up

7:09 with a situation where you have to touch it up and you have to tweak it in order to get it to look right Amazon be able

7:14 to tell because the pixels that's right Amazon's technique requires no touchups

7:21 and that's what they're patenting they're patenting a perfect technique

7:25 for taking photos on a white background so that no touch-ups are required so I

7:30 can kind of see why it would be granted the thing I don't understand is why

7:34 Amazon bothered to file it because of two things number

7:37 one is that by filing this extremely detailed patent all they've effectively

7:43 done is given anyone and their dog the

7:46 ability to replicate their supposed perfect technique that has never been

7:50 done before yeah for taking perfect product photos the other thing is that

7:54 they could never prove that anyone reading this patent and replicating

7:59 their exact technique used it someone

8:02 could just say oh well no I had the pedestal slightly lower it was at 39.5

8:08 degrees like there's there's so many very specific things that you could

8:12 change by a very small amount and then Dodge the pet so I I don't understand

8:16 the point of

8:20 it maybe you guys can enlighten me you

8:23 know what Twitter Blitz um obviously I

8:27 know you I don't need to see the usual rant about how the P system is

8:31 flawed we know we all everyone knows that it's terrible and this honestly

8:35 this is going to help that case a lot yeah because like this is ridiculous I

8:40 mean it is ridiculous but with some of the stuff that we've seen get through it

8:44 doesn't surprise me that it got approved but I would like to hear you guys say

8:49 you know does this seem like the kind of thing that Amazon should have even

8:53 bothered with or does it seem like the kind of thing that

8:57 they well yeah I that's there's only

9:01 really one answer here isn't there you know what random Twitter Blitz hit us up

9:05 on at Linus and let us know something

9:09 anything we love you guys we just want to hear from you you never

9:17 call oh how funny that it's Mother's Day

9:20 coming up and that's the first thing on your mind I

9:24 was before I was like just there guilty conscience I've been to my parents house

9:28 twice conscience the week's not even over I tried to go visit my mom but she

9:31 was too busy with her grandson at the pond to take her phone with her so I sat

9:35 in the parking lot at their apartment building for an hour I was able to make

9:39 good use of the time I switched over from the 1 M8 to the 5S so bam when's

9:45 your review coming from thanks to my mom I'm an Apple user again uh it's going to

9:49 be coming probably not this weekend but next weekend is the plan so I'll be

9:53 doing like a retrospective um what it was like being

9:56 an iOS user and then an Android User now iOS user again but I'll spoil the ending

10:01 for you guys I am switching back to the 1 M8 oh um so that that's going to

10:06 happen what I'd really like to do is give the Moto X a longer try because I

10:10 only really used it for my review and I didn't use it for as long as I would

10:13 have liked so he's borrowing the Moto X because he can't keep his phones in one

10:17 place or not broken but I'd like to give the Moto X another shot and then I'll

10:21 probably end up on the one made again um

10:25 speaking of one thing I like about the Moto X yes um is that you know I don't

10:29 know if the 1 M8 can do this but I found a lot of Android phones the Okay Google

10:32 thing doesn't really work Siri is amazing okay with with Moto

10:37 X you can just say Okay Google and it'll start working oh yeah yeah yeah that's

10:40 unique yeah yeah but like uh why isn't

10:43 that on everything Siri is amazing I've

10:47 never used it so get this I didn't even know if it could do this the thing about

10:51 Google Google now is that you have to kind of like Google what it can do and

10:56 then you have to like remember what it can do it's not intuitive

10:59 last night I set an alarm for 8:30 and I

11:03 was like my wife was like you're not going to get up at 8:30 I was like no no

11:07 I'm going to get up at 8:30 she's like you're not going to get up at 8:30 I'm

11:10 going to wake up I'm not going to be able to go back to sleep and you're not

11:14 going to get up till 9 so set your alarm till 9: and I was like motivate me and

11:19 so I set my alarm to 9 and um so all I

11:23 had to do is be like tomorrow's alarm for 8:30 change it to 9:00 or something

11:28 along those lines like in my vernacular I just told it what to do and it's like

11:32 okay I changed that for you and like I didn't even believe it I just I like I I

11:36 had to double I don't think you could do that with cool now and I was just like

11:40 holy crap Google has and I think you

11:44 could do it in two steps I think you could remove the alarm and then you could create a new one but it's not it's

11:49 not as elegant and like Google's voice calling is

11:53 ridiculous it's stupid voice calling

11:56 what you mean yeah if you're like call whoever mobile it's like

11:59 would you like to call this yes I just said that would you like to call home Mo

12:05 yes I just said that Apple would you

12:09 call my wife mobile calling Mobile

12:12 ringing the only people I really call are in my favorite favorites anyways so

12:17 it's almost faster for me to just be like click on phone click on person but

12:20 like driving and stuff yeah yeah like I have reasons that I cuz normally yeah

12:26 I'll I'll down and there are things that I miss about Android like Apple doesn't

12:29 have uh T9 dialing which is awesome yeah

12:33 like head explode awesome the first time I saw it um and that's how I dial most

12:38 of the time but Siri is so much easier to use than Google now that I just

12:42 absolutely love it I'm not super great with Google now so someone might um yeah

12:47 someone's probably tearing me apart because there's some exact way that you

12:50 can word it so that Google Now will understand you but I don't care that's

12:53 not a great user experience that's one thing even without using Siri that I've

12:57 been kind of able to pick up SP fox is like don't even start on S Voice well s

13:03 sorry go ahead no one cares um didn't they do a thing recently about like how

13:06 much people actually use the sa apps it

13:10 was like not at all I can't remember who did that I have

13:13 no Source I I just I think that happened no I missed that that sounds fantastic

13:19 though I already love it if you've ever seen her Siri seems more like the AI

13:23 operating systems in her Google Now seems more like the thing he's using

13:28 before that but like a really early version of it right cuz you can kind of

13:32 talk to Siri yep you can't really talk to Google Now if you try to talk to it

13:36 it'll just Google what you said I hate that so much it makes me so mad like no

13:43 I didn't want so mad I want you to Google something I would have said like

13:46 Google search and then what I wanted you know what well you know what pisses me

13:49 off most about Google now is I live in Su I live in a city I live in a city

13:55 called sui okay and so half the time I try to navigate anywhere it's like

14:00 something something Siri Siri whereas Siri knows what I'm talking

14:06 about it can tell the difference between Siri and Siri and that is impressive to

14:13 me all right so that actually LED in really well to uh a couple of topics

14:18 here so number one was oh balls where is

14:22 it what yes Stephen Hawkings says AI

14:25 could be our worst nightmare you were talking about a very bad quote

14:29 um worst mistake in history or something

14:32 yeah it because they're grabbing like the second half of it it's it could be

14:37 like their it could be the best thing or it could be the worst mistake yeah so so

14:41 fortunately minimalist the uh gent who posted this or lady who posted this on

14:46 the Forum has the actual quote which is

14:49 sort of blah blah blah blah blah it's good saying it could be the most

14:53 significant thing to ever happen in human history as it's oh no wait no no

14:57 he didn't oh B all right so we'll have to go here could be our worst mistake in

15:02 history but that is a very sensationalist

15:05 headline ah okay forget it Luke already

15:09 covered it pretty well so the idea is that what he actually said is that it

15:13 could be the greatest thing ever or it could also be our worst mistake because

15:18 we can't predict what here it is um

15:21 although we are facing potentially the best or worst thing to happen in human

15:25 in to happen to humanity in history so they grabbed like like the second half

15:30 of a sentence then we're like oh my God but what he actually said was best or

15:34 worst and I'm going to post this I'm going to post this link in the twitch

15:38 chat because that's something that we should always do in general yeah and um

15:42 you know what I was really I was proud of the internet today because I was

15:46 reading this article and I was like oh great article but you know I wonder what

15:50 people think about it it's got like a bajillion comments under it George

15:53 dorski here actually posted like a

15:58 cogent and well structured and

16:02 respectful sort of disagreement with what everyone else is saying that I

16:07 really quite enjoyed reading or maybe that's not the right one oh crap hold on

16:12 which one was it um those those look like a lot of

16:16 very wellth thought out replies which is not very common I thought that was the

16:20 article that you're reading through this is the one this one's right George dori's thing is absolutely awesome and

16:25 he kind of talks about how I think that's I think that's PV talking to

16:29 George oh to okay PV PV you are the man

16:33 or woman because that is that is that is a great response and it just kind of

16:37 talks about how a lot of the fear that people have of AI is is based on the

16:44 assumption that AI would behave the way that humans do and that it would

16:48 perceive a lesser a lesser being as

16:52 something it has to crush or has to destroy and gives he kind of outlines

16:57 three likely scenarios so SC scario a

17:00 which is that the AI attempts to destroy Humanity scenario B that the AI attempts

17:05 to help humanity and scenario C that it just does nothing at all and the

17:10 argument that AI would probably choose option C or option b without us noticing

17:16 so a combination of the two seems most likely if a computer were to operate

17:20 from a purely logical perspective what does it stand to gain destroying us

17:26 really well probably a better environment a better environment for

17:29 what it's metal it's not like it's going to take up space but it needs to be able

17:33 to gain electricity if it had solar electricity we could possibly pollute

17:37 the guy or ruin things

17:41 right if its only goal is gaining electricity we are organisms that are

17:45 using electricity as well so if it got rid of us then it could use all the electricity which assumes that it needs

17:49 more electricity which assumes that it needs more there's a yeah I don't know I

17:53 haven't even read this I'm just throwing in Devil's advocacy so yeah I mean so so

17:57 anyway this writer makes a very very strong argument for it probably doing

18:02 nothing that's and honestly that's kind of my side of it as well is because we

18:06 we would pretty much have to program in the like hate for us for that to even

