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The WAN Show - IBM & Intel Speak Against Net Neutrality, Twitch Buys Team Evil Genius - Dec 12, 2014

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0:00 to the WAN Show ALT tab Extravaganza you

0:04 alt tabed the W show yeah exactly so the

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0:12 again no problem all

0:16 good for those of you wondering what the

0:19 heck is going on um here do you want to scooch over this way a little bit I'm

0:24 not used to I'm not this is weird yeah I know it's the couch is kind of

0:28 uncomfortable on that side like it kind of leans you out of the

0:31 frame yeah this is why we can never quite okay see and this one because this

0:36 shoulder goes back away from the camera

0:39 get the spacing right is actually quite difficult so some of you may or may not

0:44 have picked up on this but I am supposed

0:48 to look like Paul from New Egg TV and he

0:51 is supposed to look like Kyle Kyle

0:56 or or po D your your resemblance to Kyle

0:59 is over 9,000 there we

1:05 go oh my goodness um apparently I really

1:09 do look bald yes I do I can even give you guys a closer look at it this oh

1:14 sorry my uh I got my sound on on my laptop here let's turn that off so this

1:18 side's not as good but this side is uh is like pretty bald looking she only had

1:23 about 50 minutes with me or maybe about

1:26 an hour an hour and a bit hour and 10 maybe uh so uh we we had a friend of

1:31 Brandon's come in and uh and make us up here just because this is it's part of

1:35 our it's part of our fundraising campaign for our new office you can find

1:39 it over at new office actually I should post this new office. linch tips.com

1:44 where we've got a bunch of other uh perks the more people contribute to the

1:49 campaign um so twitch or no it's which does include that Miner oil computer if

1:54 we yeah if we hit 50,000 raised for the

1:57 new office then uh we will actually be giving away the mineral oil PC that we

2:02 just built to one lucky viewer so guys check check that out we've got a bunch

2:07 of other campaign perks but as you can see we did reach the man show made up as

2:13 Paul and Kyle won we did our best to make him look like Kyle and uh I feel

2:17 like the result ended up we talked about this before the show went live but the

2:20 result ended up me being Paulie D to a certain degree and you are the principal

2:25 from Community I want to know if everyone else is like but like I think

2:29 that's basically spitting image if you put him in like some really weird

2:33 costume and then the the the like neck up is exactly the same looks like

2:37 principal from Community the twitch chat is just spazzing out mine's broken

2:43 unfortunately I wish um so yeah guys we've got a lot of great topics for you

2:47 today including but not limited to parrot's new bbop 1080p drone that looks

2:53 like parrot assertively going back after

2:56 that consumer grade drone Market that they kind of they've released a couple

3:01 productss and then they've been kind of stagnant in for a while well now they're

3:05 they're coming back with uh with some Gusto uh We've also got twitch you know

3:10 these guys like on my t-shirt twitch buys Alliance Evil Genius and team

3:15 Tinker so a the a broadcaster for

3:20 Esports like it's like ESPN owning a football team it it sort of is well hold

3:25 on we'll get we'll get into it later we'll get into it later what else we got

3:29 well we also have Intel IBM and Qualcomm speaking out against net

3:34 neutrality we will talk about that later also 103 fans all tested in the ultimate

3:40 fan showdown of all time it was over not

3:44 okay sorry I'm done it was over 103 actually no it was very specifically

3:50 103 it was over

3:55 102 they should have called it the 102 plus F Showdown totally should have over

4:02 102 fans

4:05 tested oh I love this

4:11 show the entire twitch chat it's just like WTF is this our sponsors today are

4:18 linda.com no matter how bad we look we won't look as bad as their

4:23 mascot no I love their mascot that linda.com is about learning not checking

4:27 out the sexy book reading lady yeah yeah also speaking of checking out the sexy

4:32 we have a sexy new sponsor it's iix it

4:36 and we're going to tell you what iFix it is as if you've ever been on the

4:39 internet and don't know all about iFix it well apparently they think you might

4:43 not because they're sponsoring our show so we can tell you guys all about them

4:48 which is pretty awesome sauce

4:52 wow wow that joke was so bad it hurt my

4:56 Hardware

5:01 yes that was completely unscripted and it was fantastic I love it all right so

5:06 let's uh let's kick things off with the 103 fan showdown shall we this was

5:12 posted by aing on the Forum I'm going to go ahead and share my screen with you

5:17 guys here and uh Luke do you want to do you want to take this one away there 23

5:21 scroll down a bit there was 23 uh companies worth of fans tested and 103

5:26 fans total they're all tested all the fans tested were 12 centim and on your

5:31 screen right now you can see the best performers in the different categories

5:34 obviously if you follow the The Source link through on that form hardware.info

5:38 guys yep um but these are kind of the oh

5:43 okay these are the like the winning contenders as of right now all right so

5:47 some of these categories really aren't that meaningful so noise level at 10 cm

5:53 it's like obviously some doofy 500 RPM

5:57 fan is going to win that because it's the

6:00 quietest I mean you you spin the thing faster and you get more noise from air

6:05 movement alone let alone just the the motor spinning um and then maximum airf

6:10 flow same thing you spin a thick fan I

6:13 mean these are I believe they're 35 mm thick fans Ultra Kaz uh 3,000 RPM fans

6:20 and then you spin it at 3,000 RPM like it's like I could make the highest RPM

6:24 fan I would just simply attach a jet

6:27 engine part of a plane there you go but there are some other very meaningful

6:32 numbers so power consumption doesn't really mean that much in the sense of

6:37 like oh I have to buy a higher-end power supply because my fans are not that

6:41 efficient but it does tell you a little bit about the efficiency of the motor

6:46 design which is definitely a strong indicator of goodness and then the other

6:50 really important ones are going to be your airflow on a radiator at 12 volts

6:55 and 7 volts and the winners there not that we were rooting for them and not

6:59 that had anything to do with this testing but that fan that we keep

7:04 recommending no to2 the one that we keep saying we put

7:09 this on radiators in our standardized testing and when I say radiator I don't

7:13 just mean liquid cooling radiator a CPU heat sink is technically a radiator radi

7:18 heat heat radiator um so noct nf12

7:22 Industrials won both air flow at 12 at

7:26 12vt and air flow at 7vt um now to be

7:30 fair some other pressure optimized fan designs don't spin at 3,000 RPM by

7:34 default and so this doesn't actually necessarily tell us how the regular n12

7:39 Stacks up against other similar stock RPM fans but you guys should definitely

7:43 check out the whole article because uh yeah it's some pretty there's so many

7:47 fans tested it's it's interesting but read reading more on it is a very good

7:51 idea yeah I would recommend following through with that one so I've been told

7:54 that due to my makeup I may not drink from my water bottle the way that I

7:59 normally I have to use a straw oh an

8:02 evil straw why does that make any sense do you have makeup on your upper lip I

8:06 well I have makeup on my lower lip but if you put it on top of your lower lip

8:10 yeah I I'm not a very good Drinker

8:14 anyway so so just drinking skill deficiency I'm sure

8:19 if someone looked back at enough W show archives they could find me pouring my

8:24 drink down my shirt I'm just there's so many of them that probably it's prob

8:29 happened at some point yeah yeah all right so this is looking pretty exciting

8:34 let's move into our next topic here the parrot bbop drone I'm going to go yeah

8:39 if you want to go ahead and throw that link in there let's go ahead and watch

8:42 the video because this thing looks B A

8:46 I'm not even super down with watching videos on Wow too often but this one

8:50 yeah this is looking pretty good so um it's got a processor in it that is eight

8:56 times more powerful than the AR Drone 2

8:59 it it has GPS so you can actually have it take off from a given location and

9:04 then land back there this footage that they're taking from the Drone is

9:09 unbelievable look how high it is yeah I mean the old AR Drones had these had

9:14 these height limitations that were just felt very consumer grade like very very

9:20 consumer grade but this this is something else I mean this is the kind

9:25 of footage that normally you'd have needed like helicop yes yes like that

9:30 you helicopter 100% unbelievable what else we got in terms of specs here so

9:35 okay there there's a few things that are going on there's that GPS navigation that you were talking about one thing

9:39 that I noticed when looking through their documentation on the actual site

9:43 if you well we've got the video running so talk later but when you're setting up

9:47 the GPS navigation um it looks like you

9:50 might be able to set the the elevation as well wow I'm not necessarily entirely

9:55 sure um but as there's different points that they've plotted on the map and

9:58 numbers on those points I'm assuming that's something to do with elevation uh

10:02 yeah altitude you can set altitude speed all this kind of stuff so you can set

10:05 the route speed in between your different dots then you can set the

10:08 elevation at those dots so it'll go at a different speed to that location really

10:12 cool because if you're trying to get a really specific shot you could set it

10:16 out and be like oh I want this one section to be a little bit slower I want a little bit higher of an angle and just

10:20 set it out again which is actually really cool for little kind of more like

10:25 amateur filmmaker people that aren't going to get a helicopter and look at

10:28 this control module got available for the iPad freaking love this thing so far

