The WAN Show: Unlocking Phones Legal Again! Also GTX 880 & 980 Rumours! - August 1st, 2014
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·2015-05-07
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all guys welcome to the W show that show
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once a week that's all like
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w r Where We complain about things do do
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we I I think we sometimes don't complain about things we defin
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when and
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then all right went
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nowhere that went nowhere in a hurry I mean we've been we've we've been live
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for a minute and we've already had two jokes fall completely
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flat we're off to a rough start here that was awesome okay do you want me to
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start so that you can do your long yes because I will actually do it
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right phone locking phone unlocking in the states is now actually legal and
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they now have $12 Wireless plans so that you can use selective Social Services
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not Social Services social
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there social things that are also services on your phone Social Services
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has a pretty specific meaning I'm going to call social
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services on you no speaking of Social
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Services and abuse he is getting abused
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by the Oculus DK2 which is getting like
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zero day patches like multiple times a
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day like well the different like the different games and applications and
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stuff are all updating because the backend SDK
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for dk1 went up to 0.3 and then for DK2
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support they're like you need 0.4 so a lot of things don't really work yay um
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also it uses a screen from a Galaxy Note 3 which is kind of interesting um next
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up we've got unsurprisingly GTX 880
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rumors are circulating and actually
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surprisingly GTX 99d rumors are
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circulating so we'll go through all that rumor mill stuff because I legitimately
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know nothing about either of them yay
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let's kick things off with
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Obama thanks Obama no legitimately
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thanks Obama this is very important uh so this was originally posted by JK snow
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on the Forum who has 342 posts has a
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picture of a girl wearing a lot of
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mascara like that is a lot of mascara um
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anyway more importantly right in 2000 okay I think that uh I think that that
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might actually be wrong I believe the law was actually passed in 2012 but the
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point is that there was a law passed in the US that prohibited users from
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unlocking their phones users who unlocked their phones could face prison
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time or massive sixf figure fines in
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penalties which is insane I mean it's
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insane let's look at this from the carrier perspective for a second okay so
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they sell you a contract okay so you're locked in you're going to pay them
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however much per month and you're going to use their service and you're going to
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pay it okay then they sell you a phone
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now they can either sell you the phone by itself for full ticket price or they
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can bundle it with a contract and then they can sell you an inflated contract
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price with a reduced price phone and you're subsidizing the phone with the
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contract now either way whether you
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bought the phone outright and signed a contract with them at a lower price or
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whether you bought the phone partially and signed a contract to pay an inflated
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price the phone belongs to you yeah if
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you terminate the contract you have to pay the remainder of the value of the
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phone that you own or that you owe so
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why shouldn't you have the right to change carriers well there's a couple of
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reasons number one is exclusive devices where they work out deals with phone
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manufacturers like Verizon for example being the only one with the Droid DNA
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and AT&T being the only one with the ASUS um pad phone X
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but that's not a legal thing and who
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cares and and that's not that's not a
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legal problem the government the police
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should not be wasting resources on this shouldn't be involved in this crap so
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makes no sense basically what's going on is it's effective today it's no longer
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illegal to unlock a phone in the United States you know what's funny is I
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actually ran into issues with this myself even though I'm in Canada because
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I would be seeded us version phones for
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reviews and I would say yo dog I ain't
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got no AT&T up here so I need this
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unlocked and they'd be like no can do really sorry I won't say
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who it was but someone did it but that's exactly it how are they going to enforce
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that rubbish like of course you can do it so okay the good news is that an IDI
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iotic law that never should have existed has been done away with but the bad news
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is that it actually doesn't mean
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anything this does nothing to prevent I
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I know a ton of people that were already unlocking their phones in the States
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because like you just said how are you supposed to enforce this anyways so it's
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super Dum ridiculous and this doesn't do
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anything about phones that are just enforced by the manufacturer or by
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particularly the manufacturer where the manufacturer is enforcing no unlocking like the iPhone cuz it's also not
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illegal for them to lock and protect the lock on their phone that's right so it
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does absolutely nothing um and I wish
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that this was better news than it was I've seen a lot of people really excited
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about this news and as much as it's as
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as it's at least a step backward from
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the wrong direction it's not a step in the right direction yet there are
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countries where these kinds of lockdowns
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are illegal because should because it's a consumer protection issue it's it's
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it's basically an anti-competitive Behavior to go not only am I going to
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get you to sign a contract that says you can't go with someone else during this
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time and then we're going to subsidize a phone with that even if you do want to
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break the contract and pay off the phone I'm that's a brick now so whatever dog
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and the other thing too is and aside from that even if it was mandated that
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legally they had to unlock them they're still allowed to charge you for it and
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there's no limit although hearing Canada I think the average is around 50 bucks
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yeah yeah and whereas you can get a code online
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for like six yeah so this this should have well I I wanted to unlock my iPhone
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4 and I wasn't able to yeah yeah and that funny thing about that one is that
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if I recall correctly it didn't matter
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that the phone was completely paid off subsidy wise my contract that the phone
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was tied to wasn't up because that
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contract changed because I moved from NC
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owning my phone plan to me owning it and it renewed for a new chunk so I ended up
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not being able to unlock it within the useful lifetime of that phone oh my God
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ridiculous kind of ridiculous I gave my brother my old S3 so that he could work
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with it and try and fix it and give it to his girlfriend because his girlfriend had an ancient phone anyways so he ended
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up figuring that out and wanted to unlock it so I used my unlock code that
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I bought for it when we were in Taiwan again and it re unlocked the phone for
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free free I had already paid for it but I had done this like two or three times
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already and it still worked and cost me like $6 when I did it so just in case
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you're waning on how to do it there's like a billion in one websites that can do it for you speaking of but I've heard
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that the unlocking iPhones you pretty much have to get it done through your
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carrier and it's like super crazy expensive although there's some
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jailbreaking thing that you can do but then I I think it's like a lot of work
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and a pain in the ass or something or something like that and I think his
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girlfriend didn't want that done or I don't remember speaking of bogus unlocking codes uh this was actually a
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pretty funny article I read this week it's not in our it's not in the do yeah
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yeah um so shiron Parish Jr allegedly
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scammed Apple not once but 42 times uh
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basically the trick is that you here we go hold on so it's an authorization code
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scam and it's apparently amazingly simple so you visit an Apple Store try
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to buy products with four different debit cards which were all closed by the
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respective financial institutions when his debit card was inevitably declined
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by the Apple Store he would protest and offer to call his bank except he was
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just pretending to call someone so the complaint says he would offer Apple
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store employees a completely fake authorization code with a certain number
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of digits which would normally Pro be provided by credit card issuers to
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create a record of the credit or debit override but the problem with this
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system is that as long as the number of digits is is correct the authorization
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code actually isn't meaningful in any way it's just a record it's a log yeah
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yeah so all they had was a record of him approving his own overrides you got to
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you got to wonder 42 times like this is like 300 Grand at some point do you just
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kind of go this worked really well maybe I should go to perhaps a different store
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like not the Apple Store maybe I should hit someone else change it up a little