18:10 happen or not I mean because I mean the whole the whole thing the whole AI thing

18:14 is that it can learn is that it can learn and it can come up with its own

18:18 ideas and if that idea happens to be a way to improve itself or to manipulate

18:23 people to you know improve it or whatever else the case may be I suspect

18:29 a very smart being would want to do all that without being

18:33 noticed that's all yeah all right so and

18:38 that actually LED really well into one of our oh you know what let's do our

18:41 Twitter Blitz and then we'll move into one of the other things that uh LED

18:45 pretty well into one of our topics here which was Samsung's head of mobile

18:49 design resigns after the Galaxy S 5's poor reception so uh I actually I I I

18:55 definitely I you know Samsung's one of those companies that just I don't know

18:59 what it is but they're pretty fun to beat up um you know like I I love a lot

19:04 of things about them but other times they just make me make me want to shake

19:08 my head and cry all right so Mark says Linus why do you use IE uh because this

19:14 is a fresh OS and ie is what I'm logged

19:17 into everything with there's on that computer I know but I'm not logged into

19:21 everything I'm lazy don't forget the outro this time thank you Joey oh here's

19:26 lonus in his Lambo where is that picture picture whenever anyone photoshops

19:30 anything that's always the picture of you that they use this picture yeah um

19:34 it is from a thumbnail on an ancient ncx

19:40 Tech tips outside of the old NCI like before you you don't have it on any

19:45 profiles or anything anymore I used to have it on my first Google Plus profile

19:51 so like how is anyways I just I see it so often this is see you can tell the

19:56 quality of this one is quite poor yeah so this could have been pulled from

20:00 someone else putting it somewhere oh okay so I think that's how things spread

20:04 on the that makes sense yeah um as the patent is so specific it's fairly

20:07 worthless not like that covers everything related Apple ones exactly

20:11 and that is exactly my point why they even bother how is it even worth the

20:15 thousands of dollars that it cost to file a patent yeah all they're doing is

20:20 revealing how I could go and build that studio tomorrow thank you Amazon not

20:26 that I'm going to do that of course not cuz we use might do something similar

20:29 but yeah we could do it with green instead of white yeah when is the NCIX

20:33 ultimate Nas setup video coming uh at some point I'm not sure it's up to

20:37 Wheels over there and why no guests in when quite frankly because I'm lazy

20:42 Intel z97 is out with Haswell refresh coming on Sunday I've never understood

20:46 why Intel does this or AMD for that matter where they launch a chipset

20:49 without a CPU or vice versa um so I mean

20:53 we have like a literal stack of z97 boards that I haven't even looked at

20:57 because why would I even bought B benchmarking them with non Haswell

21:01 refresh chips I don't understand so

21:05 we'll wait until some Haswell refresh stuff lands and then we'll uh we'll get

21:08 on that for you guys okay did you know about boink

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21:33 boink team is so David Cooper says if you make a great AI someone will

21:37 eventually tell it to do something evil but that assumes the AI can't think for

21:41 itself which it can because listen to anyone awesome Jake plush thank you Rob

21:46 says I just ordered some i8s thanks to the recommendation and yes I use the

21:51 sponsor link Rob you're awesome yay thank you for being awesome also the i8s

21:55 are awesome yeah I still use them every

21:58 day I love them they're fantastic I used iPhone 4 my experience was very

22:02 disappointing I was since I switched then but I but I may test the iPhone 6

22:06 I'm really interested to see what Apple does with iPhone 6 if you don't think

22:09 five days oh oh this is a tweet in

22:12 response to something that I was talking about on Twitter last night where

22:15 OnePlus offered me a 5day laner unit of

22:19 the OnePlus One and I basically told them forget it because what I can do is

22:25 like I'll play around with it for five days and then I can talk about it on WOW

22:28 but I'm not going to do a review because quite frankly the our review of the 1 M8

22:33 which I think represents the very best that I can do at least right now in

22:37 terms of a phone review our review of the 1 M8 took me well over a week just

22:42 to to use the phone and make notes on and prepare and then like obviously it

22:46 wasn't a week dedicated to just that I was making other videos throughout that

22:49 week but everything's kind of like that where I'll spend a week with it parttime

22:54 and and I'll be making notes as I go then it took me hours to compile into a

22:59 full script hours to shoot and then it

23:02 took a full day for one of my editors to edit so I'm sitting there going okay so

23:07 you're going to give me five days with this what I'm going to rush my

23:10 review all in the name of I can play with a phone for five days well sorry

23:14 what's in this for me what's in this for my viewers why am I doing this even like

23:19 our phone reviews actually started off with monthlong trials that was the whole

23:23 thing with us starting phone reviews and then even with the Tegra Note which I

23:28 didn't even do a ton on I had it for uh slightly over a week and on the

23:34 Saturday during that week I spent literally the entire day doing nothing

23:38 else except for playing with the tablet so yeah so that's kind of the idea we

23:43 don't necessarily do the spec heavy reviews that other guys do or the

23:46 benchmarks that they do we focus on what it's like to actually use the bloody

23:51 thing I noticed I never got the Tegra Note back it's

23:55 doing Ah that's right oh we have a really cool video coming soon there's a

24:00 product that claims to use UV light to

24:04 clean your phone at night so we actually we got like real Petri dishes and stuff

24:09 and like did swabs and stuff so we're going to let you guys know if that works

24:12 that's coming really soon that was like immediately after my I I remember that

24:17 now I thought you were stealing company property again why Wherever Would I get

24:21 that idea Wherever Would I get that idea I'm like you all right so let's uh move

24:27 on to our next topic here Samsung's head of mobile design resigns after Galaxy

24:32 S5s Pooh reception it's funny where that got cut off on the

24:36 page it's cuz he's zoomed in too much there we go

24:41 poor I mean it's pretty accurate in terms of parties what would a pooh

24:45 reception be hopefully not fondu hopefully not

24:52 fondu a

24:56 a I was trying to of some way to spin it well and then I was like well it could

25:01 be like a fond do thing and I was like that's actually really disgusting that's

25:04 actually a lot worse um so

25:10 anyway so so follow posted originally on

25:15 the Forum by etj um so he he has resigned following

25:20 criticism about the Galaxy S5s uh lack of thank you for using a

25:26 word that I actually don't know how to pronounce appreciate that B egj so

25:30 though the Galaxy S 5's design did not actually deviate too far from earlier

25:33 models it's looks and textured plastic back where round were roundly I'm not

25:38 even reading this anymore you're from like the UK and you're writing it wrong

25:42 so basically reviewers didn't like the build quality they didn't like the

25:46 backing material I don't know what people didn't like about the backing material I liked it it's different it's

25:51 easier to grip I'm not against it yeah like I actually quite like the backing

25:55 of the Galaxy S5 it's one of the things I did like about it cuz I like TouchWiz

25:59 that's for sure I I mean honestly I think the criticism of the S5 is less

26:05 about the S5 not being a solid incremental Improvement honestly the

26:10 build quality feels a lot better than the S4 to me it has less Flex in it by

26:14 far it's waterproof and or water resistant rather and all that stuff but

26:17 I think it's more to do with the phone Community getting bored and not actually

26:23 recognizing their own boredom for what

26:27 it is they're it's harder for them to find things to get excited about

26:31 compared to in the past when there were so many amazing new Innovations coming

26:36 with every new smartphone and we've talked about this a fair bit on the show

26:39 but it's kind of like PC enthusiasts saying you know uh MSI or ASUS's or

26:46 whoever's new motherboard isn't exciting therefore it sucks well really it's just

26:52 mature now and it's not changing much anymore and you're just not into it that

26:57 much anymore and and I think people are not recognizing that they're losing the

27:02 interest maybe not in the software side I think there's still a lot of

27:05 innovation to happen on the software side of things but in terms of the

27:09 hardware we've all basically Consolidated down to you know an iPhone

27:14 one of various sizes or shapes yeah that's very very similar one one thing

27:20 that I like like every single time we bring this up I bring up LG because they

27:23 did move the buttons to the back like there is things you can do with layout

27:26 and stuff um that still has been untried yet and there's going to be things like

27:30 virtual keyboards and stuff that people are going to be working on but it's not going to be like major drastic

27:36 gamechanging things on every single phone

27:39 release so that's um so that's that's

27:42 what I think this is I mean um you know despite the perceived lack of beauty

27:47 Samsung managed to sell 86 million smartphones in Q4 last year uh widening

27:52 it lead over Apple but Samsung is apparently struggling to make a profit

27:55 on its phone thanks in part to I hate the way this is written anyway

28:00 they spend a lot on marketing so that's uh that's costing them a lot um I guess

28:05 that's all there is to really say about that is I I think it's just people not

28:09 being excited about the phones in general and not that Samsung is

28:13 particularly doing anything wrong I mean um I I mean they are doing things wrong

28:18 but they're not doing anything really new wrong like they're still they're

28:21 still making Touch wiz for old people

28:24 which I like I don't know how to fix something like that that because when

28:29 you've when you've cornered the market on old people who can't see their screens very well it's not like you want

28:33 to go ahead and change all your UI elements and make them small but you

28:36 could you could have like a scaling option or something yeah you could have scaling that works better I guess that

28:41 that's an option um all right so I was

28:46 looking for a segue here and I've got nothing but this is absolutely brutal I

28:51 mean when I first heard about this I um

28:55 I was kind of sitting there going well geez I hope this doesn't go any where

28:58 because we review things and sometimes we say negative things about them so you

29:03 you were actually looking into this a fair bit I thought do you want to cover this one I've done a lot of talking was

29:09 but I don't know where it's really going to go Amazon asked them really hardcore

29:14 really quickly you're skipping to the ending you haven't told them what

29:17 happened yet I I don't like okay so someone someone um posted a review and

29:23 then Media Bridge fre freaked out um people are saying that Media Bridge has

