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The WAN Show: Nexus 5, Project Ara, R9 290, and GUEST Jon Rettinger - Nov 1, 2013

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0:00 to pick the right server so that's good welcome to the W show our weekly show

0:06 where we when where we w we W on the

0:09 internet which sort of another basically just another another word for that now I

0:14 don't know what just happened to my internet connection on here but we're going to go ahead and uh fire that bad

0:18 boy up we have a ton of great topics for you guys today not the least of which is

0:23 of course availability of the Nexus 5 which I actually picked one up so we're

0:28 going to we're going to check that out although 5in phones are not really my

0:31 forte I've actually got an Xperia Z1 that I'll be checking out over the next

0:35 little bit I'm like turning into like this phone person I have like phone and

0:38 audio like trying all these phones and stuff which is like not you I'm becoming

0:42 disgracefully mainstream so don't don't wor oh I like phones and headphones

0:46 don't worry I'm still interested in graphics cards tons of rumors

0:49 circulating about the Radeon r9290 as

0:52 well as the GTX 780 Ti so we can talk a

0:56 little bit about the rumors but we won't be able to confirm anything because we are still under

1:00 on a lot of those details which we do have we know

1:04 everything our special guest this week is John ringer from TechnoBuffalo also

1:09 known as John for Lakers so he's going to be joining us a little bit earlier

1:13 than usual in about nine minutes so he's got a new baby at home so I can totally

1:18 understand they need to be back home and doing what he needs to do as quickly as

1:23 possible uh what are what are our other topics for this week There's PS4 has

1:27 some interesting audio stuff going on which is actually kind of like super

1:31 disappoint they're not going to support uh

1:34 MP3s can we put on our snobby PC Gamer

1:38 hats we are the PC Master race yeah PC

1:41 Master race hat and our our PCS they support MP3 yeah they support MP3s

1:46 indeed um PS4 will have an audio

1:50 streaming service through PlayStation which is totally unrelated to MP3 is not

1:56 really working yeah more on that later also phone blocks is going to be a thing

2:00 now foam block has partnered up with Motorola and project sticky which is now

2:04 called Project Ara so we'll talk about that soon all right so without further

2:07 Ado it's intro time

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3:26 have well it makes well I understand why but that doesn't make me have to like it

3:30 no no no I do not have to like it so I'm going to let you get started with our

3:34 first topic of the day which is active steam members

3:38 surpass Xbox Live members so it

3:41 surpassed Xbox Live members by like a lot I think this wasn't like oh they

3:45 passed let's make an article immediately it was more like oh they've been quite

3:49 above for a while so active steam members is about uh 65 million Xbox

3:54 active members at about 48 million and PSN is about 110 something to take away

4:00 from this is that to be registered as an Xbox Live active member you would have

4:04 to have a gold or silver account um I don't know that many that people that

4:07 have silver accounts but I haven't been on Xbox Live since like a long time ago

4:12 so maybe that's more popular now um

4:15 about 20 million of the Xbox subscribers are paid subscribers so gold accounts um

4:21 but then that pales in contrast to PSN which is at 110 million because it's

4:25 free so there is a ton of steam users and I'm happy with this news because I'm

4:30 a bro for steam but I don't know how

4:33 realistic it really is because I don't think it's actually a representation of

4:37 how many people actually playing on those devices yeah and it's one of those

4:40 things where I look at it and I go okay I mean you look at app Developers for

4:44 example for Android versus iOS where what they'll say is okay yes we

4:50 understand that there are a whole whack ton of people who are using Android

4:53 devices but the cold hard truth is that

4:57 iPhone users buy more stuff they're more in Ed in the platform so I would look at

5:01 it and I'd go okay so steam you've got three times as many users no sorry not

5:05 three times okay compared to paid so

5:08 that is Xbox Live Gold members you have

5:12 three times as many users but how many of those people that are invested in the

5:15 platform to the point where they're paying a monthly subscription to even

5:18 have the membership level they do I mean to them what's another few bucks if

5:22 they're buying apps or they're buying games or whatever else compared to someone who created a steam account and

5:28 I think I think has a steam account pretty sure the silver members can buy

5:31 things they just can't play in the online servers but How likely are they

5:35 to How likely is a free member to to

5:38 actually invest additional money versus someone that's already put down money

5:41 and then that's kind of the same but not as Steam because to be able to be set up

5:46 on Steam properly you probably have games right so you're not necessarily

5:51 funneling your money through Steam because you can get uh game Keys

5:54 elsewhere but I would have to assume that steam would still get some sort of

5:58 a cut from it we need to find like one of those uh one of those cheap game key

6:02 services to like partner with and do affiliate programs or something with

6:05 there ways to get cheaper games and they pay huge commissions to influencers who

6:10 are like hey by the way you're buying Battlefield 4 anyway you might as well

6:14 save $10 and then also like us we'll get some money too we got that would be a

6:18 not bad idea we have to do that at some point should I've been meaning to do it

6:21 for a while I know Logan uh Logan has has one of those Partnerships and he was

6:25 saying that it's like really okay all right all right

6:30 anyway so the most played game on Steam right now at the moment is Dota 2 with

6:35 500,000 daily users which is a massive

6:38 absolutely massive number and as much as I was tempering the enthusiasm a little

6:43 bit there compared to how excited we could have been about this I think that

6:46 the trend is definitely going in the right direction and steam isn't even the

6:50 only platform I know it's the 800 PB gorilla compared to origin or you play

6:55 but origin's getting bigger by forcing people to go on it though do stuff like

7:00 Battlefield valve did the same thing hello I mean I'm not saying it's it

7:05 wasn't that long ago that Gamers were equally upset with valve for the way

7:08 that they were making them I'm putting on my PC Gamer Master Bas I can't it

7:12 doesn't like yeah okay whatever but uh

7:16 yeah it wasn't that long that valve was doing exactly the same thing so we can't really criticize them too I mean we can

7:21 criticize EA a lot yep but we do I think that yeah and you play honestly you play

7:26 is kind of terrible too I know I know it's it's very Terri I'm taking

7:30 really hard to manage and it's like really hard to redeem codes and yeah all

7:33 right so why don't we invite our special guest who uh wife is apparently exactly

7:39 like mine because uh she wants him home at a reasonable time tonight it kind of

7:43 makes sense oh it makes uh all the all the sense in the world to defend the the

7:48 the W ladies out there oh oh absolutely I mean uh you know expecting your

7:53 husband to be involved in the rearing of his child totally unreasonable obviously

7:59 and I'm sure John will be with me 100% on this because I'm sure his wife isn't

8:03 watching this stream hello John are you live with us right

8:09 now Delayed Reaction see I don't know if I'll oh there we go there we go how are

8:15 you you guys there oh our splitter just

8:18 fell so I uh I you broke up a little bit there but let's try this one more time

8:22 hello John from TechnoBuffalo welcome to the show thank you very much for having

8:27 me it's good to be here a awesome so uh

8:30 do you want to tell us a little bit about what life is like with the six

8:35 week old bundle of joy that you have going on over there I live in constant

8:40 fear of being pooped on you know you

8:44 never would have thought that poop had a projectile range but I swear I saw Poop

8:49 Shoot about six feet I mean and like

8:52 with dead aim right on the

8:55 wall it's been it's been good little uh our little guy will be six weeks on on

9:00 Sunday last night he slept for about five hours which seemed like winning the

9:05 lottery so that means you slept for like three hours because you spent the first

9:09 two hours laying there in fear that he wasn't actually asleep yet spoken like a

9:15 man who's been there is he asleep is he gonna wake up

9:19 what does he need is he dirty is he hungry is can he is he breathing or like

9:23 I don't know if you have pets but like your cat will meow or something and

9:27 you're like you sit Bol top right you're like a damn it yeah so it's yeah so it's

9:32 been it's been exciting it's been the the biggest adventure um of of my life

9:37 so far but it's been it's been awesome I uh I'm excited for new reasons to come

9:41 home every day that is awesome so this is your first

9:45 then this is number one our our first

9:48 our first baby uh baby boy Nathan that

9:52 is so exciting you know what I'm going to do something terrible to you I'm

9:55 going to offer you advice if you'd like any advice about take it really I will

10:01 take it because honestly we got so much advice most of which was terrible that

10:05 anytime anyone told us they wanted to give us advice on child rearing we told

10:09 them to leave our house after a certain point listen I I'll say this I know

10:13 enough to know I don't know anything yet so listen I'll I'll take it all right

10:17 well I think the biggest thing is uh is you know what everyone else is going to

10:21 tell you treasure these moments I'm going to tell you man ride it out hold

10:27 in there because it gets a whole a lot better around the first birthday and

10:31 right now just sucks support support the lady because she needs it man dude I am

10:36 trying honestly I feel like I am uh like a high school transfer student like

10:40 sophomore year to try to keep my head down you know and like just make it

10:45 through the day is your wife uh if it's not too personal is your wife bottle

10:48 feeding or breastfeeding she is she's going on natural so um okay I lack the I

10:54 lack the equipment to to feed him although we're giving him one bottle a

10:57 day of uh you know the Frozen the Frozen variety let me tell you lacking the

11:02 lactation is probably good for you because it's one of those things where

11:05 you can be like you know hun I'll get up and I'll and I'll change the baby and

11:10 and bring him to you but I mean really that's all I can do so I guess I'll go

11:13 back to bed after that if that's okay with you that's dude that I hope she's

11:17 not listening to the show but yeah I've definitely uh pulled pulled that one

11:21 like I'm sorry like like the well the Well's dry

11:25 here I can only I can only do what I can do all right so I know you've had I know

11:30 for a fact you've had less time than you're used to in your life to pay

11:34 attention to what's going on in the tech world but let's start with your article

11:39 actually about the Nexus 5 so I'm just gonna oh my goodness we don't have our

11:42 guest lower third that's John he's he's joining us anyway so let's uh let's fire

11:46 over to that article really quick here so it sold out in less than an hour is

11:52 this about what you were expecting yeah I'm actually surprised it

11:55 lasted that long if I remember correctly an Nexus 4 sold out it sort of equally

11:58 as fast I mean Google did a crazy job of hying this thing up without really

12:02 officially saying a words everybody was expecting it kind of any minute um so

12:06 yeah I'm was not surprised that it uh that it sold out and first impressions

12:10 are it sold out for a reason it's a really great phone it looks really

12:13 compelling considering the price point does it not yeah the price Point's

12:17 killer I'm actually can't see but I'm holding it in my hand I'm holding it up

12:21 to my my webcam that you can't see uh in homage 349 bucks is a killer price point

12:27 you figure on contract two-year deal you know this probably be about $150 to $200

12:31 phone so for the extra 150 bucks you know you don't have to sign a two-year

12:34 contract just um which is awesome I you don't want it sell it the Nexus devices

12:39 you know hold their value similar to Apple's um you know so sell it in a year

12:42 it's it's a pretty a nice phone uh you

12:46 know I want to put it through its Paces before I do a review we always sort of

12:49 take longer with our reviews and we'll tell the audience how long we we use the

12:52 device before we just sort of rush to get best SEO and put up a review like

12:56 four minutes later that is such a great approach and you know what um we've only

