Intel COULD Make Z270 Work with Coffee Lake - WAN Show October 20, 2017
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·Linus Tech Tips
·2018-05-06
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oh all right it's when show time again here we got to get our spacing right here
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got a lot of great topics for you guys today topic number one where is luke whic
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people anymore um speaking of which i need a camera person right now oh alex is
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move on to the next topic here um activation i don't want to do that topic oh i
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yes it does speaking of ai that's just so killer it can wreck you every time rem
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come back wow speaking of uh you know what hold on a second we're gonna do our n
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do you want to move on to our next topic i guess though sorry i was just talking
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stuff ah anyway this is actually next topic is total full circle for us because
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pretty darn seriously next topic posted by numlock21 on the forum this oh boy so
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oh all right it's when show time again
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here we got to get our spacing right here there we go
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perfect oh man
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you always push me away from the mic so you're way louder than me no i'm way
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louder than you because i'm way louder than you i pushed you away from the mic because i'm the one who's actually you
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know looking at the show and okay okay here i think we look symmetrical
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you know what here just a second hold on let me let me let me explain let me let
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me explain something something here let's go ahead we'll we'll give you guys some screen capture
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to look at here instead of james there you go okay so uh oh that that really
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doesn't work very well what i'm doing right now okay that's not really the point the point is look at the distance
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here see this distance not enough distance you gotta
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there
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see how much there wasn't there was a no mansplaining rule on the WAN Show
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no no you're allowed to land splain that's we've been through this so we've
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got a lot of great topics for you guys today topic number one where is luke
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which is i'm sure the only one that you actually care about at this point because this freaking can you take those
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off i'm not taking them off oh you have to take them off i feel like jc denton
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he's not using the laser okay so
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ed can you can you came up for us for a second here can you just show them what
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the heck is going on such that james figures he needs wow
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thank you i'm sure glad i had a professional camera operator do that
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that's much appreciated so that right there look at that he knows how to use
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the focus ring and everything i'm holding it
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so that right there is our new laser cutter and these no no no you can't wear them
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the whole show let me tell you the whole the whole sunglasses during a tech video
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podcast thing has been done no one likes
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it my vision is augmented have you even played deus ex this is
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sick this is harsh i have played hold on a
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second which one is uh specific wavelengths like
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yeah it cuts out all the bs and leaves you with awesome
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no can you no no can i at least just continually put
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them on like periodically throughout the show you can only keep them on for a
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maximum of 30 seconds at a time deal
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okay and and they have a 10 minute cooldown
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10 minute cooldown by the way yes i have played deus ex
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um but i only played the widely regarded as kind of crap sequel invisible
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invisible war i actually enjoyed it having not played
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the original and never playing one since i i actually really enjoyed it
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so i said yeah do you really really not want to miss uh
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yeah i really don't want to miss badminton this guy's trying to send me on a freaking also you didn't center our
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camera way to go ed or did he no not quite it needs to go a
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little bit more towards james thank you he's trying to send me on a business
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trip during my badminton night i get one night a week one night a week when i get
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to go out and do something fun and this guy wants to send me to where where are
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you trying to send me la yeah
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one syllable cities
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that's two syllables la oh
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all right so we've got a lot of great topics for you guys today um
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Gigabyte responded via email i hope i hope i can talk about this i think it
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was kind of a it was kind of a statement um so they responded via email to my
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um question about exactly what the heck is going on with motherboard or with
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coffee lake performance from motherboard to motherboard and i've also heard from
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ASUS so we'll be talking a little bit about that um activision has patented
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a technique for social engineering
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micro transactions in games i love it
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it's way more evil than it sounds
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and it sounds pretty damn evil
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so that should give you some idea what else we got
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oh i can talk now yeah yeah yeah ah reportedly apple has cut down
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production of the iphone 8 for november and december buy a large margin cut down
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cut got cut axed and a pixel 2 xl color issue that Linus
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may or may not have experienced i actually want to know
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we'll get there you know what i haven't okay yeah you know why don't we roll the intro we'll talk about it later we'll
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talk about it later wancho and we'll also do that first topic i
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promised where is luke
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i'm wearing the sunglasses now with the 30 seconds doesn't count until the intro hey you have one fan
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kavor x95 likes you lots of people like
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me yeah let's not get ahead of ourselves you have one pen that's not true oh do
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you want me to send you screenshots uh dar bullets james just know
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uh-huh that guy doesn't count that's a child uh die wolf laust where
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is luke um that's because he's pleasantly
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surprised to see me uh zen walrus says you're sick and i think he means like
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disgusting not like good nope that's both those are both good to
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me those are both good to you
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sponsors i forgot we were still on the intro the
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intro screen there i don't know how ed managed how hard is
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this okay this much frame
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it's like there's like this much extra i i always tell the camera people i'm like
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can you center the ARM in the frame and they're like yes and then they don't do
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it i think they're just messing with me i think at this point people are
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actually just screwing with me when they do things wrong um
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all right so why don't we get into coffee like performance first have you have you heard about this have you seen
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this yes i read it so it comes down to a feature yeah that is enabled by default
