The WAN Show - Intel SLOWING DOWN Processors?? - Feb 12, 2016
Linus Tech Tips
·Linus Tech Tips
·2016-05-06
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all right my friends welcome to the W
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show we've got a great show for you guys today and by we I mean I have a great
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show for you guys today because while I will potentially have
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someone sitting in this chair in fact they might rotate in and out I am
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without my one my only my
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flame Luke today
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Luke is gone for
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today to a wedding not his wedding so I
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really didn't feel like it was that important compared to being here with me
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for w show but he insisted on taking a
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banked day for one of the days that he has already worked so what could I
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really say other than you vicious bastard how dare you I'm now Luke I'm
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the new Luke you're tall but you're not strong like
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Luke well not yet there are armor you
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can't get any closer to me but yeah we're not centered okay now we're a
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little more centered in the frame so yeah I'll have be having Taran join me today and probably some other people who
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actually know things about tech at some point um and then I think yeah without
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further Ado I'll kick off what we've got for our topics today so Windows 10
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according to an article from Forbes is apparently sending your PC's data to
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Microsoft although there has been some debate as to
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uh what exactly it is that's going on
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there I mean look at this guy I can't even figure out how to turn a laptop on although in your defense that one is
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kind of tricky to turn on uh AMD Zen based optons shown up in slides in a
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debate at CERN which is pretty interesting I mean it's not like it was
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so much of a stretch that AMD is probably going to have opteron products
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based on their Zen architecture but there you go now there are slides to go with them AMD's Polaris graphics cards
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will apparently make the minimum VR spec
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more affordable for everyone this just in new graphics cards will make higher
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performance and lower prices more possible wow that's really new news more
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at 11 did you just increase the size of my Tex really small well you're supposed
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to use your computer well I'm going to but you were just like leaning really
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forward also how do I get to it on my computer well you I don't know where the
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what the link is uh well oh for crying
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out loud Taran we'll do this while we roll the intro okay all right I got one
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more I got one more topic to uh to throw out here Intel according to tell chips
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to become slower but more efficient more at 11 Oh
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weird I sign as myself uh
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yes there can only be one caring are you going to talk about the uh gravity
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waves no actually I don't have that in the dock oh it's so cool you can talk
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about gravity about although I don't know enough are we still are they still
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hearing us yes they can still hear us they can still hear us because we don't
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have a very good audio control board well no they can hear us on purpose I
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can make them not hear us oh okay I always assumed that was a mistake on
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your part no every single time I can make them stop hearing us immediately no
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I I want them I want because Luke and I will often you know my good co-host and
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I will often chat while the intro is rolling and we'll pretend that we don't
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know that the audience can hear us and they'll be all like we can still hear you in the chat and it's fun it's it's
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fun to have fun but you have to know how that's really fun all right let's go
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ahead and uh a link to the dock still oh you still need a link to the dock oh you
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want to look at the dock I see all right
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there you go all right enjoy enjoy the dock yay so let's get into our first
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topic really quick here this was posted by tofu man89 on the Forum and the
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original article here is from Forbes so
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let's go ahead and oh what the hey we'll look at forbes's quote of the day and
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their interesting topics let's see if they suggest the topic we're about to
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look at no they don't interesting all right thank you for that
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so this is an article written by Gordon Kelly and that's the Windows 10 worst
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secret spins out of control there have actually been quite a
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few Updates this is very much a go go it won't let me open it as Taran it wants
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me to be luke then just sign in with a different account well I'm not Luke
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though that then that's why you click sign in I signed in well you're just
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you're with a different account I already did this there then you sign in
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as Teran well why do I have to sign in twice all right all right do your thing
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do your thing all right oh wait what it still wants me to be luke uh what yeah
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use a different browser oh for heaven s go all right so basically the gist of
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this article is that or the the claim that this article makes is that by going
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through a process that involved using a DDWRT if I recall correctly uh DDWRT
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firmware flashed router um the author
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well the author pulled from a post on
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some Reddit clone or something where the guy took that router and analyzed what
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was happening like how many how many attempts his fresh install of Windows 10
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in a VM was making to communicate and
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with whom and determined that many of those servers were indeed Microsoft
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servers in spite of the user having turned off as many of uh Windows 10's
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phone home features as was possible at
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least on the consumer versions I was wondering about that when I was
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listening to all this Barnacle stuff that he posted about how to disable it
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all I'm like how do you know for sure
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that it's been disabled yeah so now so
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okay this was a user on vote by the way
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I believe the original post has actually been pulled down deleted by user at this
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point um now I did read another very
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very interesting article in in response to this this was also posted in the
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lonus tech tips uh Forum post about this
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where another another author completely different site came out and said well
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hold on a second why don't we have a look at what all of this traffic is and
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it turned out that a very significant chunk of it was legitimate traffic
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checking in with Microsoft's activation server for example to see if you've
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activated Windows which is fair play um
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some of them were even requests to the npt time server uh or ntp whatever it is
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the were just requests to a Time server to check the clock and make sure that it
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was accurate which as far as my experience has been never works anyway
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so I just assume it didn't bother but uh that's a whole other topic of
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conversation and so that author determined that at least I think it was
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something like 90% of this traffic was totally legitimate traffic and part of
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the reason why there might have been thousands and thousands of requests in a
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short period of time would have been that because of the way that the router
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was set up these requests weren't going through so it would have been making
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repeated attempts okay so the drama
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continues and um Gordon Kelly from
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Forbes writes a follow-up article saying well you know what my point wasn't
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necessarily the thousands of communication attempts and what exactly
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was being communicated my point was if
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that you are turning stuff down oh apparently uh oh apparent apparently I'm
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peeking I'm sorry the point was that if
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they are turning if they are if you're turning all this stuff off then they
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shouldn't be sending out anything um so
