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Linus Tech Tips
·Linus Tech Tips
·2025-12-20
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27,806 words · ~139 min read
WAN Show Topics
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Hello everybody, how's it going?
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Yeah, I've never heard of that.
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We'll have to catch up on that later.
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That was fantastic.
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Speaking of which, Metta has found a way to figure out how to keep the billions of dollars in revenue that they are m...
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Actually, I really shouldn't do that.
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It's like, dude, I haven't daily driven a Fold in years now.
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but one of the problems is that everyone's throwing everything under the same banner, and then it's kind of difficult...
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No sorry I don't.
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thank you luke that's very helpful once you see it you cannot see it anyways um
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i can i can feel the the cringe from here man i mean uh man i really enjoy this
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Hello everybody, how's it going? How are you? Merry holiday thing. I hope yours is going
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well. I'm reading up on this on this hilarious topic. Pre show. Come join us, Sammy.
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Oh, I mean, you may be able to do that too. I suspect he can flip that over. Maybe complicit
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in this crime. Yeah, no one knows me. It's only a hand. Oh, and I'm just gonna. You said
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your name like 15 times. It's all my legal names. That's true. That's why in all the
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credits of full playing, you'll never see the word Sammy on it. Do people get confused
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by that? Should I say it? Sorry. Yeah, sure. I just kind of came here so I can get a shot
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of Lance walking in. You could do that from his chair. Yeah, I know. Like you have been
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usurped. Yeah, I've been, yeah, it's Asian Linus. You know, you know, in that video,
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the national intro, Linus commented, you caught me at a very Korean time in my life. I was
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probably the funniest comment I've seen in my life. I know you think it says something
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about like Linus being more like, I don't like not white and then they're like, you
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caught me at a very Korean time in my life. That's funny. That's what Linus said. Yeah.
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Go on the go on the wancho. Go on the comments of the when you were faking. When was that
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October 31st? Okay. Wow, we were really, it was really on Halloween, wasn't it? Yeah.
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It was meant to be. I'm trying to believe hard not to swear. I swore in front of Linus's
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kid by accident. Linus looked at me with the widest eyes I've seen in my life. He does
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that. We're talking about volleyball and I got excited. You're that passionate about
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volleyball? I played like, I think three hours of volleyball and my legs are dying. I'm gonna
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have really bad knees when I'm like 60. Yeah, and that was enough to like swear in front
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of children. Yes. Usually I'm really got swearing because I used to be in like customer service
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for like a financial. So how far how far do things have to go before you just started
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swearing? Oh my God, my knees. I just get anxious. You know, I'm just an anxious guy. So then
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once people start talking to me, I get like, oh, unless I'm in like customer service mode.
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You know, do you have a customer service mode? Yeah, it activates on wancho only. For some
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reason, I can't turn it on in front of like Linus's kids. Yeah, because I have also sworn
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in front of Linus's kids. But wancho for some reason will just and I don't I don't like
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mentally shift at all. It just happens. I have like my like pitch off my like octave
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my speaking pitch goes up like four like, Hello, sir. How are you today? Oh, no. Yeah.
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No. Yeah. Mine's like no. And then I will always fake people's names. So I'm like, Hello,
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the good sir. You know, holy crap. It's my favorite comment. That's actually hilarious.
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This is tough. This is tough. That is wild, dude. That is so sick. I actually love that
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that's a thing. You met me at a very, oh man, Korean time in his life. He can really be funny
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sometimes. I have one ever 1000 jokes. He says one's really good. Yeah. Yeah. How are people?
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I saw something about Luke week. Oh, I know I lost it. Nevermind. How are people? Yeah,
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what do you guys think? Yeah, what do you think about the video? I asked I asked discord like
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when you guys want uploaded for before my an afterware. Wait, is it up? Yeah, it's up. You
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commented first. Yeah, but I commented first while I was unlisted. Oh, I come to the first
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like a long time ago, dude. Cheater, cheater, pumpkin eater.
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It got pinned. Oh, yeah, I pinned it. Sorry. I pinned it. Luke is six, seven. Yeah, he did. He
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did this thing. I was like, haha. Yeah, I didn't intention. No one in our audience, no one in the
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comments recognize it. Luke, we was fantastic, but we want to answer is when Sammy week, never.
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I never it will never happen because I don't want I hate editing myself.
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I don't like watching contents that I'm in. I'm like, I like your video game outlook by
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too lazy to name. Interesting. Yeah. Is there a full plane discord? Yes. I think if you
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okay, don't I'm not 100% right. I don't think but it's like if you link the discord and the
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connective full plane, I think I think I'm wrong to be honest. Java juice probably knows better.
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I like, I like what is it? I lurk there always. It's always interesting to see what people talk
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about in that chat. This is very interesting. I'm going to talk about a top comment right now,
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right now, right now. I'm going to talk about this breaking news, breaking news. Here my moo
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who arc Raiders could be such a top, top game, but it isn't what it could Jungle. It's not because
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it has PvE. It's not because it has PvP. It's because you lose your gear. If you're taken out by
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an unfriendly arc, or wait, it's not because you lose your gear. If you're taken out by an
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unfriendly arc or Raider, it's because the two predominant tactics used for PvE play are exclusively
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camping around extraction sites and picking off people as they try to extract or spamming the
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don't shoot emote at someone and then blasting that someone in the back as occasional tactics.
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These wouldn't be a negative issue, but they are so dominant that not only has it created a
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huge self-perpetuating atmosphere of distrust amongst Raiders, it also threatens to overshadow
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and nullify the PvE elements of the game. I wouldn't want to ban or prevent any currently
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permitted tactic from our graders, but I would like to see embark come up with some gameplay ideas
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that help the balance things a little more so that other elements can shine again,
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like they used to. Cynicism and endemic distrust isn't really a great recipe for
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properly long-term prosperity in a game. I think that's a hot take. Edit! I'm a big fan of
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many of Luke's takes on Wann and elsewhere, but his misty-eyed waxing about the common place
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occurrence of Raiders teaming up on Arc shows that when he says he hasn't really gamed much lately
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because of home renovations, he really means it. Well, low and bold, commenter! I have a computer
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again and have been an extreme degenerate over the last week and have played many games and
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almost all of them have been Arc Raiders, and I have not had your experience. In one game,
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one game that I did record and sent to Sammy, I had three different emerging experiences with
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four, at least three or four. One of them, somebody just said hi. Another one, somebody
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came up from behind me while I was fighting Arc and was like, by the way, I found a gun,
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do you want it? And then walked me over to the gun and gave it to me, no problem. And then
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a few people were just kind of like standing around, and then we fought one of those, I don't remember what they're called, leapers, I think, the big black four-legged spider robots. And then
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we fought that and then all looted it all friendly. And then after that, as I was extracting,
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some dude was like, oh here, by the way, here's a bunch of like really valuable loot. Have fun,
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I'm doing my expedition thing now, and then left all in one match. This stuff happens,
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it's a PvP game, but I think the risk of these things happening is where the magic happens. You
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need, I didn't, I script could have been a little bit longer. I was running out of time, but that's,
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I think it's actually like super important that that negativity is there. But anyways,
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it's a good comment though. Thank you for commenting. Why is there,
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I just want to say that comment, I think the longevity is good. Yeah, I think it's a good,
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it's a good mechanic for longevity. I agree. Actually, you need to get better. You need risk.
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There's a reason why it has PvP and people are going to be crappy in PvP, but that, that takes,
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it makes it so that there's this, there's this like rise and fall constantly. It makes it,
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there's risk, there's tension all the time. If once you got to an extractor is like whatever,
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I mean, I'm getting out, who cares? Then there's no, I appreciate that comment. Me too.
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Yeah. Civil comment. No, it's a great comment. I think it was really good. I'm not trying to
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dog on the comment. I just don't necessarily agree. Are we pre streaming right now? We are.
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I just need a minute. Sorry. You're good, brother. He wrote his passion. Yeah. Again,
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it's a good comment. I like discourse. It's a, I think it was very low. I just,
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I just, it's not my experience, but if it's yours, here's what it is.
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Nope. I'm good. Thank you very much. Hey, congrats. What? That's crazy, isn't it?
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Nice.
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Someone said like Luke confirmed reads comments. Yeah. Yeah, I do. I do.
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Yeah, I've never heard of that. So maybe send in a support ticket. I can't like people often
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tag me and like, Hey, this thing is working in a certain way like during when, which is probably
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the hardest time for me to possibly address any of that information. I don't know. Sorry.
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But if you send in support ticket, we will see it. It is, it is significantly more effective
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to send in a support ticket than to tell me stuff during when and it's very easy to send a
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support ticket. You don't have to, you know, we're not avoiding them like some companies.
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You can literally just email us. You don't have to go to the form or anything. You can just email
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support at flowman.com. Done. Solved. We're not, we're not trying to, you have to read,
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you have to dive through at least three FAQ pages before you send us an email.
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Like, no, we don't care. You can either just go to the form, fill it out there or send an email.
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All good.
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Should I, just like six donors, should I send in a support ticket or post on Reddit about it and
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then ask them if I should send in a support ticket?
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How are your workouts going? I can finally, for the first time in the last like three and a half
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months, say good. They started up again this week because my wrist functions again, which is great.
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All right, should we do this thing? Yeah. Cool.
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Yo, dyslexic donor. Good work. Keep it up. Assuming that's healthy.
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Is odd pieces a sponsor today? Okay.
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Okay.
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Hell yeah. Keep going dyslexic donor. Good stuff.
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Can I help you at all? Okay.
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Thank you.
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How's your week?
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Terrible, actually. Cool.
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We'll have to catch up on that later. It's fine.
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Hey, LTT YouTube, I'm just punching it.
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I almost clicked remove selected. It's one of those days.
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All right, Dan, let me know when we're live. That prompt has saved many lives.
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What is up, everybody? And welcome to an early Christmas present, the WAN Show, but earlier.
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Oh, we've got so much good news for you guys this week.
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Meta is tolerating rampant fraud through their ads in order to make more money.
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Wow. Good job, Meta. Truly keeping your shareholders safe at the expense of everybody else.
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In other news, Microsoft seems to have said the quiet part out loud that nobody cares at all
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about co-pilot and that it just kind of doesn't really matter, but also they're still committed.
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They're still committed. They're going to cram it down your throat. Open up your throat.
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Open it up now, because I'm going to cram it in there. Yeah. That's Microsoft. Sachin Nadella,
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he's going for it. Sachin Nadella wants to cram it down your throat.
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That's why he's got, that's why he's bald. That should have been the WAN title to you.
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It's so he can dive in. That should have been the WAN title.
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Right down there. The thumbnail text is just...
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You know, you have to recover just long enough to do a couple of topics.
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Minutes into the show. Okay. You took the one I really wanted to do.
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I know. That's what I do. Good job. NVIDIA, reportedly plans a 30 to 40% cut in G4's GPU
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production. Nobody saw this coming. It's a surprise to everyone for sure. Also, the ramp
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apocalypse continues. Also, surprise to every... You're surprised, actually? I'm surprised.
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Really? No, of course not. Yeah. Okay. Nice. Intro time. Oh, what?
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Oh, no way. We have my gamer tank.
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That was fantastic. You keep talking over the music. The show is brought to you by MSI, Squarespace,
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Saley, and Vessy. Of course, alongside our RAP partner, D-brand, our laptop partner,
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Dell, and our chair partner. Get ready. Let's go. Now, I do want to say,
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Noki, that was an incredible, incredible WAN Show intro variant, but there is one minor detail
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that you got unforgivably wrong. What? I would never beat Luke at video games.
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You do? Yeah. I will win. I'll steal a couple rounds from you when we first pick up a new game,
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and then after that, it's basically just like the Luke Shrek's Linus show. I don't think it's
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that clear. You've always said this. I don't think... Okay. A one-off example is not fair enough.
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What was that game? It was like a jump around everywhere. Tower Fall?
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Tower Fall? We traded back and forth a lot on Tower Fall. Yeah, because I have like five times as many hours in it as you.
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I don't know. Also, my childhood was 2D side scrolling and jumping, and yours was Halo.
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Right, but then you look at games like Halo, and you're like, you beat me at those games,
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and it's like, yeah. And then I look at games like those ones, and I say, you beat me at those
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games, and you're like, yeah, but I grew up with those. Like, it has to be equal. Yeah, but I had so many more hours in it too.
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Yeah, but I also had so many more hours in shooters. I am trying to pay you a compliment. Just take it.
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No, not at expense of others. Oh, that's true. I am better than him at super checks, but that's not a video game. So...
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I will vibe code, super checks the video game, then I will win a video game against Luke.
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He'd find a way to win it. I was going to say, I don't know, dude. I might figure that out.
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Speaking of which, Metta has found a way to figure out how to keep the billions of dollars in
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revenue that they are making from fraudulent advertisers who are just using ads on Metta's
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platforms to, well, defraud people. This is based on a Reuters report that shows that
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internal documents allegedly show that Metta understood that a large portion of its advertising
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revenue from Chinese partners, and this is not like, like a little bit large portion,
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this is like roughly 19% of their advertising revenue in 2024. Over $3 billion came from ads
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that were tied to, and brace yourself, scams, illegal gambling, pornography,
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and other prohibited content. Then, seeing all that, Metta went, hmm, well, what we could do
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is we could crack down on this. But, but hear me out, hear me out, alternate plan, we could not.