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on some boards but not enabled by default on others yep so uh ASUS
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statement was actually i'm gonna have a quick look at my email here and make
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sure that this is on the record um
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because it's one of those frustrating things where sometimes we actually
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we actually know more than we can say because industry
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contacts don't want to get themselves in trouble mind you there's a pretty funny
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story actually about ASUS and being sort of on the record when you
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thought you weren't on the record no no no no put them on no no put them on i'm
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not going to i'm going to put them here uh being on the record when you didn't
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realize you're on the record and saying something that kind of threw Intel under the bus we'll get to that later but um
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first up yes i actually asked do you guys have an official statement on the
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whole auto overclocking thing so the whole discrepancy between
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it was especially visible in heavily multi-threaded tests like cinebench
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between you know one reviewer's results with coffee lake and in others where
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people were getting up to like 300 point differences in cinebench seems to have
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come down to some motherboard manufacturers most notably ASUS enabling
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a feature by default on their boards
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that effectively overclocks the CPU
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right out of the box running all of the cores at the maximum turbo rather than
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just one or two or however many were supposed to be enabled at that
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particular speed so i asked and this is
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my subject line so i think i've absolved myself of any responsibility for this
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being something that can't go out to the public for an official statement from
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ASUS on the whole auto overclocking thing uh but i actually you know what i should
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probably talk about gigabytes statement first so they proactively sent this to
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me and they're basically just like good luck no no i can read this they're
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basically just like hey i uh just watched your rant show
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that's that's cool Gigabyte watches the lan show like you guys are the lan show
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you guys make the news i'm just like blah blah blah like this about it um
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just wanted to comment on the variants and scores there's been some discussion
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over Intel turbo policy and enhanced multi-core performance i'm sure you are
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aware this is a feature that pegs all cores at the max turbo frequency so in
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the case of the 8700k this is 4.7 gigahertz across all cores
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now something that's really happened over the last couple of generations of
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Intel's turbo boost technology is that the difference between base clock and
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max turbo clock has increased a lot so
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it used to be that if you had a multi-core enhancement feature and you
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just boosted everything it was just a little bit and the reason they've done
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that is so they can get higher efficiency better battery life stuff
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higher efficiency cpus overall yeah basically so the idea is that Intel's
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going okay well here's what we're comfortable rating it for when all the cores are operating
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and we want to tune it better and better and better
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for lightly threaded workloads so you can get more performance out of just
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like a game that only utilizes one or two cores or any other single threaded
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application so you can but they wouldn't have rated the CPU for
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4.7 gigahertz on all the cores at the thermal and at the power consumption
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targets that they have so there's going to be a stability issue
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there and that's what this uh person from Gigabyte is hinting at yeah the
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reason they don't don't put it on by default there's potential for a stability issue because
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it is in effect overclocking
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and it produces more heat and so this is why our 8700k review had our chip
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consuming a lot of power compared to what we might have expected and we
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probably should have investigated that further so we were using an ASUS board
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we were using an ASUS board so we've typically used ASUS boards for our
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launch coverage of any new CPU for
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i don't know the last five five or so CPU launches um
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see how he drinks water to buy himself time um i drink ASUS water but
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the reality of it is that we've found it has really more to do with the
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pre-review support for us uh the fact that we can email anytime night or day
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and we're getting a response within like 20 minutes um and that has really made
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our lives a lot easier when we're trying to iron out what are often
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bugs with the CPU with the RAM with the
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board being able to get new BIOS's that address these or get answers when there
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is no BIOS to address it helps us out a lot and that's the main reason that
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we've been doing that um so
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we had all we were running the board at default which we assumed was kind of
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okay so here's here's my response from
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from ASUS well um we've been doing it that way for
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a few years so they're basically saying like hey this isn't really anything new
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um so i really don't know what there is to say
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um we the motherboard makers in general this
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is kind of the statement we get slammed for enabling it then we all disable it then we get
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slammed for not doing it because it's kind of free performance and kind of
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within spec then we place warnings on enabling it
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and that gets ignored so i guess now we're back to not enabling
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it with some new BIOS updates next week
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do you have an opinion on whether or not they should enable it um i'm standing
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here i think you should have it off by default it's still a feature that's
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included it is just a switch you turn on in the BIOS so it's easy to do
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if people as long as people know about it that you're not losing out on that
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free performance you still have it available to you if you want it but how
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would people know about it i would argue that the average user even the average
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user who builds their own computer isn't going to touch a feature called
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multi-core enhancement sounds pretty sweet to me yeah it sounds
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pretty sweet but there's also like a lot of stuff within a BIOS that might seem
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sweet on the surface but you turn it on and your computer doesn't boot anymore
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until you you know because remember you're a novice user you go into your
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manual you figure out what the hella cmos reset is you go find that stupid
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button or header and you you know 15 minutes 30 minutes later you got your
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computer back on you kind of go oh i'm not going to touch any of that stuff anymore it would come down to marketing
