TWITCH SCREWS US OVER - WAN Show Feb 17, 2017
Linus Tech Tips
·Linus Tech Tips
·2017-05-06
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11,632 words · ~58 min read
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and uh here we go
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are we live uh theoretically yes hey
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and we need like a minus tron logo hold on a
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second hold on i'm working on it i'm just getting that getting that centered uh get that cable
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kind of oh yeah that's just i don't think i'm happy everything works but
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this doesn't look good yeah i know i know we're working on it okay
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so it's official
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pretty much everything about
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the WAN Show set up here has been overhauled at this point there
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are still a couple of things that we could do to improve it in fact i have a
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bunch of them listed out in my WAN Show improvement ideas list here oh wow um
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hold on hold on hold on where'd it go oh maybe i deleted it this is a long list
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no no not all of it is list in fact maybe none of it is list uh um
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here we go we could put padding on the table okay so we wouldn't get as much audio
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reflection off the table yeah we could put clouds above the set yep like
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dampening clouds um we could have rolling sheets of acoustic
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batting kind of around the camera on the other side he means like on wheels so we can
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push them around yeah yeah uh not like rolling thunder yeah you know like um
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um actually everything else here that's on
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my list we have already done it what thunder goes wow
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like dubstep thunder look i don't um
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i don't make the rules about how thunder gets impersonated or impressioned um
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either way so people are already asking about the
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casey tron thing oh okay well that's a perfect absolutely
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perfect first topic for the WAN Show today yeah so we should probably explain
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like what was happening hold on a second is is that even one of
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our no how do i even spell k-a-y yeah okay that's not one of our
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topics for the week so we don't have a source for this but before the when
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shows started they didn't do anything wrong no no i mean yeah no no it's not
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yeah it's a just our our uh doc preparation team wouldn't have known
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anything about this so before the show started
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our channel was hosting caseytron yeah
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for some reason maybe you could explain why our channel would have been hosting
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caseytron so i noticed this with my uh
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anyways twitch is doing this thing where there's auto hosting you can have it so
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that when you're not streaming we should explain for people who only really watch
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WAN Show on twitch what exactly hosting means first yeah no i'm getting into
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that oh okay so auto hosting the idea of auto hosting is that it will
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automatically host other channels hosting is where it will show the video
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feed of another channel on your channel when you are offline so the idea behind
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it is that if you were like super bros with someone then you could set your
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channel to host their channel so that
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when you're not streaming they get additional viewers who happen to be on
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your channel it can make a lot of sense especially for groups like nerd fusion
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if one of the guys at nerdfusion is not currently streaming they can host
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another one of their buddies they're all a big team that are trying to help each
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other grow that is very good for that people like kyle and paul
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post each other that makes tons of sense they collab all the freaking time yep um
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people that want to help each other can do that or your channel could do that
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just to try to keep your audience engaged if you have people that stream
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in very similar styles to you that's kind of what it's supposed to be for and
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auto hosting is a way to handle all of
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that and do all of that with you without you having to go like into your chat and
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going slash host space channel name you
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can just set up a group of people that you want to auto host and we'll do that
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just automatically now twitch changed
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something where it went into originally all of these settings were off by
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default and you had to like you had to manually host things it was an opt-in
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you had to manually use things then when they came up with auto hosting you had
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to go put in the channels that you wanted to auto host and then twitch was
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just like well we want this to happen because i just want to jump in and uh like
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i don't know a tenth of the messages in chat are people setting up auto hosting
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for us nice so you guys are cool you guys are broke carry on um so and like it's
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actually really cool the idea of auto hosting yeah but when like you set it up
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it's really cool uh for like your
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friends who might have content styles that you consider to be you know
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appropriate and like related related cool for your audience i
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mean for example our channel is not
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flagged as a mature audience's only channel
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yeah so we probably shouldn't host ones that are mature audiences only and like
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so our what twitch did is they made it so that everyone was auto hosting random
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pools of people so our channel was auto
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hosting casey tron right before the show everyone showed up because rancho is
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supposed to happen we're late as per usual but not like hey we were not that
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late we were late we were like seven minutes late which is actually a lot
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better than normal yes yes but we were still a little late so and people often
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show up early either way so people are here waiting for wan and then casey
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tron's there and it's like what's going on and then she went on the forum and
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then apparently she confused RAM and CPU or something i don't know i read
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something about that in the chat i don't want to directly quote that i don't i
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didn't listen to it i didn't see it i didn't hear it um so yeah anyways our auto hosting has
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been turned off yes sir and ma'am and everything in between yep and
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let's roll the intro we're moving on
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i
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really yeah oh yeah
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oh well that's cool yeah when did that happen
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but today well like the business deal yeah i don't
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know i have no idea but they're they're one of the sponsors of the lan show today
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yeah oh like actually yeah that wasn't a
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mistake cool okay so um you know what i guess probably the
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best thing for us to do right now we're going to have a full like upgrade vlog