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And make billions of dollars. From bogus products in Taiwan to investment
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scams in the US and Canada, China has become a major source of scam ads on Metta's platforms
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globally. A special China focused anti-fraud team initially was able to cut this problematic
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Chinese ad revenue nearly in half. But, all of this is allegedly because I do not work for Reuters,
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and I did not do the reporting for this. Allegedly, after a strategy shift influenced by
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the Zuck himself, the team was apparently disbanded and tougher enforcement measures were shelved.
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In a big surprise to everyone, especially the Zuck, fraudulent ads and therefore the revenue
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associated with them rebounded. I wonder when this was, was this during like his big layoff
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when he was like, we need to. The year of efficiency? No, I think it's more recent than that.
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Actually, you know what? No, don't quote me on that. Let's leave it. Go check out the link
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to Reuters, which Dan will throw in the video chat, description chat. Throw in the chat.
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A big part of the reason that this works so well is that Metta's ad ecosystem in China relies on
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layers of resellers that obscure advertisers' identities, making it easier for scammers to
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place ads. Consultants warned that this setup enables fraud, and that Metta's enforcement
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was weaker than their competitors. And it appears that they just don't care, because they'd rather
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just take the money and go, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, I don't know that fraudulent ads are
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happening on the platform, la, la, la, la. I mean, I just, to me, even with the network of
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resellers, it doesn't seem that complicated, because apparently it's like, I read the article,
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apparently it's like 11 top-level resellers or something like that. So if Metta cared at all,
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even with the whole layers of resellers thing, just pushing the responsibility onto them and
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going, yeah, I will literally ban you if too much of this crap makes it through.
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You know how so many things in life are bell curves? There's that whole meme
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where there's the person who's just chill about a thing, because they're ignorant to it or whatever,
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and then the person freaking out about it the thing, because they're at a medium level of
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skill or knowledge, and then on the other end, it's just someone who's extremely skilled or
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extremely knowledgeable, and they're just chill again. I feel like this applies to this situation
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as well. Really? This is kind of a wild take. Let's see where he's going with this.
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A really small company can often get away with just not carrying or paying attention to these
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types of things. Oh, I see what you mean. A medium-sized company gets crushed by everyone,
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because you're now big enough, you have to care about these things, and then really big companies
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just get to ignore them again. They get to basically not have customer service. They get to not police
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things like ads or anything else on their platforms, because they're like, I don't know, we're too big. We can't do that anymore, of course. That's totally fine, even though they
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definitely have the resources to do so. It's interesting how requirements, policies,
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upholding certain standards and stuff are really, really, really pushed for it, the middle size.
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This is wild. I saved this. Facebook, I think I talked about this last week, how Facebook sent
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me an invitation to use some feature on my page. Do you need to search for... Oh, never mind.
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Yeah, no, no, I got it. They create a fan challenge to keep your audience engaged
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with your page on Facebook. They sent me the same thing again. In fact, here, you can see,
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in the last week, I have three emails from Facebook. One, two, three. All with the same
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subject line for the Linus Tech Tips page on Facebook to create this fan challenge.
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Now, I've gone into the Facebook dashboard, and I'm not an expert on Facebook page management
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or profile management or advertising or anything. I log into Facebook as infrequently as I can,
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and I only really use it for marketplace at this point. I'm not going to claim that I have done
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the world's greatest job of finding where to turn this off. What I have done is I've gone
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into my Facebook dashboard and I've turned off every communication method that I could find,
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because I don't want emails from them unless it's something to do with the taxation for paying out
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our Facebook video ads, which were a thing for a while. Honestly, now they're not even that much.
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I don't think we're really making pretty much anything on Facebook anymore.
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You know, they had that big push into video like six years ago or something like that.
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Anyway, yeah, four or five. I don't know. It happened though. I'm going to go over here.
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We're both hanging out. So, I don't want to miss an important message. So, I can't just filter
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every message from Facebook. So, I wanted to turn off specifically this. Now, in Canada,
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anyway, we have a law called Can Spam that dictates that you are not allowed to send an email
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that is unsolicited and you need to have a clear way to unsubscribe. Luke, can you find
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in this email any even attempt to adhere to Can Spam regulations?
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Not in the slightest. There is not only no button to unsubscribe from this email,
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but there isn't even a link to my dashboard for where to turn it off.
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I have someone in particular that I might be actually genuinely enforcing to
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reporting to Can Spam stuff. Wait, Can Spam is US law? Canada is CASL?
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Am I crazy? Can Spam. Holy s***.
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If you look up Can Spam, it does bring up Canada's anti-spam legislation.
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Huh, cool. Okay, then they're violating US law and Canadian law. That's cool.
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But it is called CASL. It's interesting when you Google it that it brings up Canada's.
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Yeah, I completely Mandela affected myself. I suspect this is a commonly Mandela affected one considering it brings up Canada's.
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Anyway. But it is CASL. The commenter is correct.
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Cool. Thank you for that. And also doesn't change the point.
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It is interesting. You're right. A really, really small company would probably get away
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with just like sending out unsolicited. You'd kind of go... Because most people are like, whatever. Yeah, I get it.
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Yeah. They probably don't even know. And enforcing every policy for freaking everywhere
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is honestly just impossible. So whatever. And then you get to a certain size and everyone's like,
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You should really... You need to comply with every single thing everywhere in the entire world all the time
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or else we will delete your entire company. And then you get to that size.
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And it's like, well, you're not going to touch them anyways. And even if you do,
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they're not going to care about the fines because it's probably worth it to them to just
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pay the fines that are ultimately like, they'll be like, oh yeah, by violating this policy,
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we made $382 million and the fine costs $15 million. So like...
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Cost of doing business, baby. That's the best cost of doing business I've ever heard of. Sounds good.
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Pay the fine. You just hit these levels where it just doesn't matter anymore.
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And it's funky. Yeah. And I'm not surprised that they're shirking like all of this stuff because
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who cares? People aren't going to stop using them. Because that's another thing. You hit like a certain level of critical mass where
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people can scream about it all they want, but they're not going to stop using meta services.
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Maybe a tiny handful, but it's not going to significantly impact their actual user base.
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Lieutenant Salty says, my boss sends emails using our POS software. We send texts and emails.
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And I've told my boss he needs to have an unsubscribe option. He's just like, no.
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Yep. Yep. Apparently that's what the Zuck said too.
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But yeah, I've got somebody who sends emails to my personally email inbox.
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And I don't even care. That's a dumpster fire. But I have unsubscribed multiple times
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and blocked them multiple times, but they keep just taking their email list and bringing it
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over to different email services because I'm sure they just know this happens.
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And like I've never actually done a report before, but I might actually do it.
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Because I have blocked and unsubscribed at least close to 10 times.
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I have a conspiracy theory that the unsubscribe button is actually just to verify that it's a
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real inbox. I am 100% certain that happens at least sometimes because I know of at least one case.
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And so I might, they might even actually unsubscribe you to that list,
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but then sell the information that you're definitely a real person reading their actual
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email. To their other company to...
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Yep. Very cool. I feel like in medieval times, they would have just like...
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Kinjara just said, I work for an e-com company and we have migrated email servers
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multiple times over the last five years for the very reason you mentioned.
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That's rough. Thanks for letting me know that is interesting. But also, I think this person is
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literally like more than one or two times a year. It's very often.
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But that is, you know, I'm not surprised by these things. And this is kind of what I'm
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talking about. Like at a certain scale, you just don't care and you work around it.
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And at the bottom scale, other people don't care. And then in the middle, you get crushed by both
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realistic or not realistic. You get crushed by both like governmental regulation stuff and
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people expectations. I'm reporting as a spam. It's a great filter. And Google won't do anything.
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Nope. Oh, I just blocked it. Whoops. No, I don't. You know what? Fine. F*** it.
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I'm just never going to get any email from Facebook again, apparently.
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Actually, I really shouldn't do that. If we don't know about taxes, we don't have to pay them right.
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Is that how that works? No, actually, our current issue is that they
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are withholding some taxes from us that they shouldn't be because we're Canadian. And Yvonne
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has like a long chain going back and forth with them. I haven't actually brought that because
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it's a separate support team for like actual, they have a support team for like money. Right.
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But just like managing your page on just my account, like I don't have anything special in there.
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No may rank. That is not financial advice for me.
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Yeah. This is important right now.
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Why don't we do our headline topic next? Microsoft is, this is such a corporate way to say this,
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lowering its growth targets for co-pilot as it has, and this is a quote, this is amazing,
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struggled to find buyers interested in using it. Yeah. This is according to a story from
31:48
The Information, which has resulted in a two and a half percent stock price drop on Wednesday.
31:54
I mean, you can never quite attribute like a share move to just one piece of news.
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Honestly, I would have expected more, not financial advice. Based on how hyped the
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market is on AI stuff right now, then being like, yeah, it's failing. And then the market was like,
32:15
okay. Well, I mean, here's the thing, right? There's a ton of inertia in all of this.
32:21
Like I've been, I mean, Tesla just hit an all time high, right? So you got to remember that
32:29
this kind of ties back perfectly to that long conversation we had last week about information
32:34
bubbles. What percentage of people read the information? And I don't mean any information
32:41
in general. I mean theinformation.com. What percentage of people read this? What percentage
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of people who read it have a subscription so they can read more than just the snippet?
32:52
Who actually even knows about this? Not to mention that so much of the investment in
32:58
things like the S&P are just, are automated. Like people will literally set up their paycheck to
33:05
just siphon off some of it and just dump it into their portfolio. These are not decisions that
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they're making based on an article they read today and they shouldn't. That actually is financial
33:14
advice. You should not be just like every day moving around. No, it's still technically not
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financial advice. It is still, but it is financial advice that I've received. Sure. That the average
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person should not be just like micromanaging their stock portfolio from day to day based on,
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you know, individual pieces of news. Is not financial advice that we're giving you. Correct,
33:38
but it is financial advice that I've received from people who are qualified to give financial
33:42
advice. So make of that what you will. Yeah, I think that's fine. So most people are not doing
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that. True. You look at like a pension fund, for instance, where they have tens or hundreds of
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millions of dollars that they're managing or billions of dollars that they're managing.
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You can't just sell a $400 million stake in Microsoft just like that. You can,
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you might not get the best price for it necessarily. Actually, Microsoft could probably
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absorb that much. Yeah, Microsoft could probably absorb that much, but depending on the size of
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the company, right, for every sale of a share, there has to be a purchase of a share. I just,
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I take every opportunity to talk about the Toronto Teachers Pension Fund. Currently sitting at $269.6
34:30
billion in assets. Let's go. Yep. Massive, right? And so an entity like that
34:38
isn't going to just read this article and be like... Yeet, we're completely out of Microsoft.
34:43
Sell, sell, sell, sell all the Microsoft immediately. And you have to have, especially
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on a company with the market cap of Microsoft, you would have to have a huge, huge volume of
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transactions in order for the price to really appreciably nosedive, which isn't to say it
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never happens or that it won't happen when the AI bubble really like pop pops, but two and a half
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percent in a day is a lot. Anywho, what were we talking about again? Right, yeah, two and a half
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percent stock drop on Wednesday. Co-pilot currently holds 14% AI market share, apparently,
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with Google's Gemini less than 1% behind. This deeply depends on how you measure
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market share and based on tiny factors could swing massive amounts, just to be super clear.
35:39
Apparently, a big part of the sales struggles is that AI agents being sold to businesses as
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labor replacements are failing to complete real-world office tasks 70% of the time according
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to researchers at Carnegie Mellon University. Honestly, I'm surprised they're successful 30%
35:56
of the time. I suspect that is, again, how you measure it and also fub factor and lack of reporting
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and stuff because it's like for sure higher than that, but yeah. Cool. Or there's companies that
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are like accepting a certain amount of, okay, doesn't seem like it's actually replacing the person,
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but we can maybe accelerate some people this way, so we're not going to report it as a failure
36:21
anyways, like stuff like that. Microsoft defended co-pilot claiming that the information story
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inaccurately combines the concepts of growth and sales quotas and they said that aggregate sales
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quotas for AI products have not been lowered. Before we keep going, another thing I would say
36:38
about that 70% figure is I bet you there are cases where they are happy that they're not working as well.
36:44
I could see, I was just talking earlier about how like in the pre-show, someone brought up,
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oh, my user name that I changed didn't reflect the change in full-plane chat for some reason,
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and I was like, okay, cool, send in a support ticket. We're not one of those companies that
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try to obfuscate it or make it harder to do by making you read FAQ articles and stuff.
37:06
They might like that their support chat bots are bad. Interesting idea. I've never really
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thought about this before, but I wonder if it's genuine because there's like a ton of dark patterns
37:17
at various companies that get put in place to stop you from actually properly sending in support
37:23
tickets. Oh yeah, 100% because every support ticket costs money and every serving you a website
37:29
webpage. If it's successful, you get a refund or a new product or something. Yeah. Like they don't
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actually want those to go through in a lot of cases. Right. Definitely not all, right, obviously,
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but like there are definitely some. So if it's like bad and it just results in people not being
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willing to go through the process and they just give up, and that shows up in some reporting
37:52
dashboard as like, oh, we set up this AI bot and our expenditure on refunds and replacements is
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lower. They'll see that as a success. I have no idea. This is a lot of like. I'm going to choose
38:10
to believe conspiracy theory that it's not that bad at most places. I'm going to choose to believe
38:15
it's not that bad in most cases just for now, just for my own sake. I have no idea. This is based on
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nothing. And so, and, and my position is based on not being able to handle the emotional burden
38:28
of you being correct about this. Who knows? One of the ways that Microsoft is growing their AI
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business still though is by forcing LG TV users to have a shortcut to co-pilot installed on their
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smart TV home screen. They have apparently since allowed users to delete the shortcut,
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but there was a period where it was not possible to delete and the backlash was swift and secure.
