NVIDIA Prototype Found in PAWN SHOP! - WAN Show September 1, 2017
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·Linus Tech Tips
·2018-05-06
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WAN Show Topics
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- Threadripper 1900X
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- Instagram breach
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- Amazon turns thousands of Twitch streamers into product pitchmen
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- SanDisk launches 400GB MicroSD card
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- orbiTouch
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- Sponsor: Synergy
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- Sponsor: Spektrum Glasses
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- Sponsor: iFixit
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- Intel launches Xeon-W CPUs
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- Intel i7-8700K benchmarks leaked
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- Nvidia Shield Portable 2 prototype tuns up in a Canadian pawn shop
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- YouTube begins isolating offensive content
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- Juicero is shutting down
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- Pico Goblin
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i'm doing it i'm doing it we're live
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it's rancho time uh or rather it was
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when show time um a little while ago but we ran into an
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issue can can i can i get that that tangle of fans actually alex do you mind
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yeah so just to give you guys some idea of what sort of problem we were dealing with
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before the show here um well this is part of it
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and alex probably has some other parts of it
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but not on hand because he's actually still working on the video that we're
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yeah oh yeah oh that's good that's good yep yeah we got uh
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there is going to be there's going to be some some definite um
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you know school of hard knocks engineering going on in this video right
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here so that should be pretty good but uh we've got a great show for you guys
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today i think as you may not have noticed i have
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what's this hi everybody
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i i i i i see i don't understand the politically correct culture these days
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are we even allowed to do that yeah like i don't know is that like and
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like a is that italian or like like are you allowed to
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it's dr nick yeah he's a minority because there's only one dr nick yeah so
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i don't know if you're allowed to do that no i was no that's canon you can do that no no i was recently informed that
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um you're not allowed to say uh max is a
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member of a facebook group where you're not allowed to say y'all
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because it's cultural appropriation and i was kind of sitting here going but
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that's just a word is isn't it just appropriating whom um
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not who you'd think is all is all i'm really gonna get into
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but um yeah i just thought what's it called a conjunction
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yeah yeah i thought it was just you all it is yeah i thought that yes it depends
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who started it but i think the people who started it are part of an
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imperialistic capitalistic society it's fair game because that society is
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grounded and formed around appropriation that's all they do
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that's all we do all right well we've got a bunch of great topics for you guys
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today uh Intel launches xeon w for
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workstations further separating their
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servers eon products from their core i7 core i9 and corey whatever else and oh
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also pentium um consumer products
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and ryzen threadripper gets rounded out with the final
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chip the 1900x it has arrived
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yeah i don't think anyone was really waiting for it but we'll talk about that
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in more depth later AMD is rumored to be losing a hundred dollars or more on
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every vega 64 they sell which would be pretty bananas if true
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although i have no guarantee whatsoever that it actually is and what else we got
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here and Linus phone number and email are probably on the internet now as
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there's been a huge instagram breach of six million
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users data oh yeah great i'm glad we're covering
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that hey man news is news this is unbiased
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objective journalism
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are you you're looking into it right now aren't you no
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fake news that's luke sitting on the couch in the intro
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fake news no that's me on the right
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yeah right yeah they're right
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wait what all right so for those of you who aren't
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familiar this is james he's one of the new writers i don't even know if it's
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fair to call you guys new anymore have you been here what like six months almost
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something like that i don't know five five february february that's like six
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months yeah that's like six months yeah that's freaking thank you Colton
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crazy yeah oh i mean uh people are apparently throwing
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it throwing things out there so james is actually the one who prepares the lan
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show document for us every week and has been doing so for
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about the last uh the entire time yeah pretty much since
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it started yeah so the first week he did it it kind of sucked
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that's not true and then the second week it was like pretty decent and since then
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i mean honestly it's been kind of hard to tell the difference which either
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means that james is a rock star or means that Colton was just
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frankly never any better at this than some guy who started
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two weeks ago a bit of both um all right so first
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topic here is Threadripper
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i know it wouldn't be it wouldn't be WAN Show i wish i could have all the thread
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ripper in here see what i have to work with here he gets touch screens oh yeah
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poor you 2016 sucks a 2016 lg gram and
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who has the 2017 one me it's a way great premiere because
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that is uh the way of the world
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that's the curl of the girl big dog big dog
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and then table scratch dog
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oh that's how it's going to be all right so the original topic here was posted on
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the forum by onotech and basically i don't know i don't even
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know i don't get it how is this even newsworthy why is this even in here you
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can explain threadripper in the title dude that's news
