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The WAN Show - NO MORE TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES!! - September 11, 2015

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0:03 That could be a problem.

0:07 Welcome to the show. I just realized something potentially horrible. We've

0:11 got some pretty good topics this week. There's the R9 Fury Nano. I hate

0:17 you. I have had enough problems in the last half an hour. That could be

0:22 horrible, actually. Which I'm blaming Luke for it this week. He loves He loves

0:28 talking about how the show always starts when I set it starts on time when I set

0:32 it up. And I was like, "Okay, all right.

0:35 Well, then I came in. I was like, "Okay, Luke, go set up the WAN Show cuz I'm

0:39 working on a build log." And he already finished his video for the day and he's

0:44 like, "Yeah, okay." So, I come back 20 minutes before showtime and I'm like,

0:48 "The W show is not set up." And he's like, "Oh, well, Brandon was ironing the

0:52 tablecloth, so I couldn't work on it till he was done."

1:00 What? Well, I'm going to I'm going to let them

1:03 be judge, jury, and executioner over here as to as to whether as to whether

1:08 that is a good enough excuse because the the everything was actually in place. It

1:12 was just off the table and not configured. No,

1:16 to be fair, it actually was configured because of last week and I plugged

1:20 everything back in and your fancy they always work blackmagic cards obviously

1:25 didn't work. Oh, my fancy Blackmagic always No, they never work. You told me

1:30 last week you were like just plug everything into Blackmagics. They've been working for a long time now. And

1:34 this week you said the same thing and both times they didn't work. The Black Magics had been working for a long time.

1:39 That is true. But the actual problem we've run into is that our never

1:45 fail averia cards have stopped working.

1:48 I've never had the U3 work. Really? Yeah. Oh, the U3's been great for me. I

1:53 No, I've been carrying it around in my backpack. Wait, this is the U3, right? Yeah. Every time I stream on the Blade,

1:59 I'm using the U3. Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's been great. The portable or

2:02 whatever it's called is the one that always works. Okay. Now, the problem with the U3 for me, it all comes back

2:08 down to freaking micro USB 3.0, it is

2:14 the worst connector on Earth. And you

2:18 know what's funny is a lot of people will run around and defend it. They'll

2:21 say, "Oh, well, you know what? It's actually rated for X number of

2:24 insertions." I don't care how many insertions it's rated for. That is

2:29 meaningless. You know how many How many insertions I'm rated for? Lots. You know

2:34 how many manufacturers ever implemented micro USB 3 on a phone? One. You know

2:40 how many times they did it? Once. Because that was enough. And actually,

2:46 most people that I know, also known as one person that I thought that was your

2:51 phone for a second. I was like, whoa. Oh, I love my phone. Whoa. Uh, the only

2:55 person I know that has that just actually uses just micro USB normal

2:58 anyways cuz they lost their cable. like, "Okay, speaking of losing your cable,

3:03 that one actually uh if you don't use the cable included in the box, I tried

3:07 literally every single other micro USB 3

3:11 cable that we have in the building uh when I was having trouble streaming two

3:15 weeks ago, and none of them, it's like

3:18 it's slightly non-standard. The contacts are slightly longer, so none of them

3:23 were deep enough to

3:26 penetrate. So, uh great topics for today, you guys. Uh, Apple's event was

3:31 this week. They announced a whack ton of stuff. It's um, it baffles me that watch

3:37 OS and watch got so much stage time with

3:40 but Linus 97% positive feedback rating.

3:44 U, so we'll talk about that more later. Also, speaking of 97% positive feedback,

3:49 AMD launched their Fury Nano to mixed

3:52 reviews. What else we got this week? Russia is working on Jurassic. Uh, well,

3:56 okay. It says Jurassic, but like not really. It's like Ice Age in real life,

4:01 right? Yeah. Mammoths. They're trying to bring a mammoth back to life. Cross it

4:04 with an elephant, blah, blah, blah. What's his name? Ray Romano. Ray Romano.

4:08 Romano. Thank you. Well, whatever. He's the voice of the mammoth. And I Oh,

4:12 yeah. Yeah. I don't remember the character's name. He Manny's annoying.

4:16 Yeah, Manny. Hey, you kind of said it, man. He's annoying. Manny. Yeah. Hey,

4:21 you kind of figured it out. I'm actually closer to the like stupid mircat thing.

4:25 It's like, speaking of stupid Nintendo, is that such is that a clear? Is that a

4:28 straight Hold on, hold on. I got to No, no, no. I got to interrupt you. That's such a good segue. I know you did really

4:32 well, but but I'm ruining it because that's how I roll. So, is Ice Age a

4:38 straight ripoff of Lion King?

4:42 No. You got your thing with tusks. You got your silly mircat. Okay.

4:48 You got your You got your big cat.

4:51 Uh-huh. Yeah. But the big cat is you got your love interest.

4:56 Okay. And you've got uh a uh a bird. Well, the

5:02 squirrel the squirrel flies around a lot.

5:05 And Zazu actually doesn't fly much. Yeah. So, well, no, he flies a fair bit.

5:12 I mean, there's that musical number just Can't wait to be king when he's not

5:15 being trampled or the Lion King. They like heal that part of the earth. They

5:20 heal the earth kind of. Yeah. Cuz when when okay when when the scar or whatever

5:26 takes over and is like bashing Simba's mom in the face and whatnot, the earth

5:31 around Pride Rock kind of dies. What's her name? All the plant life dies.

5:35 Nairobi. Nairobi. I don't remember. Is that a Is that a country? Maybe. Hold

5:39 on. Okay, so there's Simba, Nala, Mufasa. Nairobi sounds like a mouse from

5:43 Razer. What is her name? Nadala. Why is Nadala

5:49 coming to No, that's Microsoft's uh

5:57 Twitch chat's not telling me. I don't know. Twitch chat is not helping us.

6:02 Sarabi. Yeah, Sarabi. Thank you. Okay,

6:05 so what was our last topic? Our last highlight. Uh Nintendo are being butts.

6:10 Is that Nintendo's like the cutest, happiest, just most ignorant company. I

6:15 know. I know. Speedrunner. They slapped him in the face and everything sucked.

6:19 Well, they did. They more than slapped him in the face. Like, it's pretty brutal. Okay, we'll talk about it later.

6:23 Let's run the intro. Maybe that'll work this week.

6:27 Nope. Wow. Just Just click back and forth

6:30 really fast. New guest and intro and then slow down cuz you don't want to

6:34 stop it if it actually works. What are you talking about? That worked for me both times last week. That worked for

6:39 you? Yeah, because the problem is it's not actually properly loading. It's not

6:43 that the file is incorrectly targeted. Mhm. It's just that it's not properly

6:46 loading. So, so I just gave it multiple attempts to load and it worked.

6:51 Okay. Uh, so if I just find it the same one.

6:56 Why are all these intros in here? There should just be one intro. There. There

7:01 it is. Okay. I'm going to No, I'm going to delete the rest of them. I'm going to do it now. That sounds like a productive

7:05 thing to do on the W show. Yeah. I am actually I am using this WAN Show

7:11 airtime to make future WAN Show airtime better.

7:16 Yeah. Oh,

7:39 yay. Out loud. My stream just loaded.

7:42 It's been sitting there open this whole time. Our sponsors this week, OneUp

7:48 Ball. Whoa, that's a new sponsor. Yeah.

7:51 Linda.com, sponsor and Squarespace. Also, the

7:55 oldest sponsor. Yeah. I like comfortable

7:59 sponsor. Comfortable sponsor. When when Squarespace isn't sponsoring the W show,

8:03 it feels cold. It's like that's why I stay with my wife. It's comfortable.

8:10 Wow. Maybe it's a good thing that you might

8:13 be late tonight. Oh my gosh. Yeah, I I even tweeted this

8:19 morning. I was my because my I was on my way out the door and my wife's like,

8:23 "Are you going to be home on time?" And I'm like, "Yeah, as long as Wancho goes

8:28 okay." And she's like, "Okay, so you

8:32 won't be home on time?" And I'm just

8:36 like, "Bye, babe. See you later." Get

8:39 it? Later. Oh. Oh. All right. So, we

8:45 have a great show for you today, guys. Uh, we're not going to kick off right

8:50 with the the big Apple event. We're going to jump into Do we not have a

8:55 forum link for this one? Oh, that's weird. Wow. Nerds. That's weird. All

8:58 right. So, Android Authority is going to be our source for I'm going to move this

9:03 mouse over here. There's one of one of

9:06 the sources is called Android Authority. The other one is called Android Police.

9:10 Why are the Android coverages so like aggressive, totalitarian? Like I don't

9:15 understand. All right, so Google officially rolling out Android Pay

9:20 starting today with an update that you can grab the APK and get it going right

9:26 now. So this is their official competitor for Apple Pay. I love the way

9:31 that they really thought outside the box in terms of the naming for this. Yep. I

9:37 mean, they didn't want people to get confused, you know, AP AP when we were

9:43 like, "Yeah, I'm just going to pay via AP with my like

9:48 um, you know, wireless contacts, whatever."

9:53 The weird. I I was at a store in Seattle and they had like the ability to pay

9:58 with your phone, but they didn't have a chip reader.

