WE DID IT! NVIDIA GPP IS DEAD! - WAN Show May.4 2018
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·Linus Tech Tips
·2019-05-06
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yes hey and uh welcome to the show this is
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the lan show the lan show that is or the the gnaw the na show nah nah
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what news and analysis weekly news analysis weekly baby it actually totally
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works nah
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it kind of does that's a w that wins yeah yeah all right went show welcome to
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it we're doing some new stuff there's the gpp is no longer a thing news which
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i'm sure every single person in the tech community is going to be talking about a
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lot boom because there's not a ton else going on so you know we'll we'll take
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whatever we can feels like a win too but who actually knows we're going to get
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into that also t-mobile and sprint are trying to
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trying to become one again hug each other a little bit more than they did in
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the past you know they tried it before yeah they're trying again yeah also dram
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price fixing we've all kind of known it's been kind of ridiculous for a while
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it's weird how expensive this stuff is so when you're pricing out a computer
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and then you're like whoa that was unexpected anyways i'm looking
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at the analytics lately it's bad it's bad yeah that plus
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facebook stuff yeah all that more on the nashow oh
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on the notch i'm chomping at the bit here
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who thought of that clinch thing i don't know ed technically
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that's hilarious originally we were gonna have a new one
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of these like every week and then i think we made one and then never again
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yeah obviously that's that plan which one's you there fresh books
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the one in the blue sweater because i used to always wear that same sweater
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the shorter one
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i appreciate your stuff
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yeah squarespace thank you very much uh my hair changes depending on the
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season what season are you a redhead weird oh my
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only in vegas baby
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ginger luke oh that would be great didn't it be it uh we're going to start
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off the show with a folding and buoyant community shout out we have one of those
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things yeah i didn't even know what it was oh i
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had no idea like i heard i've heard of distributed oh i thought you just didn't
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know what our team was i had no idea what the folding thing was i got a
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message from one of the members of the our folding team who was like can you
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give us a shout out and i was like what are you what is folding slash boink
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what and then i was checking it out i was like oh this is amazing i want to do
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this i think i might set it up yeah so we have a community on the forum
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dedicated to folding and blink folding and but boink is more like
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boint can be a lot of things i know what that is it's friday baby
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uh bowling at home is a distributed computing project for disease research
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that simulates protein folding which is why it's called folding at home because
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you're folding proteins digitally at home
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and computational drug design and other types of molecular dynamics it's this
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really cool thing and boink can do stuff similar to that or sort of not and this
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kind of research takes a lot of computing power so that's why it's distributed so you can help out and
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actually chip away at cancer research or alzheimer's research just by using your
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spare compute cycles on your piece of crap pc that's in your storage room like
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i plan to do or you know those mining machines you don't
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say you could you could repurpose those to helping cancer if you uh wanted to or
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you could not you know whatever whatever folds your boat
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are there foldable boats sensible chuckles uh well
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if you deflate a boat and then you fold it into the shape of a protein
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anyways moving on to wait a second these guys all right these people on the
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folding team yes you can do this at any point right like you can turn on you can
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yeah but they also do these like like bursts yeah do these weeks where
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they all try really hard to con to devote as much of their computing power
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as they can to do it and sometimes it'll be like a competition kind of set up
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where there's like leaderboards for how different teams are doing yeah yeah so
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they'll be like oh like who can make the most this week or whatever and we're
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like in the top 20. we do we do pretty good and i've contributed nothing to
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this let's get it
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let's get it speaking of uh getting something
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no longer are you going to get NVIDIA
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gpp oh i thought you were gonna say like get
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screwed by gpp oh you might you might still get screwed by gpp okay so just to
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catch up the people who don't know what the NVIDIA GeForce
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partner program was it was basically like
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if you're a partner of NVIDIA like you're eight oh no this guy what are
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your thoughts quick before you go we won victory is ours you're behind the mic
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congratulations are in order we did we did win but again back to what it
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actually is in case you didn't know yeah oh the entire press got together
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and made this thing not a thing yeah have you read their their oh it's
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terrible terrible yeah anyways he doesn't get to talk about it we do so
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continue let's say you are ASUS and you're you
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sign up for the NVIDIA gpp
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if if you wanted to sell
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an NVIDIA graphics card um
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with your special like rog branding because you're ASUS yeah you couldn't
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sell any other graphics cards with that branding i don't think that the it stipulates
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that like hey your existing branding rog you've got to use that for NVIDIA i
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think it's up to ASUS to decide what branding they use in theory they could
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have been like you know what NVIDIA we're going to use our awesome rog
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branding on the Radeon cards and we're going to make new branding for you that
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would so from a company's perspective though that would generally be bad uh
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because the majority of the market is NVIDIA purchasers exactly you want to
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use your stronger brand for that because you'll make more money exactly so
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they're totally cutting out and this mindshare really matters right
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because what they're forcing and what did actually occur when this
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program rolled out is that you've got to make new product lines new you've got to
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fork your brand basically so they made ares uh they this comes at a
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considerable expense by the way oh yeah they've got a branding marketing they've
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got to design it they've got to iterate on that then they've got to
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actually print boxes get these boxes on the shelves and presumably at this point
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these companies have already done all of that so now the partner program is
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cancelled everybody's wondering if aries is going to continue to be a thing or if
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they're just going to switch back because on the one hand they have the sunk cost on the other hand
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that brand means nothing to anybody yet yeah so it's better to lean on your
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existing brand what we don't know is if NVIDIA has remunerated these companies
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like let's say you sunk billion or millions on rebranding or at least
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hundreds of thousands is NVIDIA like did the lawyers set up
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anything for this particular case where NVIDIA is gonna be like okay
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so you guys probably didn't hear that what happened
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was it the teleprompter class i would go help him
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are you all right dennis is dead everyone so a glass fell
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and shattered into a lot of pieces as we were able to hear from here i guess yeah
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you guys definitely can hear that we just heard shattering and then dennis going no oh yeah it was very audible
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yeah anyways sorry we're going to continue here but yeah it's it's unclear this
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time whether brands are going to survive uh not not as in like whether ASUS will
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survive but it's unclear whether or not aries will survive whether or not NVIDIA
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will be compensating these brands for the work that they did related to gpp um
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i i in the like who knows how accurate it was