10:35 and compatible with first person view glasses that looked an awful lot like an

10:39 Oculus right there this is looking like some pretty cool stuff so it's can see

10:44 180° it records at 1080p for video and

10:47 can take 4K photos which is just no we

10:51 don't parrot we do not use K for photo

10:56 resolution that is not how this works but I appreciate the effort

11:01 nonetheless um what else we got here oh yeah okay so it supports mimo AC

11:06 Wireless so that's two dual band antennas uh so that can handle 2.4 GHz

11:12 and 5 GHz just like previous AR Drones

11:15 or drones or whatever parrot drones it generates its own 802.11 network so

11:19 that's how you can use uh your tablet or phone to uh to get a first person view

11:24 of where it's flying and this thing looks absolutely one thing that I really

11:28 liked when I saw this was very specifically that controller the GPS

11:31 plan and all that kind of stuff was kind of cool but I think everyone saw that coming one really big complaint that

11:36 I've had about a lot of parro products in the past is the fact that you're using like the touchscreen crap on your

11:41 mobile devices because it's just it's just kind of junk and like trying to

11:46 control something with this graphical based joystick is usually just really

11:50 frustrating to be completely honest and then with that new tablet control screen

11:55 kind of thing with it looked like joysticks on each side or of some sort

11:58 Maybe one of them was throttle or something um but just more granular

12:03 control with actual real controls and then just having more the networking and

12:07 the video and stuff going through the iPad I think makes a ton of sense yeah

12:11 that looks that looks fantastic so this was posted by aing on the Forum the new

12:18 Oppo R5 is so slim that it can't even

12:24 have a headphone jack so that is it next to what appears

12:28 to be an iPhone 6 or an iPhone 6 Plus or something along those lines uh so it is

12:34 basically the exact width of a micro USB

12:38 port no more no less it's 450 bucks

12:42 unlocked um so you will need to plug your headphones in via the micro USB

12:47 port on the bot bottom using the adapter that comes in the box now or Bluetooth

12:51 we've talked okay yes Bluetooth would also work now we've talked about micro

12:56 USB and how sure it's a perfectly good

13:00 connector rated at however many insertions but the problem is that if

13:04 you rate it at X number of insertions in a lab versus that doesn't have anything

13:08 to do with how people are actually going to treat it you shove it in your pocket it's going to torque you you plug it in

13:13 and then throw it on your bed and it's going to bounce on the cable torquing it

13:16 and then dropping the phone on like I don't know that many people that

13:20 actually treat their phone as well as they probably should including myself um

13:24 so there's more problems than that and now you want every time I plug my head

13:29 phones in and out you want me to plug it into the micro USB I mean $450 brick is

13:35 more like it because this thing is not going to be useful for anything and like

13:39 we constantly say on the show like iPhone why did you make it Slimmer it

13:42 didn't need to be Slimmer we would have rathered there wasn't a bump on the camera and had a bigger battery and

13:47 they're like oh yeah let's just release one that's just as Slim as the plug

13:51 that's awesome everyone wants a Slimmer phone and like well meanwhile all

13:55 consumers are like please don't make a thinner phone they're like oh no we got

14:00 this one of the things I like so much about the Droid Turbo is the fact that

14:04 it's it's C it fits in my hand yes my

14:08 hand is not is not this comfortable weight is a thing this is not a shape

14:13 for a hand I mean the hand in the picture is a shape for a hand the phone

14:18 is not a shape for a hand yeah um

14:21 hopefully that came across correctly if not I fixed it now I had

14:26 actually reached out to uh tupal and about potentially Skyping in I don't I

14:31 have no idea if they're like around

14:34 right now or or what but uh we can we

14:38 can see we can see if they're uh if they're

14:42 around all right so let's go ahead and move on to our next topic

14:47 here so oh no that's not it well that's

14:51 we're skipping over specs for the phone because it's dumb yeah we we don't we

14:54 actually don't care were people asking about that I don't know I just I had

14:57 this spec up and I was like uh um AMD released their Omega driver so

15:03 I'm going to go ahead and pull this up you want to post the link so what are

15:06 Omega drivers you might ask well a number of years ago I might have told

15:10 you that the Omega drivers were a set of alternate drivers available for both AMD

15:15 and NVIDIA that had a few extra options

15:18 enabled in them and uh you know some some customization and sometimes some

15:23 performance tweaks well no AMD no we're

15:27 no we do Omega drivers now the Omega driver is the first of a new

15:31 concept of drivers from AMD that according to my conversation with them

15:36 basically amounts to thorough testing of the driver um like really thorough

15:41 testing of the driver both internally at AMD and externally with a dedicated

15:46 feedback system where people could let them know about any bugs and fixing bugs

15:50 as quickly as they could as well as a

15:54 slew of new features so you can download

15:58 them assuming you have an AMD graphics card or an APU well you could still

16:02 download them you could still download them they would just not be very useful

16:05 yeah they would not be very useful but if you if you have the hardware that it

16:09 goes then it's very useful then it can be very useful so um you get support for

16:14 virtual super resolution which is similar to uh it it helps with stuff

16:20 like down sampling you can render at a higher uh res and then down sample

16:24 that's essentially what it is so basically super samping super sample

16:27 anti-aliasing which which is basically the same thing as NVIDIA's Dynamic super

16:31 resolution I don't know much about AMD's implementation yet like I know that

16:36 NVIDIA is applying a fil like a a smoothing filter to the finished image

16:40 um what I can tell you guys though is that you can't um say it's DSR and VSR

16:47 like AMD and NVIDIA can you either just

16:51 call it the same thing yeah which would be fine I don't think anyone would

16:54 really have a problem with that or just don't can you just

17:00 please so uh virtual super resolution only goes up to I believe it's 30 34

17:07 something by something something anyway NVIDIA is able to upsample or down

17:12 sample from 4K and AMD can't quite do that on the current Hardware because I

17:16 don't think this is something they had in mind it's something that they've added based on customer demand and based

17:21 on the performance that's available on the scaling Hardware on their processors

17:25 so it also adds 5K monitor support and I've heard from Dell

17:29 apparently we're going to be getting a sample of their 5K display oo nice oh

17:34 that's awesome I'm excited now cuz I want to see what you think about that

17:37 versus the iMac yeah so we can try that out uh my iMac thoughts might be oh no

17:41 we're going to be doing the hardware upgrade probably sometime next week and then I've already got most of my

17:46 thoughts compiled for my ey switched um

17:49 so that'll probably come the following week or something along those lines yeah

17:53 um it's got support for alien wear's graphic amplifier doodad thing that

17:57 plugs into the back of one of of their notebooks so you can use an external

18:00 Graphics whatever uh it adds some some video picture enhancements perfect

18:05 picture editions 1080p detail enhancement now for apus I I don't know

18:10 too many people who use those things I've never met anyone who's used any of

18:13 those not a single person um someone probably does somewhere let us know yeah

18:18 twitch chat we want to hear from you do you we should do a straw po yeah do a

18:22 straw let's hit it with a straw pole do you guys use the video playback

18:26 enhancements in your graphics card driver want to hear from you so there's

18:31 been some what oh you spelled it wrong

18:35 oh it's yeah P you're good right there

18:38 all right that wrong so frame pacing enhancements for AMD dual Graphics so

18:43 that's where you run a low-end graphics card and an APU in crossfire which

18:47 basically nobody should do because even

18:51 with frame pacing improvements the the

18:54 the the the cost to Performance compared to just buying a better graphics C you

18:58 know the number of people who put like I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to

19:02 go I'm going to go even worse than this

19:06 this episode of South Park that just ended the other day and I'm going to

19:10 reuse South Park's joke that they reused

19:14 mercilessly I'm going to say the number of people who post comments on my lowend

19:18 video cards rent it's just it's ignorant it's ignorant it's ignorant uh because

19:24 people are like oh lonus you didn't think that maybe people only have this

19:29 much to spend actually yeah I did what I said wasn't that a huge point of the

19:32 whole video yes it was what I said is $80 to spend is not the right amount to

19:37 spend you either spend another 20 bucks or you spend less it's just fine to have

19:42 a lower budget I think I may have even brought up or maybe it was just a

19:46 comment I posted in reply to the video that buying used Hardware is an option

19:51 and then people are like well what about offices they're not going to buy a bunch of used Hardware well they're not gaming

19:55 anyway so they should be buying not an $80 card they should be buying a $40 or

20:00 $35 graphics card basically whatever you can get that has output on it

20:05 yes because they're probably just doing that for more monitors all right what

20:09 else we got mantle API activated for ultimate performance in sidm

20:14 Civilization beyond Earth and uh Assassin's Creed Unity Dragon AG

20:18 Inquisition and Far Cry 4 performance enhancement so aside from

20:23 vssr um oh yeah that was the right one

20:26 that is a that took me a second that's a pretty big Improvement super sampling is

20:30 a big deal um other than that it looks like I mean we've used it we used it uh

