Linus Tech Tips Live Show Archive - December 21, 2012
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Um, Lionus is setting up a video upload
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right now. Hey, that one's good. Hey, we're in pretty good shape here. We got
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our screen capture. We got our Twitter feed. We're one minute late. Come on,
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man. Ah, what are you trying to do to us
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here? Hold on. Some of the settings are wrong here. I just got to tweak the color. We're using a different camera
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tonight. Hopefully that uh hopefully that works out pretty well for us in
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general. How's that look? Looks pretty good. Looks better at least. See, it's
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that versus that. That's like way better, right? I wonder if half the
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problem was our settings in XSplit because that looks much more natural
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probably. All right, so welcome to the show, guys. Um, as you probably know,
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Oh, shoot. Oh, crap. This is on. Go
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away. Go away. There it went away. Okay.
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Uh, okay. You know what? Did you talk about the end of the world?
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Um, we didn't really prepare anything for this topic, but Lisa thought we
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should talk about the end of world. By the way, my voice is a little bit messed up because I'm pretty sick. I probably
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won't be talking way too much this stream, but I will try for now.
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Um, as most of you know, it was supposed
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to have been said that the world ended uh today, I think. Yeah, midnight
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tonight or something like that. Midnight tonight. I thought it was just today in general. Uh, I think it's midnight
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tonight. I could be wrong. Okay, so it's supposed to be midnight tonight, but
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then realistically it's happened a while ago because of like other places in the
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world. Black screen. All right. Oh.
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Oh, there we go. All right. Looks like
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it's going well. Volume is a little low. People are complaining about the
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volume. It's probably my voice. Oh, okay. Okay. Uh oh. Where's our remote
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thing? You got it. Okay. So, the end of the
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world. Stupidest thing I ever heard. Discuss. I agree. So, this is not going
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to be that interesting of a discussion. But there's multiple things like other
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places on the planet being at different time zones and um the fact that leap
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years exist, which kind of made it bull crap. Anyways, no, but I thought that
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the leap year compensation I thought this is the one that factors in the leap
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year compensation. Mayan calendar. They didn't have leap years then, right? But
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I thought the world was supposed to end a while ago and then they were like,
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"Oh, but wait, I don't think so." I mean, the thing is that it's not real
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scientists that are not at all that are predicting this kind of thing. Yeah. I
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like um Neil Degrasse Tyson. Have you ever heard of him? Him? I've heard I've
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heard him. Yeah. Yeah. He sent out a tweet and he was like, "Don't worry guys, if the world was going to end, I
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would tell you how and I would tell you when." Excellent. I was like, "Yes,
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yes. That is terrific. I'm just going to
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move this so that I can actually see the screen. Sorry guys, we uh we had to tear
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apart the studio a little bit last weekend and then we're going to have to
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sort of tear it apart again this weekend. And uh yeah, things have gotten
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pretty real over the last little bit for Linus Tech Tips. I'm actually working on
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my computer again, which is pretty nice. I would show you guys the progress, but
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one second. Oh, no, no, it's okay. It's okay. Yeah, I see it. No, no, it's okay.
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I'm not going to move it anymore. We're good. We're good. It's all good.
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Um, so something something, right? I can't show it to you because I have
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actually packed it up and I have put it
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in a box and I'm shipping it out Monday for the powder coating. And uh, so so
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basically I figure um, if nothing else,
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I will have at least made progress on my computer before the world ends. So, I'd
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love to take some tweets on um you know, what you guys are are doing tonight in
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preparation for the end of the world. So, here we're gonna we're going to
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throw Twitter up here and we're going to have a look at what people what people
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have to say about this. Wouldn't the end of the world as
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predicted by the Mayans have to be in their time zone? Um, presumably yes. I
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don't know. Did the Mayans have the whole time zone concept down? I really
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really don't think so. But they did know things like, you know, Then it would
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have been like a like the sun coming up. So it would still be time zone. So he
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does have a point although it's not exactly a time zone. Okay. Presumably
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yes then. Okay. So so presumably yes. I
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mean we're talking about very pseudocience at this point. Whole end of
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the world nonsense anyway. But Tom says why is shipping to Australia so
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expensive? Um because fuel costs a lot
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of money. And the thing about Australia
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is that um shipping is by
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air and it's a long flight and fuel is
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expensive. I mean the exceptions are are places like China and Hong Kong where
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they for whatever reason have like the cheapest post. I mean you know that deal
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extreme ships everything out of Asia, right? And you can buy stuff for like $2
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that has free shipping. And I'm just kind of looking at this going what? Well, if you look into a lot of it, like
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a lot of like someone was recommending that I get an aluminum backing for my S3
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and I can get one off eBay and it's like three bucks and then postage is like 50
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cents or a dollar or something, but they send it to you labeled as a gift. Yeah,
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but even that doesn't make a difference because the postage still costs the same
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for that item regardless. The only thing they're saving you money on is the
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import and duties, right? So, no, they
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actually are legit paying 50 cents or a dollar for shipping. So,
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I don't quite understand how any of that works because the reality of it is the
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prices of of like fossil fuels are dictated by forces that go beyond like
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cheap labor. Yeah. Yeah. So, I Yeah, I don't quite get that. I don't know why
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it's cheap in some places, but I do understand why it's expensive is what
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I'm trying to say. I just built a new computer for my brother. He plays League
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on the highest settings. It crashes after about 30 minutes. Any tips? You're
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the League player here. He plays for it about 30 minutes. I have
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no idea. Okay, then. Is it stressing out
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his computer? Like, we need way more information. Yeah, we need more. You
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know what? That's actually that's a good that's a good idea. You know what you should find out is you should be
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monitoring your temps using real temp as well as MSI Afterburner. Check your CPU
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and your GPU temps. If something's overheating, that can be a symptom. And
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prime 95 it. Yeah. Make sure the system's actually stable. Prime it.
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Memest it because it could be that
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something that happens like when you're 30 minutes into a game, there's
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probably, I don't know, more stuff going on. Like I haven't played League, but
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you know, more of the map is open, more team fights, a lot more graphics going on, whatnot, more particle effects. Like
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it's possible that there's some kind of instability with the system that is being triggered by that. So, or it could
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even be leaking RAM. Uh, oh, that's true. Memory, but that
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would be a software issue. So, probably not a hardware thing, but you never like
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that's still something to test. So, you should monitor your memory usage as
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well. Uh, ditching work to watch your live stream. Hello from Indonesia and
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hello back Indonesia. Good work. Yes.
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All right. Uh, what are you guys going to get on the Steam winter sale? Have
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you checked it out yet? I I I honestly haven't. I've been way too busy. I will
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check it out, but I haven't yet. Guys, I guarantee you that Slick and I will be
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less busy soon and things will get a lot
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more a lot more um lax. Nathan says, "I
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know Slick is a hacker, but do you do any programming, Linus?" The answer
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would be no. I can barely put bold tags
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on HTML input.
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So, shut up.
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I don't even think that showed up because your Twitter box. It's okay.
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Yeah. Yeah. He he he gave me a reassuring pat on the shoulder, which I
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of course uh interpreted as being purely platonic. And oh, I mean, the box will
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probably hide this, too. Oh. Oh. Whoop. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. I didn't mean for
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that to
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my grandpa's probably watching this live stream. Hi, Grandpa.
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Hey, Slick. Is there anything you can recommend for a new Android user? Why
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don't you handle that one while I go get a jacket cuz I am freaking freezing.
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Okay. It's cold in here. Um, first off, if you're a gamer, if you haven't
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already heard of Humble Bundle, Humble Bundle is kind of amazing. It's a really
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cheap way to get a lot of games and support charity, which is just awesome
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on Android. Humble Bundle for Android. Yeah. Um, they've got Humble Bundle for
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a bunch of different things. There's Humble Indie Bundle. Recently, there's Humble THQ bundle, but that can't be
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Android. No, no, no. Um, but then they
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have specific Android packages. So every once in a while, like I think the most
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recent one was Humble Bun Humble Android Bundle 4. So I picked that up. And just
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give me one second. I'll figure out what games it came with. Um, and it was super
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cheap because the whole idea is that it's not that expensive, but you can pay
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however much you want. Uh, so how some people pay tons of money, it supports
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charity, all that kind of stuff. Some people like students and whatnot maybe won't pay as quite as much money. But
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then the companies that develop the games and the charities still make a lot
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of money because there's so many sales that go through. Sorry for my voice. I'm
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quite sick right now. So, in Humble Bundle, Humble Android Bundle 4, which
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is, I believe, the one that I'm talking about, I got Crayon Physics Deluxe,
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Euphoria HD, Splice, Super Brothers
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Sword and Sorcery, Walking Mars, Machinarium, Cannibal, Avdon the Black
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Fortress, Cogs, Zenbound 2, and Sword
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and Soldiers HD. That's a lot of games, and I got it for like six bucks, so
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that's actually pretty epic. Um, another big thing is Swift Key.
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SwiftKey 3 is what I'm running. I believe there's a new one called Swift
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Key Flow or something like that. It's just a keyboard app, but it's amazing.
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It's so so so so good. I recommend that completely. It learns from like your
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Twitter, your Facebook, uh your email, and all that kind of stuff. And it'll
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learn how you type. So, it'll learn um Oh, you're talking about that keyboard
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Swift key. Yeah. Yeah. Good work. Um, so it'll learn as you type things that you
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commonly type. So it's auto corrects are more tuned for you, which is kind of
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cool. And it's hilarious because it has predictive tech text every single time
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you press spacebar. So if you just open a new message and just spam spacebar,
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you get to see like what it thinks you would probably say, which can be
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hilarious. And you can start it with the different words. You start with like 'the' instead of just nothing. And it'll
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go off of 'the' and try and figure out what you would say if all you type was the. You can just press it like 30
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times. I don't know. Means nothing but is hilarious. But that's a great app.
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Um, Go SMS Pro is an awesome messaging app. It makes it so that if someone
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messages you and then you unlock your phone instead of going into the
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messaging app, it's just immediately on the screen and you can just press press
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into the text box and type right there and click send. So, you don't have to
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open the app or anything which is pretty cool. It has a lot of other features as
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well. Okay, let's do our main big topic for the night or our first big topic for
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the night. We didn't talk about this last week and we feel really bad about
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it. We do, right? This is mainly your fault, but yes. How is it my fault? I
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was in finals. I had no topics. You're the only one with topics. Well, yeah, I
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had topics. Whose fault? Okay. There was
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a rumor last week that Intel and NVIDIA
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were potentially looking at, you know, acquiring or merging or somehow
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becoming a conglomerated company of the two with Jensen Huang at the head as the
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CEO. So, um I guess ramifications of that. What's
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your initial thought besides that's Yeah, but that in like a
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scared tone, not necessarily just a holy crap tone because
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um they both seem to be choking back on the whole overclocking idea and the
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whole do-it-yourself idea. And okay, well, here we should flesh that out a
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little bit more. So, start with how what Intel's doing because they've brought
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I'm playing devil's advocate a little bit here. I don't necessarily disagree with you, but they've brought K series
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CPUs to market in the last little while. So, they've brought back multiplier
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unlocks, which have were gone since uh
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so since the P4 days, P4s had lock
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multipliers. So, before that, early P4s didn't have lock multipliers. And then I
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think the pro or no, was it P3s even that were locked? I can't even remember
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anymore. It was a long time ago. So, they took that away and now they've
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given it back to us. So, okay. Okay, so they're doing that. Uh, next is they've
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got their Intel extended warranty service thing where for I think it's an
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extra 20 bucks or something, you can get an overclocking friendly warranty on
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your CPU where they'll replace it, no questions asked.