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but you can't market something that's just
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um i mean yeah i guess you kind of you can but they don't want you using
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that anyway like if you're ASUS or Gigabyte or MSI they've all got over
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auto overclocking tools that are much more sophisticated than that built into
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their boards that are like turning up the speed testing it to make sure it's
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okay turning it up some more testing it again and they want you using that stuff
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so how do those features reconcile with this feature if you have them both on
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um it's a good question truthfully haven't played around with it a whole
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lot nah so honestly i don't really plan to because
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i don't really personally recommend either of them as the most optimal way
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to overclock i still believe that doing it manually yourself is the best way to
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overclock so um
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yeah apparently we're slightly out of focus
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i i just i don't even i don't even know i don't even know why we have camera
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people anymore um speaking of which i need a camera person
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right now oh alex is taking the wheel oh wow
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taking wow the focus wheel well hey actually that's not bad damn girl
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that's that's not you should have seen the celie you just
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did i can't do it but he did that okay come show them that weird thing that you
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do give us the celly it weirds me out
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i like that you only do it twice you can do it more but it gets weird
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after that all right are we on to the next one uh yeah let's
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move on to the next topic here um activation i don't want to do that topic
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oh i do though yeah we'll do that topic all right all right all right we'll talk
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about it so this was originally posted by wm groom ak on the forum the original
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article here is actually from rolling stone of all publications well there was
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a more original one but it the site had that slideshow format so i wasn't
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messing with that okay so james
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how on a scale of one to aids plus cancer
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plus leprosy where would you put
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activism activision's research into
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using matchmaking tricks so you guys know
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in-game matchmaking like pairing one party with another using in-game
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matchmaking tricks to sell in-game items
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if i work there if i'm an executive or a shareholder
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this is awesome do you own shares so sick in activation no i don't okay so
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then how do you feel about it from a gaming perspective
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it's all over folks throw in the towel games suck from now on
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this is a brutal direction hold on there is some good news they've actually
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patented the technique so not all games suck hopefully no one else can do this
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just all the huge major titles from this giant company
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so okay let's get into this activision was granted a patent this month for a
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system it uses to influence players in multiplayer games to purchase game items
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through micro transactions so the system uses
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it alters the matchmaking process so typically players are put into games
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together based on a wide variety of factors including skill level internet
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latency and your availability of friends the way it should be you should be
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skilled so that everyone's playing a fun
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round of you know counter go source or whatever it is that
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the kids are playing these days right but now they've added this runecraft
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extra vector yeah this extra vector of mark into the matchmaking process that
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basically tries to get you in the game with people who have bought stuff that
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you haven't bought yet so that psychologically you kind of see them
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using it and you want to buy it and it also so the the
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the article also describes part of the technique being to take inexperienced
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players and intentionally put them in close
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proximity to players who are good at a
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skill that they aspire to be good at and who have an item that appears to be
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related to that skill so let's say that a a really skilled player has like a
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great sniper rifle for example
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um then they're gonna they're gonna pair this player who
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and you can you can tell so much about people from the way that they game
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actually well i mean you can tell a lot about how how they want a game anyway so
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someone's like always playing sniper classes but sucks
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you can tell i don't even think it's skill level aspire to be a sniper no no
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well there's that too there's there's multiple aspects of it right so they
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they'll take like an unskilled sniper who wants to be good at sniping they'll
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put them near a good sniper who has great equipment
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like hat of plus one that they've said
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or whatever premium stuff that they paid for that they paid for
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and kind of watch
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right and then continually retool it and re-optimize
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to get more people buying microtransactions if my
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children ever pay for an in-game item
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i'm cutting them off they're out of the will they're gonna be out dude they're out of the will that's gonna happen
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really soon you guys heard it here first out of the will can i get in there
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because digital like in-game items
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i don't know see we're old school we can be kind of cool we used to just buy a
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game and have the whole game then expansion packs came out and that was
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just bonus and awesome then it all went to and now it's poo
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dlc is just like how you get the whole game okay hold on hold on so
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what i realized when i was talking about cutting my kids out of the will
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is that i i think i've actually bought digital
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items before um they don't know i know i know so they
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won't be cut out of the will but but but if they spend too much on them
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what's too much then they're cut out of the well that can be written in the will too much is yeah too much is um you know
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i think i think more than um
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you know what that is a really good straw poll question
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once okay so i wanna i wanna frame this in a pretty specific manner because
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there's a couple of different ways you can define too much like
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i would take a free-to-play game where the in-game items are purely
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cosmetic and it's not a pay-to-win
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and i would kind of look at it and i'd go you know what buying a skin or two or
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a character here and there to support the developer who's running a
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free-to-play game but has a lot of costs associated with it big time probably
