AMD Responds about Weak 1080p Gaming Performance - WAN Show March 3, 2017
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·Linus Tech Tips
·2017-05-06
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yeah we're back welcome to the WAN Show guys we are gonna have a great show for
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you guys this week actually this week was like drama central very much so yeah
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like Oh like everybody yeah there's like
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Okay okay so top topics this is amazing california High School makes $24 million
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off the Snapchat IPO
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like what what ridiculous like h how is that even
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apparently they invested I guess no we're not talking about this right now
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moving on um yeah so Uber plans to turn
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its app into a content marketplace
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during rides totally needed that and any
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other opinion is just invalid AMD responds to weak 1080p gaming results on
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Ryzen and Intel responds to strong
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gaming results at other resolutions on Ryzen by slashing the pricing of their
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Core i7 and Core i5 processors by a lot
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it just got real kids let's roll the intro
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hopefully this is reflected in used processors
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you know someone complained about the fact that we talked
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over the music in the intro and said it was like really unprofessional and we
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should stop doing that i always liked that in show who cares in any show where
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they like talked over it I was like "Hey cool."
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Not even that i don't even think it's cool i just think it's completely
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irrelevant right who cares
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yeah we're talking we're we're we're here i mean they're like "Yeah they
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forget to turn off the We didn't forget to turn it off we specifically turn it
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on." No I I turn it on
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like okay before we had a USB audio interface I would specifically have the
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HDMI in because we were using camera audio in and I would specifically have
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that HDMI source sitting under the intro
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so that if we're chatting behind it you guys can hear You definitely hear it
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yeah i mean coming at you live that's right coming at you live not
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pre-recorded or is it oh damn
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would it really matter
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okay so let's get into this one first of all the original article here is from
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CBC.ca i got it the Oh I'm sorry we've both got
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it you know what everybody's got it look at this everybody's got it no we both
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got it look at that look at how we can both share our screens now a California
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high school makes $24 million in the Snapchat IPO now hold
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on can I Can I jump in with a question first yeah 100% why are schools allowed
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to invest money i can answer that okay good this is a private school
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i see this is a private Catholic high school in California Silicon Valley they
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agreed to invest $15,000 in seed money into Snapchat in 2012 that happened
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because one of the students parents is a VC venture capitalist so was like able
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to push this through they bought that $15,000 worth of shares which totals
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600,000
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shares they sold 1.4 Oh oh no they they
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Okay they had 2 million shares they sold
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1.4 4 million shares at $17 during
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Snapchat's IPO this week generating about $24 million but they still have
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600,000 shares which is still worth like $17 million
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holy crap investment man investment wow how
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is it that technology companies don't do much but gamble make millions of dollars
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i mean how are how are these companies worth this kind of money snapchat so
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okay so this was the biggest social media IPO since Twitter more than three
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years ago shares closed at 2448 a piece so $2448 a piece which
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means Snapchat is now valued at 28
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billion now just
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to 28 billion it's an astronomical
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amount their net loss is still higher
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than their
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revenue how do we assign value to these
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companies it just keeps happening investors don't have a clear picture of
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how the company plans to become profitable i mean to me how how how do
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you even figure that out like we are this far in the hole to be
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like a 75% gain over loss company at 28
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billion what do we need to do it's like
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where are we going to pull $28 billion
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out of our rectums oh man and I bet you
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someone could Snapchat you and show you how oh I wouldn't want to see that
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snap i mean I'm like I'm down but no I'm
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not down
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and he's gone you know I had to go after you when
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you're going to take a big drink of water like that oh my god I almost lost
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it okay i mean all all I all I had to do to make you spit it all over the screen
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was say "Send that snap Luke take a deep
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breath." Terrible um oh jeez so user
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growth slowed in the fourth quarter um
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and there's skepticism as to how big the company's
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advertising business i mean I mean the whole the whole model of like a lot of
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users look at our junk okay that came across wrong um a lot a Okay it's
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Snapchat so okay okay so a lot of users
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look at our junk online um therefore you should put ads on our
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junk and users would see those ads this
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is working really well um and users will see those ads and they will maybe buy
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your product or sign up for your service i mean we're going to get to the point
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where the valuation and expected revenue
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of the companies who entire whose entire
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business model is like other companies
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selling stuff through them the value of these companies is going to be bigger
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than the ones who are actually producing
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products or making services you're
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making fun of our own company right i'm not making fun
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look okay yes we But we're Okay we don't expect
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that our market cap is higher than Intel's though that's the difference
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yeah that's fair yeah yeah we are not evaluated at 28 billion and here's the
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thing too i think if we're looking at a company like Snapchat going like "Yes