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um all great and a lot of its marketing,
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but at the same time they're like, if any of you have seen the leaked specs
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for their next launch, like it's
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they're they're not tuning it towards gamers. They're not tuning it towards enthusiasts. They're not producing for
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the enthusiasts anymore. Yeah, they have these side things like unlocked multipliers and a little bit of extra
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warranty, but there's no like But that's speculation, too. the IPC could be
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through the roof, but Ivy's was pretty much like I know a lot of people that
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2600 case did not care when Ivy Bridge came up. Okay, that's true. But bearing
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in mind Ivy was a a talk or whichever one is just it was just a process
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shrink. Tick tock tick tock. The fact that we got any IPC improvements at all
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should have been great, right? And we did get some. We got 10 to
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15%. So, it's not that Intel is is necessarily pulling back on the
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innovation. We haven't seen anything like Conro in a while, though. Yeah. And
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like there's pretty solid speculation on the next release. Yeah. Okay. It's like
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it's from pretty reasonable, consistently accurate sources. I mean, I
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would go as far as to say that that that Haswell looks really good for something
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like a steam box, though. Yeah. Like a big picture steam box. It's not for
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really high-end enthusiasts, which is what I care about. Okay. Okay. So, what
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has NVIDIA done to run you in the last little while? Um, more than Intel, to be
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completely honest, uh, just completely dropping all their warranty support for
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partners that want to include overclocking features like MSI's uh,
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triple overvoltage. Okay. They cut it back though. They didn't drop it. You're
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still allowed to overvolt, but not but not as much. Yeah. And remember AMD
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actually I talked to AMD about this. I don't know if I told you this but I
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talked to AMD about Greenlight and I was just like have you guys heard of this?
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You know what are the what are the what are the board partners saying? And they
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were like uh no we haven't heard of this. The particular guy I was talking
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to and he was like well we have restrictions too. Yeah. So they both do
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it but Greenlight has just become a
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little bit more restrictive. Yeah. Okay. But that's I'm like that's an avenue
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that they're going down. Okay. They continue going down that avenue. In my
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opinion, that's bad. And when they come together, things like that would
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probably happen faster. Okay. Okay. What else has NVIDIA done to make you all
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butt hurt? Well, that's mainly it. That's mainly it. Okay. Um, and then
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like uh I find separation in companies is usually just a better thing in
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general for consumer. Maybe not for them, but for us. What about the
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technology they could deliver though? Like what if Intel and NVIDIA between
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NVIDIA's strength in ARM development and
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GPU on the mobile side on the notebook
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side and I don't I mean notebook is technically mobile but like smartphones
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and tablets mobile and desktops what could that expertise bring
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us because you look at sort of everyone was really excited about the AMD ATI
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acquisition. Yeah. And the problem was that nothing
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enthusiast grade really emerged from it. But I think we can agree APU is cool for
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a budget enthusiast. If you were if you
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were actually on the kind of budget that would that would dictate an APU
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purchase, would you be pretty excited that you can get graphics performance that's literally double what you can get
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from Intel? Yeah, for sure. That's that's a thing. But then like with Intel
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and NVIDIA, yeah, they could release good things like that. Um, which would
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be great for big picture. It would it would be great for stuff like big picture. It could resurrect PC gaming as
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we maybe not as we know it, but compared to console, these are all good possible
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things, but then a bad possible thing is that they could just outright kill AMD
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ATI. Again, I don't think they would want to.
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No, but they're already doing it without really necessarily wanting to without
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teaming up, which is scary because you want that AMD
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ATI, you want that competitor. Hopefully they get bigger, but you want a competitor of
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some sort, right? We want a competitor of some sort. Okay. So, and like Adam,
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yeah, whatever. So, they're not going to become a monopoly, but you want a like
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market competitor. Okay. Well, I'm done playing devil's
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advocate now, so I guess I'll express what would be my biggest concern. Um,
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like I don't really see the direction they're headed in terms of development as a problem because I
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am, and this isn't going to be popular, but I am I'm kind of on the side of of
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these companies in some ways where where I'm saying, you know what, we actually
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have enough computing power right now on a CPU um for a mainstream user. I think
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it's enough. I think it's enough for the next five years at least. Um whereas
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what I want to see is I want to see the PC mature as a platform.
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as a as a as a consistent experience,
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right? But you can develop stuff for both ends of the spectrum. Like it's
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they they seem to be narrowing their product scopes at the same time. And
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like you can say that, but then there's always going to be the people like me
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and I think like you um that are you
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know what my PC spec is? No. Yeah, exactly. But like look at the car
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aspect. People build cars that are incredibly fast. People buy cars that
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are incredibly fast and they will never be able to use because it's flatout
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illegal. Okay. Okay. Either way, I I
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agree that I don't have a problem with um because I don't think they're making
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a yugo here. Like I think that Ivy Bridge, Sandy Bridge, Haswell, I think
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all of these architectures are very compelling. Um and I mean Intel also has
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to adapt to the slower upgrade cycle of the desktop computer. So while they
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could if everyone was upgrading their computer every two to three years, they
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could develop a new CPU every two to three years because all those people are going to come buy it. Whereas if people
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have slid into a five six year upgrade cycle before they make a dramatic before
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they even need a dramatic change in performance, we're talking 5 years into
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the last one they made and people are still kind of just getting to upgrade to
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that. Like you're obviously not why do you even need to develop anything new
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because you still have plenty of customers who are going to buy what you developed. So, I mean, I think it's a
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response to that. I think again, it's not a Yugo. It's more like a Civic where
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it's a perfectly functional vehicle that's perfectly good for, you know,
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even if you want to go fast once in a while. You know, you got the SI model, a
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K series SI. My problem with all of this
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is the is that longer development cycle.
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And I don't know if it's anything that either Intel or NVIDIA can control, but
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it seems like they're the ones that are most
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complacent if you look back historically. So Jensen, who would be
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the the the visionary leader, and he's a visionary leader, there's no doubt. Um
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having met him only once, um I got I got
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the the honor of sitting at his table
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when um when I was at an NVIDIA thing
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for about 45 minutes. Um just kind of
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chatting with him a little bit. listening to him talk about the industry and and all that kind of stuff sort of
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in a more intimate setting, not on a stage. It was very it was awesome
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because he's a pioneer in so many ways. But um you know, Jensen, if you're
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watching, you know, you're cool. Yeah.
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Um so, so him at the helm, but you look
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at what they did with something like 8800. 8800 is a great example of when
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NVIDIA like came out of the door just
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kicking ass and taking names. 8800 destroyed 2900 XD. Just was like, "Yeah,
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whatever." It was so good that it was
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still good enough like one and a half generations later. So NVIDIA released
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the same thing as 9800 GTX. Then the
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same thing as a talk as a 9800 GTX plus
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just as a die shrink. Then they released a flagship GPU that was just two of them
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together. 9800 GX2. Yeah. And that was
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over a course of a very long period of time. They didn't replace 8800 GTX with
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ultra until I think 9 or 10 months into the cycle. Um because AMD had nothing to
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respond with. So, what I don't like about an AM and you look at uh Intel's
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complacency with P4, they were so far ahead of Barton that they were just like
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they were just releasing like, you know, new Northwood cores. They were they were
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calling these architecturals shifts when all they were doing was bumping the
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front side bus. There wasn't even a performance difference. Northwood B and
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C is like nothing.
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Actually, Northwood A for that matter isn't that far off. We're talking clock
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speed bumps and like, you know, cash tweaks here. Um, so, so looking back
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historically, both of these guys are very complacent when nothing happens.
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So, we'd be taking the two most complacent guys who are already in
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positions of power, putting them in a position of undisputable power over
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almost everything. Oh, yeah. I mean, we discussed Tegra 4 a little bit today,
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which is going to be 6x the performance of Tegra 3. Bearing in mind that, you
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know, the only real competitor for Tegra right now is going to be um what is it?
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Crate, which is who is that? I can't
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remember. I know that's the code name, but yeah, code name Crate. Um so, so the
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only real they only have a couple real competitors left. TI's already backed
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off. Um and then Apple's the only other
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one that's really relevant, but they're always going to be that closed platform anyway, who, you know, hippies like you
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will never be interested in. Um, so they're going to have that.
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They're going to have on the on the on the notebook. I mean, you look at what
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Intel does with something like an Ultrabook branding where they lock it down to a CPU, a chipset, a wireless
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chipset, and a form factor. Yeah. And a
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GPU. They're going to add that. However, the experience will be better because
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something like NVIDIA Optimus, which allows is the switchable graphics, is
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going to be that much cleaner. In fact, you'll probably have an NVIDIA GeForce
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chip. Yeah. In sort of two, three years from now on the CPU itself, which would
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actually be kind of freaking awesome. Yeah. Like there's a lot of cool stuff
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that they could do. I just I just worry about market dominance and complacency
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and all that kind of stuff that you said. There's like no desire to push the enthusiast side, which worries me a lot.
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I mean, you look at even something like you look at how quickly NVIDIA rolled
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out 580 versus 480 because 480 wasn't
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competitive. They can turn it on when they want to. However, it was very
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expensive. It cost them a fortune to do it. So, they're capable of like
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executing, but without the proddding. Um, we've been sitting on 680 for a
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while now. And 780 is going to come kind of
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sort of whenever. And, uh, you know,
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they had a chip they could have released as as a 680 or a 685. They've been
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sitting on it. It's a Tesla right now. that could just as easily be a GeForce
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GPU if they put it on PCB with some display outputs. So,
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but it's much more expensive to produce. Oh, yeah. Um, on the other hand, I mean,
23:49
and that's a thing that I I guess is is frustrating for me is that it's not like
23:53
an enthusiast isn't willing to pay $1,000 for a GPU. That That's okay. This
23:56
is another thing that I meant to bring up, but just totally forgot. What happened to like computers used to be
24:01
really expensive and people would go out and buy them if they had like like why
24:06
not just bring out the extreme branding but like actually make it extreme
24:11
branding again instead of the like ever so slightly better that it is right now
24:16
like actually make it crush stuff and like have stuff there for NVIDIA, have
24:19
stuff there for everyone where it's just like this crazy premier tier of just
24:22
awesome economies of scale. I mean, you look at what it costs for something like
24:28
um an 8 core Zeon, which really is the
24:31
pinnacle of what Intel can manufacture? You know, would an
24:36
enthusiast pay two or three grand for a
24:39
CPU? If the volumes were low enough that
24:42
for Intel to look at it and go, "Okay, we can justify the development on this.
24:46
We have to charge three grand per CPU." Would you
24:50
today? because I'm sure Intel, not me, but I know people that would, and I
24:55
wonder how many they would need. Hypothetically, let's say they release a
24:58
CPU with a 210 or 250 watt TDP because
25:02
no cares were given. And it's 12 cores
25:05
and it's clocked at 4.5 GHz and it really is like the state-of-the-art
25:09
modern technology. They're throwing out 3/4 of the dies they produce for this
25:13
thing. It costs three to four grand. How many of those could you sell? you you
25:17
consult people on a lot of systems if they really could have that kind of
25:21
power. H personally I only know one guy
25:26
that would move for that, right? But then that's my circle of people and I
25:30
know one guy that But then I can tell you how many hundreds of 20 35 70ks you
25:34
can sell. Oh, exactly. Yeah. But I'm just I'm just surprised that they don't
25:37
have like like a lot of brands like having that one line that doesn't
25:41
necessarily make a lot of money but just is their like claim to fame of just
25:45
ultimate badassery. But you're already Intel. You're already the ultimate
25:49
badasser. Do you care? I want that to exist. You're already NVIDIA. You
25:52
already have the GeForce experience. You already have the 690, the cream of the
25:56
cream. You can already engineer a dual GPU for this current generation that AMD
26:01
couldn't do. They handed off 7990 development like half finished to Power
26:06
Cololor. They were just like, "We can't do this. We we give up." That's why
26:10
Powerol is the only 7990 manufacturer. So
26:16
yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Okay, we really have no idea until it's
26:20
released. Do a couple and and yeah, we'll talk about this more maybe, you
26:23
know, if that rumor becomes more concrete because right now I'm kind of
26:26
looking at it. Go. I'm very skeptical. But here, do you want to do a couple tweets while I find our next topic?