10:02 Yeah. No, that's that's that's normal. So, for our American friends, um it it's

10:08 really funny. I was I was no idea. Yeah, I was at Burger King observing the

10:13 hilarity of their menu. Did you see that tweet I sent out? No. So, on their menu,

10:17 they've got like their soft drinks and their and their sides, you know, like

10:21 your French fries and they have freedom fries. Excuse me. And then they've got

10:25 they've got they've got your they got your burgers and then they have a small

10:30 part called salad and other

10:33 which includes the veggie burger. And I'm just like only in America is the

10:39 veggie burger more of a salad than it is a

10:43 burger. And people were giving me crap about this on Twitter. They're like well

10:47 uh it says other. And I'm like yeah but it's Burger King. There's a burger

10:51 category. There's a burger category and the veggie burger isn't in the burger

10:56 category. It's not This isn't This isn't a steakhouse. This isn't a Japanese

10:59 restaurant. Salads and other. You know

11:02 what was I even talking about? That's like having a list of sushi and then

11:06 being like, "No, that one's only avocado." So, that goes in the other

11:11 That goes in the other a or like rolls, right? Yeah. There you go. Because you

11:16 could put you could put the avocado roll outside of sushi. That would make

11:19 perfect sense. So, rolls. But it's like rolls and it's like well you know this

11:24 one is more it's got like ground beef in it so it's more of a hamburger.

11:28 So it's in with like milkshakes and other

11:33 No, you can't do you can't just make up new rules as you go along. I'd love for

11:37 someone to open a like mostly vegetarian

11:41 restaurant just so it can be the other way around. So it could be like salads

11:44 and then like I don't know something and other Yeah. So it would have like a

11:48 chicken salad, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, salads. Chicken salads. Um, all

11:53 right. So, it's a gradual roll out starting today. It's not available to

11:57 all of the US yet. And the Android Pay application is to fully replace the

12:02 Google Wallet app. So, you require pay

12:06 services 8.1.13 and it's available for anyone

12:10 running a KitKat 4.4 device or later.

12:14 you it's so it can support credit and debit cards from American Express,

12:19 Discover, Mastercard and Visa. So basically the ones that matter pretty

12:23 much um and while not all banks in the

12:27 US will be supporting it yet, there are some major ones on board including some

12:31 credit unions and they are expecting more and more to come on board over

12:35 time. Now, this is something that I bring up in my OnePlus 2 review that is

12:40 going to be coming out very soon, but you must have an NFC enabled smartphone.

12:46 The OnePlus 2 does not support NFC,

12:50 which is really baffling to me. Uh because not only is now Android Pay

12:55 going to be requiring NFC, I mean what Android smartphone other than the very

12:59 lowest of the lowest tier of the low NFC

13:02 hasn't had NFC not just now but for years. Oh yeah. Even things like like it

13:08 it's actually become amazingly easy for me to switch between mobile devices.

13:13 Like I used to actually not do as many phone reviews as I do now simply because

13:18 it was such a pain in the butt to get all of my information and all of my apps

13:22 and all my crap transferred. But now, thanks to things like Hangouts and

13:26 switching over to that instead of using uh apps that don't cloud sync, um thanks

13:31 to things like uh the Play Store, uh making it really easy for you to just

13:35 grab all the apps that were on your last backup of your previous phone and the

13:41 NFC transfer wizard. So, all you have to do is take your two phones, put them

13:45 together, and go enter your passwords one by one by one for all your accounts.

13:49 Boom, you're transferred. pretty much all you have to do is change your your

13:53 icons on your desktop to be in the ideal positions. It's

13:56 fantastic. Not supported on the OnePlus 2, which is just baffling. Um, what else

14:01 is there to say about There's interesting things like your credit and debit number isn't sent with your

14:05 payment. There's a secure code that isn't that code that Google will kind of

14:10 bounce around and use. So, this is much like Apple Pay. Yeah. Which is actually

14:13 really cool. I like that personally. Um, and Android Pay makes it easy to check

14:17 for suspicious activity because you can quickly check your payment history and

14:21 see where they all happened, which is awesome because credit cards suck for

14:25 that. Yep. And the other thing the other thing credit cards and cards suck for in

14:29 general is loyalty programs and rewards. Um, like I

14:35 mean I can't wait to have Apple Pay and

14:38 Android Pay in Canada for that reason alone. Like my stupid local grocery

14:44 store, Nester's Market. Ever even heard of it? Yeah. Well, yeah. Well, okay.

14:48 You're local. Whatever. Most of you, but like I hadn't. It's like rinky dink and

14:53 stupid. And many grocery stores, a Save on Foods still does this. Don't even

14:58 allow you to just give them your phone number. You actually have to carry the

15:01 stupid card. You can have an app on your phone now. You can. Yes, you can have an

15:04 app on your phone, but still stupid. And I tried to like make the app on my phone

15:09 work and I honestly couldn't. But the experience of just paying and having it

15:13 automatically track through Android Pay or Apple Pay is much much better and

15:17 will allow many of us to have thinner wallets. Yes. All right. So, let's move

15:22 on to the R9 Nano. This was originally posted on the forum by Mule. Are you

15:28 posting this in the chat? Sure. All right. Do you have it already or do you

15:31 want me to do it? I don't. You don't. I can grab it though. Just do the thing. You can grab it. You sure?

15:37 Just grab it under the table. I don't think they allow that sort of thing on Twitch. Uh, so let's go ahead and fire

15:42 up the old Well, I've got two mice in front of me, which always trips me crap

15:47 out. So, I'll fire up the PC per review done by our buddy over there, Ryan

15:52 Shrout. Um, this card this card has

15:57 generated about as much controversy as

16:01 any that I can think of over the past little while. Um, is our is our video up

16:07 on Vessel yet? Vessel. Yeah, it's up on Vessel. Okay. So, why don't you why

16:10 don't you summarize your impressions and then we'll we'll kind of talk about what

16:14 the rest of the internet thought and whether they agreed with you or not and

16:17 go from there. Okay. So, in terms of

16:20 performance, uh price performance, not very good, but

16:24 I didn't expect that from a card who's like I'm small and fast, so that's

16:29 probably fine. Um it's actual performance. So, you wouldn't expect my

16:33 performance to be good. Well, it depends on what scenario.

16:37 Okay, sorry. Go ahead. Anyways, um well, no, I wouldn't expect your performance

16:41 to be cost effective. So, you would expect me to charge a lot,

16:46 but work really well. That's a good That's fine. Anyways, so I hate this

16:52 show. So, it performed better than what

16:55 our our Fury I think I'm trying to remember off the top

16:59 of my head. I know it traded blows with the 980, which is pretty impressive. The

17:02 980 is I think about $100 cheaper, but then the 980 is like what, twice as

17:07 long, I think. So, that's actually not bad. I thought it was a really

17:11 interesting card because it's just as long as your PCI Express slot. So,

17:14 people that want to make like literally

17:17 tiny as hell computers would be able to do that because you don't have to make

17:21 it any longer than your motherboard. Uh, one thing I kind of wish they did was

17:25 make the eight pin point upwards instead of out of the card. But then there's

17:30 debate there as well because then you're making it taller instead of longer and

17:34 then it's like, okay, well, which one do you want? I kind of want taller. But I

17:38 think that's I think there's no real way to win there because this is something

17:41 that I that I actually pointed out to uh either Brandon when he was doing B-roll

17:46 or John when Brandon was doing B-roll. But what I was saying was the R9 uh Fury

17:52 Nano is actually what about a/ an inch or 3/4 of an inch shorter than our 970

17:58 Mini. Yeah. Um that that AMD is really positioning this card against as the as

18:04 the equivalent small form factor card.

18:07 And my comment was, well, hold on a second because depending on the case

18:11 configuration, these two could actually end up being the same or the NVIDIA card

18:17 could even end up being a little bit better because like you were saying, the

18:21 Nano plugs in on the end and you have to factor in that additional space taken up

18:25 by the PCI Express power connector whereas in ASUS's implementation of a of

18:30 a mini 970 has it coming out of the top.

18:34 And whether this is better or worse for you is ultimately just going to come

18:38 down to the case that you're putting it in. And to me, that really is the the

18:44 the center of the argument about the R9

18:48 Fury Nano is what computer requires this? What was

18:55 it actually made for? Did AMD run out

18:58 and make a card that no one was asking for and no one needed? Because if you

19:03 look at the way that MiniITX case design

19:07 has gone over the last uh I'd say over the last about 2 to 3 years with uh with

19:13 things like the end case coming out um things like uh that that Steam Machine

19:18 prototype that Valve was sending out. They're all designed for a full fat 10

19:24 and a half inch NVIDIA graphics card.

19:27 Like they're all that's mainly because that's all there really was. Why why why

19:31 would you make a case that can't fit graphics cards? No, no, I I get it. But

19:37 here's the other side of that is the

19:40 motherboard is only, you know, 6 in wide or whatever and the graphics card was 10

19:45 and 12 in, but we were using that other

19:49 space. That's where we're putting our drives. Uh that's where some sometimes

19:54 we're putting our power supply. So, while the R9 Fury Nano in my mind is a

20:01 product that has no place today, what I

20:05 like about it is that the Fury Nano is

20:08 the perfect card for the case that I want to exist. The Lionus Edition case,

20:13 that's what I'm saying. No one would build a case for it now because it doesn't exist yet. Exactly. So, the one

20:19 that I want is a case, and I I I pitched this to Cooler Master, and I give Nate a

20:24 hard time every time I see him that they've never made it, but I wanted

20:28 something that really was about the size of like a PS4, really small. External

20:36 power brick is okay, but the R9 Fury

20:39 Nano would be the card if we get rid of

20:43 the hard drives. So, we bail on hard drives altogether. We only use 2 and 12

20:47 in drives. The R9 Fury Nano would be the card that would actually fit if, and

20:52 they were so close on this, if they had opted for a blower type design. I'm

20:58 really, really sketched out by that

21:01 internal just scatter the air around type cooler that they went and put on

21:06 the reference card. So, you know, I I think why don't

21:11 we just why don't we hear from why don't we hear from you guys here? I'm going to

21:15 create a straw poll. I want to know R9 theory

21:20 nano failure

21:24 success cool in theory but not interested and of course

21:31 turnip and I and I really I'd like you guys to I'd like you guys to answer

21:36 pretty honestly here. I really want to hear from you because this is one of

21:39 those products where AMD is trying to

21:43 sell it not based on FPS per dollar,

21:46 which is all they've really chased for a long time now. They're trying to sell it

21:50 based on a less tangible value proposition. Like, hey, we made

21:54 something with great power consumption. Okay, yeah, it might thermal throttle a

21:58 little bit if you install it in a super tiny case, but quite frankly, what wouldn't?

