The WAN Show: UBISOFT IS THE NEW EA! - June 20th, 2014
Linus Tech Tips
·Linus Tech Tips
·2015-05-07
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okay guys welcome to the WAN Show hopefully there are no technical
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difficulties today because we're live without doing a test
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stream I love how twitch didn't tell their biggest partner that they now have
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YouTube integration thanks
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guys yeah yeah oh right right I thought you meant their biggest partner in
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general but you mean in terms of their uh their YouTube their Network their
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YouTube Network their biggest YouTube Network didn't know that now have
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YouTube integration with twitch Yeah well
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yeah I think they're uh I think they've
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got you know other things to deal with you know I don't feel too bad about it
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anyway guys welcome to the W show we've
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got a fantastic show planned for you today as we always do every show is
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great uh the part that I lied about was the planning I don't even have the
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document up on my computer yet you tell them about the show we have um just
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general disent for Ubisoft disent I said
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the wrong word we're just going to invent words because there are no words
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for how disatisfied we are there we go with how Ubisoft is treating PC Gamers
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disent I'm full of disent um they're full of
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disent their dis intentions are discombobulating my dentry
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and taking real words we just got dissed
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surrounding them with fake ones um and EA might not suck as much anymore but
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they haven't made that an actionable item yet so haven't made an what are you
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even talking about they haven't done anything with it they're just like yeah
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they're like they're doing they're pulling the Microsoft thing they're pulling the Microsoft thing we're going
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to support PC gaming sometime but EA's never actually
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gone that far before so this is still a step in the right direction that's true
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usually they're just like screw you guys at least they're paying lip service to
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the PC gaming Community this is true this is true T-Mobile test drive ripped
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bigger and bigger didn't if catman's
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watching he's just going to be like what
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are you kidding me you mean that guy that was just constantly like I don't
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like it make it go away he gets the credit for everything really no and that
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my friend is how Corporate America Works kind of
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yeah okay any no but seriously huge big UPS to Catman for being a cat and a man
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it's like anyway we'll talk more about that later but for now intro time
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exists but he's popular and he's popular well depending who you ask and finally
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we have an upcoming live stream it's going to be an ask the expert live
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CPUs came to be and a hint word for the
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word to the wise uh we may or may not be giving away a couple of Devil's Canyon
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CPUs on a for mention
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stream are you genuinely like surprised
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or are you doing like the good co-host this guy is crazy I actually I okay
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that's amazing you guys should be interested in what he's saying
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oh my God one I didn't know this was
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happening until like five minutes ago when you were like oh my God where's the
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image and I was like apparently we need an image for this thing which may or may
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not be a thing and then now we're giving away processors on it that's right
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that's cool like I this is legitimate like I actually had literally no idea we
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make snap decisions speaking of making SN you
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giving away mine your what the the ones that I've been testing with okay cool
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yeah don't worry it's all good I like those ones we got new we got new ones
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okay so I have the wrong document up still so you're on point oh no here we
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go all right so the headline this week
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all the fail Ubisoft could you have shot yourselves
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in the foot any better if you tried do
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you want to do you want to go through this while I I I'll manage what they're
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looking at on my screen here okay sure sure I I don't I don't understand how
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people haven't figured it out yet that one like don't lie to PC Gamers gamers
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in general but don't lie to PC Gamers they're gonna like Gabe has a quote like
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really really good quote about like yeah don't lie to the internet because
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they'll figure it out they'll plaster it everywhere and they'll never ever forget
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about it and it's just like what are you doing so so basically it all started on
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a misty day fog covered day with great
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headlight effects back in 201
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2012 all all the Fanboys were excited
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about Watch Dogs with its amazing graphical Fidelity being showcased on
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the PC they they they dreamt of nights in
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future days when they could spend time night and Future Days you can listen to
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yourself when they spend time reacting
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to the light effects of lens flare of AFF mentioned Watchdogs and the depth of
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field and then Watchdogs launched here in 2014 total poo well total poo is
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unfair it looked like but what we can say is that it didn't look as good as
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Far Cry 3 which which is a Ubisoft title
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and old and not new so talk about this
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neoaf article that I've had sitting on my screen for a bit here what is this
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okay so two different modders CAD zate 24 and the worse um I'm more familiar
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with the the worse have released mods which unlock original Graphics effects
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to do this they they had to it's a lot harder than I'm going to explain right
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now but effectively they just turned things on they had to find them which
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was extremely difficult they had to gain access to them which was extremely
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difficult and all that kind of stuff but essentially it's already there they just
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had to turn it on which is fantastically
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amazing and horrible at the same time uh it it turns on tons and tons of
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different effects like uh St St I I love
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how Ubisoft I'm going to go into UB response Ubisoft response is classic so
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this is really long but it goes the dev team is completely dedicated to getting
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the most out of each platform so the notion that we you haven't you haven't
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talked about the stuff yet hold but I want to I want to talk show this and
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then show the improvements because they contradict themselves a little bit
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stressing me out okay so we want to get the most out of each platform whatever
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the notion that we would actively downgrade quality is contrary to everything we've set out to achieve we
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test and optimize our games for each platform on which they released
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strivings for the best quality POS possible I'm mixing this up a little bit
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the PC version does indeed contain some old unused render settings that were
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deactivated for V variety of reasons including possible impacts on visual
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Fidelity stability performance and overall gameplay then it goes on to some
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long stuff after that but I just wanted to show the like we deactivated it
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because of stability and stuff in the patch notes for the mods and in a lot of
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the reports that I've been reading from people that have tried these mods also known as pretty much all of them it's it
