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June 21st, 2013 Live Stream Archive

Linus Tech Tips ·Linus Tech Tips ·2014-05-07 · 21,957 words · ~109 min read

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0:00 loud and we are live welcome to the live

0:04 stream guys we made

0:07 it here in our new studio space and we

0:13 have a new setup and of course that combines extremely well with

0:19 um what do you want nothing okay uh so

0:24 we're here in our new in our new studio with our new setup which includes sort

0:28 of running our third scene off of my laptop which apparently

0:35 this is stuck on something no I'll just pull on it that

0:39 can only end well that's not going to

0:42 doubt force it that's not going to end well wait a second it could end well no

0:46 it won yes it w see it ended well

0:49 because I I pulled on it which caused a problem for you and your sense of the

0:54 way things should work which meant you rushed over there and fixed it for me

0:58 that ended well pulling on cables is like so let's see if this is still

1:02 working hey hey that's still working too not a very good Tech tip Yank on the

1:06 cable Yank on the cables as long as there's someone nearby who cares about

1:11 that cable and will protect it from you that's my

1:15 kinu so I kind of oh oh and I was going

1:19 to break the mouse too excellent really this is yours yeah

1:26 oh cool all right so let's go ahead head

1:30 and I'm going to crack open the twitch chat also I think we've got a fair bit

1:35 to talk about this week because you were not here last week why don't you update

1:40 the audience on where you are even though I actually think I told them

1:43 probably about half a dozen times during the stream last week cuz people kept joining and then they kept asking so

1:47 carry on he said where I am so technically I'm in the new studio but

1:51 where I was was Korea and I didn't

1:54 actually land when the stream started I landed like a while after the stream

1:58 ended right yeah why did we think you were going to be on time for the stream

2:02 cuz we had your flight details like two three weeks before we left yeah I don't

2:08 know what happened I I don't know why we thought that possible hours late like

2:14 hours and hours late like I I didn't get home until well we went and had dinner

2:18 afterwards but I didn't get home if I minus the time of dinner I didn't get

2:21 home until like 10: which is hours after

2:25 the stream when did we well that would have been okay to join me during the old

2:30 is that what we were thinking that might have been it cuz technically we were still in the old stream time when we

2:34 first started doing the trip details that might be it but then we didn't

2:38 factor in okay so tell tell us about your trip to you've told me nothing about your trip to Korea what happened

2:42 that first night the first uh I don't know how much I

2:48 should have you heard anything about the first night no I know nothing huh how

2:53 into details I know you were I know you were stuck in Korea that's all I know

2:58 okay I'll go through the play byplay I don't know if I anyways I'll just do it

3:01 whatever um so I land my I have three

3:05 phones on me right now because I had the Note One blackberry and my S3 and I have

3:11 my laptop right right laptop's dead Blackberry is dead not's dead S3 has 13%

3:17 oh okay laptop's not dead laptop had about 15% S3 had about 10 15% okay so

3:23 everything's pretty much dead but my assumption was a ton of people in Taipei

3:27 could speak English oh yeah a ton of people you could get around fairly easily right yeah but there was a

3:32 convention in town but there was a convention in town but a lot of the people that just worked in the stores or

3:36 whatever could like at least point you in the right direction yeah however if

3:39 you're like t-shirt extra extra extra large they

3:43 could kind of handle it they could get you to where you need to go food water

3:46 hotel whatever kind of work no not in

3:50 Korea not in Korea the airport was good

3:53 and when I first land in the airport I was like all right I'm good this is good

3:56 by the way when I first land in the airport someone ran up to me cuz I'm wearing it's really bright in the area

4:01 cuz there's lights everywhere in white floors and I just got off a pitch black

4:04 plane cuz Ione have their Windows close so I had my aviators on cuz my eyes were

4:07 still readjusting so I have my aviators on I'm wearing shorts and a t-shirt and

4:12 this dude runs up to me he's like military military military and he looks really angry and I'm like what the heck

4:17 and I kind of thought about it and we had talked about this previously all the

4:21 American GIS that are in oh some of that

4:25 is being happily accepted some of that is not being happily accepted so I

4:29 didn't know what this guy's position was but he was yelling military at me and looked really pissed off so I flashed my

4:34 Canadian passport and was like no no no no no no no no Canada has no military

4:40 it's okay we have some robots we make it by um I heard we had a submarine at one

4:45 point really like one why I don't know

4:49 anyway car no we bought it used from the British or something like that seems

4:52 like a terrible idea I know right man dumb anyways so a flash my

4:59 password whatever get it across that I'm not military he says okay and actually

5:03 was nice and end up escorting me to the like Express train into Soul so I get

5:09 onto the express train into Soul everything seems fine I ran into an

5:13 actually American GI there so I wasn't surprised that he was asking if I was

5:17 one um and I get to Soul station which

5:20 is like Soul Central Station it's this huge hub for Transit tons of trains and

5:25 everything all there um but then right when I get to Soul Central station no

5:30 one speaks English right I try to go get on one of

5:34 the trains and there's no like coin slot or Bill slot or anything so I have no

5:38 idea what's going on I see some people with these like cards that they're

5:42 hitting against the thing and it beeps so like I'm like okay like people have

5:45 NFC cards how do I get one of these like I have no idea what I'm doing I start

5:49 asking around I don't know what the currency rate is and I go to the ATM and

5:52 go to pull out money and the minimum pull out is like $50,000 right okay

5:56 right and I'm like whoa hope hopefully the conversion is

6:01 pretty uh pretty scaled out there because I have no idea how I'm pulling

6:05 how much I'm pulling out of the ATM um and my phone's dead and there's not very

6:09 much free Wi-Fi huh in Soul Central Station there was no free Wi-Fi right

6:14 okay which is nuts there's a McDonald's there there's a whole bunch of stuff

6:17 there that I would expect from being in Canada that there would be free Wi-Fi

6:21 there so I'm thinking okay I might be

6:24 getting through one of these Wi-Fi portals I might be able to get Wi-Fi

6:28 access because some of them I'm cing random Korean buttons hoping that it

6:31 works and like I think I might be getting through one but my phone's

6:34 starting to die because I've been doing this for a while I've been at Soul Central Station for a little while now

6:38 okay so I go to McDonald's hoping that they have Wi-Fi they don't but either

6:42 way I stash all my stuff I load up my laptop put it into sleep and close it so

6:46 that I can drain the battery from my laptop into my phone because at this point in time I'm like my phone's more

6:51 important and there's no plugs that I can use slick power management tips

6:55 right there drain your laptop into your phone yeah there's no there's no power

6:59 plugs like can use right okay cuz I have a like North American PL and you don't

7:02 have a travel adapter don't have a travel adapter because diesel does right

7:07 when you he was supposed to be going before you but it ended up that I was

7:10 going before him so I could catch WCS

7:14 Starcraft so sit down in this McDonald's trying to drain my laptop trying to

7:18 listen to people around me and catch keywords to see if I can like quick

7:22 translate anything on the fly like I'm trying to document everything I can

7:25 right yeah I start just writing down random names of the things at McDonald's

7:29 that I know would be like translations of

7:32 hamburger like so I can like ask for food and stuff like I'm trying to I'm

7:35 like I'm screwed I need to get whatever information I can because I'm

7:40 screwed and Brilliant me when I was in

7:43 the airport someone asked if I wanted a rental phone but it was $9,000 or 9,000

7:47 w a day okay so it seemed way too expensive I didn't know the currency

7:51 conversion so I didn't get it so I didn't have a rental phone yet

7:57 awesome and I knew there was other stuff could do and I assumed free Wi-Fi

8:00 everywhere and if free Wi-Fi was everywhere I knew I'd be able to make it buy right so I wasn't worried I could

8:05 WhatsApp diesel I could do whatever I could communicate I really assumed free

8:08 Wi-Fi everywhere because I'm in Korea right apparently that's not a thing um

8:13 so I don't have a rental phone all that kind of stuff while I'm sitting there um

8:16 this one chick looks at me and she's like hey are you new here in perfect

8:20 English and I'm like yes you can save me

8:25 this is so good um so I start talking to them for a little bit and then they're

8:30 like let's go get food so I'm like okay there's two of them yay we can go get

8:34 food so before I leave I get them to go to the ATM with me and help me figure

8:38 out what the currency conversion is ends up being super easy right um 200,000 is

8:43 basically 200 bucks okay there's a scale off like it's probably plus or minus 20

8:48 bucks or something but it's close enough that it's like okay somewhere around

8:51 there right so I pull out some money we go for food they teach me some of the

8:56 customs with like eating food and going to restaurants and how to like deal with

9:00 people and stuff taugh me a few words that could help me get by um like if

9:03 you're trying to hail someone down how to do it if it's a guy how to do it if it's a girl okay um hello sure just like

9:11 random little things like that like I learned some really basic stuff um and

9:15 they helped me out and then like we're going around cruising around checking

9:19 out different shops and different restaurants and stuff and I'm like hey I need to get like a hotel cuz I need to

9:25 sleep before WCS tomorrow cuz at this point I still want to go to the

9:28 Starcraft event right I haven't had that's a high priority oh it is it's

9:31 definitely a high priority Starcraft um

9:35 I've had no time online yet since hitting Korea right so I have no idea

9:40 what's going on which explains why I didn't hear from you yeah okay or anyone

9:44 like my mom's freaking out yeah you know my mom oh I'm sure your mom was freaking

9:48 out not happy um so I'm cruising around

9:52 you know she Facebooked me

9:56 right did she really yes well in Korea

10:00 asking if you had any info saying that because I think by the time I had

10:04 reached her she had heard from you so something about the only reason I'm

10:08 still alive is that she's heard from you by now or something like

10:12 that I sounds about right okay um so I'm

10:17 like hey I need to get somewhere I figure out that I'm in like the bottom

10:20 of soul and where I wanted to end up was way up in the top of Soul okay at this

10:25 point in time transit's down sure um

10:29 like I don't know how to talk to taxis like it's not a good situation okay um

10:34 so the one chick is like you can just stay at our

10:40 dorms that's what my mom did it ended up

10:43 being fine uhuh so I crashed on the floor of the one chick's dorm room and

10:47 then um the one girl's boyfriend took me

10:51 to WCS in the morning okay and then that was great and then I got to see I went

10:56 to gome Studio which is like my two two of my favorite casters tasteless and

11:00 osis not9 who is my actual favorite Caster but two of my favorite casters um

11:05 got to see them do the semi-finals which was great um talked to them got them to

11:10 sign my Starcraft box which I gave to my brother that was the box with the

11:13 writing okay sure I I brought my Starcraft Heart of the Swarm box I got

11:17 both of them to sign it CU my brother's a caster and he loves casters right so I

11:21 got them to sign that I ended up giving that to my brother and then I talked to

11:24 them about where the finals actually were because they were casting it as a

11:28 spectator oh oh okay okay so they had a camera on them and a screen in their

11:32 desk that was the Starcraft I see okay and when they're casting most of the

11:36 time the Starcraft stream is on the screen so they got to just stare at it and talk about it while was going on

11:40 right but they weren't actually live at the event and the event was in Korea so

11:43 I got to see the semi-finals with them which was awesome but then I wanted to go to the big Arena event cuz I was like

11:48 okay I'm in Korea I got to go to a Starcraft event in an arena CU that's

11:52 awesome so the tasteless which is one of

11:56 the guys um who like I didn't have a marker from to sign my thing cuz I don't

12:00 know how to buy a marker in Korea cuz I like couldn't find a stationary store

12:04 because I'm like where the heck am I supposed to go um I mean I don't want to

12:08 generalize but based on all the Korean exchange students that have ever come to

12:12 my school when I was in like high school and all the stationary that they carry

12:15 with them there should it should bewhere think they have stores for that should be every we ended up I ended up finding

12:20 an insane school supply station yeah like they probably have like every color

12:24 of every penc but that was a few days down not that I'm generalizing it's just

12:28 I mean you can't help but make observations anyway go ahead that yeah I

12:32 I did find that place um NG also known

12:35 as by now Diesel and I call them proxy

12:38 but that's a whole another story proxy sure oh oh okay yeah that uh intern guy