26:31
Sure. Because I do have a few topics. I don't have any way to scroll. Uh it's
26:35
right here. Just uh arrow keys.
26:41
Oh, right. Wait. maybe go up to the top and just see if we've got any. Yeah, 170
26:46
new tweets. So, yeah, people apparently do want to
26:50
discuss this.
26:54
Um, I don't know how to say your name. I'm very sorry. It is technically
26:58
possible to recover raw data from an SSD, but it's very unlikely and much
27:03
much much much harder. And many times I've had data recovery guys tell me for
27:07
all intents and purposes is impossible. Yeah. Like I wouldn't bother like
27:12
technically yes but I wouldn't bother even trying like something that sorry
27:15
okay I'll go check a topic after something that they could do is they could resolder like if the controller
27:20
dies they could resolder the controller and maybe but understand that the way
27:25
SSDs store data even that actually might not work because SSDs inherently write
27:31
to the flash as randomly as possible. So, it's not like an SD card where you
27:36
could take that flash chip, put it into a reader, and pull the data off. And
27:41
even then, that's really hard because of the because of the style of data. Hard
27:45
discs are not that bad to recover stuff from. Any other type of it's just not
27:50
back up your data. Sorry, I'll be back.
27:57
Uh, are you excited for CES? Yes. I'm ridiculously excited for CES. My voice
28:01
might not show it right now because I'm ridiculously sick as well, but CES is
28:05
going to be amazing. Um, what new or revolutionary tech is in
28:11
the works? I think we will figure that out at CES.
28:14
Okay, I'm going to start an argument with you.
28:19
Um, I would postulate that the optimal
28:22
RPM for a fan for a modern gaming system is anywhere from 700 to 800 RPM.
28:28
Is that because there's not a huge difference between that and much higher RPMs? Or is that because you don't like
28:32
the sound? I don't like the sound. It's annoying.
28:36
Okay. I don't care. I like my
28:40
SC. For reference, I have Scythe AR-15s,
28:43
which are the 1850 RPM. Just call them GTs like every normal person. Whatever,
28:47
man. Um GT 1850 RPM. The only sound that
28:50
really comes off them is the like worring sound of the wind. So, it's very
28:55
smooth. There's some motor noise. Not really. What do you mean not really? I
28:59
heard them, too. There's some motor noise. And you hear it when you put it up to your ear, not when it's in a
29:03
computer. You put enough of them together, you're going to hear it. And I
29:06
And why do you have to hear the whooing noise? I'm not saying you have to. I'm
29:10
saying it's technically there. The second I put headphones on, which I wear
29:14
headphones 100% of the time that I'm gaming. If there's any amount of noise
29:18
coming through them, I don't hear my system. Okay. Well, here's this. I would argue that it doesn't matter how loud
29:22
the computer is when you're gaming because when you're gaming, you're focused on something else. The time when
29:26
the noise matters to me is more like at idle or when I'm working on a document
29:31
or if I'm working on something where I don't have sound constantly like if I'm
29:34
video editing. Why would I want to hear
29:38
the word of fans? I don't hear it. It's totally unnecessary though. Tell me a
29:42
modern component that will actually benefit from you putting higher than 800
29:47
RPM fans in your case. That's not the point,
29:50
though. I I like playing around with overclock. I like playing with the
29:54
cooling with those AR-15s, whatever GTS. I can get really,
29:59
really good temperatures. I like those fans. They're really good fans. I The
30:03
sound does not bother me at all. Why not turn them down? I don't mind white
30:06
noise. If it could be silent, why not have it be silent? Because I don't care.
30:13
I just do not care. It's It's a It's a
30:16
worring like not annoying sound that's in the background. It's just white
30:20
noise. We're used to white noise. If you're in absolute silence, you go
30:23
crazy. Okay? And I always listen to music. Or
30:27
if I'm video editing, I'm listening to the the audio track that's in the
30:31
background. Or if I'm playing games, I'm listening to the audio in the game or music. Or I'm sitting there talking to
30:35
people on Skype. Or like there's always sound coming through. What about people around you then? I don't care.
30:41
Okay. So basically, the only reason you could possibly disagree with me about
30:45
this is because you're inconsiderate. No, it's because I don't care. And
30:48
literally no one else does either. Okay, fine. I challenge all the silence
30:53
freaks who are watching to tweet that people do care about computer noise.
30:58
Okay, then why don't you try and silence your fridge or anything else in your
31:02
house only makes noise. So, isn't it
31:06
more annoying that it's not consistent? I don't hang out in my kitchen.
31:10
I mean, I silenced my media PC. I wouldn't That makes more sense. I
31:14
wouldn't buy a TV or an AV receiver with a fan, right? Would you buy a TV with a
31:20
fan? Who's watching TV where they're desktop computers? Okay. Who's watching
31:24
TV without the sound on? By your argument. What? Because if you have the
31:28
sound on No, because in movies there's silent points. Okay. In a game there
31:32
would be a silent point. Not that
31:35
often on video editing sequence it doesn't really matter.
31:41
Totally disagree. It's unnecessary. Why do you need Why do you need the noise?
31:46
It's not much noise. It's not absolutely loud. Oh, actually I have another random
31:51
topic before we jump into a bigger one. So, um, sorry. Mark Mark Hammer uh,
31:58
tweeted to me that his wife is 30 months
32:01
pregnant and 30 months 30 weeks pregnant. Yeah, she's like she's like
32:06
this big and she's like huge and an alien. And
32:12
no, Mark, your wife's not huge. Unless she is huge, in which case like, sorry,
32:17
man, but he might like it. Yeah, he might be into that. I can't judge, dude.
32:22
All right, you're right. You know what? You're right. I don't judge you for
32:25
being into that.
32:29
I judge him. Whatever. I'm too sick to care right
32:34
now. His wife is 30 weeks pregnant and she wants to name the baby Lionus.
32:40
Discuss. Okay. It's has nothing to do with you,
32:45
I'm guessing. No, I probably it does, but you know. Oh, yeah. Whatever. Yeah,
32:50
I don't think so. He He wants me to Hold
32:53
on. His tweet says, "Lion, the wife is
32:57
30 weeks prego and clearly not thinking straight. Wants to call the baby Lionus
33:01
on the live cast. Can you unconvince
33:05
her?" I'd like your thoughts first. And remember, whether or not you get fired
33:10
tonight could hinge on your response here. I usually get fired three times
33:14
tonight. That's true. You fired me yet today. No, you've been fired once today.
33:17
When was that? You got fired earlier when when you said you were going to do
33:20
something that I didn't like and I was like, "Well, I could just fire you." You're fired. Oh, I don't remember.
33:24
Whatever. That's how much I cared.
33:28
Um I don't know. Whatever. Linus is fine. At least there's one good person.
33:33
You can look up to Linus Torvoltz. That's a cool person that has that name.
33:42
Really? You know what? This is this is sort of this is sort of off that topic,
33:47
but I would say Lionus Torvalds is far from the most important person to ever
33:51
bear the name Lionus. Come on. I'm sure there's more, but Come
33:55
on. Come on. Come on. Take take a not thinking of it. Basically basically like
33:59
the father of everything we know about vitamin C. Oh, I'm not going to remember
34:04
his last name. Two Nobel prizes. Yeah.
34:07
Yeah. Yeah. One of only, I think, two people to ever win two Nobel prizes.
34:12
Yeah. I know. I don't remember. Okay. Lionus Pauling, who is actually the
34:16
Lionus for whom I'm named. Oh, really? Yes.
34:20
Everyone assumes because I'm a dork that
34:23
it's because of Torvalds. Yeah, it's because of So that that it's because of
34:26
Torvalds, but I'm like I'm Yeah, that would have been odd timing. The timing
34:31
is not quite right. He's like first developing. I would even go as far as to
34:34
say his Torvald is number three.
34:37
Who's after that guy? Lionus Vanpel, who basically taught us the meaning of
34:41
Christmas. Oh, I didn't know. Okay.
34:46
Okay. Well, you know what? We're going to have to uh we're going to have to find the uh we're going to have to find
34:50
the YouTube clip for Slick here because he clearly he clearly needs uh needs a
34:55
little lesson on sort of the importance of of Christmas. And since we're coming
34:59
up on Christmas and yeah, I'm calling it Christmas because holiday is stupid. Uh,
35:04
whatever holiday you're currently celebrating. Yeah, whatever holiday. I'm
35:07
celebrating Christmas. So, yeah. Uh, Lionus Christmas.
35:13
So, I would go as far as to say this is the second most important Lionus.
35:18
Okay. Yeah. Okay. I didn't recognize the name right away. There we go. Oh, wrong
35:22
one. There we go. There we go. Make it
35:26
full screen. I muted it. Oh, no. It's It's low. It's low. It should be okay.
35:29
Still, it's There we go, guys. So, this is this is the meaning of Christmas.
35:36
We're just going to let them watch. Yeah. Yeah. I see.
35:47
I sure hope there's audio. Yeah.
35:52
This would be a very stale point of the episode.
35:57
great joy to all
36:03
you
36:11
Christy in the manger.
36:14
There was the angel a multitude of the heavenly
36:19
host in the
36:31
highest. So, there you go, guys. If
36:35
you're not familiar already with with Lionus from Charlie Brown, who is also
36:39
not the Lionus I'm named for, although I've had a lot of people assume that,
36:44
uh, that's the Lionus Christmas monologue, which is probably not as
36:48
important as Linux,
36:52
but whatever, man.
36:58
I hope there was audio.
37:01
Uh, no one's saying anything about it, so I guess it was probably okay.
37:06
Christmas tips. Yeah. Okay. So, why don't we do some
37:10
tweets for a bit here, guys? Okay. Bit Phoenix Recon Lionus.
37:14
Lionus tips indeed. Oh, yeah. Okay. Speaking of other awesome Lionuses,
37:18
there's some soccer player football European football um over in Europe
37:23
somewhere. And then there's Lionus Omar who plays for the Edmonton Oilers. Do
37:26
you like have a catalog of um Linuses?
37:30
No, but I'm sort of I I I noticed them. There's Lionus Chan who goes to like SFU
37:35
or something. What? Yeah. How do you Why would you possibly know that? Facebook.
37:40
I was like, "How many Lionuses are there?" Oh, yeah. One of my favorite
37:44
things to say when I call in to like Shaw or something is like they're like,
37:48
"Can I get your name and phone number?" I'm like, "Yeah, you can probably search
37:51
for me by name. It's okay." I I'm pretty sure I'm the only line of Sebastian,
37:56
which is kind of neat. Uh, okay. So, someone says,
38:01
"You're 26. I thought you were 30 plus."
38:05
Do I look that old? No. Like,
38:10
it's probably just cuz your job. Oh, because people knew you were product
38:14
manager at NCX. Oh, okay. Quiet fan
38:17
solution. Quiet fan solution. Noctua F-S series. In fact, we got some for the uh
38:21
for the behind me here is going to be our heat sink and water cooler test
38:26
bench. We are going to switch from using
38:29
random fans that are included with things to only using Noctua pressure
38:34
optimized fans at a fixed RPM that I find acceptable to where I would say
38:39
this is a quiet computer if you configure it like this. And that's going
38:43
to be in ter his his terms like silent. So that's going to be awesome and those
38:47
are great fans. Yeah. So basically what you guys can assume is that if you want
38:52
a quiet computer and you get good quality fans and you buy the heat sink
38:56
that I say gets these temperatures, you will be able to reproduce our results.