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Our discussion question is, why would you want co-pilot on your TV?
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Yeah, I don't. Extremely cold take, but man, smart TVs suck.
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Cool. Yeah, that was a, that was pretty, that was pretty good. Actually, oh, this is actually,
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this is a good, this is a good discussion question. David Gochia compared this topic
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is a bad TV UX enough to persuade you to buy a different brand. And, and follow up question
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for let's assume an equal viewing experience, how much more would you spend?
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I do think a bad UX could push me away from buying a certain TV.
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But the last TV upgrade that was done for my dad, we looked for one that on purpose
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was like as dumb as possible.
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The, how much is enough is a tough one. I don't know. I really don't know.
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Well, you think metal max scene had one idea. Hey, co-pilot, is this the episode I watched last
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week? Or is it just another scene of Abby and Mickey hacking? I guess if you wanted to ask it
40:27
questions about content, but it's like, I don't know. See, I have the same issue with this
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that I have with like a wearable AI companion and, you know, an AI ring and an AI glasses
40:40
and an AI, I already have a phone in my pocket. I literally already have it.
40:47
It's also going to be wrong often. We did the, the full point exclusive that is out now,
40:53
the last one from Luke week, which is a gaming video. And when I was looking over some of the,
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like B-roll footage I was sending to Sammy, Jim and I just did a summary without me asking
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of some of the footage that I had put in Google drive. And it like summarized a bunch of gameplay
41:10
footage that I had. And it had like my mic and the person I was playing with's mic in the recording.
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So it tried to summarize like the things that happened and what we said about it. And it was
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like 70% correct. And 30% of it was just totally made up. And that's going to happen here.
41:32
I was reading different parts. I was like, wow, that never happened. Neat. Yeah.
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Dyslexic stoner asks, what if my AI on my TV could put swear words back in instead of bleeps?
41:45
I would give away all my info for that. No, now you're just, you're just imagining too useful of a function for AI. Okay. Oh,
41:56
oh, this was such a great example of how, but with real swears, all of this stuff is just
42:01
still. And I just, how many years ago was it that Google did that demo where your AI assistant,
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and this is pre like the generative AI LLM thing, where your AI assistant was supposed to,
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to phone your hairdresser and make an appointment for you? So long ago. That was like
42:17
a billion years ago. I think at least like seven. I think, I think it was something,
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yeah, I think, I think you're probably right. I think it was like six to eight years ago or
42:25
something like that. And I basically was like cap because like it's just obviously
42:35
of six to seven. Very funny. Because it's just, it's, it's obviously the kind of thing that would
42:44
work, but would work so poorly that it's actually more work than just calling your hairdresser
42:50
and making an appointment and looking at the calendar yourself, right? I had another prime,
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wow, you nailed it. May 2018 apparently says Andy in the UK. Boom. Nice. I had yet another one
43:05
of those moments because I looked at that and I went, my assistant can, can barely figure out like
43:12
if I mean a local address or I mean one in New Brunswick when I asked to navigate somewhere.
43:18
Like you got to be kidding me. My assistant is purely for setting alarms. Yeah. Or
43:23
right. Shazam. Like my assistant, my assistant at that time, you still couldn't set an alarm
43:29
using Google assistant. That was more than 24 hours in the future. Like you couldn't,
43:33
do you remember that? You couldn't set an alarm for like two days from now. And that's a big
43:38
problem for me because a calendar event is not enough for me. Like that's not enough for something
43:43
I actually need to do. I need it to ring when it's time for me to do something. How is that still,
43:48
how is that still not a function? Don't break it. How's that still not a function? I fully agree
43:53
because it's super annoying needing to just go do both and you should really be able to make a
43:57
calendar event, send off an alarm. Yeah, you really should. Anyway, anyway, anyway, anyway,
44:02
maybe there's a third party app, which would be super cool and if anyone knows one, feel free to
44:05
pop it in the chat. Feature idea too. If you're in the Google ecosystem, which kind of blows in a
44:10
lot of ways right now, but you should make it so that it sets off an alarm unless you're like in
44:14
the thing. So if you're in like a Google Meet that is in the calendar event, if you're in the thing,
44:19
just don't bother set the alarm off. That'd be cool. But if you're not, then it should like get
44:23
your attention until you get in the Google Meet. That would be sick. Cosmic Wolf says Siri is still
44:27
limited to 24 hours. Yeah, so I was about to talk about Siri. So Yvonne never got around to switching
44:32
back to her Android phone just yet, although iOS 26 has actually might make her might make her put
44:37
might make her go back. I have a video coming soon on my experience with iOS 26. But as far as I
44:42
can tell, it's like the biggest pile that Apple has released and that I'm aware of that I remember
44:49
ever using. Anyway, she went to use Siri last night and she's like, Hey, Siri, and actually
44:56
really like this, the way that Siri is just like, Hmm? Instead of being like, Yes, hello, what can I
45:02
do for you? Shut up and I'm the one who talks. I am the human. You are the clanker, you know?
45:06
Anyway, she goes, she goes, she goes, Hey, Siri, set a couple of reminders for me. I want to
45:18
Sorry, I can't do that. Why not? I thought that's the whole point of natural language interaction.
45:25
Why do I have to? Hey, Siri, set a reminder. I need to do blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
45:31
Okay, blah, blah, no, shut up, shut up. Hey, Siri. Hmm? Set a reminder. I need to. No,
45:38
just let me do both. And until Oh, I'm so sorry. I'm setting off people's phones. My bad.
45:45
Stop saying the S word.
45:49
Yeah, I screwed up. I'm sorry. The point. Yeah, sorry. I can't show you that while driving. It's
45:55
like, bro, I'm not, I'm not driving. I'm in the passenger seat and I'm plugged into the car play.
46:00
That stuff is so annoying. Just thank you, nanny, but I'm not interested in having you take care
46:09
of me and what I'm allowed to do while I'm doing things. You know, a game that I'm surprised
46:12
doesn't exist. You know, when we were growing up and like everyone just universally played the
46:17
like raindrop game, where like the, you know, when, when condensation is like gathering on your
46:23
window and you like track how it goes. Yeah. Did you play the variant where you find a spot on
46:27
the windshield and you move around your head to dodge everything? That was my favorite one.
46:31
But everyone talks about the raindrop game. I thought that one was way more cool. But anyways,
46:35
we all used to do this. I'm surprised those don't exist as like basically games. Oh, yeah. There's,
46:42
there'd be no reason you couldn't do it with like head tracking. Yeah. It's got to be a thing.
46:47
It's got to be like a genre. Maybe I just don't know about it. It seems like it would actually
46:51
be like pretty fun. Oh, dude, you can do it in VR like super easy, I think. Yeah. I mean,
46:57
would you even, you wouldn't even need VR. No, no, but like I'm just saying to skip a lot of the
47:02
like steps. It should be not that hard, I think, but I don't know much about game development. So
47:08
William Comarton says, I used to try to name the make and model based on the headlight shape at
47:13
night. That's pretty cool. That's tough. Yeah. That's pretty tough. It's a lot more knowledge than
47:18
I would have had. Yeah. And with my eyes, I'm not, I'm not making out a headlight shape, dude.
47:25
I'm just getting.
47:28
Webdude says, for reminders and alarms on Android, there's an app, A calendar,
47:33
which can handle about five alarms slash reminders with noise or email.
47:37
Why is it five? I don't know. Maybe it's just, maybe, maybe it's just not quite
47:42
explained properly. Anyway, yeah, we can explore that another time. I just switched over to the
47:47
Fold 7. Unfortunately, this is not the new tri-fold and it took a grand total of one day.
47:53
It's not fold completely flat. Yep. So I need to add that to my notes.
48:02
I want, you know what, overall, I still am really, really loving it a lot so far.
48:17
It's like, dude, I haven't daily driven a Fold in years now.
48:21
And it's like, it's like going back into the warm embrace of an old friend, honestly.
48:26
Really? Yeah. I had a Teams meeting today that they were screen sharing on.
48:31
So I had a giant thing that I could read text on. I was like, oh, yeah. Yeah. I remember why this was
48:39
way better than literally anything else. And it's not for everybody, right? Like the battery life
48:44
is going to be a bit of a downer for some people. Although with that said, I'm sitting at 97% today,
48:50
but I did plug in on my way into work, so make of that what you will.
48:55
But if your use case benefits from the Fold, there's just, there's no question. I've already run into
49:03
a weird thing, Plex, the interface. If you tap your user icon at the top, in candy bar mode,
49:16
it's supposed to do something, I forget, but in like the more tablet mode, it slides
49:21
in a thing from the left and it accidentally did the tablet thing when I was in candy bar.
49:26
So my screen was just going dark because I couldn't see that it was sliding a thing from off screen.
49:32
Yeah. So just, you know, that's annoying. It's still not perfect. I was going to say,
49:37
I wonder if that's more on the phone. I feel like it should be reporting. That's the phone.
49:43
It's the phone. It's the phone. It's an Android. It's apps. It's just the poor integration between
49:48
all of them. Yeah. It's a Plex promise. Just a shitty app. Yeah, sure. But that doesn't,
49:55
and this is a take that I have, I have gone to war for a lot of times and I will continue
50:01
to go to war for. It doesn't matter. Yeah, it's true. When at the end of the day, right, when
50:08
people choose a device, whether they're choosing a candy bar Android, folding Android, an iPhone,
50:15
Windows phone, I don't care. You know, whatever it is that people are choosing.
50:20
Just keep going.
50:24
What matters is the user experience. And so, you know, back when I was on some of the early folds
50:29
and I couldn't use YouTube stories, I didn't care if that was Samsung's fault or Google's fault
50:38
or Father Christmas's fault. It just didn't matter. What mattered was that device was not
50:43
suitable for my use case. That's all that matters. Yeah. And so that's, and everyone else, I am the
50:51
user. I am the one giving the money to have this experience and everyone else needs to accommodate
50:56
what I need to get done on my device. So like, you know, let's look at Elijah's actually working on
51:02
a video about his switch to iPhone, which was made actually for predominantly contact sharing,
51:10
using AirDrop, because he went and was doing some networking at an event and missed out on some
51:15
really good contacts because they were just like, oh, I have to type something. You're a lesser being.
51:21
You know, oh, that's way too much work. I only tap my phone with people. I only interface with
51:25
Highborns. Whatever. The point is, he missed out on some, he missed out on some, some contacts.
51:30
And so he was like, okay, I'm just going to have to do it. But over time, he's found there's,
51:34
there's other benefits as well. And one of them is that for creative oriented apps,
51:40
sometimes they'll get cool new features before they're rolled out to other platforms. And
51:47
at the end of the day, is that the fault of the app creator? Is that the fault of the
51:54
the phone maker? Is that the fault of the operating system owner? In this case, you know,
51:59
Google doesn't matter. Why Elijah? He says iPhone is so much better for creators. It's kind of
52:04
scary. Why? What makes a difference? The thing I was talking about that you weren't listening to
52:09
because you were reading chat. Nice. Cool. I wasn't really. And he's going to do a full video about
52:13
it. So, you know, he'll be talking through a lot of this. Wait, the contact sharing? No,
52:18
not the contact sharing. You missed it. You missed the whole other thing that I was talking about
52:21
just now. Yes, we do need to do that.
52:29
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, Larian topic. So apparently we all
52:37
now that's an early Christmas present. I have lots of things to say. I love video games.
52:44
But this isn't even for me. Last time I did this, I was stepping on a mic. Riley,
52:48
you're not on a, you don't have a mic yet. Hold on. There's supposed to be one here.
52:52
Dan promised. I know, but I know, but you don't have it yet. You can't talk yet.
52:56
I have to wear that. Wait, do we have a place for him to sit? What do you mean?
53:01
What's that? It's just squatting. The world is my oyster. I can't hear myself through the mic,
53:07
but why? Oh my God. I don't know if it's working. Guess why I'm here though, Linus?
53:12
I can literally see it. I can see him talking. Why can't we hear it? They can hear him. They
53:16
can hear him. So they're good. If they're good, I'm good. You're here to talk about the Larian
53:19
thing. Can they hear, like, is it coming from this mic or is it coming from something? Yeah,
53:23
yeah, yeah. Guys, I got it. Oh, there it is. Hey. I'm here to talk about Luke. Yeah. Because
53:31
you haven't let him talk about AI enough, except today you guys talked about AI a ton. So like,
53:35
what the heck? Well, I'll tell you what, while you talk about Luke, I'm going to go get you a stool.
53:41
What? No, no, no, no. He specifically requested no stool. I'm a non-stool user.
53:47
I'm like, you know how AI doomers are like, no AI ever. That's me with stools. He believes in no
53:53
stool ever. I think stools are trained on other people's work and their copyright infringement.
54:00
How about an apple box? It's basically just a chair. Stools are just chairs, but worse. Why would you
54:04
ever? He's getting you an apple box. No, I asked, okay. Now you're going to make me ruin the meme.
54:12
I asked Dan to remove the apple box. This is so much worse. Oh, but I do like, if I sit back here,
54:21
then I kind of look like I'm... You have dramatic lighting. I'm lit by two, hold on.
54:26
It's okay, I'm lit too. I'm lit by both sides and it's like I'm the duality of man. A neutral party.
54:33
Okay. So should I... Not AI generated left. Should I talk through this and then you guys can have
54:42
your conversation or how does this work? You can go. Sure. All right. Certain corners of the internet
54:48
lost their flip in minds earlier this week when Larian Studios CEO Swin Vink told Bloomberg...
