oh all right it's when show time again
here we got to get our spacing right here there we go
perfect oh man
you always push me away from the mic so you're way louder than me no i'm way
louder than you because i'm way louder than you i pushed you away from the mic because i'm the one who's actually you
know looking at the show and okay okay here i think we look symmetrical
you know what here just a second hold on let me let me let me explain let me let
me explain something something here let's go ahead we'll we'll give you guys some screen capture
to look at here instead of james there you go okay so uh oh that that really
doesn't work very well what i'm doing right now okay that's not really the point the point is look at the distance
here see this distance not enough distance you gotta
there
see how much there wasn't there was a no mansplaining rule on the WAN Show
no no you're allowed to land splain that's we've been through this so we've
got a lot of great topics for you guys today topic number one where is luke
which is i'm sure the only one that you actually care about at this point because this freaking can you take those
off i'm not taking them off oh you have to take them off i feel like jc denton
he's not using the laser okay so
ed can you can you came up for us for a second here can you just show them what
the heck is going on such that james figures he needs wow
thank you i'm sure glad i had a professional camera operator do that
that's much appreciated so that right there look at that he knows how to use
the focus ring and everything i'm holding it
so that right there is our new laser cutter and these no no no you can't wear them
the whole show let me tell you the whole the whole sunglasses during a tech video
podcast thing has been done no one likes
it my vision is augmented have you even played deus ex this is
sick this is harsh i have played hold on a
second which one is uh specific wavelengths like
yeah it cuts out all the bs and leaves you with awesome
no can you no no can i at least just continually put
them on like periodically throughout the show you can only keep them on for a
maximum of 30 seconds at a time deal
okay and and they have a 10 minute cooldown
10 minute cooldown by the way yes i have played deus ex
um but i only played the widely regarded as kind of crap sequel invisible
invisible war i actually enjoyed it having not played
the original and never playing one since i i actually really enjoyed it
so i said yeah do you really really not want to miss uh
yeah i really don't want to miss badminton this guy's trying to send me on a freaking also you didn't center our
camera way to go ed or did he no not quite it needs to go a
little bit more towards james thank you he's trying to send me on a business
trip during my badminton night i get one night a week one night a week when i get
to go out and do something fun and this guy wants to send me to where where are
you trying to send me la yeah
one syllable cities
that's two syllables la oh
all right so we've got a lot of great topics for you guys today um
Gigabyte responded via email i hope i hope i can talk about this i think it
was kind of a it was kind of a statement um so they responded via email to my
um question about exactly what the heck is going on with motherboard or with
coffee lake performance from motherboard to motherboard and i've also heard from
ASUS so we'll be talking a little bit about that um activision has patented
a technique for social engineering
micro transactions in games i love it
it's way more evil than it sounds
and it sounds pretty damn evil
so that should give you some idea what else we got
oh i can talk now yeah yeah yeah ah reportedly apple has cut down
production of the iphone 8 for november and december buy a large margin cut down
cut got cut axed and a pixel 2 xl color issue that Linus
may or may not have experienced i actually want to know
we'll get there you know what i haven't okay yeah you know why don't we roll the intro we'll talk about it later we'll
talk about it later wancho and we'll also do that first topic i
promised where is luke
i'm wearing the sunglasses now with the 30 seconds doesn't count until the intro hey you have one fan
kavor x95 likes you lots of people like
me yeah let's not get ahead of ourselves you have one pen that's not true oh do
you want me to send you screenshots uh dar bullets james just know
uh-huh that guy doesn't count that's a child uh die wolf laust where
is luke um that's because he's pleasantly
surprised to see me uh zen walrus says you're sick and i think he means like
disgusting not like good nope that's both those are both good to
me those are both good to you
sponsors i forgot we were still on the intro the
intro screen there i don't know how ed managed how hard is
this okay this much frame
it's like there's like this much extra i i always tell the camera people i'm like
can you center the ARM in the frame and they're like yes and then they don't do
it i think they're just messing with me i think at this point people are
actually just screwing with me when they do things wrong um
all right so why don't we get into coffee like performance first have you have you heard about this have you seen
this yes i read it so it comes down to a feature yeah that is enabled by default
on some boards but not enabled by default on others yep so uh ASUS
statement was actually i'm gonna have a quick look at my email here and make
sure that this is on the record um
because it's one of those frustrating things where sometimes we actually
we actually know more than we can say because industry
contacts don't want to get themselves in trouble mind you there's a pretty funny
story actually about ASUS and being sort of on the record when you
thought you weren't on the record no no no no put them on no no put them on i'm
not going to i'm going to put them here uh being on the record when you didn't
realize you're on the record and saying something that kind of threw Intel under the bus we'll get to that later but um
first up yes i actually asked do you guys have an official statement on the
whole auto overclocking thing so the whole discrepancy between
it was especially visible in heavily multi-threaded tests like cinebench
between you know one reviewer's results with coffee lake and in others where
people were getting up to like 300 point differences in cinebench seems to have
come down to some motherboard manufacturers most notably ASUS enabling
a feature by default on their boards
that effectively overclocks the CPU
