The WAN Show - Underwater Datacenters?? So Cool! Literally.. - Feb 5, 2016
Linus Tech Tips
·Linus Tech Tips
·2016-05-06
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oh there's a Star Wars ad playing on Twitch in my ears and I'm distracted but
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it's Lego bb8 Wow you can play as bb-8
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you can't even be mad about this like it's awesome I am actually really not
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that wow you can't mute it and you can't pause it anymore welcome to Twitch you
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can't just say watch this thing glitches out it's funny you can't just say I
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H this is ridiculous you can't just say no I actually don't want to watch The
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Stream in my own dashboard I actually just want to
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monitor chat and make changes to the stream I still can't pause it welcome to
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the WAN Show guys we've got a lot of great topics for you today and some
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fairly mediocre ones and uh some that
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are actually just downright boring but we're going to do our best to spice them
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up and uh what are you doing I'm being a
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bro you're being a bro yeah I gave him thumbs up gave him another thumbs up
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give him both thumbs up gave this hand a high five gave that hand a high
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so you're like a self bro yeah self bro bro yourself yeah okay um bro yourself
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so Germany's Fusion reactor creates hydrogen Plasma in a world first which
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is kind of like you know hydrogen atoms Brewing each other um Microsoft is
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testing underwater data centers a world first yeah and Google is going to be
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beaming 5G internet from like solar drones and stuff which is a world
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hopefully they don't bro themselves because then they fall yeah Brewing
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planes is bad plane broe bro you don't
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want to do that anyways also Microsoft
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Windows 10's really annoying when it tries to like do the thing automatically
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not just tries when it succeeds at doing things automatically like bricks your
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computer all right let's roll that intro thanks Microsoft
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says he's gring
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himself oh no it says wow wow so that's
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just by the way you're in charge of the uh uh squ me fres and put that up there
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and then go back so this guy right here I thought it said your name so this guy
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right here is like oh yeah here look at look at the twitch chat look at the twitch chat look at the
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twitch chat and the message is just like Luke is one fine specimen of a human man
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or something like that I thought it said lus and did I say lonus just now I said
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no I thought it said yeah so I'm so and I'm just
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like okay why are you showing me this
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it's like I yeah I get it you're hot I thought it you don't have to rub it in
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my face if you're going to rub your hotness in my face it could at least be
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after the show I was was trying I thought that I
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was trying to share a compliment from someone else to you I didn't realize
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that I was trying to share a compliment from someone else to me with you it's
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like I mean what's next are you going to like screenshot it and send an email to
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your Mom hey Mom look this random person on the internet likes me look Mom you
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made a good
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human oh my good so oh that wasn't
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awkward at all let's jump right into our first topic from giving TNT on the Forum
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original article here is from iflscience.com want to throw us over on
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my uh oh wow yeah with you in charge of the links and changing this that's going
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to be kind of hard Germany Fusion reactor creates hydrogen Plasma in a
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world first now this right here I mean
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yeah we did seven Gamers one CPU we're talking $30,000 computer no my friends
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that is a $1.1 billion
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Fusion reactor but like the the idea you want
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to go back oh no I'm just I I realized that we are not here do you remember
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which one we are no but I can figure this out while you talk that's not
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it that's a fun thing though that's cool
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anyways one of the huge yes it costs a lot right now but the idea is that you
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can make basically back Limitless clean energy which is like kind of maybe worth
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it kind of something we need right now I was talking to Taran about this in the car the other day actually Taran is both
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irritating and fun to talk to in the car because he deps what the topic is he
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yeah it can be wonderful yeah or it can be just sort of
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like why would I why do you care why why
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why would anyone care about this tan please For the Love of All that is good
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move on thank you um you just like and
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I'll do it sure okay I'll go like this yeah or I'll like or I'll like touch
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your thigh okay okay um
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anyway he was saying that we've used up something along the lines of half of the
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world's oil Reserve uh the only reason we have oil is because of there being a
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lot of oxygen in the air like 200 million years ago or something ridiculous like that and we had Global
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forests which at the time because there was nothing that could break down that
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could decompose wood would just fall on top of each other Global firestorms they
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would burn then they'd fall on top of each other some more and then in the swamps all this eventually turned into
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yay petroleum so what we run out of oil
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which we probably won't for a very very very very very long time it's just going
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to get a lot more expensive because we're going to have to extract it
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difficult to get to it it's like Yay Canadian economy we're going to have to
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uh extract it from places like the oil sands where the price has to be higher
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in order to make it economical to do it um so we're not going to be able to rely
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on it to nearly the same extent that we can now so electricity like sounds well
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fine and good it's like yeah I've got an electric vehicle I'm helping the the
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environment except that your electric vehicle is probably being charged with
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electricity that was produced from burning coal depends where
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you live depending on where you live you live in BC no then it's legitimately
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actually falling water that's taken care of most of your in fact our our power
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company is called BC Hydro Hydro that is
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not our water company I don't even know what our water company is called to be
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fair it's probably both we're not that big
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they might just have one group manage all of it so BC Hydro like it's pretty
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much all Hydro power up here but if you if you live somewhere where most of the
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poers being provided by coal there's actually it's not like I believe it is
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still better to produce the electricity in one place economies of scale etc etc
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but it's not like you know yay I'm just using renewable energy sources or
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anything like that sorry I'm really not feeling well
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this week I'm having sort of a sort of a great week should not be feeling well
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yeah my we've got a new employee here who came in and started giving everyone
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these crazy like weekly video quotas and stuff like that trying to organize us
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like get us on track the weekly video quotas are obscene right now but there's
