The WAN Show: AMD Mantle, Phone Bloatware Banned, Source Engine 2, Jan 31th, 2014

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0:01 welcome to the WAN Show guys the weekly show where we talk about all kinds of
0:06 things to do with my little pony the latest furry trends and of course
0:11 whatever's on sale at hot topic so first up we've got as far as hot topics are
0:15 concerned AMD oh this is a tech show
0:19 yeah AMD mantle the battlefield 4 patch
0:23 is here but don't worry too much about it because there's no driver yet nope
0:28 however it should be noted there's an email in my inbox i will not confirm
0:32 that i have read the email but what i will say is that it's from
0:37 the same pr firm that amc you've read at least the
0:41 from i know who it's from have you read the subject line no i haven't read the
0:44 subject but i will say that that email was probably promising so i don't think
0:48 we'll be waiting that much longer our next our next headline this is kind of
0:53 awesome backblaze is creating sensationalist viral publicity for
0:58 themselves again there was actually an excellent
1:01 excellent article done up by tweektown about how flawed their testing
1:06 methodology was when they basically came out and said like seagate hard drives
1:10 are garbage so we'll be going through that a huge props to tweak town for that
1:14 article south korea has just been like nope no
1:18 bloatware on mobile phones completely banned which is super nice there's a few
1:21 things like wi-fi connectivity is allowed to be hidden but it's like
1:26 come on what are you trying to do it's like bloatware is not is now removable
1:31 which is nice source 2 engine leak and possibly a game leak that ends in three
1:36 although we'll get into that more later yes we
1:40 will
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2:25 possible so without further ado let's jump right
2:29 into our first topic AMD mantle oh you
2:33 didn't want to do that one first no i said boom yeah boom AMD mantle so
2:37 there's been a whole bunch of news over the last little while it's finally
2:41 coming the battlefield 4 driver is
2:44 finally actually dropped like or did i say driver i'm sorry patch the
2:48 battlefield 4 patch has freudian slip is finally here you can actually install it
2:54 although there won't be any point doing that unless you're running an AMD graphics card that's based on the gcn
2:58 architecture not that there would be a point for you if you did have one of those graphics
3:02 cards anyway you could pre-load it you could pre-load
3:05 it and be ready to rock um but we're we're finally getting a ton more data
3:11 and here it is so while you can't install
3:15 the driver yet we have reason to believe that you'll be able to get access to it very very soon and this was the thought
3:21 was the thing that i thought was most interesting out of out of all the
3:24 information that's out there right now so AMD has released a little bit of
3:30 information about sort of what kind of performance improvements folks can
3:34 expect to see using mantle and i think many people were expecting their
3:40 graphics card to sprout wings and fly
3:43 so they were expecting to take like an r9 290x and
3:49 i thought you know have that go have that all of a
3:53 sudden be you know deep into the double digits percentages faster when that's
3:57 not necessarily the case
4:00 what mantle will do is it will alleviate
4:04 CPU bottlenecking so if you were in a
4:07 situation where i think one of the examples they give here yeah is a multi
4:11 or is a 64 player multiplayer game so
4:14 there's a 7970 and an fx 8350 where
4:18 previously directx might not have allowed the CPU to fully leverage all
4:23 those cores remember that's an 8-core CPU and you might have been CPU limited
4:29 even that 7970 which is a reasonably powerful graphics card well now with
4:32 mantle they're saying you can expect maybe even a 25 performance improvement
4:37 um by allowing your CPU to become unfettered now
4:41 i've seen i've seen reports of particularly with very high end graphics
4:45 cards the improvements being on the lower side i've seen reports of with
4:49 high-end graphics card the improvements being you know very exceptional but i
4:53 think it's really going to depend on what type of level you're playing what
4:57 type of scenario you're doing um and it's also going to depend on what the
5:01 actual finished product looks like because i haven't seen anything super
5:04 official yet this is mostly like leap stuff here and there a big part is gonna
5:09 be like you said levels uh area what's going on are you playing single player
5:12 are you playing a 64 player configuration all that kind of stuff and
5:15 the exact configuration of your machine do you have something that's underpowered in some area you have
5:20 something that's massively overpowered in another area so it's going to come
5:23 down to like the the perfect storm of all the different things happening to
5:26 exactly how much performance you're going to gain out of it you know what's funny i had it echoing i
5:31 had my twitch stream going every week
5:35 not every week every week and and and barefoot's better
5:42 what do people know
5:46 whatever barefoot's better man anyway so what we'd like i guess you know what i'd
5:50 love to do a twitter blitz for this what do you guys want to see us compare
5:54 because we're in one of those privileged positions where we have access to all
5:58 the hardware and i'm going to give you guys three options so option number one
6:03 is high-end cpus high-end graphics cards
6:08 take another run at battlefield 4 except
6:11 with AMD we run mantel with NVIDIA we run directx and see how things fall
6:17 or would you rather rather than comparing high-end graphics cards with
6:21 high-end cpus would you rather we have a look at the impact of mantle on low-end
6:27 cpus and we instead take one high-end
6:30 graphics card let's say a radio on r9 290 or something like that and we take a
6:34 range of different cpus or would you rather actually that was
6:39 pretty much all i had what would you rather we do because we're not going to be able to do
6:43 everything i think AMD's promised me i'll have 24 hours before a public
6:48 uh driver is released you know to to run numbers so let's say would you guys want
6:52 us to focus on GPU performance with a single high-end CPU or CPU performance
6:57 with a single high-end GPU are we taking a tweak from this are we straw pulling
7:02 it uh we're tweeting okay yeah so i was just making sure yeah go ahead and just
7:06 uh just tweet us with what you would prefer to see
7:10 this is exciting oh actually there was one other bit of mantle news so i mean
7:14 we knew this was coming it's not really mantle but it's the latest uh the latest
7:17 driver from AMD that includes opencl 2.0 support hsa support for kaveri apus i
7:23 also have some pretty badass spreadsheet support yeah so libreoffice uh this was
7:28 posted on the forum by
7:31 the sls amg
7:34 the notification libreoffice is now supporting mantle what so mantle as well
7:40 as opencl and hsa are going to be a huge
7:44 emphasis for them when you're doing things and actually AMD had some
7:47 interesting use cases for this so one example was um
7:51 uh buying and selling stocks within very tight time frames so when
7:56 you have a live feed of data that you need your spreadsheet to calculate and
8:00 spit out new quotes as quickly as possible they were showing um
8:04 hsa on a kaveri apu versus an Intel
8:08 quad-core processor and how much faster it could update so how much more
8:12 granular the data you could get was and it was actually very impressive and so
8:16 while most people will give exactly this many
8:19 cares about libreoffice's ability to calculate spreadsheets slightly faster
8:24 there are people out there for whom this will be extremely important so
8:28 we can't just gloss over it it's just all of all of twitch shadows just like
8:32 what what it matters it might not matter to
8:37 you what but it matters how does this make my
8:42 game run faster all right let's move on to our next topic uh
8:46 valve's in-home streaming i don't know if you guys saw the video we did on it
8:49 already or not um i thought it was one of the best videos we've ever done i
8:53 worked extremely hard on it actually like my legs are tired because
8:58 the thing about in-home streaming is you have to have mirrored configurations of whatever it
9:02 is you're doing in both places so in this house that ended up being on two
9:07 separate floors for the sake of what i thought was going to be improved
9:12 convenience and not having to haul things not at all
9:15 in one place and then run new network cables and stuff it ended up being a lot of running back and forth up and down
9:19 the stairs but it was a lot of it was a lot of fun to do and i want you guys to
9:24 check it out and you guys aren't the only ones
9:28 that are going to be checking it out this was extremely exciting this is the
9:32 first time i have ever gotten any attention from valve in any way
9:35 whatsoever but on steamcommunity.com in
9:39 the home streaming group which you guys have to join if you want to have the
9:43 home streaming beta enabled for you i was actually featured
9:48 on their announcements tab there's also a uh
9:52 forum discussion thing going on about it too yeah with 131 comments there yeah so
9:56 i thought that was pretty much the coolest thing ever it felt like getting
10:00 a gold star of approval from gay ben himself it wasn't i know but it felt
10:04 like it at least they know who we are at least someone there someone at valve is
10:09 that we exist is aware of our existence and anyway it's a great
10:13 video i hope you guys enjoy it it was uh i realized there was one thing that i
10:18 actually kind of left out from the video and that was how good is the gaming
10:22 experience other than when it's like fundamentally
10:25 broken like on ifinity and 4k i actually didn't talk about it
10:30 so that was a bit of a glaring omission it's actually very good there is
10:34 noticeably more what feels like jitter um and there is it seems like sometimes
10:40 tearing is a little bit more noticeable but beyond that i mean latency wise when
10:45 you're running on a wired connection how'd it feel for you it was absolutely really good um the only time with
10:51 what configurations people expect to work that it was kind of weird was when
10:54 we had that really low powered system did you have that in the video um i did
10:57 and so do you mean the one where we were only getting 720p 30 FPS on the sapphire
11:02 machine right yeah so it's not as simple as does the machine have enough
11:07 horsepower to decode an h.264 stream
11:11 that's what i think a lot of people thought and it's not quite like that it
11:15 has to be able to do that while managing that network traffic while sending
11:19 commands the other way and then it seems to just do some extra
11:24 so a dual core e450 apu that's a very low power older apu was not enough for
11:30 1080p streaming but something like an ultrabook even a dual core core i5 or
11:34 core i7 ultrabook was able to handle 1080p just fine the only issue is that
11:39 most of them don't have Ethernet on board so
11:42 i actually just picked up a couple more of these usb to Ethernet adapters i'm going to be
11:47 doing a um a great tech under 100 episode again i'm
11:51 going to include this as well as a couple other really cool things that i've been using lately