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am i right unfortunately yes
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Threadripper related is news but this is a skew that beyond a very
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limited use case frankly i don't really
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understand so the threadripper 1900x
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has the same 64 PCIe lanes as the other
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threadripper skus it's got the same
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lga whatever it is tr4 stock it as the
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other Threadripper skus it's got a nice
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you know high base clock uh 3.8 versus 3.6 gigahertz for
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the 1800x which is the lower clocked
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actually very similar version of kind of the same processor because this is only
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an eight core chip so it's more comparable to the 1800x in
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terms of its performance than it is to its bigger brothers the 1920x and the
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1950x right to spin it another way it basically
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almost is the 1900x except with a slightly higher base clock i mean the
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1800x the 1800 the 1900x is almost like
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the 1800x except it has a higher base clock and it basically grants you access
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to all the x 399 goodies
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for 50 bucks more so for 50 bucks more you get the privilege of buying a more
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expensive motherboard right quite a bit more expensive
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motherboard yeah a lot more expensive motherboard not to mention that now you
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can go buy quad channel memory uh quad channel memory that will probably never
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be necessary for any kind of reasonable workload for an eight core processor
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um now to be clear i can come up with a
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thanks bixby i don't know what prompted bixby to
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start yakking over there um now to be clear there are a couple workloads i can
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think of for this so for example ASUS released um what was it i think a 19
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PCIe slot motherboard
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i'm going to have to double check this it might not have been 19. yeah here it
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is ASUS debuts the b250 expert mining
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ethereum motherboard with 19 PCIe slots
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um so with a Threadripper chip
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you could theoretically do like
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what like 60 of them so you could literally just cover
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like an eatx motherboard in PCIe 1x slots and
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and power adapters apparently i didn't even realize this it's not just graphics
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cards it is also thousand watt plus
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power supplies that are running into huge supply issues right now i was
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talking to a system right yeah i was down at puget systems
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yesterday as some of you guys are probably aware if you saw the stream and
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they're like yeah it's like actually a problem we're having a hard time getting thousand watt power supplies
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which may also explain okay you go why Corsair didn't want to
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send us their ax 1500i for that build that we're doing
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because they can probably turn around and sell that thing like billio
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yeah but what's worth more to them the retail price of the power supply or
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whatever exposure we hope well i don't know
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that's like a 400 plus dollar power supply so it's it's pretty it's pretty
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significant um yeah but the in the ad inventory on
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our channel is worth more than 400 yeah maybe
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um the one 1000 watt power supply that is
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no problem for us to get is uh the thousand dollar one though that puppy
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1200 watts is it 1200 watts 400 watts i thought it was a thousand watt
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no do you want to talk about the build that you have coming up kind of but it's kind of secret too
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no i don't think it's oh well okay we don't have this as an embargoed case yes
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okay uses an embargoed case but
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i know you guys you got you guys saw you
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know some of the the low end stuff that we're always focused on okay
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and you guys were like Linus you know why are you guys always doing
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you know all the low-end stuff all the time i want something that i can't
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afford i want to see a six thousand dollar
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Threadripper build and james is here to answer the call
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yes i am it's pretty badass it's got 128
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gigabytes of RAM which i didn't even know that it has
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eight dimms but wait more importantly they're all RGB
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you see this is what i have to deal with around here i'm no longer even in control of the ship
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it's just like it doesn't just hit icebergs
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it like it like calls to the iceberg you got icebergs working on the ship
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it takes like a big hook and it kind of goes where the icebergs be at beaches and uh
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and it pulls them in and kapow you don't even know yet six months in this is only
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the tip of the iceberg okay and i can't take full credit for
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all the terrible puns that have been in the uh that have been in the videos recently either as you guys can clearly
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clearly see they've i think that we've hit peak pun we're on the way down now
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they've all been used like in the first build guide i did
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which was the RGB build guide yeah every every paragraph was a pun because you
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could talk about the chassis or the case and say in this case
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but now that's been done yeah but i okay yeah but that was your first time doing
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it i had already done it many many times so should we just keep them coming just
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they're always fresh every time i think we i think we do keep them coming
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because you know if you do that then they'll always be in a state of ecstasy
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or cringe
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oh i'll admit it took me longer to get that then you should have i had to look
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um all right so why don't we get back to the 1900x so basically the point of this
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chip is if you need quad core
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wait okay you need quad channel memory and you need a ton of PCIe lanes but you
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don't want a high core count processor
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or maybe and this is the pitch that i've heard
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for something like a 7740x on the Intel
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side of things maybe you want to invest in a platform
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that has a greater uh has greater opportunities for upgrading