20:35 I don't have any complted in the crew video y I didn't notice like a ton of

20:41 like I didn't install it and then this hair happened um but I didn't there was

20:46 no crashes or anything so like I I have no complaints about it which is which

20:51 good which is all there should that's what you want from a driver you don't

20:54 want to complain it should not get in your way yeah I don't want it to bug me

20:59 it didn't it didn't crash it that's perfect that's fine I yeah no complaints

21:03 I don't I don't have like extensive testing with it yet um but wow a lot

21:09 more people use it than I thought so were we just completely wrong and we

21:14 suck I don't know cuz wow oh no that's really not that many okay here we go

21:18 here we go guys so 20% is still way more than I thought okay you're you're right

21:22 20% is a lot more two or maybe zero

21:28 just that's like hanging in the frame here it's cuz normally I'm over there

21:33 yeah and you're a lot further from the camera this makes me look really

21:37 small it does I have to like you are sitting forward and I'm sitting see if I

21:41 sit like you then it's like all right

21:44 there hello all right so uh let's go ahead and

21:50 move on to our next topic then shall we yes I don't think I ever heard now the

21:54 now the yes vote is like flying upwards so I don't really know if I trust this

21:57 thing at all yeah you guys might I don't really think 25% of people are using the

22:02 picture improvements from AMD yeah especially given that they just added

22:06 them for some stuff so unless you've already grabbed the Omega driver and

22:10 then specifically was like look at these

22:14 pictures I don't know I don't believe you guys it's already up to 26% now

22:18 speaking of look at the pictures metal gear solid five has uh the first

22:23 gameplay footage shown so uh we can go

22:26 ahead and uh this was posted by olak King on the Forum um there is some good

22:31 news so the first thing that I personally noticed about this is look at

22:37 those settings options whatever these things are we can

22:44 adjust them

22:48 lots what those things on the side they have a lot of granularity to them yes

22:53 all right you know there's off low medium high extra high I'm liking this

22:57 I'm I'm okay with that yeah and then apparently you can run it at 3325 by

23:01 1871 if you want because

23:07 sure because sure that should be that should start

23:11 being like patch notes for certain games why did you guys patch it this way

23:15 because uh sure I know whatever um there

23:19 is a 60fps lock at least it's not a 30

23:23 FPS lock um yeah that's the only

23:27 positive thing we say yeah know seriously but like there's certain games

23:31 where it's like 30 FPS lock cannot be like edited through a text file game

23:35 physics yes yeah you go double speed if you unlock it or whatever crappa did

23:39 with Need for Speed um but like at least

23:42 it's 60 not 30 still stupid really

23:46 stupid but at least it's 60 not 30 I can't stop staring at myself in the

23:50 preview window over here I look so weird seriously have you ever watched

23:53 community no you like really look like the dean oh like okay let me give me all

23:58 right I'll do I'll I'll I'll fire our I'll head over to our next uh next topic

24:02 here so Metal Gear Solid 5 ground zeros will be uh available starting the 18th

24:07 of December 2015 that is kind of striking yeah like

24:12 he just doesn't have a goatee in this one right so if I just had no goatee and

24:16 I was a little paler yeah then I'd be uh I'd be pulling this off pretty well uh

24:20 speaking of games and release dates The Witcher 3 is delayed again this was

24:24 posted by joners on the Forum and this

24:27 is not the first time it's been pushed back now you know what's really funny

24:32 about this is uh CD project red came out

24:37 and kind of in a move that mocked I have

24:40 to I have to assume this was targeted directly at Ubisoft and EA um and in a

24:47 move that mocked those other two companies basically said yeah we're

24:51 going to include all of our launch day DLC in the game for

24:57 free I have and you know how EA and I'm

25:00 going to play devil's advocate here for a second um you know how EA and Ubisoft

25:04 always say well you know yeah launch day DLC blah blah blah it takes more time

25:09 etc etc hold on hold on I'm going somewhere

25:12 with this okay CD project red committed to include a bunch of stuff that the

25:16 other guys don't include till after

25:20 potentially and now their game is

25:24 delayed a oh they buy it off more than they

25:29 could chew to troll e no you just you just said they can they commit to

25:32 release it after they're releasing theirs now well yeah but that no no but

25:37 the game's not out so they so they're not releasing anything I'm I'm just I'm

25:41 just saying it's completely irrelevant doesn't matter saying I'm just saying if the two completely different situations

25:46 if if EA or Ubisoft were releasing them at at the release of the game it makes

25:50 more sense cuz Witcher like CD project red has released stuff after games were

25:55 released and still done it free I okay

25:58 that's why it I was just I was just having some fun no fun I don't want I

26:03 have to slam down I don't want to host a show with you anymore

26:06 Kyle I've never fired Kyle before this

26:10 is why I quit New Egg Paul this is

26:15 why oh too fun anyways I wish those guys

26:19 would reply to me so that uh so that I could hear I actually really wanted them

26:23 to come in cuz I want to see what their comments are on our costumes all right

26:27 so uh let's okay oh right were we going to say anything else about that so yeah

26:31 they're just saying yeah we knew it would be an ambitious game you know we wanted and still aim to give an

26:35 incredible experience an epic adventure in a vast open World um you know when we

26:39 released the most important game in our Studios history we must be absolutely

26:43 sure we did everything we could I was trolling them a little bit before

26:46 they're doing this for all the right reasons they're doing all the right

26:50 things delaying the product to get it right is worth it just like we delayed

26:55 mineral oil part four last night by about three and a half hours even

27:01 though it cost poor Nick any uh any sleep last night resemblance of sleep he

27:05 could have gotten so if you guys haven't watched it already come on you guys I

27:10 mean come on I watched it I love like

27:14 going back and watching certain videos like mineral oil because even though I

27:18 was in it I'm like oh this is cool that was fun and you know what the way that

27:22 those guys edit it together makes it a completely different experience again

27:28 it's pretty cool I liked it and we got a comment from huget systems on that video

27:33 saying that our our uh question answer section was really good and we obviously

27:37 know what we're talking about so like every when I read that I was like

27:43 yeah that's exactly who I wanted to hear that from yeah that's those guys know

27:47 their stuff that's awesome um so yeah guys everyone throw that in a tab and

27:52 watch it after the show yes when the show is

27:56 done what actually don't throw it in a tab throw it in another browser window

28:01 so that when the show is done you can you can all

28:04 tab oh we just wrecked the mic sorry

28:08 guys oh no all right so uh what's our

28:12 what's our next topic we got twitch buys Esports teams

28:15 oo okay so this was posted by official

28:19 JSP on the Forum original article here is from uh good game. you want to go

28:25 ahead and post this in the chat yes all right let's open up this let's open up

28:30 this link all right it's so weird being on this side of the coach I like don't

28:33 know how to do things cuz I'm used to like cranking my right ARM down so that

28:36 you can fit easily and then doing everything with my left hand now it's the other way around and I'm like I

28:40 don't know how to do this all right so this is an open letter from uh about

28:46 basically why why why sold to Twitch and

28:50 blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah you know the issue to me

28:55 is not necessarily so okay right so uh

28:59 teams Alliance Evil Genius and team Tinker were acquired by twitch who is

29:04 now owned by Amazon and the issue here to me is not uh what a lot of people

29:10 will care about which I guess would be the perceived sell perceived selling out

29:13 of the teams the issue here to me is why does twitch need to own Esports teams

29:19 yeah okay and then there's there's the broadcaster argument which I saw a lot

29:22 of people bringing up which was like the ESPN owning a football team would

29:25 actually be a big issue one thing that isn't the same there is that you're

29:29 independently broadcasting using twitch's system instead of ESPN where they're

29:35 they're controlling what goes on the channel twich is controlling what goes

29:39 on the channel what I'm okay go ahead twitch is

29:44 controlling what goes on the channel but in a like content moderation aspect not

29:50 a like you don't get to stream cuz you're a competing team okay talk go

29:57 Dean they have a lot of control over exposure on their platform I mean okay

30:01 let's go back to let's go back to YouTube you could make the argument that

30:05 a lot of especially early YouTubers back when it was pretty easy to go

30:10 youtube.com front page like every time I got featured on the front page which has

30:14 been years by the way it's been a long time and I was a lot smaller then every

30:18 time that I front paged I got a massive

30:22 boost to my subscribers and Views and so

30:25 you could make the argument that a lot of the bigger YouTubes especially in the

30:28 early YouTubes YouTubers the YouTubes yeah we post our videos on the YouTubes

30:33 them YouTubes taking all the views from the TV you don't have a job you just do

30:39 the YouTubes um so a lot of the early YouTubers you can make the argument that

30:43 they got as big as they got because of the exposure from the platform and

30:47 twitch has a lot of control over

30:50 exposure to a given streamer or a given program I mean early on when we first

30:55 started streaming on Twitch we got a lot of feed through twitch's email

30:59 newsletter and through the front page that we otherwise would not have had if