11:55 well the problem is that i had never owned one before and so i'd always kind
12:00 of made do without it and then i bought one and all of a sudden
12:04 i need it all the time i use it during WAN Show i used a netbook to make a pf
12:08 sense router for my house so now all of a sudden it's tied up there and i'm like
12:12 oh crap okay yeah more required one for the bag
12:17 one for the wan showroom and i'll probably be buying more of them oh and this one this one right here this uh
12:23 plugable usb 2 Ethernet adapter is gigabit so 450 megabits per second max
12:28 obviously because it's usb 2 but it's also rumored to be compatible with
12:32 shield so stay tuned guys you could be getting a limelight
12:36 versus shield versus valve in home
12:39 streaming wired versus wireless
12:43 latency roundup over the next little bit
12:46 that's going to be really fun that's actually really cool it's going to be a nightmare to do all the benchmarking
12:50 it's going to be terrible it's going to be just
12:53 the worst thing ever but i'm really looking forward to you
12:57 yeah i hate my life
13:00 actually i love my life it's just sometimes i hate things about it
13:04 so we should yeah let's do our twitter blitz okay so nathan wants different cpus with the
13:10 kaveri apu for the best CPU i think you're a little confused nathan an apu
13:14 has a CPU on it i would say if possible run all the cpus
13:20 but at eight gig or 16 gig configurations that's not going to make
13:23 much of a difference ludwig mantle is not in any way rumored to um
13:29 optimize the use of more memory more system memory
13:33 um okay that's one option though running a lot
13:37 of cpus with maybe a couple different graphics cards so like one high end one
13:41 like you know 100 150 dollar card like a
13:44 entry level gaming what i say we do which this might be
13:48 aside from this but i'm assuming that i'm doing all the benchmarking
13:52 actually help with this because it's only one run and we have two accounts with bf4 one
13:57 bench we could have multiple benches
14:01 we have um so we could we could do two different you could do one i could do
14:05 the other one essentially because you could do cpus with one gps and i can do
14:09 the CPU with multiple gpus we could potentially
14:12 do this yeah yeah maybe we'll set aside some time monday sure um so leonard
14:16 wants mid-range AMD versus high-end NVIDIA just to see what happens there
14:20 that would be interesting that actually asks for GPU test first uh dexter wants
14:26 to see the high-end stuff let's see the heavyweight showdown i mean you know
14:29 what that's i think what most people are going to be interested in too
14:33 ashley wants the apu tests uh one over option two
14:38 okay toxin sandals is better than barefoot thank you marius
14:41 the lone pc gamer do both options while rendering a video i think most people
14:46 don't game while they're rendering videos in the background maybe i'm
14:50 generalizing but i think in general it's correct i've
14:53 done that yeah i've done it too back when i used to have to edit but i think most people
14:59 usually don't running vms while trying to edit things was always really
15:02 interesting
15:07 anyways all right so take mid-range cpus and the same cards we're seeing actually a fair
15:13 bit of each CPU modder asks for both
15:17 CPU range comparing directx versus mantle sounds like apples and pairs well
15:22 it's apple okay this this okay i'm about
15:25 to go on a rant here levi i'm sorry but you've you've um you've started this
15:30 you take the responsibility this is the problem with fanboyism
15:35 there is no such thing as an unfair
15:38 comparison i'm gonna let that sink in yes there is
15:42 okay there's such thing as a flock
15:45 we're going to be covering back please
15:49 oh okay no no no there's a flawed experiment
15:52 but a correctly a correctly conducted experiment can't be unfair well that
15:57 means you're removing the unfair no okay oh okay okay cause there is
16:02 unflavored experiments hold on a second because okay okay okay
16:06 unfair i mean like emotionally unfair
16:09 like it's not it's not fair to benchmark
16:12 AMD versus NVIDIA and tomb raider because the 780 ti is bugged in tomb
16:16 raider that's not unfair that's just
16:20 it doesn't perform well sorry that's not unfair
16:24 it's a perfectly good experiment it's just that one of the things failed and
16:29 didn't do well that's all and an experiment is designed to reveal these
16:33 things so if you were to say it's unfair
16:37 to compare NVIDIA running in directx mode in a particular game that supports
16:41 mental versus AMD running mantle that's not unfair that's a feature that they
16:47 don't have that's it that's all there is to it if
16:51 this one performs better but at reduced image quality well now we've introduced
16:56 other variables and we have to talk about that but all other things being
16:59 the same if this one runs like this and it has this extra thing and this one
17:04 doesn't that's that that's it that's all there is to it i think i think there can
17:08 be unfairs and i think you just said one you could have different image qualities
17:12 there could be something it's still an experiment i really okay from talking to
17:16 uh johann anderson uh back at NVIDIA's event and this was at NVIDIA's event
17:22 he did not expect there to be any image quality difference between mental health
17:25 direct this is i'm not i'm not saying there is i'm saying not not i meant like
17:29 if you go in and go from very high to medium
17:33 that's unbelievable yeah but that's not unfair that's just stupid yeah but it's
17:36 still in fact that's just doing it wrong it's stupid and unfair okay but okay
17:40 fine then if there's no such thing as utilizing a product to its full
17:44 potential being unfair there you go so
17:48 you're you're putting both of them in the best possible configuration they can
17:52 be in and testing them against each other that's completely that's fine
17:55 that's exactly what we're going to do and that's fine like back when AMD was
17:59 having a lot of trouble with frame pacing taking an NVIDIA sli
18:03 configuration versus name due crossfire configuration and saying this destroys
18:07 this was fair yep i'm sorry your driver isn't good or not
18:11 as good as your competitor that's not unfair it's just fact yeah and until
18:15 it's fixed it's just fact and you have to deal with it so i don't want to hear
18:19 about unfair that's all in in that yes
18:23 yeah we're gonna we're gonna let things be as good as they possibly can as long as
18:28 it's not hurting the experience we are not intervening in some way that is
18:32 nerfing one of them in some way to make it worse than the other
18:36 we are allowing them both to go as hard as they can
18:42 for as long as they can
18:45 all right so this is interesting i did not expect anyone to do this it was like
18:50 fast you know he announced yeah the first version of it on the after party
18:53 wait this is v1 yeah oh i changed your
18:56 link oh you changed my link it didn't whatever your link was didn't work
19:01 no i thought that was a no i'm pretty sure i had uh a newer link whatever your
19:06 link was there was no download button it did not work
19:09 is this newer uh you can if you delete oh no this has
19:13 been this has been updated he says uh he says we won so yeah like i'm pretty sure
19:16 this is the newest one if you delete that end part of the url
19:19 so i challenged someone last week watching the stream i said look it's
19:23 open there's a lot of audio anyone who wants to do it what
19:27 oh my goodness okay are you sure you wanted to open
19:32 that Linus yes i want to open it
19:35 okay so we asked for someone to make the game
19:38 oh hold on i should just check to make sure the levels are okay
19:42 yeah you can't even hear it that's interesting it might be once you
19:46 start the game okay well we'll make sure it's not too
19:51 it's pretty loud okay we'll go ahead and turn that down a little bit there we go
19:54 all right so i asked someone to make the game candy-ass candy eaters uh there is
19:59 an avatar that you can use here so i'm gonna play on a medium so you get slick
20:05 and you eat the candy and you avoid the uh what are these
20:09 copyright symbols yeah i think spaces jump so the idea is to collect as much
20:13 candy as you can while violating as few copyrights as you can
20:18 um to avoid getting sued so i can show you guys oh oh no i'll show you guys
20:23 what happens what happened tonight oh i got sued
20:27 i go to jail so this was this was something where i
20:31 actually i paid the 100 bounty last night
20:34 uh where i was like okay someone has to make this game this is gonna be awesome so this was because of king games um
20:40 trying to trademark the word candy and
20:44 among other things and go after anyone who had a game that was sort of revolved
20:48 around candy so they're the makers of candy crush saga and i think they were
20:51 going after anyone using the word saga as well which is like really there's a
20:55 there's a few words they were doing so people are making like candy candy saga
21:00 rush and like candy saga whatever and all these different things it's kind of
21:03 awesome so yeah um we should have we should
21:07 definitely have a thread somewhere on the forum where people post their high scores and it's actually pretty
21:12 entertaining yeah it's not a bad game i've seen worse it's like actually
21:16 pretty alright the just for fun part is kind of insane oh this i hadn't seen yet
21:20 i i never play games just for fun
21:24 there's the storm of cameron
21:47 but like it gets difficult sometimes you break it okay we didn't say the game was
21:52 perfect just to be clear if you don't go too far
21:56 out you land on this little ledge and then you can jump back in
21:59 so like if you really need to dodge a thing and for some reason you can't go
22:04 the other way you can like shuffle out the wall someone should make a game um
22:07 where you dodge coins
22:11 and your dog is awesome no bounty for that dodging
22:15 coins i'm already poor enough all right if you win you should get
22:19 candy and it should be candy quest saga
22:22 coin dodger edition so there's more to
22:27 oculus rift than just gaming this article is from eurogamer.net
22:33 and is actually um talking about a use
22:36 for it that would allow people to virtually swap bodies so
22:39 you actually i think did most of the um there's not even really honestly that
22:44 much else to say what happens is you you sit in similar proximity and then to be
22:48 able to keep the immersion up you have to kind of move in sync with the other
22:53 person so a lot of them you do not want to play this um i put like flags all over that post
22:59 right there right there and right there so that you wouldn't play the video all
23:03 right cool
23:06 anyways don't watch the video um unless you are
23:10 of appropriate age because there is uh nudity within the video okay um but
23:16 essentially what what you do is you you have to move in sync so because like if
23:21 you if you grab your leg or if you grab your ARM like this for immersion if
23:25 you're looking down to be able to see yourself which is not
23:29 yourself it's the other person grab their ARM they have to do at the same time so all the movements are very
23:33 sweeping and very slow so you can do it at the same time um a few things that