54:54
Vinky. Yeah, of course. That's what I'm saying. Gotta be Vinky. Told Bloomberg that the Baldur's
54:59
Gate 3 studio uses AI tools to help explore ideas and speed things along early in the development
55:04
process. I hate how much of my life is reading text and then trying to say it out loud. And then
55:11
having an AI train on it. It's Vinky, right? I have no idea. Thanks. In the same interview,
55:18
Vinky made it clear. I like it. It sounds more like a pet name. It's gotta be Sven Vinky. It
55:22
can't be Sven Vink. I don't know. I don't speak Swedish. I don't know if I've heard it said out
55:28
loud. Vink sounds like a woodland creature. Google it and then you'll get one of the pronunciation
55:34
things. Vinky sounds like also a woodland creature, just way cuter and fluffier. Vinky? Yeah. Maybe
55:39
from like a fantasy world. Okay, it doesn't matter. The point is that Vinky made it clear
55:45
that there will not be any AI-generated content in Larian's upcoming installment in the Divinity
55:50
series saying that everything is human actors. We're writing everything ourselves. Jordan,
55:57
who prepped this topic for us, said, but that was toward the end of the article. So the odds that
56:01
anyone read that far, pretty low. Nobody has time for that. After the inevitable backlash for saying
56:08
anything even vaguely positive about AI, Vinky took to Twitter to try to clarify. This is a quote,
56:15
holy fuck, guys. We are not pushing hard for or replacing concept artists with AI.
56:23
The post notes that Larian employs 72 artists, 23 of whom are concept artists, and that they're
56:30
in the process of hiring more. Yeah, the concept art is really what this centers around. Vinky
56:36
also linked a GameSpot article from April of this year detailing Larian's use of machine
56:41
learning for tasks that he said, and this is a quote, nobody wants to do. This uproar has apparently
56:47
reminded people that Game of the Year winner Clare Obscure Expedition 33 was accidentally
56:53
released with AI placeholder art, which was quickly patched out of the game back in April,
56:57
adding an additional target for the rage of the anti-AI camp. Daniel,
57:04
Vavra, Vavra, whatever. Vulva, I think. Did you just say vulva?
57:12
It's what? That's not a... It's a biological term. Important landmark if you're trying to find certain
57:21
things. We're not going to get demonetized for that. The point is the co-founder of Kingdom Come
57:31
Deliverance 2 developer Warhorse also waded into the mess to defend Larian's honor, saying
57:38
this AI hysteria is the same as when people were smashing steam engines in the 19th century.
57:44
Vinky said Larian was doing something that absolutely everyone else is doing,
57:48
and they got into this insanely crazy sh** storm. Everyone else is doing it.
57:53
Vulva adds, I'm no fan of AI-generated art, but anyway, it's time to face reality. AI is here
58:02
to stay with us as frightening as it may be. That's the way it is. Now, I'm going to kick you
58:09
guys off by throwing back to something that Luke and I were actually talking about earlier in this
58:14
show. Larian sits at the apex of the curve. They're big enough that they're an attractive target for
58:25
the hate, but not so big that they'll just be like, what are you going to do about it?
58:32
All right, go. Yeah, one thing I was going to throw in just right off the bat is another game
58:37
that won awards, because right now we're talking about Larian who took a ton of Game of the Year
58:42
awards and many other awards, and then we're talking about Expedition 33, which won everything,
58:47
as far as I can tell. Another game that won awards, the Multiplayer Award of the Year.
58:52
Arc Raiders also has a ton of AI stuff going on. All of the movement of the AI enemies in the game
58:58
is all machine learning. Really? Yeah. And you can hear more about that.
59:05
We forgot to, did we even say that? That part's not in the video, but...
59:09
We can learn about something, but you can't learn about something. Yeah, yeah.
59:16
There's supposed to say that? Luke Week on Float Play, there's three episodes, one's a Q&A,
59:20
one's a gaming video, which is like a follow-up to the last gaming video I did on the first Luke
59:25
Week, and then the other video is something. It's us talking about AI, which is why I'm here,
59:34
and I felt bad that I didn't... I was like, we're here for Luke, but we didn't even do the call-out.
59:39
Just wanted to get that clear. It's Luke Week on Float Play, but anyway, machine learning,
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Arc Raiders. Yes, so it's in a lot of places, and if you want to be mad at something for AI stuff,
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as far as I can tell, the biggest use of it is largely in Arc Raiders.
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but one of the problems is that everyone's throwing everything under the same banner,
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and then it's kind of difficult because where's the line? Well, this is an interesting because
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with Sven Winkie, on his tweet where he's like, guys, seriously, we're the good guys,
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he links to a GameSpot article where he talks about how they use machine learning for the
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kind of rote menial tasks that no one wants to do, but the debate isn't really around like,
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oh, okay, you used AI to smooth out your mesh or whatever. I'm not a developer, I understand,
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but stuff that isn't like, ooh, the artistry involved in that. It's just kind of like, okay,
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you have to reduce the amount of polygons or whatever, and it's annoying. In a way, his argument is that it's actually accomplishing what a lot of people wanted out of
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it, which is that it's allowing for people to focus more on the artistic stuff that they want to do
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instead of the menial annoying tasks that they don't want to do, which is like...
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But that's why the backlash isn't about the machine learning, the more traditional
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what we called AI back then sort of. It's about the concept art.
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The problem with Arc Raiders is people don't know where the line is. There's a lot of questions for
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that thing looks like it might be generated, like generative AI generated, because there's
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little like, what do you call it, greebles? What's the term for when there's just random stuff added
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to things to make it look... I call them grubbles. This is, Star Wars is really not well known for
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this. They just like, they'll put vents and pipes on things or whatever. Yeah, I know what is called
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in the context of a garment, like an embellishment, but that's not what they're called. I think it's
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babufrik. So there's a lot of babufrik. Greebles. Yeah, I don't know. Greebling. Yeah, it's like a
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term. I don't know what it is. Babufriks though, I'm down with that. So there's tons of babufriks
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in Arc Raiders, where there's just like a tube that'll go from one place to another place that
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makes no sense at all. And people are wondering, was this someone just adding a tube because it
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looks cool, which totally might be a thing? Sometimes they like tubes. Or is this just
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generative AI just doing stuff? And it's, where is the line? What's going on?
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The most interesting aspect of the debate here for me was
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basically whether we are going to preserve the practice of like concept art. I think people
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are scared that if you... Because the most concerning part was him saying, oh, for the
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early concepting phase. Only in the early phase, we're kind of throwing ideas at the wall and
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seeing what sticks. So like if we're like, hmm, would it be funny to have a frog with it wearing
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a top hat or something? And then you like find an image of a frog or whatever and you tell
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AI, I put a top hat on him and then they do it and they're like, hmm, it's not so funny. Maybe
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we won't go with that, you know? It is funky. And the alternative to that would have been,
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hey, a concept artist, can you draw a frog wearing a top hat? Now, I feel like in that
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situation, I can easily see a concept artist kind of taking that idea and making a top hat
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on a frog look funny and look interesting in a way that AI wouldn't be able to.
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But couldn't a concept artist also put that prompt in and go, yeah, it's funny,
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but I think I could do it better and draw something. Well, the counterpoint to that
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is that you're basically like starting from... If you prompt AI and you get a result back and
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you're like, hmm, okay, I'm going to do that but better or I'm going to like iterate on that,
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okay, you're starting with a thought process and that's part of the human creativity engine,
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but this is a studied phenomenon. People are more creative and they think better through
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problems if they do it themselves from scratch or if they learn how to do it themselves from
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scratch. And this might be a solution. This is the whole problem with AI. It's a solution to do
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something faster, but you're probably going to get a worse output at the end of it.
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And maybe even if, so if you have a super experienced concept artist today, they could use
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potentially, they could use AI to accelerate a quality job, but if you are losing out on the
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development of your ability to think through these problems because you've always had this crutch.
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But then I mean, oh man, see now we're going back to the calculator argument, right? You won't
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have a calculator in your pocket, so you need to be able to start things from scratch.
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But yes, if a calculator had the result of like the cumulative output of human knowledge being
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reduced, like in mathematics, if our ability to do advanced mathematics at the highest levels
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was reduced because of calculators, maybe it has been. I think there's also a problem here
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where you have the like the movie adaptation to a book problem where like once you've seen
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the movie adaptation to the book, when you read the book, your brain is kind of filling in like,
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oh, this is what this person looks like. This is what this place looks like, whatever,
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where if you're just reading the book and never seen any of those references,
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you kind of make it up yourself. I mean, if I've seen a frog with a top hat,
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there are definitely people who are not susceptible to that.
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I mean, I wouldn't have thought it would be possible to read the Hobbit and then create
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such a shit movie. They've clearly completely reimagined that, not for the better.
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Yeah, I think there's a whole other set of incentives and problems there.
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Have you seen it? They recast Aragorn in the new Gollum movie. You guys haven't heard about this.
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Because he's younger. Yeah, but Gandalf's in it. Like Ian McKellen is Gandalf in it.
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Wait, what? But Vigo's too old. Anyway.
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They should have just done it anyways. They should have just used Vigo. I'm pretty annoyed about that, but I mean, that is what it is.
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I mean, the movie's going to suck anyway, so does it really matter?
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Did you watch the War of the Rohirrim? I, yeah.
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So bad. I couldn't make it through it. I really wanted to. It's funny because it's like, oh, Peter Jackson's returning for the Hunt for the Gollum movie.
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So it's like, but that doesn't mean anything because he did the Hobbit movies and they're horrible.
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Didn't he come in late? Didn't he come in late on the Hobbit movies?
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Did he? I thought he came in to like try to save them. I have to admit that I don't, I know hardly anything about the Hobbit movies
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because I went to see the first one in theater and I was like, this is horrendous.
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I saw it also in 48FBS and I was like, this is horrendous. And I just didn't watch the next two.
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I did the same thing. You did the right thing. I watched the next two because I'm a completionist
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and masochist like that, I guess. But I don't think I saw them. They didn't get better.
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Maybe I did, but I don't think I did. They didn't get better. Yeah. I would watch the heck out of like a fan cut and which probably exists.
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I think there is one movie because I complained about this on Wancho a while ago.
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Someone mentioned that. I think there is one. Yeah. Okay. I don't want to take us too far off the rails.
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Back to AI stuff NVIDIA games. Yeah. I mean, like it's it's it's also a tough line because we're at a spot and I think
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I think this has been addressed actually by potentially Larry and I'm not I'm not sure.
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But we're at a weird spot where like a lot of people are demanding stances of different tools
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and technologies that people companies really will not use and they're looking for people
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to make permanent statements on those things and none of us have any idea what's going to
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happen to the landscape moving forward and that could put companies that are actually going to
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bother potentially responding to any of this and having open dialogues with people like Larry and
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at potentially extremely disadvantageous positions in a field that is incredibly mind
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blowingly cutthroat and competitive and you have companies that are not laying people off
67:47
that are actively hiring that are making games that people like and those companies are the
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ones that are getting critically looked at when there's companies that are laying people off and
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are in some cases known for using even more AI stuff and those companies are being ignored
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in this case and it's just like I think we need better targets for this energy.
68:05
I saw a really good tweet because I can't be here very long. I saw a really good tweet
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where someone's like gamers are like they don't want games to be delayed. They don't want
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studios to force the developers to crunch either. They don't want people to use AI
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but they also want the games to come out and play them and like it's like they can't have all of these
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they want everything. Gamers are a difficult bunch. Yeah I take the opinion that like look
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if you want to use AI for small parts that isn't like and like according to your principle you
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talk about. No output. No output. Don't use the unaltered output you know never. Which is what
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Larry is saying. If they want to do that as part of the pipeline you know go for it. I don't think
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we should jump down their throats for that given how AI is here already. However I will have way
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more respect for a company if they do everything without AI and take a friggin long time it's
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just like is that possible? Do the economics work? Sorry. I was just gonna say that AI is I
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don't know if anybody noticed this but AI in for a person who runs a company that has been to a
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fault transparent and take instances on a lot of things AI is one of the ones that if you've
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been listening very carefully I have never made any kind of commitments for Linus Media Group.
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Four against I think. We like barely use it internally. Even when Microsoft came in here
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and offered to replace all of the employees for free. Every single one of them. Yeah you were
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like you know what not today. I'm trying to have a serious conversation and you guys are completely
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taking it off the rails which is fine because I wasn't going to give an answer anyway. Honestly
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this conversation was way more on the rails than it should have been
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for me coming in here and I don't think I even have time to be part of the Mozilla one because
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I feel like I wanted to combine those two with the Larian and the Mozilla because they're both
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just being attacked. We can talk Mozilla but first I want to do something fun um so I had
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you said he doesn't have time. Well no you guys you guys can talk about Mozilla. So there was a
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little comment here in Floatplane from Vellisette that I had highlighted I wanted to talk about
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yeah biggest problem here is that for a vocal minority it's binary. There's no nuance to this
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conversation and that's one of the reasons that I haven't taken a stance because people are going
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to expect me to take like a hard line stance when even if I did it wouldn't be something
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that I could fully control anyway. I don't know if I even want to say this but hot take.
