The WAN Show : SSD Overclocking, Star Citizen PC Requirements, Nintendo 2DS Joke - August 23, 2013

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0:01 all right guys welcome to the WAN Show we've got a bit of a uh wait what

0:08 what is it my hair

0:12 yes no okay well welcome to the lam show guys we

0:16 have a fantastic show for you today we're down in seattle for pax prime and

0:20 we're streaming out of a pedophile's basement so um you know it makes us feel pretty

0:24 uncomfortable but the fact that we're not young is really encouraging because

0:29 i mean my understanding of of the whole pedophile thing

0:34 is that it has to do with animals and sock puppets

0:38 and uh we don't own any animals or sock puppets because we are adults

0:43 i have animals and sock puppies and sock puppets okay

0:47 so this is a problem for me anyway but seriously you guys uh timmy tech tv so

0:51 youtube.comtechtv come on over here not a pedophile not a

0:55 pedophile yeah

1:01 can you put that on your business cards not definitely not a pedophile

1:04 definitely not a conflict you know what's funny is edsel or diesel

1:09 so edsel diesel has revealed his true name what it like

1:13 edsel yeah so edzel has revealed his true name on twitter so if you want to

1:18 follow edzal on twitter it's i at edsliago um

1:22 the business card he handed me when he came for his first day of internship

1:26 actually said definitely not a serial killer on the back and i was like so

1:30 one murder two at what point do you cross over to

1:34 serial killer i don't know anyway so tim has generously allowed us

1:40 to stay here uh saving me probably around three thousand dollars on this

1:44 trip so all i gave him was a pax prime pass so

1:48 you know hey i think it worked out great for everyone

1:52 especially me um so anyway do you want to just pimp your channel for a little

1:55 bit here and then we'll we'll get on with the show so obviously guys uh i'm no Linus but

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2:23 now all right so guys we've got some great topics for you today the star citizen

2:28 requirements look freaking awesome so good like this is we haven't seen this

2:33 since i don't know what like a title crisis

2:37 one i think where they basically came out and said nothing will run this well

2:41 so calm down fairly consistent when you went to go buy a new game you'd flip it

2:44 over and read the system requirements because you had to um NVIDIA may release

2:48 a gtx 790 we don't know more rumors more

2:52 rumors uh battlefield 4 is apparently going to run at 720p on ps4

2:57 big surprise so you can run it in the 720 penis

3:04 enjoy all that 720 penis

3:07 i mean those console guys they eat it up that 720 penis we're running 1080p plus

3:12 penises um yeah 1080p plus

3:16 yes no there's no penis in it after that point why why are you gonna why are you

3:20 gonna bring penises into everything so SSD overclocking could be a thing on

3:25 upcoming Intel ssds that's the sort of word

3:29 right away no we're not doing that right away because first we are gonna run the

3:34 intro

3:52 uh

4:01 whoa what's that that's actually the uh oh okay well that's not necessarily the

4:05 correct uh ad integration right there so we'll have

4:08 to probably show you that again anyway our sponsor for today is hotspot shield

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4:34 your ip from people who you don't want to have it i mean that you know that

4:38 masking eye penis is definitely a big thing and i wonder is it okay to say that

4:43 during a sponsorship spot i don't know but anyway we're gonna tell you more about it later on in the show for now

4:48 let's jump into the topic that slick really wants to get into for some reason

4:52 and i'm not really quite sure why so i'm gonna have to scroll all the way down

4:56 because apparently he put the ah yes here we go so this was posted on the

5:00 Linus tech tips forum i'm gonna let you introduce it since apparently this is

5:04 you have got to be kidding me this was working before so uh yeah we're gonna go

5:08 ahead and we're gonna unplug that and then plug that back in and we're gonna

5:12 hope that this works because

5:17 so far so far things have gone not too badly

5:21 today well actually they've gone terribly today in fact that could be a whole lan

5:25 show not very many things have gone well today in and of itself yeah between your

5:29 audio issues and our battery for that camera that ended

5:33 up not working with it at all in spite of the fact that they're just tweeting

5:38 just tweet the article it's crazy okay because uh this this uh this uh this

5:43 here should work right now this was this was this was working like a minute ago

5:47 so uh you know what if i do this

5:51 there is a chance that it will just break the whole thing so we're going to tweet the articles guys so if you're

5:55 following on uh if you're following me on

5:58 Linus tech on twitter Intel cpus can overclock but so can their ssds so this

6:04 was submitted on the forum here we go tweeting

6:09 uh by us five three seven three so the

6:14 original articles from tech power up and basically i think this is the most

6:19 insane thing ever so it could soon become possible to overclock the

6:22 controller and nan flash on your SSD if Intel has its way the company is set to

6:27 demonstrate how to overclock Intel branded ssds using its extreme tuning

6:31 utility at idf 2013 which is going to be in september

6:35 um okay let's let's so basically what

6:39 they're saying is it's going to be just like any other overclocking where you're going to get a performance benefit but

6:43 there will also be potentially uh reliability

6:48 issues as well stability stability issues so uh 560 megabytes per second

6:53 seems to be the practical maximum bandwidth say to six gigabit per second

6:56 ssds have been able to achieve it can always be handy getting your SSD a few

6:59 dozen more megabytes per second sequential speed at the expense of stability that's insane

7:04 but you run eight ssds i run eight it's already suicidal okay why do you care i

7:08 run eight ssds in raid zero that haven't been that haven't been overclocked to be

7:13 unstable so while they could die and while i am

7:17 multiplying the chances of data failure

7:20 by um well a lot it's a ton okay because it actually it's

7:26 like the way it works is you actually have to multiply because your chances of

7:29 failure failure rate every time yes absolute but

7:33 but hold on a second because at least those ssds are known good

7:38 at least they're stable so if someone takes two and overclocks them you think

7:41 that's insane but if someone takes eight and doesn't overclock them you don't think that's insane yeah because when

7:45 you overclock when you overclock them they're running outside of spec we

7:50 already know that on a CPU even if you

7:53 okay let CPU perfect example so when you

7:57 dial it over when you dial in an overclock you dial it in and you leave

8:01 it pretty much forever am i right okay so we already know that

8:07 when you dial in your overclock on your SSD you're gonna do it while there's no

8:11 critical data on it correct in this situation if you're overclocking

8:15 ssds you're not going to put critical data on it so your concept is you would

8:18 put no so you would just take the risk that your os would just break yeah and

8:23 because okay look look cpus the max overclocked

8:27 data do you carry on your ssds none exactly i have a homes i have a 16

8:31 terabyte server storage drives okay

8:35 if they're gonna run raid zero ssds hold on i probably have storage save games do

8:39 you have all your saved games mapped somewhere else yes okay does is average

8:44 consumer able to do that they're running a storage drive that's the easiest thing

8:48 on a plane let's even say not necessarily some games map you're safe

8:51 like freaking all over the place like it is a nightmare steam doesn't remap most

8:56 of them no it doesn't usually go to documents usually almost except when

9:00 they don't almost except when you go play that old retro game that you really

9:04 wanted to play and it goes and puts it in the program files folder which means

9:09 and then your SSD overclock becomes unstable and you lose it and now you

9:13 have to play that old game that you wanted to play over again just to get to the point

9:17 where you left off like i think it's insane

9:21 i you don't mess around with storage it's all old games on my storage drives

9:25 anyways it's not that's not the point okay

9:29 the average overclocker look at that look at the level to which overclocking

9:32 has been dumbed down at this point you press the button and it overclocks your

9:35 computer just because someone is comfortable overclocking doesn't mean

9:40 they should be overclocking their storage everyone should do this

9:43 well i don't think it's a bad thing i don't think anyone should do this would

9:46 you overclock your SATA controller

9:49 think it would be fun i think it'd be interesting it would be interesting to

9:52 just because okay remember you have worked with some crazy errors

9:58 like that stream machine okay that's the kind of [ __ ] that happens

10:04 when you have ins in unstable storage

10:08 overclocking every single thing inside their entire computer it'll be

10:12 impossible to diagnose anything because their RAM will be overclocked their CPU

10:15 will be overclocked their SSD will be overclocked and you'll never know where they are those are the people that don't

10:19 care and want to tinker with their computers they're expecting they want

10:23 their computer to be broken basically they're expecting problems i wouldn't

10:26 overclock storage on anything that wasn't

10:29 no i just wouldn't do it it's insane i i find this very surprising for the man

10:33 that runs 8 ssds eight stable ssds that work

10:39 i don't think it's going to throw them that unstable okay you know what

10:42 speaking of unstable star citizen hardware requirements separate the men

10:46 from the boys why is this unstable it's not unstable how is that a segway

10:51 because i don't want to talk about that anymore i should bring josh in here nobody

10:55 doesn't want to talk about something

10:59 all right i'm tweeting this out

11:02 if i remember quickly it's like eight gigs of system right so this was posted