22:03 Um, do you like it? So before we go

22:07 ahead and jump into the results of that straw pull, I have another one to share

22:10 with you guys. They're trying things and people hammer on them a lot for not

22:14 trying things and then they tried something and people are hammering on them for it. So like I think we kind of

22:19 need to pick one. I don't want to hate on the engineer. I mean I was I was like

22:24 right on board when NVIDIA was launching cards like the GTX 590 and cramming two

22:30 580s essentially in 6 in each. I mean, if you if you really think about it,

22:34 that's what AMD has done here. They've done the engineering work for a dual GPU

22:38 card and then they cut off the back. Nope.

22:43 They cut off the second GPU. Um, have

22:46 they laid the groundwork perhaps for a a Fury X2? I kind of hope so, cuz it it

22:53 looks like that's pretty much what they've done. But, uh, you know, you have to respect the engineering that

22:57 goes into something like that. So, does it trip you out that we're wearing the

23:01 same shirt? 35% of you say yes, 21% of

23:04 you say no, and 44% of you have thrown away your vote. Um, you know what's

23:10 really funny about the whole vote for turnup thing? Yes. Is those shirts

23:13 started shipping right around the time that Donald Trump started really making

23:19 headlines. And every time I see a vote for turnip

23:24 shirt when someone tweets it at me or whatever, it really does feel like

23:28 mocking Trump's presidential campaign.

23:31 Does it not? Are we not supposed to have some? Um, we never No, we never got

23:35 samples of that. But then I forgot to order mine this time and I actually sent

23:41 Teespring after the campaign was over. I was like, "Hey, um, so it's kind of my

23:46 campaign. Can I still get one?" And they actually sent me not one but three

23:51 mediums. Sorry. So, I'm giving one to Austin when he shows up tomorrow. And uh

23:56 and then I don't know what to do with the other one. Maybe we'll next time we have a meet up or something, I'll bring

24:00 it along. Or maybe I won't. Oh, yeah. This is a great topic. Austin lands

24:06 tomorrow. So, without without teasing too much, Austin and I are going to be

24:11 working on a collab video tomorrow that's going to be kind of a lowkey

24:16 small project. And then Monday, Tuesday,

24:20 Wednesday, next week we are filming. So not Thursday. What? Not Thursday. Good

24:26 job. Cool. Everything's fine.

24:32 Okay. So, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, next week, we are filming Scrapyard Wars

24:38 3, and it is going to be a three-way

24:41 between me, Luke, and Austin for your

24:44 viewing pleasure. Oh my god, there's gonna be so many

24:48 jokes about that. Who's going to be in the middle during the

24:55 You guys won't get that till later, but someone's going to be in the middle for

24:58 sure at one point in time. All right, so that's going to be great. Let's go ahead

25:02 and check out the results of our other straw pull. Kind of hope it's me.

25:09 You know, I think I lack the hand eye

25:12 coordination to play the middle.

25:16 I've never been like a great dancer and I think I used to be in dancing. You'd

25:21 have to have like pretty good, you know, rhythm, if you know what I mean.

25:30 All right. Oh my god. Um, so let's go ahead and screen share with me. R9 Fury

25:35 Nano. Wow. 57% of you cool in theory not

25:40 interested with another 8% of you. So, it's a total of 65% of you saying either

25:45 not interested or failure and 16% of you

25:49 saying success. And the funny thing about that those numbers is that if we

25:53 extrapolate and blend the turnup results

25:56 proportionally into the other numbers, that's pretty much the NVIDIA to AMD

26:00 market share. Yeah.

26:03 So, is it is it that AMD fans are interested or is it that should we do an

26:07 NVIDIA AMD poll? I I to see what our

26:10 audience is because that market share isn't necessarily

26:16 properly applied to our viewership. No. No. So there could be a higher AMD

26:20 percentage. It might not represent our community, which is which is a very

26:24 which is very interesting because that market share is largely what what is

26:27 that? The Steam pole that that's based off of. Uh no, I think that's like like

26:33 reporting data blah blah blah. Oh wow. Okay. Well, still it's like a real

26:37 thing. Still, a lot of those people like say you bought a pre-built or it's still

26:42 technically a pre-built if like NCX builds it for you. So, say you bought

26:46 one of those. Wouldn't more of their systems that they're doing be NVIDIA

26:49 systems? Someone like NCIX? Yeah. Um

26:53 like if if they're offering like a this is our preconfigured build that you can

26:56 buy. Are more of those NVIDIA based? you know, back when I was doing it, um,

27:03 generally speaking, we tried to keep it

27:06 pretty balanced. Okay. Um, and not not

27:10 balanced like in terms of of market share, proportional market share, but we

27:16 tried to keep it pretty balanced in that we tried to offer an AMD or an NVIDIA

27:22 graphicsbased system at each sort of tier. Okay. I'm not sure how they do it

27:27 now. I'm just wondering if there's more spotlight on it. So, if someone was just

27:31 randomly like, "Oh, I'm gonna build the gaming PC." I can I what I can say is

27:37 that NVIDIA, what can I say without saying

27:42 too much? What I'll say is that NVIDIA really has their crap together marketing

27:47 wise. So, if there was someone that we were going to collaborate with on like a

27:52 special edition painted green PC and we wanted to cross-promote and and and

27:57 coordinate a marketing campaign with back then, which is two and a half years

28:01 ago, very outdated knowledge. Someone has a good point. They have both. Who

28:06 both? Yeah. Uh, pick your daily driver rig. Come on, make this easy on us. And

28:10 he said specifically discrete graphics. Yeah, I did specifically say discrete

28:14 graphics. I could make the argument that I'm running Intel graphics on this

28:18 laptop, but come on. Yeah. Come

28:21 on. Come on. We need Nikki V. Yeah, we

28:25 need Nikki V over here to tell you guys what's up with No, we don't. We do not

28:29 need Nikki V. Come on. Yes, that was

28:32 great. Favorite part of W show 2015. It was

28:36 better than mine. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Much better, actually. All right.

28:40 So, 68% of you are saying NVIDIA with 28% of you AMD and 4% of you gaming on

28:46 the Xbox. Um, so could we live without 4% of our

28:52 audience? Probably. I think we could. Yeah. Um, but like this this this shows

28:56 a higher percentage. Just kidding. Just kidding. This shows a higher percentage.

28:59 So that means that I guess some of the AMD guys weren't as interested in the

29:04 Nano, but that's not surprising because even though small form factor is getting

29:08 much more popular lately, it's still not as popular

29:13 stuff. You guys can correct me. You guys can correct me if I'm wrong, but would

29:17 it be totally unfair for me to say that among the sort of the the higher tier

29:23 tech enthusiast community, so I'm not just talking the typical average gamer

29:28 who's going to walk into Best Buy and buy a graphics card. I'm talking the guys who are who who care about this

29:33 show and us discussing who has more graphics card market share.

29:38 Basically, what's happening that kind of thing? I mean, that's the kind of show you're tuned into. Deal with it. Um, but

29:43 would it be safe to say that amongst that crowd, there would be more people

29:47 making a graphics card decision based on something like, "Well, gee, I'd sure

29:52 like AMD to survive. Would I be willing to give up 5% FPS or would I be willing

29:57 to give up Gamestream or CUDA or whatever NVIDIA feature might sway you?

30:02 Would I be willing to give that up and support AMD to try and get them through

30:06 the hard times? Cuz it's hard times over there, guys. Yeah, like the word on the

30:10 street is upwards of 20% of their company was just basically bought. Um,

30:18 so they got a cash infusion out of it, but they no longer own fabs. They no

30:22 longer own like a freaking whack ton of

30:26 their company stock. And they just spun

30:29 off the graphics division as Radeon graphics business unit or or something

30:33 along those lines with uh um just making

30:36 ATI again. Ah, I loved ATI. I don't know why

30:41 I just did. Very few of those people are still there. I know. I hope you know

30:44 that. I know. Okay. It's just a It's just an emblem at this point. Okay.