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style video of all the improvements most of which you can't see right now the
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whole chat is like oh my god intro had sound
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but we have made a lot of improvements
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to the show i'm just going to show you guys uh some of the stuff we've done so
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check out the desk now it's like okay it doesn't look that tidy but
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trust me trust me it's like pretty tidy like this
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is just our laptop power adapters that are going into um this this power
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splitter here so it's actually completely tidy other than like luke's
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laptop the HDMI cables that we each have
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because we can both screen share now the 10 keyless keyboard that Corsair hooked
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us up with so i have a little bit more space for the keyboard mouse and laptop
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here also you might notice none of the audio
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gear is there because it has all moved
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to the badass go around the monitor uh yeah hold on i got it
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it has all moved to the badass retro server cabinet
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so um none of this would have happened oh oh i
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forgot i forgot like the most important piece the wancho pc
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we made it great again oh how RGB is that my friends
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how RGB on a scale of one to RGB well
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six is the WAN Show pc no there's six RGB okay there are six RGB fans thank
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you for that luke but i also have an RGB mouse and RGB keyboard hooked up to it
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is that RGB keyboard yeah it's an RGB keyboard it looks like a red i just
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don't have it configured right now but it's definitely RGB in its heart okay
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and it's hard that's that's all they ask um so none of that
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would have happened without Corsair hooking us up without um focusrite
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hooking us up with all the new audio gear without epiphan hooking us up with
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see check this out do you have anything incriminating on
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your screen do you okay so we can do Linus's screen we can do
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luke screen boom uh also you're you're in extend mode right now anyway so
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um yep you sure are oh
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uh so we got all that stuff we've got a better WAN Show streaming pc than ever
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before it's got 64 gigs of RAM now six core processor there we go uh NVMe SSD
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boot drive it's like dank af cool super
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dank i saw like it i don't know if they can see there's like the old wan [ __ ] no
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they can't see no they can't see the old WAN Show pc with like
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the RAM and heatsink just strewn on top of it hanging out they're just chilling
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they're just chilling over there see there they are bye-bye
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peace old wednesday pc rest in pieces
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all that you know yeah so uh so i'm super stoked um moved on we have i
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believe and i don't want to jinx it but other than our hideous table
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we have completely moved on to the point where we shouldn't have any issues
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anymore should we tell the story of the table
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sure why we have such an ugly t brandon wanted me to change the table
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do you support brandon's initiative to change the table i don't think so
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i like keeping the table so who was the first person
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to work at Linus media group and use this table me
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and why are there like
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acid etched marks through the paint you
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might have to show them okay okay we're bringing back the webcam yeah also we
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have a webcam now that's all that's going to always be here just as like a
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way for us to just show random stuff i mean obviously it's not like
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color corrected or anything but you see the entire like
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edge of the table here it's like you can see like the main bad
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spots like here and over there yeah yeah so that was
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that's all burning from like my wrists
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from working so long this is the table that the original titan videos all came
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out of that which is like one of the most ridiculous pieces of work i've like literally ever
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done yeah good old original type uh yeah
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this this was my desk for a very long time and the paint's like thin and it's
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isn't it an ikea desk it's so so the story goes even further back the origin
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story was that um we were starting up um
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Linus media group and we had no money
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like like for us budgeting for a gallon of paint to paint
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the walls in the garage was like a significant line item in our startup
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costs yeah um so one of my old
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co-workers at ncix his aunt or something
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was getting rid of some ikea furniture and i kind of went uh ikea furniture has
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kind of that stigma and then he's like no no it's old ikea furniture it's the
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good stuff so this thing is like bomb build like it has a metal frame
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under the incredibly heavy table top like it's
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still some kind of a composite but it's not
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like have you guys ever cut a part it's not like an ikea desk yeah yeah they
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have like corrugated cardboard inside them yeah i mean they're light yeah and
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they're actually very strong and this is not an ikea sales pitch but like it's a
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pretty cool technology you know we save materials and all that
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but like they light up like crazy they weren't built like they're not built
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like this thing that's good for fire resistance so what we did was i got
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again it was a significant investment at the time but i got a spray bomb of like
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kind of textured speckled paint with the idea being that this table can pull
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double duty because it was oh it was incredibly ugly when we got it i think
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this beige color is the actual table top colors like an off-white it's awful so i
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was like this table can pull double duty we'll we'll run our benchmarks with the
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test benches on it and then we can also use this cool texture with this fancy
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paint i spent an extra three dollars on to do like b-roll glam footage on it
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so now we've obviously moved on from that but the table still holds a special
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place in my heart it's one of the first things Linus media group ever owned
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and uh we didn't pay for it it was free did i did i mention that part they were
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giving them away for free yeah so uh that's the story sort of epic and we
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don't need the tables that's right yeah that's right it's fine this table is a
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reminder of where we come from yeah that's right
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so um no no brandon
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bad branded
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all right speaking of out with the old
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in with the new the original source here is wccf tech and they claim