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I mean there's there's companies like I there's companies like I don't remember the name of
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the company behind it but they made silk song they're like three people. Team Cherry has like
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three people maybe they can control for this. At bigger companies like Larian has hundreds
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and and they're not even seen as like a big studio. All of those games if it's a binary
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that you're looking at this set will be made with AI. I think I can be confidently say that
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statement and I don't even if the even if the head of the company is like don't use it it's
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still going to happen. Do you remember these are going to try to take shortcuts. Do you remember
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when we had a minor controversy when one of our I had taken that one time.
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No sorry I don't. I have no memories. You legitimately might not remember this one.
71:51
It's not ringing about it. So we had a minor controversy a while back where I had on Wansho
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said that I didn't feel that in our industry working the way that we do and relying on ads
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the way that we do that we should use adblock and I had made it a policy at our company that we
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don't install it on our computers. Yeah and I got called out like a couple weeks later or something
72:16
for using adblock because I screen shared on something and I was using a laptop that
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someone else had set up someone else had configured. That is a perfect example of what
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you just said. How in a company of more than one person or even in a company of one person
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someone can forget a thing that they said at some point and do something but especially in
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a company of more than one person you can have a stance on something you can have an opinion
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you can even have a policy but at the end of the day not everyone is going to follow it so you
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could say no AI will make it into anything that we do all you want I had to I had to read a sponsor
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spot that was clearly AI generated not that long ago because it was in the form of like rhyming
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couplets with all the sponsor talking points and I'm like okay two things. One if you used AI for
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this bad and two if you did this without AI double bad because what a waste of time
73:19
it was like passable but not good yeah it was AI okay there's one other thing. Some concept
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artist is going to have a bad week and be really frustrated and have a deadline for frog with top
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hat yeah whatever the like oh my god I just I can't get the pose right for some reason
73:37
but really generate okay cool yeah I can make that work whatever the artist equivalent of
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writer's block is they're gonna use a tool brush block sure okay the other thing I wanted was you
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guys were talking about greeblies or whatever and I was like oh I wonder what an AI response to
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the right number of pieces of flair is like will it will it get the office reference or will it
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will it come up with something so I typed how many pieces of flair is the right amount
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and it literally is like new try AI mode search put that in your mind and get AI power responses
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you literally gave me the AI response well whether I consented to it or not okay well I can
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if you could not interested what the way the way no no it's a different thing the way is still like
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what the heck the way they're branding all this stuff is so insane annoying to me especially as
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like covering tech news and like it's like Google updated this and they have a new mode and I'm just
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like and I have to read through and be like okay so this is like the other this is like the four
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other things that they call like because they have Gemini they have Google regular search they have
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Google AI overviews they have AI mode which is basically just using Gemini but like it's more
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more searchy it's like all right so let's find out what this does sure it's like yeah it's okay so
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now it just just comes up in a different interface it's basically Gemini except it's like what we're
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doing here is searching the web for stuff yeah yeah so it's just Gemini but focused on search
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yeah what this is such a stupid it was doing really well the running joke blah blah 15 pieces of
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flair blah blah etc office space outside the film there's no set right amount of flair the term has
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come to refer to other things including flair airlines baggage allowances no hey hey haven't
75:30
you ever taken a shot you know just like it took a swing and it missed that time yes it did it's
75:36
got a chutzpah good lord I wanted to say well I already said it okay well you wanted to talk
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about the mozilla thing right do you have time okay I I really need to go but basically my main I
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wrote this I wrote the tackling story Nate somebody a probationary employee wrote notes
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they're almost done wrote notes for it and then I kind of edit the notes again but basically the
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gist is that Mozilla got attacked because they have a new CEO fire fox is going to evolve into a
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modern AI browser is what he said but he also really emphasized trust and user agency and stuff
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and people like to jump down their throats for adding AI there were so many articles and and
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tweets and stuff were like firefox is adding AI now I'm out guys firefox has had AI features
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for a long time all the things that I listed and people have been talking about this all
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text generation for accessibility translation automatic tab grouping link previews with summaries
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chatbots in the sidebar an AI window that's currently in beta that you can open like a private
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slash incognito window yeah and I noted that most firefox users haven't like may not have noticed
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these because they're all optional features and you can turn them off and this is like something
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that they're going to continue doing I feel like I'm coming out here and being like guys
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don't be mad at AI like you know you can be mad at AI I don't like AI as just like on a on a
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as on a principle but I understand that like what firefox is saying here as well is that
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it's out of the bag it's out there and there if they don't add some kind of features in a thoughtful
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way uh they'll be left behind and they are being left behind yeah I mean Vivaldi had that mic drop
77:37
where they were like here's our press conference there's no AI and then they like walk out a frame
77:43
and it's like yeah that's nice but you're like there's barely a Vivaldi yeah what's the Vivaldi's
77:48
market share you looking at ask AI I think it's like one percent but but firefox has gone from
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30 percent around 2010 to like I think it's four percent or so on desktop and across all platforms
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it's like two percent it's crazy yeah Vivaldi's like but like I also want to say the AI overview
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though I don't know maybe you know I I feel like there totally could be a future where Vivaldi or
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whoever is like hey all these browsers over like they're been overtaken by AI slop where the browser
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that doesn't have any AI where the human browser and like it you know people go for that because
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of that like that's their marketing angle you know and then if that becomes popular cool I just feel
78:31
like I don't like the jumping I didn't like the thinking that firefox is adding AI for the first
78:38
time when like you guys say that you're firefox users but you don't even know what the browser is
78:45
and and B like you know this is this is where we're at now I don't know and I think it's important
78:50
to understand like all of our various perspectives as we come into this like you know I'm both a
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business owner as well as a creative like I don't use AI for writing not because necessarily it's
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out of principle I can recognize how it could be useful for some people I just don't need it
79:09
um and I don't feel that it I don't feel that it makes even if it makes something that I'm writing
79:16
better what it can't do is make it more me at least not at this time you know if we could
79:23
train an internal LLM on every script I've ever written or edited maybe it could maybe it could
79:28
literally like perform some manner of like editing for me but a big part of how my brain works is
79:33
just like being kind of ADD and going in a different direction all the time you know Luke's
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coming at it from he manages a team of developers where AI assisted tools have been just like
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a thing everybody been doing it for a while for a long time this is his old you know Riley's
79:52
coming at this from a very like creative minded headspace as well so we're all gonna have wow
79:58
what I think I'm creative I think I think you're very creative Riley go on and anyone who anyone
80:05
who's watched your creative sponsor reads which are literally called that uh CSP creative sponsor
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okay placement I was just doing a bit we don't have to I don't know what the p is I was wondering
80:17
creative sponsor production all right anyway the point is like this is our perspective and you
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don't have to share our perspective but what you're going to have to kind of come to terms with is
80:29
that everybody is going to have a different perspective that is motivated by their own
80:33
personal interests and the people around them and what all of those things are going to need to mesh
80:40
with is that it's here it's happening the steam engine is not coming back you know the ice box
80:48
harvesting the ice from a cave or whatever refrigeration happened and we're not going to
80:54
do that anymore technically people still do that oh yeah people still ride horses too yeah but it's
80:59
a thing that people are very passionate about and they very much do but is not just like tiny you
81:05
know one two three bit studios that just like the process and want to do it and they do it and
81:12
that's fine just want to jump in I don't think luke meant like two bit studios like like crappy
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no I mean amount of people cool yeah yeah so thanks for the clarification because yeah it has
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kind of like a negative connotation oh yeah no I meant in a actually very positive connotation
81:30
I'm thinking again of team cherry I get it I got it three people yeah amazing game I feel like they
81:35
usually goes the other way that was interesting I'm just saving us here I don't yeah I don't know
81:39
that one he saved you from something yeah it's good you were about to be canceled right away
81:44
expressly probably not as major as the heart our incident but I yeah I I feel compelled to point
81:52
out before I leave I'm gonna leave now I feel compelled to point out the like I've in my attempt
81:58
to beat to straddle the line between both the blue and the red here you know to be the the one the
82:04
only one who walks in both worlds like ghost rider played by Nicholas Cage I I feel like I come off
82:11
as like two pro AI and I feel like I am very much in the middle life the way I the way I see this is
82:17
like alcohol legalization like or legalization sir most prohibition won't work yeah it's not
82:25
gonna work like it has to be legal so that it can be regulated regulated we aren't regulating well
82:33
and it won't be but I just feel like you can't put the cat back in the bag but we also don't have
82:39
to yell at the cat for being out of the bag you know every time it shows its face we have to be
82:43
like okay the cat is here I don't like cats but I'm not gonna the right thing I don't think either of
82:48
us are particularly like pro AI usage to be clear just I don't think any of us are now that way
82:53
yeah no I mean I think I brought out perfect centrist I think I brought up my open AI account
82:59
on stream a little while ago and I had like three or four chat Windows with it like it's
83:04
I don't use it but I also you know it's in the same way that okay we did an AMD ultimate tech
83:13
upgrade where one of the first things that we did was make a joke about how Colton's brother-in-law
83:19
has kind of serial killer vibes and then we went down to his garage to find a shovel so that we
83:25
could do a take of me talking about because he works for our customer service and I was saying
83:30
you know when you when you contact us he'll make sure you get taken care of and so we went to find
83:35
a shovel so he could be like patting the earth behind me as I did the line and in his garage we
83:40
found a tool that had a handle kind of like a hammer and then on the one side it had a hatchet
83:50
blade that was sharp on the end and on the bottom so it's like a two-sided like hatchet blade
83:56
and then on the other side was a meat tenderizer and so I so I found that that tool like processing
84:04
game couldn't tell you okay and and what I realized was it's for murder that's a really
84:11
that's a really interesting tool that could maybe be useful to someone it has the potential for great
84:17
misuse and it's not very useful to me and that's how I feel about AI you could use it for ice carving
84:24
it's like a it's like a hatchet meat tenderizer sure yep yeah yeah and you know hey power to the
84:31
hatchet meat tenderizer users if anyone knows what that tool is by the way I'm like super interested
84:38
to know I have to go okay thanks for joining us this was a much less chaotic experience than the
84:45
last time I crashed you guys yeah um so have we grown up with that is that good or disappointing
84:52
I uh it's both I feel like I like discussions but I also just like disrupting you okay well godspeed
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bye oh it's not the best for the audio I mean okay fantastic it didn't look like this quite
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but this is sort of the this is sort of the idea I think the tenderizing axe the tenderizing axe
85:21
that's wow and it sounds like a super weird like it's good band name yeah actually I like that clown
85:31
metal um anyway we should do sponsors maybe uh let's do our cw announcements oh we have cw
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announcements and sponsors after that it's the magical it's time of the year hooray where the
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are back for a very short time we we found like a thousand of them in the warehouse
86:28
they were sitting there all this time I don't know how do you just find incredible amounts of things
86:41
it is a significant source of consternation for me this is this is ignorant I've never
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done something like that but I just I just don't like I might find something in the back of some
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closet I haven't gone into in a long time or like you know that that box of like right
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keepsakes from high school right but theoretically we digitally track our assets
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but yeah how do you lose a thousand screwdrivers oh it was more than a thousand I just said a thousand
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is it more than two thousand I don't think so so it's so just for argument I'm rounding let's say
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1200 sure let's say that that's a lot of dollars of things oh yeah yeah I wasn't like stoked to hear
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about it but I was stoked to have you know a cool little drop for for people for the end of the year
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so uh do you want to fire up the the site we can show people where to find it just to be clear guys
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this is the same coding that we had before so it will have the same chipping issues
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that the original coding had if you do not like things to patina then don't buy it place place
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don't buy it um but if you if you do like that then then that's great and I would you know love for
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you to love it I don't know I'm just trying to find I hate the way that I see it chromon Android it
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just opens up a news feed instead of just taking me to the last tab that I was using and you have
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to like click continue to this tab I gotta find that setting and turn it off assuming that it is a
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setting um oh wait is it is it on the site I don't know uh uh oh did did anyone check I don't see it
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uh oh it's like on the home page
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okay no one put it in the screwdriver category okay well we could maybe fix that yep yep cool
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all right sounds good uh oh is it only on the uh global site I mean that would make sense I checked
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on both uh it is for sure on the front page though so that yep okay cool uh well apparently we
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to you on january 1st 2026 or thereabouts oh it's also on the us site how is it on the us
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while i just check something sure um i'm good thank you very much the RAM pocalypse continues
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as RAM continues to rise as RAM prices continue to rise del Lenovo and framework have all announced
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price increases and other changes due to dram shortage framework investment disclosure for
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mr Linus Sebastian says their DDR5 memory configs for their diy edition laptops are going
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to go up by 50 with possible plans to increase by even more later on del sent an email to internal
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employees informing of price changes including their del pro and pro max notebooks going up
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oh between 520 and 765 dollars for the 128 gig version or 130 to 230 dollars for the 32
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gig models with trend force even predicting that del and Lenovo may be going backwards
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and limiting devices to only have eight gigs of RAM and smaller storage community
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uh discussion question good luck everybody how do you stay excited about tech it seems
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like it's bad news after bad news uh whether it's hardware pricing shifting subscription
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based models or even frustrating video game news what keeps you motivated to make tech content
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well uh that's the world i think um i think it's bad bad news after bad news uh whether it's
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pricing of things everything in the world searching to subscription based models or just
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frustrating news about the things that we like uh i'm gonna i'm gonna come in here with a hot take
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that may actually end up being a full video on the channel because this is gonna this is gonna
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ruffle some feathers oh boy but i think that we in as tech enjoyers might just need a bit of a
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perspective adjustment huh in the grand scheme of things and maybe this is again i'm coming at it
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from my perspective right as a 90s kid a gaming computer was like started at thousands of 90s
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dollars and today today in 2025 dollars thousands of dollars will get you a sick gaming computer
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even in the midst of a rampocalypse there are other challenges that are putting pressure on
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disposable income uh yeah i mean you can say it sucks but like if you compare it i don't think
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saying we need a perspective adjustment makes sense though when when people's incomes are lower
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relative to costs when things that are required for living like health insurance housing um food
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all those types of things those costs are going way up a hundred relative money to spend on things