right out of the box running all of the cores at the maximum turbo rather than
just one or two or however many were supposed to be enabled at that
particular speed so i asked and this is
my subject line so i think i've absolved myself of any responsibility for this
being something that can't go out to the public for an official statement from
ASUS on the whole auto overclocking thing uh but i actually you know what i should
probably talk about gigabytes statement first so they proactively sent this to
me and they're basically just like good luck no no i can read this they're
basically just like hey i uh just watched your rant show
that's that's cool Gigabyte watches the lan show like you guys are the lan show
you guys make the news i'm just like blah blah blah like this about it um
just wanted to comment on the variants and scores there's been some discussion
over Intel turbo policy and enhanced multi-core performance i'm sure you are
aware this is a feature that pegs all cores at the max turbo frequency so in
the case of the 8700k this is 4.7 gigahertz across all cores
now something that's really happened over the last couple of generations of
Intel's turbo boost technology is that the difference between base clock and
max turbo clock has increased a lot so
it used to be that if you had a multi-core enhancement feature and you
just boosted everything it was just a little bit and the reason they've done
that is so they can get higher efficiency better battery life stuff
higher efficiency cpus overall yeah basically so the idea is that Intel's
going okay well here's what we're comfortable rating it for when all the cores are operating
and we want to tune it better and better and better
for lightly threaded workloads so you can get more performance out of just
like a game that only utilizes one or two cores or any other single threaded
application so you can but they wouldn't have rated the CPU for
4.7 gigahertz on all the cores at the thermal and at the power consumption
targets that they have so there's going to be a stability issue
there and that's what this uh person from Gigabyte is hinting at yeah the
reason they don't don't put it on by default there's potential for a stability issue because
it is in effect overclocking
and it produces more heat and so this is why our 8700k review had our chip
consuming a lot of power compared to what we might have expected and we
probably should have investigated that further so we were using an ASUS board
we were using an ASUS board so we've typically used ASUS boards for our
launch coverage of any new CPU for
i don't know the last five five or so CPU launches um
see how he drinks water to buy himself time um i drink ASUS water but
the reality of it is that we've found it has really more to do with the
pre-review support for us uh the fact that we can email anytime night or day
and we're getting a response within like 20 minutes um and that has really made
our lives a lot easier when we're trying to iron out what are often
bugs with the CPU with the RAM with the
board being able to get new BIOS's that address these or get answers when there
is no BIOS to address it helps us out a lot and that's the main reason that
we've been doing that um so
we had all we were running the board at default which we assumed was kind of
okay so here's here's my response from
from ASUS well um we've been doing it that way for
a few years so they're basically saying like hey this isn't really anything new
um so i really don't know what there is to say
um we the motherboard makers in general this
is kind of the statement we get slammed for enabling it then we all disable it then we get
slammed for not doing it because it's kind of free performance and kind of
within spec then we place warnings on enabling it
and that gets ignored so i guess now we're back to not enabling
it with some new BIOS updates next week
do you have an opinion on whether or not they should enable it um i'm standing
here i think you should have it off by default it's still a feature that's
included it is just a switch you turn on in the BIOS so it's easy to do
if people as long as people know about it that you're not losing out on that
free performance you still have it available to you if you want it but how
would people know about it i would argue that the average user even the average
user who builds their own computer isn't going to touch a feature called
multi-core enhancement sounds pretty sweet to me yeah it sounds
pretty sweet but there's also like a lot of stuff within a BIOS that might seem
sweet on the surface but you turn it on and your computer doesn't boot anymore
until you you know because remember you're a novice user you go into your
manual you figure out what the hella cmos reset is you go find that stupid
button or header and you you know 15 minutes 30 minutes later you got your
computer back on you kind of go oh i'm not going to touch any of that stuff anymore it would come down to marketing
but you can't market something that's just
um i mean yeah i guess you kind of you can but they don't want you using
that anyway like if you're ASUS or Gigabyte or MSI they've all got over
auto overclocking tools that are much more sophisticated than that built into
their boards that are like turning up the speed testing it to make sure it's
okay turning it up some more testing it again and they want you using that stuff
so how do those features reconcile with this feature if you have them both on
um it's a good question truthfully haven't played around with it a whole
lot nah so honestly i don't really plan to because
i don't really personally recommend either of them as the most optimal way
to overclock i still believe that doing it manually yourself is the best way to
overclock so um
yeah apparently we're slightly out of focus
i i just i don't even i don't even know i don't even know why we have camera
people anymore um speaking of which i need a camera person
right now oh alex is taking the wheel oh wow
taking wow the focus wheel well hey actually that's not bad damn girl
that's that's not you should have seen the celie you just
did i can't do it but he did that okay come show them that weird thing that you
do give us the celly it weirds me out
i like that you only do it twice you can do it more but it gets weird
after that all right are we on to the next one uh yeah let's
move on to the next topic here um activation i don't want to do that topic
oh i do though yeah we'll do that topic all right all right all right we'll talk