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runs smoother it's faster it's just as
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or more stable and looks way better because they've done things like uh
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allowing E3 2012 Bloom which is a setting ridiculous um performance
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improvements enabled headlight Shadows LED changes reflection changes added
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three new camera changes like closer normal further to give credit where
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credit is due this is total biscuits 25 minute rant on how ridiculous this is
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where he figures the only two conclusions uh for why Ubisoft might
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have turned off all of these settings cuz he's sitting here playing the game
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with everything turned on getting about the same performance that he was without
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all this stuff turned on when the theory you know in your mind is that more
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graphical Fidelity is supposed to make the game Run worse unless they're intentionally handicapping it so he
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comes up with two conclusions number one is gross incompetence and number two is
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that they're liars and those are basically the only ones that I can come
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up with too so anyway keep I'm just going to let them watch Total biscuit play this game cuz he's a good guy and
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this is a this is a pretty good video about how stupid this whole situation is
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yeah so they added all that stuff they also added stuff like lens flare lighting changes civilian
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density tons of stuff and there's even more stuff coming on the way that
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they're planning to improve and because they've broken into it this far I expect
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actual full mods to come out at some point which aren't just turning things
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on which like this is still Absolut I'm not I'm not trying to downgrade what Cad
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zate and the worse are doing I'm just saying uh it could be different from
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there um then people started freaking
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out because there was a softpedia article with a quote from Ubisoft
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talking about Far Cry 4 saying that Far Cry 4 on PC at maximum settings will
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look the same as it does on consoles so and their claim here so
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their their BS claim is oh yeah yeah
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well we we deved it on the PC and then we just we just like plugged that code
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into the the the current gen new consoles and it like ran so amazing that
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everyone's going to have the best experience regardless of what is that as
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stunning as next gen console games are starting to look no wait no that's
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Forbes right so even out of the box even
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day one we just stuck the code on the new consoles and we were able to dial it
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all the way up so as a console player you're already getting by far the best
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version we can
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ship can ship also known as they went through and scrubbed their Co this time
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took out everything that mentioned anything about PC turned like instead of
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just turning settings off completely removed them and then went yeah that's
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what you're getting so to make matters worse I don't know if this is actually
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in your notes but the word on the street is that the Watchdog performance patch
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that was supposed to come at the beginning of this month uh is going to
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disable the hack no I had never heard of that yeah
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really so basically Ubisoft just keeps
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on digging is that is that actually like a
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really good source that that's for I'm going to have to double check I'll tell
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you what I will double check right now um but okay I can go into the rest of
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what ubisoft's response was um
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so modders are usually creative and passionate players and while we
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appreciate their enthusiasm the mod in question which uses those old settings
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subjectively enhances the game's visual Fidelity in certain situations but also
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can have various negative impacts never seen any of those there's a little bit
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of headlight flicker that total biscuit noticed oh no he he's even said it
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wasn't a big deal and yeah yeah if there's someone who's going to criticize
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like graphical Fidelity it's going to be total biscuit it'll be total biscuit so
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there's that um those could range from uh performance
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issues nope uh to difficulty in reading
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the environment nope uh to potentially
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making the game less enjoyable or even unstable nope and no no so nothing that
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they've claimed has actually been like perceived by anyone so what they're
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trying to save people from doesn't exist and that's
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frustrating then jumping over to the Far Cry 4 thing apparently the softpedia
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article um is is not a very good article because
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of misquoting and other kind of stuff like that so if you ignore that the
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Ubisoft Montreal Creator that's that's when they start saying like oh we just
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dialed everything up and it looked amazing um
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um that makes me not necessarily think that the softpedia article was even
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necessarily A misquote I think it was just in the way that they used that I
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guess that's technically misquoting but it's like it's it's still the truth just
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because they quoted it kind of in a weird way doesn't necessarily mean it's
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wrong because they are there's no way you're just like oh yeah we deved
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everything on PC didn't taste anything on consoles ever and then plugged it in
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and it just everything went to Max that's not that's not how that works I
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got to wonder how the devs feel you know
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the ones that actually care about delivering the best product that they
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possibly can that like group of Hardcore guys which are actually super badass and
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made all the settings and stuff for Watch Dogs and then just had them all turned off yeah that's got to suck and
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you got to you got to wonder and they're probably under some sort of agreement so
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they can't say you got to wonder how intentionally gimped the performance
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is then if they were able to enable all that stuff and have it run basically the
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same um I just I just yeah I don't know I've
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had people message me telling me that we shouldn't do benchmarking videos early
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well that's the only way to get views it's one of those things where should
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you review a game early or should you wait till the first patch well if you
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review the game right out of the gate then people will watch your video and if
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you review after the first patch you might have a better gaming experience but but at the same time ship your game
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properly yeah like release your game so that it's
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playable if if we if if we review performance of your game right out of
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the gate that'll give people the benefit when your game performs really well at
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out right out of the gate how it should of having a very good performance review
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from us okay here we go so the mod still works you just have to unpack the files
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and then repack them with the new patch. datat okay so the worst mod still works
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but the patch does disable it and also apparently doesn't fix the stuttering
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issue while driving
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so thanks guys you just made it slightly more
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annoying for no reason yay luckily that's still way
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easier than modding things like it used to be so I don't know that's yeah yeah I
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guess this makes the moding community's job in general easier like imagine how
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quickly they could do those GTA mods if the developer just did all the work and