23:37 break it from stop it
23:40 oh i see a few things that break it um as far as i can tell is like when
23:45 they're going like this um and stuff like that like the guy is
23:49 super hairy so as he's going like this and the girl
23:53 is like not hairy at all it's like well that wouldn't feel the same right at all
23:57 there's a few things that would break it in my mind um
24:01 but yeah it's interesting they have a few different reasons for doing it so
24:06 where is it by doing this they can participate in a
24:11 virtual body swap um they've entitled the machine be another
24:16 machine to be another and its whole idea
24:19 is to explore empathy and the nature of
24:22 the self that sentence is hard to say
24:26 the nature of the self it sounds weird so there you go
24:30 if you could find a willing participant and set up a be someone else machine
24:34 then it shouldn't theoretically be that hard no i don't think so because there's uh
24:38 you should do it
24:43 you've seen the video now i got a lot more awkward um there's there's cameras
24:49 mounted and stuff so it can feed out um
24:52 yeah i don't know it's really not that complicated but it's interesting that people are starting to do these ideas
24:57 because i think oculus is going to be used for a lot more things than just
25:00 gaming yeah all right so left 4 dead 2 in source 2
25:06 engine leaks so this is a powerpoint
25:09 presentation that was leaked by a fairly credible
25:14 source sea boat also known as crazy botox on a train that sounds credible
25:20 um so it's a leaked by seaboat
25:23 and uh there's some before and after shots of what it might look like on
25:27 source engine which of course has been heavily modified since it was originally
25:31 released they've updated it to the point where i mean really you'll go back to
25:35 the very first source games and they're hardly recognizable as the same engine
25:39 yeah but uh the point is that it is obviously
25:44 been upgraded significantly further than that so this would be uh this would be
25:48 source two and then there also seem to be some hints
25:52 that uh some some game with you know
25:59 like three uh half-life three might be coming at some point i mean valve is
26:03 always so tight-lipped about this stuff yeah it's okay it seems really fishy to
26:07 me i have to call it so it was not announced by crazy buttocks on a train
26:12 this was a different leak thing and it's super simple one thing about the seaboat
26:18 release was that like the powerpoint looked actually pretty fleshed out yeah
26:22 there was stuff on it there was other slides that weren't shown there was blah blah blah blah and it looked interesting
26:27 and full the other one's just like a directory screenshot it's like yup
26:32 cool so like anyone could have renamed files and just been like cool leaked and
26:37 then like why is it actually called hl3
26:40 yeah i can't imagine that like they didn't code name it at all really
26:45 okay yeah i don't know it doesn't seem
26:49 super crazy legit to me so i don't know about that one but the
26:53 the seaboat one seems quite a bit more legit
26:57 this is interesting yeah this is really interesting so next up is google
27:03 has begun ranking isps the same way that netflix
27:07 did so netflix repeat released this report
27:10 when was that that was what not that long ago six months ago maybe yeah
27:13 really not that long ago not that long ago where remember there's the speed
27:17 your internet service provider advertises to you
27:20 50 megabit or 100 megabit or whatever
27:24 and then there's the speed that you're actually getting particularly for
27:27 certain demanding services like on-demand video and typically
27:32 it is not anywhere near the level of
27:35 what they're advertising and i find like people like my mom are going to have no
27:40 idea what that means yeah like my my internet is this fast what does that
27:45 allow me to do no idea so now this translates that
27:50 information into something that makes a lot more sense my my internet is capable
27:54 of running youtube in hd verified mode oh well that's good so hd verified in
28:00 order to qualify you have to be able to run a 720p stream 90 of the time without
28:06 any hitches i mean a lot of people complain about youtube issues but i mean
28:10 maybe that's what prompted them to do this because many of the issues like
28:14 you'll go okay no my internet's plenty fast i can download something from here
28:17 and it's fast but then i go to play youtube videos and it's crappy
28:22 that's probably your isp dinking around and it's actually less likely that
28:26 that's google that is not able to deliver you the video in a timely manner
28:31 and it's a lot safer for them to do that too because especially with downloads
28:34 they have a lot of time rated speeds and youtube videos you just see it lagging
28:39 you don't know why it doesn't show like it is downloading at this fast blah blah
28:42 blah one thing that i wish they did was
28:45 i wish they had almost say different tiers
28:49 like why is it just you are youtube hd
28:52 verified if you reach this level why is the gold clarified would be nice
28:57 gold verified so it's like 1080p or higher or like you are hd standard or
29:04 you sorry youtube standard or youtube hd like i wish there was different levels
29:08 this is really cool though it shows so it shows the results in your area for
29:12 who is hd verified who is standard definition verified and then who is
29:16 lower definition so apparently bell in my area is low rubbish
29:21 um i don't know anyone that has i don't know anyone that has a bell connection like i gotta wonder if that's mobile or
29:26 something yeah it's weird i don't even know what's up with that
29:29 but uh there you go very cool who are some of these people breaks it down into
29:34 so so what quality people were watching at during those times so this is how
29:39 many streams overall so the peak was around 8 or 9 pm which makes perfect
29:44 sense and then what percentage of them were able to run in hd that's really
29:49 really cool so telus low tier for example was only able to achieve
29:53 about eighty percent of its streams in hd
29:57 that's low tier or whatever but then that's a low tier it's interesting because that's a lot more translatable
30:02 to someone who just wants an internet connection and isn't really that
30:05 interested in normal people yeah
30:09 so time to time to rage face a little bit
30:12 yeah do you want it do you want to handle this i don't think we can you can
30:16 tag team it sure my almost problem with this is that it's the exact
30:22 same thing and we will be saying the exact
30:26 same things as we did last time because it's exactly the same
30:31 but this time it's been scientifically torn
30:34 down categorically torn down analytically torn down by tweak town
30:40 so this was a great little article from paul alcorn where he basically goes okay
30:46 back blaze's thing that they released where they
30:50 graphed hard drive reliability and failure rates over time um showing
30:54 seagate to have an abysmally terrible failure rate which i called out at the
30:59 time i said well it looks like a lot of these results are being skewed by one
31:03 batch of a particular drive and there were other problems with it than that so
31:07 he actually dug through backblaze's excellent blog and found a lot of the
31:11 information that he needed to refute the claims that were being made with respect
31:15 to drive reliability which was which was really interesting um
31:20 so basically he dug through and went okay
31:23 this graph is interesting but it can't possibly have a basis in
31:28 reality because even wd's annual failure
31:31 rate of three percent based on what i personally already know about the margin
31:37 that exists on a hard drive for a company like western digital would put
31:40 them out of business yeah they wouldn't they wouldn't exist if that was their
31:45 actual failure rate in the field so you have to consider a number of
31:49 things so number one is these are consumer grade drives being used in an
31:53 enterprise environment
31:56 there was a lot of them that were ripped out of enclosures because something they
31:59 found which is very true is that a lot of times you can find cheaper drives in
32:04 enclosures one of the things is you're not entirely sure which exact drive is
32:08 going to be in there and what bin it was and blah blah blah blah but they were
32:12 mass purchasing to the point of having some of their employees banned from
32:16 buying hard drives from stores because they were buying so many and this was
32:20 during the uh the shortage yeah and then they were like putting out hit lists for
32:24 people to go out and buy drives from different stores for them and then
32:28 giving them bounties they were crowdsourcing drives like ridiculous so
32:32 they could get these external drives and then do what they call shucking which is
32:37 just like corn taking all the outside off and then using this internal hard drive so
32:41 they're using drives from wherever the heck because they're getting all these
32:45 externals who knows how they were transported
32:48 i mean that's a big thing guys let me tell you the failure rates for hard
32:52 drives are affected in a significant way by the manner in which they are shipped
32:57 or delivered from wherever they're coming from to the customer yep so so
33:02 yeah so sourcing was an issue um the fact that the drives weren't all running
33:07 in the same environment at all at all
33:10 was a big issue so different enclosures uh many of the failed drives were
33:15 running in an older style of enclosure that caused more vibration some of the
33:19 drives were going to be running near the center of enormous racks of drives where
33:23 it was i think they were observing temperatures up to what 10 degrees
33:26 hotter or something it's like if you have an entire huge row of um rack mount
33:32 servers like huge rows of them the in the middle
33:37 of the row so rack rack rack crack crack crack crack crack rack in the middle
33:41 find the hottest and at the top you'd find the hottest so the middle top
33:45 drives are going to be quite a bit hotter than the other ones yeah so the
33:48 huge temperature ranges which there have been reports that temperature
33:53 doesn't affect hard drive failure rates from them
34:00 but the manufacturers all seem to be aligned on
34:04 this i mean you look at guys like seagate and wd they don't agree on much
34:09 but what they do agree on is that vibration is bad and so that older
34:13 enclosure that seagate's drives were running in was terrible and they they
34:17 agree that heat is bad hard drives have
34:21 manufacturer suggested operating temperatures that you should stay within
34:25 and then lower is better according to the actual manufacturers
34:30 that actually engineer this stuff so basically once again backblaze has
34:35 gotten everyone talking about them um by making a sensationalist headline and
34:40 then they got tweet sound to have to talk about them some more and generate
34:43 even more publicity for them i mean and the funny thing is the tweetdown article
34:47 isn't even like hating on backblaze because a lot of what they were doing
34:53 was to help customers it was well intentioned really cheap
34:56 storage for their customers it's like okay
35:00 so but then just like please stop sensationalizing stuff