about it so this was originally posted by wm groom ak on the forum the original
article here is actually from rolling stone of all publications well there was
a more original one but it the site had that slideshow format so i wasn't
messing with that okay so james
how on a scale of one to aids plus cancer
plus leprosy where would you put
activism activision's research into
using matchmaking tricks so you guys know
in-game matchmaking like pairing one party with another using in-game
matchmaking tricks to sell in-game items
if i work there if i'm an executive or a shareholder
this is awesome do you own shares so sick in activation no i don't okay so
then how do you feel about it from a gaming perspective
it's all over folks throw in the towel games suck from now on
this is a brutal direction hold on there is some good news they've actually
patented the technique so not all games suck hopefully no one else can do this
just all the huge major titles from this giant company
so okay let's get into this activision was granted a patent this month for a
system it uses to influence players in multiplayer games to purchase game items
through micro transactions so the system uses
it alters the matchmaking process so typically players are put into games
together based on a wide variety of factors including skill level internet
latency and your availability of friends the way it should be you should be
skilled so that everyone's playing a fun
round of you know counter go source or whatever it is that
the kids are playing these days right but now they've added this runecraft
extra vector yeah this extra vector of mark into the matchmaking process that
basically tries to get you in the game with people who have bought stuff that
you haven't bought yet so that psychologically you kind of see them
using it and you want to buy it and it also so the the
the article also describes part of the technique being to take inexperienced
players and intentionally put them in close
proximity to players who are good at a
skill that they aspire to be good at and who have an item that appears to be
related to that skill so let's say that a a really skilled player has like a
great sniper rifle for example
um then they're gonna they're gonna pair this player who
and you can you can tell so much about people from the way that they game
actually well i mean you can tell a lot about how how they want a game anyway so
someone's like always playing sniper classes but sucks
you can tell i don't even think it's skill level aspire to be a sniper no no
well there's that too there's there's multiple aspects of it right so they
they'll take like an unskilled sniper who wants to be good at sniping they'll
put them near a good sniper who has great equipment
like hat of plus one that they've said
or whatever premium stuff that they paid for that they paid for
and kind of watch
right and then continually retool it and re-optimize
to get more people buying microtransactions if my
children ever pay for an in-game item
i'm cutting them off they're out of the will they're gonna be out dude they're out of the will that's gonna happen
really soon you guys heard it here first out of the will can i get in there
because digital like in-game items
i don't know see we're old school we can be kind of cool we used to just buy a
game and have the whole game then expansion packs came out and that was
just bonus and awesome then it all went to and now it's poo
dlc is just like how you get the whole game okay hold on hold on so
what i realized when i was talking about cutting my kids out of the will
is that i i think i've actually bought digital
items before um they don't know i know i know so they
won't be cut out of the will but but but if they spend too much on them
what's too much then they're cut out of the well that can be written in the will too much is yeah too much is um you know
i think i think more than um
you know what that is a really good straw poll question
once okay so i wanna i wanna frame this in a pretty specific manner because
there's a couple of different ways you can define too much like
i would take a free-to-play game where the in-game items are purely
cosmetic and it's not a pay-to-win
and i would kind of look at it and i'd go you know what buying a skin or two or
a character here and there to support the developer who's running a
free-to-play game but has a lot of costs associated with it big time probably
okay but if we're talking triple a title like
we're talking like a 69.99 oh yeah 79.99
aaa title or or worse yet like a collector's edition that came in a tin
so you've like already spent 130 150 bucks on this thing
and you can't even put the master chief helmet on because it's actually mini
right and you run out and you blow like another 50 bucks 100 bucks on it i think
that is totally different so i want to create a specific scenario
for you guys because we're talking activision blizzard here so we are not
talking about free to play games okay you pay for the game
um so so let's say let's say a 50 game
just for the sake of argument okay i know that's almost nothing is 50 bucks anymore it's
either more because it's aaa or it's like 20 30 bucks because it's indie but let's
say 50 game acceptable amount to spend on micro
transactions i think you should attach a time frame here
because if i'm playing wow for like six years and i spend 300
whatever but if this is a period of six months or something like that okay
yeah that's fair per year first year okay let's do per year okay so first i i
for you hardcores out there i'm putting in the zero dollar option okay don't
worry i'm putting in the zero dollar option hardcores or cheapskates
okay so i've got uh
okay while you set that up i want to talk about another thing that this algorithm does that's uh this even just
takes it to the next level once you do make an in-game purchase so
they put you in a match with the expert sniper uh you were totally attracted to it you
ended up buying this sniper rifle once you made that purchase they're then
going to take actions that make you feel good about that purchase they don't want
you to regret the purchase so on your next match they're going to put you in a
game where you're you're not in a close quarters match you're going to be put in
a game where that purchase is advantageous they're going to put you in blood gulch or whatever a sniper
friendly match so you can actually when's the last time you played that's
old school man people like the show i don't even like the old school they like
the throwbacks i know what it is hell yeah which means it's old school