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reasons for that that we can't necessarily yeah yeah that we'll get more into later but um basically we've
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just we've been really busy we've had a lot to do and I'm sorry I'm H anyway so
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producing electricity there are ways to do it that are green you know solar
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looks pretty good wind looks pretty good tidle looks promising hopefully at some
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point in the future in a b you 100 years from now or whenever we can figure that
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out um but the problem with those things is that I mean wind even if we could
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increase the efficiency dramatically beyond what we have today is not even
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close to what the energy needs of the world are going to be moving forward
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temperamental Reliance solar is still
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really not very close it's not economical right now um okay it might
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not be super economical but you could actually power a maed amount of stuff if
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you set it up all properly and there's a lot of work that would need to go into
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that yes so we're we're not I don't mean not close in terms of the efficiency of
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the panels that is advancing it just Leaps and Bounds right now but in terms
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of the economies of actually rolling it out I mean we all saw that solar
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freaking roadways video which turned out to be just completely a pipe dream
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nothing to do with reality um you know where they were
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claiming that these solar roadways would have the same or better traction
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characteristics compared to concrete which like wasn't a thing at all um
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there's a lot of other problems there were a lot of hugs of problems with that
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whole thing lots of problems um but there's there's there will be a solution
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but if not then at the very least Fusion
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we're hoping is the answer so what was really cool about what they did here
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in the $1.1 billion 19-year project this
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is the uh the experimental reactor the wendelstein 7x in Germany what they
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managed to do was to initiate the fusion process which requires extremely high
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temperatures around 100 million degrees C like actually extremely high
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temperatures um and then at these temperatures the atoms of hydrogen
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become energetically excited and form a plasma Cloud now to be in order to be
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sustained this is great the atoms of
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hydrogen that the plasma Cloud cannot touch the cold walls of the reactor so
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it requires 425 tons of super conducting
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super cooled magnets you wonder where that cost came from that keep it
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suspended um and then at high ignition temperatures along with an effect called
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Quantum tunneling the hydrogen particles begin to collide and fuse which releases
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energy and forms heavy elements now there is a bit of a problem this reactor
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was not designed to produce energy it is an experimental reactor it's designed to
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recreate the conditions found deep within the Sun but if nothing else any
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progress that is being made on fusion power is extraordinarily notable because
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it is much cleaner and much more sustainable than fishing which is what
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we're using now where you break apart the atoms you end up with all this horrifying Atomic waste sounds like you
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you like kind of Drew the word fishing a little bit did I cuz you said I don't
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know you I might have heard you wrong but I thought you said fishing I have a cold yeah I know but it sounds like it's
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much more effective than fishing than fishing it's just not bringing us that
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much energy yeah I was burning those fish all
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night and all I got was dinner and it weren't very good cuz I
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burned it oh Dam um
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so I've got people saying burning coal is burning coil is still better um
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burning coil are we talking like coilers
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coilers is that the conversation we're having right now cuz I'm actually not
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I'm legitimately not sure all right this is really cool
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Microsoft testing underwater data centers want to fire me over to over to
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my screen here soor this is called project natic ntic I don't know how it's
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pronounced anyway it came from a research paper that was written in 2014
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by several Microsoft data center employees and if we head over to to the
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uh here we go so here's a really here's a really cool look at the Prototype I'm
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actually going to drop back over to the dock and fire up the actual site Here
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and Now what I originally envisioned when I read about this when I heard okay
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underwater data centers I thought more along the lines of a traditional data
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center so where you've got like a
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building and then you've got towers and stuff yeah and then you've got like
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cabinets upon cabinets I thought they were going to dunk things that look like
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shipping containers I was wrong so we were both
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wrong we're were both wrong so the objective here is to eliminate
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the costs associated with air well with
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cooling with cooling a data center which is
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enormous like freaking enormous um so
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what I had kind of thought in in my brain because I'm not a Microsoft
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engineer obviously was they were going to build these underwater you know like
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bubble Dome things I didn't really think it would necessarily be a dome but domes
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are you know structurally sound reason for it to not be a dome anyway so they
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would fill it with cabinets and racks and and servers and then what I was kind
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of thinking was okay so where they would
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normally water cool a server and then have that go to an air conditioner or
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have that um heat exhaust into the atmosphere they would water cool the
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servers pretty much exactly the same way obviously um they would water cool the
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server exactly the same way and then I wasn't sure whether they would use salt water for
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the actual Cooling and then they'd have to develop like cooling systems that are
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resistant to corrosion obviously um or
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if what they would do was they would would they would just take like a
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gigantic essentially like a gigantic heat sink and put it next to the data
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center and then run their freshwater cooling through that in order to cool it
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in the ocean again also wrong I was going more that direction I thought they
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were going to use basic like not an actual shipping container but shipping
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container size kind of thing and the as
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a giant heat that always okay so we're
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both wrong that's a crab is um so let's have a look at what it actually looks
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like so here it is next to a person for scale on a boat here and the way that
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they're actually planning to do it is the data center would be quite spread
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out so you would have a whack ton of these things deployed all over the place
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and then they would be tethered together by it sounds like Steel cables and fiber
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optic links so the actual cooling of the
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unit looks like it's being handled here
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but I don't necessarily have all the full details how it works or anything
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like that yeah and where like my idea was if you had to do some maintenance on