11:06 on the forum by i got it i gotta look this up lukiosa um so anyway directly

11:12 translated from google translate this is awesome so get this guys eight gigs of

11:16 RAM and 64 bit are a minimum bye-bye 32-bit

11:21 buh-bye and you know what good riddance too because i don't see any reason why

11:25 the game should be designed to only have to use enough memory so that it can run

11:29 on 3d you know what no forget it 64-bit we've had three iterations of Windows

11:34 os's and if we want to talk os's that aren't Windows it's been going on longer

11:38 than that that are 64-bit and the processors have

11:42 been i mean 60 any processor that's capable of running star citizen supports

11:46 64-bit so if you're one of those people who bought Windows 7 32-bit

11:52 like sorry dude i was at a booth today this won't take

11:56 long i was at a booth today and i did my little intro explaining how we're hardware viewers trying to get into the

12:00 game stuff all that blah blah blah blah and he's like oh you'll love this we

12:03 made our game so it can work on everything i was like

12:08 did you slap it did you slap him i was like uh we'll just talk about the game

12:13 let's just talk about the game so anyway eight gigs of RAM minimum now get this

12:17 uh for optimal settings you'll need a high end pc with the technology in 1.5

12:21 years love it we haven't seen this since crisis yeah where they basically came

12:26 out or far cry i mean far cry 1 was a great example of this if you had a 9800

12:31 pro when or x1800xt or whatever was the high-end

12:34 card at the time far cry was like yeah

12:37 we don't care yeah we don't care because whatever because we don't care that's

12:42 awesome i love it because how much how

12:46 much fun is it because you know what the temptation okay here something you would never have

12:51 the discipline to do would be to play through a game at like low details

12:55 and then go back and experience it again two years later with everything maxed if

13:00 you could max it now you'd max it now i think it improves replayability to

13:04 have the game continue to look better i've done that and i've done it i've

13:08 done that yeah i've absolutely done it i mean uh i couldn't run uh i couldn't run

13:13 half-life 2 at max settings when i first played it i can't remember what game but

13:16 i know i've done it at least once so i think it's outstanding so they're saying

13:20 um something along okay so it'll run fluently with maybe a future gtx 880 or

13:26 890 and they're saying something like a gtx 770 would be expected to be adequate

13:32 for only medium settings so the last generation top tier card like a 680

13:36 which is about equivalent medium

13:41 go chris roberts you're awesome man that's so cool you and everything that

13:45 happens that's anything to do with you and all that

13:50 all right so our next article we're trying to burn through these because

13:53 slick's got to get to the byoc and i got to drive him there so it's going to get

13:57 me to the last 10 minutes yeah wait what they kick you out after at 12 yeah it's

14:02 not all night no oh i assumed that it was like you just

14:06 couldn't get in and out in the convention center they can't have people overnight i don't know that's

14:10 unfortunate i'm sorry it's okay well

14:13 okay so i'm tweeting this article yeah i had totally misunderstood how

14:18 that worked i thought we were gonna like squeeze you under the door indiana jones

14:22 style and uh and that was gonna go really well so uh the verge

14:28 published an article google blocks chromecast app that lets you stream your

14:32 own videos and there's an update now i'll let you cover this one because you

14:35 so basically everyone freaked out because google chrome or not google

14:39 chrome chromecast was not allowing people to stream their own local content

14:43 let's see if you can keep this train of thought it was absolutely ridiculous and then

14:47 google comes out and is like actually it's just not working yet so we're

14:51 blocking it because it's super buggy but it'll be available later

14:56 which is kind of like uh

15:00 it goes to show you like here's here's

15:03 the problem with the way that the media works right now and you know what we're

15:06 as guilty of it as as i think almost anyone out there we've done it with at

15:10 least one or two things we've done it with at least one or two things and the problem is that there's not many actual

15:16 sources of information because so much of it is coming from social or coming

15:21 from uh sort of like a few sort of

15:25 i don't know are they trustworthy are they not like there's not much actual

15:28 like investigative journalism being done these days but there's an awful lot of

15:34 content uh gatherers so sites like reddit are great

15:40 for spreading things but they don't really generate much and that's not to

15:44 say reddit doesn't generate anything but again it's user generated so the problem

15:48 is that when something gets reported often very little fact checking is done

15:54 and it just goes everywhere

15:57 so everyone thought this was a big thing and they're all trying to stop you from

16:00 playing your local content blah blah blah blah and in the end it's just like

16:03 no it's buggy so they disabled it so you wouldn't screw things up yeah so

16:09 yeah it's not really a problem i'm not going to worry about this too much kind of sucks for now but like

16:13 it's google they'll fix it not too worried

16:17 with that said this could be the most interesting thing i've seen out of

16:22 google um in a while i mean this is the kind of

16:26 thing that really takes the i'm holding up an iphone so this is a bad example

16:30 but this is one of those things that really takes the the phone experience

16:33 and really enhances it in a way that five years a good job five years from

16:38 now people won't even think about that this was never an

16:41 option yes so that's pretty cool their new

16:45 patent allows you to change security settings for your phone based on your

16:50 location so it's taking that location data

16:53 and allowing your phone to adapt to where you are so for example

16:58 um you could be at home and instead of requiring a passcode you

17:03 could just swipe it so like here's a scenario my iphone 4 i have set up to

17:08 wipe the phone if more than five failed attempts are entered in it

17:12 my baby picks up my iphone 4. i'm getting the nod from tim over there because yeah

17:17 he's got kids he knows um so my baby will pick it up and start mashing at it

17:21 he knows where the lock button is he knows what's up and he's like you know

17:24 mashing at it and i'm like i run over i'm like no because i haven't backed it

17:28 up in a few days please don't do that

17:31 whereas this would allow it if i'm not out and about he could just swipe it

17:35 open but i could still have the security if i leave my phone on the skytrain or

17:38 something along those lines and i mean there's other possibilities

17:42 here too like what if i could say um allow applications to access my location

17:47 data as long as i'm not 10 kilometers from home

17:51 so i could have my tweets track my location as long as i'm not somewhere

17:56 where i don't want people to know about which is that's a thing that's a really

18:00 big thing or like geo-tagging photos you know what

18:03 don't tag the stuff that's at home yeah tag the stuff when i'm like outside of

18:08 of excellent i mean how cool is it just your like small little area like where

18:12 you go shopping at home and that kind of stuff like that could don't you take

18:15 that except then once you're out in the city you're out wherever like i'm i'm

18:18 gonna sound like a noob here but do you remember when i caused some trouble for myself

18:24 by tweeting a photo through a third third-party app and not twitter that i

18:29 had taken on my phone and it still had all of the metadata on it including the

18:33 exact coordinates of where i took it yeah

18:36 i didn't realize that that was just gonna be there and

18:41 the app wouldn't automatically pull it out if i told it my privacy settings i

18:44 don't want my location shown didn't even think about it but stuff like this you

18:48 shouldn't have to think about will my mother think of that

18:51 no she's gonna no one is even gonna tell her she's most

18:55 majority of people don't know that pictures can store location data

18:59 mass amount of people so this could be the solution i mean i kind of hate that

19:03 google's patenting it or i hope that they license it for you know a penny or

19:08 less than a penny or something like i really hope that this is something that becomes completely

19:12 uh widespread but either way it's really it's a really cool idea and i'm really

19:17 happy about it um let's talk bethesda did you go to

19:22 their booth today i have been avoiding you've been avoiding it to get work done

19:26 okay fair enough i will be going though okay you're going

19:29 to cover that right yeah because i mean

19:33 so here let's talk about this bethesda is pushing to drop xbox live gold fee

19:39 for elder scrolls online players i'm gonna preface this it won't happen

19:43 it's not gonna happen other companies have tried it it didn't work for them

19:46 it's not gonna work for bethesda but the idea is that they're saying it doesn't

19:50 have to go through their servers at all apparently so microsoft servers so what

19:55 they're claiming is that if it doesn't have to use any of that it should be free for the players and they don't want

19:59 to they don't want to give them any of the gold services so they don't want any

20:03 of the gold services to be working they don't want them to have access to market

20:06 or whatever i don't know what the actual new gold services are but they wanted to

20:10 be able to bypass that completely and have it all connect directly to their

20:13 own servers i i don't think it's gonna happen i i

20:17 think that i can't remember what the other company that tried to do it was but they've already told the pes they're

20:21 like yeah it didn't work for us because if they did it for us they'd have to do it for

20:25 everyone and it probably won't work for you because if they did for you they'd have

20:28 to do it for everyone and they really would i mean it's um

20:33 it's one of those things where you know bethesda

20:36 however much weight they might feel like they have to pull around you

20:40 know if they did it for bethesda valve's

20:43 going to be like yeah yo what's up blizzard's gonna be like yo

20:49 and all of a sudden and you know activision blizzard activision right so

20:54 like everyone is gonna so you know call of duty is not gonna require it and

