i'm doing it i'm doing it we're live
it's rancho time uh or rather it was
when show time um a little while ago but we ran into an
issue can can i can i get that that tangle of fans actually alex do you mind
yeah so just to give you guys some idea of what sort of problem we were dealing with
before the show here um well this is part of it
and alex probably has some other parts of it
but not on hand because he's actually still working on the video that we're
yeah oh yeah oh that's good that's good yep yeah we got uh
there is going to be there's going to be some some definite um
you know school of hard knocks engineering going on in this video right
here so that should be pretty good but uh we've got a great show for you guys
today i think as you may not have noticed i have
what's this hi everybody
i i i i i see i don't understand the politically correct culture these days
are we even allowed to do that yeah like i don't know is that like and
like a is that italian or like like are you allowed to
it's dr nick yeah he's a minority because there's only one dr nick yeah so
i don't know if you're allowed to do that no i was no that's canon you can do that no no i was recently informed that
um you're not allowed to say uh max is a
member of a facebook group where you're not allowed to say y'all
because it's cultural appropriation and i was kind of sitting here going but
that's just a word is isn't it just appropriating whom um
not who you'd think is all is all i'm really gonna get into
but um yeah i just thought what's it called a conjunction
yeah yeah i thought it was just you all it is yeah i thought that yes it depends
who started it but i think the people who started it are part of an
imperialistic capitalistic society it's fair game because that society is
grounded and formed around appropriation that's all they do
that's all we do all right well we've got a bunch of great topics for you guys
today uh Intel launches xeon w for
workstations further separating their
servers eon products from their core i7 core i9 and corey whatever else and oh
also pentium um consumer products
and ryzen threadripper gets rounded out with the final
chip the 1900x it has arrived
yeah i don't think anyone was really waiting for it but we'll talk about that
in more depth later AMD is rumored to be losing a hundred dollars or more on
every vega 64 they sell which would be pretty bananas if true
although i have no guarantee whatsoever that it actually is and what else we got
here and Linus phone number and email are probably on the internet now as
there's been a huge instagram breach of six million
users data oh yeah great i'm glad we're covering
that hey man news is news this is unbiased
objective journalism
are you you're looking into it right now aren't you no
fake news that's luke sitting on the couch in the intro
fake news no that's me on the right
yeah right yeah they're right
wait what all right so for those of you who aren't
familiar this is james he's one of the new writers i don't even know if it's
fair to call you guys new anymore have you been here what like six months almost
something like that i don't know five five february february that's like six
months yeah that's like six months yeah that's freaking thank you Colton
crazy yeah oh i mean uh people are apparently throwing
it throwing things out there so james is actually the one who prepares the lan
show document for us every week and has been doing so for
about the last uh the entire time yeah pretty much since
it started yeah so the first week he did it it kind of sucked
that's not true and then the second week it was like pretty decent and since then
i mean honestly it's been kind of hard to tell the difference which either
means that james is a rock star or means that Colton was just
frankly never any better at this than some guy who started
two weeks ago a bit of both um all right so first
topic here is Threadripper
i know it wouldn't be it wouldn't be WAN Show i wish i could have all the thread
ripper in here see what i have to work with here he gets touch screens oh yeah
poor you 2016 sucks a 2016 lg gram and
who has the 2017 one me it's a way great premiere because
that is uh the way of the world
that's the curl of the girl big dog big dog
and then table scratch dog
oh that's how it's going to be all right so the original topic here was posted on
the forum by onotech and basically i don't know i don't even
know i don't get it how is this even newsworthy why is this even in here you
can explain threadripper in the title dude that's news
am i right unfortunately yes
Threadripper related is news but this is a skew that beyond a very
limited use case frankly i don't really
understand so the threadripper 1900x
has the same 64 PCIe lanes as the other
threadripper skus it's got the same
lga whatever it is tr4 stock it as the
other Threadripper skus it's got a nice
you know high base clock uh 3.8 versus 3.6 gigahertz for
the 1800x which is the lower clocked
actually very similar version of kind of the same processor because this is only
an eight core chip so it's more comparable to the 1800x in
terms of its performance than it is to its bigger brothers the 1920x and the
1950x right to spin it another way it basically
almost is the 1900x except with a slightly higher base clock i mean the
1800x the 1800 the 1900x is almost like
the 1800x except it has a higher base clock and it basically grants you access
to all the x 399 goodies
for 50 bucks more so for 50 bucks more you get the privilege of buying a more
expensive motherboard right quite a bit more expensive
motherboard yeah a lot more expensive motherboard not to mention that now you
can go buy quad channel memory uh quad channel memory that will probably never
be necessary for any kind of reasonable workload for an eight core processor
um now to be clear i can come up with a