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the thing you would I don't know take a submersible down there and work on it or
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something or like obviously kind of stupid because that's that's really hard
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whereas with these without taking everything offline you would just pull
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the unit up and work on it now with that said they don't plan to work on them
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very often the objective would be to have each of these capsules good for a
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lifetime of about 20 years and then the
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plan would be to bring them up about every five years to replace the hardware
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similarly to what they would do in the data center now where the yeah because
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they don't necessarily just cycle out Hardware at a data center when it breaks
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they cycle out Hardware at a data center when they get new stuff to not only stay
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ahead of the curve but also to avoid problems like Hardware being old and
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just breaking because it's old yeah because the cost of having you know a
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$100 an hour um you know server like
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like a data center administrator running around swapping out RAM
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modules it's super not worth it they even have tools this is one cool thing
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for like supercomputers and stuff where they swap out the CPUs from time to time
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they have tools that mass swap CPUs that's cool they have like Grabbers
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that can take like six at a time and like swap them in and swap them out and stuff like it's crazy yeah anyways sorry
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random little tidbit moving on um so yeah so there's some there's a
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lot of advantages here so there's the cooling Advantage there's the advantage
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of being able to get the data center and
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like I I feel like calling it a data center is sort of a misnomer they need a
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new term for it cuz it's not it's it's more like a data like Link Center or
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something link it's doesn't work though yeah because it's kind of spread out I
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don't know what they want to call it because well and remember too though data array link we are thinking very
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short term Microsoft is thinking 20 years 20 years from
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now that could be a data center yeah but
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would you I don't think you'd call it Center because like centered
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literally like I don't know I guess cuz like the way I'm thinking about it is in
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order to replace sort of the traditional data center they would need like
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hundreds or thousands of those like spread out and and linked together
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whereas I mean maybe and and so here's one of the things they're talking about
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one advantage would be the proximity to the users so instead of me linking to a
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data center in California somewhere up here in British Columbia they would have
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one of these just right off the coast yeah where you don't have to deal with
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all the you know right of way for running uh connections you don't have to
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deal with um the the real estate
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involved in in in building something like that um so so the actual link speed
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would could potentially be better um so
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I don't know like would would you call it a center if it was serving like the
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entirety of BC and Alberta or something I would not call it a center you still
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wouldn't call it a center because it's not a centrally located thing
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M so you're thinking of Center in sort of the literal sense yeah so it should
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be like we're talking spokes yeah it has to be at the center of a lot of spokes
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otherwise you lose yeah interesting okay I don't know if that's I I think that's
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what it's kind of referencing but I'm not entirely sure let's see what the twitch chat has to say about my theory
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this is another advantage to it too is that combined with some other
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Technologies like here's an idea to uh
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pool cluster get it I love that good job
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who in twitch chat said that let me find him uh so here's another idea that they
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could use like1 something whatever they're talking
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about these like um like these
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containers that they could suspend beneath the surface of the ocean and they could combine these with like a
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turbine or a tidal system in order to actually power the things as well or at
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least help power them so it could help with power it could help with proximity
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to data and it could help with cooling with I guess the one major disadvantage
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being that if anything goes wrong with it it is under the freaking
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ocean but uh you know I don't know hopefully they thought of that so they
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figure if they Mass produ the capsules they have yeah they probably have ways
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for like pass through so if one goes down they can just skip it temporarily
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and then fix it later on I mean Microsoft's not exactly new to the whole
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data game so hopefully they've got it figured out so while Microsoft is headed
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under the ocean Google has its site set on the sky so this was posted by do sjr
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on the Forum the original article here is from n Gadget and it says Google
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plans to beam 5G internet from solar
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drones which I read the headline and I was like sorry what solar drones like
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drones on the sun oh what do you mean is
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what do you mean solar Dr solar powered drones yeah solar power drones so the
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picture made it pretty pretty clear uh yeah there we go so these drones would
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be I believe it's what is it like optionally optionally
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piloted uh yeah yeah so you could be you could
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control it remotely or it could just fly
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around on its own they've actually got permission to test them up until is July
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July or something like that I will find it in a moment So the plan is for these
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to be perpetually powered by the sun hence the entire top of the wing and I'm
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going to call this elevator but I know the elevator is actually just the little
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flap that goes on the back of it so you'll have to forgive me as as well as
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the rudder here entirety of it is covered in solar solar panels and then
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what it would do is it would actually act as sort of um a replacement for the
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traditional cell phone tower uh can you go ahead and switch
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back so the issue with cell phones right
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now with with faster data speeds and
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with um adding more customers to the network is that the spectrum that is
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traditionally used is pretty darn chalk full I mean we even
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had an incident this week last week last week last week last week no this week uh
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well we fixed it this week oh whatever
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we had an incident about a week ago where Rogers one of the local cell phone
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providers came to our office and they were like yo you guys need to turn off
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your cell phone booster and we were like what it's like it's it's good in Canada
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like we we checked we made sure and they're like well you guys have got a
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problem where you are causing some kind of attenuation nonsense our anten our
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our antenna inside was too close to our antenna outside the building and they
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were basically blasting like kind of screeching on part of rogers's band and
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so our our provider we're almost all on Bell here in the building never said
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anything to us about it because it's not their fre spectrum they don't care but