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there's huge advertising potential here." like that advertising money has
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to come from somewhere and I think there's still a lot of room for
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traditional media to bleed um I mean TV
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advertising really doesn't make a ton of sense to me i mean you can look at big
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shows like big shows like Adventure Time
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or you know the Big Bang Theory Game of
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Thrones game of Thrones well Game of Thrones is a bad example it's HBO so so
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I'm talking ad supported shows okay you
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look at these big shows and you kind of go "Okay so they had like like okay what
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are South Park's ratings over the last year?" South Park ratings you know maybe
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they had 5 million or 10 million people
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who tuned who tuned into the premiere let's have a Let's have a look south
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Park uh no no where's the uh where's the episodes come on come on come on come on
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come on come on come on come on episodes
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here we go list of episodes there we go okay so show Lake South Park recent
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season wow you got to scroll through a lot of seasons for this particular
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show okay here here we go we got uh an
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estimated 1.3 to 2 million and change US viewers
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of a season premiere and I look at the
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prices that that is not thought it would
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be for well it's fallen a lot you look at the prices that you pay for cable
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advertising and we look at sort of the rates that we're allowed to charge that
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that we can get sponsors to pay for inclusion in our videos and I'm sitting
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here going like our video could actually
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get more viewership on the ad especially
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given that like
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No not really given anything u I mean I'm I'm I'm saying given that it's
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shorter so given that people don't won't really tune in and out of it in the same
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way but people do skip around in YouTube videos so I took it back before I said
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it but then I said it but then I explained why I took it back before I said it absolutely fair then I explained
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the whole thing so my but my point is that there's still room for companies to
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clue in that just that that standard
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quarterly spend you'd be surprised
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i No no i'm What I mean is that there's still there is No I'm agreeing with them
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saying to them you'd be surprised there's still a lot of room for them to
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clue in that a viewer on YouTube is also
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a viewer the same way as a viewer on Comedy Central or NBC or whatever the
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case may be um but with that said I do
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think that it is hard for someone like
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Snapchat i think that Facebook has actually set kind of an unrealistic bar
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for other online advertising platforms both Facebook and Google um where
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everyone looked at the Facebook IPO with a lot of skepticism figured they were
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overvalued ha they've gone up in value because they've been really smart about
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it and Facebook because it knows so much
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about you advertises to you so well
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snapchat i'm not convinced that the way people use Snapchat and the demographic
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that uses Snapchat is going to be as
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easily influenced by an online ad as the
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demographic that uses Facebook and the
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user habits of a of a typical Facebook user would you agree with that yes i
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mean if I it's like it's like putting advertising in WhatsApp even Facebook
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hasn't bothered to try to do that because I'm here to communicate with
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people you put an ad in it I will go use a different messaging app and there will
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like always be another one and there will all there will always be another
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one because there will it's like a gold rush right yeah so there will always be
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a bunch of teams of developers with these incredible resumes of all the
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billion dollar companies that they came from cashed out and decided to start
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their own to turn their billions into billions cubed or whatever whatever
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whatever target it is however many more Teslas they need or Priuses i mean it's
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San Fran so that's basically the only two options
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um one one interesting tidbit before we
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continue um a lot of people in the chat thought we missed the outro and uh the
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word I think the word restart has been like banned now thank you Ghost because
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everyone was just spamming or the intro sorry they're just spamming the crap out
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of it i think it's just cuz we were mostly on time
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so So people like didn't see it oh yeah we started like 15 minutes ago so
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there's that so we definitely did the intro the intro
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has definitely been completed there is no restarting that's going to happen and
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I believe there was audio too and if you start spamming restarting chat like a
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whole bunch of you just did it's just going to bing um because the the LTT
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chatbot is merciless okay so here's my
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final point on the Snapchat IPO i think that Facebook set unrealistic
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expectations for for a social media
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platform going public and then when
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everyone was skeptical they went ahead and they exceeded even the most bullish
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expectations and so now I think it has
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set the stage for these other companies to be to be valued in in a in a
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different way like people are invested in Facebook for the long term now
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instead of just like you know jumping on the bandwagon making a quick buck and
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getting TFO uh I don't know that Snapchat will enjoy that kind of
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long-term success because if they ever
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want to actually be profitable they do have to figure out how to compete with
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someone like Facebook and Google and I'm I'm really not that convinced yeah like
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ever uh speaking of things that I'm not convinced about let's pull up this
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article from TechCrunch that
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um really doesn't make a ton of sense to me but maybe uh did you post it in chat
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already nope that's fine well no it's fine i can Well you can do it someone
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can do it someone will do it here we can watch Luke do it now
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we're watching you do it on the internet
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my girlfriend would be pretty pissed off and terrible terrible i I love how