13:00 recently started dabbling in phones a little bit because I was never really a

13:04 phone guy and I mean the the perspective I bring is not the experienced phone guy

13:09 perspective but what I do is I I I force myself to take out my SIM from my phone

13:14 that I use and put it in the new one and I kind of go if I'm not willing to do

13:17 this then how can I really say that I reviewed this device if I didn't

13:21 actually even commit to use the thing so I respect that so much because SEO is

13:27 great but it's not the be all and end all no thank you thank you very much

13:31 it's a dirty Secret in our industry that folks from other sites that I won't

13:35 mention uh you know will rush to get a review up um without really using the

13:39 device I uh again won't mention any names but I've been at events where you

13:43 know we've been handed at a phone and other Publications to been handed a phone you know the exact same time yeah

13:47 their review will go up the next day and will have cited 48 Hours of battery life

13:52 and you know what I'm not like I'm not a math major but that that does not add up

13:56 and you know the funny thing is I think it's a lot of the I think it's a lot of

13:59 the old media mentality here where these I I think it's a lot of the traditional

14:03 Tech Guys where they're used to something like a graphics card where all

14:07 you have to do is Benchmark it and you measure the power consumption you

14:10 measure the performance and really that's all there is to know about it but

14:14 to me a phone I go out of my way to actually again this is I'm not a

14:17 hardcore guy I don't even really talk about the specs I go this is how it felt

14:21 in my hand and this is what I thought of something I noticed that was different

14:24 and that's all I really have to say about it and I think that there's room

14:28 for the hardcore Tech guys that are running all the benchmarks

14:31 there's room for the guys that are doing the indepth plus the real world I

14:36 actually used this thing stuff like what you do and I think there's room for the casuals but the guys that really offend

14:41 me are the ones that are saying things without actually validating it I could

14:44 not could not agree with you more uh on

14:48 that I mean you can't just make up numbers you can't say the battery sucks because we tried to play a video for 14

14:52 hours and died after eight it's on how people use their phones

14:57 exactly you know I want to know if I can get through a full day with you know

15:00 being on Wi-Fi for eight hours and an hour phone call and Tech can I get

15:04 through a full day I'm not going to spend most of my day watching you know 12 hours of video on my phone like give

15:09 me this fat stuff that matter you just don't know a device until you actually

15:13 use it and rushing to get stuff out I think makes our whole industry look bad

15:16 it's it's dishonest to the audience let's talk about using the Nexus 5 this

15:20 is something that I've been thinking about for a little while I actually just

15:23 recently got my hands on a Moto X because I'm not high priority like you I

15:27 actually have to buy most of my phones and my take on that was do we really

15:33 need a 1080p screen in the 4.7 in or 5

15:36 in form factor what are your thoughts on this and maybe I I will tell you this we

15:41 we have the privilege of having access to to pretty much every mobile device

15:44 out there in our office it's it's a really it's a privilege and an honor

15:48 it's a double- edged sword as what it actually is you know that yeah

15:52 absolutely but one that I I really sort of high and high esteem two out the

15:56 people in our office are using Moto xes

16:00 if that tells me and they're using it as their regular phone when they have access to anything else um so if that

16:05 tells you anything perception of the device it just works it works well um

16:10 you know you don't have to have quad cord have a good experience on a phone

16:14 you just don't that is so true I mean

16:17 you know what this ties into something I really wanted to talk about with respect

16:20 to Nexus 5 as well is are we finally

16:23 seeing the commoditization of the cell phone in much the same way that the PC

16:28 was Comm commoditized and then the laptop was commoditized and even every

16:32 component of the PC I mean for a while I don't know how closely you follow PCS

16:36 but ssds and high performance ssds were

16:39 a big deal for a while and then all of a sudden overnight Samsung took over the

16:43 market completely with commodity ssds that performed well enough and were

16:47 priced very reasonably is this the beginning of the end where we see phones

16:51 like Moto X that don't compete on spec and we see phones like Nexus 5 that come

16:55 in and frankly take all of the margin out of the phone that guys like Samsung

16:59 have enjoyed for so long are we there are they just fast enough and are they

17:03 commodity now so it's yes and no so yes for the technolog it's out there right

17:07 now it's no until the next SSD comes out

17:10 it's no until everybody's rushing to have uh flexible displays and flexible

17:15 batteries it's no until people are trying to get nearfield uh cameras built

17:19 into devices um until the next big thing hits then yeah I absolutely think so but

17:24 until there's that next whatever Rush it's going to be whatever sort of fake

17:27 rush they make the consumer think have to have um you know I uh I think it's

17:32 only a matter of maybe months not years before that that next thing shows its

17:36 face do you think the consumer is more Savvy to the these days I mean

17:40 look how long they've been trying to cram 4k on TVs down our throats without

17:45 any content available and with extremely high prices on TVs in much the same way

17:50 that they were used to being able to charge so much for a flat panel and then

17:53 so much for a full HD one and then etc etc etc and people just aren't doing it

17:58 anymore are are we past that or do you think that mobile is not at that

18:02 saturation Point yet yeah so I think it's the industry so I think when it comes to TVs and purchase that you make

18:07 maybe once every 10 uh people are maybe

18:11 not smarter but pay closer attention with their wallet because those are real

18:15 dollars I mean you're talking thousands and thousands of dollars uh so I think

18:19 people aren't as easily duped look at 3D like 3D is supposed to be the giant

18:22 thing everybody's got to have 3d 3d 3d 3d and really not many people cared that

18:29 much about 3D no I mean part of the problem to me was the implementations

18:33 were so fragmented and so terrible I mean we see this happen in the industry

18:36 over and over again where no one can agree on a bloody standard and then the

18:41 whole thing flops yeah no you're absolutely right

18:45 and when it comes to the mobile world I think customers are are more easily

18:48 duped uh and it's such a weird world in Mobile people feel entitled to to things

18:54 you know I signed a two-year contract two years ago for my phone where's my

18:57 KitKat update uh or or so loyal to an operating system you know if you like

19:02 apple and I like Android where mortal enemies I mean it's could you imagine

19:06 that same Dynamic when you go grocery shopping like somebody buys a Milky Way and you're a Snickers guy and you just

19:09 start like screaming at him like how how dare you like Snickers Milky Way is is

19:15 obviously the best you you must be just a gigantic you know ass

19:20 face that is fantastic because you know what it's funny because so many things

19:24 on the internet are like that where if people actually behaved that way to each

19:28 other I can you can you imagine being on the subway and seeing someone you know I

19:34 mean okay let's say 10 years ago seeing someone with a Sony disman versus a

19:38 Panasonic disman and ending up in a fist fight over

19:41 it no you the only thought would have been like wow does that thing skip when

19:46 you walk you know you're never like looking

19:49 like what it is it is so crazy the internet mentality and sort of the

19:54 entitlement that that people somehow feel that seems to be really exclusive

19:58 to to mobile and maybe gaming as well gaming is a big one a strange phenomenon

20:03 it's like I paid $60 for this game five

20:06 years ago why isn't the game developer still supporting servers out of their

20:10 own pocket yeah why don't I have backwards compatibility PS4 with my PS1

20:16 masters of teros C game I bought you know 48 years ago you

20:20 know it's just it's a very strange uh Strange World I much as I try

20:26 I still don't understand it and the funny thing is your entire job is to

20:30 demystify it for other people so way to go smart guy yeah yeah but that's that

20:35 is my one job I'm like I'm like I cannot figure you guys out like I love the

20:38 audience they are incredible they put food on my table they give me a chance

20:42 to live my dream but some of them I just don't understand the mentality like if

20:46 that translated to anything else it would just it wouldn't work now let's

20:50 talk about entitlement and support for lower end devices Android 4.4 KitKat um

20:56 there was a leak that we're looking at some unexpected improvements I'm just

21:00 going to pull up the article here really quick this was posted on the Forum by mg

21:03 star so we're just going to go ahead and go back to our guest here so the

21:06 original Source was in gadget and we're looking at I mean obviously you've heard

21:11 of this so why don't you give me your thoughts on this uh Revelation that

21:15 they're looking to optimize particularly memory use to the point where we could

21:18 see devices that only have around 512 Megs of RAM still operate

21:23 smoothly so I think as annoyed as consumers are with Android

21:27 fragmentations I think Google is more annoyed with Android fragmentation uh

21:31 and I think they're trying to have more control uh over the operating system

21:35 there's a big misconception that Android is open source uh Android is is not

21:40 truly open source they release the source code but it's not open source uh

21:45 so I think they're trying to uh limit fragmentation and they've done a

21:48 incredible job of memory management uh with Android 4.4 so hopefully they're

21:53 saying okay 4.4 can run on more devices then app developers can be able to

21:57 support more devices they make more money because more apps can be purchased

22:01 on those older devices so it boils down to a dollars um decision for for Google

22:06 but certainly helps the consumer in the long run as well that's an absolutely fantastic point and actually ties into

22:10 something we were saying before you joined us on the show with respect to steam members versus Xbox Live members

22:16 where those steam members are the part of this fragmented ecosystem that maybe

22:21 some game is released are you really pushing it out to 65 million potential

22:25 people whereas on Xbox you know that every single one of those members is

22:29 actually capable of of buying the the app or the game or whatever else it is

22:33 that you uh that you happen to be that you happen to be looking at so how much

22:38 of this do you think is actually focused on smartphones and lower-end or older

22:42 smartphones and how much of of this do you think is gearing up for a Google

22:46 glass or Smartwatch release coming in 2014 that's so so that's the big one I

22:51 think it's me necessarily starting from here on out I think it's it's a

22:54 two-prong attack I think it's gearing up for wearables um you know Smartwatch and

22:59 whatever you know Google Glass 2 whatever they decide to call their second iteration of it but beyond that I

23:04 think it's also a clear shot for emerging markets I think they're looking

23:08 at India in particular South America

23:12 where maybe the lower spec Android devices uh can get some Market

23:16 penetration um you know and also that potential um you know dollar from the

23:20 Play Store and that's a very good point because I mean it it blew me away that

23:25 in somewhere as technologically with it

23:28 as Taiwan I mean we're talking the manufacturing and design of all this

23:33 crap goes on there and yet every C drivers got a flip

23:38 phone it's crazy in contrast though in Korea almost every single person I saw

23:43 had a note a note two or like something else super baller and Samsung's there so

23:48 a lot of work goes on there it's just slight it's so funny you mention that our um our managing editor uh Roy Troy

23:54 is Korean and we were talking about the difference of Technology from country to

23:57 Country he was talking about he said exactly that same thing he says he went to Korea and he couldn't believe how

24:02 many people have these gigantic smartphones and and how many women carry

24:07 the gigantic you know smartphones instead it was just it's so interesting

24:10 from country to Country you to see what what permeates the culture yeah more

24:15 than once I saw a chick walking around with like a clutch bag and as far as I

24:19 could tell it was for her phone like that was it there was so many chicks and

24:23 a lot of dudes as well but so many chicks with notes and giant phones that they held and worked with as TBL