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um but the guy from Rogers was like yeah you guys are going to have to turn that off until you can get the thing fixed
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it's not just like them trying to protect their band like that could make it so that Roger's customers wouldn't be
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able to like call emergency services and stuff so I mean we totally didn't
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realize um and they're like yeah you know that's that's how it is most of the
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time people don't realize so um you know
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yeah hey just turn it off for now get it fixed and then let us know when you turn
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it back on so we can check and see if we have any issues and I was talking to the
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guy and he was telling me like yeah this is this is a like a huge problem for
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them and um so this this is this is a story he told me apparently a a news van
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um like a local news van was shooting a story down in the West End of Vancouver
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and they were still using just like some
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some audio packs some audio equipment that was utilizing spectrum that had
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since been purchased by Rogers and and when when these things happen there's
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like a phase out period like you've got 3 years to you know for this industry to
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stop you using it and then you've got another 2 years like grace period and
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then it's illegal um and Rogers paid something like I don't know $4 billion
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or something stupid like that for for the Spectrum so that they could so that
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they could provide better coverage for their customers anyway um so he's like yeah I went out
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to investigate this thing turns out it was this news van and they knocked out
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the cellular service for pretty much that entire area oh my God yeah just by
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by broadcasting their their news broadcast on that Spectrum okay
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theoretically what can he even do about that though because that's a consumer
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using a product that they bought uh no that is a
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news like that is a news publication
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like a like a professional publication that would have been that is subject to
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the law for one thing so the law of not interfering with nonp just write a law
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and then make it so that people can't have to buy new things like that seems
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really shortsighted yeah oh yeah you can oh yeah happens all the time in fact um
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our our two Sennheiser ew10 G3 packs one
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of them is going to go obsolete uh in a while then and they are
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not interoperable because uh the regulations were changed and so
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Sennheiser had to revise the skew that they were selling in Canada that is
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super annoying totally a thing definitely
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yeah so anyway that's but but I mean
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this underlines my point some people just did some face py thing I know like
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guns and whatnot but it seems weird for consumer Electronics to be able to be
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ripped from people's hands mhm but that is that is the way it is and this
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underlines my point where what I'm trying to say is that's how crowded the
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available radio spectrum is that we're
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fighting tooth and nail paying billions of dollars for access to use tiny tiny
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slivers of it and ripping the electronics out of people's hands
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telling them they have to buy new ones because it is now illegal to use them like that's how crazy it is so coming
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back to the solar drones and the 5G internet the plan is to use millimeter
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wave so it is believed that millimeter
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waves are capable of transmitting data 40 times faster than LTE with the issue
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being that millimeter waves have pretty much zero penetration power and very
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limited range so millimeter wave is the same
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stuff that they use to scan you at the airport just so you guys know so like it
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can barely penetrate like I think it's how much of your skin does it manage to
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not very much like like not very much so so you think about okay yeah what if my
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cell phone ran on millimeter wave all of a sudden let's say the tower is on the
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other side of Luke and I go and I lean forward boom my call dropped oops I mean
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obviously just like we've had in the past we're going to have fallbacks to 4G
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3G I mean hell I think even Ed shows up every once in a while it does somehow um
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like they're still out there but you you
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OB like you don't want your high spe data going on and off every time you
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like lean toward someone so that's why taking the stuff off the towers and
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putting it way up in the air above the consumer could help um could help with
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the growing demands for data in the
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future so I guess that's pretty much all I have to say about that it's really
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cool seems like a cool idea I mean I love the idea of solar uh solar aircraft
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it's becoming more and more a thing it sketches me out like I mean the first
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time one of these crashes and like hits somebody oh a drone yeah it's going to
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be like such a scandalized I don't think has anyone actually just been Smoked by
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a random like flya away drone yet I know
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the kid got his eye injured by but like he was like watching his uncle fly it
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like he was like right there he was involved in the action whereas has
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anyone had a drone like just kind of take off like you know you get flyaways
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sometimes and like hit someone's grandma yet I'm sure twitch chat is going to is
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going to tell me there was that Olympian the skier or whatever do you hear about
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that it didn't hit him I don't think it but it landed like right behind him it was one of those big industrial
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ones I did hear about that I never saw the video though I don't I don't think
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it hit him though so I don't think that counts it landed behind him I
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believe someone kill himself with his own drone that's not yeah not quite what
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I'm talking about I'm talking about like whether it's like an Amazon delivery
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drone or some other kind of commercial drone or like some random drone like
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someone where they had no involvement in the Drone experience other than to be
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hit by it completely out of nowhere um
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yeah I mean the first time it happens it's going to be it's going to be a huge deal um I really hope that it's not you
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know one of the 5G internet solar drones
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but it's going to raise a lot more eyebrows about projects like this you
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know well my my uncle Johnny was killed by a drone and so we shouldn't fly
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drones and there's something to be said for that we shouldn't fly drones that
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aren't safe like I don't know you know looking at the picture of that thing I
27:31
don't know what safety mechanisms it contains
27:35
um doesn't look like a whole lot but that pict would Glide but that picture's
27:39
a render so looks like it would Glide as long as it has a parachute that would
27:43
deploy if you CU I mean Glide is great
27:46
in theory until it goes really fast until it collides with something else in
27:52
the air and it knocks a wing off um that too I mean the thing could be made of
27:56
foam for all I know parachuting not a guarantee and
28:01
something can still run into it yep so I don't know
28:05
man I don't know man speaking of I don't
28:08
know man if you were thinking to yourself gee oh my I don't know how to
28:12
upgrade to Windows 10 that's fine
28:15
Microsoft has got you covered you don't need to know you don't need to know at all
28:20
original article here is from howto
28:23
Geek and I think we should open this segment with my story with you telling
28:28
your story that you told me before the show about what happened to you this
28:31
week okay the one with that that um that
28:34