12:44 yeah he ended up showing us one it was awesome but that was a few days down the line that's when after I had met up with

12:48 both of them this was when I was still on my own um so tasteless and I are like

12:53 pulling out tables and stuff trying to find like

12:56 sliding tables away from walls trying to open drawers to find try and find a

12:59 marker he was actually pretty awesome I ended up finding a marker so he signed

13:03 the box for my brother I talked to him for a little bit and then he walked me outside and pointed down a bridge I was

13:07 just like go down there you'll see Arenas and then it's the one in the back

13:11 so I'm like okay time to go I guess so I

13:16 just walk down the street get to the Arenas walk through like some security

13:19 gate just pretended that I was totally confident there was totally nothing

13:23 wrong with me walking through the security gate like tall white dude in

13:27 Korea is's not going to stand out at all this is obviously fine right like no big

13:31 deal I'm just walking through no big deal no one stopped me which is great okay so I walked through the security

13:35 gate there's three huge Arenas and two of them are super super loud and have

13:39 tons of cars out them and are just absolutely massive and I'm like I think

13:43 Starcraft is a little bit smaller than that those ended up both being huge

13:46 baseball games going on at the same time okay and then so I walk through go to

13:50 the one in the very back so Starcraft isn't quite baseball yet that's what

13:53 you're trying to say no not quite they're trying though go to the back um

13:58 admittance was it cost it was a 10 deposit that I got

14:02 back or 10,000 W um to get a like little

14:07 radio thing I wore headphones for that I could get tuned into to the English

14:11 casters right because there was the Korean casters which honestly after a

14:14 while I just took it out because it was kind of cool to listen to the crazy

14:17 Korean casters right they're nuts cuz I

14:21 can kind of see what's going on it's kind of like badminton where there's uh

14:25 some of the uh some of the coverage on the Canadian feed had commentation but

14:30 it was like terrible whereas I'd rather

14:34 i' honestly I'd rather listen to it in like Danish because at least the guys

14:39 know when to be excited and like like the like the guys who don't really know

14:43 the sport very well they'd get like super excited about some shot and I'm like I can make that shot whereas like

14:49 the actual guys who actually know how to play the game or knew how to play it at

14:52 some point they yeah anyway so yeah well

14:55 like okay those Starcraft CS were actually good the English ones so it's

14:58 not I understand that analogy and I agree but it didn't really CU not quite

15:02 like that then but it was just entertaining to listen to the Korean

15:05 guys live cuz they're so crazy right so it was it was just kind of cool um and

15:10 to like feel the vibe of the crowd because everyone was just way more amped

15:13 than I've ever seen cuz the only thing I've gone to around here is barcraft

15:17 which is where people go to a bar and then all the TVs have Starcraft on them

15:20 right um and that's interesting but no one's really Rowdy right everyone was

15:24 crazy in the arena so that was kind of cool um end up trying to leave there and

15:28 figure out how the heck I'm supposed to get back to that dorm right cuz that's

15:31 where my luggage is right so jump on the

15:36 train hope I'm going in the right direction get off at some random stop

15:40 figure it out ended up getting there it actually wasn't that bad cuz soul is

15:43 actually really easy to navigate around cuz the train system is like super

15:46 intricate but if you at least know what stop you're supposed to get off on it

15:50 can kind of lean you there okay it's not really that big of a deal got there

15:54 eventually hung out with them for a while okay now this is Sunday diesel

15:59 should be in town um I need to get up to

16:02 the hotel so I can meet up with him right um I go around the Subway or yeah

16:10 Subway really really quickly get up there try and get a cab to Rada where we

16:13 were staying took me to Grand Hyatt which is way across town and then I had

16:19 to try and get all the way back eventually made it that was ridiculous

16:22 and then the actual Korea trip started which was fairly not very eventful

16:26 except for a Changing of the Guard ceremony that Diesel and I participated

16:30 in which I'll try and get pictures for you we acted as commanders in The

16:33 Changing of the Guard ceremony it was

16:37 epic what I I was Googling up stuff to do in

16:42 Korea and they're like changing the guard ceremony they only do like one person a day it's like this big thing so

16:46 I was like let's do it so I talked to proxy and I was like can we do this so

16:50 he hooked it all up and we ended up going and put us in full costume with

16:54 like a real sword and a real bow and arrow and everything and then we like

16:57 marched out with everyone and had to go through this like cryptic process to make sure we're the same people and you

17:02 like put coins together and make sure they match and check for a key and do

17:05 all this stuff it's crazy and we were in front of all these people that were

17:08 watching and it was nuts W that's really cool it was pretty cool other than that

17:13 it was just like shopping all right so let's talk Xbox one so this is Xbox 180

17:21 Xbox yeah Xbox

17:24 180 so this is from IGN from a couple days ago you guys have probably heard

17:29 about this but what you haven't heard is any of Slick's take on the whole NextGen

17:33 console Xbox One Thing Beyond some of the early news that was coming out so

17:38 I'll run you through quickly through the details of this one so contrary to

17:42 everything Microsoft has set up till now they are completely turning around on

17:46 everything so it no longer requires an internet connection to play offline

17:50 games no longer needs to check in 24 hours a day now allows game discs to be

17:56 traded in much the same way that they used to so disc based games operate the

18:00 way they used to whereas uh games that

18:03 are based around downloads will operate according to your account from from what

18:08 I've seen in here uh what else we got here no uh no no restrictions on

18:14 trade-ins no region locked consoles honestly that was the one where I was

18:18 just like is this April fools you're going to launch a console in like 2122

18:23 countries whatever it was I mean that was ridiculous did you even see that one yeah yeah and it was like a whole bunch

18:28 of Asian countries it wasn't being released in are you crazy it's like oh

18:31 yeah no we don't need to release in China or India because China and India

18:35 don't play video what are you nuts anyway uh and I think Japan wasn't even

18:40 on the list there was a few ones that made me yeah that honestly like it

18:44 looked like they were joking at that point um in addition to being available

18:48 in retail stores Xbox One games will still be available to download on day one and will be playable on any Xbox One

18:53 console so that sounds like it's account based um so here this is the part that

18:58 is really most notable to me uh since unveiling our plans for Xbox

19:05 One my team and I have heard directly from many of you read your comments and

19:09 listen to your feedback I would like to take the opportunity today to thank you

19:12 for our assistance and helping us reshape the future of Xbox one you told

19:16 us how much you love the flexibility you have today with games delivered on dis the ability to lend share and resell

19:20 these games at your discretion is of incredible importance to you also important is the freedom to play offline

19:25 for any length of time anywhere in the world

19:29 I'll let you go first basically what I think happened was they were second on

19:35 Amazon pre-order sales mm and they were like oh no how do we take that first

19:40 spot huh I'm not really sure what do

19:44 everyone like more about the other conso okay I guess we should maybe change a

19:48 few things so we can get that top dollar spot I think that's what happened cuz

19:52 that's the only thing okay the company's going to change something so they can make more money it's a company you're

19:58 supposed to try and make more money that's the whole idea of a company so

20:02 while I don't necessarily think the idea of making more money is evil or bad NOP

20:06 lus Media Group needs to make money we need to make more money throwing that out there and we will do things that

20:10 help us make more money yes um I think they I like to think we don't bone our

20:15 viewers over it yeah I was just going to say they went way too far like orders of

20:20 magnitude way too far and then reeled it

20:23 all the way back which was a good move I don't know if it's too little too late I

20:26 don't know if everyone's too angry already did you hear about the like Mass

20:30 returns of Xbox 360 stuff tra in stuff

20:33 people were trading in everything they had really here's my console here's all

20:38 my games at like stupid low tradein prices because everyone is doing it so

20:42 so now's a good time to get an Xbox 360 on the cheap probably I would assume I

20:47 don't really know if we wanted to play Xbox 3 you know I had a lot of people

20:50 criticizing me last week for talking consoles at all because I said outright

20:54 the last console game I bought was Mario Kart Wii and then the one before before

20:58 that was probably on this NES and people were like well if you don't buy it then

21:02 you don't have the right to talk about it and I was just kind of like

21:06 well okay you know duly noted but I

21:10 don't think playing Gears of War makes me more qualified to talk about an

21:16 Xbox I think it could help do you think it could help if I play GE of War could

21:20 help because then you're more in tuned you know like you're more in tuned with

21:25 the whole system mhm if you if not necessarily the act of purchasing a game

21:31 but if you actually play on the console you probably have more to say about it

21:34 okay that much is true you you would you probably already have a minimum amount

21:37 to say about it I don't think that's invalid because you don't play on it but

21:41 I think you could have more to say about it well they said they wanted to hear from you more because you are an actual

21:47 gamer so that's why that's why I'm kind of letting you go first here on this one

21:50 okay even though I it should be noted when was the last time you played a game

21:53 on an Xbox an Xbox M broke or an Xbox

21:56 360 mine broke yours how many times did yours break

22:01 four I think I have three on my shelf

22:05 that are all dead but I think one of them was exchanged for warranty so I

22:09 think I think it was four but I currently have three broken ones on a

22:12 shelf okay and you don't have a working one no and one of them like so so out of

22:17 the two of us I'm the only one with a working Xbox 360 but I played a lot I

22:22 played on Xbox 360 if so there you go guys that's why slick will do most of

22:25 our uh most of our console talk but my

22:28 brother and I took one of them had a dead optical drive the other one had a

22:31 dead motherboard so we zombied two of them together right we were riding on

22:35 that for a little while and then that one kind of died right like man okay so

22:41 here's my take whether you guys think I should be allowed to talk about it or not and I mean okay maybe I'm giving

22:46 them the benefit of the doubt much the same way we've done to EA before and as

22:51 much as it hurts me I mean I love Microsoft I love so many of the things

22:54 they do and as much as it hurts me to utter their name under in the same

22:57 breath as the it almost feels like what they've done

23:00 here is intentionally be as terrible as

23:04 they possibly can for all of the press

23:08 and all the talk and all the buzz so

23:11 that they can have as much impact as possible when they reverse all of it

23:16 because if they were really trying to get away with all this stuff did they

23:19 have to go trickle it out yeah did they have to go full stop no we're going to

23:25 go as people have said this is the Xbox 180 do we do we need to do a full

23:30 reversal of absolutely everything why

23:33 why couldn't they still do account-based games I actually don't understand why

23:37 you can't have an account-based game I and

23:41 like oh there's a lot to say on that okay there's a lot to say I mean why

23:45 can't it work something like steam though that's an account-based gaming

23:48 system yeah you sign in and then see I'm I'm going to keep

23:53 doing this look at he looks like he's going to explode so you sign in and then

23:58 once you've signed it so you boot up and sign in then it's validated for a while

24:03 I actually don't have a problem with that it's never bothered me I've never been offline long enough that it's

24:07 bothered me I've had my computer offline for insane amounts of Time how long is

24:12 the time frame for steam yeah it's I I think it's at least a week I or like 5

24:17 days or three days or something like it's multiple days I'd be surprised if it was that short it might veryy by it's

24:23 pretty freaking long so so if they' implemented something like

24:27 that and like another thing though with steam um with their new leaked code

24:32 thing oh yeah no no we talk about that later okay okay well that ties in so

24:37 well uh okay fine we'll talk about that now so okay okay okay so there's a few

24:42 lines of code that came out in a new beta patch yeah um which basically

24:46 stated in the lines of code shared game borrowed game lending game kind of

24:51 phrases two weeks someone says more than two weeks either way it's a long time

24:55 it's a long time yeah um which basically

24:59 means there's a high possibility that you are going to be able to lend share

25:04 borrow games through Steam so people would be able sool so cool so you would

25:08 be able to like I guess temporarily remove your ability to play it from your

25:13 library and allow your friend to play it which is the exact same thing as taking

25:17 a disc from your house giving it to your friend and not being able to play it for

25:20 a little while except your friend could live in like Sweden yeah ah so cool

25:24 which is awesome like that's really really cool again uh one of our mod just

25:28 said 90 days that sounds more right that sounds that sounds too much I've like I