20:58 diablo 3 is not going to require it and all of a sudden what's going to be the benefit of an xbox live gold membership

21:03 nothing because you'll be able to play multiplayer for everything and you know

21:06 what the fact of the matter is especially with anything that's a pc port these developers are going to have

21:11 their own server infrastructure anyway just to play demos if you actually i i

21:15 do agree with this um with console players like one one big thing is steam

21:20 you can add games to it so people can see your steam presence in other games

21:23 like playing them that aren't even in steam so i have added starcraft to my steam yeah so when i go in starcraft 2

21:27 xbox live subscriptions you can see people in

21:31 multiple games and talk with them that way if you didn't have an xbox live

21:34 subscription you wouldn't be able to do that so if they're bypassing xboxers you

21:38 wouldn't be able to do that okay

21:42 uh so that's just okay that's a value that it

21:46 has it's a value that it has but it's a value that i mean i wish i wish that

21:52 i wish that xbox was a more open platform like pc so someone could just

21:56 come along and build x fire or uh or a steam type of of it's a console

22:02 but it's a console so it won't happen so all of this is just

22:06 none of this will happen none of it will happen but

22:09 you know they tried uh this was posted on the Linus tech tips forum by

22:14 top war gamer so thank you very much for posting that

22:17 although i'd prefer if you uh fleshed it out a

22:20 little bit more next time man yeah it's like a one-liner

22:24 could technically we don't know it hasn't happened yet but like

22:27 no it's not gonna happen yeah i will bet money okay

22:31 yeah how much money should we bet i don't know i'll pony up five bucks is

22:35 this legal i i oh i don't know okay moving right along

22:41 speaking of my son playing around with uh my cell phone

22:44 one in ten five-year-olds apparently has a mobile

22:49 phone will your five-year-old get a mobile phone no

22:53 but you know what the reality of it is things are changing so much and so

22:59 quickly that i can say that now but for all i know

23:04 maybe you will i don't know but at the same like i think it would be

23:08 more i read into this article and one big thing is that a lot of them were

23:12 using the phone and the data on the phone more than their parents were

23:16 okay if i was giving a phone to a five-year-old i would want to give like

23:20 a flip phone so they can have contact

23:27 okay hold on why don't we why don't we why don't we take a step back

23:31 so so hold on so the whole the whole thing here i'm going to tweet this out

23:34 so you guys can follow along with us here because i can't show you things on my screen because we can never have a

23:39 lan show that doesn't have any issues because that's how we roll suckas

23:45 that's how we roll sucka so this was posted by etrj on the forum

23:49 that guy keeps changing his image so i can never recognize him right away you

23:54 know i think it's been that one for a while yeah for a little while but before

23:57 it was a different one and i think it was something else i actually go by images oh i don't use their names

24:02 i can't i can't remember names but i can remember faces so that translates all

24:05 right so anyway the whole thing is that more than one intent of youngster spends

24:09 more than their mother or father on the phone so only a quarter capped their

24:13 youngsters contracts while just three percent said they disabled data on the

24:17 phones so they could only be used for making calls or sending text messages so

24:21 only three percent of these parents who are buying phones for five-year-olds so

24:25 we can sort of agree that they're either ahead of their time or they're completely insane one of the two and

24:30 there's a fine line yeah it's a really fine line

24:33 what could a five-year-old need a phone for

24:36 uh at five years old what like are you in you're in kindergarten you're

24:40 kindergarten in kindergarten at five um here okay i'm going to pitch

24:44 something as a parent if i could install and this actually

24:48 ties in really well into the boyfriend tracker app if i could install an app on

24:52 their phone that i could know where they are and i

24:55 could get an eta for when they're going to be home from school i could see them

24:58 walking i could see their last location for example which is a way that a lot of

25:02 those apps work so even if someone were to

25:06 uh you know kidnap them and you know no

25:09 bailor probably happened and you could i mean you can train your kids don't get

25:13 in the car with someone or whatever else but if someone snags them and you train

25:16 your kid yo you keep that phone on you you keep it turned on but you keep it

25:21 silent is that worth sort of the risk that they'll make

25:26 a long distance call to timbuktu and you'll pay a few bucks for

25:29 can you even like disable long-distance calls you probably can i mean Android is

25:33 so Android is so customizable would you

25:36 consider giving your five-year-old a phone if that's what it was for this is

25:40 the thing i was getting into is i would consider it but see my thing was the flip phone

25:44 right but that wouldn't have anything what you just said makes a little bit

25:47 more sense but then you'd have to do stuff like restricting data limits doing

25:51 all that kind of stuff because for gps you don't need like anything so restrict data limits like super low like if i

25:56 just wanted to know where my kid is and like use parental control and the thing

25:59 too though i mean guys i'm not talking about this for 16 year olds no by the

26:03 time we're talking about older kids it's a different story one they can pay for

26:07 their own bloody phone if they want one and number two is they they they kind of

26:12 they have their own minds and they have their own deal at that point whereas if i was

26:17 looking at it going okay well i've got my phone plan which is what it is an

26:21 extra sim might cost me nothing if i switch over to a family plan and i have

26:25 an old phone lying around which by the time my kid's five will be four years

26:29 from now so like you'll be inheriting like nhtc one

26:34 which will be chipped and scratched and cracked or whatever else by that point

26:37 but it'll be functional you know um

26:41 if it costs me nothing what do i care on the other hand are we teaching our

26:46 kids to be too dependent on electronics or

26:50 are we enabling them to function in an increasingly electronic world you can

26:54 probably there's probably something you get for Android that blocks all numbers

26:58 and then have like and then put it on a specific allow list then you can allow

27:02 like yours and your wife's yeah for sure that exists i'm sure 100

27:06 you can allow like yours and your wife's and maybe like the kid's teacher

27:10 right and then that's it and then you can only call and text those numbers and

27:14 then it's super restricted on dates lock down youtube lock down everything and

27:18 just have it like the most lockdown thing ever so they don't really use it i

27:21 don't know like i i guess i i mean if we were to talk about it in this kind of a

27:24 use case scenario maybe i don't have a problem with this that makes a lot more sense but i think this article is saying

27:30 i i think it's more to do with no one's doing that yeah no one's doing

27:34 that because three percent were disabling data and a quarter were

27:37 capping the contracts so these are just kids like little kids with like

27:42 smartphones smartphones and i don't think they have the discipline at that

27:45 age to go okay that's enough of whatever free running game temple run game of the

27:51 week that's not even like you can't expect that out of a five no

27:55 you can't at all yeah which is that which is why people should be using and

27:58 like again like you said this isn't a 16 year old thing yes it's completely

28:02 different totally different totally different thing take that track

28:06 rap off blah blah blah blah but like yeah

28:09 um you know what i'm gonna fire up twitch chat here and i'm gonna see what

28:12 they have to say about it

28:15 okay something something don't buy a thousand dollar mobile phone for a child

28:19 buy a bodyguard instead well okay but remember what we were

28:23 talking about was like more like them inheriting your old phone old throwaway

28:26 phones or whatever someone says what's the point of having a phone when most of the features are

28:30 disabled you must be like 14 because

28:35 as someone who was alive and using phones when the only

28:40 functionality they had was to be a phone they they're still useful

28:46 they're just not toys they're just tools but that's the point is we would be wanting to give the

28:50 little one a tool yes so it is a completely different thing

28:54 someone says next topic you know what we will get to the next topic in fact we

28:59 are ready for the next topic right now so i'm trying to do some

29:03 guys i don't know if we're going to be able to do twitter blitz today because

29:06 of the screen sharing stuff although maybe maybe we can so uh why don't we

29:10 schedule a twitter blitz for after this next topic we're actually doing pretty

29:14 good uh burning through topics here so

29:18 the boyfriend tracker app gets nixed from google play so this was this was

29:22 mostly your topic so why don't you cover this i'm gonna tweet it out right now i can't remember exactly where it was the

29:26 worst but i believe it was brazil yeah where i think they got like 50 000

29:31 downloads in two months or something yeah they're doing really good and and

29:35 it just it kind of got pretty nuts i don't know so the way this app worked

29:39 was that the boyfriend couldn't tell it was on the phone

29:43 so i think you only need temporary access to the phone so you can install

29:46 it and then it runs silently and you can access it from another phone i've kind

29:50 of got a problem with any app that runs silently on my phone like that like i if

29:54 it doesn't even put an icon somewhere that's a big problem yeah i'm not happy

29:58 about that either um but i mean honestly it probably wouldn't have gotten pulled