39:00
So that's the objective there. So instead of just it being like random
39:04
then and and because so often like you end up every heat sink review ends up
39:09
being the same thing. Yeah. It's like here's the temperature reading and
39:12
here's the noise reading and you have to decide what's the trade-off and it's
39:16
like in decb and you're sitting there going well a decibb are completely
39:20
meaningless to most people because they don't really understand the scale.
39:23
Remember every three decimals is a doubling of volume. Number two is that
39:28
the the quality of the sound is way more
39:31
important than how loud it is. Definitely like a a a light rattle will
39:35
drive me crazy. Oh yeah, 100%. But a low drone, which could actually be like
39:41
louder, it's fine. Well, not fine, but
39:45
fine to me. Rattling pisses me off, too. There's a difference between in like we
39:49
were talking earlier about really quiet computers and then what I was describing. There's a huge difference
39:53
between what I was describing and like one that rattles. If it rattles at all,
39:57
it'll piss me off. But a very consistent droning sound, I find perfectly
40:01
acceptable. And I mean, lots of little fans are actually not that loud. Like
40:05
the 40 mil fan on the saber-tooth actually does pretty okay. Not loud. Oh,
40:09
I I think it's annoying. Well, pretty okay for total audio, but then like you
40:14
just very high pitched, so it it uh okay
40:19
like the the decibb will probably not be that loud.
40:22
I really don't care about fan noise. I used to run my GTX 480 with the stock
40:26
cooler. Well, yeah, but the stock cooler on the 480 doesn't get that loud. It's not really loud. It gets really hot, but
40:31
it's really loud. That's okay. I mean, it's not like uh, you know, a 4870 X2.
40:36
Like, that's a loud card. Uh, what are
40:39
your favorite 120 mil fans? Knocked to a F-S series. Cooler for i5 3570K. I don't
40:44
know. Like Hyper212. That's the most common. Yeah. Hyper 212.
40:48
Or if you want something really nice, knock to a D14. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Knock
40:54
to a D14. Side with slick. As an audio engineer, I would silence my studio rig,
40:58
but you just won't hear a fan when editing anyway. Uh what is the PNY
41:01
Quadro 6000? It's a workstation graphics card for accelerating things like um
41:05
particle effects when you're doing a after post-processing on video editing
41:10
and stuff like that. What does Linus mean? It means golden or flax
41:16
inherently to do with the effect of naming your children
41:20
Linus. Oh, okay. People agree with you.
41:24
Oh yeah, you were fired today for calling a hockey period halftime. So
41:28
that's three so far today. He called the hockey break halftime. Okay. What kind
41:33
of Canadian are you? Not only am I horribly sick and not fully at it today,
41:36
usually the second intermission is referred to as a halftime. You did you
41:40
just call it an intermission? Oh, okay. Okay. Here, let
41:45
me explain to you something. Okay. Hockey has three periods. Yeah. No
41:51
intermission is half. Okay. None of them are called halftime.
41:56
No, I said referenced as No. Yeah, the
41:59
second one is often references. No, it is. It's only called halftime. Okay,
42:03
they're going to rip you apart cuz it's only called halftime in NBA and NFL
42:08
because they have four quarters. I know. I played sports. I played hockey. Okay.
42:11
Anyone you know who ever called the second period of a hockey game halftime
42:14
is a It's just so you can discern between them easily. No, it
42:18
isn't. It's called the first and second intermission.
42:21
Okay, settle down, big man.
42:27
I'll play you in hockey. Do it. I will win. Actually, I don't want to do that.
42:31
I will destroy you. No, I'm planning on getting a 3570K. Is
42:37
the H100i worth on a different cooler will be just fine if you're only
42:40
planning to go to 4.2? However, I would go as far as to say that if you're going
42:43
to 4.2, the overclocking bug will probably bite you. So, get something
42:48
better and push it. Why stop at 4.2? Low
42:52
RPM fans rule. Bam. Noise blockers. 700
42:55
RPM inaudible. Yes. And he makes a good point. I would say you're way better off
43:01
with 10 low RPM fans than one high RPM
43:04
fan. Yeah. But the same argument as before. I don't mind the droning noise.
43:09
So it doesn't really I mean that's why for you for those of you who are following my personal rig, even though
43:13
I'm a silence freak, I have two 120s in
43:16
the top, two 92s in the back. So that's four so far. I have another four on my
43:21
radiator at the bottom, another two on
43:24
my radiator at the top.
43:28
And did I cover the radiator at the front already? Yeah, I think I did. So 6
43:34
+ 4 I don't know, like 10. Why did I say
43:38
11? I don't know. Whatever. A lot of fans, but I have them controlled with my
43:42
MQTT balancer. So most of them are off a lot of the time and then the ones that
43:46
are on are running at an extremely low RPM. So, I can honestly barely hear my
43:50
system. Line is pimp tips. I have eight fans in my case and three graphics
43:55
cards, but I don't care because Battlefield 3 drowns them out. All
43:58
right, play your precious Battlefield 3. I like the sound of fans. I can't stand
44:03
it. Uh, yeah, Slick. Maybe if you put on
44:06
a jacket, you wouldn't get sick. I'll let you feel that one. That has
44:10
literally nothing to do with me being sick.
44:15
Oh my goodness. I'm just going to skim over that anyways, but look it up. It
44:19
doesn't No. New big topic. Instagram owns your photos.
44:25
Didn't they? No, they revoked that when like a couple days ago. Yesterday? No, I
44:30
think it was a few days ago. Oh, all right. I don't I don't know the whole story, but they they they announced the
44:34
big thing. Everyone freaked out and they bounced back and forth for a little bit. I don't know exactly where they are now.
44:38
Okay. I don't know. Let me see. When did I send that to myself? That's from three
44:42
days ago. So, it must have been Okay, you know what? Maybe you guys tweet at
44:45
us and let us know if it's been I could be wrong, but I know I know they bounced
44:49
around a little bit after it was originally announced. Let's pretend for now that it hasn't happened that they or
44:53
that it has happened and they haven't retracted it. That is the craziest thing
44:57
ever because basically their assumption
45:00
like they're operating like almost like a like it's almost a piracy issue at
45:05
that point because they're operating like a torrent site that was
45:11
monetizing like the the movies that they're that they're uh letting people
45:16
download like like that's what they're doing. They're acting as like like a con
45:20
except that they're hosting the content too. So it's like even worse. But in the
45:24
agreement, you're giving it to them, aren't you? You're giving it to them, but it might not be yours,
45:29
right? Because you could upload whatever there, right? So, they would be
45:34
monetizing and and asking for the right to sell something that
45:40
potentially you don't even own to give them, which would either be a liability
45:44
for them or would actually be a personal liability for whoever uploaded it. I'm
45:49
sure they'd find some way to make it a personal liability for the uploader. and
45:52
like photos taken of people within houses and stuff. Yeah. You're not
45:56
allowed to just public. Not allowed to do that. You can do it if you're in a public area, but not if you're just
46:00
randomly in a house or in a some type of private area. And so whose liability is
46:04
that now? If you take a picture of someone and and it's not even just private area like a house, like private
46:09
area like a library. Oh yeah. Like not
46:12
public land like a like like holy crap. I was just I was like I
46:18
was looking at I was like really that's just insane. And it's generated so much
46:24
bad publicity for Facebook. Yeah, of course. Because it just gets people
46:27
talking about, well, here's all the other, you know, bull crap things that
46:31
Facebook's done and just gets that like
46:34
negative buzz. I mean, will Facebook ex here's a discussion topic. Will Facebook
46:37
exist in five years? I I find this very interesting and I have no idea. I see it
46:42
like Facebook in everyone's lives as far as I knew used to be so much
46:47
bigger like a year, two years agoish.
46:51
like year and a half, two years ago, it used to be huge. And now I see a lot
46:55
more people going away from it. What are they going to though? Plus sucks. Just
46:59
nothing. Back to calling and text
47:03
messages because I think a lot of people are getting on there getting like a
47:07
thousand friends and then going, "Holy crap, I don't know most of these people
47:10
or care about them." It's offensive when you delete them. It's offensive. It just
47:14
gets kind of like this awkward kind of space and then you start creeping other
47:18
people's profiles. other people start creeping your profile and you're just like, I don't want this to be the way
47:22
that I figure out who people are and I don't want this be the way that people
47:26
figure out who I am. On the other hand, it can be extremely convenient for certain things at the same time. Yeah.
47:30
So, it's it's got a lot of pluses and minuses, but I think it's not just like
47:33
the golden holy grail that it used to be. I think a lot of people are seeing
47:37
that they don't necessarily need or want it all the time. My mom's a teacher and
47:41
her whole thing is that the perception of Facebook is changing to like that's
47:47
something my mom and dad and grandma and grandpa use to get in touch with me. See
47:51
that's more interesting because she's more in tuned with the kids.
47:56
So that is to me I'm looking at that going okay well that's sort of where
47:59
it's trending. On the other hand, if older people are using it, then Facebook
48:05
has managed to be that magical like
48:08
accessible to everyone pervasive thing.
48:12
So that's like yay. But then the young people moving away from it is like boo.
48:16
And then what are they using? Just like I said, text messages to phone. They te
48:21
they text incessantly. Yeah. Um, I mean, but I mean, Facebook's great
48:25
for that, too, because you can you can message on Facebook, and I like the
48:28
integration between private messages and chat. Uh, personally, I I I do
48:33
appreciate it. Um, but I don't
48:37
know if it exists in five years. I don't know in what form. Mhm.
48:44
Because I just have no use for it. I
48:48
think it'll be there. I don't think it'll do the MySpace dump because
48:52
they'll have those consistent people like the like the
48:56
groups that they have their whole family on there and that's how their family communicates. Like there's a lot of
49:00
people that are like that. So they'll I don't think they'll necessarily
49:04
disappear. I think it'll just be a completely different form.
49:09
It could be the same thing. I don't know. I don't
49:13
remember. Okay, so we're at the top. You tweeted about a gaming giveaway a few
49:16
days ago. Later. Ah, it'll come later. Tuning in at 5:00 am in Wales. Yes.
49:22
Yeah. Oh, he's in a hospital bed, though. Boo. That's no good. Sorry to
49:25
hear that, man. I only use Facebook to communicate
49:29
with extended family. For other purposes, I hate it. Yeah. And then anyone who Oh, sorry. We're not showing
49:33
the tweets. Uh, for anyone who is doesn't want to communicate with their
49:37
extended family, then it's like, yeah,
49:41
whatevers. I mean, I've I've always been actually I mean, like I'm I'm techsavvy
49:45
in some ways, but in other ways I'm very resistant. Like I never had a MySpace
49:48
account. Never had like a Zenga account or or um you know, I was on the Palace,
49:56
so that was a long time ago. I'd love it if anyone who also used the Palace
50:00
tweets because I've never even heard of this. This is this is before your time,
50:03
son. Um so I was on the palace. I it's
50:06
it was basically like a chat room and like every chat room was just like a
50:10
like like it was just an image and then
50:13
um people's avatars you could just kind of move around the room and then there was this little speech bubbles. The
50:17
palace is the only reason I learned to touch type because there was no log of
50:22
messages. You had to just be looking at the screen and reading. So if you wanted
50:26
to say anything Yeah. you had to be quick. You had to be a touch typist. You
50:29
had to be fast. It's the only reason I know how to type. That's funny. Um, so I
50:33
was on that and then I didn't do any I was I used MSN Messenger a lot and then
50:38
I didn't get anything until I finally gave in and got Facebook. I went I went
50:42
from Nixopia which I very rarely used.