25:34 was pretty sure it's really long cuz i' I've I've had it be really long before I

25:38 don't know if that's right or not anyway I mean I think the I think the the

25:41 protection from someone like valve is

25:44 well you don't let people log into your Steam account because then you're boned

25:47 yeah I mean and I don't mind that as far as protection goes I mean use twep

25:52 because they do use twostep when you log in from an unfamiliar I love their twep

25:56 and their twostep is great so if Microsoft were to implement it exactly

25:59 that way you would not lend your Xbox account to

26:02 someone like you just wouldn't so but

26:05 they should allow the sharing thing but they should allow the sharing thing so

26:09 anyway like do you think it's just that no press is bad press and it was like a

26:14 strategy I don't think so or is that just too insane I think it's too insane

26:18 is that any less insane than if they actually did that than if they actually

26:22 Prett close what's more insane they

26:25 developed all these systems I think they were going to try I think they didn't think it was going

26:29 to be that big of a deal how could they possibly think that because Xbox is

26:35 huge so is PlayStation yeah they have a

26:39 competitor but who don't worry about

26:43 it but at the same time a lot of people were expecting PlayStation to be at a

26:48 much higher price point and I wonder if Microsoft thought

26:52 the same price point like PlayStation's

26:55 cheaper and it's cheaper significant amount but a lot of like play uh

27:00 Playstation 3 came out at a huge price point yeah that's true so if Microsoft

27:04 was expecting a similar idea they shouldn't have everyone already knew

27:08 that both Microsoft and Sony were going to be using pretty much the same fraking

27:12 Hardware y except Sony doesn't have a

27:15 like Grand scale webcam that comes with it which people don't want which people

27:21 well I would probably use it a lot of people don't want okay many people don't

27:25 want but I think I think a lot of the mainstream folks who are not Reddit

27:29 junkies and yeah but it's not just Reddit junkies that are scared of the

27:32 constant surveillance that's true that's true but they've also come out and set a

27:36 few things about the constant surveillance I mean having it listening

27:40 for microphone commands is a little bit different from having it recording every

27:44 conversation and then but then all the same time all that stuff going on with prism and everything you don't really

27:48 know what's happening that's true and I'm like I don't want to get way into

27:52 that we're not saying Microsoft is in any way involved in prism just that

27:57 thing exists yeah and they're a company that has data and and and and whatever

28:03 um figure that out on your own I guess

28:06 um but yeah I'm not way too into

28:09 that yeah okay all right I don't know so

28:13 anyway yeah valve allowing lending of

28:16 games potentially at some point that's going to be super cool that's awesome

28:20 like okay now I don't think they're going to have the uh bring in a friend

28:24 thing that you used to be able to do basically with like Warcraft 3 and stuff

28:27 where if spawn install spawn install yeah I don't

28:31 think they're going to though because that would be way too I mean they'd have to that would be license that would be a

28:35 license thing that have to figure out on a game by game basis yeah that would be

28:39 awesome like okay nothing about this I just randomly brought this up that would

28:43 be cool though and maybe if you can do it with every person like twice maybe

28:46 right per Steam account like that would be pretty

28:50 cool sure that would be pretty cool just

28:54 so the person can try out the game cuz there's a lot of games I'll talk to my friends about and like you got to get

28:58 this game it's pretty cheap you should buy it it's amazing so if you could lend

29:02 someone I wonder if the lending will be like uh long-term lending or if they'll

29:07 only allow like short period lending I mean it's possible they just I mean you

29:10 look at sort of when valve announces or starts talking about something or you

29:14 catch something three years five years yeah they might still be working on

29:18 implementation they might have put it in there just to kind of use it internally

29:22 maybe they only maybe they created the tool just for

29:25 themselves you never know that would be pretty Li nightmare this all speculation

29:30 and I really hope it happens I don't know it's just a few

29:34 lines of code that a few people found in their new build right so it could mean

29:39 realistically anything okay so topic you

29:42 know what let's do a Twitter Q&A uh Twitter Q&A blitz so here we go guys hit

29:47 us on Twitter uh did you hear about the

29:50 new rumors for halflife 3 and I think he means wait what source 2 oh source 2

29:56 engine I heard it was half Half Life 3 and something else three Half Life 3 is

30:01 on Steam but not for sale someone just told me what anyway you heard about this

30:07 I I heard that there was there was a there was a rumor and hold

30:11 on holy no no no no no no no no no no no

30:14 that's a that's a prank look at the URL it's someone sent it to me too I was

30:18 like come on man a Stern poers d e a r n

30:22 m or something you can tell because the picture's all yeah no no no no ignore

30:26 that uh there was a rumor though that half lifee 3 will be coming at some point uh someone says New Star Citizen

30:31 video okay I'll check it out yeah uh are tablets worth it that totally depends on

30:36 your use Cas subjective go subjective so if well it's subjective yeah so go

30:41 what's your subjective okay if if like if you're someone who wants to hang out

30:45 on the couch watch TV a lot and be able to do emails and stuff while you're on the couch I think that's awesome if you

30:50 basically need a laptop I wouldn't suggest buying a tablet as a laptop

30:54 replacement I would actually just buy a laptop the only time I ever really use

30:57 my t just to watch videos on the bath so yeah that's it so honestly I see tablets

31:02 less as a super portable thing as or more as something to carry around the

31:05 house or as like instead of a notepad like sometimes I'll set up a tablet on a

31:09 stand so that I can refer to it during an unboxing definitely uh he lus at

31:13 computex did you see the refresher on the 600t I did not unfortunately uh my

31:17 friend brought a Mac bought a Mac Pro for $3,800 and uses it for only Facebook

31:22 uh he says Mac is better than PC how hard should I smack him there's no point

31:25 smacking him because negative reinforcement is not how they learn

31:29 positive reinforcement man did you sign the petition for Tom Clan's The Division

31:33 I did did you why because I want to play Tom Clancy's division on PC okay it's

31:38 it's the the the petition is to bring Tom Clancy's division to PC all right

31:42 and Ubisoft Ubisoft is pushing it they're like yeah yeah sign it sign it

31:46 so do you think Microsoft would do something like releasing a system that's around $400 Before Christmas it depends

31:52 how hard people don't buy the Xbox one that comes with connect saw a viio 14in

31:57 Ultra look on the background of your keyboard unboxing review soon yes also

32:01 we're going to be doing like a cool lifestyle type video that features that

32:05 particular notebook it isn't an Ultrabook though it's actually a 15in

32:09 and it's like a super slim touchscreen notebook with a quad core someone says

32:13 check this out with no link Half Life 3 on Steam not for sale

32:18 no it isn't uh will there be changes to the computex giveaways potentially but

32:22 no promises yet so stay tuned for that

32:25 uh will there be any hard drive cage add-ons for the card buide 540 possibly

32:29 to the back or have to mod it I believe I said in the video that you can add

32:33 more no maybe not I don't know so don't

32:37 don't quote me on that what do you think of having a code in dis based games that

32:41 lets it be account bound if you want you're on is that not how a lot of them

32:46 work I think dis based games are dis based games according to the article

32:49 that we had up for Xbox for Xbox okay I didn't realize that was I think I think

32:53 he's talking Xbox I snapped to like PC stuff right there um I don't know if you

32:59 if options are good in my opinion okay

33:02 if you want it to be account bound that would be cool if but having the option

33:05 to not apply that code would also be cool according to this post by Valve

33:08 employee offline mode is intended to be basically indefinite now very cool so

33:13 you guys can click on that one if you want to check that out awesome watching live in the UK determined to watch all

33:18 the way through thanks man hello you can buy games from Steam from

33:22 different retailers which means discounts you can only buy digital games for Xbox from Ms what games for steam

33:28 can you buy from different re yeah like if it comes with a steam code in a box

33:32 well no there's stuff like Humble Bundle yeah and there's other places that you

33:35 get steam codes for games I think that might be what he means I'm not really sure I mean I found it's uh a lot of the

33:41 time steam's cheaper anyway yeah to be honest they have insane sales speaking

33:46 of which summer sale has got to be coming fairly soon oh yeah summer sale

33:50 the first year they did summer sale I probably spent like a couple hundred

33:53 bucks on just a bunch of games that I've like never played never played yeah but

33:58 the problem is I'll do it again which is just oh I know right it's kind of

34:01 ridiculous and like I understand it doesn't make any sense cuz I still

34:05 haven't played a lot of games from the last summer sale I'm was like oh it's a

34:08 really good deal it's like 85% off uh my

34:11 360 has also been bodge where are you from what does bodge mean I hate it

34:17 maybe I should just get a new one I just want Halo that's it all right so why

34:22 don't we move on to our next topic which

34:25 happens to be actually I'm going to combine this topic with uh with another

34:29 one Microsoft offering schools and colleges 199 Surface RT tablets this

34:35 article is from Daily Tech so Windows RT

34:38 hasn't been the most popular Microsoft product Daily Tech writes Master of the

34:42 obvious there but hey for anyone who hasn't heard of Surface RT which I think

34:46 is a lot of people that might be a relevant thing to say Microsoft will

34:50 soon introduce the surface for Education limited time offer this month which will

34:54 offer discounted surface RTS to schools and colleges interested in adopting the

34:58 tablet for only $1.99 the Surface RT retails for $4.99 if schools want blah

35:03 blah blah etc etc expected further details and I wanted to tie this into

35:08 another article that is related also on

35:11 Daily Tech at the same time Apple scores $30 million iPad contract from the LA

35:16 School District launches Apple camp for

35:19 youngsters the LA Unified School District is paying

35:24 $678 per iPad which will come pre-loaded

35:27 with educ software but won't include a

35:30 keyboard they have a three-year warranty that includes free replacement devices

35:33 up to 5% of the value of the purchase price the 30 million for iPads is a

35:38 steep contract price but La District insisted on the measure because new

35:41 state and National tests will be taken on computers so people have to learn to

35:46 use computers etc etc that my friends is

35:50 all you need to know about Microsoft Windows

35:55 RT for onethird of the Price Less Than

35:59 onethird of the price and if they bought in that big of bulk they probably could

36:02 have got an even better deal oh man they still are not winning

36:08 bids I mean okay honestly that La School

36:11 District deal was probably in effect that was probably in in talks for a long

36:16 time and it's it's not necessarily an indication that La School District was

36:20 looking at Surface RT versus iPad and ended up going that route with in the

36:25 context of the 199 deal but it's just those two things coming out I think they

36:29 were posted on Daily Tech on almost the same day I was just kind of looking at

36:34 it going wow that's how dominant apple

36:38 is in the tablet space I mean Android has made up enormous ground on phones

36:43 Android is number one for phones now and that's fantastic and that's cool and as

36:47 someone who has recently switched to Android and is loving it I love that too

36:52 but on the tablet side what would you use if someone were to give you a

36:58 tablet but you know I wouldn't use a tablet it doesn't matter they they're

37:02 going to give it to you you don't have to use it but you have to have one you

37:06 can give it you can give it away you can sell it it doesn't matter like vendor trash pawn it to be honest I would never

37:11 use it it doesn't matter someone's giving it to you for free they refuse to

37:15 give you anything but a

37:18 tablet and remember your options are basically Windows 8 Windows RT and iOS

37:24 and Android if I could get the full Windows 81 okay no your options are

37:27 window Windows RT iOS and Android let's go with ARM operating systems if I could

37:31 get the full Windows 81 I get the full Windows 81 hand it's actually a terrible

37:34 experience really it really terrible because I haven't used it the problem is

37:38 that there's like I cannot make myself use modern UI even on a tablet I just

37:43 can't do it it's just not but you can

37:46 functional desktop applications yes you can but using Windows 8 in desktop mode

37:52 with a touchcreen is really not any better than using Windows

37:56 7 it's just not the buttons are still tiny the things like you can enlarge

38:01 stuff I know but it's like okay you haven't done it I know I'm telling you

38:06 you do it does weird stuff like when you click the like when you open up a

38:10 keyboard and this is weird because it was doing it on my tablet the other day when I was trying to use it for

38:14 something you open up the keyboard it takes your Windows and it like resizes

38:18 them and then you close the keyboard and they stay up there and I'm just like