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someone just had to dig around in the turn it
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on it's kind of like how overclocking has gotten so much easier over the last
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few years you just press the OC button it's going to be like just press the
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like mod button oh yeah these are the PC settings
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we didn't turn on there you go they
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should just be on the launcher there should be like a this is made for PC but
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if you actually want to play it as if you own a PC make sure you click this
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button before you load the game it's just like Okay click thanks fantastic so
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yeah everyone hates Ubie and then there's a bunch of stuff that's been
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going around that didn't get coted up here for some reason but I still have it
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down in the bottom uh where's that TW Twitter thing ubby Tessa oh this is epic
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okay hold on let me let me bring this up because I mean their their PR department
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in their defense I can't imagine that
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they know what to do or what to say at this point but this wasn't
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it yeah so I I was worried that it was edited and then I noticed the picture
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was different so I freaked out a little bit but it looks like it's the same okay
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so here's a tweet from Below in a tweet
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a couple months ago you said watch Do's Graphics were not downgraded do you
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still hold this to be true I recall replying saying that the game was not
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downgraded I still stick to that yes
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wow yikes it's like yeah Tessa this is from
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Ryan Tessa you might want to put your uh foot in your mouth here I don't think
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that that's actually what putting your foot in your mouth means Ryan you did very well though um but basically you
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guys are all over the front page of Reddit I don't envy your PR team right
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now I'm surprised they didn't get them to turn it off to be H I'm surprised
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that they issued a statement at all I'm surprised that they didn't just wait
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quietly for this to be swept under the rug where the hardcores were going to
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remember it and mostly people would forget unfortunately they've added so
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much to the fuel to the fire that again I'm going to bring up total biscuit uh
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but check this out WTF is Watchdogs so the Watchdogs review 850,000 views from
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3 weeks ago the was watchdogs on PC
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handicapped on purpose video from 3 days ago
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520,000 views they are letting this spin out of
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control and they are adding fuel to the fire by denying it publicly instead of
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just addressing it and promising to the
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community to issue an official patch that turns everything back on there
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is no way to fix this at this point other than shut up and that doesn't
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really fix it because lots of people will still be mad or go just go fullon
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look our bad we're sorry which you know
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what that probably would have worked that would have definitely honestly The
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Gaming Community like if you if you shake their hand and Pat them on the
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back a little bit they're usually cool yeah they'll get super pissed and they
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will literally try to murder you but if you're like be
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friendsit there's been attempts well okay um there's there's this quote by
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Sebastian viard I hope I'm saying that correctly Watch Dogs can use three plus
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G of RAM on N NG consoles for graphics
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your PC GPU needs enough vram for Ultra options due to the lack of unified
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memory who is this Sebastian vard oh
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excellent it's like okay then where's
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the I don't know exactly where it is but I just wanted to bring up uh the there
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it is G in okay can you show me where
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that is cuz it's not actually helpful for you to bring things up on your
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screen no it's here that's when I'm highlighting it
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okay there we go so here's the here's the quote from gay Ben here's a little
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quote that everyone in the gaming industry needs to
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remember yeah don't ever ever try to lie
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to the internet because they will catch you they will deconstruct your spin they
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will remember everything you say for eternity it's like yeah yeah they will
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so changing gears um EA has actually
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done a couple of things this week that are looking pretty positive so the
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original poster online tech tips.com is RI or Rafi or Rafi or anyway um and EA
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says they have plans for how they intend to change the way they make games so the
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original article here is from pcgamer.com and this is right from the
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CEO although based on some of Ubisoft
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CEO's statements about the whole Watch Dogs Far Cry 4 nonsense um I don't know
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does does a CEO have more credibility than a
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PR I don't know is he just glorified PR
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hard to say so last year EA was voted worst company in America I think that
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was wasn't that two years ago anyway the point is yeah it's happened a couple of
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times so CEO Andrew Wilson says the new mandate at EA is to ensure its games are
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functional and fun at a much earlier stage in the process than it has in the
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past they want to be more rigorous about ensuring quality control throughout the
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process and they want to be willing to delay A Game's launch when it's
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necessary we have now said that there is
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no alternative if the build is not playable you have to push the schedule
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until it's playable again that's great um another an example
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of this sort of new approach is the beta for the battlefield hard for Battlefield
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Hardline that went live earlier this month and they're saying that they want
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to do earlier betas to get real play testing done at an earlier point in the
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process so that when they game does actually ship they are able to deliver a
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much more polished experience the whole he he says the Hollywood Blockbuster
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mentality of keep all the information to yourself is not something that makes
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sense in today's world we can't keep a secret anyway so we may as well just
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start talking about it there are disadvantages to this approach you look
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at some of the challenges that Chris Roberts's team has had with Star Citizen
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where the kimono is open they're like yeah baby here's all the bugs that we're
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working on in pre Alpha you want to see this crap you want to see this terrible
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code you want to see this unoptimized garbage and you know that turns into
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uncomfortable stories where they'll they'll give us these internal
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Milestones like yeah we really want to have it working for this date and that
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date comes and goes and it's gone it's
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not there yet but then because of that the flak is not as bad that's right just
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be honest with people I had this conversation with another YouTuber a
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little while ago where they made some
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comment about you know whether or not you know sponsorships were okay from a
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particular company and I basically said look I wear my sponsorships on my sleeve
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because the way that I see it if I am upfront with my community about who's
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giving me money and for what and what we're saying then there's nothing to
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hide if everything I tell you guys is the truth and what we're doing and
