Mining on THREADRIPPER - WAN Show Feb. 2 2018
Linus Tech Tips
·Linus Tech Tips
·2018-05-06
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10,488 words · ~52 min read
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all right ladies and gentlemen welcome to the when show we're
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technically here get this out of my face yeah
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no i want it in my face put it in my face
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you're not letting me remove it
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once you put it in my face you got to leave it there um at least for a little
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while for a little while let me savor it
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all right so we've got a great show for you guys today i think i actually have
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no idea it's been off to a pretty rough start to be perfectly honest with you i can't
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even check if i wanted to yeah luke's got an update that's sitting at 23 thank
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you dual core laptops yeah i am so glad
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that as of 8th gen you're gone forever
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did someone if someone raised your chair again do you want to but when people
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like when people come on WAN Show they need to just not
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dink around with anything or did they not
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that's it well why is it framed like this did someone mess with mine
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you know what forget it who cares uh maybe your chair is too low
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counter-strike co-creator suspended after being arrested for child
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exploitation um well my head's getting cut off yeah i know well like mine too now let's just
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hi uh
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i'm i'm calling max i'm such a wonderful show i'm summoning you beautiful show
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the best show um okay no further details yet other than
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the other details that we have that we'll tell you about later uh AMD suggests that mining may be profitable
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on threadripper
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i don't even i have i'm not even laughing because i like know that it isn't or that it is it's just like
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please miners buy our stuff too
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buy more of our stuff miners you're making us so much money please um
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all right elon musk uh released a flame
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thrower yeah what is it called the boring company yeah all right so we'll
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talk about that later i guess and apple
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sells fewer iphones but profits rise
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wow this is some boring boring stuff i'm
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so interested in apple making lots of money we'll find out other things to
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talk about i guess
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so i had you lower it max but i think what ultimately happened was someone
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adjusted my chair tight
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because luke's and my head was supposed to be at about the same height because we're maintaining the illusion that i'm
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not homunculus so um
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but trying didn't even faze at all
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no one's cool we can't see it no i do not want an apple box to sit on
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what are you brandon
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no no no bad new brandon
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bye just slouch a bit
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terrible welcome to the lan show oh man is this update still at 20 28 it's gonna
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go like the whole show you're not even gonna have a laptop for the show today
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oh man you know what
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i would i would even say it's been that kind of week but it actually hasn't it's
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been an okay week i actually had an okay week yeah well you know no wait hold on
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a second i forgot about all the drama at the beginning of the week what with the
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oh yeah you know about you right
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i was a latecomer okay because i i had no idea
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i had no idea what was happening while it was happening yeah and then i was like just cruising through Floatplane to
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make sure everything was going good and i saw like you were like what a mess
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where did this come from well no i saw like that thread and i was like i'm confused and then i watched like two
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minutes of it and was like i don't have time for this and i don't care and then
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i scrolled down and was like most the comments don't seem to care
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oh oh on our side on our site yes yeah
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and then i heard about the tweet and then i was like whoa and then i moved on yeah it totally blew
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up um a lot of people have sort of asked me for comments but i've oh i've said
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pretty much everything no no it's that's a scheduled shutdown i've said pretty
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much everything i have to say in an unlisted live stream that you should
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have gotten four notifications about i was so mad like it's so mad okay i have a 15
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megabit app connection at home i am i've watched that part down the
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hall from a thousand dollar access point which
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those of you have been watching a long time no focus that i used to have a lot
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of issues with wi-fi so eventually
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finally about three years ago i was like i am so
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done with this like what gives me more satisfaction in
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my daily life another graphics card for sli no or
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wi-fi that works all the time i think i'm gonna do by the way i think
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i might do another wtf is going on with this live video really because i think
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it almost needs an update it doesn't actually change that much
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it's like neither of them want to support it AMD's like no completely and
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videos like sort of two other than that
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no NVIDIA likes people putting two graphics cards in their system honestly
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i think for them it's less even about the money and more about just like that
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a GPU is a status symbol yeah um
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but the the game developer support is
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basically non-existent and before the