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bit he even hit the same exact storefront twice yeah like dude I mean
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it's one of those things like hilarious Thief footage is always funny because
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it's like what kind of people b& well
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usually winners right um where they just do this amazingly ridiculous stuff yeah
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um my favorite is sorry I'm going to interject here my favorite is the guy
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that's sprinting through the mall and then runs through the glass door and
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just like Kap the glass shadow and he just slaps
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it to the ground and doesn't move and I was like wow you literally just knocked
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yourself out spectacularly good
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job all right what else we got here oh this is more more good news on the uh
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wireless carrier front um
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Sprint is going to be selling a or is selling whatever a $12 Wireless plan
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that connects to Twitter Instagram Pinterest or Facebook
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okay I think it's a bunch of ores like Twitter or Instagram or Pinterest or
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Facebook okay so basically instead of buying a bucket of data customers can
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pay less for just the app that they use
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the
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most other apps might be added in the
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future um and this new plan is only available at Walmart and the base
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offering covers just 20 minutes of talk and 20 texts but with unlimited access
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to one of the above social media
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platforms um well what I would like to see I think they had something coming
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let me just have a look I think there was something for uh a music streaming
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service as well um but the the stupid
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thing about this is that T-Mobile is already allowing unlimited music
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streaming service that doesn't count against your data plan so when you use a
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service like uh Spotify for example
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so yeah I just don't really understand
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if they enable Skype I could see people using it because you can do text and
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voice calling through that so if you wanted a really basic phone but then why
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would you need data so so yeah so the plan starts at $7 a month with uh each
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service costing $5 or $15 for unlimited
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use of all four oh there we go so even
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then though we're talking about
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2022 when you could sign with like for
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example whose run on the Sprint network and
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really just have a complete pay as you go solution like you know how their
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billing works right yeah the only thing is I always forget about Ting because we
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don't have them I know we don't have them but they are they are sponsor of
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the show and they are awesome and they are legit whenever I think about like
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planning out cuz I I still have to switch carriers or do something yeah you
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have to do something cuz I need that phone back at some point and but like oh
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my God they all suck I don't know what to do they all suck I know Ting come to
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Canada all right speaking of things that don't suck or that do suck wait here
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this doesn't suck so krych has secured a
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new source of capital to take care of itself in the longer term so this was
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posted by Pokemon trainer 4 and
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basically the whole history here so the original articles from PC Gam
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let's just fire fire this up the whole history here is that rumors were
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circulating that they were out of money and then they denied it and then sort of
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somewhere in the mix here employees stopped showing up for work and filed
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grievances about not being paid allegedly yeah and then krych came out
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and said yeah we're in a bit of a pickle not allegedly officially and then now
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basically all they're saying about this is we've got got the money um we're
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making it we're in a transitionary stage right now so we're moving from you know
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a game developer to a I don't know to to
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online publisher Someone pasted some
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other sentence in the middle of the one I'm trying to read to online publisher
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they have the funding they need uh no further details will be
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communicated radio silence and the only article I could find that wasn't from
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exactly a week ago was from 5 days ago saying they followed up and heard
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nothing so I'm guessing that's the last we're going to hear of it they are moving to be an online publisher and
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there we go so that's it so cry's not going anywhere I mean this was mostly
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like I wasn't too worried about getting a sequel to Rise Son Of Rome um so this
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was mostly a worry because I was looking at all the games that are going to be
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running cry engine over the next little bit kind of going well cry engine's
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great um a lot of these games are great and if they could keep using cry engine
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that would be great be great yeah so it looks like that's happening
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um they're going to be fine at least that's what they say but it wouldn't be
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the first time they lied I guess so I don't know what to make of any of this I
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wonder if it's a ditch effort to keep more employees I don't know but what's
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the point of keeping the employees if you can't afford to pay them anyway yeah it's true but I do wonder about stuff
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like THQ where they had to close down but they had like two or three fairly
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major game launches like right after they close down like if they able to
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hold out for two more months they might have been totally fine well I mean they
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they tried remember they did that crazy Humble Bundle um I almost wonder if they
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had communicated why they had to do the Humble Bundle if more people would have
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jumped behind it if more people would have jumped on it or if people would have contributed more to it yeah um
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speaking of humble bundles is that square Humble Bundle still running I
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think so think so uh so there's a square sale on our Square Enix I guess sorry
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Square Enix sale on Humble Bundle and I was a little bit Mis yeah here it is um
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I was a little bit misled because no wait there's a Humble Bundle no there's
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a there's like a sale as well I think it's a different thing anyway the point is it's in the Humble Store uh the point
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is that I was misled I was told that it had Final Fantasy 6 in it but it was
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actually Final Fantasy 3 which is what six was called for the North American
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release I think someone was confused anyway they do have seven and eight for
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PC I believe they also have three for PC they got Tomb Raider in there which I'm
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finally playing now I'm actually really enjoying it so far I'm playing it on my
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shield it's good same place I play all my games although I'm playing it through
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on The Shield tablet I'm determined to play through an entire game on Shield
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tablet and see how it goes um speaking of playing through an entire game on
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Shield tablet uh remember those controllers that we got with the back
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buttons yes I spent some time which ones
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um the ones with the mushy back buttons mushy back buttons yeah the rear buttons
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that you could circular ones what the like circular back buttons yeah okay
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yeah so so so those controllers I was using the Xbox One one with Tomb Raider
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on the PC for a little bit it's not as bad as I thought the mushiness actually
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helps you grip the controller without actuating them my problem was my hand
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was too big so it was pressing in like here I'm like I can't I'll spend some
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more time with them and we'll talk about them more on the show later um speaking
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of talking more on the show later uh there may not be me on the show next
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week because my wife's due date for the new baby is actually four days from now
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so I could get a call right now and I'd
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be like peace and uh and that would be that so that's happening real soon it's
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going to be an entire oh let's do a straw pole it's going to be an entire
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week of Luke Tech tips you guys because
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don't have backlog of your stuff maybe a little bit but it'll otherwise be you so
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okay so we're going to have super happy we just lost an entire video of mine
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cool yeah woo that's good news
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okay how excited are you for Luke Tech
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tips week um um I believe on April fools it
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was called slick Tech tips not very a
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bit not at
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all okay so let's go ahead and post this
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straw poll here guys remember do not click on straw Poes that weren't posted
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by me or a mod in the Forum or the
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twitch chat it's called whatever there
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you go guys start adding your uh we
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should make the whole twitch chat just a giant Forum thread oh I'm logged in as
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you so there's like a whole bunch of lch spamming CU we're both doing it
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y all right so let's go ahead and throw those results up on the screen so you
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guys can watch them be tabulated as they come in what's our next topic here our
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next topic is let's leave that one that was boring
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how about the Blackberry one okay okay so Blackberry is evidently the only
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phone maker that can meet the German Ministries security standards so I guess
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they're the only phone maker that can protect you against the NSA a little
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bit I don't know I think that's it seems like what Germany's security standards
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are kind of based on right now it does kind of seem that way ever since that uh
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ever since what what did they do they tapped into her phone yeah it's like
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genius way to make friends guys I know way to make friends okay so do you want