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is significantly lower so we don't have the the luxury of spending that much on a on a for fun
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computing device so let me may have had in the past let me expand on my point sure here's another
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big difference compared to when i was a kid when i was a kid if you were using a computer from 10
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years prior it was literal garbage it was but now you can you can play uh relatively modern games
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like i i have told the story a few times or forget which game it was it might have been
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our creators but i've been telling the story a few times about uh the son of a buddy of mine
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who's playing on a 2500k and playing some modern game i don't remember which one it was um
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so so here's the so so that's that's the thing is a kid of RAM way too expensive right now
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am i paying so here hold on let me know you're making that video because i've been refraining
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talking about the thing you're making that not the one you just mentioned but the the one i
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messaged you about the marketplace one um possibly it turns out it might be stale already ddr4 prices
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are skyrocketing and more importantly um like am4 x3d chips are skyrocketing apparently 5800
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x3d's are going for like figuring this out i just was hoping we'd make the video before that but
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so right now a 16 gig kit of RAM is around 200 us dollars what that means to the budget for like
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the 550 dollar gaming pc that we built a little while ago that we did a video about with an arc
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a GPU and a reasonably priced CPU uh kind of value power supply is that you'd probably be adding
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about 100 to 140 dollars to that budget so today in the midst of the RAM apocalypse you can still
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build like a high end 1080p mid tier 1440p gaming pc for like 700 dollars which is a lot of money
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and stuff but compared to just about any other hobby tech and gaming have been more inflation
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proof like name one name anything yeah this was this was a really interesting conversation around
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yeah uh the price of video games going up yeah this is like is it really it's just i i don't
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know i can fully understand people still being frustrated you're right 100 i think what you're
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saying is fair but people's ability to buy it is still non-existent so it like doesn't really matter
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well hold on like it can be as reasonable as it wants if i don't have the money to buy it it's still
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annoying hold on hold on hold on because like yeah but you also don't need to buy something brand
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new which is something that we have talked about so much on this channel so that's where
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but then you're saying price increases for those things are happening as well uh yes if you go
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after like the hottest items so if you want to buy like a 5800x3d sure but if you know what to look
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for but if you know what to look for which is what we're here for right i feel like ddr4 RAM
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though you're not really looking for specific parts everybody's just going to search ddr4
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um it i don't know it's that it's the RAM that's as bad as the way that the
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accompanying components are also going up so i need to i need to look into it some more
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this is this is one of those ones that we've like we've kind of scrummed what we basically want to
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talk about but we haven't sort of nailed down what the exact concept is for the script i mean i can
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tell you this much a second hand kit of ddr4 is definitely going to cost you as much as like
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60 to 70 less than a brand new kit of ddr5 which is a significant savings that is a meaningful
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still like right right i don't know if it was right when but like relatively short after the
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announcements of these like RAM issues uh if you went on like stuff like facebook marketplace
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whatever you could get a lot of ddr4 for not a lot of money uh so many chat talking about ddr3
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you're starting to get pretty old no i wouldn't go back to ddr3 yeah i don't i also don't think
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it's necessary to go back to ddr3 uh it depends where you're at and stuff fire pandas ask watch
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ask where are you pulling that from i'm looking at ebay right now um so yeah i don't know i think
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it's um i think it's one of those i think it's one of those things where we can look at what's
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going on where we've got the the covid crypto winter you know so we had the crypto winter
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which was exacerbated by the covid silicon shortage and then we had uh basically a multi-year
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sort of recovery from that that as soon as it happened literally i think it was three weeks
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two or three weeks after we recorded the msrp pc video but we were like holy crap for the first
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time in years you can buy a pc where every component is at msrp the RAM shortage hit right
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and so we can we can look at this and we can go oh well building computers totally sucks and we
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should never do it again yeah i know um or or hear me out just a second here
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if we actually track compared to quite literally anything else right like look at what a board game
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cost i think i just i i don't even necessarily disagree with you but i i would be remiss to
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not point out that it doesn't mean it doesn't suck it doesn't mean that it's not going to push things
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out of acceptable ranges for people of course it doesn't suck or of course it of course it sucks
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it totally sucks i just i think your opening of like people need uh whatever it was reality check
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or whatever it was so it's just not uh it's more that i i wish people were a little bit more
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appreciative of the work that goes into keeping these things as affordable as they are we did
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that recent tour of kyoksia their fab holy anytime you see a fab at all it's just like dude how the
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hell do i buy one of these things for the amount of dollars that i get it for it's crazy it's amazing
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and so i'm so basically what i'm doing is i'm i'm coming fresh off of off of the the actual
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like literal miracle like the wonder of the world that it is that we can make a microprocessor at all
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and then i'm going over into like i'm so angry that the five hundred dollar computer is now
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seven hundred dollars when a five hundred dollar computer is a miracle in the first place and so
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is a seven hundred dollar computer that doesn't mean you can't be annoyed about like constant
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extreme collusion and all these other things going on but it is still yeah it is still neat
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that our hobby is surprisingly cheap and the fact that the fact that over the last several years
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we've gotten to the point where you literally do not have to give microsoft a hundred of your
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dollars on top of all the hardware you bought anymore Linux that's so cool like can we just
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can we just take a breath for a second it could be and look at the positives it could be interesting
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to because i i think this event as hot as the used market has gotten it at various times it was
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mostly just for gpus i think this event is going to crank the use market for practically everything
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doing i've done some searching since i sent that message doing a scrapyard wars right now
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would just suck i think to be completely honest but i i think it'd be interesting maybe if we
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get the clicks but making a video on like how to try to validate hardware when buying stuff from
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a used market i've done it best you can no one cared no one cares i try so hard to like bring
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people to the like come on second hand water here and really good water here like i did that
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you just got a drink i did i did a video called i solved the GPU price crisis or whatever where
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basically i just like bought a 30 82nd hand and showed how to like you know what to look for to
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not get scammed and how to how to test it and how to validate it before you take it home and like
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and how to how to pick one that has like a transferable warranty and like basically yeah it was
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like a mini scrapyard wars of just like buying a GPU to absolutely bombed video bombed tank no one
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wants to hear it dude i was i was at willow yesterday yeah willow video in in langley based
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used place and i was i was showing emma like somewhat of this phenomena because we were there
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together i don't know if i think she's been there before i'm not sure but i was pointing out like
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look there's spider-man 2 for ps5 right there behind the desk all sealed or there's spider-man
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2 for ps5 right here on the other side of the counter unsealed and there's like a 30 something
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dollar difference it's the same game come on and people will still walk in there and just buy
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the new one it's like damn i can't i can't yeah i can't fathom it it doesn't um it doesn't compute
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for me yeah um something that you probably can fathom even though it does also suck
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NVIDIA reports a planned 30 to 40 cut in gforce GPU production in early 2026 it's being reported
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that NVIDIA plans to slash that production uh you know of course it's being assumed that this is
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because of the run on memory chips uh i think it's a lot more than that personally but okay
107:29
the reports come from the chinese board channels forum and news site bench life whose supply chain
107:35
sources claim that NVIDIA's production cuts will first hit the rtx 50 60 ti 16 gig and the rtx
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50 70 ti oh the ones that are like yep well the 50 70 ti is the one that like kind of makes
107:51
sense in NVIDIA's lineup very cool we've used it for two recent build guides NVIDIA could use the GDDR
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seven from those aforementioned mid-range cards to make more of their higher and more expensive
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cards and ultimately make more money that's uh for sure part of it uh discussion question
108:10
how might this indicate NVIDIA's pulling a reverse AMD by only manufacturing gaming GPU is focused
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on the top end of the market is that the future we have to look forward to what my ability to can
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oh i see very good
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i think they also just man don't care
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i think they they feel like a requirement to care about gforce because of i don't know pedigree
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history old times the the horse that got us here type mentality but i think it's a tenth of their
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revenue now when is the last time they talked about it in a way that is like we care about this a lot
108:59
we care about raster performance and gaming even last ces it was all just like how much ai
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enhances gforce yeah so why and then like look at how and you know i'm totally including myself
109:18
in this but look at how annoying we are compared to enterprise customers it'll just pay whatever
109:23
oh yeah and just want it as soon as they can get it and if there's like weird problems they'll just
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like work with you on the higher engineers to do that fix it yeah um enterprise customers that
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are getting crazy boku bucks investment dollars aren't gonna care and so they're spending someone
109:41
else's money yeah right a customer who is spending their own money is always which is going to be an
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order of magnitude more difficult to deal with than a customer who's spending someone else's money
109:52
yeah always and especially when they're spending someone else's money to make money for themselves
109:59
and that that is like a default for companies at pretty much any scale because you're an employee
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to company you're just spending your company money it's not as like you're not going to be as careful
110:08
with it but also especially at this scale where we're talking like uh hello yes i will take this
110:15
many like container fulls of graphics cards please um yeah just remember you know just try to remember
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a little bit on the hopeful other side of this um how different companies acted and then if you care
110:34
vote with your wallets uh zirgon asked an interesting question how much has your badminton
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inflated uh in compared to pc's over the time that you've been doing it so since i used to play
110:45
back at ncix badminton has gotten substantially more expensive rackets actually not too bad
110:53
so they have benefited from increased economies of scale and better mass production techniques
110:59
and and more automation probably not the birdies um actually shuttles are brutal yeah um so badminton
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shuttles are that's what i meant oh i see are being impacted by a major worldwide shortage in
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goose feathers specifically the ones off the left wing of the goose because the shuttle has to spin
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a particular way and if you use the feathers from the right wing they'll spin the other way
111:22
and also court time so i'm going to shout out some of my buds who run or work at some courts in the
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lower mainland when i got into uh when i got into badminton it was about 20 bucks an hour
111:35
to rent a court so ersc um where my buddy jason shum works uh they are now charging
111:44
30 that's weekdays before 5 p.m that is like that is like the garbage time the slow time
111:51
so it's 36 an hour so that's over a span of about so this would be about um the ncix times
112:00
just shy of 20 years so this is going back to like 2000 2008 or so why does it just say
112:07
what's up package oh oh yeah if you buy if you buy a bunch then you can get a yeah it's a slight
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deal that's honestly not that much i showed up my buddy ringo uh how much does uh does a court
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rental cut where the ringo where the heck is your court rental price wasn't that what we were just
112:23
looking at yeah it was a different site oh stringing service lesson faq where's your where's
112:29
your price ring go okay well i'm trying to oh court rental there we go all right it's hiding
112:37
wait i just call uh oh here we go here we go uh yep 34 bucks uh going up going up in january
112:47
clear one shout out my boy daryl uh let's see the yeah richmond
112:54
here we go so yeah 20 bucks has gone up to oh sure why not
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oh my god uh got uh rentals what happened here we go court rental 30 bucks
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uh and daryl's um if you can get a court there because he's really focused on training at his
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facility uh he actually runs the training programs for us at smash champs i would use smash champs
113:23
as an example but what's the point of that that's a facility that i control the pricing of and that
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doesn't doesn't have a long history but all of these places would have been closer to about
113:32
20 bucks an hour back in the day and a tube of shuttles would have been like 20 25 bucks whereas
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now um a top tier yonex shuttle is like i think approaching a hundred dollars canadian retail
113:48
for like goose feather so very few people are playing with goose feather and like the lower
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end ones are more like uh 40 plus you're talking a tube yeah yeah 12 12 shuttles yeah it's been
113:59
it's been absolutely brutal i was chatting with um a buddy who runs a bunch of clubs in taiwan
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and he's like yeah this is gonna this has the potential to kill our sport if it just gets
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too unaffordable would would people accept lower quality shuttles where are you talking
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the court rentals um navy rymar says shouting out a competitor is based i don't i i have always
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different view had a bit of a different view on competition i think that competition is healthy
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i think it is good for the consumer i think that you can have competition without animosity
114:40
i think that you can have friendly rivalry do i compete with ringo and jason and darryl yes
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can we collaborate yes there's also this idea that like if you all together make the sport
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of badminton more popular in the area you just all win this is the the whole rising tide thing it
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applies to so many different realms and people realize it's this is not um smash champs also
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isn't in really you didn't open one next door yeah yeah and why would i different market why should i
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yeah and i'll shout out my boy melissa whatever boy don't worry about it the point is umo pro shop
115:22
good shop we're competing with them hard we're probably going to go into e-tail and we're gonna
115:27
we're gonna compete with them online that's fine i can still respect the hell out of melissa's hustle
115:33
and and ideally you're bringing more people to space and we can both make each other better and
115:37
it'll be great everyone will be happy yeah and sometimes someone will not be happy and they
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will get out competed but i think then they need to they need to reflect they need to look in the
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mirror i i believe in healthy competition and if that's me then what i need to do is i need to
115:50
look in the mirror and i have to figure out how to do it better so yeah no i'm uh and i walk this
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walk in a lot of healthy competition environments people will help each other compete against each
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other often like it's because it's not about crushing the other party it's about doing better
116:09
and if you're all like just killing it it's very likely that your industry is just gonna grow
116:15
yes because if you're all actually doing that well it's probably gonna be an exciting place to be
116:20
for for consumers and everyone else there and your industry is just gonna grow and it's just
116:23
gonna be really good 100 yeah okay what do you want to talk about next i'm scrolling through
116:35
i can save my story time about nine bots terrible customer service for next week all right it's not
116:41
even terrible customer service their customer service was pretty good but i'm not happy with
116:44
the resolution we should talk about that but maybe yeah let's do that oh next week's probably also
116:49
not gonna be super long well we'll see how it goes okay uh my whole thing has changed i can just
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do it at the normal time it's fine okay you do whatever works for you
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oh what day of the week is it next week are we gonna be spending Christmas together on the
117:04
boxing day yeah 20 next year is Christmas day okay cool actually that'll still be fine
117:12
okay uh there's i mean there's the tech house plans there's a 3d printing farm uh oh