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everything we're doing is completely above it's up to the viewer to decide
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how they feel about that whereas if I were to try to conceal in some way the
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sponsorships that we have on this show that makes me a lot more uncomfortable
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where if I didn't feel like I was doing something wrong I shouldn't have to hide
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it and anyway so that's sort of that's my my take for my personal business on
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the whole honesty is the best policy thing because if I lied to you guys if I
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said um ASUS doesn't have a relationship
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with us where they sponsor things that we do and that involves an exchange of
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money you guys are going to dig it up at some point yeah pointing at our powered
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by Theus g750 JZ which they're not even you guys are going to dig it up at some
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point and you're going to throw it back in my face and you're right to do
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that period you're right to do that and
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I think the timing for this is kind of awesome because ubisoft's trying to kind
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of like shove some things under the rug and ignoring other things and all the
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kind of stuff and he's like we're going to talk to you guys now good it's do
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it I don't know yeah I mean there's no
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guarantees I mean this is cool um they've added origin game time so this
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is another kind of new thing that they're doing I think they're what are
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they offering two full days of Titanfall for free on PC I mean I I suspect this
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as much of a desperation tactic to resurrect Titanfall as anything else but
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at least it's the right kind of desperation tactic at least they're not
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you know trying to like that whole Fiasco with Microsoft paying game
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streamers to use the Xbox one but then
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not allowing them to talk about it again it all comes down to the same thing be
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honest about your marketing attempts be upfront hey we need people we need
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people to play Titanfall we want to sell this game here try it you know you know
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here's the first this honestly it's a good way to do it and some people have made parallels to the free weekend thing
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on Steam and like that's fine I like that program EA should have taken that I
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hope Ubisoft does as well copying valve is not a bad business Tech no it's not
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they're doing a lot of things correctly and actually you play please God start
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working on copying valve you're bad anyways um this is this is actually a
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really good thing if I didn't own Titanfall I would have actually probably
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downloaded it and tried to play it that's one thing too is being a big AAA
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we sell games for very expensive prices developer having it so that you can try
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these things for free a lot of times is helpful one thing I see with free
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weekends on Steam a lot of the time is that it's an old game Y and it's like 80% off plus a free
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weekend so you can try it and go oh okay I might as well finish this campaign for
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$2 and then you buy it this is kind of
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different because it's Titanfall it's a big fairly new game it's a relatively
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recent game it's not a $9.99 special in you know the summer sale and like it it
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happens you you get these big games and free weekends and stuff too I'm just I'm
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just saying not not all that often so I
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I I don't know I think it's I think it's great I mean I think it's I I I don't
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know that we should applaud it too much because it's not so much a step forward
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as it is retracing the old steps of remember when we used to have demos for
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games yeah yeah yeah do you know how many times I played the Warcraft 2 demo
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campaign and like didn't that come in like PC Gamer or something it was so
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exciting because the the demo had you
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not be able to build Knights or ogres
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but you had to fight one in the final battle partway through one of the levels
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and you were like oh those are cool I want to make those go buy the
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game back when they understood demos it's cool I remember I I used to try and
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get the X original Xbox I almost just
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said Xbox One original Xbox magazines when I had one of those and like you'd
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get the the demo disc for like Mortal Kombat or the demo disc for whatever and
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it was like oh this is so cool I have one level of Mortal Kombat with like
26:57
four characters yeah let's fight for days this is all we have some demos were
27:02
too good the uh the Halo 1 demo allowed
27:05
you to play Blood G multiplayer oh my God which is basically the only map
27:09
anyone ever needed the whole game okay that's
27:14
cool when to hold something back that
27:18
map probably shouldn't have done that although you know whatever if it turns
27:22
into full sales yeah I guess there's that yeah my my dad surprised us with
27:27
our box and Halo so I never needed the demo disc luckily that was cool your
27:31
dad's kind of a badass sometimes he is okay so should we talk about the
27:35
T-Mobile yeah let's move right into T-Mobile test drive so this byon ryuk
27:42
run rukun yeah oh thank you that's
27:46
probably it okay so the original article is from rutters.com so we're going to go
27:50
ahead and pop that open on the page here but basically the big headline here is
27:55
the one week Network test drive where they're letting anyone and their dog
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actually not their dog it has to be one per household ha see how I unless the
28:04
one goes to their dog unless the one goes to the dog a pretty pretty useless
28:09
demo trial but that would be kind of awesome like I like Bol style like dog
28:16
with like Google Glass and like what if you what if you got like a headset thing
28:19
for your dog that had mobile connectivity then you could send it commands through there so you could be
28:25
like come to the living room and if you teach it like what different rooms names
28:28
are if you create that game and then you
28:32
have a demo of it I will play the demo and promptly not buy the
28:36
game dog Commander dog Commander 2014
28:41
edition you know you just know the goat simulator guys are working on this
28:45
already dog Commander dog Commander real
28:49
life 2014 edition upstairs DLC 1499 so
28:52
you can try it for a week and unless you damage the phone this is with an iPhone
28:55
5S unless you damage the phone or you
28:59
what's the other one right fail to return it within the week you will not be charged anything that's pretty
29:04
freaking cool but the big one to me I just signed up for Google Play music so
29:11
the the $10 a month all you can eat service which is just it's amazing cuz
29:15
combined with the Sono system that I just set up um I can just be like I get
29:20
home and I'm like kids music play in the
29:23
living room and my son dances and like it's it's the cutest thing ever that's
29:27
pretty cool it's awesome anyway so T-Mobile is now allowing on popular
29:33
streaming services like Spotify and Pandora you to stream music to your
29:37
phone without that counting towards your data plan how much do I wish that
29:42
T-Mobile was in Canada we say this so much but like seriously please please
29:48
I'm I'm I'm not even on contract right now I just can't pick another vendor
29:51
because they're all horrible so like you
29:54
know there's a there's another new sponsor we have Ting but there they're
29:58
not in Canada either know I know but they're they're pretty cool too because
30:01
I know they are everything's alart and
30:04
anyway you guys are going to hear about it in our upcoming Devil's Canyon video Nick asked me before I knew that they
30:09
were coming on a sponsor he's like what do you think about Ting so I went on
30:12
this like little mini rant about how they're like they're I think they're even a Canadian company they're hosted
30:17
over like Toronto or something our rep is based in Toronto yeah and then but
30:22
they're not in Canada and I like I I went through all this stuff and then he's like oh well that's good cuz
30:27
they're sporing us now and I was like oh well okay cool I'm done with that I
30:32
guess put them on the W show they're not even sponsoring the W show we're just
30:35
giving them a spot because why not anyway T-Mobile's whole thing is if you
30:38
try it we think you're going to love it um they've also got that thing where
30:42
they're incentivizing people to break their contracts by helping pay for that
30:46
um and they're proud of the fact apparently that t- mobile customers use
30:49
69% more data than Verizon customers and
30:53
100% more than AT&T customers it's already cut you off do you remember devil zzz yeah yeah of course he posts
30:59
all the time even on like ncx forums and
31:02
stuff about physics yeah the physics guy know it's his son's Payton's birthday
31:07
okay I just wanted to I had to happy
31:11
physx to your son
31:15
pton okay that's it keep moving speaking
31:18
of physx originally posted by speed rookie on the Forum the original article
31:23
is from Tom's Hardware the word on the street is NVIDIA's gtx8 80 and 880 Ti
31:30
are to be cheaper than the 780 Ti with
31:34
toms's uh by line or whatever the sub headline whatever the Bold thing not all
31:39
rumors should be believed and this is probably a prime example and yeah this