30:50 I also back in my fanboy days. You know what's funny? I have a lot of people

30:55 accuse me of being a fanboy. I had fanboy days. I had fanboy days. I did. I

31:00 am no longer a fanboy because I I was an ATI fanboy. I was an ATI. Other than

31:04 that, I didn't really care. But I was ATI fan. I am so I am so jaded now that

31:10 everything that comes across my desk is

31:14 plastic and metal and if it doesn't impress me, I don't care if the Pope

31:18 made it. It I I it doesn't it doesn't matter. But in my fanboy days, this is

31:23 something I rarely talk about. I was an

31:27 AMD ATI fanboy. I had AMD processors

31:31 from X2. Yeah, boy. Actually, I put

31:35 those in so many computers. The Athlon X2 4400 Plus was the most that I ever

31:42 spent of my own hard-earned money. And I worked hard for that money. I painted

31:46 houses. Okay, that was the most of my

31:50 hard-earned money that I have ever spent on a single computer component. I spent

31:55 $750 or $800 on a 4,400 plus on the

32:00 launch day because yeah, on launch day I

32:04 went to NCX Burnaby. Well, first I called up my sales guy, Mr. Xenon. I

32:11 called him up representing NCX Bernabby

32:14 OG. Called up Xenon. I said, "Zenon, do

32:17 you have stock of the 4,400 plus?" He goes, "Yeah, but why would you want

32:20 that? That's so expensive." He's a good sales guy. He He was He was looking out

32:25 for my interest. Okay. I'm like, "Zenon, man, you don't understand. This is a

32:30 dual core. It's an Athlon

32:33 64, but two of them. This is not some

32:37 hyperthreading nonsense. This is like

32:41 two CPU cores, man." And he's like,

32:44 "Okay, I'll put it aside for you." I drove right down there. I picked that

32:49 sucker up, got myself a new motherboard.

32:52 Man, that felt good. And it was great.

32:56 But it was not about the fact that it was made by AMD. It was about the fact

33:01 that it was an amazing piece of technology. So, even in my AMD fan days

33:05 when I was rocking the All-in-One Wonder 9600 Pro, which I upgraded to an X800

33:11 Pro, which I upgraded to an X850 XT, I

33:14 was a little bit of a I was a little bit of a an upgrade every generation sort of

33:20 guy back then. Um,

33:23 and that's when generations were fast. Did I ever tell you about my story of uh

33:27 buying the computer built and then taking it all apart and building it again? No. Um, I I shopped around for a

33:33 really long time for deals because I was a kid and there wasn't the cash flow

33:37 wasn't high. So, I had enough money and like this was basically what I had.

33:42 There wasn't like a work for a another month and then you'll get it. It was

33:46 like work for another month and you'll have 10 more dollars. Like, no, this was

33:49 it. So, I shopped around for a really long time getting all the deals that I could, the best deals that I could, even

33:53 like trying to negotiate on the phone. And I got one place to finally do it,

33:57 but they had super super wanted to bundle in the pre-build thing, but it

34:01 was like 25 bucks and it still ended up

34:04 being cheaper total than anywhere else. Was that Addict Computers? I think so.

34:08 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, I was like, "Okay, sure." They did it. I took it home. I

34:12 took the whole thing apart, put it all back together, and then ran that way.

34:17 So, I actually had uh I actually bought

34:20 one of the components for my first hilarious. I know. They charge $25 for

34:24 assembly. They were the only store in that time that was charging $25 for

34:28 assembly. And let me tell you, I've seen computers they assembled. You got your

34:33 $25 worth. That's why I took it apart. Yeah. It was not It was not that great.

34:37 Uh my first computer, I actually bought one component at Attic Computers, the

34:42 hard drive, and I had to make a tough choice for myself. I either was going to

34:46 get the 120 gig drive with the 2meg

34:50 cache, okay? or the 80 gig drive with

34:54 the 8meg cache. Oh, they were the same price. Did I want 50% more capacity?

34:59 Bearing in mind that to me 80 gigs was

35:02 like like my computer literally had like

35:06 a 600 megabyte hard drive in it at that point. And I think I had like like a 900

35:11 megabyte D drive or like something obscene. Like I had less than I had less

35:15 than one and a half gigs of overall storage. I was running a P90. Okay. like

35:21 it was sad or like a 133, whatever. It

35:24 was like it was some it was some sadness. And um and and just to just put

35:29 that in the proper perspective, I was running a Pentium 1 at the at a time

35:35 when I was my first computer that I built for myself. I bought a 2500 plus

35:39 Barton core. Okay, so like that was some outdated stuff. I was like, "Yay, I can

35:45 play Age of Empires 2 now."

35:49 Um, where was I going with this? Right.

35:52 So, I walked out the door with the 120 gig drive and I went, "No, 80 gigs is

35:58 enough. I want the extra cash." I walked back in with the sealed drive. Those

36:02 bastards charged me a 15% restocking fee. Oh my god. On a sealed product. You

36:07 did it, too? I did it. I wanted the cash. I wanted the cash. I wanted the

36:11 cash. And I paid the cash to get the cash. Oh my goodness. What the hell are

36:16 we even talking about? What is this show? We were talking about fanboyism

36:19 and how we both used to be ATI fans. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Cuz I was like a I was

36:23 a pretty hard ATI fan. I used to keep all the like I'd sell the graphics card

36:28 but keep the box cuz I thought the box art was so cool. I probably have

36:32 pictures of my box nook. Okay. So,

36:35 you've never seen the old house I used to live in. Um, but out in the boondocks

36:40 of Maple Ridge, I was the only one who who had a room in the basement because

36:45 my older sister is an idiot and didn't take the basement room. I was like, "You

36:51 enjoy your attic that if you want to come home late at night, you have to

36:55 walk past mom and dad's room, pull down

36:59 the ladder." Oh, wow. And walk up. She fell out of that attic multiple times.

37:04 Okay. Like we're talking you're an idiot. It

37:09 was boiling hot in the summer. Like okay, whatever. Anyway, as a second

37:14 child, I managed to score the basement bedroom. It's a good move. The one thing

37:18 I had to contend with was the TV. Okay.

37:21 And this was back in the days when families only had one TV, and that TV

37:25 was a CRT TV, and my hearing was pretty sensitive in the high range. I could

37:29 hear I could hear the scanning gun um

37:33 firing the electrons and that was pretty obnoxious actually through the wall for

37:36 me and my mom was always watching Dennis

37:40 what's his stupid name and he's actually Dennis Miller always watching Dennis

37:45 were like asking Dennis what the name was I wouldn't ask Dennis anything um

37:50 she was always watching Dennis Miller live and it was late at night and I was

37:54 like mother go to bed or put the TV

37:57 somewhere anyway so that was the only issue I had to contend with. So, we

38:00 actually had a downstairs kitchen. The whole downstairs had a separate entrance

38:04 from the back and it was set up as a full suite.

38:08 So, both the upstairs and downstairs had access to the laundry room easily and it

38:12 had a full downstairs kitchen that we hadn't used in years. Um, so I actually

38:16 set up my gaming rig in the like bay

38:20 window equivalent to the bay window upstairs in the dining room. Yeah. And I

38:25 had on the Windows. So, we had our basement set up. So it was about 3 to

38:30 four feet out of the ground so you could have natural light in the basement. I had all the Windows covered with boxes

38:35 of motherboards, graphics cards, CPUs,

38:39 power supplies, the works. It was awesome. That's cool. And that was when

38:43 I was running like my like I think every

38:46 computer geek runs this side business thinking like I'm going to be the next

38:51 system builder. Yeah. and they buy parts with the like discount at the local

38:56 store and then they find friends and relatives and I did pretty okay with

39:01 that. Me too. Me too. I was good at it.

39:04 But um so obviously I had more parts and it's a great way to get games. Got to

39:08 try to sell people cases and fans, man. Got to convince them they need that

39:12 nicer case and they need all the fans. But I never sold anyone an expensive

39:18 cable. Not once. No. Because there's actual value to a better case in there

39:22 is actual value to cooling fans. There

39:26 is no value to a fancy HDMI cable. No, I'm sorry to all those who make fancy

39:31 HDMI cables. Yeah. Um I don't know what

39:35 we're talking about. Why don't we You know what? Why don't we jump right into the Apple event and then we'll do

39:39 sponsors or something like that. So, this was posted by Alex goes high on the

39:43 forum. I'm going to go ahead and screen share

39:46 with you guys. Apple special event. They

39:50 actually built this auditorium basically the entire thing. Oh no, no, no, no.

39:55 That's when like just you shouldn't have that much money. Just go away. They

40:00 bought like they they legit straight up bought stadium seating and installed it

40:05 to do this enormous live event. Uh this is a completely custom custom screen and

40:11 all that stuff. And you know what's really funny is the press

40:16 Wow. Wow. Wow. Autoplay. Yay. The press

40:20 that covers Apple products just blows my

40:23 mind. I'm not going to name any names, but I was just like I was I was reading

40:27 up some some on some blogs and you know getting other people's thoughts on some

40:31 of the stuff before we did WAN Show today. And this one blogger who's

40:36 talking about the event goes on for so

40:39 long about how much better it was than

40:44 previous events and how it like restored his faith in Tim Cook's ability to lead

40:49 the company and how Apple can function without jobs. understand the religious

40:53 fanaticism and I'm just like I beg your

40:57 pardon. Who cares? Yeah. Why do we give

41:01 a [ __ ] Yeah. Quite frankly, that's what I mean. Like I don't understand that

41:04 side of it. It

41:10 the it comes down to not being a fanboy.

41:15 Yeah. Look at it for what it is. Does it

41:18 matter to me that this wallet is made by

41:21 I don't even know

41:25 Swiss gear. I don't know who my wallet is made by, but I know it has like a new

41:28 Schwanstein stamp on it. No cool. What matters is how many cards it holds, how

41:33 robust it was it is. Incidentally, this one has held together incredibly well

41:38 for me. Not that Swiss gear is, you know, a sponsor or anything, but I

41:41 figure if I'm going to talk about it and evaluate it, then I might as well say

41:45 what it is. And like that's it. Does it

41:48 does it have a style that appeals to you? Great. It doesn't matter that

41:53 someone got on stage and told me about it in a really pleasing way. Grow up.