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you're like my girlfriend would be pissed off
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you just have no problem with it right do I interpret this correctly you're my
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boss man wait so that makes it better or worse
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i'm just doing my job
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we have all kinds of jobs around here dirty jobs done dirt cheap even um okay
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so Uber plans to turn its app into a
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content marketplace and then they they they
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actually kind of had my attention until
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the last part of the headline where it
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goes during rides so a series of thirdparty apps
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would provide you with information about the area you are going to work in
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productivity integrations communications with the place you are going to
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specifically or just standard entertainment because people can't
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multitask and go to Google I guess and they want to charge
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you for that i think
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um the marketplace will be based on a new version of trip experiences a
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smaller feature first launched a year ago with a select group of partners okay
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so I see I see some I see some potential
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here so if it's free if the idea is that
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the the you get in your Uber or like
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Okay so I don't if it's free sure yeah i don't look at the Uber app again after I
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call the Uber i do sometimes you do okay
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make sure the driver's staying on course or Okay okay i've I've gotten screwed
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before and Uber is really good about like if you can prove that you got
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screwed on your driving path they'll give you money back cool okay so if the
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idea then is here's a cool restaurant
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and they expect the restaurant to give them a cut of whatever it is or here's a
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tourist destination or here's a tour that you can take or whatever the case
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may be then I kind of get it if they're going to try and like sell me a movie to
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watch then I think that's going to be uh
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that's going to be less less successful
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um yeah okay i I guess that's pretty
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much all I have to say about that some of this stuff sounds really
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stupid like they're pushing contextual engagement that might for example enable
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a Snapchat user to unlock special stickers or
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filters okay this next one's kind of cool though it could showcase Instagram
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pictures of the destination you're headed to yeah but you could search on
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Instagram you could but having it all in one place is like an automatic people
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don't like to actually do that it's going to be like the airport like
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like it's Uber you're not traveling across the country yeah that's true i
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mean maybe part of this is that the way that people like you and me use Uber
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might be a little different than the way that some people use Uber because my
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understanding and guys correct me if I'm wrong ask people
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how they use i'm looking at looking at Twitch chat because I I don't know how I
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would come up with all these options so I'm looking at Twitch chat for a change
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but the way that I use Uber as someone who owns a car is I use it when I'm
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traveling and I use it to get from a hotel if you if you don't own a car and
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you're using it to commute or something like that then you're less interested in
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your destination right
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we are like the most interested in our destination use case that there is and
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even then like you would have looked at pictures of it before you Hold on the
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answers are rolling in i use I use Uber for sex lift is better
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um don't use Uber just do not use it
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please uh all of us are poor we use Shoe
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Bar schuber i think that's a joke i use Uber to buy to buy narcotics i use Uber
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when I'm drunk yeah there's a lot of I use Uber when I'm drunk um
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so what they're trying to do is have
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inapp purchases so people intoxicated
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can spend more money you know what uber's on the right path here um they
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know they totally know what's going on i clearly I I have a much clearer
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understanding of what they're what they're trying to do this is what more social media companies need to do in
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order to make money snapchat pro tip if your user is drunk allow them to buy
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things facebook i mean Facebook has some
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wicked crazy facial recognition facebook
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if you guys don't already get working on
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drunk recognition because as soon as your user uploads a selfie where they're
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just wasted AF sell them something you can you can
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pay like a lot of money to send a priority message to someone that you
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used to be in a relationship status with
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wow wow you just blew my mind it sends
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It sends a Facebook message and a text message and it starts a call all at the
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same time yeah oh wow i love it get back together
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it should cost $69
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wait $6.90 yeah yeah oh I love it okay
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um the Twitch chat wow actually that's a
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pretty good idea
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hey that happens on the WAN Show once in a while okay group 10% remember yeah
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that's right okay AMD responds this was
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originally posted by 3D OSH on the forum
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the original article here is from PC Purr yeah and AMD responds to 1080 G
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1080p gaming tests on Ryzen ryan
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Shrout's my bud so I'm just going to read his article to you guys word for
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word we linked to it and hopefully he won't get too mad at me because it's this it's basically plagiarism if I read
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his article is it not but you're quoting it but I'm not giving
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him ad impressions by actually sending people to his site okay so tell you what
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everybody but I've had people who host sites that we've given shoutouts like
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contact me directly and be like "Hey thanks." Really because it's given would
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never thank me for anything no no i hate that guy anyway
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so PC perk great site go visit it whatever luke posted in the chat anyway
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the point is um by far one of the most
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interesting and concerning points about today's launch of the AMD Ryzen
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processor is gaming results many other reviewers have seen similar results to
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what Shrout published in his article gaming at 1080p even at ultra image