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leaks that we got i didn't see any provisions for that because i don't think NVIDIA was expecting to have to
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pull back out um but i guess we didn't see the other side of the agreement
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either well it would have been what those particular companies lawyers
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came up with exactly so we didn't see the other side it wouldn't be in the original tof
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another interesting thing was how they framed the their cancellation so we
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learned about it through a blog post that NVIDIA yeah and they did not they didn't like
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facebook it they didn't go on an apology tour they didn't own what they did oh no
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instead they're like they framed it thusly you know
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there's all these rumors and conjecture and myths mistruths around about the
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NVIDIA gpp so rather than spending our
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energy battling any of this battling misinformation
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we're just gonna cancel the program so we can focus on what's important like
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building the new technology like as if the gpp and all the backlash was like
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draining their resources if all the technical people were quick
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working on marketing yeah like the engineers were like i can't focus because everyone hates us this is a pr
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nightmare this is so brutal
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oh they didn't yeah it's that that part is so brutal because a lot of the reason
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why this has all come to light was because of people i don't remember his
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name right now but from the the guy from heart ocp
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that that like pushed all this kind of stuff and the rest of the media not just
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us at all we we probably had a relatively small involvement because i
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think we just talked about it during when there's other creators that have made dedicated videos and all this kind
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of stuff when when oh the na show oh yeah sorry about that yeah a lot of
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confusion around the name uh but there's been a lot of rebrands
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each week we have half an hour for when half an hour from now sorry um yeah so
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it's just all this stuff was brought to light
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there was basically nothing from NVIDIA explaining what was going on they
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they're complaining of getting all the rumors conjecture mistruths
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go far beyond its intent well maybe better explain its intent i know there
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was one post talking about it but it was so whimsical and didn't properly go
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through what's actually happening yes total bs they keep focusing on the fact
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that this is all about transparency for the consumer so the
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consumer knows what they're buying they know that they're getting an NVIDIA card
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and that's the best thing you can get and they want to make sure and it's very obvious and transparent on the packaging
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that that's what they're getting if that's what it's about then why even
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rely on these other brands like rog why don't you just stipulate that they have
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a big fat green banner that says NVIDIA on it if it's really just about
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obviously branding they kind of do like i've never i've heard a lot of
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complaints from new system builders i've helped a lot of people get into building
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their computers and one of my big things when i would help friends or family or
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whoever build a computer was always that i'll be there as like the guiding hand
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but i want them to do it yeah i want them to pick the parts i would want them
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to build the computer but i could help them with anything and answer whatever
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questions et cetera eating snacks yeah
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getting free pop because they would supply supplies for the uh is there
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gonna be chips and pop that i'm in my hands will be too crummy to help you
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there's one buddy of mine that i've built two computers for and every time we do he brings a case of vanilla coke
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i like this deal it's worked out quite well um but it's
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i've never had a single person be like i don't understand
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i'm buying rog why is it a AMD thing or whatever like i've never
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had that confusion everyone seems to get it
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so all this hubbub over that seems unlikely
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it feels like they just wanted to muscle them out of the good brands yeah exactly
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they know that their market position is such that they're going to be the ones awarded the rog the incumbent existing
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branding and that AMD is going to be the ones suffering
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under the new branding so nice try NVIDIA
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yeah some evan 33 uh is is spamming contrast
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in the chat so much that i'm super surprised that he's not banned from the
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chat by the bot yet um i don't know if he's talking about contrast in terms of
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like what this picture look looks like or if he's talking about between the
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boxes but in my experience it's pretty it's this probably isn't even what he's
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talking about but in my experience it's pretty easy to differentiate between which one is an NVIDIA card which one is
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an AMD card no he's definitely talking about the visuals of this
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yeah this video feed but we don't care yeah man we're gonna make it about
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graphics cards it's intentional dude this is the new style yeah
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low or high contrast or whatever the opposite of whatever you're complaining
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about that's what you want we don't understand it but whatever
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uh so yeah i'm not like and i know that a lot of people at
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NVIDIA and i'm sure they're paying attention to a lot of the press stuff
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around this so they might see this section of the show at some point in
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time guys you got to figure out your public communication you make great
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graphics cards you have the market share the giant market share i know you're
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very happy about that but people are kind of pissed off and i know it's very
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easy for the community i know you guys know this it's very easy for the community to go after the company that
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has the lions market share the lion's share of the market it's it's
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very easy for that to happen that's definitely a non-insignificant amount of
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what's going on but especially around gpp the communication was bad
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you have to understand that communication was bad and this didn't help
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with everyone needing to dive in and dig and glean and
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fight for every little tiny bit of information that they could and for you
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to come back at it by saying oh yeah
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there's so many rumors conjecture mistruths are going around everywhere
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clarify better that's on you man
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and i know like it got leaked or whatever and that sucks as a company i
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completely understand that that's super frustrating but at that point in time
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throwing at other people for that is not gonna help you
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to try to win everyone else onto your side you need to be open to the
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community and try to explain what was going on in a not so whimsical and were
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just fairies on the breeze kind of way because that's obviously not what's
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going on give me your opinion on this part a lot of people think that
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them canceling the program doesn't really amount to much because the damage
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is already done there's some there's sunk costs
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there's these new brands
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like back alley or what do you call them back alley deals back-end deals back-end
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back-end deals could continue to exist right now
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just not publicly even name it something else
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whatever yeah um because a lot of these big players they
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sign these agreements so they might just carry forward with them
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yeah we'll have to we'll have to see how it goes um
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we'll we'll have to pay close attention to aries i guess specifically
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see what ASUS does with that maybe see how ASUS communicates
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around it i just
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yeah this line of communication was very
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in my opinion sassy
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seriously though it was it was sassy and it was just it was not what are you
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talking about their blog post the cancellation blog post a little sassy
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yeah and it's it's like yes the community wanted
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gbp to be pulled but i think even more than that at the core i think people
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wanted to know what the heck was going on um and i don't think anyone got that
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because now it's just gone and we still don't even really know
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what it like actually was what the actual rules were we're being told that
