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that's it we got to hold out on them apple is rumored to be buying Beats
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match made in heaven a marriage of
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let's wait we'll get giv too much
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too much information that bowel movement that I
had before we started the show wow I might have heard that anyways
uh Amazon patents taking photos against a white background and then intro time
no you forgot about the Oculus thing I just said that how could you forget
Oculus I just said that I didn't hear it
what I said I said what I said Oculus R have bird stimulator if I didn't all the
information it's not like you have a dash I'm going to give too much
information that was what that led into that whole thing oh that makes sense
okay you never set up the intro did you oh yeah I did
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handles or I lost track of what we were talking about okay so let's move into
our first topic which is just
unbelievable so this was originally posted on the Forum by pit
5,000 and Amazon has allegedly um made
it so that lonus didn't plug in his notebook before they started the stream
so he's GNA have to go ahead and just pray to the technology gods that
this is going to that's not good really terrible not
sure what happened there why why the why the sound let's try that one more time I
apologize sincerely to our lovely viewers who did not want to hear that
HDMI oh the title of the show is wrong
thank you for that Nick we actually have a new guy Nick who is responsible for
reminding me of things that are uh that should have been done yes I'm really
sorry about uh about that noise I
apologize uh did it update are we good are we it
was like er I was like okay do it again
thank you twist you are so awesome I
love you okay well that's better all right so pit 5000 posts uh this is great
an article that originally appeared on gizmodo.com about Amazon's revolutionary
new patent taking photos on a white background now to be clear this isn't
pure patent troll asshattery yeah it's
just mostly patent Troll asshattery And
to be clear patent troll mostly refers
to when the company uses their patents
to be aggressive about things and attack people to attack others and really the
thing the funniest thing about this patent to me is not that Amazon filed
for it or that it was granted but that no I don't know what
I'm least surprised that they filed for it CU big companies just file for
everything just to see if they can make something stick I'm extremely surprised
it was ever granted and I'm sure they are too but there's some specific
interesting things they go down into specifics on the level of how much
wattage the lights use um what ISO your
camera has to be at what f-stop your camera has to be at here's a diagram
exact positioning of all the lights and all the cameras like it's insanely
specific um if you go yeah you can see some it here and if you go to the um the
the Second Source in the dock you can actually scroll down and then see all
the crazy specifics that are on there so the Second Source right there yeah so
here's the actual uh office here I'm
just going to switch over there so I mean okay I guess the thing that
surprises me here these are all the crazy spefic yeah so we're in the second
rear light source is further positioned at a distance above the floor that is about 1.5 to 2.5 times the first
distance and oriented at a downward relative to the floor and it's like this
entire thing so you know what no the
thing that surprises me is that Amazon filed for this yeah as opposed to that
it was granted because it's specific enough basically the idea is that Amazon
doesn't want to waste resources and really no one does they don't want to
waste resources touching things up in post processing we waste a fair bit of
time around here using a green screen because when you have a green screen if
the lights aren't exactly the same that time or the actor stands a little bit
further back or further forward or whatever the case may be you can end up
with a situation where you have to touch it up and you have to tweak it in order to get it to look right Amazon be able
to tell because the pixels that's right Amazon's technique requires no touchups
and that's what they're patenting they're patenting a perfect technique
for taking photos on a white background so that no touch-ups are required so I
can kind of see why it would be granted the thing I don't understand is why
Amazon bothered to file it because of two things number
one is that by filing this extremely detailed patent all they've effectively
done is given anyone and their dog the
ability to replicate their supposed perfect technique that has never been
done before yeah for taking perfect product photos the other thing is that
they could never prove that anyone reading this patent and replicating
their exact technique used it someone
could just say oh well no I had the pedestal slightly lower it was at 39.5
degrees like there's there's so many very specific things that you could
change by a very small amount and then Dodge the pet so I I don't understand
the point of
it maybe you guys can enlighten me you
know what Twitter Blitz um obviously I
know you I don't need to see the usual rant about how the P system is
flawed we know we all everyone knows that it's terrible and this honestly
this is going to help that case a lot yeah because like this is ridiculous I
mean it is ridiculous but with some of the stuff that we've seen get through it
doesn't surprise me that it got approved but I would like to hear you guys say
you know does this seem like the kind of thing that Amazon should have even
bothered with or does it seem like the kind of thing that
they well yeah I that's there's only
really one answer here isn't there you know what random Twitter Blitz hit us up
on at Linus and let us know something
anything we love you guys we just want to hear from you you never
call oh how funny that it's Mother's Day
coming up and that's the first thing on your mind I
was before I was like just there guilty conscience I've been to my parents house
twice conscience the week's not even over I tried to go visit my mom but she
was too busy with her grandson at the pond to take her phone with her so I sat
in the parking lot at their apartment building for an hour I was able to make
good use of the time I switched over from the 1 M8 to the 5S so bam when's
your review coming from thanks to my mom I'm an Apple user again uh it's going to
be coming probably not this weekend but next weekend is the plan so I'll be
doing like a retrospective um what it was like being
an iOS user and then an Android User now iOS user again but I'll spoil the ending
for you guys I am switching back to the 1 M8 oh um so that that's going to
happen what I'd really like to do is give the Moto X a longer try because I
only really used it for my review and I didn't use it for as long as I would
have liked so he's borrowing the Moto X because he can't keep his phones in one
place or not broken but I'd like to give the Moto X another shot and then I'll
probably end up on the one made again um
speaking of one thing I like about the Moto X yes um is that you know I don't
know if the 1 M8 can do this but I found a lot of Android phones the Okay Google
thing doesn't really work Siri is amazing okay with with Moto
X you can just say Okay Google and it'll start working oh yeah yeah yeah that's
unique yeah yeah but like uh why isn't
that on everything Siri is amazing I've
never used it so get this I didn't even know if it could do this the thing about
Google Google now is that you have to kind of like Google what it can do and
then you have to like remember what it can do it's not intuitive
last night I set an alarm for 8:30 and I
was like my wife was like you're not going to get up at 8:30 I was like no no
I'm going to get up at 8:30 she's like you're not going to get up at 8:30 I'm
going to wake up I'm not going to be able to go back to sleep and you're not
going to get up till 9 so set your alarm till 9: and I was like motivate me and
so I set my alarm to 9 and um so all I
had to do is be like tomorrow's alarm for 8:30 change it to 9:00 or something
along those lines like in my vernacular I just told it what to do and it's like
okay I changed that for you and like I didn't even believe it I just I like I I
had to double I don't think you could do that with cool now and I was just like
holy crap Google has and I think you
could do it in two steps I think you could remove the alarm and then you could create a new one but it's not it's
not as elegant and like Google's voice calling is
ridiculous it's stupid voice calling
what you mean yeah if you're like call whoever mobile it's like
would you like to call this yes I just said that would you like to call home Mo
yes I just said that Apple would you
call my wife mobile calling Mobile
ringing the only people I really call are in my favorite favorites anyways so
it's almost faster for me to just be like click on phone click on person but
like driving and stuff yeah yeah like I have reasons that I cuz normally yeah
I'll I'll down and there are things that I miss about Android like Apple doesn't
have uh T9 dialing which is awesome yeah
like head explode awesome the first time I saw it um and that's how I dial most
of the time but Siri is so much easier to use than Google now that I just
absolutely love it I'm not super great with Google now so someone might um yeah
someone's probably tearing me apart because there's some exact way that you
can word it so that Google Now will understand you but I don't care that's
not a great user experience that's one thing even without using Siri that I've
been kind of able to pick up SP fox is like don't even start on S Voice well s
sorry go ahead no one cares um didn't they do a thing recently about like how
much people actually use the sa apps it
was like not at all I can't remember who did that I have
no Source I I just I think that happened no I missed that that sounds fantastic
though I already love it if you've ever seen her Siri seems more like the AI
operating systems in her Google Now seems more like the thing he's using
before that but like a really early version of it right cuz you can kind of