thanks bixby i don't know what prompted bixby to
start yakking over there um now to be clear there are a couple workloads i can
think of for this so for example ASUS released um what was it i think a 19
PCIe slot motherboard
i'm going to have to double check this it might not have been 19. yeah here it
is ASUS debuts the b250 expert mining
ethereum motherboard with 19 PCIe slots
um so with a Threadripper chip
you could theoretically do like
what like 60 of them so you could literally just cover
like an eatx motherboard in PCIe 1x slots and
and power adapters apparently i didn't even realize this it's not just graphics
cards it is also thousand watt plus
power supplies that are running into huge supply issues right now i was
talking to a system right yeah i was down at puget systems
yesterday as some of you guys are probably aware if you saw the stream and
they're like yeah it's like actually a problem we're having a hard time getting thousand watt power supplies
which may also explain okay you go why Corsair didn't want to
send us their ax 1500i for that build that we're doing
because they can probably turn around and sell that thing like billio
yeah but what's worth more to them the retail price of the power supply or
whatever exposure we hope well i don't know
that's like a 400 plus dollar power supply so it's it's pretty it's pretty
significant um yeah but the in the ad inventory on
our channel is worth more than 400 yeah maybe
um the one 1000 watt power supply that is
no problem for us to get is uh the thousand dollar one though that puppy
1200 watts is it 1200 watts 400 watts i thought it was a thousand watt
no do you want to talk about the build that you have coming up kind of but it's kind of secret too
no i don't think it's oh well okay we don't have this as an embargoed case yes
okay uses an embargoed case but
i know you guys you got you guys saw you
know some of the the low end stuff that we're always focused on okay
and you guys were like Linus you know why are you guys always doing
you know all the low-end stuff all the time i want something that i can't
afford i want to see a six thousand dollar
Threadripper build and james is here to answer the call
yes i am it's pretty badass it's got 128
gigabytes of RAM which i didn't even know that it has
eight dimms but wait more importantly they're all RGB
you see this is what i have to deal with around here i'm no longer even in control of the ship
it's just like it doesn't just hit icebergs
it like it like calls to the iceberg you got icebergs working on the ship
it takes like a big hook and it kind of goes where the icebergs be at beaches and uh
and it pulls them in and kapow you don't even know yet six months in this is only
the tip of the iceberg okay and i can't take full credit for
all the terrible puns that have been in the uh that have been in the videos recently either as you guys can clearly
clearly see they've i think that we've hit peak pun we're on the way down now
they've all been used like in the first build guide i did
which was the RGB build guide yeah every every paragraph was a pun because you
could talk about the chassis or the case and say in this case
but now that's been done yeah but i okay yeah but that was your first time doing
it i had already done it many many times so should we just keep them coming just
they're always fresh every time i think we i think we do keep them coming
because you know if you do that then they'll always be in a state of ecstasy
or cringe
oh i'll admit it took me longer to get that then you should have i had to look
um all right so why don't we get back to the 1900x so basically the point of this
chip is if you need quad core
wait okay you need quad channel memory and you need a ton of PCIe lanes but you
don't want a high core count processor
or maybe and this is the pitch that i've heard
for something like a 7740x on the Intel
side of things maybe you want to invest in a platform
that has a greater uh has greater opportunities for upgrading
in the future and you just don't have the money to spend right now
but so would that be someone who's maybe
they're getting this for a professional use case but it's still their side business they haven't jumped in fully
because this is we're talking about a high ceiling here yes we're talking you
could go all the way from 8 to 16 or you
know word on the street is that AMD would love to deliver even more course than
that in their gaming lineup and it wouldn't be that much of a stretch because
to my knowledge the tr4 socket is not
that different from the server socket so there's already 32 core processors
there have really how much more of a challenge is it for them to deliver a 32
core on the desktop assuming that we could figure out how to cool the bloody
thing which is actually uh maybe we'll talk about that in a little bit more
depth later that's a video that Anthony's been working on like at taming
the beast is air cooling
or water cooling a better answer for these super high wattage new cpus like
threadripper and the answer may surprise you ooh
i'm hoping this is going to be a callback to the d wave quantum computing
it's going to be up there oh right you have to say like we have to pull vacuum
to to cool a 32 core Threadripper it's got to be super conductors and
you know what i've already filmed it so it's far too late and that's not in it so you'll you'll just have to sit and be
sad um all right let's move on to the quote-unquote freaking huge instagram
breach apparently i'm screwed um i
haven't read this article yet it was posted by ali on the forum uh the
original article here is from ars technica but maybe james would like to
explain exactly how i am screwed because
of this i'm not sure you're screwed but it's only ten dollars
u.s to find out how screwed you are so what happened was
great it started off as a bug what a value