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everything that we knew was rumors conjecture mistruths
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so we didn't know anything then so what's the truth we still don't know
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they're saying like oh it was just to like make things more clear okay but we
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need more like we have a someone showing us like basically a contract in very
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clear terms and then you're being like everyone's just supposed to be happy
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okay and it doesn't work by the way thank you ivan that in no way
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makes it more clear for everybody that makes it way way way harder to buy a
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graphics card if i rock up and there's like okay there's gaming there's rs
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there's rog there's all that times two
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for each different one that's way harder that's way harder
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to figure out the tier of the graphics card i guess
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because none of those words are like really mean anything no
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yeah it'd be way better if they if i think
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it'd be better a better business case for them just to say hey a giant banner
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that says NVIDIA gtx 1070. well okay
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like that's what that's people want right let's uh i'm gonna get to the page first
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but let's go to amazon.com no
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let's go to newegg
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i switched because of like purchase history and related items and stuff
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okay did you get a veiny vic don't worry about it boy uh let's go to luke's
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screen what is that now spoiled
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okay NVIDIA search
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i guess you don't even see boxes
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well i mean the name already has and like everything has g-force in it
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GeForce gtx the branding is there so that's like the
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text equivalent of the like put the banner because that's right at the
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beginning of all of them well that's another point as as to why this gpp
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didn't even need to exist because it's already it's already in the name
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so i don't buy this whole transparency angle
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yeah i don't buy it i wish they would just own it hey we
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tried to make a lot of money we tried to make more money we got caught it wasn't
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you could even be like we thought this was a good idea clearly everyone didn't
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working a bit yeah i would buy companies do that yeah you should have shut down
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all your stores for an afternoon and had some kind of training for all your employees
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that's how you signal to the populace
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man okay anyways i think we've uh beat this topic down and uh left it in a
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ditch so we can move on to the t-mobile slash
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sprint merger so you know more about this than i do but they've tried to do
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this before i know nothing about it um i know i know was it the
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ftc that blocked it in the past yeah
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this is all ft ftc stuff so i believe the ftc was like
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we think there's room for four players so no
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yes that's correct so that would have been under the obama administration and
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they thought okay there's the market in the u.s could support four major
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cellular provider services or companies so they thought more is better so it's
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more competition so we're not going to let you guys merge
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that was then things have changed not only is it just a change of
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administration and they think that the trump administration will be more
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favorable to this merger a lot of it has to do with 5g actually
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and the us and the and the administration is very serious about 5g
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yeah remember that it was trump like
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i don't know we want to say unilaterally but he he did that little signal we
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should have one more little signature thingy to
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say that broadcom and qualcomm shouldn't merge right and there's like rationale
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for that is like qualcomm is instrumental in advancing 5g
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and there's a big global race to be the country that pioneers 5g the most right
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now and china and south korea are winning and the us wants to win because
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you get lots of benefits from pioneering the technology and the standards lots of
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job creation ip it was really good for the us to have
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developed 4g and they want to keep that going
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and there i think that with this
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the new merged company will have a greater ability to pioneer 5g
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it's it's i think there's an opportunity for t-mobile and sprint to make a really
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cool name when they merge mobile sprint that's a little motion
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here but they're just going to be called t-mobile still missed options oh okay
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missed opportunity so they're merging but essentially t-mobile is taking over
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sprint is that kind of the deal and if they're just being called t-mobile i don't think
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the name like i don't necessarily think just because the name is still t-mobile
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that indicates that they're the big winners but i don't know maybe i think
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public eye might come across that way even if it's not actually that way
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because everyone's calling it t-mobile now
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well i don't know enough about it i can't
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well it's they're not they've just said that they're committed to merging they plan to merge but it's not up to them
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they still have to the courts still need to approve this
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yeah and that's going to take a couple months i think um
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even though i'm not from the states i generally like t-mobile
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i've liked how they've done a lot of their campaigns i like the kind of moves
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that they've done in the market over the last while so
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sounds cool here's a theoretical question
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every good capitalist likes competition right yeah my question is does more
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players mean more competition not necessarily because
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right now you've got four t-mobile and sprint are numbers three
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and four yeah they're way smaller at t
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and verizon should they merge they'll be about the
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same size so do you do you think they actually have more of an ability is
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there more competition when there's three equally sized players
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then i kind of think probably maybe because i think where the market
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probably needs more competition is with the big guys so i would rather there be
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a fight between three big giants and
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please no less than three
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because we have enough of that problem in our in our own space with AMD and
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Intel um and AMD and uh NVIDIA but so
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please no less than three but i like the idea of taking three and four and making
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them an actual product like a real yeah exactly against the other two big guys
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that seems like a good idea to me and even if you can make a fourth as long as
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all four are the same kind of size when you have four and you have two kind of
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smaller ones and two kind of bigger ones there is good competition there because
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there is competition for the smaller markets and competition for the bigger markets but i don't feel like t-mobile
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and sprint are going to abandon their places sure so i think it'll be
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okay they'll have more funds to move up market though yeah
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speaking of collusion because three-player oligopolies suck
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dram price fixing yeah good call
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so the law firm hegen's berman
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has filed a class-action lawsuit against samsung micron and hynix i love how
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every law firm is so obviously a law firm just by the name
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i wish that was one person's full name that'd be awesome two there's a lot
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of people with two first names but not enough with two last names
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so according to the firm's investigation the three dram manufacturers conspired
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to limit the supply of dram chips between 2016 and 2017 with the purpose
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of course of inflating their prices and we've all seen that happen dram saw a 47
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price increase during 2017 the largest jump ever in the last 30 years and
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probably ever because before 30 years ago
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they probably had a b and c RAM but like oh yeah that's ancient stuff
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so the complaint has been put forward on behalf of anyone who in the u.s
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purchased something containing dram
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from one of these three companies from july 1st 2016 through february 1st 2018.