41:59 Anyway, some of the worst presenter like Okay, people are going to shoot me in

42:05 the foot for this, but like I think you shoot yourself in the foot. I think

42:08 people shoot you in the face if they don't like you. Okay, both. I'll shoot

42:11 myself in the foot while other people are shooting me in the face. Um Elon

42:14 Musk is like in a traditional sense not

42:18 that good of a presenter because he'll pause for very long periods of time and

42:23 not because he's like pausing for impact but because he's pausing because he's

42:28 formulating what he's going to say. Um

42:33 what are you doing? This has been driving me crazy all show. It's reflective. Oh, there you go. Um and

42:39 some people insult him for this because they're like, "Oh, he's slow. He's taking too long." I and many other

42:43 people think it's because he's just trying to see what he's going to say

42:47 from a bunch of different angles so that he doesn't say something incorrectly.

42:51 Um, but like he's not a traditionally

42:55 great presenter, right? I like his presenting style because it feels more

42:59 authentic, but he's not like the showman that you got out of Steve Jobs. Yep. Um,

43:07 that doesn't matter at all. No, you should buy a Tesla car because you think

43:12 it's a great piece of technology at a fair price. I can't Some police

43:16 department is getting a whole bunch of Model S's really idling, right?

43:22 Oh, that's so much sense. They will last so much longer. Not to mention they're

43:26 they're like fuel efficiency and they're fast. Yep. That's very interesting. That

43:32 would be the first police department. I don't remember who is it in the dock. If

43:35 I was on my bike and I saw flashing lights, I would actually have to go, can

43:39 I outrun this? No, seriously. A Tesla Model S can do

43:44 almost the same 0 to 60 as my bike. The acceleration is obscene. Yeah. Um police

43:50 vehicle. Not that I condone running from the police. Uh at all to be very clear.

43:56 It's just Yeah, apparently it was the LAPD. Thank you, Nick. There we go.

44:00 Yeah, that's pretty sick. And P85Ds. So

44:03 that's like the dual motor like insane ones. Sick.

44:07 Nuts. Anyways, I'll All right. So, why don't we actually talk about the Apple event for a little bit here? So, the

44:12 iPhone 6S and 6S Plus, how unpredictable

44:15 was that? Are going to be released on September 25th. The 2-year contract

44:20 rates are $1.99 for a 16 gig phone. That

44:23 is such a huge Why do we even still have those? Thank you. That is the question

44:28 we should all be asking. Apple. The

44:31 first iPhone had a 16 gig model. That

44:35 was what 8 years ago. Are you freaking

44:39 kidding me? Like the base model should be that 64 gig one. It it's just it's

44:44 the the the Okay, the difference in price. So, let's let's go let's go let's

44:49 go way back in time. Oh, fun. Let's go to the way way back machine. Let's have

44:54 a look at ncx.com.

44:58 uh back in what would it what would it be like 2007? I have no idea. I can look

45:03 up the original launch date of the first iPhone. Yeah. So, let's go let's go back

45:06 to 2007 and let's see if we can find

45:09 something in their weekly special here. I'm going to I'll screen share with you guys. 2007 June 29th. Here we go. All

45:14 right. So, what kind of tech relics will we find? I love how the site is like the

45:19 same and the banner style is the same. Like this this is honestly probably

45:23 better than what we're currently dealing with. Uh no, this is still Tom. Tom was

45:26 doing the banners back then. No, I'm not saying the banner is better. I mean the general layout. This looks actually

45:31 easier to deal with. I have nothing to say about that. Okay. So, back then. So,

45:35 so okay. So, are we getting two gigs of RAM with the iPhone

45:38 6s? Can you find that out while I go ahead and look at some of this pricing?

45:42 So, back then 2 gigs of memory cost you

45:46 $283. Back then, a 24in widecreen cost

45:50 $890. Oh my. Um, but what I really want is a

45:55 320 Gigabyte hard drive. Is that an original G15? Yeah, that's the G15. If

46:00 it cost that much, I would buy it now. I would buy so many of them at 8925. So, a

46:05 320 gig hard drive costs

46:09 $130. And it looks like an

46:12 SSD, excuse me, doesn't even merit a

46:16 spot on the front page. Are you kidding me? Huh?

46:21 Okay. Well, we might actually have to go not quite as far back. Let's try let's

46:26 try August 2008, shall we? Or apparently

46:29 two gigs of RAM.

46:33 Uh, what? Apparently, it is two gigs. Okay, so they finally they finally given

46:38 us two gigs of RAM. All right, let's go ahead see if we can find an SSD here.

46:43 OCZ Game Extreme.

46:47 Jeez, I thought like the X25M or like

46:51 one of those cheapo stupid like when did all of that happen? Did that not happen

46:56 till much later? I So, is this just a

47:00 matter of Apple giving us far too much early on and now we don't appreciate the

47:05 generosity of their of their 16 gigs of onboard storage? No, let's only has one

47:09 gig. I I don't know. I just Googled it. It says that.

47:15 Yeah, I think there's still some uh I think there's still some debate. I don't

47:19 know if they've actually confirmed it. No, GSM Arena is saying two gigs of RAM.

47:22 I've seen a lot of rumors that it's that it's two gigs of RAM. So, I would uh I

47:26 would actually believe that. This is taking way longer than I had hoped.

47:30 There we go. Okay. So, in

47:35 200 n Wow. Eight. 200. No. What is this?

47:42 Damn it. Whatever. So, at this point in time, you could get 64 gigs of SSD

47:47 storage for $240. Since that

47:53 time, 20 $240. Can you can you run the

47:56 numbers on this? Since that time, I have no idea what I'm doing. Um, so, so, uh,

48:02 60. So, dollars, uh, gigs, gigs per dollar, dollars per gig. Dollars per

48:05 gig. So, 240 divided by 64. Yeah. Okay.

48:09 So, now you can buy a two terbte Samsung

48:12 drive. 75. All right. So, that's three

48:15 $3.75 a gig. All right. So, you can buy a two terbyte Samsung drive. You know,

48:20 let's look at the one tab. I think that's a better cost per gig. That's

48:23 about the same actually. So, uh $480

48:27 for 1,024 or 1,000, whatever. We're rough

48:32 numbers. Rough numbers here.

48:35 Two 37. No, you ran the numbers the

48:38 other way. What? It's 50 cents a gig.

48:41 It's not two. It's two. It's two gigs per dollar. Whatever the point is. So

48:46 three, what was it? 3.75. This is not a math show. Okay. To be honest, you told

48:52 me in that order. So it hasn't fallen. So I was looking for memory. It is 17th

48:57 the price today. Apple could literally be giving us seven

49:05 times the storage of the original iPhone

49:08 at the same price as they would have had to pay at that time. And I know that

49:14 doesn't factor in changing market conditions and blah blah blah blah blah

49:17 blah blah blah blah blah blah. So let's say five

49:22 times 128 gigs should be baseline today.

49:26 64 gigs should be like that's the value model, but a premium device like an

49:32 iPhone should not even have a 16 gig

49:35 model. It's embarrassing. Uh, so what else do we

49:39 have to say about it? So, the 2 Gigabyte spec for memory on the 6S is and six is

49:46 based off of a Apple employee in a

49:49 Reddit comment. Oh, okay. So, basically

49:53 unsubstantiated. Yes. Got it. Okay. So, let's talk let's talk the rest of it.

49:56 So, you pay another hundred bucks, you get 64 gigs. At least they've done away

49:59 with the 32 gig model, although that 199 one should be 32 gigs, but I think we

50:03 all know the reason they're doing this is because they don't want you buying that one because 16 gigs really isn't

50:08 enough anymore when you get 128 gigs for another $100 over that. The 6S Plus is

50:14 basically $100 more across the board for the slightly bigger screen, and you get

50:18 some additional benefits. So, the 6S Plus, once again, is the only one to

50:23 feature optical image stabilization. So, the 6S does not have

50:29 that particular feature. Uh, they're both using the new 64bit or actually, I

50:34 don't think it is new, is it? Whatever. It's an A9 chip, not the A9 Plus that

50:39 we're going to see in the new iPad Pro. So, it's an A9 chip with an M9 motion

50:43 co-processor. Um, they finally shoot 4K

50:46 video. Finally. With that said, I don't

50:50 necessarily think that Apple's been behind the eightball on the whole 4K

50:53 video thing. Yeah, that's actually a problem. Is that

50:59 That's the neighbors.

51:02 Um, do you mind going and asking them like really nicely to turn it down a

51:06 bit? Yeah. You know what it is? They're in their boat. They're in their boat. I

51:11 saw them yesterday sitting in their They're way too baller. They're sitting

51:15 in the speedboat. Why don't they sit in a speedboat in the water? Why don't they

51:18 take the speedboat out? Yeah. I don't know. It's beautiful today. Um Um

51:25 So it seems okay now. Okay. Snoop Dogg

51:29 turned the beat down for us. Okay. So So

51:32 anyway, um sorry. So the six the uh the

51:36 the 6S Plus once again is the only one

51:39 that features optical image stabilization, which is kind of a bummer

51:42 for people with small hands. And they both now have 3D touch or force touch by

51:48 another name. Actually, this same Apple blogger, and I'm probably revealing too

51:52 much now. If that person is watching, which I'm sure they're not, um, they're

51:56 they're going to know who I'm talking about, but compared 3D Touch to

52:01 shortcuts on a

52:04 keyboard. No, it's a right click. Only

52:08 an Apple user would not recognize this as a right click. You access hidden

52:13 menus. Okay, that's brutal. That's not a keyboard shortcut. That's a That's a

52:17 right click. I'm sorry. It's kind of a arguably a mouse shortcut. I'm sorry

52:23 you've gone without right click for so many years. Welcome to

52:30 2015. Uh, what else do I have to say here? Uh, the FaceTime camera is 5

52:35 megapixels. There's a new color, rose gold. I will be doing an iPhone 6S

52:40 review. I have requested that Dbrand send me over the rose gold model. So, is

52:44 this definitely happening call this? It's not metal. So, I don't know. I

52:48 would call this like a copper. I'd call that like a copper color. Not rose

52:52 goldy. Yeah. Yeah, I'd call that copper. So, is rose gold more gold colored? Uh,

52:56 rose gold? No, it's pink. Oh, wow. Yeah, it's just a fancy name for pink. Yeah, I

53:00 want the pink one. Um, so the the last thing is they feature their Taptic

53:05 Engine now. So basically it's it's way

53:08 way better vibration and that's what enables them to do things like their 3D

53:12 touch. Uh then the shape of the iPhone. I really don't think you want to you

53:17 know you only got to get the one point. That's like So the iPad Pro is coming.