dog that walk came into your house what
28:38
like took a crap on your bed no okay so was a dog maybe not so
28:44
much um I was here a little bit late last night working uh that's a little
28:48
bit irrelevant but basically I wasn't at home and my computer decides to upgrade
28:53
to Windows 10 and uh my girlfriend is at
28:57
my place and she's like um um your
29:01
computer's doing stuff and she's like I didn't touch it cuz she's like worried
29:05
that I'm going to blame her it's fine I mean hey girlfriend blaming when
29:08
something goes wrong with the computer that is a thing it's a thing so she's
29:12
like okay like I wasn't touching it I was I was away somewhere else doing
29:15
whatever I just saw it's it's now trying to boot up but not working she says it
29:21
keeps restarting and it's trying to turn on and it keeps failing and restarting
29:24
and I'm like uh cuz you just roll back to Windows 7
29:29
better VR compatibility luckily I don't need it anymore cuz that Alpha thing or
29:33
beta whatever is gone so it's fine um but yeah it tried to upgrade to Windows
29:38
10 all on its little Lonesome good old little independent computer trying to do
29:42
its own stuff and it failed and it bricked my Windows OS so I was able to
29:48
very easily recover files cuz I have an external Bay thing sitting right there
29:51
so it's like okay SSD Shunk take whatever I needed off of it which wasn't
29:55
much cuz I don't save much on there put it back in reformat at now I'm
29:59
officially running on Windows 10 cuz I didn't Breck
30:02
it thanks Microsoft I tweeted out about that and Timmy was like no
30:09
problem I was like I understand that's not your department I'm sorry yeah yeah
30:15
so that was uh that was rough thanks for yeah so there's a lot of problems here
30:19
temporarily there's actually like super duper a lot of problems here I mean
30:23
number number one is calling an an
30:28
operating system change a recommended
30:32
update is not really and pushing it
30:36
automatically I mean for the techsavvy people like someone like Luke where
30:42
learning how to use Windows 10 is is not going to be much of a challenge it was
30:46
fine and like recovering my files and reforming my computer in a grand total
30:50
of like a couple hours wasn't really a big deal but like Grandma who like
30:54
barely knows how to use her computer as it is Geek Squad is going to make a lot
30:57
of money yeah Geek Squad is going to be happy about this one I'll tell you that
31:01
much that is a very good point yeah so problem number two with doing a a a
31:06
system upgrade in this way is that if
31:11
you manage to get into the operating system and are able to access the roll
31:15
back feature I believe the roll back feature does still exist I could not
31:19
recover however there's a reason that
31:24
any update firmware update for a mouse
31:28
or uh or or a driver update for whatever
31:31
or a software update will always say
31:34
okay make sure that there's not going to be a sudden power loss in the middle of
31:38
this process um you know hey make sure that you back up any important Data
31:43
before we do this I mean I have seen some updates that have super nothing to
31:47
do with my data recommend backing up my
31:51
data before I proceed because that's just that's just common sense that's
31:56
covering your butt as a software maker to say hey back up your data we're not
32:01
responsible for any data loss that may occur during this process for Microsoft
32:07
to completely forgo that due diligence and potentially
32:12
cause people to spend money at Geek Squad
32:16
or lose data something that is so
32:20
difficult to attach a value to one quick second effective monkey in the chat said
32:24
your GF probably tried turning off the computer in the middle no she didn't
32:29
just putting that out there I've seen the Windows 10 upgrade fail I have
32:32
literally sat and watched it fail so it can happen I knew it wouldn't have
32:36
worked because I had tried it already and was like okay there's something
32:40
wrong with my system it's not working for Windows 10 whatever I just won't upgrade that's fine um and I had to do
32:46
this like crazy recovery process I tried doing doing it again this time and it
32:49
didn't work uh it wasn't her fault she didn't do anything wrong sorry continue
32:54
so I mean I think Microsoft is opening the elves up to a very significant class
33:01
action here you know anyone who lost you
33:04
know precious photos of their cat or
33:07
whatever babies or babies that's going to be the first big one that comes out I
33:11
lost photos of my uh deceased family
33:15
member or like babies or graduation stuff like some form of super important
33:20
can't do it again will happen and then that will be very bad and and like you
33:25
know yeah wow and this just seems crazy to me and you
33:30
know what's even crazier is like they did this by accident before and then
33:34
rolled it back this time purpose it's on purpose and they are apparently even
33:39
doing Windows 10 upgrade notifications on business PCS now which is like I mean
33:46
there's so much more to a business infrastructure than just Windows and and
33:51
office like there's a lot of stuff that
33:54
straight up has quirks and compatibility issues going from one version of Windows
33:59
to another even though look at like Premier and stuff 7 to 8 to 8.1 to 10
34:03
has been relatively seamless you know when you compare it to XP to Vista for
34:09
example um there are still issues like we've had premere issues that was a
34:13
great example where the new Premiere update was what was it bricked on 8.1
34:19
but not on seven my Oculus something
34:22
like that yeah yeah what was the issue with the Oculus it just I just that some
34:26
people were able to get it work with like certain USB it was USB drivers or
34:30
something certain USB drivers for certain types of USB 3.0 or 2.0 ports in
34:35
combination with whatever might work on certain Windows 10 machines or you can
34:40
go to Windows 7 and it's fine we got a lot of people talking
34:44
about their Windows 10 upgrade experiences so spoko in the in the chat
34:48
says Windows 10 upgrade failed with no clear error until I set my boot order to
34:51
boot directly from the Windows SSD instead of grub on another SSD by
34:55
complete trial and error and this is the kind of stuff that again like we're
34:59
saying is no big deal for the techsavvy
35:02
you know Linux users out
35:06
there but for Grandma oh man Grandma
35:11
probably won't have grub installed but like the point Remains the point remains
35:15
when I first got the Razer Blade 14 my
35:18
the first unit that I got um I like set everything up created my
35:24
user account and I was like oh I wonder if I can get the Windows 10 on here woo
35:29
there it is Boom did it failed I had to factory restore and I
35:33
had to try it again and it worked there you go yeah like my fully updated
35:38
Windows 7 that I had been using that was the one that failed the update and
35:41
basically bricked its own operating system when I reinstalled Windows with
35:45
one of my oldest Windows 7 isos because it had to fit on a 4 gig USB um with
35:50
like no updates I manually went to the Microsoft get Windows 10 website did it
35:54
immediately off the bat and it worked perfectly this is great someone says um
35:58
Microsoft flight simulator 10 does not work on Windows 10 cently I think I have
36:02
actually heard that I don't remember what the issue was
36:07
related to but U but there you go that's a perfect example it's Microsoft's own
36:10
software I mean I know it's old oh yeah but the point is like you know if I've
36:15
got you know my my flight Sim rig in a in a closet somewhere you know with the
36:19
everything kind of tucked out of the way I really don't want it to just automatically update itself and I and I
36:23
don't touch it for two weeks or two months let's say you know maybe don't
36:27
use it all the time and you come back and what yeah so what now I have to roll
36:34
back if that works and or reformat or like are you freaking kidding
36:39
me all right what else we got here it's funny too because like a couple days
36:45
before last night when this all happened I was like I should probably look into
36:50
like downloading some tool that blocks the I wasn't even thinking he was going
36:53
to do it automatically but the little Annoying popup that's like you should get Windows 10 I was like I should just
36:58
you know get some tool that blocks that from happening cuz that's a little Annoying and like I might as well do
37:02
that so I was like yeah maybe this weekend I'll spend some time and like
37:06
make sure I can block Windows 10 updates and then it's just like boom wrecked
37:10
okay maybe you saw that coming it's like it was already annoying it was already like move please move please move please
37:15
move please and then it's like just go go can you be slightly less
37:21
pushy Windows um actually there's one
37:24
more there's one more funny thing um
37:28
apparently and I haven't actually seen the original statement here so this is
37:32
this is from my notes in the doc so you have to forgive me apparently
37:36
Microsoft's response in a blog post says
37:40
that if you are on a metered connection on Windows 7 or 8.1 and you don't want
37:45
this download to occur then you can just turn off automatic updates just like uh
37:52
what so I'm just supposed to not get security patches because I don't want
37:57
upgrade my operating system like I get it you guys are trying
38:02
to Super hardcore aggressively EOL
38:05
Windows 10 or Windows 7 and Windows 8 and 8.1 like you don't want to create
38:09
another XP situation where they I think
38:12
I believe they still have active contracts with what was it the US Navy
38:17
or something yeah to support Windows XP because like ships run on it but so I
38:24
get it you're trying to EOL those operating systems you're trying to get everyone onto Windows 10 but you have to
38:30
understand that even as Windows 10 evolves you know maybe in the same way
38:34
that OS 10 has was that a coincidence I wonder um where where it gets all these
38:39
different cats or mountains or whatever um you are still going to have to
38:44
support this stuff because even these small incremental updates are going to
38:47
break compatibility I mean there's all sorts of stuff that works in you know
38:52
Bengal but doesn't work in house cab all
38:55
that all that Microsoft checks for is driver stuff they don't check for
39:00
software stuff and there it's so much deeper than that I mean it really is I
39:03
mean I will give them Kudos Windows update does a way better
39:09
job of drivers than it used to on Windows 10 it's like actually really
39:12
good like even like those weird ulx 10 gig Nicks you boot into the operating
39:17
system boom drivers installed for it no big deal the setup time on Windows 10 is
39:21
very fast yeah so I will give them that
39:24
but they are still nowhere
39:28
on application compatibility they basically haven't touched it and I get
39:32
it like there are there are more that's
39:35
crazy Windows applications then you could count if you started counting
39:39
today 1 2 3 four five six like you
39:42
couldn't count that high sorry not in your lifetime um so I get it but it
39:47
means you can't do stuff like this yes
39:51
it's you don't have an App Store where
39:55
developers are required to maintain
39:58
their own database of compatibility in a way that the store understands and can
40:02