35:04 you know please that's all i like throwing companies other companies under
35:08 the bus pretty hard yeah i mean throwing someone like seagate under the bus
35:12 because like you wanted to make headlines really feels like not a good
35:16 uh not a very good you know partner if it
35:20 doesn't feel good to do it feels really icky
35:24 yeah um there was there was a yeah there's a bunch of stuff we talked about it all
35:28 but like i think they're on their third revision of black based server
35:31 another thing that bugs me too is in the in the more detailed charts um you can
35:36 find like there was years of difference between when drives were deployed too
35:40 yeah which is a huge deal yes
35:44 i mean to actually determine this scientifically you would have to have a
35:48 controlled environment you'd have to source all the drives from the same
35:52 place you would have to have them all performing approximately the same work i
35:57 mean that was another thing was uh that was their whole enterprise versus
36:00 consumer grade drives one where they had them doing completely different things i
36:04 mean that's ridiculous i'll be the first to tell you guys an enterprise or server
36:10 grade workload will kill a consumer grade drive
36:14 did i tell you how many drives failed in my Windows home server my original one
36:18 didn't weren't they just basically like candy they were basically like i i
36:22 probably had anywhere between eight and a dozen drives fail over the couple of
36:26 years that i was running it and the reason for that was because of the way
36:30 that Windows home server v1 worked data was constantly being shuffled around and
36:36 balanced between the drives for redundancy because it didn't use raid so
36:39 what happened was my boot drives would die because the boot drive couldn't be
36:45 manually removed from the drive pool so it had to handle running in os and doing
36:49 all that stuff and then it had to handle having data sort of swapped back and
36:54 forth on it all the time and that thing would thrash constantly and i just
36:57 drip die die die die die and it was a real pain when they died so i eventually
37:01 replaced it with an Intel SSD which is running to this day
37:05 because i mean it's not a ton of writes it's
37:10 just a lot of random all over the place which will wear out a hard drive faster
37:14 than it will in SSD
37:19 jumping to be wi-fi no actually i wanted to go to
37:23 hawaii's post on the forum so speaking of pc
37:28 component failure rates these numbers may actually be slightly more credible
37:33 because at least it's a wider sample and is actual um components that are being
37:39 deployed into the field by a retailer there's there's still there are problems
37:43 yeah i know there are problems the sample sizes vary anywhere from hundreds
37:47 of units to thousands of units um the
37:51 who knows if someone bought a whole bunch and then put them in a weird configuration uh they're none of them
37:56 will be in the same like very few of them will be in the same cases in the
38:00 same configurations yes none of them are really going to be the same temperatures
38:03 but letting end users use them is not a controlled environment but it's much
38:08 wider which almost helps it yeah that
38:11 almost makes it more relevant to the average consumer who's looking to buy
38:15 something so there's lots oh yeah another thing to consider about this
38:19 guys is that it does not account for
38:22 failed products that get returned to the manufacturer
38:25 because they have no way of tracking that this is only ones that came back to
38:29 the retailer so some some manufacturers
38:32 in particular have notices right inside their packaging that says hey yo uh go
38:36 through us don't go back to your retailer and i'm not saying they're not
38:39 trying to hide anything from the retailers it's just that i think some of
38:43 them feel like they want to be in charge of their own customer service and do a great job of
38:48 taking out taking care of this customer that has a dead product and i think
38:51 that's where the motivation comes from but there were just there were some really interesting numbers a Gigabyte
38:56 did really well with respect to average failure rates ASUS and asrock did really
39:00 well MSI didn't do very well but it looks like it was skewed by one model
39:04 that's cool because this breaks it out by manufacturer as well as by individual
39:08 models where which is really cool where it's relevant um
39:12 or where it's uh where it's where they had enough of them that's what i was
39:15 looking for where they had a big enough sample size were you surprised by
39:18 anything in here um
39:23 not really i mean i worked at a retailer for years yeah i know that's why i was
39:27 just wondering and it's it's funny because uh there is so much talk from
39:32 consumers about who makes reliable graphics cards and who makes blah blah
39:37 you know what there's like four factories making all this stuff
39:42 and they are all have extremely advanced
39:45 equipment and they're all improving their qa processes all the time and you
39:51 can do the simple math which is like i've seen accusations made that a
39:56 manufacturer has huge rma rates half of them die you can assume that if that
40:01 were the case they would not exist there have been products that were extremely
40:07 bad and you know i'm not going to throw anyone under the bus here
40:12 okay i will the striker extreme was a terrible product it was an awful
40:17 motherboard rma rates above 25 for that
40:20 board over the entirety of its lifetime there
40:24 are lemons there's higher than that in this dock
40:27 yeah so there there's stuff like that but the thing that the thing that
40:31 doesn't surprise me is that stuff happens
40:35 and the other thing too that this is another flaw with this is that it's only i think
40:39 what six months of data or a year of data or something like that yeah so it's
40:43 it's a limited time frame where one manufacturer can just have a bad a bad
40:48 spell for a bit and then that can make them look really bad on this report when that's not
40:53 necessarily the ongoing case although it does include some data from the previous
40:56 year in this report as well so it was very interesting
41:00 very interesting overall this is this is awesome uh ocz petrol
41:04 and octane SSD return rates um in the 40
41:08 plus percent ranges and a lot of talk
41:12 occurred about ocz rma rates and what i
41:15 would say at the time is guys yeah there are bad apples petrol was a terrible
41:19 drive i've returned hundreds of them but without even selling them when i
41:23 realized what was going on but something like vertex 4 and vertex 3 and vertex 2
41:28 before that i ran those vertex 4s for a really long time yep and and so did a
41:33 lot of people no i mean for like test benching yeah
41:36 and i beat the crap out of them when i was dispatching so like yeah pretty cool
41:41 so anyway so there you go you guys should definitely check that out on the forum
41:44 um it's also posted on Linus tech tips facebook which i've started becoming a
41:49 lot more active on so if you guys follow or like Linus tech on facebook then
41:54 you'll see things that i will post there it actually gets some exclusive content
41:57 now apparently there is a thread in pc gaming for candy ass candy eater high
42:03 score bonanza excellent i'm gonna post that in the twitch chat so people can
42:08 find that fantastic i'm probably gonna jump on
42:13 there at some point because i actually find it quite entertaining
42:16 b wi-fi this is an article from ours technica lets you steal your neighbors
42:20 bandwidth when they're not using it but i think steel is a bit of um as a bit of
42:25 a misnomer here because what the video actually suggests is more of a wi-fi
42:30 sharing concept so i'm just gonna turn that down
42:35 mostly you know what let's not even watch the video because overall i'm kind of
42:39 looking at this going like what are you high
42:43 um now you can try and defend it if you want um i think it makes sense in
42:47 certain regions i think you saw that in my notes which is actually what they
42:51 were targeting too i don't think like where where where anywhere that i have
42:55 ever lived nope so basically except for dorms at
43:00 university but then they would have their own yeah
43:03 everyone would have their own login anyway so the way that be wi-fi works is is you
43:09 you basically sign up and make your wi-fi hotspot part of a larger network
43:16 that anyone else who is also signed up can jump on and jump off
43:21 at will as they move around even so if you had a very very dense
43:26 city for example and everyone was signed up the idea is that you'd be able to
43:31 move seamlessly around the city and have wi-fi connectivity rather than relying
43:35 on your mobile data everywhere the problem that i see for this is that
43:40 even in a densely populated area convincing people to use this
43:46 apparently they have been um and that's
43:49 because of their target audience too they're not targeting us they're
43:52 targeting like um like they said emerging emerging economies and places
43:56 that have terrible internet like this is where you cannot have a skype call at
44:01 all or where you cannot watch like youtube pretty much
44:04 at all um or very low quality of each of them
44:08 and very intermittent of each of them and the idea is allowing you to actually
44:13 use some internet services this isn't really designed for people with like
44:17 google fiber this is not targeted that they're
44:21 pushing it out in certain areas of south america i don't
44:24 think they have any plans currently for pushing it out in areas in like north
44:28 america and stuff this is targeted at a different audience this is not targeted
44:31 at you yeah but i mean just okay fine fine okay
44:36 all of that aside from a sheer liability perspective yes there's a lot
44:40 of other people using your internet connection there's that but recently i
44:44 don't see okay part of this and i know you're gonna bring this up part of this
44:48 is i have no idea what the laws are there
44:51 so where they're pushing it out i have no idea how the laws come into play the
44:55 states at least um it was recently ruled that your ip is
44:58 not valid identity okay so in the states it wouldn't be a
45:02 big deal not just that though forget ip being
45:07 valid to identify you uh it's not like
45:10 you know let's let's let's say let's say someone was doing something illegal
45:14 downloading child porn on your internet connection your isp will know
45:19 who that was uh they will know that that came to your
45:24 connection forget forget your ip and somewhat like if someone's actually
45:28 working with your isp to identify someone doing illegal things
45:33 it can come back at you yes and you are
45:36 responsible in many places for what happens on your internet yes in many
45:40 places but we don't know the laws down there that's true
45:44 so i have no idea in the states again ip is no longer identity um
45:49 and there's there's some stuff that's gonna have to go on they have if you read through the article they have
45:53 brought up like security a few times but i don't know exactly what that means i
45:57 don't know if it means that if someone is
46:00 sharing your bandwidth that's another thing
46:04 like how exactly the router interfaces outside yeah