that's a classic blood gulch they made that they made that map four different
times it's in every game every halo game okay anyway they're going to put you in
blood into a map where twitch chat is flipping out to blood gulch they love it
wow it's the last online halo game
okay okay go go go go go fire james fire james okay that guy is too young to know
what blood gulch is you should be getting an xbox on ebay just so you can
play it even if you weren't born yet and we need a Linus tech tips halo one
server booyah agreed that'd be sweet okay
do you guys you guys would be down i'm like still playing it
okay i'm not so old school that i am advocating using like the original fatty
controller that controller sucked you're allowed to use the x controller shill
gulch shield you know halo 1 is still like thirty
dollars gulch tip you can still buy it halo one customization is thirty dollars
it's like the first game that i've toured in forever because i was like i'm not paying thirty dollars for this it's
terrible terrible um okay all right all right i'll i'ma
let you finish i'ma let you finish but basically the thing that sucks about
this is that you can tell from the language and the patent that this is not
just going to be affecting in-game purchases like skins and aesthetic
things yeah the language talks about weapons and that just means that the
developers are going to have a monetary incentive to make it play to win so to
me that this looks like this is the direction we're all going the thing about this kind of play-to-win is it's
like a sicker more insidious play to win because
instead of it being okay instead of it being or did i say play to win pay to
win instead of me being able to pay more
to just have better crap than you and walk in and stomp you
i have to lose to you hold on it'll be it'll be pay more
and get a fakeo ego boost because they're
just gonna pair you with crappier players
i can imagine that when they first roll this out it would trick you when they
first roll this out you're gonna be on the team you're gonna be on the same team as the guy with the awesome gun but
then they're gonna find out that it's actually more effective if you're on the opposite team and you just get lit up by
this guy with the awesome gun and you're tired of getting so pwned that
that you go and buy the gun yourself and then you get to the awesome feeling of
wrecking noobs i mean at what point do they then take it a step further and
they start actually fooling you into thinking you're playing against people
you're not like what if they could use
like a neural network to figure out which people in game you actually know
and which people you don't so they could have you playing against the guy you're
playing against the guy who's ripping you apart with a sniper rifle from the
other side of the map okay um or the guy that like literally gets
out of the banshee and like manages to drop it on you every time oh
terrible it's all halo all the time it's all halo all the time from now on okay
um and then in your next game they just
like overlay that person's real avatar and
real on-screen name with like this guy and you like destroy him now that you bought your new gun
do you think they could get that evil why not
i mean it's just an it's just a digital identity that it act is actually
ultimately pretty meaningless as far as it goes if they take two randoms who
don't know each other they just sprinkle bots in
just sprinkle super advanced bots and that just are just pimped out swagged
out they got the the guns are shooting hot pink bullets
is this where we're going holy crap actually this leads us pretty
squarely into another topic we have does it all right yes
yes it does speaking of ai that's just so killer it
can wreck you every time
remember alphago the deep neural neck net that managed to
swamp all the world's top alpha or top go players in the last year uh so this
is uh from gizmodo here there you go
all right tell me about it okay so alphago the first artificial
intelligence to defeat a grand master at the game go just got a major upgrade in
a tournament that pitted ai versus ai
the regular alphago got completely completely wrecked 100 games to zero by
the new version of alphago called alphago zero
why did they call it alphago zero if it gets 100 and not zero
because it's singularity baby how is zero singular what do you know
what the singularity is yeah yeah it's like
converging to zero i'm making this up
what i'm trying to justify the names you're talking about
okay the thing that's cool about this is the original alphago
had a training data set of thousands of previously played go games played by
humans that were amateurs or professionals like go this is a
completely unsupervised like reinforcement learning algorithm that
had no training data set no trading data set it started only with the rules of
the game go and in three days could beat the original go
is that insane so it played 4.9 million games against
itself to acquire the expertise needed to beat
the original alphago for comparison the original alphago had
30 million games for inspiration
wow after 40 days it defeated a more sophisticated version of alphago called
alphago master and that was the version that defeated the world's best go
players last year it gets even crazier it did this not
only is it better it's not even that they just like threw more computing
power at it it's way more efficient the original alphago master had
48 tpus or tensor processing units this one
four four tpus that's an
order of magnitude more efficient
now this is like not generally ai at all
yeah this is playing a game but it's like myth it's it's uh
yeah okay
but this thing could wreck you at halo 2. i don't well
okay so that the okay it'll smash you with banshees every time you're getting
stuck from across the map no scope headshots
there's a pistol headshot yeah
all right uh one more topic before we go into ads uh this was originally posted
by jamie scone jammies jammiescon
whatever on the forum and the original oh jamie is gone
uh the original article is from kitguru.net
no i don't want your notifications apple reportedly cut down
iphone 8 production already
i mean if it if it wasn't a strong enough indication
that iphone 8 isn't doing particularly well that there were literally no
lineups like that was a big thing with the iphone 8 launch
this seems to be
this seems to pretty much drive the point home apparently
iphone 8 and 8 plus production has been reduced by about 50