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in the future and you just don't have the money to spend right now
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but so would that be someone who's maybe
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they're getting this for a professional use case but it's still their side business they haven't jumped in fully
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because this is we're talking about a high ceiling here yes we're talking you
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could go all the way from 8 to 16 or you
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know word on the street is that AMD would love to deliver even more course than
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that in their gaming lineup and it wouldn't be that much of a stretch because
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to my knowledge the tr4 socket is not
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that different from the server socket so there's already 32 core processors
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there have really how much more of a challenge is it for them to deliver a 32
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core on the desktop assuming that we could figure out how to cool the bloody
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thing which is actually uh maybe we'll talk about that in a little bit more
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depth later that's a video that Anthony's been working on like at taming
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the beast is air cooling
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or water cooling a better answer for these super high wattage new cpus like
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threadripper and the answer may surprise you ooh
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i'm hoping this is going to be a callback to the d wave quantum computing
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it's going to be up there oh right you have to say like we have to pull vacuum
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to to cool a 32 core Threadripper it's got to be super conductors and
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you know what i've already filmed it so it's far too late and that's not in it so you'll you'll just have to sit and be
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sad um all right let's move on to the quote-unquote freaking huge instagram
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breach apparently i'm screwed um i
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haven't read this article yet it was posted by ali on the forum uh the
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original article here is from ars technica but maybe james would like to
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explain exactly how i am screwed because
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of this i'm not sure you're screwed but it's only ten dollars
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u.s to find out how screwed you are so what happened was
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great it started off as a bug what a value
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that's what you're that's what your privacy's worth so what what started off as a bug
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in or an exploit available from instagram
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got totally scaled up by some industrious
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hacker basically there was a bug some kind of
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some kind of uh data security research firm thought that
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this bug could not be exploited in an automatic automated way
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but then this hacker who ended up contacting rs technica
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did manage to automate it so that he was able to
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scrape this giant database of instagram 700 million users
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at a rate of what is it a million
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a million accounts per hour a million accounts per hour so he managed to get
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six million accounts into a database then you put that database online in a
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queryable website it's 10 bucks a query you can
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type in an instagram handle and get either a phone number an email or both
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wow so this person contacted rs technica and actually provided them with a 10 000
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record example spreadsheet of the type of data that he had scraped
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and then they had some statistics from that spreadsheet so i think it was 4 000
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out of the 10 000 had both emails and phone numbers wow and then the remaining
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6000 had a mix and then if you were looking at that
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spreadsheet based on the usernames they found out that they were like
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verified actual accounts not just bots or whatever
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and they also found out that looking at the emails and the phone numbers
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just based on area codes and stuff it seemed like the personal data matched
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the accounts and it looks real interesting
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so um to be clear not everyone
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got breached so i mean even at a rate of a million accounts an hour it would have
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taken almost two weeks to download the entire 700 million user records but it's
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still a significant problem and um
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i mean another thing is i guess realistically there's not 700 million
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active users so no actually if you look at uh graphs of user to post ratio like
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the vast majority of instagram accounts have never posted right they're just
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created so probably you're okay but also maybe you're super
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not okay and uh depends if there's any logic in the
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scrape and how it targeted people but the biggest risk here is that
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some for some exposed people it's their email
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and their phone that have been exposed and didn't you get hacked one time
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um because someone had your email and phone it was a little more complicated
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than that but yes it's it is possible if
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you have someone's phone number and you know who their carrier is and you can
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manage to convince their carrier that you are that person it's possible to get
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a sim issued in that number and then you can use that phone to break into other
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accounts that are using two-factor authentication
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with the phone number as a backup
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so good luck everyone and let's go ahead
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and move on to our next topic amazon turns thousands of twitch
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streamers that's us right now hey which is why we
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can't show you anything oh no no can't show you that um into product pitch men
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poor ladies as it were original article here is from bloomberg
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you know i like the bloomberg i always like to throw a couple bloombergs in there sure that's fine
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so spencer soper says amazon.com inc will pay commission
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to gamers artist chefs and others in on its twitch interactive video streaming
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service for selling products to their fans through its retail site i mean to
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be clear um it's not like amazon wasn't
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already paying twitch streamers to sell products to the people who were
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viewing i mean it's no secret that Linus media group is a member of the amazon
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associates affiliate program and anyone
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who's a member of the program if someone were to buy a product through
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their affiliate link they would get a commission i mean