31:43
stems from like some random Forum post somewhere and it's just like and it's
31:48
been making the rounds and I'm going to back up Tom's here because whenever the
31:53
rumors start flying about how much will NVIDIA or AMD's new Gra card cost will
31:59
it be cheaper oh my God it's going to be cheaper will it be more will Intel's new
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CPU be cheaper will it be more the answer is
32:05
no the answer is just no because it's
32:08
going to be the same it's always the same every
32:13
time the one exception was GTX 68 GTX
32:17
680 they blindsided us a little bit in a couple of ways number one was that we
32:21
got a 256bit chip and they called it a high-end GPU number two was that it was
32:25
$100 cheaper than an 80 class GPU tends
32:29
to be so we
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want is um the the rumors are that the
32:37
880 and 880 Ti will be cheaper to manufacture than their predecessor PR
32:43
predecessors um this much could be true especially if the rumor that they'll
32:47
have a 256-bit memory interface are true Al at the same time it might be a
32:51
cheaper to manufacturer but that doesn't necessarily mean that the price is going to come down as they say here okay yeah
32:57
what I'm expecting is that these cards
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might be um you know an improvement in
33:04
performance and design so the of course they're expected to be based on the
33:08
Maxwell architecture so what I would expect based on what we saw with our
33:13
first Maxwell gpus so the 750 Ti is that
33:16
we're going to see dramatic improvements in power consumption we're going to see
33:20
potentially great overclockability we're going to see um better IPC so we might
33:26
get similar performance to the last generation flagships but at a lower cost
33:31
with a narrower memory interface and better costs and if miners were still
33:36
having a crazy Heyday they might be really interested because the 750 Ti was
33:39
a very interesting mining card yeah it was but that's kind of mining's kind of
33:44
yeah you can pick up 290s for like what 250 bucks on eBay now 200 250 bucks like
33:49
sometimes with water block they just like yeah take it oh okay yeah don't
33:55
worry about it bro anyway these are expected to start arriving sort of end
33:58
of 2014 beginning of 2015 but this is all rumors if we knew anything concrete
34:03
we wouldn't be able to say it anyway yep
34:06
speaking of things that we know that are
34:11
concrete this is happening okay I
34:14
thought you were doing this why does it look like that I swear I will murder
34:21
someone that's a lower third yeah it's a lower third but it's like broken and and
34:28
it's not transparent I don't think
34:31
unless ah yes okay well I'm going to fix
34:35
this and then the colors we look
34:40
horrible yeah I don't remember what the things are I think it's like hello
34:43
everyone it's 1970 let's just do like oh
34:47
yes what a Hulk bump up that saturation hold on hold on I got this i got this
34:53
W because that that my friends is how
34:57
crazy awesome this event is going to be this is the first major collaboration
35:02
why do you keep showing off that see thing look how pink it is yes you love
35:08
Firefox we get it actually I'm getting a littleit frustrated with me too it's
35:12
been crashing a lot for me like a lot and there's been other issues anyway so
35:17
um that logs me out of our Forum all the time to stop there's a lot of things
35:21
going on actually all right so anyway Highlanders the first major
35:24
collaboration between Linus Tech tips and Tech Syndicate we will be climbing
35:28
Mount Elbert in Colorado sometime next
35:32
week you guys will get content you're going to get Vlogs you're going to get
35:36
an official video it's going to be fantastic I will be there Logan will be
35:40
there Kane will be there Luke will be there edel will be there Brandon will be
35:44
there Albert of former Tiger Direct affiliation with Logan will be there
35:49
their new guy Jimmy will be there Paul from New Egg will be there Kyle from New
35:53
Egg will be there and Austin Evans hey hey guys we'll be there I'm on
36:00
a mountain freaking everyone hey guys I'm on a mountain I love it oh he's such
36:06
a good guy so it's going to be freaking awesome you guys need to be excite it's
36:11
going to be awesome I want to give a big shout out to our sponsors though we
36:15
couldn't do this event without auss Intel and Corsair they are going to be
36:20
providing the sweet gaming machines that we are going to be using to have the
36:24
world's highest elevation terrestrial land party they are providing the RGB
36:29
keyboards that we are going to be using to play games on a forementioned
36:32
notebooks and of course the whole thing has inel inside because that's how this
36:38
whole thing works without the CPU not a whole lot happens all right moving on to
36:44
our next sponsor this everyone to tweet Austin with hey guys I'm on a mountain
36:50
hey guys I'm on a mountain I just want to see what he does oh I love it okay so
36:54
this is kind of fun I want you guys to do something with me here and that is I
37:00
I get a lot of feedback from people who like Squarespace okay so we'll do a
37:04
quick run through Squarespace fast easy way to build a beautiful website it's
37:08
inexpensive their service is 247 basically they're a great supporter of
37:12
us and what we do and we love them lusm medag group.com runs on Squarespace and
37:17
since we set it up we literally haven't touched it I'm I'm working on building
37:21
my own with no communication to Squarespace that it's actually me really
37:25
yeah it's going great so far okay that's all I really have for you I haven't done
37:29
a ton on it um but everything that I've done is awesome I hope I can I haven't
37:34
tried to get down to like bare code yet but I'm hoping I can at some point
37:37
because there's a few things I want to edit that are a little bit more specific so we get a lot of feedback from our
37:41
viewers that hey lonus thanks for the Squarespace thing it's absolutely
37:44
fantastic but what I want you guys to do is I want you to use # Linus Squarespace
37:50
and I want you to actually tweet your own Squarespace sites now there's more
37:55
to this than just tweet your Squarespace sight at me and we're going to show it
37:59
on the show here because we are going to do that the real trick is actually that
38:05
someone who tweets that hashtag to us anytime in the next couple of weeks so
38:10
we're going to run this again next week is going to win their Squarespace site
38:14
for a year whoa yay that time you were pretending cuz I
38:19
know you knew about this no I didn't really what no one tells me anything I
38:24
had no idea so you can win
38:27
your website to be completely hosted by Squarespace for a full year and anyone
38:33
who creates a trial website and that's free can qualify as well so guys go
38:38
ahead start creating your Squarespace sites and we are going to pick one lucky
38:42
winner we're just going to do a random draw between everyone who submits their
38:45
websites and we will give you your
38:48
website for a year Well Squarespace will give it to you we'll just act as the
38:52
conduit for them giving it to you uh what did I say hash Linus
38:58
Squarespace so you guys want to go ahead and do that and in the meantime I'd love
39:03
for hey look at this already websites I
39:06
created a free website with Squarespace so we've got uh oh no I don't think we
39:10
have any new ones so in the meantime we're going to move on to our ask the
39:14
expert Liv stream which is really no E3
39:18
was last time okay well whatever ask the expert live stream it's coming next week
39:23
we are going to have one of the uh let
39:27
me see actually I can't quite you know what I'm just going to bring up the Forum thread because I think that'll
39:32
work better here this is going to be pretty cool we did this a little while
39:35
ago with one of their uh one of their technical engineer guys on the SSD side
39:39
when they launched the 730 and I don't know if you guys tuned into that live
39:43
stream but it was really really good we got a ton of insight into things like
39:48
like this guy worked with the team that launched the original extreme Edition
39:52
and he was talking about that and just the all these behind the scenes like
39:55
crazy cool things go on so this time we have a product marketing engineer on the
40:00
CPU side of things so you're going to want to go ahead and there we go uh
40:05
check out this thread it's called talk to the product marketing engineer I
40:08
think I had asked Nick to call it um ask the expert but whatever um live chat and
40:13
giveaway you're going to want to tune in we're going to be talking about behind
40:16
the scenes how Intel's Devil's Canyon CPUs came to be and we are going to be
40:21
giving away Two Devil's Canyon CPUs so that's going
40:26
to be pretty freaking sweet so head over to linch tips.com you know what I'll go
40:30
ahead actually if some no I'll do it I'll post this in the twitch chat I can
40:34
never trust other people's links in the twitch chat because people do bad things
40:38
in the twitch chat I love you people but you do bad
40:42
things and there is no point denying it no no there really isn't all right
40:48
hey look at this we have uh the twitch chat is like that friend you have in
40:52
high school that you don't want to tell your parents about cuz they'd be like stop hanging out with bad people but
40:57
love them cuz they're awesome but they they do do those bad look at that we
41:00
have at least one Squarespace site to show you guys so this kind of shows you
41:05
how you can use their templates to create something that's attractive
41:08
looking without spending a whole ton of time on it so here they're using it as a
41:12
showcase for their videos but you can do a Blog you can make a store you can what
41:17
are you even doing or is that too early to I honestly I just wanted to grab the
41:21
URL lucy.com okay so I'm just going to put it somewhere so it doesn't look like
41:26
I'm just camping it and so I'm just going to make my own random thing is it
41:29
going to be uh grad pictures of you cuz I I heard a rumor that those are
41:35
floating around no it won't be grad pictures of
41:39
me did I tell you about that I must have told you are now now people are going to
41:44
look why did you do this you're a
41:47
jerk and that was
41:50
ever not not a known quantity to you
41:54
because this is cuz I teab bagged Yoshi wasn't it all right let's move on to and
42:00
yes by the way let's move on to the big
42:04
lonus Tech tips related news so we're
42:07
not even going to share the screen with this news because it is way too badass
42:12
welcome to the new Linus Tech
42:17
tips.com do you want to do you want to walk can't I I need a browser that works
42:21
for a second are you in Firefox look at I don't know what happened to this
42:25
computer that was like pretty broken oh okay is oh is it a zoom thing no
42:30
there's an ad takeover oh it's it was on Twitter and stuff I was wondering if
42:33
Twitter started pushing ads to people brilliant um apparently okay well
42:37
whatever look look on my screen just walk okay so there's not all
42:41
functionality is already in here yet yeah it says beta yeah throwing that out
42:44
there so I'm going to go through how things are kind of supposed to work so this main big slider where you guys see
42:49
GPU miners crash of 2014 and other things constantly rotates you can pause
42:54
it though and you can manually select next or whatever if you click in the
42:57
black space um that also goes next but
43:01
if you click read more or click on the image that will bring you to the article