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okay but if we're talking triple a title like
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we're talking like a 69.99 oh yeah 79.99
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aaa title or or worse yet like a collector's edition that came in a tin
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so you've like already spent 130 150 bucks on this thing
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and you can't even put the master chief helmet on because it's actually mini
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right and you run out and you blow like another 50 bucks 100 bucks on it i think
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that is totally different so i want to create a specific scenario
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for you guys because we're talking activision blizzard here so we are not
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talking about free to play games okay you pay for the game
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um so so let's say let's say a 50 game
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just for the sake of argument okay i know that's almost nothing is 50 bucks anymore it's
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either more because it's aaa or it's like 20 30 bucks because it's indie but let's
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say 50 game acceptable amount to spend on micro
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transactions i think you should attach a time frame here
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because if i'm playing wow for like six years and i spend 300
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whatever but if this is a period of six months or something like that okay
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yeah that's fair per year first year okay let's do per year okay so first i i
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for you hardcores out there i'm putting in the zero dollar option okay don't
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worry i'm putting in the zero dollar option hardcores or cheapskates
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okay so i've got uh
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okay while you set that up i want to talk about another thing that this algorithm does that's uh this even just
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takes it to the next level once you do make an in-game purchase so
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they put you in a match with the expert sniper uh you were totally attracted to it you
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ended up buying this sniper rifle once you made that purchase they're then
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going to take actions that make you feel good about that purchase they don't want
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you to regret the purchase so on your next match they're going to put you in a
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game where you're you're not in a close quarters match you're going to be put in
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a game where that purchase is advantageous they're going to put you in blood gulch or whatever a sniper
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friendly match so you can actually when's the last time you played that's
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old school man people like the show i don't even like the old school they like
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the throwbacks i know what it is hell yeah which means it's old school
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that's a classic blood gulch they made that they made that map four different
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times it's in every game every halo game okay anyway they're going to put you in
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blood into a map where twitch chat is flipping out to blood gulch they love it
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wow it's the last online halo game
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okay okay go go go go go fire james fire james okay that guy is too young to know
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what blood gulch is you should be getting an xbox on ebay just so you can
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play it even if you weren't born yet and we need a Linus tech tips halo one
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server booyah agreed that'd be sweet okay
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do you guys you guys would be down i'm like still playing it
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okay i'm not so old school that i am advocating using like the original fatty
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controller that controller sucked you're allowed to use the x controller shill
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gulch shield you know halo 1 is still like thirty
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dollars gulch tip you can still buy it halo one customization is thirty dollars
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it's like the first game that i've toured in forever because i was like i'm not paying thirty dollars for this it's
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terrible terrible um okay all right all right i'll i'ma
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let you finish i'ma let you finish but basically the thing that sucks about
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this is that you can tell from the language and the patent that this is not
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just going to be affecting in-game purchases like skins and aesthetic
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things yeah the language talks about weapons and that just means that the
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developers are going to have a monetary incentive to make it play to win so to
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me that this looks like this is the direction we're all going the thing about this kind of play-to-win is it's
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like a sicker more insidious play to win because
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instead of it being okay instead of it being or did i say play to win pay to
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win instead of me being able to pay more
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to just have better crap than you and walk in and stomp you
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i have to lose to you hold on it'll be it'll be pay more
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and get a fakeo ego boost because they're
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just gonna pair you with crappier players
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i can imagine that when they first roll this out it would trick you when they
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first roll this out you're gonna be on the team you're gonna be on the same team as the guy with the awesome gun but
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then they're gonna find out that it's actually more effective if you're on the opposite team and you just get lit up by
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this guy with the awesome gun and you're tired of getting so pwned that
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that you go and buy the gun yourself and then you get to the awesome feeling of
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wrecking noobs i mean at what point do they then take it a step further and
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they start actually fooling you into thinking you're playing against people
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you're not like what if they could use
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like a neural network to figure out which people in game you actually know
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and which people you don't so they could have you playing against the guy you're
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playing against the guy who's ripping you apart with a sniper rifle from the
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other side of the map okay um or the guy that like literally gets
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out of the banshee and like manages to drop it on you every time oh
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terrible it's all halo all the time it's all halo all the time from now on okay
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um and then in your next game they just
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like overlay that person's real avatar and
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real on-screen name with like this guy and you like destroy him now that you bought your new gun
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do you think they could get that evil why not
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i mean it's just an it's just a digital identity that it act is actually
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ultimately pretty meaningless as far as it goes if they take two randoms who
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don't know each other they just sprinkle bots in
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just sprinkle super advanced bots and that just are just pimped out swagged
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out they got the the guns are shooting hot pink bullets
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is this where we're going holy crap actually this leads us pretty
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squarely into another topic we have does it all right yes
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yes it does speaking of ai that's just so killer it
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can wreck you every time
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remember alphago the deep neural neck net that managed to
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swamp all the world's top alpha or top go players in the last year uh so this
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is uh from gizmodo here there you go
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all right tell me about it okay so alphago the first artificial
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intelligence to defeat a grand master at the game go just got a major upgrade in