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to do the run through here uh the ministry uses 3,000 encrypted Blackberry
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devices outfitted with technology made by German security firm seu smart I like
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how so many different security firms just put seu and then something yeah I
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know it's like good job being creative
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guys hopefully you're creative with your technology I would call mine Su you
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all it's the most secure all
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wow yeah theirs is the smartest though
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smartest but mine's mine's the highest SE most smart most
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smart seu smarter SE smarter um I don't
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know it makes sense I I don't know if this is going to be enough for
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Blackberry really I think again they need to just really focus on software
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Solutions cuz if even if they could make like an offshoot of Android that had
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their technology built into it I think people would be more acceptive there's a
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lot of problems with developing Fork versions of Android though Google
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doesn't like it that's true and they basically make life difficult for you or
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any OEM who builds devices for you like it's really bad yeah so in order for
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them to and the other thing about Android is that no matter how much you
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lock Android down no matter how much Samsung wants to talk about how secure
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Android is with it's it's yeah it's not
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it's by its nature very hackable it's think like a dual boot style though
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you know the work at home system M like what if the work system was a completely
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different OS on the device but then if you totally broke
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through Android you can still get to the file manager and access that and you look at how pissed off and uh Google was
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about running Windows and Android on the same oh notebook that's true so is that
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going to be any different if you want to run Blackberry OS and Android on the
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same phone I don't think so probably worse probably worse I would think so y
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yeah um so what else do we have any other information about them
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the the handsets incorporate SE smart micro SD cards that act as a separate
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hard drive oh my goodness this is what I was trying to talk about U for
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confidential information that can't be access can't be accessed by hackers that
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is don't say that that was dumb what are
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you doing
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smart like you not that smart um they're
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sold by the German company for
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€2,000 okay so if Blackberry gets Cuts that's how comes back okay makes sense
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um German publication build recently reported that the country's interior
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Ministry was looking for to buy 20,000
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yeah if blackberry's getting a cut of that that'll help a little bit not
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enough to like save their company but hopefully enough that we can still have
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that Canadian company but at least this is some good news for them and then
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other people might be interested because they might hear about this I mean if Blackberry were to manage to become the
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de facto standard for government use again how quickly would corporations
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corporations and anyone who's scared of the NSA and then once they gain that
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share back how quickly do we start to see some app developers give two cares
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about it I mean mind you you can you can load Android apps now anyway but the
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point is how quickly would it turn back into something that actually matters I
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don't know cuz honestly I really liked the the social thing on BlackBerry yep
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and it was it was actually really usable I I think it would be interesting to try
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Blackberry again now that the Google Play Store is just straight up inside of
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it because because I think that would actually make things quite different
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there's not a ton else on here that's about all there is to say so
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let's go to our straw pole results shall
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we so 48% of you said wet uh 36% of you
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said vary with 9% of you saying a bit 5%
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of you saying not at all and 2% of you
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saying not veryy so mostly people seem to be uh seem to PR pretty down for the
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whole wet Luke's Tech tips about uh the
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game controller what's up oh oh yeah we should definitely move on to the game
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controller so this this is a Kickstarter
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that let me tell you guys I was oh what
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why is this post gone on the Forum what did someone
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do okay game controller here we go okay
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so here's the article from end Gadget and you know what you know what makes me
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really upset about that look how well search optimized we were on this
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post and that post is gone anyway so
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here's the article on end Gadget the game controller that trains your pelvic
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floor muscles so uh the package will
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come with an iOS or Android game called
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Alice in continent which is a joke
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because incontinent means you can't control your you know latter and stuff
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so basically the idea is that by doing keegle exercises you will be able to
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improve the strength of pelvic muscles which is great for pregnancy and
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improving Sensations in women um last
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time I checked the kickstarter really wasn't doing very well it's not making
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it it hasn't it hasn't gotten better is it not making it I think it's going to
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not make it by a fair amount that is a bummer oh only 12 days to go they should
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have worked on their kicker exercises exercises so they're uh let me
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see where it is yeah so Tatiana Kenova
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kova okay okay whatever Guinness World Record holder of pelvic strength kova
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says that uh sure so the point is that this will help you exercise and uh and
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be better at that I mean it's a real thing it's like a healthc care
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professional you know thing to oh who
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did this did someone
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oh apparently that thread was moved to spam so some moderator on the Forum is
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getting in trouble I've seen a lot worse stuff than that make its way through all
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right so let's move on to our next topic slightly more Tech related hopefully we
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haven't completely destroyed all of your guys' uh eyeballs over there you I think
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that thing's fine but whatever I don't think there's anything wrong with it me
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neither all right who moved
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that okay let's move on to our next topic though all right so in NVIDIA has
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evidently found a way to quadruple
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display performance in low res LCDs kind
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of Beast which is pretty darn cool so
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instead of using a single higher resolution panel they're actually using
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two lower resolution panels directly
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over top of each other to achieve pretty much the same effect as a single higher
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resolution panel which is like pretty ban is an actually kind of amazing is it
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quite as good well no no the answer is
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the answer is definitely no but it does make a significant difference so their
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researchers disassembled two 1280x 800 LCD panels and rebuilt them into a
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single display with slightly offset
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pixels a filter to weed out polarization conflicts and a bit of customized
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software to force the display components to work in tandem they're calling the
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Prototype a cascaded display and tests
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it has quadrupled the spatial resolution of the original panels which is pretty
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darn cool now to be clear guys resolution actually refers to what your
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eyes perceive not a set of numbers so
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resolution can double without you know
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doubling the number of pixels or quadrupling them or whatever it is as it
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were brain explosion brain explosion um
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pretty cool I think it's cool because hopefully this will lead way to stuff
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that we're seeing from like segue to the Intel thing the Intel shark I mean it's
28:29
not perfect the viewing angles aren't great and the brightness is definitely
28:33
reduced uh it's not the first time I've ever actually used a display that has
28:37
stacked panels the last time I used one was an IED 3D 3D gaming display it was a
28:41
1680 by 1050 I always forget that R 1680
28:45
X 1050 3D display that had two different
28:50
um panels that and then it had um instead of uh active shutter glasses it
28:56
had polarized filters different ones on so that you could only see one of the
29:00
panels which in theory it didn't work very well but um I'm just hoping this
29:04
will lead to thinner things behind displays that would be nice ah very cool
29:10
though I mean we H pixel density is so
29:14
high at this point and it's not so I mean okay for things like Oculus I can
29:19
see it mattering for things like a desktop display though I really don't
29:23
think manufacturing two lower resolution panels is going to be something that
29:27
makes any sense in the near future I don't even Oculus you don't think so not
29:32
really cuz they need much higher raw resolution panels and it's really close
29:36
to your face so you're going to notice any weirdness yeah so I think they just
29:41
need like a super baller panel speaking of super baller panels and Oculus you
29:45
want to take this one sure posted originally by dri W sorry I had to get
29:50
that in go ahead no worries I fix it ripped apart a I had to get that
29:55
in sorry go ahead um I fixed it ripped
29:59
apart of DK2 delicately not ripped it apart they nicely took apart of DK2
30:04
sometimes they rip things apart do they sometimes
30:08
really oh god um hey if we get to see
30:12
the insides that's cool I'm not going to tear mine apart but they found as you
30:15
can see here uh maybe not that one yeah
30:19
this is the interface yeah but can you see the one where it actually shows like there we go it is a you sound like uh
30:26
what's the sponge thing SpongeBob oh I actually have never watched
30:30
SpongeBob I don't know if I've seen a whole episode but I've seen his laugh
30:33
that remind me of his laugh anyways this is a panel from a Note 3 down to as you
30:38
can see holes for the things on the Note 3 I believe it even has a hole for the
30:42
home button um like yeah directly taken
30:47
from that but that's cool this is again a dev kit so I believe it was said
30:52
somewhere at some point in time that once the consumer version comes out they
30:55
will be having their own panels for everything but as of right now they're
30:59
just like easy yep yeah because we need
31:02