29:27 had falsified or reviews in the past and then this one crazy flammatory review

29:31 was really bad Media Bridge came back saying that oh you cost all these people

29:35 jobs and all this kind of stuff by posting this review and it's flammatory

29:38 so we're going to go after you um I'm

29:42 not exactly what sure happened between them at that point but then Amazon asks

29:46 them completely they cannot sell through Amazon anymore uh I believe that still

29:50 does mean that other sellers through

29:54 Amazon could sell their products right but they can't sell as an Amazon product

29:59 which will probably hurt them a lot because I know at least me I know there's people that don't care but

30:03 personally if I'm buying something off Amazon it has to come from Amazon or

30:07 else why am I buying it off Amazon oh I just buy stuff off of Amazon Marketplace

30:11 all the time the reason is that Amazon Market Place um means you have Amazon's

30:16 customer service as a protective I've tried that before didn't really work

30:21 really oh I they were like yeah we can't really do much it's not us I was like

30:26 okay oh wow yeah that's why I personally only do it through Amazon I have done it

30:32 example I have done it before right and it totally didn't work out at all I

30:36 bought an old school game and it came in the box and stuff and it was a really

30:39 good price and I ordered online and I've

30:42 never really liked ordering old school games online because it's very possible

30:46 like the the game store that I buy from locally they have like a nday return

30:50 thing so you can go home make sure the game actually works because it's probably ancient and then if it doesn't

30:55 work you get your money back online that can be part of kind of an issue right

30:59 right sometimes it's not even worth the cost of shipping it back yeah it it

31:02 depends this time it didn't work and I was like okay well I want my money back

31:06 because it was a nice inbox game and it did cost a little bit of money and they

31:10 weren't responding so I went to Amazon customer service and they were like well

31:14 huh I don't know well there you go okay well you learn something every day so

31:18 basically so the what it looked like was going to happen here at first was that

31:23 just you know a guy posted a negative

31:26 review where I okay the negative review did contain some pretty specific

31:31 criticisms of uh of Media Bridge media

31:34 link and that was that it was a just a rebadged router which honestly a lot of

31:39 consumers think that that's a really big deal it's not most things that you're

31:43 going to be buying are actually rebadged have you ever bought you know like and

31:47 it depends on how you even want to Define like rebadged have you ever

31:51 bought a deink wireless adapter because

31:54 it's just gonna have an AOS or Marvel

31:57 chipset on a PCB that's just going to be basically a reference design with some

32:01 plastic thing around it with a plastic thing is that a rebadge I don't know is

32:04 that an integrated a product from A supplier and that they sell to the

32:08 consumer probably I don't know so I mean

32:11 maybe it was a rebadge maybe it wasn't what the reviewer also said was that um

32:17 okay so said it was uh blah blah blah said that they had falsified other

32:21 reviews on Amazon in order to make their products seem better than they are which

32:26 is a pretty serious accusation and so if they were going to go after him for

32:31 liable then that would be potentially there would there potentially be a case

32:35 there and then um the problem though is

32:39 that what Media Bridge did is they came back saying you have harmed Media Bridge

32:43 we intend to hold you liable for all damages sustained they said he must

32:47 delete his negative product review on Amazon within 3 days of receiving the

32:51 letter stop all defamatory and injurious conduct where the company and agree

32:54 never to purchase or comment on a Media Bridge product again so uh the riewer

33:00 has actually since changed the review to remove the statements but um you know I

33:06 think that that's not

33:09 uh yeah this quote too the damage is

33:13 just kind of done at this point the quote about the REM the reviewer removing the statement is kind of

33:17 interesting because it goes exactly like this the reviewer has since changed his

33:20 review completely to remove the liist statements but unfortunately not before

33:25 having an Army attack us on the internet yeah this is from Media Bridge so they

33:29 they're they're basically accusing the reviewer of you know colluding with

33:34 other internet Denis to go and like

33:37 thumbs up the review because it was a big part of the problem for media link I

33:41 guess is that it was the most helpful negative review and honestly those are

33:46 the ones that people see the most helpful positive one the most helpful

33:49 negative one and it had a bunch of people thumbs it up saying it was

33:53 helpful so and like I sometimes I see

33:57 redit is just a pack of dogs that needs

34:00 something to go after all the time it could be positive it could be negative

34:04 it could be whatever and like maybe it just happened that there was no other

34:07 really super important super positive or super negative news at that point in

34:11 time and it hit Reddit right point in time they're just like ra because that

34:15 happens yeah definitely a thing it's funny they use the word Army because you

34:19 could probably describe the Reddit Community as an army sometimes you know

34:24 who that Army works for exactly we're not sure but

34:28 for the people in theory I guess but sometimes you know an army of the people

34:32 without you know clear leadership and a clear sort of Direction can just kind of

34:36 do things and whether they were wrong here or not actually hard to say I mean

34:41 it's possible that Media Bridge was totally off Bas it's possible that the

34:46 reviewer was totally off Bas and saying

34:50 things that just blatantly weren't true but then it's always better to

34:54 communicate with that person rather than having a lawyer do the communic yeah or

34:58 just prove them wrong yeah I mean that's the issue to me is when you when the

35:02 opening Salvo is do this or else cease

35:06 and desist or else the opening Salvo

35:09 should be hey um yo do you mind yeah

35:13 yeah and then if that's a problem well then you get the lawyers involved or

35:17 like talk to Amazon about their review service and try to bring up the whole

35:22 like oh well he posted like surprisingly positive reviews on other people's

35:26 things just to make ours look really bad look good and all that kind of stuff talk to Amazon about that um talk to him

35:31 try and prove that you're not rebadging even though that probably doesn't matter

35:34 try and prove all these other different things then you get posed as the good

35:38 person and then the Reddit Army Gets behind you instead of in front of you

35:41 good old Reddit Army all right so we've got our next

35:46 topic here and that is that the developers this is just H this is

35:50 interesting um this is terrible so the I think the official

35:55 post saying that he was actually taking it down wasn't even done by the original

36:00 developer let's see

36:04 here yeah yeah yeah it wasn't even done by the original developer it was done by

36:08 a guy that joined on and his agreement that was that he would make 15% of the

36:13 sales of towns MH so it it became not

36:17 worth it for him personally because Town sales were going down this isn't the

36:21 game even isn't even released yet but Town sales were going down so he wasn't

36:25 making enough money the original Creator ALS Al felt like he wasn't making enough

36:28 money although the game is worth how much and then it's selling 200,000 times

36:34 so that dude probably did actually make quite a bit of money um and in this post

36:39 they talk about how they're interested in making a sequel did you know that part okay we

36:44 haven't really given the audience any context did you sleep much last night

36:48 are you tired um no but it's pretty straightforward okay but we haven't told

36:51 it's an early access game that hasn't been released yet I saw that oh did you

36:55 yeah then I I haven't been sleep last night

36:58 it's like the second thing that you just straight up didn't

37:02 hear anyways it's it first launched on

37:05 Steam at the end of 2012 it's an in development game it's uh I think it's

37:08 through the Greenlight system that it was yeah it was one of the green lit

37:12 games um it's it's it's not out yet sold

37:15 200,000 copies has been abandoned and they're planning on releasing I mean the

37:19 original Dev abandoned it in February saying you know burned out handed it

37:23 over to uh Florian frankenberger and

37:27 then within a couple of months now it's not going well and development has been

37:31 completely abandoned I mean

37:35 um how do you fix this I don't know people have been talking about

37:39 contractual obligation to complete a game if it gets

37:42 greenlit so if you if you your complete mean yeah exactly I mean

37:48 ask yeah that's a good point it's it's

37:51 it's hard this is a problem with Early Access then we got that guy posting in

37:55 our forums um where taking this away is

37:58 going to hurt a massive amount of developers but then leaving this here is

38:03 going to hurt a massive amount of people well because there are the success stories with Early Access like Minecraft

38:08 Minecraft what an enormous success story and there's a lot of games that honestly

38:12 people are enjoying playing right now because they're honestly not that broken

38:17 and probably shouldn't be in beta or Early Access that are currently in Early

38:21 Access like I know rust a lot of people were playing rust and having no real

38:25 problems with it um now I there's a ton of bugs but don't worry about it um for

38:29 a long time and I I don't know if it's released now or not but like a lot of

38:33 people are playing it very actively there's a huge Community behind it and

38:36 it was fine it's it's going okay and there's a lot of games that are like

38:40 that um the guy that posted in our Forum I believe was for like robot dodgeball

38:44 or something robot disco dodgeball I saw them at PA East actually

38:49 um so yeah I don't I don't know how you

38:52 exactly fix this a big problem is what you just brought up whereas if you put

38:56 like a conat obligation where you have to release the game or have to complete

38:59 the game if you decide to abandon it you can just be like not Early Access

39:03 anymore now it's

39:07 done yeah maybe they can have something where there's like a minimum goal like

39:12 you have to have these amount of things in the game yeah but like how do you

39:16 define that I mean the C okay the the

39:19 lawyers involved in writing the contract

39:22 that I mean and think about the development process of anything like

39:25 what if what if lus Media Group what something changes a year and 4 and a

39:30 half months ago had been told to contractually commit to what kind of

39:36 videos we were going to do two years from now I mean the amount that what we

39:42 do has changed in that time and I mean any creative processes like that you

39:46 know like a a a game you might go okay we're going to have three campaigns and

39:51 three races and you might kind of go oh this is stupid starcraft's been made

39:55 already we're going to have six races or we're going to have two races or you

40:00 know whatever else happens to be as long as you don't just have one race Donald

40:05 then you know you're being very 21st century about it that's all I'm trying

40:08 to say and the point is that that that it can change so the kind of contract