24:30 and something right I know right isn't that thing

24:34 hilarious it is like a com I loved using it just looking at me like

24:39 what what is this thing on my face what is that what's that guy doing he's

24:45 crazy okay so uh I think our last topic

24:48 here is is a bit of a console topic and actually is is an ecosystem control

24:53 topic as well so I'm just going to go ahead and fire this up on the computer

24:57 here so everyone can see what the it is we're talking about so this was a tweet

25:00 from Michael mallister that sent this over so it's actually the original link

25:03 is to the Playstation blog where they

25:07 dropped an absolute bomb on PS4 audio

25:11 format support so uh here Luke why don't

25:14 I let you give the rundown and then John I'd love to hear what you think of this

25:18 particular method of ecosystem control so there there was a topic actually on

25:21 TechnoBuffalo about this so I'm sure I'm sure he's on top of it um but PS

25:26 PlayStation released a giant FAQ recently like huge and it is

25:31 actually pretty awesome because it's nice to get some confirmation about

25:34 things uh because this is kind of an issue you hear about this giant thing

25:38 that's new newly released and it's like oh well I have literally 80 questions

25:41 and none of them are answered so it's nice that we got this fq but people

25:45 started noticing things like the PlayStation 4 will not support MP3s

25:48 audio CDs external hard drives or

25:52 DLNA people were just like what the heck one thing that they do support though is

25:56 Music Unlimited a PlayStation service which can stream You music for a monthly

26:01 fee and you can play this music in the background while you're playing games only $4.99 a month no less John I'm sure

26:06 you have lots to say about this let's hear it oh yes I do so first I just want

26:10 to say thank you to everybody that's s of sending messages on on Twitter that's

26:14 um that's watching the show it's very cool to interact sort of live um so if

26:18 there's ever been anything more Sony than good design it's really loving

26:23 proprietary formats like really love like really like in love wanting to

26:27 marry and make babies with proprietary formats I mean this this is this is the

26:31 company that brought us betamax minis

26:34 um memory memory stick memory stick Duo memory stick Duo 95 Pro Duo yeah the the

26:41 billion different varieties so I am not at all surprised with the music side of

26:44 things and pushing their own Silly Services what was a little bit

26:48 surprising was the external hard drives and Sony said that they're limiting it

26:52 to try and reduce piracy which okay I can I can understand

26:57 um you know they probably felt that was a big issue with with the PS3 uh they

27:02 plated people a little bit by letting their internal hard drive be replaceable

27:06 which it still seems a little bit silly you just get the you know connector and

27:09 you can throw an external hard drive anyway that it thinks is internal um so

27:14 it it seems like a very silly thing that I think will very quickly be rectified

27:19 um I would say come like half a year

27:22 down external hard dries will be allowed I just do you think it'll be rectified

27:26 because one thing I have to give Microsoft props for is that they made

27:31 all the most popular most unpopular decisions they possibly could and then

27:35 swiftly backtracked on them Sony has shown in the past that they are willing

27:40 to make an unpopular decision and then just ride it out forever forever and I

27:46 agree I give Microsoft credit as well for for backtracking they could have run

27:51 a marathon backwards for as quickly as

27:54 they uh as they retreated on that um I

27:57 do however think Sony is really trying to be what they're calling considering

28:00 like the anti Xbox this time um so I think they're going to take a different

28:04 approach to PS4 and I really think that's something that's going to be rectified if the community wants it to

28:09 be rectified very very quickly now sorry

28:12 go ahead because I'm gonna I'm gonna go for a bit here so sure one thing to bring up too is it's not just music

28:17 unlimited they also have I believe what's called Video Unlimited which I

28:20 think is supposed to conflict and try and fight against Netflix and that has a

28:24 little subscription thing good luck good luck with that I know yeah not really

28:28 going to happen but just putting that there they's such a Powerhouse now oh

28:31 it's ridiculous here's my issue with the way that Sony is viewing their

28:35 competition as this Sony versus Microsoft head-to-head battle so they're

28:39 ignoring Wii U which their right to do and they're also ignoring Steam OS

28:45 they're ignoring Steam OS and they're ignoring Android I've been saying this

28:48 for a little while and I don't think this is the Battle of PS4 and Xbox One I

28:53 think this is the Battle of console and they're better off to band together and

28:58 figure out what their value ad is and deliver it versus open more open

29:03 platforms like Linux and open platforms like Android where the barrier to entry

29:08 for a game developer or an app developer or whoever else wants to be involved in

29:12 that platform is much lower I don't know how much attention you've paid to

29:15 something like NVIDIA Shield but did you see their console mode

29:19 announcement yes I've actually uh Pi I'm

29:22 actually staring at NVIDIA Shield right now as we speak good um what are your

29:26 thoughts I had a chance to take a look

29:29 at the update you a few days before it uh got pushed so there are a few things

29:34 I see I actually agree wholeheartly with everything you just said I think the big

29:38 difficulty for developers is getting those games on television sets about

29:42 things like the Ouya and I think the shield and NVIDIA nailed it with the the

29:47 control mapping yes so being a being able to take a game like NBA Jam you

29:52 know that's an awesome game but it's kind of tough to play with touch and

29:55 being able to just have that already be mapped for your Shield makes it a very very

30:01 compelling platform not to mention all the emulators you can download you know

30:05 I traveled I was playing Super Mario Brothers on my shield because it was just fun um and you know what we've seen

30:11 this time and time again where the more that a platform tries to lock down and

30:15 become anti-piracy the more the piracy friendly platform that crops up to take

30:21 its place gets accepted because let's face it piracy drives platform adoption

30:27 in a huge way and it's the elephant in the room that Microsoft doesn't want to

30:31 talk about about the Xbox the original Xbox it's the elephant in the room that

30:35 you know Microsoft doesn't want to talk about with the PC it's the elephant in

30:38 the room Google doesn't want to talk about with Android but it's there yeah

30:43 that's a very astute observation actually um I I completely agree with

30:49 that with that statement you are absolutely right I'd be curious you know

30:53 and they say piracy what they really mean is we're not making enough money I

30:57 mean that that's sort of that's the between the lines is we don't care if

31:00 you're playing our game for free we care that you're not giving us money to play

31:03 our game um and and that's the issue I

31:07 wonder though how much money these manufacturers Sony and Microsoft are

31:11 paying to developers to get exclusives Microsoft obviously opened up their

31:14 wallets like crazy to get the exclusive titles what if what if they both agreed

31:18 to stop doing that that okay let's stop with the exclusive deal uh you know if

31:23 we own a studio so whatever if it was formerly bunge or whatever it might be

31:26 then you know we'll make our own games but if we stop doing that and we stop

31:30 pushing this ridiculous piracy that just locks down our console I wonder how that

31:36 would change sales numbers and how that would change you know their end of day

31:40 or a scary profit what about a scary sort of uh seiz fire on exclusive titles

31:45 where they kind of go okay well let's work together to make them console exclusive and let's compete on the value

31:51 ad services like Xbox Live and Playstation network and let's figure out

31:55 how to extract our money there but let's stopped fighting on Hardware because

31:59 they basically gave up on the hardware fight we saw that they both have the same bloody Hardware in them for the

32:03 most part PS yeah EXA exactly the same and they're still sort of like backhand

32:08 fighting each other you know I'm sure Sony paid Activision to make Call of

32:13 Duty ghost 1080p only on the PS4 you

32:16 know so people can think oh the XBox wasn't as powerful last generation it's

32:19 probably not as powerful this generation like I would bet there was

32:24 money to changed hands obviously I can't back that up but I would I would bet

32:28 that money changed hands so tell me this now that you've played with shield and

32:32 console mode do you have a Kepler based GeForce um uh PC to stream games to your

32:38 I've got a got a falcon here yeah oh yeah we we've been testing it having a

32:42 blast with okay tell me this from an end user perspective if Shield is $200 for

32:47 what is effectively a a console that if

32:51 you have a supported PC so remember Shield is $200 with a supported graphics

32:55 card so if you pay $200 for shield you get to stream PC quality graphics and

33:00 man does it ever look good to handheld or to your TV with 1080p coming by the

33:05 end of the year and the ability to use it handheld or Steam OS with its ability

33:11 to stream from your PC as well so having one powerful PC in the house and being

33:14 able to Game On Any TV versus picking up your console and moving it around versus

33:18 spending $400 or $500 or $300 whatever

33:22 it is on a console plus extra controllers plus whatever you end up

33:25 doing what is going to be in your list living room six months from now if you

33:29 had a crystal ball oh I mean the shield for sure I should say though The Shield

33:33 is 300 bucks if you want to buy it on its own yes that's important and it's

33:37 not even available in every country yeah but I I totally see the value add and I

33:42 give NVIDIA credit for pushing a product like this they know they're not going to

33:45 make any money on yes it's it's a really cutting I I thought for sure they were

33:49 never going to release this I thought it was going to be a reference Hardware from Tegra 4 um and I went on record and

33:54 said then I was clearly wrong um I

33:58 really give them I really give them credit I know the folks in NVIDIA very

34:01 well they are committed this platform and they like you to see the future and

34:04 they've done that same you know that same pitch okay what are you going to

34:08 keep in your living room and if we stick with this and we educate the consumer to know what Shield does to not just look

34:12 at it as an Android Tablet with the controller you know they will get it

34:16 being able to stream PC games that look

34:19 ridiculously good anywhere you want are incredible if my wife doesn't want me

34:23 sitting in front of my computer playing games I can sit on the couch sort of

34:26 watch the baby you know and catch up with Arkham Origins you know or any

34:31 absolutely or anything else I want and this is something oh sorry uh one thing

34:35 that kind of catches me odd and I was wondering what you think about this was

34:39 the release timing for different things to do with Shield because I I think less

34:43 people know that uh you can actually play it as streaming from your computer

34:47 they know that it exists and I'm surprised that usually you announce

34:50 things that have to do with the device before you release the device they mess

34:54 that up and in Shield's case they release Shields and it was this Hardware

34:59 that everyone wasn't sure what to do with it like what it really does like why does it even have these different

35:03 options blah blah blah blah blah and then finally they're releasing all these

35:06 options after interest is actually almost waning yeah it it's they've been taking

35:11 a very weird approach they're trying to go organic and clearly that just

35:14 translates that we don't want to spend a lot of money and a big like I mean it's

35:18 true and do a big like blogger education push I mean so we had before this over

35:22 the air update came out you know we had a huge um you know WebEx demo

35:28 um talking about shield and they sent us U an external controller at HDMI K hook

35:33 it up to TVs and all that kind of all that kind of stuff and they're really

35:36 pushing it I think I think bloggers for

35:39 some reason don't either get it or just don't care I and I'm not that emotional

35:45 it's that emotional fandom that we talked about before this is a completely

35:48 new completely different thing that I think a lot of the console versus PC

35:53 guys I don't think anyone's happy about it cuz I think the hardcore PC guys look

35:57 at it and they go go well I don't need a console I don't need a handle blah blah

36:00 blah blah blah and I think a lot of the console guys go well then I have to have

36:04 a powerful gaming PC I'm happy with my Xbox blah blah blah don't take away my

36:08 console and the thing I think people don't realize is I've been saying this for a while this is the last generation

36:12 of of consoles in the form that we see them today and I and people tell me well

