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Livestream VOD – January 10, 2026 @ 24:47 – This Country Gave YouTube The Smack Down - WAN Show January 9, 2026

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0:00 Okay, I don't think so.

2:20 Oh my goodness, I Think you need to get your display calibrated sure that's red brother.

4:19 Oh, man I remember thinking like the comments on the show were gonna be about something else And I went to go check t...

7:08 And now you can check to see if I did it, right?

9:17 And then he was like mad afterwards I was like you can't come on Teachable moment Oh man Someone says I've been banne...

11:49 Oh Oh, it was a one click.

14:45 Hey, nice Gilmore says shout out Mitchell for upholding the trust me bro guarantee Yeah, magic screwdriver showed up ...

16:50 Happy Friday everyone and oh welcome to the wandshow.

18:32 The show is brought to you by blank Delta hub Alongside of course our wrap partner d brand our laptop partner razor A...

19:02 I'm confident Yeah, the new new and improved wend show now 50 50 owned by Linus and luke already things are going dow...

37:25 Let's talk about Windows.

47:03 All right, what do you want to do next next topic?

52:03 It's it's rough and it goes on For so Freaking long guys check this out like Dan.

55:52 Six star wars burn, that's a deep cut Not a deep cut But it cuts deep which is I guess where I got confused.

58:01 Oh, man, uh, there's there's some interesting stuff in here David threw this into the notes this comes after disney's...

73:02 Right Hey Oh shoot.

78:45 I don't know.

83:40 All right, Dan, what are we doing?

102:48 Sock oh Sock Are you a kick your socks off in bed kind of guy?

103:51 I wasn't even sure charger would count because it was so similar to cable I was going to give Linus judgment on cable...

104:28 This guy This guy massive shout out again to delta hub For sponsoring this fun little segment.

105:56 How did this comment get Uh, oh, yeah, it surprised me as well top up voted on reddit of all places.

152:01 Nobody would do that on purpose We need to like hand deliver them the right size

158:52 All right, let's move on.

162:21 All right next up g e's new smart refrigerator with kitchen assistant Combines a

166:02 All right All right, next up lip pros Ami desktop ai companion Uses an eight inc

166:49 I've got my score ready Can we like break the scale?

169:01 Moving on I want to bring up the glide.

171:12 All right next up multiple ai smart toilets samsung's These are devices that use at hem cameras Optical and acoustics...

177:50 Speaking of which there is a further correction to our correction on the amazon go-store.

179:54 Yeah, but yeah Oh, oh speaking of having each other Want to hang out in person?

182:21 Then were you live when you also said no normally I I don't correct.

184:36 Look at no key in public Stop him He was so fast.

185:28 Riley told me off for doing bad chapters I don't think I could imagine riley telling off anyone come on Does the just...

186:23 Okay, um, I think that's enough.

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0:00 Okay, I don't think so. It doesn't seem like it. You're not alive. Yeah, but he actually seems to just be extremely confused and to have hurt himself in his confusion

0:10 What's up, y'all?

0:14 Yeah, yeah, I Accidentally started a Twitter feud again. It's been a while so I was kind of I was kind of overdue

0:21 I just I don't know. I just kind of thought it was pretty obvious

0:24 Yes, people do use plex and yes, it is more convenient than going to a rental store

0:31 What are you talking about? I want to type something it's like almost certainly fine, but I'm gonna type it out. Oh just put it at the top of the dock. Oh

0:41 No, he's typing it in an iPad because why would he send it to me digitally when he can send it to me physically by me?

0:48 Putting my neck at an unnatural angle. Oh

0:51 Weird my Floatplane chest not working I assume that's the problem because I assume Floatplane chat is rowdy as usual. How you guys doing there? It is

1:00 nice What are we are we not red enough for you?

1:04 Where we're red enough for them They're like in the red

1:10 Mod mat will come when the mod mat is ready. It's like a wizard. I

1:14 I

1:20 Would ask him not me that's fair enough. I didn't think about it until now, but cool. I'm message. Yep

1:26 That's that's I don't know. It is very fair. Yep

1:30 Yeah, what I will say is you were right to wonder

1:34 Yeah, the correct course of action. You were right to think that maybe I should not just say it. Yeah

1:40 Yeah, cool. I had the thought of like, oh, yeah, that was like kind of fun. I should mention that and I was like, hmm

1:44 I don't know if they want that Kansa says Linus is not a fan of people spam tagging him. Have I ever said that?

1:55 I've never heard that I Don't think I've ever said that I'm very likely to just ignore it fake news. I am Jesus

2:04 We're red

2:08 It's not a hat Luke, it's not a hat Jesus

2:20 Oh my goodness, I

2:24 Think you need to get your display calibrated sure that's red brother. That's like really red. I mean, maybe it's me

2:34 Maybe oh, is this TV output the same stream output because it's pretty red there too. Yeah, it's a little pink on there

2:40 All my monitors are like weird colors. Kansa says you have yelled at me before

2:45 During COVID when streaming among us because I asked five or six times about difficulty. Okay, so that's the thing

2:53 This is a different problem If you tag me and you ask a question that I have seen and already decided not to answer because I

3:02 Do see stuff then Tagging me a bunch more times about it is not going to make it more likely to get a response. I mostly just it's kind of like ads

3:10 I mostly actually don't really see tags. So that's that that's the thing

3:18 And don't worry, we're good I like completely forgot don't worry we're chill Kansa. We're good

3:24 Hmm. Yeah, this is pink

3:27 See pink red

3:32 The color grading is weird way to go Dan

3:41 The story of that thing was pretty was pretty fun. So hopefully hopefully he wants me to talk what?

3:47 That's Zeme says have you banned anyone yet on reddit? No, I actually didn't even realize because I hadn't tried to do it

3:53 That I did not even have user banning privileges. I

3:57 Don't know man. It's one of those things where it's just like

4:02 That was the funniest part for me to read the stuff on reddit afterwards was realizing like

4:19 Oh, man I remember thinking like the comments on the show were gonna be about something else

4:24 And I went to go check the comments and read it and then it was just like a bunch about that

4:28 And I just got very uninterested very fast

4:32 Okay, I think dozens of people were really upset about it

4:36 There's like some topic that I thought there'd be some comments about that. I was interested

4:40 I don't remember what it was now, but yeah, nope

4:43 Some reddit mod stuff Okay, I don't know. It's one of those things like I'm in communication

4:51 With our former community manager who now has another job here

4:54 But is still doing some community management and the reddit moderation team and everything's gonna be fine

5:00 And everyone can can really take a deep breath and relax. That's all cool. It's just yeah

5:08 Yeah, I don't know man, you know how long I've been a super admin on the LTT forum

5:13 You know how many people I've banned dude and the and you know and the people we haven't been

5:20 Maybe more telling me Yeah, to be honest. I I I don't know I have to imagine it's it's probably worse

5:28 But I don't I don't know what the reddit moderation team has to go through but it's probably rough and I commend them for managing it

5:33 Yeah, I ever sent I've seen more way back in the day, but I try to

5:40 Keep some amount of an eye on the forum And the forum moderation team is awesome. Yeah, a lot of them have been doing it forever

5:46 Like I don't I'm not trying to diminish that at all. Nope the thing that I'm trying to diminish is like

5:53 The potential Like the weight that some people seem to bear on the like oh my god

6:02 I've been banned From life is over from a subreddit. Oh, no

6:09 It's like dude. You're probably fine

6:12 move on

6:15 Whether you're right or wrong if you're in the wrong teachable moment move on you're good if you were right

6:21 Not a teachable movement moment move on you're good

6:25 You'll be fine. I don't know. I think you'll be okay. I think that

6:29 You know, uh I do think for some people it is not that simple though

6:34 like Literally what what reddit or the forum or social media like it or not

6:41 What it is for a lot of people is their community And I don't I'm not saying you have to like that

6:48 But you do kind of have to Oh, yeah, sorry, you do kind of have to like yeah, it's red get it

6:55 What what is the problem right now? What are people confused?

6:59 No, I don't want to give it back to you. I like it. It's cute. No, no, no, no take it. I take it. I don't want it

7:08 And now you can check to see if I did it, right?

7:14 Yeah, I see yes was a lot of ai this year, man I

7:19 Guess I guess I can't really relate. I've never been banned from a community. I don't know

7:26 Right. Have you tried not being a douchebag in a community? So that probably worked pretty great

7:33 That was good

7:37 I don't know

7:40 Yeah, it doesn't seem that complicated to me. I don't I have I ever been I've probably been banned from somewhere for something

7:47 I don't think I have Surely I must have I've been temporary banned from games

7:53 Just for like being too good

7:56 I usually assume that's where he's going with something like this. I think I have no, okay

8:00 So my my dad got yeah, I got like banned from like, you know

8:05 the Mexican beach erection challenge because I was just too hard like

8:11 You know, it's usually how his stories go

8:16 Oh my god, I remember my my dad's wow account got permabanned because

8:22 Way back in like high school I figured out that you could speed hack in like almost every game

8:28 by Not almost every game but a lot of games at the time by messing around with your system clock

8:33 Nice. So if you if you made your system clock go twice as fast

8:38 Your movement speed and a lot of games counter strike. Wow tons of different games were based on your local system clock

8:44 Yeah, so In wow, I would just go to places where there would be like

8:49 Basically, no one like I get like water walking and run on the ocean and just

8:54 And just do that instead of like flying around because it was way faster

8:58 Right, but then my dad was like lol. I'm going to do this in a capture the flag match

9:02 Uh and grab the flag and just ran around and no one could catch him

9:08 Super cop

9:17 And then he was like mad afterwards I was like you can't come on

9:23 Teachable moment Oh man

9:31 Someone says I've been banned from r slash pyeongyang. Oh, that's like a whole meme. Oh, is it? Okay. Yeah. All right. Well, it shows you what I know

9:40 Oh, I did Is it banned? I don't know if I'm banned from getting a comp ts certificate

9:46 But I did get my certificate revoked

9:50 Um I do says I've only been banned from subreddits. I never posted in that's a thing

9:58 Yeah, where you'll just get banned in other ones for having yeah for even being part. That's the pyeongyang one. Oh, is it?

10:04 Yeah, what do you get banned for doing?

10:07 Uh, I think it's posting like almost anywhere. Isn't it?

10:12 Yeah, I think it's basically like if you're not in the if you're not in this subreddit

10:17 you're Not ever allowed in this subreddit. I guess

10:21 I don't know. Hmm. I'm not sure interesting. I'm sure someone can explain it

10:27 I got banned from my city subreddit because I said exploiting people for money is bad

10:33 So one said that's how capitalism works. I said you're not supposed to think about that

10:39 Okay Okay, should we do this?

10:46 Uh All right

10:51 It's great Uh, oh, I guess I should move this

10:57 there Yeah

11:00 Uh, do I have the right right right? I need to bring up the thing

11:07 Super weird issue on this laptop where if I middle click

11:11 Like my clicks don't register a bit for a bit in certain places particularly like in like browser tabs and stuff

11:18 It's really weird. I want to like reformat it. I think it's got to be just like, uh

11:22 Like just a bizarre corruption somewhere or something

11:37 Uh I have to log in. Sorry, it'll be half an hour

11:49 Oh

11:53 Oh, it was a one click. Oh, dude, I get like

11:58 I get like a I get like a dopamine hit

12:01 When I go to to sign into our password manager and it just like doesn't prompt me to do the whole rigmarole

12:08 That's like nine steps Oh, so good

12:12 I think we are going to be moot. Mm-hmm Don't you promise me anything that you can't actually give me say no things please

12:22 No, it's mostly I just don't want to like announce it

12:25 Um, no, I don't believe in securities through obscurity, but also don't think I need to tell you everything that's happening all the time

12:35 So Yeah, there's probably something happening that you will probably be happy about and that's about all I'll say for now

12:41 We take kind of uh, it's kind of a non. Yeah approach

12:44 To this Yep

12:51 But it's us luke, it's okay. No bad

12:58 Band Kidding kidding kidding kidding

13:03 I think we've banned very few people from Floatplane chat. Nice. Nice. Steve took the bait non your business

13:09 Yeah

13:14 Got him now a cloud player service

13:20 We can be your third factor you have to ask Floatplane chat for permission to log into things

13:25 They're like watching the stream like Yeah, it doesn't look like a deep fake. I think we're good to go. Yeah

13:31 That would actually be oh It's an interesting service

13:36 Like like mechanical turk like people just like

13:40 Looking through the webcam and you hold up id like what are you even talking about? Yeah, man

13:46 Yeah, okay really high-level executive accounts celebrity 2fa you like can't log in if you're yeah

13:51 If you're like super fans can recognize you then you're you're good to withdraw that money from your bank account

13:58 I'm more talking about like corporate bigwig CEOs like multi billion dollar corporation CEOs

14:03 Where like they actually can't log into things unless people are like, yeah, sure

14:09 I feel personally targeted right now it'd be great

14:20 You had that one coming. Yeah, that's fair. I shouldn't have leaned though. That's just mean

14:28 Yeah, especially because I have to like almost constantly sniff

14:45 Hey, nice Gilmore says shout out Mitchell for upholding the trust me bro guarantee

14:50 Yeah, magic screwdriver showed up defective. He got another one on its way to me. You better believe it

14:54 But now he's gonna take care of you And if you haven't seen his AMD ultimate tech upgrade that won't make any sense. It did make sense to me

15:03 nice Um, okay. All right. I'm gonna do the thing

15:08 I don't have to think you'll have to tell me when to start talking. Is the steam machine price leak in the dock

15:13 Oh, no, but yeah, I would throw that in there. Okay. Yeah, we can talk about that

15:19 Guess what I'm shoot. Okay. No, I'll save it. I'll save it. Yeah

15:22 I mean the selected talking to me is illegal

15:27 No, I think it's more that you listening is illegal

15:30 I think you've been on your phone more the last couple shows than like I haven't wanted to be genuinely

15:38 There have been multiple topics that I'm like, okay I'm stalling for as long as I can here before I can

15:43 Do a quick summary because I know Luke's not listening

15:47 And then ask him a question people have really decided that it's extremely important to talk to me during the show

15:52 Or that like oh this thing that I've been trying to tell you for a while

15:55 I have to tell you right now. You need to know it right now. It's really important and then I check it and it's like

16:01 Do you like waffles? I'm like, oh my I'm gonna die. Yeah, we like waffles. Do you like pancakes?

16:06 Yeah, we like pancakes. Do you like french toast? Yeah, we like french toast. Doot. Doot. Doot. Doot. Can't wait to get a muffle

16:14 But yeah, it's been driving me actually insane, but anyways, hopefully this will be a no phone show that would be great

16:21 All right Okay, I'm doing it. I'm doing it. I'm getting texted. Very cool. I'm freezing. All right. Oh, that might actually I did the thing

16:30 It's too late. God damn it

16:50 Happy Friday everyone and oh welcome to the wandshow. We've got a great show lined up for you guys this week

17:07 Samsung is under fire for watching what you're watching roughly

17:13 Twice every second and sharing that information with their partners. Yeah

17:20 Yeah, not great. Um, our headline topic is of course though that youtube has met its match

17:28 government regulation, that's right Vietnam has laid the smackdown on youtube banning unskippable ads or at least

17:38 limiting how long unskippable ads can run on platforms like youtube

17:43 I'm sure that is welcome news to the people in vietnam. What else we got this week

17:47 The fastest version of Windows is probably

17:51 Not what you'd expect and also Disney undercuts decades of incredible filmmaking technology with one of the weirdest worst videos

17:59 I've maybe ever seen why did you pick that that actually caused me a certain amount of existential dread

18:05 Because the person presenting it for some reason seemed to think that it was cool

18:11 Which hurt my soul

18:18 Oh

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18:51 I remember now. Oh my god. I made it white for the reboot last week. What a professional professional show

19:02 I'm confident

19:08 Yeah, the new new and improved wend show now 50 50 owned by Linus and luke already things are going down

19:15 How do you explain this? This is this is my fault for sure

19:18 Someone tried to pin like an increased amount of ads on me or something

19:25 Try Colton. Yeah Ah, man, let's jump right into our headline topic today, which is of course

19:34 Vietnam's new rules limiting how long unskippable ads can run on platforms like youtube

19:41 Uh, basically they uh, they said they suck and the rules are going to be targeting not only unskippable video ads

19:49 But also targeting static ads and even putting bands on delays

19:55 Before closing them these new rules are aimed at helping the user experience

20:01 claiming that these invasive ads are harming the viewing experience, which is um

20:07 I mean interesting probably not not

20:12 Not untrue. I think there's I mean, yeah, I don't think you could find anyone on the face of the earth and

20:19 Oh man, I'm bracing myself now I'm sure someone is going to come crawling out of the woodwork from somewhere to say

20:27 Um, actually I love to be informed of quality products and services that could enhance my life

20:33 But I don't think almost literally anyone would say yes

20:38 The ads on a platform enhance the user's enhance my user experience. Yeah, no

20:45 I think the bigger question here though is

20:48 What does this mean in terms of platform sustainability? I don't think it's any great secret that youtube relies

20:57 In a significant way on ads to make their platform profitable

21:02 Um, does it seem like a business decision?

21:06 How much and where to run ads? Um, and to find that balance between what users will put up with and what is

21:17 Sustainable in terms of profitably operating the platform um

21:22 Would you be like let's let's turn it around and let's make it about our own stuff

21:26 Would you be willing to operate Floatplane in vietnam if for whatever reason they said hey your means of

21:34 Monetizing your platform We're over it. It's not good for users to have to pay for Floatplane. It just needs to be free to be fair. Yeah

21:43 That's not quite what they're saying. No, no, they're not saying that they're saying you can run ads

21:47 But I can tell you right now So what what do you think so like I can tell you that the kind of ads that they're going to allow are like not

21:54 profitable in modern internet When you account for the video streaming bandwidth like it's and storage. It's just not like not a thing

22:02 You think so this to me feels like they're going back to like five second ad skips

22:05 Which youtube had for a long time when they were profitable They did but I mean

22:10 We did I don't know if you remember we did that video on it was it was a very controversial topic of conversation

22:16 Which I don't seem to be able to resist why 4k should be a premium feature on youtube storage has not continued

22:24 To grow exponentially in capacity

22:27 Any or sorry this one. It has not continued to grow exponentially in capacity anymore. It leveled off

22:34 Ages ago in terms of cost per gig and the recent ai boom is not freaking helping with that

22:40 I forget I forget who mentioned this to me recently, but they were telling me that like

22:45 like major Major players like hyperscaler players are struggling to get enough hard drives right now

22:53 Yeah, there's like envoys from people like microsoft going to

22:58 Various countries trying to get hard drives and RAM and stuff in person trying to like show up at factories and be like, hey

23:05 We need stuff So it's it's a pretty it's a very interesting thing going on right now that isn't being it's being talked about but not like

23:13 As much as I would necessarily expect considering the

23:17 Scale of what's currently happening if that makes sense

23:20 I think monday's that Mondesio

23:24 On Floatplane has a really interesting take You know what if all ads on every platform had to be short then advertisers would have to compete for

23:34 Having a really compelling ad in a very short period of time and theoretically that would impact the

23:40 You know the pricing of ads across the board and it wouldn't really harm the platforms as much and that is

23:47 such A cool point that would require so much

23:52 Coordination and international cooperation that unfortunately it's just not going to happen. I don't think so. I like it though a great example of that

23:59 It actually happened recently around taxation for the ultra wealthy and I think particularly for corporations. I think it was

24:06 Um, I believe they were they were targeting a 15 percent minimum corporate tax rate

24:13 globally and there was there was like a ton of countries signed onto it

24:17 And then recently I think this was in the last week or two the us basically went. No

24:23 Um, and the idea behind it was that it would make it much harder for major corporations to just

24:29 Dodge taxes by making their headquarters

24:33 Somewhere that they could pretty much avoid ever actually making a profit and where they could they could they could shield their profitability

24:40 But it required everyone to agree

24:44 on having these rules and expecting

24:47 every jurisdiction all around the world to cooperate on something as

24:53 Don't take this the wrong way, but frankly unimportant as

24:57 ads in front of a web video when they couldn't even agree on

25:02 Hey, probably major corporations should be taxed

25:06 Um, you know for the good of there are there are less

25:10 billion and trillionaires involved in

25:13 This one so you know it has that going for it, but yeah, I agree with you

25:18 Maker boy says I saw a ticker ad across the bottom of a video today

25:22 The creator said they were trying something new the ad did not interrupt the video at all

25:28 I can tell you something though Part of the reason that you noticed it was because it was new over time

25:34 You will learn to tune out the ticker ad which is why the advertising industry is always looking for

25:41 Novel ideas. That's why it's always changing and

25:45 I hate to use the word evolving because it has like a positive connotation when I say that bulbasaur evolved

25:53 You expect to get vine whip, you know or razor whatever whatever the point is

25:58 You expect bulbasaur to be better Whereas I feel like when ads evolve

26:04 They get more intrusive. Yeah, which is a kind of better gain audio. Well, I guess that's more intrusive. Yeah

26:10 Say something what?

26:15 Like so they are they are better in terms of

26:19 being Super effective at penetrating your ability to pay attention to what you actually want to be doing

26:26 I'm trying to find an example, but I'm pretty sure uh garbage time. Mr. Mr. Dang pods did this recently

26:32 um with with some stuff on his channel to promote like flow plane and whatnot he did like kind of

26:39 Banner things whatever those are actually called. I don't remember

26:44 But cool. It's interesting. Thank you. Luke interesting move

26:49 Um I mean and all of this

26:53 Ignore the fact that youtube is able to function basically as a monopoly at this point

26:59 Right like in theory in theory. I'm pretty pro free market

27:04 Right like you live or die by your ability to compete

27:09 Fairly, but that last part right the f word there. That's that's sort of the critical part

27:14 And youtube is at the point now where whether it's through their technological moat

27:20 Or whether it's through their regulatory moat or whether it's through their

27:25 Uh, their business relationships moat

27:29 What would fair competition with youtube even look like so so you could say well if users don't like how many ads

27:35 There are on youtube then they should just take their business somewhere else, but like to what what can compete with youtube microsoft has tried

27:43 um There's like msn video

27:47 Um, which like what's that like weird one that we uploaded to for daily motion daily motion has tried vimeo tried

27:53 Vimeo has completely given up on being an alternative to youtube at this point as far as I can tell for years now

27:58 Does daily motion still exist? This is an interesting question

28:03 Daily motion has your channel on

28:07 Daily motion totally still exists. Okay, so every piece has vine. Okay

28:13 all right Okay, yeah rumble sure

28:18 Wow daily motion has shorts

28:21 And it's the first thing you see when you get to the site. Wow, it's all

28:27 Watch mojo's on there. Where's where's look up line of tech tips? Hold on. Hold on. I just want to I want to see

28:33 Do they do they have view counts? Do they have view counts? Hold on if you click on one, maybe. Yeah, let's check. Let's check

28:40 No, okay. Okay player interface is a little different. So it's only up here

28:44 I can't I can interface with it down here. Is there are there do they have comments?