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the suit claims that after a global decline in the price of
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RAM chips the three companies began in june of 2016 to deliberately limit their
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output of dram storage chips
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but did they have to if they're okay if they're colluding and they want the
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prices to go up and set it down did they have to do it so hard
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i mean like it's kind of like they kind of overkill it's pretty pretty
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suspicious so obvious that's the yeah you think you try to be slightly subtle
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let's just get them to climb gradually but depending on the details no man i
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want like 400 new cars
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well okay it's cranking up a lot they're also gonna try to get away with it and
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maybe what it takes to get away with it is to be like we literally don't have
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the capacity to make more so then they have to not build a factory and then they don't
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have this factory or they have the a lot of has to do with their process nodes
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and stuff too yeah so because they're not scaling how they should and they're like publicly saying to each other that
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they're not going to go for scale they're going to go for price per item
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and whatnot well i hope they get found guilty
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that'd be interesting that would be pretty world would be more interesting to me that'd be kind of fun if you if
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you could charge someone guilty for like your
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jerks at running a company oh yeah
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like you clearly have the money to build another factory there is clearly the
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market to build another factory you're not doing it just because you want to be
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whatever and charge an insane amount of money per chip
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so you guys suck here's a fine yeah this is kind of where capitalism breaks down
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where it's like in theory if they're doing that then there should be room for
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the for a new entrant in the market but the barriers to entry are so damn so
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insanely high the investment's so large and the talent pool is not big enough
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that they own it it's an oligopoly
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uh i wouldn't be surprised if these guys were caught
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like actually guilty because from 1998 to 2002 heineken samsung and micron were
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among a group of vendors who would ultimately end up paying a settlement to
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end complaints that they conspired to rig the price of dram chips so it's not
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even the first time this happened
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also yeah thank you twitch chat for pointing out the resolution problem i
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don't know what was going on there i had it set to default resolution and it must
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have been on like 64 by 64. not actually but it was pretty freaking bad so i
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changed it and we seem to be good now that's i put it that way actually
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because i have a zip um thanks luke
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yeah get owned now it is there for the world scene no it was the the resolution
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of this screen ah so it didn't even have anything to they could already see my
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sets yeah yeah it's okay there for the world to see
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speaking of for the world to see let's do sponsor spots sponsor sponsors
26:40
yes get money for the world not to see
26:45
your private in infra infranet your your private internet uh access information
26:51
animation i meant to say your private information
26:54
but i tripped like 18 times trying to get there but anyways pia if you need a
26:58
vpn uh like my dad did to access his own
27:02
website at school that was pretty insane
27:05
um with the the itunes both ways
27:12
he well okay he's a he's a um
27:15
instructor and the i.t department at school had no idea
27:18
why he couldn't access the website so i was like just you know do that
27:22
thing and it worked what's his website can we all go to it right now uh that'll
27:26
probably bring it down um but luke's dad.com
27:30
yeah let's not i'm actually not gonna tell the domain name because i actually
27:34
i'm going to go to lukesdad.com just to see is there a website that's probably
27:37
owned but not you might want a vpn behind
27:41
okay yes someone's going to own that it's
27:45
parked for free courtesy of godaddy it's gonna take almost no time until that's
27:49
gone yeah your dad's watching this and he's probably buying it up right now
27:53
anyways you can connect up to five devices on to your pia account at a time
27:58
uh they they have apps for for Android and iOS if you need it uh
28:04
there's apps for Windows macOS literally the notes on here say Linus
28:09
but i'm pretty sure it's supposed to be Linux but that's that's wonderful um and
28:13
google chrome so you can have a plug-in specifically for it so you don't have to
28:17
have the app installed on the computer if you want it's kind of easy to do it that way um it has an internet kill
28:22
switch that will block all traffic if the if the vpn becomes disconnected
28:26
unexpectedly that's quite cool not all vpns have that so if your vpn
28:30
disconnects for whatever reason it then starts flowing everything through yeah
28:34
yeah not vpn and that's not super great
28:37
that's such a fail uh check it out today at the link that's like below here if
28:43
you're on twitch i guess just type that out it's not that complicated or if you
28:47
are on youtube or soundcloud i guess
28:51
does anyone listen some people do uh in the description of this thing