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according to the headline here AMD ryzen lineup and prices confirmed eight cores
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for as low as 320 dollars putting ryzen
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right competitive with twice as many cores and overclocking capability with a
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four excuse me we're up to 7 700 k sorry
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i forgot there was a difference
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oh okay there was there was a thing that not to jump too far but i think this might
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actually be an upcoming topic but we'll get more into it a little bit later yeah there was Intel saying that there's
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gonna be a 15 performance bump on the 8000 series chips and a lot of people
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were brought up a graphic that shows like yeah and you said there's a 15
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performance bump last time too so
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anyways that was awkward i mean what is a bump
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well okay it was in one specific benchmark yeah i think it was like more for their
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mobile chips or something oh no was it like a video transcoding one is the
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onboard GPU better than ever sis marker oh okay so that's marcus
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it's broad enough that it's kind of hard to uh tell
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how well it would represent the improvements yeah did you see me slip
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that in there yeah oh so much shade anyway um
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so the entire ryzen CPU lineup has been verified and pricing confirmed through
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various online retailers
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at least three different cpus are supposed to be available on day one and
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i gotta say if i hated the name ryzen before the amount of hate that i have
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for the model numbers that go with it is an entire order of magnitude higher
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so they will include the ryzen 7
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1800 x
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ryzen 7 1700 x
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and the ryzen 7 1700
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so r7 it's like
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i actually have a video um
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hold on i'm gonna i'm gonna see if i can see it you should make a video just
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called how to name your product um that's actually not a terrible idea
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not that many people would watch it but hopefully they would be important people
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like min lang tan and uh oh
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yeah yeah yeah shaw wide open internet whatever thank you i was playing games
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with uh my brother and a friend of ours the other day and they were both on shaw
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and their internet connection completely cut out multiple times while we were playing and it was funny because you
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knew it was jaw because we'd be playing and then also just both of them are just
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completely gone at the exact same time okay that's great
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so this video is all the evidence that i need
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to back up that confusing naming way
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more views than i thought confusing naming schemes are a big load
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of bollocks that need to be gotten rid of
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nobody knows what a core i3 i5 or i7 is
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5.6 million people you can you could i
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was thinking i could say seven 5.7
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million people had to watch this video
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to understand what the heck is a core i7
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and like apparently they needed it because the like and dislike ratio is like really strong it has 92 000 likes
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with many of the comments being about how annoying my voice is how i'm
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probably gay and uh what's one of the other really
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common ones oh and how my earrings need to die in a fire because any videos so
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all unrelated that i host that get big enough to get out of the circle yeah get
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out of the like sort of people who kind of get it um
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so so other than those comments a lot of is like wow thank you for this video i
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had no idea this was a very confusing thing for me
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AMD is making this even worse what does 7
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mean especially because most of the leaked
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product lineup references that we've seen so far
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indicate that everything in the initial lineup will be seven yeah i sort of hope
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that they come up with r5s and r3s just to like
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be totally horrible also just because i'd want to watch the
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world burn a little bit i mean you already have four
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numbers yeah
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you have seven seventeen hundred maybe
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that first number could mean something and then the next one could mean
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something and then the other two could mean something i yeah and like again
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and they probably will have some horrible document that's like
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what do the product lineup numbers mean um so what do the model numbers mean
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Intel Intel actually has this here you go
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here we go if you need this
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you suck at naming products
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okay especially
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if we're talking about here this is all xeon
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really this is all xeon they have an entire page about xeon
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okay whatever there's a consumer one two here
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we go so it's separate page okay like the thing is it can change
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if you need if you need this
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then you're terrible like what is this
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what is this why is the product line suffix in a different place than the
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product line suffix why is the skew numeric digits moved
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over here why wha what could possibly be a reason
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for this did they have a focus group did they have a focus group where where
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people told them oh yeah you know the way you were doing it before that that
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was really sucky so could you maybe make it more terrible
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did the focus group say that because i think the focus group is full of a bunch
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of trolls
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and like i love how they just add stuff in like that one's a mobile processor
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sure okay why does it just have letter suffix
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they don't have more than 26 product lines
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so so why yeah i mean what would what's 26 times
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20 26 okay so 26 times 20. he's trying
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to get away with having hq in there because it sounds like high quality what
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is going in here what's going on they don't have 676 product lines so they
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don't need two letters that's for sure
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we know this also these are sku specific digits there
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are three of them so that's 999
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okay 999 times hold on what was 26 times
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26 again 100 676. okay so let's go 676
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times what was it not 999 okay they
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don't have 675 324 skus
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what do they need them all for and then times three
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yeah three different brands i7 i5
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pentium oh don't forget pentium and