53:21 Uh 32 gigs is $7.99.

53:26 Wow. Rough. 128 gigs is $9.49 and the

53:30 128 gig with cellular data is over 1,000.

53:34 It features a 12.9 in retina display, although that is one high resolution 5.6

53:40 megapixel display. It features 10 hours of battery life, an 8 megapixel eyesight

53:44 camera. Although this is going to be a whole new level of of what what are they

53:50 called? Pad holes. Pad holes. Yeah. I mean, taking a photo with an iPad.

53:54 Walking around with a 13in device. Someone at Pax Prime that is basically

53:59 this. Okay.

54:02 Someone at PAX Prime wanted to take a selfie with me with an iPad and

54:07 apologized probably like five times. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. And he was right to do

54:11 so. Right to do so. Um, it features

54:16 their third generation 64-bit A9X chip.

54:20 Uh, it's got AC wireless with MIMO blah blah blah blah blah blah. Touch ID is a

54:25 nice thing to have. The keyboard accessory. Yeah, the keyboard accessory

54:29 is straight out of Microsoft's playbook. Oh my goodness. And the amazing thing

54:33 with that is someone made a web comic. I retweeted this, so you can check that

54:36 out if you're interested, but someone made a web comic basically going uh like

54:41 people were hammering on uh Microsoft for their touch cover kind of thing. And

54:46 then I think the web comic said that

54:49 like, oh, you guys say it's stupid now, but you'll have it in three years. And I

54:53 think it's exactly three years later and they now have it. Here we go. Yeah. Here

54:57 we go. So, the uh the the credit here

55:00 goes to uh Joel

55:03 Watson. Here we go. So, we've got uh

55:07 Steve Balmer no longer in the picture. We call it the Surface. Boo. Your iPad

55:12 sucks. It's not an iPad. It's a Surface.

55:16 Suck my surface. The surface of my Well, that's the dword, but uh anyway, so he's

55:21 like, it's got a kickstand. Your iPad still sucks. And that this is so funny

55:27 is like WWDC 2015. So he's off by like

55:31 what? Six months. Yeah. We call it the Smart Cover Touch and we think you're

55:35 going to love it. You invented that? Yes, we did.

55:40 Fantreingastic. I love it. With that said, I'm not going to give Apple too

55:45 much crap about, you know, um I just

55:49 think the comic's funny. Yeah. copying copying the idea of uh you know folding

55:55 keyboard or whatever. It's not like these haven't existed for an awful long

55:58 time. No, no, no, no. I just thought the comic was funny. Yeah, they they've

56:01 they've kind of stolen crap before obviously, but to be fair, all of these

56:04 big companies have. Look at how Microsoft started. And Microsoft didn't

56:09 invent the idea of a lowprofile freaking

56:12 folding keyboard anyway. It's not like anyone can really take credit for that

56:16 at this point anyhow. Well, someone can, but it won't be Microsoft and it won't

56:19 be Apple. Um, it's just it's just funny that the that the timing is so great and

56:24 the reaction from people is so is so

56:27 funny and Microsoft doesn't seem to mind. They're going to be bringing the

56:30 full full Office support to the iPad Pro. And speaking of support for things

56:35 that Apple Yeah, I know. Uh, speaking of support for things that Apple has has

56:40 traditionally not supported, they're finally giving us a stylus. The pencil.

56:45 Yeah. So, it's going to have all the usual the usual stylus stuff, tilt

56:51 pressure. Um, it's $100, which is

56:55 that's actually pretty Wow, that is the Apple tax on a whole other level.

57:00 Um, but it really feels like this is

57:06 Apple in a nutshell. Many bloggers and

57:09 I've actually the sty the stylus was the one I'm not calling it a pencil. The

57:13 stylus is the one that a lot of people I think are missing the point of. The

57:19 stylus to me summarizes what Apple is in

57:22 a nutshell. And I've seen a lot of people focusing on the professional

57:26 applications of a tool like the Apple Pencil, their stylus, saying, "Okay,

57:31 well, this enables this turns the iPad Pro into a a truly professional tool."

57:36 To which I say, Codswall. It turns the

57:39 iPad the iPad Pro. What? Codswall.

57:43 That's a word. It's just Yeah, it is.

57:46 Yes. Okay. So, what it turns the iPad

57:49 Pro into is Apple's typical

57:53 MMO is convincing casuals that they're

57:57 professionals because it's not a professional tool. You know what a

58:01 professional tool is? Is the Waycom Windows tablet that is a professional

58:07 tool. You know what a professional tool is? sort of the Surface Pro 2 before

58:12 Microsoft did away with the proper digitizer in the screen. Those are

58:18 professional tools. Professional tools are ones that are able to run the full

58:23 version of Adobe's Creative Suite. And

58:26 the iPad Pro could have been a cool product, but it's running iOS. So

58:32 ultimately, it's a doodle pad for cool

58:36 kids. To be fair, Microsoft is full support for Office to the iPad Pro and

58:40 Adobe is going to be supporting some Typekit compatible apps, although it's

58:44 not clear what. It could be Illustrator.

58:49 So, we'll see. Yeah, we'll see. Because

58:53 I've called Apple products stupid before and I've been proven that people will

58:57 buy it or it's been I've been pro I was

59:00 going to say I've been proven wrong and I changed mids sentence because I still don't think I'm wrong.

59:05 So, I've been proven that uh like I I

59:08 still think the I This is This is kind

59:11 of funny because it's almost like we've all admitted now that the iPad was dumb.

59:16 The iPad 1 I called it dumb. A lot of people called it dumb. I called it and I

59:21 don't know if anyone else called it this, but I called it the uncarryable device because it's too big for a pocket

59:27 and too small to justify carrying around a backpack. If I'm going to carry a

59:30 backpack, I might as well put something useful in it like this, which can do

59:33 both. Exactly. Like sometimes and not that convertibles existed at the time,

59:38 but that didn't change the fact that they were getting there. It didn't

59:41 change the fact that the iPad 1 was the uncarryable device. It's the device that

59:46 makes no sense. There's nowhere to put it if I'm not holding it. And we've all

59:50 acknowledged this now. The iPad Mini is here. I never touch my fullsize iPad 2

59:56 anymore. Not because Apple hasn't done a great job of supporting it. Not because

60:00 it doesn't still run nice and snappy and run all the apps I need, but because

60:03 it's just just big and bulky and stupid. If I want something this big, I'll get a

60:06 laptop. Yeah. Not to mention that iPad full sizes are so expensive that you

60:13 might as well pick up something with a keyboard on it. I I used your iPad 2 for

60:16 a long time and it was great. But the only reason why it was great was because

60:21 I gave my laptop to my dad and point two

60:25 is it was a glorified Hearthstone machine. That was it. The only thing I

60:29 did on it was play Hearstone. So, if you want to pay like a gratuitous amount of

60:32 money to play Hearthstone, I mean, go ahead. Uh, there was some other stuff.

60:37 Uh, Apple Watch and Watch OS. Apple is claiming an incredible 97% customer

60:42 satisfaction. Did they factor me in? Was I included in the survey? Maybe you were

60:46 the entire 3% didn't survey that many people. I I straight up I straight up

60:50 spent what was it like $800 or whatever on an Apple Watch to do my review. If

60:55 you guys think for a second that if I

60:58 spend money on a review

61:01 device and I like it, if you think I'm not going to keep using it, you got

61:06 another thing coming. That thing sits on a shelf in a box because not I nor

61:12 anyone else at Linus Media Group has expressed any interest in using it on a

61:15 day-to-day basis. It's that bad. And I even wear a smartwatch. Ed

61:20 wears a smartwatch. Do we have any iPhone users though? Yes,

61:25 Dennis. But then Dennis is Maybe Dennis doesn't know what it is. Dennis is too

61:29 shy. Where's Dennis? Oh, poor Dennis. Uh, what else we got here? There's a new

61:33 Apple TV or something. People still watch TV. Uh, one kind. But you can

61:40 watch Netflix through it, right? But do you need to spend 15? Hold on. Hold on.

61:45 Siri is integrated with it and you can search Netflix with Siri, which Android

61:49 TV cannot do. Does it even support 4K yet? I don't know.

61:55 Question. I have no idea. Not that it actually matters. You can

61:59 buy things through it. Um specs, no 4K

62:04 video streaming support for upcoming. That's a rumor. Okay, so here's the

62:08 thing. Yes, it's a Netflix box, which is great. Siri support, A+ for that. But

62:15 how much is a Shield console? Same price, I think. Yeah, I think it's

62:19 $1.99. Buy now. Let's Let's look this

62:22 up. I can't remember. You reviewed that. You're supposed to know. Yeah, $1.99 for a Shield console. I said the same price.