talk to Siri yep you can't really talk to Google Now if you try to talk to it
it'll just Google what you said I hate that so much it makes me so mad like no
I didn't want so mad I want you to Google something I would have said like
Google search and then what I wanted you know what well you know what pisses me
off most about Google now is I live in Su I live in a city I live in a city
called sui okay and so half the time I try to navigate anywhere it's like
something something Siri Siri whereas Siri knows what I'm talking
about it can tell the difference between Siri and Siri and that is impressive to
me all right so that actually LED in really well to uh a couple of topics
here so number one was oh balls where is
it what yes Stephen Hawkings says AI
could be our worst nightmare you were talking about a very bad quote
um worst mistake in history or something
yeah it because they're grabbing like the second half of it it's it could be
like their it could be the best thing or it could be the worst mistake yeah so so
fortunately minimalist the uh gent who posted this or lady who posted this on
the Forum has the actual quote which is
sort of blah blah blah blah blah it's good saying it could be the most
significant thing to ever happen in human history as it's oh no wait no no
he didn't oh B all right so we'll have to go here could be our worst mistake in
history but that is a very sensationalist
headline ah okay forget it Luke already
covered it pretty well so the idea is that what he actually said is that it
could be the greatest thing ever or it could also be our worst mistake because
we can't predict what here it is um
although we are facing potentially the best or worst thing to happen in human
in to happen to humanity in history so they grabbed like like the second half
of a sentence then we're like oh my God but what he actually said was best or
worst and I'm going to post this I'm going to post this link in the twitch
chat because that's something that we should always do in general yeah and um
you know what I was really I was proud of the internet today because I was
reading this article and I was like oh great article but you know I wonder what
people think about it it's got like a bajillion comments under it George
dorski here actually posted like a
cogent and well structured and
respectful sort of disagreement with what everyone else is saying that I
really quite enjoyed reading or maybe that's not the right one oh crap hold on
which one was it um those those look like a lot of
very wellth thought out replies which is not very common I thought that was the
article that you're reading through this is the one this one's right George dori's thing is absolutely awesome and
he kind of talks about how I think that's I think that's PV talking to
George oh to okay PV PV you are the man
or woman because that is that is that is a great response and it just kind of
talks about how a lot of the fear that people have of AI is is based on the
assumption that AI would behave the way that humans do and that it would
perceive a lesser a lesser being as
something it has to crush or has to destroy and gives he kind of outlines
three likely scenarios so SC scario a
which is that the AI attempts to destroy Humanity scenario B that the AI attempts
to help humanity and scenario C that it just does nothing at all and the
argument that AI would probably choose option C or option b without us noticing
so a combination of the two seems most likely if a computer were to operate
from a purely logical perspective what does it stand to gain destroying us
really well probably a better environment a better environment for
what it's metal it's not like it's going to take up space but it needs to be able
to gain electricity if it had solar electricity we could possibly pollute
the guy or ruin things
right if its only goal is gaining electricity we are organisms that are
using electricity as well so if it got rid of us then it could use all the electricity which assumes that it needs
more electricity which assumes that it needs more there's a yeah I don't know I
haven't even read this I'm just throwing in Devil's advocacy so yeah I mean so so
anyway this writer makes a very very strong argument for it probably doing
nothing that's and honestly that's kind of my side of it as well is because we
we would pretty much have to program in the like hate for us for that to even
happen or not I mean because I mean the whole the whole thing the whole AI thing
is that it can learn is that it can learn and it can come up with its own
ideas and if that idea happens to be a way to improve itself or to manipulate
people to you know improve it or whatever else the case may be I suspect
a very smart being would want to do all that without being
noticed that's all yeah all right so and
that actually LED really well into one of our oh you know what let's do our
Twitter Blitz and then we'll move into one of the other things that uh LED
pretty well into one of our topics here which was Samsung's head of mobile
design resigns after the Galaxy S 5's poor reception so uh I actually I I I
definitely I you know Samsung's one of those companies that just I don't know
what it is but they're pretty fun to beat up um you know like I I love a lot
of things about them but other times they just make me make me want to shake
my head and cry all right so Mark says Linus why do you use IE uh because this
is a fresh OS and ie is what I'm logged
into everything with there's on that computer I know but I'm not logged into
everything I'm lazy don't forget the outro this time thank you Joey oh here's
lonus in his Lambo where is that picture picture whenever anyone photoshops
anything that's always the picture of you that they use this picture yeah um
it is from a thumbnail on an ancient ncx
Tech tips outside of the old NCI like before you you don't have it on any
profiles or anything anymore I used to have it on my first Google Plus profile
so like how is anyways I just I see it so often this is see you can tell the
quality of this one is quite poor yeah so this could have been pulled from
someone else putting it somewhere oh okay so I think that's how things spread
on the that makes sense yeah um as the patent is so specific it's fairly
worthless not like that covers everything related Apple ones exactly
and that is exactly my point why they even bother how is it even worth the
thousands of dollars that it cost to file a patent yeah all they're doing is
revealing how I could go and build that studio tomorrow thank you Amazon not
that I'm going to do that of course not cuz we use might do something similar
but yeah we could do it with green instead of white yeah when is the NCIX
ultimate Nas setup video coming uh at some point I'm not sure it's up to
Wheels over there and why no guests in when quite frankly because I'm lazy
Intel z97 is out with Haswell refresh coming on Sunday I've never understood
why Intel does this or AMD for that matter where they launch a chipset
without a CPU or vice versa um so I mean
we have like a literal stack of z97 boards that I haven't even looked at
because why would I even bought B benchmarking them with non Haswell
refresh chips I don't understand so
we'll wait until some Haswell refresh stuff lands and then we'll uh we'll get
on that for you guys okay did you know about boink
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boink team is so David Cooper says if you make a great AI someone will
eventually tell it to do something evil but that assumes the AI can't think for
itself which it can because listen to anyone awesome Jake plush thank you Rob
says I just ordered some i8s thanks to the recommendation and yes I use the
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are awesome yeah I still use them every
day I love them they're fantastic I used iPhone 4 my experience was very
disappointing I was since I switched then but I but I may test the iPhone 6
I'm really interested to see what Apple does with iPhone 6 if you don't think
five days oh oh this is a tweet in
response to something that I was talking about on Twitter last night where
OnePlus offered me a 5day laner unit of
the OnePlus One and I basically told them forget it because what I can do is
like I'll play around with it for five days and then I can talk about it on WOW
but I'm not going to do a review because quite frankly the our review of the 1 M8
which I think represents the very best that I can do at least right now in
terms of a phone review our review of the 1 M8 took me well over a week just
to to use the phone and make notes on and prepare and then like obviously it
wasn't a week dedicated to just that I was making other videos throughout that
week but everything's kind of like that where I'll spend a week with it parttime
and and I'll be making notes as I go then it took me hours to compile into a
full script hours to shoot and then it
took a full day for one of my editors to edit so I'm sitting there going okay so
you're going to give me five days with this what I'm going to rush my
review all in the name of I can play with a phone for five days well sorry
what's in this for me what's in this for my viewers why am I doing this even like
our phone reviews actually started off with monthlong trials that was the whole
thing with us starting phone reviews and then even with the Tegra Note which I
didn't even do a ton on I had it for uh slightly over a week and on the
Saturday during that week I spent literally the entire day doing nothing
else except for playing with the tablet so yeah so that's kind of the idea we
don't necessarily do the spec heavy reviews that other guys do or the
benchmarks that they do we focus on what it's like to actually use the bloody
thing I noticed I never got the Tegra Note back it's
doing Ah that's right oh we have a really cool video coming soon there's a
product that claims to use UV light to
clean your phone at night so we actually we got like real Petri dishes and stuff
and like did swabs and stuff so we're going to let you guys know if that works
that's coming really soon that was like immediately after my I I remember that
now I thought you were stealing company property again why Wherever Would I get
that idea Wherever Would I get that idea I'm like you all right so let's uh move
on to our next topic here Samsung's head of mobile design resigns after Galaxy