36:18 well I'm yeah I'm going to sit in front of my computer no you're not going to sit in front of your computer you're

36:21 going to sit in front of your TV the TV gaming experience is not dead but the

36:25 console is dead and I think NVIDIA Shield is actually just a pawn here I

36:31 think it's I think it's a sacrificial lamb they're obviously going to lose

36:34 money on the whole Endeavor but I think they actually don't care if Shield two

36:39 or Shield three or Shield four exists because NVIDIA in their history is an

36:43 enaer they are not looking to sell a

36:46 graphics card directly to an end user any more than they're looking to necessarily sell a shield to an end user

36:51 I think they created Shield out of a need to build this cuz no one else was

36:55 willing to do it I think they just did it and went no we want handheld gaming

37:00 uh combined with PC gaming combined with TV gaming and if we have to do it

37:04 ourselves then fine but ultimately if someone else with Tegra 6 releases their

37:08 own thing I think they're happy with that yeah I actually agree with you I I

37:12 I I could not have said that better myself I I completely agree with

37:16 that you're the best guest ever you agree with me about things you're

37:19 awesome I mean when you're when you're right you're right I mean you're not

37:24 you're not saying anything untrue man and I would any anybody who knows me

37:27 know knows I love a good argument so I'm certainly not afraid to uh to speak up

37:31 but I think you nailed it well you know what I would love to give you at least I

37:36 we're coming up I don't want to keep you a minute longer because I totally understand the wife thing you got to go

37:40 support her as best you can so we have three more minutes guys if you have any

37:44 quick Twitter questions for John that you'd love to hear and answer as fast as

37:48 he can hit us up uh hit me up on Linus Tech and John I'd like you to take the

37:53 next couple minutes for any of our viewers who don't already know who you

37:56 are which I think most of them probably do but talk about yourself and what you

37:59 do and how it's great and how they can follow you always weird to talk about

38:03 yourself I'm a geek I'm just I'm a geek who somehow managed to win the lottery

38:08 and got the opportunity to do this for a living um you can you can check me out

38:12 on YouTube uh youtube.com no Buffalo I'm

38:16 on on Twitter at johnj number4 Lakers

38:19 which is an awful Twitter handle I totally understand that or you can check

38:23 check out you know all of our all of our content um at uh at technobuffalo.com

38:28 and we just talk about tech we're we're fans of technology and we have our

38:33 passion that we get the opportunity to share with everybody now do you guys do

38:36 a live show uh we do a podcast we used to do

38:41 live shows we towed live shows we really want to do more live shows it's just

38:45 matter of trying to find the bandwidth to do them but it's definitely like I say thanks s is every year but it's

38:49 definitely on our radar I want you to do a live show because you are fantastic

38:53 live we have some we have some people on where you kind of go yeah you script

38:58 everything and uh you have a hard time holding a discussion for 20 minutes

39:03 whereas that is not the case with you at all you guys need to do a live show because I think I appreciate that I I'm

39:08 awful reading from a teleprompter I'm I'm not an actor I'm really really bad

39:12 so I mean all my videos are all done just whatever weird stuff comes out of

39:15 my head all right so here we go we've got a

39:19 couple Twitter questions we're not going to keep John for much longer than a

39:22 couple more minutes here no problem okay Happ answer Joshua says John you were an

39:27 awesome guest on the land show totally agree um here we go John from Evan not

39:32 really a quick question oh damn it Evan okay what were the struggles you faced

39:36 starting your own business over there sure and we're not we're not we're not

39:40 on a clock I'm happy to answer the questions all right thank you thank you

39:43 so I mean the struggles were the biggest one I faced was you know so okay so now

39:48 I'm 33 and people look at me as a 33y old but they realized when they started

39:51 this I was 25 26 years um not really

39:54 knowing how business worked I love technology I used to go to Best Buy and

39:59 walk around dress myself um you know at

40:02 the end of a long day U my biggest thing was when I when I first launched techno

40:06 Buffalo I didn't know about how to create a website I didn't know about

40:09 code I had you know gotten a little bit of startup funds from friends and family

40:13 I bootstrapped it all the way um and I hired a developer I said build the site

40:17 he built it and said okay it's ready to launch so I figured great let's launch it um and the site crashed in I think it

40:23 was less than a minute it was like 43 seconds it didn't crash because of crazy

40:26 traffic it crashed because of God awul code so we had a burn through 40% of our

40:31 startup capital I had just left my job this 2009 in a bad economy to make

40:36 videos for a living I had no income for essentially three months so the best

40:40 long story short best advice that I can give is know your industry you want to

40:45 start a website know about a website I I

40:49 I was so like blindly ignorant I mean I look back and I just want to smack

40:52 myself in the face um no know your

40:55 industry before you get into anything um I had the benefit of being sort of just

40:59 by dumb Luck first to Market so it's easier to get notice and much harder now

41:04 and it's a much more crowded field so if you want to get into YouTube or Tech

41:08 World find your own voice let your personality come through don't be a

41:11 robot don't copy anybody else's style find your own um and uh fight through

41:16 all the hate that is absolutely fantastic advice especially that last

41:20 thing any new employee here who is going to be on camera I actually am kind of an

41:25 to them intentionally um and the reason for that is because whatever I

41:29 can say to you is not on Tenth of what the internet's going to throw at you and

41:33 the bit about finding your own voice and your own style is so important because

41:37 so many people ask me how do I be a how do I be a YouTuber and the answer is is

41:43 is always to be passionate and

41:47 understand what you're trying to talk about because otherwise people are going

41:50 to people's people's radar is so sensitive these days they're not

41:55 going to buy it you're abs abs absolutely and don't fall in the Trap of

41:59 of selling yourself for reviews you know don't think you have to give good

42:02 reviews because it's going and sent you a product the audience knows be yourself

42:06 on camera be genuine and um you know I

42:09 think you guys will will find success if you just follow that path all right uh

42:13 this is just hilarious and I'm I'm sorry to do this to you but uh please jsy asks

42:18 where do babies come from so here's how here's how it happens all right so you

42:25 sit at home you don't know I don't even know how to answer that

42:28 question all right all right all right interested all right here we go here we

42:32 go hold on let's see if we got anything else John do you recommend the Nexus 5

42:36 for the price or could you recommend a better phone for the price o no no

42:39 better phone for the price Nexus 5 for sure there we go yeah that's an easy one

42:43 that was a really easy one yeah um will Steam and NVIDIA will you try to let me

42:49 see if I can see anything that uh uh okay we already talked about Nexus

42:53 5 Guys you're going to have to go back and watch the archive if you want to hear about NEX 5 from John do you have

42:58 any initial thoughts let's make this the last question here do you have any initial thoughts on the Nexus 5 and its

43:03 camera quality so we do funny you should

43:06 mention that we actually Ju Just finished writing and filming a full test

43:11 of the video and still camera quality uh on the next five so if you want to see

43:15 that we'll have the post up actually tomorrow Saturday on technobuffalo.com

43:18 can we get a short teaser but I will give you a sneak preview it's good it's

43:24 good it's not great okay that is very

43:27 fair so guys make sure you check that out on TechnoBuffalo tomorrow John

43:31 you've been an absolutely fantastic guest thank you so much for joining us

43:35 and my pleasure thank you guys for having me I appreciate this was a lot of fun guys make sure that you're following

43:39 John on Twitter oh we should have his Twitter handle in there John for Lakers

43:43 and uh you know harass him on Twitter tell him how great he was because the

43:47 more messages I see about how great he was the more likely I am to bring him

43:50 back although I can already tell you we would be happy to have you back anytime you were F I would love to be back and

43:54 it's internet I don't do well with compliment so you do you do much better

43:57 to just like yell at me awesome next time I'll make sure I have something we

44:02 disagree on okay sounds good thank you guys very

44:05 much for uh for having me it was was a really a good time and I look forward to

44:09 doing it again hopefully sometime soon take care thanks a lot bye bye all right

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45:53 use offer code Linus so I'm thinking we jump over the BBM topic and go directly

45:58 to psus because we just talked about phones for a we talked about phones for

46:02 a long time you guys want to talk about some hardcore PC Hardware let's do that

46:06 thing so we're going to jump into an anct article about bronze versus

46:10 platinum power supplies because we've talked about this before um but we've

46:14 just kind of like generally talked about the idea of it yes these guys actually

46:18 run some pretty hardcore numbers these are hardcore numbers which is what Anon

46:21 Tech is fantastic for and if this page ever loads then why don't you why don't

46:26 you go ahead and run them through some of the rationale so first what is 80 plus 80 plus is efficiency levels so if

46:31 you're above 80 80% efficiency you get

46:34 different rankings uh 80 plus Platinum is like basically 90 plus but not quite

46:40 so that is how much energy is wasted in the conversion from AC power which comes

46:44 out of your wall to DC power which is what your computer uses how much is

46:47 saved you're you're saving you're not wasting 80% oh yeah yeah how much how

46:52 how efficient the conversion is okay so anyway what are some of these numbers looking like so don't actually have the

46:57 sheet up but I remember from memory when you're idling bronze compared to

47:01 platinum uh you're saving about $7 and

47:04 something remember these are going to be US dollars so wherever you are you can

47:08 convert that as much as you want yeah and it really depends on energy costs in your area as well that's another thing

47:12 to factor in and it depends on energy cost one thing is like I I don't think our energy probably costs as much as an

47:17 ntex does um so our cost wouldn't be the

47:20 same as this but O Canada yeah O Canada Hydro power woo um so like there's

47:27 there's a bunch of different factors into play which will make it different for where you live but basically

47:31 essentially for where an anch did their testing you're saving about $7 and

47:34 something when you're idling and you're saving up I think it's like 23 is that a

47:38 year or a month a year a year and it's 247 operation 247 operation idling for

47:43 an entire year and then under load which is like heavy load 247 for a whole year

47:50 you can save about 23 25 bucks so my conclusion from this was if you're one

47:55 of those guys on Save the line of folding team and you're pushing your

47:58 CPUs and everything like 100% all the

48:02 time and you expect to get 3 to five years of life out of your power supply

48:05 then maybe not a bad idea look into high efficiency power supplies but if you're

48:10 someone who's going to come home and game for two or three hours and shut your computer off other than that maybe

48:15 don't shell out the extra money for the Platinum power supply would you get a

48:19 cheaper one although one thing I have noticed is that silver and gold level

48:22 power supplies are becoming cheaper and cheaper that's true they are and you know what honestly there are other

48:27 things that you can do to optimize your system for power efficiency so hold on a

48:30 second here is their actual graph where they com they compared the thermal light

48:35 power 450 watt to the EA 450 Earth Watts

48:39 Platinum so those are the actual two power supplies that they're looking at

48:42 and the funny thing about them choosing 450 watt power supplies for this test is

48:47 that I have a a point about that more than changing the efficiency level the

48:52 80 plus rating of the power supply you're buying buying an appropriate

48:56 power supply for your system could be could could actually save you more money

49:00 because when you over Buy 80 plus platinum and 80 plus ratings only

49:04 factoring down to 20% load under that

49:07 load there is no spec there is no requirement so it could be extremely

49:11 inefficient at very low loads and if you completely over bu your power supply you