28:56
whether it's a audio thing or a video thing we'll have a link to pia check it
29:00
out it's awesome it's great it does good things and speaking of things that are
29:03
awesome great and do good things fresh books
29:06
if you're if you're trying to run a company and you need to invoice people
29:10
for whatever reason you can do that super fast super simple no big deal
29:14
invoices to your customer you can check to see if they have seen that said
29:19
invoice so you can bug them about it um and green you can collect your money you
29:24
can also do expenses through the app which is super cool it keeps track of
29:29
who owes you what it keeps track of uh
29:33
how much you've spent on different things which is really cool we used it in a scrapbook horse and it's actually
29:37
quite helpful if you have any questions you can reach out to an actual person
29:41
there's no escalations there's no return calls they just pick up and and solve
29:46
your problem there isn't even a phone tree you're just like hey what's up i need help and they're like yeah i got
29:50
you no problem it's pretty simple i'm sure that's exactly how they do it
29:56
and next up we have squarespace squarespace is a a website that you use
30:02
to make other websites it's it's like website section it's wonderful uh it has
30:07
a replicator it's 12 bucks a month if you subscribe
30:10
for a year you get a domain with it because that kind of makes sense so you
30:14
can go to one place get a domain and a website you can build your website
30:19
really easily even if you have no idea what building website even means you can
30:23
do it no problem on squarespace because they give you this like beautiful
30:26
template you just put in like words and pictures and it's like oh
30:29
if you think building's hard you're not gonna sweat there's no manual
30:33
labor yeah no i mean it's manual in the sense that you need to use your hands
30:36
you need to type and click
30:39
that might be semi-problematic you could use a voice to connect yeah
30:43
and you might not be able to do a clicking thing some other way
30:56
yeah for if you're like partially disabled in some way you can scroll with your tongue
31:02
i'm not sure how it works there was a kid in my school and he showed me how
31:06
his worked and it was actually really cool uh
31:09
but that was a long time ago and i'm sure it's advanced since then so yeah
31:14
anyways you can use offer code alt uh go to squarespace.com forward slash LTT and
31:19
use offer code LTT to get 10 off your
31:22
first purchase so you have a website and domain and all that fun stuff what if
31:26
someone followed your advice right then went to
31:29
squarespace and the free domain they got was loosedad.com
31:33
and then they made all of this tonight do it you could that's kind of the cool
31:38
thing it's so fast you could actually have it done for tonight oh easily it's
31:41
pretty neato um and then i don't have a lower banner for this but also
31:46
uh check out uh ltx 2018 at
31:51
ltxbow.com and i realize that the x in ltx stands for expo and then we also say
31:57
expo um so
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just don't worry about that too much ltx expo.com check it out no it means
32:04
exploration like spacex oh
32:07
Linus tech exploration explore us come
32:11
and explore us it's gonna be lit this year i got some things up my sleeve oh
32:15
my i'm just gonna be there i guess it's gonna be bonanza not not too crazy um
32:21
also check out Floatplane that's like what i
32:25
do and stuff it's it's pretty cool i like it it's it's like neato and slow
32:30
plane i'm gonna get us logged in so we can see what's going on
32:38
hold on there we go we have like creators oh
32:42
wrong one we have creators on the platform and stuff so you can check out
32:46
uh linustechtips who's apparently uploaded a whole bunch of videos
32:49
including keyboard history good job by the way who did that one
32:54
who did that one i didn't call my video that what is that well that okay history
32:59
of the computer keyboard is that a Techquickie
33:03
who works here
33:06
that might be a tech wiki maybe we'll see uh not now though there's also other
33:12
stuff from lions tech tips there's stuff from bitwit ultra if you subscribe to
33:15
him there's stuff from tech deals if you subscribe to them it's cool it's a
33:19
platform that has different people that you can subscribe to see their videos
33:23
that's a try it's a tech cookie ah nice we have we have a confirmation dennis um
33:28
and you can watch their videos in glorious uh really high bit rate and
33:32
really nice sound quality and a private nice little comment section so you don't
33:36
have to deal with the drivel that's on youtube yeah and it has a thumbs down button it does
33:41
so you can be like in the comments you're dumb
33:44
other humans get used to it's the real world virtually
33:48
don't say this out loud but look at that i'm gonna buy that
33:52
i love that i'm gonna make it into something cool
33:56
you know you know one of my favorite domains that we have that we have to do
33:59
something with but we don't know what yet it's
34:05
we've adequatevideoservice.com thinking about using it for like our back end or something but
34:09
yeah it's just so funny it's funny little joke don't worry about it
34:12
too much you could use that for april fools maybe
34:15
that'll be funny like redirecting the whole thing warranty void stickers we have an update
34:21
that's exciting i've been excited by this for a little while i'm gonna last i
34:25
think i was on here last time we talked about it like two or three weeks ago that we talked about it together and at
34:30
the time one quick thing someone asked is there a Floatplane free trial there will be
34:35
there isn't yet um we're currently in like still like an
34:39
alpha e kind of stage so once we properly release there will be the day
34:42
there's a free trial is the day i use it for the first time
34:46
that's not true i'm just yes i was on there today i was like you have
34:50
to i have no choice rip
34:55
uh so okay per u.s law no warranty or
34:58
product sold for over five bucks can put any restrictions on repairs who does the
35:03
repairing you can't have a sticker on your product that says if you break this sticker or your voice
35:08
your your voice ward that happened last time
35:15
one of us said you're going to use ward last time anyway it's still true today
35:18
your voice will be ward if you
35:22
use a third party repair service at least that's what they say but that's
35:25
actually illegal in the u.s and what we learned last time when the news broke is
35:30
that is it the ftc they issued yes it is they
35:34
issued letters to six big companies we
35:37
didn't know who the companies were but they they were like look guys younos has
35:40
been illegal since the 70s we're about to crack the whip crack down on it yeah
35:45
and guess what now we know who those companies were hit me with them luke sony microsoft
35:51
nintendo wow
35:55
what competition it's like all the console people it's interesting
35:58
um also i don't understand the five dollar thing