you guys to be able to work on it and this thing had an AMOLED panel and good
31:06
resolutions and all that kind of stuff so totally good yeah so 1080p display
31:11
and then they actually overclocked it a touch to run at a higher 75 HZ refresh
31:15
rate so something of note guys is as
31:18
much as people might want to debate can you see 30 FPS or 60 FPS or whatever
31:23
else uh from personal experience even overclocking a panel a little bit past
31:28
60 HZ does make a big difference going from 120 to 144 frankly I can't tell but
31:34
going from 60 to 72 which is as far as I
31:38
got my old Samsung 305t my old 30-in monitor that my cat jumped on I never
31:42
actually got to use it like that cuz I wasn't using it at the time that we did
31:47
that how to overclock your monitor thing and then my cat broke it before I
31:50
finished building my system so I never actually got to game on it at 72 Herz
31:56
but that was as far as I got on it and made a significant difference so um well
32:01
he he like he tested it he just didn't get to yeah anyways um yeah I don't know
32:05
it matters my favorite thing is the low persistance which you can notice a lot
32:10
once I get you sitting down with both of them side by side it's interesting to
32:13
get into a certain game where you have to like whip your head to the side and
32:17
there's text and interface elements and stuff and with dk1 it'll look like
32:21
complete mush and then with DK2 it's very solid because a low persistence
32:26
thing is turning off the panel between
32:29
frames so that it isn't persisting on the screen for too long but it does it
32:33
so quickly that you don't notice right that actually helps a lot really really
32:37
good the high resolution and low persistance helps a ton we'll have a
32:40
video on that at some point in time we're waiting because I got mine
32:44
actually still relatively early before some devs are even getting theirs so
32:49
most of the big devs already have theirs obviously but it's taking a while for
32:52
everyone to move sdks to sdk4 which is where you get support for
32:57
the the camera and DK2 is kind of like automatic detection mode instead of just
33:02
screen extension mode um so we just yeah
33:07
kind of have to wait for that to be fully implemented so we can actually try
33:10
a whole bunch of different things Cu uh my idea for the video is to sit down
33:14
pretty much everybody in the office and have them try gaming normally game with
33:19
dk1 game with DK2 and get their thoughts on the comparisons of the three and
33:24
that's not really going to work if we only have like a couple Tech demos and
33:28
maybe a few other things because I want to get some very specific games running
33:32
on it so yeah that video will be coming at some point when it's doable and
33:36
hopefully you're still here yeah let's hope I mean if I'm not here I guess it's
33:40
not really the end of the world but uh yeah you guys I'm sure will do a good
33:44
job of it without me yay hopefully that's my way of saying a good job of it
33:49
better be done because I'm just going to say that's that's his way of saying don't screw
33:53
up cuz we're actually going to be doing our first set like I'm I'm determined to
33:57
make Media Group as much like a real company as possible so I'm I'm doing
34:01
performance reviews with everyone when I get back I actually borrow performance
34:06
review no can we all performance review you well there's that's going to be half
34:10
of each person's interview is like what
34:13
we can do better as well I was going to say we should get the entire company on
34:16
one side of the table and then you on the other so it's like the the Surfs
34:21
versus management fine but I get to have my
34:26
wife on my side too no we will lose that
34:29
is not fair that's not how this works she has
34:33
to be on our side
34:38
no all right what's next all right speaking of being on a side we are on
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34:52
poor Taran to shave his beard we had
34:56
some of you happy about the beard shaving we had some of you extremely
35:00
upset about the beard shaving we should probably get a straw pull going straw
35:03
pole I was frightened were you happy or upset about taran's beard sh as one of
35:09
the options anyway so Dollar Shave Club what's the point if you guys aren't
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already familiar with them is they for less than the price of going to the
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store and buying razors with less of the hassle deliver highquality razors
35:22
directly to your door your first order gets you a handle and a set of blades
35:27
and then subsequent orders will include four of whatever blade type you want up
35:32
to their six blade
35:36
executive model that is uh pretty darn
35:39
executive I got to say six blades is like six more blades than no blades
35:45
which is better than not being able to shave your face at all just going to say
35:49
and they also have other stuff too so they have Dr Carver shave butter you
35:53
could probably shave your face with no blades which goes up you just might not
35:56
have that much face left like grind fingernail shave anyway
36:02
uh Dr Carver shave butter which goes on clear so you can see what you're doing
36:06
they have their new aftershave product which actually Taran tried it smells
36:10
quite nice and then finally speaking of things that smell nice one wipe
36:15
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sponsored bit was probably the one that I felt most awkward delivering at first
36:26
cuz I was like really I'm I'm like I'm
36:29
talking about butt wipes butt wipes but
36:33
you know what having a clean butt is good I mean have you ever sat next to
36:37
the person who kind of smells faintly of poo yeah
36:41
yeah can you imagine if they smelled a little bit like peppermint instead you
36:45
know what I'm really happy about is that is I I would appreciate you know that
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like uh you're the real MVP thing is
36:53
like the guy that stinks on the airplane but brings a one wipe Charlie yeah
36:57
you're the real MVP you're the real I want to sit next to you for like 2 hours
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look at that it's like all the all the legit folks I'm I'm bunching myself in
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with legit folks so that people will make the association
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you know I guess you can do that that's fair oh yeah and I should probably also
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mention this uh Squarespace has redone
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their developer platform so if you're a developer you're definitely going to
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want to go and check that out that's interesting yeah that's kind of cool you
39:43
should probably Che I haven't looked at it at all yet yeah I know this is this is brand new so there's a whole bunch of
39:48
new tools and stuff so it gives you full control over the HTML CSS and JavaScript
39:53
so that's kind of I don't think it had JavaScript support before I'm not sure
39:57
but it I don't think so and that's really nice yeah cool so there's a
40:02
there's another thing because I know you're working on a personal site with it right I'm taking more time than I had
40:06
originally planned but I like my new idea cool so oh well and I've kind of
40:10
dropped that with working on Squirtle version 2 right Have I Told yeah I've
40:15
told you about some of my plans for that yes so he's redoing his personal rig and
40:19
his personal website you should make your website about your personal rig
40:22
well I'm I'm waiting for it should have photographs and you should like learn
40:27
photography to take great photographs I was just going to get Brandon into so
40:30
you should learn you know I think we all don't
40:36
appreciate Brandon enough I do you know
40:39
he's my he's my bro on trips we're Team B man we're gonna bring hold on maybe
40:43
you don't appreciate we're gonna bring Brandon in here for for a moment of
40:47
appreciating Brandon okay hey Brandon
40:51
can you come here for a sec we have to appreciate you
40:57
why why okay okay okay here here we have to
41:02
bring we have to bring Brandon on for a moment of appreciation we just
41:06
appreciate you very much you film all the things edit all the things yep and
41:13
he's like scared he even he even came and did like a maternity like photo
41:17
shoot for me and my wife cuz he's a good guy good guy Brandon you guys should
41:22
follow him on Twitter I can't remember your Twitter handle _ the intern I want
41:27
to change it I want to change it now the
41:30
reason I haven't changed it is because when we ordered business cards yeah
41:35
that's what was on the business card and I have what is it 500 business cards
41:39
that have that Twitter handle on it been waiting to change it I have the other
41:43
one I want though so that's okay you got packs coming up so you can give out a
41:47
bunch there and then uh we've got CES
41:50
coming up you should give out the rest there just hand them off to someone just
41:53
take them all so I can order people's booths sleep en tire no one will
41:59
forget and then I change my Twitter handle and they they they can't find do
42:03
you like the business do the business card exchange
42:07
but give the guy a hundred here you go so it's actually worse to give out all
42:12
the business cards before you change the Twitter handle maybe tell you what why
42:17
don't you change the Twitter handle I'll buy you new business cards we'll call it
42:20
a great all right thanks Brandon now he's back to editing all the things if
42:25
you oh yeah I was going to ask him to close the door cuz I don't ask him to do
42:28
enough apparently so you're just going to you're just going to monopolize
42:31
Brandon's time and have him take pictures of your computer for you all
42:35
right well we gave him some appreciation for it at
42:38
least yeah so now we don't have to feel bad but yeah I wanted to I have I
42:43
started building my Squarespace site and I was like okay a lot of these layouts are honestly optimized very well for
42:48
having a lot of photos which is yes very Visual and then I was like I don't have
42:52
any problem I was like when I build my new
42:56
rig set up I'll get photos you know what I didn't even mention speaking of new
43:00
rigs our build guide that we did where Brandon stayed at the office with me
43:03
until 3 in the morning filming so that
43:07
was a uh I think taking out the meal breaks I think it was like a 15 or
43:12
16-hour day or something like that like some ludicrous winner yeah it was good
43:17
though we got the build guide done which is what it's all about all right well that was fun uh
43:22
let's move on to rumors shall we okay so first rumor is that the
43:29
GeForce GTX 880 has been
43:32
certified there's a question mark at the end of the headline here have we had an
43:36
880 rumor every week for last month oh
43:40
possibly yeah yeah that sounds about right so this is from video
43:45
card.com and the word on the street is that the GTX 880 will be coming sometime
43:50
in mid September they're apparently planning a big event for all major press
43:54
members from around the world and uh
43:58
prepare for boring Maxwell architecture presentations I wonder if video
44:02
cards.com is getting an invite yeah what the hell live streaming
44:07
new hardware and Jensen explaining why you should buy g-sync monitors and
44:11
shield tablets I wouldn't be surprised
44:14
if if he explains that we should buy gsync monitors and shield tablets especially cuz Shield at least the
44:19
concept I'm not that sold on the tablet personally not because it's a bad
44:23
product I'm just not a tablet user um love Shield and now that I'm using the
44:28
Rog Swift as my daily driver did I even tell you that uh no yeah I'm us I kind
44:33
of expected you to I'm using the r Swift every single time a new ASUS monitor
44:36
comes in you just take it seriously when was the last one you
44:42
didn't that's the answer I was looking for hold on hold on wait if I go back
44:49
far enough okay at my house right now I
44:52
have the pb287q so I have the 4K I have
44:56
the pa27 9 Q so that's that beautiful 10
44:59
bit panel that's like pretty baller that
45:03
you shouldn't have and then I have the r considering we have a Quadro here and
45:07
Brandon could use a 10 bit panel for editing no Brandon can't have a Quadro
45:11
yet he's going to get a Quadro when we do the upgrade is he then getting a 10
45:15
bit panel no I'll keep
45:19
it so next time a video doesn't look perfect and you know Brandon edit it
45:23
blame him uh you know what though we are going to do a bit of a monitor Truffle
45:27
Shuffle because we have that BenQ uh CAD one that 32 in that's actually using a
45:32
pretty nice VA panel so someone will get that that's okay for pretty rudimentary
45:37
color work actually pretty decent color work then we've also got um like are we
45:43
making sure everyone has at least one we're making we're going to make sure everyone has at least one pretty
45:46
accurate pretty accurate monitor is everyone getting quadros then uh no yeah
45:50
okay uh Taran is going to get a third monitor probably though he's asked for
45:54
one uh just because he his work flow
45:57
would make it a lot easier for him if he had a script above we're going to we're going to be covering all this of course
46:01
in the whole room water cooling upgrade thing speaking of
46:06
which what is this we had our first shipment of supplies arrive for it hold
46:11
up I can move mine you can here do you want to hold this up sure just kind of
46:16
hold it so so they can here it's okay to have it sort of tilted but not all the
46:21
way okay here we go okay so oh
46:27
yeah here we go uh you can go ahead and I think they'll get the
46:33
point yes
46:37
friends a master carton of Titan black
46:40
editions you know that graphics card that we never got one to do a review
46:43
about I know right now we have a lot you
46:47
know what's funny I got the okay okay this is great great story I got an email
46:51
from Acer today cuz did I already tell you that we're going to get a sample of
46:55
their upcoming 4k gsync yes okay so the thing about gsync is
47:00
that it works down to I oh shoot I
47:03
believe it's 25 frames per second 24 35
47:07
something like that if you dip too low it stops working because you can't leave
47:13
an image on the screen for too long it starts to degrade and you have to
47:17
refresh it so I'm sorry I don't remember exactly what that frame rate is but Acer
47:22
had some concerns about me reviewing their gsync monitor because if you don't
47:26
have a graphic setup that cannot dip below that you're going to see some
47:30
tearing and you're going to see some visual anomalies that otherwise g-sync
47:33
completely eliminates so they sent me this email they're like do you have a
47:38
system that's powerful enough to drive this monitor in games and I'm
47:44
like really really yeah I think I do I think
47:51
so I think we'll be okay I think we'll be all right so what we'll so what we'll
47:54
probably do is uh dual 780 Ti what I
47:57
expected go go to go to town on it should be good I may actually have to
48:00
borrow a rig just to do my review of that monitor cuz I've got a single Titan