40:14 that you would have to write to like spell it out in detail enough that they

40:18 would actually have to deliver something I don't know how to fix it it's impossible I mean the loyers the lawyers

40:22 would be happy with that Arrangement I'm sure yeah yeah one thing is like this is

40:26 this comes back to the kickstarter talk we were talking about a long time ago and something that you guys should

40:29 probably take a look at at if you're really interested in this is total biscuits video on Early Access um but

40:35 it's it's where like do your research make sure the guy that you're supporting

40:38 has like made a bunch of stuff Chris Roberts um hopefully it's a game Studio

40:43 there are entire game studios putting stuff up on uh Greenlight and on um

40:49 Kickstarter make sure that there's some sort of a background um it's I haven't

40:53 read enough into it but I've heard some people saying that the guy that made towns has a few failed in the past I

40:58 don't know if that's true I've just seen that in a few different places so like that's the kind of stuff you want to

41:02 look into it's an early access game you are gambling to a certain point you're

41:06 not you're not buying the game as is right now or if you are then you're

41:10 happy with it already and it doesn't matter but that's the that's the problem

41:14 is that people feel like when they pay for something they should get some like

41:18 here and it's the whole well they should they should that's the whole Kickstarter

41:23 problem is people perceive Kickstarter

41:27 as is like buying something but the

41:30 problem is that Kickstarter is more like a donation yeah cuz you're not buying

41:35 something because often times they don't actually have to deliver it or it

41:38 doesn't have to be very functional and then the other times um wait so oh right

41:45 right right so so and the other problem is that if it is really successful you

41:49 don't actually get a cut of it so it's not an investment and it's not a

41:53 purchase it's a donation to support someone who you think should make the

41:59 thing that you like like honestly guys I've got what I think is a fantastic

42:03 idea for a movie trailer that I want to make I think that lonus Media Group has

42:08 gotten to the point where we are capable of creating an awesome movie trailer we

42:13 are nowhere near capable of creating an

42:16 awesome movie they're really different very different things completely

42:21 different skill sets in a lot of ways but what we could easily do is we could

42:26 kickstart and that's the thing is a well-merchandised Kickstarter so we

42:29 could Kickstart support us to make this movie give us you know $100,000 or

42:33 whatever the case may be we could make a fantastic trailer spend 15 $20,000 on

42:39 that and then just you know buy ice

42:42 cream with the other $80,000 release a

42:45 movie that's like starring me and Luke and shot with like a phone

42:49 camera and we haven't actually done

42:53 anything illegal and like this ties in I think

42:57 I've told this story on the show before where I I've backed a lot of Kickstarter

43:00 projects most of them have been successful some of them have been glowingly successful to the point where

43:06 um the the the guy that's made yeah Pebble real companies are formed but

43:11 like some of the smaller ones that I've done where it is a company but now it's

43:14 like two or three people and it's been a

43:17 year and a half since I got my product in my hands for them like it's been a

43:21 long time they're still in contact with all of us um all the kickstarter backers

43:24 are getting huge discounts all the time just cuz they're like thank you you

43:27 allowed us to become a thing that's awesome and that's what you kind of Hope

43:31 happens from Kickstarter um and they they still allow us to put input in

43:35 towards projects that they're doing in the future and stuff like that which is really cool but that doesn't happen all

43:39 the time I have been completely screwed over I I bought into a Kickstarter the

43:44 guy didn't post updates forever and then was randomly like yep nope I didn't do

43:48 anything and I'm not going to do anything so nope like 100% And then he's like oh

43:54 apparently I have to give refunds so give me your information and then no

43:58 update and then months later he's like well I'm doing the refunds today no one

44:01 got them and then radio silence since then I don't ever expect to get that

44:06 money back because and you know what's really stupid is some of the

44:09 kickstarters I've seen fail are even things as stupid as like playing

44:14 cards they just flat out didn't make

44:17 it's like really what did you spend the money on and you know a lot of the time

44:21 I think it's on like a posh office and like a nice new computer to put on their

44:26 fancy desk when really and it it

44:29 frustrates me the way a lot of startups behave like they already are making the

44:32 money as opposed to figuring out how to

44:36 deliver the product the best that they possibly can to their customers the best

44:40 way they possibly can without spending that money so that they can keep that

44:44 money to reinvest in themselves for the future I mean that's how I think businesses should be run but a lot of

44:49 the time that's not really how it goes there was recently a kickstar I don't

44:52 remember what this was for I wish I had research on this but um they they were

44:56 complaining meaning that they had ran out of money because one of the employees in the company when they're

45:00 running their Kickstarter was in like serious money troubles so when the

45:04 kickstarter ended and they got all the money he took like a third of it and

45:07 they were just like yeah it's a cash advance for like six month

45:11 salary and then they're like oh wait we don't have any money left because we

45:15 gave it all to him and it's like

45:18 what are you kidding me was that somewhere on the kickstarter page we

45:22 were funding this guy's like probably I'm going to assume gambling troubles

45:26 like could be drugs could be anything like no

45:30 that wasn't a part of the kickstarter but could be just anything I I used to

45:33 work with uh I used to have a co-worker who we were in sort of a similar without

45:37 giving too much detail I I have some idea what kind of money uh she made and

45:43 like the amount of money that I saw getting like I I knew I knew the pay

45:48 grade I knew approximately the expenses I knew her pretty well and the amount of

45:53 money that I saw her blowing on Hobby

45:57 stuff I was sitting there going okay so

46:00 you're constantly like asking for more money but I know that you waste it all

46:07 on stupid crap so maybe if you stopped

46:11 wasting it on stupid crap we wouldn't have this problem because you make a

46:15 very fair living wage

46:19 yeah speaking of a fair living wage 3.2

46:23 billion apples reportedly considering buying Beats for 3.2 billion oh this has

46:28 been updated since the last time I looked at it by Alex Goes high is

46:32 apparently kind of confirmed so ah right yes I did hear

46:37 about this so Dr Dre was caught up celebrating the deal in his Studio

46:42 because he posted a video about said celebration on Facebook that has been

46:45 deleted the Verge evidently saved it to their servers prior to the takedown so

46:50 basically in the video Dr Dre describes himself as the first billionaire in hip

46:54 hop and uh

46:57 doesn't explicitly confirm the Apple acquisition but the the implication

47:01 there is that the deal is basically already done so Apple would be acquiring

47:06 not just like headphones which to me is

47:10 less I mean yeah it's a huge business and all that but that's less of a big

47:14 deal and probably if Apple decided to release their own Apple branded

47:18 headphones they could crush Beats headphones if they really felt like it I

47:21 mean the kinds of people who buy Beats headphones are probably going to also be interested in Apple headphones and quite

47:26 frankly I have a lot more faith in apple than I do in beats when it comes to

47:29 making a decent pair of headphones I'd assume it had really good build quality

47:32 which I don't assume of Beats I I I don't even know but I just I don't

47:36 assume they're they're nothing I've never bought a pair of Beats um so I

47:41 forget where I was going with that what is your thing you said you have a very

47:44 unpopular opinion about I'll get to that um so Apple will also be buying beats's

47:49 streaming service so that is is a music streaming service that's actually um

47:54 similar to something that Apple's been rumored to be developing so it would

47:58 potentially work on Android devices so this could be a great way for Apple to

48:02 get into the music streaming service I mean music is something that Apple's

48:05 been very heavily into since the job's days and it could allow them to get a

48:09 chunk of that pie on the Android side

48:12 without like creating branding weirdness

48:16 around you know iTunes for Android you

48:20 know whatever they want to call it or or or or whatever that ends up turning into

48:25 so I think that's actually more interesting it's funny to me that this

48:29 is actually by far Apple's biggest acquisition um so it's the second

48:34 biggest was actually next back in 1997

48:38 when they brought Steve Jobs's next computer company back or Computing next

48:42 I forget what it was called anyway when they brought next back into the fold and

48:46 reacquired Steve Jobs so this is far bigger than that um Apple's more about

48:52 the little strategic micro Acquisitions

48:56 where they see like a really smart technology and and and buy them up

48:59 before they get big so this is very uncharacteristic for them making like a

49:03 power move like this it's interesting I I I see it kind of makes sense though

49:07 because of how much they're already entwined yeah sort of I mean they sell

49:12 Beats in the Apple store but I mean they also sell Cooler Master like aluminum

49:17 phone stands in the store I yeah but I bet you in terms of Revenue beat spring

49:20 is in a lot more than The Cooler Master aluminum stand you know what's baffling

49:24 to me is how I manag to live in the kind

49:28 of bubble that I live in like when we were trying to do the Hackintosh um

49:33 build uh the the the guy we were working with Rampage Dev who's a Hackintosh

49:37 developer really nice guy super nice guy we really like him cool guy um he was

49:42 like oh yeah to create the the bootable USB drive just plug it into a Mac and do

49:47 this I'm like I I don't have a Mac he's like then borrow one I'm like I don't

49:51 know a single person who owns a Mac he's

49:54 like what I'm like don't worry man I'll figure it

49:58 out but I don't know a single person who owns a Mac I don't know a single person

50:03 who owns Beat headphones did I say Beat Beats Beats

50:08 headphones who someone who works here a while ago

50:14 who I don't think he still has them do I have to hit him I don't think he still

50:17 has I know he has monster turbines is it Brandon

50:20 no it's not Ed is it

50:23 no no

50:27 he had them he had them a while ago I don't know if he still has them no we

50:31 were making fun of people who own Beats headphones yeah and I was saying that

50:35 you have Monster earbuds but those are actually fairly well well reputed so

50:40 you're okay you're off the hook Brandon

50:43 yeah he had the the like small ones that go on your ear oh really yeah oh

50:48 headache so it's it was a while ago though when he got like an employee discount on them it's our new guy we are