interpret for the user like like the setup time is fast
40:07
like uh last night when it screwed up I was like well I have to reset up
40:10
everything for stream tomorrow um and
40:14
like it's basically there now so I got
40:17
home at like 9 and I was able to do that a reasonable time before I went to bed
40:21
that's pretty good but I definitely
40:25
should not have had to do that all right all right let's get into our next thing
40:29
that no one should have had to do this was posted by oh uh right
40:34
um uh okay no one should have had to look at an ugly website
40:39
Squarespace so if you're not familiar with Squarespace at all may I suggest
40:44
that you go back and watch some of our awesome coverage of CES yeah hey there
40:48
was a lot of cool stuff at the show this year there was and all of it was brought
40:52
to you by Squarespace so at the end of literally
40:56
every single one of those those videos there's a whole rundown of like how it
40:59
works yep I I got to the point where like throughout the day I would try to
41:04
cover all the points but each video didn't necessarily contain every point
41:07
but we'll run through all the points of why Squarespace is awesome now first up
41:13
they worked with Jeff Bridges second up it's not wrong they
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had a Super Bowl commercial also not wrong third their logo is really cool
41:24
it's like it's like an s and it's like
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kind of squiggly I think it's a great logo fourth they're Bros yeah good
41:35
people over there we like Squarespace five I guess the thing that they
41:40
actually do so Squarespace allows you to build your own beautiful website using
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one of their great templates that has all kinds of features so whether you
41:47
want to use their logo designer to create a cool logo or you want to uh
41:51
create a store where people can buy like
41:54
knickknacks that you make or or whatever else so you want to create a tools to
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avoid updating Windows 10 yeah yeah say for example you created a website about
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that boom you could do it on Squarespace and their PL start at just $8 a month
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42:26
I could use an affordable way to run my own website even if it's just for like I
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freshbooks is the accounting solution for you also cloud-based but in a very
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different sort of way so you can use your phone to do things like track how
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many hours you're spending on a project you can track the expenses yeah you can
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44:40
businesses and they can benefit from fresh books if you want to spend more
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time running your business and less time screwing around with accounting nonsense
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especially if you are not a numbers person so we've actually got something
44:54
else we can move on to today that is different from what we normally do this
44:58
is our build of the what is it moment
45:03
moment we just call it moment because like week died super hard and then month
45:08
like it became like half year basically
45:12
so uh I guess it's moment now that was a
45:16
probably Whaler so we got a featured build for you guys do you want to drop us out of the out of the frame there
45:20
let's go ahead so um the voters pick and
45:24
this one was made project ravage by clown face 1511 so let's go ahead and
45:29
walk through I haven't actually looked at this yet but it has some ba specs
45:33
what's up I didn't want to delete it oh so you just put yourself well that's as
45:38
far out as the frame I can f you you us no no no I don't want to do it anymore
45:41
you're in the corner I don't want you're I don't want to do it anymore I'm not
45:45
doing it I'm just going to control the slideshow you do it okay but you you have to stay the person on screen there
45:50
you go there's an Intel Core i7 5960x and a Seuss x99 Deluxe 3.1 2 GB
45:56
reference 980 TI an EVGA Supernova P2
45:59
1200 W power supply uh 16 gigs of gskill
46:02
rip Jaws memory okay no more of that um
46:07
apparently it is a awesome looking desk computer look at that water cooling arrangement in the top holy smokes I
46:12
love super clean runs DIY like crazy like look at this that's
46:18
pretty sick I'm loving the way this is set up like you got no interference from
46:22
the legs it's got really good support right here it looks it looks so strong
46:27
it looks really strong but not in like it doesn't look like shop Furniture no
46:33
no no no no it looks like like the you know the modern like industrial design
46:37
style furniture stuff yeah yeah I like it damn no to a fans I was just going to
46:41
say lius is going to like the fans too whoa that is some intricate Hardline
46:48
work right there that is not easy what
46:51
is going on right there that looks
46:55
really clean that is gorgeous opt yeah
46:59
yeah fan freaking tastic wow oh and look
47:03
at that desk surface oh I like how it only actually Peaks through in that one
47:06
part that actually looks really cool that is absolutely sick I love how
47:11
monstrous that computer is love the finished desk shot here that monitor and
47:16
the and the trophies the trophies the boxes from the hardware power supply and
47:20
motherboard boxes very very nice wow
47:24
gorgeous machine all right let's move on to our second one so this that was the
47:27
Community Choice and this one is the staff Choice from the LT Forum staff
47:33
this prey.com thing has gotten a lot better since the first time we tried to
47:36
use it cuz that was a disaster yep all right so this
47:41
is by Stefan 1024 the silent Cube so a
47:46
little bit more down to earth Hardware but still really really good yeah just
47:51
wait till you see it wow I'm loving that copper block is
47:56
that is that is that homemade pretty sure wow I haven't actually read the
48:02
build log so sorry I'm not entirely sure that that looks it looks very custom to
48:07
me and like do you see there's the the cube so wait go go yeah you can see it
48:12
there it's open a bit okay forward oh
48:15
gosh darn it okay here we go there you
48:18
go wow damn heat sinks
48:23
though look at that
48:27
so that's actually it's kind of funny that that came that's how I thought the
48:30
Microsoft underwater servers were going to work just having the walls be giant
48:34
heat SN fins yeah that's interesting but
48:38
nope very interesting look how big it is
48:43
I love it the oh look at that thermal thermal camera shot even this is a
48:48
serious machine here man yeah that's actually super cool that is
48:53
fantastic I mean the lengths that some people will go to to silence their
48:58
computers although I believe that my
49:02
project while not as cool as this one no
49:06
that's pretty amazing is actually a little bit crazier if not on the same
49:11
level where I go as far as to remove the computer from the room oh just like like
49:17
I I don't mean crazy like in terms of the skill involved or anything I mean
49:20
crazy in terms of like how mental I must
49:23
be to care that much about about a
49:26
little bit of computer hum where I'm going to be like nope nope the computer
49:30
may not be in the same room as me anymore yeah it it will it must be
49:34
removed it will no longer be in the room with me I maintain that there's there's
49:40
acceptable amounts of computer home nope
49:43
that's okay that you think that's
49:48
fine I'm glad you approved thank you but
49:51
I just like it's I just don't mind and it has to be like a certain tone like if
49:56
I can hear the airf flow that's fine if I can literally hear the fan that's
50:00
maybe not good rattle is the worst yes yeah I don't like rattle but if it's
50:03
like it's probably fine all right let's
50:06
get a let's get a straw let's get a straw pull up computer
50:11
noise does it matter yes no turn up okay
50:16
well that's not as simple as it cuz I don't like computer noise in
50:21
general a little like acceptable ah but
50:26
acceptable Mount is into let's say somewhat somewhat yeah okay so somewhat
50:30
for like if you can hear the air flowing stuff but there's no Rattle and whatnot
50:33
yeah okay so there we go guys we want to we want to hear from you guys let's hit
50:37
that straw pole all right let's see these results do you want to screen
50:40
share me and do you want to uh fire up our next topic while we uh while these
50:44
results come in we could do one of our rapid fires or
50:49
something like oh no let's do the dad the dad so this is bananas this was
50:54
posted by aluminum Tech on the Forum about a dad who spent a night in jail
50:59
after confiscating his daughter's iPhone now to be
51:04
clear the headline is somewhat
51:09
sensationalist there is more to this the
51:12
dad was not put in jail
51:16
for confiscating his daughter's iPhone
51:20
for an hour that he gave her it is a
51:23
little more complicated than that so the iPhone was actually provided by his by
51:28
the daughter's mother his ex-wife and he
51:32
took it and kept it for a long period of time so it was
51:37
actually the ex-wife is arguing her
51:41
property and that him taking it was T
51:45
amount to stealing so this is a whole other level
51:52
of family crazy yeah that I'm glad that I don't have to be involved in yeah so
51:58
it looks like pretty much everyone agrees with you and pretty much no one agrees with me so I'm pretty much done
52:03
with that straw pull um no there's a fair amount of people that agree with
52:06
you uh hold on let's uh so hold on I want to bring this up so the original
52:09
article here that we um that was posted on the Forum was from Mashable so
52:14
there's a picture of a phone there's other than that it's a whole lot of text
52:17
you want to fire us back to uh back to full screen there we go if I had a midi
52:21
controller this would be sick so basically he confiscated his daughter's
52:25
cell phone as a punish M for sending quote unquote inappropriate text back in
52:30
2013 he was found guilt not guilty on Tuesday by the way so so this is this is
52:35
this is why we're hearing about it now was that the the Judgment just came
52:39
through um and is going to file a
52:43
complaint for civil rights violation because his take on the whole thing is
52:47
that it was I don't remember what word he used but basically it was
52:50
ridiculous and he he said his 12-year-old daughter was trying to
52:54
organize an attack on another minor so he confiscated the phone and I can think
53:00
of a hundred reasons like I've got kids I can think of a hundred reasons why I
53:04
would confiscate their phone yeah and to
53:07
not be allowed to do that as a parental
53:11
discipline measure even if the phone was provided
53:15
and the bill was paid or whatever by or even if the phone was provided by
53:20
whoever by whoever it was too bad yeah you're a minor you're
53:25
12 a phone is a privilege when you're 12
53:29
and if you're using it for something that is deemed inappropriate as a parent
53:34
you don't get to have that anymore too freaking bad a phone is not an inali
53:38
right it's not food it's not shelter it's not water it's not
53:43
sleep um so anyway a few hours he didn't