S5s Pooh reception it's funny where that got cut off on the
page it's cuz he's zoomed in too much there we go
poor I mean it's pretty accurate in terms of parties what would a pooh
reception be hopefully not fondu hopefully not
fondu a
a I was trying to of some way to spin it well and then I was like well it could
be like a fond do thing and I was like that's actually really disgusting that's
actually a lot worse um so
anyway so so follow posted originally on
the Forum by etj um so he he has resigned following
criticism about the Galaxy S5s uh lack of thank you for using a
word that I actually don't know how to pronounce appreciate that B egj so
though the Galaxy S 5's design did not actually deviate too far from earlier
models it's looks and textured plastic back where round were roundly I'm not
even reading this anymore you're from like the UK and you're writing it wrong
so basically reviewers didn't like the build quality they didn't like the
backing material I don't know what people didn't like about the backing material I liked it it's different it's
easier to grip I'm not against it yeah like I actually quite like the backing
of the Galaxy S5 it's one of the things I did like about it cuz I like TouchWiz
that's for sure I I mean honestly I think the criticism of the S5 is less
about the S5 not being a solid incremental Improvement honestly the
build quality feels a lot better than the S4 to me it has less Flex in it by
far it's waterproof and or water resistant rather and all that stuff but
I think it's more to do with the phone Community getting bored and not actually
recognizing their own boredom for what
it is they're it's harder for them to find things to get excited about
compared to in the past when there were so many amazing new Innovations coming
with every new smartphone and we've talked about this a fair bit on the show
but it's kind of like PC enthusiasts saying you know uh MSI or ASUS's or
whoever's new motherboard isn't exciting therefore it sucks well really it's just
mature now and it's not changing much anymore and you're just not into it that
much anymore and and I think people are not recognizing that they're losing the
interest maybe not in the software side I think there's still a lot of
innovation to happen on the software side of things but in terms of the
hardware we've all basically Consolidated down to you know an iPhone
one of various sizes or shapes yeah that's very very similar one one thing
that I like like every single time we bring this up I bring up LG because they
did move the buttons to the back like there is things you can do with layout
and stuff um that still has been untried yet and there's going to be things like
virtual keyboards and stuff that people are going to be working on but it's not going to be like major drastic
gamechanging things on every single phone
release so that's um so that's that's
what I think this is I mean um you know despite the perceived lack of beauty
Samsung managed to sell 86 million smartphones in Q4 last year uh widening
it lead over Apple but Samsung is apparently struggling to make a profit
on its phone thanks in part to I hate the way this is written anyway
they spend a lot on marketing so that's uh that's costing them a lot um I guess
that's all there is to really say about that is I I think it's just people not
being excited about the phones in general and not that Samsung is
particularly doing anything wrong I mean um I I mean they are doing things wrong
but they're not doing anything really new wrong like they're still they're
still making Touch wiz for old people
which I like I don't know how to fix something like that that because when
you've when you've cornered the market on old people who can't see their screens very well it's not like you want
to go ahead and change all your UI elements and make them small but you
could you could have like a scaling option or something yeah you could have scaling that works better I guess that
that's an option um all right so I was
looking for a segue here and I've got nothing but this is absolutely brutal I
mean when I first heard about this I um
I was kind of sitting there going well geez I hope this doesn't go any where
because we review things and sometimes we say negative things about them so you
you were actually looking into this a fair bit I thought do you want to cover this one I've done a lot of talking was
but I don't know where it's really going to go Amazon asked them really hardcore
really quickly you're skipping to the ending you haven't told them what
happened yet I I don't like okay so someone someone um posted a review and
then Media Bridge fre freaked out um people are saying that Media Bridge has
had falsified or reviews in the past and then this one crazy flammatory review
was really bad Media Bridge came back saying that oh you cost all these people
jobs and all this kind of stuff by posting this review and it's flammatory
so we're going to go after you um I'm
not exactly what sure happened between them at that point but then Amazon asks
them completely they cannot sell through Amazon anymore uh I believe that still
does mean that other sellers through
Amazon could sell their products right but they can't sell as an Amazon product
which will probably hurt them a lot because I know at least me I know there's people that don't care but
personally if I'm buying something off Amazon it has to come from Amazon or
else why am I buying it off Amazon oh I just buy stuff off of Amazon Marketplace
all the time the reason is that Amazon Market Place um means you have Amazon's
customer service as a protective I've tried that before didn't really work
really oh I they were like yeah we can't really do much it's not us I was like
okay oh wow yeah that's why I personally only do it through Amazon I have done it
example I have done it before right and it totally didn't work out at all I
bought an old school game and it came in the box and stuff and it was a really
good price and I ordered online and I've
never really liked ordering old school games online because it's very possible
like the the game store that I buy from locally they have like a nday return
thing so you can go home make sure the game actually works because it's probably ancient and then if it doesn't
work you get your money back online that can be part of kind of an issue right
right sometimes it's not even worth the cost of shipping it back yeah it it
depends this time it didn't work and I was like okay well I want my money back
because it was a nice inbox game and it did cost a little bit of money and they
weren't responding so I went to Amazon customer service and they were like well
huh I don't know well there you go okay well you learn something every day so
basically so the what it looked like was going to happen here at first was that
just you know a guy posted a negative
review where I okay the negative review did contain some pretty specific
criticisms of uh of Media Bridge media
link and that was that it was a just a rebadged router which honestly a lot of
consumers think that that's a really big deal it's not most things that you're
going to be buying are actually rebadged have you ever bought you know like and
it depends on how you even want to Define like rebadged have you ever
bought a deink wireless adapter because
it's just gonna have an AOS or Marvel
chipset on a PCB that's just going to be basically a reference design with some
plastic thing around it with a plastic thing is that a rebadge I don't know is
that an integrated a product from A supplier and that they sell to the
consumer probably I don't know so I mean
maybe it was a rebadge maybe it wasn't what the reviewer also said was that um
okay so said it was uh blah blah blah said that they had falsified other
reviews on Amazon in order to make their products seem better than they are which
is a pretty serious accusation and so if they were going to go after him for
liable then that would be potentially there would there potentially be a case
there and then um the problem though is
that what Media Bridge did is they came back saying you have harmed Media Bridge
we intend to hold you liable for all damages sustained they said he must
delete his negative product review on Amazon within 3 days of receiving the
letter stop all defamatory and injurious conduct where the company and agree
never to purchase or comment on a Media Bridge product again so uh the riewer
has actually since changed the review to remove the statements but um you know I
think that that's not
uh yeah this quote too the damage is
just kind of done at this point the quote about the REM the reviewer removing the statement is kind of
interesting because it goes exactly like this the reviewer has since changed his
review completely to remove the liist statements but unfortunately not before
having an Army attack us on the internet yeah this is from Media Bridge so they
they're they're basically accusing the reviewer of you know colluding with
other internet Denis to go and like
thumbs up the review because it was a big part of the problem for media link I
guess is that it was the most helpful negative review and honestly those are
the ones that people see the most helpful positive one the most helpful
negative one and it had a bunch of people thumbs it up saying it was
helpful so and like I sometimes I see
redit is just a pack of dogs that needs
something to go after all the time it could be positive it could be negative
it could be whatever and like maybe it just happened that there was no other
really super important super positive or super negative news at that point in
time and it hit Reddit right point in time they're just like ra because that
happens yeah definitely a thing it's funny they use the word Army because you
could probably describe the Reddit Community as an army sometimes you know
who that Army works for exactly we're not sure but
for the people in theory I guess but sometimes you know an army of the people
without you know clear leadership and a clear sort of Direction can just kind of
do things and whether they were wrong here or not actually hard to say I mean
it's possible that Media Bridge was totally off Bas it's possible that the
reviewer was totally off Bas and saying
things that just blatantly weren't true but then it's always better to
communicate with that person rather than having a lawyer do the communic yeah or