36:03
why are you allowed to put restrictions on repairs for things under five dollars
36:08
that's so weird i think it's um
36:12
it's probably a bundle like this one sentence that we're our claws that we're
36:16
focused on in the context of this article is a part of a larger bundle and
36:19
to attribute that whole bundle to items that are cheaper than five bucks would
36:23
just be too much work and it would probably like inhibit people from starting cheapy little businesses okay
36:27
sure that's my speculation why not it's just such a weird like
36:32
what's even under five dollars that you would take to a repair shop fidget
36:35
spinner grease that puppy up it just doesn't spin anymore
36:41
a quarter turns all i get i just need some wd-40 but i don't want to spray it
36:45
on myself don't worry about it uh yeah hanging on
36:48
a little hook so anyway
36:52
it got very specific that's about it for that story honestly
36:55
the companies have 30 days to revise there's been uh online you can see a
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kind of a more generic version of the letter um
37:03
but each company did receive a customized tailored letter specifically
37:07
outlining the prop the offending product so in the case of microsoft it was the
37:11
xbox consoles that had these um
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these stickers on them and they're not just it's not just about repairs it also
37:18
says something about third-party um like accessories as well oh
37:23
interesting yes it's it's microsoft's actually in a pretty good
37:27
spot for that because while their surface notebooks have like notoriously
37:31
been terrifying to try to work on because
37:35
like the terra cotta and like all this other kind of stuff uh the xbox one x
37:41
you're talking about you're talking when you said terra cotta you're talking about that like uh yeah well sorry is it
37:44
called something is like uh like that's play that's on like yeah okay so what is that called
37:50
i don't know i think it's terra or something it has a weird name what is it
37:54
alcantara there we go alcantara yeah yeah thank you now that people are in
37:58
their cars we can stop so you ever been listening
38:02
to a podcast while you're driving you're just like
38:05
yeah yeah yeah so is that is that is that what the like the soldiers are made
38:09
out of the like huge amount of uh terracotta army yeah ah yeah yes so
38:15
that's where i played too much civ apparently um
38:19
anyways where am i going with this the xbox one x is actually kind of
38:22
wonderfully easy to uh take apart and put back together
38:27
terracotta yeah there it is it's a type of earthenware hmm
38:38
who knows where all right that's where the show is going
38:42
so yeah this this is good i'm very happy about this we'll have to see what
38:46
actually comes of it hopefully it means that my switch is still good to go even
38:50
though i have turned it into a purple thing instead of a black thing
38:54
so that's cool um moving on is this your
38:58
thing what thing this topic no oh
39:02
oh so sort of actually microsoft was an expert
39:07
witness no i don't read that part what it was like click on the click on the
39:11
forum link that came to us from gemini jay oh one
39:15
this possibly three oh man this is
39:19
ah this is long uh and i can't share it on my screen because i'm logged into the
39:23
thing well let's just skip it are you a fan of this guy
39:28
are you fans not particularly do you want to talk about that we can i'd i'm
39:32
not i've read it but
39:36
i don't know i don't really know the guy okay how about this you know what we're
39:40
gonna go let's cruise right into facebook sure there's two facebook-ish things today
39:44
uh number one at f8 which is their developer
39:49
conference which is happening right around now they announced that they plan to create
39:54
a clear history tool so
39:58
this feature will enable you to see the websites and apps that send facebook
40:02
information when you use them it'll enable you to delete this information
40:06
from your account and turn off facebook's ability to store that information
40:10
associated with your account going forward
40:13
they will still provide apps and websites with aggregated analytics
40:17
that's anonymous anonymized
40:22
and this tool won't be launching for a few months they gotta build it and test
40:26
it and apparently they're they're sitting down having town hall
40:29
meetings with security experts around the us and all that kind of stuff do you
40:32
think this would be a cool tool that you would use do you even use facebook
40:36
uh i have one the only things i use i don't
40:40
want to say once i have once i've fully deleted my
40:43
account like four times oh you want to um i also didn't create you make a
40:47
facebook status before installation be like hey guys i'm
40:51
getting off facebook no i just disappeared into the ether
40:55
without telling anybody every single time uh i didn't even create my original
40:58
facebook account uh one of my friends apparently i guess thank you jesse by
41:03
the way a real name um uh created a
41:06
facebook account under my name and then gave me the login and was like start
41:10
using this and i was like okay hook everything up to it yeah your data is
41:14
gone goodbye uh yeah so i've never been
41:18
a huge fan of it uh now i use it for the messenger portion because basically
41:22
everyone's on there so if you need to contact someone it's usually what an
41:25
Android thing would be work to do yeah yeah basically yeah i do the same um and
41:30
then i use groups a little bit i've got two groups on there that i'm fairly
41:34
active in one of them one for sharing music
41:38
and one for talking about nerdy things with my high school friends you care
41:41
about music yeah yeah
41:45
talk about this later okay yeah sounds good i can just invite you to the group
41:50
oh we're all plebs he's above us so you can't yeah you can't you can't join the
41:54
music sharing group uh so yeah i don't know that's cool there's been other
41:57
stuff that's come out of
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uh f8 f8 makes way more sense um
42:06
wow that's fantastic uh but apparently they're gonna do a
42:10
dating app i don't know if i don't think we talked about that last week oh i
42:13
haven't heard that facebook dating app yeah let me let me just google this live
42:16
on the show dating app
42:20
interesting first met no
42:23
facebook dating looks a lot like hinge facebook is taking on tinder with new
42:27
dating features i wonder if they all cut off tinder from their login with
42:32
facebook no they couldn't kind of doubt it they couldn't yeah facebook is an
42:37
integral part of tinder yeah so yeah new dating app amid all of the
42:42
crazy privacy stuff they are directly planning on making a dating app and it's
42:47
interesting because they're they've straight up called out that it will not
42:51
be designed around hookups at all uh that's not for you to decide yeah i
42:55
know but they're they're pushing it to not be that way it will not ever connect
43:00