43:05
there's some like teaser text that will go under the title so you can see a
43:09
little bit about what the article is about that I've just filled in a couple
43:12
of them right now because I just wanted to get the site live um so basically if
43:16
you click on things oops there's a bit of a bug where it kind
43:20
of apparently does that let's click read
43:24
more oh God oh God okay well this was
43:28
working not that long ago this was working like literally before the show
43:32
started well whatever it's supposed to go to the article why don't we uh why
43:35
don't we click on one of these to get to an article I think it's because so many
43:38
people are hitting it oh so it's going next because that's loading on your your
43:43
computer it's not going to be article because it's lagging so hard that
43:49
actually makes sense see there we go okay so the
43:52
article page has also been revamped the cool thing about this guys is check this
43:57
out so here is where the person who
44:01
posted it in this case it was rafy Rafi whatever um here's where their post goes
44:06
here's where the original Source goes and here is where quotes go it's just a
44:11
stylistic change to what is actually a
44:14
forum thread so the discussion that goes under it can be commented on on the
44:18
front page or the Forum and it all comes together in one thing this is
44:22
essentially just a more stylistic version of browsing the Forum where we
44:26
can feature different topics so like right now it's mostly all stuff from
44:31
Tech news and reviews but there's also stuff from hot deals because we were
44:35
showing the Steam summer sale thing that was posted in hot deals so anything
44:39
that's like a really big deal very topical thing could potentially be
44:44
pushed to the front page and you can see over here there's more places to see
44:48
other headlines we've left some space below the fold where we can put some ad
44:52
placements potentially but in general I mean we're going to be sticking to the
44:57
the Linus tips.com strategy of not inundating people who visit with ads no
45:02
matter who they are so it's great if people choose to become contributors so
45:06
they don't see any ads at all but in general we don't want to a lot of
45:10
websites actually design their website around optimal ad placements we designed
45:15
our website and then we're like wait where can we put
45:19
these uh fig out this slider down here
45:23
works by clicking side to side yeah and the idea is that big main slider will
45:28
eventually be the the newest four topics
45:32
and then the lower slider will be the eight topics after that and there won't
45:35
be any overlap right now it's all overlapping and there's eight total and
45:39
then of course we've got featured videos so we're going to have the latest Linus
45:42
Tech tips video as well as the latest fastest possible video so people can
45:45
check those out we'd be kind of stupid if we didn't try to feature our videos
45:49
on our website and then this feature is one that Luke told me was impossible but
45:54
then it turned out that if I hit him hard enough
45:57
um it's actually can work really well it's like this this cascading layer of
46:01
hitting it's like you hit me and then I flop forward and just go and hit Catman
46:07
and then things happen so basically trending topics is a
46:13
great place to check out whatever's a hot discussion on the Forum right now so
46:17
we've got AMD teasing something we've got uh a troubleshooting thing we've got
46:22
Ubisoft talking about the whole hidden Graphics thing we have the summer sale
46:26
and we've got um just a discussion about what would you guys like to become
46:29
standard in PC Hardware so the algorithm
46:33
behind this is surprisingly simple but
46:36
um it's surprisingly simple but I think it does a great job of bringing some
46:40
really cool feature topics up to the front you just okay we're good um then
46:45
there's featured builds at the bottom I know we've been somewhat semi ignoring
46:48
build logs of the thing for a little while so we're putting it on the front
46:51
page of Linus detective.com yeah and then we we are doing the monthly thing
46:56
um yeah yeah it's be next week I know it's
47:01
like super crazy late but we're still gonna make it this month and then we'll
47:05
be good to go in the future it's gone right now because it doesn't work okay I'll explain it okay so basically guys
47:10
over here you just go to the latest news
47:13
our shows is a drop down that has these broken Graphics we're going to add
47:17
Channel Super Fun we're going to fix those icons all that kind of stuff uh
47:23
this is the main the page will this is the main articles page where you can
47:26
just view whatever were the most recent articles um there's also another view
47:31
here for trending topics we're going to add another thing that's maybe a further
47:35
decay of the most recent topics but that is text so that it can be a little bit
47:39
more dense and then we are going this community link takes you to The Forum
47:44
and we are going to add a little Cog right here that will change your
47:49
default to whichever you prefer lusch
47:52
tips.com homepage or the Forum main page
47:56
so if you are are one of the Forum guys and don't want to see this ever and
48:00
don't care about it you don't have to yeah we're all about choice we think
48:05
it's great we think it's a really cool way to interact with what's going on on
48:09
the Forum but if you totally disagree
48:12
that's cool man don't worry about it or so that that Cog wheel will be
48:16
changeable somewhere else on the Forum as well so if you do it once it's not
48:20
like you can never go back we're going to work on a few things like we've had
48:24
some comments about navigating between the two can be a little bit confusing so
48:27
we're going to work on a few things like that like it's it's definitely beta
48:31
there's definitely still a bunch of things to do but I'm going to try and
48:34
keep the Articles at least pretty recent for now while we're still working on
48:38
things so it's usable um and then once we go Fully live the Articles should be
48:42
rolling because that's going to be the main thing and at some point we're going
48:45
to be uh we're going to be working with the community to have the Articles
48:49
actually be whatever the community pick so we're going to take some whether
48:53
they're appointed or whether they're however it works we're going to take
48:56
some our top contributors and have them start being able to basically push their
49:01
articles to the front page yeah I have a few few people that I kind of think will
49:06
already be on top of that but what we'll we'll see once that actually starts
49:10
becoming so very much by the community for the community uh we think it's
49:13
really cool we hope that you guys do too and uh there you go that's what we've
49:19
been this has been in the works for like
49:22
8 months really long time long time seen
49:25
a lot of iteration yeah the original design got
49:30
completely like completely redone and I think this is a
49:36
good opportunity to give a huge shout out to Catman on the forum for the hours
49:41
of work that he did to help us build this front page um just all the thumbs
49:48
up like if I had more thumbs
49:51
yay these are my hiking boots that I'm breaking in for our uh our hike
49:57
anyway so uh what's our next topic I don't even know do we have more topics
50:01
uh we even cover on this show I I don't
50:05
know we have more topics so we have tons of stuff in Rapid Fire uh Steam Sale and
50:09
we can also talk about all of these things yeah let's talk about the Steam Sale so have have you bought anything no
50:16
I think they're running into a real challenge here you and I were talking
50:19
about this before so why don't you try to work your way through the topic in a
50:23
coherent manner so so steam sales have been going on for a really long long
50:27
time and they I don't think they were coming as fast as they used to yeah
50:32
summer sale was like the big thing and
50:35
now there's like summer sale and winter sale and Friday sale and like every sale
50:41
you could ever possibly imagine so now we get to this summer sale and
50:44
everybody's freaking out and posting gifts that are very old about the summer
50:49
sale which I found kind of applicable to my point that it's it's a lot of the
50:54
same stuff is on sale and actually for a lot of the same sales so a lot of things
50:59
that I'm seeing go up like there might be one or two that are fairly
51:02
interesting but then a lot of them are just like yeah this is this has already
51:06
happened I already have this game because I bought it at this price a year
51:10
ago so I'll take a little bit of my product management experience and sort
51:15
of talk about this one of the biggest challenges is retaining um customer
51:22
excitement so I I worked at NCI for 5 years I was a product manager or
51:26
category manager for about three and a half four of it and um NC's sale
51:32
promotional cycle is every Wednesday night a new weekly sale launches and the
51:38
weekly sale can have CPUs or video cards
51:42
or fans or whatever else and the idea is
51:47
that at least some of those items need to be crazy and enticing because
51:52
otherwise you don't generate that excitement and that buzz and that hype
51:57
that truthfully even online even compared to because in retail you talk
52:02
about a loss leader where the idea is to get the person into the door and sell
52:05
them something else even online getting someone onto the website is a huge part
52:10
of the battle and then if they buy that that CPU that you're discounting below
52:15
cost they they might also buy a motherboard and they might also buy a video card and I mean in the IT industry
52:20
the margins are so slim that that doesn't necessarily help that much but
52:23
the point is that lost leading works and creating excitement helps to build the
52:28
relationship with the customer because they get excited about what you're doing you look at how well valve does that
52:32
they create this this excitement in this basically worship oh god of their
52:38
sale and what happens is that eventually
52:41
you run into a couple of roadblocks number one is that you can only drop
52:44
prices so low before it starts to erode
52:48
the margin and devalue the product to the point where customers aren't willing
52:52
to pay more for it anymore and then you can't support your business that's
52:55
starting to happen that is starting to happen um number two is you run out of
53:00
new interesting things to erode the margin on and as long as there are you
53:06
know Indie devs spitting out games every week or two um that's going to be less
53:11
of an issue for PC gaming than it became for it in the later days of me managing
53:15
that product because what happened was all of a sudden NVIDIA and AMD slowed
53:20
down from new graphics cards every 6 to 9 months to now we're looking at 12 to
53:23
15 to 18 and you can only discount the
53:27
GTX 770 to $299.99 so many times before it stops
53:32
becoming exciting you need before that be starts to become the price that
53:35
people buy it at yes you need new products to Discount okay so that's
53:40
that's uh that's problem number two and then problem number three is that I I
53:46
think I guess that's pretty much it so we we look at this and to reinforce your
53:50
point Sorry problem number three is because of the weekly
53:54
sale Approach at NC we ran into this
53:57
issue where from week to week the complaint was oh it's always the same
54:01
things on sale and we'd kind of go well man what do you want us to do there
54:07
there's no new graphics card it's kind of like when people complain about lonus
54:11