just prove them wrong yeah I mean that's the issue to me is when you when the
opening Salvo is do this or else cease
and desist or else the opening Salvo
should be hey um yo do you mind yeah
yeah and then if that's a problem well then you get the lawyers involved or
like talk to Amazon about their review service and try to bring up the whole
like oh well he posted like surprisingly positive reviews on other people's
things just to make ours look really bad look good and all that kind of stuff talk to Amazon about that um talk to him
try and prove that you're not rebadging even though that probably doesn't matter
try and prove all these other different things then you get posed as the good
person and then the Reddit Army Gets behind you instead of in front of you
good old Reddit Army all right so we've got our next
topic here and that is that the developers this is just H this is
interesting um this is terrible so the I think the official
post saying that he was actually taking it down wasn't even done by the original
developer let's see
here yeah yeah yeah it wasn't even done by the original developer it was done by
a guy that joined on and his agreement that was that he would make 15% of the
sales of towns MH so it it became not
worth it for him personally because Town sales were going down this isn't the
game even isn't even released yet but Town sales were going down so he wasn't
making enough money the original Creator ALS Al felt like he wasn't making enough
money although the game is worth how much and then it's selling 200,000 times
so that dude probably did actually make quite a bit of money um and in this post
they talk about how they're interested in making a sequel did you know that part okay we
haven't really given the audience any context did you sleep much last night
are you tired um no but it's pretty straightforward okay but we haven't told
it's an early access game that hasn't been released yet I saw that oh did you
yeah then I I haven't been sleep last night
it's like the second thing that you just straight up didn't
hear anyways it's it first launched on
Steam at the end of 2012 it's an in development game it's uh I think it's
through the Greenlight system that it was yeah it was one of the green lit
games um it's it's it's not out yet sold
200,000 copies has been abandoned and they're planning on releasing I mean the
original Dev abandoned it in February saying you know burned out handed it
over to uh Florian frankenberger and
then within a couple of months now it's not going well and development has been
completely abandoned I mean
um how do you fix this I don't know people have been talking about
contractual obligation to complete a game if it gets
greenlit so if you if you your complete mean yeah exactly I mean
ask yeah that's a good point it's it's
it's hard this is a problem with Early Access then we got that guy posting in
our forums um where taking this away is
going to hurt a massive amount of developers but then leaving this here is
going to hurt a massive amount of people well because there are the success stories with Early Access like Minecraft
Minecraft what an enormous success story and there's a lot of games that honestly
people are enjoying playing right now because they're honestly not that broken
and probably shouldn't be in beta or Early Access that are currently in Early
Access like I know rust a lot of people were playing rust and having no real
problems with it um now I there's a ton of bugs but don't worry about it um for
a long time and I I don't know if it's released now or not but like a lot of
people are playing it very actively there's a huge Community behind it and
it was fine it's it's going okay and there's a lot of games that are like
that um the guy that posted in our Forum I believe was for like robot dodgeball
or something robot disco dodgeball I saw them at PA East actually
um so yeah I don't I don't know how you
exactly fix this a big problem is what you just brought up whereas if you put
like a conat obligation where you have to release the game or have to complete
the game if you decide to abandon it you can just be like not Early Access
anymore now it's
done yeah maybe they can have something where there's like a minimum goal like
you have to have these amount of things in the game yeah but like how do you
define that I mean the C okay the the
lawyers involved in writing the contract
that I mean and think about the development process of anything like
what if what if lus Media Group what something changes a year and 4 and a
half months ago had been told to contractually commit to what kind of
videos we were going to do two years from now I mean the amount that what we
do has changed in that time and I mean any creative processes like that you
know like a a a game you might go okay we're going to have three campaigns and
three races and you might kind of go oh this is stupid starcraft's been made
already we're going to have six races or we're going to have two races or you
know whatever else happens to be as long as you don't just have one race Donald
then you know you're being very 21st century about it that's all I'm trying
to say and the point is that that that it can change so the kind of contract
that you would have to write to like spell it out in detail enough that they
would actually have to deliver something I don't know how to fix it it's impossible I mean the loyers the lawyers
would be happy with that Arrangement I'm sure yeah yeah one thing is like this is
this comes back to the kickstarter talk we were talking about a long time ago and something that you guys should
probably take a look at at if you're really interested in this is total biscuits video on Early Access um but
it's it's where like do your research make sure the guy that you're supporting
has like made a bunch of stuff Chris Roberts um hopefully it's a game Studio
there are entire game studios putting stuff up on uh Greenlight and on um
Kickstarter make sure that there's some sort of a background um it's I haven't
read enough into it but I've heard some people saying that the guy that made towns has a few failed in the past I
don't know if that's true I've just seen that in a few different places so like that's the kind of stuff you want to
look into it's an early access game you are gambling to a certain point you're
not you're not buying the game as is right now or if you are then you're
happy with it already and it doesn't matter but that's the that's the problem
is that people feel like when they pay for something they should get some like
here and it's the whole well they should they should that's the whole Kickstarter
problem is people perceive Kickstarter
as is like buying something but the
problem is that Kickstarter is more like a donation yeah cuz you're not buying
something because often times they don't actually have to deliver it or it
doesn't have to be very functional and then the other times um wait so oh right
right right so so and the other problem is that if it is really successful you
don't actually get a cut of it so it's not an investment and it's not a
purchase it's a donation to support someone who you think should make the
thing that you like like honestly guys I've got what I think is a fantastic
idea for a movie trailer that I want to make I think that lonus Media Group has
gotten to the point where we are capable of creating an awesome movie trailer we
are nowhere near capable of creating an
awesome movie they're really different very different things completely
different skill sets in a lot of ways but what we could easily do is we could
kickstart and that's the thing is a well-merchandised Kickstarter so we
could Kickstart support us to make this movie give us you know $100,000 or
whatever the case may be we could make a fantastic trailer spend 15 $20,000 on
that and then just you know buy ice
cream with the other $80,000 release a
movie that's like starring me and Luke and shot with like a phone
camera and we haven't actually done
anything illegal and like this ties in I think
I've told this story on the show before where I I've backed a lot of Kickstarter
projects most of them have been successful some of them have been glowingly successful to the point where
um the the the guy that's made yeah Pebble real companies are formed but
like some of the smaller ones that I've done where it is a company but now it's
like two or three people and it's been a
year and a half since I got my product in my hands for them like it's been a
long time they're still in contact with all of us um all the kickstarter backers
are getting huge discounts all the time just cuz they're like thank you you
allowed us to become a thing that's awesome and that's what you kind of Hope
happens from Kickstarter um and they they still allow us to put input in
towards projects that they're doing in the future and stuff like that which is really cool but that doesn't happen all
the time I have been completely screwed over I I bought into a Kickstarter the
guy didn't post updates forever and then was randomly like yep nope I didn't do
anything and I'm not going to do anything so nope like 100% And then he's like oh
apparently I have to give refunds so give me your information and then no
update and then months later he's like well I'm doing the refunds today no one
got them and then radio silence since then I don't ever expect to get that
money back because and you know what's really stupid is some of the
kickstarters I've seen fail are even things as stupid as like playing
cards they just flat out didn't make
it's like really what did you spend the money on and you know a lot of the time
I think it's on like a posh office and like a nice new computer to put on their
fancy desk when really and it it
frustrates me the way a lot of startups behave like they already are making the
money as opposed to figuring out how to
deliver the product the best that they possibly can to their customers the best
way they possibly can without spending that money so that they can keep that
money to reinvest in themselves for the future I mean that's how I think businesses should be run but a lot of
the time that's not really how it goes there was recently a kickstar I don't
remember what this was for I wish I had research on this but um they they were