49:15 buy 1200 watt power supply for a system that's going to pull 250 watts underload

49:19 and like 45 Watts or 60 watts at idle you might be you might be getting the

49:24 worst efficiency ever and you would never even know about it and like your

49:27 highest efficiency isn't at that 20% where the graph starts it's a little bit

49:31 in there so you want to be actually using a bit of your power supply for it to be really efficient all right so

49:35 phone blocks has been making major waves

49:39 so I think the first person who posted about Project Ara on the Forum is MGS

49:43 star so I wanted to give a shout out to you for posting in the lineus tech tips

49:47 news section of the Forum but this is the original Motorola post here I'm just

49:52 going to go ahead and fire this up the official Motorola blogs goodbye sticky

49:57 hello ARA so sticky was a truck that apparently treed across the us or going

50:02 somewhere with a bunch of rooted phones some 3D printing equipment and the goal

50:06 was this my friends so much like phone

50:10 blocks' goal is a modular phone design

50:13 that is upgradeable and can be tailor made to a specific purpose that is the

50:18 purpose of Project Ara so this is a whole lot of renders from what I'm

50:22 looking at right now and not necessarily um concrete proof that Project Ara is a

50:27 real thing yet however um let's do a

50:31 quick recap of of what the so the okay Motorola is working with phone blocks in

50:36 terms of publicity so in terms of publicity so go what are your thoughts

50:39 on essentially there was Project sticky Motorola was already working on this yes

50:42 phone blocks and behind closed doors essentially phone blocks comes out and

50:46 builds a huge Community now Motorola realizes that for this platform to be

50:51 open and accepted by a huge amount of people they need a following these types

50:54 of devices and these types of groups need a following is that playing audio

50:58 nope muted okay so what they did is they decided to partner up with phone blocks

51:02 who essentially came up with the same idea just slightly different um and grab

51:07 that huge Community that's there that that tweeted about this on the

51:10 Thunderclap that that's been following the videos that's been on Reddit all

51:14 that kind of stuff you're seeing a summary of all of that over here hey it was Marcus brownley anyway go ahead so

51:19 they they want to grab all of this that you're seeing over here and attach it to

51:24 their product basically so they partnered up with ph block so that they can get the community of phone blocks

51:29 and the hardware of Motorola to come together and that's now here's here's

51:34 okay here's I'm gonna I'm gonna summarize the issues and I'm actually

51:39 going to use an article from a nonch to summarize some of them because I love

51:42 these guys so much and I just you should just go on their site every day that's what I do um anyway so they they

51:47 summarize some of the issues so issue number one purely Hardware perspective

51:51 there is a tradeoff between purpose building something as compactly and as

51:55 efficiently as possible and building something that is more

51:59 modular it will be bigger and it will be bulkier and it will be heavier tradeoff

52:03 number two that they bring up is regul regulations so FCC only tests single

52:08 configurations for approval these are devices that send and receive signals so

52:12 having them be modular and just completely interchangeable might

52:15 actually be a a a showstopper depending on how how they can get individ can they

52:21 get individual Parts FCC regulated what if they work together and then they

52:25 cause interference I mean I've seen stuff as ridiculous as a lamp and a baby

52:29 monitor plugged into the same circuit that cause interference on the baby

52:32 monitor this stuff is complicated and a cell phone is a hell of a lot more

52:36 complicated than a baby they're going to have to get each individual part cleared

52:39 but what about if you take this one and put it together and it causes some kind of problem but then wouldn't they have

52:43 to test that to be able to clear it exactly yeah so it's going to be really

52:46 complicated yeah but maybe maybe it can be done and then the final issue that

52:50 they see is actually one of History where Intel tried to do this with a

52:55 project whitebook or whatever it was called hold on a second yeah whitebook

52:59 where they wanted upgradable modular notebooks I mean Intel has been an

53:03 advocate of of PCS being a component

53:06 business they make CPUs and they make other parts like ssds motherboards not

53:10 anymore but by and large they like that approach historically in their business

53:15 they've wanted that but even they are not trying to do that on smartphone at

53:19 all and they gave up on laptop because

53:22 the market showed that what it wanted was tightly integrated devices that are

53:27 beautiful and sleek and slim and small and lightweight and highly highly

53:31 integrated so I'm going to bring up a couple other things that that I think

53:35 here so um here here's here's a big Pro

53:38 you know what oh where's that thread on the Forum crap there was a great post on

53:42 the Forum that uh that I really liked about about phone blocks I didn't remove

53:47 any phone blocks yeah no I know you didn't remove it but uh I really wanted

53:51 to give this user a shout out here because they did a great job of

53:55 summarizing it it but the issue is that much like the

54:01 PC when's the last time you upgraded a

54:04 component of a PC that's what I was just going to bring up is the the main

54:07 problem that I find is that um especially they're saying like developing markets all this kind of

54:11 stuff whenever I see anyone upgrade anything it's pretty much always a

54:16 bucket upgrade it's not like a single component uh that happens with computers

54:20 that happens with practically everything I can think of to be to be completely

54:23 honest um someone still kind of likes their car one component fails they're

54:27 like ah it's fairly expensive to fix it I could but I'm just going to buy a new

54:31 one and there's a lot of that and that mentality especially on the high end I

54:36 don't really feel like it's going to change and and and there's the fact that a lot of the time it doesn't make any

54:40 sense because by the time you're unhappy

54:43 with something or by the time there's even a suitable replacement that you

54:47 would even want there's probably a suitable replacement for some other

54:51 aspect of the device that you also want I mean The evolutionary changes that

54:55 happen between Galaxy Device a Galaxy S

54:58 to a Galaxy S2 to an S3 to an S4 they

55:01 they change almost everything they put faster storage in them faster processor

55:04 bigger screen better screen they do all these things at the same time and I

55:08 think what's going to what's going to end up happening is much like on the PC where someone like I mean Intel and AMD

55:13 and NVIDIA are all notorious for doing this oh uh buy this motherboard now and

55:17 upgrade the CPU later no when the last time you upgraded a CPU in a system come

55:21 on by the time you're you you're ready to ready to spend money on that again

55:26 there's a better motherboard and a better CPU and a better graphics card

55:29 you take that old machine and you hand it off to someone else or even if you

55:32 perform all those upgrades within a reasonable period of time you're still going to end up with an entire computer

55:36 or an entire phone worth of leftover Parts there's they didn't go away

55:40 there's a few use cases that I see for this there's um the person Ste mine ex

55:45 there's the person that's extremely accident prone I know a few um that

55:49 constantly break their screens um or constantly break X Y or Z but then we

55:54 don't need a fully modular phone for that we just need an easily replaceable

55:58 screen yes but none of them are and

56:01 they're not really going in that direction except for this where you could take all the modules off the back

56:06 buy a new base put all the modules in and it would probably be a lot cheaper

56:10 okay because I'm assuming that I haven't looked a ton into Project Ara but the

56:13 the screen is built into the base unlike phone blocks right uh Project Ara they

56:18 are talking replaceable screen right now okay okay didn't know that so you could just take the whole base all your

56:22 modules replace the screen which is awwesome because I know ton of people

56:26 that just break their screens repeatedly their phone's still fine it still works

56:30 in the background I know a buddy actually like a day or two ago that

56:34 broke his screen phone's still fine boots up all good can't see anything

56:37 though so not really helpful that would be helpful for someone like that or

56:42 someone who has no real interest in upgrading all the time but wants a phone

56:45 that can text people call people and take really nice photos so they're going

56:49 to spend a bit on their camera module and a bit on their storage module and

56:54 that's about it so very specialty yeah now all of that stuff about how this is

56:59 impossible that I just said oh yeah the last one that wasn't even brought up by

57:02 on but that I think is really important is who who's going to support this if

57:07 I'm Samsung and I'm used to selling people $600 or $700 devices that are all

57:12 made by me am I going to turn around and go yeah yeah Motorola hey here we're

57:18 going to make we're going to make really great components for your thing so that

57:21 we can sell something for like 30 bucks rather than selling someone a whole

57:25 phone and so you can sell them the rest of the phone and I'm not just talking

57:28 about Samsung I'm talking about everyone and it's not even just I'm not

57:32 criticizing Samsung for it it's just a reality that would be terrible business

57:36 but how much of the device can like okay

57:39 one maybe Samsung doesn't sell anything

57:43 maybe Samsung sells the parts to Motorola you buy everything from

57:46 Motorola right why would they sell why would they even want to sell these parts

57:49 to Motorola to support this project we've seen awkward competitiveness

57:53 behind the scenes where where Samsung makes some device for apple and apple

57:56 Mak some device for whatever and we've seen that in the past where it doesn't

58:00 seem to make a lot of sense but they made money but if it's not being integrated at a higher level sled has

58:05 from Samsung or from a you know a flash manufacturer or a camera manufacturer I

58:09 mean that's the thing is all these guys are so vertically integrated to the point where they'll borrow from each

58:13 other but you know if they can use their own sensor design or their own flash or

58:18 their own yeah I expect mot as much as their own stuff as they possibly can but

58:22 I I think I think it's don't have they don't build flat flash they don't build

58:27 processors but it's Google Google makes flash do they know no I thought goog

58:32 software only recently flash makers are imft Samsung SanDisk like like Intel

58:41 these are the guys who actually so Intel is the crucial Intel uh joint project so

58:46 no the actual manufacturing of any of this stuff Motorola has to convince

58:51 actual manufacturers who are actually selling this crap in their own devices

58:55 to support this Good Luck Chuck that's all I have to say

58:58 I think if they're buying it it'll happen Okay so with all of that said

59:02 here's my last thing this is how it could work low-end devices y this is

59:07 where I see the potential I think that all the enthusiasts getting really

59:11 excited about things like the phone blocks promotional video for the thunder

59:15 clap are duding themselves because that's not really what this is about in

59:20 order to build a device let's say even within the next year or even two years

59:25 we'll be looking so to build a device that could have a somewhat reasonable

59:28 form factor somewhat reasonable weight and perform well let's say as well as a

59:34 device today we'd be looking at significantly downgraded Hardware it

59:39 would have to be much lower power it would have to be much smaller to make up

59:42 for all the extra room that you're going to waste with the housings that have to

59:46 go around each component and with the interconnects that have to be built into

59:49 it and the like in order to compensate for that we're going to be looking at

59:53 low-end devices and I think that that's where something like Project Ara could

59:56 be great for developing nations where I

60:00 think all these enthusiasts are getting excited thinking that we're going to be building high-end Uber phones that you

60:06 can up you I'll be able to upgrade it with a 16 core processor this and yeah

60:09 sure if you wanted it to be this thick or whatever else we are very quickly

60:13 reaching a lot of there's a great article on PC per about how graphics

60:17 card performance is slowing down and we've seen explosive growth in Mobile

60:21 but for many of the same reasons that we saw explosive growth in graphics cards

60:24 compared to CPUs where wasn't just that the manufacturing processes were

60:28 shrinking the other thing going on here was that the manufacturers were learning

60:32 how to optimize for this well phones are

60:35 already not able to really benefit from manufacturing process shrinks in the

60:40 same way that graphics cards and CPUs were able to benefit for years so what