30:02 if it was called the child tracker app because i think it was more of a

30:06 marketing problem so

30:09 it's always that arms race right so there was another app that you could

30:12 install that would detect if the boyfriend tracker app was i mean

30:17 is this what we're moving towards though

30:20 i guess like would you allow

30:23 a girlfriend to install a boyfriend tracker app on

30:28 your phone if you knew it was there

30:32 see guys hit me on the twitch chat actually twitter blitz twitter blitz

30:36 would you allow your significant other with your permission to gps track you

30:41 we're talking harry potter style the clock showing where all the weasleys are

30:46 would you allow it no because of respect issues

30:49 why because i feel like that's not respect but you have nothing to hide

30:53 yeah okay but how can you not respect me enough to believe that i won't do

30:57 anything would you say um you know what

31:00 she completely and honestly came up to me and was like i i wanna just i'm

31:04 worried you're going into shady parts of surrey

31:07 lately um i wanna make sure you don't get jumped i'll be like i'm fine

31:13 but if she insists i'll be like okay whatever but if it's more like uh i

31:16 don't trust you i'm gonna be like yeah no okay so if it's a safety thing you

31:22 accept so basically if she lies to me and says the safety

31:25 thing then she'll be able to get it on my phone so so basically like the

31:28 patriot act is okay with you no but hold

31:31 on because that's pretty much what it is it's blowing it way out of performance

31:35 your tactics that's pulling it way out of reports it's the same thing but it's

31:39 not for me it shouldn't matter why but it's not are you okay with someone

31:42 tracking where you are regardless of the reason me i'm doing it so it helps her

31:47 mind and it's a person that is not the government it's my girl that's

31:51 completely out of proportion look i'm not okay at all with the patriot act

31:55 well that's but that i don't i don't see the difference you can't be like you

31:58 like fries therefore you enjoy killing yourself because fries are bad for you

32:03 okay that is not actually the same thing

32:06 um okay what about this what if she said

32:10 she you know she just i don't like the

32:13 idea of it okay okay what if what if she was like look how about sometime in the

32:17 next six months can i just like do a spot check on you for a month and then

32:21 i'll never ask again and it would set me at ease what if she's just an uneasy so

32:25 you just would not would not accept that but if it was for safety

32:29 but if it was like a legitimate thing for safety and i could actually buy it

32:33 ladies right if you want to track him but right

32:36 now no because i don't go anywhere shady

32:39 you go to surrey no what do you mean no you need to go to siri you go through oh

32:44 you don't go to surrey i don't go to syria you've been to my house before

32:49 i live in surrey you should permanently have an insult

32:52 you don't have a nicer partnership that's true all right so

32:58 uh yeah let's just not uh okay so basically guys we are going to

33:03 wait what okay well we're gonna align the twitter

33:07 window because apparently that's a thing and it's in the way of my twitch thing

33:12 now which is freaking genius so let's go ahead and see if we can get oh man and

33:18 my wireless connection to my little wireless keyboard thing isn't very good

33:21 so it keeps like glitching out to all balls all right here we go

33:24 oh someone says you're talking kind of loud i enjoyed the whispering because it makes like even oh it's not even

33:28 knocking about me being sexy okay well you whisper now well i'm everyone hi

33:34 how's it going welcome to the lan show we're gonna get deep into these topics

33:38 tonight have you heard of performance issues on

33:43 gtx 760. sorry that's off topic uh no unless i'm able to turn it on or off

33:49 that's a good point what if she said look i want to know where you are

33:53 but you can manually turn it off whenever you want and it'll show your last

33:57 location i'll be fine with that because then if i did get into a sketchy situation i would be like boop

34:01 okay so you're okay with her but what if she was like look i'd like you to keep it on

34:05 for the most part but turn it off if you ever

34:10 want it off no because at that point because then you have to justify why you turned it off

34:14 i'm in a sketchy situation or i'm not in a sketchy situation okay

34:19 okay no i wouldn't if yeah no okay jacob

34:22 says wouldn't mind allowing it if she asked but i wouldn't propose it when

34:26 someone asked i'd ask why she even mentions cheating i'm gone says david

34:29 lee um no not at all i should be able to

34:33 live my own life hashtag killed my wife

34:38 edward says depends if i can track her too do you care if you can try if she

34:42 says look let's track each other

34:45 if she has join our souls together

34:49 we always know where each other are i just

34:54 it's funny because oh this is gonna sound bad but you were small enough that

34:58 it like felt right

35:01 just i'm sorry it felt so wrong but it felt all right

35:08 oh your god okay so if she says you can track her too

35:11 it doesn't make a difference it doesn't make a difference to you okay and i would put her on the same thing be like

35:15 if you're ever going somewhere sketchy turn it off if you're not so sketchy leave it up nick figures it's okay if

35:19 it's both ways jason says no because that's that means she doesn't trust me

35:23 and doesn't respect my privacy uh yeah i would by the way ladies i'm available so

35:28 it's called the by the way ladies the one thing i think is you could do it as

35:32 like a silent emergency thing so if you turn it on and she starts getting gps

35:36 notifications from your phone she knows something's wrong right that makes a lot

35:39 of sense other than that no someone says i'd never let an imaginary person track

35:43 my movements wow can you can i get a hashtag forever alone over there

35:47 seriously

35:51 uh only if she would keep a record so that i didn't have to write in my

35:54 journal okay i think we're gonna move on to our

35:58 next topic here so uh

36:01 ea catches flack over plants and zombies this was actually submitted via twitter

36:07 by joseph chang so i'm gonna go ahead and tweet out a tweet i guess i could

36:11 just retweet it right lol

36:15 your account may not be allowed to perform this action are you freaking kidding me

36:19 come on twitter don't let me down i've had a hard enough day already we're

36:23 gonna tweet the url to a tweet my tweet was posted so anyway

36:27 um why don't you talk about this while i set up our uh so the reviews for plants

36:32 vs zombies on mobile i believe this was the google play store yeah so the google

36:36 play store reviews for plants vs zombies are horrible and if you're wondering why

36:40 it's because you have to buy the plants and i i can't remember exactly i don't

36:44 have the laptop in front i think it was something like by the time you buy a few plants it's like 20 bucks i think it was

36:49 like three bucks for the sunflower plant which is pretty much required to play the game come on yay did you not make

36:56 enough money from plants vs zombies was it not enough of a blatant cash in to do

37:00 plants versus zombies too they have that have you checked out the packs does it

37:04 look different it does there's more units and stuff but

37:08 like ugh one thing that i saw was the sunflower

37:11 thing looked like it had like a sunbeam thing which is

37:15 but we're just talking pay to win like honestly

37:19 you know as evil as it is i think candy crush saga probably did it best

37:24 where you can play the game

37:27 no matter what the whole game but if you want to get through faster have you

37:32 played candy fresh no okay so there's a timer on how often you can get

37:38 uh new lives so you get five at a time and it peaks

37:41 there and then you gotta wait 20 minutes or whatever for a new life and they re

37:45 and you can buy more you can buy more or you can gift them to each other on

37:49 facebook and stuff and that doesn't cost anything so it

37:53 spreads the game which is brilliant it gets people to pay to play faster to

37:58 because they're enjoying it they're addicted to it which is brilliant and you can have the entire game

38:02 experience but it's not really needed but because it's not needed i'm

38:05 surprisingly okay with that yeah i'm down i'm down i mean someone who is a

38:11 total cheap person like my wife

38:14 who won't pay any money for it doesn't pay her five games and then that's it

38:18 and that's probably fine and she'll team up with their co-workers at work so they can all gift turns to each other do you

38:22 get like gifted turns yeah so you don't get them but you can trade them you can

38:26 do both okay yeah yeah i mean it's great yeah very cool that's cool but yeah okay

38:31 like this pairs in i don't know if this is this a topic here where they're

38:34 saying all all of ea's major titles are going free to play uh yeah i think we do

38:39 have that topic we might as well jump in we might as well jump in there okay guys

38:42 so this was a Linus tech tips forum topic as well so it was submitted by

38:46 qwerty warrior which is basically just a uh

38:49 a smart arse way of saying keyboard warrior but i love it

38:54 but only in north america and other regions where they do not use the azerty

38:58 or quirtzy or whatever the other things are anyway so

39:03 dvorak yeah so this is on nextpowerup.com and

39:08 according to a recent interview with their chief operations officer peter

39:13 moore epic interview moving forward all

39:17 of electronic arts major franchises would be embracing a free-to-play online

39:23 business model right in the middle of a fairly normal interview just drops the

39:28 biggest bomb and it's funny because

39:31 you know what they were on a roll there they were two weeks i think two weeks in

39:35 a row we had like touchy feely at least

39:39 self-hug ea moments and now they do this

39:42 so he basically said we don't ship a game

39:46 at ea that is offline it just doesn't happen

39:49 gamers

39:55 i'm just quoting no direct quote man whatever anyway it doesn't happen gamers

40:00 want to be connected so their stats and achievements reflect who they are yeah stats and achievements

40:05 um so blah blah something something something etc etc etc um

40:09 more touted that their existing free to play efforts with their most successful