that's what you're that's what your privacy's worth so what what started off as a bug
in or an exploit available from instagram
got totally scaled up by some industrious
hacker basically there was a bug some kind of
some kind of uh data security research firm thought that
this bug could not be exploited in an automatic automated way
but then this hacker who ended up contacting rs technica
did manage to automate it so that he was able to
scrape this giant database of instagram 700 million users
at a rate of what is it a million
a million accounts per hour a million accounts per hour so he managed to get
six million accounts into a database then you put that database online in a
queryable website it's 10 bucks a query you can
type in an instagram handle and get either a phone number an email or both
wow so this person contacted rs technica and actually provided them with a 10 000
record example spreadsheet of the type of data that he had scraped
and then they had some statistics from that spreadsheet so i think it was 4 000
out of the 10 000 had both emails and phone numbers wow and then the remaining
6000 had a mix and then if you were looking at that
spreadsheet based on the usernames they found out that they were like
verified actual accounts not just bots or whatever
and they also found out that looking at the emails and the phone numbers
just based on area codes and stuff it seemed like the personal data matched
the accounts and it looks real interesting
so um to be clear not everyone
got breached so i mean even at a rate of a million accounts an hour it would have
taken almost two weeks to download the entire 700 million user records but it's
still a significant problem and um
i mean another thing is i guess realistically there's not 700 million
active users so no actually if you look at uh graphs of user to post ratio like
the vast majority of instagram accounts have never posted right they're just
created so probably you're okay but also maybe you're super
not okay and uh depends if there's any logic in the
scrape and how it targeted people but the biggest risk here is that
some for some exposed people it's their email
and their phone that have been exposed and didn't you get hacked one time
um because someone had your email and phone it was a little more complicated
than that but yes it's it is possible if
you have someone's phone number and you know who their carrier is and you can
manage to convince their carrier that you are that person it's possible to get
a sim issued in that number and then you can use that phone to break into other
accounts that are using two-factor authentication
with the phone number as a backup
so good luck everyone and let's go ahead
and move on to our next topic amazon turns thousands of twitch
streamers that's us right now hey which is why we
can't show you anything oh no no can't show you that um into product pitch men
poor ladies as it were original article here is from bloomberg
you know i like the bloomberg i always like to throw a couple bloombergs in there sure that's fine
so spencer soper says amazon.com inc will pay commission
to gamers artist chefs and others in on its twitch interactive video streaming
service for selling products to their fans through its retail site i mean to
be clear um it's not like amazon wasn't
already paying twitch streamers to sell products to the people who were
viewing i mean it's no secret that Linus media group is a member of the amazon
associates affiliate program and anyone
who's a member of the program if someone were to buy a product through
their affiliate link they would get a commission i mean
that's something that legally you have to disclose the only thing that's why
you do here yes and they're calling this program the
gear on amazon the only thing that's new is that they've integrated these affiliate links
and widgets right onto streamer's pages
so assumingly we could at some point just point down and say yeah check with
these headphones in this little picture right here
and i think the commissions are probably the same it says you can get a
commission of up to ten percent and i think most
affiliates can get that provided you sell enough volume but the lower end is
usually four percent
uh yeah at the low end it's usually about four percent um higher and it
depends on the category as well so some categories and i believe this is
posted publicly so i don't definitely you can just google anyone can join an
amazon affiliate program you scroll down to the bottom of amazon
there's like a become a partner or something link on the bottom you can do this with etsy and
awesome um affiliate program yeah it looks like you
don't have to be logged in or anything like that so like digital services for example um
some of them are actually not percentage based like if you sign someone up for
prime then you get just a fixed bounty uh sometimes they'll do bonuses um but
yeah here we go so some oh amazon gift cards don't get anything anymore
apparently neither does wine it's a funny thing that because i would
think there's enough margin in alcohol that you could afford to uh kind of a
little british turn of phrase you did there
funny thing that oh wow i liked it well thank you um
video games and game consoles are a one
percent commission oh see that's going to be harsh for this the streamers for
sure yep um televisions two percent pc
components used to be closer to like three and a half to four and now they
are two and a half percent toys are three so basically the stuff that's easy
to sell where there's like
so many like gaming sites and gaming blogs
and game streamers um where they just really i guess feel
like they don't have to work that hard at it really low commission rates but
then you move up into digital music um physical music
uh handmade things groceries digital videos five percent you move all the way