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celeron that's a different modifier though because those are not
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those could be on different things
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so anyway um i will give Intel and AMD
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at least this much credit okay at least they change the product name
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when they release a new product yeah the new product might not perform any better
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this is not it might be a re-badge of the old products at least it's not like
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Intel uh late 2017 i7
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because that would be worse
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oh man i mean at least Intel i was trying to
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explain this to um Yvonne last night my wife um so i was
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telling her hey uh luke needs to borrow our media center pc
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so if you and the kids are watching tv while i'm at badminton tonight use the
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NVIDIA shield and she's like oh how do i hook that up i've never done that before
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and i was like you just use the harmony remote and you
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said we'll go play shield she's like oh where is it is it on your nightstand and
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i'm like because NVIDIA
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released the shield handheld console called the NVIDIA shield
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then they released the tablet and they called that the shield k1 or shield
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tablet or something and at the same time quietly renamed the shield to the shield
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portable then making matters worse they released their shield Android tv which
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they then just started calling the NVIDIA shield
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so i was talking about the shield Android tv and she thought i was talking
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about the shield portable because she doesn't care about the shield Android tv
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or just because she got lost in the product naming yeah exactly this is what
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we're talking about do we have an actual topic to cover today uh probably i find this oh right
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the rise the audience agrees with me i find you ranting about random stuff far more interesting than
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rumors about a processor that isn't out yet but you know okay so back to the
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processor that isn't out the 1800x is
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looking like it's going to be in that 6900k sort of competitive
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uh price range wait how much is this no 6900k is like double that cool
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i've seen them on sale for like considerably less than that okay well
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but you said wait you 6900k yeah so this is looking like AMD is gonna be in that
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sort of like the cheaper alternative that like performs better that's all
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considerably cheaper than 6900 yeah that's like a thousand dollars isn't it
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yeah so word on the street is like half the price and if AMD can be close to the
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performance we are going to be looking at a very very different playing field
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slightly over a thousand dollars so that's that's slightly
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more of a discount than having 95 watt TDP on this sucker
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and they're quoting 65 watt on the 1700 which if pricing is anything to go by
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looks like it's going to be taking on if they're targeting half the price so that would be going after something like a 68
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or 6700k whoa
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okay as long as boards aren't totally unreasonable
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this is going to be one heck
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of an interesting rest of the year yeah
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i i'm continuing my skepticism until it
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is actually in a bench i've been burned far too many times so the wccf tech
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article speculates that the 1700 at 316
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us dollars will be 6 900 k class
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performance let's see it's going to come down to
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overclocking in all likelihood but let's see how that uh turns out but for
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the majority of consumers the non-overclocking number is gonna be what
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really matters that's true so like yep that's true i'm very excited for both of
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those actually how they both overclock and how they both perform without overlapping what i'll say is this that
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part of the fun has been taken out of overclocking for me yes in the last
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three to four years and the reason for that is that the chips are already
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clocked at like 4.4 gigahertz in some cases
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um there's not that much headroom left 4.4 g's is like kind of a lot
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whereas if AMD comes in and says okay
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you know what we're gonna we're gonna sell them at lower clock speeds and
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we're gonna bring back some of the fun some of the silicon lottery because
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right now you can expect pretty consistent results give or take 300
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megahertz on reasonable cooling out of an Intel processor whereas if AMD goes
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okay yeah they're going to be cheap we're not going to sell them for this
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much we're not going to like bend them close to the wire
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and they're they're going to overclock like a bat out of hell have fun
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hey they might not i might get into it again that could be cool i would love
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that that would actually be the overclocking game has been pretty boring especially with like
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shots fired but with like NVIDIA cards right now
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yeah NVIDIA cards are about as little fun to overclock as anything holy crap
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don't even bother i mean thanks bro i mean it's nice that we're
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getting all the performance we can out of a product out of the box
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which is great but i sure wish that project green light artificial
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limitations um yeah i sure wish board partners were
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allowed to just like build crap that power edition card
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which one that got yanked remember the 660 ti power edition yes i do yep
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i still have one of those pre do you really pre-nerf yeah it's still awesome
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it's still really wicked
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anyway not one to take this kind of thing lying
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down uh this was originally posted in the Linus tech tips forum by numlock21
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uh Intel is rumored to be creating
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higher clocked kb lake cpus to combat
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ryzen i'm gonna go out on a limb here and say
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this won't be enough hopefully not
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i oh yeah i hope it's not enough yeah for a quad core so the rumored skus
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overclock3d.net is our source here are the i5
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7640k and i77740k
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uh and it looks like about a uh five
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percent bump here and about a uh
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three percent bump here what are those going to cost though um also it looks
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like we may get an i5 with hyper threading which would be very surprising
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to me um and if Intel introduced these i
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suspect they okay i suspect they're going for one of two tactics
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either they think that ryzen's single threaded
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performance is not going to be on par with kb lake