46:08 i don't know because they haven't like released super
46:11 technical information as far as i can tell yeah it's very basic right now so
46:14 maybe maybe a lot of what i don't like about it is just because i don't have
46:18 enough information yeah because it could be like it just helps that router in
46:22 some way however the heck that works exactly because like the idea is even
46:25 when you're not on the go you can be in your house and like your connection is
46:28 rubbish for some reason but your your neighbor has lots of available bandwidth
46:32 and you can like borrow from them so does that mean that all identifying
46:37 packets would be coming and going from their router not yours like i don't know
46:42 how it works um yeah i'm not sure and then the security
46:46 thing i'm kind of expecting that the only way it's secure is that it's
46:49 because you're sharing bandwidth you're not sharing an actual
46:53 local network so i don't think they'd be able to see your individual computers
46:57 how the devil would you do that and isp would have to be the one
47:00 load balancing there no not necessarily
47:05 sharing bandwidth like and like they're talking about this
47:09 like in wi-fi terms like like
47:14 i i mean i mean multiple visible computers ah that's my only thing and i
47:18 don't think you can connect to multiple hosts no so but i don't think that's
47:22 what they're doing okay they're sharing within the rotors
47:25 okay yeah well let's see
47:29 i'd well stay tuned i don't know all i could find on it was
47:34 not super detailed information so i'm not really sure ours technica posts uh
47:39 this is like the best thing ever we actually had this discussion last week
47:43 on the lan show is for better
47:46 uh for for a more innovative and more enlightened approach to technology would
47:51 you move would you pack your bags and go somewhere with better internet and and
47:56 better technological infrastructure
47:59 south korea has banned unremovable
48:02 mobile bloatware both from the carrier level and from the
48:06 handset provider level which is was really surprising to me because you
48:10 look at how um well okay up until very recently i don't
48:16 know if you saw this it's not in the dock but samsung and google have come to an agreement that samsung will begin
48:22 removing their replica their uh functionality
48:26 replicating apps from their handsets yeah so i think uh
48:30 there's there's a couple that are slated to go right away but you know how you'll
48:34 have you know calendar and like ask
48:37 calendar like mail like s mail
48:41 gmail you know i don't know snail mail like you have all these duplicated
48:46 applications on your phone by default and you can't remove any of them well
48:50 samsung and google have finally started to come to terms on that or reconcile
48:55 there and now like iphones hasn't really been a big deal um Android it has to a
49:00 certain degree but then like people have been able to get around it but then not
49:04 that many people yeah i mean my mom couldn't do it exactly so this does
49:08 actually help a lot i've seen a lot of people be like well well i ruined my
49:11 phone good for you so it's completely fine for me i'm like well that's not the
49:16 point yeah most people well i'm gonna blow your minds most
49:21 people don't root their phones
49:25 we do but that doesn't mean that and i don't even like doing it it's a pain
49:30 it's funny because so many people are like yeah it's so easy for her i can do
49:33 it in five minutes sure okay if you do it all the time maybe you can do it in
49:37 five minutes it's kind of like when i say swapping a graphics card is easy i
49:41 can do it in 30 seconds for someone who's never swapped a graphics card
49:44 before and maybe they have better things to do than spend this time doing it they
49:49 will have to go and read about it and make sure they will have to research which one to buy they might not know the
49:54 best place to get it so they might spend more et cetera et cetera et cetera
49:57 there's a there's a learning curve there's always a learning curve with anything new
50:01 and every time i've rooted a phone there's been some kind of problem it's
50:06 never at that simple when i did my wife's i've only done two phones but
50:10 when i did my wife's droid dna there was like there was a there was a radio
50:15 update that was you couldn't access
50:18 unless you got the new over the air unless you rooted your phone before you
50:22 applied the new over the air and then you had to do some with so you needed
50:26 like it was it was bizarre there was very little documentation and then when
50:29 i when i did my htc one very recently because i have a developer edition phone
50:34 there was blah blah blah there was this and that and that and half the tools
50:38 that are out there like one guy is had his post removed or he was
50:43 banned from xda or something but then you can find it
50:47 elsewhere but then it didn't even work and it's not that simple
50:52 so that's all there is to it unless you do it all the time and you're just kind
50:55 of going through a routine and you've done this phone already and you've
50:58 documented it and if you have a super popular phone yeah that helps because it
51:01 was not easy for your wife's phone especially when i was first tasked with
51:06 it because there was literally no documentation but then if you go try and
51:09 do like an s3 yeah it's
51:13 actually not that hard but then that's because there's all the documentation
51:17 you could ever possibly want for every model but then that can be a problem too
51:22 because it can be overwhelming for someone who's new yeah that's true but
51:26 they don't know which guides to fight through it and there's quite a few and some of them are more frustrating than
51:30 others and a lot of people pick sides which one's better and then that's
51:33 confusing because you're trying to take sides on an argument like i know people
51:36 people complain a lot my moderator is included about all the threads that pop
51:40 up on the forum all the time Intel versus AMD
51:43 or NVIDIA versus AMD and i don't actually hate it that much
51:48 because i understand that guy
51:52 because he's probably just like what i don't get it what's the answer i want
51:57 an easy answer and then everyone destroys them but like i i get it i'm
52:01 not in that position but i get it it makes sense all right so uh i guess
52:06 that was pretty much all there was to say about that yeah this is really not it's coming right away which actually
52:11 really surprised me like normally you see these kinds of rulings like hey stop
52:15 doing that and it's like you got six months or a year to
52:19 phase it out or whatever it is but i think it's like february yeah sometimes
52:23 something ridiculous like there's um all
52:26 all pre-installed apps must be detectable but there's some deletable
52:29 deletable but there's some stuff that they're kind
52:33 of not worrying about too much which is wi-fi connectivity near field
52:38 communication customer service and app store which i don't understand why samsung
52:42 needs an app store i was gonna say the app store doesn't really make a lot of
52:45 sense or let me remove it everything else kind of does and if i really wanted
52:49 your app store i would go get it yeah
52:53 um nintendo is not being allowed to stop
52:56 certain types of hackers um this is i think
53:01 i don't know i don't know i think they should open up more um nintendo i think
53:06 not i'm okay i don't necessarily think they need to open up their platform
53:10 because they're not going to so i'm not going to try and push them to do that um
53:13 but i think they need to open up to like indies and people playing with their
53:16 platform now this i can understand why they might want to prevent it although i
53:20 don't understand region locks i just understand that it's part of their yeah
53:23 you know what um you know twitter if you guys can find us
53:28 a fantastic article about why region locks need to exist
53:32 on games i don't the only thing i can possibly
53:37 think of is they're hoping there will be that one dude who moves and then has to buy a new
53:42 system in all new games but then like why are you being a jerk to that guy
53:46 just let him keep playing like the one thing i can think of is maybe um esrb
53:50 ratings like the uh you know mature ratings have more than one or whatever
53:55 else and again that doesn't seem to let them deal with it that doesn't seem that
53:59 complicated to just have a global game with all the ratings on it doesn't seem
54:04 complicated um another thing would be packaging
54:08 guidelines yeah so multilingual packaging i know in
54:12 canada but then just like don't sell them have it so that you can't sell it
54:16 in different regions but then why would you make it not work
54:20 yeah well okay another thing is gray marketing
54:23 so when it's different pricing in different regions having people just buy
54:27 all their games somewhere on the cheap and it's like you know what
54:32 what what are you gonna do it happens on steam
54:36 it happens physically like and and every
54:40 console gets a hack for not being region locked anymore but anyways um an italian
54:46 company named pc box which is kind of funny um has a little piece of hardware
54:52 device that allows you to play games from any region and nintendo is not
54:57 allowed stopping them although nintendo as far as i know hasn't like done a
55:01 legal reply yet yeah so we'll see what happens there um
55:06 i i suspect it's gonna hold but we'll see what happens there anyways
55:13 speaking of nintendo
55:16 so a little bit of deja vu like
55:20 the most accurate version of deja vu i've ever seen i i
55:24 i've been saying for a little while when people have brought this up like this
55:27 just recently happened but then i couldn't really find the article it took me a really long time um but here's a
55:32 quote from 2011 uh well okay first of all in 2011
55:36 they're having the 3ds problems so now here's a quote for cuts in fixed
55:40 salaries i'm taking a 50 cut other representative directories are taking a
55:44 30 cut and other execs are taking a 20 cut and
55:48 that's exactly like pretty much to the t
55:52 what he's doing now because of wii u
55:56 so i yeah there is still time for them to turn wii
56:00 u around i mean takataka i mean for anyone who didn't watch your video i
56:03 didn't watch it um talk about your experience with wii u um it's it's it's
56:08 been really awesome and there's massive rooms for improvement one thing that a
56:12 lot of people have to realize is that like especially i'm talking to pc
56:17 community we're a pc community um i have no interest in any of the other consoles
56:22 running right now as in new consoles so ps4 and xbox one i couldn't really care
56:28 there's the only reason why i could possibly carry is exclusives and then i'm not
56:32 super interested in the exclusives on either of those platforms what i am
56:35 super interested in is nintendo exclusives because especially first
56:39 party nintendo exclusives are freaking awesome um
56:44 and they're not moving to any other platform anytime soon or at all ever i
56:48 don't really think personally but we'll see um and like the state of pc right
56:53 now is co-op games are kind of few and far between and most
56:58 games that you could possibly play together with a friend are not really