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i don't know why we're talking about this i guess there's no good topics so we might as well um before the mentality
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from the the hardware guys seemed to be that they just show up to your
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development studio before your game came out and would be like no
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you now support sli and crossfire and then now they just don't and because
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they're not there isn't support for you i don't know
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it's it's been a terrible experience like assassin's creed origins if you ran
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with sli enabled the game would run it would just run way worse than it would
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have ran otherwise which is like completely not the experience that you
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should have i don't know it's been it's been rough
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for the multiple graphics card guys and the future doesn't look any better
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at all yeah so i don't remember where we how we got onto this topic a little bit
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uh you were talking about this the you preferring having like a sweet ap versus
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a sweet graphics yeah so i decided that wi-fi was actually more important to me
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than a few frames per second so i got a baller access point so i was streaming
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through the youtube app on a pixel 2 xl so i was as google as i could possibly
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be and i sent out the interesting part i managed to send out three
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notifications to people each time i went live which
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three each time no no no one each time okay three one for each time i went live
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and then the streams would just stop i got a i got a screen grab of uh actually
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you know like unhappy face i can probably grab it but yeah like um
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it would just give me this error and be like yup
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your stream is down whoa
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um and it doesn't seem to have uploaded to
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that's my thumbnail i know yeah because just the the eye i couldn't eye
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roll enough i actually tried to eye roll more that was the most that was the most
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that i could physically roll my eyes um but i just got this your stream has
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failed message and and it would just stop and then what i've discovered now
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is that you can't you have no way of undoing
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those notifications that are sitting in people's feeds so i was getting messages
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from people for the next couple days
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they'd screenshot these four notifications in a row they'd be like wtf is this and i'm just kind of sitting
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here going i'm sorry i can't reply to every single one of you i don't like it
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either trust me it's dumb but i i can't do anything
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about it so i finally streamed on the iphone 10 instead
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and it worked perfectly that's like something like if you're if
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you're twitch streaming and say obs crashes or your computer blue screens or
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something and you need to go twitch stream again yeah it sends the email
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version of the notification to everyone i disabled the auto tweet one because of
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that on like most like ours doesn't do it mine doesn't do it i most people that
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i help it doesn't do it anymore yeah but it will still email everyone and people
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still get the phone notification right so it's pretty yeah it's pretty
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frustrating like it would be nice to have it you know be resumable or
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something like if especially because the app itself didn't crash it was just like
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your stream is stopped we'll start it again
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and i understand i do understand that
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whether it's down to uh you know codex requiring files to be closed out or
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whether it's down to any number of reasons that it's actually
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not like trivially simple i do get that but
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there has to be a better system than what we have now especially if you stream for like one minute and then you
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stream again like i would i would i would like for it to be a little bit
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smarter than that um so anyway i said pretty much everything i had to say
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there you guys can check that out if you want you probably have a notification if you're subscribed but
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um in a nutshell people were mad because
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i confused a tampon and a pad because
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the title said tampon okay in the thumbnail i was holding a pad
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i don't know we probably shouldn't get into it i just i just don't understand
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um yeah we probably shouldn't we probably shouldn't get into it because
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all we stand to do yeah all we stand to gain is more
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articles on mashable daily mail really and some yeah oh yeah
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like there are there are like articles about about this controversy that i'm
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kind of sitting here going okay like i guess i guess that's a thing that
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we need to write about today okay um i'm just gonna not comment let's move on yep
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so i don't i don't even want to cover this first topic either what's the first
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topic today the counter-strike thing oh yeah there's not really a lot to say
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well no it specifically says was not charged with a crime so i don't really
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want to cover it because we're just like throwing this dude under the bus when he
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wasn't charged with a crime maybe if anything concrete comes out of it yeah i
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don't like the idea of just throwing his name under the bus when he's not
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uh arrested suspended by valve
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um yeah it's a suspension they're probably waiting till they
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okay statement from valve suspended from the developer while the company
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investigates does not have a criminal history so in a nutshell we're not going to name
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any names it doesn't look like anything's really happened here but one