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originally originally Microsoft didn't really respond to Gordon Kelly's article
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to the first one but they have since responded Yes yes I I I know I know I'm
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sorry I'm sorry about what um
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I just turned it down the peing oh the peeking what can't we have
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like an auto gate or whatever the heck it's called on here to we we have a
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compressor but it's hard it audio is a big pain in the ass
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yeah I can tell you that from having to work with it okay well I can I can check
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real quick and see if we've managed to fix it but it'll be hard to tell because
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I'm talking a lot quieter now so uh whoa
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yeah likes to shout all of his things
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all the time I'm lonus okay so basically
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yeah you know this actually has an indicator so I I I could have been a lot
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more careful and I'm very very sorry to the audience right there I I that was
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that was very that was a mean thing to uh for for me to do turn down for what
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yeah yeah thank you for that okay so
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anyway the drama continues and Microsoft has now finally responded to the second
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to the follow-up article and and said that sometime this year they are going
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to make it possible to turn off everything um I think we have a somewhat
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of a time frame for the Enterprise version but I don't know if we have a
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time frame for home or Pro users yet um
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but they recommend not turning it off
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and now to be clear I am not necessarily
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A tinfoil hat user you know I don't think that Microsoft cares what I ate
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for lunch personally I think they might care what everyone
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collectively is eating for lunch hence the anonymized data there is a lot of
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value to that anonymized data mining so I don't I don't think they care about me
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um but the problem here as the Forbes
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writer as Gordon Kelly has pointed out is that if you turn it off if you opt
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out it should be opted out it should be
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fully opted out and you should not have to send any further
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information so
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yeah I guess uh I I you know what here I
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want to hear from you guys I want to know if you care and you too you've just
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kind of sat there for now I mean I I have you have the dock yet I have no I
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have the dock I've been looking at gravitational waves stuff okay l so do
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you care if Microsoft do do you trust Microsoft to collect your personal data
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in a way that is not well can I finish the question to collect your personal
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data in a way that is not personally identic if iable and that is not
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ethically incorrect
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well I mean what data exactly cuz for
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something like a smartphone you kind of understand that it's a bit more public
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but on my personal computer um like I I I want I want
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privacy I want protection I want to be able to do whatever you know nefarious
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things I might get up to without Microsoft knowing about it even
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anonymous I don't know I mean if if any of you have read 1984 obviously bit of a
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different thing with Communism and all that but the the whole idea of my
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computer spying on me just kind of makes my skin crawl I don't like it I want to
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opt out completely that should be my choice yeah totally okay so riddle me
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this then why do you accept this on your phone well I I don't actually um why do
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you accept it more why did you even say that why is it that the phone feels less
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personal than the personal computer love I'd love to hear from you less personal
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yeah um well less
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private uh I don't know it's um it's it
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it it was really annoying to me when I first got a smartphone and you remember
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that cuz you gave me my first smartphone cuz I had a crappy Fisher Price looking
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phone he was literally not even using a flip phone he was still using a brick
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phone was awful um but like I don't know
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like they do make me uncomfortable I've just gotten used to it it's like boiling
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the Frog I mean every smartphone is basically a telescreen it's insane how
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much data they can track from you with a simple smartphone
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but I want my personal computer at least I mean I don't know maybe I just I'm not
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used to it yet maybe I haven't been boiled the Frog enough for my personal
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computer and that's what they're trying to do we've got some people in twitch
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chat saying because you use it in public so do you feel like because
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someone could be looking over your shoulder you're not in your own home yeah yeah yeah I I can see yeah maybe
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maybe that's the intuitive sort of idea that I'm getting here lead this leads
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really well into one of our other topics so I'm glad we're having this conversation but I want to jump back
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into the results of that straw pull do you care if Microsoft collects your data
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we've got a whopping 53% of you going
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with yes and 32% of you not caring and
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3% of you the correct or excuse me 15%
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of you going with the correct Choice which is of course turnip yeah whatever
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um you know what I I
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actually as far as evil companies go and
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yes I understand that this is this is kind of kind of dumb and that you know
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there's I I what I should be doing is spending all of my time you know VPN up
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and and turning off all reporting and creating custom you know custom firewall
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rules within my router to block any un I
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I installed Windows 10 and I left all
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the customer experience stuff on I I
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left it on default um if I'm going to trust Google with my data then I really
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think Microsoft is the lesser of two evils or has been the lesser of two
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evils over the last little while here um and I use so many Google services for so
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much of what I do even our company uses
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Google for our company emails which is
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like about as about as personal as
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anything about me actually gets really like the the innermost workings of my
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business um so I figure if Google's got
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it all then you know I'm just I'm almost
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kind of just waiting for the hammer to drop on all this like all these
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companies have all this information about you they haven't done anything super nefarious with it yet but maybe
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one day that we know that we know maybe one day they will I mean you know you'll
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get hauled Away by the secret police tonight maybe you know yeah we've got a
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lot of people talking in chat saying it's not as simple as a yes or no answer
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and I think that might be part of why we got so few responses to that straw poll
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because usually we get a lot more uh we've got people saying like well well
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just a second it depends what they're collecting I mean if Cortana or Siri
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wants to know when my appointment is um so that she can remind me then like cool
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or if they want to know my birthday so they can send me a little birthday wish
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or whatever I don't need that but well it's not about need it's about it's
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about making the user experience friendlier and that's what a lot of the
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data they're collecting is for yeah yeah yeah I mean but but the NSA also told us
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that they can you know they can be trusted to have our personal information
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and they totally turned out it couldn't be trusted y
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so and what if maybe they are totally trustworthy now and they have no
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nefarious intents they're just collecting this data to do the best
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things they can with it great customer experience and so on how do we know that
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won't change in the future we don't we don't we don't I mean you look at you
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look at how much Microsoft has changed in the last year with the CEO shift has
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it yeah I haven't noticed they're they're they're a pretty different