complaining meaning that they had ran out of money because one of the employees in the company when they're
running their Kickstarter was in like serious money troubles so when the
kickstarter ended and they got all the money he took like a third of it and
they were just like yeah it's a cash advance for like six month
salary and then they're like oh wait we don't have any money left because we
gave it all to him and it's like
what are you kidding me was that somewhere on the kickstarter page we
were funding this guy's like probably I'm going to assume gambling troubles
like could be drugs could be anything like no
that wasn't a part of the kickstarter but could be just anything I I used to
work with uh I used to have a co-worker who we were in sort of a similar without
giving too much detail I I have some idea what kind of money uh she made and
like the amount of money that I saw getting like I I knew I knew the pay
grade I knew approximately the expenses I knew her pretty well and the amount of
money that I saw her blowing on Hobby
stuff I was sitting there going okay so
you're constantly like asking for more money but I know that you waste it all
on stupid crap so maybe if you stopped
wasting it on stupid crap we wouldn't have this problem because you make a
very fair living wage
yeah speaking of a fair living wage 3.2
billion apples reportedly considering buying Beats for 3.2 billion oh this has
been updated since the last time I looked at it by Alex Goes high is
apparently kind of confirmed so ah right yes I did hear
about this so Dr Dre was caught up celebrating the deal in his Studio
because he posted a video about said celebration on Facebook that has been
deleted the Verge evidently saved it to their servers prior to the takedown so
basically in the video Dr Dre describes himself as the first billionaire in hip
hop and uh
doesn't explicitly confirm the Apple acquisition but the the implication
there is that the deal is basically already done so Apple would be acquiring
not just like headphones which to me is
less I mean yeah it's a huge business and all that but that's less of a big
deal and probably if Apple decided to release their own Apple branded
headphones they could crush Beats headphones if they really felt like it I
mean the kinds of people who buy Beats headphones are probably going to also be interested in Apple headphones and quite
frankly I have a lot more faith in apple than I do in beats when it comes to
making a decent pair of headphones I'd assume it had really good build quality
which I don't assume of Beats I I I don't even know but I just I don't
assume they're they're nothing I've never bought a pair of Beats um so I
forget where I was going with that what is your thing you said you have a very
unpopular opinion about I'll get to that um so Apple will also be buying beats's
streaming service so that is is a music streaming service that's actually um
similar to something that Apple's been rumored to be developing so it would
potentially work on Android devices so this could be a great way for Apple to
get into the music streaming service I mean music is something that Apple's
been very heavily into since the job's days and it could allow them to get a
chunk of that pie on the Android side
without like creating branding weirdness
around you know iTunes for Android you
know whatever they want to call it or or or or whatever that ends up turning into
so I think that's actually more interesting it's funny to me that this
is actually by far Apple's biggest acquisition um so it's the second
biggest was actually next back in 1997
when they brought Steve Jobs's next computer company back or Computing next
I forget what it was called anyway when they brought next back into the fold and
reacquired Steve Jobs so this is far bigger than that um Apple's more about
the little strategic micro Acquisitions
where they see like a really smart technology and and and buy them up
before they get big so this is very uncharacteristic for them making like a
power move like this it's interesting I I I see it kind of makes sense though
because of how much they're already entwined yeah sort of I mean they sell
Beats in the Apple store but I mean they also sell Cooler Master like aluminum
phone stands in the store I yeah but I bet you in terms of Revenue beat spring
is in a lot more than The Cooler Master aluminum stand you know what's baffling
to me is how I manag to live in the kind
of bubble that I live in like when we were trying to do the Hackintosh um
build uh the the the guy we were working with Rampage Dev who's a Hackintosh
developer really nice guy super nice guy we really like him cool guy um he was
like oh yeah to create the the bootable USB drive just plug it into a Mac and do
this I'm like I I don't have a Mac he's like then borrow one I'm like I don't
know a single person who owns a Mac he's
like what I'm like don't worry man I'll figure it
out but I don't know a single person who owns a Mac I don't know a single person
who owns Beat headphones did I say Beat Beats Beats
headphones who someone who works here a while ago
who I don't think he still has them do I have to hit him I don't think he still
has I know he has monster turbines is it Brandon
no it's not Ed is it
no no
he had them he had them a while ago I don't know if he still has them no we
were making fun of people who own Beats headphones yeah and I was saying that
you have Monster earbuds but those are actually fairly well well reputed so
you're okay you're off the hook Brandon
yeah he had the the like small ones that go on your ear oh really yeah oh
headache so it's it was a while ago though when he got like an employee discount on them it's our new guy we are
all ashamed of him I wouldn't have hired him if I'd known that that is that is a
very sad very sad State of Affairs right right now imagine he posted that on the
audio Forum so here's just get
slaughtered here's what I will say about an Apple beats
acquisition I would actually be pretty
excited to see a product that came out of this
Union that's what I'll say that's all I have to say about it guys I'm going to
create a straw pole because Apple owns them would you be as know that would
never happen I'm not even to I'm not even put that up I was going to say it was the other way around and I was like
no there's no
way I could have made that so you could have kept talking oh I don't really have
anything else to say okay are we done with this topic then uh yeah I'm just
going to um like basically I okay I guess I do have more to say so the
reason that I would be excited about that is because beats I appreciate their
style and I appreciate their marketing but what has always been lacking for me
is the actual build quality and the actual exceptional of the product so
anything good yeah um where and but what
they're what they've been good at what they have been good at is increasing the
demand for Quality Audio Solutions even
because people were like wow this is bad I want to buy something better no no no
no no no no no no like like commercials like the HP Envy commercial where they
have Dr Dre with his stupid headphones on on an HP notebook and like talking
about how better audio enriches The Experience because it does the problem
is that beats never actually delivered the enriched audio experience but the
good thing they did was they made people aware of crappy audio and how much it
sucks so what I would like to see apple do so here's my straw poll you guys uh
what I would like to see apple do is actually build something with Beats
branding that is good because hate on Apple all you want the iPhone 5S is an
exceptional piece of hardware and even all even the Android Fanboys have to
agree that what's great about the HTC1
series The 1 M7 and the 1 M8 is that
someone on the Android side finally rivaled Apple for build quality which
would imply that we never had anything equivalent before they are quality built
products they're fast Apple actually Engineers solutions that are good
they're processors that they actually build M unlike pretty much everyone else
with the exception of Samsung where they're just using an off-the-shelf processor Apple actually Engineers the
crap out of things so if they engineered the crap out of a $300 pair of
headphones I would expect to actually get $300 level build quality and $300
level sound quality out of it that's what I would like to see there's you you
can't possibly say that they don't make things well you can but it's just stupid
that's all I have to say about that um okay I guess yeah you could technically
say it yeah you could say it but you're just completely wrong so there you go um
do you want to do a topic sure uh there's a few left actually there's a
lot left here I'm going to throw those straw pole results up there boom okay so
one that I find really interesting because we've been talking about VR a lot lately and yep I'm going to talk
about another Oculus Rift thing yeah baby is that the the biggest thing that
we've both said is that it's not necessarily immersive in US yeah because
not all your senses are engaged and that's what's really interesting about
this I could engage your senses that wouldn't have to be VR oh
god really is this the thing that you're
going to do on the show no okay I don't know what you're talking about all right
um
so wow
anyways so a company a company called
something birdley I think I'm a little bit distracted right now um has created
this giant machine thing that they're quoting saying uh you do not control a
machine you embody a bird the red kite which is a bird by the way um but
honestly you're you're controlling a machine um but what's really interesting
about it is that it engages your physical sense so you're liter you're
laying flat up on this machine and then you have to Flap as if you're a bird
like he's doing right there um and then it is putting smell into the environment
so what you see on the Oculus Rift is pushed through towards you so if you're
flying over a forest you'll smell a forest if you're flying over mud flats
you'll smell mud whatever um and you can see that giant fan right in front of him
that fan will change how fast it's spinning depending on how fast he's
going in the game so if he starts going really quickly the fan will start
spinning really quickly so you're getting um not necessarily accurate but
you're getting representative wind speed towards your head and you're getting