50:46
No, I know. You're fired for having a Nexopia account at some point. I never
50:50
had MySpace and then I didn't get Facebook until I was in like
50:54
grade nine and then I didn't even make my Facebook. One of my friends made my
50:59
Facebook and attached it to my email and it was like log in. But I think that's
51:03
how a lot of people got sucked into it. Yeah, to be honest. And then I used it
51:07
for a while and then Yeah, whatever. I mean, the only reason I ever use it is
51:10
if I get a private like I I only accept real life acquaintances and then if I
51:15
get a private message then I'll look at that. But I don't look at my wall. I mean I use Facebook for the fan page,
51:19
right? Like I I monitor that. But then you use that. Yeah. Like my personal
51:24
Facebook I only use for like my little group of gaming friends and then school.
51:29
That's it. So I don't know. There are some white incinerating lights crawling
51:33
over Earth. What do run away from the light? Don't move towards the light.
51:38
Should Nope. You should not demagnetize your screwdriver before mounting a
51:41
motherboard. Thoughts on Alienware laptops? They're
51:45
bulky and they're not powerful compared to a desktop, but they're portable,
51:49
which it sounds like you already knew. They heat up a lot usually. Yeah, they
51:52
run hot. Ah, they went back to their previous policy agreement and added an
51:57
extra filter to say, "Sorry for making you
52:00
mad." Okay. Okay, there you go. Apparently, it was yesterday. Yeah, they
52:05
won't sell your photos. You're using your photos for advertising. You still
52:09
own them. Okay, good. Uh, from Facebook to potentially
52:13
Plus or whatever that is. D Daspora. What's Daspora? No idea. Okay, cool. Or
52:19
just texting. Facebook sucks. I hope it dies. Stab. Stab, what do you think of
52:22
the new Twitch layout beta? Haven't seen it. It's good. Is it? We were supposed
52:26
to use it for this stream. I forgot to tell you.
52:30
Um, I think it's just Twitch uh slash new. Okay. But I don't know if that's if
52:36
they have to set it to that or if we set it to that. Let's look at it. Let's see
52:39
how much we like it. So, we just go to our URL and then slash new. I'm pretty
52:43
sure is what it is. Let's make this uh full screen here for a
52:46
sec. All right. So there's uh you got the chat on the side which looks pretty
52:51
len normal and then you've got like a bunch of other cool stuff on the left.
52:55
It's just it looks cleaner. Better usage of space. Yeah, it's cleaner. Yeah, it
52:58
looks a lot cleaner. Yeah, it's it's nice. Is the size of the player was it
53:02
adjustable before? I don't know. But I think the default size is also larger
53:06
now. Cool. Well, that's great. I mean, if we're going to stream in 1080p, you
53:09
might as well be able to uh you might as well be able to actually like see it,
53:13
right? But I don't know if we set it to that on our end. I don't think we set it
53:16
to that. Well, he's watching us right now. Yeah. So, the viewer sets it to
53:19
that. So, if you guys go to your URL bar and type slashnew at the end, you'll get
53:23
the much better link. How many viewers do we have tonight? Oh, wow. 2100.
53:28
Apparently, we don't suck as bad as last week. Actually, I think last week just people were in finals. Finals. Yeah. And
53:33
we forgive you you guys. We We know school is like awesome. Yeah.
53:41
I don't think they even saw our fist bump. Okay. Recreate the fist bump
53:44
moment. That hurts. Your knuckles are so big. Sorry. I swear your knuckles are
53:48
like twice the size of mine. Doesn't correlate to anything
53:52
else. Greetings from Costa Rica. Are you still
53:57
at the office? Absolutely not. Uh we are
54:00
in my garage. There's an axe on the wall. Yeah.
54:03
The Russian has had a paintball gun at work for like two months. What?
54:10
How is that allowed? I No, I gave him hell for it earlier this week. I was
54:13
like, why is this still here? Cuz I think he brought it in as like a
54:17
Halloween costume or something, but like early in October and we're or like
54:21
midocctober and we're at like the end of December. I'm just like, you didn't even
54:25
end up dressing up in this as a costume. Take this thing home. It's bad enough he
54:30
has a sword in his office. Yeah, I saw that, too. But that was that's NZXT
54:33
swag, though. Yeah, that was uh that went with the uh here. The sword was
54:38
part of the same thing that I allowed me to acquire that helmet right there. So,
54:43
I mean, the sword I kind of understand cuz at least it's Tech Swag, but like
54:47
this paintball gun and it's like it's like a replica style paintball gun.
54:51
Like, it doesn't just look like it's not like a spider or something like a goofy
54:54
little marker. Like, it's got a stock on it and like just like, dude, don't do
55:00
that. It's like a an office. Like, you
55:03
know, with all the things that go on in like offices and schools, it's like
55:06
people don't want to see that, man. Oh, speaking of the Russian, did he ever
55:11
text me tonight? He was going to tell me. They're doing some kind of like game until the world ends event or something
55:17
tonight. I don't know when it runs until, but you I don't know. Go to the I
55:22
don't even know where to go. There might be a post on the forum or something.
55:26
That would be my guess. I don't know. He was like, "Can you join?" And I'm like,
55:30
"I got my live stream." And yeah, and I
55:33
don't have a gaming rig yet, but soon. Shut up, noob.
55:38
Uh, did I miss the talk about the Intel NVIDIA thing? Yes, you did. But it's
55:42
okay. Live stream archive. Archive. Archive. Um, what do you the new 7
55:48
series cards going to be like? I am expecting I'm expecting like a 480 to
55:53
580 bump. I'm expecting them to be more efficient and a little bit more
55:56
powerful. Yeah, I no guarantees though. I mean,
56:01
they might pull, you know, GK 110 out of their butts and be like, "Yeah,
56:06
whatever. I so I don't know. I doubt it. Yeah, I don't see that happening, but
56:10
you never know because if they can sell enough of them to for supercomputing,
56:13
then I'm sure they're fine. Uh, what do you think of OCZ in the new Vector SSD?
56:17
Actually, Slick, you benchmarked it today. How'd it go? I didn't go way too
56:21
into data to own it. Oh, I wasn't done benchmarking. Oh, okay. I got like
56:25
halfway through. I can tell you from what I've read and from what I've seen
56:29
so far, it looks reliable and the performance is beast. So I think I
56:35
understand a lot of what OCZ was doing with the branding of the Vector and with
56:38
the way they did the release. So number one is they moved away from any of their
56:42
previous branding conventions. So Vert.Ex the reason they stuck with
56:46
Vert.ex for four generations was that Vert.Ex had such a strong brand like
56:52
back in the agility one Vert.Ex one days the performance difference between those
56:57
drives was very small. I mean, we were limited by things that went beyond using
57:01
sync or async flash controllers,
57:05
interface, all that stuff. And uh but
57:09
because the Vertex branding was so strong and there were so many reviews
57:12
and the customer perception was so good of a Vertex, it outsold agility, at
57:17
least I'm just speaking from my experience as the OCZ product manager at
57:20
NCX. It outsold agility like 10 20 to1
57:24
like huge. And Vertex 2, I had the same experience. Vert.ex 3, same experience.
57:29
Agility started to catch up a lot because async flash got really cheaper
57:32
around that time at times. Uh Vert.Ex 4,
57:36
same thing, but Agility 4 was a legitimately much worse drive than
57:40
Vert.Ex 4. So they went and they changed like how often do companies do stuff
57:45
like that? Like when did it like Intel is still using the Pentium name? Yeah. I
57:50
would say AMD should still be using the Athlon name. Yeah. Like Yeah. Why not?
57:55
Like you have a good branding asset. you use it, why not? Um, as long as you have
57:59
a good product to go with it. So, Vector, they're saying, "Look, we're a
58:02
new company. We're doing things differently, you know?" So, they're
58:05
doing long warranty, which they did on Vert.ex 4, but they're So, they're
58:08
continuing that. They did a much more uh rigorous testing of the drive. They
58:12
validated it in a way that they haven't done in the past. Well, how how long did
58:16
it take them to bring this one to market? 18 months compared to Vertex.
58:20
Less than 12 months. Yeah. For previous drives, which means they spent at least
58:25
six months. Yeah. just validating at least half a year
58:28
more on just the development validating it. So I think that they were trying to
58:33
say look we're a new OCZ and they really are like they're I people that I've
58:38
known there um like the CEO um the chief
58:42
sales officer um or director of sales or
58:45
I forget VP of sales I think VP of sales was his actual title. Um but like these
58:50
guys they're gone. Um and it's it's a
58:53
very very different crew over there. I can tell you guys that much. So, uh,
58:57
yeah, very, very positive. I have a really good feeling about where they're
59:01
going. I mean, they still got some stuff to get figured out on the financial
59:04
side, on the legal side. Um, you know, they're a public company, so there's a
59:08
lot of paperwork that goes along with that, and they got to figure that out. But, you know, I I I hope they land on
59:13
their feet. Yeah, me too. They're been around for a while, so it' be nice to
59:16
keep around. I'm like I said, I'm like halfway done the benchmarks, so next
59:21
whenever we'll film it and then we'll release it as soon as possible. I mean,
59:24
they've done some things wrong over the years, but quite frankly, so has
59:27
everyone. Yeah. Um, you know, you look at uh
59:32
uh Intel screwed up the firmware on X25
59:35
twice. Do you know about this? It wasn't into SSDs then because they were Okay. Uh,
59:40
Crucial screwed up the M4, so it just turned off after a certain number of
59:44
hours. You know, you look at things like uh things like RAM. Crucial had a
59:48
disastrous batch of ballistics back in the DDR2 days. We were talking like 40%
59:53
RMA rates. I remember bad batches happen to everyone. Stuff happens. And OCZ gets
59:59
a really bad rap sometimes. Well, because they sell a lot. They sell a
60:03
lot. But I'm talking even other categories. OCZ power supplies for
60:07
whatever reason have this terrible reputation. Like on forums, you look at
60:10
experienced guys going, "Oh, I wouldn't touch that." Let me tell you something,
60:14
and I don't normally talk about this kind of stuff because it's kind of confidential information, but the RMA
60:20
rate back to NCIX on OCZ power supplies was around
60:24
2%. Which I can tell you guys right now was number two in terms of RMA rates at
60:30
NCIX. And we're talking Anttech, CIC,
60:34
Corsair. Two of those three were worse than
60:38
OCZ for the period of time that I was managing it, right? which was like three
60:43
years. So, bam. Like, people sort of
60:47
talk about it, but it's like where are they getting this data?
60:53
Like, maybe they got bitten by something. I still have a Game Extreme
60:56
600 watt and like that's a launch unit.
60:59
Yeah. That's running in my work machine at at NCIX. So, this is like what, five,
61:05
six years down the road. It's not like every one of them dies. And it seems to
61:09
be the perception. I don't understand. And you look at recent products like ZX
61:12
series built by a very reputable OEM,
61:15
very high quality power supply. I don't get
61:19
it. Anyway,
61:23
OCZ. Um, were you ever on Geio Cities?
61:29
Nope. Watching from Ecuador? Yes. Streaming in 360p like a
61:34
boss. Thank you for tolerating our terrible 360pness.
61:42
No. Come on. No. Ness is a perfectly
61:46
legitimate suffix. 360p is a real thing.
61:52
Okay. No. No. No. Not for that.
61:57
Whatever, man.
62:02
Okay. I don't expect Intel and Apple to
62:05
team up at any point in time. I think Apple's busy alienating absolutely
62:08
everyone between the lawsuits against Samsung and they're losing a lot of that
62:13
right now. Have you heard about that? I have. They're losing like crazy left and right. They're losing everywhere. And
62:17
the fact that it's it's almost like they're kind of going like this at Intel. You hear the latest thing where
62:21
Apple says they want to develop their own CPU and move away from Intel on their notebooks. It's like what's the
62:26
point of even saying something like that?
62:30
I think they're literally just like ever since Steve Jobs pass like you look at
62:35
the history of the company like Steve Jobs starts the company. Yeah. Steve Jobs gets fired. Steve Jobs comes back.