up to like headphones musical instruments business and industrial
supplies oh now you're talking six percent and you can get up to ten
percent for men's and kids private label digital
video games luxury beauty amazon coins and amazon fashion women
are there any tr uh twitch streamers in the like the beauty cosmetic space like
they're on youtube um you know what to be perfectly honest with you i
have never watched a twitch stream
outside of tuning into luke's with like it muted to kind of talk to his chat
i don't really i don't really get it okay yeah well i'm old and stuff
so like i'm i'm like i'm like shaking my cane on the front porch like old man
style like my kids are going to be like yo i watch you know whatever
gamertron person and i'm going to be like
go outside go kick a ball like
go go go just do anything anything but that but i'm gonna be wrong and those
people are gonna be like the the superstars of that generation and it's
and it's i'm gonna be old and i accept that so there you go
at least you're still saying going to be old
yeah i don't know i'm 31 now i feel pretty old
um all right so let's uh have a look at our
next topic here oh yeah wait did we go through like
what's different about it really apparently the commissions will be
available to 22 000 twitch partners i
really think it's just the widget i think the 23 000 partners might just
be the number of partners they have like partners is just like creators who have
signed up or streamers who have signed up for the affiliate program yeah no it
depends because um yeah there's different tiers of twitch
partners that's something that i do know because i know that luke even though he
like doesn't or at times hasn't met like certain partner requirements as a
partner and then like i think we are even though we definitely don't meet the
partner requirements so like us yeah so it's a little bit complicated
all right but as far as amazon's concerned this is kind of just their
their version of youtube you know how amazon touches everything right
prime is their netflix they've got grocery now this even though this is a much much
smaller version of a video platform what did it say they
have 10 million viewers a day crazy
but compared to youtube is nothing so
speaking of nothing let's say your phone had nothing on it
in terms of storage this is pretty cool uh sandisk just launched
their largest ever micro sd card
but wait it's exactly the same size as the other
ones you mean it's still micro
how else would it fit in the slot come on you guys clearly we meant the
capacity it's in it's the largest ever it costs 250
dollars but if you for whatever reason
felt like you needed to carry around like what would that be that's like
what 15 blu-rays worth of data
if you need if you felt like you if you had a phone that was capable of playing
back like i i don't even know can you do that can you play back like an mkv on a
phone i guess it's probably possible like there's vlc
are they powerful enough yeah i mean do they have uh hardware decoding for
that not sure actually Android oreo might i
know that oreo just added some new codecs like from sony there was a so a
proprietary sony codec that oreo is supporting them it would depend on the
hardware though so it would be if the uh if the adreno GPU has like hardware
decoding for that quality of h260 i mean probably
people are probably correcting me in twitch chat but yeah i guess there's probably no reason you couldn't play
back full quality blu-rays on your phone plus a lot of phones are getting HDR now
other than that it would be really stupid um because
honestly on a phone screen it is pretty hard to tell the difference between like
a decent 720p video stream and like the highest quality that you
can stream on plex let alone like a full blu-ray quality but here's the question
that was on my mind when i read this headline yeah i kind of thought
big deal like can't they release a headline like this every month like is
this just an incremental upgrade because these you know just like uh processing
power like these things are just on up and to the right at all times yes and no
i mean it has slowed down even in the time since Linus media group was founded
all of this stuff has slowed down significantly i like it used to be that
you got a new like doubling of hard drive capacities it felt like every few
months and you know in the okay so here in the time
since i've been a pc enthusiast so it must have been around 2003 2004
when you went to the store and bought like a decent sized hard drive it was
120 gigs well i remember the first computer that my family bought it was 30
gigs okay so in 2003 2004 like an
enthusiast would run out and buy a hard drive that was anywhere from 80 to 120
gigs and you could get higher ones but they were like pretty pricey
okay when Linus media group started that was 2003 that was 10 years later 13. it
was um about 3 terabytes
since then so that is that is what an a
factor of what so times 10 times 3. so that's 30 times the size in that 10
years so since then we've gone from 3 to 12
so we've managed to 4x and it's been almost 5 years
so think about that well i actually catfished you a little
bit because the answer to my questions in the show notes because
this new 400 Gigabyte card is going to be the new world record holder for this
format and the previous holder that they're
displacing was
samsung who had 256 gigabytes yep and that's just last year but it had been a
little while so that's something that you might not be factoring in and
uh honestly i think the bigger deal for mobile storage for for flash cards is
really going to be a speed increase versus just continuing to ramp up the
capacity because we've got standards like um
shoot what's that uh there's a new super small card standard
i it's it's escaping me right now but we've got standards coming that are