48:04
in my machine that might not be enough you might need two monitors to drive
48:09
modern games at like CU you want to be
48:12
in that you don't really want to fall below 45 FPS cuz when I was at the demo
48:18
it looks pretty darn smooth down to about 45 your Titan's water cooled in
48:22
right it is you have quick disconnects on it no that's one thing I did for my
48:25
update right my card is be quick disconnected with those cool an black
48:28
ones oh my God anyway Sor is that where those all went no oh I got my own okay
48:34
where are they all oh they're on the bench that's right okay um anyways they
48:39
were like stupid expensive but after building them into that bench I was like yep need them um anyways uh what was I
48:45
going to say yeah you could have just swapped those in your system but you can just take a bench home yeah yeah I'll
48:49
probably just do that what I might do oh I should just swap a Titan black and
48:54
then bring the Titan here it's not that much slower someone can have a Titan
48:58
Brandon will never know the difference no you just had an appreciation thing
49:03
let's take advantage of Brandon no he should get a Titan black he should get a
49:06
Titan black Taran Taran edel and Brandon all need to get at least one each
49:12
there's five fine you can't take one of
49:15
those from all right so we never actually managed to talk about any of
49:18
the 880 rumors so the rumor is it's
49:22
going to be 4 gigs of RAM with a 256-bit interface uh we should apparent ly also
49:27
expect 8 gig models According to some leaked pictures um the rumor is that it
49:33
might not be the fastest card out there but it won't hurt your wallet too badly
49:38
so we're not going to see a flagship card launch at you know $7.99 or a
49:42
$1,000 like the Titan black speaking of hurting your wallet um crackling
49:48
packages do not make that easy yeah I know right it's twitch chat telling you
49:52
to do bad things again um however Etc etc etc so it's
49:57
basically a gk104 replacement according to the rumor on vide
50:01
cards.com but based on you know how
50:05
efficient Maxwell is based on how big we think the Chip is going to be it's
50:09
pretty safe to assume it will sit above 780 and maybe even above 780 Ti in terms
50:14
of performance so this could be a pretty darn ex uh exclusive card exclusive
50:21
pretty darn exciting card they're not making very many you have to be a part
50:25
of Team Green to get one
50:28
is team red yeah yeah that's a real thing I was that's why I was oh were you
50:33
making fun of team red oh okay well I wasn't making fun of team red I was like
50:37
the only thing about team red that kind of bothered me was AMD inviting me to
50:41
join it the Twitter pictures where no no not those hilarious no they invited me
50:46
to join it and I was just kind of sitting there I was going like look we
50:49
have a relationship and it's good but if I start joining team don't send us
50:54
anything to test or Team Green or team blue like if I start joining a team
50:59
that's stupid I'm supposed to beti right I might as well just not they
51:04
might as well just not send me a card and I'll make a review about how great
51:07
it is anyway if I join team red yeah like I I I I can't do stuff like that I
51:12
got to be I got to be looking at the product maybe that's what they were trying to do because they don't really
51:15
send us things so they're like if he just joins the team let's be fair to
51:19
them they send us most things most
51:23
there's only one there's only one product they haven't sent us in the last
51:27
year and that was the 295x2 so and I believe they did intend
51:32
to send one I think it just didn't really happen all right so we expect
51:36
rumors of an upcoming graphics card to start circulating but what we don't
51:41
normally expect is rumors of a graphics
51:44
card that is not coming anytime soon to start leaking um oh first of all the op
51:49
for that last topic was Victoria Secret and the op for this one is Big Earl so
51:54
thanks Big Earl but this is the room right now apparently even though the GTX
51:59
880 is allegedly going to be coming out
52:02
uh and this one says early or late October so let's just say late Q3 early
52:10
Q4 the rumor is that the GTX 990 will be
52:15
launching in early 2015 so the original
52:18
article here is from tweak toown so thanks to them for posting this this is
52:23
actually a relatively R reputable site
52:26
like we're not talking WCC for their audio playing ads except for their oh
52:32
shoot are we playing any no no they don't have any audio ads on right now
52:35
just be careful because it might randomly attack you even if you don't
52:39
refresh the page so they're saying they're we should expect NVIDIA to
52:42
completely skip the 20 nmet process going from 28 to 16 nanm which would
52:47
mean that if this is a large style chip
52:51
there could be a lot more logic in it compared to what we've seen in the past
52:56
the rumor is that this will be under the Maxwell architecture and that's probably
53:02
that probably pretty much goes without saying and then it won't stop there as
53:06
apparently we should see the GeForce 1000 series sometime in the next 18 to
53:10
24 months as well although I think that that as far as guesses go is about like
53:15
me saying the sun will probably set sometime in the next 5 hours because new
53:22
video cards come like eventually yep and
53:25
saying something time in the next 18 to 24 months is about
53:29
like even if they have to 9,800 it yeah
53:33
even if they oh oh I just made some people sad what
53:37
if they GTS 250 it oh
53:42
oh not good not good sad days all right
53:46
so what else we got here today uh Intel is apparently going after our Duos and
53:51
raspberry pies in the most um unorthodox
53:55
possible way so this guy right here is called sharks Cove it features a quad
54:00
core processor that runs at I think it was like 1.3 GHz or something ridiculous
54:04
like that yeah it's an atom chip it's got a gig of RAM 16 gigs of storage with
54:08
a Micro SD slot you can output via a fullsize HDMI port or an MPI connector
54:14
and it's got a usb2 port the only issue here is that it clocks in at a whopping
54:19
$300 but it comes with a full Windows 8.1 license yes it does so if you wanted
54:25
to Dev for Windows
54:29
8.1 on a very small
54:33
device I don't actually think this is directly trying to attack Arduino or
54:37
Raspberry Pi it can't be the price point isn't right at all I mean Intel's not
54:41
stupid they would know that if they need something that's supposed to compete
54:45
with that it would have to be 20 bucks or 30 bucks or whatever else and like
54:49
from talking with them at CES a big thing that they kept on saying over and
54:54
over again when I was looking at their little chipset then or not uh their
54:57
little boards then was that they're very Dev focused and in this one they're
55:01
talking again it's supposed to be helping developers build apps for different sized systems and different
55:06
solutions so I wouldn't be surprised if that's entirely their focus again
55:10
speaking of entirely being focused on wait a minute hold on did I miss the op
55:14
there nope I didn't speaking of being entirely focused uPorn really has been
55:20
they were serious about it they have focused on sponsoring a pro mooba team
55:28
so apparently it is happening and um
55:32
there you go this was originally posted on the Forum by power consumption junkie
55:36
I love that Avatar gtx480 love it I
55:40
never noticed that actually I've seen him around but I never really correlated the two so apparently many people who
55:45
responded to the original tweet where they were like hey any pro League of
55:49
Legends or Dota 2 players yeah we want to sponsor you um apparently most people
55:53
came to the same conclusion that we did and that's that if they were to sponsor
55:56
team they would likely have to fund them under a different name because you're
56:00
not going to have on like you know the main feed for the international that's
56:06
like like let's say this team makes the finals and they're being broadcast on
56:10
ESPN just done the they could have called them YP and used their little
56:15
logo thing the pink Y and black even then I think that's it's a pink Y and a
56:20
black PE never thought of that um so anyway the point is that they wouldn't
56:25
be able to have you corn logos all over the backs of the shirts of the players
56:29
or whatever else so hopefully we see
56:33
some kind of uh some kind of you know tastefulness and the way that they do
56:37
the sponsorship and I think it's you have giant Pink wise on the front okay
56:41
enough of this um
56:47
just you know on the on the other side you know
56:52
what we try to maintain a certain level of professionalism on on this show my
56:57
mom might be
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watching I'm sorry Mom okay continue
57:05
apparently the contract is drafted so there's that this is also cool original
57:11
poster on the line of techtips forum was drick W LG is showing off speaking of
57:16
size mattering their 105 in 5K TV yes 4K is not enough for LG
57:27
they want a 21 by9 5K TV so it runs at a
57:31
whopping 5120 by 2160 we're not even
57:34
talking the usual hey it's a new TV standard there's no content for it we're
57:40
talking a whole new level of I don't even know of a camera that shoots this
57:46
you'd have to shoot at like Red's 6K or something and then crop it and
57:56
what what are you doing with that said I do think that moving to 21 by9
58:01
especially for very large format TVs makes a ton of sense I just don't think
58:06
that um chopping off the top of content or having black bars if I'm going to
58:11
spend $120,000 on a TV is going to make S oh
58:14
sorry I shouldn't say $120,000 because Samsung's competing model is $120,000
58:20
LGS comes in at a mere
58:24
$177,000 well hey if if you were spending hundred plus, on
58:30
a TV I probably wouldn't care about that little extra or the other way of looking
58:34
at it is maybe you spent all of your money and you don't have another 3,000
58:37
to spare don't do that on a TV man I would so buy a Tesla Model S instead but
58:42
that's a poor people way of thinking what you would buy instead but then you
58:47
just said you spent all your money so you oh no I'm I'm past that yeah that
58:51
was just a stupid thing I said to get a rise out of you um so that's not stupid
58:55
I would way rather buy mod no no I know no no but the point there is that when
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when people like us real people discuss
59:03
like really expensive stuff and we're like that's stupid it's stupid to buy
59:08
that because here are all the things I would buy Instead This stuff's not for
59:12
us this is for people who already have all that stuff so we're thinking about
59:17
it wrong we're clearly the ones doing it wrong that's all I have to say about
59:21
that but yes I buy instead hold on
59:24
you're you're pointing they can't well you can't point at that screen
59:28
either I can use the mouse I'll use no wrong Mouse wrong mouse that Mouse here
59:32
just put your hand
59:36
there okay this big bar which is I'm
59:39
assuming must be some form of speaker yeah why because idiots you're spending
59:46
$120,000 on your TV why why is that
59:50
there what the hell what are you
59:54
doing is this part of at the bottom here I think it's a cutout I think it's a
59:59
cutout it's like what are you doing wow
60:03
yeah that's the wall yeah that's bad
60:06
super dumb maybe it's not not super fun speaker I don't even well it must be
60:11
because the speaker sure isn't here so like why do you even have speakers in it
60:16
if you're spending 120 Grand on a TV please say you have some sort of sound
60:22
system yeah you should not be using
60:25
those people remember the kind of house you might
60:28
have if you have $120,000 for a TV is
60:31
probably very like minimalistic and beautiful you don't want to go
60:35
cluttering that [ __ ] up with like wires
60:38
so you should probably probably use the speakers in your TV I mean it's
60:41
a it's $120,000 TV so probably the
60:45
speakers are badass you could have the wires going through the
60:48
wall can't even fully complete the sentence Oh my God you can get that
60:54
crazy controller thing that I saw on what was it mono price you have Wall
60:58
switches for all your speakers no because that would probably ruin your
61:01
wall your Wall's probably very beautiful so it would have to be like touch
61:06
detecting lasers in the roof so that you can tap on the wall and there's no
61:10
screen there yeah but like the wall would have to be glass so that you
61:14
wouldn't like get your oil on it and like Ru it yeah my rich people house
61:19
would be awesome I actually planned out what my rich people house would be so if
61:24
I just had like millions of dollars and had no idea what to do with it I would
61:28
build a house that's completely below ground because I don't know about other
61:33
places but here in Vancouver the average lot size has significantly decreased
61:38
over the last 25 years so my idea was
61:42
that the entire house would actually use Like An Egyptian mirror system style
61:48
thing to pull light in from a certain
61:52
sort of number of places but then the actual entire top of the property could
61:56
be like a a grass field thing so people
62:00
would be driving by and it would be like empty lot except there would actually be
62:04
a house there so you would access it by opening up like a like a storm cell
62:08
style thing well you have a million dollar house yeah a million dollar house
62:11
so like you you'd like well okay million dollar house Vancouver not that
62:15
expensive you have a multi you have millions of dollars yeah so so you'd be
62:18
like beep beep boop on your on your like Smartwatch and then like uh an elevator
62:23
would come out of the ground here is your personal
62:27
system then you get in so the point of this house would be that I spent all
62:30
this money on the house I'm going to save that money in cooling expenses I
62:35
wouldn't need air conditioning because I'd be so far down below the ground you
62:41
still on about the air conditioning oh my
62:47
God to avoid getting air conditioning he
62:51
would a build a multi-million dollar house underground so he wouldn't have to
62:55
get air conditioning or B water cool every single computer in the office in
62:59
one Loop so he can pull air out of the pull that heat out of the room but still
63:04
not buy air conditioning and I could still I could still enjoy like the all
63:10
that money I'm spending by further investing in things like the best home
63:14
theater system ever cuz you could Crank that up as loud as you want and if you
63:19
were three stories down that would be amazing cuz you could have it be
63:23
completely dark if you put subwoofers like in the walls you could make
63:27
everyone think that you're there's manyi earthquakes whenever you watch action
63:31
movies that would be amazing it would be so epic great I saw someone on Twitch
63:35
chat saying if lonus had a million dollars he would buy streets by 50 Star
63:38
Wars headphones to review them yeah I already did that I shot that review
63:43
today that review is going to be when is it going up not for a while cuz we have
63:47
to film the music video on Tuesday and then it has to be edited which is going
63:51