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quality settings in many tops games shows a deficit in performance compared
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to KBLE and Broadwell e processors so
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Shroud says he shared his testing with AMD over a week ago must have been nice
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for him to actually have processors a week before his article was supposed to
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go up what a jackass i hate that guy um and to be clear our testing was done etc
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etc etc etc so you know there you go there's I think part of that problem is
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us being Canadian talking to other Yeah it's part of it
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it's not all of it okay so yeah we there
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was a Okay okay so this will be an aside
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so agency goes "Yeah yeah it's shipped
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there's like been a We don't have a tracking number though which by the way
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is nonsense unless you're shipping something by donkey like even if you
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ship by USPS to Canada United States Postal Service which is about as slow as
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it gets i mean you can't ship by boat from US to Canada okay it's one land
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mass yeah so yeah there there there literally isn't a way to ship that
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doesn't have a tracking number other than putting a stamp on it okay okay
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there is but it's the point is they didn't um so they're like "Yeah there's
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no tracking number but but it shipped on Wednesday they hold they they keep that
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story we get in touch with AMD directly they give us a tracking number because
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of course there's a tracking number it didn't leave till
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Friday so that is why we didn't get our eight00X in time also we're still trying
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to find out where our 1700 and 1700X are
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agency claims Oh no there's no tracking number for those shipments but they've
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been shipped but there were storms meanwhile it's a little rainy outside
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but that's pretty normal not a Yeah in the Pacific Northwest so that's a thing
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we're We're pretty used to moving things in the rain anyway no problem AMD's
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response to the underwhelming 1080p performance is that uh they are
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supporting 300 plus developer kits with
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game development studios to optimize current and future game releases for the
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allnew Ryzen CPU and they do have a point here it is sort of new and
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different uh they announced a strategic relationship with Bethesda and um CPU
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benchmarking deficits to the competition in certain games at 1080p resolution can
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be attributed to the development and optimization of games uniquely to Intel
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platforms and again in the defense of
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game developers who did all of their development on Intel platforms makes
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sense AMD didn't have a CPU worth of rats patoot in the last 5 years and most
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gamers were gaming on Intel so I totally get why that happened um
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what if you could attribute a cost to a rat's patute it was like a lab rat yeah
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i mean they have a they have a cost um
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and like if you're testing that like does it have a value
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all I know is that I wouldn't pay much for like a wheelbarrow full of
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them like one might have a cost but I don't think anyone wants like a
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truckload so it doesn't scale very well that's
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fair that's fair where am I going to put these
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like if a rat's patoot is worth 25 cents like like what so you can take you want
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to store them a few thousand of them and buy like Breath of the Wild nintendo's
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going to be like get this out of here it's like yes yes we have like a a
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collecting random bull crap that you found on the ground system it's an open
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world game like we didn't realize anyone was actually out there doing this this
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stuff's not actually worth anything it's supposed to just be a video game
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but no we do not want Borehides i think that game is going to like
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single-handedly sell the Switch although I don't know it works for Wii U um it's
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like the one of the fourth or fifth or it's in the top 10 of highest rated
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games all time on Metacritic right now pretty ridiculous um so basically you
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know what i don't have a ton to say about this other than that
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um you know AMD's got a point uh with
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that said I think that some of the complaints are a little bit if you're
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buying a like top tier GPU and a top tier CPU and then playing at
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1080p it's a little weird so there are
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situations where I get it if you bought a
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PG2 whatever it was the the 240 Hz okay
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so if you bought a 240 Hz 1080p gaming display then Ryzen is not going to
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deliver the best possible experience but were you expecting it to i mean we
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already knew that Ryzen Why i think most
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people were oh well they were they were wrong and dumb um because we already
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knew i'm just saying like I I think genuinely most people were okay well
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most pe some pe I already knew I already
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knew that even the most optimistic estimates of Ryzen's performance had it
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at similar IPC to Broadwell and I
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already knew based on the most optimistic estimates of Ryzen's final
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clock speed that it wasn't going to be clocked higher than a 7700 K so I
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already knew that it wasn't going to perform as well
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in single threaded applications what if you want to have uh only a processor and
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stream Dota 2 only a processor i've still been really
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confused by that okay so I get it a bit more now um so uh Anthony did some
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testing as part of our Ryzen launch coverage where he did take a look so you
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know depending on who you talk to at Intel you'll find people who talk about
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how great quicksync video encoding is and it and
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NVNC are very good the problem is that
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where they don't shine is in the low bit
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rate encoding scenario that is needed
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for streaming to Twitch that's the problem so in order to get the best out
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of your 3500 kilobits per second which is really
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all that Twitch will process anyway you can set it higher if you want but
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basically you're just wasting CPU and due to actually you can hurt it because
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due to fluctuations if you start sending above four so if you set to like 3.8 and
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then it fluctuates to above four you'll just miss stuff and it's bad so so but
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at that kind of bit rate for