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of the co-creators of counter-strike has been arrested and suspended from
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valve and uh there's what's weird is that
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he's been arrested but not charged with a crime and the police
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didn't say if an actual child was harmed
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he has no criminal history and of course the local news station is
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speculating as to you know what this might mean
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but no one has actually indicated that they know exactly what's going on here
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so let's move into oh man
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why would AMD even bring this up
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so this article from pcgamesn.com what does this mean for
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AMD's reputation that's an interesting thing for me because so many gamers
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right now are really upset about lack of stock of parts
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about prices of things going up
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and the person or the group that everyone
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loves to hate is theoretically fighting against it at
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least in statement i don't know outside of that yeah but NVIDIA has stated at
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least i don't again i don't know outside of that they might be doing something i
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don't know if they are or not um that they that they are trying or they want
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gamers to still be able to buy graphics cards and stuff AMD i don't think has
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stated anything about graphics cards as far as i know i could be ignorant on that topic it's not like my laptop's
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working right now um this might take several minutes yeah you
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bet it will but but is actively encouraging people
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to buy cpus for mining so they're trying to potentially crush the other side of
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the market and right now with everyone being mad at like what is it micro
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center or something i don't know because they're like bundling gpus with whole
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platforms but if you buy the whole platform you get the GPU at msrp
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okay sure but like if you don't you get it at
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a cranked up price right yeah that makes sense so it makes it tough for upgraders
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but that's but then upgraders are a huge part of the market because yeah you
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don't have to upgrade your CPU that often yep
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so anyway the what what leads up what leads you
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know we should probably straw pull this but what led us to this conversation is
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that AMD's technical marketing manager damien trillit believes that there's
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massive potential for home mining rigs with their threadripper cpus and there's
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a few details here let's go through the like stuff that was said first and then
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we'll get into all the problems with this because there are some
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um so kryptonite can be mined with cpus that have about two megs of level three
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cache per mining thread level three cache is important for CPU mining yeah
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so this rules out almost all asic mining machines that are so far in production
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but favors cpus with high level three cache per core which threadripper is
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designed for okay so we also said cpus could be
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acceptable for mining if they could handle very few threads very fast and
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that's exactly what threadripper's able to do threadripper comes with up to 32
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megs of level 3 cash and it can keep the data set in cash what speeds up crypto
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mining a lot blah blah blah so with two mags per
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thread a threadripper 1950x could run around 15 active mining threads not bad
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that would allow it to get in about the same ballpark as rx vega and it will be
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much faster for example this is all quoting them much faster than a 1080 ti
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for example in kryptonite uh each Intel's htt chips have far less level
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three cash per core um he believes that a threadripper could
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be capable of accumulating around 90 a month through the nice hash mining
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program though of course uh let me just check my handy-dandy how
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much has the market fallen yeah
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uh you know calculator here and it's dropped
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honestly this is not reflective of what happened yesterday so it's probably somewhere in the neighborhood of like 30
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plus percent in the last couple of days um
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dude so your mileage may vary now of
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course um you could also go back up or it could go down 80 more i heard
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something happened last january as well so there could be a seasonal pretty sure
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it's every january yeah there could be a seasonal element to this but um or there
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might not be who knows maybe every other january was just a coincidence and maybe
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this one is too or maybe this is the end of times who knows the end of mining um
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anyway so using his estimated earnings a
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threadripper1920x would see a return beyond its own msrp of around 760
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dollars in just under nine months
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so oh oh yeah
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i'm not reading james you have to do it you do it is AMD trying to cash
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in on that cryptocurrency c-a-c-h-e
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terrible okay so penny problem number one is the
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perception problem yeah i think that's huge
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because you look at how many people were mad about the piece that we did on
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cryptocurrency mining what was it a week ago two weeks ago
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something like that did you check out mining adventure part two part three
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yeah uh part two the one with the gpus i've seen all of them okay you've seen
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all of them so mining adventure part two roughly i would skip through it we
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covered um building a more optimized GPU mining
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machine and that got 40 000 likes which