for november and december which are typically
pretty uh strong sales months for mobile
devices and this is apparently the first time apple has reduced iphone production
so early in the cycle this is really worrying considering like
the bright side of this would be to assume that all these people who aren't
buying the 8 are just waiting to buy the 10 but
but they probably won't even be able to buy the 10. and the other issue is that
apparently a lot of people are opting for the iphone 7 instead of the eight
which is frankly a decision that okay a
makes a lot of sense to me in the first place because the iphone 7 and 8 are
really really not very different you're getting way more eyes per dollar
and number two the more people go out there and buy the
iphone 7 the longer the support cycle we are
likely to see on that product because and this is this is something that's i
that actually comes up fairly often when i'm talking about you know what tech
product you should buy a lot of the time it doesn't work out to be in your best
interest to go and buy say the most expensive motherboard because a lot of
the time what can end up happening is because they sell so few units of that
model it might end up with a very short support cycle and a much smaller install
base of people to call into tech support and complain if something goes wrong
they might end up with more compatibility issues down the line because of that smaller install base
installing a wide variety of hardware to to you know
find out if there's any issues and report them to the manufacturer
so owning the like the popular one
can actually be really good because the iphone 7 here's another thing if there's
a huge install base even not directly from apple even if we're talking from
app developers if there's a huge install base of these iphone 7's because apple was effectively
selling them for two years at full pop or at full speed then you're gonna see
app developers really focus on optimizing for that phone for a longer
time into the future as those iphones start to have their
screens broken or start to be replaced it's just going to take longer before
you aren't worth investing in anymore so
the fact that there's this momentum on the iphone 7 becomes sort of a self um
self-reinforcing positivity snowball and
the more people realize that the iphone 7 is a great
choice compared to the eight the more it will be a great choice compared to the
eight that's where i was coming to that's your positivity
snowball that's my positivity snowball
um so i mean i ended up just by chance with a couple of those
types of devices so the ipad one was a big steaming pile of beta um it it
didn't end up being supported for very long it was thick the battery life sucked it was super slow iphone 2 did i
say iphone she said ipad okay good ipad 2
way better in every way like fantastic and made a ton of sense as a product for
quite some time because even the ones that came after it were adding things
like high resolution displays that actually
ended up hurting battery life as much as they increased the resolution of the
display they ran hotter like the ipad 2 had stuff going for it for like three or
four generations afterwards it wasn't until the air i think that we got one
that was higher resolution and better battery and ran cooler was like better
in every possible way um so my ipad 2 ended up getting
supported almost forever and the same with the ipad or with the iphone 4. and
i ended up with like both of them at the same time i was like this is great apple support
for like four or five years this is awesome um
but it doesn't always work out like that so it's really nice when you end up with something like that and it looks like
the iphone 7 could be another one i personally wish it had been the success
because it has a headphone jack but um
sorry guys button got the watch oh oh yeah the apple watch what about it
os4 oh you're just upset because you lost that playlist feature yeah so apple
right does not behave in this way every time you have a second gen
yeah second gen yeah ed just lost a feature that was deprecated seemingly
and we have no you know insider knowledge of apple or anything but
seemingly to make room for a new version of the feature that is only available on
the new one that has lte connectivity
so you're just going to buy the new one aren't you what
you are aren't you are you already wearing it
no did you already buy the new one did you already order it that's crazy are
you going to the apple store after this weekend
he's already on the apple store right now yeah i have to get this replaced because i
have a chip on there oh and i'll sell this one then you'll sell that one and
get the new are you really gonna get the new one
oh see you are everything that's wrong with oh man you're killing me he's one
of those apple people do you actually need something or you're what can i do for you
how to where l.a uh oh do i when do i have to decide
sooner is better late today like are we are we making a thing for us
there i don't know probably not no let's go with now i don't know we'll
talk about it later we'll talk about it later okay uh right right we've gotta do
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no one ever invites me to things yeah
i'm going along this weekend uh you should uh hear about it on monday when i
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you went to wwe this week yeah nobody
asked me about that i went to smackdown live i actually have check this out
check this out um here i i sent an email to myself
to remind myself really ask james about
wwe because here here it is here it is so i sent
this to myself on october 17th three days ago because
uh i the day after because i i was like super i was super curious
what was wd i mean you're not like a wwe fan right no
so you think it's kind of ridiculous i i watched it as a child and then
watched it for way longer than i would have because my friend was super into it
you didn't know it was fake really no i'm just joking of course you
know it's fake it's kind of like uh it was kind of slap
sticky slapstick there was a couple lol moments watching it live actually
none of the big superstars that i know of were there of course because they're
all retired now like stone cold it's not gonna show up so it was all like no
names to me so i felt more like i was at like one of
those mexican wrestling events just because they were all no names and they're doing stupid stuff and one guy
actually had a mexican uh wrestling mask on so that contributed to the feel