38:21 really like really and I know it's meant

38:24 to be used in modern UI and I understand that but like really also I'd always

38:30 have the keyboard cover on anyway iPad hands down for me for tablet experience

38:35 there is no comparison whatsoever I don't really have enough experience I

38:39 would like to say Android but the one Android tablet that I've used and only

38:44 one that's the Transformer right the original Transformer was not a very good

38:48 use case and honestly that had the latest software at the time like it

38:51 wasn't like it was running like at time yes but this was a while ago but that

38:55 was Ice Cream Sandwich yeah I never liked ice cream sandwi sandwich though

38:58 yeah I mean it I I don't think the tablet experience has changed much since

39:02 Ice Cream Sandwich so and I mean yeah okay I'm sure there's feature here and

39:06 feature there but but like I don't like iPad either

39:10 okay I don't know I'm not a tablet guy

39:13 if I'm laying on the couch and I need to check my email I'm completely cool with

39:17 he's in my phone okay I don't see why I

39:21 need this like slightly bigger one I actually type faster on a phone than I

39:24 do on a tablet yeah me too that's for sure by a lot yeah so I don't know I'm

39:28 I'm really not into tablets all right tell us about your uh NASA which is

39:32 completely different from NSA we're not talking about that other thing so this

39:35 is kind of cool if you if you go to a link that's in this article uh maybe we

39:39 can tweet it out or something I'll try we could just click on it here they're

39:42 looking at it it's a billion pixel it's

39:46 a billion oh right okay you might not want to click on that might crash the

39:50 stream yeah so it's it's I haven't looked at it yet um but it's apparently

39:54 an awesome semi- Panorama or completely panorama pixel uh picture which is a

39:59 billion pixels and it's supposed to just look very very cool of Mars it was where

40:02 they were picking up some like dust and sand and rocks and stuff it's the C

40:07 Curiosity Rover and it's actually pretty freaking cool I like it when NASA sends

40:11 back like a bunch of really cool pictures and stuff I don't know for how

40:17 little funding they get they're quite

40:20 interactive oh NASA you used to be everyone's favorite child and now you're

40:26 just just don't get much funding yeah

40:30 all right why don't we do a Twitter Blitz everyone hit us on Twitter

40:35 actually what we'll probably end up doing is going through most of the Twitter questions we got last time I

40:39 love how we actually didn't set up a light in here so we're just relying on

40:43 the light coming in from that window over there which is actually darkening

40:48 as the stream goes on making it so that we're getting pretty dark here but H

40:53 there's uh that's fine all right how do you like your new BlackBerry

40:59 in two words three words or less the the conclusion video isn't out yet yeah

41:03 conclusion video is not out yet whatever just tell them uh I I will be you I

41:09 can't do returning to S3 okay there you go I

41:14 was thinking I'm not switching would have also worked okay but either way I

41:18 think we achieved the so do you know if this is real okay I'm not oh my goodness

41:23 how are people do you not do you not read URLs before you click on them let

41:27 me tell you in their defense the r going to the end does kind of look like an M

41:31 as a seasoned internet

41:35 user I look carefully at that URL before I click it okay tuning in from Croatia

41:43 sweet I I hate that so much because I have to click on the window in order to

41:47 use the mouse to scroll or the wheel to scroll but then it always expands people's tweets what is rant 30 I don't

41:52 know okay I recognize that Tablet Plus NES emulator isn't that a thing Logan

41:56 does uh rant 30 like inbox exe and the tech

42:00 are the only ones I know I think he does rant 30 does he do a new rant thing I

42:03 think so oh okay let me see you keep

42:06 going uh watching the Line Tech tips live stream yay while finishing up my

42:11 keyboard okay maybe changing out keyc

42:14 Caps or something like that changing out key caps cleaning something sure will

42:18 you purchase I still got to play a Starcraft game with you I recognize that Twitter will you purchase either of the

42:22 new consoles yeah Tech Syndicate rant 30 um

42:30 no no probably not or I'll wait until like the next iteration cuz there's

42:35 going to be like you know it's going to be like 10 years right yeah but it's

42:38 going to you're going to be like in your mid-30s by the time you can buy one of

42:42 these because the new one's out no I don't mean next Generation as in like

42:46 PlayStation 4 and Xbox whatever the heck they decide to

42:50 name it I mean like Xbox Elite

42:53 PlayStation slim like like the the new model cuz there's always the new like

42:57 the lower power one that comes all the features the original one should have so

43:02 I'm going to wait for like the the nicer models so you're waiting for service

43:06 pack one basically okay because then at the same time there will be more games

43:10 right okay cuz buying buying consoles at release and as far as I know these ones

43:14 will have a huge plethora of games which will be nice um but buying consoles at

43:18 release I find there's usually not enough going to be a half a

43:21 dozen games that are maybe worth playing yeah you know I'm I'm sticking with my

43:25 whole thing where I always own like the previous generation one so when when uh

43:31 when PS1 came out actually no I never did get an m64 okay okay we're not

43:35 including we but when PS2 came out I got a PlayStation one like right at that

43:39 time when PlayStation 3 came out I got a PlayStation 2 super cheap boom I I I've

43:45 only played like two games on it though I played through all actually no more

43:48 than that I played through all of the PS2 final fantasies okay so but honestly

43:52 they started getting really terrible like X2 was just awful uh Final Fantasy

43:58 MMO apparently is re-releasing it it's supposed to be way better than it was

44:01 never it's an MMO I'm not paying a subscription to play a game is it a

44:05 subscription one I don't know I don't care yeah I'm not really that interested

44:08 other CL online's coming the okay yeah I

44:11 won't talk about it yeah don't stop talking you know you know what's funny

44:15 is I believe there was a tweet or something in twitch chat last time around was like oh Slick's not here we

44:20 won't have to hear about all Scrolls I didn't get in the beta again

44:24 anyways um uh watching live from Brazil

44:27 hello hello can you clone your hard drive to an SSD without losing your OS

44:30 yes yep in fact Corsair has a kit Intel

44:33 drives include it Samsung drives include the software um and if you don't have

44:38 any software uh crucial has a kit that you can buy with their drives uh left

44:42 for dead three that was that was the other one that was rumored to be coming

44:46 although quite frankly if it's anything like Left for Dead 1 to Left for Dead 2

44:50 in terms of changes then you know what valve whoa whoa whoa that's not a middle

44:57 technically yeah all right but either way um yeah that was that was not worth

45:02 the 50 bucks or whatever I paid for Left for Dead too it was the same game it was

45:07 like yeah we changed the skin color of like the chick and the dude we swapped

45:11 them there was a pallet swap I played Left 4 Dead a bit but I didn't play Left

45:15 4 Dead too was the same game wasn't there like a few more different they

45:18 added some monsters it could have been a DLC for $4.99 it was a full game release

45:24 yeah it was brutal uh what's a good PSU a single GPU PC um depends on right now

45:30 that kind of depends on what CPU you're running with Haswell coming around yeah

45:34 that's true get a Haswell ready one so it supports the Deep Sleep States and uh

45:38 I don't know I mean if if you're running a Haswell chip you can get quite low how

45:42 about what's not a good PSU really really really really low

45:47 wattage or way way way way way too high wattage wasting money any good brand

45:51 name you know 500 to 600 watt is going to be pretty safe for almost any single

45:55 GPU you know Corsair Cooler Master seic

46:00 antech with with with uh Ivy I saw a lot

46:03 of people going 600 watt but Haswell now I've seen a lot of people dropping it

46:07 down to 500 watt everyone seems fine in our Haswell build guide where we put in

46:11 a GTX 780 right we put in what like a

46:15 520 watt power supply didn't even come

46:18 close to maxing it out totally fine yeah love the show thank you y we love you

46:23 too Saleem VFX uh good morning from Romania oh oh I have actually this is

46:28 not related to Twitter we'll get back to Twitter in a moment but we're looking at

46:31 potentially adding a call-in segment right soon so guys we might I don't know

46:38 how long it'll be I don't know exactly how it's going to work yet buts are

46:41 going to be interesting we're going to do a trial run next week and then the

46:44 official one sponsored by our unnamed sponsor who will be announced at some

46:49 point will be probably the following week but we haven't gotten 100%

46:52 confirmation on that yet cool that's going to be very cool uh

46:58 there we go good morning from Romania hi LCD or LED go watch the video on Tech

47:03 quickie LCD versus LED they don't happen to be different things necessarily have

47:08 you seen how to uninstall macafee antivirus on YouTube uh no I haven't if

47:13 it's anything like the how to install iOS 7 video it's probably just

47:16 ridiculous yeah uh Left 4 Dead 3 also

47:20 why you know say Linux like your name with an

47:23 X oh Steve that's the worst question I think 's ever sent into this show uh

47:29 because it's not my name well even the

47:32 Linux guy's name is lonus the same is mine what kind of question is that Linux

47:38 isn't a name yeah are you leaving yeah oh okay

47:43 do you want to pop in and say hi do you guys want diesel to pop in and say hi

47:47 hold on I'm going to check and see if twitch chat even wants you to he wanted

47:50 me to knock on the wall no if they don't if they don't want you to then uh we're

47:53 not going to oh oh unanimously no

47:57 no no they're they're all saying yes they're all saying yes you can come join us so guys if you if you haven't if you

48:03 haven't seen them already get comfy diesel the intern joining

48:07 us okay now I'm GNA go okay all right good night see you Monday

48:12 see youing yeah for those of you who don't know we're in the new HQ so everyone's

48:17 uh everyone's here we're all uh we're all working enjoying our linous Media

48:21 Group uh lucrative high-paying jobs that

48:25 shut up that YouTube money

48:30 right whatever man khakis is Australian

48:33 for car keys I actually kind of believe that although I think you're pulling my

48:37 leg uh what fans do you recommend for the h100 hold on hold on hold on you got

48:42 three guesses in the first two don't count Noctua what model n12 Noctua n12

48:48 thank you same check out our check out our cooling benches they're really

48:52 freaking good you know what here is here's something that I would like to

48:57 get some feedback from the viewers on and uh okay so so we're done with a

49:01 Twitter with that Twitter Blitz for now guys you know how much I love Noctua

49:07 okay so I you probably know how much I love

49:10 Noctua Noctua doesn't really do a lot of

49:13 marketing like have you ever seen have

49:17 you ever seen a nocta ad ask yourself that however much you also happen to

49:22 love Noctua if you love them as much as we do one quick thing I'm going to Jud

49:25 in when we going through the computer like crazy computer shop area in Korea

49:29 there was a store that only sold Noctua products that's awesome it wasn't a no a

49:33 store called lus store no oh okay well they should have they should have been

49:37 called it should have been called the Linux store because apparently that's my name now I it sells only fans so we've

49:44 been talking to Noctua they know how much we love them and their products we

49:48 were blown away by the cool fraking stuff that uh that we saw at their booth

49:53 at computex and we basically sat down with them and we went look

49:57 we love your products we want to pimp your products we pimp your products even

50:02 though you've never spent a dollar with us in terms of sponsorship or

50:05 advertising cab roll is there any way

50:09 that you guys would consider sponsoring Us in some way so that if we're going to

50:14 pimp your products anyway we can at least turn this into like some kind of

50:17 mutually supportive relationship because let me tell you nocta has already

50:21 noticed how much traffic is coming to their website from lus Tech tips Forum

50:26 cool and I was like you know what's funny is what you've probably seen a lot

50:30 of is um I don't I think these fans are

50:34 ugly but lonus recommends them for some reason so I might as well look at so you

50:38 should probably buy them and they were it's funny because they're their

50:42 engineer burst out laughing he was like yeah that's exactly what they

50:47 said it's like these ugly fans that inexplicably lius gets like a raging B-

50:53 word over so anyway I was like I was sitting

50:56 down with them and I'm like how do we make this something that makes sense

51:00 that doesn't compromise our integrity because honestly I don't want it to be

51:04 like a paid thing yeah because we'll Honestly though it it and we'll we'll

51:09 continue doing it even if they don't give us a dollar because we do so much

51:14 already cooler reviews anything that ever needs a fan even in the room tour

