CHEATING IN SCRAPYARD WARS! WAN Show June 16, 2017
Linus Tech Tips
·Linus Tech Tips
·2018-05-06
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13,390 words · ~66 min read
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I was going, "No." Um, and and no, it had nothing. Okay.
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The name Lionus Tech Tips had nothing to do with me being smart. It had
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talking about Paul. Oh, Paul.
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You thought I just hear why here someone
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call someone else smart. It's like obviously you're talking about me.
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Well, okay. So, I've already told Paul I
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think his channel name is very clever, but I think almost everyone who started
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a channel like well before they thought YouTube would like even be a thing
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probably regrets their their name. Their name. Yeah.
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Yeah. Like um like there's that off Tom's Hardware like
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Duncan Duncan 33303. Yeah. 33303 like Saab Kyle04. Like just
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all those kinds of just it's like Yeah. The guy makes the guy makes videos about
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a lot more than just Saab. Does Saab even exist anymore?
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I love I love the guys on the forum whose name will be like like no offense
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to you if this is your name on the forum, but like like GTX 780. Oh,
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then it's like been a few years and it's like uh
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yourself. So, there was a guy on the old NCIX
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forum whose username was like kuck 2004
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and I'm like, dude,
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nothing interesting happened in 2004.
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Okay, 2004 was one of the best years for gaming, hands down. Like, this is
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actually a huge thing. Halo came out in 2004. World of Warcraft's original
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release was in 2004. Um, I don't even know that. I'm trying to No, no, seriously, look it
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up. Look up Look up top five games of 2004.
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Believe you. I'm just saying it's If you Google You can't even share my screen right now, but if you Google top
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games of 2004, let me do this right now cuz this is like this is a thing.
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You know what my next You know what my next YouTube channel?
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Okay. Halflife 2, Doom 3, Grand Theft Auto, San Andreas, Halo 2, World of
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Warcraft, Far Cry, Unreal Tournament 2004
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War. Okay, this is looking like a pretty good lineup. Battlefield Vietnam, Need Underground,
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Glennus has been wrong before. Star Wars Nights of the Old Republic,
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Fable, Sims 2, like we're not into it, but giant game. Okay, Thief Deadly Shadows wasn't very
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good. Okay. But still a good game came
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out in 2004. You're right. Counter-Strike Source by the transitive properties of game
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suck. A Call of Duty game that was still good. Okay. Lord of the Rings Battle for
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Middle Earth was better than it got credit for. Yeah.
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So there's that. There's Tribes. Okay. Painkiller actually Star Wars
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Battlefront. Okay. All right. All right. All right. All right. Anyway, and this is just like the end of that.
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Okay. So the guy didn't play games though. So your argument falls on its
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face right there because not video games. If it was like video games 2004,
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I would have been like, you know what, the Kucks won nothing in 2004.
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Yeah. But then he could have just meant kuck like like is it derogatory
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Canadians? Yeah. I don't know. Like we kind of embrace it, but like
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I don't think there's a a properly derogatory term for Canadians.
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Hey, Paul. Paul Kyle. So, if I were to call you guys like Yankee Doodles, is
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that offensive or is that just like folksy? I think if you add the doodle
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Yeah. What if I called you guys this interview right now? is what you're saying. Basically,
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what's that? You want to you want to end this
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interview right now cuz that's uh Yeah, we take we take very much offense to
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I'm triggered. You're triggered more than I ever have been.
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Triggered. Triggered even mentioned that on live. I have never taken more offense to any
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word than Yankee. Then Yankee. Don't say it out loud, Paul. I'm sorry.
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All right. We can say it to We can say it to each other because we're we are Yankee. Does
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that mean that I get saved? Yankees so we can use it. Is it a residency thing or a citizenship
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thing? Yeah. Yeah. Cuz he's a citizen. So, is he allowed to call you guys Yankees?
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Honestly, I've been called a Yankee so few times in my life that I don't even
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know how it works. Yeah. I was just thought that was a baseball team.
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Assumed it had some there was some like etmological
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history to it. I'm not I don't look up those things. You know,
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I feel like it's all about context and inflection, right? Like probably,
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hey, you Yankee Doodle bastard. I'm like, hey, what's up, bro? But if
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they're like, you Yankee Doodle Dandy,
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and I'm like, whoa, we got we got beef, bro. We we got a fighter here.
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Take it outside. All right, so I I should roll the intro
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at some point. Um and then uh so we have Paul and Kyle on the show to talk about
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the totally fair and totally justified ending to Scrapyard Bors 5.
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And um and I'm going to roll the intro.
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They can still hear us while the intro. We have an intro, Paul. Just so you know, we look better than
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they do. Yeah, we can. Wow.