28:49 Are there are are there comments on daily motion?

28:53 Here draper stunned by whatever 10 months ago. Let's see

28:58 Uh Apparently not

29:02 Either that or there's content here that is getting literally zero views. Yeah

29:08 I don't understand how these guys are still around

29:11 There's a connect button on the top right. I think yeah, that's just to log in

29:18 Let's see. Okay. Sorry. You want me to click on mojo? No line is tech tips. Oh, right, right, right, right

29:23 Yeah, we used to have a channel dude. You've got some followers

29:28 Whoa buddy 357. Yeah, so we could be the 358th

29:36 It looks like the last time we uploaded to this was wanshow. Oh my god, august 4th 2017

29:42 It's baby luke It's baby luke. Look at the baby luke. He's so cute

29:49 Dude, I liked that that logo with the planes. I thought that was cool. Super cool

29:54 Is it baby luke? Where was this? That's a thick laptop

29:59 Oh Dude arc. Is that's a arkham asylum? Yeah. No. No, hold on. This might be arkham city

30:06 I don't I don't know the difference between the games at all to be honest. Yeah, I think this has got to be arkham city

30:10 I only ever launched them for benchmarking. Nice. You didn't really? Yep. Oh dude arkham asylum is so good

30:17 I heard they were good games. Yeah, I just never came around like oh, it's apparently arkham origins. Okay. Sorry. Sorry guys

30:23 Which that's the third one. I think right. I did not get into that one

30:27 Dude, look at you looking like a rapper on stage. What's this unboxing the rx vega? Look at you. Yeah, buddy

30:35 Yeah, buddy. That was at the first ltx

30:39 So anyway, the point is we uploaded to daily motion for years and managed to amass a total of

30:48 350 followers, so Um, is that sustainable? How do they have this many uploads and storage and?

30:56 Um everything who owns daily motion. What is it? I'm finding out. I'm finding out

31:02 French online video sharing platform owned by canal plus

31:06 Prior to 2024 it was owned by vivendi

31:10 Like that vivendi

31:14 What do you mean that vivendi isn't it wasn't vivendi uh gaming of some sort back in the day?

31:20 Oh, no wait. Hold on. I must be thinking of a completely different thing. I think so

31:23 No vivendi games was an american video game publisher and holding company based in los angeles. That was a completely different thing

31:30 Oh, okay. All right. Cool. So yeah, no, this is

31:34 Vivendi

31:37 Okay, this is a french investment company headquartered in pali

31:42 So, uh, yeah, no, how have they not cut off daily motion?

31:47 Dude, I don't know I have no oh they have so they divested of it recently and now it is owned by canal group. But why would

31:58 Why would canal want it? I don't I I have never understood at any point in time

32:03 What daily motion is supposed to even be the warden zero zero says it's gotta be money laundering

32:09 Okay, but that's the thing guys. I keep I keep like hearing that people will say

32:15 Anytime there's something that people can't explain. I feel like they just go straight to

32:21 It's got to be a write-off or it's going to be money laundering in bc. It might be true, but I don't I don't know

32:29 And in many cases Here in bc in many cases. I can definitely see how that might be the case

32:39 But what would be the money laundering purpose of this? Why would they update it with like shorts?

32:44 Because I thought the whole and and correct me if I'm wrong. I've never engaged in criminal enterprise before

32:50 But my understanding of money laundering is the idea is that you have a functioning business

32:56 Into which you can mix both

33:00 Like like genuine proceeds of the business functioning as it does and ill-gotten gains

33:07 And mix them together in a way that they are hard to differentiate from each other

33:12 So like in Breaking Bad Walter White buys the car wash

33:16 So that he has real revenues that could easily be cash revenues that he can put his ill-gotten cash in with

33:25 and And and mask the source of it

33:29 But if you have something that as far as I can tell could not

33:34 Possibly do anything other than lose copious amounts of money

33:38 And would operate entirely digitally with no cash

33:44 What would be the what would be the money laundering purpose of it? I

33:48 And and it might be I don't know. I'm not a crook

33:55 But I just I don't understand that so maybe Floatplane chat could be happy to um, you know help me out here

34:02 But like they have they have features conrad back to my thing

34:07 Conrad and Floatplane chat new one LTT Store cash payments cash cash cash for your bones

34:16 Too many bones not enough cash try cash bones. Sorry. It's a future on my reference

34:22 You can tell they're trying they have like the infinity ads in the sidebar here and when you scroll

34:27 Oh god, they refresh god So they have they have like a full block of ads in the sidebar that refresh as you scroll one user is getting you like

34:37 A 20 friggin ad impressions. Oh god, they refresh even when you don't scroll. Oh, yeah

34:42 Whoa, yeah, so the ads are crazy. Also. Look at this. They have three of the same ad running right now

34:47 No, dude, I watched so not allowed. I watched a video that had three pre-roll ads

34:51 They were all the same ad that is so not allowed that is so gaming it

34:56 And then they they like have features like they have video transcripts

35:01 You can turn this on and it it looks like they have some form of like

35:05 Thing trying to generate a video transcript So that somebody had to make that

35:10 Uh, you go back they have shorts now. They like

35:14 Support the new format. They have an app that they're clearly keeping up to date to a certain degree

35:19 Like someone's doing stuff. There are developers working on this and like keeping it

35:24 Alive Dan vibes says I'm float playing chat daily motion still has over 400 employees according to wikipedia. Wow

35:34 And lucky drive 1984 says I think many websites use daily motions video player. So this is a b2b play maybe

35:42 But then why let random users upload to it or maybe they don't

35:47 I legitimately don't know legitimately have no idea

35:52 And there's honestly not a ton of

35:55 Information on their like wikipedia page doesn't even say like how it works or anything like that

36:01 I think your wikipedia page is probably longer than this. I don't mind doesn't exist. No, it does

36:06 It just is not easy to find. Hold on. We're gonna fix it though. We're gonna fix it though

36:12 Uh, hold on. It's it's in draft form. Yeah. Yeah, well, I mean that's kind of existence

36:19 Here here it is

36:22 Apparently they updated it to include the wanshow stuff. Okay. No, it's not longer than that's not longer than daily motion

36:28 We got to get it longer. We got to pump those numbers up Those are rookie numbers

36:37 I gotta do something I gotta do something stupid

36:41 Oh, yeah, that would be the way. Yep. I think that would actually do it

36:44 Like if you had like a borderline Darwin award like a major controversy you could I don't know you could like

36:50 It's the whole like you could get like a benchmark wrong on something rise to power

36:55 Being in power fall execution. You need an arc. Yeah, okay. Yeah

37:03 Uh crystal says daily motion does let the public upload

37:07 There you go. Okay. Well, good luck with that everyone. Uh, why don't we move on to our next topic? You want to pick it? Um, sure

37:14 No, I didn't tell him what he was picking could be my nose could be my butt

37:22 Um, I guess it's oh my god

37:25 Let's talk about Windows. In order though Dan It takes a screenshot Windows the fastest version of Windows probably isn't what you expect. Okay. Hold on. Hold on

37:33 Let's let the people post. Let's let the people post in the chat

37:38 Yeah, what do you think is the fastest Windows? Well, the first person's definitely wrong xp. Uh, no

37:44 I don't xp is a funny one expect xp is a funny one because people have so

37:50 Much nostalgia goggles for Windows xp Windows xp was a piece of shit until like service pack two

37:57 sp2 was Goated sp2 was Windows xp in the early days kind of sucked. I think we were just coming from millennium edition

38:06 Which was like way worse. This is what I was saying. I think it was good for the time

38:10 Dude, I had a lot of problems, but I think it was good for the time and I think computing back then was very fun

38:16 That's fair and you could have fun with Windows xp Windows xp was fun

38:20 So it didn't really matter that it had problems. It was fun. It is amazing. How much of chat is totally wrong

38:27 I don't know if I've seen pretty much it. Oh, okay. There's a couple people in there who said it very definitively

38:33 Which makes me think they just read the article. There's there's there's some in there. There's some in there. Okay

38:38 All right hackaday reports on a benchmark battle featuring every version of Windows since 2001

38:43 Which means xp vista seven eight point one

38:48 10 and 11 Apparently not eight. I see those as different, but that's okay

38:52 Um before we get into the results, which version do you think we'll win?

38:55 I top of head guessed seven when I first looked at the this whole thing happening

39:01 I knew the answer but only because we've benchmarked Windows editions before

39:06 and because Because of the whole okay, this is a bit of a spoiler but because of the whole Windows nine thing

39:14 Do you remember Windows nine? Yeah, so there's a reason. Yeah that modded

39:20 A tuned up version of that the best Windows

39:23 Was the best Windows for like quite an extended period of time now. Did they get into modding? No

39:30 Okay, no, so that's why I guess that's why I knew yeah because even not modded

39:35 So a lot of the mods for Windows nine were less about performance actually and more just about cleaning up memory usage

39:42 And improving stability and making the user interface

39:46 Windows nine was so goaded that guy reached out and said he's working on one for

39:50 11 I'm actually stoked. Yeah. Okay. Anyway carry on uh youtuber

39:57 Triggs triggers old triggers old Nice, uh loaded half a dozen thinkpad x2 20s

40:05 So an i5 25 20 m 8 gigs of RAM 25 6 200 sorry 256 gig SSD and Intel hd

40:13 3000 with the professional versions of the last six iterations of Windows got everything totally up to date

40:18 Which is kind of impressive in its own regard

40:22 In a few ways and conducted a bunch of experiments to learn how Windows performance has changed over the last two and a half decades

40:28 Which is a brilliant idea. Yeah super cool idea fantastic work. Maybe uh, go check it out instead of just listening to this

40:37 They did boot to desktop times disk usage times and uh

40:41 Five gigabytes RAM test how many chromium tabs can be open before we hit five gigs RAM. That's interesting for boot to desktop

40:47 Fastest to slowest 8.1 Um is the oldest version with fast boot

40:53 So it has fast boot, but it's the lightest os that makes sense little combination of the ones with fast

40:59 It's like wicked fast xp and 10 tide, which is hilarious

41:04 Just have to say uh seven vista and 11 all had uh

41:10 Taskbar issues or is that just 11 had tasks 11? Yeah So seven of vista were kind of slow and then 11 the taskbar took forever to load which sounds about on brand in fairness to 11

41:20 This is not supported hardware on Windows 11, but then that's like

41:25 I don't know kind of people's problem with Windows 11. Oh a big part of it. So

41:29 Yeah, take the l Windows 11 Windows 7 was the the the worst at disk use. Is that just how big the operating system is?

41:36 Yeah, that's not too surprising And then the five gigs RAM test for sort of for how many tabs you can have open the best was Windows 8.1 and 7

41:44 at 252 And 235 tabs doesn't that?

41:49 Okay, so Windows 8.1 one Well, it's a huge gap between the other ones. I guess. Yeah, the worst was Windows xp that makes sense

41:57 Um, oh wait really Windows xp and 11. Yeah

42:01 50 tabs for xp and 49 for 11 really

42:06 I mean, she's a hungry boy luke. She's got to get the telemetry data somehow

42:12 Best overall was 8.1 Windows 11 is generally the slowest actually what I suspect is that with xp it's it's it's just

42:21 Inefficiently managing it. Yeah, and then with 11. It's just a heavier os overall

42:27 So you just have less RAM left To put chrome tabs in would be my would be my guess

42:33 Whereas like something like Windows 8 like Dude Windows. Okay, and to be clear

42:38 That was why luke and I both raised an eyebrow when we were reading through every version of Windows

42:43 Because Windows 8 was a giant steaming

42:47 Dumpster fire. We would all love to forget that Windows 8 ever existed. Yeah, but but I think I think

42:53 Whitewashing the history of Windows 8.x and just referring to it as yes only Windows 8.1

43:00 That was the only one that existed Is um not giving enough credit to how long microsoft stubbornly

43:09 Stuck us with that horrible metro ui

43:13 That was not immediately Obviously removable on the early versions of Windows 8 like it was it was a long time

43:22 They didn't just launch this thing in early access and go. No. Oh, wow. This sucks. Okay. Well, we have a launch date to hit

43:29 But we're gonna get that fixed like like right quick fast for you guys

43:33 It was bad for a really long time and then 8.1 came and just

43:39 Fixed it october 2012 was Windows 8's release date

43:44 looks like It was released to manufacturing on august 1st 2012

43:52 And then 8.1 I just lost one of my ears

43:59 I don't know if it uh, oh did I sorry i'll fix it maybe and then 8.1 was octo. Yeah, so it took a year

44:06 And that was a dark year that was a long

44:09 Working at a computer retailer. Yeah, that was a long year eight was the only operating system that I ever

44:18 Didn't the only modern. Okay. Hmm. How do I define this?

44:22 Eight is the only operating system since 2000 where I had a personal computer and never installed it

44:27 I had 8.1, but I think I only ever really dove into 8.1 with Windows 9

44:33 Interesting. I think I held on to 7 and then went Windows 9

44:38 Which is 8.1 solidly for sure. I'm accepting that but it was a modded version of 8.1

44:44 And I think that to me means I kind of skipped one because I see 8.1 and 8 so differently

44:50 I'm trying to remember if I went 8 or 8.1 on my desktop because I don't think I figured out how good

44:57 8.1 was until Windows 10 was already out

45:01 And like 8.1 had turned into like the sexy remember when Windows was way lighter and when search worked

45:09 Yeah Because I think 8.1 was the last one where the search didn't suck

45:15 Yes, I'm pretty sure that's true. Yeah, so I actually picked up on 8.1 for like running VMs and stuff

45:23 And I don't I don't know if I ever desktoped it

45:26 I I don't actually I don't I don't I don't remember but I I definitely don't like fondly remember using it

45:31 Like I did with vista for instance, which I know is a controversial take

45:34 But I genuinely liked Windows 9 deal with it. I loved vista, but I think part of the reason why I liked Windows 9 was because it was such a like

45:42 fu Oh, yeah Nice to be honest

45:46 I was reminiscing over the weekend with a buddy of mine about uh Windows vista black edition

45:52 Um, which was another yeah, yeah, uh, which was another like Windows 9 style like

45:58 community mod And black edition was awesome actually

46:03 I used to have my Windows xp

46:06 Um boot logo modded to i'm trying to find the exact

46:12 One I think it was this one without the without the shine

46:16 I I had it set up to load Windows xp pirated edition

46:20 For the like the loading bar. Yeah, um, apparently that's been popular

46:26 across many Okay, I specifically searched for xp, but there are also some ones in here that are not xp

46:34 Like this one apparently was vista. Is that an upside down nice?

46:39 Spicy All right Man, uh, I'll I'll make it work. I can either have

46:46 My left ear or my right ear active

46:50 It seems to be the cable day. Anyway, go check out

46:54 No, no, I leaned over. I probably bumped something down. I'm sorry. It's okay. It's fine. We'll deal with it. Um

47:03 All right, what do you want to do next next topic? Yeah, uh, should we do the disney one?

47:07 Are we showing it? Are we gonna get the video demonetized? Let's just show it. I don't care. All right disney undercuts

47:13 This is like This one actually hurt. I don't know. Uh, disney undercuts decades of incredible filmmaking technology with ai animals

47:23 vfx extraordinaire rob bradow known for his work on star wars through industrial light and magic

47:29 Which is owned by disney gave a mostly interesting

47:33 Is the nose 15 minute ted talk about how technology has enabled artists to more

47:39 If uh to more effectively tell their stories or something something their stories

47:44 However, it was punctuated by a one and a half minute ai generated alien creature montage designed to get the audience

47:51 excited about the future of ai tools for filmmakers

47:55 And to be clear, this is if this is one that i'm thinking of it is specifically

48:00 Set up as an artist's vision of what star wars worlds might look like

48:06 If a i think it was like a scout drone

48:09 Is visiting. Yeah, we'll see. Oh, yeah. Yeah, there we go. Yeah, it is this one. Oh, hi.

48:18 And yeah, this cry. Yeah, you know watch for yourself

48:21 Okay, before we do this. No forget the audio. It doesn't matter before we do this

48:28 I didn't think this was real I was in the car with I think it was uh adam and

48:36 Who else was chilling with us was glenn our camera op? I think I think glenn was there and um

48:42 I think we had someone from the business team there. It doesn't matter. The point is

48:46 Everyone was like talking about it Which made me feel like like like it's real

48:53 And adam insisted that it was that it was like cringe and like you won't believe what disney did and so I was like

49:00 So I was so I was prepared What I assumed he was talking about

49:06 Because he's like, yeah, you won't believe this disney ai thing and everyone was like, yeah, yeah, yeah

49:10 And I was like, it's weird that we're all talking about this right now

49:13 It sounds like real, but I don't understand why we're so upset because disney announced their partnership with open ai recently and so

49:20 So people could you know, saura disney characters like like did someone fanfic

49:26 Something disney and you're like just depressed for the future of storytelling because it was like the worst fanfic thing ever

49:32 Like I got I got kind of confused because I hadn't heard anything about it

49:37 In this lead-up conversation and adam's like no, no, no, no, no

49:40 This is something else entirely different and he showed it to me

49:44 And it took me probably

49:48 Three or four slides

49:52 To go wait This is official

49:57 Like this is not like cringe fan bullshit

50:03 Like this came from disney

50:06 So with that preparation in mind, this is an actual disney employee

50:13 talking about the future of

50:17 human imagination Of a brand new star wars planet and the creatures that might accompany it or inhabit it, excuse me

50:29 Oh My god, yeah

50:34 So What is this

50:38 It's like a sloth with what looks like

50:42 Really poorly done water droplets on it or something metal or something metal metal sloth. Sure

50:49 A lot of this is like, you know, uh, I don't know 2006 facebook two animals hybrided together

50:56 This is uh, it's a video a zebra gorilla

51:00 A fish lizard fish lizard. It's a snail

51:03 This is this is the first one adam showed me. Yeah

51:08 It's a snail bird

51:12 We did a snail cock I mean

51:17 Really disney. Yeah. Yeah, it's just yeah, that is what it is

51:23 Very creative let's go on Oh, wow. Oh, wow. This time we hybrided a zebra with a polar bear

51:31 Yeah, and put it in an environment that it will not survive in very good. Can you imagine

51:36 firing up a new star wars film and seeing, you know, one of these attacking the reanimated corpse of

51:43 Palpatine for some reason Another time. Yeah

51:48 A flamingo iguana Let's blow up another really big space structure with palpatine on it. This is just a blue fawn

52:03 It's it's rough and it goes on

52:06 For so Freaking long guys check this out like Dan. Can you get rid of me for a sec? Thanks

52:17 Guys It's like it goes on for way longer than ha ha a funny joke. We were just kidding you guys look at the

52:28 Look at this It keeps going

52:33 Like It goes on for a very long time

52:38 And like if this was like some dude in the office and they're like hey look and they just showed it to their buddy

52:44 And they're like, yeah, I threw this together in a few minutes or whatever I'll just mess it around like that's fine. I guess

52:50 But like you're showing this off at a ted talk like

52:56 You're a major multi-billion dollar International I almost don't care if this isn't like a high school student project. It's rough

53:04 like What the okay the dumbest part

53:08 Or not the no, this is actually far from the dumbest part, but

53:13 I don't know this felt especially ridiculous to me was

53:17 One day for two days or something before I found out about this before I had this conversation

53:23 I I literally Did this

53:28 And my whole point my whole point in our AMD coverage at ces this year

53:35 was That am at AMD representative talked about how your ai could give you

53:42 powerful financial advice And I was like

53:46 lol um No, didn't they also say something about like

53:52 Uh, I don't know changed the world through infinite energy or some like crazy claim. I thought they made some like

53:58 Mind-blowing. I didn't hear that part But my point was this look. I don't think anyone's going to be upset about having a decent npu on your product

54:08 Right so that you can and I literally used this as my example

54:14 Of like just dumb bull that that people might want to do with their stupid crappy

54:20 Like npu on their laptop. This was literally

54:24 One of the two just stupid ridiculous. Who cares? It's just for lol's

54:30 Things that I could come up with I came up with like a human made that in in 2008 or whatever. It was funny

54:39 Zebra fish, ha ha ha ha. I used the photoshop blending tools to look dad zebra fish. Yeah

54:47 How is this a credible?

54:51 Conversation even From a major industry player like disney. Yeah, it's crazy and and ilm was like god tier

55:00 For still is uh, yeah, this makes me concerned. But yeah, well, yeah, right? Yeah

55:06 I'm sure they still have the talent somewhere. It just wasn't on stage

55:10 Well, I don't know maybe that guy's good, but like it wasn't shown on the big screen on stage

55:15 Is this during that section of the thing? I didn't watch the whole thing. Whatever is this 4d chess?

55:20 Are they trying to generate backlash?

55:23 In order to rebel against top level executives who are demanding more ai

55:28 Please tell me that's it. Just tell me that's it. You know what I don't look their own entire career doing that

55:35 That is a move that happens, but it's not that common

55:40 Is that tell me that's it luke give me hope give me a new hope you might say for a third time

55:52 Six star wars burn, that's a deep cut

55:55 Not a deep cut

55:58 But it cuts deep which is I guess where I got confused. Yeah

56:03 Uh I don't believe it, but I hope so

56:08 That's not enough. Yeah, tell me that's it. Tell me it's 4d chess. Please luke

56:14 Because otherwise it might result in the same thing if it's not 4d chess then I think

56:20 I'm just gonna give up and I'm gonna apply to work at disney

56:24 Because apparently my ideas are just as good as theirs if that kind of stage you'd be fine

56:29 You'd be you'd be totally fine tomorrow

56:34 You can do what I did to get to get here

56:37 Just lie on my resume. Yeah, I isn't even lying anymore. I created zebrafish. Is it even lying anymore? I trade trademarked it

56:44 patented zebrafish Oh

56:50 I hate this Okay, um, it's okay. We have some discussion questions here

56:57 Some of them are interesting. Uh, do you see anything in the video the guy who excited? No, not at all

57:02 Um, how long before we're forced to watch ai generated content in a major motion picture?

57:06 I just won't go watch it. I've been doing that for a long time Would we be surprised?

57:10 Would you be surprised to hear that it has sort of already been used extensively or something? No, because like

57:17 even if it's at the concept art stage where

57:20 To be clear, there's a lot of people that are upset about that type of use for it because

57:26 concept artists are a thing But what I'm what I'm getting at here is if it were used at the concept art stage

57:34 And a real artist went and took it from concept art to what you actually see

57:39 You probably would not have any way of noticing it. You wouldn't be able to tell from the pixels or whatever

57:45 so odds are

57:48 That it's already been used extensively

57:51 Even if it's just just at the concept art stage

58:01 Oh, man, uh, there's there's some interesting stuff in here

58:04 David threw this into the notes this comes after

58:08 disney's big push into artificial intelligence that got an ai powered darth vader in fortnight

58:12 Who was immediately tricked into saying racial slurs?