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is pretty good wow but also 10 000
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dislikes yeah because the gamers so just over a fifth of you guys were mad enough
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that on a piece of content that i thought was pretty good whether you like
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mining or not i thought it was interesting um Jake did a lot of
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research on this one we ended up with a pretty cool rig
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pretty optimized configuration anyway people were so mad that we got a
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fifth of you like pressing the dislike button to show your
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dissatisfaction with us even covering this stuff and there's eight thousand
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comments on it eight thousand i don't know who they should be mad at well okay
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i know at least one group that they should be mad at outside of that i don't know if they should or should not be mad
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at other groups yeah uh but gamers i understand the GPU market is terrible
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right now yeah it's crazy i would not want to be building a computer i wouldn't build a computer
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i tweeted out like way before the whole internet made articles about
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it and then some people were like oh they copied you it's like no they didn't put whatever i still try but they
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figured it out independently yeah yeah it's a pretty common thought but buying
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consoles right now yeah is like actually if you just want a game
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a pretty decent item like not a bad bet yeah and the crazy thing is you look at
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how quickly this happened oh because if you go back to mining adventure part one
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which it was fine back by many accounts or by
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or by a lot of accounts is a worse video
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yeah because we we did not
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try to build something optimized we actually
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went at it from a completely unoptimized way it's amazing by the way here's the
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point it's amazing how many comments there are on that video about how poorly
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optimized the build is that was the point even though we said it right in the video
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that that was what exactly what we were doing uh it's amazing how many people try
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really really hard to not understand a video
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anyway um so that had 50 000 likes and just
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1600 dislikes that's about 97 and then
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this one's closer to 80. so the whole public perception was like this is okay
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and then this is suddenly not okay so that's true again it makes sense from
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mid-november to mid-january
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two months and the perception changed that much around GPU mining well it went
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from like where i think is a good spot for it to
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be which is like oh gamers you can like
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make some more money doing this yeah and like if you if you have a couple gpus
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around or you want an excuse to play with hardware and buy some more graphics
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cards you can do this it went from that to like
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i'm getting a warehouse and then people got really upset about
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that right okay the solution
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Linus coin did you see Jake's tweet no you're
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saying instead of float coin we should call it sync coin saint coin sync sync because the
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market's sinking
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and because of it's same coin because you should sink your investment into it
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all of it literally all of it yeah so
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so i think we've pretty much decided we have kind of talked about it a little
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bit to be clear when luke initially brought it up total joke in paul's video
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not a thing we had even talked about no at all
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i still don't want to call it float coin pure legend we don't have to okay okay
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um but we've talked about it we're gonna do a
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coin and we're gonna do it as part of mining
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adventure and the point that we're going to be trying to make is that and i
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really want you guys to listen really carefully just turn off the radio
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kids don't listen to the radio anymore turn off the whatever else whatever
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audio noise pollution you have around you turn off the twitch streams listen
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really carefully we are creating this video
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to demonstrate how
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a coin can be created for purely
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exploitative purposes because a lot of them are because a lot of them are we
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will be going through the procedure and showing you guys how it is done and
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we'll be listing like a lot of the different ways that it could be done and
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then we'll be picking a few yep and we'll be going that route yep well you
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guys will so if you guys decide to mine it
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by all means mine it if you guys decide to buy some by all means do it but let
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me tell you guys right now our coin aside from if we can find some purpose
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for it where you can like use it for uh voting on wan showers voting on lan show
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or like uh some kind of access to a special sub forum on the forum or
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whatever like we might come up with like a couple a couple LMG or Floatplane related
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things you can do with it and those would largely be a part of the experiment of
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getting people to use it essentially but
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expect it to crash because in the long term we do not have
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either the technical know-how or the inclination
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to follow this through and make it a technologically superior coin which is
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yeah it won't be we're going to fork someone else's thing do do no special
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advancements to it yes and run forward yes so expect it to be that which is
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common now i realized i talked for a really long time so