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108060p which is like kind of a lot of pixels per second um you have to have
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the best possible source image you don't even really want to do 1080 60p just an
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additional note if you want to do Oh I think it's like 60 FPS 720 is usually
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what people Okay so anyway the point still stands you're very bit rate
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constrained and the more blockiness and crappiness in your original image the
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more it's going to be compounded by trying to stream it at a low bit rate
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out to your viewers he meant 1080 60 FPS
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it's fine 1080 60p is a perfectly valid way to say that by the way he's just
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there's just a bunch of people in the Yeah there's a bunch of people who don't
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know anyway so if you wanted to stream at
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108060p then basically what that would mean is that you would you would be you
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would be making a a slightly worse image
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even much more slightly worse um so that's why AMD is defending their use of
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x.264 encoding even on systems that obviously have powerful dedicated GPUs
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like a an RX 480 that is the correct way
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to do it yeah now with that said in our testing we didn't observe the same like
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20% dropped frames that AMD had in their
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demos but I don't really understand that because I personally checked the AMD
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demos i opened up I I minimized the game i opened up OBS i made sure they were at
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the same settings so I think one thing that was noticed at the event was that
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the X99 boards were in dual channel memory they only had two sticks of RAM
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no they weren't okay I checked i heard this i don't know um in fact Intel
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specifically or Intel AMD specifically even put 32 gigs of RAM in the Intel
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systems so that they were using um four
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8 gig sticks and then they had two 8 gig sticks in their own systems so they
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actually had less overall memory interesting you know okay hold on a
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second though yeah I didn't double check that the four sticks were in the right
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slots now that I think about it but I heard specifically two sticks so they
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must have just mixed up the systems or something i think that's quite possible
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because I did look at the Cinebench system myself and there was at least one
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other one that like just you know
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I'm um and they definitely had four sticks in them and they and they was
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right on the spec sheet they had more RAM in them so yeah
29:43
um there's another really cool thing that came out of the AMA on the AMD
29:48
subreddit though this is really cool um
29:52
blah blah blah why is there a huge discrepancy in gaming benchmarks okay
29:56
blah blah etc oh yes this is really cool so I actually asked this at the event
30:02
but I didn't get an answer and um Dr sue
30:06
did answer it in the AMA does do Ryzen
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CPUs support ECC memory and the answer is yes
30:13
that's cool so they're low power and
30:18
they support ECC memory for so
30:22
long Intel has held ECC kind of dangled
30:26
it in front of us and gone "Oh you want this you want this you want this buy a
30:30
Zeon woo buy a Zeon baby." Um I am so
30:35
happy to see consumer grade CPUs with ECC memory support i don't know that I
30:40
would run out and build a frenaz machine with you know a Ryzen 3 immediately
30:45
after launch i think I want to give this platform some more time to prove itself
30:49
yeah but this is going to be an absolute
30:52
godsend to people who want to use ZFS on the cheap in their home .naz
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because ZFS really does want ECC memory
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for the best operation and to reduce risk of data corruption
31:09
and right now that means you've got to go out and buy a Zeon and unfortunately
31:13
there's really not much in the way of cheap Zeon because either you're buying
31:17
a full-on motherboard and Intel Xeon lineup really doesn't get like it's
31:21
there's not like a you know a Celeron Zeon equivalent or you're buying like an
31:27
embedded system that has a Zeon soldered on the board and those because they're
31:31
Zeon are just not that cheap so this could be really cool cheapo ITX board
31:36
with an HBA on it and a Ryzen CPU and
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some ECC memory that could be a fantastic solution so I'm I'm pretty
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got uh Can I Can I steal yours for a minute so I can hold it up that sounds
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risky no no it should be fine actually here you know what oh wow we're going to
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put EP We're going to put EP Epan on the spot oh dang okay so uh you've just got
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ahead oh wow epam uh AV.io video
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grabbers are quoted as the simplest way to share video and honestly in the
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experience that we've had with them that sounds fairly legitimate my screen just
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went black because of that but that makes sense that's not Epipan's fault
34:34
that's just like this whole thing works so here it is it's a tiny little thing
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like this HDMI in USB 3 in this is their
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AVIO 4K they've got a bunch of different models um I like the uh do not remove
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sticker yeah I I removed it from the bench den this is This is the Bench Den
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one bench do not remove i took it but but I took it for you yeah I know i
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appreciate yeah I took it for you um and basically they are as plugandplay as a
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video capture device could possibly be no driver installed you just go bloop
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you plug in HDMI you open up whatever capture software it is that you want to
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use and it automatically detects the resolution frame rate anything else you
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could want and check this out live demo oh dang live demos are scary oh man this
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is exciting they're scary man they're good for sharing video in general you
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can do any computer with a USB port is pretty much how they quote that live
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like unplug stuff and plug it back in while we're going that's right that's
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right um and finally Ant Lion Audio is
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sponsoring the WAN Show now this raises a lot of questions question number one
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why would Ant Lion want to sponsor you guys when every time you feature their
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product for some reason it sounds worse than when other people feature their
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product so we're super incompetent
36:14
apparently um actually I know what happened last time so last time what
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happened was we were using the Mod Mic 5
36:21
on like a Sennheiser wireless mic pack
36:25
instead of just like recording into What was the last time that was That was the
36:29
pre-roll that I just did
36:33
so we were we were using it with sort of a nonvalidated use case and Pella said
36:39
it was fine and it wasn't fine and we
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should have just recorded it into a computer because the funny thing about that is that really wouldn't have been
36:47
that hard no we could have just plugged it into a computer and put it on the table and recorded it and synced it up
36:52
after the fact like that would have been fine but anyway uh so the Mod Mic 5 is a
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great way to add a decent sounding mic to your existing pair of headphones
37:04
something that is actually kind of difficult to do either you have to put something on your desk which can get in
37:08
your way or a lot of people use like an inline one that's on a cord but often
37:13
those don't work very well especially when you move around so the Mod Mic
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works just like a normal boom mic except it just clips it there's a little