58:16 And also after they continued to lobby the government to prevent mickey mouse from entering the public domain with one hand

58:21 While investing a billion dollars into open ai with the other. Yeah, thanks, david

58:26 That really makes me feel better. Yeah, it's tough. They're just losing as far as I can tell

58:30 Things like bluey are just completely taking their lunch. So they're lashing out and trying to accomplish things and

58:37 This doesn't seem like it is one of them which to me just means you're just losing way harder now

58:43 It's funny because like They don't even really use a lot of the

58:49 IPs that were so no formative and foundational and iconic

58:55 like do you think kids today would not

58:59 I mean, I guess they did do a duck tails reboot I was just I was trying to think like would they not like donald duck and mickey and like

59:06 It's funny because when you're when you're at disneyland Those characters are still so central to the brand identity

59:12 But like when I was a kid, I feel like there was so much media with mickey mouse

59:17 Like you like I remember I had one of those little like golden books that was like mickey mouse

59:21 But it was the story of the prince and the popper like like, you know

59:24 Disney's whole shtick where they they steal folklore and fairy tales and then they just like put their ip and characters on it like

59:33 That seemed like a pretty good that seemed like a pretty good formula

59:36 And then now they've gone like self-referential where they just like remake their own movie

59:40 But in live action and it it it feels like at a certain point you're gonna run out of that. Maybe you could I don't know just

59:47 Look, I don't want to be in charge of disney, but it seems like you could just I don't know do that

59:52 They are releasing toy story 5 Oh god

60:01 I I felt like toy story 3 tied the whole arc up into a nice little bow and I felt like it was done

60:08 And toy story 4 just felt like one of those movies where and then this happens and then this happened

60:13 And then this happened and then like this happened and wasn't that cool and then this happened

60:19 We'll see how it goes Yeah

60:23 I don't know the original toy story trilogy

60:28 Is pretty legendary. I didn't I didn't hate toy story 4

60:34 But it didn't stick with me like the other ones did you know

60:37 Toy story 4 felt so unnecessary. Yeah

60:42 Uh, yeah, there's there's again more notes to this. There's an there's another extra added

60:48 um Do you think we will see a continued push for more practical effects in movies or is this another turning point towards the artificial?

60:55 I don't know. I really liked the the plain steam

60:59 Wow, why can't I talk to the the plain scene in um

61:04 Airplane Uh, what is that movie called? It's from the guy who made inception. Um, but it's about like

61:14 Moving forward or backward a tenet. Yeah, the plane scene in tenet was sick

61:17 And it was filmed by actually smashing an actual big plane into an actual big building

61:22 Um, which was like pretty sick. That sounds really expensive. It was so they did it once

61:27 And then they took like eight takes, you know And then they used that scene in like a bunch of different ways

61:34 Which was probably to justify the expense of it. Uh, but it was really cool how they did. I actually really like tenet, but um

61:44 That movie didn't get the greatest reviews ever. No, um

61:49 so

61:53 I was watching some older like 80s 90s action flicks recently

61:57 as part of my like watching older movies that I never saw and

62:01 I think the thing that stood out to me the most was the car chase scenes

62:05 It's like that semi truck Uh, like dirt bike

62:10 chase scene in terminator two Hits so much harder

62:15 When I know like obviously it's not as spectacular as some cgi up the butt thing from avengers or whatever

62:22 You know, someone's on that bike But like

62:26 They actually bashed a semi

62:30 Up they actually like did those stunts with the bikes. They they really did all that stuff and it was

62:38 Maybe From like as a kid watching it, um, I I would rather just have the cgi

62:45 You know spaceship fight in new york city or whatever I think this is a very interesting point that you're making but as an adult

62:52 Appreciating the artistry of it. Yeah, I find

62:56 Just the speed of the dirt bike Uh as slow as it is far more engaging knowing that it's real. Yeah

63:04 Very interesting. That's a pretty good point. I think Because yeah, I there's there's a lot of things that I'll try to fight for of like the real is more interesting

63:12 But you're right when you're a kid. It's just like

63:15 I don't know Goopy brain juice stuff. Yeah when you're when you're older. It's like how was this made?

63:22 What's the investment in Risk, what's the investment in funds like?

63:27 Yeah Wow, like they you can tell the care that went into the scene because they there was so much spent on it

63:32 so you know that they must have Of really invested and fought for this to happen and and blah blah blah and that all impacts your appreciation of the art

63:40 The partnership that they must have had to forge with general motors to get totally to get like

63:46 19 cars That are going to be in like a giant pile up

63:50 Knowing that they have to convince them that they need them at a good price and that it's okay for their brand to be

63:56 You know bashed because like literally like bashed in because a lot of the time

64:02 car companies In you know more modern times will not allow even a scratch on the car and you'll notice that it's just totally immersion breaking

64:10 Once you're once you notice it once you're aware of it that like oh, okay

64:14 So the hero's car is not allowed to have any damage or scratches

64:19 Because it's the hero's car even though it

64:22 Bashed into a bunch of stuff and drove through a burning building or whatever it is that it did

64:26 Which to be clear is kind of silly because like the coolest Toyota truck

64:33 like ever Is this one?

64:37 Which the like the marshmallow truck

64:41 The person who drove back and forth through the fires repeatedly to save people

64:44 And their truck just like made it because it's a beast Toyota

64:48 Nice, and then Toyota just gave them a new one like the scars can be cool

64:51 If your car goes through some crazy stuff in the film like that that can be cool. It's not a bad thing

64:57 Does plex have a like History of stuff you watched like I'd be I'd be curious to see it does

65:04 Oh, yeah, hold on. Let me let me dig through it. I'll see if I can figure out what I was watching recently

65:09 That was really good

65:13 I can do an additional part of this topic if you want to oh hilarious nick ploof and I are friends and

65:18 We can see what each other watch on plex. I should

65:21 Probably let him know and I should probably disable mine because I don't think either of us probably intended that

65:27 Hope you're enjoying that show you're watching ploof. I didn't mean to creep on you, but quality selection

65:33 Um, they enabled it by default Yeah

65:38 Wait, really? Yeah, it just kind of came out of nowhere. Yeah, we talked about it on wanshow at the time

65:43 But I don't blame you for not paying attention. Is anyone coming for I mean I just don't really use it

65:48 So I probably just forgot but is anyone really coming for plex like I've heard jellyfin talked about

65:53 But every time I bring it up people kind of shrug and go like yeah, plex is still better

65:58 Is it is it is jellyfin improving? Is it replacing at this point? I will have to give it another shot

66:03 It's been a long time since I've looked at it

66:06 I will people are saying mb. We had three different people in a row say mb

66:10 And then now people are spamming jellyfin. Well, okay trying to remember it. I

66:14 It might have been bad boys one Now question for everyone spamming jellyfin is amazing

66:21 Is jellyfin open source and plex isn't and you like it because it's open source or is it just good?

66:26 Which one is it? Why not both? Why not both? Be real? Why not both?

66:30 Be real with me Because it being cool because it's open source is great

66:36 But that has to be in addition to it also being great that that that is the the cherry and the cream

66:43 You know what? I think it might have been last action hero I think that's the one that I that I was watching when I thought oh my god. All this stuff is real because I was shot in 1993

66:52 so I someone posted you should you should watch a video that's like

66:59 No CGI is just good CGI Not in 1993 in 1993 when they crashed a car into another car

67:06 They got two cars and they basically did what every six-year-old boy does when he's got two cars in his hands

67:14 But just filmmakers on a much bigger budget

67:19 No, you can tell when it's a scale model guys. Come on

67:23 Come on be real You can tell

67:27 Sometimes it's pretty hard cars Cars have weight cars probably yeah the way that they bend the way now

67:34 No, no, no, no, no, especially when it's a low speed collision and they like you can you know those 80s cars, right?

67:40 Like you can see the shocks and the weight of them. There's no no no no no no no

67:46 Yeah There's an additional part of this topic

67:49 Do you think larian did the right thing by promising to no longer use generative ai even during conceptualization and I was like

67:56 What? Uh, because that isn't what I heard last time at all and it sounds like

68:02 Some amount of hours ago Oh

68:05 um Let's see here 13 hours ago

68:12 There was why is it swen instead of swen

68:18 Are you supposed to pronounce it swen and he just wrote it that way and I don't know

68:23 13 hours ago. He said this hi. Happy you enjoyed our game. So first off

68:27 There is not going to be any j gen ai art in divinity

68:31 I know there's been a lot of discussion around about us using ai tools as part of

68:34 Concept art exploration. We already said this doesn't mean the actual concept art is generated by a ai

68:40 But we understand it's created confusion So to ensure there is no room for doubt

68:44 We've decided to refrain from using gen ai tools during concept art development

68:48 They refrain is not a commitment to never Yeah

68:52 That is that way there can be no discussion about the origin of the art having said that we continuously try to improve the

68:58 Speed with which we try to get things out the more iterations we can do the better in general the gameplay is

69:03 We think gen ai can help with this

69:06 So we're trying things Out across departments our hope is that it can aid us to refine ideas faster

69:14 Leading to more focused development cycle less waste and ultimately higher quality game

69:17 The important bit to note is that we will not generate

69:20 Creative assets that end up in a game without being 100 sure about the origins of the training data

69:28 And the consent of those who created the data If we use a gen ai model to create in-game assets, then it'll be trained on data

69:35 We own that is not the thing that was yeah, we need to make sure that when we put notes in the thing

69:40 They are the right notes for the thing. I'm deleting that. Um, so basically what they're saying just like

69:46 Refrain from taking out your cell phones and taking pictures of the performance

69:50 um, that is not You know a hard never that is a like

69:56 Please don't because they can't even guarantee that their own people internally will not use these tools

70:02 They cannot prevent a larian employee from going home

70:07 Getting their laptop. I'm sorry. I mean this laptop from our laptop partner razor. Thank you getting their laptop

70:14 Generating some thing bringing it into work and using it as part of their. Oh, that's not Sven

70:20 That's why it's not Sven. Cool. Um

70:24 They can't prevent anyone from doing that and then the second part of this is

70:30 Shoot now i'm distracted Sorry

70:33 Um, that was the game director. It's a different person is that forever is a very long time. They would be

70:40 Completely bonkers at this point to say

70:43 No generative ai forever and they know that which is why that statement was basically

70:50 We're going to keep doing exactly what we're doing

70:53 Here's a statement we crafted that will hopefully let you guys settle down and touch some grass

70:59 The the most interesting part to me was that the important bit to note

71:03 Is that we will not generate creative assets that end up in a game without being 100 sure

71:08 About the origins of the training data and the consent of those who created the data sure that part's very

71:14 So basically we will use generative ai in the concept phases

71:19 We will generate assets that will end up in the game

71:24 But we will be sure of the origin of the training data

71:29 That seems like maybe not for divinity. Yeah, maybe not for divinity, but it's but they're exploring that that last bit seems pretty clear

71:37 Kind of the plan. Yeah, but this is to be clear, man. Like they're talking about it. But this is the plan for everyone

71:43 It's been fascinating to me how

71:46 Like larion and the the people behind

71:50 claire obscure I don't remember their studio name

71:55 Are gaining so much flak for this And then embark the people who made our creators are like super open about it and have been forever

72:05 And they're getting relatively little flak for it. There's been a couple big hits

72:09 But but not that much and then you see battlefield out there

72:15 So obviously having used it to the point where I've seen like promotional images that

72:20 have like Very telltale signs of ai influence and everybody's just like whatever. I don't know. It's ea. They were going to do it

72:27 Anyways, we'll just leave him alone. It's like oh come on

72:31 Come on Anyways, um

72:36 All right, moving on Speaking of cool things. I'm going to do a random like a side thing. Uh Dan. Hold on. Oh is Dan going to have us do anything else

72:45 Yeah, probably do the merch message because your thing there says topic two and we're on topic

72:49 Literally about to grab it. Wow. Nice. Wow. Nice quality. Wow

72:53 Oh

73:02 Right Hey Oh shoot. I've got too warm and I finally took it off. Well, uh, okay go to luke's screen

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75:35 Hey, we got a second wave today bonus who always wearing the new eggplant

75:39 Yeah, nice looking good a little flash of blue a little a little flash of italian in the summer

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75:59 Anyway, it'll go to producer Dan who will reply to it or pop it up here

76:02 If you just have a shout out for someone or who will curate it

76:06 And read it to me and luke to respond to Dan. Do you want to show us a couple curated merch messages?

76:11 Yeah, sure. Why don't I have one here about the pixel heart? Hey wan.ai question for luke

76:17 Is the pixel heart drop a celebration for your new 50 50 loving relationship?

76:22 Or just a valentine's approaching

76:25 What is this a joke? I don't get it's for having owning half of wan. You're now tied together

76:33 Yeah, it's funny business arrangements are actually like

76:36 Way way more binding than like marriage

76:40 Turns out fun time. Yeah, like I remember Yvonne and I joking about it

76:44 Like when we bought a house together. Yeah, we were like oh this is

76:48 We actually we bought a house together before we got married and we were like oh well, I mean like

76:54 This is way more complicated and then when we started the business it was just like oh, okay

76:58 So between owning a house together having kids together and the business we're like

77:03 Full stuck which is good because I'd like her to not leave me. Okay carry on

77:10 Uh, I'm uh, I mean

77:13 Yes, that is why we did it The the creative people at creator warehouse were like, you know what valentine's day ultimately unimportant

77:20 What really matters is the the link

77:24 Between Linus and luke Um, and this shirt just symbolizes that and nothing else

77:30 Sure two parter totally not that luke found out about this today

77:39 Which is which is that's not what happened that's reality

77:42 I noticed it on my chair and was like, huh And then put it on and then noticed that and was like, oh neat and then loaded up the store to be like, what's going on?

77:51 We only talked about the 5050 like last week. So we designed a shift and prepared a shirt in less than one week

77:59 Amazing. We're so good four days. I'm very impressed by that team. We're wicked smart. Absolutely incredible. Uh, also what class or spec did you play in? Wow

78:09 Oh warrior Classic based all the all the classes all the specs. Sorry

78:15 Uh, the best spec warrior ever is very pro in classic. Wow because wearing shields

78:20 While tanking is boring and not wearing shields while tanking is fun

78:23 There's another one here for luke as well also about wow thoughts on add on removals in wow midnight

78:29 Oh, I don't care. I don't play retail gross

78:45 I don't know. I think they're gonna have a hard time changing their raid design because for many many many years raid design was done

78:52 With the the theory that people would be having add-ons installed and the add-ons basically like

78:57 Tell you what to do all the time. There will literally be like audible cues of like move

79:02 Or whatever. Yeah, like the add-ons are really intense. It's funny because like I actually uh, I've I've really been

79:11 Frustrated sometimes but also enjoying how not

79:14 Handholdy clear obscure is on the one hand. It's modern gaming way too easy. Like when you die in a fight you just

79:22 fry it again Like there's it's like a four second penalty and you just

79:28 Go for it again. It auto saves like all the time

79:33 But on the other hand Like sometimes they'll get annoyed because I can't figure out where to go

79:38 Like there's no map in dungeons. So the difficulty is high, but the punishment is low, I guess

79:43 Yeah, yeah, yeah, so you like you really have to you really have to to try

79:49 And so so sometimes I've been kind of annoyed, but I've also really appreciated

79:54 And I found like the combat for instance way more engaging when the timing is really hard to get

80:01 Um, and like they have these they have these side challenges where you have to like parkour

80:06 And I don't know if you've ever parkourd in a like

80:10 Like third person view Uh 3d game where

80:16 I think Assassin's Creed counts because it just like does it for you. Frankly, it's an rpg

80:20 And is not Assassin's Creed. Like I kind of had flashbacks to psychonauts

80:26 um Huh Like some of them are really really frustrating

80:32 But like getting to the top of like the tower one. I'm like, yeah

80:36 And I don't know. I felt like accomplishment in playing a game that I haven't felt in a while

80:43 That's cool. So I'm into that That sounds like the opposite thing and like they have okay. They have kind of they have a little bit of white paint

80:51 Oh, um, like with the climbing things

80:54 But like the climbing things are gold and sometimes there'll be like strains of gold in the rock and they're actually kind of hard to spot sometimes

81:01 Yeah, I know I like it. I like there's there's a there's a lot going on in like

81:07 I don't know. I haven't played them But there's a lot going on in like modern wow raids

81:12 And before the add-on removal, I guess. I don't know if it's already happened or not

81:18 And and but but yeah, like there will be this mechanic where like say there's there's a boss

81:23 And he's hitting your tank right fairly obvious mmo type stuff

81:27 But he'll put a debuff on your tank and once the debuff gets to a certain amount of stacks

81:32 Yeah, you need to swap which tank is Currently tanking the boss

81:36 Because the the main the one tank will get to too many stacks and you need to swap and that guy gathers stacks and this guy's stacks

81:41 Fall off and you swap back and forth right pretty normal very average thing to be on a boss very average

81:45 There will be add-ons that when your stack count

81:49 When the stack count of the of the other guy average size too high actually

81:55 Six inch tank average size tank. That's way more like eight inches, but okay

81:58 Oh When it's when it's your turn to taunt and like take the boss over because the other guy has too many stacks

82:06 It'll just tell you what the add-on will be like taunt

82:11 So like if you've played a bunch, you'll just reflexively like hear that and just press the button

82:15 You don't even like there's no thinking And then but but like theoretically there is a lot of other stuff happening in the encounter

82:22 So it's not like you aren't paying attention. You're still playing and it can still be really hard

82:26 But like the add-ons are managing things for you

82:29 While you're playing around the other mechanics and like they're they'll

82:33 Certain fights will still be very difficult despite all that but these fights have been built

82:38 with Knowing that these add-ons exist and that people will make them. Oh

82:43 So they're harder They're in a lot of ways way harder where if you didn't have the add-ons, it would be like incredibly difficult

82:49 Oh, okay. No one's doing so is that so now if they're going to take the add-ons out

82:54 Which is in a lot of ways it probably makes sense It's kind of weird that the community has to constantly build things for your game

82:59 Right, right, right, right. So by taking the add-ons out like okay cool that kind of makes sense in some ways

83:04 But then your design philosophy for your game for so many years has had these things in mind

83:11 And I suspect there's going to be growing pains not that I'll experience any of them because

83:17 Retail about sucks, but Yeah, oh no adam plays. Oh, no. Does he hate my opinions? We'll see

83:23 Importantly, they aren't banning add-ons. They're just reducing their scope so they can't play the game for you like lucas describing

83:28 Ah, okay, interesting. Well, that that sounds like it helps a little bit then sure. That's cool

83:34 Shout out adam customer care supervisor for our creator warehouse. Yeah

83:40 All right, Dan, what are we doing? How about some more topics we can do more topics got a bunch to get through let's talk about the samsung smart tv lawsuit

83:50 samsung sony lg high sense and

83:54 Tcl are all being accused of deploying surveillance technology without user consent

84:01 acr automated content recognition takes screenshots and

84:06 Provides other information about what you're watching on your tv to the tv manufacturers

84:12 Headquarters allegedly you are opted in to acr when you consent during the tv setup process

84:19 To opt out at least on a samsung display. You must find the right

84:24 opt-outs across four or more

84:27 separate menus ours technica figures it's roughly 15 clicks to complete after analyzing the lawsuit

84:35 Texas attorney general ken paxton has called acr an uninvited invisible digital invader. I agree

84:43 Texas has apparently secured a temporary restraining order against samsung not the rest of them

84:48 But samsung specifically which prevents them from continuing to sell transfer collect or share acr data

84:55 relating to texas consumers

84:58 The district court found sufficient cause to believe that samsung's actions violated the deceptive trades practices act

85:06 A similar restraining order was requested for lg But a judge denied the state's request and then sony tcl and high sense are still involved in this legal battle alongside samsung

85:16 The lawsuits argue that companies deliberately use

85:19 Use misleading labeling and non-intuitive terminology when explaining acr technology to consumers

85:26 According to source points legal analysis Texas prosecutors argue that each manufacturer also hides or obfuscates what acr can record from its customers

85:37 And the answer is Basically anything that is connected over htmi as well as cable boxes

85:44 If it's on your screen, it can be recorded. This could even include confidential or sensitive information

85:49 if you were to hook up a laptop or a computer to your tv and

85:54 View said info There are no visual cues or warnings that content is being recorded

86:00 So this goes way beyond the data that they might need for targeted advertising

86:06 This is this is wild. Texas is seeking 10 000

86:10 To 250 000 dollars per violation

86:15 With higher penalties when persons aged 65 or older were affected

86:20 That lastly is a little confusing to me. No, I totally get it. I think really why not kids?

86:26 That would also maybe be fair I My thing was maybe susceptible more susceptible to scams and if they can target scams more easily because of certain data like that

86:36 Because the the people getting wrecked by online scams. It's like

86:41 Wildly vast majority really old people. Hmm. Is that is that true? Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah

86:52 So is that who Bethesda was selling horse armor to?