going to perform much more similarly to a full speed SATA drive or even a pci
express drive and this card sure 400 gigs but it only
copies data at 100 megabytes a second so it would actually take a really
really long time to fill it up like i don't it's not like you could use your
phone as like a super high speed you
know um external drive for your laptop
when you're on the road and you're video editing or something like that not at those kinds of speeds no that's bunk so
i don't really understand what you're gonna be keeping on it unless it's something ridiculous like oh i need to
carry my blu-ray collection with me yeah eventually this is just gonna be your
your way way way cold storage backup this is your amazon glacier
micro sd cards microsd cards yeah yeah i got the whole business here amazing
amazing amazing storage density
don't mind that the cost is just completely uncompetitive with tape don't
worry about that also the the incredibly complicated controller we need to access
you know what i mean what would that be that would be like
you know a thousand micro sd cards in the space of a single tape drive
cartridge like
what what controller is that because you'd basically be looking at like us an
incredibly complex SSD controller by that point
um all right what else we got for today what else is interesting talk about this
orbee touch stuff uh yeah sure like i normally organize
the show notes with more boring things or niche things at the bottom and this
is pretty close to the bottom but i feel like i'm here and
i think it's kind of cool sure like the screenshot is in the show notes so we
should just open it that way so basically
we've been on like this wonky keyboard kick for a little while
hey i just work here yeah
so i've done like three um alternative keyboards we did the advantage two which
is an ergonomic one then we did the safe type keyboard which is just a more
obscure ergonomic keyboard and now we've
done the orbi touch which is coming up on the on flow plane and on youtube soon
so the orbee touch is a keyless keyboard it's got these two domes that you move
around in a coordinated fashion the process is called chording so
basically there's i think eight or so different clusters
of letters on the one hand and i you point to one cluster and then
with the other hand you specify which symbol in the cluster you actually wanna
do sounds like a cluster to me
okay but beyond the actual keyboard the company's actually ported this same
typing method to vr and while the keyboard is aimed at
people who have low finger dexterity in vr it's actually probably just the
better way to type for everybody right because you just uh you just gesture
for which key you want to press unfortunately your link doesn't work
because you linked to your own inbox oh i didn't know that worked that way yeah
no that that that's definitely just show my inbox but
i'm not logged in you have the keys
sort of go to lastpass get my password go to my email no no i can't i no i
don't i don't have your lastpass information that's not how lastpass
works i actually can't look at what you store
in it without locking you out
so maybe i'm using it wrong i shouldn't put that in there
anyway the point is everyone has everyone who's used vr has
probably felt a little silly holding these kick-ass touch controllers
and then using them to like laser beam
a a letter on a key yeah it's actually really inefficient and the worst part
about it is that whenever you're pointing out a letter when you pull the
trigger it like moves your hand a little bit so typing with any kind of reasonable
speed is actually pretty difficult and fatiguing i mean if
you're the if you like to like tom cruise and always hold your touch
controller out like that instead of brandon leeing and holding it close to your body you after all that typing time
your ARM's gonna get tired you know speaking of your arms getting tired
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all right moving on i fix it so i fix it
do they really need an introduction at this point probably not but we'll do it anyway hey alex can i have that ifixit
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anti-staticking thank you bixby i wasn't talking to you i messed with this thing
for a second what bixby yeah no this thing um
as a noob i have found two things in particular that i like about this
yeah we actually hired a noob as a writer like
never built a computer before this is kind of a yeah well i was going to kind of get to that but it's kind of a funny
story from his interview um i one of the questions that i asked
every interviewee was um tell me about some projects that
you have on the go right now so Anthony one of the other writers that we hired
at the same time he's like oh yeah well i've got all these like uh retro
consoles that i'm uh repairing and like soldering back together um alex tells me
about his like dune buggy like creation from scratch
team that he participated mad max probably shoots potatoes at the size
yeah james is like i built my own computer that's no that's
not what i said i said okay well what do you mean like building your own
computer and you said uh actually i would consider that to be
pretty basic and i was like oh
okay hopefully make it to the next round
yeah so somehow somehow you ended up around here okay so given that perspective yeah
i was blown away by the fact that this puppy spins because then you can just
hold it in one hand and as you spin you don't have to reset your hand that's that's just amazing
there's so many people face palming right now and tool of the week this
puppy is this the spudger uh i actually you know what i'm gonna confess they all
got cool names i can't remember which one's the spudger i think it's the black
pokey one i'm pretty sure whatever this is called
i'm just gonna give it a new name right now uh i don't know the unboxing but i use