60:44 we're seeing right now is some benefit there but a lot of it is actually just

60:48 coming from optimization so once they get a good handle on how to design these

60:52 things to get more power we're just going to have to draw more power and

60:56 it's just going to have to be bigger and need more Cooling and all that stuff and obviously Mo's law isn't done yet not by

61:01 a long shot but for for for Project Ara

61:04 to come in a reasonable period of time and be in a reasonable form factor I

61:08 think it's a low-end play and I think it makes a ton of sense there where again

61:11 replacement parts or lowcost upgrades or

61:15 you know saving on electronic waste these are all great things that are

61:19 going to happen but not at the highend the high-end you know U developed Nation

61:24 consumer has shown time and time again that they want an Alienware or they want

61:31 a MacBook Pro or they want these highly integrated devices that have economies

61:36 of scale on their side in terms of cost as well in addition to the manufacturing

61:40 advantages and the fact that they're lighter and thinner and faster and etc

61:44 etc etc not an alien wor so much but uh

61:47 they're heavier they're faster I was talking about their laptop specifically

61:51 they're faster yeah they'll have like SLI GTX 680m yeah but other people may

61:55 yeah but I mean they're faster than a highly integrated solution yeah okay so I

62:00 looked up the Google thing and what I was confused about was how they were when they were selling Enterprise drives

62:04 and everyone was like how the hell are they doing that are they making their own yeah I didn't end up following that

62:08 up so I thought they making yeah okay I think the issue with volume today is

62:12 that that's really far away we need to get that closer it needs to be like here

62:16 um so we can well don't worry we'll reposition the mic next week I'll just yell more to compensate hopefully that

62:21 makes up for that's going to make it Peak because the gain's too high apparently so oh

62:26 fine uh so moving right on to Google Smartwatch and Google Glass news this is

62:32 of course a huge deal with the Kit Kat optimizations for low power devices with

62:37 the my internet is apparently being a giant turd I have you keep disconnecting

62:41 yeah I have no idea what's phone the issue is my notebook I think I think it

62:45 needs a restart so um you know what well let's just let's just talk about it if

62:50 if you let me diagnose this you can talk about what's on there right turn it off and back on again um did you try to

62:55 rebooted yes I did thank you it Crow's awesome I actually expected you to kind

63:01 of Knight through this whole topic okay pick another topic then maybe do some of

63:05 our uh I tried see I'm so used to touchcreen I tried to scroll his uh his

63:09 laptop okay I don't even like it go down and do some of our rapid fire topics um

63:12 can I do graphics cards no I want to get into that one so yeah don't worry guys

63:17 it's coming uh give me one sec so amongst a few things one of the most

63:22 ridiculous topics we have this week is actually the massive EXP that just took

63:27 up space and uh kind of sat there in Vancouver which is kind of good job you

63:34 took up a parking lot in Vancouver which is like super not helpful for all the

63:38 people that have serious trouble parking in Vancouver every single day thank you

63:42 for that that was great I don't even go to Vancouver and that drives me a little

63:45 bit nuts but either way it's a hype machine so we're talking about it along

63:49 as a whole bunch of other people um yeah we don't even care about Xbox one I'm

63:53 not planning to buy one someone asked me if I'm going to do an unboxing I said yeah sure if I get a free one yeah I'm

63:58 not going to buy buy it though so I think your unboxing would be kind of hilarious I I'd just be like oh yeah

64:04 okay so it's a black it's a box I think that's an Xbox logo on the front but uh

64:08 it's not the first one so I don't know about that but yeah if you if you can

64:13 see in that picture which I'm pointing at which you can't see let me show you

64:16 how to point at things you go like this this way there you go there we

64:21 go if you can see that if you can see the building behind it you can tell how

64:25 actually insanely big that is yeah and like the lines on the parking stalls

64:29 right here like it's huge it's ridiculous massive it's really freaking

64:34 big and then they're just like yeah it's there so you can like go look at it and

64:38 stuff I think you can also enter a contest to win an Xbox One or something

64:42 like that if you go there is like uh you can do it online too though you can do

64:45 okay well so if you go to a URL which is

64:49 I was just planning on us clicking on it but it's xbox.com dca1 Source if you go to that

64:55 which is a little bit probably sounded weird and I said it really quickly but

64:58 oh well you can put in your Gamertag and I think one or two other little bits of

65:02 information you'll be put in a draw to win some stuff right now all we know in

65:06 that group of stuff is an Xbox one but there's some other like things that they

65:10 haven't really said yet I'm going to go out on a limb and I'm going to say some of the other stuff will be Xbox Live

65:15 subscriptions and probably controllers and more Xbox Ones or games or games

65:20 perhaps games probably exclusive games probably exclusive games just some

65:23 assumptions this is like the I don't know I I wanted to have this in here and

65:28 I think you actually added it but I wanted this I didn't remove it because I

65:31 thought it was hilarious that they just like were like oh yeah there's a big

65:34 Xbox in a parking lot in Vancouver go look at it yeah do that thing hype

65:39 machine yeah I don't know kind of obscene um okay so my uh my output's not

65:45 working here unless it is which we are about to find out it is a I can jump on

65:49 to the next one sure yeah jump on to our next one so a gas station clerk took a

65:53 bullet to the chest and was okay and how he did this was by having his phone in

65:59 his pocket apparently um so he didn't even actually realize that his phone

66:04 like was broken or what was the cause of it until he po it out took it out of his

66:08 pocket which I think is kind of crazy but he was probably on an insane adrenalin High because he was just shot

66:12 at so he probably didn't feel it because of that but it's actually kind of nuts

66:17 so his HTC phone and I'm calling that out for a reason um blocked the bullet

66:23 made him not be critically injured or died judging by the fact that a phone

66:27 blocked the bullet he maybe not died but either way it wasn't going to be helpful

66:32 yeah it wasn't going to be a good situation and then the phone made it a

66:35 not bad situation I'm wondering how fast he's going to go out and buy another HTC

66:40 phone or how fast HTC sends him a free phone or how fast H exactly I bet you

66:46 his next phone however he gets it will probably be an HTC phone so there's a

66:51 picture of the phone you can see the bullet entry right there and how it just decimated the screen but but it's a

66:56 bullet so yeah maybe what we should do is uh instead of drop test is uh

67:00 criticize criticize HTC for the phone breaking it's it's ridiculous I can't

67:04 believe they think this level of quality is acceptable in today's market what we

67:07 should do is we should bullet test an Xbox one as part of the unboxing we should

67:12 take it out to a range and just shoot the crap you have a you have a license

67:16 right yeah yeah okay so we could legitimately do it without it just being

67:20 like you can go to a range and shoot without a license a license is only for

67:24 purchasing and um holding on to like having acquiring

67:29 purchasing all you can go shooting like you can actually go with someone into

67:32 the woods to an area where you can shoot and if they own the gun you can shoot

67:36 and that's not illegal oh okay not that any of this matters for the stream but

67:40 yeah just putting this out there so we can yeah this would be no problem if we wanted to go shoot stuff okay so here's

67:44 what I'm going to have to do I'm just going to have to build us um another little uh scene here guys give us a

67:50 moment here oh look at that we already have this one so then all we have to do

67:54 is add screen region boo what did I do oh that

67:59 was grabbed the side on yeah I got this there we go there we go okay so we're

68:04 adding the screen region all right so let's move into our next topic which

68:10 is oh you know what I probably kind of did this wrong sorry everyone there we

68:14 go let's go move ourselves into the corner

68:18 and yeah expit go away okay Google

68:22 Smartwatch and Google Glass news so this was from ABC News New with new Google

68:28 Glass and Smartwatch Google wants to be all over your body and they're not the

68:31 only one if your name is Slick because I want to be all over your body I knew

68:35 where that was going all right so the Explorer Edition so first up Glass

68:39 Explorer Edition owners can invite up to three others so I actually reached out

68:43 to Marcus brownley from MKBHD already I

68:46 am assuming that this all works and goes according to plan going to be getting my

68:50 hands on this one it's available in new colors with a new earbud which I kind of

68:55 look at and I go oh man that's going to look ridiculous but h i I see how it's

69:02 necessary but I'm not I'm not super thrilled on it no I don't think there's

69:06 a picture but I think it looks it looks pretty ridiculous um but a bigger thing

69:10 is that it is now prescription compatible so that is pretty darn cool

69:15 that is a really big deal um it is still

69:19 sort of slated for a 2014 launch and they haven't said anything about whether

69:23 battery life has been dramatically improved in any anyway so um I'm going

69:27 to I'm excited to try out Explorer I'm sure you're excited to try it out yeah

69:30 for sure and one thing is the new Kit Kat update actually helps with battery

69:34 life a little bit in the Bluetooth and Wi-Fi regions if I remember correctly

69:38 who knows where they were targeting that smart watches class SmartWatches and

69:42 glass so so I think if even if they didn't do anything necessarily to Glass

69:47 in particular for battery life I think it'll be slightly better just because of those two protocols all right so our

69:51 next thing here boom sorry guys this is going to be a little bit inelegant for

69:55 now um and that oh right I I went to it

69:58 on my laptop because I'm used to that so

70:03 good heck's going on here all right so Google May launch a smartwatch before

70:07 Apple the new device would be quote unquote personal

70:11 assistant so obviously the one in the picture guys is not a rumored Google

70:16 Smartwatch that is the Galaxy Gear from Samsung yeah so go it's interesting it

70:21 kind of reminds me of how you treat your Pebble actually which is more like you

70:27 get messages there and you'll notice that someone's calling you and then

70:30 you'll go get your phone it's not really necessarily like something to do a whole

70:34 bunch of things on no and I think that's where Samsung really went wrong they

70:38 tried to make it too much it's like oh well you can return text you can do this you can do you know what I can still do

70:42 that faster on my phone yeah and I actually I I like the way you use it

70:46 because I know even if you don't have your phone on you if I need to just text

70:49 you something that I don't really need to reply back from I just need you to

70:53 know I'll just be like bo bo bo I just don't even care it saved my bacon a

70:57 number of times I was on a court playing badminton and I had left my phone off to

71:00 the side as I'm apt to do and I got a message from my parents that they

71:03 couldn't bring my baby home and I had to go get him so I was able to go get him

71:07 before it was bedtime and then uh just today I had left my phone on the table

71:11 because we were playing music off of it and uh I got a message from you I think

71:16 and it was important and I was like oh oh balls where's my phone but that's that's good and it

71:21 makes a lot of sense and I like that angle actually because that at least for

71:24 now is where I think smart watches should be oh if Google's watching or

71:27 anyone's watching you know those things that you can keep in your wallet that set off proximity alarms like proximo uh

71:33 that needs to be built into SmartWatches so we can enable functionality where if

71:37 I go too far away from my phone it'll uh it'll let me know so there anyone

71:41 listening there's my uh all I want is 20 bucks okay so if anyone implements that

71:46 idea 20 bucks and you can have the patent I don't care no not per just 20 I

71:50 just want 20 bucks or even just buy me a pizza there we'll call I think that might have happened we'll call that done

71:54 if someone's already done it then whatever oh someone bought us a p oh what I think Brandon has it a pizza I