to I'm assuming take like at least a full day for someone so so yeah that
63:57
review that review is a thing it's going to be amazing or terrible I'm pretty
64:02
stoked for that or terribly amazing or
64:05
all right so we've actually don't have a ton of topics this week it's kind of the
64:10
summer and uh rather than end the show early we decided we wanted to do kind of
64:15
an interactive thing with you guys and talk
64:18
about what you think in terms of of raw
64:22
going for raw FPS versus where is this
64:26
where did it go what is this was it removed I don't
64:32
know I can't find it right now the the discussion
64:37
topic oh oh I see it okay well okay no
64:40
first let's do I just okay this isn't something that's a news item I just
64:44
thought this was a really great post by um uh exia exia xya um so basically AMD
64:52
released their free sync FAQ so free
64:56
sync is the gsync competitor sort of
64:59
from AMD where instead of them
65:02
developing like a chip that goes in the monitor that allows the display to only
65:07
refresh when the video card sends it a signal telling it to refresh instead
65:11
this is part of the upcoming Vasa standard for DisplayPort 1.3 so AMD's
65:17
naming of it as as free sync because it's going to be part of a Vasa standard
65:22
is uh yeah you know kind of a shot at shot at NVIDIA as well as just a way of
65:28
sort of making it clear that this is something that's part of an existing
65:31
standard sort of um so basically theyve released right so they released an FAQ
65:36
about it and the main points here are that DisplayPort active sync which is
65:41
what it'll actually end up being called not project freesync enables the
65:45
real-time adjustment of the monitor refresh rate so that's good they're
65:49
saying it's project freesync is a unique AMD Hardware software solution that
65:55
utiliz is DisplayPort active sync protocols to enable user facing benefits
66:00
so that's smooth tearing free and low latency gameplay NVIDIA so what's
66:03
interesting about that is there's actually no guarantee that freesync is
66:08
going to be supported across all graphics cards Intel hasn't commented on
66:12
it at all and NVIDIA certainly hasn't
66:15
commented on it so we may actually be looking at a completely new set of
66:22
NVIDIA certified AMD certified rather than a completely open standard that's
66:26
supposed to come you know crashing onto the market and make it so that everyone
66:31
can enjoy what is truly an amazing technology which I find a little bit
66:34
disappointing but I'm not ready to condemn it yet because if it does turns
66:40
out to be absolutely freaking fantastic then that's great but the problem is
66:45
that it requires specific Hardware so
66:48
you could actually see DisplayPort monitors that do not support free sync
66:54
and they could still be dis Port 1.3 so that's another thing that is something
66:58
for people who are waiting that are who are holding out for free sync that's
67:02
something that they might want to consider aside from how long they will
67:05
likely be waiting this was actually a post pulled from ASUS someone from ASUS
67:10
posted this let me just find it here we go so blah blah blah blah blah yeah so
67:17
someone posted on I think it must have been on their Forum you know any monitor that can get to the gsync upgrade
67:21
already has vblank enabled which means it's free sync compatible right and
67:24
basically Marshall R shut this down and said no it's not the same it needs to be
67:28
enabled in firmware drivers ic's Etc and
67:32
it's not ASUS official it's just a little bit of background information on
67:36
how product development Works having an industry standard is only a first step
67:41
it doesn't make it happen Vasa is on board so it's probably going to be fine
67:45
but it likely won't be fast and another
67:48
great point that gets brought up here is that it doesn't take into account that the LCD and display guys are already
67:54
really focused on other crap right now now 4K 21 by9 touchscreen curve displays
67:59
these are all things that they're focused on that are not just catering to
68:03
Gamers and are important for everyone
68:06
not just Gamers so adaptive refresh needs an Asic display IC physical
68:11
redesign it's not just a firmware update that means silicon tape out
68:15
manufacturing testing firmware everything typically that's 12 months
68:19
from now to get it in their hands and then another 6 months or more of product
68:25
Dev to actually make a retail display and that's if all the display IC
68:30
manufacturers decide to update for 1.2a instead of just waiting for 1.3 so sorry
68:35
1.2a I believe is the one that was going to include it I'm a little bit Rusty I
68:39
haven't looked at it recently anyway the point is that in the short term until
68:43
further notice ASUS is committed to g-sync and the
68:47
pg278q because it's the only technology that's actually on the market in the
68:50
midterm they're going to be standards agnostic I mean ASUS is notorious for
68:56
just doing everything yeah yeah yeah like you look at you XFX going from
69:00
being GeForce exclusive to Radeon exclusive or like EVGA being GeForce
69:06
exclusive or whatever ASUS has always
69:09
just given the old yeah you want us to only make Intel
69:13
boards you want us to only make AMD boards you want us to make what we're
69:16
going to make whatever we want so and sometimes that turns into products that
69:20
make no sense but a lot of the time it
69:24
uh wow we should get the most lest tective
69:29
sponsor no we shouldn't should I ask this poll topic no oh yeah sure I was
69:34
like why not I thought it was I thought it was should we get uPorn as a sponsor
69:39
no we shouldn't oh man all right so anyway I thought that was just an
69:43
interesting read through just because not a lot of details have been given by
69:47
AMD up till now I think it's great that they're demystifying this for everyone
69:51
but unless you've been paying close attention um they've released
69:54
information very very slowly starting with that exclusive CES thing from Anand
69:59
where they showed it they showed a tech demo working on a laptop all the way up
70:02
to now today where we see that the standard has been accepted by Vasa and
70:06
then we're going to continue to move forward from there but the point is just we're a long way away um so this was
70:12
where I actually wanted to get you guys Twitter blitzing and this was an
70:15
interesting topic I'm not sure that I agree with it I just thought it was
70:19
interesting I'm going to post this in the twitch chat I want you guys to check it out there we go is am D falling
70:26
behind NVIDIA because you could look at a lot of the stuff that AMD is doing
70:30
right now and make Arguments for the other way I thought the R9
70:35
295x2 was a really great product and it was a real nod to the people that it's
70:41
actually supposedly targeted for like I am tired of companies coming out and
70:45
saying we've got an Enthusiast grade product and then not actually giving
70:51
enthusiasts the features that they want and that they deserve like a water
70:54
cooled card isn't too much to expect an
70:58
Enthusiast to deal with and I think that
71:01
treating enthusiasts like babies is not the right approach either so I mean was
71:06
the product perfect no it was you know kicks out a lot of heat and of course
71:10
you have to have a case that has an open 120 mm mount for the radiator and all
71:14
that stuff but that's okay that's what made an Enthusiast ready but I thought
71:18
that this post was uh I thought that
71:21
this post was pretty interesting and I want to hear from you guys we're going
71:24
to start with a straw poll but I also want you to Twitter Blitz us as well um
71:29
and here let me get let me get that straw poll up did you post can you post that in the chat just for me to click on
71:34
yeah thank you it seems like the quickest way to share a link oh for
71:38
crying out loud I clicked if you scroll up it'll pause the I can get it though
71:42
okay we got it so let's put the uh the free sync versus gsync thing on here but
71:45
I want to get more from you guys actually I want to know do you do you
71:51
value what NVIDIA is doing in terms of things like game stream in terms of
71:56
things like Shadow play Al AMD does have
71:59
a better competitor for shadow play um as well as what they're doing in terms
72:04
of things like g-sync where they're basically saying okay look the standard
72:07
needs to exist maybe in the long term g-sync doesn't end up being that
72:13
important but if we could bring it to Market two years earlier than the
72:16
competitor would that be worth it and just kind of going for it or do you
72:21
prefer to see them just focus on making
72:24
graphic cards so I would like to uh I'd like to hear
72:27
from you guys about that so here's the gsync versus freesync thing so we've got
72:31
57% of you saying gsync and I'd actually
72:35
feel free to Twitter Blitz about this as well I'd like to hear why gsync or why
72:39
freesync I mean reasons that I can think of off the top of my head are gsync is
72:43
here right now um reasons I can think of against gsync are NVIDIA has to my
72:49
knowledge no intention of opening it up to anyone else whether it's Intel or AMD
72:54
um although I think Intel would be more likely um as like a licensing deal but
72:59
uh what do you think in terms of like what are the actual Market percentages
73:03
for NVIDIA versus AMD right now on graphics cards um like what's steam
73:07
steam's things let's let's pull it up let's pull up the hardware survey survey
73:11
but last time last time I was in retail I know that in terms of sales numbers it
73:16
was about 6040 to 7030 depending on the day of the week for NVIDIA okay yeah
73:21
that's what I kind of found fairly interesting is this isn't quite 64
73:26
so are we just getting whatever graphics card people have in their
73:29
systems well I'm wonder I'm well okay
73:32
the one way you can look at it is in a lot of cases whatever graphics card
73:35
people have in their systems are what they're going to be voting for in this type of a poll yeah yeah yeah no that
73:40
makes sense it's not necessarily even a fanboying thing it's just whatever
73:43
they're standing behind in any form all right so here's the latest what I'm
73:47
trying to say is that freesync is getting more credit than I actually expected it to right in this poll so the
73:53
latest Steam Hardware survey which I think is a great way of pulling Gamers
73:57
particularly like ignoring the casuals
74:00
um is 50% NVIDIA 30% AMD and about 20%
74:05
Intel so if you tried to pull this directly
74:09
across uh gsync should have gotten a lot more votes yes so it seems like
74:13
generally more people are getting actually behind free sync it's an
74:16
interesting takeway from the poll just as an open standard yeah yeah sort of
74:21
sort of I mean it's something open if NVIDIA chooses not to support it because
74:27
but they choose not to do they choose I
74:30
wonder because is is it choosing if you have to specifically enable it on a
74:35
hardware level on the graphics card or is that just not having I don't know
74:39
we'll we'll have to see how this shakes down it's going to be 2 years before we
74:42
have a clear idea of how these two compete in the market yeah that's
74:46
interesting I mean locking into locking into my next graphics card upgrade I
74:51
have to confess makes me pretty uncomfortable me too it's a big deal you
74:54
know like buying a monitor for $800 right and then knowing cuz a monitor is
74:59
something I expect to keep for five or six years whenever I make that
75:03
investment so you're buying that really expensive really nice monitor on the
75:08
notion that you have to buy the right graphics card for the most while I have
75:11
to hope that they don't screw up that they don't screw up and have you know
75:15
another GTX you know 480 generation
75:18
where it's just not that competitive and it runs really hot or not even 480 I
75:24
don't think 480 was even the problem let me just try to think right back when AMD
75:28
had already refreshed and NVIDIA still only had 285s to compete right there was
75:33
like there was a big gap there where NVIDIA just had nothing to compete with
75:37
is that why they skipped 300 series I'm not sure I actually don't know the uh I
75:41
don't know the story behind that I still don't get that it drives me crazy every
75:46
single time I try to explain like graphics cards to people they'll be like you missed one I'm like no no no I
75:52
didn't no I don't understand either but no I didn't
75:55
all right let's go ahead and have a have a look at some of these tweets all right
75:59
if Twitter ever loads yeah that a lot of tweets man Twitter yay Alexander hul
76:06
says I hate the NVIDIA only thing although I understand it the argument
76:10
that they want to improve the experience they argue that they want to improve the
76:13
experience of all Gamers but do the
76:16
opposite they also want all Gamers to be
76:19
using NVIDIA products and whether I buy it or not part of their whole Spiel when
76:24
they origin unveiled gsync was that they were legitimately trying to improve the
76:28
experience of all Gamers by pushing this technology onto the market and kind
76:32
worked and it kind of worked AMD announced free sync three months later
76:36
vesa ratified it a few months after that like For Better or For Worse the ball
76:41
wasn't rolling to our knowledge until NVIDIA rolled the ball
76:48
so whoa just melee already says posted
76:52
today krych UK shuts down deep silver takes over hom front the revolution oh
76:56
look at that sorry to hijack someone just tweeted this to me wow this must
77:01
have been so I guess they're downsizing if nothing else yeah PC Authority cry
77:07
Tech UK shuts down interesting so guys uh here's the here's
77:14
the news for that I'm surprised I didn't spot this earlier because it's was 20
77:17
hours ago 20 hours no it has zero comments though that's what I mean yeah
77:21
that's weird it say it was 20 hours ago maybe it was written 20 hours ago
77:25
look whoa weird yeah maybe they wrote it
77:28
but they were waiting to uh waiting to publish maybe so there you go crytech
77:32
Shuffle staff as home front once again causes developer casualties in recent
77:37
weeks unpaid wages Etc has announced it
77:41
has acquired casualties on the home front
77:45
wow Deep Silver has already agreed to co-publish the game but now owns the IP
77:50
and will keep all the work that krych already performed wow
77:55
okay on to Twitter blitzing all
78:00
right um Cole says yeah I feel like AMD
78:03
is falling behind too much I feel like NVIDIA may have the edge except Titan Z
78:07
was a big failure Titan Z is a weird product to me it it really felt like um
78:13
like just kind of because we can like I
78:16
I don't really expected to do so yeah I know I I just I think because you wanted
78:23
us to I mean the thing is is if you actually look at the pricing scheme for
78:27
it 150% 150% it's about the same as R9
78:31
295x2 it's just that r9290 XS are
78:34
cheaper than Titans but then you could make the argument that
78:37
gtx780 is just as good as a Titan from a
78:40
gaming standpoint so it's just not priced for gamers and I and I I get that
78:45
I just I wish NVIDIA's messaging was a little bit more clear sometimes like it
78:49
was the same with Shield tablet where the first thing they said to us when we got in the room was this is a tablet