tech tips not having a bunch of motherboard videos and I go man a
54:15
motherboard hasn't been released in six months what do you want me to say I'm
54:18
I'm going to go cover old motherboards yeah that'll work my biggest thing for
54:21
ncx would be like it would be some themed sale and then I'd be like there's
54:26
nothing following this theme but the problem with I get it so so valve is
54:31
running into that frequency increasing margin eroding and not enough new
54:36
products issue but the problem is that you can never
54:40
backpedal I couldn't count the number of times that the product management team
54:45
would get together and devise a new business strategy that wasn't a weekly
54:50
sale and we'd kind of go okay let's do this let's do that we'll do because you
54:54
know what's funny is customers ask for it all the time we want everyday low
54:58
pricing and when you do that when you actually take an entire product line
55:02
look we experimented with it I did it I would take an entire product line and I
55:07
would discount it to the Target margin of a weekly sale item and I would just
55:12
put it up on the website sales go like this it's not exciting you have to
55:18
Discount and you can't stop discounting
55:22
once you've started doing it so you end up in this trap and that is what I I
55:28
guess we were trying to say we feel like is happening with the steam sales they
55:32
they they still have those pull items though that you're talking about like Witcher 2 the enhanced Edition for four
55:37
bucks 80% off that was a huge like I saw people talking about that everywhere but
55:41
then there's also a lot of games on here that are just like yeah man i' it's not
55:46
I've seen at that price like a whole bunch of times so I guess what I'm trying to say is as a product manager
55:51
I'm telling you guys you got to be realistic in terms of your expectations
55:56
valve won't be able to keep it up
55:59
forever I think I think I think they will but it's just it's not going to be
56:03
like the summer sale from like three years ago it's not going to be like it
56:07
was and people will yearn for the old days and what they have to understand is
56:11
that there's no going back to the old days there's no going back to the days
56:15
of Intel and AMD leapfrogging each other every few months with newer higher
56:19
performing more exciting CPUs that's never coming again until maybe I don't
56:24
know Quantum Computing or something like it's it's it's gone for now pum K is
56:28
pretty freaking cool it's the same thing with cell phones you know we're on
56:32
yearlong scheduled release Cycles with
56:35
the big guys with iterative improvements that really aren't bringing a whole lot
56:39
new to the table be prepared to be less excited I think a lot of journalists who
56:44
were disappointed with the Galaxy S5 had unrealistic expectations honestly I
56:49
thought the Galaxy S5 was just fine it didn't blow me away but then neither did
56:52
the S4 because I guess I just don't care that much but they did something that I
56:56
thought were pretty great I thought the fact that they still have a plastic shell but the flex is much less was
57:00
really good I just I had a different set of expectations for the
57:04
S5 yeah speaking of of discounting and
57:07
having room to bring prices down Apple now has a cheaper
57:11
iMac um I think this is interesting for a number of reasons I think it's I think
57:16
it's amazing that Apple gets away with introducing new desktop computers that
57:20
have 1.4 GHz mobile dual core chips in
57:23
them and 500 gig like mechanical hard
57:27
drives for $1,100 I think that's amazing and
57:32
they're basically Geniuses um but this
57:35
is this is the thing you were just talking about they can't go back now they can't they can no longer have a not
57:40
super cheap iMac but at least they've left themselves room to upgrade it they
57:44
can add a quad core they can go SSD and they can put in discret graphics so that
57:48
takes care of the next three generations of incremental improvements to the 212
57:52
in lowend iMac one thing that is surprising to me
57:56
is it looks identical yeah so you can still get the like uh I have an iMac so
58:01
you can still have uh I mean I'm trendy
58:05
our our our viewer base and our Forum
58:08
Community tends to kind of hate on Apple a fair bit but let's be honest guys
58:13
industrial design costs money the same
58:16
people who are drooling over how beautiful the 1 M8 is and talking about
58:20
how great it is and it's you know fantastic that an Android phone has such
58:24
great design are the same people who who are going to call an iPhone
58:27
worthless when that stuff costs
58:31
money having good build quality and good
58:34
industrial design costs money and apple
58:38
does some things right they put great screens on their machines am I going to
58:42
buy one no because I know where to buy a good screen that doesn't come attached
58:46
to an Apple computer but for a mainstream User it's not a terrible
58:50
choice and it's nice to see them delivering something that I think fits
58:53
really nicely into a niche I think someone like my dad would be just as
58:59
suit this would be just as suitable for him plus an SSD because I think everyone
59:03
needs an SSD someone like my dad could use this computer and it would be just
59:07
as adequate for his needs as a $3,000 gaming rig with the other argument being
59:12
that you could also build a $500 PC that would work for it as well so there's
59:16
that Different Strokes for different folks speaking of Strokes uh hard drives
59:19
you can Short Stroke them and we didn't Short Stroke it but we did take a hard
59:23
drive and test it against an SSD oh that was I was like what is this segue the
59:28
worst Segway ever it worked though we got there we got there we did make it
59:32
it's all about getting there that's what she said anyway so unlike every other
59:37
SSD versus hard drive test that I've ever seen where they take a completely
59:43
sterile brand new OS put the latest
59:46
drivers update all the Windows updates
59:49
put on their benchmarking applications and then test an SSD versus a hard drive
59:53
and you'll see metrics like oh the SSD took 11 seconds to boot and the hard
59:57
drive took 16 seconds and the the people
60:00
who don't get it the people who don't understand the value of an SSD look at
60:06
that and go yeah it's okay I can wait 5
60:10
seconds I like that I like I mean spread
60:13
out lean back I even saw some comments on our ad SSD upgrade zombie video where
60:18
people are like yeah um ssds are still stupid because um hard drives have 130
60:23
megabytes per second and ssds are only this much and it doesn't work that way
60:27
okay so but the problem seems to be in the way that we benchmarked them so we
60:33
decided to take a realworld like broken
60:38
OS hard drive like one that's had its operating system running on it for five
60:41
years got all kinds of crap running in the background is full it has like a
60:47
bunch of was full was full I guess not full anymore but basically has had
60:52
different boot loaders on it like like a few of them has had virus
60:57
REM the way that a computer get used and
61:00
then we ran we cloned that exact OS over to an SSD so we're showing the worst
61:05
case most broken scenario for both and we tested them head-to-head and you guys
61:10
are going to be wanting to check out the results that's going to come out uh
61:14
sometime when is that video coming out it's fully ready is it ready okay so
61:18
it's probably going to come out sometime this weekend or early next week so stay
61:21
tuned for that guys uh I think it'll be early next week it's not edited yet it's
61:25
like it's the all the that'll be next week the graphs are done all the footage
61:29
is shot I think it's going to be the video to show the people who don't
61:34
understand the value of an SSD someone in chat is SSD is just a
61:38
number no it is not actually it isn't this time it is actually
61:44
not oh man uh where was that other thing the VR
61:49
fan let's talk about the VR fan okay I
61:52
have to confess I didn't read this okay so you're on point oh dang I was gonna
61:57
try and get you I because I I got this but I was gonna try and get you like
62:01
what are your immediate thoughts upon seeing it okay I I did look at it a
62:05
little bit so the idea is that it's going to blow air at you in order to make things more immersive right I think
62:09
it's okay what do you think I think
62:12
about it I think that you probably think it's amazing nope really I'm actually
62:17
totally on your side oh okay and I've I've surprised like almost everyone with
62:21
that so far but I like at at E3 everyone
62:24
saw me freak out over control VR and I once saw my point about how for VR to
62:29
become amazing we need to immerse all senses yeah and that got quoted a few
62:33
times and I still stand by that but we don't need to be worrying about like
62:38
wind Force at this point in the game
62:41
with some like random little tiny fan which is probably not going to feel like
62:45
it actually is anyways for certain specialty like very specific that bird
62:51
thing like the bird thing where the fan was adaptively making you feel like you
62:55
were rushing through the air okay but it's not the kind of thing that I'm
62:59
going okay and if it's just a desk fan that sits on my desk and is just a desk
63:03
fan except when I'm like okay I'm firing up the Oculus it's still dumb cuz you need it
63:09
you need it to be like like for the bird thing when he was flying the whole fan
63:14
physically moved yes so this thing isn't going to work unless you like okay this
63:18
is where the fan is so my head goes here because like it's going to
63:24
it's going to have to be positioned perfectly so unless you're like strapping it onto this huge rig that
63:29
you're building anyways for the the one
63:32
game that it's applicable for I'm not really sure and I would I just like it's
63:36
cool that this guy made this but I I don't necessarily think it's good enough
63:39
or ready yet for one um and it's it's
63:43
I'm more worried about stuff like full body motion capture yeah which is like a
63:48
way bigger deal than the wind I don't know I mean I to me it
63:53
feels like um I hope Devil's Z is watching to me it feels kind of like um
63:58
especially early implementations of FX
64:01
where it's it's a nice to have not a need to have like like especially like
64:05
remember games like gr right where the
64:08
fizx implementation was like crumpled
64:12
paper and 10 cans on the ground oh wrecked right where it's just like okay
64:16
so that's there I totally don't care and this is totally stupid this fan is not
64:21
going to be an integral part of any game play in the next 10 years you can quote
64:27
me on that well the bird simulator thing
64:30
that's not gameplay that's a
64:35
simulation slightly different actually but still within the same category I
64:39
suppose okay that fan will not be part
64:42
of the game play and that's that's another thing
64:46
like it has these nice cool specifics in terms of speed and stuff like that but
64:50
it's probably immersive enough just to shove a fan in and I said integral part
64:53
of gameplay like you look at how long like physx where NVIDIA has throughout
64:59
the entirety of physx History had 60
65:03
plus% market share on the desktop PC
65:06
okay cards that support fizx are out there and yet we still don't have physx
65:12
as an integral part of any game play
65:15
with the exception of like cell factor
65:19
which was never a thing it was a tech demo couldn't you like kick cans and
65:24
stuff wasn't that like a big part of the game so with the 16 people who own this
65:28
fan are we expecting a real game developer to build in support the answer