51:18 we shot the other day of this room you brought I know I'm like there's my pile

51:22 of nocas that I don't actually use in my own system man the new black ones

51:29 though I need those they're like $30 a

51:32 fan people buy them though a thing like

51:36 okay I saw one complaint about the uh brown rubber uh noise dancing thing on

51:41 the corners they're not that bad and you can take them off you can take them off

51:44 yeah well you can take them off on the current on that's true so I'm assuming

51:47 you can take them off okay that's true okay so guys we want your feedback how

51:51 could lonus Tech tips possibly collaborate with in with Noctua in some

51:55 way that wouldn't bother you guys but that would be you know somehow help less

52:00 Media Group pay our bills because we have a lot of them so I'm I'm going to

52:04 the Twitter boards and I'm opening up the twitch chat and I'm going to look at what you guys have to say I'm going to

52:08 try and read the twitch chat but y'all don't have a whole lot of uh oh my

52:12 apparently there's like massive horse penises in the twitch chat so we're

52:15 going to go to uh we're going to go back to Twitter

52:19 here uh I okay I have no idea that

52:23 anyway fan controller yes or no um I

52:26 personally don't like manual fan controllers because I think they're super pointless you're never going to

52:30 touch it yeah uh but automated fan controllers yay stuff like T balancer

52:35 which we both you get yours working yeah oh cool okay U stuff like T balancer

52:39 which we both have is amazing did you get it like configurable working like I

52:42 sent you the software patch and all that man that's ridiculous it's really hard we should do a guide on

52:46 that I wonder how I already forgot how to fully do it it took me a while well

52:50 it took me hours the first time back when I did it like 3 years ago and then

52:54 it took me hours the second time even with your like kind of ghetto guide

52:59 thing that you gave me like it took me a long time comments on how iOS 7 looks um

53:04 honestly I am I find it extremely confusing some of the visual changes

53:09 that they've made in iOS 7 I don't think it contributes in any meaningful way and

53:12 Marcus brownley uh has a fantastic video

53:16 sort of covering how the Innovative features in iOS

53:20 7 kind of not that Innovative to elaborate I'm running a GTX 570 sorry

53:25 man we got that out of order much I can do Sheamus I have ios7 working fine cool

53:29 beans GTX 780 versus 770 I don't see a compelling reason to grab a 770 versus a

53:34 used 680 for example um I would grab a

53:39 780 however 780 is Beast if I had the

53:42 budget for it 780 and 770 is not the same ballpark they are not on the same

53:46 tier in a way that we actually haven't seen in many generations the top tier

53:51 card in fact I don't think we've ever seen this before not that big of a spread as far as I know that's insane

53:55 like 90 even like 9700 Pro 9500 Pro same

54:00 GPU architecture I don't think we've ever seen it not the same

54:04 GPU for the top tier and the next tier well isn't it gk110 and gk104 yeah yeah

54:09 cuz the G I know what you're saying like this is the first time we've seen it sorry I thought you were saying the

54:13 exact same one I realized what you're saying now but like charts break because

54:18 of it yeah I know it's like yeah like Slick's having trouble

54:22 with our uh 40 new interactions anything to say

54:28 about the 8,000 series nope if you make

54:31 a military build it's the only way no look good in a case true Dad I'm looking

54:35 for a gaming mouse without a ton of buttons for MMOs can you recommend me

54:38 stuff course their M40 actually looks compelling and Death Adder 2013 if you

54:42 don't mind the hair trigger buttons which are driving me crazy if you need a

54:45 bigger Mouse Funk ms3 Funk ms3 Is Not a Bad Bet either I would do a build video

54:50 with all no tour products and show how to install use and they sponsor it

54:53 that's actually not a bad idea where we do an ultimate silent build which I

54:58 think everyone should be on the same page would contain nocta products yeah

55:03 that's not a bad idea yeah okay uh we need to fight bandwagoning and single

55:07 brand bias you should be impartial be quiet! and Fant text is equal more or

55:11 less no they're not so there um do you

55:16 hate origin or

55:20 ea uh why not make KN to a commercials your commercials are awesome H the

55:24 commercials are a huge up front investment and I think noctu is looking

55:28 for more like you know um they're very

55:32 practical yeah as you may or may not have noticed from the design that goes

55:35 into their products they're they're going to be more into some s some type

55:39 of tech tip or some type of guide something like that they're a very

55:43 technical community like a guide is more something that I can imagine them being

55:46 interested in where it educates their their users in some meaningful

55:50 way um I only ever use no toz as all my case fans what about 29in monitor I have

55:56 no idea how those two things are related ads before actual video content

56:01 like we normally do wouldn't bother me okay how about a Linus design fan like

56:06 how Pro Gamers have mice and keyboards you know what honestly I pitched it um I

56:11 I wanted to do it I was like guys let me

56:14 at one of your products let me make some tweaks that I think will make sense

56:18 visually and uh let me turn it into something that I would proudly put in my

56:22 system because as much as I love no to one I refuse to use anything else on

56:25 like test benches or whatever else they still haven't found a home in my system

56:30 even though they are superior to every product I use in my system and I know it

56:34 because I just can't handle the looks although the new black ones will they

56:38 will change all that oh my goodness they look so good super excited about that um

56:42 I feel as though even being paid by Noctua wouldn't be a bad thing as

56:45 they're a great brand yeah still though get Linus to replace the girl in the top

56:49 corner of no. yeah I'm not as hot as her I haven't

56:54 seen her but I'm sure that I'm not as

56:57 attractive uh I'm going to start putting

57:00 lus sent me here in my comments for products very nice uh just be like lonus

57:05 uses these fans put them in your build though I can't I can't until the black

57:09 ones come then I will then I will mark my words I believe it have the fans

57:14 installed in all your cases water and rad so so more like a product placement

57:17 thing we already we already kind of do it even we totally don't already do that

57:22 I know we should totally have a contest

57:25 where you PID had entered into a no to a contest I could use some fans you could

57:28 use 10 bucks we don't want to take money from the community for I don't like

57:32 those kind of contests at all they seem so scammy yeah I

57:35 don't uh put your face on the fan boxes

57:39 have Josh from fractal as a booth babe show off the no fans goodness that would

57:42 work fractal has fans so I don't know that they're going to want to do that

57:45 build a comp together computer together with nox you know what something like a

57:48 sponsored build where we do like ultimate silence build might make a lot

57:53 of sense maybe I'll reach out to them with that something that could be really

57:56 cool it's really far away and probably super impractical but if you could go to

58:00 their facility and see how they test like noise levels and all that other

58:04 kind of stuff because we've done that before but knock TOA doesn't that would be phenomenally expensive though you

58:09 have to fly at least me plus one like I said super not practical to Austria

58:13 super far away you know what's funny it would just be really cool I'm convinced

58:17 at this point that all Austrian computer companies know each other uh you know

58:21 what they do what are you trying to do here go uh do another Topic in the

58:25 meantime wow that was random um let me find the topic list and find something

58:29 to talk about

58:34 uh wow I don't have anything on here

58:38 sorry guys give me a

58:43 second it's open in a tab on yours yeah sorry give me one sec

58:50 and it's to it to the screen okay I don't know how to do that

58:56 I'm going to jump into something super random he has it titled

58:59 as erotic adventure with oculus rift so

59:03 basically what's going on is people are developing games for Oculus Rift already Oculus Rift is virtual reality that goes

59:08 on your head it's freaking awesome I've tried it check out our what is it called

59:12 Omni video to see Oculus Rift in action

59:15 Oculus Rift is very very cool another thing to check out on the same topic is

59:18 EVR or Eve VR it's a uh dog fighting

59:24 style space combat game inspired by by Eve made by CCP which is the guys that

59:29 make Eve but it's done with oculus rift and that with razor Hydra a that would

59:35 be so cool I got so excited when I saw that trailer if you haven't seen it yet

59:38 and you're interested in VR definitely check that out but back on to the topic

59:42 that's in here is Oculus Rift erotic Adventure one thing that um lonus put in

59:48 here is how detri how detrimental is this to have it released before the

59:52 Oculus Rift even hits the market um in

59:55 my my opinion it could get some bad rep for Oculus Rift and it could get some

59:59 bad rep for itself um because of certain people that aren't going to want this

60:03 but if people don't think there is already erotic games like you're

60:08 delusional there's tons of them already they're out there people don't have to

60:12 play them and people won't have to play the one with oculus rift it's not a

60:16 requirement so in my opinion you

60:20 probably should have seen this coming it was going to happen uh if you're a

60:25 parent just monitor your kids game library or whatever just make sure they

60:29 don't play it if you don't want them to play it like I don't think it's the

60:32 biggest deal um this kind of stuff will happen with

60:38 everything everyone saw this coming like

60:41 the fact that it's releasing before Oculus Rift hits the market is

60:45 interesting but not that surprising because they're going to want this

60:48 available for everyone right away and it's probably not going to have to be

60:51 the highest quality thing in the world so that's really not that

60:54 surprising what are you do doing that's weird and not in

61:00 Focus focusing is often my

61:06 problem so so why did you grab the angel bird the angel bird this is hilarious

61:11 because we did an unboxing of this uh aluminum enclosure I mean the

61:15 craftsmanship of this thing is outstanding I think we can all agree on that I found out why it uses USB 3 Type

61:21 A connectors at the back did I tell you this yet because and this is funny

61:25 because because it so validates something I've been ranting about for so

61:29 long Angel bird Austrian

61:32 company actually tested every usb3

61:36 connector implementation to find out how many inser like in a practical Everyday

61:40 Use scenario how many inserts it was good for and they found that every other

61:44 connector failed around 350 350 yes whereas usba a was good for

61:53 3 3500 Plus

61:56 that is why they're using USB 3 on the

62:00 back like type A on the back of their drive because they actually validate it

62:04 and they actually care unlike that's Beast cell phone companies which I find

62:08 it unbelievable that they all standardized on micro USB mine is almost

62:12 kind of broken I've told you about that right it's ridiculous the worst

62:15 connector in the world y the little contact on the inside of mine is super

62:19 flimsy maybe not the worst connector in the world but it's not good but it's terrible expecting it to last based on

62:24 that angel bird only was able to validate it for around 365 and that was

62:28 the USB 3 one which is wider I mean given you have to charge a

62:33 phone every day it will not last for 3 years I have problems with mine I have

62:37 to sometimes I have to like angle my phone interestingly so that it will

62:41 actually like press up against it so it'll work properly and like pushing it

62:45 in there sometimes I'm really careful so I actually get the thing in like so the

62:48 angel bird guys were telling the Noctua guys about our great unboxing and

62:52 they're like yeah he covered our booth too blah blah blah blah blah so the angel bird guys is like yeah Jacob from

62:56 nocta says hi and I'm like do you guys all like live in the same town or

63:00 something they I'm sure they all talk to each other anyway I got a kick out of

63:04 that that's cool that's Prett so uh uh

63:07 let's talk oh I just talking about the Oculus Rift thing if you want to add

63:10 comments no I just think that that's extremely detrimental to sort of the

63:15 image yeah that VR is going to have at the very beginning oh it is I mean but

63:20 at the same time what I said is everyone should have seen this coming on the other hand it might push it to

63:24 mainstream like right quick

63:27 fast that's also possible po POV

63:31 Adventure uh yeah but like okay seriously everyone should have seen this

63:35 coming they get to every medium you know what though in terms of PC games there

63:40 hasn't been that much they exist though okay but there's some like I If I recall

63:46 correctly there were some experienced game devs with pretty impressive resumes

63:50 working on this was it I haven't looked into it yeah no I did okay but anyway so

63:56 okay I wanted to move on to the AMD upcoming uh

64:00 CPUs oh yeah with the gigahertz race on

64:04 again AMD releasing the first 5 GHz CPU

64:07 I talked about it a little bit last week so I don't know have have you heard anything about this no okay three things

64:13 number one is these are very cherry-picked they are going to be

64:16 extremely Limited in Supply number two is they are not intended to be available

64:21 in the retail channel so the 9590 and the 9570 will be system Builder only SKS