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a tournament that pitted ai versus ai
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the regular alphago got completely completely wrecked 100 games to zero by
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the new version of alphago called alphago zero
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why did they call it alphago zero if it gets 100 and not zero
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because it's singularity baby how is zero singular what do you know
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what the singularity is yeah yeah it's like
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converging to zero i'm making this up
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what i'm trying to justify the names you're talking about
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okay the thing that's cool about this is the original alphago
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had a training data set of thousands of previously played go games played by
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humans that were amateurs or professionals like go this is a
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completely unsupervised like reinforcement learning algorithm that
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had no training data set no trading data set it started only with the rules of
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the game go and in three days could beat the original go
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is that insane so it played 4.9 million games against
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itself to acquire the expertise needed to beat
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the original alphago for comparison the original alphago had
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30 million games for inspiration
26:39
wow after 40 days it defeated a more sophisticated version of alphago called
26:43
alphago master and that was the version that defeated the world's best go
26:47
players last year it gets even crazier it did this not
26:50
only is it better it's not even that they just like threw more computing
26:54
power at it it's way more efficient the original alphago master had
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48 tpus or tensor processing units this one
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four four tpus that's an
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order of magnitude more efficient
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now this is like not generally ai at all
27:16
yeah this is playing a game but it's like myth it's it's uh
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yeah okay
27:25
but this thing could wreck you at halo 2. i don't well
27:29
okay so that the okay it'll smash you with banshees every time you're getting
27:33
stuck from across the map no scope headshots
27:37
there's a pistol headshot yeah
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all right uh one more topic before we go into ads uh this was originally posted
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by jamie scone jammies jammiescon
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whatever on the forum and the original oh jamie is gone
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uh the original article is from kitguru.net
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no i don't want your notifications apple reportedly cut down
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iphone 8 production already
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i mean if it if it wasn't a strong enough indication
28:10
that iphone 8 isn't doing particularly well that there were literally no
28:14
lineups like that was a big thing with the iphone 8 launch
28:17
this seems to be
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this seems to pretty much drive the point home apparently
28:24
iphone 8 and 8 plus production has been reduced by about 50
28:29
for november and december which are typically
28:32
pretty uh strong sales months for mobile
28:36
devices and this is apparently the first time apple has reduced iphone production
28:41
so early in the cycle this is really worrying considering like
28:45
the bright side of this would be to assume that all these people who aren't
28:49
buying the 8 are just waiting to buy the 10 but
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but they probably won't even be able to buy the 10. and the other issue is that
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apparently a lot of people are opting for the iphone 7 instead of the eight
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which is frankly a decision that okay a
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makes a lot of sense to me in the first place because the iphone 7 and 8 are
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really really not very different you're getting way more eyes per dollar
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and number two the more people go out there and buy the
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iphone 7 the longer the support cycle we are
29:24
likely to see on that product because and this is this is something that's i
29:28
that actually comes up fairly often when i'm talking about you know what tech
29:33
product you should buy a lot of the time it doesn't work out to be in your best
29:37
interest to go and buy say the most expensive motherboard because a lot of
29:41
the time what can end up happening is because they sell so few units of that
29:45
model it might end up with a very short support cycle and a much smaller install
29:51
base of people to call into tech support and complain if something goes wrong
29:56
they might end up with more compatibility issues down the line because of that smaller install base
30:01
installing a wide variety of hardware to to you know
30:05
find out if there's any issues and report them to the manufacturer
30:08
so owning the like the popular one
30:11
can actually be really good because the iphone 7 here's another thing if there's
30:16
a huge install base even not directly from apple even if we're talking from
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app developers if there's a huge install base of these iphone 7's because apple was effectively
30:24
selling them for two years at full pop or at full speed then you're gonna see
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app developers really focus on optimizing for that phone for a longer
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time into the future as those iphones start to have their
30:37
screens broken or start to be replaced it's just going to take longer before
30:41
you aren't worth investing in anymore so
30:45
the fact that there's this momentum on the iphone 7 becomes sort of a self um
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self-reinforcing positivity snowball and
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the more people realize that the iphone 7 is a great
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choice compared to the eight the more it will be a great choice compared to the
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eight that's where i was coming to that's your positivity
31:04
snowball that's my positivity snowball
31:07
um so i mean i ended up just by chance with a couple of those
31:12
types of devices so the ipad one was a big steaming pile of beta um it it
31:17
didn't end up being supported for very long it was thick the battery life sucked it was super slow iphone 2 did i
31:23
say iphone she said ipad okay good ipad 2
31:27
way better in every way like fantastic and made a ton of sense as a product for
31:32
quite some time because even the ones that came after it were adding things
31:36
like high resolution displays that actually
31:40
ended up hurting battery life as much as they increased the resolution of the
31:43
display they ran hotter like the ipad 2 had stuff going for it for like three or
31:48
four generations afterwards it wasn't until the air i think that we got one
31:52
that was higher resolution and better battery and ran cooler was like better
31:56
in every possible way um so my ipad 2 ended up getting
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supported almost forever and the same with the ipad or with the iphone 4. and
32:04
i ended up with like both of them at the same time i was like this is great apple support
32:07
for like four or five years this is awesome um
32:11
but it doesn't always work out like that so it's really nice when you end up with something like that and it looks like
32:15
the iphone 7 could be another one i personally wish it had been the success
32:20
because it has a headphone jack but um
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sorry guys button got the watch oh oh yeah the apple watch what about it
32:28
os4 oh you're just upset because you lost that playlist feature yeah so apple
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right does not behave in this way every time you have a second gen
32:37
yeah second gen yeah ed just lost a feature that was deprecated seemingly
32:43
and we have no you know insider knowledge of apple or anything but
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seemingly to make room for a new version of the feature that is only available on
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the new one that has lte connectivity
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so you're just going to buy the new one aren't you what
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you are aren't you are you already wearing it
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no did you already buy the new one did you already order it that's crazy are
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you going to the apple store after this weekend
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he's already on the apple store right now yeah i have to get this replaced because i
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have a chip on there oh and i'll sell this one then you'll sell that one and
33:20
get the new are you really gonna get the new one
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oh see you are everything that's wrong with oh man you're killing me he's one
33:28
of those apple people do you actually need something or you're what can i do for you
33:32
how to where l.a uh oh do i when do i have to decide
33:38
sooner is better late today like are we are we making a thing for us
33:43
there i don't know probably not no let's go with now i don't know we'll
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talk about it later we'll talk about it later okay uh right right we've gotta do