117:19
LTT sells fake ptm 7950 oh just kidding uh egor's lab published a review of our ptm 7950 titled
117:29
Linus tech tips ptm 7950 review original oem product or fake proud to say that we got egor's
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lab uh badge of approval it's the genuine article thanks for the extensive testing and also uh
117:46
the the writers of this included a quote which i also love so i'm happy they included this quote
117:51
this pad is from the edge of the cake among the ptm 7950 products not intended for industrial
117:58
showcases but fully fledged powerful and in practice at least as good as what is otherwise
118:05
lying perfectly cut in the display and sometimes as i knew even as a child these are the pieces
118:13
with the best bite i actually love tldr it's all good um yeah i exchanged a handful of emails with
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egor about this um you know from my point of view i i appreciate i appreciate his passion for the
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subject that is what i can say is you know if there was ever a concern that you had that there was
118:44
nobody out there like obsessively validating thermal compound you can lay that concern to rest
118:54
because egor is obsessively evaluating thermal compound sick i wouldn't have thought it possible
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to write a five page review of because it's it's just ptm 7950 like we just we're pretty
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i i think as transparent as we can possibly be i did not develop a thermal compound no i do not
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have the engineering and or manufacturing expertise or capital to develop an industry leading
119:27
thermal compound i accept that i i accept that about myself and my business acumen and resources
119:34
so what i did is i took a thing that exists already that someone told us was good and that we
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validated we thought was pretty cool too and then really smart people have told us is really good
119:45
and then we made a box really skinny box it's so skinny it is a skinny box it's a skinny
119:52
colorful too it's got orange on it we made it three colors we put it right on there yep we did it
119:59
yep go read it um and uh and so i wouldn't have thought that it was possible to write a five
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page article about our endeavors to put a box on a product that existed but he did it and with flare
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as uh as as luke pointed out maybe even with the minimum 16 pieces of flare
120:24
i thought it was pretty great and honestly it's a it's a fair enough question
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because apparently this is like a thing that it's faked often and it's like hard to find which
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is why we sourced it in the first place difficult to get it from the official company and and and
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all that jazz but we didn't um we we didn't source it from a fake source so there was there was no
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concern in my mind that you know we were selling fake ptm 79 50 um yeah but if someone's asking
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the question i appreciate that you gore answered it yep yep i mean i uh yeah that's good nice
121:01
and sick quote it's so awesome it's actually just a great read
121:08
are we talking about your wikipedia article in Floatplane chat right now yeah i didn't know
121:12
this was the thing yeah i uh i caught this earlier this week uh so someone attempted to
121:20
create a wikipedia entry for mr luke lafrenier um who was declined for not being notable enough
121:27
but i actually take no hold on a second i actually what's it actually which one's that
121:35
where's that one that that's what people said on reddit i actually don't see that in the uh
121:42
that's funny though hold on that is they do not show significant coverage about the subject
121:48
yeah yeah basically yeah pretty much based um however however however i actually i i think
121:57
that that might be a self promotion issue for you so one of the things that makes someone
122:04
notable is how often they've been covered in third party media but we've talked about this
122:11
a fair bit in the past where i will often get like spam to my inbox that's like hey we're
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publishing a list of the top 10 tech influencers or you know the top most influential people in
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in technology and media or uh social media or whatever um do you uh we'd love to include you
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that'll be five hundred dollars or whatever so uh i actually strongly believe
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that with a little bit of effort you are very influential with a little bit you're saying i
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could i could very broadly known by influence i think we just i think we just need to play the
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game i just think we need to play the game a little bit you know if it's third party sources
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that they need which is what i'm seeing here the only thing that i think they need to include
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is the handling of the the hard hard event and then you'll have infinite third party sources yeah
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well i mean you don't want your entire wikipedia article to just be like he's saved minus his
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company yeah but that's what that's what gets it through the door and then you can add the fun
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stuff what is it like early life rise to fame strife downfall notable controversies
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yeah controversy and then and then array one two three four five six
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i don't know i think that with a little bit of effort and i'm gonna throw this i'm gonna throw
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this back to the community a little bit oh no we could maybe you know we could maybe
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prod some publications or maybe maybe just uh you know get get some invitations get some
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invitations for interviews no no like being interviewed by people is important okay like
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i'm trying to remember because i i my initial couple of those the community tried to get me
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on there a number of times before they ultimately succeeded and i don't remember what the threshold
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was but it was also i was rejected for not being notable until such time as some arbiter of who's
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notable on wikipedia decided i was notable right i mean here's something that here's
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something that could potentially um that could potentially understand like if there's a wikipedia
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page for everyone then it just gets a little bit ridiculous yeah that's and that's fair enough
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yeah should we should we talk about the thing i don't i'm not offended by this uh talking about uh
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what you know the thing 30 minute warning this might not be the show i'm not even i just i think
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it's maybe not i think we do it the one after next week maybe dr gizmo says the thing so that we
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have more time luke 103 says yes we haven't done after dark crystal says crystal says thing
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i'm just saying i think there's not time i think we do it the week after next week
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i'm not even i don't think i'm but we have to do after there's merch messages i'm sure we have to
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do after dark and i suspect that might end up i suspect that'll either be a very short
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or very long conversation have people even have we even told people how to send
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merch messages yet no like this one crap this is what i'm talking about this we're gonna have
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time brother did i finish the rest of the sponsors good lord we do not have time this is not the
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to send a merch message it will go to producer Dan who will um probably this week mostly not
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curate too many of them because i do have a heart out in a little bit and uh i mean or you guys could
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hang and do some merch messages after i leave either way uh he will also maybe like respond to you
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of just throwing money at your screen you can throw money at amazing merchandise like our quality
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commuter bag or uh or a cool hoodie like the one that i'm wearing or a cool shirt oh luke's wearing
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the glitch shirt so you could go into your cart and you can be like glitch please and then you'd
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get a glitch shirt that would be quality Dan uh why don't we do one merch message to show people
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how merch messages work sure hey dearlo when considering the tech house were you afraid
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that having the easiest house would affect your ability to make entertaining and more quote on
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quote universal upgrade videos for others to watch no because um there will be in my mind the tech
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house is just the beginning in my in my mind we we we take town no in my mind tech small city
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interesting rv park oh in my in my mind this is just the first one
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so we want i wanted to it's just like i said at the beginning of the video i wanted to have
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something that is somewhat relatable that people could follow along at home a bit where we have
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to solve real world problems you know we're gonna have to be we're gonna fish wire up through
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through walls we're gonna we're gonna solve real problems whether we do it intentionally or
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unintentionally because like we might i'm honestly really excited for this we might pull a bunch of
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the drywall off to make it easier to run a lot of the wiring and then we might realize that
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oops we got to run another one and we're gonna have to figure that out we're gonna what if you
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find a mold then we're gonna have to solve that oh my so we're gonna it's gonna be challenging
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i'm not worried it's not going to be challenging enough but i did want one where i kind of had
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a pretty good vision of like what it kind of might look like and how we might tackle these
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challenges if this goes well if it's a huge success then i could totally see us doing
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something very similar with a condo something very similar with a more challenging house you
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know with uh with a rancher that's right on a slab where we have to like really dig deep and
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find solutions uh no i'm i'm super excited about it and i think it's going to be flipping awesome pun
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dark territory but um a school security ai flagged a clarinet as a gun and apparently it was
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supposed to do that a florida middle school went into lockdown after an ai security system
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flagged a student's clarinet as a gun sending police rushing to the campus for what they believed
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was an active shooter situation officers later confirmed there was no threat and the weapon
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was a band instrument carried by a student in a holiday costume the ai system made by zero eyes
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scans security camera footage for firearms and alert school officials and police despite the
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false alarm the company said the system worked as intended arguing that it is better to act on
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uncertainty than to risk missing a real threat a position the school appeared to support critics
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say that incidents like this highlight the risks of ai-based school security pointing to past cases
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where similar systems have mistaken harmless objects for guns and caused panic they argue the
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tools are expensive unproven and may increase stress and police confrontations rather than
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improve student safety sending a bunch of extremely high stress people with firearms into a situation
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where they think kids are being shot at because of a mistake well i support this because i just
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played hate the clarinet i'm just i'm kidding it was just a joke but we need to move on anyway
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hopefully it was uh called off before they got there um yeah anyways uh a former amazon oh you
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know what let's do this one next week too okay yeah i mean there's a lot of topics yeah i don't
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know what happened because i thought you message saying there was like none i did and i don't recognize
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a lot of these they weren't you say that every single week i do not say that every week i just
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say it a lot though every week that's not true oh there's no topics i have not seen this facebook
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one facebook has apparently tested limiting users to a maximum of two shared links per month
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unless they pay for meta verified uh links in only two organic posts per month if they're not
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verified users who hit the two link limit are prompted to subscribe to meta verified if they
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wish to share additional external links they are in the business of getting scammers to pay the money
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we talked about this earlier in the show maybe it's just more of that the trial currently focuses on
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a subset of independent creators and pages that are using professional mode notably traditional
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news publishers are excluded from this specific test for the time being though it is worth noting
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that in many countries um they can't share news on facebook due to attribution and compensation
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laws that meta doesn't want to deal with anyway okay cool that was all i had to say about that
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facebook sucks cool um let's move this one to next week i'm just going to highlight it
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next week this is weird sure go for it uh youtube is letting creators make playable games with a
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gemini 3 tool youtube is testing a new feature that lets creators build yeah uh the the project
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called playable's builder is launching as an open beta for select creators the tool works through
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a web app that lets creators describe a game in plain language with no coding required youtube has
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already been experimenting with small games on its platform since 2023 and added multiplayer
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support last year so this is an expansion of that idea with ai doing most of the setup work
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youtube says that the goal is to make quick bite sized games that viewers can play inside youtube
134:25
why on on desktop or mobile not full-scale releases think simple interactive experiences
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rather than polish story driven titles or console style games critics point out that while ai can
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help generate basic game mechanics making a game that's actually fun usually takes iteration design
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skill and human judgment because ai can create a game doesn't mean people want to play it
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okay okay so it's like really bad frog game i guess but you're blue now nice
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so it's gaming slop you are running in dirt so the name of the game seems oh that was it i
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can't tell what are obstacles and what are died yeah um okay well that was something
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uh cool i um i guess for me the big question is why yeah that's for sure that's my same
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question as well netflix tried games i don't think that worked out mm-hmm i don't feel like youtube
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needs games study zone my new task is to finish the WAN Show like what am i i do i check it off
135:53
achievement unlocked first steps my like biggest concern about youtube right now is that they seem
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to be pushing towards shorts quite a bit and oh god it's so much it's getting so bad are literally
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called by a lot of people like slop or brain rot or something else like that
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and youtube was always known as a like wholesome community platform that is awesome is questionable
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but definitely community no in a lot of ways i think it's seen community and wholesome i think
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have a lot of paired connotations this is my homepage right now an ad it is more than half
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shorts two live streams five shorts that's all that's above the full zero vods i get three vods
136:39
one of which is an ad so that i can shop i get this youtube playable garbage stupid then i get
136:48
another live stream finally a vaude and oh my god i got rick rolled that is the first two no no no
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that's a mix these keep coming up as well more shorts it's a mix it's different more ad the rick
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roll is like something different it's not like a video full width ad like this sucks and i'm
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worried that youtube is going down a not good path in regards to i've raised this it's it's like
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future legitimacy i've i've raised this i've uh the ability for outside companies to
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encroach on its part of the internet i i i um i can't raise this any more often than i already
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raise it you're dumping mud into your own moat like
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how about just let someone else be the brain rot platform and you can i think you can have
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shorts on it i don't think shorts existing on youtube is the problem i think it's the promotion
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level of them make trying to make it the primary part of youtube i think is actually a very very
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bad idea um yeah so the point where if you really want to do that i almost think it should be a
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separate app anyway i'm trying to do too much you're trying to be a gaming platform you're
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trying to be v shorts platform trying to be a live streaming platform trying to be a valid
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platform trying to be a post comment thing platform trying to be tv and what i mean by that is like
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old school tv um not the fact that it's on a tv to be clear um it's it's rough i have within the
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last like year i think i've never heard so much negative sentiment about what youtube is yeah
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and what i mean by that is again attaching to words like brain rot ai slop things like that
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i've never heard that type of stuff generally people are very positive about
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what youtube is and might be very negative about things that are on it or how aggressively they
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monetize it sure something like that but youtube at its core everyone was always very positive
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about and then that is now changing and that's a and they resisted the urge you know back when
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vine was a thing youtube resisted the urge to just be vine or be snapchat or be you know whatever more
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digestible rapid fire content was you know they didn't have to add you know DMing they didn't
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have to add you know short form vertical videos that you can swipe through they they really didn't
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have to add this game they really didn't have a lot of of extreme addiction actually extremely
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bad for you things yes people would spend way too much time on youtube whatever and yes that was