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especially at this kind of clock speed so they might be counting on ryzen's
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single thread performance at the clock speeds it can hit
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not being able to compete with kb lake at like 4.6 gigahertz and they might be
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thinking you know what we can bring these in above the existing chips as as
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gamer oriented skus and these really
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will deliver the best performance in games which is
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possible or Intel
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is in full-on panic mode because with how inbred the entire i.t industry is i
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guarantee you there's working rising Ryzen silicon in Intel's Labs right
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now there's absolutely no way that there
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isn't so the other possibility is Intel is in
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panic mode right now and these are going to come straight in as replacements for
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the 7 700 and 7600 k and they are
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getting ready for a significant price adjustment on the lga 2011 three
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platform chips as well i still hope it's not enough
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so you hope that Intel underestimates verizon
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yes in spite of like the numbers on paper
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indicating that performance will be very good yes enough that AMD claws back some
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market share prompting someone in Intel to go
29:39
oh maybe it would be worthwhile to invest in CPU r and d for
29:44
single i think you want to make it very healthy if AMD is able to just like
29:50
walk around as king for even like a few years
29:54
i don't think it's going to take a few years for Intel i don't think it is either but like that would be awesome
30:00
because they could really use like the revenue for a while and like getting
30:03
back into the mainstream conversation because as much as AMD is talked about
30:08
by us and as well as the AMD content
30:11
that we really tried to like crush good job at ces
30:15
did market share is super not there yep and
30:19
if we could get closer to like 50 50 like it's a gamble
30:23
how much like which person is gonna buy what maybe in the diy space at least
30:28
yeah i don't think i don't think like if we could get new built-in planning on
30:33
our forum to get closer to 50 50 with these chips out like that would even be
30:37
really cool i want something to light a fire under Intel because
30:41
as scary as it is that part of me worries that this might be
30:46
the last time we ever see a big push from AMD i mean it's not like jim keller
30:50
is going to go back and like save them again um and he's working at tesla now
30:55
um i i i worry
31:00
that if this isn't enough to kind of
31:04
prompt Intel to get their gear into gear get them
31:08
into gear yeah thank you uh we got there
31:12
we made it nailed it um
31:17
i i worry that we'll just never really i mean never is a strong word but i worry
31:21
that we will never really see um
31:25
a fire lit under those guys again um so
31:29
so yeah this this feels like our chance
31:33
on the subject of fires uh this was posted by suicidal franco on the forum
31:38
the original article here is from forbes
31:42
um oh thank you for the quote of the day
31:46
um from richard branson
31:49
a fire broke out at a samsung battery
31:52
factory
31:58
oh man
32:02
i'm just going to let that sink in we're just going to sit there for a sec
32:05
yeah there isn't even like a ton to say uh it
32:09
was a samsung affiliated factory yeah in
32:13
tianjin china hopefully i said that right caught fire on the morning of
32:16
february 8th uh not even that long ago
32:19
pictures circulated on weibo weibo a twitter-like chinese
32:23
social media service i've heard of it before i've just only read it showing
32:27
black plumes of smoke above the factory the fire didn't affect production a
32:31
spokesman has said uh we don't have a quote in the dock at least about whether
32:35
anyone was injured or died but we do have a quote about production so i'm
32:40
assuming if production wasn't affected probably no one was hurt everyone was
32:44
fine let's hope let's hope that let's hope that like that's the only reason
32:49
that that made it into the statement yeah um but apparently was caused so
32:54
this is actually good news by discarded
32:57
faulty batteries so it wasn't caused by
33:02
by like pallets of batteries that were on their way to be shipped to samsung or
33:07
anything like that
33:12
apparently this one was within like the production scope
33:16
of note 7 batteries so that's kind of funny oh man but considering it was
33:20
discarded batteries could be related to that yep yep could absolutely be related
33:24
to that and speaking of injuries and stuff and potential production losses
33:28
there was a different chinese factory that replaced 90
33:31
of their human workers with robots and they saw a 250 percent increase in
33:37
production wow the factory used to run used to be
33:41
run by 650 employees and now only 60 of
33:45
them still work there and most of them are there to ensure that the machines
33:48
are still in working order so it's probably more like the mill rights and stuff that we're working there are still
33:53
working there yeah pretty ridiculous robotic arms
33:57
produce certain parts of the mobile phones that are produced at the factory
34:01
at each station
34:04
wow general madden the general manager
34:07
has said that the number of human employees could drop as little as 20
34:11
someday so they could cut by another third taking 650 down to 20. that's 1
34:16
30th is that right 1 30th of the workforce
34:22
wow apparently the pieces per person per
34:25
month has risen from 8 000 to 21 000
34:28
that's that production increase we talked about earlier and this company is far from the only
34:33
one making the change i mean we've talked about things like mcdonald's
34:37
wanting to roll out restaurants entirely staffed by robots
34:41
um i mean this is something that and i'm
34:44
not gonna i'm not gonna pretend that either the left or the right have it
34:48
figured out at this point no but this is something
34:51
that the politicians have to figure out and
34:55
have to address welfare state is going to be a thing
35:00
socialism is going to be a thing or we
35:04
are all going to starve yeah most of us will
35:09
period there will not be jobs
35:14
to bring back when robots are doing them
35:18
and there's been there's been a lot of talk about like oh well every time that
35:21
like some new major technological shift has happened there's just been more
35:25
different jobs unless like literally everyone ends up going into the
35:29
entertainment sector which like doesn't make sense
35:33
unless it does unless it unless it does but then everyone's gonna have to
35:37
be like those jobs will all have to be paid at ridiculously high amounts let me
35:41
propose something here these robots build hard drives
35:46
that power the cloud the cloud uh hold on let me think for a
35:51
second here no no i had i had i had a way for this
35:55
to work okay the cloud
35:58
pays entertainers
36:01
so amazon okay amazon's an example of a cloud provider that owns twitch yeah
36:06
okay so they pay entertainers to play video games hold on
36:11
hold on hold on they
36:14
they pay entertainers okay to stream to
36:18
each other and use the cloud okay
36:22
the cloud people go buy food
36:26
from more robots that that make food
36:29
yeah and then yeah um those robots use
36:33
that money to build more robots that build more hard drives
36:38
okay so the future economy is based on hard
36:43
drives uh yeah seagate and wd are just gonna do
36:46
great totally stoked right now
36:51
and the idea that you have to be both producing entertainment and consuming
36:56
entertainment at the same time well we're going to get real good at multitasking
37:00
i mean i'm firing up casey tron right now
37:06
so there's going to be streams of people watching streams of other people yes
37:09
which is probably already buying live that's definitely yes and then there has
37:13
to be live streaming reaction reactions yes and streaming streaming like um
37:18
critique of the state of our society yes where
37:23
like live reactions to people reacting live
37:26
to something that's happening that a robot's doing
37:30
is like all that's left for humanity at this point yeah
37:34
maybe like factory simulator games will get really really popular and the whole
37:38
idea of factory simulator is that there's so many automated factories with
37:41
robots that everything that you could do is in existence somewhere so it just
37:46
every time that you build something or like change something in the factory it just changes it to a live feed of a
37:50
factory that is like that so factory simulator just becomes like a
37:55
simulation game yeah so um
38:00
yeah yeah uh so speaking of getting paid to be an
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entertainer
38:10
i fix it um ifixit has a lot of stuff that is
38:16
probably in my notes oh yeah i fix it's great we love ifixit i in fact i think i
38:20
know i i was using the kit that's why it's not there it's in the um yeah that
38:26
one and i think there's one there because i was taking something apart
38:29
with it anyway i ifixit builds amazing tools for taking apart and putting back
38:34
together and repairing and upgrading your electronics they've got everything
38:39
from their like complete one bag to hold
38:43
them all solution that's got like their magnetic screw holder their uh you know
38:49
microfiber cloth their multiple different screwdriver sets yeah
38:53
it's okay someone's probably using it it's fine um all the way from like the
38:57
whole bag down to the protec tool kit which has all the little prying tools
39:01
you need for taking apart mobile devices suction cups all that good stuff down to
39:05
this one which is the essentials oh no
39:08
one of the uh guitar picks fell out this is the
39:12
essentials um electronic tool kit so it's got one of
39:17
their trademark spudgers which is a poking and prying tool
39:22
it's got their old version of their their driver with uh what is it 16 bits