you with a friend uh facebook friend yes
43:04
okay so part of the idea is that it pushes you to new people that's cool and
43:08
it will like keep even the idea that you're on it away from your friends
43:12
oh interesting so it's supposed to be private away from your friends that you're on this thing give us your data
43:17
and we'll give you a date yeah yeah and
43:20
a big part of it is this section they're talking about conversation starters so
43:24
they'll they'll try to have like events that are happening around you and
43:28
they'll try to use groups and things that you're both interested in to try to
43:31
come up with something for you guys to do uh that is hopefully interesting yeah
43:36
that's cool uh one problem with uh the way
43:40
particularly tinder works is like you know the first stage of tinder is
43:44
like hey you think i'm hot i think you're hot so we got that so like boom
43:49
that mystery solved but then now you're just in an empty chat and like what do
43:53
we talk about yeah where did you start so that actually might this actually
43:58
might help with that a lot i've been on the dating scene in a long time but i
44:02
just having something that's like hey we're both interested in this thing but
44:06
without having to go through the monotony of like reading through a basically resume yeah giant profile yeah
44:11
we need something in the middle here yeah that's that's a that's an interesting idea it's just kind of
44:16
funny that they're bringing this up at the time while they're having all these privacy issues but at the same time
44:21
despite all the privacy issues basically no one's leaving facebook
44:24
so it's probably fine related to that uh
44:28
because of the privacy things facebook is revisiting
44:32
the possibility of having a subscription model not it would be an option it's an
44:38
option okay okay just want to say this loud and clear facebook's not going to
44:41
be like hey you want to keep your facebook account five bucks a month 50 bucks a month
44:47
oh ad free okay it would be an ad free subscription model and i i think it
44:51
means you're going to be giving up a lot less data too so they looked into this
44:54
in the past and then internally basically everyone's like i
44:58
don't think that's going to work so they didn't bother doing it but now
45:01
they think the client has changed enough that enough people who are
45:05
who are considering leaving facebook because of
45:08
data and ads might say well it's worth it to me just
45:12
to stay if they get rid of ads and they don't
45:16
scrape i could be interested in this see i don't know i might even use
45:20
facebook more really this is really interesting to me
45:23
because one of the the questions here is like
45:26
would would the spur more people to join uh hell no in my opinion no not a chance
45:32
i don't think all it would do is retain existing
45:35
customers yeah i don't think there was going to be anyone who's like whoa whit
45:39
it's subscription model now i'm in i think technically there will technically
45:43
be some of those people but i think it it'll be such an insignificant amount
45:46
that it just won't matter it'll be the same number of people who
45:50
like want to pay with gold doubloons instead of us
45:54
dollars yeah like it's going to be they're out
45:57
there it's a really small amount of people but i think it will definitely
46:01
increase again a very small percentage of people but probably a bigger one than
46:05
we were just talking about people like me to use it a little bit more um i
46:09
don't like ads but i also don't like running ad blocker because kind of you
46:12
know we do a thing on the internet and when you do things on the internet ad
46:17
blocker has the potential of taking away all of your money it doesn't for us obviously um but i i do feel
46:23
like i don't know i don't want to get into the ad blocker thing because the entire internet just gets super pissed
46:29
if you ever talk about it but anyways i don't run an ad blocker so i prefer
46:33
neither do i i prefer to you can do whatever you want i'm not i'm you can do
46:37
whatever you want unless you want to be cool uh but and people are like uh yeah no i
46:43
actually haven't gotten around to it i'm just lazy i don't know
46:46
uh but yeah i would rather pay a website and not have to see ads
46:51
i liked that about twitch you could get twitch turbo
46:54
now just everyone's amazon prime i would have called it turbo
46:58
turbo then you could have a little like mascot for it
47:03
it's turbo that's actually pretty cute the twerking
47:06
robot oh okay not cute that's just gebo
47:10
no where's rancho going this is the nashville it's a parallel universe
47:16
okay so two topics left which one do you like
47:20
let's do both we have why not both 12 minutes they're
47:24
both kind of uh hp printer firmware breaches
47:27
australian consumer laws i have no idea what's going on take it away
47:32
uh okay so
47:36
i'll join you in a moment i think this began yeah in the fall of 2016 hp sold a
47:40
bunch of printers or updated a bunch of existing printers
47:44
in australia without telling consumers that
47:48
their software in these in these printers or in the firmware
47:52
that is going to limit you from using third-party ink cartridges
47:57
and that's illegal in australia so
48:00
now they're in trouble and get this
48:04
hp is offering consumers who were prevented from using a non-hp cartridge
48:08
compensation of fifty dollars if you more than two thousand customers
48:13
suffered under this uh under this software and if they each get their
48:17
fifty dollars that's gonna cost hp hold on to your tits a hundred thousand
48:21
dollars hp is like
48:25
wait how much oh okay great it's like that's seen in awesome powers where he's
48:29
like a million dollars and they all start laughing yeah
48:32
fine yeah i was worth a shot
48:38
no problem they probably got way more sales of ink than that hundred thousand
48:43
dollars yeah that's that's really not a lot um
48:48
especially because not all the consumers are going to even
48:52
claim this no the laziness will prevail in a lot of
48:56
these kind of situations it's like it's like the idea behind like why are there
49:00
still mail-in rebates why isn't it just automatically taken off at the till at
49:03
first because you're probably not going to mail it in heck no especially now god even in the
49:08
even when snail mail was just called mail i wouldn't do that yeah yeah and
49:12
most people wouldn't so the the discount actually becomes when you when you do
49:16
the math on your end it's not ten dollars off every single item that you
49:19
sell it's ten dollars off like actually a pretty small portion but you will
49:24
probably send sell more because you can post the price as being lower because
49:28
you're like it's lowered because of mail and rebate but then no one does it anyways stupid stuff but genius yeah so
49:34
it's not even gonna be close to a hundred thousand how much is a new like
49:38
proprietary hp ink cartridge i don't know 100 bucks
49:43
i let's it really depends on uh
49:48
i wish i had the model number the printer here