40:12 games battlefield and fifa i don't think he quite understands what free to play

40:16 means because battlefields uh there's there's

40:20 battlefield 3 or whatever okay it's not battlefield three i don't

40:24 think yeah it's like there's okay so with their with their most successful

40:28 so i guess they're saying their most successful franchises so

40:33 yeah um i don't think necessarily think they're gonna take battlefield 4 or

40:37 battlefield 5 and make them free to play but i guess they're going to look at

40:40 monetizing older games this way i think yeah i think they'll take older

40:44 platforms more more little kind of scaled down

40:47 platforms make them free to play and this might be a more major turn for the

40:50 future as well maybe battlefield 6 comes out fully free to play who knows or

40:54 something like that i mean i i gotta wonder at what point though because i

40:58 mean free to play has worked so well because it was different

41:02 whereas i think that people will eventually wise up to that if they

41:06 bought the mp5 in battlefield 4 and they're buying it

41:11 again in battlefield 5 and again in battlefield 6 that they've just given ea

41:15 16 for the same gun a lot of people the

41:18 anger bubble is growing the anger bubble is definitely growing over free to play

41:22 speaking of anger bubbles nintendo 2ds so this was a joystick article i'm going

41:27 to tweet this out um it looks like a kid's toy which i guess

41:32 it is but it doesn't look like a very good kid's toy

41:36 i wouldn't buy it for my kid my favorite thing was when i was looking at it i was

41:40 like oh that doesn't look very comfortable to hold no and then you see

41:43 the kid playing and he's like uh and i'm like yeah that doesn't look

41:48 comfortable they look better it it really looks like um like fisher

41:52 price and this this wedge shape they're going for you know sony tried a wedge shape

41:57 for a tablet it was a complete and utter failure they

42:00 were like yeah well our concept is that we uh we want it to feel like holding a

42:05 book if i wanted to feel like i was holding a book i'd hold a book

42:10 if i wanted to feel like i was holding a doorstop i'd hold a doorstop i'd mod a

42:14 screen into it or two

42:18 and he wouldn't be 3d yeah my thing is like

42:22 okay release a costed down version release a cost of down version that's a

42:26 2ds okay that's fine that's what a lot of people have been asking for anyways

42:29 add a freaking hinge and i mean the fact that one of the screens is smaller like i understand the

42:35 touchscreen really is a secondary screen but when you look at like like the bomb

42:39 cost for something like a phone when you actually like look at what these screens

42:42 cost how many pennies did they save like really pennies or even a dollar

42:48 by doing it this way and i mean i understand that a dollar over 10 million

42:52 units is now 10 million dollars i get that i really do

42:55 but okay so it plays all 3ds and vs games

42:59 but in 2d which i guess is sort of a step in the

43:03 right direction yeah i it's just it's too bad that the device itself is too

43:07 deep

43:12 anyway i just if it folded i would actually be completely on the other side

43:16 of the team like if you

43:22 so with that i'm actually going to segue into and i know this is going to be

43:27 awkward because this is not squarespace so uh we we have gone through we have gone

43:32 through quite a thing over the last uh over the last little bit here so we're

43:37 going desktop we're going this we're going to our new

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43:46 pretty excited about so if you guys haven't heard of hotspot shield it's

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43:54 definitely a service but it's also an app available for mobile platforms that

43:58 is a vpn so if you're not familiar with what a vpn is can you give sort of the

44:02 networking explanation of what that means it's it's

44:06 you're basically making it so everyone on the outside of your computer thinks

44:10 that your computer is somewhere else and is someone else and is someone else so

44:14 basically the implications for that is if you don't want your activity logged

44:18 by your isp you can use a vpn if you don't want search providers and all this

44:23 kind of stuff creating profiles for you you can use a vpn if you're behind a

44:26 school firewall and you really need to get contact with your mom you can't call her but you know she's on facebook you

44:31 can use a vpn there's a whole bunch of other use cases but those are

44:35 i mean i think one of the strongest use cases for it is getting around regional

44:39 restrictions i mean as a canadian where really i feel like america's hat a lot

44:44 of the time and i'm like yeah i understand this is an american tv show

44:48 we want real netflix too but right

44:52 you know why why am i getting the sort of like

44:55 pablum edition of everything and you know i think something like south park

44:59 was one of the things that was most frustrating to me back when they used to stream it on i guess it was comedy

45:04 central and all of a sudden there was this regional restriction oh sorry we

45:07 can't stream this in canada and i'm like are you are you freaking kidding me a

45:10 vpn will get around that so the way that their service works is i think there's a

45:15 couple of different um there's a couple of different places where your vpn ip

45:19 can come from so it will appear as if your traffic is coming from somewhere

45:24 other than where you're actually located so i know that they can assign us ones

45:29 very easily so if you're someone in australia or canada or the uk and you

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45:38 like that this can be a great way to do it something that they also advertise is

45:43 that if you're on a mobile data plan it only works on iOS right now so something

45:46 like an iphone it can actually compress web pages that you're downloading on the

45:51 fly for you so that you actually effectively use less of your data so

45:56 because they are an intermediary for the connection the website sends it to them

46:01 they go oh okay this could be compressed a little bit and then it goes if they

46:05 beam that like i'm using the word beam i sound like i sound like a politician

46:08 series of two okay so they tube it uh to your phone so

46:12 your your mobile carrier actually never

46:16 sees that larger data set that the website would have served to you

46:20 so this is particularly useful if you're viewing full desktop versions of

46:23 websites which can be full of all kinds of you know whether it's flash banners

46:27 which is less of a concern these days but any kind of uh content that is going

46:30 to be very data i mean you could load up a thread on the Linus tech tips forum

46:34 with you know two mag massive pictures in it by accident and it's like oh crap

46:38 right so anyway there you go guys hotspot shield we do have an offer code

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47:08 use code Linus and you can save a few bucks on that so thank you very much again to

47:13 hotspot shield for sponsoring the WAN Show here in our sort of haphazard uh

47:18 setup that we've got going on here and let's go ahead and move into our next

47:23 topic speaking of sponsors for the lan show i guess we might as well we forgot

47:26 to wear our headsets because we barely even remembered to pack them we were

47:30 like running around everywhere there we go razor combs so if you guys haven't

47:34 tried razer comms yet it's razer's voice chat clap platform that you can use for

47:40 chatting with your fellow gamers it has overlays that don't kill you the same

47:44 way the skype ones do and for all of you guys

47:47 when we did our video about why we were using razer comms for collins for all of

47:52 you guys who are all like yeah you guys really brought up that uh the skype ip

47:56 resolver thing is a problem of the beta fix yeah the beta didn't fix it so we

48:02 actually have a huge apology that we owe

48:05 to shaw yeah our internet provider we thought

48:09 they were throttling us one of the times it was an issue with them which was just

48:14 terrible terrible timing yeah terrible

48:17 timing which led us to believe that that cemented the diagnosis for us so they've

48:21 actually only had a problem with our connection one time other than that in

48:26 spite of skype beta being used uh the ip

48:30 resolver works we were being ddosed so we will no longer be using skype

48:34 internally at all we can't skype is dead

48:38 to me um so i'm going to be using

48:41 i'll be using razer comms for again for voice communication i'll be using google

48:45 talk i'll be using anything but skype at this point so guys if you're using skype

48:50 ditch it it's time because it is as simple as anyone knowing your skype

48:54 username they key it in they see not only your current ip

48:58 but a history of ips where you've signed into skype so they're gonna have the ip

49:03 of your office your home your mother's home wherever you happen to sign into

49:08 skype and use it so guys peace out skype it was nice knowing you

49:13 i preferred msn thanks all right me too i love those old new

49:16 usernames everyone's old usernames on msn were amazing

49:20 it's just so good all right what do we got here ah

49:24 adblock buying ads this is fascinating this did you see my notes oh is it live

49:29 again i feel very strongly about this

49:33 like super super low strongly so i'm tweeting out this thread on the forum

49:37 guys this was posted by mac on the forum thank you very much for submitting this

49:41 topic guys remember you can have a chance to be featured on the WAN Show

49:44 which basically makes you a celebrity oh yeah if you post in the news section of

49:48 the Linus tech tips forum so

49:52 for a while i guess the video oh you know what it might still be set to private because sometimes the thumbnails

49:56 load yeah the video is set to private now so ad block uh you know what here go

50:01 when i checked it the video was set to private and the website was not loading

50:05 so i actually don't know a lot about the campaign or other than the fact that

50:08 adblock was buying ads which is ridiculous so they're buying ads for

50:12 adblock they wanted to crowdfund

50:16 the concept of them buying up ad space so that ads wouldn't

50:23 be able to be in it and it sounds noble at first but hold on

50:27 so they even wanted to crowdfund something like a super bowl ad and i'm

50:31 kind of looking at it going okay well a that's insane because that's a lot of