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company um and and I've heard this not just from you know media Outlets who
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read very different press releases I've heard this from people internally at
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Microsoft they're saying it really is different there so I mean that's great
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um but what that means is if you can have an if you can have a change for the
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better with a with a with leadership change and we're not talking like hiring
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an outside CEO he didn't come from outside the company we're talking an
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internal guy um so if you can have a change for the better by putting a
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different internal guy in charge I think you can definitely have a change for the worse I mean imagine if we put Taran in
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charge of lonus Media Group that'd be a disaster all of our videos would be about robots well maybe not all of that
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speaking of which do we have our our co-host what the the the yeah the no
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he's over there I don't want to even I hate that thing so much I don't want to
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see it ever again hey I actually I have this is this is a good opportunity for a
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straw poll because I found that the live audience is actually a little bit
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different than the uh than the vaud audience the uh the Youtube audience so
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what do you think of taran's Hosting
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improvements if you guys have cuz I think that he has done a lot better oh I
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got a lot of really good comments interesting note on the video that I
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just finished editing right now which is the fly cly smart ped scooter kick
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assist ebug like I'm less good of a host
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I'm like more awkward and the reason is the prompto was so far away because we
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had to get the whole bike in the shot that I could barely read it and saw I was awkwardly reading off the prompter
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like this and it just was awful also there's no good teleprompter software in
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the universe nope so that also sucks
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there might be something but it's like anything in the professional production
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industry where the the the half yeah the
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half decent one is like add two zeros almost worth it at this point though I
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mean if it exists you know what I think we do need to get a bigger prompter oh
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yeah cuz you're not the only one that has trouble with it's way too small I
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well I can far away well lonus is magical he will like do a one take or a
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two take for an entire video and it's like oh I have to make two cuts and then
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it's done you just start plopping on the graphics all right so actually really
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good feedback so far we've got 63% saying great mate eight out of eight um
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17% voting correctly for turnup uh 16%
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saying okay and only 5% saying bad if 5%
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of the internet thinks that you suck you're doing really well that's not bad
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well not the internet I mean this is a very biased poll I'm sure the more
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hardcore fans are the ones who watch live I I think I think that's fair but
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you know what I've also experienced is that sometimes the more hardcore fans
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have been the ones that have been more resistant to
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change it was a lot of the hardc that
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Obed to Luke hosting videos back when we initially did it I can hardly imagine I
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mean remember luk do you remember the first time you hosted a fast as possible
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awful they were like who is this guy why does he have a beard thing oh yeah like
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my hosting was awkward and also lots of yeah but we didn't even properly
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introduced me I wanted to put a lower third well they would have hated you no
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matter and L was like no you don't need to put your name on there or any
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information about who the heck you are it'll be fine and it was awkward it was
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awkward well okay they know me now yeah
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yeah yeah you know what's really funny too is Brandon is the only one who never
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got any Flack Luke got Flack you got
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Flack Ed got Flack people just instantly
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love Brandon and it's not just it's not just people watching our videos my kids
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like Brandon your cats like Brandon yeah like my son was really really shy
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especially at the beginning you never worked out of the garage right you
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joined us at the house so when we worked out of my house in the
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my son was young very sh did not did not
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like Luke didn't like pretty much anyone he's a big guy but would give Brandon a
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big smile that's so weird yeah it's bizarre he's just like a big teddy bear
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yeah he's not as big as he thinks he is sorry Brandon you're not that ripped
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you're not that ripped
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Brandon Brandon sucks quite on set yeah
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quiet on set quiet on set Brandon wa I I put that in the video where you say that
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that that'll that's coming up soon that's our that's like funny enough
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that's like our new favorite is we just rip on Brandon because he'll be like
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somewhere else in the studio and then when he goes to reply it's like don't
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quiet on set no we're doing a video Brandon yeah we're recording Brandon you
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can't say anything Brandon can't say anything back um so this is some good
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news for AMD uh Mr troll posted this originally on the lineus tech tips Forum
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amds oh you know what no let's not do this topic next let's do a different
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topic next because I had said that that last topic um it was a great segue into
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something was a great Segway never made segue yeah no no it's it's here it's
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here somewhere my Segways are better than Linus's uh I don't even need to do
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a poll my Segways are amazing speaking
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of whatever yeah something else here we
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that's not a segue so this was posted by Jaws on the Forum the our original
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article here is from deep.web all right
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and the headline here is pretty concerning turning your phone on is
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consenting to being tracked by whom so
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but but this is it and it's funny that we say this because you basically just
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said that you would be more accepting of
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that than someone tracking you when you're on your PC at home and you didn't
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know why accepting but you didn't even know why you said it because boil the
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Frog because boil the Frog but it's interesting that you might actually be
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more right than you would have even thought about and if You' thought about
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how right you were you probably wouldn't have said it because this is the
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argument being made um so Baltimore
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Police obtained an arrest warrant for Karen Andrews in 2014 arrests see it's
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happening in an attempt to find this person they used his cell phone yeah of
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course they did okay so they requested a pen register order from the judge
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expressing intent to locate Karen they used a hail storm to track the phone and
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never disclosed this wait hang on a hail storm yeah what do you mean a hail storm
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is that a device or an actual hail storm um okay so a hail storm is a machine
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that steals your phone's data so there's a variety of there's a variety of
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different ones oh is that like a stingray it it intercepts it like it
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acts like a telephone pole um yeah so it
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covertly intercepts mobile phone conversations in real time okay okay so
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they used a hail storm to track phone they never disclosed it um so basically
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it acts like a mobile Tower and attacks phones that connect to it it is
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indiscriminate and can easily end up scooping up innocent bystanders
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information so the Baltimore Sun reports that the police have used the technology
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4,300 times oh sure since 2007 I'm not
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surprised um a response to a discovery
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request asking if Police use a stingray was stalled until June 2015 and in June
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2015 a judge concluded the information was intentionally withheld from the
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defense by police violating legal disclosure
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obligations so they're up to some sneaky shite in