86:58 The elder scrolls based on your own laws is all fit for old people

87:02 No No

87:05 Based on your own logic. That's not a scam

87:08 I know it's not a scam It's not a scam. I just thought it was funny because I thought of elder scrolls. It was pretty funny

87:14 Um, I was just I was just trying to find a way to I thought you were just calling me old to be honest

87:19 I didn't even put the elder scrolls. You're kind of an old soul though a little bit

87:22 Yeah, like there's things about you that are like young dude, but there's also things about you that are very like

87:28 I'm I'm like middle-aged and like I'm more interested in in the exploring the world and and having

87:36 Sharing experiences, you know, like you're just you're kind of old. I started the exploring the world thing

87:41 Right away. Yeah, I know I know dude to be clear. Oh, I see what you mean. Yeah, I know. Okay. No, my bad

87:47 Like you were you were just boring like kind of a middle-aged man. Yeah, and to be clear

87:52 I I I totally get it like I just I was like, okay

87:56 Well, I have flunked out of school I am going to join the workforce and immediately settle down and have a family as quickly as humanly possible

88:05 um You seem like a fantastic wife. Let's be let's be husband and wife and have children

88:13 Like I don't know I was talking to someone recently about like How can you know if you want to have kids or not and I was like, I don't know simple to do and they were

88:22 Some people do sorry. I'm still a little bit sick. I'm having talking problems

88:25 um And they were like no like nobody does it just sort of happens and I was like no Linus did for sure

88:31 Like no if they wanted to have kids. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I was like no Linus knew

88:36 100 yeah, there's no question. They're like how whatever. I was like, I don't know

88:39 But he knew the whole time like there was no

88:42 There was no gaps This was this was a hundred percent. No, that's that was that was the path

88:49 The get education. Okay, we didn't manage that get job get wife get kids

88:55 And then and have a family path accomplished. Yeah, there was no yeah

88:59 There wasn't wavering. Yeah, no I don't know I I I was talking to someone about this the other day, but I had kind of a unique upbringing because

89:08 um, you know people will ask like were you an only child or did you have a lot of siblings and I'll be like

89:13 yes Because I was functionally an only child for most of the time up until I was 11

89:21 Uh, so that was every other weekend. I was with my dad and most of the week

89:27 And then every other other weekend. I was with my mom and also Wednesdays after school

89:33 And so I was an only child at my dad's house, but then at my mom's house. I was one of

89:40 five so After I was 11 I lived with my mom. So I had like

89:47 Only child childhood and then also like some childhood and my entire adolescence as as one of

89:55 Many including because I was the second oldest and there was a big age gap between number four and number five of my of my

90:03 Genetic half-siblings, but we don't really like see it that way, but it's a technical detail that maybe people care about get over it

90:10 Um, so there was a pretty big big age gap between number four and number five of us. So I like

90:17 knew that I love little kids

90:21 And I like knew how to change diapers and I like like I actually participated very actively in caring for a baby

90:29 um, and it's something that I I feel like a lot of

90:32 Parents in my cohort seriously missed out on

90:37 Because it used to be that people had Enormous families. Yeah, like tons and tons of kids to the point where by the time

90:45 Number five number six number seven number eight number nine are rolling in

90:50 The eldests The eldest ones are very actively participating in in the care of and the upbringing of of these kids because otherwise

91:00 It's a completely non viable situation and I uh

91:07 I don't know. I I I felt like I just had more certainty and more confidence

91:12 Going into parenthood having had that experience sure that I feel like a lot of people it like including Yvonne

91:19 I laid that out too. Yvonne was one of two and they were two years apart

91:23 she did not help In any way to raise a child before she was just

91:31 Here you go handed one Yeah, like that that was brought up as well like oh, how could he have known

91:38 He like how could you know before you've done it? You've never had kids before and I was like well

91:43 He kind of sort of did because he kind of sort of took care of them. I got to see a lot of it

91:48 Yeah, so like I don't know that kind of counts in my opinion like I

91:53 remember being in the hospital waiting for

91:58 My baby brother to come out Like I like I can remember that whereas

92:04 Yvonne doesn't remember that for for her baby sister like it just well she was you just can't she was two. Yeah. Yeah, exactly

92:12 Any memory that you have from when you were like two is is probably heavily corrupted by that whole remembering a memory problem

92:19 Yeah, yeah 100 um, I don't I do not remember how we got into this topic of conversation. No idea

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94:20 Okay, the rules are simple Earlier this week there was a survey sent out to our team

94:27 While we were away at ces. Oh fun. Okay five questions were asked and the top three answers for each question

94:34 Have been recorded for us to try to guess To keep things moving we will be given two guesses each per round

94:40 The answers are weighted and there will be up to 300 points up for grabs

94:45 Whoever has the least number of points at the start of each round will get to guess first

94:49 And somewhere off screen a coin was flipped and Linus will be guessing first for the first prompt. Oh, I see

94:55 This is very It's only mildly out of it, but I like their box

94:59 You open it and it the info card comes out of the my luke cam button doesn't work

95:05 Oh, because I have it in takeover mode. Okay. Uh, oh one sec. Uh, oh

95:09 That's cute I don't think it's cool. Good chat. Neat. All right, Dan hit me

95:16 One second Sure thing. So prompt number one name a piece of tech you couldn't live without

95:23 Linus, you're up first phone

95:28 Wait, this is this is Luke, what is your guess?

95:33 What is my guess or do I have to say that it's on the board or not? I have no idea. I've never watched wanley feud before. Sorry. What do we talk? What is my guess?

95:41 What am I guessing name a piece of tech you couldn't live without I'm guessing who you're guessing what everyone said

95:47 Survey phone. Well, you can't say the same thing. No, you have to get something else. Got it. It's obviously phone

95:52 Well, there's lots of responses. It could be something else. Got him. Got him. Got him. Got him

95:58 Do we do the survey says first Probably should have done water filtration

96:03 The hell is wrong with you

96:07 He's just throwing you can't throw no

96:12 That's so lame. You can't just look at chat. I didn't get that from chat. All right

96:19 Okay, you said you got for either of us you said like you got two guesses

96:24 We get to what I don't understand this game at all. What is what is happening?

96:30 It's family feud. You just have to guess what most people said

96:34 And and the people who I can't say the obvious for sure answer that you already because I got to go first

96:39 But but you'll get to go first if you're behind and there's like five rounds. Okay, so I'll go first next time

96:44 probably

96:48 I think I think that's it camera sure Camera camera. Okay, and we have to say two each

96:55 Apparently that's what it says here. Okay. I'm gonna go with

96:59 PC Or like computer computer computer computer. Okay. Yeah

97:09 Some someone will have said 3d printer

97:13 Oh, oh, I like at least someone I like it. Okay. All right. Give us the result for the first one

97:19 All right response number three

97:22 Was computer or laptop? So that's 10 points to Linus

97:27 Response number two was headphones or earbuds

97:30 Oh, wow, you got that and response number one

97:34 Phone

97:38 So that's Linus leading with 45 points. Luke. Nobody said water filtration

97:45 So Luke you get first they're all lying. Didn't he have two at two other guesses?

97:49 So I thought we didn't count that stupid water filtration one. It was good though. You all know he said it too earnestly

97:55 He was way too earnest. You would all have very serious issues to drink it from the floor

98:01 Prompt at number two Name a sign that you've been sitting at your computer for too long. Luke. You're up first. Numb legs

98:10 Numb legs dry eyes dry eyes. Yeah, I don't get this problem

98:15 Soar someone asked you recently if I wanted eyedrops and I was like for what?

98:19 and Luke you have another one blink more

98:24 Luke

98:28 Look guess number two sun comes up sun comes up tired

98:34 Tired all right So sun comes up. You are so your answers are so revealing of yourself

98:40 You're supposed to guess for the other people. This is we surveyed LMG

98:46 Whatever Number three survey says sore eyes

98:51 That's 15 points to the line

98:55 response number two is Legs are butt going numb. Yeah 20 points to luke and response number one was back or neck pain

99:03 Oh, okay, definitely posture issue. What is wrong with my co-workers?

99:08 Uh problem number three name your favorite LTT Store item luke. You're up first. Okay luke goes first. Nice

99:15 screwdriver screwdriver

99:19 Um Internal people

99:23 Oh That's tougher

99:31 Kind of remember all the bloody stuff we make we make so much. I'm gonna say scribe driver

99:35 Scribe driver for Linus. You'll get some on that. I feel like backpack

99:39 Backpack everyone got one at the christmas party. So it has probably the most internal exposure

99:44 That's actually really smart gamesmanship And guess number the last one Linus

99:51 I'm gonna go with water bottle. That's got some for sure. It's got to it has to you

99:56 Guess number three is a cargo pants

100:00 Shoot That makes sense. The cargo pants are sick. That makes sense. Number two

100:06 Backpack nice 15 points to luke. I'm getting wracked. Number one. Do you know number one? It's screwdriver. Yeah

100:13 Let's go. Hold on. I gotta do some tabulation here coming out of nowhere. Oh, I should have gone backpack. You're right

100:21 Fudge when I went. Oh, it was like backpack might be one

100:24 I'm still happy with screwdriver, but I was like if he gets backpack, then he's getting number two

100:28 Luke pulls ahead. Let's go prompt number four Linus. You're up first here

100:33 Name I got this name something you would use a magnet for Linus. You're up first

100:44 You

100:47 Would use a magnet for

100:50 Ah Sticking to my fridge

100:55 Okay, I don't know that's pretty good picking up screws picking up screws

101:01 Linus guess number two

101:04 Mounting a tool And luke final guess cable management

101:10 Oh crap, that's a good one for cable management guess number three

101:14 Picking something up like drop screws almost verbatim. Nice. Okay. That's cheating. Okay, uh guess number two

101:22 Sticking something to a fridge

101:26 And guess number one is cable management

101:30 Ah such a good one. That's a good one. That's a good one

101:33 I have no excuse for that one. That's so dumb. Yeah

101:37 Okay, more LTT Store answers. I feel like they almost answered like they almost reverse family feuded us here

101:44 Like trying to give responses that we would

101:48 think and Like that's such an LMG LTT Store answer cable man. Come on. Yeah cheap cheap cheap

101:56 And lastly name something you're likely to leave at the hotel while traveling

102:02 Linus you're up first because you're in last place

102:06 You

102:11 Cable okay, so is this like like you have left the hotel permanently you've checked out and yeah, you've left it at the hotel

102:19 I'm going with cable cable. Okay, luke

102:26 I don't like my guess anymore crap

102:37 Yeah

102:41 Charger Linus

102:48 Sock oh Sock

102:53 Are you a kick your socks off in bed kind of guy? Yeah, definitely

102:56 I used to be and then I left a lot of socks in hotel rooms

103:01 And now I just like I'm like no no not that and I'll I'll just take them and I'll put them in my pot

103:07 I think luke been pretty good about the last one last guess. So I'm going back to chat toothbrush. I don't know. It's not very good

103:12 But toothbrush. Okay. Let's see here. I feel like this one's gonna be quite number three

103:19 Headphones or earbuds. They'd love headphones

103:24 Definitely never leave my head why yeah, I would never leave my head number two

103:29 Toothbrush. Oh nice 15 points to luke. How do you people lose your toothbrush? How do you lose your toothbrush?

103:35 That is insane toothbrush, but I was just trying to think of things like I just oh, I've definitely left socks that one was good

103:42 And number one Charger for 25 points

103:51 I wasn't even sure charger would count because it was so similar to cable

103:55 I was going to give Linus judgment on cable if nobody picked it

103:59 Um, so that is 155 points to luke 85 points to liners

104:06 Yeah, I was literally I was worried there at the start

104:10 Dude purified water. What is wrong with you people just never they didn't really think about it

104:14 Yeah, I didn't think about it technically technology, but like not in the way we're talking about it right now

104:20 What is wrong with like floor water?

104:28 This guy This guy massive shout out again to delta hub

104:35 For sponsoring this fun little segment. That was pretty fun. Um, don't you dare do it again?

104:44 I mean blame blame your employees for that one. No, I blame delta hub

104:49 I blame my sponsor You blame the people with the cool balls. I will never take your money again

104:56 All right, uh, why don't we jump into they will if you go to the qr code on the screen now? Goodbye. They sure will

105:04 Um steam machine price leak

105:09 Yeah, um, I I was kind of wondering if because on at some point time on wansha

105:15 We said expected prices didn't we didn't we both guess we've talked about it

105:19 I have guessed in a dedicated video on LTT So what did you get because I I know I have guessed but I don't remember what I said

105:26 So what did you guess? I don't remember my guess. There's also a note that I think you just flashed it on screen

105:31 People are saying this is all bs. It might be we have no idea. It's a it's a leak or a rumor or whatever

105:35 But there's also people that have noted that in in chequilla

105:40 Uh, the tax is included in the price. So this would be with tax. Okay

105:44 So my guess and yeah, this could be total this could be total nonsense

105:56 How did this comment get

106:01 Uh, oh, yeah, it surprised me as well top up voted on reddit of all places. Yeah, you know what that's fine. I

106:09 Uh, okay. Anyway, the point is my guess according to the ai overview

106:16 Imagine using ai to find your own, um information. It does sound right though

106:21 My guess was apparently six six ninety nine

106:25 However, I did I did pull the totally

106:30 Um

106:36 Okay, yeah vice says I believe six ninety nine. Uh, apparently that's what I said

106:40 However, I did pull the totally bs move of saying barring any major changes in the market

106:46 Which was because d RAM was like

106:50 Looking like it was gonna go parabolic So you said six ninety nine u.s. Yep

106:56 Which it looks like they're tax on electronics there if I'm correct with the googling

107:02 Is twenty one percent? Okay. Um, so what's six ninety nine times twenty one percent? It's about another hundred and

107:09 Twenty hundred and thirty dollars or something like that. So eight hundred and thirty bucks

107:14 So I could be off by over a hundred dollars if

107:18 If It's just a straight conversion

107:22 There's very likely also like usually when you have something come up here

107:26 It'll be like yeah, it's it's price converted and then also rounded up to the highest closest ninety nine

107:33 Um So there's there's also stuff going going on like that. Miss me with that sales tax bs here in oregon

107:42 Yeah, oh right because they don't have it neat cool. Uh, but what we're talking about

107:47 Yeah, is why the the listed price on this leak might actually be

107:51 Higher than you might expect even if the leak is true

107:54 Which is because the tax might be included in this price

107:57 Because they include tax in their price in this region j christ 08 says people say the retailer adds 17 margin as well

108:06 Sounds like a credible person

108:11 Yeah, yeah, we already knew that part. Yeah, but then also margin for this retailer

108:15 So so all of that combined. Oh, okay. We might I might be really close land it pretty close

108:20 This is what I was trying to effectively get to. Yeah

108:23 That'd be kind of cool. I I wasn't expecting really to be right because I know there's so much

108:28 Volatility plus tax being included plus retailer markup not coming directly from steam all that kind of stuff might land it

108:35 Um pretty close to what was expected I think the conversation now is kind of the the branching decision tree then

108:42 So if this is right and it actually ends up being like 900 to 1,000 us dollars

108:48 Is it doa to you? No, really? Yeah, I don't think so at all

108:54 Um, I yield the floor One thing is I'm wondering about about competing devices that include a Windows license

109:02 If they will be priced competitively still after some of these vendors update their prices to reflect to reflect

109:09 increasing DRAM prices Both in the the you know

109:14 Honestly across the system because a variety of different things use DRAM these days

109:19 GPUs are going up in price. Everything else is going up in price. So like is this actually not that competitive?

109:24 Um, it might still be cheaper because of no Windows It might still be cheaper because of a variety of different reasons

109:29 Pricing is going through the freaking roof right now Correction for people who are about to tell him that nobody buys Windows. They definitely do especially when they're buying pre-builds

109:37 Yes, which this effectively is but then Windows also doesn't cost that much as a license on a pre-built machine

109:44 It still costs. Do you know how much it is? I don't remember. It's a lot less than retail, but it also

109:50 Significantly depends on your agreement with microsoft like at ncix

109:54 Retail was like a hundred dollars a hundred ten dollars and our cost was like 90 dollars like it wasn't much lower

110:00 But we also weren't like a proper si And I think a big part of the reason that we couldn't get proper si pricing was that they knew that we would just sell oem copies to

110:09 Regular retail customers for sure for sure

110:13 And so they like couldn't trust us with it essentially I'm trying to find and that was true not just of ncix, but the the the retail

110:20 Sort of pc hardware channel in generally just can't can't trust those guys to like abide by a licensing terms thing

110:27 Which from a consumer standpoint is pretty, you know, awesome and pro consumer

110:32 It's just that from microsoft's. Hey, we'd like to get the money that we intended for this particular licensing terms agreement

110:39 Is not conducive to that

110:42 I'm trying to figure how much it oh here we go while you're working on that amicur and inflow plane chat says

110:47 But do you think valve saw the reaction to your price estimate not being ridiculously angry and just went with it?

110:53 No, I don't I don't think I have that kind of influence. Yeah

110:57 It's it's so funny that my job title is has literally become

111:01 You know as the as the terms have have changed

111:04 Has become an influencer and I legitimately like do not have nearly as much influence as a lot of people seem to think I do

111:10 I think I think you said this last show as well I think you're absorbing that term in the wrong direction in my opinion. I think when most people say influencer

111:19 They don't mean of companies. They mean of the audience. No, no, that's a hundred percent true

111:23 So they're not talking about your ability to influence valver and vidya

111:26 Well, a lot of people in the audience think it goes both ways though, right?

111:30 It like for sure does I think there are a lot of I think there are a lot of people

111:34 In the online media slash influencer space who pretend that it does as well

111:39 I think there's definitely the ability to influence rage within a company at certain

111:45 employees for doing certain things so like

111:49 If something goes poorly a high up that sees that thing go poorly might crush down on someone for it

111:56 But if that was literally what they were intending and you're like, I don't like it

112:01 Because price go up

112:05 Yeah, I don't we're not having any kind of real impact on high level decisions. I mean if if online anger

112:12 From, you know influencers and and fans or whatever could could affect major decisions at large companies like

112:20 Disney's star wars leadership would not be what it is right now. Yeah

112:25 But yeah, I I still think this has viability

112:29 um There's also that another aspect of this that you've talked about fairly extensively at this point, which is the

112:36 Top 10 percent of earners buying 50 percent of things

112:39 Um, oh the k-shaped economy. Does this really affect the top 10 percent of earners?

112:46 No, but I also don't think that they were necessarily going to be after such a

112:52 mainstream product in the first place I don't know. I think

112:57 You can get a lot more pc for a thousand dollars. Yeah, but I don't think being top percent percent

113:02 I don't think being top 10 percent earner means

113:05 You're savvy. Yeah, that's fair I think it's like, oh cool steam has more hardware. I really like the steam deck. I'd be cool with more steam stuff

113:13 I'll just attach it to the steam box thing that can play video games on my tv. That's awesome

113:18 So next week, we're going to be shooting me building my own steam machine

113:22 Hold on 10 percent is still a huge market. No, it's it's 10 percent of income earners. Yeah, are 50 percent

113:29 Of the purchasing market. Yeah, so the top 10 percent of earners

113:33 Are responsible now for 50 percent of us spending. This is specifically in the us

113:39 Which for a wide variety of reasons is super bad is wild

113:43 Yeah, like absolutely mind-blowing like you can literally target the top 10 percent

113:50 And you can hit half of the spending in the entire us market

113:54 And when you consider how much lower margin

113:57 That other 90 the products you're selling to that other 90 percent are because they're going to be

114:04 You know more entry-level products

114:07 There all the the the lucrative opportunities shouldn't say all but many of the lucrative opportunities can be had

114:14 by only targeting The the very very top earners in that market

114:22 No, so bolster says it's bad, but it's still what 35 million people they can sell to

114:26 No, no That's not what's going on. That's completely not that's completely besides the point

114:33 The point is that when brands are targeting their product development and their marketing they can just ignore

114:40 90 percent of americans

114:44 and You know those 90 percent can go hey, please. We're drowning and we can't afford this

114:51 and brands can be like

114:55 Don't care Because they can access

114:58 50 percent of the consumer spending the far more lucrative far more profitable spending

115:05 By only targeting the top percent of earners. That's the point

115:10 Yeah, it's not yeah Yeah

115:14 When you're looking at amount of sales It's 50 percent of sales are to 10 percent of people nipolis cage says NVIDIA has entered the chat

115:23 Yeah, that's that's a prime example That was that was exactly what gave me the epiphany about this was like I was trying to put together how

115:32 All gamers seemingly are so angry at NVIDIA and yet NVIDIA's gaming revenue keeps going up

115:40 And I was like Everyone's mad. They keep selling more gpus. Their market share keeps being over 90 percent

115:48 How do I reconcile these? Well, right. It's because those 90 percent are a very loud voice

115:56 But not a very powerful voice

115:59 To people who to whom the only language that matters is how much of my s*** you're buying

116:06 And that was how I kind of finally put it together and I went oh, right

116:09 So these angry gamers I mean you might as well be you might as well be someone who

116:16 Pirated the movie complaining that you didn't like the plot literally you don't matter

116:21 You have no voice to a company whose only language is money and and that and that's just that's just the case

116:27 Once an organization gets large enough is everything boils down to to a spreadsheet to a finance document, right?

116:34 You literally have no voice If you're if you're not exchanging money with this company

116:44 Dead anti-social and Floatplane chat says buy more money

116:49 Yeah, well

116:54 Yeah, that's rough Yeah, so I I still think it'll be interesting for that 10 percent of people

117:00 Which means that if it is if that is true if it is interesting to those 10 percent of people

117:05 Then it will probably be successful um

117:09 Chaper 88 says chat or says is there a do your own steam machine video coming? Yes

117:16 I finally get to build it next week. Um, I've been out of town

117:20 So uh, justin and jordan got to have some of the fun without me

117:24 But it's going to be in the original steam machine prototype case that valve sent out

117:31 completely overhauled hardware That's awesome like like cutting edge AMD

117:36 Um processor for both CPU and GPU like like superfast machine

117:42 Um, it's still going to use all commodity hardware. So unlike the official steam machine 2026 whatever year they attach to it

117:49 It will be um upgradeable in the future

117:53 and We tried to make it match

117:57 the OEM steam machine experience in every way

118:01 And we were not able to get there for reasons that will get into a way more detail in the video

118:06 But it's good enough. It's good enough for me. And I'm pretty excited about it

118:10 Yeah, oh too far gone says it's time for the weekly Intel arc check

118:17 I'm actually worried because all the rumors that I've seen have been

118:21 GPU prices going up in january

118:25 Let's see has the arc b580 gone up in price

118:30 Okay, that's not a good sign the uh Oh, oh, yeah, that's not good. Okay. You know what? No 259 is within my margin of what I consider to be msrp

118:41 There is still one arc The onyx lumi

118:46 That is available for 259 Uh, Dan, do you remember? Can you post the link?

118:52 Oh, wait There is the female audience and Floatplane chat along with no key mr.