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that's something that legally you have to disclose the only thing that's why
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you do here yes and they're calling this program the
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gear on amazon the only thing that's new is that they've integrated these affiliate links
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and widgets right onto streamer's pages
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so assumingly we could at some point just point down and say yeah check with
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these headphones in this little picture right here
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and i think the commissions are probably the same it says you can get a
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commission of up to ten percent and i think most
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affiliates can get that provided you sell enough volume but the lower end is
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usually four percent
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uh yeah at the low end it's usually about four percent um higher and it
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depends on the category as well so some categories and i believe this is
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posted publicly so i don't definitely you can just google anyone can join an
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amazon affiliate program you scroll down to the bottom of amazon
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there's like a become a partner or something link on the bottom you can do this with etsy and
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awesome um affiliate program yeah it looks like you
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don't have to be logged in or anything like that so like digital services for example um
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some of them are actually not percentage based like if you sign someone up for
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prime then you get just a fixed bounty uh sometimes they'll do bonuses um but
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yeah here we go so some oh amazon gift cards don't get anything anymore
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apparently neither does wine it's a funny thing that because i would
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think there's enough margin in alcohol that you could afford to uh kind of a
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little british turn of phrase you did there
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funny thing that oh wow i liked it well thank you um
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video games and game consoles are a one
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percent commission oh see that's going to be harsh for this the streamers for
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sure yep um televisions two percent pc
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components used to be closer to like three and a half to four and now they
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are two and a half percent toys are three so basically the stuff that's easy
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to sell where there's like
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so many like gaming sites and gaming blogs
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and game streamers um where they just really i guess feel
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like they don't have to work that hard at it really low commission rates but
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then you move up into digital music um physical music
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uh handmade things groceries digital videos five percent you move all the way
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up to like headphones musical instruments business and industrial
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supplies oh now you're talking six percent and you can get up to ten
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percent for men's and kids private label digital
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video games luxury beauty amazon coins and amazon fashion women
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are there any tr uh twitch streamers in the like the beauty cosmetic space like
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they're on youtube um you know what to be perfectly honest with you i
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have never watched a twitch stream
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outside of tuning into luke's with like it muted to kind of talk to his chat
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i don't really i don't really get it okay yeah well i'm old and stuff
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so like i'm i'm like i'm like shaking my cane on the front porch like old man
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style like my kids are going to be like yo i watch you know whatever
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gamertron person and i'm going to be like
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go outside go kick a ball like
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go go go just do anything anything but that but i'm gonna be wrong and those
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people are gonna be like the the superstars of that generation and it's
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and it's i'm gonna be old and i accept that so there you go
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at least you're still saying going to be old
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yeah i don't know i'm 31 now i feel pretty old
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um all right so let's uh have a look at our
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next topic here oh yeah wait did we go through like
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what's different about it really apparently the commissions will be
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available to 22 000 twitch partners i
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really think it's just the widget i think the 23 000 partners might just
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be the number of partners they have like partners is just like creators who have
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signed up or streamers who have signed up for the affiliate program yeah no it
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depends because um yeah there's different tiers of twitch
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partners that's something that i do know because i know that luke even though he
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like doesn't or at times hasn't met like certain partner requirements as a
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partner and then like i think we are even though we definitely don't meet the
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partner requirements so like us yeah so it's a little bit complicated
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all right but as far as amazon's concerned this is kind of just their
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their version of youtube you know how amazon touches everything right
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prime is their netflix they've got grocery now this even though this is a much much
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smaller version of a video platform what did it say they
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have 10 million viewers a day crazy
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but compared to youtube is nothing so
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speaking of nothing let's say your phone had nothing on it
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in terms of storage this is pretty cool uh sandisk just launched
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their largest ever micro sd card
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but wait it's exactly the same size as the other
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ones you mean it's still micro
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how else would it fit in the slot come on you guys clearly we meant the
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capacity it's in it's the largest ever it costs 250
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dollars but if you for whatever reason
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felt like you needed to carry around like what would that be that's like
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what 15 blu-rays worth of data
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if you need if you felt like you if you had a phone that was capable of playing
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back like i i don't even know can you do that can you play back like an mkv on a
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phone i guess it's probably possible like there's vlc
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are they powerful enough yeah i mean do they have uh hardware decoding for
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that not sure actually Android oreo might i
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know that oreo just added some new codecs like from sony there was a so a