39:28
it's got their esd safe tweezers it's got one of their suction cups it's got
39:33
one of their uh one of their like knife things and one of their other prying
39:36
tools they're all great these these prying tools specifically i love those i
39:40
use them all the time these are the bomb the number of times that i have
39:43
accidentally damaged uh something by using a prying tool that like scratched
39:48
it a lot um that's when it wasn't that one
39:51
there's little things that they think of like check this out this is how you pull
39:55
it out yeah see because there's a little uh there's a little cavity there so you
40:00
can just pull it out like that pretty cool right
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also sponsoring the WAN Show today i think i do remember something about this
40:27
but we weren't gonna do it until we finally upgraded the WAN Show set
40:32
and we were actually using their capture cards so we worked
40:37
out a deal with epiphan where i basically went okay look
40:40
we need capture cards that aren't terrible uh in the in the upgrade vlog
40:45
you guys are gonna see the capture card and microphone graveyard that we keep
40:48
under the table here um we had tried so many different ones so i
40:53
was talking to epiphan and i was like look we need capture cards that actually
40:57
work so here's the deal you guys sent us some capture cards that
41:01
actually work we're gonna use them for a couple months
41:05
to ensure that we are 100 certainly actually work
41:09
and then we are gonna do our part to get the word out there that epiphan capture
41:14
cards actually freaking work so here we
41:18
are we are months in the only issues that we've had with them have been due
41:22
to overwhelming a single usb controller
41:25
which we were able to solve actually a couple weeks ago by popping in a PCIe
41:29
usb controller card and now i am pleased
41:33
as punch you plug them in they automatically detect the resolution and
41:37
the frame rate everything is ready to rock instantaneously the streaming quality
41:42
looks great and they yeah what can i did
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they just work i think that was all i was really asking for they just work and they've got actually
41:50
some recent firmware updates that make them better great for not just like professional
41:55
video streaming and whatever else they're great for pc capture as well so
41:59
they do 2560 by 1440p now oh nice yeah
42:02
that's cool so they actually do like pc resolutions and stuff like that like
42:05
they really do care and they're a canadian company yeah they're like and
42:09
like it says right on them made in canada i was like they're on the iss
42:13
i did not use them for video capture this is the second time i've told you on
42:17
stream really because you've reacted the same way
42:20
yeah i know it's cool i just i find that part very cool anyway
42:26
they've got a fantastic lineup everything from the avio sdi hd and 4k
42:31
which are the ones that we use predominantly so if you've noticed the
42:35
dramatic improvement in the quality of our video capture in our videos that's
42:40
thanks to epiphan that combined with that benq monitor
42:44
that has HDMI passthrough allows us to capture exactly what's happening through
42:49
multiple reboots because epiphan just switches resolutions on the fly so if
42:53
you like blue screen it captures the whole experience the BIOS coming up now
42:57
we have ways to just capture everything and we can do it without interfering
43:01
with the test bench system at all because everything's being done through
43:05
an HDMI splitter that's built into the monitor and then it goes out to a completely separate system i think i
43:10
think we may have love love-hugged their website and their website might be down
43:13
um sorry epiphan but if you google
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epiphan on the iss you can find a few
43:20
different articles one of the top ones is epiphan takes pro oh it's starting to
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load it says epiphan takes pro av uh
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aboard the international space station and another one is about how they
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brought it to a nasa tech fair um so that's sort of cool if you want to read
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about like that i i like that a lot because i like
43:37
spice things and nasa and stuff anyway they also have a pci express card so
43:42
their dvi to PCIe duo is another one that we have that one is a little bit
43:47
more manual in terms of the setup so the one that i really recommend if you're
43:51
looking for like a grab-and-go solution i almost always have one in my backpack
43:55
is the uh the avio 4k is my personal
43:58
favorite we use the sdi for our camera because we've got an sdi camera and then
44:03
we use the hd for just my computer here because we don't need 4k for a 1080
44:08
stream but yeah love it love everything about it check it out at epiphan.com
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avio wan remember to go there later as well
44:16
if you're having troubles connecting to that right now yeah it's good stuff and it's actually not
44:21
unreasonably priced either which is great if you just want to like pay a
44:24
couple bucks more and get something that actually works
44:28
all right yeah a bunch of other people are saying that it's a yes
44:32
sorry sorry sorry episode we tried yeah um
44:37
all right so in a surprise move that surprised no one uh this was posted by
44:42
kuru finley underscore wins wow worst
44:45
username ever award you win um NVIDIA announces their q4 2017 results
44:52
record profits record record quarter gross revenue
44:57
2.173 billion this is up 700 million from their
45:02
previous q4 unreal um
45:06
net income is at 655 million i mean this is just unfathomable
45:11
numbers hey yeah wow
45:15
that's unbelievable poor AMD they posted their results two
45:20
weeks ago 1.11 billion in revenue loss of 51 million and they're in the CPU and
45:25
GPU market
45:29
unbelievable so yearly numbers uh
45:33
6.91 billion revenue compared to 5 billion the year before like when you're
45:38
as much of a monster as NVIDIA is i kind of go yeah how do you grow like
45:43
30 year over year well apparently they figured it out
45:47
um unreal here's their gosh your only
45:51
singular competition like i did yeah i guess i don't know
45:55
so here's their quarterly revenue trend
45:58
look at that they were doing 1 billion and change
46:03
boom second half of this year just on fire i mean remember too
46:08
NVIDIA is one of the biggest benefactors
46:12
of things like deep learning um things
46:15
like autonomous driving i mean that is NVIDIA's wheelhouse right now and it is
46:20
going AMD is going to have to demonstrate to someone like a car
46:24
manufacturer in a big way that they're
46:28
still going to exist in five to ten years if they're going to
46:32
expect these guys to buy into the ecosystem
46:36
this is very very important there's more to it than just well AMD gpus are great
46:41
for this kind of processing too if you're investing in building out like
46:45
a super computer or something there's no such thing as buying from a
46:49
company that you can't trust in addition to it having great performance or great
46:54
specs or whatever the case may be
46:58
um okay so this was posted by zemul on the forum the original article is from
47:02
the steam community here very interesting green light
47:07
is going away
47:11
fascinating i'm trying to i'm trying to find
47:15
information on this i believe the bmw autonomous car was running NVIDIA tech
47:19
in it if i recall correctly it was but i remember what it was i suspect um
47:25
the car companies are funny yeah where a lot of they're not going to just say
47:29
like the bmw x drive whatever the crap
47:34
uh do you want uh you want a gtx titan
47:37
xp or uh you know 1080 and that affects like you
47:41
know how how many pedestrians you can dodge before you snack into a wall or
47:46
whatever like it doesn't really work that way they're just gonna say with
47:49
like you know NVIDIA it's really funny that
47:52
NVIDIA's like compute card the tesla would be a name that no car manufacturer
47:57
other than tesla would be willing to say and even for tesla it would be like a
48:00
really weird message yes um but they might just say with NVIDIA
48:05
you know uh deep learning technology or something like that like there's going
48:08
to be something else so it looks like they're working with bmw mini cooper
48:12
tesla audi and mercedes-benz okay NVIDIA
48:15
is but they're not saying like exactly to what extent
48:19
but like that's that's their partners for autonomous driving
48:22
um so the new system that valve's introducing will be called steam direct
48:26
it's expected to go live this spring uh they've been dissatisfied with steam
48:30
green light for a while that's good because so were a lot of people uh game
48:34
newell gabe newell described the system as probably bad for the steam community
48:41
i like how he's pretty blind about things stated that the goal was to make
48:44
green light go away not because it's not useful but because they're evolving so
48:48
steam direct will enable developers to get their games on steam without having
48:52
to pass an approval process first they will ask developers to complete a set of
48:55
digital paperwork personal or company verification and tax documents similar
48:59
to signing up for a bank account once they're set up they will pay a
49:02
recoupable application fee for each title they wish to distribute
49:06
it's intended to decrease the amount of bad games submitted to greenlight as a
49:10
joke valve has said there are now more than 100 green light games that have earned
49:14
at least a million each many of which wouldn't have been on steam in the first
49:17
place if it weren't for green light so they're not saying green light we should have never done it they're adding some
49:21
barrier to entry yes and it's recoupable
49:24
so i'm not entirely sure what that means
49:29
all right completely honest it's probably like part of valve's fee
49:33
every time you sell a game doesn't exist
49:36
until you've paid off that recuperation that makes sense yep and then you're
49:40
back in it i mean i've talked to um folks like guys over at
49:44
extremesystems.org they added a one dollar fee to sign up for their forum
49:48
and they were like yeah the dollar is meaningless it means
49:53
nothing compared to the administration and hosting costs and all that stuff the
49:58
point is it's anti-spammer yeah so someone has to
50:02