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the brief's first statement it states while cell phones are ubiquitous they
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all come with an off switch oh if a cell
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phone is turned on it is receiving signals from cell towers and sending
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signals back out to cell towers unless you put it in Airplane Mode right the
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cell site simulat yes
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the Cell Site Simulator used in this case took advantage of that fact in
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order to locate andrews's phone because Andrew and this is this is bolded in my
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notes because Andrews chose to keep his cell phone on he was voluntarily sharing
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the location of his cell phone with third parties it's like oh it's it's
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your fault you left your blinds open and we looked inside your house except that
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what they really have is a device that looks through the walls because no one
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else has this thing that can intercept cell phone signals with that said I mean
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and let's I'm going to play Devil's Advocate a little bit here it is the
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case that if you have the blinds open of
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your house yeah and someone a legal thing someone can see what they can see
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from public property not on your private property then you are not private would
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you agree that turning on your phone which it is true it is true you are
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inherently ageing to share information
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about your location with third parties
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would you argue that that air space is
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not private well are the signals encrypted
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or not no okay can you encrypt the
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signals not you won't have a way of encrypting
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everything I mean encryption has to be supported at both end points yeah and in
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flight and so it's it's not not not a thing at the I me I I I just just sounds
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ridiculous to me is all so and and
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remember it's it's not everything like you can enter your credit card
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information and that can be encrypted while it's being sent but we're talking
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about voice here yeah um I I think that's dumb I mean if I'm in my if I if
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I'm Alexander van Bell or whatever his name was not van Bell van Bell van Bell
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who by the way didn't invent the telephone yeah way to be an American
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about it whatever um like you're in your home making a phone call mhm and then
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you hang up the phone and the person answering in their home listening to you
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y and just because you have a fancy wiretapping device doesn't mean that you
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should be allowed to listen to my conversation I don't see the difference
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between picking up my phone and just leaving it on MH you know with the
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signal uh dial tone and well I mean if
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you pick up your phone and you just leave it sitting around and then someone
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hears something that you say but they're somewhere where they shouldn't have been
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anyway yeah but they're in a public space it's I I don't like any of this at
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all I just don't like it I don't want to have to like oh you have your phone
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anyway no it's like this is my phone so I will I will make the argument that
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even if the police didn't do anything illegal to uh to Andrews like even if
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they were in public doing public things um I would
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make the argument that they did something illegal to the cell phone
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carrier because they do actually pay for
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the exclusive right to use those bands now with that said we have a cell phone
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signal booster here in our office that's true that effectively acts as a little
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mini tower right here in our building and then translates everything in and
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out to the a nearby cell phone tower yeah but it's dumb it just it's
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basically a what if it wasn't well then it that that would be laws would have
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something to say about about that I would hope well the carrier wouldn't
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care so the carrier is the one who owns the spect mhm okay or well the carrier
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doesn't it's legal mhm it's legal for me to have that you think it would ever be
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illegal uh could somebody abuse this
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technology everyone in this complex could be talking on our booster could
27:14
they yes they and then we could tap in and be perfectly legal in fact our cell
27:18
phone booster had an issue with it last uh two weeks ago where our outer anten
27:24
our outdoor antenna was too close to our indoor antenna and it was causing an
27:27
interference Spike on someone else's mobile network so our carrier didn't
27:31
even know oh yeah um but they showed up and they were like hey yo you actually
27:35
need to move those and that was definitely interfering with the service
27:40
of other people around us who were not even on the same carrier mhm cuz our
27:44
cell phone booster is Carrier agnostic it actually works with every Canadian
27:47
carrier so someone in the next building over and the next building over there
27:51
because we got a Ballin cell phone booster uh with like Ballin antennas
27:57
because we had really we had really bad
28:00
yeah like we couldn't use our phones in the building um but that means that they
28:04
can have the benefit of our cell phone booster and we could theoretically
28:07
intercept and that would be legal I don't know okay but if the police the
28:12
kind of thing that should be if the police do it then maybe if they go
28:19
through the correct due process it is legal but I think the argument being
28:22
made here is that they didn't they intentionally didn't disclose it but
28:25
they're saying hey well whatever if you turn on your phone you should accept that third parties have your
28:34
location what's the next topic yeah I'll
28:38
try and find something that you'll like a little bit better okay uh so this was
28:41
posted by Mr troll on the Forum the original article here is from wccf Tech
28:46
AMD's Polaris graphics cards will make the minimum VR spec more affordable for
28:51
everyone targeting price points below
28:54
3.49 to deliver what would be a min
28:58
minimum minimum like a minimum recommended uh gameplay experience in VR
29:03
so this is something Luke's talked about a fair bit on the show and really VR is
29:07
his wheelhouse not mine but I do want to talk about this a little bit to have a
29:12
good experience in VR you not only have to run it a high resolution because it's
29:16
the whole it's the whole retina concept all over again it's like why is why is
29:24
1080p just fine and I can't see any of the pixels from like 10 ft away and you
29:29
know why do I need uh you know okay
29:33
that's a bad example um cuz it's closer to your face whatever the point is yeah
29:37
the closer it is the more pixels you need so you can't see so if it's right
29:41
here you need a ton of pixels they need to be really tiny also the uh in
29:47
resolution of your eyes increases as it gets closer to the center right so you
29:52
need to maybe what what do they have like eye tracking to put extra pixels
29:56
where your eyes are looking do they do that I think they do Luke was talking
30:00
about this I don't remember what are you looking at uh and balls apparently
30:06
what that's uh Nick Nick Van burkel okay
30:10
are we yeah get get out we should never have put that window in I know right all
30:14
right Nick it was like you feel that book and that's a full page spread full
30:18
page page spread you haven't seen that before yeah that get out of here right
30:22
get out of here um okay so another factor is that we always talk about
30:27
average f PS okay like that's what everyone loves to talk about I got 80
30:31
FPS average in Crisis 3 or whatever game it is MHM average FPS is almost
30:38
meaningless in VR because on a screen
30:42
when you get that chug or that stutter it's annoying it's not so jarring yeah
30:47
on a head-mounted display as you're moving around like this that's super
30:52
weird that jutter will make you feel motion sick oh for sure so what's going
30:55
to become more important is the minimum um frame rate yeah so you're going to
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have to you're going to have to reach a high frame rate which is also important
31:04
for smooth motion again so you don't get motion sickness you're going to have to
31:08
maintain that frame rate all the time and it's going to have to be at a high resolution so AMD is basically coming
31:13
out and saying their new Polaris architecture gpus will be faster and
31:17
more affordable thanks to their upgraded architecture making VR uh easily more
31:22
easily attainable for everyone which pretty much goes without saying and is
31:26
about like saying that NVIDIA's new graphics cards will be faster and more
31:32
affordable for equivalent performance and Intel's new CPUs will be faster and
31:37
more affordable except the same thing slightly faster slightly smaller except
31:42
welcome to CES Asos sometimes bigger if
31:46
we're talking TVs faster and bigger not faster and smaller smart guy depends on
31:50
what it is yeah sometimes bigger is better sometimes smaller is better
31:53
sometimes we can't decide I mean remember when phones wanted to be smaller and then bigger and then along
31:58
and then bigger again and then the thing that's not the iPad came along the NFL
32:03
whatever not not oh the surface yeah the surface um okay unless your Intel and
32:10
this was posted on the Forum by a person I just said I
32:13
think Intel chips will have to sacrifice
32:17
speed gains for Energy savings m d d
32:25
d but I don't I don't get it how's that different from just going back a
32:29
generation right uh well back a generation we didn't have as good power
32:34
efficiency or power consumption in general you mean from the power supply
32:38
or in the chip itself the chip itself how much power it requires from the
32:42
power supply so uh William Holt executive VP and GM
32:48
of Technology and Manufacturing Group which is basically like big deal at
32:53
Intel I mean what do they do other than Technology and Manufacturing
32:58
okay says that new techologies in chip
33:01
manufacturing will favor better energy consumption over faster execution times
33:07
and is calling it an end to Moore's Law
33:11
so um he discussed some new technologies at the international solid state
33:14