57:02 co-op designed and aren't really like within the same house
57:06 planned out like a lot of nintendo games are so if you have friends over it's not
57:10 the easiest it now it happens but it's not the easiest thing ever for everyone
57:15 to bring their computer and full rig set up every single time because honestly
57:18 that's kind of annoying it's fun to do every once in a while but it's kind of annoying so if you can have something
57:23 that has a lot of games that are specifically designed for playing with a
57:27 group of people in a small contained environment that's kind of awesome and
57:31 that's what wii u is it's also not a wii which is kind of a
57:35 really big problem and nintendo has recently actually like very blatantly
57:39 said like yeah this is a problem everyone thinks we use just this tablet
57:43 accessory i can't even like that is we've had this conversation but that is
57:47 so baffling to me that people could think
57:51 that the wii u was a handheld
57:55 but it's well okay okay before people thought it was an accessory before i rip
57:59 on them too hard did anyone watching think that the wii u
58:03 was a was a handheld accessory for the wii and actually can you find that
58:07 article that walked through the uh
58:10 i'm probably not gonna be able to the reasons that people thought that the okay well we we remember a couple of
58:15 them so in NVIDIA are in NVIDIA's in nintendo's advertising they often had
58:20 the controller it's a controller uh with the screen on it front and center stage
58:25 with like a small black box that actually kind of looks like a black wii
58:29 behind it large black wii um and then
58:33 there's a lot of nose but there is definitely a few yeses
58:37 really okay there are some yeses okay why
58:43 okay there was not i
58:46 i always knew um but as from the people that i've
58:50 specifically talked to in person that didn't know i should put out a straw
58:54 poll for this that's what i'm gonna do um for the new straw poll so the people
58:58 that i've talked to that specifically didn't know um
59:03 what what they're saying is like we just said all the pictures showed this
59:07 handheld tablet thing and all the branding was saying now you can play
59:11 your games on the tablet and you can do some stuff on the tablet and yay
59:15 nintendo yeah it wasn't saying they could have solved this by calling it the
59:18 revolution or that was a way better a dolphin or we
59:23 too all their code names are so much better than their console names lately
59:26 yeah or or like anything that made more sense than we you
59:30 we made no sense so i guess it shouldn't have surprised us
59:34 but i mean still
59:37 okay all right i can see defeat i guess
59:40 it was possible if you're not paying attention like
59:44 the way that we do to tech news to think that the wii u was more of an accessory
59:49 but i it still is sort of baffling to me with how little i care about any given
59:54 console i mean i knew but then again again i do
59:57 pay pretty close attention to headlines and whatnot so i'm gonna i'm gonna grab
60:02 uh slick's link to the straw pool there
60:07 so fast with better ttv if you scroll up it
60:12 pauses all right so anyway
60:16 they're cutting salaries and you know i
60:19 respect that i respect that a lot cutting the executive salaries cutting
60:24 leadership's salaries when a company makes a bad move a company is a ship
60:30 okay and when the ship hits something it's not the fault of the
60:35 guy that was shoveling coal into the furnace in order to power this you know
60:40 the engine he couldn't even see where it was going
60:44 he didn't know you don't you know tell him that you
60:47 don't need him to put coal in the furnace anymore because you still need coal in your furnace if you're going to
60:51 go anywhere after you RAM into something you i mean the the the the
60:55 responsibility lies with the leadership and the fact that they're willing to own
61:00 that and they're willing to cut their own salaries rather than hurt their
61:04 employees so there weren't any there were there were no firings they just cut
61:07 executive salaries i think is very respectable i mean how how happy would
61:12 you be about working for me if we had a really rough year and i was like
61:16 everyone's getting cut except me come on brutal and the thing is um
61:22 we saw a snapback in 2011 we saw a snapback
61:26 company rallied they they dropped some prices they adjusted some things they
61:30 did a few things and we saw a snapback and i fully see that again in what way i
61:34 don't know i already see 3ds making up a lot of money where wii u isn't i don't
61:39 think they necessarily expected 3ds to do as well it is as it is right now
61:44 um so i think that can help off balance the wii u while they hopefully fix it
61:48 there was very recently a patch that massively increased boot time
61:53 interesting you can put it into a game much faster
61:56 and they're thinking of other things they have they have a sale right now for
62:00 um like indie style downloadable only games where if if you buy one or if you
62:04 already own one you get like 60 off the others or some crazy thing like that wow
62:09 like they're they're making pushes um
62:12 there's a few things that i think they can do um i should have grabbed this i didn't
62:16 realize we're gonna talk about this topic uh this much but there was a thing
62:19 saying that you can play ds games on your wii u now but i don't know and i
62:23 think it's like all uh downloadable store content stuff but i don't know
62:27 whether they were specifically talking about ds
62:30 right or if it's like 3ds right like i don't so i don't know what um game
62:35 catalog is actually on there because i might read into it enough um and i don't
62:40 know if it's official or whatnot like i didn't i didn't think we'd need it for
62:43 the show so i didn't go into it speaking of backpack catalogs playstation 4
62:47 getting ps1 and ps2 compatibility is pretty cool yeah carry on um anyways the
62:51 poll right now is showing about 20 of people
62:54 in our community so fairly informed tech people about 20 of them thought it was
62:59 just a handheld all right well there you go i was wrong
63:03 so if you jump out of the really informed tech community
63:08 yep it's gonna increase the further and further you get away so it's actually a
63:12 pretty significant percentage of people it's amazing because
63:16 you know honestly like i i don't i don't see advertising i just i gloss over it
63:22 completely if i want to know about something i will go specifically looking for it and that's the way that i get my
63:26 information so i don't often consider
63:31 how much of an impact a tv ad might have
63:34 on someone's education level about a particular product because to me
63:40 nothing i will not learn anything from your tv ad because i will specifically
63:43 ignore it whereas i mean if that's what people
63:47 were going based on especially you know moms and dads with
63:50 young kids that aren't really they haven't owned a game console in years if
63:54 at all then different different direct things
63:58 that i pulled uh while doing research was like uh an editor for i don't
64:02 remember what i think it might have been the verge his wife was opening up the
64:07 wii u box from what he had recently purchased and was confused as to why
64:11 there was a wii in it right because she thought it was a wii
64:16 she thought she was just getting the tablet thing she didn't realize there's actually a console that goes with it um
64:20 there was moms talking about like going going to say best buy and then
64:25 being confused when employees were trying to sell them wiius because she's
64:29 saying i don't have the budget to buy this 300
64:32 and something dollar this was before the price drop tablet why are you trying to
64:36 be this aggressive like leave me alone and they're like but it's not
64:40 and they're like what is because they have no idea because all
64:45 the branding when you look at it is a big tablet and they're like i don't need
64:48 my kids to have this nintendo tablet thing
64:51 so there's a lot of confusing messaging and i think nintendo's taking the right
64:55 direction a little bit if if you've been watching trending twitter lately if
64:59 you've been watching reddit lately all this kind of stuff they're up there a
65:03 lot of the time well i think the fact that placed beyond the initial hype
65:07 playstation 4 and xbox one are so uninteresting
65:13 and nintendo's the only one really making additional moves right now but
65:16 like it it makes sense and i i see them trying and the whole i have half my
65:21 salary thing was nothing but good publicity so
65:25 i think i think they might be doing the right things there's 10 billion people
65:28 right now that are trying to say these are all the different things that nintendo has to do to be make better um
65:34 but what i think they have to do is nintendo just has to try really hard and
65:38 i think they'll be fine because they're not they're not a bad
65:41 company they're not stupid they're not stupid um they're they're combining
65:45 their handheld and console divisions they're building that new building so
65:48 they can do it more effectively they're doing all this stuff they're working on
65:51 it just let them work on it they'll probably be
65:55 fine um speaking of working on things this
65:58 was a mistake that i made last week i had said that the htc one used a tn
66:03 panel i was completely wrong it is ips
66:06 it's actually in their own faq about the one which you can find on
66:11 htc's website however i do so it uses super lcd three which is
66:16 ips however i do still remember finding information somewhere and i don't know
66:20 what the credibility of the source was so maybe that was the problem saying
66:24 that super lcd 2 was tn
66:27 i could be wrong about that once again but my point still stands what i said
66:31 last week about not all tn panels being absolutely terrible is true some are
66:37 better than others some are really hard to look at and some are what i would
66:41 call okay not bad acceptable so there my apologies for that
66:47 um this is awesome
66:50 yeah um i don't think it's the biggest deal i think the prescription part
66:55 matters a lot more than the other part so google is putting glass on different
66:59 frames and they are now supporting prescriptions that is the hipsterist
67:03 looking person that i've seen today there's more of them if you if you go
67:08 through the like last video thing you just automatically look like a
67:11 hipster if you have glass though not like a hipster necessarily like a
67:15 glass hole perhaps i actually haven't used mine in a couple
67:20 weeks i haven't really seen you use it since like the second day you had it
67:23 yeah it's kind of stupid it's amazing how many people were
67:27 wearing them at ces i was kind of like laughing to myself
67:32 um it's it's i don't think personally in the like two seconds that i had to use
67:37 it because you gave it to me to use and then i didn't even want it anymore um i
67:41 i'm you know we're always like we're waiting for revision two or whatever yeah i'm
67:45 waiting for like revision four yeah i
67:48 i don't want this like little glass cube thing it's kind of terrible i want it to
67:53 be the whole lens the problem for me is that it's not adjustable enough i can't
67:58 get the screen in a place where i can comfortably look at it it's like way up