smell and you're getting vision from the oculus rift this is kind of the stuff
that I'm talking about it's still not going to feel like you're actually a bird cuz you're laying on something kind
of flapping around but it should be really interesting to be able to try
they're saying that it has um aloric what is it called sorry what
now alaic smell no I know but is that how you pronounce it I'm actually not
sure alaic alaor I don't know olfaction either way
Factory perception so so Factory perception is how how you smell things
they have feedback on that they also have feedback based on uh which which is
based on the location of the bird while you're flying I said if you fly over forest all that kind of stuff um and
then it has wind speed and actually physically
flapping no you can have that banana on your
shirt I don't want that in my hand um
cool though because this is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes
to exciting things that we're going to be able to do with VR yeah and like this
maybe isn't the most realistic thing for something that everyone's going to have in their house yeah it's like it's like
if if we had conversations before about how I was like yeah Omni is cool but
like I wouldn't find room for it in my house like yeah I'm going to have like a
dedicated like you know quarter of a room for like my bird simulator machine
and my goat simulator machine and my Farmer simulator machines like it's
going to turn you know what gaming is going back to Arcade size machine
they're going to they should get it to the point where there's one and it's like a Transformer you tell it what game
you want to play and it just like changes itself that would be amazing
somebody Kickstart that I'm not going to give you my money cuz I know you can't
build it I was just going to say don't Kickstart it cuz you will never be
successful it won't work but I like how
you think does yeah exactly but yeah yeah I I hope they have
this kind of stuff at like Science World yeah that would be cool or or different
things like that so you can actually try Tellis world of science oh whatever can
you believe that like it's like Telos
you know can can you is is there another way that you could demonstrate that you
have too much money tell us world of science Roger Arena yeah like no oh no
no no no tell no Science World goes beyond that so sponsoring Arenas that's
one thing that's that's like yeah we don't know what to do here's all the
money to name your Arena whatever it is uh tell us world the science they bought
it they own it what yeah so science
world is uh is a dome in Vancouver it's
really cool it's actually fantastic world after dark is like one of the
coolest things great place to take the kids great place to even go on a date
like they just have cool exhibits that are sciency and like Puzzles you can do
and I've done it before mle times me too um so science world's fantastic so tell
us act they were running out of money because it was publicly funded and you
know it's like anything cool not enough people go because everyone's too busy
playing video games um so I've been like five six
times so tell us one of our local Telos just bought the thing like okay whatever
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needs that go beyond the show since you messed up my last integration why don't
you go ahead and talk about why you took the g750 JZ which happens to belong to
the company on on a personal trip with you what was exactly the point of that
well the the point was that I had to test out a Tegra Note so I had a phone I
had a Tegra Note and I had a laptop and part of my idea was if I needed to do
something what did I go to grab so I needed a laptop that being said I I
might own one um so basically decided
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even though I have my own laptop that I just I haven't even seen that in a while
have you just junked it and just no I was using it for Network diagnosis okay
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were like no idea I'm just like yeah we're getting new ASUS gaming notebooks
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well when we're done with wano I can replace my desktop with it right I'm
like a it was a gaming level notebook I
knew it was going to be faster than the desktop that I have which like I'm happy
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it's not the lightest thing ever okay it's a little bit on the thicker side
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before the show so I mean I I like that
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that no that's probably not a thing I actually don't know that's probably for
the movie yeah I would think so let's see all right so we're going to go ahead
and have a look at whether people would be excited to see an apple SL beats
codeveloped product the uh overwhelming majority of you say no or maybe and the
that's a pretty flat vote the underwhelming minority of you say yes
but then yeah so for most of you zero cares were given okay I get it but I
will objectively evaluate anything that comes out of that partnership before
before the show was on he asked me about it and I said I I just can't really
bring myself to care very much and he's like well you should probably blah blah
blah blah blah and I was like yeah but it's from two companies that I'm not
ever going to buy anything from you will never buy anything from Apple
probably not what if the eyewatch is fantastic but then I'd have to get that
whole ecosystem that's how Apple Works
really yeah it would have to be really legendary what if the iPhone 6 is
fantastic it could be but if you look at the trending every single time that jobs
goes away every single he went away once
twice well he died yeah really that's
twice you're going to bring up Jobs's death I tried to do it lightly I
I tried to do it really lightly actually just didn't work at all all
right so semanex VP says antivirus is
dead this was posted on the Forum by nice hat along with some very amusing
pictures this one's fantastic if you guys can't read it it's an anonymous
Facebook post my computer's being really slow I forgot it had a virus I'm just
going to shut it down and stop using it until it goes away text me and then it's
just like the most appropriate use of this guy
that I think I have ever seen yeah probably me too that's a really good
picture that's fantastic and you know the it would it would be funnier if uh
if we didn't know people like that oh yeah yeah but I think we all do
so what's your take on this is antii well okay first of all we should
probably so basically uh what Brian Dy says so this a senior VI senior VP of
information securi we don't think of antivirus as a money maker anymore and
that he points out that hackers are increasingly increasingly using novel
bugs as ways to gain control of a system
or um gain information or whatever else it is that they're trying to do as
opposed to straight up computer viruses
and Mr D estimates that antivirus now catches just 45% of cyber attacks I mean
we've known for quite some time that spyware or adwar were actually larger
issues than traditional viruses but I I
guess I've just never heard it from someone at a company like sanch there's
another thing though like one I think one of the big problems here is where he
actually says we don't see it as a money maker in any way and I think that stands
out more than anything because almost everyone I know in the tech industry not
everyone but almost everyone I know in the tech industry is running a combination of antivirus software the
same one almost everybody they run Windows stock I don't even remember
Windows whatever Windows not Defender
Security Essentials whatever Microsoft Security Essentials MSE there we go
Microsoft Security Essentials for Passive scanning of viruses because
there's a big difference between when it's just running constantly looking for
things and when you manually run it huge difference so I see most people that I
know are running that for kind of passive scanning and then once every one
once in a while this is a really good idea for a straw pole once every once in a while they will download and run mbam
or malware bites and then run it for its active scan the manual one remove
everything that it catch and then just uninstall it none of that
costs any money and the majority of
people that I know that even run antiviruses are doing that combo or just
MSE Microsoft Security Essentials not even the mbam once in a while um so I
can totally see where they're talking about it not being a money maker um I'm surprised they're taking
the stance they are we going like with
the fake data and all that kind of stuff considering that already exists with
honey pots like I don't see them propos anything that's really new these are all
things that already exist so I find that a little bit interesting um and I I
don't think antivirus is unimportant I think it might be unimportant to certain
people yeah for the random Average Joe it's probably fine if you just pay
attention to what you're searching you don't click on anything super stupid
maybe you've been around on the internet for a really long time and you're really good at identifying download now buttons
at this point and you can read the URL at the bottom of your browser when
you're highlighting buttons to make sure you're not going to some ad and you're actually downloading what you want um
and stuff like that you're good with that and you kind of either run MSE or
nothing and that's fine you're probably okay but at the corporate level I think
it still really matters um when if someone gets into your network and
deletes everything on your server it's catastrophic um I've done it work for
some law firms way back in the day I don't do it anymore um but it was I
thought you still did I do but I'm kind of just like outside support right okay
and like if they have a question they'll email me but everything's automated now
that I don't I used to go in there all the time because it was more like I was
taking over for someone else so I had to do a lot of stuff right and now it's
more just like if they have a problem they'll call me in and every once in a while like every few months I'll go in
for a while and like make sure everything's good like I'll go in for a whole Saturday right but it's not super