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if anyone tuned out here's the bottom line
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if you didn't listen to everything i just said don't mind any and don't buy it
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everybody got that yes yeah okay
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that's good uh now it's time for our sponsors hold on one quick thing if do
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CPU mining i believe i believe ufd tech has done a video on
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all right let's go back to why CPU mining doesn't make any sense so first
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of all um okay part of mining adventure should you
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do a like the other ways video and do like hard
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drive and CPU well hard drive's coming oh okay yeah that that's mining
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adventure side quest did you get GPU working it's not good uh i haven't yet i
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figured it out though you just need to use a different plotter yes yeah so yeah
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like i just it's a yeah it's slightly more complicated than that yeah um but
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yes i don't care anymore because i'm using a dual 22 core system and i am
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getting uh up to about 70 to 80 000
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nonces per minute on CPU
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so i have um so i have four
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four instances running at a time because there seems to be some kind of
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limitation that's capping me at 60 CPU usage so i've got four running at a time
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so while one of them is committing to the dr while two of them are committing
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to drives the other two are running and then these ones will kick back in and
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then those ones will kind of run through creating nonces and then they'll be committing them to drives and these two
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will be running so overnight i was actually able to do over 10 terabytes on
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a single rig with CPU plotting so
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anyway to be clear i'm not running out and buying all the hard drives put away the
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pitch forks um i'm just experimenting with burst coin because it's this coin
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that you mine by just allocating empty hard drive space to it and it doesn't
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seem to so in further research and actually doing it a little bit myself
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yeah once it's plotted yeah it doesn't seem to hurt the drive
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okay at um plotting though yeah you're hitting the
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drive really rough yeah yeah like really rough so from talking to guys in the
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burst community they're saying that it doesn't hurt it any more than normal use
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would yeah so i'm still not doing it on petabyte project yeah no because i just
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don't even want them spinning if they don't have to be yeah um but on all
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these like janky drives that i had sitting in literally sitting in boxes
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around the warehouse why not might as well um so before i go
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for the weekend i'm gonna load up as many drives as i can on that system
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run them through all weekend and then by sort of next week i should actually have
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it all going so far i've made five dollars nice yeah there
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you go do you have much more than that i've spent on electricity a lot
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i don't know exactly how much but a lot
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you can do dynamic plotting too are you going to do that uh no i'm actually not
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familiar with dynamic dynamic plotting is uh
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you are able to use the drive oh as you add more data to it the plot
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will make itself smaller no i probably won't do that and you set an offset so
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that you have room to put stuff and then you put the stuff there and then it will shrink itself we can discuss it in the
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video but that's like not really the approach i'm taking you saw the machine
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i'm using no i know i'm just saying for for people that have like
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it's already getting to the point where it's probably not that practical to try
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to mine with just like the drive in your computer depending on the pool you join
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so the the difficulty so okay i'll get into this in the video but
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the more capacity you have the easier it is to respond to a job in time in sort
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of very very simple terms and so different pools you know if
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that's on a per machine basis or a per address um
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that's a great question wonderful question no idea okay um
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anyway so different pools will have different
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thresholds for how quickly you need to be able to respond to a job in order to
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benefit from the pool yeah because if you're just someone with like 300 megs
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and you're like never never going to
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actually discover a coin because it's like each amount of
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capacity is kind of like buying more and more lottery tickets so if you just have
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like a tiny tiny amount you're basically just piggybacking off of the success of
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the big people in the pool so some pools have very strict requirements for how
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much capacity you have to have in order to be considered a contributing member
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and in order to allow you to join so what you could do is you could join one
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of those pools even if you have a hundred megs of data but you would just
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never qualify and your entries would just be rejected
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every time you would never benefited just hit your drive from plotting
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and then never again and then never gain anything and then there's much much
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looser pools that have really really long times but those ones are full of a bunch of
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losers that you know no one like are individually
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going to find almost nothing um so anyway right now it's kind of like a
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weird stage where to get the most out of it you really do need a lot of drives
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like it's kind of transitioning that way interesting not surprised
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so back to cpus um so AMD has made a couple fundamental