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just going to mao on my favorite savage turkey the maple
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buffalo bacon yes stereotypical yes it's only a it's
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only a two-star two-star hotness level
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but quite frankly you know what was my drawing power anyway do you really think
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i'm more than a two
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out of what wait a minute is this the maple yeah i
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think this is the one i like do they have more than one maple bacon
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it doesn't even offer me anything they might
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wow this is really nice too no mine hey well you're a vegetarian i
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still want to smell the bag here you can have some if you want
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you unbelievable oh yeah this is a new flavor this is
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nice so it's like can at least waft yeah you can walk here
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say koozie oh i i had never heard it said allowed
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oh yeah never been to a barbecue um but uh
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no one ever invites me to things yeah
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i'm going along this weekend uh you should uh hear about it on monday when i
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um we'll move on hold on because i i gotta side rail us for a little bit here
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you went to wwe this week yeah nobody
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asked me about that i went to smackdown live i actually have check this out
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to remind myself really ask james about
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wwe because here here it is here it is so i sent
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this to myself on october 17th three days ago because
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uh i the day after because i i was like super i was super curious
38:54
what was wd i mean you're not like a wwe fan right no
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so you think it's kind of ridiculous i i watched it as a child and then
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watched it for way longer than i would have because my friend was super into it
39:08
you didn't know it was fake really no i'm just joking of course you
39:12
know it's fake it's kind of like uh it was kind of slap
39:15
sticky slapstick there was a couple lol moments watching it live actually
39:20
none of the big superstars that i know of were there of course because they're
39:23
all retired now like stone cold it's not gonna show up so it was all like no
39:27
names to me so i felt more like i was at like one of
39:30
those mexican wrestling events just because they were all no names and they're doing stupid stuff and one guy
39:34
actually had a mexican uh wrestling mask on so that contributed to the feel
39:39
family fun and uh pretty entertaining
39:43
how much was it 20 bucks that's why i went
39:47
it was sweet all right it was sweet so tell me how sweet was it
39:52
was it sweet in a this was a great way to turn my brain
39:55
off for two hours on a tuesday night way or was it great
39:59
you know like i'm gonna start finding out who these guys are and following the storylines not a chance it was a great
40:03
in the like i get to hang out and like have dinner and spend the evening with
40:07
my childhood friend who i only get to see like every quarter kind of way and
40:12
it was only 20 bucks it was 50 bucks wouldn't have done it no not a chance sorry childhood friend
40:18
you're worth it i'd hang out with him without
40:21
but not 50 bucks just wouldn't went to that with him
40:27
but yeah it was sweet best part was the uh the voice announcer guy
40:31
yeah i love that like the ability to like grab the microphone and
40:36
the you know like let's get ready to rumble kind of guy are we even allowed
40:39
to say that i know we can't do it with the intonation he has like that like
40:42
trademarked yeah the intonation yeah just say it like stephen hawking style
40:47
ready to i don't even know if you can say it at all oh my god it's one of those things
40:50
like the whole um the whole copyright on happy birthday that actually recently
40:55
was that one was overturned but where like nobody even realizes that you
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you like can't say this stuff because they'll actually go after you you know
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that rudolph was invented by coca-cola no
41:08
let that bake your noodle for a second huh they also made santa claus red
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seouldirect.com slash Linus it's got that uh
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that new HDMI over ip smell i actually like the smell of new
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electronics give it a sniff yep
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it's got that it's it's that fresh pcb smell you know when they when they
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manufacture it and then they put it into the bag it stays all sealed in there you
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know even if the bag's not sealed even if you can't get it back in the bag
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after it stays in there it stays in there pretty good
43:40
right i'm gonna give up on that good good work james there
43:44
um that's a tyler drop all right
43:48
what else we got here like what's interesting did you know that google's
43:52
first system auto chip designed in-house is in the pixel 2 that you've been using
43:57
all week no you didn't know because they just announced it now really there's a
44:01
chip in there that you don't know about
44:05
the pixel visual course this was originally posted by z ramsey on the on
44:09
the forum and the original article here is from the verge google's first mobile
44:14
chip that's not an soc that's an image processor dang it
44:19
what you're telling me the verge is wrong hold on a second what are these what are
44:22
they saying okay hold on hold on hold on pixel visual core
44:27
soc uh purposeful version of call comes down
44:31
and another purpose in this case accelerating that
44:36
okay so my understanding of the definition of an soc is that it has to
44:39
have basically all the elements of a
44:47
of like a more traditional like CPU motherboard
44:50
GPU io
44:54
wow especially among academics soc is
44:58
sociology why don't we look for a much more better
45:02
definition wow
45:06
it's pronounced soch
45:10
yeah i'm gonna have to double check the definition here because i wouldn't think an image processor would be an soc so it
45:15
integrates all components of a computer
45:18
or other electronic system may contain digital analog mixed signal and often
45:22
radio frequency functions all on a single substrate
45:28
okay well if they're calling it an soc maybe there's more to this thing than i
45:32
necessarily thought but here we go we've actually got a uh we've got a look at it
45:35
here so the coolest aspects of the pixel
45:39
visual core maybe that it's already in google's devices they both have it built
45:42
in but laying dormant until yes
45:47
it's laying dormant until they activate over the coming months so
45:51
right now it's used just to process HDR plus
45:55
stuff way faster faster than you've experienced it it
46:00
hasn't been activated yet interesting and that's not all they're
46:04
actually going to use it for more applications than just that they haven't
46:08
told us what but we'll see more image and machine learning
46:11
enhancements being added to the pixel 2 over the coming months very interesting
46:15
so here's a here's a look at it
46:19
so here's the course here's the link to memory
46:23
PCIe
46:26
wow huh it's super interesting to me that they
46:30
didn't announce this at their made by google hardware event
46:33
i guess they didn't have it ready in time but they still ship devices with it
46:37
they didn't have the the software implementation ready in time so they
46:40
just laid low until now you would have thought they would have
46:44
at least announced it like when reviewers had hands on so
46:47
so they're saying each of its eight processors has been tailored to handle
46:51
HDR plus duties resulting in HDR plus performance that is five times faster
46:56
at one tenth of the energy of current of the current implementation
47:01
now when they say current implementation there do you think they mean
47:05
what your pixel can currently do before this is turned on yeah that's smooth
47:10
baby so they say they'll enable it as a developer option in the preview of
47:13
Android oreo 8.1
47:16
wow and that there's going to third-party
47:19
apps will have the ability to handle HDR
47:23
photo so we'll see more imaging and machine learning enhancements added to
47:26
the pixel 2. so the pixel 2 is already getting a pretty good review
47:30
that went up on Floatplane last night and will be added to
47:35
youtube i think on sunday is when we're gonna see that video go live so uh right
47:41
now Floatplane has got uh scrapyard wars
47:45
parts two and three then tomorrow it's gonna get
47:49
scrapyard wars part four when youtube gets part two
47:54
and it's also got um and you're in scrapyard wars
47:58
yeah so am i you're in scrapyard wars kinda
48:03
you're in scrapyard worth just talking no just the voiceover oh you're the voiceover oh that's nice yes listen oh
48:08
that's it is nice i like doing that listen up keep your ears peeled if you
48:13
can peel in here for this whimsical voice um so also over
48:18
there we've got the MSI vortex g25 review we've got the mass drop vast 35
48:23
inch curved gaming monitor uh you worked on that one uh we've got our video of
48:28
the let's have a look here what else have we got over there
48:31
oh lg wallpaper tv part two wait that's
48:34
up on youtube now oh first ever sli setup still isn't on youtube so with our
48:38
voodoo sli that's over there right now and i think that pretty much uh that
48:43
pretty much covers it there's some tech quickies as well all right what else we got for topics
48:48
here oh right uh if you guys want to know how to join Floatplane
48:52
you should probably go check out this link that i'm about to post in the chat
48:55
do you want to move on to our next topic i guess though