64:27 much like the um oh crap what was it I

64:32 think it was AMD's first dual GPU card that had the ridiculous like handle on

64:37 it yeah or like maybe it was like the ear like was it like a 2900 XT

64:42 overclocked or or an x850 XT like

64:45 Platinum Edition something like like AMD's done this before back then they

64:49 were ATI but whatever um so anyway they

64:52 they've done stuff like this before and so these are going to be system builder

64:56 only SKS and last but not least check

64:59 this out 220 watt TDP I yeah I did know that that

65:06 is the most ludicrous thing so insane that I have ever seen so this was

65:11 submitted on the Forum by metrop P who

65:14 uh has linked here with his own little blur although we prefer a little bit of

65:17 a longer write up than that guys uh if you don't mind and I just zoomed in and

65:22 now I'm breaking everything so anyway softpedia andd won't sell the 5 GHz and

65:27 4.7 GHz CPUs two consumers Two Cherry

65:30 Picked yeah two Cherry Picked I suspect there just aren't enough of them and not

65:34 only that but they'll Ship Without cooling solutions and they will be expecting uh aftermarket coolers on

65:39 these things because of the extremely high 220 watt TDP and the funny thing is

65:46 um most of the people that have sent me messages about this seem to be under the

65:50 impression thatd is concerned about the chips not being cooled enough I call

65:55 ball on that because Intel already does it with their six core processors all

65:59 LGA 2011 processors ship with no heat sink these are high TDP chips they are

66:04 expecting people to put an appropriate cooler on it with that said it's a

66:08 different socket and you'd expect any cooler on lga2011 to be appropriate for

66:12 an LGA 2011 chip but there are quad cores on 2011 there are lowprofile

66:16 coolers that I kind of look at and I go seriously oh jeez you know that one we

66:20 have just like really maybe if the fan

66:24 goes speaking of nocta who I love so dearly they have a low profile cooler

66:28 coming it looks so sexy speaking of noct we killed their website double stack did

66:31 we really yeah

66:36 oops sorry sorry sorry Jacob um I think

66:42 the problem is actually to do with the vrm on motherboards because we've seen this

66:48 before with AMD when they started releasing some of their High TDP Black

66:52 Edition chips um even not to 200 plus

66:56 wattt TDP chip so remember that is going to be pulling a ton of power these are

67:00 basically overclocked CPUs out of the box Cherry Picked and overclocked um

67:06 people were killing boards because they were putting them on consumer grade

67:09 boards remember AMD doesn't have a socket differentiation strategy I

67:13 believe AMD is concerned not only about consumers putting them on boards that

67:17 are going to fry but also motherboard

67:20 manufacturers validating these chips on boards that can't handle them in the

67:24 long term Intel saw a ton of this back in the presc days I saw motherboards

67:30 that had been running for maybe a year and a half where the entire back of the

67:34 board along the vrm was brownish black

67:38 yeah and they weren't even dead yet they were still running but Lord only knows

67:42 what kind of voltages they were delivering to the CPU by that point how

67:46 damaged they were so this wouldn't be the first time that a CPU manufacturer

67:51 has gone okay whoa hold on this chip needs a lot of power maybe we better be

67:55 careful what kind of motherboards it's being put in and I know that some of the

67:59 boards that it's being validated with are things like Crosshair 5 where ASUS

68:03 on their Rog boards overb builds the vrm to the point where it's just kind of

68:07 stupid yeah but that's what they need but that's what they do yeah and that's

68:11 what this chip needs so um so there you go that's my that's my take on that

68:15 whole thing that's interesting that makes sense uh TDP thermal design power

68:20 so TDP is used a little H it's used a

68:23 little bit interchangeably with power and thermal output so that is how much

68:29 heat it generates and the the thing is that there does tend to be a correlation

68:33 between the P the power consumption of the Chip And The Heat that it wastes

68:37 because efficiency is efficiency across an architecture and so the amount of

68:43 heat that you're going to generate as waste is going to have something to do with how much power consumption that

68:47 it's actually using versus how much of it gets expelled as heat and part of the

68:51 confusion also comes from the fact that watts are used for both heat and Power

68:55 but TDP strictly speaking refers to the

68:59 actual thermal output of a chip or graphics card or whatever else it just

69:04 happens that like it's funny because you look at the TDP of something like um a

69:07 GTX 690 versus a Radeon 7990 there's a

69:11 75 watt difference it happens that underload power consumption is a 75 watt

69:16 difference so you see where the confusion comes

69:19 from so yeah so 220 wat TDP means these

69:23 things bust out a ton of heat which also affects the vrm solution because even if

69:28 you have a beefy vrm if it doesn't have adequate Cooling and there's this 220

69:32 watt heating element and that's before people overclock them and TDP goes on a

69:37 curve like this as you start to overclock it um there's a lot of heat

69:42 there that can burn out vrms as well uh how bad are Corsair SP 1220s compared to

69:46 n2s I mean they're not bad they have a bit more of a ticking noise particularly

69:51 when they're undervolted um they don't perform as well um

69:56 they look really they look way better that's that's I think that's where the

70:00 main competition is people don't like the look of nocu but you see a lot of SP

70:04 that's why I'm using GED wings and AP1 121s cuz I can't accept the nocas in my

70:09 in my personal build which has a blue and black color scheme the interchangeable rings on SP 1220s are

70:14 awesome that was such that was such an innovation really good move it was like

70:17 the weirdest smallest thing I didn't think it mattered at first and then I

70:20 started seeing it in different colored builds and I was just like they hit the

70:23 nail on the head with that one they really really did yeah hey lonus why don't you ever talk about GTX funny cuz

70:28 I just talked about it uh I don't have one NVIDIA never sent me one because I

70:32 was literally in a delivery room when

70:36 the conference call that I had to be on in order to get one was going on not

70:40 delivery room as in like male yeah like like my baby was being born so uh so

70:46 they so I mean they only have review samples when they have review samples

70:49 and it was one of those things where they were just like

70:53 dude sorry man and I was like okay okay

70:57 still can't make it but okay other than that we have every NVIDIA GPU that

71:01 they've done over the last uh however long so uh tell us more about the Omni

71:06 experience it was very cool but we've talked about it a fair bit we actually

71:09 have an interview with uh with Yan coming up on the line of tech tips

71:12 Channel soon is the ASUS Zonar something

71:15 still relevant probably um I don't know I can never remember what a DX or an XE

71:20 or seem to move way too fast they don't move too fast get a Zonar you'll be

71:25 happy you'll be good for at least quite a while yes I prefer single GPU cards

71:29 what's up with the 590 in my rig I had a water block I had a 590 and they look so

71:34 good with that water block and they look so good with that water block like I use

71:38 bad components people ask me what's in

71:41 my personal rig and I'm almost afraid to tell them sometimes because I use stuff

71:45 that just makes no sense yes but then look at the same time look at super

71:49 super high-end system Builders like like people making stuff for million dollar

71:53 PC and stuff if you look at what's in in the computer it's not always that good

71:57 but the stuff I'm using is like balling but like makes no sense I have an

72:01 extreme Edition yeah like I I don't even

72:04 have it overclocked that hard I could literally get a

72:08 3930k overclock it and get better performance if I just spent a little bit

72:12 of time T tuning it um I have two sticks

72:15 of RAM in an LGA 2011 board right now

72:18 because I just haven't gotten around to moving the RAM that's in that rig over

72:21 there to my system I have a 590 which

72:24 makes not an ounce of sense because the power consumption of it especially

72:28 compared to 600 series and 7,000 series is terrible at idol the amount of heat

72:33 it kicks out is just devastating um I have looks good some

72:40 ludicrous raid card with eight ssds in raid zero which I do not recommend

72:44 running the amount of times I've had panic moments because my computer blue

72:49 screens and the RAID controller has a small freak out and loses my array and I

72:53 have to swap the cables and the alarms off and the I mean I'm I'm running in a

72:58 Cari laser which is like a 5-year-old Mouse I was like I was talking to one of

73:03 the guys that used to be at meic and he was like really there's way better mice

73:07 out there and I'm like I know but I just I love it and I can't change I just

73:11 can't change I have it dialed into exactly the settings I like what can I

73:15 do changing mice is difficult it really is I'm trying to change to the death out

73:19 2013 right now even just form factor because okay I have a G500 yeah I know

73:24 that there's problems with the lasers yeah that is a very well-known thing so

73:29 don't listen to us basically but if I put my hand on any other Mouse it's like

73:33 Oh that's oh it doesn't feel like a G500 yeah like I look at like my uh my case

73:39 makes no sense like tj07 that I've

73:42 probably spent $7 to $800 on and then I

73:45 haven't even spent the money in ways that are like good like instead of

73:49 buying like a Murder mod front panel for it I got a bunch of antech 900 front

73:54 grills and like powder coated them so that I could put another Radiator in the

73:58 front with like velcro let's see what else about my

74:04 build makes my pump is like 5 and 1/2 years old and you have newer ones with

74:08 the same and I have newer ones with the same model but I was just like oh I don't know this one's like Works it'll

74:13 probably be fine should be fine don't worry about it hey

74:17 girl yeah so I hate telling people about my rig I'm running a BenQ 24in monitor

74:23 that probably weighs as much as a CR T cuz it's so old it's like some slow VA

74:28 panel because my my 30-in monitor broke and I don't have money to replace it so

74:33 yeah bike over monitor I should totally do a Kickstarter buy Linus a new

74:38 monitor and like what do you get for doing it lamest Kickstarter ever you get

74:42 the self-satisfaction that's horrible

74:45 I'm not going to do it okay um there's people tweeting about us crashing noa's

74:51 website sorry Noca sorry um

74:55 what do you think of track ball mice

74:59 no we probably shouldn't get subjective no subjective um in very very specific

75:05 use cases I think they can be very cool a lime fire X has to go how long is the

75:09 stream going to be I'm trying to say awake it's so early in the morning thank

75:12 you for trying I have no idea what time is it I don't know when we started I

75:16 don't know when we started I don't know what time it is we were really late why

75:19 don't we burn through some topics here so that we can so we can at least end it

75:22 when they're tired of listening to us okay um and anek did a did a pretty cool

75:27 article uh best CPU best gaming CPUs for

75:30 the money 2013 guys check this out it was submitted on the Forum by excuse me

75:35 Samuel um there were a couple things in here that I thought were a little bit

75:39 suspect um so this is by Ian cutris I believe he's a doctor so I'm going to

75:43 say Dr cutris um I actually ran into him at computex cool yeah we ran into each

75:48 other in the ASRock Booth cool um I didn't think he was going to recognize

75:52 me because I'd only met him once before that I also ran into Anand and we filmed

75:57 an interview that all of my editors passive aggressively didn't edit and

76:02 didn't upload because apparently I was fanboying way too hard holy cow we

76:07 should we should release it at least un like unedited and we just release it I'm

76:12 not ashamed to Fanboy over on N it was awesome 40 minutes long whatever 50

76:17 minutes long they don't have to watch the whole thing and then the walk away

76:20 was amazing too I filmed part of it I don't think I'm going to release this

76:23 but I filmed part of it with the other two guys in the crew just like us all

76:28 talking about you and an N walking away whatever it was fantastic and then I

76:32 drew like fake little love circles I can think of I can think of worse people to

76:35 have a bromance with so anyway um so

76:39 their conclusions A8 5600k plus the core parking updates for

76:43 Windows is their CPU for single GPU

76:46 gaming this was can you still even get those core parking updates I think so

76:51 yeah okay and I think Windows 8 comes with them or something like it's not

76:54 that bad um so interesting choice makes

76:59 a lot of sense it does they're overclockable y it's not like you need I

77:02 mean we saw going results going from Sandy bridge to Ivy bridge to Haswell in

77:07 games what two three FPS that much you

77:11 won't notice it that much I love my 2600k Pepsi challenge

77:15 tmrc whatever all the things are Pepsi challenge aside like you'd never know

77:20 the difference sitting down in front of them which is to me the most important thing

77:25 my 2600k is overclocked quite well yep and I yeah I couldn't bring myself this