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proprietary sony codec that oreo is supporting them it would depend on the
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hardware though so it would be if the uh if the adreno GPU has like hardware
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decoding for that quality of h260 i mean probably
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people are probably correcting me in twitch chat but yeah i guess there's probably no reason you couldn't play
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back full quality blu-rays on your phone plus a lot of phones are getting HDR now
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other than that it would be really stupid um because
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honestly on a phone screen it is pretty hard to tell the difference between like
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a decent 720p video stream and like the highest quality that you
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can stream on plex let alone like a full blu-ray quality but here's the question
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that was on my mind when i read this headline yeah i kind of thought
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big deal like can't they release a headline like this every month like is
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this just an incremental upgrade because these you know just like uh processing
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power like these things are just on up and to the right at all times yes and no
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i mean it has slowed down even in the time since Linus media group was founded
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all of this stuff has slowed down significantly i like it used to be that
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you got a new like doubling of hard drive capacities it felt like every few
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months and you know in the okay so here in the time
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since i've been a pc enthusiast so it must have been around 2003 2004
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when you went to the store and bought like a decent sized hard drive it was
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120 gigs well i remember the first computer that my family bought it was 30
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gigs okay so in 2003 2004 like an
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enthusiast would run out and buy a hard drive that was anywhere from 80 to 120
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gigs and you could get higher ones but they were like pretty pricey
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okay when Linus media group started that was 2003 that was 10 years later 13. it
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was um about 3 terabytes
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since then so that is that is what an a
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factor of what so times 10 times 3. so that's 30 times the size in that 10
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years so since then we've gone from 3 to 12
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so we've managed to 4x and it's been almost 5 years
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so think about that well i actually catfished you a little
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bit because the answer to my questions in the show notes because
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this new 400 Gigabyte card is going to be the new world record holder for this
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format and the previous holder that they're
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displacing was
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samsung who had 256 gigabytes yep and that's just last year but it had been a
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little while so that's something that you might not be factoring in and
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uh honestly i think the bigger deal for mobile storage for for flash cards is
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really going to be a speed increase versus just continuing to ramp up the
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capacity because we've got standards like um
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shoot what's that uh there's a new super small card standard
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i it's it's escaping me right now but we've got standards coming that are
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going to perform much more similarly to a full speed SATA drive or even a pci
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express drive and this card sure 400 gigs but it only
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copies data at 100 megabytes a second so it would actually take a really
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really long time to fill it up like i don't it's not like you could use your
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phone as like a super high speed you
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know um external drive for your laptop
27:08
when you're on the road and you're video editing or something like that not at those kinds of speeds no that's bunk so
27:12
i don't really understand what you're gonna be keeping on it unless it's something ridiculous like oh i need to
27:17
carry my blu-ray collection with me yeah eventually this is just gonna be your
27:21
your way way way cold storage backup this is your amazon glacier
27:26
micro sd cards microsd cards yeah yeah i got the whole business here amazing
27:31
amazing amazing storage density
27:35
don't mind that the cost is just completely uncompetitive with tape don't
27:39
worry about that also the the incredibly complicated controller we need to access
27:44
you know what i mean what would that be that would be like
27:48
you know a thousand micro sd cards in the space of a single tape drive
27:53
cartridge like
27:56
what what controller is that because you'd basically be looking at like us an
28:00
incredibly complex SSD controller by that point
28:04
um all right what else we got for today what else is interesting talk about this
28:08
orbee touch stuff uh yeah sure like i normally organize
28:12
the show notes with more boring things or niche things at the bottom and this
28:16
is pretty close to the bottom but i feel like i'm here and
28:19
i think it's kind of cool sure like the screenshot is in the show notes so we
28:24
should just open it that way so basically
28:27
we've been on like this wonky keyboard kick for a little while
28:31
hey i just work here yeah
28:35
so i've done like three um alternative keyboards we did the advantage two which
28:40
is an ergonomic one then we did the safe type keyboard which is just a more
28:43
obscure ergonomic keyboard and now we've
28:46
done the orbi touch which is coming up on the on flow plane and on youtube soon
28:51
so the orbee touch is a keyless keyboard it's got these two domes that you move
28:54
around in a coordinated fashion the process is called chording so
28:58
basically there's i think eight or so different clusters
29:03
of letters on the one hand and i you point to one cluster and then
29:07
with the other hand you specify which symbol in the cluster you actually wanna
29:11
do sounds like a cluster to me
29:15
okay but beyond the actual keyboard the company's actually ported this same
29:19
typing method to vr and while the keyboard is aimed at
29:22
people who have low finger dexterity in vr it's actually probably just the
29:27
better way to type for everybody right because you just uh you just gesture
29:32
for which key you want to press unfortunately your link doesn't work
29:36
because you linked to your own inbox oh i didn't know that worked that way yeah
29:40
no that that that's definitely just show my inbox but
29:43
i'm not logged in you have the keys
29:46
sort of go to lastpass get my password go to my email no no i can't i no i
29:50
don't i don't have your lastpass information that's not how lastpass
29:53
works i actually can't look at what you store
29:56
in it without locking you out
30:01
so maybe i'm using it wrong i shouldn't put that in there
30:06
anyway the point is everyone has everyone who's used vr has
30:09
probably felt a little silly holding these kick-ass touch controllers
30:13
and then using them to like laser beam
30:16
a a letter on a key yeah it's actually really inefficient and the worst part
30:20
about it is that whenever you're pointing out a letter when you pull the
30:23
trigger it like moves your hand a little bit so typing with any kind of reasonable
30:28
speed is actually pretty difficult and fatiguing i mean if
30:32
you're the if you like to like tom cruise and always hold your touch
30:36
controller out like that instead of brandon leeing and holding it close to your body you after all that typing time
30:41
your ARM's gonna get tired you know speaking of your arms getting tired
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think they're trying to break into china eventually here you think so
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i think i heard that reliable source are we allowed to say that
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are we like disclosing in a sponsor spot embargoed information from a sponsor
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that kind of stuff's not embargoed every comp once company wants to go global