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their business model and still is for sure but there are rather extreme levels of manipulation
139:53
when it comes to short form content which is like actually bad for your brain and like extremely
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hijacking dope and numeric blah blah blah things that i don't understand go watch someone else
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talk about it i don't anything about medical stuff please don't hate me uh it's it's yeah there you
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go but it's it's it's they're not they're not like good for us shorts are highly questionable as a
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thing and algorithmic tuning too was was something that i feel like they were more thoughtful about
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in the past i remember having a long conversation with them back when you remember that trend when
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it was just red hot knives cutting through things was like half of the stupid videos and the other
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half were like how many how many m&m's can you flush down a toilet yep and i was basically like i
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talked to them i was like look i'm not just sitting here whining and moaning because you know my more
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technical actually requires a little bit of cognitive load content is like getting fewer
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views right now obviously that's a concern for me i do wish to be promoted uh you know on the
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platform right but if your bar is going to be that anything that doesn't get the click through
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if you are this platform now gummy bears in a toilet or or red hot knives cutting through
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watermelons or or pieces of feces or you know whatever whatever it is if i can achieve that
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level of click through then i just like don't get my videos served is that going to be good
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for your platform in the longer term is that going to be good for the creator ecosystem that you're
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trying to build where people can have predictable stable performance that allows them to hire people
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and build businesses is that what you want and i feel like they've lost track of youtube felt
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like it was being built for the forever and right now again over the very relatively short period
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time maybe a year somewhere around that it really feels like they are it's been rough diving extremely
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hard for the short term which is not a game they even need to win they were effectively 100%
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of the market share of the forever video platform win that you already had every eyeball of everyone
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on the planet basically you know how they they stopped reporting like user change because it was
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effectively population change yeah like dude you won please don't grasp defeat from the jaws of
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victory it's not necessary and you can still not do it in other news the chat gpt app store is here
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open ai has opened up app submissions for chat gpt letting developers publish apps
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that run directly inside the chat bot and appear in a new app directory these apps can extend
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conversations by taking actions like ordering groceries building slide decks or searching for
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apartments without leaving chat gpt oh good developers can build apps using the apps sdk in
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beta and submit them through the open ai developer platform approved apps will begin rolling out next
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year and can be discovered through chat gpt's tools menu or triggered directly in conversations
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for now monetization is limited to linking out to external websites or apps while open ai says
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that it's exploring future options like digital goods all apps must follow safety and privacy
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rules that shouldn't be too hard with clear data disclosures and easy ways for users to disconnect
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canva expedia spotify and trip advisor are already available with app integration although the new
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store is being launched with an open call for developers to put new apps on the platform
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cool um i really just don't want to talk about that so why don't we do some rich messages yeah
143:36
sounds good
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ham netics says number one selling out girlfriend no way is that true
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no it was a mrs uh krabapal honk uh they're calling me a goose
143:51
this is this is why i have to play on my phone the whole time and the way it takes too long
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okay yeah i got a couple here for you let's see hey Dan tell Linus and luke i say hi uh calder
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says hi technically you did that yourself i recently programmed some automation dockers
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and without chat gpt it would have taken four times as long are there any better ways to
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learn to code or my stuck with chat gpt luke's face
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i can i can feel the the cringe from here man i mean uh man i really enjoy this person's channel
144:36
sometimes when they release videos because i think there's big gas between them but i might be wrong
144:40
i might just not see them that often but um basically homeless we've talked about him on
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my show before yeah i'm certain he had a video out recently that i i thought was fantastic
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which is this one i tried switching to Linux for yeah there's some big gas for new videos okay i'm
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not crazy um the i tried switching to Linux for 157 days very interesting video uh fun ads um
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used to youtube premium so whenever i see ads on youtube i'm like what that's not allowed yeah um
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but yeah great great video in general go watch it but um one of the topics that he brings up
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is that the accessibility of running Linux is actually kind of a lot higher thanks to if you're
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like hey i'm having this problem and it's like oh just copy paste this into command line and you're
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done and it's like oh cool command line's a lot less scary and i mean there's questionable things
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about letting you know ai run your command line but a command line is a lot less scary when you're
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just you don't have to learn what every little part of the command means when you're just copy
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pasting it um it's a it's a very it's very interesting video check it out um and in the same way this
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makes it easier for you to do what you're doing but it's questionable whether you're actually
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learning are you actually learning actually learning coding yes i and if your goal isn't
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necessarily to actually learn it okay yeah you can also prompt things in a way where you make it
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like you know don't actually give me the answer yep just like you like you can make it try to
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teach you but it won't do that by default no and i think the vast majority of people are not using
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these things in that way so like if we're being realistic um in a lot of ways it's actually stopping
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you from learning the thing and again that might be okay depending on your objective um but yeah
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i mean there's who's ringing uh that's me sorry um it's it's um i don't know there's lots of
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there's a what's that one company i've heard they're cool they do like larion yeah um no it's i
146:48
don't remember what they're called but they do there's like a very gamified way of learning to
146:52
code how pathetic is it that i'm sitting here struggling to think of another cool company
146:57
oh the ones that have the kind of like friendly cano do they still exist maybe that's it i don't
147:05
know a lot just said boot.dev i i don't know much about them i haven't used their service i've heard
147:10
about this one i've heard they're cool this is the kid version i think i was thinking of boot.dev
147:15
but i think this is the kid version okay just scratch have like a learning thing i think it does
147:21
but that's a little that is that's a little before programming it is very intro but if you
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haven't done any learning yet on programming scratch is really cool you can actually do some
147:32
surprisingly good things to scratch um i think it's turning complete
147:39
but so it's powerpoint sponsored by boot.dev before okay i don't know i don't pay that much
147:44
attention that isn't why i brought them up to be clear but yeah i think it's kind of a need idea
147:54
to to make it kind of a game so that it's fun especially if you're doing this just for fun
147:59
i know we've done spots for boot.dev yeah i just didn't remember
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coden game somebody said coden game i don't know yeah there's like
148:09
near infinite ways to learn how to code these days there are so many different services that
148:13
you can subscribe to that have cool different angles on it there's tons of free information out
148:20
there there are youtube tutorials more than you could possibly imagine with dynamics there's
148:26
everything yeah go for it that one that was like the 11 hour godot tutorial amazing video incredible
148:33
unlimited knowledge yeah all right any long-term plans either partner or partner with or create
148:40
your own brick-and-mortar presence for LTT Store products if memory serves did microcenter have
148:45
the screwdriver for a while how about a best buy um retail partnerships are tough because
148:52
this may surprise you but retail um requires significant margin on the product that otherwise
148:58
we could take for ourselves um and retail also has a lot of baggage uh retail especially with
149:08
relatively small entity like us will demand very challenging purchase terms um so they'll
149:16
pretty much say yeah we'll pay you when we feel like it um any returns you will simply
149:22
eat them we will just destroy them we will not bother to return them to you and things could
149:28
be returned for reasons as trivial as a little dint on the packaging and um
149:36
yeah like it or lump it and if we had the kind of clout that we could negotiate a better deal
149:44
than that or if we had really deep margins on our products then we'd be able to absorb that
149:49
but there's a reason that the direct-to-consumer model works um and so we we looked at it pretty
149:55
recently and based on sort of our anticipated we haven't talked to anyone about the specifics
150:01
but based on our anticipated expectations for the margins and the and the oh yeah loss too
150:08
like there's a lot more theft in a retail location than there is in a secure warehouse
150:12
somewhere um and they're not going to eat it we're probably going to end up eating that too so
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that one i don't know for sure but i do know the other ones at the point is just that
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it's um we we did the we ran sort of some preliminary estimated numbers and we compared
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that and it would probably cost us less to just subsidize shipping on our key skews versus to
150:35
give up the margin and overhead of having them in retail there's a reason the detail is competitive
150:43
yeah oh i line us in luke do you think we will see another in another couple years of game
150:48
performance stagnation because the user base will be running older hardware longer
150:52
like what happened during covid i.e ps4 and ps5 um the performance stagnation is an interesting
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for me it's it's it more comes down to because there's always a cycle right with with consoles
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and you're going to see a new console is going to come out that's going to push the boundaries in
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terms of what game developers can can build to run on it and then for a while there will
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be pretty much no point for any cross-platform game targeting anything other than sort of
151:26
approximately that but plus or minus some bells and whistles um and then you'll get a new console
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and there will be like kind of a two to three year leg as games that were actually started
151:37
development targeting that console start to come out and then you'll see sort of a benefit to having
151:42
a higher end pc there so that that's part of it but the other part of it is that for i feel like
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almost kind of two super cycles now we've reached the point where the gating factor is just how much
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bloody work it is for developers to build bigger and bigger games you can't just expect a bigger
152:02
prettier game every time unless the company is you know rock star whether it will spend literally
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the better part of a decade working on a game i don't have hundreds of millions of dollars you
152:11
know i don't know if you want to say it's a bigger game but uh looking at again embark studios for
152:16
for art graders in the finals um those games run really well actually and like look pretty great
152:25
so it's still possible i think there hasn't been a ton of incentives for companies to focus on that
152:30
in a long time yeah that's true and that might be changing a little bit maybe potentially i don't
152:37
know RAM i was wondering what the impacts on chrome like does chrome development change a little bit
152:42
because of RAM limitations right like if your product just isn't competitive because uh the
152:48
install base i would rather use some other browser that's less memory hungry i don't think that's
152:53
going to be enough to destabilize chrome just to be clear but it's it's just an interesting
152:58
thought experiment of like we're we're hearing companies significantly limiting RAM on devices
153:03
like i wasn't wasn't wasn't one of them limiting to eight gigs eight gigs in 2026 bruh dang yeah
153:10
that's not great like that's i can get chrome to eight gigs real fast there's also man another
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major factor is that the lead times on all this stuff is so long that if i was starting the
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development of a game today i wouldn't even be accounting for the RAM shortage nope by the time
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i release my game the RAM shortage will be in the rear view mirror so yeah and and then anything
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that was already started is going to be wasn't accounting for it anyways you can tune you can
153:37
optimize i i i don't i don't think that it will be a major factor i also don't think that your
153:48
even your premise um is is necessarily correct uh NVIDIA's gaming revenue is up 30 so this entire
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premise of that everyone's running older hardware so you know you know they're they're
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specifying ps4 and ps5 because games often target console performance they see they say older heart
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like what happened then no no they're saying it's happening now because of prices going up
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we'll be running older hardware like what happened during covet ie ps4 and ps5 yeah so so i don't
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people are not not buying computers right now they are and the thing that i talked about earlier
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where like i understand why people are angry that RAM is more expensive and that's totally valid
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but like buying a computer relative to everything else around us in the world is also
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more affordable than ever just like tv's tv's and computers have been
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shockingly inflation proof over the entire span of my lifetime to the point where
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i feel like we just take it for granted we can't so i guess maybe that's what i didn't explain
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very well earlier is that's maybe that's a better maybe that's the perspective adjustment we need
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is like do not take this for granted the fact that things are as good as they are is actually
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a modern miracle it could be so much worse we know it can be and we're looking for it to get back
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there we wish it were better but it could be so i think the i think that don't take it for granted
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thing is probably a stronger angle personally um all right last one i got for you today hello
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wan dot dl l i've heard a lot of debates surrounding msp's and whether or not they are effective
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what are your opinions on using an msp instead of doing everything in house medical services plan
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man and service provider i think is what they mean
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so like out of house it is i think what they're referencing
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i've heard places that have done it very effectively i've also heard a lot of stories
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of places switching to something like this and then being like oh no it's really bad and then
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trying to go back to what they had before but now they fired all their people so they can't get
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those people back because they've gone other places now and then things are just your tribal
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knowledge yeah um i think at large companies a mix probably makes a decent amount of sense
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okay comments in in chat really on we have an msp it effing sucks vanok working for an msp i want to
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die uh fox jicon i worked for a m msp nope uh yeah i think i think the like oh we can just outsource
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everything put everything in the cloud and nothing has to be local anymore ever even people um that
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whole idea didn't turn out as well as people hoped and there's a there's a there's a pretty big
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benefit to just having your own it people that understand your space understand your environment
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know your people and yeah and can adapt things well and understand the needs of individual people
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and like people who might be working in different departments doing specific things etc all right
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unfortunately everyone i have a heart out right now i've got to go and um and i got work to do
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nice yeah it's so weird when we do when early it is extremely strange my brain starts to shut
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down actually it's like not good oh it's like conditioned yes like we have not missed a friday
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WAN Show since like the start of covid lockdown yeah like it's been five years so on friday when i
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say the thing yeah which hasn't been said yet hasn't been said don't do it i like i have this like
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energy letdown that is like relatively extreme actually yeah i don't know how to not go lock
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up the building yep and like go home and sleep it's weird yeah it has happened where i've just like
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wandered for a second and then been like uh oh yeah i guess i'll go to my desk yeah well it's
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super trippy very odd yeah it's probably the same for a lot of them too actually wouldn't be surprised
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like if they're used to the wen show at a particular time in their times on just being like the ritual
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yeah because like i mean it's you know we're not like the biggest live stream in the world or
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anything but there's like probably a solid 10 000 people watching and i would say out of those just
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based on the names that i see a lot of a lot of regularity yeah there's a lot of people for whom
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the wen show is like part of their friday routine yeah it's just like yeah we'll try to get back
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to a more regular schedule it's just q4 and the holiday season and all that stuff will things have
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been a little wild yeah well we'll try we'll try and get things going for you and we'll see you
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again next week same bad time same bad channel bye