78:54
first we wanted it to be a really great
78:57
tablet for gamers and then all the demos were gaming demos except for the stylist
79:02
demo yeah and so I was like you you guys are you guys have your heads so far into
79:08
the gaming scene which is good I mean I get that it's just that sometimes
79:12
especially in your in your marketing communication you forget that a product
79:17
was designed for more than just Gamers like the tablet and it's really
79:20
interesting that review has like 2,000
79:23
comments on it of people discussing Shield tablet and people anywhere from I
79:28
think it's stupid Shield Portable 2 should have been released with Tegra K1
79:33
all the way to people being like yeah I actually don't really give any cares about gam stream but this looks like a
79:37
great tablet I plan to buy one K1 is fast yeah and I'm a go for it which is
79:43
uh which was really interesting to me it's a very wide ranging Market it's not
79:47
like a GPU where a lot of people like a very large amount of people are just
79:51
like yeah it needs to go quickly like it's actually there's a
79:55
huge amount of use cases for it Eric apparently feels like AMD is falling
79:58
behind with NVIDIA having the backing to create this new stuff uh bomb mask I
80:03
think AMD has dropped the ball on driver support you know what's funny is over
80:07
the last couple of years so since lus Media Group formed I just am I'm tired
80:13
of NVIDIA has crap drivers AMD has crap
80:17
drivers you know what they both have problems I can get just as mad about AMD
80:22
not supporting custom resolutions as I can about what's the stupid thing on
80:25
NVIDIA's side they support custom resolutions but when we were trying to
80:29
get that thing working yeah yeah I'm trying to remember they didn't
80:33
support shoot I don't remember anymore it's in our video about super um super
80:39
sample anti-ia sing where basically we couldn't get something working because
80:44
NVIDIA didn't support one basic feature and AMD didn't support some other basic
80:47
feature they both have issues and we've seen them both swing back and forth in
80:52
terms of stability within games stability and SLI and Crossfire and for
80:57
some reason on my personal rig using uh
81:00
GeForce experience I can't download drivers right it'll download like most
81:04
of the way and then just be like no connection to whatever server thing I'm
81:08
just like K thanks and then there was that issue that I had on the mini PCS
81:12
when I was trying to Benchmark where installing installing the proprietary
81:16
vendor specific driver off of the manufacturer of the Box's website would
81:21
install GeForce experience which would then download a new generic driver that
81:25
just wouldn't work on the machine like there's just neither of them is perfect
81:30
let's not pretend that they are that's all I have to say um I prefer g-sync
81:34
because it's available and it's proven to work I prefer free sync because I
81:38
much prefer open to closed how will you deal with freezing temps in Canada in
81:42
your whole room one Loop project great question we're in Vancouver so it
81:46
typically doesn't fall below around minus5 here
81:50
gsync but it's just unfair to not let AMD use it especially because the prices
81:56
it's not unfair um totally not unfair
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you develop a technology you leverage that technology you don't give it to
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your competitor I mean if we created a completely new way of making videos are
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we going to just like bring every other YouTuber in and give them a tutorial
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actually though well the YouTube SCS a little different I think we share a lot
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we actually probably would we probably would but yeah xaver says smooth gaming
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now gsync is great I'm getting an Swift
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want it now I would go freesync because it's the same thing except a less
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expensive option that is a theory we have no idea how much a free sync
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monitor is going to cost by that time who knows g-sync may be extremely
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inexpensive because of how mature it is because of how long it's been in
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production whereas whenever a new product or a new technology dropsens I
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mean look at 4K yeah how expensive is it
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for the first year what fraction of that price can you expect to pay for it the
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next next year so while free sync is still you know hot and new and exciting
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and there's that pent up demand from AMD users who have wanted some kind of a
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solution but don't want to go NVIDIA I think it's going to be expensive at the
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beginning do think is here now and AMD hasn't been specific on performance even
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beta benchmarks you can't Benchmark this that's not really the way it works um
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basically it just it just does what it does it's not a benchmark thing when the
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graphics card is finished rendering a frame it outputs it to the monitor which
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refreshes only when there's a new frame that's the way it
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works uh Tim says Open Standards over
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exclusive J says we need new technology free sync is good because it's here
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right now um okay gsync is already here
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and almost available free Sync has quality loss that's actually something I
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wasn't aware of with freesync so I would have to look into that a little bit more yeah do you think is better because I
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use it right now and it's amazing all right fair enough
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Quantum it really is kind of amazing I have no extensive use with it uh I
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should I should I should lend you the Swift I wonder why well the other
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monitor got taken apart by the ncx tech tips team and they haven't put it back
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together for me yet I told them I'm not putting it back together so they need to
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put it back together for me and they just keep dragging ass on it all right
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Ruck do says I'd rather see a video card company focus on video cards I can do
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video recoding and streaming with other things better interesting point but what
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you uh actually you know if we give valve a little bit more time to build
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you know an Android version of steam we could could see in home streaming show
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up on uh on Android without NVIDIA game Stream So maybe Ruck do has a point if
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we're willing to wait a little bit longer maybe we don't need any of that stuff I already have a g-sync monitor so
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I couldn't really vote any other way um amintha says no I don't think AMD
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is falling behind NVIDIA and AMD are focusing on different things and that
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will both be important to improve the industry I mean something that we didn't mention at all is mantle um mantle is
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coming for a lot of games more than I would have expected
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back when they first announced it um let me just see if I can find the list of
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upcoming games I find when most people guess the guest is far too low which is
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a good thing actually because then they'll be coming out with more so
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hopefully there's actually something you're interested in yeah here we go so
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here this is from videoc cards.com so we've got games that are here now so
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that's uh Battlefield 4 Thief Sniper Elite 3 not quite not yet available with
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mantle as well as Plants Vs zombies Garden Warfare we've got games that are
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unreleased but have confirmed mantle support Star Citizen civilization
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Mirror's Edge Battlefield Hardline Sims 4 like big deal game if you don't like
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the Sims The Sims is huge yeah just just
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it's important deal with it it's all we have to say and then there's unreleased
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with mental support pending and there's a bunch of other really interesting
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stuff in there Sleeping Dogs Grand Theft Auto 5 like all this crazy stuff I guess
85:47
for me the thing that I need to see is I need to see how mantle actually ends up
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stacking up against Direct X DirectX 12
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yeah so and I mean people thinking that
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mantle spurred on Microsoft to bring
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direct X12 to Market guys that's not what happened direct X12 has been in the
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works for quite some time already it's not it's it's not like Microsoft sudden
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this is what we kind of thought at the time because we just knee-jerk reaction
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it it's not like Microsoft hadn't been listening at all it made sense with the
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evidence that we had at the time yes in the in the in with the release schedule
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information that we had at the time it kind of made sense but no they've been working on directx12 for a long time it
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is a lower level API and it is going to bring some real improvements um so it
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remains to be seen which is going to be more important moving forward and who
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knows openg is in the mix as well
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but at least they're kind of like the g-sync thing at least AMD is pushing and
86:45
going okay well if we can have mantle support a year earlier than waiting for
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the rest of the industry to catch up then hey we can do that we can deliver
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better performance to our users and especially with buying more expensive
86:56
potentially somewhat proprietary monitors I see this as much more
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impactful than G freey anyways which gser freesync seems to be the big versus
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conversation but those games coming out with mantle on them I think might
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actually be a big deal if it turns out to actually be a big deal for Lima says
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AMD May release something big soon I don't know maybe um I was supposed to
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have a call with them this week and that didn't happen so I don't know anything
87:23
uh Delon says I want them to wait and release something substantial instead of
87:26
these gimmicks I don't like apple but take notes from them interesting wait
87:32
and release something substantial so is what you're saying that you would like
87:35
to see them wait for a new graphics card to
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release a new technology alongside entirely sure yeah I don't know cuz I
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mean I like seeing stuff like you know directx12 compatibility announced like
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you know retroactively for previous graphics cards or you know stuff like
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game stream or or some of the new stuff that they did with Shield tablet that's
87:56
now coming to Shield portable I mean all that kind of stuff I I love to see the
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technology just continue to roll never mind new products yeah
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um free Sync has been patient since 2008
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so NVIDIA is behind and used AMD stuff not really how it works Tech news um the
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one with the product on the Shelf in the store is first yeah like anyone who's
88:24
Watch Pirates of Silicone Valley we shipped first it doesn't
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matter so this is interesting in a lot of countries NVIDIA and AMD are not that
88:34
price competitive but usually it's the other way around where NVIDIA asks for a
88:37
bit more of a premium for their products so I'm not sure where you're from The
88:40
Lion gamer NVIDIA definitely has an edge with new steeld tablet but fell a bit
88:44
behind with Titan Z okay fair enough AMD
88:48
will fall behind because of the GTX 880 and 880 we don't know anything about
88:51
these cards yet if these are what we think they might be marginally better
88:55
performing Parts with better power consumption they're not exactly going to
88:59
turn the market on its head a lot of Gamers don't even look at power
89:05
consumption or noise when they shop for a graphics card they look at an FPS
89:09
chart and in that respect AMD performs
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very well from a price to Performance ratio standpoint Raptor adds some
89:18
features NVIDIA has but AMD UHD but it