31:06 we if we weren't kind of in their good books now twitch is in this position

31:11 where their main product that is to say

31:15 Gamers yeah who stream games is wholly

31:19 owned by them and I I get why that's good from a business standpoint so

31:25 Amazon has this fantastic infrastructure so you own your infrastructure and then

31:30 twitch has this fantastic platform um

31:33 like a social media platform and so you own your platform and then you own the

31:38 content itself that you're supposed to be promoting I mean this is starting to

31:41 look like a a little bit a little bit evil I mean obviously it's up to Twitch

31:47 to to prove to us that they're going to be responsible should pay a lot of

31:50 attention look at what's on the front page uh if that guy organically got

31:55 there that's fine but pay attention to his growth if he starts streaming and

31:59 then he has like a couple hundred people watching him and then all a sudden it

32:02 goes front page then a whole bunch of people swim in all at the same time it's

32:06 not like he gets actually more than the people on the front page and then gets

32:09 moved to the front page then that's a little fishy so I mean the good news is

32:14 that the players are all getting taken care of at least to the extent that it

32:17 seems like Esports players can get taken

32:20 care of it seems like you kind of turn 22 and then you're trash and you might

32:24 as well you could either become a coach or you go get a real job it's slightly

32:29 less of a thing slightly less of an issue but it's still definitely a thing

32:32 still an issue yep yep we're starting to see older people in the scene but a lot

32:36 of times they're more like um

32:39 figurehead I guess like white raw is awesome but when was the last time you

32:44 saw white raw like win a tournament I say that but I'm not sure because I

32:47 don't watch like at all no I don't think he's I don't think he's really active anymore although I'm he's active he

32:52 plays yeah okay right okay but like I

32:55 shouldn't have said active wasn't the right I should have

32:59 said doing things oh you know what's

33:02 funny is we we have okay I love tell you what remind remind me to do this I have

33:07 like a white raw headset downstairs and

33:10 I'll wear my white raw headset on the next W show or something make make up

33:15 for being a jackass sorry dude um so and

33:18 he's a lot bigger than me so um so anyway every player currently

33:23 contracted um with good game is going to

33:27 get small portion of the company's sale I'm assuming that's going to be a pretty

33:30 small portion um additional benefits for the player since they're becoming an

33:34 Amazon subsidiary yeah and um yeah I

33:37 guess there's not too much else to say about it I I do have a lot of concerns I

33:42 I the thing about twitch is now that they're owned by Amazon like let's let's

33:46 not kid ourselves twitch is already making bank pre- Amazon acquisition they

33:52 are they are doing like there's a reason they had Amazon's attention and they

33:56 sold for as much money as they did um

33:59 twitch now with Amazon's resources could be in a position to buy every orts team

34:05 yep honestly a lot of Esports teams like

34:08 raw just Esports teams don't even necessarily make a ton of money um

34:13 that's one thing that I think some people don't really realize they'll win a tournament and then people are like oh

34:18 my God they're so baller they won $250,000 prize it's like when there's

34:23 like five people that were at that tournament probably more players on the

34:26 team administrators coaches all this kind of stuff the chance that they won

34:31 that tournament is relativ team that they live that they live in they get

34:35 money from sponsorships and it's not a trivial amount of money either but the

34:39 point is that most it's it's kind of like you know what it's kind of there's

34:42 some teams that will make tons of money and be super successful but there's a

34:46 large amount of teams that aren't making a great and it's like pro athletes where

34:50 we go professional hockey players make too much money but the truth of the

34:53 matter is the NHL or for other parts of

34:57 the world I don't know Modo or KHL or whatever else those leagues are the

35:01 Elite leagues where it's like it's a snowballs chance in hell to even get

35:06 there there's lots of still professional sports where people are getting paid to

35:10 play on the team that are not the NHL where there is not a lot of money

35:15 involved and a lot of heartache and work that goes on to be involved in them just

35:19 for a shot at the NHL so you hear about these big prize pools but that doesn't

35:23 mean every Esports player is a baller but and now they picked up like EG and

35:28 stuff which is that's kind of a big deal not significant but what we're talking

35:33 about is like the potential to scoop up everything else yes and and the fact

35:38 that not every Esports player or or streamer for that matter you know just

35:43 Gamers that basically are are worth advertising Revenue why don't I say it

35:46 that way Gamers people want to watch are not necessarily all making bank but they

35:51 are all a very valuable commodity and

35:55 for twitch to be sort of jumping in and bringing these people in as employees

36:00 now in still what is very very early stages for Esports is an incredibly

36:05 shrewd strategy for them but one that I have very mixed feelings about because I

36:10 I I just I I you look at the kind of

36:14 promotion that someone like twitch can do around a major Esports event how much

36:19 more promotion do we get when it's their team in the final oh just naturally out

36:23 of enthusiasm for their even if there's no like evil sense there at all even if

36:28 they're just like oh man like we actually just like you dudes let's do this how much more promotion would like

36:34 you know your brother doing something to

36:37 do with tech news I've proven that whenever my brother streams I'm like by

36:41 everybody go watch yeah I don't know and that's not evil that's just that's just

36:46 humans having relationships with each other and wanting each other to succeed

36:51 and like this is all warm and fuzzy and quitting New Egg together it just

36:54 quitting New Egg together at the same time this is just one of those things

36:58 where I feel like by acquiring these teams in the first place they've put

37:02 themselves in a position where it's it's almost a foregone conclusion that

37:07 they're going to get special special treatment in terms of coverage

37:10 yeah so there you go I mean that's not like it diminishes my love for twitch

37:16 I'm still I found out about this before I'm still wearing their shirt mostly

37:19 because it's American Apparel and it's extremely com really comfortable yeah uh

37:23 we're more or less trying to do the thing that Firefox did a long time ago

37:27 which is is put stuff out there so that people pay

37:30 attention just hold twitch accountable and be ready and pay attention and if

37:34 stuff starts happening start talking about it speaking of

37:38 Firefox um where's that dang it where is that topic Yahoo

37:43 yeah Yahoo why can I not find this I

37:48 didn't even see it in the dock is it not in here I don't think so

37:52 I thought it was maybe I just posted a link well whatever I'll just have to do

37:56 this from from a brain um I really

38:00 thought this was in here okay well whatever do you want to

38:04 find some it okay so uh mozilla's deal

38:08 was a three-year deal in 2011 with Google to have Google be the default

38:13 search in the Firefox browser so that's at the Firefox homepage that search was

38:17 a Google Search and then in the top right of the Firefox browser that was by

38:21 default a Google search has ended I think something like what was it some

38:26 horrifying number like 85% of their revenue came from that deal

38:31 insane with Google and they have not managed to reach an agreement where they

38:35 can continue that partnership so it looks like starting in 2014 Mozilla has

38:40 Inked a new deal this time with Yahoo to

38:44 have Yahoo be the uh the star search engine for I found an article about this

38:50 on Yahoo but it's terrible so I have to go find another one uh whoa I spelled

38:55 that wrong blog. mozilla.com is probably going to be the uh the way to go all

38:59 right so so yeah we'll go ahead we'll post that we'll post that in the uh in

39:03 the in the twitch chat there you guys can check that out but um it hasn't been

39:08 as bad as I would have expected at the beginning yeah who search because

39:12 powered by Bing yeah so and Bing is just stealing the search results from Google

39:17 so realistically it's going all the way

39:20 around well they can't steal everything so yeah so so so basically I guess it's

39:25 not a huge deal you guys you you don't have to use Yahoo search um what's cool

39:30 is that Yahoo is not requiring Mozilla to track their users in any way so

39:35 anyone who's already opted out within the browser all all that stuff is still

39:39 fine it looks like it looks like not a whole lot is going to change but um for

39:44 the people that um are inevitably going to freak out and go what are you talking

39:48 about being stealing results from Google I just posted that in the twitch chat uh

39:52 that's a Google blog post of that being

39:57 a thing yeah so um so basically all you have to do is you can still change the

40:01 default search provider just like you can do an Internet Explorer it still

40:04 it'll just be the default and I would probably recommend changing it yeah

40:09 because Bing is just not very good

40:12 unfortunately wasn't like I I found that

40:15 in for very basic Search terms for things that I was looking up that like

40:19 was expected probably to be searched it

40:22 was fine whenever I would search something that was much more specific

40:28 it had more problems like if i' if I'd search up like oh this is a news article

40:32 that one of my friends told me about that I have no idea what he's trying to say it would find that because it's a

40:38 it's a recent common news article um but

40:41 if I was like I'm having this really weird issue with this benchmarking

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40:48 to Bagel be like no what what actually

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45:33 grabbed of the iFixit Protech toolkit it comes with a whole bunch of screwdrivers

45:37 those are my triwing screwdrivers this was actually the reason I bought the

45:40 tool kit the tri-wing screwdriver bits uh so I could take apart my DS he also

45:45 showed you guys the security Torx that are included that I've used to take

45:48 apart ssds the antistatic strap and those those prying tools particularly

45:53 the plastic ones are really really handy I used those to take apart my wife's