62:40
Yeah. Steve Jobs passes away. It's like come on. They they just like the second
62:45
he is gone, they just try and fight everyone. Like how does that seem like a
62:49
good strategy? Let's just like go fisticuffs with every single company we
62:53
can possibly. Whereas I mean Steve Jobs was never afraid to go toe-to-toe. No,
62:56
he'll go toe-to-toe with Google, but did it intelligently and had a plan. It's
63:01
not just like throwing punches in every possible direction you can think of. I
63:05
mean, why go against Samsung? That was stupid. Like Samsung. And like, why
63:10
why push out Apple Maps when it just doesn't work?
63:15
I still haven't upgraded to iOS 6. I've been lazy. I tried last night, but I
63:18
needed a 50. I know there's a Google Google. Yeah, that's the only reason I
63:22
was considering it. Okay, I'm going to go get another topic. Maybe do a couple
63:25
tweets. Apparently, it costs a dollar to send a private message on uh to a
63:29
non-friend on Facebook. Really? I've never heard of that before. I've never
63:33
tried. Never tried. Yeah, that's interesting. I wonder how they even work
63:37
that in. How do you even send a message to
63:41
someone who's you're not a friend with on Facebook? I have no idea. I've never
63:45
even Oh, you're going to love this. Oh, okay. Yeah, really cool. Uh really cool
63:49
news. So, um, I'll be the first one to
63:53
say Linux totally doesn't matter because I don't care about it. Has zero
63:57
application to my life, but I know you're a bit of a Linux guy. You use it
64:00
every day whether you OCZ directly or not. Speaking of OCZ has has launched a
64:06
beta um a beta application that enables
64:09
SSD caching on Linux. So, wait, on
64:13
regular SSDs. But I thought you didn't care about it. Well, I said you should
64:18
care about this news. Oh, okay. You were all excited. So, I thought you were
64:21
like, I don't care about Linux, but I care about this. No, no, the implications of this are huge. Yeah,
64:25
that's awesome. Um, blah blah blah blah blah something something something. Aha.
64:29
Beta test program for its Linux acceleration software development and
64:34
invites its enterprise SSD customers to participate. So, it's a fast caching
64:38
storage solution for their SSDs designed specifically for Linux based physical
64:42
and virtual environments. That's awesome. So basically this is kind of
64:45
like um this is kind of shoot what's their
64:50
what's their accelerator drive called the desktop one synapse uh yeah synapse
64:55
cache so it's kind of like synapse except you can use any OCZ enterprise
64:59
SSD you can cache a magnetic storage solution and unlike you know what uh you
65:06
know adapt or you know LSI or whatever
65:10
wants you to believe unlike that they
65:13
are not locking ing it down to a hardware platform.
65:19
If it works out, that's awesome. That's gamechanging. Yeah, that's like this is
65:22
like this is like the end of the end of expensive hardware solutions for this
65:28
potentially because it doesn't only work with SATA and SAS, it also works with
65:34
PCI Express SSDs. Oh, nice. That's kind of cool. So their entire enterprise
65:39
thing is going to be so basically okay so imagine this server was it you where
65:44
you were talking about that sort of uber density for you thing okay so what was
65:48
the density they were able to achieve I can't remember but it was insane it's called red red something it's this
65:52
gigantic red server that just holds a
65:56
billion hard drives okay so picture this something like that where maybe you
66:00
build like you have like a 50 or 100 terabyte storage server then you go okay
66:05
seven PCI Express slots with 1 TBTE of SSD each. A softwarebased solution. So
66:11
you don't even have to have like you don't even have to have any cards in your system other than SSDs running off
66:18
of wicked fast PCI Express and these storage. Oh no. I guess you'd need
66:22
something to plug storage drives into. Oh crap. Okay. Well, fine. So you have a
66:26
couple Okay, fine. You have a couple SSDs then. And you get them to do I know
66:30
they do custom solutions. So you go to OC. You say, "Look, we need 4 TB SSDs
66:34
and we need so you have like four running here to connect all your hard
66:37
drives. You have like three running here to be like so like 12 terabytes of like
66:42
Uber cache for the thing." I mean, that's that's a whole new generation of
66:46
performance really. Yeah. Where instead of FA like I I remember hearing a really
66:51
cool stat that Facebook was buying something like like some however many
66:55
dozen servers every day just to add to their racks. And I think it's everyone's
67:00
Facebook front page has to be stored on SSD. Yep. So if they roll out something,
67:06
so if OCZ basically goes, look, here's our solution. Buy our SSDs, which are
67:10
competitively priced as far as enterprise SSDs go because it's flash in
67:13
a controller. It's not rocket science. Buy our SSDs. We have this Linux SSD
67:19
caching system that's ready to go. You just deploy it and it'll cache your
67:24
magnetic storage. All of a sudden, you don't have to have dedicated SSDs for
67:28
anything. It'll automatically cache the most frequently used data. The first
67:32
load will be slow. Facebook would still need it. Okay. Facebook would still need
67:36
it. Stuff that needs the entire thing on a dedicated SSD. Yeah. Okay. Yes. But
67:42
yeah, but would they Okay. Okay. Front page would have to be on SSD, but
67:46
everyone's front pages after a little while would eventually end up in the SSD
67:50
cache anyway. everyone's well if they keep adding blades the way
67:54
they're adding them and every single one of them had like let's say 10% of the
67:57
storage in every blade was SSD then all the all the I think well
68:03
like this would come into tune with the thing that you're saying where you can contact OC and get a custom yes things
68:07
up so Facebook would need their own kind of design for everything so they'd have
68:12
a completely custom thing I'm sure and then they basically decide what is the
68:16
appropriate ratio of SSD to hard drive
68:19
and as long as the caching solutions enough and we've already seen I mean
68:23
almost every well not everyone but you know you look like guys like uh uh
68:27
datlex guys like LSI adapt all these
68:31
guys have caching solutions that's actually something I didn't think about
68:34
the LSI acquisition of sandforce probably has huge implications for SSD
68:38
caching sorry I didn't think of that before but anyway um so it's not rocket
68:43
science at this point I don't think so if they work it out so that as long as
68:47
they've got the right ratio of magnetic to solid state storage. They wouldn't
68:51
have to have dedicated SSD machines anymore. Pretty much they could just go,
68:56
"Okay, put it in autopilot. Don't touch it anymore because it's all handled by
69:00
the software." I think I think you're still going to
69:04
want if you're doing something like that, I think you're still going to want someone managing everything. But I mean,
69:09
okay, you look at stuff like a photo that people look at once in a while and
69:13
if the loading time's a little bit slower, that could sit on magnetic. And
69:17
if it could all be
69:20
dynamically monitored, then great. Anyway, I thought that was cool. I
69:25
thought you'd think it's cooler than you seem to think it is, but whatever. Sick.
69:29
You're a constant disappointment.
69:33
You're a jerk. Um, I'm trying to find the name of that
69:37
thing. It's just gigantic for you and it's painted red and it just has all the
69:42
hard drives. It's ridiculous. Got any
69:46
more topics or should I go to Twitter?
69:49
Um, oh, Intel Ivy Bridge chips may dip below 13 watts. So, that's cool. So,
69:55
we're talking like desktop processors that uh so step down further depending
69:59
on the situation to as little as seven watts, which would be amazing for
70:03
tablets because I'm super stoked on Windows 8, like proper Windows 8 tablets
70:06
100%. So, that's cool, but I don't think I want to talk about that for that long.
70:11
Um,
70:14
I don't know. You got anything? Uh, not really.
70:20
Topic suggestion for blah blah blah. Um,
70:24
Brendick H asks, "Do you think it's possible for Valve to push the main PC
70:28
gaming market to Linux?" No. No, I don't
70:31
think so either. No, but they are. How do I bring up I love you, Gabe, but it's
70:35
not going to happen. There we go. Um, but I don't think I think he's wanting
70:39
to make it viable for his Steam box.
70:42
Yeah, but even then like
70:46
I think it'll be viable, but people are going to use what they're used to and people are going to you are going to use
70:51
what they currently like and that's in the most part Windows. And you could,
70:54
okay, even if you were to make the argument that Windows has peaked and is
70:59
on the downtrend in terms of its, you know, market dominance or whatever else,
71:04
whatever other argument you're going to make, I would say that the tale on that
71:08
is so long that Gabe Newell may not even live to see the end of L of Windows as
71:12
the dominant gaming platform for the PC. Yeah. Like even if this is the
71:17
apex, the li the library and the tool
71:21
sets and all of this stuff is so deeply
71:26
entrenched for anything but casual. I don't see it happening anytime soon.
71:32
Yeah. But then at the same time, you see like it's not it's not just Gabe, it's
71:36
not just Steam because um you see like
71:40
any Kickstarter game, any Kickstarter game, they they push the game and then
71:45
there's a billion comments of people asking like make a stretch goal for Linux and their first stretch goal is
71:49
like always Linux. Like people care and it's becoming a bigger thing and like
71:53
it's a really local minority. Yes. But then not necessarily just North America.
71:58
You got to think about that too. A huge amount of the rest of the world uses a
72:02
lot of Linux. Fair enough. North America not so much like at all.
72:08
But Right. And bearing in mind that North America for markets like games
72:13
just dwarfs almost everything else. No, that's true. I know. But it's like it's
72:18
happening. It's I agree with you. I agree with you. Very long tailed, but it
72:22
is happening. And I know a ton of people that will get rid of their Windows
72:26
partition now. But it's more people that are already dual booting with Linux.
72:29
Yes. and which is like a sl a sliver of
72:32
a sliver of computer users. I'm just saying it will it will convert some
72:36
people. Here's the other thing that will be devastating for something like Linux
72:39
adoption and it comes down to our same conversation about the longer the longer
72:44
um upgrade cycles that people have these days and that is the fact that so many
72:49
people are still running Windows XP machines that are fast enough for every
72:54
casual game that comes out in the next 5 to 10 years. So, not only does Linux
73:00
have to go up against the dominance of Windows 7, Windows 8, Windows, well,
73:06
Vista to a lesser extent, but they're they're out there. There are Vista machines out there. Um, but they have to
73:10
go up against that every game for however long from now is going
73:15
to run on Windows XP. Like, like it's
73:19
it's still a requirement. Yeah. So, it's
73:22
like how many platforms do you want to build for? Yeah, for sure.
73:27
Yeah, like that's that's part of the reason the tail. So I think that upgrade
73:31
cycle is going to continue to extend
73:34
especially as NVIDIA and Intel slow down their development and release products
73:38
less frequently. Your computer will be good enough for longer. And with the
73:42
quality of the components that especially on the custom side these
73:46
motherboard manufacturers and VGA manufacturers are using, it's like when
73:50
would I ever have to replace a Maximus 5 formula? I think every component on that
73:54
board is rated for something like 15 years of continuous operation. It's like
73:58
it's just ridiculous. And like those new the AX power supplies from Corsair.
74:02
Yeah. And like the some of the new SSDs that are coming out, they're all just
74:06
absolutely ridiculous. I mean, it used to be that when you bought like high-end
74:11
power supply, you were paying for the fact
74:14
that it wouldn't die after 3 years. Yeah. Whereas now, you take for granted
74:20
that it's going to last 5 to 10 years. Oh, seriously. And you've even got like
74:23
sevenyear warranties on stuff. I mean, guys, a manufacturer gives you a
74:27
warranty that is like a fraction of how long they actually expect it to last.