submit a dollar with some kind of financial institution
50:07
and the spam was gone and i'm sure it was and that would
50:11
help a lot too we're not going to do that yeah um but like i can totally
50:15
understand the benefits of that yep we like hurt because of
50:19
troll jerks all the time
50:23
yep we have a pretty substantial mod team of awesome people because of
50:27
all the terrible things that are attempted to be done on the forum and we
50:31
deal with them and it's fine all right speaking of terrible things and dealing
50:35
with it you were not super stoked on nintendo's game lineup for the switch
50:39
does this give you any hope this was posted by good bites on the forum i
50:43
don't think a ton of people were super stoked on it i like there's there's a
50:46
lot of problems with their game lineup um one thing that this is
50:51
one thing about this that is good is that third-party publishers seem to be
50:56
coming to the switch a lot more than they were with the wii u from
51:02
70 publishers 70 publishers is pretty good
51:05
um a lot of the publishers seem to be
51:08
liking the fact that it's mobile that seems to be a huge draw for people
51:14
um mobile but not a phone you don't have to go through google or apple you don't
51:18
have to compete in the app store yeah and the
51:22
the even the cartridges are very mobile they look like 3ds cartridges they are not
51:26
the same they are not compatible it doesn't work that way but they look
51:30
really similar which is which is good because you can haul them around with
51:33
you very easily uh there's a huge amount of expandable storage if you want to be
51:37
a just downloadable title there's a lot of titles coming to switch that are only
51:40
download uh that will not be getting physical carts so you're if you're playing those
51:46
games you're gonna need to buy a big sd card real quick because the 32 gigabytes
51:52
of onboard storage which part of that's gonna be taken away by the operating
51:55
system is gonna disappear fast real fast um so expect to be adding the cost of an
52:01
sd card to your system if you ever plan on downloading games yeah sales of like
52:06
256 gig sd cards are going to be like
52:09
and it will be eventually when they exist compatible with two terabyte
52:14
micro sd cards so
52:17
yeah um that'll be a thing eventually yeah
52:23
but yeah it's it's better the main disappointment that i had was
52:26
the uh first party titles actually right the
52:31
fact that it's just well you buy nintendo for nintendo yes i do yeah so
52:35
that's what made me sad do you own any third-party titles for the wii u
52:38
some but not very many right yeah most of
52:42
it's most of its first party stuff there are definitely a few that i own but not
52:46
very many like it's one of those things where for the wii i have to go back that
52:49
far to the last time i bought a console but for the wii
52:52
i bought super monkey ball for it and i was just like
52:56
this is a lot more games than wii sports
53:00
but wii sports was free and every single one of the games in wii
53:04
sports has so much more replay value than these mini games in super monkey
53:08
balls that's a huge issue and disappointment with the switch there is
53:12
no free included game right um and one thing that really helped the wii was the
53:17
inclusion of we sports is a great game and
53:21
this should really have one two switch included because one two switch i don't
53:25
think a lot of people understand the benefit and the fun of one to switch it
53:29
just looks like a stupid game at first but if you like think about it for a
53:32
while it's actually really cool and a very good party game and a very
53:36
good game for bringing the switch with you on the road right you don't have to
53:40
look at the screen so just setting it up in tabletop mode and then playing while
53:43
looking at each other right makes a ton of sense getting in getting people into
53:47
gaming that is social aren't necessarily into games right it's super easy because
53:52
you can play things that are more sport-like um
53:57
it makes a huge amount of sense but it is a full cost
54:00
game it's like 70 bucks or something
54:04
like oh man uh i don't know i don't think
54:08
they're gonna move as many as they probably should be yeah i
54:13
don't know like my son plays wii sports more than he plays vr
54:16
yeah and like wii sports brought everyone to the week yep my mom was
54:20
super stoked by wii sports everyone that played the wii was super stoked esports
54:24
is the reason that i own four wiimotes
54:28
two nunchucks and uh instead of one wiimote and one
54:33
nunchuck and like maybe a pro controller
54:37
and well they didn't exist when i was still buying wii accessories but a
54:40
gamecube controller yeah for like so that i could have and maybe a classic
54:45
controller like like that it's it's the reason that i own two to three times as
54:49
many wii peripherals as i did because like the in-laws wanted to play too
54:55
anyway like one of the biggest excited things that i have about the switch is
54:59
getting one two switch and then playing random like mini games with emma right
55:03
because then it's a way to make it so that like it's so the idea of making it
55:08
so that you're playing a video game but you're facing each other is super cool
55:12
i don't know NVIDIA well NVIDIA too i mean they're
55:16
hardware's in it but now nintendo is apparently very bullish on the switch so
55:20
they're saying that um blah blah after the presentation we've seen more
55:24
requests and more and more software publishers etc etc new unannounced new
55:27
titles will be detailed in the future reiterated that nintendo plans to ship 2
55:31
million of the new console worldwide by the end of march
55:35
that is uh pretty aggressive they're sold out freaking everywhere
55:40
like actually everywhere now it's not that surprising because nintendo is kind
55:44
of one of those guys that is totally down with like artificial limitation of
55:48
stock um but like the way that we were
55:52
arriving before christmas that year was like
55:55
you guys had these yeah yeah
55:59
you're just you're just trickling them out because
56:02
you're jerks yeah but hey i made a lot of money on that yeah i got a free wii
56:06
effectively i was so have i told you my story of buying a wii no i was like
56:11
interested in buying one i don't remember if i worked at best buy at this time or not um but i was walking by one
56:16
of the like end of aisle kiosks things and an employee from the warehousing
56:20
section just walks out with a wii and i'm like oh okay someone got one of
56:23
their reserved wheeze plunk puts it on the thing i'm like okay just
56:28
picked it up immediately went and bought it and i'm like
56:31
basically 100 certain that was supposed to be someone else's unit and it just
56:35
like got screwed up in the inventory system wow i put it out on the shelf i
56:38
camped twice i think i've told you that yeah yeah so that was it was really fun
56:42
like i did it with my wife i used to like camping we both camped out that's
56:45
the i think it's one of the i don't think i've ever camped for anything else
56:49
i've counted for quite a few things halo 2 was my favorite game that i ever came
56:53
for peasant did have i ever told you about that
56:56
so i i had bought the like magazine that talked about that had like
57:00
the halo exclusive details in it and all that kind of stuff i think it was xbox
57:03
magazine physical magazines a long time ago okay
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and i had read the entire thing many times like this was like a worn magazine
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by the time we were in line up and they had a guy come out who's giving swag
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away based on if you could answer questions so i was the first person to
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put my hand up every single time i got every single answer right to the point where they
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started vocally being like we're not answering questions from you or uh we're not
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taking answers from you anymore and they would scan other people and then they would keep on getting it wrong and
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they'd eventually come back to me and then i'd answer it correct
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it was so good someone backed up to the lineup with a truck and they powered a
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big crt tv off their truck and everyone was playing halo one out of the back of
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their truck that was sick really cool i actually used to enjoy
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that stuff that's funny that is one thing i miss about like physical magazines and
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manuals and stuff like my final fantasy 6 manual
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like i've read like all the stupid character backstories i mean it was a
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kid at the time right but like i've read through all the different spells like
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it's it's it's stuff like this that i guess you kind of forget about being a
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kid where like you're still you know uh
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you're still like at some early stage in the game
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and you know you're just you just want to like read about spells that like
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maybe someday terrible cast
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my morrowind player's guide the original one that i had the like cover fell off
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because i opened it and closed it so many times and the spine is like damaged from being used too much
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it's awesome and then there's my skyrim players guide
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that i bought out of like expected need which is still in absolutely perfect
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condition because you do not need a player's guide for that game at all
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because it's so hand-holdy old-school morrowind like playing that game without
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a player's guide you'll just miss a lot of stuff