53:46
sell it he didn't do anything with it he just yeah so a few hours after he
53:51
grabbed the phone the police showed up so the mother who owned the phone said you can't take someone's property
53:55
regardless if you're a parent or not so I can already tell exactly what she
53:59
sounded like when she was saying that like I can picture that idiot in my head
54:04
right now U with that said you know we don't know what his history with her is
54:10
and we don't know you know why she would have taken that particular stance I'm
54:14
not judging anyone here I'm just saying I can imagine what that person Probably
54:20
sounds like the father turned down a
54:23
plea deal which would have involved turning over the phone and spent one
54:27
night in jail because he refused to give it back so that's a fun relationship says
54:32
that the dispute has rendered any future relationship with his daughter and her
54:36
mother impossible holy
54:41
crap people are mad people are fre it's not just in
54:47
twitch chat people are
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mad I mean here's a really crazy thing when he refused to take the deal um the
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Dallas County District Attorney's Office UPS the charges to Class B misdemeanor
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which in Texas could be a $2,000 fine
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and up to 6 months in jail oh my God I
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mean you have got to be freaking kidding me here you can change it if you don't
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take a plea that seems kind of I'm not actually
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sure I mean what we need John's help
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what yeah we need Jon's help like what charge you are trying to apply to
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someone I mean when it's a crime that is so
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difficult to classify taking a phone as a parent
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temporarily but that isn't yours because it belongs to the other parent who you
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are no longer sharing finances with like but okay even if it was the
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kids as a parent wouldn't you be allowed to take
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it oh wow hold on a second like if the
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kid Works wow hold on yeah okay okay we we need to do straw pull straw pull here
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let me let me create the STW we just get John would just then we then we'll
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discuss okay sure you need to make a new
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that's view okay so 12 year old's phone
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could a 12-year-old have a okay inappropriate use like let's say they
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were using it to organ let's say that what he said is true they are clearly
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using it to organize an attack on another minor or something so there is a
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there is a safety reason yeah okay so
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12-year-old's phone inap rate use okay for parent to
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confiscate if it is their property yes
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no wow this is
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complicated wow this is complicated I would probably vote for that one I still
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think yeah I don't know because I think
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we can agree that unless there is okay H so
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organize an attack like let's say there okay let's call it bullying let's say
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that you know it's something where it's clearly wrong but there isn't
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necessarily a law in place like there is
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hey we're well I mean okay is there a law in place that you can't pie someone
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at school that's assault is it assault yeah okay let's let's come up with
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something let's come up with something that's mean but not illegal you can call someone
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names or is that verbal assault I mean is there a charge threatening cuz
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threatening there's a charge for I think well I don't know if you call someone
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Dumbo ears or something like it's not a threat you're not
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threatening to take their ears yeah so
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let's say let's say they're just let's say they're just coordinating being mean
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okay mean in some way that is we're not going to try and figure out what's legal
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some way that's legal yeah mean in some way that's legal okay slander [ __ ]
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there's a law against like everything yeah I know so don't worry about it it's mean
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in some way that is legal but the 12-year-old owns the phone
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okay so I think we can all agree that if you're an adult and you're talking about
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like pulling a prank on your friends or being mean to them or something unless
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you're doing something illegal no one has the right to take your stuff from
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you that would be theft unless the police with a
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warrant can take it from you cuz this is this is interesting too but or probable
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probable cause or whatever cannot teachers can hold things can't they
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because we're talking about minors yeah so then wouldn't your parents be
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able to almost no matter what it is right because the teacher can the
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teacher can take it but then that's created issues as well yeah because the
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asthma inhaler or whatever yeah teachers confiscating things logical and then the
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phone because of emergencies has been has been an issue but the idea that
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they're able to do it has that actually been stopped uh some are saying uh as a
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teacher no they cannot teachers have no right to take stuff apparently oh so
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there you go I it's something that definitely happened when we were in school and it still happens yeah
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definitely still happens totally a thing maybe that's a Canadian thing but
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apparently they they cannot do it um they cannot do it NE and this is going
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to vary from place to place anyway let's let's go to our straw pole results I'm
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going to go with I'm going to go with yes um I'm going to agree with with most
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people here if it belongs to them they're using it for something in
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appropriate too bad and like that you're
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just GNA have to have the conversation where what if they're not using it for
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something inappropriate ah so if they do something else they don't eat their
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dinner and you're like I'm going to take your phone if you don't eat your dinner yeah not not to call out my my parents
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my parents are wonderful I love my parents but like if I did
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something wrong or if I was a little a
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little jerk for whatever reason no Nintendo yeah or they'd like take my my
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speakers away I had this speaker system in my room or like you can't use your
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you can't use your Nintendo you can't use your Xbox you can't game on the computer you can't do whatever it is you
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can't do something you can't use this we are taking this like there is one point
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in time where I had to Forfeit my radio or whatever my mom held it in her room
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and took it it wasn't because I was using the radio it was because of something else so it wasn't because of
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inappropriate use of the radio so it actually had nothing to do with the
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radio so we've got someone bringing up that the I personally think that's okay
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the ex-wife did it only because she doesn't like him and wants to make his life difficult we know that but we were
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we're what we're just discussing is the is the not necessarily even the legality
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but the the right like like what is your
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what what what makes something theft
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yeah so if you were to buy your game
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console yourself is it theft if your
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parents tell you if they take it well
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what they could do is they could say you're not allowed to use it you may not
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use our electricity to power
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that but can they take it
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away I don't know everything is gray
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right now yeah it is we need John yeah
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John John John should I just get John uh no it's okay I think we should probably