77:31 CPU costs next to nothing yep the boards are cheap super cheap fm2 boards cost

77:36 nothing 890 bucks for like a pretty good board for a pretty good board and it'll

77:40 be Crossfire ready or whatever else so I thought that was a fantastic uh I

77:44 thought that was a fantastic choice um the next one I thought was a little bit

77:48 weird 2500k can you even still get these 2500k

77:53 yeah that's actually not a bad choice though

77:57 I don't know how you could get one yeah exactly like what kind of what kind of recommendation is that though let me see

78:02 real quick and fx8350 to me look really

78:05 smacks of sort of trying to appease AMD here because

78:09 fx8350 because games are not really going to leverage those extra cores in a

78:13 meaningful way right now um is not going to perform that much better than the

78:16 5600k that they already recommended especially after you're overclocking

78:20 that 5600k I think it was almost reaching for like a better CPU to use

78:26 for dual GPU gaming just so that they could recommend something because you

78:29 still feel kind of silly putting a Titan in something like a 5600k system because

78:34 it just feels inappropriate but um I

78:37 mean really 2500k yeah it's not even listed on on NC it's not listed on

78:42 NewEgg like where are you going to buy these I mean 3500 for 3570k I could kind

78:47 of see and they do talk about that and the text blurb under it but uh yeah I

78:52 think it's a good choice and then the next one was

78:55 3770k and I I kind of had the same I kind of had the same feeling here where

79:00 the this was the triple GPU gaming CPU so they're saying um or yeah they're

79:06 saying 4770k I'm not really convinced wait Tri

79:11 okay and then for Quad GPU they say 3770k with the plx board because they

79:17 haven't had much experience with Z87 boards with plx chipset but I mean still

79:21 I'm not convinced that a hyperthreaded CP

79:25 makes any kind of an impact because you have more gpus um no we've had great great results

79:32 with non hyper threaded CPUs with multiple card we don't test multiple

79:35 graphics cards that much which is possibly part of that because neither of

79:40 us like them yeah well it's not so much

79:43 a like or dislike thing it's just uh it's it's so few people that are

79:47 actually running these three-way and fourway setups and with uh frame rating

79:52 and all that other stuff going around but on It's relatively not a problem

79:56 true um I mean and I've run SLI setups

80:00 many times for all of my preaching about single G that's another thing for all

80:03 the preaching I do about no TOA fans and single GPU setups I'm running yed wings

80:08 and Silverstone air penetrators which are both good fans too by the way and

80:11 I'm running a 590 and okay and I ran 7900 GT SLI and I ran 7950 GT SLI and I

80:20 ran GTX 260 SLI and I ran 8800 GTS 320

80:25 gig SLI and I ran no I think that was it I I my

80:32 buddy Harrison wanted a super super super high performance rig and ended up

80:36 getting him to get two 660 Ti power editions the original ones when you

80:39 could overclock them like crazy that was a great card and like that was a crazy

80:43 card and he esed them and they're crazy powerful sometimes it makes a ton of

80:47 sense yeah so anyway saying like usually we don't check out the Anon Tech article

80:52 thank you to uh to s ual for submitting

80:55 that article on the Forum in the news section guys don't forget if you submit

80:58 news items in the Forum there is a chance we will feature you on the live

81:02 stream which uh we don't it doesn't entitle you to any money but that

81:06 basically means you're like the rest of the lonus Media Group

81:13 employees that YouTube money

81:17 right uh NVIDIA licenses out Kepler

81:20 architecture and future GPU architectures uh submitted by good this

81:24 is also an article on Anon and I'm not going to wax on about how Anon is

81:28 awesome and I read it every day um if

81:32 that's a preview that's a preview of the interview with the net not only do I

81:35 read it every day but I've been reading it every day for years like I brought up

81:39 stuff in the interview he'd be like yeah something something something I'd be

81:42 like yeah kind of like in that article where you said this and he's just like

81:46 how do you possibly you really have been reading me for a long time like yeah

81:50 I've read everything you've ever written um we should relase that

81:54 interview yeah I probably should I was like yeah and you went through that phase where you were only interested in

81:59 like home theater crap for a while and he was like yeah I

82:02 did I was like yeah it was hard to keep reading your articles at that time

82:06 because home theater is so far behind in Canada because none of the providers

82:10 okay I'm not going to talk about a non Tech anymore um so moving on so this to

82:15 me is bizarre so they'll be licensing out their architecture in much the same

82:19 way that ARM does for its ARM architecture processors

82:24 what the devil does this mean go I I

82:29 haven't read enough into it it's just nuts like so are is there potential that

82:35 we could see an Intel you know I don't know

82:39 trollbridge CPU at some point with an

82:42 NVIDIA GeForce GPU in it troll bridge yes and this is where I think CU I'm

82:46 kind of trolling because I don't think Intel's going to do it but but it could

82:50 could we see someone else could as well and you look at like does this work

82:54 against what NVIDIA is trying to do with Tegra it feels like it is are they

83:00 shifting strategy here are they giving up on Tegra where they designed their

83:05 own complete chip but on the other hand they acquired all those Wireless patents

83:09 so so are they are they trying to own

83:12 are they trying to spread into the ecosystem are they hedging their bets

83:16 are they going we're still committed to Tegra we still believe according to the

83:20 code names of teger CPUs that they are basically our superhero product

83:25 but are they trying to make it so that there's a possibility that a Samsung or

83:30 Apple on the down low would put GeForce

83:33 inside because we can all agree that Tegra

83:37 Graphics have a lot of potential and they can basically compete with

83:41 themselves at this point yes which is interesting because if they're competing

83:45 with themselves they're still getting sales on both sides yes which is really

83:50 really good like really really good it

83:54 it opens the doors to a ton of stuff it could burst money into them which is

83:58 also another thing yeah it could be a really really good Financial depending

84:01 how the licensing depending on licing works all that kind of stuff who actually buys it we don't know right now

84:06 like it could be amazing it could not be amazing I mean it's interesting that is

84:10 just like Bizarro land to me it's weird because they've always been so closed

84:15 doors I mean if they're talking about you know having licensing partners for

84:19 the GPU Tech I mean at that point you're

84:22 going to have to start sharing GPU technology before release they have

84:27 always been like nope like I have a

84:30 feeling that you could get killed at NVIDIA for like releasing I mean okay if

84:36 Jensen's watching I know you wouldn't kill anybody I I met him once he's super

84:40 cool um but

84:45 yeah still though that's they've always been

84:49 hardcore this is our technology you don't mess with it and uh I don't know

84:54 this is just uh this is this is so bizarre I mean would they would they

84:58 would they license it to AMD if they wanted to that's one thing I was just

85:02 thinking but I don't think so because at that point like you just said they'd

85:06 have to release stuff before the release and I don't think AMD would actually

85:09 want it I think they take a lot of pride in what they've done with Radeon over

85:14 the last little while and they are take like if you look at the architectures

85:17 they're really different yes they're very very different gravis cards but they're really different and you look at

85:22 I mean AMD in some ways yeah is is as

85:25 ahead of the curve as they've ever been in terms of the tech do they have a

85:29 competitor for Titan no but that was never their strategy no

85:34 not in the not since they did 3870 has that been their strategy the

85:39 highend is meant to be addressed by two dual by a dual GPU card um so so yeah so

85:45 there so there's that you look at how far ahead they are on in terms of open C

85:48 Al performance which is going to be much very relevant moving forward that's

85:53 going to be a big deal and it feels like I mean particularly with Adobe moving to

85:57 opencl it feels like that battle is going to be

86:02 interesting open SE versus Cuda uh you look at how competitive six uh 7,000

86:08 series still is even though it launched before this is something a lot of people

86:12 forget 7,000 series is old people ask me

86:16 all the time lonus why don't you ever do any coverage of AMD gpus well because

86:19 they haven't freaking released anything in a long time because 7,000 series was

86:24 before 600 series and NVIDIA is refreshing to 700 series already and

86:28 they didn't get us to 7990 and and they didn't get but we have one now the

86:32 unboxing is shot and it'll be up soon so

86:36 there you go so that means I get to and we got a 7790 finally uh I don't know if

86:40 there's any point in US benchmarking it because we don't have a frame rating

86:44 setup right I don't know so we'll we'll we'll we'll discuss internally and see

86:49 what we think makes sense but

86:52 um yeah I mean they're they're really ahead they're really advanced in in a

86:56 way that and I think it would be a pride thing I don't think AMD would want to

87:00 take you know yeah help from the Green

87:04 Team then again I'm you know I'm not going to speak for amds be interesting

87:08 Technologies at the same time like they're trying to get um oh man why

87:13 can't I remember the name of it right now dress effects yeah the hair thing

87:18 yep they might be able to pull in help by getting some of the Technologies from

87:22 physic okay so I don't again pride thing

87:25 which is honestly as a company I wouldn't want to be like hey we want to

87:29 like figure out yeah we're going to start you know pushing physx yeah that

87:33 doesn't seem like the right move and I don't think they'll do it I just can't imagine AMD putting anything green on

87:37 their box yeah no they even moved away

87:41 from it on the AMD CPU side like nope

87:44 nope our performance stuff is all red yeah done

87:48 yeah um how are the angel bird internal ssds any good they're sand Force ssds so

87:52 they couldn't be bad so far just based

87:56 on the sort of fit and finish of this I would say their attention to detail and

88:00 quality is outstanding and it's been doing great we've actually used it a lot

88:04 using it all day today um please do a guide on the tea balancer yeah I know

88:08 it's for like seven people that need one

88:12 um other than mice causing pregnancy oh shoot you guys can't see Twitter right

88:15 now I'm sorry uh let's lus let's just say your

88:19 personal rig is full of things that you take risks on dayto day yes I do

88:24 what what do you think about Omni and the Elder Scrolls guy working together

88:28 to make okay what do you think about Omni and Elder Scrolls would you play

88:31 Elder Scrolls with an omni uh if I want to become a marathon runner true that

88:36 okay fast travel I guess yeah but I okay I don't want to

88:41 get into this I'll talk for too long Ivy Bridge uses a very cheap thermal

88:44 solution under the IHS 2500k is great good for you but you can't buy one

88:48 that's what we were talking about he he I think he I I think I saw that tweet

88:52 too I have won at 5 years so he has one

88:55 already he's not trying to buy one oh and you could technically buy them

88:59 that's not really relevant from for a 2013 buyer guide though definitely not

89:03 okay but do you think the Dell u31 is

89:08 worth $1,400 depends what you're doing are you a professional user yeah are you

89:12 a professional well yeah are you a professional user who can't quite afford

89:15 an

89:19 isoo super expensive I don't I've never even looked into it I know I've know

89:23 more than one person that has that monitor because it's amazingly good yeah

89:26 I know some graphic designers I bought a 2405 fpw back in the day I picked one up

89:31 used for 750 or 800 bucks like that was

89:35 the most expensive monitor I've ever bought even my 30 in I only spent around

89:39 650 bucks on it um Dell monitors are outstanding that 2405 fpw that's an 05

89:45 model is still running and it's starting to fade it's

89:49 been fading for about a year but it's still on my wife's desk so I believe in

89:53 Dell monitors I'll just put really really really good it's my personal

89:56 experience best CPU for 3D rendering and rendering in general I have a six core

90:00 1090t I mean 3930k is what I would

90:05 go um I think I accidentally scrolled up or

90:09 something most embarrassing moment at computex was it all the booth babes

90:14 trying to take pictures with you yeah probably that's weird never happened to

90:18 me so I guess uh I guess we didn't even

90:22 release the video of the best one oh really oh that no it got lost oh did it

90:26 yeah it glitched out I pulled the USB

90:30 drive out of the computer without safely removing and the file oh that one was

90:35 the best one oh Boll was like choked so

90:38 choked he was like I wanted that to I know I'm sorry

90:44 it was my bad it was my bad well I don't safely remove flash lives either so I I

90:48 can't be that mad you could have EAS you could have just as easily done it but Boll was mad yeah cuz he does and he

90:53 does do we don't have time we're just like ah

90:57 let's go go go the files are of lesser importance than getting this USB drive