48:59
sorry i was just talking to a prime about an upcoming build guide
49:04
oh yeah is that the uh the value value gaming build guide with ryzen the ryzen
49:09
5 best bang for your buck build byed
49:13
cool i just want to actually be in there yeah so i may have almost screwed up
49:19
this build guide but fortunately james had the foresight to listen to
49:24
what i was saying and carefully ignore it beginner's mind
49:28
beginners beginners yeah you're familiar with the concept no is it like
49:31
beginner's luck but no beginner's mind is when you're like because you don't
49:35
know all the minutia you kind of don't take things at face value your question
49:39
stuff ah anyway this is actually next topic
49:45
is total full circle for us because it's a kind of part two of a topic that you
49:49
and i discussed a couple weeks ago so what we had discussed was that senator
49:53
al franken submitted like a letter a bunch of questions to apple about their
49:57
face id technology and now apple has responded and has answers direct to his
50:02
questions one of them i put in bold because you
50:06
didn't know how the heck apple did this and now we get to know
50:09
so here's just a bunch of bullet points i
50:13
don't want to say al franken's questions because his question will become obvious
50:16
when you just hear the answer yeah answer number one face id data including mathematical
50:21
representations of your face is encrypted and only available to the
50:25
secure enclave this data never leaves the device it is not sent to apple nor
50:31
is it included in device backups cool
50:34
uh the your face face image is captured or discarded once the representation is
50:38
calculated for comparison meaning
50:41
that they can never surrender it to the authorities the fbi can't ask for it
50:45
because apple just never has it um they oh this is cool so ir and depth
50:51
images were collected in studies conducted with participants informed
50:54
consent so we had we had talked about you know how exactly did they train the
50:58
bloody thing because they said they used billions of images and Linus was asking
51:01
well where the heck did they get these billions of images and it turns out they
51:04
actually just took them themselves it's not they haven't said that they've
51:08
taken taken photos of a billion different people that seemed silly they
51:11
probably took thousands of photos of hundreds of people i mean they're apple
51:15
they could conceivably pay every single person on earth like 60 bucks
51:20
to or like they could pay a billion people like 60 bucks to take a picture
51:24
of them send us a selfie yeah um
51:28
so they took multiple pictures with multiple different types of sensing technology including ir and cool
51:32
presumably of like 360 views so there you go they are taking security for it
51:37
pretty darn seriously next topic posted by numlock21 on the
51:41
forum this
51:45
oh boy someone at ASUS actually we know specifically who andrew
51:50
wu the rog motherboard product manager
51:54
someone at ASUS andrew wu is uh in a fair bit of trouble
51:58
right now this is some serious under bus throwing yeah this is some
52:02
this is some foot in mouth being run over by the wheel of the bus
52:08
with the foot in the mouth so the head gets run over too and the foot just gets
52:11
further in there yeah like it like the heels up and the wheel rolls over the
52:15
heel and jams it through the back of you can't even gag because there's too much
52:19
foot yeah um so in an interview with bit
52:22
tech bit tech basically we'll give you kind
52:25
of the rundown they basically go can you explain in technical detail why
52:30
coffee lake won't work with z270 motherboards
52:34
mpm the pm goes oh it's it's Intel's decision bittex says so it's not a
52:39
physical limitation Intel said it was to do with the power
52:42
delivery pm goes not really
52:46
it power delivery makes a little bit of difference but not much
52:51
so bit tech goes so what are they referring to the the 20 or so unused pins from before he
52:57
goes yes so if you wanted an Intel let you you
53:01
could make z270 compatible pm goes yes
53:05
but you would also require an upgrade uh from the management engine a BIOS
53:10
update until somehow has locked the compatibility
53:15
whoa okay um
53:21
it basically just comes down to stability then until i just did this for visibility so
53:27
this is one of those situations where i run into trouble
53:30
because i know things that were told to me off the record
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well well no i'm just it's not about that i'm just
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messing with you i know things off the record
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that they're they're not they don't conflict
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with any of this information because
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what he said was that here maybe maybe i
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can help the audience infer
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based on what he said because all the information is really in there if you
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read between the lines so Intel said it was to do with the power
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delivery and he says not really it makes a little bit of
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difference
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they did change something
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why did they do it surely Intel would have saved themselves
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some cost and changed nothing
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if they didn't feel like they had to change something
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for some reason
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because if we're going to attack this problem from the tin foil hat mindset
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of these money grubbing companies don't want to spend any money and they want to
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take ours surely we can all agree that Intel would
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have done absolutely nothing if there wasn't some reason that they
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perceived that they had to do something
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so they did something
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it according to this interview had to do with the power delivery
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also according to this interview ASUS could make it compatible
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if Intel wasn't locking it out
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for some reason may be related to why they did something
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it's all in the interview i haven't said anything that i wasn't supposed to pass
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along is there any possible way that we could uh like hack it and make it work
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no okay even ASUS can't do it because
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Intel would have to update emmy okay
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second question do you think that uh andrew wu here kind
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of backpedals at the end where he says uh you know it's not that big of a deal
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anyway because people who bought uh z270 just 10 months ago when it came out
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they're probably not likely to be the type of consumer who's going to upgrade anyway it's people with older systems
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who are going to upgrade so to me it really has nothing to do with that
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because you know when um when kaby lake came out
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you know for a long time once until launches a new CPU for a long time
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sometimes like right through the entire time it's available you can buy the last
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generation chipset which actually usually has the same features because
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they don't change much if they don't have to um you can you can buy those old
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ones for a little bit cheaper so if you wanted a z170 board with a 7700k you
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would get overclocking unlocked for your k-series
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chip you'd get just as many SATA ports you'd get this you get that
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and overall performance would in most cases
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be very similar and someone's car alarms go off oh no someone set off the actual
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alarm is that a 101 or is that here
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do you mind investigating thank you sir
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the alarms are going off in here uh yeah so sorry about that guys we getting
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stolen um
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this is a job for laser james
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ha ha they laughed at me
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they're still laughing at you that's why i'm here
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you it looks like my work here is done
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good work laser james i have an unblockable soil
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so anyway um
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from this interview reading between the lines of this interview
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they probably could have made it compatible there is some reason related to the
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power delivery that they decided not to and not only decided not to but also
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decided to do actual work on z370 at a
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great expense now do i necessarily think then that this
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makes Intel some kind of a white knight no
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because what they have also done is they've released only a single 300