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46:53 featured one of their things in our last handy Tech under 100 that mag IC mat oh

46:58 yeah yeah yeah a dry erase thing it's like 20 bucks and it keeps all the

47:01 screws you it's you can write on it and label them and it keeps all the screws

47:05 where where they're supposed to be which is one of the most infuriating things

47:08 about any DIY repair project I think it would be cool if it was like way more

47:13 intense and kind of like the plates that we have you could put it up on things

47:18 but it's $20 and like it's definitely completing its own job just right when I

47:22 saw it I was like ooh I kind of want to put that on the wall I want like the $35

47:26 one that's

47:29 like uh there isn't a $35 one but if anyone from iFixit is watching which

47:33 they probably should be we'd love to see yeah we'd love to see one that's like

47:37 magnetic on the back as well and you can like stick it to your fridge and it's so

47:40 strong then still grit it out put like bolts from your potato cutter in it on

47:45 it I I actually got a I got a bolt in a

47:49 poutine once whoa yeah well the that's

47:52 like super not good yeah no it was it was like a bolt with like grease on it

47:56 oh oh my God yeah no it was it was pretty pretty revolting I uh well okay

48:00 the good news is that the reason there was a bolt in the poutine was that they

48:04 cut their own fries at this place like fresh cut fries from a fry cutting

48:09 machine that apparently lost dropped a bolt dropped a B in my food oh jeez um I

48:15 had something to say oh right with that big thing like it it could even have

48:18 ridges in the metal so they don't go in between oh that would be awesome yeah so

48:22 if it's a big thing you can mount on the wall and then it has its own squares just like that one could even have like

48:27 little tiny whiteboard spaces at the top of each one of the squares you can still

48:31 label what that area is for and then just yeah ridges so they don't go

48:34 between we're full of good ideas that would be oh man and terrible ideas like

48:38 dressing up as Paul and Kyle and the Wen my lip is so itchy I'm sure it is my

48:42 whole head is how is yours mine yeah it

48:46 it's it's kind of weird you know what I'll do after party I'll take it off

48:50 okay yeah and I I'll show you guys how it's how it's attached to my head yeah

48:54 uh yeah for those of you wondering I did not shave my head bald this is this is a

48:59 bald cap and I think she did a pretty bang up job this smudge right here

49:04 actually was an accident right before the show started she came in and was

49:09 like oh let me just touch up cuz she was like she leaning over

49:14 yeah yeah she had to lean over me and like part of the couch just to try and

49:17 get to that and then yeah it was unfortunate pretty funny speaking of

49:20 things that aren't funny The Pirate Bay was raided this week by Swedish I almost

49:24 said spinach police Stop in the Name of

49:27 iron eat healthier food you're eating too much junk food with your pirated

49:32 movies um so basically they've been they

49:35 were down for a couple days now yeah I think they've down two or three days now

49:39 let's go ahead and so this is a news article from torrent freak over here uh

49:44 so for the first time in months just completely disappeared offline it's

49:49 uncertain what exactly the future of the site will be one of the former founders

49:54 of the p is it somewhere else now or something basically said yeah and he

49:58 basically said I hope it stays down it's I don't really like the direction that

50:02 it's that it's gone in you know there's a lot of uh pretty pretty Pirate Bay has

50:07 gotten pretty aggressive about the pornographic ads over the last little

50:11 bit to the point where it's like I feel you know like it would be just awkward

50:16 to have that site open in any social context like there's some pretty graphic

50:22 graphic stuff on there um the iso hunt

50:26 guys speaking of I didn't earlier in the show didn't we talk about how ISO Hunt

50:30 is it back yeah it's CR oh it's back

50:33 already wow that was search for tests I know that the iso hunt guys had it back

50:37 up at um like this is all very much uh

50:41 an evolving story right now yeah but uh they had it back up at old pirate

50:45 bay.org pop up ads and crap all over the place oh yeah yeah I think this is

50:49 legitimately The Pirate Bay it looks like it they even have a checkbox for

50:53 porn well of course they do it's a torrent site what I don't know I don't

50:56 what are people downloading on torrent sites I don't know games and movies

51:00 that's what I thought well that's technically a movie I guess and

51:03 technically games too I think oh yeah see games and movies it's just a

51:07 category of games and movies mind you they don't have a check mark for comedy

51:12 so oh Adam Sandler you're just not

51:15 getting you're not getting pirated the way you used to unless you get naked I

51:19 was just going to say Adam nobody wants to see that no

51:24 it's just leave it alone H so I be oh

51:28 this is this is this was posted by uh Sil drai on the Forum and the original

51:34 article here is from n Gadget Intel IBM

51:37 and qualcom say net

51:41 neutrality um something something headline net neutrality will cause tech

51:45 companies like them to

51:48 suffer I'm posting on the thing if that's Nick spamming lonus he's not

51:53 going to read it hit me or he's going to read it now I guess

51:57 oh apparently I can't take the bald wig off myself I need help to take it off oh

52:03 all right well she still here I don't know apparently guess I'm paying for

52:08 that prob well if unless you want to have a bald head for the rest of ever

52:13 well there would be cheaper ways to do that so yeah yeah uh oh hold on a second

52:20 apparently there are fake pirate base sites yeah that was that was bound to happen I do know that some of the

52:25 rehosted things are some of them are not I I have

52:29 no idea I don't want to speculate on which ones are are real and which ones

52:33 are not but let's talk about our friends over at Intel Qualcomm and IBM so the

52:37 argument being made here apparently pirate B.C is malware infected so don't

52:42 go there if you if you get screwed over trying to Pirate stuff I don't care you

52:47 kind I'm sorry like you kind of had it

52:51 coming I'm sorry just reformat or do whatever like

52:54 that's that's what you're kind of paying for okay here okay we'll we'll we'll

52:59 come back to the the net neutrality thing tell tell me something how would

53:03 you feel about us doing a safe pirating

53:07 episode because it's not something that we support but we do support safe

53:11 internet practices and the proliferation of viruses is bad for everyone pirates

53:16 and non-pirated because there are a lot of things you can do to make piracy a

53:21 lot safer safe pirating episode or safe torrenting episode torting is pirating

53:27 right but most of the torren I'm totally down for torren but most of the torren

53:31 that are going to be infected with you malware are going to be the sketch on

53:36 because no one CU because why would you torrent something that is is infected

53:42 and because the point of infecting something is you want lots of people

53:45 grabbing it you're not going to a potential problem with uh like legit

53:50 Torrance though is that they could be

53:53 infected because you could you could post one that looks like the legit one

53:57 and it's not that was a huge thing back with like lime wire and all that crap

54:01 like even if you happen to download something legitimate offline wire that

54:05 wasn't pirated it wasn't bull crap it was very easy for someone to post

54:08 something under that name yeah that wasn't that and it was malicious right

54:13 but if you were going to post a totally get your point I'm just trying to add my

54:17 so my point is you would go for something that's much more likely to be

54:20 downloaded which let's face it anyone making the argument that a site like ISO

54:25 hunt or Pate Bay is being used anything but predominantly for illicit content I

54:31 shouldn't say illicit because in a lot of places including Canada downloading a

54:35 lot of that stuff isn't illegal but it would be an interesting idea because a

54:38 lot of let's say sketch sketchy content yeah yeah it would be an interesting

54:41 idea because a lot of the issues you can have like if someone was able to get

54:45 some of your personal identification from your computer y you don't deserve

54:49 that for no one deserves identity theft like nobody deserves identity theft and

54:54 we'll get into the whole Sony thing a little bit later speaking

54:57 theft of personal information oh God there's so much crap happening with that but like that's a mess isn't so I see it

55:02 from that standpoint I still don't necessarily think we should touch it right but I do agree with like certain

55:07 certain what certain viruses can do to you like file dumps and picture dumps

55:11 and and Ransom attacks Ransom attacks

55:15 like crap like that you don't deserve that that's stup um all right so Intel

55:20 IBM and Qualcomm say net neutrality will cause tech companies to suffer so in an

55:24 open letter to both Congress and the FCC see a group of 60 companies that

55:27 includes Qualcomm and Cisco argue that

55:30 proper regulation of the internet will risk the end of national investment in

55:36 telecommunications infrastructure I mean we've already had AT&T coming out and

55:40 saying hey you know we don't want to although they've backtracked on that so

55:44 get other companies to do it hold on well we get let's let's get through the

55:48 thing I'm just mad hold on okay hurry up

55:51 okay I want to be mad all right you can be mad just be mad quietly um what now I

55:56 don't even remember what I was saying right so AT&T already came out and said

55:59 look until we know how this new investment that we're making into fiber

56:03 and 100 cities is going to be regulated

56:07 we're we're not going to make the investment we're going to we're going to put this uh we're going to put this all

56:11 on hold um so as far as companies like Intel and IBM are concerned

56:16 reclassifying Broadband as a utility will prompt the networks to Halt their

56:19 building plans all together so they're basically saying yeah we we buy AT&T's