50:53 all ashamed of him I wouldn't have hired him if I'd known that that is that is a

50:57 very sad very sad State of Affairs right right now imagine he posted that on the

51:01 audio Forum so here's just get

51:04 slaughtered here's what I will say about an Apple beats

51:09 acquisition I would actually be pretty

51:12 excited to see a product that came out of this

51:16 Union that's what I'll say that's all I have to say about it guys I'm going to

51:20 create a straw pole because Apple owns them would you be as know that would

51:24 never happen I'm not even to I'm not even put that up I was going to say it was the other way around and I was like

51:27 no there's no

51:34 way I could have made that so you could have kept talking oh I don't really have

51:38 anything else to say okay are we done with this topic then uh yeah I'm just

51:41 going to um like basically I okay I guess I do have more to say so the

51:46 reason that I would be excited about that is because beats I appreciate their

51:51 style and I appreciate their marketing but what has always been lacking for me

51:56 is the actual build quality and the actual exceptional of the product so

52:01 anything good yeah um where and but what

52:05 they're what they've been good at what they have been good at is increasing the

52:11 demand for Quality Audio Solutions even

52:14 because people were like wow this is bad I want to buy something better no no no

52:17 no no no no no no like like commercials like the HP Envy commercial where they

52:22 have Dr Dre with his stupid headphones on on an HP notebook and like talking

52:28 about how better audio enriches The Experience because it does the problem

52:34 is that beats never actually delivered the enriched audio experience but the

52:38 good thing they did was they made people aware of crappy audio and how much it

52:43 sucks so what I would like to see apple do so here's my straw poll you guys uh

52:49 what I would like to see apple do is actually build something with Beats

52:54 branding that is good because hate on Apple all you want the iPhone 5S is an

52:59 exceptional piece of hardware and even all even the Android Fanboys have to

53:05 agree that what's great about the HTC1

53:08 series The 1 M7 and the 1 M8 is that

53:11 someone on the Android side finally rivaled Apple for build quality which

53:15 would imply that we never had anything equivalent before they are quality built

53:20 products they're fast Apple actually Engineers solutions that are good

53:24 they're processors that they actually build M unlike pretty much everyone else

53:28 with the exception of Samsung where they're just using an off-the-shelf processor Apple actually Engineers the

53:33 crap out of things so if they engineered the crap out of a $300 pair of

53:38 headphones I would expect to actually get $300 level build quality and $300

53:43 level sound quality out of it that's what I would like to see there's you you

53:48 can't possibly say that they don't make things well you can but it's just stupid

53:54 that's all I have to say about that um okay I guess yeah you could technically

53:58 say it yeah you could say it but you're just completely wrong so there you go um

54:03 do you want to do a topic sure uh there's a few left actually there's a

54:08 lot left here I'm going to throw those straw pole results up there boom okay so

54:14 one that I find really interesting because we've been talking about VR a lot lately and yep I'm going to talk

54:18 about another Oculus Rift thing yeah baby is that the the biggest thing that

54:23 we've both said is that it's not necessarily immersive in US yeah because

54:26 not all your senses are engaged and that's what's really interesting about

54:30 this I could engage your senses that wouldn't have to be VR oh

54:35 god really is this the thing that you're

54:38 going to do on the show no okay I don't know what you're talking about all right

54:41 um

54:45 so wow

54:50 anyways so a company a company called

54:54 something birdley I think I'm a little bit distracted right now um has created

54:59 this giant machine thing that they're quoting saying uh you do not control a

55:03 machine you embody a bird the red kite which is a bird by the way um but

55:08 honestly you're you're controlling a machine um but what's really interesting

55:13 about it is that it engages your physical sense so you're liter you're

55:17 laying flat up on this machine and then you have to Flap as if you're a bird

55:21 like he's doing right there um and then it is putting smell into the environment

55:26 so what you see on the Oculus Rift is pushed through towards you so if you're

55:30 flying over a forest you'll smell a forest if you're flying over mud flats

55:34 you'll smell mud whatever um and you can see that giant fan right in front of him

55:39 that fan will change how fast it's spinning depending on how fast he's

55:43 going in the game so if he starts going really quickly the fan will start

55:46 spinning really quickly so you're getting um not necessarily accurate but

55:50 you're getting representative wind speed towards your head and you're getting

55:55 smell and you're getting vision from the oculus rift this is kind of the stuff

55:59 that I'm talking about it's still not going to feel like you're actually a bird cuz you're laying on something kind

56:03 of flapping around but it should be really interesting to be able to try

56:06 they're saying that it has um aloric what is it called sorry what

56:13 now alaic smell no I know but is that how you pronounce it I'm actually not

56:17 sure alaic alaor I don't know olfaction either way

56:22 Factory perception so so Factory perception is how how you smell things

56:27 they have feedback on that they also have feedback based on uh which which is

56:30 based on the location of the bird while you're flying I said if you fly over forest all that kind of stuff um and

56:35 then it has wind speed and actually physically

56:40 flapping no you can have that banana on your

56:44 shirt I don't want that in my hand um

56:48 cool though because this is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes

56:52 to exciting things that we're going to be able to do with VR yeah and like this

56:56 maybe isn't the most realistic thing for something that everyone's going to have in their house yeah it's like it's like

57:01 if if we had conversations before about how I was like yeah Omni is cool but

57:06 like I wouldn't find room for it in my house like yeah I'm going to have like a

57:11 dedicated like you know quarter of a room for like my bird simulator machine

57:16 and my goat simulator machine and my Farmer simulator machines like it's

57:21 going to turn you know what gaming is going back to Arcade size machine

57:26 they're going to they should get it to the point where there's one and it's like a Transformer you tell it what game

57:30 you want to play and it just like changes itself that would be amazing

57:34 somebody Kickstart that I'm not going to give you my money cuz I know you can't

57:37 build it I was just going to say don't Kickstart it cuz you will never be

57:41 successful it won't work but I like how

57:44 you think does yeah exactly but yeah yeah I I hope they have

57:48 this kind of stuff at like Science World yeah that would be cool or or different

57:51 things like that so you can actually try Tellis world of science oh whatever can

57:55 you believe that like it's like Telos

57:59 you know can can you is is there another way that you could demonstrate that you

58:04 have too much money tell us world of science Roger Arena yeah like no oh no

58:09 no no no tell no Science World goes beyond that so sponsoring Arenas that's

58:13 one thing that's that's like yeah we don't know what to do here's all the

58:18 money to name your Arena whatever it is uh tell us world the science they bought

58:22 it they own it what yeah so science

58:26 world is uh is a dome in Vancouver it's

58:30 really cool it's actually fantastic world after dark is like one of the

58:33 coolest things great place to take the kids great place to even go on a date

58:36 like they just have cool exhibits that are sciency and like Puzzles you can do

58:40 and I've done it before mle times me too um so science world's fantastic so tell

58:45 us act they were running out of money because it was publicly funded and you

58:48 know it's like anything cool not enough people go because everyone's too busy

58:52 playing video games um so I've been like five six

58:57 times so tell us one of our local Telos just bought the thing like okay whatever

59:03 okay speaking of just buying the thing I guess it's time for our sponsor segment

59:08 so we're going to start with Dollar Shave

59:11 Club oh no no no no I'm actually I'm

59:15 actually not I just I finally got why the banana exists I was like this is

59:19 weird and I I knew it was here like it it was prepped to be here and like if

59:23 you wanted to eat the freaking banana you could eaten it before the so Dollar Shave Club sent us a second package

59:29 because you can see that between me wasting all of our shave butter I

59:33 actually really wish I hadn't wasted it it smells really nice and it's like kind

59:36 of nice to use so between me wasting all of our shave butter Taran stealing one

59:41 of the razor handles and someone else taking off with a pack of blades I'm not

59:46 even sure um they're not they're not in the Box anymore that was yeah maybe he

59:51 asked you did he well I wasn't paying attention so Dollar Shave Club sent us a

59:56 new pack of it so we can show you I guess what the smaller follow-up

59:59 packages look like once you sign up for the club but basically the way Dollar

60:03 Shave Club works if you haven't heard of it before I'm just going to switch to our ah yes join the club visit

60:07 dollarshaveclub.com Linus is what I really wanted to do was go to this one

60:11 is you go ahead and you sign up and the

60:14 first time you get a handle you get some blades and you get a pretty pretty

60:20 spectacular shave they have multiple products so they've got everything from

60:23 like for okay so here to put this in perspective for $6.50 you get a four blade razor um the

60:30 last razor you'll ever need gentle shave single stroke their commercials

60:33 fantastic and even their most expensive offering is under $10 you're looking at

60:37 the Canadian site right now cuz I'm Canadian and it automatically redirects

60:41 me but in the US the prices are actually slightly cheaper all they have to really

60:45 say about themselves is look the blades

60:48 are great they're a fraction of the cost of what you'll pay at the store and you

60:52 don't have to deal with the hassle of driving over to the store

60:56 and dealing with you know fighting someone to open up the stupid

61:00 compartment that contains the razor and going and getting the key I mean I don't

61:04 know when the last time you tried to get service at a grocery store was but um

61:08 there's nobody there sorry I don't think I've ever actually try to get service at

61:12 a grocery store in theory they have people like in the Cosmetics department

61:16 where normally you would find um the Cosmetics Department I've seen people

61:20 yeah so you can usually go get one of them to come and help you with the

61:23 shaving supplies but like see this is the fact that I can

61:28 tell this story at at all addresses why

61:32 the need for something like Dollar Shave Club exists where they deal with it for

61:36 you every month you're going to get a new pack of blades so you can shave with

61:39 a fresh razor every week you can also order their shave butter whenever you

61:42 run out and you can get their one wipe Charlie's which are peppermint scented