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series chipset z370 the highest priced one in their
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stack so you don't even have the option to buy you know like uh
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an 8400 for example and pair it with a cheapo board because it because it
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doesn't it's not unlocked for overclocking anyway so
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yeah that's pretty greasy are they clearly trying to extract more value
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from the customer yeah if they felt bad about it they would have done like the bare minimum like just like
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almost at cost okay like eating it so if they had no margin on the on the mobos
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all right so they're they're clearly trying to you know you know do corporate things
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you know the raw is you know average uh cart price or whatever the those metrics
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that e-tailers look for the drive attach you know that kind of
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stuff they're clearly doing that but i'm also not necessarily one of the
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people holding a torch going you should be able to plug a coffee lake
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into a z270 because there does appear to
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be an actual physical change that they made that
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they felt was necessary for the most stable and optimal operation um honestly
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i think one of the big reasons that we only got z370 is Intel was fully aware
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that coffee lake supply was going to be extraordinarily limited and they figured
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well if people like if we can't keep them on shelves
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anyway then we might as well sell them to the people that we're gonna go out there and
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spend the most on the best chipset and the top of the line well that's not what
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he's saying he's saying that people who are just ready to upgrade who didn't upgrade to
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z270 can upgrade now
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but they're gonna have to do that to great expense yeah i mean that's that's
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that's his whole thing and i'm not i'm making my i'm drawing my own conclusions
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here about what exactly Intel was doing with their strategy
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so i'll leave it to you guys to sort of come up with your own uh
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your own answers here but i do want to show you your own answers to something
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we discussed earlier let's go ahead and pull up our micro
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transactions poll from earlier in the show
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fifty dollar game how much is it acceptable to spend per year on micro
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transactions so first uh alex how much per year is it acceptable to spend
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one fifty dollar game nothing nothing okay so
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you are actually the second most popular
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answer okay 38 of our voters think it's okay to
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spend up to ten dollars on a fifty dollar game
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so like a little treat it's a little something for yourself some horse armor you know yeah
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um
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canadian that's like that's like six how many rubles is that
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um okay 31 of you are saying zero
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dollars period 22 of you 50 bucks and 10 percent of you
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must be like some kind of mega ballers because you think it's okay to spend
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between 50 to over a hundred dollars on
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microtransactions in your game are you for real i can't even imagine spending that kind
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of money on microtransactions mlg baby you're not hardcore
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yeah that much is that much i mean i i didn't even spend that much on my car
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like look at my car it's not even worth a hundred dollars
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seriously i took it down tried to trade it in new straw pool new straw poll how
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much would you pay for alliance's car
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i bet i bet you could get more than 100 bucks okay so that's okay that's a bit of that
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there's an issue with that though uh you're taking all those phones
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what's that one on the bottom oh the pixel oh okay so hey guys uh this
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is another cool teaser so um those of
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you who aren't subscribed over on Floatplane won't actually know this yet
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but brandon here is going to be working on a first for our channel
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a smartphone camera roundup that why are you why
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why are you doing this this is this is how i'm going to be on the show now
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you're behind the mic yeah that's good stay there stay there because those are
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those are so ridiculous so anyway um
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i've never really done in-depth phone camera testing because frankly
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i mean you're not a camera person i'm not qualified thank you brandon um so so
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with the pixel 2 and the iphone 8
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and to a lesser extent the s8 but definitely
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the note 8 the camera was like the thing they wanted to talk about so
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brandon's going to be doing a dedicated video sometime probably next week on Floatplane hopefully um hopefully maybe
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the following week really picking these phones apart and figuring out which one
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is more camera for your dollar attached to a phone and you're throwing a dslr
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into the mix aren't you yes oh boy well we'll see oh boy
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many many use cases is that almost a separate video i don't know the whole
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like should you still buy you know a a 600 700 dslr i want to talk about that
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you want to talk about it maybe we should just bring you on for like a WAN Show segment or something i don't know
62:57
you know my favorite part about this whole thing is brandon hates smartphone
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camera commentary he hates when people talk about it he hates when there's
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videos about the iphone camera he hates it now he has to do it to clarify
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i do not hate the iphone and smartphone cameras being good i do however hate the
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thousands of articles i've seen over the years about things that are shot on the
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iphone being making it seem like the iphone was the
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best tool for i get i i get it it's good enough for this use case and it can work
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perfectly but there is no one who can sit there and
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tell me that the iphone is a better camera in most use cases for a
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professional situation brandon just your pills i can tell you that i won't have
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any credibility but i can tell you that just to get his blood pressure up
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right he's not even going to make it into work on monday he'll have had like four heart
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attacks also i just realized why aren't we
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calling the pixel xl the pixel
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the pixico the cool the pixel double xls all right so
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thanks for watching guys we'll see you again next week same bad time same bad
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channel and yes i'm really ending the show on that terrible joke deal with it
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oh man
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haha i got the end of show on even worse of a joke
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what's the baddest grammar
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yeah halo you can just host a dedicated server we should totally set one up
64:43
we don't really discuss that we're still live you know oh really
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i didn't know that oh and if we set up a server it will be a
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legit game surfer so no bad bad alex