family fun and uh pretty entertaining
how much was it 20 bucks that's why i went
it was sweet all right it was sweet so tell me how sweet was it
was it sweet in a this was a great way to turn my brain
off for two hours on a tuesday night way or was it great
you know like i'm gonna start finding out who these guys are and following the storylines not a chance it was a great
in the like i get to hang out and like have dinner and spend the evening with
my childhood friend who i only get to see like every quarter kind of way and
it was only 20 bucks it was 50 bucks wouldn't have done it no not a chance sorry childhood friend
you're worth it i'd hang out with him without
but not 50 bucks just wouldn't went to that with him
but yeah it was sweet best part was the uh the voice announcer guy
yeah i love that like the ability to like grab the microphone and
the you know like let's get ready to rumble kind of guy are we even allowed
to say that i know we can't do it with the intonation he has like that like
trademarked yeah the intonation yeah just say it like stephen hawking style
ready to i don't even know if you can say it at all oh my god it's one of those things
like the whole um the whole copyright on happy birthday that actually recently
was that one was overturned but where like nobody even realizes that you
you like can't say this stuff because they'll actually go after you you know
that rudolph was invented by coca-cola no
let that bake your noodle for a second huh they also made santa claus red
enjoy coke how about that
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what else we got here like what's interesting did you know that google's
first system auto chip designed in-house is in the pixel 2 that you've been using
all week no you didn't know because they just announced it now really there's a
chip in there that you don't know about
the pixel visual course this was originally posted by z ramsey on the on
the forum and the original article here is from the verge google's first mobile
chip that's not an soc that's an image processor dang it
what you're telling me the verge is wrong hold on a second what are these what are
they saying okay hold on hold on hold on pixel visual core
soc uh purposeful version of call comes down
and another purpose in this case accelerating that
okay so my understanding of the definition of an soc is that it has to
have basically all the elements of a
of like a more traditional like CPU motherboard
GPU io
wow especially among academics soc is
sociology why don't we look for a much more better
definition wow
it's pronounced soch
yeah i'm gonna have to double check the definition here because i wouldn't think an image processor would be an soc so it
integrates all components of a computer
or other electronic system may contain digital analog mixed signal and often
radio frequency functions all on a single substrate
okay well if they're calling it an soc maybe there's more to this thing than i
necessarily thought but here we go we've actually got a uh we've got a look at it
here so the coolest aspects of the pixel
visual core maybe that it's already in google's devices they both have it built
in but laying dormant until yes
it's laying dormant until they activate over the coming months so
right now it's used just to process HDR plus
stuff way faster faster than you've experienced it it
hasn't been activated yet interesting and that's not all they're
actually going to use it for more applications than just that they haven't
told us what but we'll see more image and machine learning
enhancements being added to the pixel 2 over the coming months very interesting
so here's a here's a look at it
so here's the course here's the link to memory
PCIe
wow huh it's super interesting to me that they
didn't announce this at their made by google hardware event
i guess they didn't have it ready in time but they still ship devices with it
they didn't have the the software implementation ready in time so they
just laid low until now you would have thought they would have
at least announced it like when reviewers had hands on so
so they're saying each of its eight processors has been tailored to handle
HDR plus duties resulting in HDR plus performance that is five times faster
at one tenth of the energy of current of the current implementation
now when they say current implementation there do you think they mean
what your pixel can currently do before this is turned on yeah that's smooth
baby so they say they'll enable it as a developer option in the preview of
Android oreo 8.1
wow and that there's going to third-party
apps will have the ability to handle HDR
photo so we'll see more imaging and machine learning enhancements added to
the pixel 2. so the pixel 2 is already getting a pretty good review
that went up on Floatplane last night and will be added to
youtube i think on sunday is when we're gonna see that video go live so uh right
now Floatplane has got uh scrapyard wars
parts two and three then tomorrow it's gonna get
scrapyard wars part four when youtube gets part two
and it's also got um and you're in scrapyard wars
yeah so am i you're in scrapyard wars kinda
you're in scrapyard worth just talking no just the voiceover oh you're the voiceover oh that's nice yes listen oh
that's it is nice i like doing that listen up keep your ears peeled if you
can peel in here for this whimsical voice um so also over
there we've got the MSI vortex g25 review we've got the mass drop vast 35
inch curved gaming monitor uh you worked on that one uh we've got our video of
the let's have a look here what else have we got over there
oh lg wallpaper tv part two wait that's
up on youtube now oh first ever sli setup still isn't on youtube so with our
voodoo sli that's over there right now and i think that pretty much uh that
pretty much covers it there's some tech quickies as well all right what else we got for topics
here oh right uh if you guys want to know how to join Floatplane
you should probably go check out this link that i'm about to post in the chat
do you want to move on to our next topic i guess though
sorry i was just talking to a prime about an upcoming build guide
oh yeah is that the uh the value value gaming build guide with ryzen the ryzen
5 best bang for your buck build byed
cool i just want to actually be in there yeah so i may have almost screwed up
this build guide but fortunately james had the foresight to listen to
what i was saying and carefully ignore it beginner's mind
beginners beginners yeah you're familiar with the concept no is it like