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you better not get it you better not get us in trouble with like your favorite
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sponsor i'm gonna get kicked in the nuts you're killing me here
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all right moving on i fix it so i fix it
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do they really need an introduction at this point probably not but we'll do it anyway hey alex can i have that ifixit
34:39
kit that we were just using to complete a project that we just did is that a pro
34:43
advantage too there you go guys i fix it they've got
34:48
the guides whether it's an iphone an imac uh
34:52
a dell computer some other phone if it's a device i fix it's got a guide for how
34:57
to tear it apart and sometimes how to put it back together and
35:03
they're also leading the charge in terms of repair it yourself
35:08
culture because they not only provide the guides they also have an extensive
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range of replacement parts including really hard to find stuff like weird
35:17
little adhesives or gaskets that are required to put a system back together
35:22
and tools like yes my friends the pro-tec tool kit it's
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now only 59.95 and includes their 64-bit driver kit
35:31
which has pretty much every bit you could possibly need and a bunch of other
35:36
cool stuff for prying picking poking
35:40
anti-staticking thank you bixby i wasn't talking to you i messed with this thing
35:44
for a second what bixby yeah no this thing um
35:50
as a noob i have found two things in particular that i like about this
35:55
yeah we actually hired a noob as a writer like
35:58
never built a computer before this is kind of a yeah well i was going to kind of get to that but it's kind of a funny
36:02
story from his interview um i one of the questions that i asked
36:08
every interviewee was um tell me about some projects that
36:13
you have on the go right now so Anthony one of the other writers that we hired
36:17
at the same time he's like oh yeah well i've got all these like uh retro
36:21
consoles that i'm uh repairing and like soldering back together um alex tells me
36:27
about his like dune buggy like creation from scratch
36:32
team that he participated mad max probably shoots potatoes at the size
36:35
yeah james is like i built my own computer that's no that's
36:40
not what i said i said okay well what do you mean like building your own
36:45
computer and you said uh actually i would consider that to be
36:49
pretty basic and i was like oh
36:52
okay hopefully make it to the next round
36:56
yeah so somehow somehow you ended up around here okay so given that perspective yeah
37:00
i was blown away by the fact that this puppy spins because then you can just
37:04
hold it in one hand and as you spin you don't have to reset your hand that's that's just amazing
37:09
there's so many people face palming right now and tool of the week this
37:13
puppy is this the spudger uh i actually you know what i'm gonna confess they all
37:18
got cool names i can't remember which one's the spudger i think it's the black
37:21
pokey one i'm pretty sure whatever this is called
37:25
i'm just gonna give it a new name right now uh i don't know the unboxing but i use
37:29
this this is the spudger you're gonna get us in trouble with every sponsor
37:34
oh why do i let you come on the show live i was talking to the ifixit ladies
37:39
at ltx and we were making all sorts of good names with these things this should
37:42
this is a pokey anyway this is great for opening boxes a
37:47
lot of people who work here just have not like knives on their keychains like Linus does tyler does they unbox things
37:52
all day i haven't gone to that level yet because i'm a minimalist
37:57
on my keychains i actually have a separate keychain just for my car key
38:00
and the key that unlocks this office that way on the weekend i don't have to
38:05
have those extra two keys that's how
38:08
much i hate things being in my pocket so this thing is awesome for just opening
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up a new box of fans love it totally worth the price of
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admission all right well i'm sure that uh most of
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you will find um over at ifixit.com lineup 60 bucks i'm
38:24
sure most of you will find more complex things to work on with that uh speaking
38:28
of working on complex things alex are you done with that or yeah you're done
38:32
okay cool conclusion uh okay do you want to come on and join the show
38:36
okay cool all right i actually get to go home
38:41
yeah Anthony already left diddy what time is it oh wow it's six oh
38:45
well i can't make you during the show but if you want to then you can
38:49
otherwise i'll just sit here and be a show all by myself bye everybody yep see
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ya goodbye i'm dc right oh how do i make this
38:59
fine so alex um do you did you want to have do they
39:02
know who you are i don't know if they know who you are i think some of them
39:06
maybe i'm not totally sure yeah alex says uh alex is a toronto blue jays fan
39:10
apparently i actually didn't you watch baseball when they get into playoffs yes okay so
39:15
you're a typical so you're a typical canadian baseball fan yeah
39:19
it's like well we've only got one team and uh
39:23
gee 182 games is a lot to watch in a year so
39:27
yeah i'ma just yeah
39:31
i'd say the same about hockey but being a toronto fan like then i wouldn't watch
39:34
a game in like the past 20 years so are you a toronto fan yeah
39:41
what it's the closest team well
39:45
montreal is the closest team montreal is evil though not to mention
39:49
that like anyone else is the closest team to being worthy of your fandom i
39:54
mean that's a factor as well they're just toronto
39:59
i don't know i wanted to be a rebel everyone in my household is a montreal
40:02
fan and i was just like you know what no i'm being a toronto fan and stir things
40:07
up all right well speaking of fans these uh these cpus are definitely going to
40:11
need fans because they have a lot of course wow that was a great segue i still got
40:16
it baby so this was posted by ezzy on the forum and the original architect is
40:20
oh architect articles from over on a non-tech Intel launches xeon w cpus for
40:27
workstations so
40:30
there's some good news here um the good news is i guess that now on the
40:37
workstation you can get support for up to 512 gigs of ecc so that's error
40:43
correcting memory um
40:46
it goes all the way from 4 cores to 18 core line to 18 cores in the xeon w
40:52
family so i guess that's cool um extent so extended memory support v
40:57
pro uh Intel's amt
41:01
standard reliability service ability and availability features
41:06
so it's good in that there's like a higher end workstation platform but it's
41:11
kind of sucky in that basically Intel has gone from
41:16
quite a few generations ago where lga 775 and 771 were pretty much a
41:22
little piece of tape apart and you could kind of like mod one
41:27
two to the other and you could pretty easily run sort of workstation
41:31
chips and in uh mainstream boards and vice versa to now this requires an
41:36
all-new chipset um and we've got sort of
41:39
their their enterprise server xeons we've got
41:44
consumer and then we've got this in between and there's not a lot of
41:48
interchangeability in spite of the fact that there's really no compelling reason
41:53
for why that would have to be physically
41:56
yeah like 1366 you could just take an i7 and plop in and on and like
42:01
it wouldn't even matter right yep in fact um
42:06
i mean running server grade processors
42:10
in consumer motherboards is something that i have personally done like back in
42:14
the day uh with my opteron 165 on socket 939 the great thing about the operon 165
42:21
is that it was it was a good value because it ran at a super low clock
42:24
speed but by putting it in a consumer board you could overclock the stuffing
42:28
out of it and you could get great performance per dollar this is just
42:31
artificially locking down the performance per dollar that's
42:35
available and just you know there you go with that
42:39
said i don't think there's really any i think it's like okay i guess Intel's
42:45
other behavior over the last little while has made it less of a factor
42:48
because it's not like anything that's not an x or a k skew is overclockable
42:52
anyway and these chips are going to come in more expensive than the equivalent
42:56
core i9s anyhow so there would be other than the second hand market no
43:00
compelling reason to go and buy one of these if you don't need ecc memory
43:04
support well also there's that they just have
43:08
is it functionally any different than i-9 or they're just locking you out in many
43:12
different ways for different markets no it actually really doesn't look that
43:16
different so if you go ahead and have a look at the line up here let's go ahead
43:20
and go down so here you go here's how they're differentiating it there's
43:24
expert xeon scalable so this the equivalent used to be the e5 2600 so
43:30
this is what we would have used for projects like seven gamers one CPU in
43:34
like dual socket motherboards that kind of thing xeon w
43:38
is uh what would have been e5 1600
43:42
and then xeon e3 is entry so this would
43:45
probably be what would have previously been like lga 1150 11 5x xeons uh where
43:51
you don't actually get like the quad channel memory or anything like that you just get ecc
43:56
so uh avx five twelve acceleration
44:00
up to uh yep okay so yeah pretty much you get a four
44:04
a couple four cores a couple six cores an eight to ten 14 and an 18.