62:27 I think it comes with a game controller.

62:30 It streams at 4K. It has all this stuff

62:34 that Apple is claiming is amazing, like voice control. It comes with a sleek

62:38 little aluminum remote. And it's a pretty sexy looking piece of hardware, I

62:43 think. Uh so, and it does stream at 4K, which is

62:47 kind of cool. and it has support for NVIDIA game stream if you're into that

62:50 kind of thing. And I know that not everyone plays games, but why get less

62:55 if you don't have to? That was the other thing is that now now I'm really

62:59 narrowing down what what blogger I was reading is like he figured the Apple or

63:03 the the Apple TV refresh was the most amazing thing from the event. And I was

63:08 like, "Are you for real, bro?" He's like, "Yeah, it's a whole new way of

63:12 experiencing live events, some baseball demonstration or something like

63:18 Okay, maybe I'm a Philistine, but I

63:22 personally didn't think that the baseball game experience was bad before.

63:27 I thought it was just fine. And the the thing that I don't understand is like,

63:30 okay, I didn't see this part of the presentation. So, I missed it, too. I

63:33 don't know what the baseball example was, but if it was like Twitter integration and stuff, I don't want to

63:38 tweet on my TV. I'm going to have my phone in my pocket. I'll just tweet

63:43 there. Does that make me old? I don't know.

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66:05 it wasn't me. So, it must have been John. No. What? To be wife. Who else is

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66:16 what? How do you not know this? I don't know this. Wow. Rough.

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67:35 I just opened mine and was going to do it like properly. Oh, do I have one,

67:39 too? No, I said my knife. Oh, I thought you meant Oh, did they not send us both

67:43 a box? That's okay. We can open it. I think so. Give me a second. It sounds

67:47 like Dennis is literally dying. Can I see your knife? Yes. That's nice. I like

67:51 it. Thank you. Nice drop. Oh, really? Yeah. Huh. CRKT, not cricket.

67:58 Dennis, what are you doing? Oh, wow. Can

68:01 you stop lifting him? Is it after? No.

68:05 Is it Are you still live? Yeah, we're still live.

68:09 No. Put him down. It's a dragon ball. Oh

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68:17 will be no Dennis's included in your OneUp box. What else we got in here?

68:21 So, the theme this week is I think it's or this month is pixels.

68:27 Oh my goodness. Oh, sick. There's like an adorable Wolverine. I think this week

68:31 I think this month is combat. Oh, maybe that's Oops. Did I I already fixed it.

68:36 Um, this month is combat. Oh, check out the adorable Wolverine. Look, his head

68:41 moves. It's a Pokeball wristband. He can do that.

68:46 Wow. I actually am the only one who works here who wears wristbands. Oh,

68:55 no. It's okay. You can have it. It's a medium shirt. Oh, no. Okay, I shouldn't

68:59 say that. I'm going to take it. Probably. Oh, no way. What you got,

69:03 Brandon? You're right here. Okay, so Brandon's going to snipe this shirt.

69:07 Like 100% Brandon's going to snipe this shirt. No way. There's Link and there's

69:11 Splatoon. That's what that's from. It's a squid from Splatoon. Sick. So

69:16 Brandon's going to snipe the crap out of that. That's actually not bad. Unless

69:20 All right, take it, Brandon. I I got the I got the Pokemon thing. What else is in

69:26 here? I didn't see this yet. There's like a little panda Deadpool, which is

69:31 like a patch which you can iron onto something. Oh, and then there's a pin

69:35 that says you collected the August. Ah, sorry. The theme was combat. There you

69:39 go. Smash Brothers sticker. Nice. That's

69:42 cool. This is pretty sick. I like Nintendo stuff, so me over. This is

69:47 great. It's a key for all the things. Catch them all.

69:50 Sweatband. Wear it to your battles to ensure victory. Which like with the new

69:55 Pokemon app coming out. Have you seen that? The Oh, yes. That's cool. Okay, so

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70:36 coem jd1D. Yes, I I I found out um shirts

70:41 awesome. That's actually pretty sick. I love this

70:45 and it fits so well. There we go. Endorsement. Endorsement. Yeah,

70:50 according to the guidelines, we have to we have to disclose that we were given a

70:55 free oneup box and they are a sponsor of the show. So, but that doesn't change

71:00 how cool this poker You know what? I'm going to let you have it because because

71:06 I actually have the world's most rocking wristbands already. I have the uh very

71:12 limited edition razor ones that came

71:15 that came in the like the presson kit

71:20 for some like exclusive like high-end

71:24 product. So I think there's probably maybe a couple dozen of them that exist

71:28 on Earth and I have a matching pair of them. So, I I'll keep rocking those. And

71:33 not only that, but I sweat so copiously that anything with white on it will be

71:37 yellow within like 5 minutes of me on a

71:40 badminton court. That's awesome. Did you

71:44 go over all the stuff about the box? Um, what about the box? Head over to oneup.

71:49 No. Yeah. Yeah, I covered that. Okay, so Pokémon Go announced for iOS and

71:54 Android. This was posted by Skywake on the forum. This looks absolutely

71:58 bananas. And our source for this is going to be our good friends over at

72:02 Technobuffalo. Excuse me. Wow. Pokemon Go has been

72:06 announced by the Pokemon Company and Nintendo. It's a mobile title that's

72:10 being developed by Niantic, separate from Google, by the way. Now, the same

72:13 folks that made Ingress, a game of similar ilk. This sounds bananas. Okay.

72:21 So, so there is a dedicated wearable

72:25 accessory. Okay. that I think it buzzes

72:28 when there's Pokemon nearby as you're out in the regular world. Okay, it's a

72:33 smartphone game that you actually play

72:36 by going outside and catching Pokemon. I

72:40 love Ingress, but one of my big complaints about Ingress is like where I

72:44 live, it's basically not playable

72:47 because you need to have like an interesting landmark and a suburban

72:52 house isn't an interesting landmark. So

72:56 there's none of them. So it like if I lived in Vancouver, it would be great.

73:01 There's stuff all over the place. That's cool. I could play all the time. I love Ingress. It would be super awesome. I

73:06 would literally go out just to play Ingress. And I have gone down to

73:09 Vancouver just to play Ingress before cuz I really like the

73:13 game. This means they're in the wild. So

73:16 I could go hike somewhere and find Pokémon. I could just walk around my

73:19 city and find Pokémon and possibly very rare Pokémon. Because while hiking is a

73:25 popular pastime, I think the ven diagram

73:28 overlap between people who hike as a pastime and people who play real world

73:33 Pokémon is probably fairly small. Pro

73:36 hopefully cuz I want to get them rares. So hopefully this looks freaking I'm

73:41 going to go ham on this. Going to be ridiculous. You have no My brother sent

73:45 me this and I was like I'm done. I know every idea. You I have all the ideas. I

73:49 have all the What was the thing that I was in your head about earlier this week? Right. Right. He he shows me this

73:55 awesome Aperture Science hoodie, like rain jacket, like really nice jacket

74:00 that he bought um after seeing them at PAX. And uh and it's like blah. I'm

74:05 like, "How much did you pay for it?" "80 bucks."

74:08 No, no, no, no, no, no. It was more than

74:12 $80. And I'm like, "Yeah, but you can't wear your Assassin's Creed stuff anymore

74:16 anyway." And he's like, "I literally threw it

74:20 out. All my Assassin's Creed stuff is gone." And he had really nice Assassin's

74:26 Creed stuff. I did. I kept I kept spec I

74:29 kept the Assassin's Creed 4 one. Okay. I kept that one cuz that was a good That

74:33 was the one your mom got for you, right? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And like my mom got me

74:37 a hoodie uh a hoodie for the release of Assassin's Creed 3. So unfortunately for

74:43 her poor soul, she didn't know that Assassin's Creed 3 was one of the worst

74:46 games that's ever been made in my opinion, which is probably ouch, a

74:51 little rough, but I hate that game. Um, with a passion, as if you can't tell.

74:57 Um, and like I thought it was going to be great. I I bought the collector's

75:01 edition and everything, which also doesn't exist in my house anymore. Um,

75:04 it's the only collector's edition I've ever thrown away. Wow. I didn't want

75:08 anyone else to own it. Wow.

75:11 Wow. Anyway, a couple more details about

75:16 Pokemon Go. It'll be released in 2016 and uh so the the optional device, this

75:22 is so cool, will be connected to your smartphone using Bluetooth and will flash its LED and vibrate to notify

75:27 players about nearby Pokemon. Now, so cool. Imagine this augmented reality

75:33 real world Pokemon. I I tweeted that out and everyone was like,

75:39 "Holy." Yeah, cuz the trailer they like they have Pokeballs and they're throwing

75:43 them and like the Pokemon are there and stuff and like this obviously isn't going to be how but eventually maybe. Uh

75:50 what else we got here? Jurassic World becoming a reality except totally not

75:54 Jurassic but actually the and super

75:58 won't be called Jurassic World at all at all because literally has nothing to do

76:02 with it. Sure, it' be all the trademark issues. Um but anyway, scientists are

76:07 looking to clone mammoths. You know what's funny? I think this is a picture

76:12 from um a Vancouver mammoth exhibit.

76:16 Where is this? Is this in Victoria? Yeah, there it is. Willy Woolly Mammoth

76:20 from the Royal BC Museum in Victoria. That's funny. I did retain something

76:24 from that grade seven class trip.

76:28 That's awesome. That is hilarious.