118:57 Nebih And some other people are reminding me of what our new egg affiliate url is it's LMG.gg slash new egg

119:04 Feel free to use that Link and then go and pick up an arc b580 12 gig gddr6

119:13 GPU with the Intel holiday bundle, which I remind you includes battlefield six

119:20 There you go or One of these other games if you prefer dying light the beast assassin's creed shadows or sieve

119:28 Uh seven for some reason or other. Yeah, you probably won't yeah, you probably won't take that last one. That's cool. Um

119:36 Yeah Great high end high detail 1080p gaming card

119:42 Even can handle 1440p if you don't mind a little bit of you know xcss upscaling

119:48 um Just yeah super quality card. I um, I actually didn't realize this until I was chatting with him at ces

119:56 But david gochie who did the most recent arc challenge and actually sold. I think he had a

120:02 30 80 30 90 or something like that really solid. I don't know how it was, but it was really solid

120:07 You know how at the end of the video. He's like i'm just staying on arc

120:11 He's still on arc. That's cool. And we I was chatting with him about it. That's really cool. And he's like, yeah, I've just

120:18 I've just disengaged from because because we were talking about how

120:24 I came across a comment on um

120:27 I think it was on the The AMD the AMD show coverage video where I pulled a gpd win five out of my backpack and was like

120:36 I've been playing expedition 33 on this at 1080p like epic details. No upscaling required

120:45 Um, it's incredible to be clear. I'm not targeting 60 FPS at epic on it

120:49 I have to go down to like medium or high or use a little bit of upscaling in order to uh, if I wanted like 60 plus FPS

120:55 The point is just like it looks I was like this looks

120:59 So good. It's absolutely incredible. And I'm not using any upscaling. Um

121:04 AMD's Strix halo chips are absolutely incredible, but they're expensive

121:09 That was sort of the point that I was going through so someone um actually lead me in the comments and they were like

121:15 Expedition 33 is a piece of s*** game because you actually can't run it without any kind of upscaling or gross taa or whatever

121:25 I spent like several hours trying to fix it and turn all that stuff off and I couldn't I returned the game

121:33 And I was like, okay first of all brother I

121:38 Sorry What I meant was I set my upscaling scale to 100 percent

121:44 If that still has some filters or whatever that bother you might be then fine, but I think my I think my meaning was clear

121:52 number two Get over it

121:56 It's a great game If it is even at all even remotely a genre you enjoy

122:03 Or you just are looking for an adventure and a and a wonderful story with engaging characters

122:11 Get over it and just play it um And so I was so I was talking to david about that interaction

122:17 And and he was and that was when he mentioned like yeah, I'm just I'm I've just disengaged myself

122:24 from needing to obsess over every pixel and I'm so much happier

122:30 And and I he said it at the end of the the arc challenge

122:34 I just wasn't sure if it would stick but he's still running his b580 and guy's a gamer

122:39 Like don't don't kid yourself. It's not that he just like

122:42 No, I don't know didn't really care that much because he doesn't play games that much. It's like

122:47 A gamer definitely a gamer confirmed Verified actual gamer. Yeah

122:53 And uh, I just I don't know man. I'm just like Whenever I hear people freaking out about GPU prices. I'm like, hey, we're hear me out

123:02 Buy the one that isn't unreasonably priced

123:07 Just buy it

123:11 I want to leak it so bad, but I won't but we have something very cool coming for this whole

123:16 Arc price check thing

123:20 That's all I'm gonna say Seriously, that's all I'm gonna say you can't do that. It's all I'm gonna say that's that's you don't have that power. Wait. He does

123:32 He's gone drunk with power he owns half the wancho for for two weeks

123:37 It's not even it's not even wancho stuff though. It's it's a different department

123:41 Um, but yeah, no, I I really wanted to show it off this week and to use it this week

123:46 Yeah, uh, but we won't we will we will use it in the future. I think I know

123:51 That does sound very exciting and I'm excited for it. Yeah Uh, all right. What are we supposed to be doing now? Oh Floatplane announcement

123:59 Yes, sir. Dan. I'm on it. Oh my god. There's so many more topics still. That's fine. This is fun

124:03 I'm having fun. This uh, wait, I was about to say the show is brought to you today by Floatplane. Uh, no nice

124:08 No, yeah, it's brought to you with Floatplane. Heck. Yeah

124:13 Where is the Floatplane? Oh, there they are

124:16 Luke Did you know that ces happened this week? Look, I'm just reading sammy's thing here. I take no responsibility for this

124:26 I didn't know because nothing eventful happened

124:29 Okay, that is actually that is actually legit. This is why I kind of opted to not go sort of saw it coming

124:36 this was the

124:40 lowest energy ces That I think I have been to

124:45 Maybe the recovery year the first year after covid

124:48 Because it was pretty slow, but there was at least tech that year

124:52 But like in terms of people it was pretty slow. I asked a lot of brands like look

124:57 Level with me here. I'm not leaking anything. You know that I've been around for a while. Yeah

125:02 Do you really have anything what's shaking?

125:05 No, not even bacon. No and there was a lot of people that were like, you know, I can't say but

125:11 Yeah, I'd be like, well, I'm considering like not going and I'm trying to figure out if I need to go and they'd be like

125:21 Yeah, okay for the first time ever I don't know if you know this

125:25 I came back a day early I didn't until like

125:30 Half an hour before the show someone mentioned you got here Wednesday or whatever and I was like, whoa

125:34 No, I got here. I got here yesterday afternoon. I was in office yesterday

125:38 I was supposed to be I was supposed to be flying back this morning

125:42 And I came back. I came back a full day early. It's not even that normal for you to still be there on friday

125:47 Yeah, like like doing the show from vegas. We've done that. No, not abnormal. He means like that would be normal to

125:54 To be there all week. Yeah, but like we we got some stuff done ahead of time

125:59 So MSI sent over there that monitor with their fifth gen qto led panel

126:03 So we were able to talk about like hardness improvements and magenta, whatever that was a sponsored video full disclosure

126:08 But it was still cool new tech that was coming at ces

126:12 What was another one we did early we did we did del's like 6k monitor early also sponsored we and then once I got there

126:20 I I got briefed on the new dlss stuff

126:24 Like the night we arrived which was on the weekend which is still before the show

126:28 So I had all the information but then of course, you know

126:32 with any brand and No offense to envidia, but particularly envidia what I'll do is I'll write branching versions of the script

126:42 One where everything they tell me is totally true

126:45 And one where there's a little bit of bullshit mixed in with it

126:48 So you always go with the one on the left and this time. No, oh dude

126:54 Have you tried dlss 4.5? No, we'll get to that in a second. Okay first

127:01 So I got briefed on that I I think I I think I wrote and shot

127:06 The AMD coverage because we had a pre-briefing on that

127:10 And then Intel I was able to do on the very first day of the show because I had that sponsored thing for MSI's laptops

127:17 they wanted to show off their prestige laptop and their stealth

127:20 And both of them contained panther lake and I was like, okay, listen guys

127:25 Here's what we can do I can do a dedicated sponsored LTT on these two laptops and you can have 300 000 views

127:34 or Hear me out Panther lake is kind of a big deal

127:38 I really want to talk about panther lake You can be the vehicle through which I talk about panther lake

127:45 That will get probably closer to a million views

127:48 And by the time I start talking about your laptop probably half of those people will have tuned out

127:54 That is still more. Yeah, then you will get that is still a w if I make the video just about your laptop

128:00 And they were super understanding about that And we're basically like, okay, go ahead. So I pretty much got my entire panther lake coverage

128:07 Which I had all the slides from From the way better presentation that was like the architectural dive

128:14 Rather than the keynote. I didn't even see the keynote. I heard it was

128:19 trash I've heard some very bad things And I'm actually super glad that I ended up taking that approach rather than even I didn't even go to the keynote

128:26 Keynotes are so dumb. Yeah, um because there was actually a spontaneous post on the subreddit like the LTT subreddit that was just like

128:35 Hey, thanks Linus for providing like a really balanced take on panther lake

128:40 And I was like, I didn't even really feel like Like I had a particularly because you didn't see the keynote is because I didn't watch the keynote

128:47 So I literally actually just looked at the panther lake like architectural

128:54 Brief and I looked at the at the lineup

128:58 And I looked at what they're claiming in terms of like GPU and efficiency improvements

129:02 And I was like and and then I I was able to game on it at the MSI booth

129:07 And I was like, yo this thing's sick What games do they have available I I didn't ask for more than just cyberpunk because I've seen it on so many different platforms

129:17 That you just you get a feel you get a feel for it and I was able to feel enough that I was like

129:23 I am justified in being enthusiastic about this. That was all I needed to know, right? It's show coverage

129:28 It's not a full review at the event that we went to for panther lake a bit ago

129:32 Um, they had a a laptop there that you could game on but they had one game

129:36 It was already loaded in you couldn't open the settings. Oh, I was allowed to you could see the frame rate

129:41 And it was a unreleased game

129:45 Okay So I can't feedback being just like guys you got to be slightly more useful than this meant actually nothing like yeah

129:55 Please uh, and they seemed receptive. So that was cool. Um, anyway, so yeah, so by like day two

130:03 I think it was was it tuesday or wednesday it was whatever was the day of the robot fight. Um, yeah ufb

130:11 Five here hold on let me find out where's that going up by the way

130:15 We're gonna have a video and then also I think they're gonna have their own things. Okay, so january 6th

130:20 So by tuesday Because that was so sunday monday. You were like done by tuesday. I had nothing booked for tuesday morning. Yeah

130:29 So that's where finally coming all the way around to sammy and his Floatplane announcements

130:35 Sammy pings me. He's like, yo, do you want to just go hang out on the show floor?

130:39 I really like doing these. Um, so yeah

130:43 Sammy and I hung out on the show floor. We went through the uh, was this the north hall or the central hall?

130:48 I forget which one it was but we just did we did one of the halls together

130:52 And it was cool. We found some cool stuff. I found some cool contacts. I found uh, I found a company that makes um

130:59 Um, like a really cool competitor to conformal coding

131:03 That's like you can rework. You can apply it without masking

131:07 Right, so we're gonna we're gonna hopefully collaborate with these guys

131:11 I found um, I found a company that does like flight sims

131:16 But like professional ones. Oh, but also

131:19 A cut down educational version that's still like

131:23 Pretty legit, but doesn't have the motion controls and stuff and they're down to collab on like a $10 versus $100,000 flight sim

131:31 That's cool. Actually, that's so i'm super excited about that. That's awesome. So it was like it was great

131:35 I actually got to attend the show floor as like a networking event for for a day

131:41 And then I had the I had the the bot fight thing, which was something

131:47 um It was quite the experience

131:52 We've talked for a long time. I actually had I had a conversation with emma about this this morning

131:59 she was asking me about CES and

132:03 Like why didn't I go? Yeah, and I I gave this spiel of just like there's I just knew there was nothing this year

132:10 Like I just I just it was in my bones. I knew there was nothing this year

132:13 I also tried to get suss out feelings from these different companies and no one was really giving me anything and

132:18 Usually you can kind of see in the eyes of somebody When you ask them like is there really going to be anything you can see the like

132:25 The like the the competitive spirit a little bit when they're like, I can't tell you but you can just see it

132:29 They're like, I've got some feel the energy. It's like when I guess price like that

132:32 Yeah, like you can tell if you're close, you know, yeah, yeah

132:36 And I was just like there just wasn't anything Um and salmo asks did you get anything good for the tonight show? I did

132:41 There was like gimmicky stuff that I think is gonna is gonna sell really well for like a tv audience

132:46 um, and there's like Wow factor stuff, but it's not an LTT video. It's not something you should buy, you know

132:55 So this this was my next point necessarily some of it's pretty cool some of it's pretty cool

132:59 This feels like an additional inflection point because we had the original you and me working together

133:03 We walk into the little little thing at ncx and there's a mountain of products

133:07 And you just film film film and then you're done and then there was partway through

133:10 I don't necessarily know the exact year, but there was partway through when we started having discussions about like

133:15 We need to make the content now. We need to become the news because that's what I used to say. Yeah, there isn't enough

133:21 Interesting automatic news. There isn't enough products coming out. Yeah, this feels like another dip in that

133:27 Where like your show floor walk where you're saying oh, I networked and I found these interesting video ideas

133:32 Oh, we can make this video idea on this this flight sim thing that makes a ton of sense to me personally

133:37 We can't just wait for it. That's what we have to do now. Yep. Yeah, and that's where the tech house

133:41 That's where the tech house comes in emma brought up the tech house Emma was like the tech house makes a lot of sense now because you guys have to take an additional step forward

133:51 To push even harder to make the news or whatever whatever however you want to define it

133:56 Yeah, we will and it's it's it's not necessarily

134:01 A doom and gloom time. It's just adapting with the times and now we're in kind of a

134:07 Two-year cadence almost we're like, I bet you next ces will be decently interesting

134:12 I think so I think computex is actually going to be pretty sick computex will probably be pretty good because next ces will be interesting

134:17 I I guess I just kind of like Casually dropped that by the way. Um, yeah, we should talk about that

134:27 I don't know It's up somewhere. Yeah, I know. I just don't know how it works

134:33 um I I'm like boomer trying to navigate this. I'm going to guests

134:40 I don't

134:44 understand tickets

134:47 Request tickets something

134:51 Posted on instagram. I mean it's got to be Okay shows come on

134:57 Okay, the tonight show with jimmy fallon

135:00 Okay Come on. Here we go. Here we go. Here we go. I think I got it. I think I got it. Here we go

135:05 I just need to bit it but

135:10 I might meet jason the mow that'd be pretty cool. Yeah, that's pretty sweet. I uh

135:15 Okay, this is going to be embarrassing. I have to look up this guy

135:19 Oh, I think he's snl Comedian writer known for his work on Saturday Night Live. Okay, that's cool

135:25 Super cool. Okay So, yeah, thursday Thursday put in your account. There's thursday january 15th

135:32 I'm gonna be on the tonight show with jimmy fallon. We've actually got a bunch of really cool stuff

135:38 um, that's gonna It's more mainstream

135:42 Because you know, we're we're talking to a very different audience from the LTT audience and you got to be able to kind of hold it

135:49 There's limitations. Yeah, like I saw I saw a really incredible chocolate 3d printer

135:55 That it it's like on demand So it takes only I think it only took about 30 seconds

136:00 No, no, it was more than 30. Sorry. It's about two minutes to like poop out a chocolate like about this big like a chocolate 3d printer

136:06 And so you basically go. Yeah, I want this one I want it in this shape and it prints it for you and then it comes out and it's like ready to eat

136:12 And I was like that'd be super cool. How on earth would we get it there?

136:16 Yeah, that could make a lot of sense. But if it was if it was there and that's difficult

136:19 How fun would it be to start the segment being like, okay, okay, jimmy

136:23 Pick what shape of chocolate you want and he goes like And then we get a little bit of footage of it starting and I go okay

136:28 And then try this piece of chocolate and then give them a piece of chocolate in that shape or something while we wait for this

136:33 To go. Let me show you some other cool stuff. Yeah, hey

136:37 Feels like uh feels like we've waited long enough for our chocolate. Is it done? It's done

136:41 And then there's chocolate jimmy and then he eats it exactly right like that kind of thing but just the

136:48 The logistics of getting something like that relatively short time frame on a short time frame just seemed like they just weren't really going to happen

136:55 Yeah Um, so yeah, there was there was lots of stuff. We had lots of options. We actually gave them a menu that was like

137:02 A dozen plus items long and I think we've narrowed it down to about half a dozen now

137:07 Do you guys do the like writer hunt again? We actually had um

137:12 Or procurement hunt. Yeah, who was it who was on that?

137:15 We had someone who was basically dedicated for a couple of days to

137:20 Finding things for the tonight show which makes no financial sense because no

137:26 Not because they didn't try But I wasn't compensated in any way for the last appearance and I doubt that I am this time because it's it's i'm canadian

137:35 And so it's like harder for them to pay me Or harder for me to accept the funds for some like tax or production reasons. I don't remember it wasn't their fault

137:44 Um, but it's like it's not it doesn't make it doesn't make any like like like money sense, but it's fun

137:50 Yeah, it's just fun. It's like it's neat. It's like, uh, like someone someone made an offhand comment to me about that that ufb robot fight thing

137:58 They were like, oh, I assumed they just threw like a big bucket of money at you and I was like, no

138:01 It just sounds fun if they did I would have disclosed it so you would have known but also I was just like

138:07 I don't know. Fuck it. I'm gonna do a robot fight

138:10 Come on. I keep telling people why wouldn't you dude? I'm so I feel like I'm so easy to figure out

138:18 Like I'm telling people I'm in my zero fucks given phase in my career

138:23 so when I decide to just like

138:26 realistically spend a lot of money to go and like

138:32 I don't know be on tv and meet Jason Momoa because that sounds pretty cool

138:36 And also Fallon super cool too by the way from from the limited interactions. I've had with them. We're not like bffs

138:43 um Or if I want to like be in a robot fight, I don't know man. I'm just I'm just gonna do it

138:50 I don't care anymore. Yeah, sweet. I don't care anymore. I'm just gonna go for you want to leave CES early because it's just kind of boring

138:57 Yeah, then I might just do that too. Yeah, whatever Uh, let me check. Let me check the jimmy fallon leads chats

139:02 Um, shout out. There is a point in time where that would not have been an option

139:05 Shout out Jake belivance for all the cool stuff that he posted. I think sean caldera might have been our guy

139:11 Uh, or was it was it no one? Uh, I can't remember who was assigned to that might have been no one. Uh, but yeah, we

139:18 We we put in the work we put in the work

139:22 Uh, oh right. What was I supposed to be talking about? Oh, yeah, okay other exclusives over at LMG.gg

139:28 Slash Floatplane. We have LMG's favorite tech of the year featuring the one and only mr.

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139:38 Our discussion question is what was Linus luke and Dan's tech of the year?

139:45 Who's your tech of the year I would love to stay big screen beyond two if i've tried it yet. You still haven't tried it. I have not

139:52 You haven't tried it. No, I need to know if i'm gonna get one or not

139:56 It's all hinging on you. I told you you could borrow it

140:00 Yeah, I forgot. Yeah, you should just borrow it. Also. I can't do that. It's your it's your unboxing experience

140:06 I already unboxed it. It can't come used I can you you you paid for it. I unboxed it. I put it on my face and it's never turned it on

140:16 Did you get a little can for it? No, I didn't you know what the worst part is I was at like those are cool though. I was at pymax's booth

140:26 Their new ones might be a better beyond than the beyond

140:30 There's trade-offs. There's trade-offs. They don't have the custom fit gasket

140:36 Um, are they like huge like the pymax? No, okay, they have a new one

140:41 um Actually, is that is that video up yet?

140:44 There's uh, there's a ShortCircuit ShortCircuit. I'm not I'm not that worried about it. I'm happy that the space seems to be moving right now

140:52 It doesn't I love they're pushing it forward. Yeah. Yeah, I purchased something that I was really excited about and that's okay

140:58 I'm not like if there's if the if the steam frame is really cool great if the new pymax is really cool great

141:04 That's not a problem. I think it's great. I don't I don't want that space to die

141:08 um And competition is good And I I'm not I'm not gonna be frustrated about my purchase because something happened

141:15 To me that delayed my ability to use it So are you just trying to show off how much more mature you are than the average consumer right now?

141:21 Like I'm just I'm trying to figure out your motivation for giving this spiel

141:25 I think it's just like I don't I don't love that like see I'm just about that. Oh my god. I just um

141:33 I don't love that uh Beyond big screen beyond has been put in this like position

141:38 Of like does everyone regret their purchases now that there's competitors and it's like

141:43 Whatever dude, they made a cool thing like the pymax one is not as light

141:48 Is it the crystal light? Is that where we're looking at? No, it's the dream or error or something dream air

141:54 Dream air se maybe. Yeah, there it is there. That's that's one. Okay, so here it is pretty small

141:58 So it doesn't have the custom gasket. It's not as light

142:02 But they do have a number of options for

142:05 the um Wait, is this the se?

142:09 Yeah, yeah, that is not the resolution that they told me. Okay. Check the dream air not se

142:17 Okay, because they told me a different resolution. It might just look really similar 3840 by 3552 for the non

142:24 Okay, good. Then the non se is the one that I was covering at the show. So should we check that out?

142:28 The fov seems way higher than the um, I mean, they've always been fov heavy, haven't they?

142:33 That's kind of their deal like their thing. Yeah, so

142:36 These are these are 4k per eye

142:40 up to 90 hertz Um, do they come in clear though?

142:44 clear Like the the the the big screen beyond comes out here. Yeah, dude. It's so sick

142:51 It is so cool. Like that has a value. Yeah, it actually does. Oh, yeah

142:56 I think they're I think their cable management is a little better

143:00 They did a cool cable that splits the DisplayPort and the other data and it actually plugs in on both sides

143:07 so it doesn't And their rationale for it was that very lightweight headsets if they're being tugged from one side are more susceptible for sure

143:15 That makes sense. Um, it's inside out though. Did you get it clear when I got the translucent orange? It's both

143:20 So that's pretty cool. There's two versions of the dream air

143:24 One that uses lighthouse tracking and one that uses slam

143:29 Which is pretty cool. They can't be unlike pymax's other ones that have like swappable modules and stuff

143:34 It's not modular. You can't like you can't just turn one of them into the other one

143:39 But it looks pretty good. It looks pretty darn good. Very impressive

143:45 Um, I am gonna be take a total cop out path here and I'm gonna say steamframe

143:52 Okay, it's not out yet. Yeah, that doesn't seem fair. Is that a hack? That does seem like a hack

143:59 Because I'm so excited for it. That is sick. I think I think for this answer

144:04 It has to be stuff that came out this year. It's for reasons that are so specific to me

144:07 like I have that weird fanless cooled machine

144:12 in my rec room that I use for vr and specifically the big screen beyond twos like breakout box like doesn't really work to

144:20 Get into where the io is In that case and their cables a little shorter than the index

144:26 So like the cable management kind of sucks and I can't really like I can't really put that cool machine up on a little pedestal

144:31 Where I want it without putting a hole in the side of my media console

144:35 So it's just been like kind of janky and annoying me and being able to switch to wireless is going to make it all look

144:39 So much nicer. It's like So specific to exactly how I want to use it

144:45 Although I'm going to have four holes in my ceiling now for where my base stations used to be

144:50 And I will not need those anymore. I was unnecessary, but hey anyone looking for some base stations

144:56 All right. Okay, so pick something for this year. You know what? Okay, fine

144:59 I'm going to go with something that is out this year even though it kind of sucks so far and I'm going to go with micro RGB

145:05 backlights Many sorry mini RGB mini not micro, but but RGB backlighting that

145:14 That new high sense tv the 116 inch that we looked at earlier this year

145:20 Not there yet because you get when you have a dimming zone that isn't just a glow when it's like a colored glow

145:27 Not great whenever you spot it and the and the motion response on it was not good the pixel to pixel

145:32 Transition times are just too long Uh, but I can see where they're going with it and it's like

145:39 Really cool really exciting Yeah

145:45 All right, how'd we how'd we get on this subject? I mean that was the subject so you can go back to topics now. Yeah, that was a merge message

145:54 No, that was a full plane announcement talking about ces. Oh, was it? Yeah

145:58 Whoa, I don't know my job is just to talk so like

146:01 Well, you did it correctly and then second guess yourself. Thanks, tan. Wait classic

146:07 Uh, you don't have to you're great something. I want to throw it there really quick was that I got my reddit account back

146:13 Oh, hooray I don't remember which day it was. I think it was like Tuesday or something

146:18 um, I got a text message when I was still asleep because

146:22 Timezones and stuff. I guess never noticed it and then got a quick call

146:27 Probably one of the fastest calls. I've literally had in my life. Okay from a robot at dbrand, which is how they will be referenced

146:35 um, I didn't even know that this

146:38 This robot had my number But they called me and I recognized the robot and was like, okay. I picked up the phone and they were like, hey

146:46 Uh, I have a contact Do you want me to solve it?

146:49 And I was like, yeah, that'd be sweet. They're like cool. I'll loop you in bye click

146:54 gone

146:58 I was like Oh

147:03 What and then like literally like 10 minutes later or something I got an email from somebody being like, yeah, I can solve that

147:09 Just do this thing real quick. I did that thing real quick. I count back. Wow

147:16 That was crazy

147:19 That was pretty cool. Not gonna lie rag gate to us on uh, in Floatplane 6 robot. It's good to be the king

147:29 That was pretty sick pixel cat now. That's influential. That was uh, that was pretty cool. Where is this man's wikipedia page?

147:38 That should be on the wikipedia page aided by a robot got his reddit account back

147:44 But yeah, thanks dbrand. I uh, I appreciate it and thank you robot

147:49 Um, I much want to bet that your wikipedia page is already better

147:53 Better than what better than it was when we looked at it earlier in the show today. Oh, maybe it's never gonna happen

148:03 I mean, I said that about myself Wait, why can't I I can't even find it anymore?