circuits conference in San Fran such as tunneling transistors and spintronics
33:19
and says look we're going to see major Transitions and the best pure technology
33:25
improvements we can make will bring improvements in power consumption but
33:29
will reduce speed so spintronics is
33:33
expected to begin to appear in commercial Technologies such as Graphics
33:36
chips within 18 months but Intel has not yet committed to tunneling transistors
33:41
or spintronics or really much of anything they're just saying hey look
33:45
guys be ready for your smartphone or
33:48
your tablet or your you know thin and light gaming PC to be more efficient uh
33:55
and consume less power and have longer battery life but don't expect it to
33:59
actually be faster very very interesting
34:02
so we've been going through a long period of time now where we've been
34:06
getting I mean it used to be oh man it used to be so awesome like within a
34:13
single architecture we would get multiple speed bumps that would give us
34:18
like 10 to 20% performance improvements it was freaking sick and when we got a
34:22
generational Improvement when we got a new architecture it was like it was like
34:26
bananas it was it it was the bomb like the the article on the release of the
34:31
Core 2 Duo on Anon Tech probably has
34:34
like millions and millions of views whereas like I mean we didn't even do a
34:40
review of one CPU release from Intel until like 3 weeks later and literally
34:45
four people complained like it's gotten to the point where we get these tiny
34:49
performance improvements but what we do get is better power consumption which on
34:53
the desktop most people and some people do but most
34:58
people are less concerned about and what they would really prefer to have is more
35:01
performance and it looks like that trend is going to not only continue where we
35:07
don't really get huge performance games anymore but it could actually get worse
35:11
where it's like the new chip that comes out is going to save me money on the
35:16
power bill here in the building but is not going to make your video render any
35:20
faster how much power does a CPU really use um like is it worth that minuscule
35:26
amount I mean compared to putting the lights on and heaters and which is a
35:29
great question at home at home I would say
35:34
especially here in BC where our power comes from falling water and we have
35:38
plenty of that which is basically free
35:41
um no it's no big deal however in places
35:46
where the power is coming from coal burning coal or um you know other fossil
35:52
fuels um then yes if you can change if
35:55
you can like let's say let's say as CPU consumes only 65 Watts okay uh if you
36:01
can cut that down by 10 or 20 or or or
36:04
25% then we're talking yeah that for the same or slightly less performance then
36:09
we're talking maybe 12 to you know 15 watts per CPU in your home does that
36:15
matter no no however for a massive data
36:19
center many homes let's say every home in an entire country had a computer that
36:25
was 15% more efficient you're going to save a lot more energy with just
36:29
different lights and more efficient Heating and insulation which isn't to
36:33
say that you can't do all of those things it's just to say that it is a
36:36
factor and if you're running a data center which you just brought up that's
36:40
the huge savings right there where you're running literally 100,000 CPUs
36:44
under Under One Roof but I'm thinking like cost spense to energy saves like
36:48
buying yourself a brand spanking new CPU from Intel to save something on your
36:53
power bill is never going to be worth it for most people it's going to be a lot
36:56
more worth it to get LED lights more
37:00
insulation um stuff like that that is a
37:03
very interesting that is a very interesting potential topic for a video
37:07
right there oh where we cuz I actually did this a long time ago um back when 80
37:12
plus gold efficiency rated power supplies first started popping up and I
37:17
kind of went oh okay so let's look at
37:20
this two different ways yeah how long do
37:23
you have to run this computer to to
37:27
justify buying a new power supply outright right
37:30
and how long do you have to run this computer to justify the more expensive
37:34
power supply versus buying a cheaper one if you were going to have to buy a power
37:37
supply anyway and in BC it was like
37:41
until the end of time right like the end of you know that that place in Chrono
37:45
Trigger where the old man is standing on the little island like that's how long
37:48
you'd have to wait um but in places like California where power is much more
37:53
expensive because I think they're buying a lot of it from us um or at least they
37:57
used to be um actually it didn't take that long it
38:00
took like 3 or four years mhm so I would be interested to know how many
38:05
generations back you have to go for a
38:08
full system upgrade to pay for itself in
38:12
a reasonable span of time like within the lifespan of the system like years
38:16
prob like ever like the further back you go the more reasonable it is to upgrade
38:22
yes right but I mean the stuff we saw at free geek was nuts like those power
38:26
supplies those two Mass it was amazing 350 power suppes were two
38:32
of them and it's like oh we have this tiny one that do the same thing for we
38:35
cheaper now and that's amazing um but where's The Sweet Spot yeah but but yeah
38:40
and like like you could also factor in improving the installation in your home
38:45
and changing the Windows to like triple paint or whatever um although really
38:49
what you you should have is like smaller Windows if you want to save on energy
38:53
bills um factor that all in as well I
38:57
don't know if if if it would be so easy to uh test that yeah we wouldn't be able
39:02
to we we wouldn't be able to look at all of those things I mean like I mean seal
39:07
up the cracks in your doors you know y stop the heat from escaping you know
39:12
just just go go nutso on it yeah very
39:15
interesting people are saying this is basic physics to be honest the same
39:19
amount of power will be used to boil water something something I'm sure that
39:23
is in response to someone else in twitch chat now that I read a little bit more
39:26
of it I don't think that really has anything to do with what we're talking about what I found interesting um when I
39:31
was learning about uh Bitcoin mining and
39:34
like C cryptocoin Mining and whatever is that the energy you use to power the
39:38
gpus being released as heat is like the same as just having an electric heater
39:43
right because it's thermodynamics so either you can use that uh energy to
39:48
heat up your room or you can use it to heat up your room and get Bitcoins which
39:51
is kind of cool although of course the equipment is very expensive and also
39:55
it's not worth it anymore so did you get a Bitcoin back in the day I
40:00
didn't get any Bitcoins you never you never you never mind one not Bitcoin no
40:03
not one not any yeah rock on all right our next
40:10
topic here is posted by Top Dollar on the Forum and the original article here
40:14
is from Computer World the Navy calls on
40:18
researchers to create firefighting humanoid robots that's
40:23
awesome that would be freaking awesome
40:27
something straight at of SciFi I mean this is one of those things where I
40:30
don't see this within a within a reasonable amount of time taking over
40:36
the role of the fire department and the people who work at the fire department I
40:40
don't see this as a threat to the firefighters jobs for heaven sakes no I
40:44
see this as a significant Improvement in
40:47
the safety oh yeah of firefighters in the in the much more immediate future
40:51
building's on fire it is in danger of collapse at any moment yeah I mean being
40:55
able to being able to Pilot just a firefighter drone walking around
41:00
in there would be awesome and I mean if they can build robotic arms that are
41:03
delicate enough for a surgeon to perform a surgery remotely then I don't think
41:08
it's unreasonable to expect to be able to build a firefighting robot that can
41:12
run in and grab someone and pull them out of a building now there are going to
41:16
be some challenges of course you're going to have to make it lightweight enough that it doesn't cause the
41:20
freaking building to collapse just by setting foot in it um now now ridddle me
41:25
this why humanoid because I think I have the answer but I want to know if they
41:29
say it in the article why they want it to be humanoid the context of this is
41:33
need to be or does it the context of this is the Navy so they want these to
41:38
fight onboard fires so I would imagine getting around on a ship is going to
41:42
require some pretty humanoid like characteristics because it's built for
41:45
humans already that's right that's why you build a robot humanoid and I mean
41:49
ships are expected to be in service for decades it's not like you know you
41:53
develop this technology today and in the future maybe you don't need a human one
41:57
maybe there's a rail that's designed throughout the ship that any that a
42:01
firefighting unit can fly around on or whatever but then you got to install
42:04
that everywhere and if it doesn't exist then yeah if you have a humanoid robot
42:08
it will go and do everything that and you can retrofit can do yeah you can
42:11
retrofit stuff with that so uh the US military's Office of Naval Research is
42:15
giving out a grant of $600,000 to a Worchester Polytechnic Institute
42:20
Professor to develop motion planning algorithms for firefighting humanoid
42:24
robots so the robot must be agile and
42:27
and able to move in tight spaces on a ship or a submarine
42:31
yeah I I love this stuff very interesting very cool very very
42:36
cool yeah this is the kind of thing where like you hear about it and then
42:40
you'd hear nothing for like 10 20 years
42:44
and then later they have a breakthrough it's like oh yeah I remember that hey
42:48
that I mean stuff like that has already happened on WAN Show Luke and I have
42:52
been doing wow for like two years now I think and we like we've had well no it's
42:56
a very small amount of time but we've already had stuff where we like talked
43:00
about it and then it turned into a real thing yeah which is which is which is
43:04
pretty cool pretty cool speaking of things that are pretty cool I wish um I
43:11
don't remember who originally posted this on the Forum unfortunately but it
43:14
was definitely there and this actually happened last week I think not this week
43:17
February 3rd yeah uh Microsoft acquires swift key is that bad that sucks why
43:24
does that suck because I love swift key what are they going to do to it to ruin
43:28
it nothing well that's exactly it they're
43:31
not going to upgrade it so Microsoft has entered a definitive agreement to
43:35
acquire swift key whose highly rated highly engaging Swift Key software
43:40
keyboard and SDK Powers more than 300 million Android and iOS devices let's
43:45
just have every company merge into one giant company that'll be great L the buy
43:49
and large buy and large super store so
43:54
um the swift key blah blah blah Swift Keys Tech aligns with our vision for
43:59
more personal Computing experiences that anticipate our needs versus responding
44:03
to our Command says Harry sham executive VP of tech and research they're looking
44:07
to also integrate swift key Tech into wordflow technology for Windows and
44:12
they're moving some of swift key staff to blah blah blah positions here and
44:16
there which basically means swift key which was awesome and so many people are
44:21
like lus why do you like swift key so much the stock keyboard has flow typing
44:25
I don't care about flow typing flow typing is crap swift key predictive text
44:30
is excellent and this is a a mini cupcake which is also excellent thank
44:34
you uh thank you very very much both of
44:38
you what's the story here this
44:41
wonderful testing out mini cupcakes for a wedding testing out oh then I have to
44:46
take one yeah go for it ah so we're guinea pigs now thanks Steph appreciate
44:51
that sorry you don't mind if I say your name right okay I didn't know if it I
44:55
didn't know if it was private or anything yeah so so Colton's fiance is
45:01
apparently poisoning his boss and colleague now that's fine as long as
45:04
it's delicious I thought we I thought we were friends yeah we're tight it's
45:09
supposed to be a gift of love ah gift of love like like we want to be together
45:14
forever I want to preserve you this way for all time it's it's chalk full of uh
45:20
I can never think of words when I need them um what's the preservative that
45:24
they use for dead bodies oh wow from