56:23 story that they're going to stop building infrastructure because they

56:27 can't monetize it to their satisfaction

56:31 um man okay let's keep going so were

56:34 that to happen it's claimed that us investment in broadband could fall by as

56:38 much as 45 billion in the next 5 years and with that sort of money no longer in

56:42 the system the TCH businesses will begin to suffer because if isps aren't

56:46 investing in new equipment then Intel's not in able to get that revenue and

56:52 employ people to invest in new development for new equipment and

56:57 you know what the US isn't the only place on Earth and we're still going to

57:00 need decent Broadband equipment for other markets around the world as they

57:04 continue to outstrip the US's thirdd worldclass in Internet which is what

57:08 it's going to be by the time you know another however long how long is it AT&T

57:13 thinks their plan to roll out fiber to

57:17 100 cities uh I think they're said what 5 years I think it's something like that

57:21 something like 5 years by the time that even happens so if they go ahead and

57:24 don't do that and do nothing for five

57:27 years it's going to be a joke and you know what things like Municipal internet

57:32 yeah the the that we had a topic on that there was a small town in Texas I

57:36 believe wasn't it I really hope it was Texas whatever in the State somewh Texas

57:41 yeah can't remember um small town just basically went yeah we're just going to

57:44 we're going to we're going to build our own fiber infrastructure blackj I think

57:49 I think they had already paid for the fiber infrastructure to be there it was

57:52 just like an emergency system kind of and then they're like why don't we just

57:55 use this maybe make it a little bit stronger I I don't really know that part

57:59 but I'm assuming um y y y and that makes a ton of sense and I'm totally down with

58:03 that and I just things like Municipal

58:06 groups stepping up like that one stuff like Google Fiber stepping in like screw

58:10 you and that is what is actually going to happen because you know what guys you

58:14 know how this works is the customer is

58:18 right and the customer for municipality not always but this time yeah okay yeah

58:23 well the okay the customer ultimately dictat the direction things are going to

58:28 and if municipalities that invest in proper

58:31 internet infrastructure and making sure that their customers their taxpayers are

58:36 their customers you don't have to live anywhere you can move that is how you

58:42 act like a customer to your municipality to your city to your Province or state

58:47 to your country you leave if you're not

58:51 happy and you flock to the places that are doing the things that make you happy

58:54 and if cities start notice holy crap

58:58 other cities that are making sure that their residents have these Wi-Fi

59:02 hotspots available all over the city and they have affordable broadband internet

59:07 oh they're getting people moving to them maybe we should do this and get people

59:10 to move you know what's going to happen AT&T and Intel and IBM and Qualcomm and

59:14 all you guys you know what's going to happen is somebody will invest in it and

59:19 you will be left behind it's happened over and over and over again I mean I

59:24 mean how how well how well did it work out for you know um ice ice mining

59:29 companies if they didn't invest in R&D into Refrigeration you know did they did

59:34 they just oh well we're not going to we're not going to invest in in new ways

59:38 to you know store ice underground and in caves and deliver it to people for their

59:43 ice chests until legislation tells us

59:47 you know how these Refrigeration units are going to come on you get with the

59:52 times or you don't and quite frankly I'm sick of their bitching because they're

59:57 making basically their business model they have now enables them to build

60:03 sports stadiums okay they have anytime

60:06 you can anytime you can like buy out and name a sports Stadium anyone anyone who

60:11 a sports stadium is named after I have no sympathy for because it is the

60:16 ultimate ego nonsense thing to spend

60:19 money on it is pure ego for some executive who has cuz I mean there's a

60:25 limit to how much profit you actually want to have the

60:28 taxes that you pay on your profit are a lot more than if you just kind of add

60:33 some unnecessary expenses to to here here here here here and there's a lot of

60:37 there's a lot of tricks that can be played with the book so by the time you're just spending money on stupid

60:41 nonsense um oh I have a I have a message

60:45 um oh okay uh oh crap that was like 20 minutes

60:49 ago maybe we can uh maybe we can bring Paul onto the show by the time you're

60:52 spending money on this stupid nonsense you're fine and I really don't

61:03 higher that they deliver um or that

61:06 people won't be willing to pay for more than just the base level of service when

61:10 there's like you know a a 10 or $20 step up that's available that's much much

61:15 much faster they will make money on their investment and I guess you know

61:19 the good oldfashioned other way that they could grow as companies would be hey I don't know by competing with each

61:24 other there are ways to grow your business that don't involve legislating

61:28 you know it being unnecessary for you to invest in growth unless you see a

61:33 massive disproportionate inappropriate profit potential where you can start

61:38 tapping into you know companies like like Google saying hey if you want you

61:42 know the fast lane for your customers or Netflix then you're going to have to

61:46 you're going to have to pay I mean there's huge problems associated with competitors like Netflix you got to

61:50 remember some of these broadband internet companies are also content

61:53 servers for cable television they're direct competitors and they're going to

61:57 be given the ability to squeeze them out

62:00 and charge the Nick for no predefined amount of money for no predefined amount

62:04 of money they're just going to be able to nickel and dime them until they can crush them this is just completely

62:08 inappropriate and disgusting ridiculous um and you know what Innovation never

62:14 stops because someone refuses to stop refuses to keep innovating good luck

62:19 well then people will step up yeah all right are we getting them in

62:24 here yeah yeah yeah yeah so let's uh let's go ahead and do a thing here

62:33 soap disgusting okay hello hey Mr Mr

62:37 heick hold on I don't have you I don't have you quite live yet you'll have to mute your show there sir yes just did

62:43 sorry all right hold on I'm just gonna get the get the mixer I heard uh oh oh

62:48 bloody balls bloody balls bloody balls

62:52 it's so uncanny seeing you two talk to each other when

62:56 looking in a mirror all right there he is

63:02 hey got Paul on the show another Paul on

63:05 the show so okay okay how's the how's the how's the how's the similarity you

63:09 got to give me your assessment how' I do here well clearly the cloning process

63:14 has was successful I think uh I I don't

63:18 keep it quite that short it's been a while since I had it like fully gone but

63:25 I I mean and and you're a little bit wide I think

63:29 on the there so you got to it's got kind of

63:33 a vshape to it if you notice it's tap the V towards the bottom it's better

63:40 than yes what I was going for yeah optimal

63:45 optimal v v optimized Hair Management V

63:49 optimized Hair Management okay yeah on the lower lip there um is it tress

63:53 effects TR effects maybe Paul's has a little bit more tress

63:57 effects than yours okay so let me tell you something the intention for for my

64:03 makeup was actually um Brandon screwed up and told our artist that she had

64:08 until 5:30 for the show to start so she

64:12 was kind of working away and working away and I'm like yeah it's showtime in

64:16 20 minutes she's like what you have got to be kidding me I'm not I'm not even

64:21 close to done I'm like oh well we've got 20 minutes so she had ended to put hair in

64:28 like to actually put hair on so that we could get the look a little bit closer

64:32 but I get I I think considering the the time constraints uh I'm pretty pleased

64:37 with the results yeah you you guys went all out I mean have you ever tried to

64:41 rush a makeup artist before they

64:44 don't no they don't they don't really take kindly to that so um since you're

64:50 on the show do you want to do you want to talk some like Tech crap I'd be happy

64:54 to I mean uh I I don't have your show do

64:58 but um that's fine I'll work on that you you do your thing yeah if you just want

65:01 to share share it with Paul um so so guys for those of you who don't know

65:05 Paul he's from the YouTube channel Paul's Hardware formerly from new.tv

65:09 although you're still on new egtv aren't you uh yeah I go in there uh once a week

65:12 still and and and do a show so I'm still hanging out there but also working on my

65:17 own channel so check it out if you guys are interested love to have you stop by

65:22 cool man so uh okay let's uh let's go ahead and jump into our next topic have

65:26 you heard that Windows 10 may be

65:29 subscription based this was posted by aing on the Forum and our original

65:32 article here is from techreport tocom do you want to go ahead and post that link

65:36 and I'll I'll open this baby up what do you think of subscription-based

65:41 Windows I think it's a good idea I think if you I mean if you look at when people

65:46 do builds and so often I see build build

65:50 setups and you know there's no Windows in there and it's always like oh well

65:53 are you going to have to spend another hundred bucks on your Windows license

65:56 for something like that but I mean if you compare it to something like Adobe

66:00 like I think Adobe realized that that

66:04 piracy was pretty rampant with their product and so rampant is one way of

66:07 putting it yeah that's that's putting it mildly but so so since they realize that

66:11 it was such an issue they offered the subscription based thing and I know of a lot more people who do the subscription

66:16 now who never had a, plus dollars

66:20 depending on what suite you were getting to to drop on something like that so I

66:23 think it's a good idea I think it's a a I think it's definitely something

66:27 Microsoft needs to do given the competition that they're looking at as

66:31 far as operating systems go and um I'm

66:34 just kind of curious how much they're going to charge actually there is there