49:52
25 36
49:55
that's the thing it really depends on what printer it is because like this hp
49:58
61 thing and like this one
50:02
but then like the laserjet ones more but they said ink cartridge so it's not that
50:05
okay i don't know it really depends on what
50:09
cartridge it is well all i'm going to say is even if
50:12
like half the people affected just bought ink then they've already paid for the whole
50:17
scandal so in australia about 60 bucks a cartridge apparently 60 australian
50:22
yeah that'll be like i think it's stronger than canadian peso
50:27
but like not as strong as the u.s someone just gave me the price per
50:31
pallet that's that's cool but no exactly not
50:35
particularly helpful at the moment um
50:39
one more topic yeah okay let's move on
50:42
uh mining it was hard and uh now it's gonna be harder new
50:47
bitmain asic miners or easier depending on how you approach it
50:51
yeah it's harder for the average show yeah easier to actually get done harder
50:55
for your average these the uh bitcain
50:58
bitmain asic miners
51:03
uh and it's it smashes GPU performance we've got crypto mining hardware blah
51:08
blah blah blah for 2 000 it can perform as well as 15 1080 ti gpus at a mere 300
51:16
watts equihash is the algorithm used by zcash
51:20
zencash bitcoin gold bitcoin z bitcoin private komodo z classic and i believe
51:25
potentially even more um so what this means is that
51:30
it's so much more efficient to use this uh what they call an asic an application
51:35
specific integrated circuit a specialized computer it's so much more
51:40
efficient to use that than just use a regular off-the-shelf GPU
51:43
that it brings a concern about how decentralized and free
51:49
the uh cryptocurrency is now because in the utopian world that
51:54
we enthusiasts dream about anyone can can support the network
51:58
anyone can be a node in the network because you can just use an off-the-shelf GPU that you probably have
52:02
in your computer anyway once there's a specialized machine that's sold by one
52:07
company then there's
52:11
then it's centralized basically it's not and the thing is with these it's like
52:14
you've got a fed then like bitmain asic miners and stuff it's like you're not
52:18
gonna get one um they sell out so fast and their
52:22
supply is not high enough that a huge percentage of it is people reselling it
52:27
or kind of more like back end deals what is that is that temporary
52:32
by the time it becomes easy enough for you to buy one
52:37
they'll be close enough to the next one that you probably shouldn't
52:40
that's that's sort of been the pattern for a long time what i mean
52:44
for the industry in the future won't there be
52:47
competition there could be two or three people producing these things
52:52
we'll see i think a lot of companies are kind of scared about jumping in
52:56
because it's such an incredibly volatile market
53:00
um that's why it's far future
53:03
yeah it's like has to stabilize first we'll see yeah it'll be interesting
53:08
and like bitcoin is slightly going back up sort of maybe so i don't know who
53:13
knows we'll see i'm into the ether price
53:17
that's what i look at every day here we go damn it's almost at 800 us again
53:22
yes it's almost at half of what it was what
53:25
is what does Jake feel about all this there are other companies
53:30
yeah and they're just going to change the algorithms anyway so
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yeah what happened with them over there
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they changed them like before it mattered but most of the time
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bitmain has already been mined no one can hear you three to four months get in
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the show get in the show so what he's saying is there is other companies and like yeah i
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know we've we've talked about them on on WAN Show before um
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and but there's a lot of like what he's saying is by the time these things hit
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market even bit main has been mining on them themselves for a long time so like
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i don't know the mining space is so it's it's very
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it's very messy you have to be like really into it um to
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to probably stay on top of the thing is though like this algorithm equihash was
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meant to it was like designed to prevent centralization of the mining process
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and there's been other cryptocurrencies that
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this happened to and then after these asics come out they just like alter the
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algorithm so that it it kind of uh nullifies the lead that those asics give
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themselves yeah so maybe people right now people don't know if equihash will
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do the same thing and then gpus will still be relevant or if there's fork
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but either way we won't know until the future and speaking of the future that's
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where you'll have to be to see the next WAN Show or to see any more of the wine
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show because we're going to leave yes yeah
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there's a parallel uniform there's a many worlds hypothesis here where
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there's a wancho and a nacho yeah
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wow so if you want to see either one of those come back here
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in seven days minus one hour and you'll be good to go well
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probably not even the minus one hour we were on time today yeah
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seven days minus like 20 minutes
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anyways guys goodbye play the intro oh no
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okay we're good clench harder
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okay which one am i uh this one i'm the couch yes perfect
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i'm that little companion cube on the couch that lion's just put up his butt
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yay squarespace
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box no private internet access
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and you want to do it again no i thought i missed it that's why i did it okay
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there we go fresh box thank you very much we'll see you next time