74:32
Like your appliances have a 1 to twoyear warranty. They expect that thing to last
74:36
10 plus years. Think about that in terms of your computer. If they're giving you a 5year warranty, they it's not going to
74:42
die. Basically, the only thing I can think of that is going the other
74:45
direction is like TVs and monitors
74:51
cuz Yeah, I totally agree. But like old school TVs like CRT style stuff just
74:57
like still works. Let me put it this way. NCX has a 39 in LED back lit 120 Hz
75:04
TV that's going to be in the Boxing Week sale and you guys didn't hear this from
75:08
me at $2.99. What? Wow. So, this is a 39 in TV which
75:14
is 1080p which basically costs as much
75:18
as even like 6 months to a year ago. Oh
75:22
yeah. Like a 22 23 in monitor. Yeah. TVs
75:27
don't use TN panels. So that's something to bear in mind too. Oh yeah. So it's
75:32
not like they get to use a TN panel to cheap out unless they are like super
75:36
cheap TVs. And the material costs are obviously
75:41
higher because it's just larger. Yeah. In like every possible way of defining
75:46
that. Like like just the plastic mold to
75:49
create the bezel is larger. Like everything is just everything costs
75:53
more. Yeah. Yeah. How could they afford to make it last for 10 years? No, I
75:57
know. But I'm just saying like that's that's the only thing I can possibly think of that's going the other way.
76:03
Yeah. Even things like light bulbs last longer now. Everything just seems to
76:06
last longer. But just the only thing I can possibly think of is TVs and screens
76:11
and phones. Yeah, phones used to be built like
76:14
tanks. Oh my goodness, that old Nokia one that you could like literally drive
76:18
over with the tank and it just wouldn't care. I think I had that one. Was it the blue one? Yeah, it was very iconic.
76:23
Black and white screen, right? For some reason, I can't remember. Yeah, it's
76:26
yellowy kind of or like like orange back lit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um I can't
76:30
remember the name of it, but it's like Okay. I don't know. I I had one though.
76:34
such a well-known Nokia phone, but like that thing was a beast. And a lot of old
76:37
school phones were just absolute beast. Oh yeah, I used to drop it all the time.
76:40
And now like I kind of worry about this one and if I had an iPhone, I would just
76:45
constantly worry about Now they do a drop test on like YouTube just to prove
76:49
that it won't break after one drop, which is brutal.
76:54
And they're slipperier than ever. Yeah, you can see like I obviously
76:59
worry. I have an Otter box, which is my case, and that's like armor for your
77:04
phone because I'm just like seriously worried that it'll just break if I ever
77:07
do anything bad to it. Oh, you know what we should talk about? Uh, how much time
77:11
do we have left? Uh, uh, it's 10
77:14
minutes. We got We got like 11 minutes. Okay. Um, so I want to talk about a new
77:18
idea. I'm thinking I'm going to start this in January. We'll use the forum as
77:21
part of a as part of a launch thing. So, for all of you guys watching here, I I'm
77:26
assuming if you're tuning in live that you're probably someone who, you know,
77:29
watches my videos.
77:34
Um, YouTubers need likes. They need
77:37
likes. They need comments, and they need shares. One of the biggest things that
77:42
I've noticed about my videos is a lot of people watch them, but apparently nobody
77:46
actually likes them. Um, which is I mean
77:50
I I hope that's not actually the case,
77:53
but if the uh 3310, okay, I don't know if that's the one I had or not, but let
77:59
how do how do I address this? I don't want to plead for likes. I think it's
78:03
lame. If you look back at my older videos, I didn't even ask people to
78:07
subscribe because I always took kind of the, hey, if people want to watch my
78:12
videos, then they want to subscribe. That's cool. Sorry for my voice. wanted
78:16
it to be the most organic as possible. Wanted it to be people that really
78:20
actually really desired to see more instead of just felt incentive to see
78:24
more. Legit wanted to subscribe or wanted to like the video or or or
78:28
whatever else. But what I'm looking at now is more and more and more YouTube is
78:32
tweaking their algorithms to focus on engagement. So they're looking for how
78:37
many people like the video, how many people comment on it, how related the
78:41
comments are to the keywords in the title in the description, and how many
78:45
people are sharing it, whether it's on Facebook or Twitter or on or on YouTube
78:49
itself. And um for those of you who are
78:52
watching right now, consider this sort of my appeal to you. It's not that much
78:56
work. In fact, you can download scripts that autoike the video, every video you
79:00
watch, and then you can manually dislike it if you don't like it or unlike it if
79:04
you if it turns out that you don't actually like it. Um, I would hope you
79:08
guys will do that. And so, what I'm thinking is I'm actually going to create
79:12
a program where every month we're going
79:16
to contribute because as you guys know, there's ad revenue that goes along with
79:19
having better search rankings. So, you know, if you guys are able to help me
79:23
get better search rankings, get more views, build build this this community,
79:28
build this viewership base, then I figure I should probably give something
79:32
back. So, what I'm thinking is we do either monthly or quarterly targets
79:35
where I basically go, look, for every like on a Linus Tech Tips video this
79:42
month, I'm going to contribute X number
79:45
of cents and it'll probably be like a fraction of a cent because the last
79:49
thing every single like that's just insane. Yeah. The last thing I need to
79:52
do is go broke immediately because you guys are so gung-ho. And I mean, like I
79:56
appreciate the support, but I also, you know, have a baby to feed. Um, so I'm
80:02
thinking we basically go, okay, for every like this month, we're going to contribute this much. And then with the
80:07
forum that we're starting up, we can let the viewers decide what we do with the
80:11
money. So we can basically go, okay, um,
80:15
you know, uh, we can we can create a vote every month. We can go, okay, this,
80:20
you know, moderator needs a new computer. Should we contribute to that?
80:24
or there's this charity that uh you know
80:27
uh like I know particularly Slick MS is really important to him for for some
80:32
personal reasons. Um you know for me um Alzheimer's and dementia is pretty
80:36
important for some personal reasons. Um so there's a lot of different different
80:40
things like that. So we could basically create a list and let the community
80:44
decide what we do with the money. So, we can go, okay, look, this month we're
80:48
going to do this up to a maximum of $1,000, and then at the end of the
80:51
month, you guys get to vote on what you want us to do with that $1,000. BC
80:55
Children's Hospital is one I'd also really like to contribute to. We write a
80:59
check, we film it, we mail it, and uh that way instead of me having to sort of
81:04
gravel for please like my video, which I think is just ridiculous, and I've held
81:08
out as long as I can before even making any kind of appeal about it. Um, I think
81:13
it's a way for you guys to really contribute something by liking the video
81:18
and a way for me to give back to the general world for you guys helping sort
81:24
of push the popularity of what we're doing up. So, if you guys think that
81:28
makes sense, I' let's take your tweets on that for the rest of the uh for the
81:32
rest of the segment here. And like a lot of that interaction would come from a
81:36
lot of
81:40
I like it. I like it. I like it. Um,
81:44
Um, a lot of those interactions would be done through the forum. So, I like it
81:48
like that. I like it like that. Um, so
81:53
you guys could vote through the forum like we were saying and like say you
81:56
guys did a Keval loan or some type of recurring thing that would happen. You
81:59
guys could orchestrate that whole process. So, it would be a lot of
82:03
interaction from you guys and a lot driven through the forum. And that's the thing, we need your help. That's a
82:08
really good point because my whole thing is I don't want every video to be like,
82:13
"Please like my videos. My baby needs to
82:16
eat." Like I It can't be like that.
82:19
That's stupid. It's stupid. I think it's pathetic. And for all the other
82:24
YouTubers who are watching me right now, I think it's pathetic. I really do.
82:27
Pleading for likes is lame. Um but what
82:30
I would rely on you guys to do is to advocate. Like I don't want to say in
82:35
the video, guys, like the video and I'll donate to a charity. I want you guys to
82:38
drive that. I want the top I want the top rated comment under every video to
82:43
be about what this month's thing is.
82:46
Like like if you guys come up with a personal goal through the forum or
82:50
something that you guys want to hit like oh something happened like say there's a
82:53
natural disaster and you guys want to push something towards that natural
82:56
disaster. Exactly. We could you guys could push for that and our donations
83:00
would go towards that if it's the highest voted thing which if it was a natural disaster probably would be and
83:04
if you guys are all contributing together and supporting each other's
83:08
ideas in the forum which Slick will actually start working on tomorrow.
83:11
Tomorrow is the beginning date the day. Uh well second day but you haven't
83:16
gotten much done on it yet. First day wasn't really Yeah. Yeah. First day finals are over basically. So, uh, so
83:22
yeah, we're I think we're pretty excited about this idea. And we need you guys to
83:26
advocate. And honestly, like, think about it this way. It really does help
83:29
me a lot. The sooner you guys get started, the better, the better it will
83:34
be. Even though I know we're not doing a target for December, and I'm not 100%
83:37
sure if I'll be able to launch in time for January. But tell you what, I'll
83:41
commit now. February for sure, I'll commit at least 500 bucks as like a as a
83:47
ceiling for this for this new program. And then what I'd like is for
83:52
as what I'd like what I'd like is for as
83:55
we keep going, you know, if I'm pushing you guys to hit a bigger and bigger
83:59
target, then I want to contribute bigger and bigger amounts of money. I think
84:03
that's how this should work. Okay. So, yeah, let's let's do some tweets about
84:07
this. So, swag. Okay. C uh do it. Can
84:11
you buy front panel cables that are sleeved so they don't know, but you can sleeve them? Yeah, you can sleeve
84:15
yourself. Seems legit. When will the AMD never settle promotion end? Um, it's
84:20
gonna end when they run out of codes, so you should still be okay on Boxing Day.
84:25
Oh my god, Blaze.
84:28
I don't know. Okay. Can you tell me which components are needed for computer
84:32
graphics? Blaze? What? I wonder if that's the name of that server that I'm
84:35
thinking of. I don't know. Whatever. The big red thing that holds up. Okay, sure.
84:39
That might be something to do with hardware and software needed for computer graphics. Uh, it depends what
84:44
kind of computer graphics. We talked about Tegra 4 a little bit. Looks ballin. Yeah, it looks awesome. I gave
84:49
away my Gunner glasses to Slick. Should I read between the lines on your opinion
84:52
on them? No, my opinion is that they do reduce eye fatigue. 100%. If you sit at
84:57
your computer for a long time, they work. What I didn't like about them is
85:01
my eyes are sort of going a little bit right now as it is. They have a bit of
85:05
magnification on them. So, it's not a prescription, it is a magnification. And
85:10
what I found is that for my eyes, even though they were much less fatigued, I
85:15
was having more trouble focusing on things when I'm not at my computer. So,
85:19
that was what I didn't like about them. Um, when I sit at my computer, 100% they
85:23
help. Yeah, I've actually used them and
85:27
have the exact same use case. Want to settle a debate? What memory is
85:31
better? 2x4 at 1333 or 1x8 at 1600? 2x4
85:35
at 1333. However, I would probably go 1x8 at 1600 because it gives you more
85:39
upgrade options and it's not going to make that much of a difference in terms
85:43
of performance anyway. What's your favorite apps with your Galaxy?
85:48
I covered that actually earlier in the episode. There's a few more. Watch the
85:51
archive. Yeah, maybe I'll jump on Twitter later. Favorite mechanical keyboards? I know we cover this a lot.
85:56
Zyel 60 big red for you. Back blaze storage pod.
86:00
That's it 100%. Okay. Uh we were going
86:03
to get to that. There you go. Oh crap, we almost forgot that. Right. Oh yes, I
86:08
put it here so I wouldn't forget. Okay, sorry. Sorry, sorry. We'll go back to
86:11
Guys, keep sending in your comments on the uh on the money likes thing.
86:17
Um, okay. So, did I tell you about this?
86:21
You I These are Twinkies, right? Yes. Okay. So, I This is the first time I
86:27
have ever actually received mail from a viewer. Dear Lionus Sebastian, I heard
86:32
on one of your live streams that you have never had a Twinkie. I figured that
86:36
because it is the Christmas season, I would give a gift on behalf of all the
86:40
hard work you do to bring us Linus Tech Tips, your live stream, and all the other channels you're associated with. I
86:45
hope you enjoy your first Twinkie, and have a very merry Christmas. Sincerely,
86:50
Ryan 9298B2 on Twitter. Postcript RIP
86:55
Hostess. So, I don't know if you remember this, Ryan, but neither Slick
87:01
nor I have ever eaten a Twinkie before. So, this is a sealed Twinkie box. Okay.