50:35 money that's a lot of money but b the people who feel really strongly about

50:38 adblock and that the internet should be ad free might be willing to pony up for

50:43 that kind of a utopian future and they also need to uh get on the reality train

50:47 because it ain't gonna happen the internet would shut down tomorrow if ads

50:51 didn't exist on the internet mark my words if these guys are buying space

50:55 that it can be empty they'll just run out of money and then it won't matter

50:59 yes the internet will keep being supported by ads and you know what the

51:03 reality of it is is creators like us do rely on ads i mean you know what i

51:09 think this is a great time to give a huge shout out to the forum for all the

51:12 support they gave us through the first blood campaign i mean i think some

51:15 people thought that we weren't going to talk about how much money we've taken in we've taken in over 11 000 already you

51:21 guys have been absolutely amazing and i feel like you know we want to be

51:26 accountable to you guys about what we're gonna use the money for so probably

51:30 anywhere from half to two-thirds of it is going to retroactively cover

51:33 everything we've spent on the forum up until now it has been a lot it has been

51:36 a lot and then some of the other stuff is going to be used to allocate towards

51:40 some new back-end software we need in order to i think what we need an

51:44 encrypted back-end thing that's like six hundred dollars a year or something stupid like that

51:49 round i'm hopefully trying to work on one that's less than 600 a year but it's

51:53 it's a lot encrypted we need some new modules for the forum that are pay

51:56 modules we've relied on a lot of free ones and a lot of you know really

52:00 generous people to help us keep things going we want to be able to pay generous

52:03 people who have helped us keep things going so wind speed has been actually

52:07 paying out of his own pocket to host that forum for a long time we want to

52:11 pay him back so that like we can actually be self-sustaining and i mean

52:16 the community's response to that has been absolutely amazing but what i need

52:20 to throw in there is that eleven thousand

52:24 dollars is a lot of money but it's not

52:27 because eleven thousand dollars is going to pay for all that stuff

52:31 and then at some point we're going to need to run another campaign and the form is going to need to to keep

52:35 bringing in money and that doesn't even actually pay for any of the salaries of

52:40 any of the people who are working on it no we didn't factor it in no

52:44 so it is extremely expensive

52:48 to have people and staff and make videos

52:52 and uh and buy equipment and have a place to

52:55 do it and all of those things and we rely on ads in a big way whether it's

52:59 something that we're integrating in the video like the sponsorship from razer comms which by the way download using

53:04 the bitly link it helps us out a lot don't know how to say that in a way that

53:08 can be more clear whether it's whether it's through that

53:11 or whether it's through google ads or whatever else the case may be if the

53:14 internet didn't have ads tomorrow if ad block became 100 effective and it could

53:20 even block me talking about this right now i would run out of money and

53:26 every any creator would not be able to create unless they also had a day job

53:30 which i really feel would hurt the quality of the content i like to believe

53:33 that it would have to what we've produced since i was no longer at ncix

53:37 is better than what i was able to make when it was just like me with a chest

53:40 tripod in a corner of my house in the attic trying to make a video

53:45 and not fall asleep while i was trying to make it because i had to be at work the next morning and i had only just

53:49 gotten back home from work an hour ago so there you go guys it's honestly this

53:54 campaign makes no sense yeah because they're paying for the ad and it's

53:58 temporary they're not buying out ad space yeah adblock needs to screw right

54:02 off so there you go um with that said if you feel very very

54:07 strongly that you absolutely must have adblock obvious obviously there's

54:10 nothing i can do to stop you but i do thank the people who don't use it and i

54:14 mean i know there's some people that do use it on the forum for example and

54:17 contributed to first blood if that's the compromise that works for

54:21 you guys then as long as we're finding a way to stay in business then you know

54:26 we're okay but if there were no ads that's my whole point that future of the

54:30 internet doesn't exist we're gonna make a makeup channel no one uses that blog

54:35 i know right the best yeah all the like least tech savvy yeah that's that's what

54:39 we're gonna do you know we're gonna abandon technology because you guys are

54:42 all too tech savvy for us um

54:46 this is awesome battlefield 4 runs at 720p upscaled to 1080p on

54:52 playstation 4. i'm going to tweet this out go

54:56 so yeah upscale to 1080p runs at 720p runs at 60fps though so it was a

55:01 compromise apparently they could have done 1080p but at FPS

55:06 so if they're doing the oh but you want it to be smoother kind of thing which

55:11 compromising for consoles just always compromises for consoles

55:15 um i mean basically my take on this is are we really surprised i mean here's

55:19 here's the crazy thing is everyone's talking 4k

55:23 next-gen consoles they're talking 720p on current

55:27 games i mean battlefield 4 isn't even running

55:31 a new frostbite engine

55:35 it's kind of pathetic like i was looking at were you looking at battlefield 4

55:38 today running on the uh they weren't running on xbox ones but they were

55:41 running on like kind of crappy pcs kind of thing wasn't supposed to be simulated

55:46 basically yeah yeah it looked i was like okay it looks like battlefield 3. i i

55:52 actually did two takes of my whole thing in front of it one of which was um okay

55:57 so it looks like consoles finally have battlefield 3 because uh the last time i

56:02 saw battlefield 3 being played on a console it was on an xbox 360 and i was

56:06 like i was looking at it going like what is that counter strike because i had

56:09 never seen it run on a console before i'd only seen it on a pc and i was like

56:13 no it looks like hey they're finally catching up but what's that aliasing

56:18 and like oh the frame rates on everything i was watching people playing racing games and i was just like ew

56:23 it's disgusting racing games at 3dfps are you freaking kidding me steambox

56:26 people build your own steam box i'm like okay i was i was making fun of forza as

56:32 well because i was like oh check that out it's got great graphics just like

56:35 we've had for years oh hey check that out it's got like surround sound around

56:38 like a cool like car driving seat that's modded into a display just like pc has

56:42 been having for years oh hey look they have surround monitors just like pc's

56:46 had for you oh wait no no i don't that's not a thing

56:53 yes this is kind of brutal i know i know you

56:57 can do surround monitors on consoles but you need multiple consoles

57:01 they can talk to each other that is such a joke dude just just buy more consoles

57:05 you know what this is this is the lecture i gave at the meetup today at

57:08 pax uh where i had probably about eight people who i hope heard me

57:13 you don't have to buy new pc hardware i'ma let that sink in for a minute

57:19 go buy a 5870 they're cheap you can get

57:23 those things cheap used maybe 50 bucks 60 bucks that

57:28 is a very capable card it is iffinity capable you can pick up non-tn monitors

57:33 these days for a hundred dollars less than a hundred dollars so for a few

57:37 hundred bucks you throw that card into whatever pc you're running you throw a

57:41 few monitors on it holy crap what a gaming experience you have that cannot

57:44 be replicated on a console like

57:48 this this is a big thing in the whole discussion we're like oh you can't build

57:52 a computer for this jeep it's like yeah that's

57:55 possibly true possibly you can if you go through other

58:00 means yes you know what where there's a will there's a way it is possible to build a

58:04 pc that is competitive with a console or better and is as cheap or cheaper than a

58:08 console 500 is a lot of money and that's what microsoft's asking for xbox one so

58:13 yeah i can't like flail my hands around in front of that pc and expect it to do

58:18 anything but quite frankly with the experience i've had with connect in the past i'm not expecting it to do much

58:22 anyway they had some connect demo that they were showing off today with xbox one and

58:27 like the whole demo was just like a character customization screen so we

58:31 eventually walked away from it it was just kind of stupid anyway we've tweeted out another topic i

58:36 want to make sure we cover all of our headline topics because we notoriously

58:39 do that yeah we're like yeah upcoming on the WAN Show things we're not going to

58:43 talk about after all um so NVIDIA is rumored to be releasing

58:49 a dual gk 110 graphics card so these

58:52 chips are gonna have to be pretty drawn back i think i disagree

58:57 and i'm gonna hold on i'm going somewhere with this okay so AMD has

59:01 exceeded the pci express back already with 79.90 so the precedence been set

59:07 okay whatever screw specifications apparently it's game over for that

59:11 um so this would be you know the two

59:14 graphics cards are supposedly so there's supposedly according to videocards.com a

59:19 couple of graphics cards so a gtx titan ultra and a supposed gtx 790. the rumor

59:24 is that gtx 790 won't be more than a thousand dollars um they say making such

59:29 a graphics card might be a challenge et cetera okay they're already making

59:33 uh boards for NVIDIA grid that have four

59:37 gk 110s on them so

59:41 they clearly have the technology so to speak what is that and uh

59:47 wind speed says uh when new consoles cost a thousand dollars in australia you

59:51 can definitely buy a new pc for the cost of a console anyway if they can do that

59:56 then i think it's doable if they could build gtx 295 with the technology they