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sticker that goes on the side of your existing probably audio file grade
37:23
headphones that's what a lot of people use them for and then there's a cool
37:26
little magnetic thing that allows you to flip it up or put it down or even just
37:30
take it off or even just take it off outright one way that Okay so the way
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that I use mine right now is I'm very rarely on like voice calls when I'm at
37:40
my computer desk at work so it's just disconnected but sitting on my desk
37:44
plugged into an extension cable to my computer so if I ever do need to use it
37:48
I just clip it back on because I don't even I don't even need to just flip it
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up because I might not use it for a couple days at a time it's got a dual mic capsule for recording flexibility a
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cool all right more topics wow every
38:29
topic we've done has actually been like pretty deep so um if you feel like this
38:34
is the best W show of your life you can tweet at
38:39
James_Gravity who pledges to 100% reply
38:43
to every single tweet wow okay please
38:48
his whole his whole life is full of regret starting now someone should
38:54
Okay uh we're not encouraging people to use a should not
39:00
someone should not definitely make a bot
39:03
no no no i knew you were gonna Don't do that i said not someone should not Don't
39:08
do that make a bot don't do that james is a good person we hope that would pull
39:13
from like an Intel mesh set don't do
39:18
that Intel responds machine learning
39:21
Intel responds they're all unique to Ryzen said he'd have no idea by cutting
39:26
prices on Core i5 and Core i7 processors
39:31
wait a minute how old is this article february 26th no wait did that ever even
39:36
happen is this from MicroEnter i think this is just Oh wait
39:41
on Amazon hold on okay hold on hold on just
39:45
a just a gosh darn minute here okay so far at Microenter yeah yeah that might
39:48
just be MicroEnter doing things hold on hold on hold on
39:53
i'm doing real time investigative
39:56
journalism where I see if prices have been dropped they have not this is the
40:01
price of a 7700 K ignore that and I will
40:05
go yell at James after the W show wow
40:08
you should all tweet him with your totally not
40:12
bots that he didn't do that right uh
40:15
word on the street the original article here is from hotware the NVIDIA GTX 1080
40:21
Ti reportedly in production for a March
40:24
launch reportedly um it's coming out
40:28
next week we know that already wait a minute when is this article from this is
40:33
from the 20th of February james james
40:36
okay okay James you guys you know what
40:40
i'm not going to talk to him you guys talk to him for me okay you guys talk to
40:44
him okay this is actually new mike Pence's email hacked so the original
40:49
article from BBC uh Mike Pence was
40:52
apparently um
40:56
uh you storing like public like government related stuff on
41:01
a private email server why is this so
41:04
common
41:07
and uh yeah so so he used a private he
41:11
used a private email as the Indiana governor to conduct state business now
41:15
with that said we have to also be careful not to not to blow this out of
41:21
proportion because my understanding is that that isn't illegal there now
41:30
um I mean should that be okay no and
41:35
apparently he knew all this while attacking Hillary's email practices
41:39
which is sort of hilarious yes
41:42
apparently many of Pence's email uh
41:45
contacts received emails saying Mr pence and his wife had become stranded in the
41:49
Philippines and urgently needed money so this wasn't like a vigilante like they
41:56
were just trying to make money yeah so
42:00
so that's a thing so um you know
42:03
personally I'm shocked i mean something hypocritical about the Trump
42:07
administration and its and its uh
42:11
members that would never happen no I have no idea what you're talking about don't believe it google's a Google
42:16
Assistant AI now available for all
42:19
modern Android handsets which is which is an interesting way of putting that
42:23
because an Android handset can be pretty darn modern but not have um Android M or
42:29
N yeah so there's that you can try to figure out how to make it actually
42:33
answer in a conversational tone like I do um it's a little difficult sometimes
42:38
takes a few shots yeah it should be and the frustrating part is when it decides
42:41
to end the conversation by just giving you a Google search link and you're like
42:45
well got to start from the beginning again it's a really good really good way
42:49
for that to work voice interaction is like so bad like I it's one of those
42:54
things where like this is a big deal because this was a pixel pixel feature
42:58
that for some reason some people cared about and now it's I thought rolling out
43:03
wider it's going to be super cool i'm very excited for private voice activated
43:09
AI i'm not very excited for cloud
43:12
someone will make it eventually yeah that's way far out but someone will make
43:16
it eventually the the current setups for voice
43:20
activated AI is scary and sketchy and
43:23
once like way down the line someone makes it private I will set that up all
43:29
right so anyway the timing of this is interesting samsung is rumored to be
43:32
launching its Bixby Assistant on the Galaxy S8 which will probably also be
43:36
terrible um and by the time that launches Google Assistant should also be
43:41
available on the Galaxy S8 so it'll be
43:45
uh it'll be uh you know game on between
43:48
the two how do you install assistant just update Google Play Services so
43:53
sounds like you're getting it whether you really want it or not cool nice um
43:59
All right fantastic cbc
44:04
claims that Subway chicken is only 50%
44:08
chicken subway defends its chicken after a CBC
44:12
marketplace report calling the story false and misleading but CBC stands
44:18
behind the DNA test result so they found it was 50% soy wow however food
44:27
scientists have chimed in saying DNA tests aren't their preferred method of
44:30
testing subsequent tests by third parties and Subway itself indicate the
44:35
chicken is less than 1% soy apparently that is present due to added spices and
44:40
marinade so there you go now you know they have lots of soy in their spices
44:46
and marinade ours Technica
44:49
reports and good this was only yesterday good job James how game mode will make
44:54
games run better on Windows plus details
44:58
on strict limitations for UWP apps
45:02
running on the Xbox One so in a nutshell
45:06
game mode will apparently isolate CPU resources to be devoted exclusively to
45:10
that game process um now that's not something that I would expect to affect
45:15
average frame rates much but it's something that I might expect especially
45:18
on systems that are only marginally able to run a game something that I might
45:23
expect to affect like hiccups so you
45:26
know and I mean okay this isn't something that I've experienced since
45:30
like the Athlon XP era maybe maybe at that point okay it's
45:36
not something I've experienced since like the Athlon X2 era but there would
45:40
have been times in the past where getting an instant message and having
45:43
something pop up from your uh from your taskbar or from your system tray would
45:48
have caused a game stutter that was a long time ago but
45:53
theoretically this could help prevent Now people run like video wallpapers and
45:58
stuff that's like really common now wallpaper
46:02
engine it's like a software you can buy on Steam oh remember like a long time
46:07
ago when through VC you could like set a video as your background yeah and uh
46:12
Windows Vista Ultimate had that as a feature too yeah yeah now it's like
46:16
there's a program on Steam called I think it's Wallpaper Engine
46:19
unfortunately most of them are just like weird mostly nude drawn animated girls
46:26
but there's a search bar so I found like a really cool Titanfall helmet when it's
46:31
doing like the blinking thing after the credits and an Assassin's Creed flag cuz
46:35
I haven't changed since I was 18 so here
46:38
we go wow that was a really cool story
46:44
wonderful um the system moves threads
46:47
devoted to other processors off unfortunately you can choose
46:52
whatever you want i won't judge you uh the system gives an even greater
46:56
majority of C of GPU cycles to the active game reducing the time available
47:00
for what is everything else what else is using the GPU like what are you
47:04
rendering crap in Adobe Media Encoder with Mercury Engine like in the
47:08
background i mean if you're doing that you deserve to have a crappy gaming
47:12
experience um all right let's see the Switch launch
47:18
is going really well apparently they're going to be shipping 2 million by the end of the month i don't think that's
47:22
how many are sold because a lot of sites are just not taking purchases like you
47:26
can't even pre you can't even like pre-purchase one when they're available
47:30
almost anywhere because no one knows how much stock they're getting because it's
47:33
Nintendo um but as they've like how can
47:36
such a big company be so disorganized
47:40
yeah as they've already shipped two million units and the Wii U only ever
47:45
shipped so far 13 56 around there wow they're doing
47:50
pretty good compared to the predecessor fascinating
47:53
all right um what else we got here we've
47:57
got some other interesting topics i think we're nearing the end are we we
48:00
could Yeah yeah we actually started mostly on Oh yeah psvr has sold almost a
48:05
million units which is estimated to be nearly twice that of the Rift and the
48:10
Vive combined so many people for so long have been telling me that in my VR
48:15
scripts when I talk about how the cost of everything combined is really
48:18
expensive they're like "No but the computers are pretty cheap now." Like no
48:22
it doesn't matter you're getting into a realm of expense which is just too much
48:28
for so many people it doesn't matter that like it's really good yeah it's
48:32
like it's like car people you know what car people I find are some of the worst
48:36
about this where they'll be like "But a
48:40
BMW drives so much better." And I'll be
48:43
like "Wow who cares?"