66:37 any information on that uh I haven't seen anything but what I suspect we'll

66:42 see because Microsoft going back to my my retailer days you know back when I

66:47 used to have meetings with Microsoft about you know what they wanted to do

66:51 for quite some time the strategy has been how do we attach Windows and office

66:57 better yeah and this is the way because

67:00 Office 365 is already great and if I

67:04 could pay a little bit more for Office 365 and which already includes my sky

67:09 drive storage so by by bundling more

67:12 services together Microsoft could extract incrementally a little bit more

67:17 money from me and could deliver largely

67:20 incrementally me incrementally a lot more value to me that is a winwin

67:25 proposition I would kind of like there to be two systems because in certain

67:29 situations like uh say as a student if

67:33 you if you are given a laptop right a

67:36 lot of a lot of different situations you might be given a laptop I'm not going to go through all the different potential

67:41 situations where you're given a laptop you would probably have to keep that

67:44 subscription up wow not that one I I know I couldn't get it right I was doing

67:48 in the mirror oh my goodness I was looking at the at least you're you're

67:52 apparently not very skilled with that um

67:56 it's like you might have to keep that subscription going say you're fairly

67:59 young kid I built my computer really early on there's no way I could have kept up with a subscription I had money

68:05 that I had collected over years from birthdays and Christmas and whatnot and

68:09 like paper routes and crap that's how I built my first computer right and I

68:13 dumped everything I had now in this case I would have had to keep like a buffer

68:17 so that I could keep this stupid subscription going like I couldn't

68:20 afford to buy cheap Steam games I was trying to get free games and like

68:23 whatever I could get from my parents from time to there's no way would have

68:26 been able to keep a subcription going there is people that this doesn't make a ton of sense for personally I like this

68:31 idea it works for me right now I can afford the little bit of subscription

68:35 it'll probably be a lot easier because incremental Hardware upgrades and stuff

68:38 it's not going to care anymore as long as the subscri subscription is only on

68:42 one computer at a time just like uh Office 365 I think that'll make it a lot

68:47 easier for the stuff I'm doing which is great but we also have to remember the

68:50 people that it's not good for well I think that in a lot of situations like

68:55 okay for example a piece okay okay there a few problems that I can think of right

68:59 off the bat is one of the things about a subscription based service is it

69:02 includes updates not everyone wants to

69:05 update to the latest Windows and if they

69:08 even if they wanted to maybe they're running Hardware that doesn't support it

69:12 so Microsoft may be locking themselves into this sort of Vista 780 8.1 is

69:18 compatible kernel for quite some time if we want to see driver support that will

69:22 make any sense for subscription based Windows another issue is the one that

69:26 you brought up where sometimes buying Windows is just a better option but for

69:30 me like something like Office 365 where I can pay the monthly service I get

69:35 licenses for all my devices especially for techn files who have many devices if

69:40 they can give me my five you know Windows licenses that I subscrib to then

69:45 that's all the ones I need versus what it would cost me like 500 bucks every

69:49 couple of years is what it would cost me to update all of my devices at a time so

69:53 it gets incrementally cheaper as you have more devices yeah so that I didn't

69:58 really have a great flow to that but that was my basic point I still I still

70:03 think it's very segmented and I'm interested to hear what Paul thinks I

70:07 was just going to say I mean we discussed some of the benefits of the

70:11 subscription based service but Luke like as you're pointing out there are

70:16 definitely situations where just buying it outright is is also a good option so

70:21 I know a lot of businesses know that subscription Based Services are a way to

70:27 create an income stream that's that's very steady and very standard and

70:31 getting a bunch of people to sign up is a really good thing if you look at something like like a World of Warcraft

70:35 or something like that I mean the amount of money that you can make from that is

70:39 huge so predictable yes and you can know

70:42 exactly how much money you're going to be making yeah and essentially you can

70:46 have people who would pay end up paying more than what you would pay for uh if

70:50 you had just bought it outright so I would say that I I I would not want to

70:54 see that the subscription model at the expense of also not being able to buy it

71:00 outright fair enough can you still buy office out right I think so

71:05 right I I don't Office 2013 you can what

71:10 I like about yeah that's what uh 365 is is 2013 yeah yes what I like about sort

71:16 of Cloudy subscription Services I guess

71:20 is that at least they're evolving in the right direction I mean you look at the

71:24 App Store the App Store being able to family share apps now you look at steam

71:29 being able to family share apps now you look at the way an Office 365

71:32 subscription works there is nothing that prevents me from equipping my whole

71:36 household with my office subscription whether it's me or my wife or or my son

71:41 I mean he's two he doesn't need an office yet but at some point he'll need

71:45 office there's nothing that prevents me from that and so that's where the additional value for me comes in as a

71:51 household subscription based it's it's like more like bulk buying at a an

71:55 incredible discount yeah makes a ton of

71:58 sense uh I just looked it up um the first website they came was Best Buy but

72:03 it showed a really good demonstration actually you can get the subscription or you can buy the full thing okay uh so if

72:08 they do that with Windows 2 I think they've covered all possible basis I'll

72:12 get a subscription other people can buy the whole thing whatever fits for you

72:16 better that's awesome all right so the Sony hack Paul have you been keeping up

72:20 with what's been going on for poor Sony over there they they've gotten it pretty bad

72:26 pretty recently yeah yeah I don't think I ever thought I'd say poor

72:30 Sony it's it's funny because I like

72:34 right when all that was coming out um I don't know if you follow Jason he writes

72:38 for Forbes Jason evangelo but he he just wrote an article about going to the Sony

72:42 the PlayStation experience that they just had and his whole journey touring

72:48 around to all of the indie games that they had there and like what a great

72:51 experience it was and how much he felt like Sony was reaching out to that and

72:55 like yeah I I've never felt worse for Sony definitely they have been doing a

73:00 lot for Indie on PS4 I mean they've done a lot of crap that I really feel

73:03 strongly is is terrible um a lot of proprietary Ville nonsense but uh let's

73:09 let's just do like a brief brief rundown

73:13 so problems started on November 24th

73:16 when various reports pointed to a high proof profile studiowide Cyber attack at

73:20 the hands of a group calling itself has goop guardians of peace the hackers we

73:26 still don't really know their origin there seems to be some kind of link to

73:32 um what was it was it Bangkok or something like that North Korea Bangkok

73:35 a little bit of South Korea not really sure the rumor was it was probably North

73:39 Korea because one of the they haven't had anything to do with it and then

73:43 there sources and then there sources in South Korea there's stuff all over the place

73:47 no one really knows the only demand they've made so far other than other

73:51 than an early one um other than an early one by email which the executives they

73:56 sent it to never even responded to which was for money um it looks like there's

74:01 been another demand to pull the movie the interview in which um who is it I

74:06 don't know a couple like goofy actors Seth maybe maybe Seth ran can you

74:11 remember Paul do you know who the actors are I don't really follow act and that

74:16 other dude who's very attractive and smokes weed a lot what's his name even

74:21 Goldberg and Seth Rogan yeah all right

74:24 so anyway they they are supposed to they they meet Kim jonga and they're supposed

74:29 to assassinate him or something um so out of the data that's been that's been

74:34 released by the group did I say even they claimed that they had just under

74:38 100 terabytes of data and out of what they've released they've uh they've

74:42 included some high quality uh high

74:45 quality leaks of upcoming films uh

74:50 they've they've released executive contact information emails um salaries

74:56 they've released the details of Sony's dealings with uh Sony Sony Pictures

75:00 dealings with celebrities including their names uh negotiation strategies

75:05 how much they they traveling aliases like there is there's ton of stuff going

75:10 on uh I don't know what the American version is but wasn't it like sin numbers essentially of employees too

75:15 that's horrible social insurance numbers excuse me that's ours Social Security

75:20 numbers in the US right Paul is it Social Security whatever your personal

75:24 thing is that I I don't have one of those but I assume I've heard that's

75:27 what they're called um so yeah they're saying uh we are sending out our warning

75:31 again do carry out our demand if you want to escape us and stop immediately

75:35 showing the movie of terrorism which can break the regional peace and cause the

75:40 War uh I mean this is this is causing so

75:45 so much uproar and the the truth of the matter is Sony has to release the

75:51 interview they can't not release the interview because as soon as they don't

75:55 release the interview these guys have full control because nothing it's not

76:00 like it's not like Sony can say okay we

76:03 won't release the interview and you know these guys won't still have all that

76:07 data yeah oh okay well we'll give you the data back I mean data is not not

76:11 like that it's not a physical object they can just put it on a different hard

76:14 drive somewhere um so I I mean the the thing about it is

76:19 Sony has no choice but to release the interview and they almost can't because

76:25 individual employees at Sony are getting threats from this group towards them and

76:30 their families I mean this is just a mess it so some one of the leaks

76:34 includes private info of close to 40,000

76:37 Sony Pictures ex employees home addresses previous salaries that's

76:41 really messed up like like Guardians Of Peace let's ruin

76:47 a huge amount of people's lives

76:51 what like the there there was different ways that if they wanted to

76:55 to harass Sony with this information

76:58 they could have that didn't like destroy all the employees lives which probably