65:32
is no uh apparently yeah to integral
65:36
part of gameplay yeah y y y so there you go I don't I just
65:41
yeah I uh it's it's it's a cool idea but
65:45
like he's he's not getting funded because of everything that you just said
65:49
um and maybe he does eventually get funded and I hope like someone picks him
65:53
up because that would be cool cuz they're doing interesting programming
65:57
stuff at the same time and if someone Picks Them Up and makes a way better
66:01
version that would be really cool if someone picks them up and integrates it
66:04
with another piece of VR Hardware like maybe
66:08
Omni gets like a ring of them so that as
66:11
you're walking around they could all work dynamically because you're able to
66:15
plug them in together okay by the time we're building solutions that are
66:18
Advanced enough for that like like how you and I were talking about how the
66:21
arcade no that's what I mean though have to be something something way more
66:26
advanced than this yeah yeah yeah I wasn't really listening was that what you were saying basically good job yeah
66:31
okay I was I was making a straw pull cuz you can already string them together so
66:35
you can plug them together and then they can work together to create the experience you can already do that so it
66:39
probably doesn't work that great though so if someone else what I'm saying is if someone else picks them up and then
66:44
integrates their fan solution into a much bigger product and then is able to
66:48
have them all strung together and make it so that like like an arcade or something that could be really really
66:51
cool all right I have a straw pole for you guys
66:56
I'm evaluating options right now we we don't necessarily
67:01
know um what form this would take but
67:04
I'd just like for you guys to tell me would you consider for your rig for your
67:09
for your gaming PC buying a lonus tech tips color schemed fan so it would just
67:14
be black and orange and it would be about 20 bucks potentially and I can't
67:19
give any more details it's something that I've wanted to do for a long time
67:23
uh we were looking for the partner sorry it's a high quality we can say it's a
67:26
high quality fan well we don't have the fan nailed down just yet so I've been
67:30
trying to do this for a long time and basically what I want to know is do you
67:33
guys even think it's worth the effort um because to put it to put this in
67:38
perspective to to buy fans like I would
67:41
have to buy them I would have to buy thousands so unless there are like
67:46
hundreds of you who are like yes I'll buy one or I'll buy two or I'll buy five
67:51
this can't happen so I I need to get some idea if you guys think that this is
67:56
uh this is something that's worth doing and you can feel free to uh to tweet
68:00
that at us as well we'll do a bit of a Twitter Blitz about this if you guys want to go ahead and uh
68:06
and tweet tweet us sounds dirty tweet
68:10
dirty to me and all the tweets were not related to the F oh wow
68:18
that's interesting speaking of tweets that are not related to anything what
68:23
the heck is this I don't know
68:29
um I don't know wow um live live shopping us on the
68:36
stream needs to not be a
68:40
thing someone says please invest in a
68:44
lapel mic that Explorer 3 review was
68:47
hard to watch with audio like that what's what exp what's the Explorer 3 I
68:50
have no idea is Alex Hardy confusing us with
68:55
with somebody else Explorer
68:58
3 I can't even think what that if that was a type of what that could be yeah
69:04
Explorer three anyway we have a lapel mic uh we did do a video recently where
69:09
we didn't use our lav and it was because these guys took it to a trade show so oh
69:13
basically deal with it um that's all I really have to say yeah I don't I don't
69:19
think so no explor three yeah no anyway uh
69:23
let's move on so people are saying maybe he meant E3
69:28
sure but I don't know people are saying they have brand preferences people are
69:33
saying they want LEDs I can tell you right now it probably won't be LEDs and
69:37
I can tell you right now they won't be cheaper than $20 um I'd buy a fan I'll buy Six I
69:43
would buy them if they were high quality and get my PC cool my build is black and
69:46
orange I'm down I'd make all my fans lus
69:49
Edition okay so people are uh people are
69:53
saying sort of yes um I'm getting advice
69:56
don't invest tens of thousands of dollars in fans lonus if I didn't invest
70:01
tens of thousands of dollars in my fans
70:04
where would you all be not fans of anything we do
70:10
potentially or maybe you would maybe I could have done all of this without
70:14
hiring people and buying a bunch of equipment and stuff I'm going back to
70:17
PewDiePie's approach actually that's something that I meant to talk about on
70:21
the show this week is news broke there was a Forbes article about how PewDiePie
70:25
makes $4 million a year or at least did last year I can tell you right now if it
70:29
was 4 million last year it's a lot more than that this year um and there's a
70:33
there's a whole bunch of stuff going on I mean uh puds himself has come out and
70:38
said that that might be something of an exaggeration um although I so call BS on
70:44
that because I know how much money we make I know how many views we get I know
70:52
what a typical CPM is I know all of these metrics and that sounds about
70:56
right so and like don't even just look at subscribers look at how many views
71:00
and how many videos he pumps out and there's there are a lot of
71:03
misconceptions um and and you look at how many videos he pumps out and also
71:06
the fact that it's basically pure profit because he doesn't really have a team of
71:11
people um or really any overhead it's it's streaming at a computer like he's
71:16
shown what his game streaming setup looks like it's nothing really special
71:19
there's lots of games but yeah aside from that um I mean I'm not I'm not
71:24
going to be one of those guys that goes he doesn't deserve it because the
71:27
reality of it is the way the world works
71:31
is the people who figure something out and are clever enough to figure it out
71:35
really well and be the best at something be number one at anything are going to
71:40
be rewarded I'm not the number one YouTuber so I'm not going to get that
71:45
massive enormous reward and I'm okay with that I'm not going to be all you
71:48
know butt hurt oh he makes so much money I'm so unhappy um you know I I say I say
71:53
good for him and people people are the the other people on the other side are
71:57
pointing out that he has done uh charitable donations and you know raised
72:01
money for worthy causes and all that stuff and you know I think that's great
72:04
too I also don't think it necessarily you know validates if people make a ton
72:09
of money and then they also raise money for charity I don't think that that I I
72:14
don't think that should make people less upset about the disparity between the
72:18
extremely wealthy and the extremely not wealthy um I just think it is what it is
72:23
and um that number looks pretty realistic to me
72:28
I I also wanted to dispel some myths so there are people out there who think
72:32
that um you know Google AdSense on YouTube videos is like massive massive
72:37
amounts of money um to put the to put things in perspective lineus Media Group
72:42
if it relied strictly on Google AdSense
72:45
I could pay each of the people here uh
72:49
about $20,000 a year after their taxes and uh
72:55
and after like Employment Insurance that's below minimum wage Pion pay yes
73:00
yeah yeah that's well below minimum wage and we all work like massive overtime
73:04
and we all work really hard I prefer the term really hard we work really hard
73:08
gratuitous amounts of overtime I didn't stop working last night until like 2
73:12
a.m. the point is that that's not the way it works however if you do get those
73:17
kinds of viewership numbers where you look at it and I think his view his
73:21
numbers are like ridiculous like an order of magnitude and more higher than
73:26
ours then it starts to add up especially if you don't have a ton of overhead
73:30
another of the misconceptions that I encountered was that YouTubers get paid
73:34
for subscribers YouTubers get paid exactly zero dollars for having a lot of
73:39
subscribers the fact that I have $850,000 subscribers on a channel means
73:43
nothing to Google nothing in terms of money it might mean something in terms
73:48
of the inherent value of having someone
73:51
who clicked and said yes I would like to hear from you when you some new content
73:56
there there's a value there but it doesn't translate into money at all uh
74:00
the money comes from the actual views so if you want to figure out how much a
74:04
YouTuber is making relative to another YouTuber then you would look at views
74:09
not at subscribers you could have a million subscribers and not be getting a
74:12
ton of views like um someone like Peter
74:16
chow and the revenue is probably not as strong there unless you know he's doing
74:21
um really lucrative brand Integrations or things like that so that's how
74:26
YouTubers are making the big bucks is doing things like um Devon super tramps
74:32
Watchdogs uh Parkour in Real Life or whatever thing there's no way that
74:36
Ubisoft didn't pay enormous buckets of money for that for example YouTube the
74:42
like couple million views on YouTube were not going to be worth the effort of making that video some people started
74:46
freaking out that our our minimum wage is so high just don't forget cost of
74:51
living expense yeah Vancouver is an extremely expensive place place to live
74:55
where we live has the 10 most expensive places to buy gas in all of North
74:59
America so yeah it's kind of
75:04
expensive food's expensive hous expensive and Foods houses isn't
75:08
Vancouver also one of the most expensive I think it's like number two most
75:12
expensive I think it's like after San Fran yeah something like that yeah it's
75:17
ridiculous ludicrous it's expensive okay um well I I guess I'll show the results
75:23
of the straw pole there so so looks like there are at least hundreds of you who
75:27
would be interested in a black and orange Linus Tech tips themed fan for
75:30
for 20 bucks um I'm still working on it I really hope that that's something that
75:34
we can do it's nice of you guys to you know give me your your feedback here I
75:39
really appreciate that I'm going to try and do it um and even if people don't
75:43
buy them then that's that's great but um we can make forts out of them yeah we
75:47
could we could make forts we could make a fan
75:50
Throne fan Throne we have to make a fan
75:56
Throne sometimes I just hate you we should try to make a Channel Super Fun
76:00
out of trying to make a quad copter out of not even a
76:04
quadcopter not even anything infin opter I think we're done here guys um uh what
76:10
what are your plans after the show I'm doing an Afterparty and I have no plans
76:13
tonight so I'm doing an Afterparty for like are you playing Mario Kart cuz I
76:17
want to play some Mario Kart you want to come play Mario Kart go down and play Mario Kart let's go down and play Mario
76:20
let's go down and play some Mario Kart all right badass all right guys peace
76:23
out thanks for watching the show we'll see you again same bad time same bad
76:26
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pretty good chance of winning those CP why is that in the
76:57
way look at him clench he's dead are we
77:01
ready to do this I actually love that bro fast I love it too the zoom
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in
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NOP my singing isn't even it's like not even close I don't even care