148:10 Isn't it you go into that reddit thread and then click on it, right? Was that where? Oh, yeah, that's what you did before

148:16 Okay, let's see. Let's see if it's improved. Oh, come on guys get it together

148:24 Oh, man, all right

148:27 What else do we have here at least you should call them robot, but they're they're specific like branding around it is robot though

148:33 So I'll be I'll be nice, but I do like robot. This is cool. Um

148:37 Co-founder of both cd project red and gog has acquired gog from cd project red reiterates philosophy of freedom independence and genuine control

148:45 It's cool that cd project red wanted to divest of this asset to focus on other things and didn't sell it to

148:52 Private equity. Yeah, I dove into this a decent amount

148:56 Yeah, and it just actually seemed totally fine wholesome and chill. Yeah

149:00 I was like, where's the badness in this and it never showed up

149:04 Isn't it cool when cd project red just like behaves all cool. Yeah. Yeah, they don't always get things perfectly right

149:11 No, nobody does. No, they don't but I see I think that's important. I think that that at this point

149:18 it is just such a bad faith

149:21 Bullshit take to talk about, you know, how crappy cyberpunk was it launch?

149:26 Anyone who was upset about it got a refund

149:29 And they made the game good and a lot of those people just bought it again. What more can they do?

149:40 I don't know why this made me think of it, but they will never solve starfield

149:44 Starfield that's Bethesda. They will I know. Oh, okay. I thought I'm sorry. I thought you were

149:48 I was like, what does that have to do with cd project? Nothing. Okay, your base gamer status is removed immediately

149:53 I don't care about we tell wow. They're different companies. You're done. Wait, you're a starfield fan. No, no, no

150:00 Oh, no, the did he thought that they never I'm thinking like of the great comebacks. It's like they were it's fairly similar time, right?

150:09 It was it was cyberpunk and no man's sky And I know a lot of people have looked at starfield

150:14 And been doing the meme of like poking it with a stick and being like, hey do the thing

150:19 It's not gonna happen. Okay. So binky draws says the most they can do is not let that situation happen again. No

150:26 People they were human and they made a mistake

150:29 And they're gonna still be human and they will still make mistakes

150:33 Ideally it's not the same and then but they might be different humans, but it might and it might be different human

150:37 Actually, not might it will be different. We're talking about a corporate entity. It's not all the same people

150:43 I can more or less guarantee that people have been hired people have been fired and people have quit in that period of time

150:49 Of course, I mean it's a gaming studio. So just layoffs

150:52 Have they done that? No, I don't think so. I don't know if uh, yeah, I don't know CDPR has done that infinite money

150:57 This isn't microsoft Dan. Oh, I'm so sorry. What are you talking about? You could just say any other

151:03 company

151:06 I think that's something that that in our in our fandom and in our passion sometimes even we we we get

151:13 I don't know we we get just sort of emotional about sometimes and we go well like

151:18 Well, like doing better should mean being perfect going forward and that's not gonna happen

151:24 That's never gonna happen for me. I promise you that it's never gonna happen for Linus media group or creator wearouts

151:31 We had a thing show up on the subreddit earlier this week where someone ordered

151:34 I think it was an extra large hoodie and they got a small and then they contacted customer service

151:40 And we offered to send a replacement and they got a small again

151:44 And they contacted customer service for a third time

151:49 And asked for a new hoodie and we sent them a small

152:01 Nobody would do that on purpose We need to like hand deliver them the right size or something

152:08 There's no there's no malice you know

152:13 But sometimes sometimes communication errors happen

152:17 Sometimes somebody didn't get their coffee when they pick an order and it was the same person who skipped their coffee like a week later

152:25 and sometimes sometimes an entire batch gets mislabeled and

152:30 You I I legitimately don't know what happened with that yet

152:34 We will find out fortunately It was a us customer within the us

152:38 And so like we can get it back to the dc maybe and find out if it was a mislabeling on the packaging or a mispick like

152:46 Things happen. I mean

152:49 um It's not good

152:53 Obviously, it would be better if everyone just you know bought a game that was perfect out of the box

152:58 Or bought a product and got the right thing in the mail. I'm at the third time at least

153:05 but like You know, I think what's more important is that you move forward

153:12 In good faith you try to fix things and I I think that's like that's such a that's like my corner

153:18 That's my cornerstone these days. That's the thing that I'm kind of clinging to is the concept of good faith engagement

153:26 as long as someone is Engaging in good faith, which means

153:31 With a genuine shared interest in reaching a mutually acceptable solution

153:37 Right, they actually want the problem resolved because sometimes you have people who don't actually want to resolve the problem. Yeah

153:44 They just want to be angry You know, they just wants to watch the world burn master Wayne. How's uh, how's triple small shirt guy

153:52 Doing they they basically I haven't checked back in but what they said was at this point

153:57 I think I just want to refund which we'd be we'll be totally fair

154:00 Totally totally fair. We'd rather get you your shirt

154:04 But if we can't then we'll settle for just you know a refund

154:08 We should fix it by sending them the correct size and also a small in the same box

154:13 Stop

154:17 Um What are you what is what Dan and adam? What are you guys talking about in the chat Dan says we should hand deliver a small the fourth time

154:26 No I also said he was trying to move the dead stock

154:31 Oh my god Did adam actually did he did he comment on this?

154:35 If someone would let me I would hand deliver it lol. Yeah, no adam. That's not

154:40 How these things work that would be really funny too take the xl label off an xl and put a small on it

154:46 Even though it is an xl shirt hand deliver it. Here's your here's your small. Yeah, buddy. Wow. You've really put on above in the beyond

154:54 Geez it's a bunch of sizes up

154:57 Oh, no, you know who'd end up being too small as if you try to send the correct size and a small that's funny. No, no

155:06 Um all right

155:10 What else we got here Uh

155:15 C. S. Of wacky stuff Oh, yeah, we could do that s2026 they put ai in all sorts

155:21 Of wacky stuff. Okay, and so we're supposed to rate out of

155:26 Five, okay, how appropriate we think the ai is okay. Why don't we start with the ai barista?

155:35 From bosh okay

155:39 bosh debuts alexa plus for coffee

155:45 Are you laughing Dan this is serious this is serious coffee shit here Dan besser

155:56 Is it just like i mean coffee does that to you but yeah bosh is new

156:01 Jesus I

156:07 Amazon button to order more toilet paper. Okay, stick that right on the front

156:12 Bosh is new ai powered personal ai barista for its 800 series espresso machines built on amazon's alexa plus brings

156:22 conversational control to coffee brewing but

156:26 Apparently the ai struggled a bit with simple tasks its predecessor handled with ease

156:32 All right out of five with five being the most appropriate. I don't drink coffee

156:38 But I think I'd give this like a two because I feel like it's just going to select from like

156:43 I don't know six different options that it can do and it looked like there was a screen on it so you could just

156:48 Poke the thing and I feel like people have this whole thing of like don't talk to me before I've had my coffee

156:55 And now they made up. No, it's a one people have a thing that says don't talk to me before I've had my coffee

156:59 And now they're making you talk to your coffee machine. I think it's a one. I'm giving it a one a one. Yep

157:05 I I feel like saying is don't talk to me before I've had my coffee

157:08 And then they're like, hey, you actually have to talk to things before you've had your coffee

157:12 I don't disagree with you. I'm just worried that you're painting yourself into a corner a little bit

157:16 I might be because there could be something else. It's so much dumber. It's a two. All right. It's a two. I'm going with one

157:24 I think I think it's a two because it looked like you could kind of override it

157:29 I think it's a one because of how much

157:32 How little I would need to change and to be clear. I don't think coffee. What's the bottom of this scale, but how

157:39 One to five. Okay. So one is the bottom. Yeah, how little how little I would need to alter what my like morning coffee experience would be

157:47 So I'm comparing this to how much better it would be to just have a preset

157:52 Like No, that's what I'm saying. Just press the button is like you saw me using the super automatic that we have in the writing lounge

157:59 Or the writing department area. Yeah, you just push a button. Yeah

158:04 But like there are different like versions of coffee it can make I assume

158:08 I was I was looking at a super automatic. You know, I'm in the market

158:12 Um, there's some of them can do 30 40 types of of coffee

158:15 Yeah, and most of them just do espresso plus some form of milk

158:21 Which is basically all you need like if it could do

158:24 It does it does that you don't have to talk to it

158:28 Yeah, is it little arc thing they put on top of the coffee. They're not going to be able to do that

158:32 Yeah, they won't be able to do that But if it could yeah, well, but then it wouldn't eat AI for that anyway

158:37 Okay, so it's a one then put a put a bird on it Alexa coffee machine. You know what I'm going with two

158:43 I don't want to paint myself into a corner. No, I'm just gonna one then. I'm just I'm just I think it's just actually stupid

158:48 I don't think anyone wants this. I think it's dumb. I was messing with you. I also think it's a one

158:52 All right, let's move on. Do you want to bring them up and then I'll do the I'll read the things. Uh, sure. Yeah

158:58 Samsung showcased AI

159:02 OLED concepts

159:06 Why like a cassette player and a turntable

159:09 Where the cassette uses AI to provide interactive display features and music recommendations

159:17 And the turntable integrates AI driven visuals on its circular OLED display

159:24 This one

159:28 One I'm gonna go with two

159:32 One I think this is a solid two

159:35 Because unlike the coffee maker where it serves absolutely no purpose that anyone has ever asked for ever

159:43 They're actually attempting to do something is kind of remind it kind of reminds me of like a laser rock show

159:49 But way dumber So that makes it

159:54 Makes it not quite a one

159:58 All right, do you want to bring up the next one? Yeah, sure. I'm trying to figure out what this thing even is, but

160:02 Go the govi life smart

160:06 Nugget ice maker That is a very um

160:10 That is a very hey English isn't my first language word to use to describe anything to do with food

160:16 Nobody wants other than chicken nuggets. Nobody wants a nugget of anything anywhere near any food

160:22 So the the smart nugget ice maker pro introduced at ces 2026

160:28 Uses ai noise guard

160:31 trained to detect freeze ups and automatically defrost

160:36 So the machine runs more quietly and efficiently

160:41 Oh my god, I think

160:46 I think This is a four for me

160:54 Imagine how much more ice cream

160:57 McDonald's would have sold if they had an ai to detect when their ice cream machine isn't working

161:04 Imagine it now imagine that probably that wouldn't work anyway because that wasn't really the issue

161:10 The thing for me is like if this is if this is just modern branding stuff

161:16 And it's really just you know, there's a little bit of machine learning in there

161:21 All right, it might be cool. I think if they're like trying to slap llms in this thing, it's stupid

161:26 But I think I think it might actually just be

161:30 Okay, we need the stupid trendy words, but there's actually just like a little bit of

161:34 Machine learning in here, which is like pretty all right But if you if you want me to talk to my freaking ice maker, no, I don't think there's which I don't think they're doing

161:43 Yeah, so like I think this might actually just be a branding thing

161:47 Because like their actual name for it is the gov life smart nugget ice maker pro

161:53 They didn't throw ai in the name

161:56 They did put smart in there although admittedly that's more iot era. I'll take I'll take smart right now over ai

162:03 I didn't like smart when it was around. It's like Windows 8.1

162:08 It's amazing how good the phantom menace looks

162:11 In retrospect. Yeah, now that the now that the new things exist jar jar banks. You know what?

162:17 Not that bad. Maybe he was okay

162:21 All right next up g e's new smart refrigerator with kitchen assistant

162:28 Combines a built-in barcode scanner that automatically adds groceries to a digital list

162:34 With an ai powered camera system for tracking contents and reducing food waste

162:39 Alongside voice and touch controls to help manage shopping meal planning and inventory

162:50 What do you got

162:53 I wouldn't buy one because of data tracking and

162:57 Data invasion all that kind of stuff If i'm purely if I completely ignore all of those very valid very large concerns

163:05 It's probably like a five. I give this one a three. Okay

163:10 Because I would want something that does all of that stuff

163:14 But this one won't Yeah, okay. I mean that's fair. I so I was going on the assumption that all of the insane privacy concerns are not a thing

163:22 Yeah, and I was going on the assumption that it worked both of which are

163:27 Not okay. No way. Yeah. Yeah, there's no way if I had a fridge that legitimately was like, hey

163:34 Here's everything that's in here. You could make this if it was doing all of this locally, which it's for sure not

163:40 I don't even care if it was doing all of this. I don't care

163:45 Why you could just list those things out give it to grok if it wants to make porn of my celery stalks then

163:50 Let it do it If I never if I never had to think it's not the problem

163:54 I don't care. I still don't okay. There's like big problems with this

163:58 I can detect illnesses and sell that data and like there's lots of issues

164:02 I would be over it if it simplified meal planning. That's my line

164:07 Meal planning sucks. It's like my least favorite thing in my entire life

164:11 you can already use LLM systems for meal planning, but I won't because it's not built into my fridge

164:18 That's dumb if this actually worked If this actually worked and I just it would just like

164:24 crap out Like a thing that I could make and just give me instructions and I made it and it was delicious and nutritious

164:32 You know what, you know, you know how you you've talked about how you you don't have like a cook

164:37 Yeah, I don't you should almost have like someone come in and just look at what you've got and make you recipes

164:43 And then have them leave That would be that would be that would be the most unhinged thing ever

164:50 Well, we could get advanced on this. What are you guys even talking about? That's not advanced his job

164:54 He's an executive assistant not a personal assistant. They're not the same thing. Are you not an executive?

164:59 If you if you had a higher output, then it's his job. This would be a thing. Oh my god. Um, anyway

165:05 Yeah, it's not gonna I mean it honestly

165:09 might be able to suggest recipes

165:13 I don't think so because it would have to have It would it would have to properly track

165:19 Age of the it would have to properly track what's in it. That stuff is concerning the age of it

165:23 The age and date stuff and the consumption of it. What about the stuff you don't put in the fridge?

165:27 Like does it know you have rice? Yeah, or beans. Yeah, yeah, like it's yeah, so it just sucks

165:32 Yeah, so if it could do its claim and it wasn't obviously

165:36 Obviously making a decent amount of money selling all of your data that I think it's really cool actually

165:41 Yeah, but it is making a bunch of money selling all of your data, which is like a hard stop for a lot of people and

165:49 Mostly for dance reason to be completely honest. It's not gonna work. Anyways. No, it's not gonna work

165:53 So like so I'm averaging my scores the theory. Oh, yes

165:58 Okay, sure. Then yeah, it's I think it's like a two

166:02 All right All right, next up

166:06 lip pros Ami desktop ai companion

166:11 Uses an eight inch curved OLED screen and an integrated ai needed to be that big to display

166:20 A 3d character that tracks your eyes

166:24 senses gestures and expressions Interacts contextually to offer an empathetic presence on your desk and is marketed

166:33 And I kid you not is marketed as an ai soulmate

166:40 I

166:49 I've got my score ready

166:52 Can we like break the scale? I don't know

166:58 It makes me so sad man

167:01 It's so dark. It's so dark for humanity

167:06 There has to be a one My god, I'm a two and the reason the reason I am averaging

167:14 I am averaging the usefulness of ai in in this product, which is that that's the exercise

167:21 And I think that yeah, I didn't need to be like an interactive desk soulmate

167:26 Probably would need some kind of LLM integration to be even remotely interactive

167:31 With the negative four of how much I feel this product should exist and anyone should use it

167:37 I ended up at a two God, well one and a half which I rounded to two

167:42 Following rounding rules. It is worth pointing out by the way that razor

167:46 Um, just because you sponsor the WAN Show doesn't mean we aren't also going to bring up your cringe desktop ai assistant

167:52 Oh, I was talking to mark about those before the show. I heard about this. What is it called?

167:56 He suggested that we get them for the editors instead of putting in the sad lights

168:01 This is making an a like Yeah, razor. Can you send 15 of them people will buy that the marketing is slightly less cringe

168:09 But the fact that it's a waifu is slightly more cringe

168:13 so And apparently One thing that's cool is you will apparently be able to use whichever LLM you want

168:21 A thing that's a little less cool is right now. The one that it works with is grok

168:25 Which has had some problems lately

168:29 um To put it mildly. It might not be problematic for the people that are buying this

168:42 Which is why

168:45 Oh my god, look get rid of it. Get rid of it. I can't anymore. Wow

168:56 Get rid of it. I'm doing it. I'm doing it. Okay

169:01 Moving on I want to bring up the glide. Yeah, it's up glide has unveiled

169:08 A smart hair clipper with an integrated ai

169:12 Stylist that uses your smartphone camera and app to map your head

169:17 Coach you step by step and adjust both blade length and motion in real time to guide haircuts

169:24 and prevent mistakes

169:31 Disrupting the 50 billion dollar grooming market. Oh, yeah, all those not extremely highly paid

169:39 Barbers we definitely need to disrupt them

169:42 That's that's very valiant of you. Good job

169:46 Um, I I think it does definitely

169:49 Okay, if we go with the assuming it works angle You're selling the data on your skull. I guess which doesn't really matter weird, but probably doesn't matter

169:58 Um, if we go with the angle that it works, I think it has quite a bit of utility

170:02 Um Is it going to work?

170:06 Would the errors with it be really hilarious? Yeah, I think so. Yeah

170:11 I think so there's a funny factor

170:14 I think that I'm going to go with a one

170:18 Really? Yeah, I'm a one on this Why is that? Because the ai in the case of the fridge

170:24 There's a real value to the ai being built into the fridge

170:28 with this Yeah, it really does not need to be in the clippers. It does not need to be in the clippers really be your phone

170:34 Especially with like depth scanning with an iphone. Yeah. Yeah, so it should really be in your phone. Yeah

170:39 Yeah, the clippers like actually too close to interact with in any meaningful way to provide any kind of instruction

170:46 It was just like a You know you buy the app and you put a phone mount on your mirror

170:51 And you put your phone there and then it like guides you

170:54 That would probably be fine Adam from uh from cw says in Floatplane chat. I would like to ban

171:02 Silicon Valley bros from saying the word disrupt. Yeah

171:06 It like kind of was fine and then now when they're going after industries like that. It's like, I don't know. Leave it alone

171:12 All right next up multiple

171:17 ai smart toilets samsung's

171:22 These are devices that use at hem cameras

171:27 Optical and acoustics does this mean acoustic sensors. There will be pictures of my what it was that it's a

171:36 Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. I'm thinking. Hold on. Let me get let me let me get there. Let me get there. Okay. Okay

171:42 These devices will use cameras optical slash acoustic sensors acoustic sensors

171:50 I was waiting for him to hear that they want to hear my farts, dude

171:53 I want I want a database of my farts now and machine learning to analyze urine and stool samples

172:01 Uh or stool patterns Detect health related changes and provide insights or alerts via companion apps

172:08 They should have the poop olympics. You know how divers have that whole thing about how they're supposed to make a very small splash

172:16 It should be

172:20 Why would I need that? It's a five. It's a five. Five definitely just for the chance that we can have the poop olympics

172:26 It is totally worth it sell pictures of your butt

172:30 Not even sell it give pictures of your butt away to toilet companies. We need we need this needs to be like social media

172:36 There needs to be like leaderboards. Yeah fart book from letter Kenny. Yeah, this one is more complicated for me than the fridge

172:45 Because with the fridge, I don't think that for me personally

172:50 I don't think there's much that you would glean from my eating habits that would tell you much about my predispositions

172:56 Um, I think that the the capacity to use totally would by the way

173:00 It would tell us some stuff It would talk about when you're in various emotional states and blah blah blah blah and then they'll target you with advertising like

173:07 It's super a thing for most people maybe

173:11 But I make fun of you a lot if you're eating nothing, but like chicken breast

173:16 I am a very predictable eater as well. You will learn basically nothing having a rough day. Would you have extra cereal?

173:22 No I'm serious. I'm actually serious right now. I've seen you binge on some pickles

173:28 Sure, but like then I will go a year without eating a single pickle

173:31 Which has nothing to do with my emotional state like I just

173:34 I I promise you that and I know that everyone would say this

173:38 And maybe that's a personal thing and maybe you're right. I promise you it would tell you nothing

173:41 But for a huge amount of people, which is I think more of what we're judging this and that's fair. No, no

173:46 Not necessarily. So this is for the self. I'm saying for you're right in general

173:50 But for me personally the fridge thing is way less of a concern for me because you would you would not learn that

173:57 I'm about your fridge is for your family. This is true

174:01 But by the time any of this works my kids will be moved out. No. Oh

174:07 Uh, what if what if they're having um

174:10 Cranberry juice, what if one of your daughters is having cranberry juice?

174:14 Well, like us by the time my daughter is drinking from my fridge like by the time these ai fridges work

174:21 My daughter's going to be drinking cranberry juice out of her own fridge. There's no way it's happening in the next like five to 10 years

174:27 No, no shot Either way my point is I think that's bold. You think so. I think that's bold

174:33 You think you think it'll work in the next few years for literally just that scenario that I described of

174:41 Person of certain gender consuming certain thing

174:46 Lining that up with certain types of advertising I just don't think I wouldn't be that surprised if that's like soon. You think so you think it'll actually work

174:54 It's a specific reference. Yeah, it's like to indicate that you have a urinary tract infection probably

174:59 Um, unless you normally happen to drink cranberry juice. Um

175:04 And for men too by the way Um cranberry juice cranberry juice is also just good. Yeah, but like it's also associated with certain things

175:12 But also it's good for UTIs

175:18 Um, okay, you're making me come around on a little bit. However, however, I do stand behind that the the poop

175:26 is going to have Information about your diet and also the functioning of your body one is very egregious

175:34 Yeah, we've talked about this on wham before that the fridge will not totally the fridge bothers me still a lot less

175:40 Yeah, so so this one Um, however, however

175:45 However This one still ends up

175:49 being a three for me Because the necessity of it actually being

175:54 Included in the toilet for it to function

175:57 To me is very high However, how much I want it in my life is a one

176:05 Because I this this one Yeah, this one. I'm like deeply concerned that if you you take like one poop that has blood in it or something

176:15 And you're somewhere where there's poor legislation

176:19 Governing this and your insurance company can like before you even know there's a problem

176:24 Like cut you off if it can if it can tell you are super sick and you open the uber app

176:31 Nice gonna charge you more for a car. Yep. Yep

176:36 Oh All right, what else we got? Ah, yes last one last one and then we're and then we're over this okay

176:44 Samsung has a whole lineup of AI kitchen appliances including a fridge and a wine cellar

176:50 So for the vino files, which apparently the more correct term is actually

176:55 We know files. Oh, we know files. Whatever. It doesn't matter. The point is

176:58 Samsung has got the bespoke AI wine cellar

177:03 Which uses AI vision with built-in cameras to recognize wine labels

177:08 Track each bottle's location And update a smart things AI wine manager

177:15 The notes say sheesh. I just wanted to get a little drunk

177:20 I actually think this one

177:25 Assumption that it works seems like a five or a four

177:28 If it doesn't work now, this one will work a lot faster than the like general fridge one we've been talking about. Yeah

177:34 Um, because it's like way more specified Yeah, if it knows its own layout and everything you're putting into it is a particular shape

177:41 This seems like it could it could pretty much be like amazon just walk out

177:47 Like go-store technology, but like way way way easier

177:50 Speaking of which there is a further correction to our correction on the amazon go-store. Oh, yes. Yeah last week

177:57 I feel dumb. I should have noticed this. Yeah, just walk out is totally still a thing. They're just deploying it differently

178:02 So when I said cancel, I just meant that like particular

178:06 Implementation of it. Oh, I meant the other thing. Oh, which other thing?