76:34 Um yeah, that wasn't my mom's fault. She

76:37 asked me what I might want for that Christmas and I said that thing and she

76:42 got it. Are you back on that topic in

76:45 the chat or like blah blah blah. But you should probably introduce what the crap

76:50 you're talking about. Anyways, damn it, Luke. How many times have you co-hosted

76:54 this show? You were talking about the Oh, yeah. That's true. Cuz I guess the

76:57 archive viewers wouldn't see it. Anyways, um I guess the actual vast

77:03 majority of the viewers at the show, like a huge percentage. Anyways, um they

77:08 there's a Russian team uh that has a

77:12 woolly mammoth sample named Yuka, which is a 39,000 lb woolly mammoth in their

77:18 possession. And they're going to use that um cross-link DNA with a modern

77:24 elephant. Yeah. um to give birth to an

77:27 animal that resembles a mammoth. So, it

77:30 won't actually be a mammoth. Now, to be clear, this is a technique that has been

77:35 somewhat successful. Zebra fish and jellyfish have already been successfully

77:39 cross- linked to make glowing fish, but these are much simpler creatures, much

77:44 smaller creatures, and um everything is

77:48 more difficult with a mammal. An elephant giving birth to a mammoth and

77:51 just being like, "What?" Yeah.

77:56 Oh, because they're pretty smart. What just happened to my my birth hole?

78:05 Uh, speaking of birth holes, Amazon is

78:09 giving birth to a $50 tablet now that they've given up on

78:15 selling you a more expensive device that exists solely for the purpose of driving

78:19 you to buy Amazon products and services. Just absurd. So, they have finally

78:24 figured out if we're going to cram

78:27 Amazon up everyone's birth hole with these devices, we better be basically

78:32 giving them away. Thank you, Amazon, for finally cluing in

78:37 to that. Yes. U So, this new device will have a 6-in screen and will be half the

78:42 price of the cheapest Fire tablet. It is

78:45 intended to be a simple and effectively disposable device for straightforward

78:50 tasks like streaming video at home and shopping on

78:53 Amazon.com. At least they're being honest. Um, yeah. I mean, the thing

79:00 about this is that this can only really be successful if it's competitive with

79:04 the other like $50 7in class tablets

79:08 that already exist um from like cheapo

79:12 brands like RCA. You know what's really funny is uh this was an example from the

79:16 Wall Street Journal article here uh including brands unfamiliar to many

79:20 Americans like RCA. Yeah. What is not familiar about RCA? The other ones.

79:26 Sure. Yeah. Like uh Fanatic and Aries,

79:30 but RC RCA must be the best known brand

79:34 that has never managed to make the transition to becoming somewhat premium.

79:39 They always have been and seemingly always will be cheap junk.

79:47 Like seriously, that's their thing. No, look at brands like Vizio where they

79:51 came on the market as like we're the cheapest thing and now like there's

79:56 legit like premium really good Visio products. Look at look at

80:01 Samsung. Samsung was cheap crap at the beginning. Yeah. In fact, pretty much

80:06 every time they expand into a new category, Samsung is cheap crap all over

80:09 again until they figure it out and get better at it. It's fine. Yeah. I I mean,

80:15 there's got to be countless other examples like um someone like everything

80:18 has RCA. Yeah. Like how many people Oh,

80:22 no. That's not what we're talking about. No, no. RCA, the brand that made like

80:27 really bad CD WMAN wannabes. Yeah. Yeah.

80:30 Yeah. Oh, man. They were awful. Mhm.

80:34 Maybe they're just not old enough to remember RCA.

80:37 That could be a thing cuz like Radio Shack and stuff doesn't really Yeah,

80:42 poor Radio Shack anymore. Uh, what else do we have? Oh, Nintendo's going after

80:47 speed runners. Nintendo, this is so trash. Can you be more cool? And like

80:51 brutalizing speedrunners. Ramata or

80:55 something like that is the OP on the forum. And the article here is from uh

80:59 from geeknack.com.

81:03 But this is just Okay, so the guy the

81:06 why Nintendo was mad is because the dude well why they were this mad was because

81:11 the dude wasn't just straight up playing. Uh what was going on was their

81:15 reasoning. Where is it? Sorry. The reasoning was he was using tool assisted

81:19 hacks or hacked ROMs of Super Mario. Um

81:23 and they slammed him with multiple copyright strikes. They took off I think

81:29 80% of his content was removed from YouTube. Basically they super wrecked

81:34 his channel and left a mark with the copyright strikes and it's Pangia Panga

81:39 by the way. So uh most famous probably for that impossible level. Um like this

81:45 guy did some like really cool

81:49 stuff. And yes, Nintendo has established

81:53 that it is illegal to use a ROM even if you own a legitimate copy of the game.

81:58 But come on, just don't be a jerk about

82:02 it. Yeah, this is pretty brutal.

82:06 There's no reason to do that. The letter that they wrote to him, they contacted

82:11 him directly and wrote a letter about what they were doing is just it it made

82:17 my stomach turn just reading it. Um,

82:20 I'll go ahead and I'll quote some of it. As the owner of the copyright in the

82:24 games Mario Kart 8, Super Mario World, and Pokemon, Nintendo has the exclusive

82:29 right to perform the games publicly or to make derivative works based on the

82:33 games. By making a derivative work using Nintendo's intellectual property and

82:37 then displaying Nintendo's intellectual property on your YouTube channel, you

82:40 have violated Nintendo's exclusive rights. Nintendo understands that its

82:44 fans are the reason for its success. Excuse me. Do you? No, you don't. Do you

82:48 actually? No, cuz I don't think you do. I don't think understand means what you

82:52 think it means. I don't think fans means

82:56 what you think it means. This would be this would we actually were talking to

83:01 Vessel recently about what's happening

83:04 with some of our content getting pulled and then posted onto YouTube during our

83:10 exclusivity period and stuff like that. And they they kind of asked us, "Well,

83:13 do you want to go with an automated system so that you guys are claiming

83:17 monetization or or pulling down content that features your videos?" I said, "No,

83:22 of course not." So much because there's

83:26 a lot of really cool derivative works based on our videos on YouTube. I love

83:30 it when people put together like montages and stuff. Yeah. Like like that

83:35 great video of the Shiaabuff green screen of him saying good just do it and

83:40 me saying don't do it. Do you have any idea how much it warms my heart to see

83:45 people taking what we've created and and

83:49 turning it into something cool? Like obviously if someone creates something,

83:53 you know, grossly offensive or illegal

83:57 or whatever else, we're not going to be cool with that.

84:01 But I'm just going to see if I can find that video because it's so funny.

84:07 Um ah dang it. I can't find What was What

84:14 was it called? Was it called R9 Fury or something? Lionus. Ah, I wish I could

84:19 find it. Anyway, it was it was really funny. Um and I don't remember where I

84:23 was going with that anymore. I watched Twitch chat. Yeah. So, as long as they're not doing something totally

84:27 inappropriate, we love that kind of stuff because that's what that's how you

84:32 guys can communicate back to us in the same medium that we used to communicate

84:37 to you. This is this is the language we're speaking. So, it's just sorry I'll I'll

84:44 read more of the letter, but it's just going to make me more upset as I go. And

84:48 oh, this kills me. They're the reason for its success and we are always happy

84:52 to see people share their passion for Nintendo's games. No, you're not. Well,

84:56 maybe you could express your happiness in a way that's not legal action against

85:00 someone. Seriously, once. At the same time,

85:04 Nintendo's intellectual property constitutes its most valuable assets,

85:08 and the unauthorized use of these assets jeopardizes Nintendo's rights. Because

85:12 of this, we ask that you please remove the video in question, except that they

85:16 didn't ask. They just had it removed. and confirm that you will not post any

85:20 videos using unauthorized software or copies of games, distribute or continue

85:24 work on the modification or take any other steps that would infringe

85:27 Nintendo's rights. They referred them to the Nintendo's creators program, which

85:31 is gross, by the way, and ridiculous, through which Nintendo takes a cut

85:35 listed as 30% for channels and 40% for per for videos of ad revenues generated

85:39 by features video videos featuring Nintendo games if he wanted to continue

85:43 his fan engagement on YouTube. They charge their fans to engage with them.

85:49 That's disgusting.

85:53 Really, really, really, really brutal. Especially cuz like how much money are

85:57 they making off of Super Mario World? And I mean like that one game. And how

86:02 many people have the technical savvy and

86:05 knowhow to rip into ROMs and and create

86:09 new speedrunning paths or or do some of the really entertaining stuff to watch

86:14 that millions of people are watching and

86:17 going, "Oh, cool. I remember that game." And dusting off their Nintendo. A lot of

86:22 speedrunning stuff is like for charity and stuff and it's just for

86:26 entertainment. Games done quick. Like isn't that whole thing a charity event?

86:30 Yeah. Yeah, Taran said from the background, Games DoneQuick is a charity event. Like, what are you guys doing?

86:35 Don't go after a charity event. So,

86:39 yeah, basically Nintendo, that was a total [ __ ] move, period. And I think

86:45 that pretty much does it for the show. Thanks for watching, guys. And, uh, wow,

86:49 we should really try to end on a happy note because I'm like super mad right

86:54 now. Um, what do you think about Mondo

87:00 Burrito? I actually truly enjoy Mondo Burrito. I

87:04 could use a Mondo Burrito right now. I'm really hungry. Yeah, me too. Positive

87:07 note. Hunger or something. I tried. See you guys next

87:12 week. Didn't work. Same bat time. Same bat channel.

87:18 The W show. We tried. You have to do the intro thing. There you go. Almost.

87:24 Oh. Uh, that's

87:31 awkward. Yeah.