45:27
alhy Jo fulla from alide don't ask how I know
45:30
that he preserved forever right I don't actually think that it is from alahh
45:34
when they embal people I think embalming fluid is a different thing felhide is
45:39
for dead bodies technically though if you want to preserve them like in a jar
45:42
well that's very different though all right you win okay so I'm not an icing
45:47
guy yeah me you I I really don't like icing I always when I have cake the
45:53
icing gets slopped off to one side and I eat the cake part but what I will say
45:57
is that the peanut butter cupcake is excellent yeah I am I am down for the
46:03
peanut butter cupcake but if you were making it for me personally which I
46:07
don't expect it's like there'll be everyone else's and then there's Linus's
46:11
one cupcake for just lonus it's like one of frosting then it would it would be
46:15
like it would almost have to have more like like a
46:19
chocolate or something like that cuz that's part of the peanut butter cup
46:23
experience is yeah a little
46:27
much but you should talk to Ivonne because she's an icing person she's into
46:31
icing whereas like for me if it's not like a super light cream cheese icing
46:36
then you might as well just leave yeah
46:39
tuxedo what's a tuxedo huh oh this it
46:43
it's it's good it's fine tastes like a cupcake you know I mean you know it's
46:47
it's great I try to give you know specific feedback I mean I mean it's I I
46:52
don't know what it's not yeah I mean it's fantastic
46:57
yeah yeah that is wow I've never actually had a peanut butter
47:01
cupcake I'm down for that so sorry I'm super
47:08
bummed swift key about swift key especially
47:11
because swift key on Android is already pretty much perfect
47:17
um they fixed most of my minor complaints swift key Cloud means that
47:21
when I type in like GeForce GTX 980t I
47:27
the t is Big the I is small like it's amazing it gets everything right um but
47:32
on iOS it sucks and I was really hoping
47:35
that over time twift key would continue to fix it and I just don't really have
47:40
much hope for that anymore how hard is this though I mean it's a keyboard right
47:44
it it predicts what you're going to write do you use it yes I use
47:49
something can I see your phone it's not installed on this one I haven't switched
47:53
yet it's on the other phone okay well it's pretty it's it's it's it's more
47:58
complic if it wasn't complicated Microsoft wouldn't have bought them for
48:01
however many millions of dollars I don't think we know um but yeah it's it's it's
48:07
predictive technology it's really cool
48:10
um yeah I'm oh I'm just I'm just sad I
48:14
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by doc Swag On The Forum original article here is from PC World and here's
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what I want to understand is why on Earth hasn't this been a thing forever
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when you buy a license of a game why can't you just play it on any device you
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want like I feel much the same way about DVDs and Blu-ray discs that I buy if I
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feel like viewing these on my phone which by the way doesn't have a DVD
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drive the last time I checked no it I would hope then I don't care about using
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your stupid service of which there are however stupid many of them and are
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licensed for however many stupid devices cuz quite frankly I switch phones more
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frequently than most people and that is extraordinarily inconvenient for me with
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service like DRM type services like that
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um Google play music by the way is awesome if you run out of devices and
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you run out of times you can run out of devices you just call them up they fixed
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it in like 45 seconds and offered me a Google Play credit for my trouble I was
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like that's incredible um anyway so I
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I've never really understood why when you buy a license to a game you don't
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just own the license to a game CU it's not like it really
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money I do know why but anyway if they can get you to buy a a movie on your
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phone and your computer and a DVD why
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wouldn't they and same for games so
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Gamers who pre-order the Xbox One's Quantum break which by the way I'm not
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recommending to do uh will receive a free digital copy for Windows 10 PC mhm
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very cool now I don't personally agree
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that that's a free digital copy I think it is is a paid for digital copy because
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you paid for it yeah but maybe more people will start doing this it'll
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become the norm the game will manage save games crossplatform which is sick
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that's awesome and that's extra functionality
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right there and Microsoft's Chief plans to make the crossby a platform feature
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of the Xbox one which in my mind should
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have been what they did out of the gate to differentiate the Xbox and I know
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licensing agreements with the game developers are complicated and all this stuff and I get that but I don't I I I I
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don't understand why this wasn't more obvious what a cool and awesome and
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consumer friendly thing to do MH um so
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yeah it's a baby step it's definitely baby step we're talking one game but you
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know crossplatform play crossplatform save games crossplatform in-game
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settings the ability to actually choose
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how I want to experience something very very cool very cool love it I mean this
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is a way to use the cloud in a way that
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is not obnoxious you know and you look at something like GeForce now okay
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NVIDIA's cloud gaming service where you are gaming off the cloud and you have to
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have like a ball and internet connection and it's like well you know what it's
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actually easier for me to just pack my Xbox with me to go to a friend's house
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there's a reason the cloud to butt extension exists because usually we hear
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about the cloud in some stupid way whereas this if it's just like oh I go
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over to my buddies and we can use my cloud save of you know I'm I'm obviously
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putting the cart before the horse here but uh you know my cloud save of you
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know Mario Kart and we can unlock all the characters without me actually
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having to physically bring my console or my games right cool cool yay Cloud
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features in a way that is not you know terrible or if like you can go over to
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your friend you know back to an Xbox example if you can be like yeah hey you
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want to play this game together that I just Scott you go over there you don't
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actually have to bring your your disc you don't have to bring your console you can just sit down at his console you
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sign into your Xbox account or log on to
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you know your Live account on his Windows 10 PC or whatever or hers and
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you can just play it and you can experience it together that is so cool and that is the way that it should be I
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am all for personal licenses for things
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um and I am even willing to accept a subscription model for that experience
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where if I go sit for if I go well not
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but for a lot of things if I sit down in front of a computer I want to have the
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full Microsoft Office experience I am an Office 365 subscriber and I love it and
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same for something like Creative Cloud to be able to just be like okay on any
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computer I don't have to have a CD key I don't have to have a disc I don't have
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there's some advantages to Creative Cloud but boy do I have opinions about
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it I know it's not perfect Taran but
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this is probably worth mention Adobe has committed to send out not one but two
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technicians to our site to come investigate um this month to come
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investigate how we're using the products and some of the challenges that we have
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and help us improve our workflow which for the first time ever as an Adobe
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customer I really feel valued and like the $600 a month or whatever it is I
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give them is actually going somewhere other than a black hole pit of money at
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the Adobe headquarters it was my complainy videos about Premiere that
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ended up setting this up I never expected that anything would come from
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those I I just I make these videos where I complain about the features Premiere
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doesn't have yeah and like are actually quite rude about it yeah they
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are um like super snarky can we talk
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about um gravitational waves next because this is amazing uh sure do you
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want to hang out to me the article so I already did wow you are like a somewhat
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competent person it's not the article it's a Reddit Mega thread which I don't
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know probably is a very excellent thing to uh get to so
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anyway gravitational waves I don't know much about these but it's kind well I'm
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glad you're informing the rest of us then it's kind of um as amazing as
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discovering like uh electromagnetic waves almost sort of like we don't
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really know exactly what we'll be able to do with them uh I just I usually I
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know a lot more details cuz this stuff really interests me but basically