common anymore so sorry you were talking about how you were doing that yeah so
that the them huge really big deal they
do a thing where I have it where one of their employees that somewhat techsavvy
walks in and plugs in a cable once every week and it does a big backup to a
computer plug in one cable unplugs another cable so it does a big backup to
an offline server that's almost always offline so it's it could still get
infected because you are plugging into a computer that is normally online right
but it's probably not going to happen to the point where everything's going to be deleted right or if it is they have two
servers and like they're they're both running different operating systems like
there's there's a bunch of layers of security that's a really big deal
because if they lose everything they're screwed right they also have offsite
backups they have like multiple layers of security so that to be able to take
them down you'd have to take down an off-site backup that's in the states two
things onsite like Dropbox style not
actually Dropbox but drop stop Dropbox style backups like all this kind of
stuff it's not going to happen that's important um and then they run antivirus
all over the place because it's important because their data is super important right is someone being able to
see that I have 800 hours on mowind super important probably not right okay
so I think it depends who you are well it looks like actually our our users are
pretty um pretty pretty safe they practice safe safe internet browsing so
30% of you are using realtime scanning and doing periodic cleanups with three
uh 12% of you doing periodic cleanups only about the same number doing
real-time scanning only and about 11% of you using no antivirus with the majority
of the respondents or at least more than any of the other replies uh asking me to
eat more banan it was hot um
unfortunately since a banan isn't a real thing I really can't do that so I I well
I appreciate the uh I appreciate the the thought though that was great you guys
are great okay so Intel's Sky Lake there
have been some leaked documental mations
this was posted on the Forum by querty Warrior the original article is from
Tech PowerUp and um basically it's 100
series it's going to be coming with DDR4 support it's going to be 14 nanm
processors and it's going to feature Alpine Ridge Thunderbolt running at 40
gbit per second man that's fast I'm kind of
surprised they're jumping into 100 series I see a lot of companies when
when they get to the top they just reset I'm okay with that yeah I don't
really mind it's just I'm I'm saying I'm just kind of surprised I mean AMD
switched over to an X but then Intel already has X whatever so yeah yeah what
you going to do painted yourselves into that corner didn't you so basically
compared to uh compared to uh Haswell Haswell refresh and Broadwell and to be
clear guys Haswell refresh is not a significant change over Haswell it's
just like slightly faster um sat Express
has been added uh if you if you take the
the the heat sink off of a z97 board it says Z87 rev 2 on it like it's not a big
deal but uh Broadwell is going to be a small generational change or uh rather
rather that'll be a significant generational change in terms of the manufacturing process and then beyond
that that's when we're getting a new architecture so that'll be Sky Lake and
that's coming in 2015 I'm actually curious to see when Broadwell is going
to arrive I guess that could be coming very soon then huh I don't know Intel
doesn't really tell me anything they just sort of like stuff arrives and I'm
like Yay cool um let's let's like let's like check it out so it's going to have
a whole bunch of really cool stuff so they're going to have much improved
Wireless they're going to have much improved Thunderbolt and they are also
going to have hopefully much improved CPUs so this whole road map has been
leaked I guess that's really all I have to say about that isn't it yeah there's
there honestly there isn't a ton of information right now yeah so yeah take
that and do whatever you want 2015 is exciting you know yeah even if it's late
2015 I guess if we got like a very late 2014 Broadwell then a late 2015 Skylight
could make sense yep and that's uh that's actually pretty in line with some
of the estimates we saw on that Thunderbolt 40 gbit per second article
that came out a little while ago oh that makes sense yeah so the timing is
probably about right now I I think we should straw pull this because something
that you talked about before the show uh that had to do with kitaku the next
article you're doing I want to see why people care or maybe uh Twitter Blitz
Twitter yeah okay so um there there was
a so this was posted on the Forum by top war gamer thank you very much for that
CEO Bobby KK has revealed that
Activision is spending 500 million to
try and make Destiny a hit that's half a billion which is a little less than
double the unprecedented over quarter billion
dollars that Rockstar paid to get GTA 5 made um there I saw quite a few people
attacking the article saying that because it's on Kotaku it's therefore uh
completely not credible and completely stupid but I would like to hear from I
would like to hear from our our users maybe uh I'll create a straw pull here
pretty quick here guys and then uh is Kotaku because
honestly a lot of the stuff I've read on there like no one's right 100% of the
time but a lot of the stuff I've read on there has turned out to be perfectly
fine I I I have no idea it's possible
that we missed something yeah that's totally possible like was there a huge
controversy like that whole I don't know uh what was it LA Times Tesla review
thing I think it was the LA Times Tesla review Washington Post talking about
Oculus Washington Post Tesla review well uh I'm not sure there was someone I
think it might have been more than one group actually for Tesla uh all New York Times sorry it was
New York Times uh they eventually apologized for that and all that noise
so so maybe they maybe Kotaku has done some stuff that neither of us is aware
of of yeah for sure yes
no what's
Kotaku okay so I'm going to go ahead and allow multiple choices if you're going
to have that on the poll no people have
to pick one it's just going to be skewed now can you imagine if like political
elections had multiple choices I would actually be more incentivized to vote me
too actually cuz if I could just say I don't care have multiple choices they
should have multiple choices cuz you could be like I don't care but these
ones like any one of these ones is okay because then you wouldn't have to worry
about the vote getting split between and
then that would probably help the whole two- party system thing anyways we probably shouldn't talk about politics
yeah we probably shouldn't talk about politics I'm sure there's a good reason that uh we don't allow multiple
choice yeah I actually can't think of one but maybe it's because like the the
real flaw in a multiple choice test for example is that someone can just guess
and still get a passing grade whereas on a political on an election ballot
there's no right answer so it's inherently flawed multiple
choice doesn't address that by giving us the possibility to get it right maybe
that's the issue what I'm just I'm just Mak it's like that doesn't make any
sense there's no it's called W show not
not W's show weekly analysis news and
sense I think with analysis people kind of assume that there's going to be some
amount of sense they could but they'd be I mean look at they're voting for
bananas that's because you didn't put multiple choice on this poll I don't
have and you put a question I don't have to put anything on my PO you put a
question mark I don't have to put anything on my poll that I don't want
to wow let me make the
polls are you making a poll right now
maybe no one will know they can't see my screen or what's behind my
screen this show is the best this show
speaking of things that are the best this is
fantastic fantastic posted on the Forum originally by uh
L3 MO black Moses that makes more sense post
originally on the Forum by black Moses the smartest protest ever what do we got
the smartest protest ever yeah am I in the wrong section right now no
no fast L subscribers I thought we were in a different thing we're talking about
net neutrality yeah but there's a total okay anyways there's two topics about
net neutrality I thought you entered that one I thought you talking about
this one yeah that is the one I was talking about where did that go oh that
looked at the wrong article that's why I was like what okay this makes more sense
okay so back to this okay go okay so what they're doing is well this web host
and I think I think there's now a GitHub that has the code for it so other people
can implement it and all this kind of stuff um but what they're doing is they're making it so that different IPS
that access their website that are from the FCC are getting incredibly slow
traffic so like 28.8 dial up not even
the fastest dialup that we had like dial up yeah so like if you try if FCC tries
to access their website it'll go that slow um I think it's kind of cool and
it's clever but I don't think it's going to matter unless like Google does it
it's well it's not going to matter unless Google does it but it's not really the point the point is I I get it
and it's cool and it it does drive a point and it's very interesting so it's
it's the we've got the feni plan or fangi I can never remember I'm not a
Star Trek guy the feni plan is a special FCC only internet plan that costs $1,000
per year and removes the 28.8 kilobit per second modem throttle to the FCC we
will happily take credit cards Bitcoin Dogecoin and Dogecoin from crooked FCC
Executives that probably have plenty of money from bribes on our donations page
sorry we don't accept ltin them yet so
obviously the whole thing is just purely a joke but the point is that net
neutrality is important because it will prevent situations where an ISP can hold
your internet connection or your the speed with which you can connect to
certain Serv Ransom unless you're willing to pay them more money for it and the problem with
with them holding let's say let's say I'm I'm Luke's internet service provider
and I go you know what Luke I probably don't like you we live in Canada you all
suck well whatever man you're stuck here