178:10 Uh, are we done this? Yeah, we might as well transition into that. We're done that

178:14 The the viral reddit post about food delivery apps was just AI slop. Yeah, I'm annoyed with myself

178:20 I should have noticed this. Yep. Uh, we we talked about a and I usually pride myself on noticing these things decently

178:26 Well, and this was uh, I'm I'm upset with myself

178:29 We talked about a viral reddit post last week on wanshow the post claimed to be from a developer for a major food delivery app

178:35 Claiming that priority fees and driver benefit fees go 100 to the company

178:40 The driver seeing none of it turns out even though this post got almost 90,000 up doots

178:46 4.8 thousand comments and even a thousand pieces of reddit gold

178:49 It was AI generated when a reporter had reached out for further comment to find out more information

178:54 The original reddit posters sent back more information including their photo id and documents, but those were

179:01 AI generated when questioned about it the reddit user blocked and eventually deleted their accounts

179:06 They used for they the reddit user blocked that person and then eventually deleted their own accounts that they used for communication

179:15 Rough there was a lot of signs that this was kind of bs. I think it had

179:20 Nuggets of truth that I wanted to be true. So I fell for it, which is

179:25 Exactly how this whole thing works. So, you know, yeah, I feel dumb too constant vigilance

179:31 I slipped up need to be More on top of it because this is just the world we're gonna live in now

179:37 And we're gonna slip up again And we're gonna do our best to put put better safeguards in place so that we don't we will correct when we can

179:45 And we'll we're just gonna we're just gonna have to power through it boys because that's all we got

179:50 Yep, we just got each other and powering through it. Yep

179:54 Yeah, but yeah Oh, oh speaking of having each other

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181:38 I actually didn't know that we finalized those. Let me go all

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181:50 Okay. Oh, it says they're tentative. Okay. Okay. Oh, I didn't read that line. Cool. Well, I'm glad I'm glad someone did

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182:06 There's a no notes discord is confidently filed for an initial public offering or ipo

182:13 Confidentially, what did I say confidently? Nice

182:21 Then were you live when you also said no normally I I don't correct. Oh, yeah, okay

182:28 I mean, you know, if we're just wrong, it's probably not a terrible idea. I fixed it for you and now it's truth

182:36 He changed the the topic title

182:41 Never wrong that is a good. Yeah, I like that line that will be how I manage from from here forth. Okay

182:48 Can do no ever Uh-huh if I do sure it's like uh kim jong-un if I do something wrong, it's just the right way to do it now

182:56 Yeah, I like that. It's a good good strategy. We're all about rocket science. We're all about dictators here in the west. Yeah

183:03 Yeah, yeah, yeah Can you think of an example of a company that serves a penis potato have to do with anything Dan? What?

183:10 Everything what he said we're all about dictators. Oh

183:18 Sorry

183:22 Can you think of an example of a company that serves a niche or loyal fan base then became publicly traded

183:27 And actually had its regular customers benefit as a result

183:32 Chat you're gonna have to help us out with this Yeah

183:36 For sure gonna need help with that Okay, that serves that serves a niche

183:41 Or loyal fan base. Okay, then became publicly traded and its regular customers

183:47 benefited Cipula says amazon

183:53 No You got it the long term. It's got to be long term buddy. Uh-uh

183:58 Dude amazon is so in s**tified now

184:03 Yeah, I don't think we're gonna come up with anything the next discussion question is what do

184:08 Should we do should we do a dictator's shirt?

184:12 And it's just like a potato in the shape of a penis with like a hitler stash

184:16 Would that be on brand for us? How do you get across at its potato? I guess you can show like yeah

184:20 It could look like a potato root growth or whatever

184:24 Probably not probably for the best that we don't okay. Anyway, sorry. Um, we do well as a sticker or an enamel pin though

184:36 Look at no key in public Stop him

184:41 He was so fast. Sorry you guys have to no he's just like I I dot dot dot and then chat help

184:53 No, no key has to put that in the timestamps now

184:58 No key has to type penis potato

185:02 Penis potato conversation we have to have it. There's no way to avoid it because that's what we're talking about no key

185:07 That is Would it would it be flaccid? Look the answer is it would probably look better if the answer is that boiled

185:17 The answer is that I don't I don't have to do it. I choose to do it to you

185:28 Riley told me off for doing bad chapters

185:35 I don't think I could imagine riley telling off anyone come on

185:38 Does the just to keep the topic going long enough that it has to be its own section. Yeah, does the does the penis potato

185:44 Is it is it veiny Oh

185:48 Because you do get some potatoes that'll have like a bit of a thing going on. Yeah, I could I could see that or not peeled

185:54 Well, not peeled. I think not. Yeah, not peeled for sure like European potatoes

185:58 But like should it have like a like a hole in the end

186:02 Or like Could it have a couple turnips at the bottom? There's potato eyes

186:07 Oh, interesting. So it's like a cornucopia that makes uh a majestic potato schlong

186:23 Okay, um, I think that's enough. I think I think that's a section of the show

186:27 What do you expect shareholders desired changes for discord might be?

186:31 More money or just more users get some of that internet money. Yeah

186:36 All right, we kind of talked about panther lake already earlier. I like panther lake. That was one of our topics

186:42 We haven't really talked about ces much Or AMD much from ces. Um, did you pay attention to what they were up to? Nope. Yeah, so the rumored 99 50 x 3d 2

186:53 Uh did not get announced. Oh Yeah, so instead we get a 98 50 x 3d, which is a quad core, but 400 megahertz maximum boost faster

187:02 Uh, cool. And if you compare to like what 9800 x 3ds could do with like pbo, it's it the gap gets even smaller

187:11 Yeah, um, no, I'd no no part pricing, which is ominous

187:16 Uh, there's one thing I'm pretty excited about. Strix halo got some new skews

187:20 So that chip that no one can get that no one can get supply of and even fewer people can afford. Yeah

187:28 Uh Now has skews that have fewer CPU cores, but still the full GPU

187:33 Okay, so for the like dozen people who

187:37 Want that Of which I happen to be one of them

187:41 That's pretty cool because I've really enjoyed I i'm i'm like deep into claire obscure now on my gpd win 5 and it's just

187:50 I don't think you've mentioned it like 12 times what the last two shows. It's such an outstanding

187:54 Gaming experience. It's like a 40 60 mobile, but like in a handheld form factor. It's like I love it. That's really cool

188:01 Yeah, it's super cool. Um

188:06 That was it Uh NVIDIA's stuff should we talk about that? Oh, right. Yeah, I was going to talk about dlc

188:13 Yes, four and a half Okay, so this was like the first time that I can remember that NVIDIA has undersold something

188:20 Hmm When they so when we were talking they've ever sold they've oversold literally everything since the 1000 series launch

188:28 In my view really 3000 series was pretty sick. You don't think it was

188:34 they Fibbed some stuff in their keynotes 3000. I think the one thing that you could go after them for 3000 series was that

188:42 8k gaming on the 3090 while technically true. We've we tried it it worked

188:49 It was like Unnecessary and I don't think that's a fib so much as a misread of the direction the market was going

188:56 um Like there's a lot of games that you could game at 8k on a 3090

189:02 um 3000 series pretty sick. I don't know man

189:06 Chad if you guys if you like I'm I'm they're still just talking about like president richard tater over here

189:12 Maybe I'm uh conflating the price jumps around that time. Well, right, but that was msrp stuff

189:17 That was partially NVIDIA's You know participation, but also all I know is that I was frustrated with every one of them at launch. It was

189:27 Pretty great. Okay. Cool. All right fair enough. So so dls s 4.5. So dls s 4.5

189:33 So when we're doing the pre-brief they're walking us through it and they're basically like yeah, so

189:37 We think this is as big a leap forward as dls s 4.0 was in terms of image quality compared to what came before

189:45 And um, it's trained on like five times

189:49 The the data it's or five times the compute or something. We know whatever metric they're using

189:55 And it is like in many cases closer to ground truth than what we call native rendering these days, which

190:04 Is actually not compared to the like many many many many many samples that they're taking for their for their

190:13 Reference images that they're using for comparison to to benchmark the the image quality of their model

190:20 and Like our first question was

190:23 Okay, if I'm to believe any of this that you're saying

190:27 Then why did you not call it dls s 5? Yeah with the second gen transformer model and they basically went well

190:33 It's a second generation of the transformer model. We're not actually adding anything new

190:39 We have more multi-frame gen, but it's just more multi-frame gen

190:44 So that's actually quite logical. We arbitrarily picked 4.5. Sure

190:49 um And that kind of got me going. Okay. Well, then there's no way that it's going to be as big of an improvement as they claim

190:56 That it is because there's no way that NVIDIA would have missed an opportunity to market something as

191:03 The best thing ever you need more green in your life

191:07 Like there's no way So I get into the booth and i'm like shooting my intro and i'm kind of you know dunking on ai a little bit

191:15 We have stupid ai cartoon jensen holding a bubble wand and like

191:19 We're kind of we're you know, we're kind of teasing them a little bit and then I I get in front of the system and i'm like, holy s***

191:27 um Like this looks really good and I saw I saw a fair bit of criticism on the video that I didn't move the character and

191:36 Blacksmith bukong That was only

191:39 Because they had the character in like exactly the same spot on both systems and I told them I wouldn't but I I could pan the camera

191:45 Like I could move the scene And then the other one where they they didn't just not want me to mess up their demo

191:51 I was allowed to do whatever I wanted with it, but that wasn't NVIDIA hiding anything

191:56 um What's up? Sorry the top comment on this video

192:00 um The the this NVIDIA video that you did the top comment how long before fake frames become real frames and video has to make fake

192:07 Fake frames out of fake frames. Yeah

192:11 That just I don't know just reading that and then can't wait for 50 90 performance on a 60 50 both of those just got me

192:18 Giggling they hit pretty hard. Yeah. Yeah, um

192:22 Anyway, I got in front of it and I'm switching between the two models

192:26 So NVIDIA had set up for their demo so that you could switch between old dlss and new dlss

192:30 You could just have a hotkey to toggle the models. It's like

192:36 Wow The boiling is

192:39 so reduced The general sharpness and clarity is

192:45 So much better and when they told me in the pre briefing that it was going to help with HDR

192:49 I was like, what are you even talking about? That doesn't even make any sense to me

192:53 But then once I saw it in action. I was like

192:57 Oh Okay, so

193:02 It doesn't it doesn't make your monitor brighter

193:06 Obviously, but it does a better job of detecting glowing objects

193:11 And particle effects and things in motion that are supposed to be bright. So yeah, it doesn't make your monitor brighter

193:17 But it does make the HDR effect more impactful. Sure. It is a

193:23 market difference in image quality to the point where

193:27 I was looking at it going

193:30 For the first time I would just turn this on

193:34 No-brainer in any game that it looks this good in

193:38 and Like multi-frame gen obviously latency is still going to be a thing, right?

193:44 But NVIDIA actually to again to their credit mindblown

193:49 Had their demo set up um for uh, shoot. What's that? What's that game called the?

193:56 Like the space exploration That the sequel

194:01 Help me. What game what game was that? space exploration sequel. Yeah, oh outer worlds too. Thank you. Uh

194:08 So on outer worlds too their frame gen demo

194:11 Was running on I think it was like 50 60 ti's or something like that

194:16 Like they they they didn't just show the top in the top end card. They weren't showing

194:23 Here's a card that doesn't even need 6x frame gen

194:27 Jenning 6x frames and getting 700 FPS or whatever that they could have done that demo

194:31 But they chose instead to do outer worlds too, which was using up to 6x frame gen

194:37 And delivering yes high latency because it's generating more frames and it's actually rendering

194:43 But a very smooth animation experience and it's important to understand what the point of the demo was

194:49 The point of the demo wasn't this is how I would play this game. I wouldn't I would turn down the details

194:54 Even the invidia people and you know, I trash on their communication sometimes

194:58 But even the invidia people very openly admit Yeah, they wouldn't always even run it on at all and when they do they would run it at various settings

195:05 And this is why they offer you those things. I do respect that So the point of that demo wasn't this is how I would run this game with 50 plus milliseconds of latency

195:13 The point of that demo was how good do these generated frames look?

195:17 And they look Shockingly good for how many of them are

195:22 fake frames are generated frames um

195:26 I am Dark guy too says pretty sure jensen and other top people just don't care about gaming anymore and leave it to the lower teams

195:35 I don't know everything I've heard about jensen is he's like sort of a mark side of a micro manager with everything

195:39 And like very involved, but I don't know I don't know how true that remains He's been doing a lot of more like pr like like being a face of the company stuff lately

195:47 Interviews and things like that. So I don't know. I've met the guy, but I don't like know him so

195:52 Hard for me to speculate on that anyway, um

195:58 Yeah, dlss 4.5 the new model

196:02 And and you can try it for yourself. You don't have to take my word for it. You can just you can just go

196:06 And uh, if you go in the g-force app if you have an invidia card, um fairly recent gen

196:11 The older cards have a bigger performance hit on it from my understanding

196:14 But you go into the invidia app and then you have to find the option to opt into beta and experimental features

196:20 And then you just wait as far as I can tell they might have a check for updates now button

196:24 I couldn't find it when I was trying to set this up at a booth and I was in a hurry

196:27 But I couldn't immediately find it But I just waited a while and eventually it prompted me to restart the invidia app

196:34 Just make sure you got the latest drivers and then you select model l or model m

196:38 Depending on your use case and you can go find information on which one is best

196:42 I just I turned it on Uh in the MSI booth in borderlands 4 and it was just like

196:47 Wow, this is really good in this too. So I've seen it in outer worlds too

196:51 I've seen it in black nifu kong and I've seen it in borderlands 2

196:54 And it just looks really really good

196:59 I um for the first time I'm like, okay. Well, this is just the future then

197:05 It's it's interesting to me because like

197:08 You know, I don't I don't love the

197:11 I can understand it, but I don't necessarily love the like odd developers just suck and need to do better argument

197:16 Such uh, that is such a just lazy

197:21 But broad strokes. Yes But nonsense argument you look at arc Raiders and embark and you look at 1080s running that game

197:29 North of 60 FPS. Yep, and it's like, yeah, man

197:33 Well, it comes down to what you're trying to do Some games are about lighting and ambiance and some games are about making sure that looks great

197:44 There's different ways to make a game look great and it's not the best looking game. Yeah, so like okay. Yeah

197:51 And it's just it's just it's we're in an interesting it's such an interesting crossroads

197:57 Uh Because on the competitive side, you don't want that input latency. No, I wouldn't I wouldn't use any of this stuff for a competitive title

198:04 But then it is super interesting actually upscaling maybe

198:09 That's a longer conversation, but frame gen absolutely not and there's always been different settings depending on if the game is competitive

198:15 Or single player or whatever. Yeah, but this is like a very deep divergence

198:20 In like how your computer is going to feel

198:24 Depending on how you set things up in my opinion

198:27 well, I mean again that's uh that's where g-force app comes in

198:32 Where it's supposed you just click a button and it gives you the optimal settings. There was a crazy thread. Yeah, where

198:38 Uh, a buddy and I were playing a game and he was having some performance issues

198:42 And we were trying to figure out what the heck was going on because it was like it was weird

198:45 He had like 25 gp utilization and was getting 40 FPS. Okay, just odd. Uh, oh boy. Here we go

198:56 Google it brought him to a reddit thread the top voted comment was

199:00 Click optimize in the NVIDIA app

199:04 top voted comment not not Like everybody's just like yeah, uh, do that not not a debate really

199:11 just no the optimize no like You know conversation or anything just like what it could be what it couldn't be what you might prefer

199:20 Versus what you might not prefer. Nope. Just click the optimize button and did it work? Yeah

199:25 Yeah

199:29 Cool crazy Jerome are in Floatplane chat goes uh dlss will become like the lossless slash compressed debate in audiophile

199:37 I've seen it might have been drome or the previous time too. I saw this earlier in Floatplane chat and honestly

199:43 If we're looking years in the future, I could maybe see that especially if they figure out the the latency thing

199:48 I'm talking like well, that'll be that's tough theoretically reflex too is the solution

199:53 We'll solve it or reduce the projection. Yeah

199:56 Solve it like be better than native like, uh, it's already used in vr

200:02 um and

200:05 They've they're clearly

200:08 Working at it. Uh, if you want to if you want to familiarize yourself with the with the uh with the idea behind it

200:14 Here we did we actually did a video on this a number of years ago now. I think

200:20 Linus reprojection thought of this here. Hold on

200:23 It's called i'm embarrassed. I didn't think of this asynchronous reprojection

200:28 It's super cool tech and um the original source is actually

200:34 What was uh, what was but yeah, yeah, here we go. So there's comrad stingers original video and download links

200:39 So you can like play around with it and then two clicks philip did a video about async reprojection as well

200:46 um Oh, hello. Hold on a second youtube

200:50 No, that's interesting um

200:54 My browser tab just like stopped working. Anyway, the point is

200:58 What it does is it couldn't you still be shooting at a phantom?

201:02 you could but

201:06 There's already latency between you and your opponent

201:09 Anyway, we just compensate for it in the same way

201:13 We compensate as much as we can so what what async reprojection does is it decouples your inputs

201:22 From the game's frame rate. So it moves opponents and other objects based on the updated data

201:32 But your interaction with the engine is completely decoupled

201:37 and Bothery smooth

201:42 So theoretically there should be no downside as long as

201:48 Wait for it as long as you're still running at like a reasonable

201:51 Frame rate, but it will feel So much betterer. That sounds like it's great for input lag

201:57 But I still feel like you might have issues with the whole shooting at phantom's thing

202:02 I don't know if this solves competitive gameplay It might be a misunderstanding something or just not very familiar. No, there will still be there will still be disadvantages to having a low

202:12 Hold on. I'm actually just trying to think no no hold on a second because

202:18 Like if you're trying to snipe like a like a pin-sized head on a on a hill away far away from you

202:24 Yeah, they could move enough that it could be a problem But if you're in like a like a close-quarter shotgun fight or something

202:30 Um, I yeah, I kind of doubt it. I think you I think you could be not shooting at phantom's

202:35 There will I think there will always ask a risk

202:39 Like functionally always be purists and very very high performance like esports athletes who will just simply

202:48 Need a 90 90 ti titan or whatever the thing that I'm trying to ask isn't even necessarily for myself

202:55 Like is this gonna make a difference for me? Realistically? No, but like is is shroud gonna turn this on

203:00 is Probably insert other name. I don't know whatever but like

203:05 Yeah, so here here we go. Okay. I've got my yeah. I've got my stuff fixed

203:09 So with just a few clicks

203:13 asynchronous free projection demo takes 30 FPS

203:17 And makes it feel like 240 FPS and it's kind of hard to tell

203:23 um but

203:26 We have often done a pretty bad job

203:30 There we go. So this is what's happening. It's taking each one frame that you get and it is decoupling

203:37 Your inputs from those updates. No, I yeah, I get that

203:41 So in so at 30 FPS, it's um, what is that 33 milliseconds?

203:47 At 60 FPS that's 16 milliseconds. That is freaking not a lot of time

203:52 So if you're running the game at some like reasonable

203:56 refresh rate 16 or let's say you can get a hundred FPS. So now we're talking about more like like 10 milliseconds or whatever

204:04 um Would you rather have your inputs at a thousand hertz?

204:10 On a like a thousand hertz monitor Even knowing that, you know, the objects could be a hundred milliseconds out of date or whatever, but probably not

204:19 If you tried it Pretty much everyone we put in front of it was like holy crap. This is amazing. I would love this so much more

204:26 um Yeah, my problem my problem with the thing that I'm describing is you wouldn't really be able to tell super easily without like

204:33 Analyzing individual like in a first person shooter game or something where if you're fighting with like blades

204:40 And it's it's physics based or whatever you wouldn't be able to tell without analyzing

204:43 But there's already so much slop in any kind of multiplayer game because of network latency anyway

204:49 That I just it's tough to I just don't see this being the main issue for me. Does this really?

204:55 Yeah, it's probably fine. Whatever. I Didn't have a desktop for a long time. I have a desktop again

205:00 I was quickly reminded that I am now older and slower than I used to be

205:04 It is what it is Also rusty, but yeah, also the other thing. Yeah

205:12 And you know like I I do okay, but like it's not

205:15 I'm not I'm not a competitive gamer and I I have long accepted this and that's fine

205:21 me too Even more than him not that it's a competition, but I have

205:26 Hardcore accepted being non competitive more than he has. Yeah, I still try. Yeah

205:32 There's no point for me But um

205:37 Yeah, I I'm wondering about like the super optimized

205:41 Situation for someone who is genuinely in that level of competition trying to do that thing. Yeah is this viable

205:49 That's that's the part where I'm wondering. I don't know. I don't think we're gonna know until we actually get reflex too

205:54 Or three or five or who you know who knows right because clearly this was working well enough

206:00 That someone was able to put together a very compelling very exciting demo years ago

206:05 It's already working in vr games

206:08 and used very actively and NVIDIA it has been cooking on this for

206:14 Presumably this whole time

206:17 And they're not they don't think it's ready yet So yeah, yeah

206:22 It'll just you know, we'll have to we'll have to try it Because because my the reason for bringing this up is the whole lossless versus compressed audio thing. Yeah is like

206:34 Effectively universally used

206:38 In my opinion except for

206:43 I wonder what dms would say

206:46 I wonder if he Uses lossless or not. I'm actually not sure

206:51 Um, he does use losses. Okay. I'm not convinced that he actually thinks it matters though

206:59 I think it's one of those I can so

207:02 If your equipment's good enough you can hear it, but there's diminishing returns

207:08 Okay, can hear it compared to what though compared to like

207:13 You know not high quality. Yeah compared to streaming or like compared to a cd

207:18 Um, well cd is pretty much indistinguishable right redbrook's redbrook's pretty damn high. Well, so that's compared to an mp3

207:26 Sure, definitely. That's what i'm that's what i'm that's what i'm that's what i'm talking about here

207:30 It's like when we say can you hear the difference from lossless?

207:35 I think what luke was getting at lossless compared to

207:38 Any kind of lossy compression recently high quality and I I am

207:42 Personally not convinced and I don't want to put words in dms's mouth

207:45 But I've been pretty sure we've talked about it and high quality compressed audio is pretty darn good. Absolutely

207:53 He was talking about the oh Yeah

207:56 Does it make sense to mention video ideas that might be like pretty far out?