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errors here number one is calculating roi time roi time is a
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flawed calculation because it is very easy to underestimate it or overestimate
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it you can't just look at how much it's bringing in today and go yes that is
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going to pay for itself in amount of time x because because saying
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it will pay for itself in amount of time x if nothing changes is just a sentence
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that doesn't matter yeah it will change it depends when and if you cash out um
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it depends what currencies you're mining et cetera et cetera et cetera et cetera
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et cetera it depends on whether you will even still be able to mine that
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particular algorithm um yeah nine months
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down the road on a CPU uh so yeah depends on a lot of stuff
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problem number the second is that there's more to the cost of a
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threadripper CPU than the cost of the CPU itself
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so threadripper motherboards are like 300
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plus dollars normal mining motherboards are in the
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neighborhood of a hundred plus to around 200 for something like ASUS's
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b250 mining and you're going pretty hard if you go to that yeah
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the other issue here is that you could kind of go oh okay well Threadripper is
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only like you know 50 to so double to 50
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more than a regular motherboard but you can effectively make use of the CPU
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socket as another mining you know uh
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node or whatever you want to call it as another miner
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except the problem with that is that threadripper is limited to what is it
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seven PCIe devices or eight something like that yeah so you could
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never have a threadripper mining optimized board
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because you could never plug in enough gpus
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to account for this difference in cost so while yes theoretically you could
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mine on threadripper you would not do that if you were
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actually trying to build an optimized dedicated mining machine you might not
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be though if you're picking a CPU for your home rig and you want to like mine
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overnight it would double your roi time for one
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because you're not 24 7 mining but if you wanted like a beast machine CPU
34:56
there's another problem um yeah yeah i'm just not sold i also
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wonder about power yeah power uh it's probably not any
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worse than like remember they're comparing it to a vegas similar but
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but you're taking away from your roi time
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yep because power is a cost so that will delay your roi time which is a screwed
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up thing to measure anyways i think it's a little it's borderline nefarious in my opinion
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for a hardware company that isn't like selling asics because then who cares
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anyways um to be like it'll pay for itself in nine months
35:35
that's a little uh i'm not super stoked on that personally
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all right putting its like hash rates up and stuff
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is fine maybe even if they do an article on like
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this is why you need l3 cache yeah CPU
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mic that makes makes a lot of sense it's like a blog post because a lot of people
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don't understand l3 cache anyways yep so if you're like look this is a practical
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application that needs a bunch of it um
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that would be an interesting blog post all right some random youtube channel or
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website or uh podcast or whatever picked that up
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and was like oh my goodness you can man with cpus that's fine because that's
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someone else doing that so you bought this yeah
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is this even legal here okay
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technically 100 yes
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uh-huh it actually making it here
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i'ma give it like a 50 chance uh-huh
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my hope is that if they reject it i can just tell them to ship it somewhere else
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uh-huh and then i'll just send it to my grandpa's or something and he can
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get rid of scorpions 20 000 flame
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throwers for 500 us dollars
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they sold them within a couple of days yeah thanks twitch subscribers
36:57
um because they took paypal here's the caption here don't do this
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also i want it to be clear that a flamethrower is a super terrible idea
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definitely don't buy one unless you like fun
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that's kind of lame i hadn't actually seen it fire yet that's really that's a
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really short yeah it's short burst
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okay which a lot of people were like oh that's because of laws and
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apparently basically nowhere has regulations on so one of the reasons why
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flamethrowers are not illegal in places yeah is because uh people use them as
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like weed destruction torches basically uh-huh and
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that's apparently really common in like a lot of farmland and stuff which you
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think oh that's gonna start a forest fire apparently no because they just like do it properly and stuff i don't
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know but yeah there's no regulations around it in
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canada there is not a single beep about it in the firearms act uh it's it's
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apparently completely allowed i even looked up import and custom stuff and
37:57
there's import and custom stuff about knives because i was talking about switchblades
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yeah switchblades and stuff and i was talking about how i like um like pocket
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knives on my stream once so someone sent me one and it got grabbed by customs and
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customs was like we're keeping this forever screw you and i was like oh okay
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well nothing i can do about that so i looked it up and yeah there's all the stuff about knives there's tons of stuff