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um it's an enormous Discovery um this was been theorized by uh what is it
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special or general relativity I think general relativity for like since
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Einstein and we just now um determined
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that it is in fact a thing so the direct detection of them the direct detection
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has happened cuz in 1993 they had already indirectly detected them yes
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they and and a Nobel Prize or whatever in physics was awarded for that and now
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someone's going to get a prize for this but check this out what it was it was so
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cool it's so cool how they found these is they got like this thing that shot a
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laser that got split in two and then bounced back and the tiny tiny
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differences in the interference between those two lasers was used to detect if
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waves of gravity gravitational waves were happening because all of SpaceTime
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gets kind of warped so they'll bounce back at different rates and it's like
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just minuscule amount and what it was that was detected was two super massive
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black holes spinning together and colliding which apparently output 50
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times this is amazing 50 times the energy of the entire universe during
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that event like and then and then we get
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this tiny blip back here on Earth like 1 billion years later isn't that amazing
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don't quote me on the 50 times thing I I saw that some physicist might have said
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that but it's kind of here say right now so you can check out the mega thread
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yeah very much a developing uh developing at but but basically I mean
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like it's as exciting as discovering the electron cuz we don't really know what
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it's going to be useful for power not energy appar until okay until like
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future advancements but like physicists are extremely excited about this it's
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amazing yeah people are saying power not energy and it can't be more than the
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entire universe might have been a Galaxy or something anyway the point is a lot I
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I'll look for The Source on that one yeah but it was people are like can
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I power my computer with them no you cannot welcome to twitch chat
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yeah um all right what else we got here
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oh this is great uh Ubisoft developer concedes that the division um PC version
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was held back by the consoles so we're back to more more digging by Ubisoft
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original article here was from kit Guru and this was posted on the Forum by
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roohi Kumar s so an unnamed developer
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stated that they had to keep the PC version of the division in check with
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consoles because it would kind of be unfair to push it so far away from them
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Ubisoft sent PC games and a statement saying it has come to our attention that
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a comment from one of our team members has been perceived by some te some
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members of the community to imply the PC version of the division was held back
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and it is simply not true from the beginning the PC version of the division
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was developed from the ground up and we're confident players will enjoy the game and the features that this version
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has to offer and the feedback from PC players who participated in the recent
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closed beta supports this now to be clear
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I am not piling on the Ubisoft hate train on this one because I will be the
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first to hate on up crappy port a port
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that doesn't have graphical Fidelity sliders because they just couldn't be
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ared a port that says press a to continue when I do not have a game pad
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attached and when I press a on my keyboard it doesn't do a bloody thing
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that's what I object to whereas if they developed the game from the ground up on
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PC and it's well optimized and runs as well I'm not going to crucify them for
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that if the game has to exist within the
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same mortal realm as the PlayStation 4
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and the Xbox One like if they can't just make a completely different game for the
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PC and the Xbox one I understand that too you can't you can't be like oh well
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we've got this great idea for a gameplay mechanic that would have the you know
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player character blah blah this too many polygons something something like that
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it's just not technically feasible on all the platforms that the game has to
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be released on then in that way a game
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like the the the the paradig the gameplay paradigms might be held back by
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the consoles but that's not the same as
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nerfing the game because they didn't want to create too much disparity in the
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marketing materials between what the PC version and the console version looked
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like like what we saw with Watch Dogs mhm was watch doog significantly better
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on PC um no it was it was it was nerfed
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significantly from the original like uh E3 trailers that were showing off oh
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yeah that sucks so I don't feel like this is the same thing but it could be
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proven that I am totally wrong and I am giving them the benefit of the doubt for
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nothing I just I I believe they learned their
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lesson um and I I don't think they were stupid enough to do that again then
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again they are Ubisoft and they they they do they do dig um all right I've
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got one more or two more rapid fire topics here uh this was posted by doc
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Swag On The Forum original article here is from PC World let's go ahead and pop
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that up um coming soon to a consumer laptop near you smoother video with
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AMD's free sync so that's pretty cool I mean that was bound to happen eventually
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I mean the original demos of free sync were actually done on laptops because
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they're not inherently that different from like some laptops the way that the
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display and the GPU interface is not inherently that different from the way free sync works at all um oh AMD D Scott
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Watson good old Scott this was posted by doc Swag On The Forum apparently tweeted
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an image of what looks like a fury X2 or
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two Fiji gpus or something like that so
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Fury X2 is being teased wow it's coming
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really close to Polaris maybe Polaris
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isn't going to be as fast as I had hoped cuz if two fijes even makes any
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sense um H I have no opinions on this
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topic that's fine uh oh actually oh crap oh there
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were oh man Opera got bought for 1.2
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billion by a Chinese Consortium um so that's sort of a bummer
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if you if you cared about the Opera browser which I personally didn't but
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I'm sure some people do what is Nick doing uh selfie sticks are actually banned in this office yeah also Disney
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World so yeah I'm going to take a selfie with you
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guys on the W show what are you why can
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can they see I felt like I wasn't interrupting anyone's day oh yeah we
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like with the giant penis in the window thank you for that by the way um
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by so 1.2 billion uh wow actually yeah
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there's dang it there's a bunch of really good stuff okay there is one more that I did want to discuss though so
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this was originally posted by syntax vgm
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on the Forum the original article is actually from
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wired and is about how wired is going to
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handle ad blocking M so wired is going
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to start um offering a subscription based
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service for people who want to browse
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the site without ads and they are going
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to block access to their content from
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people who are using an ad blocker now there is no uh there is no like hard and
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fast tried and true for sure we can do this way to block ad blocking but
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they're going to try has this been tried before oh yeah oh yeah definitely has it
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succeeded before um I don't know to be
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perfectly honest with you cuz cuz one thing that might happen is people with
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ad block just won't visit them anymore and they won't pay