61:46 butt wipes for men and they're I mean I'm not going to I'm not going to sugarcoat this because trust me if you

61:51 were to sugarcoat something that you wipe your butt with that granulation is

61:54 not going to be cool

61:57 anyway sorry I'm not going to sugarcoat this basically they're premoistened toets that smell nice and just to help

62:02 in terms of Effectiveness when you're trying to you know gather up the troops

62:07 so to speak and have them not smell when

62:10 you're sitting next to people smell you know

62:14 what my job isn't as easy as you might think it is I do it sometimes I know

62:19 it's not that easy all I'm trying to say guys is head over to dollarshaveclub.com

62:22 Lina sign up for the club get a great shave every day and don't worry about

62:27 the hassle of buying razors anymore and I think that's all we have

62:32 to say about that and are you really going to do this to

62:37 me wow go along with your integration

62:40 lus all right so thank you ASUS for

62:44 sponsoring the WAN Show we are proudly using the ASUS g750 JZ gaming notebook

62:51 for all of our wow needs and actually

62:54 needs that go beyond the show since you messed up my last integration why don't

62:58 you go ahead and talk about why you took the g750 JZ which happens to belong to

63:02 the company on on a personal trip with you what was exactly the point of that

63:07 well the the point was that I had to test out a Tegra Note so I had a phone I

63:13 had a Tegra Note and I had a laptop and part of my idea was if I needed to do

63:17 something what did I go to grab so I needed a laptop that being said I I

63:22 might own one um so basically decided

63:26 like oh well this one's pretty badass so

63:29 even though I have my own laptop that I just I haven't even seen that in a while

63:34 have you just junked it and just no I was using it for Network diagnosis okay

63:37 so you haven't just completely claimed this at this point although you

63:41 basically tried to you know what's funny is when we first found out we were

63:44 getting these he didn't even know what the specs of the ones we were getting

63:48 were like no idea I'm just like yeah we're getting new ASUS gaming notebooks

63:52 and he's like oh uh we're getting them for Wow and I'm like yeah it's like oh

63:56 well when we're done with wano I can replace my desktop with it right I'm

63:59 like a it was a gaming level notebook I

64:02 knew it was going to be faster than the desktop that I have which like I'm happy

64:06 if it doesn't CR it's not even that bad it's got a quad core yeah but like oh

64:12 man crashes the point of the g750 JZ

64:17 it's not the lightest thing ever okay it's a little bit on the thicker side

64:21 it's a little bit on the heavier side it's not an Ultra Book but the point of

64:24 it is that it Del delivers pretty near a desktop grade experience out of a

64:29 notebook something that is actually portable and you know what I've actually observed like I've been running on

64:33 battery for the entire show here and compared to my Dell my XPS which ran out

64:39 of battery in 2 hours and 55 minutes or

64:42 something today I'm sitting with like 3 hours left of battery even though we've

64:46 been streaming for over an hour now and I've been using it without with battery

64:50 before the show so I mean I I like that

64:53 the thing I like about a large notebook is that can go ahead and put a big old

64:57 battery in it and the fact that the GPU is not even on when you're just doing

65:00 basic things with it means that you don't actually deal with that power loss

65:04 you know that right yeah I know but there's still technically it's a little

65:08 bit it's not much these days it's not much I forget what the features Optimus

65:13 right that's awward I was like oh yeah I

65:16 don't remember what that's called anymore but the point is that it comes

65:19 with a gtx8 ADM which is about equivalent to a GTX 770 desktop GPU and

65:23 it comes with a COR i7 4700 HQ which is

65:27 actually not really equivalent to anything um Intel's desktop CPUs are

65:31 faster but still in our testing we found that it kept up you know running

65:35 BioShock Infinite on Ultra Battlefield 4 all that stuff with a pretty reasonable

65:39 gaming desktop so that's all we have to say about that thank you Dollar Shave

65:43 Club thank you for thank you ASUS for sponsoring the show remember guys if you

65:48 want to join the club and get a great shave not like you you've just stopped

65:52 shaving entirely haven't you well my Dollar Shave Club Razer had to be like

65:56 borrowed for an integration and stuff and then oh that's why cuz I was saying

66:01 because I knew at least two of them were missing and I was like oh one of the handles is back ew it has like stuff on

66:06 it is that you and then I probably don't really want it back okay well I'll I'll

66:10 give you one back again cuz cuz I I specifically asked them for a new one

66:14 for new to a birthday party on Saturday night so I'm going to have to grind my

66:18 face with my no take the take the razor jeez you're

66:23 killing me here anyway guys you can sign at dollarshaveclub.com and for the g750 JZ

66:29 I think you guys know where to buy notebooks there are lots of places to

66:32 buy notebooks like um the notebook.com is

66:38 that no that's probably not a thing I actually don't know that's probably for

66:41 the movie yeah I would think so let's see all right so we're going to go ahead

66:46 and have a look at whether people would be excited to see an apple SL beats

66:50 codeveloped product the uh overwhelming majority of you say no or maybe and the

66:56 that's a pretty flat vote the underwhelming minority of you say yes

67:01 but then yeah so for most of you zero cares were given okay I get it but I

67:07 will objectively evaluate anything that comes out of that partnership before

67:11 before the show was on he asked me about it and I said I I just can't really

67:15 bring myself to care very much and he's like well you should probably blah blah

67:18 blah blah blah and I was like yeah but it's from two companies that I'm not

67:21 ever going to buy anything from you will never buy anything from Apple

67:26 probably not what if the eyewatch is fantastic but then I'd have to get that

67:29 whole ecosystem that's how Apple Works

67:33 really yeah it would have to be really legendary what if the iPhone 6 is

67:38 fantastic it could be but if you look at the trending every single time that jobs

67:41 goes away every single he went away once

67:46 twice well he died yeah really that's

67:49 twice you're going to bring up Jobs's death I tried to do it lightly I

67:55 I tried to do it really lightly actually just didn't work at all all

68:01 right so semanex VP says antivirus is

68:05 dead this was posted on the Forum by nice hat along with some very amusing

68:11 pictures this one's fantastic if you guys can't read it it's an anonymous

68:15 Facebook post my computer's being really slow I forgot it had a virus I'm just

68:19 going to shut it down and stop using it until it goes away text me and then it's

68:23 just like the most appropriate use of this guy

68:28 that I think I have ever seen yeah probably me too that's a really good

68:32 picture that's fantastic and you know the it would it would be funnier if uh

68:38 if we didn't know people like that oh yeah yeah but I think we all do

68:43 so what's your take on this is antii well okay first of all we should

68:46 probably so basically uh what Brian Dy says so this a senior VI senior VP of

68:51 information securi we don't think of antivirus as a money maker anymore and

68:55 that he points out that hackers are increasingly increasingly using novel

69:00 bugs as ways to gain control of a system

69:04 or um gain information or whatever else it is that they're trying to do as

69:08 opposed to straight up computer viruses

69:11 and Mr D estimates that antivirus now catches just 45% of cyber attacks I mean

69:16 we've known for quite some time that spyware or adwar were actually larger

69:22 issues than traditional viruses but I I

69:25 guess I've just never heard it from someone at a company like sanch there's

69:30 another thing though like one I think one of the big problems here is where he

69:33 actually says we don't see it as a money maker in any way and I think that stands

69:37 out more than anything because almost everyone I know in the tech industry not

69:43 everyone but almost everyone I know in the tech industry is running a combination of antivirus software the

69:47 same one almost everybody they run Windows stock I don't even remember

69:52 Windows whatever Windows not Defender

69:56 Security Essentials whatever Microsoft Security Essentials MSE there we go

69:59 Microsoft Security Essentials for Passive scanning of viruses because

70:03 there's a big difference between when it's just running constantly looking for

70:06 things and when you manually run it huge difference so I see most people that I

70:09 know are running that for kind of passive scanning and then once every one

70:14 once in a while this is a really good idea for a straw pole once every once in a while they will download and run mbam

70:19 or malware bites and then run it for its active scan the manual one remove

70:24 everything that it catch and then just uninstall it none of that

70:28 costs any money and the majority of

70:31 people that I know that even run antiviruses are doing that combo or just

70:35 MSE Microsoft Security Essentials not even the mbam once in a while um so I

70:40 can totally see where they're talking about it not being a money maker um I'm surprised they're taking

70:46 the stance they are we going like with

70:49 the fake data and all that kind of stuff considering that already exists with

70:52 honey pots like I don't see them propos anything that's really new these are all

70:57 things that already exist so I find that a little bit interesting um and I I

71:02 don't think antivirus is unimportant I think it might be unimportant to certain

71:05 people yeah for the random Average Joe it's probably fine if you just pay

71:09 attention to what you're searching you don't click on anything super stupid

71:12 maybe you've been around on the internet for a really long time and you're really good at identifying download now buttons

71:16 at this point and you can read the URL at the bottom of your browser when

71:20 you're highlighting buttons to make sure you're not going to some ad and you're actually downloading what you want um

71:24 and stuff like that you're good with that and you kind of either run MSE or

71:27 nothing and that's fine you're probably okay but at the corporate level I think

71:31 it still really matters um when if someone gets into your network and

71:34 deletes everything on your server it's catastrophic um I've done it work for

71:39 some law firms way back in the day I don't do it anymore um but it was I

71:43 thought you still did I do but I'm kind of just like outside support right okay

71:49 and like if they have a question they'll email me but everything's automated now

71:52 that I don't I used to go in there all the time because it was more like I was

71:56 taking over for someone else so I had to do a lot of stuff right and now it's

72:00 more just like if they have a problem they'll call me in and every once in a while like every few months I'll go in

72:04 for a while and like make sure everything's good like I'll go in for a whole Saturday right but it's not super