87:06
And guys, I'm not encouraging everyone to send me mail because I I don't need I
87:11
don't need more mail to be perfectly honest, but I was really touched because
87:16
this is the first time I've ever gotten mail from a from a viewer and it's the
87:20
Christmas season and all that. So, okay, Twinky on live Twinkie unboxing. So,
87:24
let's see what Hostess has to say for themselves about the Twinkie. The
87:28
product is enlarged to show detail of
87:31
the texture. There are 10 individually wrapped cakes with a best before date of
87:35
uh December Oh, December 14th. I should have probably eaten it right away. What
87:38
year, though? Oh, I don't know. This year. That's okay. I'm going to eat it
87:42
anyway. Don't worry about it. It's probably fine. Golden sponge cake with
87:45
creamy filling. Follow us on Facebook. Don't miss out on all the great new
87:49
recipes, sweet exclusive offers. The ingredients include nutritional facts
87:53
that are Okay, I'm sort of skipping through here. So, here we go. When we
87:57
open up the box, we discover that inside there are 10 golden
88:03
treats. One for you. Oh god. And one for
88:07
me.
88:11
I have to say part of the reason I've never had a Twinkie is it's never really
88:14
held much appeal for me. All I remember growing up as a kid is
88:19
the only thing that lives through a nuclear holocaust is cockroaches and
88:22
Twinkies. I was always just like, uh,
88:25
okay. Yeah, I always sort of took that approach to it, too. So, here we go.
88:30
We're having our first Twinkie experience. And there's, of course, nothing erotic about
88:40
it. It's a little dry.
88:45
A little cold. It's cold. Okay.
88:51
It tastes good, but it also tastes like
88:54
just fat. Yeah, it's like a bread with like, you
88:59
know, fake whipped cream in it. If I had real whipped
89:03
cream. I'm going to finish it though, just for Ryan's sake.
89:12
So, thank you, Ryan. I got a chance to eat a
89:18
Twinkie before they were gone forever.
89:21
And just for that, we are going to take
89:25
one of these Twinkies or the box and we are putting it on the wall of legend
89:30
because this is the first viewer mail
89:33
that we have ever received. It was very thoughtful and uh thank you very much.
89:37
Merry Christmas as well.
89:41
Yeah, I guess this is the last stream before Christmas. Sure is.
89:47
Okay, speaking of Christmas spirit and giving all that, let's go back to our
89:50
Twitter thing. Okay. Oh, wow. Yeah, it's
89:54
it's I'm actually pleasantly surprised, which is it's unfortunate that it's kind
89:57
of growing on me as I go.
90:02
Soon it will definitely not be a Twinkie up on the wall. It's going to be the empty box after Lionus eats the whole
90:06
thing. Jeez, man. You're giving me away. Okay, so go back up to the
90:13
top. 122 new interactions. Here we
90:16
go. Info on treating Alzheimer's. Very knowledgeable men. Okay, I'm not I'm not
90:20
a doctor. I'm not trying to treat it. It's just helpful. Okay, Jose, great suggestion.
90:28
Um, but we'll leave it up to the community at large to decide. I mean,
90:32
Slick and I might have some influence like some months we might just say,
90:35
"Look, we're doing this, you know, get on board." Whereas
90:39
most of the time, I'd really like the communicate to the uh the community to
90:42
decide. I think a large part of the whole point is to have it all
90:45
communitydriven and a lot of interaction from the fans and whatnot. Ps points out
90:50
points out that the cockroach thing is a myth, which sort of assumed, but yeah, I
90:54
take that Twinkie hard. What about the upcoming gaming bundle? Uh, no, no, I
90:59
didn't say I'll talk about it before the end of the stream. I said it's coming later. No, no, that's later.
91:04
Later. Um, best show ever. Linus Twinkie
91:09
tips. Throw away the Twinkie drivers. Download the latest from hostess.com.
91:13
Yeah, as if Twinkies last forever. What form software are you going to use?
91:16
We're going to use Vulletin. And moderators will be selected will be
91:20
handpicked by me and Slick based on how
91:23
helpful people are, how positive they are, as um how regularly they're
91:27
contributing to the community. And uh yeah, we're not taking applications. We
91:32
are going to look for the people that are really proactive about helping
91:36
people. Higher memory on video cards. Yes, it matters, but it doesn't help at
91:40
all for higher refresh rates or higher resolutions. You need more memory for
91:44
higher resolutions. Yeah. And like multimonitors and stuff. I will download
91:49
an auto script. Excellent. I don't know if we're allowed saying
91:53
that for liking videos. Yeah, we can say
91:56
there's a script. I don't know. We're not providing it to them, but you're encouraging. I don't know. Whatever.
92:03
Um, Lionus Twinkie tips just changed my fan speed. I think donating money for
92:06
likes and shares on your videos is a brilliant idea. Okay. Yeah. See, that's
92:10
that's the attitude. Helping people for the click of a mouse. You guys should
92:14
have to do nothing. Ultimately, yes, I will obtain more advertising revenue and
92:18
then a portion of that gets to go to help people. So, I think we all kind of
92:22
win. Yeah, I think it's actually pretty awesome. Um, money idea seems good. just
92:26
feels like a lot of people have already done it. That's okay. We're going to do it regularly and I don't think I
92:30
actually know of no one who does based on likes and does it consistently every
92:35
month or quarter. The idea is we'll be doing it all the time. So, it's supposed
92:39
to be like a fairly big part of the more the forum I think. Yeah. And big part of
92:44
the community driven aspect instead of like this random thing. Thoughts on
92:49
Gangdom Style reaching 1 billion views? Incredible. That's just outstanding.
92:53
Within like six months, it's the most viewed video on YouTube ever. That's insane. I don't even know. That's so
92:58
much time spent watching a video. I mean, I would have thought something like Charlie bit my finger was like kind
93:03
of untouchable just cuz it's like so legendary. It's like the first
93:06
ultraviral video on YouTube, but I was wrong. I've only watched it
93:13
once. The first donation should go for some razors for Slick. Very good. Honey
93:17
Light's been good. Okay. Have you tried the program Flux? Yeah, Flux is awesome.
93:22
Uh, I haven't tried it, but I've heard it's like outstanding. Awesome. Unless
93:25
you're someone who's good at like edit photos or video, but best red switch
93:29
keyboard. That's like asking us like which semi-truck has the best mileage.
93:34
It's like you could answer the question, but Oh, well, no, that's valid. Hold on.
93:37
It's like asking us which motorcycle has the greatest towing capacity.
93:43
It's like, yeah, neither Slick nor I are really cherry MX red. Yeah, that's I was
93:47
just going to preface that neither of us are fans of red. Um I I I actually don't
93:52
know anyone who is, but like you're Why are you going to be like that? I'm sure
93:56
there are people that are fans of them and I would probably ask them. Um yeah,
93:59
I'm more of a brown black guy
94:02
and I'm more of a blue. Although based on, you know, my choice of wife, you'd think I'd like Cherry MX yellow.
94:09
Okay, moving along. ITX versus MATX versus ATX. Size
94:14
versus expansion. Uh you know what? That's not a bad one for maybe next
94:18
week. That's a topic in Yeah, that's like a whole topic. Yeah. Live stream on
94:23
Twitch TV. Oh, now what? Oh, okay. He's just tweeting that he's Oh, thank you.
94:28
He's calling us out or calling out that he does stuff that involves watching us.
94:32
Think this is super creative way to not gravel for likes. Yes, cuz gravels are
94:35
stupid. I have no idea what the scripts do or don't do. I can't encourage you to
94:39
use them apparently and I've never used them myself, so sorry. Oh, well, there
94:44
there you go. I didn't give you this.
94:48
Um, add a donation button. You know what? I'm actually not going to add a
94:53
donation button. Um, I think that that gets very complicated. I would like for
94:58
you guys to find ways to donate that are
95:03
just liking the videos and like honestly if you guys want to donate, we don't
95:07
want it to be through us. Yeah. You can donate to whatever. We want to have our
95:11
own pool of money and like the accounting gets very complicated I
95:15
think. Yeah. Yeah. And like if you guys want to set up like I've heard of donation teams like there's a there's an
95:20
OCN group like if you guys want to make your own little thing on the form like
95:23
that's awesome like that's cool but just run it like we we don't want to have the
95:27
accounting stuff on our end and we don't want to have the liability on our so
95:31
encourage other people to like our videos and you'll be
95:34
inherently donating to us and it won't even cost you anything which is great.
95:38
Yeah. Um, and we I mean we may take donations for the forum in the form of
95:43
like a paid account that gives you a special avatar or something, but for
95:46
that we'd be looking at sort of how much we need to keep the forum running, not
95:51
as a profit center and not as a charity thing like just that would be more like
95:55
donating to the forum. Yeah, that wouldn't be to the charity at all. Yeah.
95:59
Okay. THQ gone and bought by Ubisoft.
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Have you heard about this? Yes. I didn't know it was Ubisoft, but I knew they
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filed for bankruptcy and I knew there's a very highprofile name that was buying
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them. I'm sorry to hear that. Yeah, like the
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donations idea. Cool. Yes, please do
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spam the likes. Thank you, Brian. I mean, if everyone who's watching this
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live stream right now, which is 2,200 of
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you, if every one of you guys just take two seconds and like every video, that
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will make a huge difference for me personally. Like, it re it actually
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does. It shouldn't. And I kind of hate it. Like, I really do. Like I think
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about this guys, I've gone five years without soliciting likes. I hate it. I
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think it's stupid. It's actually a big deal. Ever since I joined on, he's
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commented about how he doesn't like asking for likes. So this Yeah. Yeah.
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Enjoying the stream. Lionus will be using VBulletin downloading an auto like
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plugin as we speak. Thanks, bro. The idea is great. And sooner you guys
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start, the sooner we'll support you in every way. Cool. And we'll get it going as soon as we like get our stuff
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together. We've got CES coming up. We both got family stuff for Christmas.
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So, yeah, good suggestion. Okay,
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community involvement is always great. So, it sounds like you guys are totally
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supportive. Oh, going home. And this Alex, great point. I think it's a good
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idea, but I don't know how many people will hear about it, but I like the idea.
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Alex, I'm putting you personally in charge of being every single person
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watching. You guys are all personally responsible for helping us with this.
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Like I said, I want the top comment on every video to be about this program,
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about how liking Linus Tech Tips videos is going to help support this cause with
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some kind of, you know, a link to the forum thread where we're discussing the
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one for this month. Like, I want you guys to get involved in a way that
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doesn't cost anything, but really helps us helps out everybody. So, that means
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if one person comments about it, you guys all need to glom on and like that
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comment, help boost it up to the top, help get this ball going so that I don't
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have to plead for likes. I'm pleading with you now once and other than
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announcing the program on a video on YouTube, which I'll probably do, this
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will be the one time I'm going to do it. I want you guys to spearhead
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this. Okay. Uh Okay. I think that's pretty
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much it for this week. Yeah.
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Thank you for for joining us even though I know you're like super sick. I'm going
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to go home and go to sleep. Yeah, that's sort of Do you want another Twinkie? No.
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All right, guys. Thank you for watching and yeah, I super thank you for watching
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because I think this is one of our highest uh viewer numbers that we've ever had on the live show. So, yeah,
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thank you so much, guys, for tuning in and good night. Merry Christmas. Merry
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Christmas every and happy Hanukkah and just everything generally sort of, you
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know, happy winter solstice
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time. I have to turn this off somehow. It's way over there. It's hard to see.
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See if I can do it from here.
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Wait for it. Wait for it.