68:02 here and the problem is that my ears are not high enough up
68:07 on my head this could help so this could potentially help because
68:11 they have different frame options now as well as the ability to push prescription
68:14 lenses i think it can only handle from minus four to plus four so no extreme
68:18 prescriptions but it should handle the majority of people who just need a mild
68:23 prescription and want to use google glass so you still have to pay the
68:27 fifteen hundred dollar entry fee just to people be part of the google
68:31 glass explorer program that hasn't gone away and you get to pay another
68:36 225 bucks for the different frames
68:39 and then you get to pay they have new tinted shades uh up 150 bucks for those
68:44 so there's 40 combinations of colors frames and shades now
68:49 actually pretty crazy speaking of things that are expensive this battle in eve
68:54 so
68:57 yeah this happens like every kind of once in a while but this one was a
69:00 little bit absurd um usually it'll be like the biggest battle of eve ever it
69:05 was a little bit bigger than the last one this one's like the biggest battle of eve ever it was insane this one
69:09 doesn't make any sense everything went nuts um so many people lost so much
69:14 stuff um the the kind of like not
69:18 surprising this always happens thing kind of happened where someone forgot to
69:22 pay their bill on a building uh so that building holds sovereignty in
69:26 the area if you have that certain structures and whatnot are protected
69:30 like stations just explain what stations and not
69:34 everyone so like if you have a space station yeah it is protected like in
69:38 that system in that system yeah so within that system if you have a space
69:41 station and you have sovereignty there which is based on having another
69:44 building which has maintenance costs and whatnot i'm trying to not go way over
69:49 crazy uh so it's like the creep
69:54 other people can't build on your crap while you have your creep kinda but they
69:58 can build the things that take that over but then they have to defend them and
70:01 they have to go online yeah but essentially if that goes down
70:05 it becomes much easier to kind of shut someone's system down and take it over
70:10 essentially um system as in like area in
70:13 space uh solar system
70:16 there we go um so so yeah
70:20 there's some people complaining because apparently the the holdings corporation
70:25 that was holding that was paying for that building
70:30 had enough money and the check box was checked for it to auto withdrawal so it
70:35 should have never had problems with payments because it had more than enough
70:38 money like tons of money and the thing was checked and it still went down
70:43 so they're pretty not stoked about that and they're claiming bug and blah blah
70:47 blah blah so we're going to see what happens with
70:50 that eventually but who knows i don't know i don't think
70:54 anything's going to come from that to be completely honest and none of that will affect the fact that this cost five
71:00 hundred thousand dollars of real world money as they're estimating yeah uh i've
71:04 seen estimates anywhere from two hundred thousand to five hundred thousand so
71:08 quite a range uh we'll see what it ends up at but i'm i'm kind of there's been
71:12 there's been more of the estimates at the 500 000 range i haven't seen any
71:17 like list of lost ships or anything like that um i know there's been over a
71:21 hundred titans lost uh if you haven't played eve titans are
71:26 like when you first start playing and you're like oh there's lots of ships what are
71:29 the biggest coolest ships the titans are like massively ridiculously bigger and
71:34 more badass than all the other ones and then everyone gets all excited and then realizes they can't fly them for like a
71:39 year and a half or something um at the very least i don't remember exactly what
71:42 it is but those are titans they're worth about three grand each and there's been
71:47 over a hundred of them lost uh one of the guys from one of the corporations
71:51 was talking about how in a previous war it was such a huge deal and they had
71:55 lost and whatever whatever and they lost seven titans and it was like a super big
71:58 deal that they lost seven titans and this time they killed 40 within a small
72:04 window time frame and were like yeah there's still 12 hours until server
72:07 downtime and there's server down time like every day and they're like yeah we're going to
72:11 kill a whole bunch more this is ridiculous like this is this is insane
72:15 like every single time there's a giant big record in eve it's insane but this
72:19 is even more insane than it was before
72:22 part of my problem with knowledge on this is i haven't played eve in quite a while now
72:26 um apparently it's nine months straight of training to fly it then you have to have
72:31 stuff for like fittings and actually being able to fly it well and stuff like
72:35 that and titans titans are interesting because people people call them
72:38 essentially coffins because once you get in like you can't dock in anything
72:42 because ships can dock in you so once you start flying a titan you essentially
72:46 fly that titan until you die in the game
72:50 essentially so it's it's interesting a hundred over a hundred titan pilots were
72:55 finally freed from their coffins um freed from their coffins that's one way
72:59 of looking at it uh yeah i don't know that was kind of
73:03 insane i'm excited to read more about it um
73:08 because a lot of the news i found on this is from two days ago and a lot of
73:12 it is estimations so i'm excited to see the like this is what happened this is
73:17 exactly what happened this checkbox was unchecked or this bill came out and they
73:22 didn't expect so it brought them below this amount of money or ccp screwed up
73:26 or whatever whatever there was a mole or something like that i'm excited for all
73:30 that information and i'm excited for the final dollar amount because that should legitimately be
73:34 pretty interesting um what was also really interesting i'm
73:39 buying time for you to finish that what was also really interesting was reading
73:43 the dialogues between all the players because like i said 4 000 players and
73:47 this was like there was corporations from russia there was people from the states there was all over the world so
73:52 there's people that took time off work like quite a few people that like
73:56 officially took time off work like vacation days so they could go home and
74:01 play eve because the player base in eve is actually a little bit older than
74:05 quite a few games because some people call it a spreadsheet
74:08 simulator um so so people are taking time off work and coming home people
74:12 were like i think some dude skipped a flight um people were like stuck in
74:17 airports playing on their laptops which was super laggy like the things people
74:21 did to be able to defend their homeland
74:24 or to attack this area was insane and
74:28 it's it's really interesting so if you have the time like
74:31 google it look it up because even just reading some of the like the the twitter
74:36 interaction and reading through some of the forums is is ridiculous because this fight was
74:41 just nuts so um did i buy enough time today yeah i think
74:45 i think i'm good now yes wait oh hold on
74:49 no no need another minute
74:52 all right my favorite thing to do in eve because i'm talking about nothing at this point in time don't you have any
74:57 other topics no i think there is something oh yeah artificial artificial
75:01 cheese is stupid i was at subway today and they were like yeah we're out of
75:05 cheddar cheese so do you want this i'm like is that processed cheese and the
75:09 girl's like i don't know what
75:12 is it cheese or is it plastic
75:16 because they're not the same thing cheese is a dairy product processed
75:21 cheese is garbage and if i'm gonna be
75:24 paying for a sandwich that has actual
75:27 cheese that costs a lot more than processed cheese included in the price
75:32 no you may not swap out artificial cheese for real cheese why do we even
75:37 call it cheese they're not allowed to call whipped topping whipped cream why
75:42 are we allowed to call processed cheese cheese it's disgusting anyway that was
75:46 just a rant that i knew i'm so mad so she's like well we have shredded cheese
75:50 i'm like i'm melting it anyway yeah put that on that's fantastic thank you very
75:55 much for finding a solution to this problem that was obviously going to
75:59 upset me a whole lot i've actually been wondering for a little while why people
76:02 haven't been pushing like i don't really care that
76:05 much to be completely honest but why other people haven't thought of this and
76:09 been pushing for uh forcing different names on heavily gmo'd products
76:14 yes because if it is if it is something different because you have changed like
76:18 dna strains and you have genetically modified it
76:22 then is it still a banana
76:25 or is it something else and the organic one is banana
76:30 banana plus banana you
76:35 is it still a banana oh i'll banana you all right
76:39 um okay so i think i am ready now
76:42 i have been receiving many messages and trust me i always intended to do
76:49 something but i wanted to keep it kind of quiet because
76:52 like i don't know how i'm gonna actually i don't know i don't know how i'm gonna
76:57 keep this quiet enough to refer okay well whatever screw it he's going to
77:02 yeah he'll figure it out it's like immediately like immediately okay guys
77:06 keep keep your traps shut can i trust you to do that please don't we're trying
77:10 to do a good thing yeah we're trying to do a nice thing here and you guys are
77:13 gonna muck it up if you do things all
77:17 right so basically um i don't know if you guys know this but on
77:21 linustechtips.com there's actually a store now and if you are not a forum
77:26 contributor the store looks empty other than contributor badges so that's
77:30 monthly subscription fees those help us do all the things that we do just so you
77:34 know it's not just for the forum if you guys appreciate the work we do and you
77:38 want to contribute to what we're doing we would very much appreciate if you'd pick up a subscription but if you are
77:43 not a contributor it looks kind of empty if you are a contributor there are some
77:47 things in there and i will be adding a lot more some of them are samples some
77:51 of them are things i've bought and don't need anymore but it's basically discounted tech stuff and the discounts
77:56 get better for higher contribution
77:59 levels so be ready for that guys because i'm going to be hitting it with a flood
78:03 of stuff sometime in the next couple of weeks but
78:06 in the meantime something that is accessible to everyone is this item that
78:11 i just created i only have one of them so only the first person
78:17 will be able to buy it this is an MSI gtx 780 lightning edition
78:23 for 500 bucks plus shipping and whatever applicable taxes are going to get billed
78:27 to you when it arrives i'll ship it anywhere in the world but it should be
78:31 noted that the chances of it arriving in one piece are a lot better if you're
78:35 within north america because shipping internationally is sort of horrible
78:39 so 500 bucks and the proceeds go to austin evans to help him with something