beginner's luck but no beginner's mind is when you're like because you don't
know all the minutia you kind of don't take things at face value your question
stuff ah anyway this is actually next topic
is total full circle for us because it's a kind of part two of a topic that you
and i discussed a couple weeks ago so what we had discussed was that senator
al franken submitted like a letter a bunch of questions to apple about their
face id technology and now apple has responded and has answers direct to his
questions one of them i put in bold because you
didn't know how the heck apple did this and now we get to know
so here's just a bunch of bullet points i
don't want to say al franken's questions because his question will become obvious
when you just hear the answer yeah answer number one face id data including mathematical
representations of your face is encrypted and only available to the
secure enclave this data never leaves the device it is not sent to apple nor
is it included in device backups cool
uh the your face face image is captured or discarded once the representation is
calculated for comparison meaning
that they can never surrender it to the authorities the fbi can't ask for it
because apple just never has it um they oh this is cool so ir and depth
images were collected in studies conducted with participants informed
consent so we had we had talked about you know how exactly did they train the
bloody thing because they said they used billions of images and Linus was asking
well where the heck did they get these billions of images and it turns out they
actually just took them themselves it's not they haven't said that they've
taken taken photos of a billion different people that seemed silly they
probably took thousands of photos of hundreds of people i mean they're apple
they could conceivably pay every single person on earth like 60 bucks
to or like they could pay a billion people like 60 bucks to take a picture
of them send us a selfie yeah um
so they took multiple pictures with multiple different types of sensing technology including ir and cool
presumably of like 360 views so there you go they are taking security for it
pretty darn seriously next topic posted by numlock21 on the
forum this
oh boy someone at ASUS actually we know specifically who andrew
wu the rog motherboard product manager
someone at ASUS andrew wu is uh in a fair bit of trouble
right now this is some serious under bus throwing yeah this is some
this is some foot in mouth being run over by the wheel of the bus
with the foot in the mouth so the head gets run over too and the foot just gets
further in there yeah like it like the heels up and the wheel rolls over the
heel and jams it through the back of you can't even gag because there's too much
foot yeah um so in an interview with bit
tech bit tech basically we'll give you kind
of the rundown they basically go can you explain in technical detail why
coffee lake won't work with z270 motherboards
mpm the pm goes oh it's it's Intel's decision bittex says so it's not a
physical limitation Intel said it was to do with the power
delivery pm goes not really
it power delivery makes a little bit of difference but not much
so bit tech goes so what are they referring to the the 20 or so unused pins from before he
goes yes so if you wanted an Intel let you you
could make z270 compatible pm goes yes
but you would also require an upgrade uh from the management engine a BIOS
update until somehow has locked the compatibility
whoa okay um
it basically just comes down to stability then until i just did this for visibility so
this is one of those situations where i run into trouble
because i know things that were told to me off the record
well well no i'm just it's not about that i'm just
messing with you i know things off the record
that they're they're not they don't conflict
with any of this information because
what he said was that here maybe maybe i
can help the audience infer
based on what he said because all the information is really in there if you
read between the lines so Intel said it was to do with the power
delivery and he says not really it makes a little bit of
difference
they did change something
why did they do it surely Intel would have saved themselves
some cost and changed nothing
if they didn't feel like they had to change something
for some reason
because if we're going to attack this problem from the tin foil hat mindset
of these money grubbing companies don't want to spend any money and they want to
take ours surely we can all agree that Intel would
have done absolutely nothing if there wasn't some reason that they
perceived that they had to do something
so they did something
it according to this interview had to do with the power delivery
also according to this interview ASUS could make it compatible
if Intel wasn't locking it out
for some reason may be related to why they did something
it's all in the interview i haven't said anything that i wasn't supposed to pass
along is there any possible way that we could uh like hack it and make it work
no okay even ASUS can't do it because
Intel would have to update emmy okay
second question do you think that uh andrew wu here kind
of backpedals at the end where he says uh you know it's not that big of a deal
anyway because people who bought uh z270 just 10 months ago when it came out
they're probably not likely to be the type of consumer who's going to upgrade anyway it's people with older systems
who are going to upgrade so to me it really has nothing to do with that
because you know when um when kaby lake came out
you know for a long time once until launches a new CPU for a long time
sometimes like right through the entire time it's available you can buy the last
generation chipset which actually usually has the same features because
they don't change much if they don't have to um you can you can buy those old
ones for a little bit cheaper so if you wanted a z170 board with a 7700k you
would get overclocking unlocked for your k-series
chip you'd get just as many SATA ports you'd get this you get that
and overall performance would in most cases
be very similar and someone's car alarms go off oh no someone set off the actual
alarm is that a 101 or is that here
do you mind investigating thank you sir
the alarms are going off in here uh yeah so sorry about that guys we getting
stolen um
this is a job for laser james
ha ha they laughed at me
they're still laughing at you that's why i'm here
you it looks like my work here is done
good work laser james i have an unblockable soil