this this is the spudger you're gonna get us in trouble with every sponsor
oh why do i let you come on the show live i was talking to the ifixit ladies
at ltx and we were making all sorts of good names with these things this should
this is a pokey anyway this is great for opening boxes a
lot of people who work here just have not like knives on their keychains like Linus does tyler does they unbox things
all day i haven't gone to that level yet because i'm a minimalist
on my keychains i actually have a separate keychain just for my car key
and the key that unlocks this office that way on the weekend i don't have to
have those extra two keys that's how
much i hate things being in my pocket so this thing is awesome for just opening
up a new box of fans love it totally worth the price of
admission all right well i'm sure that uh most of
you will find um over at ifixit.com lineup 60 bucks i'm
sure most of you will find more complex things to work on with that uh speaking
of working on complex things alex are you done with that or yeah you're done
okay cool conclusion uh okay do you want to come on and join the show
okay cool all right i actually get to go home
yeah Anthony already left diddy what time is it oh wow it's six oh
well i can't make you during the show but if you want to then you can
otherwise i'll just sit here and be a show all by myself bye everybody yep see
ya goodbye i'm dc right oh how do i make this
fine so alex um do you did you want to have do they
know who you are i don't know if they know who you are i think some of them
maybe i'm not totally sure yeah alex says uh alex is a toronto blue jays fan
apparently i actually didn't you watch baseball when they get into playoffs yes okay so
you're a typical so you're a typical canadian baseball fan yeah
it's like well we've only got one team and uh
gee 182 games is a lot to watch in a year so
yeah i'ma just yeah
i'd say the same about hockey but being a toronto fan like then i wouldn't watch
a game in like the past 20 years so are you a toronto fan yeah
what it's the closest team well
montreal is the closest team montreal is evil though not to mention
that like anyone else is the closest team to being worthy of your fandom i
mean that's a factor as well they're just toronto
i don't know i wanted to be a rebel everyone in my household is a montreal
fan and i was just like you know what no i'm being a toronto fan and stir things
up all right well speaking of fans these uh these cpus are definitely going to
need fans because they have a lot of course wow that was a great segue i still got
it baby so this was posted by ezzy on the forum and the original architect is
oh architect articles from over on a non-tech Intel launches xeon w cpus for
workstations so
there's some good news here um the good news is i guess that now on the
workstation you can get support for up to 512 gigs of ecc so that's error
correcting memory um
it goes all the way from 4 cores to 18 core line to 18 cores in the xeon w
family so i guess that's cool um extent so extended memory support v
pro uh Intel's amt
standard reliability service ability and availability features
so it's good in that there's like a higher end workstation platform but it's
kind of sucky in that basically Intel has gone from
quite a few generations ago where lga 775 and 771 were pretty much a
little piece of tape apart and you could kind of like mod one
two to the other and you could pretty easily run sort of workstation
chips and in uh mainstream boards and vice versa to now this requires an
all-new chipset um and we've got sort of
their their enterprise server xeons we've got
consumer and then we've got this in between and there's not a lot of
interchangeability in spite of the fact that there's really no compelling reason
for why that would have to be physically
yeah like 1366 you could just take an i7 and plop in and on and like
it wouldn't even matter right yep in fact um
i mean running server grade processors
in consumer motherboards is something that i have personally done like back in
the day uh with my opteron 165 on socket 939 the great thing about the operon 165
is that it was it was a good value because it ran at a super low clock
speed but by putting it in a consumer board you could overclock the stuffing
out of it and you could get great performance per dollar this is just
artificially locking down the performance per dollar that's
available and just you know there you go with that
said i don't think there's really any i think it's like okay i guess Intel's
other behavior over the last little while has made it less of a factor
because it's not like anything that's not an x or a k skew is overclockable
anyway and these chips are going to come in more expensive than the equivalent
core i9s anyhow so there would be other than the second hand market no
compelling reason to go and buy one of these if you don't need ecc memory
support well also there's that they just have
is it functionally any different than i-9 or they're just locking you out in many
different ways for different markets no it actually really doesn't look that
different so if you go ahead and have a look at the line up here let's go ahead
and go down so here you go here's how they're differentiating it there's
expert xeon scalable so this the equivalent used to be the e5 2600 so
this is what we would have used for projects like seven gamers one CPU in
like dual socket motherboards that kind of thing xeon w
is uh what would have been e5 1600
and then xeon e3 is entry so this would
probably be what would have previously been like lga 1150 11 5x xeons uh where
you don't actually get like the quad channel memory or anything like that you just get ecc
so uh avx five twelve acceleration
up to uh yep okay so yeah pretty much you get a four
a couple four cores a couple six cores an eight to ten 14 and an 18.