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um I don't know I mean it all I mean it's it's the whole it's the whole
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piracy argument again right like you know well I won't I won't I wouldn't
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have paid for it anyway or I would I wouldn't have looked at the ad anyway
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I don't remember what it is but okay so anyway couple quotes So on an average
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day more than 20% of the traffic to wi.com comes from a reader who is
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blocking our ads we know that you come to our site primarily to read our
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content but it's important to be clear that advertising is how we keep wired going paying the writers editors
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designers engineers and other staff that work so hard to create the stories that
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you read and watch here so there will be two easy options to access that content
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you can simply add.com to your ad blockers white list they're not even
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going as far as to say don't use ad blocker because there are a lot of
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compelling reasons to use an ad blocker when you do we will keep the ads as
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polite as we can and you will only see standard display advertising or number
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two you can subscribe to a brand new AdFree version of wire.com and for a
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dollar a week you will get complete access to our content with no display advertising or ad tracking I think a
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dollar a week is out to lunch I can't think of a website on Earth that I would
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pay a dollar a week rather than I thought it was a dollar a month I didn't
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even hear week cuz it was kind of okay YouTube R I would pay the $109 9 or
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whatever $1.99 it is for you mon that's
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per month okay but we're talking wired
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wants something like what 40% of the cost of YouTube red or 30% or something
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like that H and and it's one of those things where whether they like it and
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whether you like it or whether anyone likes it or not the value of
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written is just not as high it's not
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perceived to be as high as the value of
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video Even though and this is a point I've made many times there are so many
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YouTube videos that would be way better as articles yep right because it's just
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pictures and talking just let me read it because
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there can be as much or more that goes into a really well done written article
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as a video for sure and there can also be a lot more that goes into a video
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than an article which doesn't to say video is easy like we're not we're not
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we're not making push a couple buttons in the video edits itself I don't know
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about you so we've had a really dis
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interesting discussion on the Forum uh we've had that goes back and forth uh
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between people who have sort of different different sort of uh different
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opinions one way or the other so there's there's the usual like okay you know
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it's it's their right to set a price uh the price is whatever they say it is and
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if you don't like it then you don't have to visit the site um there's people
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saying that wired is shooting themselves in the foot because ultimately no one's
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going to be interested in advertising with them at all if they can't show
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massive site traffic numbers um which is
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which which they will be able to if they don't actively block people from
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accessing their site 20% to a greater degree hey 20% can be a can be a pretty
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darn big deal that's you know we could get 20% more traffic to our whatevers
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that'd be awesome and then you know other people are saying you know blah
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blah blah I shouldn't have to pay for it other people are saying you know uh just
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because something is posted on the internet doesn't mean it's free and people are saying well they should find
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other ways to other ways to support it other than obnoxious ads and I guess one
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of the things that I want to point out um and it was it was going to be a
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direct response to someone but I didn't remember who it was and I didn't
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unfortunately um who reads yeah someone was saying blah blah blah of course you
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have the right to control your browsing experience on your computer and modify
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web code on your computer but the content provider also has the right to
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block their ads and so you know you we sure we can have this arms race um blah
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blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah yeah I really wish I
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could find I really wish I could find the uh well what what did he say damn it
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I don't remember I'm trying to find the post and I'm very sad right now very
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very sad right now it's hard to think when you have a camera on you and it's
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live the point I was going to make in response though is that if you back
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content providers into a corner where I
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mean frankly we're doing great we're we're surviving just fine but many
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written sites are not and that's where things like audio or autop playing video
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or full page ads are coming from is they are in my mind mistakenly um getting
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more and more in your face about the ads in an attempt to keep their advertising
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revenues high enough in order to survive because frankly it is an awful lot of
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work to make good content whether it's video or whether it's written and it's
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unfortunate that people don't value the written content the way that they used
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to so what I the argument that I'm making is if you refuse to subscribe and
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you refuse to view ads um one of the oh
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that's a bummer do a SoundCloud could be forced to close after $44 million losses
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is an article I just pulled up here okay I was just on the subject of companies
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not being able to finance themselves yeah and so on go on then what you might
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find yourself stuck with is a lot more native advertising and what Native
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advertising can look like is things like you know those sponsored articles um
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things like that um where it's not actually immediately
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obvious um you know like uh like what
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would it be like you know this plant that Dr Oz said was amazing yeah um you
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could end up with a lot of that instead
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so I don't know
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all right well is that it are we are we
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done yeah I think we're done wow that's kind of a bummer we we talk about
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SoundCloud to be forced to close after $44 million losses how do you lose $44
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million because people kept investing in the
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company um because they'll make money later right that's isn't that how all
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these websites work what is soundcloud's model I think we pay them but it isn't
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very much money we do pay them that's where all the archives go up so it might
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have to be moved somewhere else now sorry guys um and yeah I I I thought you
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would appreciate this one they apparently brought in $17 million in
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Revenue in 2014 mhm um that sounds good
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it's less than 44 million employee wages during that
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period increased 42.5% to 17.9 million Eur M meaning that
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the average employee was paid
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9,000 a year what does SoundCloud need that many
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people for you think do they have like a hundred
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people what do we need that many people for what do they have a hold on a second
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hold on a second what how many people work
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there I mean isn't it just like a a a music uploading site yeah
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interesting okay well there you go so thank you for tuning in to the W show
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guys we will see you again next week same bat Time same bat Channel and maybe
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on Soundcloud but maybe not yeah sorry
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derp and yes they can still hear us right now still hear us I was just going
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to say hello Internet people
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time doubt I I conducted some scientific
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polls asking people like do protons Decay yes no or turnup and turnup one
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but then I was like oh I can determine real uh truths about the universe with h
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on a website this is how Fox News
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operates oh snap