72:00 think so what I'm pretty sure Brandon do you have

72:05 pizza I think he was letting us finish our topic who hey there's Pizza wow okay

72:11 so someone Implement is going to implement this idea oh so it's from The

72:16 Forum there you go a thank you what is

72:20 it celebrating I don't think

72:23 anything how did they get this address I

72:26 know how I didn't give it to them I know how it was you

72:30 oh well thank you guys very much for the pizza so uh because because it's what

72:36 the alpha male does I'm going to eat first while slick has to uh while slick

72:41 has to talk about our new topic I think there's specific rules that you can't

72:44 have any I don't know if those rules stayed no too

72:47 bad so the FAA is loosening the rules

72:51 for E devices on airline flights this was posted by donon whatever man I don't

72:56 know what to tell you Del okay so there's a picture of someone using a

72:59 laptop on a flight and all I have to say is about fraking time and then I'm

73:03 having a piece of pizza yeah it should have happened a long time ago it's been kind of ridiculous even when I was a kid

73:08 playing Game Boy Color on the phone on the on the plane sorry not the phone um

73:12 when the lady would come by and tell me to turn it off I'd just be

73:15 like really like even as a kid how does

73:19 what no there's no way this I'm going to take down a plane with my game boy like

73:24 that's ridiculous and and it's been kind of crazy forever one thing that I think

73:27 is nuts about this is that there's so much crap going on right now and like

73:31 the senate had to get behind this to push it through like couldn't you do

73:36 other stuff like I'm happy this happened and I do actually I don't think it's

73:41 important necessarily but I think it was ridiculous that it existed and I'm happy

73:45 it's gone and it should have been gone I just don't think it necessarily needed

73:50 the like I don't think it should have been required the amount of as it was

73:54 that's ridiculous been so simple now it's not like all the devices all the

73:59 time so phones are still not allowed um

74:02 unless they're in airplane mode and I think they're still asking for certain

74:06 things during taxi and takeoff and you know what some of the concerns I kind of

74:10 understand having a bunch of laptops and like trade tables down and all this

74:13 stuff going on when you're when you're landing and things could be flying

74:17 around in an emergency lot of heavy devices so like this laptop would be

74:22 You' have to Stow it which makes sense because like I think it's 90% of the

74:26 problems happen within 10k of Landing or taking off so if if if there's a higher

74:32 possibility of a problem stole your device that could knock someone out and I get that but on the other hand if I'm

74:36 like if I got my earbuds in and my phone's in my pocket come on man I mean

74:40 honestly I do it anyway I usually wear a hood when I fly so I just put my hood on

74:44 and then I have my earbud going around the other side and then I just have my phone in my pocket and and there's no

74:48 there's no amplification of the signals by having that many of them Wi-Fi is

74:52 going to be allowed now and I've had people saying why would you want Wi-Fi on a plane I can think of a hundred

74:56 reasons to have Wi-Fi on a plane DS multiplayer um you can stream

75:00 multiplayer sweet I know right uh you can stream using like uh to your

75:04 smartphone using those little like external hard drives that are battery

75:08 powered this is something that I do all the time um no it's

75:11 fantastic all right so moving on to our next topic which I would normally open

75:15 up on my laptop but instead I'm going to open it up over here because for

75:18 whatever reason my output's not working I I blame DisplayPort even though I

75:22 love DisplayPort so this is something

75:25 hard to even call a rumor with a straight face this was tweeted to me by

75:29 St toe and it's from overclockers

75:33 do.uk where some guy if you scroll down

75:37 where's his GPU Z shot I think it's uh

75:41 no Catalyst Control Center yeah okay so R9 200 series etc

75:46 etc etc ah yes here so his frequency is

75:49 wrong okay so there's there's hint number one and then I don't know if we

75:53 see spe there we go so the frequency is

75:58 wrong and the number of where are the stream processors I don't see them they

76:03 must be ha maybe they're not anyway the frequency is wrong this is according to

76:09 the rumors which it's really hard to call rumors with a straight face now uh

76:13 radon 290 instead of a 290x so a

76:16 retailer in Europe managed to accidentally ship a an r9290 to a member

76:23 of overclockers obviously the guy is like yeah I ordered

76:27 a 290x so I'm going to exchange it but not until I benchmarked it my favorite

76:32 part is like people are seem kind of unsure and he's not releasing a ton of

76:36 information and then all of a sudden he's like GPU photo of the Box photo of

76:41 the card like yep it's pretty epic now there's an

76:46 issue with this a lot of the time when we say okay but bear in mind Guys these

76:50 are early benchmarks actually there's not going to be that much of a

76:54 difference espe ESP with CPUs when we see that I mean they always have it

76:58 every single time somehow Toms gets a sample like six months early go back and

77:04 look at all of those and it's basically the same performance I mean someone like

77:08 Intel has finalized pretty much everything and they're working on

77:12 fine-tuning for like the last six months leading up to a launch that's how they

77:16 project launch days a quarter or two quarters in advance because they know

77:19 it's done I don't actually find graphics cards to be the same they're ramping up production graphics cards are a little

77:23 bit different yeah where particularly the hardware was probably done a while

77:27 ago but the drivers could be being tweaked in the days leading up to the

77:31 launch or even the days after the launch so whatever benchmarks that he's run I

77:36 know for a fact that those performance numbers may not have very much to do at

77:41 all with how r9290 performs I thought you going the other way and I was like

77:45 whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa no no no I mean so so guys take them with a grain of

77:49 salt but until we know pricing and the real performance of r9290 we won't know

77:54 sorry I got something in my eye the whole story all right r9290 and like it

78:00 it could be it could be accurate could be accurate it's all speculation right

78:05 now yeah all right so moving on to our next

78:10 topic this is another rumor this was posted online as Tech tips forum and uh

78:15 it's got the classic fry GIF shut up GIF

78:18 sorry Shut Up And Take My Money the rumor and which we can't verify is that

78:23 the GeForce GTX 7 GTI has 2,880 Cuda

78:28 cores all right so that if it were true

78:31 would be more than GeForce GTX Titan so

78:35 here's all the rumors you guys can check out the thread it was posted by you

78:38 better not and of course um the you

78:41 better not thing is we better not discuss anything that we're under NDA

78:45 about so all we can say is this is what's in that thread there are rumors

78:49 out there on the internet that it'll be available in 3 gig 6 gig and 12 gig

78:53 configurations um although I think the Galaxy images

78:57 are actually pretty interesting are they is it yeah it was it was galaxy images I

79:02 think that showed like three different configurations um there's stuff that's

79:06 no surprise like support for NVIDIA surround and adaptive vsync that I think

79:10 were're probably we I mean okay I'm not going to say it but I think it would be

79:14 stupid if something like that was even under embargo but there you go guys the

79:18 rumors are out there our card is here we've been briefed on it and we are very

79:23 excited to bring you coverage of it as soon as we can but uh that is all we can

79:27 really say for now what we can say is that with everything that's been going

79:31 on lately between AMG and NVIDIA man shots fired shots fired back shots

79:37 returned I mean will these it it feels like one of the ships has to sink

79:41 they're going to run out of cards or they're going to run out of bullets with all the launches and

79:46 pricing tweaks and performance tweaks and everything that's going on it is an

79:50 exciting time for graphics card technology right now and next week we

79:54 think we're going to finally see all the dust settle and all the cards will be on

79:58 the table and we have a lot of videos coming out next week so a lot of plans

80:02 like Battlefield 4 performance roundups stay tuned for that through the roof we

80:06 have we have so Battlefield 4 we have uh two different GPU tests coming we have

80:10 GPU test coming tonight which is going to be like really really early drivers

80:14 aren't optimized yet he's determined to do it tonight it's like not shot yet

80:17 right it's not shot yet but all the performance testing you spent like the last two days I'm it's releasing tonight

80:22 I'm not losing all that work there is

80:25 days ofar iname playthroughs which what we do

80:30 all cards overclocked which what we do stay tuned it's going to be awesome yeah

80:34 and like yeah the drivers are not optimized yet and there's a few things

80:37 and because of that reason we're going to have another GPU followup once the

80:41 two other cards that are coming out is sometime in the future are out we'll

80:46 have a follow up then all right brothers

80:49 and sisters this is a bit of a direct

80:53 response to to a particular Twitter follower who keeps trolling me about

80:59 well I shouldn't say trolling keeps harassing me what word should I use you

81:02 know the guy I'm talking about right Alexander I don't know what is this even

81:06 all right this is the uh this is the Forgotten oh yes yes yes I what you're

81:10 talking about who keeps getting on my case about not talking about the

81:14 positive things about Bitcoin because typically it only really makes news for

81:19 us when something disastrous happens like it turns out that however many

81:22 percentage of the transactions were drug related or it turns out this or it turns

81:27 out that or some exchange shuts down that's the only time we really talk about it so now just for you man we are

81:32 going to talk about one of the most positive things that could possibly

81:37 exist about any currency this guy buys

81:42 $27 worth of bitcoin is now worth about

81:45 a million bucks which is amazing so what what he

81:50 did was when it was worth around I think it was like 880,000 is he sold out he

81:55 cashed in at about a fifth one of his

81:58 coins and then bought an apartment in like one of the nicest places where he

82:02 lives which is like sweet he bought

82:06 5,000 Bitcoins in 2009 for 27 bucks and

82:09 the only reason he bought it was because he was interested in

82:14 encryption I think he was doing like a paper or something right yeah I'm just

82:17 trying to just trying to find it yeah working on a thesis paper about

82:21 encryption was introduced to the Bitcoin and was like

82:25 I'll buy a for you just to see kind of how it works uh saves his wallet

82:28 password somewhere forgets it and leaves it there uh eventually heard about how

82:34 exploded it was hunted for his password found his password oh my God I have

82:37 basically a million dollars amazing so

82:40 there you go man stop bugging me on Twitter about it now all right we've got

82:45 some more uh I think that's it for let's go back to our to our headline items to

82:48 make sure that we discussed everything um BBM okay but that's not one of our

82:52 headline ones so we we've covered all that stuff um oh yeah yeah let's do BBM

82:57 all right we jumped over because we talk about too much fun stuff so BBM got I

83:01 think 10 million 10 million downloads in the first day now there's a few kind of

83:06 interesting speculations about this actually posted by the point blank on

83:10 the Linus Tech tips Forum if you guys aren't a member go join the Linus Tech tips Forum yeah we had some people show

83:15 up at our Meetup who weren't members so we chastised them thoroughly i' I've

83:19 noticed a few of them are already members that's good yeah they did well to do so um so one thing that I kind of

83:25 was interested in when I first read this was there was that massive amount of

83:30 copypaste purchased reviews M so how

83:34 many downloads are legitimate and how

83:37 many are actually 10 million on the first day cuz if I'm Blackberry I'm

83:41 probably pretty clever with respect to spoofing IP addresses or faking

83:45 downloads of something yeah so they got a lot of downloads I don't know if it

83:49 was actually 10 million but I have seen a lot of people like just friends of

83:53 mine and stuff talking about about it and download it and using it so they are

83:56 getting a lot of downloads I don't know exactly how much it is it is actually