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about guns there's ways to do it properly with both of them because stores can do it you just can't do it
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personally and you can let you have to set up as an entity to be able to import it and
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nothing for flamethrowers
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it's coming atf says any flamethrower with a flame shorter than 10
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feet 10 feet is a-okay
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our design is max fun for least danger
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i'd be more scared of a steak knife
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this guy is such a troll yeah
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like he's such a troll so i want to cook with it
38:59
if i don't know what type of fuel it takes so i don't know if that's
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possible um if it takes the right kind of fuel i
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want to it's like propane or something it's like a no i think propane can no
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you can with propane you can't with uh whatever tiki torches
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no no no but tiki torches are like an oil what fuel is that okay oh yeah yeah
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no it's going to be that it i mean i'm not an expert but
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it looks like it could be a propane flame to me
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it's very blue i don't see any reason why that would not be a propane flame
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especially because that would make it really uh really cheap and really easy
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to um to refuel
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okay blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
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sale drew criticism from a california politician who said he would introduce
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legislation aimed at banning the flame throwers we don't allow people to walk
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in off the street and purchase military-grade tanks or armor-piercing ammunition i cannot even begin to
39:57
imagine the problems a flamethrower would cause firefighters and police officers with that said this is hardly a
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military-grade tank or arbitration ammunition
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if you need this to start a fire this is basically a blow torch shaped like a gun
40:11
yeah like okay it's a little longer but like
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if you can't go to the if you can't go to the hardware store i
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can find something that'll make a fire easier than this then i don't know man
40:22
like honestly that flame has got to be
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that's only maybe 18 inches maybe like
40:28
you can get you can get blow torches that'll do not
40:32
much shy of that and probably hotter if you can jog around an office with your
40:37
thing fully firing and everything's fine
40:40
yeah like you could like he's saying military grade whatever military if you
40:44
can run around an office shooting with a gun it's not gonna be fine
40:48
yeah okay i think it's hilarious so honestly now that i've seen it fire like
40:52
i was disappointed i didn't order one now i don't even care it looks kind of lame i'm assuming you can mod it
40:57
oh oh you figure maybe you can mod it maybe
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but it depends on the fuel like something like propane i doubt it yeah i don't know if it is so maybe maybe
41:05
people are spamming the chat telling us what it is um canadian firearms law is so weird
41:12
22 stub nose pistol nope you might hurt yourself well technically a cannon you
41:16
can get in the same classification as a rifle
41:21
is such a joke it's so bad most stuff is classified by name instead of by
41:25
specification so there's a lot of things that like look scary that are banned and
41:29
there's things that are way scarier that don't look super scary so they're not
41:33
bandaged it's so weird
41:38
apparently tiki torches use butane someone's backs me up that it looks like
41:42
it looks like prophase what kind of tiki torches are we thinking then because i'm talking about those ones with like the
41:46
wick and the like kind of wicker thing around it i have no idea what they take
41:50
i thought they just used like uh like a wick soaked in a thing and they had like
41:54
that lemon smell am i thinking of something else what is the tiki torch
41:58
tiki torch fuel citron
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yeah no that's not that's not like i thought this is like a like a wax or
42:08
like an oil look at the way it burns i could be wrong though
42:12
tiki torch fuel like the things that we end up i don't i don't think it's a wax
42:18
um something something
42:22
it doesn't say america's number one torch fuel pre-filled paradise in your
42:26
backyard oh wow please just tell me what is in it
42:30
thank you i wish you would just tell me what's in it
42:34
oh man tiki torch fuel american sail.com
42:38
with lemongrass oil oh my goodness okay well either way they have a lot of like
42:42
it's scented with this or it has whatever else eucalyptus formula
42:46
ah i'm dying it's kerosene kerosene
42:50
kerosene oil keeps the bugs away yeah yeah but that's not what makes there you go no
42:54
there's different kinds this is why it's hard to find paraffin
42:58
tiki green whatever this is but like that's like paraffin's a wax
43:02
type okay but yeah just something with a wick in it like it's totally different
43:07
from from this um yeah i don't know if anyone actually
43:11
knows let's see i don't think you burn
43:14
citronella i think that's the yeah that's the scent crap yeah why switched
43:18
out is spamming cintronella i think that's what like makes it smell good or
43:22
keeps the bugs away or something apparently the slo-mo guys did a cool video using tiki torch oil what haven't
43:26
they done a cool video about that's fair
43:30
all right a lot of people saying kerosene oh finally
43:35
Windows 10 defender is finally going to block those shady free pc optimizer
43:40
applications about time this was posted by tech
43:43
dreamer on the forum and the original article is from cloudblogs.microsoft.com
43:48
protecting customers from being intimidated into making an unnecessary
43:52
purchase how did this take so long i mean i'm not mad like this is like the
43:57
main thing that they should have been blocking wow there was something else that i was
44:00
like really mad about yeah how do you know why does Windows not have a built-in
44:04
screen recorder at this point outside of games how is it that iOS has this
44:10
and Windows doesn't like there's just some baffling stuff that they haven't
44:14
built in there's so okay have you heard i don't think it's in the dock but have
44:18
you heard the rumors of uh the companies microsoft is interested
44:21
in buying no uh oh yeah it's propane uh just go to
44:25
their website 20 ounce propane there you go so there's no way you're going to get
44:29
a pro point propane flame much longer than that so change what fuel it is
44:34
yeah i don't know we're talking like okay to be clear i think there are going
44:39
to be people putting new rags in them and they're going to be people changing
44:43
out the gas i don't care sure i'm not going to do it
44:47
but um i i think it's gonna be i'm gonna go help my friend who lives on a farm
44:51
clear uh blackberry bushes with it
44:54
because that sounds fun right all right anyway that's what i'll do
44:58
what were you saying about the uh so this is like super rumor mill
45:02
stuff and to be clear i'm pretty sure if anything
45:05
i think it's like insider information which is super rumor mill no no no i
45:10
didn't hear this directly this is posted on some website sure okay um
45:13
and it was very much like they're interested in doing this not those other companies
45:18
are also okay with it sure so and one of them i'm very sure is not okay with it
45:23
um but pubg corp
45:27
what ea what
45:30
and valve which they technically have the warchest
45:34
money to deal with but like i'm sure the last one is not okay exactly yeah
45:39
they're not okay with it pubg corp
45:43
it sounds like they're micro uh their minecraft acquisition yeah hey this is
45:46
already popular and everyone already bought it let's now buy it to
45:51