what are you g to do leave leave Canada Canada's Great for all kinds of other reasons you can deal with crappy
internet okay so look dude you play a lot of games you watch a lot of twitch
streams twitch streams man they use a lot of bandwidth that means we got to go
buy like switches and crap and like you know those switches are really expensive
look don't worry about that those switches are really expensive so we need
you to give us some money to you know justify buy another football stadium
because you're because you're a heavy user okay you're putting more of a load
call Fat you're putting more of a load on our system that's a fat joke than the
other users okay so the problem is that then Mr ISP gets to extract a bunch of
money from him because you go okay look if you want to access twitch fast we can
give you like a fast lane for that because otherwise in the background I
could be slowing down as twitch stream and we see this all the time you can go
do a speed test tomorrow and it'll have like a great speed and then you go and
try to load a YouTube video or watch a movie on Netflix and you've got this
degraded internet experience so I'm I'm I'm telling Mr user I'm like look okay
yeah you want fast twitch yeah sure no problem man just give us a couple more
bucks and then I'm going to turn around and I'm going to tell twitch hey you
guys are putting a bunch of load on our network with all of our users
downloading your streams you got to give us money to and so all of a sudden we
create this situation where the isps can double dip and just take additional
money to build infrastructure that they should have built in the first place
which they got paid to build in the first place if you're in the states and
two which they don't need they're so
baller when when it's at the point where like the only people that are buying
these stupid Investments which is putting your name in front of a sports
Stadium they're all isps or like cell
providers are you kidding me it's because they're just rolling in money
it's super dumb they don't need any more
money anyways I do like the protest though I think it's pretty cool I think
it's fantastic I think it really makes a point to people who maybe just don't
care enough maybe they just don't care enough to to look into it like I mean
you know what let's all be honest with ourselves do you do 100% the best job
you possibly can at work every day do you do 100% of the due diligence
maybe a few of you do some of you this is a really awkward position for me
right now probably don't I'm not asking you the point I'm not even creating a
poll for this I'm just I'm just asking you guys to ask yourselves you know do
you do whether your job is to dig ditches or to cook food or to serve food
or to make internet videos or to drive a truck or whatever your job is there's
the thousands and thousands of jobs do you do it the best every day maybe not
so maybe maybe what we're what we just need to do is we need to wake up someone
who's been asleep at the wheel a little bit and go hey can you create some Havoc
internally over there and like get some attention around this and this is the kind of protest that's does more than
just create noise because emails are easy to ignore Facebook polls or
protests or whatever you just ignore that crap because it's just stupid it's
not relevant whereas when someone goes to access the internet and it's slow and
they go oh why is it slow you're starting the
the the inquisitive process I was going to say Inquisition that's not right
you're starting the inquisitive process you're getting them wondering what's going on and once they understand what's
going on hey well someone's slowing down my internet why are they doing that my internet should be fast right and then
we can hope that the light bulb turns on so I really I thought this was a really
effective way to get that point across and I hope it works yeah I know it is really cool
actually um oh I wasn't even aware of this this is interesting uh there's
apparently some new graphics card coming
power color oh yeah has a new Devil 13
this one has um no it's post by brown ninja so I'm sure it'll be in the post
somewhere um but it has like the Nemo fin thing where the fan has the little
fins in there is this that one let's go see yeah see the little tiny pins on the
inside it also has four eight pin power connections four eight pin you'll see if
you keep on going down there's the yeah I knew it'd be in here somewhere there
boom look at that
boom it's just a monstrous card so they ditched the whole AO idea air cooled air
cooled rather wow four eight pins triple slot four eight pins what the heck the
thing is ridiculous only three of those four are required so if you want a
little bit of extra overclocking Headroom you can plug in the
fourth and wow look at the back plate I
like it it's actually pretty cool yeah looks badass yeah double 13
huh someone in the comments somewhere on here I don't remember where it was was
like so one eight pin for the GPU and
then one for each fan for
each can't remember exactly how he said it but it was awesome them Nemo fans
when you got little fins like that you got to like work it takes a full eight
pin for each one of those fans guys yeah get it right geez yeah that's kind
of awesome should we jump into build logs um yeah sure I think that's pretty
much it I think I'm I'm pretty much done for the week so here we go we have
something really special after build vogs guys so do we yeah we do do I know
about it I told you before the show that doesn't mean I
know so the first one is oh do I have
office on here I hope so I hope so too it looks fine oh I have some kind of
office oh I want to try it for a limited
time oh
no not good it looks fine though I think
wow all the tabs no one can see what's going on hey everyone hey guys sorry
where did it go it's here wow I'm
tired there we go well it looks
okay view either way every single time
we do the build logs every single build log I talk about I'm like you should
probably just go check it out the Forum so you can see everything so do that again check out these guys full build
logs where they have tons of pictures you can see everything about you can go to the voting thread and see everyone
who submitted there's some guys that submitted that had really nice builds
um the thing with having build logs per the week is there isn't enough and the
thing with having build logs per the month is there's a lot of really awesome
ones and they don't all get through so be sure to check out the voting thread
because you can see everything this build is super clean the hard tubing
really really popular thing lately and I'm okay with that that looks fantastic
yeah very cool absolutely beautiful but I while
while this one is really nice and very clean I personally appreciate the next
one a little bit more more you know I haven't seen many great builds in the
900d now that I think about it it's like yeah it's big and it's like liquid
cooling optimized but it almost seems like Corsair took the challenge out of
it a little bit for people by making it too easy to do a great buildin so I
think a lot of people were turned off by that that's just my perception it's also
extremely big and really heavy yeah but uh this one this one's bad do the call
thing oh sorry sorry sorry so this one is Portal Cube by
I don't know look at that that's fantastic it looks better if you see it
not on the stream and not like converted in like 16 color mode yeah um so there's
uh there's a power supply on the bottom there's ITX there and then you can go
ahead and check out all of the different photos of it so we should probably post
a link to the build log section I'm just going to track that down or if you want
to post gra if you jump on the next one on your screen I'll post the thing in
the chat work on that sure we got an honorable mention here guys project
Affinity do you remember now nope this is the computer that people I believe
built and distributed to lenois oh cool
yeah so a bunch of people on The Forum I think it's a mainly people from the um
unofficial TeamSpeak y all got together built this computer got him a whole
bunch of games this is a list of games that he got wow that's more games than I
own no well it's more games than I play
yes that is true and and like nice ones
Battlefield 4 Star Citizen like big not just like oh
we bought a humble Indy bundle like this oh my God they got them secret of the
magic crystals that's a game about ponies um well yeah it is
lenoi so over 10 community members
contributed and this is just a really cool a really cool example of the
community coming together and supporting each other I mean if you guys aren't
already members of the lest Tech tips.com Forum you probably should be I
mean this is just a small subset of like
the super cool guys and gals that make up the community here so you know we uh
we appreciate everyone just being part of it we think it's really really
awesome so I think uh that's probably all I have to say about that yeah what's
up with this stuff I'm not going to do these today oh I this is a company Kito
that uh they they asked if I wanted to review the Kito pop Andor the Kito
classic these are some SmartWatches that I think actually um are pretty unique
and that particularly the pop tries to make the smartness like like by Design
it's not that smart so instead of having a screen it's it's just an analog watch
instead of having a screen that's like blah blah blah read your text messages
reply to your text messages talking to your wrist um it just flashes hey that
notification you got was uh text or it was an email or it was was an instant
messaging thing and it just tells you sort of what kind of notification it was
and then the classic has an analog face and then it actually does go into a
little bit more detail in terms of what types of messages you got so it gives
you battery indication and then you can read your messages on it as well and it
actually looks quite nice so I was like okay well I can't promise a review
because I've never heard of you before and I don't know if it's any good but
you know if it's fantastic I'll do a review and what I'll definitely do is try out the products and talk about them
on the W show so that's going be coming sometime in the next week or two all
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