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move on to the next topic yeah he's probably gone for the day anyway yeah um
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someone said it's called parenting that's kind of my thing on it like my my parents Tak away my speaker cuz I was a
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little jerkhole is like is super okay
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fine and made him the stunning man that he pointed out to me that he is um today
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no seriously though like it's I yeah if
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you if you how like you can't hit them
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anymore yeah you can't take their stuff away I don't know that spanking is
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illegal oh yeah I'm pretty sure Corporal P punishment is actually still legal
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it's just Society has decided that you can't do that and I personally don't
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believe that's effective anyway um I
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mean no cuz like my not bring it my parents again they'd break like a spoon
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or a hairbrush or something on us my brother and I would just like laugh and be like we
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win so like maybe not without getting too deep
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into this I do actually think that there's a time
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and a place I was spanked once one time
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growing up and it was done at a very young age and I remember it to this day
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now if it had happened all the time I think it's kind of like
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swearing if someone who never swears
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swears very impactful you go what yeah
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they've made their point whatever just happened was really painful or really
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upsetting or whatever the case may be but someone who swears all the time you
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don't even notice it starts to just become part of the Casual flow of conversation so I got spanked for
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pulling a wicked tantrum in Safeway
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because I wasn't allowed to have a donut like I'm talking the actual like kicking
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like like scooting myself around on my back yelling on the floor in the middle
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of the grocery store T ter so my
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dad dropped the groceries put them down in the store
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physically picked me up took me to the car
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and K flop yep gave me the old don't do
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that and I remember that now to my
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mom I believe she only spanked one of my
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siblings once one of my other siblings once like like it it was not a thing in
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my family hiden um but what happened was
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she ran away down the street without
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telling anyone where she was going when she was about you know four or something
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like that and I think it was just one of
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those I don't know what else to do
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um do not do that and to her to this day
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she still remembers the incident and never did that again so I don't know
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this isn't parenting tips I don't I have no problem with my what my parents did
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but then at the same time my brother and I both like played football and like
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getting hit with something really wasn't that big of a deal and I have no problem
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with what my parents did with that said I've never hit my kids I don't plan to
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hit my kids I don't think it's the best way to I don't think it's the best way
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to reinforce the correct behavior um
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yeah I guess like I'm not judging I'm saying I don't disagree with what my
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parents did it's not what I plan to do it's not how I train dogs I'm never
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going to have kids but it's not how I train dogs yeah some people train dogs
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that way and I I don't like that so
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whatever I mean I don't know
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man yeah I don't know the thing about pain is it's Nature's teacher that is
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for sure pain tells you you touch a hot stove element don't do that anymore with
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dogs I just but there's other ways to make them
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realize there's other forms of pain to well dogs are dogs are a little bit
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different because like with dogs there's there's a
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dominance thing yeah so you can like you know like it would be very common like I
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I had a dog when I was growing up and if he did something like really really way
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out of line then you know like if he was running after and trying to kill one of
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the chickens and I had to like catch him you know grab the Scruff of the neck
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grab around the neck don't choke but grab grab the neck look in the eye right
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in his face no little Bop on the nose it
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doesn't hurt but it tells him who's boss I have no problem with that but you
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never hurt a dog you can do like yeah
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like emotional stuff like getting right in his face and saying no it's going to make an awkward situation he'll be like
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oh wow what was I doing the similar thing with anyways yeah but there's
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there's there's a lot of different ways to deal with this stuff and I don't think that pain is the right answer
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necessarily although I will say that the one animal that I have ever resorted to
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pain with is a cow they are actually too stupid to
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live it was the only way that I could
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move him like I'm talking I'm talking
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like like like I and he was big right he's a cow okay like I would get behind
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and I would push him as hard as I can I would I would pull I would have all my
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way and pushing as hard as I could on the ground on a halter on his head and
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it would just be
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like go ahead and try with that cow I
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would I would and I would even like I would even like push him with my foot on
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his butt like try to get him to move cuz once I got him moving he would go to his
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stall but he would refuse to move so it
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got to the point where I would actually have to kind of take a run at it and and
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and like push with my feet as hard as I could and then he would kind of go and
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then he would move just the stupidest the stupidest creature that I've ever
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encountered I find it kind of interesting and I wonder like some
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psychologist has probably done some research on this and stuff but you
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remember what you were doing where why
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all that kind of stuff I just remember breaking the thing I don't remember what
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I was doing I don't remember what I was being punished for I don't remember where it was I just remember the the
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hairbrush breaking and being like yeah like I don't remember anything other
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than that at all I don't remember what I was doing
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where when why I don't know what age I was I don't even remember who was doing
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it like I don't remember which one was banking I have no idea that's
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hilarious not a clue all right well I think we've run
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out of time we didn't manage to cover a lot of topics today but you guys don't
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seem to care there's 7600 of you watching the show um number of armchair
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lawyers in twitch chat right now so so painful oh John wanted us to bring him
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on you know what I actually am not gone come get me I have a babysitter at home
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I have to go if you want to continue the stream with John then that's cool but I
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actually have to peace okay um we should do an Afterparty then I will bring okay
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sure so thanks for watching The W show guys we will see you again next week
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chist with me thank you for watching
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okay goodbye