we're not really sure um but okay microtransaction actually yeah part of
45:54
the idea behind that sorry i just remembered was not letting it go to
45:57
playstation because it's a timed microsoft xbox
46:01
exclusive and i guess they're they might be trying
46:05
to buy it before it can go to playstation and i heard that the idea of
46:09
them acquiring ea is to get a whole bunch of excuses can i
46:12
let me cut you off right there if microsoft wanted a game studio
46:18
why did they get rid of microsoft game studios
46:21
where's a mic need a mic
46:25
well they're still making microsoft games
46:29
because like uh whatever that new pirates game sea of thieves is like a
46:33
microsoft game yeah like not much they used to be an actual major game
46:37
developer yeah well i'm assuming maybe they want to get back into that i don't
46:41
know okay so the ea acquisition idea is interesting
46:45
because there's a lot of ways to hate that because more exclusives for xbox
46:49
and stuff um but i mean everyone already
46:52
hates ea pretty much at a maximum capacity already so yeah
46:56
maybe they can't hate them even more i don't know maybe it's not that big of a
47:00
deal i don't know
47:03
um yeah i don't think any of that's going to happen i just wanted to bring up
47:06
microsoft stuff um all right what else we got here this is
47:12
all boring uh apple delays iOS features to focus on stability that seems like a
47:16
good idea couldn't use uh speaking of built-in screen recording couldn't use
47:19
it today without rebooting it would list it it would just go
47:23
and then you can stop it and then the clip would just be gone yeah we tried a
47:26
few times it was broken um for iOS 12 they've been working on a redesigned
47:30
home screen app grid hopefully by redesign they mean exactly
47:35
the same except i can move stuff where i want it uh multiplayer mode for
47:38
augmented reality games ah augmented reality is so bad
47:44
like it is so bad
47:48
we're just we're not even close we're so many years away he's okay
47:53
it's bad max it's bad
47:56
what can i help you with no we're streaming
48:03
um uh a merger of the third party
48:07
applications running somewhere iphone's max do i
48:10
ivan told me you didn't have time after work um okay improvements to facetime um
48:16
longest standing video game record was thrown out after 35 years this was by
48:20
todd rogers it was for his dragster record yeah obviously it was impossible
48:25
because it's like physically impossible to happen in the game so are a lot of
48:28
his like 1400 other video game records a lot of
48:32
them are physically impossible including records that are like not
48:36
actually able to be gotten in the game because like your score goes up in
48:40
increments that his score isn't at like a lot of the games they'll be in
48:44
increments of like 10 and his score will end in like a five and it's like that
48:48
it's not how that works um or he'll play donkey kong and like the next highest
48:52
person is like 10 million points below him um yeah no it's super bs and uh
48:59
uh where is it sorry give me one second
49:02
twin galaxies records he has so many records in twin galaxies that make no
49:07
sense at all um and like and they're the official
49:10
source for guinness's world records and a lot of
49:14
a lot a lot or all of his records were posted through
49:18
one person who's now like in jail and like the tapes were seized by the
49:23
police so he's like oh yeah all the tapes of my records are just gone because of that but then people have
49:27
contacted the police they're like uh no we returned them all and there's like
49:30
basically none um so yeah todd todd rogers records super bs
49:36
moving on now his personal website offered a simple
49:40
explanation of how he achieved his unbeatable time uh while maintaining
49:44
that activision's certification of his time highlighted in one of the company's
49:48
newsletters was enough to cement his place on the gaming leaderboards
49:52
great that's makes sense there's even like someone took apart
49:57
a game and found that like one of the games that he played it's electronically
50:01
impossible for him to get the score that he got there's another game where um i
50:06
can't remember what it's called barnstorming or something like that you fly a plane and you have to fly through
50:11
barns and you have to dodge other things they removed all the ops and so it when you
50:16
go up and down to dodge obstacles you lose a little bit of horizontal speed so
50:20
you're supposed to skim things right you're supposed to move up and down as little as possible and go straight as
50:24
you can but you have to move a little bit so they removed all the obstacles
50:28
from the game and just flew in a straight line and didn't even make his time
50:32
so they're like dude you're bs i don't know dude's a joke
50:36
it's finally being recognized that's good because there's too many cheaters
50:41
in the speedrunning community and the speedy earning community is great so
50:44
stop there's also a lot of really legit
50:49
awesome people in the speedrunning community so there you go that aren't todd rogers
50:53
so this is pretty great tevo will let users auto skip the football to watch
50:57
just the super bowl commercials original article from techcrunch
51:02
um in other news there's a new app that you can only use when you have five
51:05
percent battery or less it's called die with me an anonymous
51:09
chat app that you can use on iOS or Android it costs 99 cents and there's
51:13
usually about 30 people active in the chat at any given time that's hilarious
51:17
um and youtube will now be labeling state-funded news broadcasts now here's
51:21
a question do they label cnn and fox news
51:29
are those i don't think there's the not technically but there are people who
51:34
would argue on either side that they might as well be funded by the left or
51:38
the right oh geez
51:42
wow and i think on that note we're done here time to run away thanks for tuning
51:46
in to the WAN Show we've got a lot of great stuff up on Floatplane i can't
51:49
show it to you because i'm logged in as an administrator on the
51:52
forum so i can't share my screen with you but there's some good stuff there
51:56
you can share it here and just highlight the things oh yeah i can do that
51:59
yes i think i can do that because you don't open the threads
52:02
anymore uh okay so lg wallpaper tv complete
52:06
that's a good thumbnail hey yeah it is i think we're finally getting a little bit
52:10
better at them yeah uh designing our new gaming set oh i think this went up
52:13
simultaneously but that's a good thumbnail too it is actually this big
52:17
that was cool is that on youtube yeah it's on youtube yeah okay that was cool
52:21
um can you build your own mechanical keyboard another good thumbnail yes
52:25
we're finally getting it i think yeah it took a long time um
52:30
is eight gigs of RAM enough in 2018.
52:33
that's more than eight gigs minor details minor details aren't those at
52:37
least it's not a tampon so isn't that like more than 100 gigs i don't know
52:41
um oh god the fastest laptop we've ever seen eight
52:46
cores in a laptop wow this was cool wow
52:49
full desktop CPU okay it's actually an am4 processor in there with an am4
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socket yes that's cool yes
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uh tampon gate
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you can watch it there oh we did another episode of ultimate compact pc
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nice ooh with the jedi one yeah that's
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cool star wars card um i saw a picture of some guy with like
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seven of each mining and i was like really
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really i'm not even hashtag doing it wrong all
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right we'll see you again next week same bad time same that channel
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dg776 says this show sucked and that may be true
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but at least it wasn't pre-recorded
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why what
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it didn't slow down
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no one listens to the stuff we talk about during the m trillion ah
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someone will basic dot main dot stop streaming
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confirm stop dot title confirm stop dot test hopefully the hopefully the top
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comment on youtube is confirm confirm stop dot comment or something