84:00 pretty cool a few main things that I want to point out that it actually does

84:03 is you don't have to give out your phone number to be able to use it which is

84:07 awesome if you're selling stuff online or just like using Craigslist or

84:10 anything like that or if you're someone like me who wants to communicate with

84:14 you know uh followers or whoever else doesn't necessarily want phone calls

84:18 yeah so that's actually very cool uh picture picture sending doesn't suck

84:23 picture sending through text mess just sucks and yes expensive and is expensive

84:28 and there's other services for this but that is just you can have benefits on

84:32 two different I mean that's something that drives me crazy the carriers had

84:36 every opportunity to just crush this whole iMessage and blackberry messaging

84:40 thing by offering more features better security and I mean come on the actual

84:46 amount of data it cost them the like the rates that they charge for texting they

84:50 allowed this whole thing to exist when they could have just made texting fre

84:55 and not had to bother with any of this and like picture test texting is

84:59 terrible yeah and always has been why is it terrible I don't know is ridiculous

85:05 better attachment support you can send like Excel documents and you can send

85:09 all this other stuff which is really cool and it's encrypted end to end it's

85:12 encrypted for you and then it isn't decrypted until it hits the other person

85:16 with the phone and it's apparently not stored on BlackBerry servers I think

85:19 pretty sure um so that's actually really cool if you're someone following the NSA

85:23 stuff and you really care about like kind of stuff and there's a whole bunch

85:26 more that's just all I felt like listing right now um so my thing go ahead my

85:32 thing personally is why the hell didn't this happen years ago and why the hell

85:37 didn't they release their encryption stuff years ago oh like their business

85:41 grade yeah they should have just flipped gears like I don't know how everyone

85:46 didn't notice they should have just flipped gears became a software company

85:50 cuz they're good BBM is good their encryption thing was good they would

85:54 have been really successful and now they have this massive company of Hardware

85:58 stuff that no one cares about and the thing is they could have sold the entire

86:02 ecosystem to corporations I mean it's not just guys remember it's a much

86:06 bigger picture than just selling individual cell phone users you know um

86:11 a secure platform or a secure way of operating their phone or a secure

86:14 messenger because you can sell the backend servers that drive the whole

86:18 thing which they were already heavily invested in so you could you would have

86:22 allowed yourself to not let Android and Apple or Android and iOS catch up to you

86:26 you would have allowed yourself to maintain that dominance there and built a niche but come on I mean who could

86:31 have who could have known that they just didn't stand a chance that Android was

86:35 going to get so much better so fast but years ago they were already

86:40 dead okay like they've they've been dead and flopping around for so long which is

86:44 what I don't understand like yes there was a while there where they were fighting they released the the Bold

86:49 whatever I don't remember the 9300 and they were like kind of cing

86:54 along but then for so long after that they were nothing like why not just flip

86:59 gears or keep producing the hardware whatever to convince investors that it's

87:03 a good idea to do something like that as well and I mean how do you convince

87:07 people that you know a free app is the way forward for your company but the

87:10 encryption and servers and stuff not free app the BBM thing maybe that

87:14 happens later but the encryption and server stuff should have happened a long one way or another guys definitely check

87:19 out BBM um not because we're Canadian and we really want Blackberry to survive

87:24 just because you know it's crossplatform which is great iMessage is fantastic

87:30 except that what it only works with other people who have iOS devices are

87:34 you freaking kidding me Apple like yeah I I'm going to convince all of my

87:39 friends and family that they must use iPhones because I want to use IM messag

87:42 it's ridiculous anyway all right let's move on to the next thing Dell laptops

87:47 Dell issued a recall because they had laptops that smelled like catpa um this

87:52 is don't worry this is a quick top we're not going to talk for too long about

87:55 this but how did this make it through QA honestly like honestly what happened

88:01 here I think that was one of my first comments on the document was like what

88:05 happened so this was posted by chillx Nate On The Forum so the BBC is

88:10 reporting that Dell's latitude 6430u Ultra books have an interesting

88:13 characteristic you won't find in any MacBook Air The Palms rest Palm rest

88:17 emits an odor that smells like cat urine an issue with the manufacturing process

88:21 is thought to be to blame now the funny thing here is you actually have to

88:24 contact Dell and you have to still be within warranty in order to get a

88:29 replacement now it's a business oriented Ultra Book can you imagine walking into

88:32 a business meeting and smelling like cat I mean I have a router that smells

88:37 like Bo which is funny enough but then a laptop that smells like cat you can get

88:41 all kinds of smells out of a faulty plastic manufacturing process and that's

88:45 apparently what happened here it's not a reliability issue or anything like that

88:49 it's just hilarious and it's not bad for your health people speculated about that

88:53 it got a little bit crazy but it's actually fine all right so our last main

88:56 topic of the day before we move on to um

89:00 some of the some of our Forum topics and all that is this video right here this

89:04 was actually tweeted to me by RTE guys

89:08 remember tweeting things to me sometimes works but it's much better and I'll love

89:12 you a lot more if you post on the Forum in the news section because we actually

89:17 have shifted to almost exclusively browsing for news on the Forum because

89:21 we figure what you guys care about is what you want to hear talk about and and

89:25 honestly the new section has gotten so much better oh it's so much better

89:28 pretty much everything ends up there anyway it's so it's so good I mean our

89:31 Forum Community does a great job of maintaining it I mean lineus Tech tips

89:35 Forum News section is my homepage so that's how I stay up to date on

89:40 things which is fantastic to be able to say that about the uh about what the

89:43 community has done there so this video flexible High defin caos displays so

89:49 check this shiz out guys this YouTube

89:53 video right here here I oh but oh yeah

89:57 yeah yeah okay good here we go so let's go ahead and we're just G to um I think

90:03 these advertisement I'm gonna watch Twitch chat because I don't know about

90:06 the audio okay so check this out guys

90:09 just muted that works until now with oxide semiconductors reliability was

90:13 generally a problem check out the way that this display wraps around so you

90:17 could see notifications on the top of the device it's got buttons okay so hold

90:21 on let's let's just go back and look at it again so you you guys should definitely check out this video so it's

90:26 got buttons that sit here on the side and they've got a cool closeup that

90:29 shows you how you might how you might press I mean this is an entirely different way to operate your device and

90:35 then they were also showing off where's the curved battery a curve ah yes

90:39 bendable battery design right here that would be huge for wearable tech tech

90:44 combined with curved displays curved batteries you could be making bracelets

90:50 or armbands or all kinds of crazy awesome wearable techn ology that really

90:55 is whether anyone whether you think so or not really is the future I mean I get

90:59 a kick out of all the speculation about will these guys have a smartwatch will

91:02 SmartWatches be the next yes yes yes it's done it's a foregone conclusion and

91:07 this is absolutely amazing and and like one thing about that too is you can bend

91:11 it around your wrist if it's flat you can bend it around your wrist 10,000

91:14 times apparently before it becomes a problem and you saw their bend test

91:18 there so that's actually pretty cool another crazy thing that they had was

91:21 like I don't remember the exact specs but let me see here a 13 1/2 in 4K

91:26 resolution screen that weighs 10 g go watch that video it's like 4 minutes and

91:30 like it's pretty epic a lot of the time I start watching a video and I'm like okay skim skim I just watched the whole

91:35 thing I was like I need to see this because it's amazing the uh link for it

91:38 will be in the W show Doc at the end you want to start downloading the bill logs

91:42 of the week uh yeah sure is is this it

91:45 uh yeah oh here for crying out loud at

91:48 least we have office on this computer that'll help yes we do okay yay office

91:53 which is still the best so we actually have a bill logs of the week this week

91:57 and it is pretty epic as normal not that surprised um we've changed a little bit

92:02 of the way that we do it uh by suggestion by wher and Dave um my

92:08 moderators who found a better way of doing it so we actually have a little

92:11 bit of hardware specs along with the name at the beginning so if there's

92:14 anything that stands out a little bit we could point it out here the main thing

92:18 being that he went naked on his case which is his brother named his desk the

92:23 plan and it's basically just all sitting on his desk this is a 24 core four

92:27 processor folding machine which is just absolutely Beast well that's one way of

92:32 doing a computer case so it just kind of sits on his

92:36 desk this is a new way of doing a desk

92:40 computer don't even bother bolt it in just you know wood isn't particularly

92:45 electrically conductive so no it's probably fine as long as dust isn't an

92:49 issue and he doesn't accidentally zap it then uh this is an interesting cooler

92:53 layout that we got this is a cable that isn't plugged into anything optical

92:57 drive is clearly too far away to reach an IDE or a SATA

93:02 connector it's kind of awesome there's a little bit more of an updated shot so

93:05 he's actually using a drive cage now yeah all right upgrades and look at the

93:10 it came from a fractal case obviously CU there are the accessories and real

93:14 coolers and more secured cooling setup

93:18 there so he's he's busting out all the folding 24 CPU cores man that's sexy

93:23 that's pretty freaking Beast we're a long way away from games being able to

93:26 leverage something like this but the folding team's been doing really well and in large part thanks to the way that

93:30 folding does leverage more course so that one is for science that one was

93:34 kind of in in big support of our folding team and just to show off some of the interesting things that you can do with

93:37 computers that a lot of people don't actually realize you can now this one check out the case old Russian

93:43 oscilloscope this is pretty cool that is the finished computer wow it's done it's

93:49 in there it works um this isn't if you read the other specs there this is not

93:53 the highest end computer not at all I just I included that cuz I knew you'd

93:57 care because it shows the Finish yeah black prinkle finish it's gorgeous

94:00 yeah so yeah so it's not it's not the

94:04 highest end computer but it's freaking cool and if you go check out all his

94:09 build log you can actually see he takes the whole thing apart like he has to take out the old CRT screen which looks

94:14 ridiculous you got to be careful doing that you don't want them to like explode

94:18 yep and it's it's a really interesting build log also not to a fan not to a fan

94:22 very nice uh so yeah yeah check it out because his build doog is really

94:25 interesting he tears that thing apart and makes just a wonderful little

94:29 machine which is as yeah as you can see oh that's the 24 whatever we're um not

94:34 super high spec but super freaking awesome and yeah I thought those were

94:38 pretty cool okay well I think that's it for the W show for this week unless you

94:41 had anything else to add I think we actually had a very efficient show today

94:45 went pretty quick and covered everything like an hour and a half we ended like right on our Mark and you guys are

94:49 awesome for watching 4500 of you are watching by the end of the show here we

94:54 are as always overwhelmed by your support uh tune in next week same bat

94:58 Time same bat Channel and if you tuned in late or if you know anyone who wants

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95:09 have interruptions I think that was the biggest thing y we didn't have any we

95:13 didn't have any glitchiness today so again thank you for watching until next

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95:20 add after party guys I'm going to be a little bit late because I'm going to finish that

95:24 Battlefield video first uh Battlefield 4

95:27 video first and then we will have an after party that's tomorrow morning Ah

95:32 that's why they have to want a date in the morning yeah she's flying to China

95:35 for two weeks so I've seen her before she leaves oh

95:38 okay anyways that was slightly awkward

95:42 now it's over why are we doing

95:46 that you I can't click it