208:00 Yeah, yeah, all right. I won't cool

208:04 Sounds good, um, was there anything else in the NVIDIA ces keynote. I don't actually think we talked about it at all

208:10 Yeah, there's other stuff who cares. Okay, sounds good. Goodbye

208:14 This is cool prusa pro afs. It was actually the battle bots guys that

208:20 brought this to my attention it's

208:24 Like just ready to go print farm

208:27 that just automatically Oh loads and unloads your plates and just

208:32 Does print farm things cool, right? That's pretty sweet. Yeah

208:38 Wow, cool, right? I think they just announced this

208:41 That's it crazy neat, right? Yeah

208:46 Uh screwdriver video. What's this? Absolutely mad lads. I don't know

208:50 It says check out this cool LTT screwdriver video courtesy Jake, uh

208:55 Redditor Bradley Doyle modeled textured and animated our screwdrivers in blender to make this cool product video

209:01 Oh, I did see this. Yeah I have not seen this. It's pretty sweet

209:06 Oh, that's cool Whoa, it even like looks like it's made of zinc. Okay, that's pretty cool

209:17 Wow

209:20 Dude, I've seen this already and it's so cool. Good lord. It's so what you did all the different colors

209:30 Wow, what wow, okay

209:34 That's pretty cool Oh, hold on. I accidentally went away when it was still saying what Bradley does. Hold on. Hold on. There were two things 3d generalists and motion designer

209:44 Motion designer. Yeah So sick Bradley Doyle dot ca genuinely fantastic Canadian bro to you. Oh, yeah, you'll love to see it sick

209:55 He has five subscribers on youtube No, that will probably go up. Yeah change that

210:01 Uh, okay, what is that it for topics? Oh, okay. Hey

210:08 Bose has open sourced the sound touch API

210:11 After previously announcing the end of cloud support for sound touch

210:14 Bose is taking steps to ensure that their owners aren't left as a well

210:18 Our discussion question is do you think bose is getting it right? Should they be doing more?

210:21 Obviously in our perfect world when you sell something that has a function. It just has the function forever. This is

210:28 the acceptable Compromise that we have laid out. So it would be pretty hypocritical for us to

210:34 Um now say that bose needs to do more and do better

210:39 This is um, obviously not ideal, but it is better than nothing. So I'm going to take the small l

210:45 Yeah, I think without diving into this way too much This seems like to a tee what we've asked companies to do if they're going to shut something down

210:52 Which again ideally you don't shut it down but

210:56 We also are realists and recognize it's gonna happen that you can't just keep everything going forever

211:03 So I think that's really awesome

211:07 Makes me think more positively of bose mark straight up mark dick

211:11 tex 69 asks if we've talked about the clicks communicator

211:16 People in the community are hyped af

211:20 Um, no I

211:25 Uh Yeah, I could I could try it. I guess I mean I I I did recently

211:33 Try a phone with a with a keyboard again

211:37 And what I discovered is that wow, I um use a lot of special characters these days and that's

211:43 That's good. I like it auto complete is

211:48 Really good and screens are actually legitimately faster than I ever was with a full keyboard

211:55 Uh, I definitely have more to learn about this one. There's things about it that look

212:00 Better than previous keyboard phone modern attempts at uh bringing back the past

212:07 I heard I heard rumor that like, uh, one of the original blackberry designers is on the team. Okay. I don't know

212:15 Well, that worked out great for blackberry. Well, I did originally. Yeah, right. I don't know man. I um

212:23 I would love for this to be like the logitech gcloud

212:27 Where I go on wanshow and I go yeah, yeah, I don't know seems dumb

212:31 And then I use it and it totally changes my opinion. Sure

212:36 I'd love for that to happen Probably not but I bet I'd love for it to happen. It would be cool. That's gonna be my attitude

212:42 I would love for it. I would love I'd love for that to happen

212:51 More topics more but like I'm the kind of guy

212:54 Who wants like even more screen?

212:58 Not even less screen which might make that tough

213:01 I don't I think one of the reasons why I said I don't think it's gonna happen isn't because I'm like

213:05 Oh, the clicks is doomed or whatever. I think it's not for you. Yeah. I'm just not the guy. Yeah

213:11 Is should this be hosted by someone else?

213:14 Um, no, I think I can be fair to it. I don't think there's anyone here who would want to keyboard on the phone quite frankly

213:23 Like it seems like uh

213:26 Is there more going on

213:30 With what Like are they are they doing something more they said a phone for people who want to like

213:36 Do stuff not doom scroll and then their thing says tools for taking action not distraction or whatever

213:41 Are they doing more than just put keyboard on phone? I'm pretty sure it's just the keyboard. Hmm. Yeah

213:48 All right, I think it's time for after dark mr. Dan. Yeah

213:55 Hit me Sure thing. Yeah, we got a few here today. Oh, it comes out of the the things like a case

214:01 It can just be a normal phone I just watched a little mini video. Oh neat. There's just a usbc plug in the thing that gives you the keyboard

214:11 Oh, watch this replay

214:15 Oh, that's their cases though. Click. That's a different product. Oh

214:19 The clicks communicator is a phone

214:23 Clicks communicator in part. Okay, so I didn't click on that. I just scrolled down and then it's no longer that. All right

214:30 Sure That was a little bit confusing my bad. Cool. Good chat. Okay

214:40 Hello LTT Linus How is fft is Alice going? I

214:47 am on the second last fight and it's a giant load of bullshit and um

214:53 At this point, I would either have to

214:57 undo the last few also bullshit, but I made it through them fights and

215:02 grind a bunch of stuff and get some equipment that I need to bring with me specifically to make this fight winnable

215:08 Because I need to be able to absorb some stupid element. Otherwise. I will just

215:13 immediately be one hit every time any of them hit me

215:16 um, or grind a bunch of levels

215:20 Or I need to go back out of this dungeon

215:23 so undo those three fights and then admit defeat and go off of

215:28 tactician difficulty and go back to the standard difficulty in which case these last fights will just be a breeze because

215:34 I've been playing at tactician difficulty. So I'm I'd be like ludicrously overpowered to play against normal opponents

215:41 In which case I don't even really care about finishing it either of those two ways enough

215:46 So I'm on like the second last fight and I gave up But I beat the game already so I don't really care and I got almost to the end at tactician

215:52 and the only reason that I can't get through it is because I Like I got like two of my shields broken in the previous fight. So I like didn't bring enough

216:00 I think it's yeah ice shields I didn't bring enough ice shields with me and a couple of them got like broken by stupid knights

216:07 So I like don't have enough to keep my opponent to keep my team from getting just

216:13 sniped across the map by that bullshit guy in the second last fight that just has an ice gun that just

216:18 F***ing destroys you and then I didn't grind Uh break weapon on mustadio and just like cheese it like that. So it's just I don't know man

216:28 I don't know man. It's one of those things where I know that tactician is for experienced players of the game

216:34 But when the only way to beat a fight is to have like

216:37 Done a very specific build or like have a very specific item that you've got equipped

216:43 That's not super fun for me. I like being able to build a somewhat rounded party

216:48 And I'm I'm over it Got a question here from godi is wi-fi drunk

216:54 What happened to wi-fi 70? I mean wi-fi has been wi-fi has been drunk for a while. I mean remember 802.11 b

217:03 and then 802.11 We went all the way to g

217:07 and then 802.11

217:10 What was the next one was it ac was that the next one?

217:13 And then yes, and then we went to wi-fi

217:17 6 I think hold on did they drop the letters after ac?

217:21 Oh, yeah, and I forgot about and no no was n a x is when they were calling them like both g then n then ac then a x

217:29 Then we retconned all of that and called it all

217:33 wi-fi to wi-fi 5 and then came wi-fi 6 then 6 e and now 7

217:38 And then yeah magic Yeah, no you liked it

217:43 Yeah, there you go 11 11 b 11 a 11 g 11

217:46 n 11 a c 11 a x 11 b e 11 b n no one really used 802.11 though

217:53 And then a and b existed at like kind of the same. Yeah, there you go kind of the same time

217:59 a I think was 5 gigahertz rather than 2.4 if I recall correctly, but literally quite literally nothing consumer facing used it

218:07 um That was pretty cool

218:11 Am I remembering that correctly? Oh, yeah, there's a table right there to the right. Yeah. Yeah a was 5 gigahertz. Yeah. Yeah, there you go

218:20 cool good chat

218:23 Hi dld on your comment about hard drives

218:26 IBM is trying to strategically position tape

218:29 IBM diamond back for long-term storage due to data center boom. Do you think the bubble will pop on them?

218:37 I know tape's been around. I don't think tape is ever gonna die. Yeah, it's it's it has not

218:42 That's all going to tape. It has not left tape has been around

218:46 It hasn't been around at the consumer level really um

218:50 Although there's been a couple attempts it it's

218:55 Yeah, the problem is the drives are so freaking expensive

218:59 But if I remember correctly the tapes are pretty cheap, right? Yeah. Yeah the drives are just

219:04 Out of reach of consumers realistically. That's good timing

219:10 What you said the that they were out of reach of consumers

219:15 Yeah, but the but the tapes are fine and like genuinely a lot of big enterprises been using them for the whole time

219:22 They're very reliable. They're slow af

219:26 But for long-term archival storage until we get like dna storage or like storing data and

219:33 Crystals crystals or something. This is um, this is pretty awesome

219:38 Aren't some of the sizes that you can get like obscene like 512 terabytes and like they're massive like crazy

219:44 Yeah, it's it's honestly my favorite part about tape is like the robots

219:49 Like the tunnels and the tape grabbing robots and the it's just so neat

219:53 Oh, this was cool. Um, I dropped by for our systems. We didn't end up making a video

219:58 But their new cold plate looks amazing. I was kind of I was kind of skeptical because I was like, okay

220:04 I mean we've pretty much gotten to the point where Um, you you've made copper fins as small as they can get, you know, how much better does it get?

220:13 It turns out. Oh, this is not a great This is not a great shot

220:17 Oh, shut up. They don't have the they don't have the geometry on their site

220:22 Come on you guys Okay, well, whatever it turns out that if you use deposition manufacturing like they do with their air jets

220:31 um You can create shapes

220:37 Through very similar to how you would manufacture like like silicon like semiconductor products

220:42 You can deposit much more complex

220:46 Geometries that dramatically improve the heat exchange and you can do it really cheaply

220:51 Which is probably the coolest part about it. They weren't quoting pricing publicly

220:55 But someone slipped up and told me a number which I won't disclose because I said I wouldn't

221:00 But it seems like Basically, my next question was oh interesting. Can we have consumer ones?

221:06 And they were like we haven't considered that and I was like, okay

221:10 Can we have consumer ones? And then they didn't commit anything

221:15 So that was neat for our systems. There you go I'm going here for luke

221:19 Hey, lld question for luke. What's been your overall experience with ovh as a hosting platform? Hello from the ovh dc team

221:30 Which is why I wanted to make sure I read the whole thing I mean with with anyone that you will have had a

221:37 A you know business relationship for this long. There's been bumps, but I think it's been really good realistically

221:43 Like the the bumps that we've had They have cared about them and sought resolution fairly quickly and this includes when we've had account handlers that like

221:53 Did not know or care whatsoever about all of this

221:57 they're just their ovh people dealing with an ovh customer that has a problem and

222:03 They cared and dealt with it and like some people have pointed out certain things that are kind of a little bit bumpy

222:10 about the ovh experience and it's like yeah, they're also

222:14 Show me the price competitor bruh I'll show you the similar bumpy experience like it's fine, dude. I've been pretty happy with how things have generally gone

222:23 I don't have bad things to say. There's a reason why I've been working with ovh for

222:28 a very long time

222:31 And I know there was certain stuff that we like relied on very heavily in the early days

222:38 um Like the DDoS protection back in the day was like a pretty big deal and the ovh to ovh

222:45 Super high speed links that were like practically free if I recall correctly. Yeah pretty big deal. Yeah

222:54 Yeah, we've been we've been quite happy. I don't have bad things to say. I mean, okay

222:59 I could drum some stuff up, but like if I'm being realistic, I'm I'm I'm quite happy

223:04 um, and I'm sure that if If this question was asked in reverse, I'm sure there's things they could drum up as well because we uh, we definitely

223:13 Messaged them a lot about things

223:17 But yeah, they're cool come say hi in our french office. I have technically twice

223:24 Both times were great both times were not for for for full plane, which is the majority of the usage that we have of ovh

223:31 um Yeah, which was kind of funny because both times I went

223:38 I had to tell them like by the way we actually use your stuff and they were like, huh?

223:46 Which is like, yeah, okay Maybe we should uh work on informing them about that. I don't know. Maybe we shouldn't who knows

223:54 Hey Hey, LTT. I am doing a degree in special education and looking into working at a

224:02 non-profit for people with disabilities. I was wondering which teacher or professor inspires you

224:09 Hmm got a couple answers for this one My uh, my parents were my my mom and my stepdad were both teachers and my aunt on my

224:17 Biological father's side was also a teacher. So I had a lot of teachers in my life growing up. Um

224:23 And I always thought that it was a very honorable thing to do. I always thought it was really cool

224:29 Uh, I wanted to be a teacher until I couldn't get a degree. You need a degree to be a teacher at least here anyway

224:35 um But I'd say like the teachers that I had in school that were very inspiring. I mean madame bodasso

224:44 Made me care about french Al horn

224:48 outstanding english teacher who Made me able to write and do my job that I do today

224:54 um

224:58 Yeah, I have three primary ones mr. Trattle who's I know he's still in the in the school system

225:04 I think he's a A principal now, um

225:08 He showed me that like With effort you can accomplish a lot and he enabled me to push really hard

225:15 Like he noticed really early on That I was you know, I'd be done the class assignment

225:21 Four minutes or whatever and you're supposed to sit there for the class duration and he'd give me the next one

225:27 And then I'd finish a bunch of them in a day So he'd give me the next years and be like just sit in the corner and do all these by yourself basically

225:34 I'm not going to teach you how to do them. Here's the information. I have to teach the normal class

225:38 but you can just go and I did that and

225:42 Finished all of the grades of computers in like the first year or two that I was in high school

225:47 A lot of teachers wouldn't do that like that was

225:50 He's going above and beyond and he kept going above and beyond a bunch of times. I remember one year

225:54 He took this I probably told this on my show before but he took a summer class at bcit on 3d game programming

226:01 And then distilled it down and created a new course at our high school just called 3d game programming

226:06 Just for our year because our like a bunch of my friends and and our group of people in my grade

226:12 We're all really interested in this and I don't even think he kept it going

226:17 For future grades because none of the other kids had a lot of interest

226:20 But I think we had two terms of it or something I don't remember all the details, but like that was so unnecessary and so

226:28 Incredibly amazing and inspiring at the same time. I remember again a bunch of us had interest in hardware

226:34 So he did this whole thing I've definitely told him when show before where he got us a bunch of hardware that we could zombify together

226:38 Which was amazing. He was awesome Mr. Mr. Thompson

226:43 I Would get really bad grades in English every single year. Yeah, because I would just get torched for

226:51 You know issues and He put a cap on that and then tried to cultivate the like

226:57 You know, you seem to like care about stuff and have ideas and whatnot. So let's focus on that for now

227:03 Uh and and grow your writing and then out of his course. I went from like bottom of the barrel grades

227:08 To doing really well and getting into AP English 12 and then being fairly successful in AP English 12

227:14 Because it inspired me to try harder, which was great. And then mr. first

227:19 Again, just very inspiring about caring about things and pushing hard

227:23 Regardless and he was my physics teacher. It's great. Those three were like huge inspirations for me

227:28 I'm going to shout out mr. Russell too for teaching me that not all teachers are going to give a s*** about you

227:33 It wasn't that he didn't care. It was that he

227:36 projected How it's going to be Yeah, mr. First showed that like, you know, it it matters if things are like hard, but you still have to do them

227:45 That was like a very important Lesson from him of like here. Look, I'll help you but at the end of the day

227:52 Uh, you're going to be out there on your own and you're going to need to just be able to do it. So like

227:57 I let's figure this out together. I just found out that my AP English teacher

228:01 um Published between nine and six months ago a series of five talks at the merit bc library

228:08 um On the history of

228:13 life on earth What?

228:16 Um, and I pretty much guarantee you Even though this only has as few as one view per video

228:24 That it is going to be um very entertaining and

228:29 very educational That's awesome. So there you go. That's actually really cool

228:39 Hello Dot dll. I'm having all of my teeth

228:45 Including wisdom teeth removed on wednesday. Holy crap. Really? Is that a thing?

228:51 Sometimes all of my teeth Sometimes that can happen. Oh, wow. Okay. Linus when you had your wisdom teeth removed

228:58 How long did it take for you to not be in pain?

229:02 I think not in okay. Well, it depends for the top ones. It was pretty quick for the bottom ones

229:08 man, I don't remember I I I had those out like I don't seven eight years ago. Um

229:15 I remember it taking a while and it really depends. I mean it'd be better to talk to I imagine

229:20 Is it like a oral surgeon that would do it at that point if you're getting everything out?

229:24 I wonder what what I wonder, um

229:28 I mean, I don't want to ask personal questions. Yeah, but that that I mean sometimes you do it

229:32 For dental implants and stuff like that too. Oh, okay. It's very big in the hollywood

229:38 Community. Oh crystal. Oh, we get new uh, what?

229:49 Huh. Hmm. Oh might be. Oh, it is. Yeah. Yeah. Why?

229:54 Uh Or don't tell us we don't yeah, no, no, no, no, no

229:59 You don't have to tell us why but um, yeah, it goes. All right. Yeah, I hope I hope that goes. All right. Yeah, okay next

230:08 Uh DLL should games cater to whales or masses?

230:12 For example here ea fc 2026

230:18 Wow Are you gonna let them finish or nope? Yeah, sorry go for it

230:23 They've been altering between reducing the meta based on feedback

230:27 Annoying the pros and increasing it annoying the casuals can following feedback be bad

230:34 Yeah, I mean, I guess that's well luke was way ahead of you

230:39 I think that for a game like

230:43 I think for a company like ea with a mass market product like a soccer game

230:49 um Yes, yes, yes, yes, luke

230:54 Yes, yes, yes, yes um

230:58 Yeah, it's it's tough because you are you're trying to appeal to everyone all at once and that's

231:06 That's tough and if you don't you know, if your game doesn't do 100 million 200 million a billion dollars in sales or whatever then

231:14 For for some reason, even though you were profitable your entire team might get laid off. Um

231:20 You kind of you have to take feedback, but then you also have to

231:24 At some point grow a spine and make a game that has some kind of artistic intent to it

231:32 um or not And just deal with that

231:35 There's always going to be someone who's mad at you because just like running a youtube channel that

231:40 Is watched by millions of people if even 1 of people don't like the direction that you're taking it

231:45 That's going to be like from a million, right? That's 10 000 people that are going to be mad about whatever it is that you did and when you upload every day

231:54 Or when you publish a patch every week or whatever it is

231:57 That that part of that audience or that player base that that is mad is going to is going to shift around and you're just going to

232:04 Feel like well, i'm listening to you guys and now you're telling me I didn't do the right thing and it's just uh

232:11 It's it's a lose lose. It's a lose lose place to be

232:14 Yeah, when I first heard the question it was like, do you think it's better for

232:18 Slop to be generated in flavor a or flavor b

232:21 That's that's basically just how I interpreted that I think sometimes when you receive feedback

232:26 You got to analyze what the like root of that feedback is and sometimes with

232:30 Linus's example when you have this like public thing that lots of people interact with

232:34 Some of the feedback that you're going to receive when super negative

232:39 You might read it and just be like, yeah, okay working as intended

232:43 To be completely honest Maybe the thing that you made just wasn't for that person

232:48 And if they're like, I hate that it does this and you're like, well it doing that is the point

232:53 Then that's okay That's all right

232:57 If you make a horror game and somebody's like, I hate this game zero out of 10. It was scary

233:03 it's like

233:06 Cool nice Maybe that person will ask for a refund and they'll get it and that's all right

233:13 But that was also sort of the point so

233:16 No problem

233:20 Up next Hello LLD usb cable testers range from $15 to over 100 to over 10,000, but yes carry on. Yeah, I mean accurate

233:33 Um, and I have no idea if any of them are any good any advice treedix versus caber q u

233:40 Possible video topic after your new usb cables launch

233:44 I don't know that we would get into that to be honest with you. Um for the like

233:49 12 people that it would affect I looked very briefly at treedix and it seems like it's sort of

233:55 fairly basic

233:58 And or kind of very diy like in terms of the information that they're providing like they're not looking at

234:04 The shape of the eye, you know, they're just kind of like yes. No. No. Yes. No. Yes. No

234:11 What I suspect is that for very basic testing does this cable work

234:17 It might tell you it would it would almost certainly be able to tell you no it's broken

234:22 But I don't know that it's yes would be particularly meaningful to me

234:25 It might be amazing, but I I have no experience with it and I don't know that I have the

234:30 interest in going to a level of

234:34 depth um, that would be required to find out if it's any good when we'd rather just use

234:41 professional level tools and

234:44 And make sure that our cables are good with those and focus on that for now

234:49 Speaking of cables, by the way, now is a great time. Thanks, no key to head over to lttstore.com and sign up for a notification

234:55 For when our true spec cables are going to be launched

235:00 Purpose built lengths. So we want you to get the right length cable for you

235:03 So we'll have more than just the sort of main sizes

235:07 clearly labeled speeds and feeds just like that

235:11 And they won't come off because they are embossed

235:15 And UV resistant silicone style cables, which are nice and flexible and uh feel just not style, right? It's just satisfying. Yes. Yeah, they are

235:30 Hit me Dan

235:33 Uh, last one I've got for you. Hey LLD had the two packages swapped

235:38 And it did not appear like an innocent mistake for both

235:42 Got any fun stories about stolen or swapped packages at LMG or stories about suffering from retail fraud at ncix

235:51 Man, I don't uh, I wasn't really involved in that department

235:55 Like I'm sure if I could get in touch with like ruji or something

235:58 He would be able to tell me all kinds of fun stories

236:01 But uh, what I will say is that core sharers side of the story on some of the

236:07 Stuff that's been going on returns or whatever. Yeah is a little more nuanced than some of the public

236:14 Uh discourse about it I know, right? Uh, we're still waiting to get a little bit more information and whether or not the people there can even really talk to us

236:24 But um, you know

236:28 Hint spoiler um

236:31 Apparently in some of these cases Like it's pretty obvious based on the volume of orders that one individual is trying to place for

236:40 Items that have price errors that you know, they're not acting in good faith. They're just trying to

236:47 Um get a lot of stuff so that they can flip it for profit which

236:52 Uh You know, you're not really the victim anymore at that point. It's certainly not black and white

237:00 Uh, I don't really have I I've actually had really good luck in terms of my packages generally arriving when I order them

237:08 I've had I mean, I've had delays and stuff, but I've I don't think uh, there's only one time

237:13 I had a major issue with the package and I had to drive to like the shipping depot and get it from them at the depot

237:20 And it was because of some there was like a bunch of issues with the package and they wanted it to be like

237:26 Much more officially handed off to the point where I went to the depot for it and they like gave me a shipping refund

237:31 Or something. I don't remember what happened, but it was like very strange. I've definitely had some weird stuff

237:37 Like that that scorpion chair. They just like dropped it off. Oh, dude. Okay. Yeah, I've had one problem

237:43 I had a chair just left in the freaking lawn

237:46 It's stupid All right

237:50 Nice, Dan Please tell me you had your mic on no, but he said lawn chair. That's funny. You have to ding yourself

237:56 I won't tell the show until you do it yourself. Nice. And we'll see you again next week same bad time same bad channel

238:03 Bye

238:07 All right

238:15 Oh