one thing i don't know is how these bass frequencies and turbo frequencies
compare to the core i9s and pricing is still unclear but what we can at least
kind of figure out is that this looks pretty darn similar
to the 7900x and it is another 440 dollars for pretty
much those um you know enterprise features and ecc
memory well in fairness the and you don't get overclocking anymore
i'm assuming 2125 actually doesn't look that horrible
yeah but why would you buy a quad core at 400 this is basically what a uh
well how much is a 7700 a 7740k
right and the 7740k can be had for cheaper
than that and it's overclockable and i wouldn't run out and invest in
this kind of like an lga 2066 platform
for a quad-core processor that's just like
kind of dumb yeah it's like not too bad if you're
in a situation that you're never going to have yeah
so that's kind of where we're at on that um actually oh this is cool so uh ian
from anontec went ahead and did a little comparison chart here so 17 here's a
comparison between the top skews on each platform so the super high-end one
um which actually now gets a new socket so
that allows it to have more cores more
PCIe thread up excuse me no no more PCIe
lanes but far more cores up to 28 cores
and 56 threads and six channel memory
um that one's going to cost you anywhere from 10 to
thousand dollars for example the price 81.80
and then on the sort of the high-end workstation slash high-end desktop
platforms you're looking at two thousand dollars tbd but if i had to
guess i'd probably say around three grand or 3 500 you get a few more PCIe
lanes so the same as the very high end zeons and then you get very similar
clock speeds actually a little bit more on boost a little bit less on bass
and a lower TDP and then
more memory support and registered memory support so
yeah i can uh i guess that's the thing why don't we
move on yeah but are we still on Intel uh yeah core
i7 8700k benchmarks have been leaked
uh this was posted originally on the forum by i'm not sure james forgot to uh
forgot to put that in oh i wish i had gotten to this one when he was here this
was posted by raven shrike on the forum and the original article here is from
wccf tech goodness
so this is a really really
interesting tip because word on the street
according to you know the leaked box art here
and uh the leaked benchmarks here
is that per core clock speed and performance is going to be pretty
freaking similar to the CPU that it's replacing the 7700k
except that it's gonna have six cores on what will presumably be a similarly
priced mainstream motherboard and chipset platform
six course mainstream
i'm excited Intel ran out and finally delivered us a high-end desktop platform
worth writing home about and then went and made it irrelevant to
the vast majority of consumers for whom six core is like definitely
super enough um only a few months later
it's exciting it's a great time to be alive uh what do we got here what are
the leak specs um so it's a 3.7 gigahertz space
frequency with boosts up to well the only really interesting one is
4.7 gigahertz on one core so you think that's the only interesting one i am
going to argue with you i think the 4.5 gigahertz two core boost
is actually more important with how many games these days true are taking
advantage of two cores that's the same as the 7700k isn't it
uh yeah i think so but the the word on the street though is that we're looking at a 10 ipc improvement
so this thing could show up and absolutely kick the
stuffing out of the computer that anyone who any
chumps out there who ran out and bought a 7 700 k
it could be like the old days where every generation we had this deep
buyer's remorse and we felt like there was actually enough of a performance
improvement to be worth going out there
and buying a new one so word on the street is that it's going
to cost 350 bucks when it launches
but with a 10 ipc improvement
similar clock speeds so you're looking at 10 faster right out of the gate
plus that it could be up to 50
faster in heavily multi-threaded benchmarks
and applications i mean this thing could show up and be legitimately like 140
in the real world 140 150 percent the speed of a 7700k in something like video
encoding and i guess also that's really bad news
for AMD because that's kind of
their buttery zone right now where they're like we have many cores it is
going to put some pressure on ryzen 7. with that said
i mean AMD has shown a definite
willingness to roll up their sleeves like they're rolling up the sleeves all
the way to the point where like you are so white oh my god
roll up the sleeves all the way to the point where uh
there's no sleeves left anymore when it comes to adding more cores to cpus just
because yolo and also they probably have a lot left over like in the tank verizon
like hopefully as they continue to improve it
we'll see just generally it being better well when
uh when jim keller left AMD so he left
for tesla if i recall correctly so he left AMD to go to apple then he left
apple to go back to AMD to like rescue them as far as i can tell and then left
to go to tesla AMD made it very clear that his departure did not mean the end
of the zen architecture zen 2.0 is already mapped out is my understanding
so uh we already went through that topic we
already went through that topic we already went through that topic uh galaxy note 7 owners will apparently
get a massive discount on the note 8. so that's cool goodbye nick bye nick
oh i was so upset about this topic this was posted by minnie beats on the forum the
original article here is from pc gamer you guys should go check it out why are
you upset by that one i'm upset because it never got released
i liked the NVIDIA shield portable
really and a prototype
all right choose your choose your words carefully mr enjoys being employed here
i just never really saw the appeal of it what's not to like it's a it's a
handheld console that plays Android games and that
streams your pc games
so Android games are never great and pc