so anyway um
from this interview reading between the lines of this interview
they probably could have made it compatible there is some reason related to the
power delivery that they decided not to and not only decided not to but also
decided to do actual work on z370 at a
great expense now do i necessarily think then that this
makes Intel some kind of a white knight no
because what they have also done is they've released only a single 300
series chipset z370 the highest priced one in their
stack so you don't even have the option to buy you know like uh
an 8400 for example and pair it with a cheapo board because it because it
doesn't it's not unlocked for overclocking anyway so
yeah that's pretty greasy are they clearly trying to extract more value
from the customer yeah if they felt bad about it they would have done like the bare minimum like just like
almost at cost okay like eating it so if they had no margin on the on the mobos
all right so they're they're clearly trying to you know you know do corporate things
you know the raw is you know average uh cart price or whatever the those metrics
that e-tailers look for the drive attach you know that kind of
stuff they're clearly doing that but i'm also not necessarily one of the
people holding a torch going you should be able to plug a coffee lake
into a z270 because there does appear to
be an actual physical change that they made that
they felt was necessary for the most stable and optimal operation um honestly
i think one of the big reasons that we only got z370 is Intel was fully aware
that coffee lake supply was going to be extraordinarily limited and they figured
well if people like if we can't keep them on shelves
anyway then we might as well sell them to the people that we're gonna go out there and
spend the most on the best chipset and the top of the line well that's not what
he's saying he's saying that people who are just ready to upgrade who didn't upgrade to
z270 can upgrade now
but they're gonna have to do that to great expense yeah i mean that's that's
that's his whole thing and i'm not i'm making my i'm drawing my own conclusions
here about what exactly Intel was doing with their strategy
so i'll leave it to you guys to sort of come up with your own uh
your own answers here but i do want to show you your own answers to something
we discussed earlier let's go ahead and pull up our micro
transactions poll from earlier in the show
fifty dollar game how much is it acceptable to spend per year on micro
transactions so first uh alex how much per year is it acceptable to spend
one fifty dollar game nothing nothing okay so
you are actually the second most popular
answer okay 38 of our voters think it's okay to
spend up to ten dollars on a fifty dollar game
so like a little treat it's a little something for yourself some horse armor you know yeah
um
canadian that's like that's like six how many rubles is that
um okay 31 of you are saying zero
dollars period 22 of you 50 bucks and 10 percent of you
must be like some kind of mega ballers because you think it's okay to spend
between 50 to over a hundred dollars on
microtransactions in your game are you for real i can't even imagine spending that kind
of money on microtransactions mlg baby you're not hardcore
yeah that much is that much i mean i i didn't even spend that much on my car
like look at my car it's not even worth a hundred dollars
seriously i took it down tried to trade it in new straw pool new straw poll how
much would you pay for alliance's car
i bet i bet you could get more than 100 bucks okay so that's okay that's a bit of that
there's an issue with that though uh you're taking all those phones
what's that one on the bottom oh the pixel oh okay so hey guys uh this
is another cool teaser so um those of
you who aren't subscribed over on Floatplane won't actually know this yet
but brandon here is going to be working on a first for our channel
a smartphone camera roundup that why are you why
why are you doing this this is this is how i'm going to be on the show now
you're behind the mic yeah that's good stay there stay there because those are
those are so ridiculous so anyway um
i've never really done in-depth phone camera testing because frankly
i mean you're not a camera person i'm not qualified thank you brandon um so so
with the pixel 2 and the iphone 8
and to a lesser extent the s8 but definitely
the note 8 the camera was like the thing they wanted to talk about so
brandon's going to be doing a dedicated video sometime probably next week on Floatplane hopefully um hopefully maybe
the following week really picking these phones apart and figuring out which one
is more camera for your dollar attached to a phone and you're throwing a dslr
into the mix aren't you yes oh boy well we'll see oh boy
many many use cases is that almost a separate video i don't know the whole
like should you still buy you know a a 600 700 dslr i want to talk about that
you want to talk about it maybe we should just bring you on for like a WAN Show segment or something i don't know
you know my favorite part about this whole thing is brandon hates smartphone
camera commentary he hates when people talk about it he hates when there's
videos about the iphone camera he hates it now he has to do it to clarify
i do not hate the iphone and smartphone cameras being good i do however hate the
thousands of articles i've seen over the years about things that are shot on the
iphone being making it seem like the iphone was the
best tool for i get i i get it it's good enough for this use case and it can work
perfectly but there is no one who can sit there and
tell me that the iphone is a better camera in most use cases for a
professional situation brandon just your pills i can tell you that i won't have
any credibility but i can tell you that just to get his blood pressure up
right he's not even going to make it into work on monday he'll have had like four heart
attacks also i just realized why aren't we
calling the pixel xl the pixel
the pixico the cool the pixel double xls all right so
thanks for watching guys we'll see you again next week same bad time same bad
channel and yes i'm really ending the show on that terrible joke deal with it
oh man
haha i got the end of show on even worse of a joke
what's the baddest grammar
yeah halo you can just host a dedicated server we should totally set one up
we don't really discuss that we're still live you know oh really
i didn't know that oh and if we set up a server it will be a
legit game surfer so no bad bad alex