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is too bloat weish yeah Raptor I know I know the game okay they they said they
89:27
have a new update it's either coming or it just came that's supposed to be way
89:30
better they asked us to check it out so maybe we'll have a look at it at some point yeah uh just I'll have a look at
89:35
it on a drive that I fully intend to just like multi like what is it called
89:40
botin nuke so oh maybe we can have a look at AI sweet lower at it oh god um
89:45
patalo Jones I just want all video cards to come with back plates installed yes
89:50
please oh my goodness you man yeah dog
89:54
yeah all right well all I agree um I think that is almost it we have one more
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thing to do before the show ends unless you had something else you wanted to
90:03
mention do we have any other rapid fire topics oh yeah we have two more things
90:06
two more things so first up okay there's
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this guy right there's this guy he has this like YouTube channel or something
90:16
we need everyone to be attentive here for a sec yeah we need everyone's full
90:19
attention let me just bring up let me just bring up his email here because uh
90:24
this this guy this guy said a thing I think he didn't believe in the power of
90:30
the W show audience so yeah I'm I'm I'm
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pumping you guys up here
90:37
Logan from Tech Syndicate is giving away his car so this is this is already crazy
90:43
and then he got even crazier he's hand delivering both his car his personal
90:49
vehicle and a gaming PC to the winner
90:53
and anywhere in the contiguous United States I think Canada was actually also
90:59
included but then the craziest thing he said was hey lonus do you mind
91:04
mentioning it on the W show and I kind of went oh yeah no problem dog but you
91:09
know um should I should I kind of get everyone to Zerg rush it all at once or
91:15
should I try to like spread it out a little bit so they don't all go at once
91:18
and he kind of went wo audience come on
91:21
they're not going to all hit our site at once sign up for this contest and uh and
91:26
you cause any problems with our server so we are going to stress test the tech
91:31
Syndicate server because I want all of you guys to go sign up to win a car and
91:36
a gaming PC of course if you qualify for the contest so please crash their
91:40
website is basically what we're asking I'm saying please go to their website
91:44
I'm saying please crash their website but do it by registering and signing up
91:48
for the yep wrecked is it down
91:57
yeah I kind of knew that would happen oh good work everyone okay guys
92:03
seriously though the contest going the contest isn't uh the contest isn't over
92:08
now so wait a couple hours go back make
92:11
sure you sign up this is a really cool giveway keep trying until you get
92:15
through don't wait a couple hours and uh what's really neat about it is not only
92:19
will Logan be hand delivering your system but Josh from fractal is going to
92:23
be coming for the road trip they're going to be making a video about the whole process
92:28
of driving the car and the gaming PC out to you I think it's a really cool
92:32
giveaway if able to get to if you're not able to get to the page right now this
92:36
is what it looks like uh win Logan's car and a game they can through anyways
92:41
because they can sign up on Facebook right yeah they can sign up on Facebook
92:44
they can sign up of the entries through Facebook so uh here let me just
92:49
see go 18 ways to enter so complete the
92:54
entries to unlock 12 more ways to enter so guys definitely check it out I think
92:57
this is really cool and of course you know we've worked with Logan not that
93:01
long ago and we had that whole successful Highlander thing so we
93:04
definitely want to make sure that we're throwing some love is way here and you can win a car you can win a car this is
93:08
the coolest package for someone who's like just at their license level yeah or
93:13
like a student that's what I mean though because a lot of students are like
93:16
working summer jobs so they can get PCS and don't have a car so if you get a car
93:21
and a PC all in one drop it's just like oh
93:24
actually have like spending money well I don't know if uh I don't know if it's
93:28
the most sensible Prize Package because as soon as you get that new gaming PC
93:32
you're not going to want to go
93:35
anywhere that's a good point actually that is a pretty good point and they
93:38
stayed in their dorm forever
93:42
forever when I had my mineral gaming PC and I was at um university living in
93:47
dorms I didn't even need a car I didn't
93:52
have it on the road I could have afforded to insured at that point in time but I was just like n i don't go I
93:57
just buy groceries like it's not that big of a deal all right our next crazy
94:00
announcement here guys is the winner of
94:03
the Rog G550 JK gaming notebook from
94:07
Highlander did not respond so we are redrawing it new
94:14
winter time see we even called this because they only had one Post Yeah so
94:18
like it's highly possible that they just won't come back here we go so let's uh
94:23
we'll redraw in real time here guys so here's the post 611 pages so first we're
94:28
going to do a random.org and I'm going to try not to do it wrong this time here
94:32
we go you did it wrong yeah cuz I had us hiding it in the corner oh I was like
94:38
I'm going to do this live so they can validate the results I'm looking here so
94:42
I didn't even notice I know Nick pointed it out to me and I was like oh oops so
94:48
first we're going to pick a page page eight wow one of the very early entrance
94:54
is going to win you can just change your yeah but then I have to type
94:59
page yeah I can never remember if it's like a dash or a slasher yeah yeah yeah
95:03
all right so here are the potential
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winners settigs 333 Josh noodle Eli wood
95:13
dedicator Linux user speezy J shadow FR
95:20
Javan Deathwing 72 the Gunslinger with
95:24
an underscore monop polo 11 Master Wars
95:29
Olive with a three and hippo 2626 Mike
95:34
theore boss froggy 12 Cole yah hore and
95:39
P super one of these folks will be the
95:43
winner so let's go ahead and do another random.org this time from 1 to 20 and
95:49
actually on the screen
95:55
seven seven I don't remember who that was all right let's count down from
95:59
seven one two three four five six
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Jess another one poost Wonder so it's
96:10
technically possible so it's technically possible te that we'll be drawing this
96:14
again in a week uh I'm just going to go ahead and why is the oh right cuz I'm
96:19
not uh not signed in just copy his name somewhere we also have footage of it
96:23
Nick to I'll get Nick to deal with it yeah there we
96:27
go winner boom so you'll be contacted
96:30
via the Forum and if you don't draw then it'll be bad for you and not for
96:34
everyone else we've got someone Leia is awesome in the chat saying I won OMG so
96:40
hopefully that's you the totally not similar at all username throws me to
96:44
assume that it might not be that person yeah probably not the same person all
96:50
right well unless we have anything else I think that's it for the w show thank
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you guys so much for tuning in we can go through build logs of the month kind of
96:58
can we yeah kind of oh all right hit it
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I I've have decided that as I am obviously very terrible at doing it whoa
97:07
whoa whoa whoa whoa sup you're not on okay cool yeah don't worry um yeah you
97:11
want to do that thing yes I do
97:15
yeah oh no okay give us this that guys don't worry dog it's all good why is my
97:20
phone ringing go away whoever you are your phone is ringing because do you
97:23
want to answer it yeah I want to answer it here go for
97:27
it do you realize he's at
97:30
work it's my
97:39
mom you can't figure out how to win the car oh oh I guess you would beig speaker
97:45
phone okay yeah here hold on I'll put you on speaker yeah there we go hello
97:54
wait there's an echo hold on hold on why is there an echo because I got a delay
97:58
on this end oh okay okay you muted us on that end now okay good all right caller
98:03
you're live on the W show what would you like to say I went to the tech Syndicate site to
98:08
try to have it
98:15
die we tried to I was trying to help make it
98:20
die but I'm on there but I don't see
98:23
where's the contest thing um okay it's the it's the link
98:30
down below so I think you have to log in
98:33
you want to like them on Facebook like fractal design on Facebook you have to
98:37
do a bunch of uh a bunch of Facebook stuff you want to check out the YouTube
98:41
link to the uh to the to the car giveaway so the actual YouTube link that
98:45
has the video embedded in it at the top of the page you want to check that out
98:49
and uh I haven't actually entered I don't think I would be eligible I don't
98:53
think I would either so I so I I hadn't actually tried I just assumed it was
98:56
pretty self-explanatory but apparently it's it's a little difficult but I don't
99:01
want to like them they're the other guys no they're good guys there's nothing
99:07
wrong with liking them besides you can unlike them after the
99:11
contest okay there that's a good idea
99:14
okay oh no all right thank you we'll
99:18
talk to you later bye Mom okay oh no all right are you ready
99:24
to do builds of the week sure um I think
99:27
their sight's back up I think they're all good now I think so yeah yeah all
99:31
right so they actually handled it surprisingly well recovery time very
99:35
good very good recovery time so I got to give Logan props their site actually I
99:41
I'll call that held up like I think if a site goes down or slows down for like a
99:45
minute when it's getting hit really hard it's not really that big of a deal that's not that big of a deal so I got
99:49
to give them props there all right oh
99:53
wait no I don't think it's up oh never mind maybe that's why she can't get to
99:57
it okay fewer props anyways moving on um
100:01
I guess we need to am I still why does
100:04
it do this
100:07
sometimes what you doing bro uh sometimes Chrome Will Will just decide
100:13
that you are logged in oh I know you can be like sign out and then you load like
100:16
a different page and it's like nope I know you're signed in and you don't even
100:20
have like other Chrome browsers open elsewhere it's just random all right to
100:25
screen we can screen share the screen so as you guys can see
100:29
we're looking at the results of the voting thread posted by someone that
100:32
wasn't me so that actually got posted and now uh there's there's a small group
100:37
of mods that will managing this so that it actually happens um SNF won because
100:43
the least surprising things ever happened this time uh because SNF I
100:47
think this this might be like his fourth time ending up in build loocks like geez
100:53
and like the winning percentage is pretty impressive yeah with a full 37
100:56
and a half percent of the votes yeah it's kind of amazing though as I'll
101:02
scroll down there to check it out so snaf gotot came in first and then second
101:05
place was enthalpy with
101:09
Noctua so I'm assuming there is a massive amount of Noctua fans on his so
101:13
this is sn's build we're just going to look at a single picture which just like
101:18
oh my goodness every single time I see his builds I wish I could personally
101:22
bring myself to take the time to plan out all these fittings yeah but just
101:28
like it's kind of amazing I there's no way I could do that lot of beautiful
101:31
machine kind of awesome really like the
101:34
two reses that looks really cool yep and
101:38
since you're the one actually screen sharing for a change they can actually
101:41
see the mouse yeah when I when I do this
101:44
yep oh man he just consistently has
101:47
really nice builds what a gorgeous machine I don't even really know what
101:51
else to say a lot of times I have like Fe feedback and it's just like no you're
101:55
Spectre Pro fans are pretty badass they actually perform reasonably well a lot
101:58
of people don't know that they actually have good static pressure and just
102:02
generally they're quite quiet they undervolt reasonably well they're quite
102:05
excellent fans and they look really nice they look really really nice I I'm not
102:09
sure if the build quality of them is quite up to what I would say is like
102:12
best think because there's two different yeah they're a two-piece fan and so they
102:16
kind of have a lot of flex to them like even when you're screwing them in you can see the whole frame Flex um but
102:21
that's really my only complaint about yeah I have some of them in terms of
102:25
like 140 mm fans in mind what do we got next NOA NOA by enpy find it that would
102:33
have won if I was picking them just because it's called Noctua project blank
102:38
has a lot of Noctua fans where is
102:42
it uhuh that's something we should maybe
102:45
is it actually project blank I don't think so oh that it must be this ah it's
102:50
cuz there's single screenshots I'm tripping myself out we're good I got it
102:54
so this is the single screenshot that was submitted for this build I do
102:57
believe unless this is also his yes it is this is why this is confusing there's
103:01
only supposed to be one what are you doing wher um anyways 23 nocas in a
103:07
custom Loop all 23 nocas are on external
103:11
radiators wow is that just like is that your your personal is that in your
103:16
multi-million dollar house no my multi-million house multi-million dollar
103:20
house would have um like a like um it
103:25
would have a fluid to fluid heat exchanger and then it would have one
103:29
Loop that goes underground so that it's actually just cooled by the Earth and
103:33
then it would have another loop that exchanges heat with that one so that's how I would get all the system heat out
103:37
of my house perfect that's how that would work obviously okay I should have
103:42
known I'm sorry duh yeah duh Oops du
103:46
that's pretty freaking cool yeah that's badass I like that he's actually like
103:49
showing off his rig very in the open I
103:53
also really can appreciate those quick disconnects cuz those are like my favorite thing ever now people like
103:58
shirt off for Riot I'm sweating so much that if I took my shirt off I would just
104:02
be so shiny the camera would like he was oiled yeah because I'm feeling the exact
104:08
same way maybe he is yeah oh man this
104:12
looks cool I wonder if I want to know if he would do it
104:18
differently who with the industrial fans
104:21
h because I think with going with this
104:25
theme I think he's fully embracing the Noctua of it considering he even called
104:30
it that y I don't know I don't think he would do it differently but I would like
104:34
to hear from him maybe if he PMS me or something anyways I think that's it for
104:38
us all right thanks for tuning in guys I hope you enjoyed the show as much as we
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enjoyed the show we'll see you guys next week same bat Time same bat Channel
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peace out bye everyone
104:54
dang it there we go