72:09 common anymore so sorry you were talking about how you were doing that yeah so

72:13 that the them huge really big deal they

72:16 do a thing where I have it where one of their employees that somewhat techsavvy

72:19 walks in and plugs in a cable once every week and it does a big backup to a

72:24 computer plug in one cable unplugs another cable so it does a big backup to

72:28 an offline server that's almost always offline so it's it could still get

72:32 infected because you are plugging into a computer that is normally online right

72:35 but it's probably not going to happen to the point where everything's going to be deleted right or if it is they have two

72:41 servers and like they're they're both running different operating systems like

72:44 there's there's a bunch of layers of security that's a really big deal

72:48 because if they lose everything they're screwed right they also have offsite

72:51 backups they have like multiple layers of security so that to be able to take

72:55 them down you'd have to take down an off-site backup that's in the states two

72:59 things onsite like Dropbox style not

73:03 actually Dropbox but drop stop Dropbox style backups like all this kind of

73:06 stuff it's not going to happen that's important um and then they run antivirus

73:11 all over the place because it's important because their data is super important right is someone being able to

73:16 see that I have 800 hours on mowind super important probably not right okay

73:21 so I think it depends who you are well it looks like actually our our users are

73:25 pretty um pretty pretty safe they practice safe safe internet browsing so

73:31 30% of you are using realtime scanning and doing periodic cleanups with three

73:36 uh 12% of you doing periodic cleanups only about the same number doing

73:40 real-time scanning only and about 11% of you using no antivirus with the majority

73:45 of the respondents or at least more than any of the other replies uh asking me to

73:50 eat more banan it was hot um

73:53 unfortunately since a banan isn't a real thing I really can't do that so I I well

73:58 I appreciate the uh I appreciate the the thought though that was great you guys

74:03 are great okay so Intel's Sky Lake there

74:10 have been some leaked documental mations

74:13 this was posted on the Forum by querty Warrior the original article is from

74:17 Tech PowerUp and um basically it's 100

74:22 series it's going to be coming with DDR4 support it's going to be 14 nanm

74:27 processors and it's going to feature Alpine Ridge Thunderbolt running at 40

74:32 gbit per second man that's fast I'm kind of

74:37 surprised they're jumping into 100 series I see a lot of companies when

74:41 when they get to the top they just reset I'm okay with that yeah I don't

74:46 really mind it's just I'm I'm saying I'm just kind of surprised I mean AMD

74:49 switched over to an X but then Intel already has X whatever so yeah yeah what

74:55 you going to do painted yourselves into that corner didn't you so basically

75:00 compared to uh compared to uh Haswell Haswell refresh and Broadwell and to be

75:05 clear guys Haswell refresh is not a significant change over Haswell it's

75:10 just like slightly faster um sat Express

75:14 has been added uh if you if you take the

75:17 the the heat sink off of a z97 board it says Z87 rev 2 on it like it's not a big

75:22 deal but uh Broadwell is going to be a small generational change or uh rather

75:29 rather that'll be a significant generational change in terms of the manufacturing process and then beyond

75:34 that that's when we're getting a new architecture so that'll be Sky Lake and

75:38 that's coming in 2015 I'm actually curious to see when Broadwell is going

75:42 to arrive I guess that could be coming very soon then huh I don't know Intel

75:48 doesn't really tell me anything they just sort of like stuff arrives and I'm

75:51 like Yay cool um let's let's like let's like check it out so it's going to have

75:56 a whole bunch of really cool stuff so they're going to have much improved

75:59 Wireless they're going to have much improved Thunderbolt and they are also

76:04 going to have hopefully much improved CPUs so this whole road map has been

76:10 leaked I guess that's really all I have to say about that isn't it yeah there's

76:15 there honestly there isn't a ton of information right now yeah so yeah take

76:20 that and do whatever you want 2015 is exciting you know yeah even if it's late

76:24 2015 I guess if we got like a very late 2014 Broadwell then a late 2015 Skylight

76:31 could make sense yep and that's uh that's actually pretty in line with some

76:34 of the estimates we saw on that Thunderbolt 40 gbit per second article

76:38 that came out a little while ago oh that makes sense yeah so the timing is

76:41 probably about right now I I think we should straw pull this because something

76:45 that you talked about before the show uh that had to do with kitaku the next

76:49 article you're doing I want to see why people care or maybe uh Twitter Blitz

76:54 Twitter yeah okay so um there there was

76:57 a so this was posted on the Forum by top war gamer thank you very much for that

77:01 CEO Bobby KK has revealed that

77:04 Activision is spending 500 million to

77:08 try and make Destiny a hit that's half a billion which is a little less than

77:13 double the unprecedented over quarter billion

77:17 dollars that Rockstar paid to get GTA 5 made um there I saw quite a few people

77:23 attacking the article saying that because it's on Kotaku it's therefore uh

77:28 completely not credible and completely stupid but I would like to hear from I

77:33 would like to hear from our our users maybe uh I'll create a straw pull here

77:37 pretty quick here guys and then uh is Kotaku because

77:42 honestly a lot of the stuff I've read on there like no one's right 100% of the

77:46 time but a lot of the stuff I've read on there has turned out to be perfectly

77:50 fine I I I have no idea it's possible

77:53 that we missed something yeah that's totally possible like was there a huge

77:57 controversy like that whole I don't know uh what was it LA Times Tesla review

78:02 thing I think it was the LA Times Tesla review Washington Post talking about

78:06 Oculus Washington Post Tesla review well uh I'm not sure there was someone I

78:10 think it might have been more than one group actually for Tesla uh all New York Times sorry it was

78:17 New York Times uh they eventually apologized for that and all that noise

78:20 so so maybe they maybe Kotaku has done some stuff that neither of us is aware

78:24 of of yeah for sure yes

78:27 no what's

78:35 Kotaku okay so I'm going to go ahead and allow multiple choices if you're going

78:39 to have that on the poll no people have

78:42 to pick one it's just going to be skewed now can you imagine if like political

78:47 elections had multiple choices I would actually be more incentivized to vote me

78:52 too actually cuz if I could just say I don't care have multiple choices they

78:56 should have multiple choices cuz you could be like I don't care but these

78:59 ones like any one of these ones is okay because then you wouldn't have to worry

79:03 about the vote getting split between and

79:06 then that would probably help the whole two- party system thing anyways we probably shouldn't talk about politics

79:10 yeah we probably shouldn't talk about politics I'm sure there's a good reason that uh we don't allow multiple

79:16 choice yeah I actually can't think of one but maybe it's because like the the

79:21 real flaw in a multiple choice test for example is that someone can just guess

79:26 and still get a passing grade whereas on a political on an election ballot

79:31 there's no right answer so it's inherently flawed multiple

79:35 choice doesn't address that by giving us the possibility to get it right maybe

79:40 that's the issue what I'm just I'm just Mak it's like that doesn't make any

79:49 sense there's no it's called W show not

79:53 not W's show weekly analysis news and

80:00 sense I think with analysis people kind of assume that there's going to be some

80:04 amount of sense they could but they'd be I mean look at they're voting for

80:09 bananas that's because you didn't put multiple choice on this poll I don't

80:13 have and you put a question I don't have to put anything on my PO you put a

80:16 question mark I don't have to put anything on my poll that I don't want

80:22 to wow let me make the

80:28 polls are you making a poll right now

80:32 maybe no one will know they can't see my screen or what's behind my

80:37 screen this show is the best this show

80:43 speaking of things that are the best this is

80:46 fantastic fantastic posted on the Forum originally by uh

80:53 L3 MO black Moses that makes more sense post

80:57 originally on the Forum by black Moses the smartest protest ever what do we got

81:04 the smartest protest ever yeah am I in the wrong section right now no

81:09 no fast L subscribers I thought we were in a different thing we're talking about

81:13 net neutrality yeah but there's a total okay anyways there's two topics about

81:18 net neutrality I thought you entered that one I thought you talking about

81:21 this one yeah that is the one I was talking about where did that go oh that

81:24 looked at the wrong article that's why I was like what okay this makes more sense

81:29 okay so back to this okay go okay so what they're doing is well this web host

81:35 and I think I think there's now a GitHub that has the code for it so other people

81:39 can implement it and all this kind of stuff um but what they're doing is they're making it so that different IPS

81:43 that access their website that are from the FCC are getting incredibly slow

81:48 traffic so like 28.8 dial up not even

81:52 the fastest dialup that we had like dial up yeah so like if you try if FCC tries

81:57 to access their website it'll go that slow um I think it's kind of cool and

82:01 it's clever but I don't think it's going to matter unless like Google does it

82:05 it's well it's not going to matter unless Google does it but it's not really the point the point is I I get it

82:10 and it's cool and it it does drive a point and it's very interesting so it's

82:14 it's the we've got the feni plan or fangi I can never remember I'm not a

82:18 Star Trek guy the feni plan is a special FCC only internet plan that costs $1,000

82:23 per year and removes the 28.8 kilobit per second modem throttle to the FCC we

82:28 will happily take credit cards Bitcoin Dogecoin and Dogecoin from crooked FCC

82:33 Executives that probably have plenty of money from bribes on our donations page

82:36 sorry we don't accept ltin them yet so

82:39 obviously the whole thing is just purely a joke but the point is that net

82:43 neutrality is important because it will prevent situations where an ISP can hold

82:50 your internet connection or your the speed with which you can connect to

82:53 certain Serv Ransom unless you're willing to pay them more money for it and the problem with

83:00 with them holding let's say let's say I'm I'm Luke's internet service provider

83:04 and I go you know what Luke I probably don't like you we live in Canada you all

83:09 suck well whatever man you're stuck here

83:12 what are you g to do leave leave Canada Canada's Great for all kinds of other reasons you can deal with crappy