91:01 out as quickly as we can I CL yeah that's broken that's like definitely

91:05 broken oh okay well we tried to go to this link but uh here you go guys China

91:10 now has the world's fastest supercomputer by a long fraking shot

91:14 Titan has been surpassed so NVIDIA is going to have to redo all of their

91:17 marketing around the world's fastest supercomputer and the Titan GPU I mean

91:22 it was the world's fastest supercomputer and that whole thing is just a Leap Frog

91:25 race oh yeah insanely fast too and Titan's still fast don't worry and I

91:29 mean China's approach was to throw what was it like something like a million

91:33 plus CPUs at the problem trying they built their own interconnect to

91:37 communicate from like node to node and

91:40 the thing is fraking beast and it's basically part of China's initiative to

91:46 be to to to have their own it resources

91:49 that are just freaking boss because when China decides to do something and like

91:54 do it hardcore like look at the Beijing Olympics everything about it was like

91:58 awesome like I honestly living in Vancouver I just felt embarrassed by

92:04 things like our Opening Ceremonies compared to the Beijing one just like

92:08 everything was embarrassing compared to just China is hardcore uh so blah blah

92:12 blah they you so they're not using their own CPUs although there

92:18 are so yeah this is so super so Titan is

92:21 just over half of the power of the new uh whatever it's called Ti and not power

92:28 draw yeah no uh Power in terms of like

92:31 ra yeah yeah um Gun Show time so also

92:35 known as Milky Way 2 consists of 16,000 nodes inside each node two Intel xon

92:42 ivybridge processors and three Intel xon five processors run the show adding up

92:47 to a total of 3.12 million Computing

92:51 cores okay then the machine is is scheduled to be fully operational by the

92:55 end of this year something something something so most of the features of the

92:59 system were developed in China they're using only Intel for the main compute

93:02 part however the interconnect operating system frontend processors and software

93:08 are mainly Chinese very interesting and

93:11 the Chinese are looking into making their own processors right yeah like

93:14 like yep large large scale in fact there

93:19 are something where are they something something something something something

93:23 ah can't find it I think there are some Chinese processors in there that they're

93:27 not even factoring into the power of it

93:30 from it's like a top 500 supercomputer perspective and it's more specialized

93:34 for like weather weather predictions or something I pretty sure I read that

93:39 anyway this could be a slightly I think I clicked on another link within the

93:42 article and I I kind of kept reading about it cuz I was interested in it but

93:46 uh There You Go China dominant in terms of world's fastest but I think the US

93:50 still has something ludicrous like 200 of the top 500 super computers and China

93:54 has like 70 or something like that so it's still it's still the US uh the US

94:00 show in terms of supercomputing and let's do build of the week and then I

94:03 think we're pretty much going to do another Twitter Blitz and wrap this up

94:06 folks build of the week is a you're up uh oh okay I did a PowerPoint for it oh

94:12 where is it this works it's in the Google Drive all right Google Drive oh

94:17 you're showing the Google Das whatever um uh what's it called uh today's try

94:22 today's date with dashes today date with dashes are you what are you hi what

94:26 didn't mean type in today 6-21

94:30 sl23 really oh really yeah and it's

94:34 going to look like and your naming thing for the file earlier I was like yeah

94:39 three numbers that's perfect all right so here we go wow did we see this I saw

94:44 that we saw this yeah I saw this at compex yeah and it's in it's in a video

94:49 that we did of the ECS Booth is this on her form this is she posted it on her

94:53 her to while she was there because there was the five mod men competition right

94:56 she was the only one actively standing by her computer and actively talking

95:00 about her computer so I was like you should post this on her Forum you'll get tons of traffic she ended up winning a

95:04 Community Choice Award cool which is awesome and I think largely driven by

95:08 our fans because it in our video and that's really really cool the power

95:12 suppies is in the bottom it's all she's a gold and silver smith oh is it silver

95:18 it's no it's aluminum oh okay um but like she has the tools to do that kind

95:23 of stuff what's oh that's the other build of the week okay so uh where do

95:26 they go to get the links for build of the week the links for this will be in

95:29 I'll tweet them out right now they will be in a form topic on the top of build

95:34 logs um made by windspeed 36 so you'll be able to find these later on um he

95:39 will add them there and I'll tweet these out but they're both totally awesome

95:42 this one is user fat you can find her on the Forum you can check the build doogs

95:46 thread she's still I think page one or two and that thing is very very very

95:50 cool all right next up this is user rjf

95:55 049 with okay then the most creative name I've ever seen and it's on a test

96:00 bench but it's really interesting I really really suggest checking out the

96:04 thread because while this is the most um

96:07 like pulled out video uh picture I could see that really showed the whole build

96:11 you should really really see the closer up pictures because he's got really nice look at that individually sleeved

96:15 cabling it's like perfect super nice sleeving um and he sleeved his tubes oh

96:21 it really good looks it looks really really good the test bench is way too

96:27 big I see that it's way too big and it's

96:30 a lot bigger that's an hptx uh it's one of the uh ah what am I not cool it um um

96:37 deusch no no they do like pots or whatever the fit thing oh phobia phobia

96:43 it's a phobia test bench and it's absolutely massive and I mean how many

96:47 slots do this 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 like

96:52 is that 11 what kind of board does this okay anyway whatever you want but it's a

96:56 really really cool build I've said really really a ton you do say about a

97:00 ton I do I fall back on if I say really

97:04 really or very very it buys me time so I can figure out what I'm going to say

97:07 next look how dark we are now yeah cuz it's dimming outside yeah um anyway guys

97:13 check out the builds of the week they're awesome as usual we will be back oh no I

97:17 said we would do a Twitter Blitz okay guys Twitter Blitz time slick thoughts

97:22 on Elder schools online coming to consoles no we're not talking about

97:25 that um if you want to talk about that we'll talk about that later in some

97:29 medium either message me on the forarm or start a thread or something I'll show up my PC and everything in it is four5

97:35 years old is it worth upgrading over time save for a new build do that thing

97:38 save for a new build it is pretty much always uh a better choice will you

97:44 autograph my side panel if I send it to you that's not really a service we

97:49 offer um honestly I think you'll be Amed

97:53 at how expensive it is to I shipped a motherboard to Australia today and it

97:57 was $90 and that was going through

98:01 through the shipping rates that are available at NC I called in a favor

98:06 which is not how much it would have cost if we went normally yeah it was like 250

98:10 bucks FedEx quoted us yeah uh should I get an h8i or an h100i get an h100i

98:16 Haswell e x99 LGA 20113 any news not

98:20 really I mean Ivy bridy isn't out yet

98:24 so what's up with the PS4 saying it will have ddr5 RAM it has gddr5 RAM and it

98:29 shares that Graphics memory which the main differences between Graphics memory

98:33 and system memory are that it's higher latency and typically higher clock

98:36 speeds um it's going to share that as system memory this is something we've

98:40 never seen before and everyone is very interested to see how that goes yeah are

98:44 closed loop water cools generally loud no but the h60 if you want to overclock

98:49 could potentially be get an h100i or an h110 if you want something really quiet

98:53 to do a few uh should I push pull a heat sink with two different fans

98:59 no compression lost lossy lossless

99:02 versus uncompressed files in terms of video audio photos uh uncompressed as

99:07 far as I know is I'm not really sure

99:10 what the question is yeah okay moving on um are we I think so we haven't finished

99:15 yet we're close okay okay okay is there

99:18 going to be an yes H h100i if you can fit an h100i do

99:24 an h100i anything new on NVIDIA Shadow play not that I've heard I'm excited

99:29 yeah they're still saying it's coming in the summer sometime yeah super

99:33 excited uh presumably Seagate or Western

99:36 Digital yeah yeah they probably have a really good deal

99:41 actually is the Haswell on the same line as in's extreme Edition they are using

99:45 different processor architectures um and they are they have

99:50 a different number of cores and they're on different plat forms um performance

99:55 however is pretty similar particularly for gaming not for things like 3D

99:59 rendering or more professional work pros and cons of upgrading to a 120 HZ

100:03 monitor specifically I'm a gamer go do you want like H are you going for 3D

100:08 like um this kind of a question I would throw this on the Forum because you can

100:12 get a lot more in depth than what we're going to get it to now we need to know

100:16 more of what you're doing like yes you're a gamer but we need to know like

100:19 what games what you want to do with it all that kind of stuff so I would recommend posting on the for Will and

100:23 can do a build video for around a 3,000 we aren't really planning on that right

100:26 now but I do have a call with Intel this coming week where we're going to discuss

100:30 what we're doing for our next Intel sponsored build

100:33 guide you can buy new ones apparently on

100:36 Amazon cool okay it's 230 bucks though

100:41 yeah that's not even a good deal no okay

100:44 I'm making an 8 SSD rate array should I set up a RAM dis probably not I mean you

100:50 can use um fancy cash

100:53 but I think it's still in beta or something like it's one of those things

100:56 where yeah sure go for it I do it but I still wouldn't recommend it all that

100:59 stuff is a little bit sketch right now but it's fun so whatever you want to do

101:03 well with the new consoles how much of the8 core CPU label will translate into

101:07 performance and how much is Just marketing speak I think we'll see when it comes

101:12 out it depends on how optimized the games are for multicore yeah because

101:16 these are not powerful cores nope but people are going to be they optimize

101:21 like crazy for console y I remember when um jumping back to this when they were

101:26 making mowind they had to move the data

101:29 that was going to be read more closer in the disc so it can be R

101:34 faster excuse me ah sorry will you do a

101:39 review of the h630 Yeah we actually have one sitting downstairs we just haven't

101:43 gotten around to it yet good morning from Israel hello hello good

101:49 morning do you recommend 2 670s or

101:53 single 770 780 go 780 okay agreed what

101:58 would you recommend for a sad with decent storage and good speed well I'd recommend you watch us on your computer

102:03 and not on your phone for one thing if you want to type correctly uh just uh

102:08 SSD with good storage in good speed I don't know anything from Samsung Intel

102:12 crucial um quite frankly the new Neutron GTX from Corsair is getting Ray reviews

102:18 these days there's a lot of really solid stuff right now and it's not moving

102:21 super quickly right now seates new stuff is outstanding I mean you look at how

102:25 much it's slowed down San Force SATA 3 is

102:28 still very relevant very competitive um

102:32 so yeah DDR3 ddr5 in the PS4 we already

102:35 talked about this gaming monitor 3x 23 in or 21 by9 27 in both are IPS 5

102:41 millisecond response time and both Solutions are around 600 bucks go so

102:45 wait is he doing 127 in or 3 1 21 by9

102:50 super widescreen 27 in or 32 3-in

102:53 monitors in surround remember we saw one today the

102:58 uh the Alienware one yeah I don't like

103:01 that personally you'd I would really

103:04 recommend trying to go to a store where you can see it in person I find it is

103:08 very flat whereas to be an equal distance away from the monitor you

103:13 almost bit curvature you almost need some curvature there we've seen some kind of stuff like that from I don't

103:17 remember who but they made this giant curve monitor which was realistically

103:20 three monitors right blah blah blah blah blah my friend needs to format a sparrow

103:24 s drive and Windows just won't let him format it any tools to format it um yeah

103:28 Fisk within Windows you can actually force it so uh lus oh already got that

103:34 one already got that one a few times I think can you recommend the Silverstone

103:39 ps07 or another less than greater than seven or another greater than $70 us

103:44 case make an ultimate silence build with KN to1 T balancer you know what I'm not

103:49 that familiar with the ps07 unfortunately so I'm I'm

103:54 sorry uh what does okay we already talked about that already talked about

103:58 that ASUS bamboo really he asked me what

104:01 laptop I had oh

104:05 okay suggesting okay well I think that's pretty much it thank you everyone and

104:11 good night well what we're going to do

104:14 well good night for now until after party which um I don't know how long

104:19 we'll be able to go tonight it's already 7:30 and we kind of have stuff to go do

104:25 wow yeah okay maybe we'll just we showed up really late and we went for two hours

104:30 I think we went for two hours I think so oh okay okay well thank you everyone and

104:37 good night for real this time good night

104:40 thanks for watching