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if you play the game with the player's guide it's literally just a way to find content and the way the player's guide
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is written is like spoilers later they'll like bring you to the quest and
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like make sure you can start it and then it turns into like if you need help and
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then there's like spoilers at the end so you can use it to find things
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instead of just like walking you through the game so i'd use it to like lead me
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to where i need to go to do something and then if i got actually stuck then i
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could check that but it was rather uncommon and you just
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use it to lead you through the game
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yeah that was fun okay
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so there's a couple fun things um yoda
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the bill so this was originally posted by f.org yoda the bill that would let
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you own and sell your devices is reintroduced by congress
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wow all right um
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this looks like a bipartisan effort look at that
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blake farms farenhold and jared polis so
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uh republican and democratic just reintroduced their you own devices act a
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bill that aims to help you reclaim some of your ownership rights in the software
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enabled devices that you buy what a friendly thing for the government to be
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doing if a computer program enables a device
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to operate yoda would let you transfer ownership of a copy of that computer
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program along with the device the law overrides any agreement to the contrary
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like an abusive eula and you have the right to receive security or bug fixes
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if someone who also had the right to receive security and bug fixes passes
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the device along to you that's very cool very very cool
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um that's like i'm very happy that i have been aware of the idea that i might
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have to buy blu-rays or dvds of certain movies that i like because for the
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longest time everyone was like oh it's just it'll be on netflix it's fine and
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netflix is like dropping that super hard
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so yeah twitch communities beta this was posted by cp yarger on the forum
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and uh basically is a way for us to not be sort of on the
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sort of in the gray area of people who are supposed to be streaming on twitch
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um because we don't stream games here
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so dedicated to things like cosplay drawing painting comedy food music and
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uh us i guess yeah cool they're saying users can set up their
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own communities if they choose we've heard from our streamers and viewers
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that they want the freedom to form specific groups so some of these
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categories it initially contains hundreds of them build on top of gamers
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interests and some of them just straight up don't so inside communities will be a
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stream wall which displays live content from creators who are choosing to
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broadcast to the community and broadcasters associating themselves with
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the community could give them more exposure for their content allowing them
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to pick up more fans cool good for them um what else we got here
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something about cody nasa built a chip to survive on venus uh something
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something 800 degree fahrenheit that's pretty neat yeah
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google's super bowl uh super bowl what
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is it super bowl liad lee as in like li like roman numerals
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oh 51 is that right yeah super bowl 51 ad
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from google uh wreaked havoc on customers who already own a google home
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system this was posted by tech dreamer on the forum that's pretty funny
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so google's use of ok google
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sends people's homes into a frenzy so that's pretty that's pretty funny i
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guess and on that note because we started the WAN Show somewhat on time
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we're actually going to end it somewhat on time so that i won't actually be late for my
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uh for my class were you late last week uh i i was late but mostly because of
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the snow i left on time but the snow was terrible
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the roads were awful yeah i got stuck on the hill right there
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um i had to push people into parking spots when i went home last night
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like more than one person i rolled backwards down it no no i got stuck on
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the hill and like had to go back down it
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carefully and take a run at it and then hope that the light would go green so i
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still had momentum as i was yeah it was really bad um
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anyway uh oh this
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no no not this week not this week yeah got it okay so
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can we talk about the idea that we have
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maybe let's just not boiler would yeah i don't want boiler to get upset
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um what we will do though is we will remind y'all that we do have an early
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access platform um i was kind of thinking maybe i would
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talk about it during the uh during the like sponsors part of the
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show like we could be our own sponsor for the show or something anyway okay if
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you're not already a member of the Floatplane club i just dropped a link in
63:49
there where you guys can uh what's what's cool on there right now
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because people haven't seen my personal rig update yet which has been on there for a while but it's coming out on
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youtube relatively soon okay so there's a lot of stuff on there right now in
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fact you know what an easier way to do this would be to just look at the
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calendar so stuff that is on Floatplane club but is not on youtube yet backlit
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keyboards under 25 bucks it's a 10-way roundup
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uh we've got luke's personal rig update codename geodude
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we've got holy bleep episode 15 the most
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hipster server cabinet of all time it's pretty cool we've got the introduction
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to the petabyte project where we show off the 100
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drives and go through all of our plans for how
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that's going to go down we've got our back plates on gpus worth it
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uh courtesy of luke yeah and we've got 40 gigabit networking under a hundred
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dollars so that's everything that's in the lineup for the next week or so you
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guys can check it all out at Floatplane club
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and uh no there's no scrapyard wars yet but i will commit to this
64:57
we will do another season of scrapyard wars this year
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right now we what that's not the hugest commitment that's a commitment yeah yeah
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we will so right now Colton chelsea and
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nick are working on sponsorship for it because it is time consuming and
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expensive but we will do it and
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thank you guys very much for watching we will see you next week same bat time
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same bat channel watch this watch this luke watch this
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oh and it has audio oh dang
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