83:16 internet okay so look dude you play a lot of games you watch a lot of twitch

83:20 streams twitch streams man they use a lot of bandwidth that means we got to go

83:24 buy like switches and crap and like you know those switches are really expensive

83:29 look don't worry about that those switches are really expensive so we need

83:32 you to give us some money to you know justify buy another football stadium

83:36 because you're because you're a heavy user okay you're putting more of a load

83:40 call Fat you're putting more of a load on our system that's a fat joke than the

83:45 other users okay so the problem is that then Mr ISP gets to extract a bunch of

83:49 money from him because you go okay look if you want to access twitch fast we can

83:53 give you like a fast lane for that because otherwise in the background I

83:57 could be slowing down as twitch stream and we see this all the time you can go

84:00 do a speed test tomorrow and it'll have like a great speed and then you go and

84:04 try to load a YouTube video or watch a movie on Netflix and you've got this

84:07 degraded internet experience so I'm I'm I'm telling Mr user I'm like look okay

84:12 yeah you want fast twitch yeah sure no problem man just give us a couple more

84:15 bucks and then I'm going to turn around and I'm going to tell twitch hey you

84:19 guys are putting a bunch of load on our network with all of our users

84:22 downloading your streams you got to give us money to and so all of a sudden we

84:26 create this situation where the isps can double dip and just take additional

84:30 money to build infrastructure that they should have built in the first place

84:34 which they got paid to build in the first place if you're in the states and

84:37 two which they don't need they're so

84:40 baller when when it's at the point where like the only people that are buying

84:44 these stupid Investments which is putting your name in front of a sports

84:48 Stadium they're all isps or like cell

84:51 providers are you kidding me it's because they're just rolling in money

84:56 it's super dumb they don't need any more

84:59 money anyways I do like the protest though I think it's pretty cool I think

85:03 it's fantastic I think it really makes a point to people who maybe just don't

85:09 care enough maybe they just don't care enough to to look into it like I mean

85:14 you know what let's all be honest with ourselves do you do 100% the best job

85:20 you possibly can at work every day do you do 100% of the due diligence

85:26 maybe a few of you do some of you this is a really awkward position for me

85:30 right now probably don't I'm not asking you the point I'm not even creating a

85:33 poll for this I'm just I'm just asking you guys to ask yourselves you know do

85:38 you do whether your job is to dig ditches or to cook food or to serve food

85:43 or to make internet videos or to drive a truck or whatever your job is there's

85:48 the thousands and thousands of jobs do you do it the best every day maybe not

85:54 so maybe maybe what we're what we just need to do is we need to wake up someone

85:58 who's been asleep at the wheel a little bit and go hey can you create some Havoc

86:02 internally over there and like get some attention around this and this is the kind of protest that's does more than

86:07 just create noise because emails are easy to ignore Facebook polls or

86:12 protests or whatever you just ignore that crap because it's just stupid it's

86:16 not relevant whereas when someone goes to access the internet and it's slow and

86:21 they go oh why is it slow you're starting the

86:24 the the inquisitive process I was going to say Inquisition that's not right

86:29 you're starting the inquisitive process you're getting them wondering what's going on and once they understand what's

86:34 going on hey well someone's slowing down my internet why are they doing that my internet should be fast right and then

86:39 we can hope that the light bulb turns on so I really I thought this was a really

86:42 effective way to get that point across and I hope it works yeah I know it is really cool

86:46 actually um oh I wasn't even aware of this this is interesting uh there's

86:51 apparently some new graphics card coming

86:54 power color oh yeah has a new Devil 13

86:57 this one has um no it's post by brown ninja so I'm sure it'll be in the post

87:01 somewhere um but it has like the Nemo fin thing where the fan has the little

87:05 fins in there is this that one let's go see yeah see the little tiny pins on the

87:10 inside it also has four eight pin power connections four eight pin you'll see if

87:15 you keep on going down there's the yeah I knew it'd be in here somewhere there

87:18 boom look at that

87:21 boom it's just a monstrous card so they ditched the whole AO idea air cooled air

87:27 cooled rather wow four eight pins triple slot four eight pins what the heck the

87:32 thing is ridiculous only three of those four are required so if you want a

87:37 little bit of extra overclocking Headroom you can plug in the

87:40 fourth and wow look at the back plate I

87:43 like it it's actually pretty cool yeah looks badass yeah double 13

87:50 huh someone in the comments somewhere on here I don't remember where it was was

87:54 like so one eight pin for the GPU and

87:57 then one for each fan for

88:01 each can't remember exactly how he said it but it was awesome them Nemo fans

88:05 when you got little fins like that you got to like work it takes a full eight

88:09 pin for each one of those fans guys yeah get it right geez yeah that's kind

88:14 of awesome should we jump into build logs um yeah sure I think that's pretty

88:18 much it I think I'm I'm pretty much done for the week so here we go we have

88:22 something really special after build vogs guys so do we yeah we do do I know

88:27 about it I told you before the show that doesn't mean I

88:30 know so the first one is oh do I have

88:33 office on here I hope so I hope so too it looks fine oh I have some kind of

88:39 office oh I want to try it for a limited

88:42 time oh

88:46 no not good it looks fine though I think

88:51 wow all the tabs no one can see what's going on hey everyone hey guys sorry

88:57 where did it go it's here wow I'm

89:00 tired there we go well it looks

89:04 okay view either way every single time

89:07 we do the build logs every single build log I talk about I'm like you should

89:11 probably just go check it out the Forum so you can see everything so do that again check out these guys full build

89:15 logs where they have tons of pictures you can see everything about you can go to the voting thread and see everyone

89:20 who submitted there's some guys that submitted that had really nice builds

89:24 um the thing with having build logs per the week is there isn't enough and the

89:27 thing with having build logs per the month is there's a lot of really awesome

89:31 ones and they don't all get through so be sure to check out the voting thread

89:34 because you can see everything this build is super clean the hard tubing

89:39 really really popular thing lately and I'm okay with that that looks fantastic

89:45 yeah very cool absolutely beautiful but I while

89:49 while this one is really nice and very clean I personally appreciate the next

89:53 one a little bit more more you know I haven't seen many great builds in the

89:58 900d now that I think about it it's like yeah it's big and it's like liquid

90:02 cooling optimized but it almost seems like Corsair took the challenge out of

90:05 it a little bit for people by making it too easy to do a great buildin so I

90:09 think a lot of people were turned off by that that's just my perception it's also

90:13 extremely big and really heavy yeah but uh this one this one's bad do the call

90:19 thing oh sorry sorry sorry so this one is Portal Cube by

90:25 I don't know look at that that's fantastic it looks better if you see it

90:29 not on the stream and not like converted in like 16 color mode yeah um so there's

90:35 uh there's a power supply on the bottom there's ITX there and then you can go

90:39 ahead and check out all of the different photos of it so we should probably post

90:43 a link to the build log section I'm just going to track that down or if you want

90:46 to post gra if you jump on the next one on your screen I'll post the thing in

90:51 the chat work on that sure we got an honorable mention here guys project

90:55 Affinity do you remember now nope this is the computer that people I believe

91:00 built and distributed to lenois oh cool

91:04 yeah so a bunch of people on The Forum I think it's a mainly people from the um

91:10 unofficial TeamSpeak y all got together built this computer got him a whole

91:14 bunch of games this is a list of games that he got wow that's more games than I

91:17 own no well it's more games than I play

91:21 yes that is true and and like nice ones

91:25 Battlefield 4 Star Citizen like big not just like oh

91:30 we bought a humble Indy bundle like this oh my God they got them secret of the

91:33 magic crystals that's a game about ponies um well yeah it is

91:40 lenoi so over 10 community members

91:45 contributed and this is just a really cool a really cool example of the

91:49 community coming together and supporting each other I mean if you guys aren't

91:53 already members of the lest Tech tips.com Forum you probably should be I

91:58 mean this is just a small subset of like

92:02 the super cool guys and gals that make up the community here so you know we uh

92:07 we appreciate everyone just being part of it we think it's really really

92:10 awesome so I think uh that's probably all I have to say about that yeah what's

92:15 up with this stuff I'm not going to do these today oh I this is a company Kito

92:19 that uh they they asked if I wanted to review the Kito pop Andor the Kito

92:25 classic these are some SmartWatches that I think actually um are pretty unique

92:29 and that particularly the pop tries to make the smartness like like by Design

92:35 it's not that smart so instead of having a screen it's it's just an analog watch

92:41 instead of having a screen that's like blah blah blah read your text messages

92:45 reply to your text messages talking to your wrist um it just flashes hey that

92:50 notification you got was uh text or it was an email or it was was an instant

92:54 messaging thing and it just tells you sort of what kind of notification it was

92:59 and then the classic has an analog face and then it actually does go into a

93:04 little bit more detail in terms of what types of messages you got so it gives

93:07 you battery indication and then you can read your messages on it as well and it

93:11 actually looks quite nice so I was like okay well I can't promise a review

93:15 because I've never heard of you before and I don't know if it's any good but

93:18 you know if it's fantastic I'll do a review and what I'll definitely do is try out the products and talk about them

93:22 on the W show so that's going be coming sometime in the next week or two all

93:26 right I think that's about it so okay so

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93:49 days you know what when the sponsorship is over and I don't need that notebook

93:54 for you to use it anymore maybe I'll just break it no you're going to hold up

93:59 Jay-Z I'm going to be like this is what I think of Jay-Z actually I don't think

94:02 anything negative about Jay-Z I'm sure he's a perfectly nice gentleman I mean

94:05 this picture is he seems very friendly in that picture yeah he looks really friendly in that picture yeah I don't he

94:10 doesn't I don't know why anyone would be scared I wouldn't be no n not

94:15 threatening at all I think we're done here