44:08
one thing i don't know is how these bass frequencies and turbo frequencies
44:12
compare to the core i9s and pricing is still unclear but what we can at least
44:17
kind of figure out is that this looks pretty darn similar
44:21
to the 7900x and it is another 440 dollars for pretty
44:26
much those um you know enterprise features and ecc
44:29
memory well in fairness the and you don't get overclocking anymore
44:33
i'm assuming 2125 actually doesn't look that horrible
44:37
yeah but why would you buy a quad core at 400 this is basically what a uh
44:43
well how much is a 7700 a 7740k
44:47
right and the 7740k can be had for cheaper
44:50
than that and it's overclockable and i wouldn't run out and invest in
44:55
this kind of like an lga 2066 platform
44:58
for a quad-core processor that's just like
45:02
kind of dumb yeah it's like not too bad if you're
45:05
in a situation that you're never going to have yeah
45:09
so that's kind of where we're at on that um actually oh this is cool so uh ian
45:14
from anontec went ahead and did a little comparison chart here so 17 here's a
45:20
comparison between the top skews on each platform so the super high-end one
45:25
um which actually now gets a new socket so
45:28
that allows it to have more cores more
45:31
PCIe thread up excuse me no no more PCIe
45:35
lanes but far more cores up to 28 cores
45:38
and 56 threads and six channel memory
45:42
um that one's going to cost you anywhere from 10 to
45:45
thousand dollars for example the price 81.80
45:49
and then on the sort of the high-end workstation slash high-end desktop
45:53
platforms you're looking at two thousand dollars tbd but if i had to
45:58
guess i'd probably say around three grand or 3 500 you get a few more PCIe
46:02
lanes so the same as the very high end zeons and then you get very similar
46:07
clock speeds actually a little bit more on boost a little bit less on bass
46:10
and a lower TDP and then
46:14
more memory support and registered memory support so
46:18
yeah i can uh i guess that's the thing why don't we
46:21
move on yeah but are we still on Intel uh yeah core
46:26
i7 8700k benchmarks have been leaked
46:30
uh this was posted originally on the forum by i'm not sure james forgot to uh
46:35
forgot to put that in oh i wish i had gotten to this one when he was here this
46:38
was posted by raven shrike on the forum and the original article here is from
46:42
wccf tech goodness
46:46
so this is a really really
46:49
interesting tip because word on the street
46:54
according to you know the leaked box art here
46:58
and uh the leaked benchmarks here
47:01
is that per core clock speed and performance is going to be pretty
47:06
freaking similar to the CPU that it's replacing the 7700k
47:11
except that it's gonna have six cores on what will presumably be a similarly
47:16
priced mainstream motherboard and chipset platform
47:20
six course mainstream
47:23
i'm excited Intel ran out and finally delivered us a high-end desktop platform
47:28
worth writing home about and then went and made it irrelevant to
47:32
the vast majority of consumers for whom six core is like definitely
47:37
super enough um only a few months later
47:41
it's exciting it's a great time to be alive uh what do we got here what are
47:46
the leak specs um so it's a 3.7 gigahertz space
47:50
frequency with boosts up to well the only really interesting one is
47:53
4.7 gigahertz on one core so you think that's the only interesting one i am
47:58
going to argue with you i think the 4.5 gigahertz two core boost
48:03
is actually more important with how many games these days true are taking
48:08
advantage of two cores that's the same as the 7700k isn't it
48:14
uh yeah i think so but the the word on the street though is that we're looking at a 10 ipc improvement
48:19
so this thing could show up and absolutely kick the
48:23
stuffing out of the computer that anyone who any
48:28
chumps out there who ran out and bought a 7 700 k
48:32
it could be like the old days where every generation we had this deep
48:36
buyer's remorse and we felt like there was actually enough of a performance
48:40
improvement to be worth going out there
48:44
and buying a new one so word on the street is that it's going
48:47
to cost 350 bucks when it launches
48:51
but with a 10 ipc improvement
48:54
similar clock speeds so you're looking at 10 faster right out of the gate
48:59
plus that it could be up to 50
49:03
faster in heavily multi-threaded benchmarks
49:07
and applications i mean this thing could show up and be legitimately like 140
49:14
in the real world 140 150 percent the speed of a 7700k in something like video
49:19
encoding and i guess also that's really bad news
49:25
for AMD because that's kind of
49:28
their buttery zone right now where they're like we have many cores it is
49:32
going to put some pressure on ryzen 7. with that said
49:36
i mean AMD has shown a definite
49:39
willingness to roll up their sleeves like they're rolling up the sleeves all
49:44
the way to the point where like you are so white oh my god
49:52
roll up the sleeves all the way to the point where uh
49:56
there's no sleeves left anymore when it comes to adding more cores to cpus just
50:00
because yolo and also they probably have a lot left over like in the tank verizon
50:04
like hopefully as they continue to improve it
50:08
we'll see just generally it being better well when
50:12
uh when jim keller left AMD so he left
50:15
for tesla if i recall correctly so he left AMD to go to apple then he left
50:19
apple to go back to AMD to like rescue them as far as i can tell and then left
50:24
to go to tesla AMD made it very clear that his departure did not mean the end
50:29
of the zen architecture zen 2.0 is already mapped out is my understanding
50:34
so uh we already went through that topic we
50:38
already went through that topic we already went through that topic uh galaxy note 7 owners will apparently
50:42
get a massive discount on the note 8. so that's cool goodbye nick bye nick
50:48
oh i was so upset about this topic this was posted by minnie beats on the forum the
50:52
original article here is from pc gamer you guys should go check it out why are
50:56
you upset by that one i'm upset because it never got released
51:01
i liked the NVIDIA shield portable
51:05
really and a prototype
51:09
all right choose your choose your words carefully mr enjoys being employed here
51:15
i just never really saw the appeal of it what's not to like it's a it's a
51:20
handheld console that plays Android games and that
51:24
streams your pc games
51:27
so Android games are never great and pc
51:30
games are only best played on a pc
51:36
what about pc platformers yeah what about okay i played through
51:40
all of tomb raider on the NVIDIA shield
51:43
whole game never felt like i was having a bad
51:46
experience and the graphics were freaking awesome because it's a portable
51:50
platform okay but
51:53
and you can't i did not enjoy tomb raider at all i like played a bit if it was like
51:57
gta 5 yeah there fine gta 5 who cares
52:01
any game that plays well with the controller played great
52:05
on the shield portable and uh basically yeah they this
52:10
prototype which looks like it has some seriously awesome improvements uh
52:15
smaller bezels that was like one of the only things that i really felt like had
52:18
to be fixed uh they changed some of the button placements it looks a bit more
52:22
ergonomic um oh man
52:27
just one prototype made it into the wild and
52:31
that's it i even sent like and i shield
52:35
portable was something that i would send fairly frequent sort of pings to our
52:39
NVIDIA rep about like hey when you guys like doing a thing that's a new thing because
52:44
like there's kind of an old processor now and they just never replied and