60:00 had then that was a very power hungry chip i'm just the only reason why i said

60:04 drawback was i shouldn't say drawn back chips vrm later on that is gonna be

60:08 ridiculous that'll be ridiculous but uh Radeon hd7990 was ridiculous as well and

60:14 i mean NVIDIA does such a great job of

60:17 the electrical design of their cards they never coil wine for the most part

60:21 they've done a great job of cooling i mean you look at something like gtx

60:24 titan or gtx 690 how quiet

60:28 those cards are yeah if they kind of went okay well okay let's let it make a

60:33 little bit of noise could they cool the thing i think so

60:37 could they make the board longer i mean remember it wasn't that long ago that

60:40 graphics cards were getting longer and longer every generation

60:43 many i mean i would go as far as to say most gaming cases these days can

60:47 accommodate a 12-inch card 30 centimeters used to be a big problem

60:50 though used to be a big problem but i mean it's evolved since then how many

60:54 gaming cases these days have removable hard drive pages that you could put a 15

60:58 inch graphics card in it and if NVIDIA's gonna say look it's a thousand dollar

61:02 graphics card buy it you know what you can get a Corsair 300r for less than a

61:07 hundred dollars go buy a case if you want to have this

61:11 unbelievable gaming experience so i don't know i don't i don't i you

61:16 know what's funny is i talked to NVIDIA today and they were basically like come

61:19 on man and i was like come on and they were like come on man you know

61:24 you know we can't talk this i'm like come on

61:27 i got nothing you know what i did get though i got a carrying case for my shield really yeah they were selling

61:32 them in the booth and i was like yo dawg

61:38 it was like a big problem it took like 15 minutes

61:41 which were they got 30 bucks i should have just bought one because i felt

61:45 terrible the amount of time i wasted of people who i know make six

61:51 it's figures oops

61:55 because like they had to go get someone who had to go check with the person

61:59 overseeing the entire move who had to go and override something in

62:03 their system because they had like an inventory system i was like yeah i

62:07 feel really bad about this because like my pr guy was like yeah we'll just send

62:10 you one i was like dude it's gonna cost you like 40 bucks to ship me that to

62:14 canada remember i'm in canada he's like oh yeah crap okay i'll see if i can do it i was

62:19 like thank you it's so nice it's really nice i want a shield that i

62:24 can't uh we got the uh i had a bit of a problem with the buttons on my first

62:29 shield sample i know it's the new one's way better have you you've tried it yeah

62:32 yeah oh it's way better i took it out of the box because i wanted to ship this

62:37 one in the box because i had to ship the other one back right yeah and when i

62:40 took it out of the box it's like i want to try it but no i don't have time

62:44 to put it down oh it's so awesome uh when i'm done the review you can play

62:48 around with it for a bit sweet and uh then you can decide it because you're

62:51 gonna buy one right that's your plan now oh right you got a car oh

62:56 but i do want to at some point all right let's uh i don't know let's maybe pick

63:00 like two or three more topics and maybe i can get you back for half an hour a game sure i'm sorry i feel terrible

63:05 about this guys it takes forever to get the stream set up today i'm more

63:09 sad for the huge group of people that i've dragged along with me i blame

63:14 comcast although you know what maybe i should just back off on blaming isps for things

63:19 for a while

63:22 maybe it was just a horrible timing because shaw said they were borrowing us that

63:27 one weekend guys hit us up on twitter we want to do a twitter blitz here just hit

63:30 us with some random q a and you know what i want to say a huge thank you to

63:34 everyone who's watching we have 2 700 viewers in spite of the fact that we are

63:39 streaming at four or five hours later completely the wrong time of day you

63:43 know we were supposed to have marcus brownlee on as our guest today really

63:46 but when i realized that it just he

63:50 scoops he's east coast oh no so it just wouldn't have worked at all

63:54 although i'm hoping to make an appearance on the tech at some point and

63:57 i'm hoping to appear in a pirillo vlog because everyone's here everybody's here

64:02 so it's going to be it's going to be fun over the next couple days i'm going to try and find some time for that awesome

64:05 but thank you guys so much for watching and we're sorry it's at the wrong time

64:09 we're going to be back to the regular schedule next week our guest next week is tiny tom logan and our guest the week

64:13 after that is marcus brownlee from mkbhd so we've got some really good guests

64:18 coming up i think you guys are gonna love it so um

64:22 here we go topic

64:26 evga has the mini itx hadron case with an integrated psu looks really sharp uh

64:31 siri apparently responds snarkily when

64:34 asked to talk about google glass um

64:38 your comment is would this have happened under jobs absolutely

64:41 yes i but i said that but jobs would have had a response

64:46 that's the second line there is there would have been an answer

64:49 there wouldn't it wouldn't have just been like oh yeah so uh glass sucks it

64:53 would have been like yeah glass sucks here's an alternative or we're

64:57 developing this because that glass thing isn't ready yet but we're gonna have

65:00 something that's awesome so here's some of the snarky responses i just tweeted out the thread from top war gamer i uh

65:07 i think that glass is half empty Dan stop trying to strap me to your forehead

65:11 Dan it won't work um glass i think you've got the wrong

65:14 assistant Dan i'm not glass and i'm just fine with

65:18 that so these are these are some examples of some of the things siri might might say

65:23 if asked about google glass i don't know i don't think it's that funny i

65:28 they're they're not that funny yeah one if they were really funny i think it

65:32 would be weird and it probably would be really funny if it was under jobs

65:35 because he probably wouldn't have let it come out if it was just kind of weird

65:38 and lame lenovo's gonna start shipping an aftermarket start menu with their pcs

65:42 this is interesting what a kick in the what a kick in the balls for microsoft

65:46 just do something it's like yeah your concept we don't like it because it

65:50 sucks and you know what's you know what's you know what's something that i i actually feel kind of bad about this

65:54 because i i don't know you know this i was the i was the head of pc systems

65:58 when i was at ncix so the decision

66:01 for whether or not to just install a start menu on every Windows 8 pc that

66:06 that we shipped i i nixed it i said no

66:10 because i had concerns about the eula

66:14 i had concerns about you know getting proper licensing in place for the start

66:19 menu um ncix compared to lenovo is a

66:22 relatively small fry i had concerns about damaging the relationship with

66:26 microsoft by undermining the initiative that they were trying to

66:30 do for better or for worse um

66:33 but now that lenovo's kind of gone down that road i think the others are gonna

66:37 fall you need that to defend your i'm gonna defend and not

66:42 defend your position one it's really really helpful to have that big guy do

66:46 it first yes two i think you could have avoided a lot of those issues if you

66:49 didn't do it by default and had it as an option because if it's a user selected

66:53 option i think that opens a lot of doors if it's a you but i mean a lot of even

66:57 free programs a lot of them the way that the licensing works is that you're

67:02 you're not allowed to uh install it on behalf of someone else

67:07 that's a big problem okay so it would have had to be a complicated deal and i

67:10 don't know that ncix would have even gotten the kind of attention that someone like lenovo would have for

67:15 reaching out to a classic start or whoever else the case may be so

67:20 yeah i don't know like i felt kind of like i i knew the right thing to do a

67:24 lot of work from a user perspective yeah was install it but then on the other

67:29 hand what if it confuses people what if they're not expecting to have a start menu you'd have to it would have to be

67:34 user selected yeah i don't think you could do it by default i mean i think

67:37 what we ended up doing was we put an install

67:41 file in the middle of the desktop okay so i mean do you do you think that's a

67:45 good compromise that's not a bad compromise maybe something you could have done is just had a mass copied

67:49 notepad that explained what it was so AMD has updated their roadmap to

67:54 reflect 2014 market changes so they are

67:58 anticipating that they will be shipping 70 percent apus while cpus which to be

68:05 clear are kind of the same thing but they don't have an onboard graphics

68:10 core are going to make up only 30 of sales in i think what are you saying

68:14 2014 here so by the end i don't know your dates are all mixed up on this uh

68:18 but the am3 in 2014 AMD's am3 socket

68:22 will retire after five years and i think they're counting am2 am2 plus a m3 am 3

68:28 plus or whatever whatever it is anyway that socket is going to retire

68:32 now with that said apu is not necessarily a bad direction

68:38 particularly with the way that you look you look at the way that applications

68:42 like adobe premiere even are going to leverage the CPU and the opencl

68:47 capabilities of that processor we could be looking at the potential oh that no

68:52 film school article from b-roll isn't in here

68:55 with the uh the mac mini built into the camera that must not have synced okay

68:59 you know where to add that one well we'll talk about it next week because i want to wrap this up but anyway um so

69:04 AMD is is just saying well no it's a cp with a graphics card but the way that

69:08 that's going to work it might end up being more useful to have a quad or a

69:12 six core CPU with an equally large graphics core that

69:17 accelerates all the other things your computer does and more efficiently

69:20 so you know i think a lot of people are looking at this going well okay it's the