games are only best played on a pc
what about pc platformers yeah what about okay i played through
all of tomb raider on the NVIDIA shield
whole game never felt like i was having a bad
experience and the graphics were freaking awesome because it's a portable
platform okay but
and you can't i did not enjoy tomb raider at all i like played a bit if it was like
gta 5 yeah there fine gta 5 who cares
any game that plays well with the controller played great
on the shield portable and uh basically yeah they this
prototype which looks like it has some seriously awesome improvements uh
smaller bezels that was like one of the only things that i really felt like had
to be fixed uh they changed some of the button placements it looks a bit more
ergonomic um oh man
just one prototype made it into the wild and
that's it i even sent like and i shield
portable was something that i would send fairly frequent sort of pings to our
NVIDIA rep about like hey when you guys like doing a thing that's a new thing because
like there's kind of an old processor now and they just never replied and
never replied and it made me sad uh screen was apparently
brighter uh shut down instantly instead of taking a couple seconds
and um yeah so i'm sad apparently nobody else
is sad yeah i couldn't care less really
well thanks
uh speaking of things that uh we couldn't care less about actually this
does seem kind of important youtube begins isolating offensive content
this week they won't be able to run ads or and
this is interesting be shared on other websites
so google announced this in june that they would begin isolating youtube videos
that weren't directly in violation of its standards but contained
controversial religious or supremacist content
so the videos that fall into this category aside from not being able to run ads or
be monetized won't have comments disabled and may have a warning screen
appear before they play this is meant to curtail engagement and minimize the
video's reach so creators affected by the policy will
receive a note and will be able to appeal the decision if they feel like
the restrictions are unwarranted
i guess first of all how do they flag it because i know
their last role went horribly a lot of people got falsely flagged yeah
so if they're able to improve that a bit that's an improvement i guess but let's see how
it goes is all i have to say about that
yeah i don't have high hopes for that and what was the other thing that i was
going to say about this it also seems like it's going to have a
lot of people that are just saying like oh they're just trying to like hurt my
free speech and then they might almost get more shares out of being like my
free speech is hurt as opposed to
just not being no one really caring
all right so let's move on from that to something completely uncontroversial
i just wanted to check i haven't checked the document yet do you guys have the juicero news in there did you cerro news
no no uh oh i did hear about this though i
thought you know what i think james specifically asked me if i
wanted the juicero news in here oh they're shutting down um
and i specifically told him yes
i don't know how to spell juicero g-u-i-c-e-r-o
i think you mean j-u-i but sure j-u-i okay so yeah no he didn't put it
in okay so hold on let's go grab let's go grab an article here here's the
verge's article uh juicero is shutting down
um apparently they're trying to get bought
so that's pretty cool i'm so surprised that they're shutting
down said no one ever um all customers
have up to 90 days to request a refund for their purchase of the ducero press
regardless of when they bought it uh employees are being given 60 days
notice um
so like have you seen the insides of one of these those it's like super
impressive the like level of over-the-top engineering is
like insane it's like they gave someone like their first engineering job and
they were like make it the best and instead of them
like doing anything besides making it the best they only made it the best
it's i like the aluminum is like this thick and spot it's crazy
there's no purpose for it to be like that and they must be losing heaps of money but like if these are all just
going out if you're like a creator or like you like mod things just pick one
up like off the side of the road it will like there's amazing stuff inside of it fair
enough all right here's something uncontroversial equally uncontroversial
the pico goblin the ultra portable first fully
untethered vr headset their claim to fame for this thing is that it doesn't
require a pc it doesn't require any cables it doesn't require a phone
nothing mind you i could have designed the pico
goblin by taking some double-sided tape
and a samsung gear vr or google cardboard
and taping them together because to say that it doesn't require a phone
and then tell me that it's running a qualcomm snapdragon 820 CPU with a 5.5
inch 2560 by 1440 resolution display 3g
high speed connectivity um doesn't say how much but lp ddr4 RAM
16 gigs of emc 5.1 rom
and a 3 500 milliamp hour battery
is basically like telling me that you guys engineered a phone and then
glue the headset to it it actually sounds a lot like the specs
for the lg g4 specs for every phone ever
with that said it's cheap so it's available for pre-order for 269 bucks if
you wanted a craptastic vr experience
because unless it's tracked outside in right now
we are not there yet but where we are is at the end of the
show so alex unless you have you looked like you were going to say something
no okay all right i'm rolling the out trail
goodbye people they can't hear you there's music um pretty sure they can still hear us
yeah it's just and some people complain
i don't know i kind of like it g4 was 808 dude not even close
so yeah why don't you just get crapped on right there
does anyone actually care about the snapdragon processors though um
yeah like they matter a bit but they're all kind of the same thing well like
they're they get faster i guess so yeah yeah