52:48
never replied and it made me sad uh screen was apparently
52:53
brighter uh shut down instantly instead of taking a couple seconds
52:57
and um yeah so i'm sad apparently nobody else
53:01
is sad yeah i couldn't care less really
53:05
well thanks
53:10
uh speaking of things that uh we couldn't care less about actually this
53:14
does seem kind of important youtube begins isolating offensive content
53:19
this week they won't be able to run ads or and
53:23
this is interesting be shared on other websites
53:27
so google announced this in june that they would begin isolating youtube videos
53:31
that weren't directly in violation of its standards but contained
53:35
controversial religious or supremacist content
53:39
so the videos that fall into this category aside from not being able to run ads or
53:43
be monetized won't have comments disabled and may have a warning screen
53:48
appear before they play this is meant to curtail engagement and minimize the
53:53
video's reach so creators affected by the policy will
53:57
receive a note and will be able to appeal the decision if they feel like
54:00
the restrictions are unwarranted
54:04
i guess first of all how do they flag it because i know
54:08
their last role went horribly a lot of people got falsely flagged yeah
54:13
so if they're able to improve that a bit that's an improvement i guess but let's see how
54:18
it goes is all i have to say about that
54:22
yeah i don't have high hopes for that and what was the other thing that i was
54:26
going to say about this it also seems like it's going to have a
54:30
lot of people that are just saying like oh they're just trying to like hurt my
54:34
free speech and then they might almost get more shares out of being like my
54:39
free speech is hurt as opposed to
54:42
just not being no one really caring
54:45
all right so let's move on from that to something completely uncontroversial
54:50
i just wanted to check i haven't checked the document yet do you guys have the juicero news in there did you cerro news
54:56
no no uh oh i did hear about this though i
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thought you know what i think james specifically asked me if i
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wanted the juicero news in here oh they're shutting down um
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and i specifically told him yes
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i don't know how to spell juicero g-u-i-c-e-r-o
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i think you mean j-u-i but sure j-u-i okay so yeah no he didn't put it
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in okay so hold on let's go grab let's go grab an article here here's the
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verge's article uh juicero is shutting down
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um apparently they're trying to get bought
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so that's pretty cool i'm so surprised that they're shutting
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down said no one ever um all customers
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have up to 90 days to request a refund for their purchase of the ducero press
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regardless of when they bought it uh employees are being given 60 days
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notice um
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so like have you seen the insides of one of these those it's like super
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impressive the like level of over-the-top engineering is
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like insane it's like they gave someone like their first engineering job and
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they were like make it the best and instead of them
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like doing anything besides making it the best they only made it the best
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it's i like the aluminum is like this thick and spot it's crazy
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there's no purpose for it to be like that and they must be losing heaps of money but like if these are all just
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going out if you're like a creator or like you like mod things just pick one
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up like off the side of the road it will like there's amazing stuff inside of it fair
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enough all right here's something uncontroversial equally uncontroversial
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the pico goblin the ultra portable first fully
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untethered vr headset their claim to fame for this thing is that it doesn't
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require a pc it doesn't require any cables it doesn't require a phone
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nothing mind you i could have designed the pico
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goblin by taking some double-sided tape
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and a samsung gear vr or google cardboard
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and taping them together because to say that it doesn't require a phone
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and then tell me that it's running a qualcomm snapdragon 820 CPU with a 5.5
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inch 2560 by 1440 resolution display 3g
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high speed connectivity um doesn't say how much but lp ddr4 RAM
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16 gigs of emc 5.1 rom
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and a 3 500 milliamp hour battery
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is basically like telling me that you guys engineered a phone and then
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glue the headset to it it actually sounds a lot like the specs
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for the lg g4 specs for every phone ever
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with that said it's cheap so it's available for pre-order for 269 bucks if
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you wanted a craptastic vr experience
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because unless it's tracked outside in right now
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we are not there yet but where we are is at the end of the
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show so alex unless you have you looked like you were going to say something
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no okay all right i'm rolling the out trail
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goodbye people they can't hear you there's music um pretty sure they can still hear us
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yeah it's just and some people complain
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i don't know i kind of like it g4 was 808 dude not even close
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so yeah why don't you just get crapped on right there
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does anyone actually care about the snapdragon processors though um
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yeah like they matter a bit but they're all kind of the same thing well like
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they're they get faster i guess so yeah yeah