69:24 death of enthusiast grade cpus

69:28 maybe not what if a game engine could be optimized

69:32 to leverage your dedicated graphics card to actually draw the image on the screen

69:36 your CPU for your ai

69:40 and your GPU component of your apu for

69:44 oh i don't know uh physics calculations or something along those lines what if

69:47 we just need to utilize it better and the reality of it is it's not just AMD

69:51 pushing this Intel's haswell uh Intel's haswell gener

69:56 Intel's haswell fourth generation core whatever okay

70:00 haswell from Intel is basically didn't do a whole lot to the

70:05 CPU component but they massively beefed up the GPU on there from AMD's

70:09 definition that's an apu it's also capable of the same kind of

70:14 like heavily parallelized compute uh performance

70:19 as AMD's solution yeah and like you said if they optimize

70:22 different things for it it makes a lot of sense we're looking at a completely

70:26 different way of building a CPU i mean apu could be that and and with future i

70:30 can't remember the name it is actually yeah yeah i can't remember the name of

70:33 it but the thing they're saying ps4 has over xbox

70:37 uh uh homogeneous system architecture or

70:41 whatever it is schema or whatever it's called yeah um anyway the point is that

70:45 the uh the CPU and the GPU can access the memory at the same time and share

70:49 with each other in a way that's totally unique and hasn't been done before which

70:52 would also help that whole situation that you were talking about yes

70:56 so i mean we could be looking at um oh i really wanna you know really really i

71:00 wanna talk about that camera um i gotta talk about this camera i

71:03 can't i can't find the link right now i'm sorry guys but there's a camera

71:07 being shown off right now that's basically what is it a two and a half k camera brandon yeah okay so it's a two

71:11 and a half k camera that has a mac mini built into it

71:14 so what that means is if you were out in the field for example you could shoot

71:19 uh you could cut together you could output and you could upload from one

71:23 machine so you get home from your shoot you put that on your desk you plug your

71:27 monitor and peripherals into it boom now you're editing now i think that a

71:32 mac mini is ridiculous for this kind of an application and

71:36 makes absolutely no sense but where i see the potential here is i

71:41 i actually had this argument in the car with edzel who is diesel and brandon who

71:45 is b-roll because apparently we're all using real names now i have now tweeted that article so you can grab it awesome

71:50 um i'll just retweet it here yeah if i if i can so

71:56 uh let's retweet that right now there we go hopefully it doesn't tell me i'm not

71:59 allowed to do that go go go all right so i retweeted that so um so the argument i

72:05 had was because they were saying oh well that's that's stupid we'll always want

72:08 dedicated devices for things i went no hold on because oh yeah yeah yeah edsel was

72:13 saying it'll always be cheaper to have a

72:16 specialized chip that just does the one thing when you build a camera and i said

72:20 not necessarily think about it this way what's cheaper a 16 gig sd card or a one

72:25 gig sd card well they cost the same they cost the

72:29 same now because the way that miniaturization works the way that moore's law works is that you actually

72:35 get to the point where the bomb cost of building this thing is identical whether

72:39 you build it at a lower a lower manufacturing process or a higher one

72:44 that it and and just squeeze more into it it actually doesn't really matter the bomb

72:48 cost is the same so we could get to the point

72:51 where that processor that you would have normally found in a camera that specialized thing well maybe that's

72:55 going to be a tegra 9 or a tegra 10 or something along those

72:59 lines and when you look at the kind of specialized hardware that someone like

73:04 an NVIDIA or an AMD is putting into an apu or an soc such as a tegra where it's

73:09 going to support um various codecs and hardware uh hardware

73:14 encoding and decoding and all those things we could be looking at a situation where no rather than ever

73:19 having a specialized camera device we could actually have every camera be a

73:24 full system and then you could unlock functionality like um shooting editing

73:29 within the camera which let's face it we can already do on smartphones anyway so if you could edit within your camera now

73:33 all of a sudden maybe we've got who knows maybe it's 6g

73:37 uh cellular data at that point now maybe you could be the ultimate vlogger and

73:42 you could have a live stream all the time in full hd quality and then you

73:47 could sit down and you could edit at the end of the day if you're done streaming

73:51 and and you could have this device that's so versatile and so connected and

73:55 it could be the only one you own at that point you might not need a desktop computer anymore at all because that

74:00 might be so powerful i mean that that is what this concept

74:05 means to me in the future um and it's obviously a mac mini is

74:10 ridiculous and that's not going to work because editing two and a half k footage

74:13 on a mac mini is gonna be stupid but at some point at some point

74:19 the cost of i mean i think the bomb cost on something like a tiger chip is under

74:23 25 dollars so at some point tegra whatever the heck

74:28 is going to be so powerful and not more expensive than something else it's just

74:33 going to make sense to do it and i'm really excited about that it's i find this interesting because i don't i don't

74:37 know a lot about film but one thing that's been happening a lot lately is the barrier of entry for just anyone

74:42 that wants to start making videos is constantly going down yes the ability to

74:46 do different things seems to constantly be going down yeah so being able to live

74:50 stream something from an event oh being possible random joe blow is gonna be

74:55 really ridiculous it's going to be amazing i mean it's going to be it's going to be

74:58 like the next generation of of uh

75:02 accessibility of being able to socially broadcast your thoughts to everyone it's

75:07 absolutely amazing and i i feel very strongly that it's awesome

75:10 so let's go ahead and do that twitter blitz that i promised before and then

75:13 we're going to peace out and i'll take you back to the land we'll go as fast as

75:17 we can here bro i feel very bad about this

75:23 have i seen logan yet yes i have not i ran into him twice

75:27 slick smile why wouldn't microsoft be able to run

75:31 xbox one software with Windows 7 8 that could mean you just make your own pc

75:36 um because they don't want to yeah they could they definitely could i want to

75:39 see an operon sized apu probably will happen at some point you

75:42 still in seattle you think so yeah at some point maybe

75:47 because apu's gonna that beat everything i think they will go that way

75:51 are you still in seattle uh no yes i teleported uh hey i'm new to pc

75:57 gaming my friend said i couldn't play future games on ultra high what do you think well it depends

76:02 what post on the forum post online is tech tips forum and post your rig specs

76:06 yeah what do you think of a 30 mx blue keyboard which are reasonably well built

76:10 but don't have the bells and whistles do it

76:13 sure if you don't want the belt like yeah if you only have 30 bucks it's that

76:17 versus membrane do it yeah uh someone

76:20 says b-roll is dying from work man down man down rule

76:24 b-roll is rolling two at night here in the east coast but

76:28 isn't Intel also an apu yes uh and it's terminology yeah terminology

76:34 AMD wants to call it apu until doesn't yeah i have a gtx 560 ti on PCIe 2.0

76:38 will a newer PCIe 3 work on my older motherboard yes

76:43 whoops didn't know it was a topic okay

76:46 could you explain about the shot incident in more detail maybe next week

76:50 uh we've already covered that really want to know what the big deal is about Windows 8 not having a start menu what

76:55 are they missing go uh it's it's usability you're adding so many more

76:59 steps why add so many more steps more clicks is bad my mom's vesta computer

77:03 came with classic start installment by default maybe that's something that they're doing now that i'm gone so there

77:07 you go uh what's your opinion on choosing a device to stream this is

77:10 probably the russian who came up with it what's your opinion for choosing a device to stream videos from my nas and

77:15 surf the net http or Android mini pc

77:18 um i would i go httpc but i i don't pay a lot for computer components so i i

77:24 prefer the functionality of an htpc but it's much more expensive a lot of people

77:28 can get like old

77:32 computers it's not that hard to get an old computer and you don't need a powerful

77:36 computer to be an httpc at all no so i

77:39 would look into like trying to inherit one from a relative or even just going

77:43 somewhere where they kind of throw away computers i think we talked a fair bit about AMD uh abandoning fx and sort of

77:48 the rumors circulating around that do you think that this century is having the most technological advances and

77:52 probably the biggest for a good while uh yeah

77:56 it it always yeah is there enough

77:59 benefit in going matx over mitx price wise

78:02 no um the benefit is more expansion slots

78:06 yeah thoughts on the video game high school season two if you watch them have

78:10 you watched any yet it's been good so far i've liked it i like that they

78:13 spread out before they only did one game basically only did one game and now it's

78:17 still focused on the one game but they're spreading out more which is nice

78:22 all right so without further ado and my

78:25 wireless link to this freaking thing is uh causing me causing me grief i'm

78:30 actually going to i'm going to ask you guys to bear with me while i do while i

78:34 load up our outro manual thank you manually thank you so much for watching

78:39 tonight you guys you're awesome as usual and uh we will see you again

78:45 next week and i really hope that i can find

78:48 the file that i'm looking for here because that that is a challenge

78:53 that is a challenge

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