77:02 had nothing to do with this movie at all yeah ridiculous so they're asking for

77:08 monetary monetary compensation or blah blah blah blah blah blah blah and you

77:13 know that like I've seen some criticism of the Sony Executives for not even

77:17 opening the email initially but like I wouldn't open that email it would look

77:22 like a spam email I would not open it specifically because it looks like a

77:25 spam email and there might be security issues the number the number of empty

77:29 threats that you could get to that same end like that like I guarantee they've

77:34 been threatened with something similar to that before the idea that there was

77:37 anybody able to actually go through with it is probably pretty far from your mind

77:40 at that point so he does need to freaking stop holding stuff in PL text

77:43 oh my goodness yeah that's I mean of all

77:46 of these things the the lack of security on Sony's side is is pretty pretty

77:52 reprehensible yeah I mean that's the that's the like I okay I guess it's not

77:58 so much that I feel bad for Sony I do feel kind of bad for Sony because I just

78:02 people that work for Sony yeah I feel especially bad for the people that work

78:06 for Sony because the thing is is that if Sony Pictures you know can't negotiate

78:11 with Brad Pit anymore because he's

78:14 worried about his personal information being leaked because he dealt with Sony

78:18 Pictures you know that's going to mean

78:21 countless jobs lost because Sony Pictures can't sustain itself anymore

78:26 like this is terrible this is just terrible and absolutely terrible and

78:31 there's no way for it to to go well from this point that I can see it's just kind

78:35 of really bad there there's rumors that Sony was using Amazon web services to to

78:40 Dos sites that were hosting the stolen content but that's so sketchy rumors

78:44 that's they're sketchy rumors it would be a sketchy thing for Sony to do I'm

78:48 not even sure if I believe it it could be but like there's there's I i' I

78:52 looked up that a little bit looked that up a a little bit um and there was an

78:57 extreme lack of information as far as I can tell someone was like

79:01 Oh I thought of this thing that they could potentially be doing interesting

79:06 I'm going to post this on the internet and that that's as far as that rumor has

79:09 has gone as far as I can tell so I don't know starts and then from there it

79:13 snowballs into that's what they're doing like it could be I don't know I'm not

79:17 saying it's definitely not but it sounds like a whole bunch of bull crap to

79:20 me if you're going to use something AWS would make sense um

79:25 uh the Youtube Android application update allows you to watch videos

79:29 offline this was posted on the Forum by luno and it gives do you want to go

79:34 ahead and post this in the twitch chat sure uh it gives users the option to

79:37 download a video for offline consumption they can choose between 360p and 720p

79:42 and most channels are not available yet but it will be rolling out in time and

79:48 uh yeah so I believe Tech Qui is available already so if you need

79:54 download button yeah Tech cookie is and LCT is not yet so if you need to go show

80:01 someone how to do something you can download the Techquickie video before you leave and then show them I wonder um

80:07 like I'm assuming they're still they still have a way to track viewership stats the fact that it's app based makes

80:12 a lot of sense because they don't want you downloading files then they have no

80:15 tracking information and I mean for the people watching that tracking

80:19 information is really important to YouTubers like us and this guy because

80:24 we use it to find out what you guys like

80:27 you know with we can see retention hotspots like where people watched and

80:31 where they were interested in and and all that kind of stuff so the fact that

80:35 it's within an app means that Google next time that phone goes online will

80:39 still be able to report views and uh and

80:43 hotpots and all that definitely be able to do that all that data and make sure that they like I I wonder how ads work

80:48 does it still serve an ad to you I wonder it could download like a a set of

80:54 ads with it I wouldn't be surprised and then serve it or just one of them and

80:57 you just get served the exact same one every time I'm not sure twitch chat let

81:01 us know do you still get ads if you download into the

81:04 app that would be a lot of work to circumvent a 5-second skippable

81:09 button yeah if you were like I'm going to download every video so I don't have

81:13 to watch the ads that would be a little bit odd but I mean sometimes sometimes

81:18 YouTube rolls things out where they just haven't implemented that yet even though

81:22 it costs them some M Revenue like for the longest time mobile didn't have ads

81:25 on it yeah that's true really long time

81:28 actually yeah I mean you could make the argument that they wanted people to

81:32 watch on mobile so that Android and stuff they can uh put ads in later yeah

81:37 just put the ads in later they could just force you download the ad as well

81:42 sorry they could just force you to download the ad as well yeah I'm just

81:46 not sure what they're doing hopefully twitch chat is exploding with people

81:49 someone says I get ads but it's twitch chat so it could all be bs anyway yeah

81:55 I've got people saying no ads got people saying yeah ads thanks twitch chat

81:59 twitch chat super useful as normal we love you guys speaking of

82:04 twitch chat we have 6500 people

82:07 watching is that a new record no oh we

82:10 were we close to 7,000 once yeah okay well it's it's it's really good it's a

82:15 very high amount that's like number two or three got be there yeah that's right

82:20 I mean that's more views than Paul gets in a year a

82:25 on my live shows I don't I don't do live

82:28 shows I could do live shows I saw you I

82:32 saw you I saw you doing a live show that

82:35 was the new egg live show no I saw you doing a different live show he's making

82:39 did you see that yeah I did see that I'm subscribed I'm subscribed to that

82:45 website yeah where you where you have that live big Hardware

82:53 Snapchat oh terrible that's a brilliant name if I don't have that yet I'm going

82:57 to set it up

83:01 now that's Fant speaking of picture-based uh social media uh this

83:06 was posted by etj on the Forum Instagram

83:09 now apparently bigger than Twitter I'm not surprised I want to go

83:15 ahead and post a link sure so Instagram

83:18 has told newsbeat it has the potential to change the world as it announced it

83:23 has overtaken Twitter with 300 million

83:27 users uh Twitter claims to have 284 million users accessing the network each

83:32 month which is fascinating um Paul do

83:36 you use Instagram I do have Instagram uh

83:39 I'm not Super Active on there but I try to post a few videos every now and then

83:44 a few pictures every now and then of course um that's interesting I I'd be

83:49 curious about actual traffic though because I feel like there's a lot of

83:52 people who go to Twitter and read Twitter but aren't necessarily signed up

83:58 you know what the thing about Instagram is and this is this has been this has

84:02 been why I've continued to use it because I've had a lot of people complain to me about my use of Instagram

84:08 for posting pictures whenever I post a picture on Twitter I'll get like I don't

84:13 know basically no one sees it 10 or 15 favorites or whatever and then I'll get

84:19 um you know I I don't like a couple

84:22 comments um and then maybe a retweeter too when I post something on Instagram

84:27 if if the objective is to interact with

84:31 yall then you're telling me that Instagram is the way to go all that kind

84:35 of stuff lots more comments lots more likes lots more interaction with the

84:40 community that I'm trying to engage with so I don't know what it is exactly maybe

84:45 it's and honestly I find uh Instagram

84:48 conversations are garbage yeah Twitter conversations are worse yeah so it's

84:53 actually easier to follow the conversation for me on Instagram which

84:57 is ridiculous but it's like the lesser of two evils yeah okay ideally everyone

85:02 would just join the lonus tech tips Forum yeah to be honest um I was trying

85:06 to reply to someone on YouTube the other day and it broke all my formatting right when I posted I was like oh God please

85:11 just post on the Forum and the thing that kills me is half the people you

85:14 know what you know what there seems to be a direct correlation between the

85:18 people on YouTube who make me mad and the people on YouTube who have the reply

85:22 disabled on their profile because half the time more than half the

85:27 time wow a lot of the time I want to reply to someone on YouTube CU I'm like

85:31 yeah you are completely wrong about everything you just said and the

85:36 internet is making me mad they there's no reply and and and a lot of the time

85:40 too the particularly out there ones have

85:44 have solicited a reply and just have no idea that I can

85:48 never reply to them yeah yeah do you ever get that Paul where someone's just

85:52 like this thing you did was so stupid and and

85:56 then there's just no reply button and so you're just kind of sitting there going well I'd love to set the record straight

86:01 but it's definitely happened both ways I mean I hate it when somebody actually

86:05 has a legitimate like question or or

86:09 comment or something that I do want to reply to and I'm like I can't I want

86:12 even if it's completely positive it's like I can't help you I'll try to like F

86:17 at tag people and deep down inside I'm like you're never going to see this I'm

86:21 trying to help but there like there's no way you're coming back unless you get a

86:25 email or whatever so oh well well I

86:28 think that's pretty much it for for the topics that we really have today how are

86:33 things going Paul or do you want should we should we do this after party yeah

86:36 okay so thanks guys for for watching the show today we're going to go ahead and

86:40 roll our outro and we'll be back with an Afterparty for as long as Paul here can

86:45 join us with his fan testing wall of fness which you guys can't see because I

86:50 uh didn't set the thing right whatever the point is the show's over

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