78:44 that is undisclosed at this time well i mean his house burned down so obviously
78:48 we know that that something bad happened
78:52 and uh you know something has to be done
78:55 but exactly what the proceeds will go towards will be disclosed later but that
79:00 500 is definitely for him so this comes out
79:04 of our someone's like will you take bitcoin no um so convert bitcoin to cash and buy it
79:10 this is something i don't understand why do you need retailers to accept bitcoin
79:15 because they all do the same thing they take bitcoin at a horrible exchange rate
79:20 like a terrible one just convert it and save money buy things
79:25 i don't okay anyway sorry sorry i'm gonna be ranting again so
79:29 austin's house burned down wasn't his fault it was someone on a different
79:33 floor whose heater lit on fire it burned to the ground he lost almost everything
79:38 all he has is a safe with some personal belongings that he didn't say what it
79:42 was he's got his macbook he's has he's has
79:45 his phone and that's just about it i don't know what his insurance situation
79:50 was so at any rate guys um
79:53 i posted the link and someone's like give austin a job
79:57 austin doesn't need a job from me he'll be back on his feet in no time he's he's
80:01 he's he's a good kid he's he's a good guy what did you price
80:05 it at i put it for 500 bucks so that's about 100 under retail
80:10 so proceeds to austin apparently it's gone already so if if on if someone if whoever
80:17 tried to buy it doesn't actually end up sending the money or whatever else
80:20 oh i really hope i set it to only one in stock because i only have one only the
80:24 first person will get it guys only the first person will get it
80:29 oh i said number in stock oh no okay that's probably because it's sold already
80:33 two sold sorry guys only the first one's gonna get it um anyway so the other
80:38 thing to bear in mind guys is that there are other things in the store and there
80:41 will be more added these ones will go to the Linus media group coffers but this
80:45 one this one's for you austin yay
80:49 yay and i think that's pretty much it for the show today
80:52 i think we're probably good
80:55 um i'm really feeling like there's something else but i can't remember it
81:00 at this point in time someone just messaged me wii u will have
81:04 both ds games but they're marketing them as just ds games obviously because of
81:09 the missing 3d um so i asked trying to specify does that
81:13 mean i can play pokemon x and y on my wii u they've gotta they've gotta lose
81:17 the whole confusingness with their naming scheme thing because you know
81:20 what's really funny is i was mocking people a little bit for not knowing that
81:24 the wii u was a different console i didn't know the 3ds was a different
81:27 console i thought it would have been a what then a ds
81:32 i thought it was just a 3d screen version of a ds and so you could see
81:35 things in 3d when available
81:39 and then 2ds is like not a ds which was
81:43 in 2d it's a it's a 3ds but in 2d yeah
81:49 ridiculous but i have this i have this ds light which already does
81:54 2d yeah would i need a why would i need a 2ds a dslight was just a ds and a dsxl
82:00 was a ds light but big
82:03 like they they got to figure that out i mean maybe in maybe japanese people have
82:07 better memories than us poor slobs over
82:10 here and they can figure all this stuff out and memorize it but i can't
82:14 so there you go i am just as guilty as any of you oh uh
82:19 there's this thing at the bottom of the dock what's that
82:25 oh that that's hilarious it's so
82:28 i know it's old but i had never seen it before and it's hilarious okay so this
82:33 is an ancient article on computer world this is back in 2011.
82:38 march 2011 so almost three years ago where ASUS
82:42 is trying to cut down on shipping waste in taiwan and comes up with the idea of
82:48 shipping their motherboards in a box that also doubles as a case
82:52 so
82:56 it holds the motherboard snug for shipping and is constructed so
82:59 additional components required to make a pc can be added said debbie lee a
83:02 spokeswoman for the taipei based company the product is on display this week cbit
83:06 etc etc etc and here's a video of it that is the stupidest thing that i have
83:10 ever seen in my life speaking of houses burning down
83:15 do you take a piece of electronics that is probably going to be fine
83:20 but may burn up and put it in a cardboard enclosure no you do not their
83:26 whole thing was okay there are punch-out holes for ventilation and a rear panel
83:30 that houses the connectors some people said lee spend a long time looking for a
83:35 case so this box is all they need until they find something
83:38 come on anyway i think that's pretty much it for
83:41 the show guys thank you so much for tuning in we'll see you again next week
83:45 and apparently luke has something i think the new egg show
83:49 is called the naw show the nad show shut
83:52 up naw oh na show really
83:56 new egg just named their new friday show that nash the naw show it's like are you
84:01 going to bother to tune in to Linus after you watch nah
84:05 how much you want to bet they had that conversation off camera those guys are such trolls
84:10 i love those guys i love how it's not oh man we should move our show to friday
84:14 morning we should totally do it when exactly is their show um it's like right
84:20 before us i think the idea is people tune out and then tune right into uh to
84:24 lanchow so i should just do really extended pre-streams every week
84:29 yes really entertaining
84:33 i can pre-stream preparing the doc so people can get like
84:37 a little bit of a preview and i can do live discussions with people about the
84:41 doc and then we can do the full show yeah you yes
84:46 that would be that would be that would be a way to stick it to them
84:51 we need to figure out their exact start time yeah we need to i wouldn't know
84:54 because i never watched their show
84:58 take that paul kyle vu joanne all you guys
85:03 and all the other people whose names i forget there was one that i forgot his name
85:07 like six times at ces is not the worst
85:11 that's why steve that is the only possible uh reason why i would like
85:15 facial recognition on glass i know there's so many reasons why it's bad
85:19 though it would be awesome yeah it would be awesome just be like luke because
85:23 i've forgotten your name before i'm just bad with names it's just so
85:27 much i don't know i and like people will forget my name and get super embarrassed
85:31 about it i'm like dude i don't care yeah because i don't know your same thing you
85:35 know what like i ran into yoinker men from the forum yeah i think a couple
85:38 times at pax and every time it was like like i had no idea who he
85:43 was again and it's nothing personal and like i felt terrible because
85:48 he's one of our biggest contributors he's a really positive influence on the
85:52 form i've talked to him plenty through twitter the way i usually recognize people is by their twitter avatars or
85:57 their forum avatars when people change their form avatars i
86:01 have no idea who they are anymore
86:04 and i mean before msn and steam this
86:08 used to drive me crazy was steem's history of people's usernames only went
86:12 back as far as your local install do you
86:15 remember that yeah that was terrible that was ridiculous and now that they
86:19 have nicknames it's not as much of a problem but back before you could set nicknames for people my steam's friends
86:23 list i have no idea who any of the people are like i'm half tempted to just
86:27 do a complete purge and then start reading select people that make sense
86:31 because i just like and and like i was doing a purge and i was like messaging
86:34 people like who are you and they'd be like you know blah blah blah like uh
86:38 monkey hood i'm like oh monkey okay it's you okay fine but like they changed
86:42 their name and i'm like i don't know what to do okay our show is sort of done now we're
86:46 just kind of like talking about nothing that isn't that cheese
86:51 isn't that basically the whole show i don't know what do you think do you
86:55 think that products should be renamed like gmo like a gmo banana
87:02 i mean what have they changed have they made it bigger
87:05 can they just call it jumbo banana but then is that going to end up trademarked
87:08 by the company that made it and then are we going to end up with jumbo vanet bananas giant bananas uber bananas and
87:13 like maybe it'll be like kleenex and it's going to be an interesting 50 years yeah
87:18 yeah because i think i honestly think
87:22 someone's gonna pick that up at some point and run because someone's gonna be
87:25 like it's not technically a banana anymore or whatever
87:28 it is once and like maybe there will be a threshold like once you get far enough
87:33 away from the original definition of banana
87:36 it becomes something like when does it become something else is a size change
87:40 enough like that's what i mean color change enough i don't know because if
87:44 like a banana was you know bigger and a different color and therefore much more
87:48 impressive maybe you would have to call it something else or maybe it's strictly
87:52 like it might look exactly the same but maybe maybe it's uh based on technical
87:56 changes so like uh if nutrition values
87:59 change by certain thresholds but then how do you quantify the nutrition value
88:03 of a grape like
88:06 unless you test from every batch someone must and then you have to do like a
88:10 custom label for every batch i mean how do they handle that i don't know but
88:13 this is i i think that's going to become an interesting thing at some point in
88:17 time i have no idea how it's going to work i don't know who's going to imagine
88:21 a banana big enough to make a multi-person size banana split like by
88:26 carving out the middle of the banana and putting an ice cream i mean yeah okay there are problems with gmo
88:33 but you want this like
88:36 but let's think about the positive things here for a moment
88:40 let's like build a raft out of bananas like what if you could carve halloween
88:44 pumpkins that were apples
88:49 the pit of that thing is like big enough to beat someone with
88:58 it's like a flail or like like you know blueberries that
89:01 were big enough to have like blueberry fights with
89:07 that would be epic i think we're done here thanks for watching guys i will see
89:10 you next week instead of candyland and you know what i'm super disappointed but you know what
89:14 happened is our our youtube upload in fact i think i yep i saved this this is
89:19 awesome okay well hold on give me a sec here guys because it's probably gonna break
89:22 to break does that even mean i don't know what that's i don't know what this is what is
89:27 that add hold on screen region so this
89:31 is a new one this is one i haven't seen before but uh when i tried to upload our
89:35 announcement for the wan party your settings could not be saved invalid
89:39 request authentication expired which is ridiculous because i had just set upload
89:44 and in order to change it i just went to a different tab i'm clearly still signed
89:48 in so our notification that the stream was live didn't go up until like an hour
89:53 into the show and i'm really sorry about that but anyway the um the archive will be up
89:58 shortly okay peace guys bye