48:47
Oh I mean maybe okay maybe BMW is a bad
48:50
example because some of their some of their lower-end stuff is actually somewhat attainable um so what would
48:56
what would I compare it to like we know someone who's relatively young that has
49:01
one yeah yeah that's true okay okay bmw
49:04
is a bad example what how do I Okay see
49:07
as not a car person it's hard for me to even remember the obnoxious car people
49:11
things that Okay okay when when when rear cameras first showed up
49:17
mhm and people would be like "But this
49:20
is so much better." And I'd be like "Right but that's only available that's
49:25
only even available on trim levels that cost double what the base model does
49:30
that's more that's more what I'm going for." Like uh I remember in high school
49:36
uh one of my one of my friends his mom
49:39
had an SUV so remember this is back in like 2003 had an SUV she had a backup
49:45
camera back then that's balling she had GPS so she had GPS that was like built
49:50
in that was built in and she had windshield wipers that detected whether
49:55
there was rain on the windshield or not damn and only went if there was like too
50:00
much rain like back in 03 and he's like
50:03
telling me how great his mom's car is and I'm like cool like it doesn't matter
50:08
how much better it is because I can do this or this and turn my windshield
50:13
wipers on yeah i I don't have you know
50:17
120 130 grand to spend on an SUV i just
50:21
I don't have that hurts me physically it doesn't matter how much better it is um
50:26
so there that's more the point I was trying to make
50:31
uh okay okay so the reason why I don't
50:36
own any cloud connected kids toys so
50:39
this was uh this was actually I saw this on a tweet from uh Troy Hunt here data
50:44
from connected cloud pets teddy bears leaked and ransomed exposing kids voice
50:51
messages that's conversations between the child and others can be recorded and
50:56
forwarded looks like a very cute toy and all that
51:01
but um Oh my god my kids do not own
51:06
anything connected to the internet and they won't until they're
51:10
old enough to understand what it means to have something connected to the
51:15
internet messages were stored in a database that was p that was in a
51:19
publicly facing network segment without any authentication required and had been
51:24
indexed by Showdown wow over
51:29
820,000 users data uh had or over
51:33
820,000 users had data exposed 2.2
51:36
million voice recordings of parents and their children
51:39
um wow
51:43
fantastic okay apparently this is probably the Samsung Galaxy
51:48
S8 i haven't actually looked at this yet apparently it might have a curved screen
51:53
hey and wow no buttons oh wow well
51:57
that's a shame um
52:01
okay hm that is a shame missing the
52:05
physical and capacitive blah blah blah blah blah blah blah the uh Did you know
52:10
that the G6 has a non like it has a a
52:13
wider than usual aspect ratio no does this kind of look like it also does sort
52:17
of does i I really hope that that looks like a WCO photo yeah okay from what I
52:22
can tell I really hope that doesn't turn into a thing i plan to I plan to kind of
52:26
crap on that in my G6 review which will be coming um because we
52:32
finally finally achieved it video
52:36
content and screens being the same shape like we waited so long for this for
52:41
everyone to just kind of get their act together for so first on computers we
52:44
had 4x3 screens then we had 5x4 screens
52:47
for some freaking reason why what anyway
52:51
so we got that then then we got 16 by 10
52:54
okay so we we were getting close i like that i liked 16x10 too because the black
52:58
bars were reasonable but I also see why
53:03
people might prefer to especially as screens got bigger to give up a little
53:08
bit of their relative you know vertical space i would still like it for no black
53:12
bars i would I get it i would still personally like a 16 x10 but I get it
53:17
okay so so so so we got that far then
53:20
the only aspect ratio we really got on monitors and I'm excluding things like
53:24
the Surface Studio or um you know the
53:28
Surface uh Surface Pro like where you
53:31
know like tablets um surfaces all in one yeah basically surfaces okay so other
53:35
than surfaces monitors we stuck with that or recently introduced ultrawide so
53:41
21 by9 which happens to be very similar to theatrical widescreen so there we go
53:47
tvs and it's drastically different tvs
53:50
monitors and then Apple finally did it with the iPhone 6 so TVs monitors and
53:56
mobile devices other than tablets all went 16 by9 and everything was bueno and
54:04
nobody had black bars we We don't need
54:08
to move away from from that 16 by9 is
54:11
fine yes it's fine there's there's no compelling reason that I can think of to
54:15
change it um Sony this is actually really cool
54:20
debuts the world's fastest SD cards up
54:25
to around 300 megabytes wow Anantech has
54:28
those
54:32
now dang it Dr cutras um write speeds of
54:37
299 megabytes per second how sad they
54:40
couldn't get was the engineer one more who couldn't squeeze one more megabyte
54:45
per second out of it poor guy how sad
54:48
was he or she um so there you go up to 128 Gigabyte
54:54
capacities and as long as the reader is
54:57
UHS2 compliant they are able to handle
55:01
almost 300 megabytes per second reads and rights this is getting up to around
55:05
SATA 2 like saturating wait yes
55:09
saturating SATA 2 speeds that is fantastic they're not saying how they're
55:14
getting that in an SD card only saying that it is enabled by
55:19
firmware which is like okay thanks but the cards are also
55:24
waterproof shockproof temperature resistant and X-ray
55:28
proof cool they're announcing a card reader specifically built for them with
55:32
built-in super speed USB 3.1 Gen 1 that
55:35
should leave standard SD slots in the dust we're going to be over time uh oh
55:41
what time is it oh oh wow oh oh oh we
55:45
should uh we should uh we should talk about Flowplane Club hooray hooray do
55:50
the thing do you have anything exciting to share with anybody i'm putting you on
55:53
the spot a little bit i think the the website version has a password reset
55:57
that works now okay that's exciting yeah
56:00
I mean there okay the uh website version that definitely doesn't exist i mean we
56:06
could share that I guess now that we spilled the beans on it no no oh cuz
56:10
they'd see that no no no no not to show it to them no no just that it will that
56:14
there will be one oh yeah okay cuz I actually had some people asking um in
56:19
the Floatplane club like private i haven't I haven't been like announcing
56:23
it but I haven't been hiding it either so we've had people asking will float
56:28
plane club always be and here's what it looks like now so this is Floatplane
56:33
club will it always be a janky sub forum
56:36
on the Linus TechTips website no
56:39
definitely not uh development is very
56:44
actively happening um Luke is working on
56:47
it and X saying in slightly under now
56:52
three months ah okay and possibly
56:56
allegedly we might have also someone else working on it um that person's
57:02
currently on probation but that's like
57:05
that's just like BC law that's not because like we hate hate them that's
57:10
just sort of how that works that's just kind of how it works um but but we this
57:14
is definitely a real development project it is definitely happening and uh the
57:19
way that you sign up is you go to the store on the Linus Tech Tips forum so
57:24
I'll show you guys what that looks like and then you go to Floatplane club
57:29
actually all the other contributor tiers are also have access to Floatplane club
57:33
but for now they don't actually have a ton of benefit beyond that you get a
57:36
fancy badge and access to the the the
57:40
tier exclusive sub forum the only one of which that matters is the bronze one cuz
57:45
we have a counting thread in there and we count by images so the image that you
57:49
post has to have the number in it i contributed a thing there it was really
57:53
funny i forget what it was but I thought it was really funny i think I saw it and
57:56
I think I enjoyed it a lot of them are good it's It seems like people genuinely
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like take time to find one that's sort of cool yeah um we're at like almost I
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think we're at like 850ish or something so basically you sign up in the store
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and you can see uh up here there you go
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there's a Floatplane club link that goes in there and from accounting
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threads in chat oh excellent and then you get access to a week's
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worth of content and there's other stuff that we have planned for it as well so all what we already have working is
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there's a week's worth of releases that are not on YouTube yet and then what we
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also have working is that the bit rates are higher at a given resolution it
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looks better on full length so it looks better and for a lot of people more
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importantly actually sounds better so we don't compress the audio very much at
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all um let's see what So what do we have on here that is not on YouTube yet the
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server room server room update vlog is there um so we we can maybe explain why
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that's not on YouTube yeah so oh yeah a lot of people have asked us like what's
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the deal with sometimes the early access platform having stuff for two or three
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weeks before it hits YouTube and what happens sometimes is when we do a
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simultaneous release in order to not screw up our calendar planning um
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because we won't launch two videos in a day on YouTube that's not going to
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happen it what what happens is it causes
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the first video to like get buried a little bit of cascading yeah um so like
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this week with like Ryzen 1080 Ti
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Nintendo Switch which I believe is coming out tomorrow night uh tomorrow
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like noon noon yeah okay tomorrow like midday yeah um or maybe slightly earlier
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i might stomp on W show and just hit it a little bit earlier but u basically uh
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what happens is that if we do a simultaneous release YouTube already got
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a video that day so that one actually gets pushed down an entire additional
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week because on a normal week we would only do maybe one or maybe two
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simultaneous releases so we can't just like bump it to the next day because
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then it screws up like that one it screws up everything until we can reset
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it the following week so So that's the way that works so anyway what's on there
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now is the server room update vlog part three finale um Luke's not so secret
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obsession Analog NT Mini yes we've got
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Windows 9 the OS Microsoft won't tell
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you about uh we've got one about EVGA's
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new thermal solution for their cards where they've they believe and actually
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looks pretty good um that they've solved card overheating problems once and for
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all uh we've got uh a rundown of every
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AMD Radeon card tested look at that
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thumbnail look at how his mouth is open
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look at how Look at how we blew up the size of all the video cards so that
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they'd be bigger no no so I held them out like that i really did but they
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would only be like this big like look at how like think about how big a video
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card is relative to my hand yeah looks pretty good i think I did it nice um and
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then check this out there's So it's AMD video cards through the ages so there's
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uh a clock and a dinosaur it's really subtle though
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we're We're still working on this whole thing we take time with our clickbait yes that's right so there you go that's
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how it works it's a video player just like you would expect a video player to
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be that's good we've even got cool features like check this out see we have
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thumbnail uh thumbnail preview so you can skip to the part of the video where
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Check this out this is amazing oh god
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card on the left photoshopped in
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what taran did it Photoshop and we
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didn't have one oh my god
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even the shadow is fake so I think he like pulled chunks of this shadow and
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like put it over there and then Good job T yeah it's like just it's I don't even
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know if this is a is a photograph i think this is like a render off of AMD's
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like press kit holy crap yeah um the
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press kit the 2900 XT that's pretty sick
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yeah so anyway um got lots of videos
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over there and we've got lots and lots of plans for this in the future it's
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going to be a pretty freaking unbelievable platform we hope um but
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there's a lot of work to be done and we're not even answering questions about
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when it'll launch um what is really cool is do we want to talk about how we added
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more capacity nope oh okay nope okay we
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didn't just don't even want to nope there's a website coming we're working
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on it a lot there's a website coming we're working on it a lot there's
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there's some serious infrastructure involved in serving the number of people
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that we're serving on Floatplane Club which what I'll say is that it's
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probably more than you think
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that's all I can really say in fact there's I pretty much guarantee it is
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more people than you think and um there's been some challenges but I think
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I demonstrated the responsiveness of the player there's still like that weird
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glitchiness when we change resolutions like it goes back to the thumbnail for a
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second and but then like it's pretty fast um yeah we're we're really excited
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about it team's been working really hard thank you you know who you are yeah do
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you know who you are no existential questions i don't I don't even know who
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you are get Get How did you get in here get Get out of Get out of here thanks
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for watching the WAN Show guys we'll see you again next week same bad time same
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bad channel
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okay