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Wow. Saying I got the GH5. I'm capturing from the GH5 quality.
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There's so many dicks on this show. We have We have tin foil over our bar
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camera. So, it's not tin foil. It's special cine
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foil. Okay. We should probably spend most of the time talking about Brandon's
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lighting configuration that he set up here because I still
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haven't managed to recreate it. Yeah, there's no it's impossible. Get
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the You need to use the laundry basket. Yeah, the laundry basket.
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Weave the tin foil in between the laundry basket holes.
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Have the light set behind it at just the right distance to create this illusion
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of like depth and mystery to my garage. When Heather saw that that first scene
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in Scrapyard Wars where it's in your garage that Brandon had lit. She was like, "Where is that?" I was like,
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"That's Paul's garage." She was like, "You mean that [ __ ] hole you stream from every Tuesday?"
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Terrible looking place. Yeah, Brandon's really good. Here's the issue with Brandon is that he asks for
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all this expensive fancy camera and
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lighting gear, but then
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you give him like like a roll of duct tape and some chopsticks
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and and he manages to make it look awesome.
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Anyway, paper towel. Yeah. So, I'm kind of sitting here going, why am I spending all this money?
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When Brandon and I used to duo team like every show literally on the planet, um I
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used to take like this Instagram series of photos, which was like Brandon's
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ghetto lighting setups that we would set up in hotel rooms and stuff. And like,
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okay, you have to give the man credit for being able to work with like the
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junk that he sometimes has to work with, but I don't think that's like uh a
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credit to not needing better gear. I think it's a credit to the crap that he
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had to deal with for such a ridiculously long time. It's a matter of the
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definition of the word need. But no, that's that's skill versus
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Have you ever seen the website uh shitty rigs? It's like shitty rigs.com or
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something. It's all these like really poor film students who have to like
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build rig material, camera equipment out of just like paper and duct tape.
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Exactly like what you're saying. You wouldn't look at that site and be like, "Wow, all the people on here, they they
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really don't need better camera gear." Completely functional steady cam board.
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I mean, if I was if I was paying the bill for the gear, then yeah, I totally
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would. That's exactly how that would go down. I mean, I remember and I actually,
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this is this is a true story. I actually
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remember making the argument to Brandon that we shouldn't get seands. So, for
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those of you watching who are not that into filming equipment, um, okay, Luke's
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going to go get one. Luke's going to go get one. Thank you, Luke. Um,
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there's they're on the seaand rack right there. Yes. So, this is a seastand. It uh has
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three feet at the bottom and then it has an extendo pole on this side here and
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then it has this clamp at the top or this knobby at the top that you can use
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to hold stuff or whatever. And I'm like,
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you have got to be kidding me. It's a do some reps.
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It's a pole that holds something and it's like they're like $200. They're not
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cheap for like the big ones like that. And I'm like and Brandon's like, "Well,
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we need a seand so we can put our boom microphone on it." And I'm like, I'll
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show you a boom microphone. And I I pull I This is back when we were operating
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out of the garage. So I grab my motorbike,
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throw it in neutral, roll it over, and
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then I like prop the boom pole like out of the handlebars. And I'm like, look,
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problem solved. He's like, no, that is that is not a solution. I'm like, can we
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record the video right now? It's like, yes. Then it's a solution. No sea stand
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budget until someone like does the like lean
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thing on the boom pole and your bike falls over. Yeah. Until that happens.
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Yeah. All right. Thank God we don't work for you.
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Yeah. So, are we doing news now or are we talking about Scrap Wars now?
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Uh, I don't know. Were there any news topics that jumped out to you guys? Do
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you want to talk about the leaked Core i9 benchmarks? Yeah. Did they take that down yet or is
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it still just there? Um, so it was originally posted on the forum by uh
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who's this PC guy 5960. See this is this
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is one of those PC guy 5960
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is two generations out of date now. Poor PC guy.
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Poor PC guy. Even his logo is an i7. He's going full boore.
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Yep. I know. I know. PC guy never stood a chance.
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Not an X. Um, so basically, uh, allegedly, where where
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are these even from? Uh, it was from Hexus originally.
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Was from Hexus. Let's see if they've got it. Let's see if they've got it pulled down. They do not. It is still up.
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It's still just They're just like, "Here, look at our balls." I feel like
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that's They're They're just They're just
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They're just chilling. You should You should hide those. Put that away. People aren't ready for that
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yet. They're like, "Nope." I mean, this is probably part of a much much deeper
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conversation about the desperation of the um of web written media. Um like I
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mean it's one thing to break an embargo with like
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hm how do I how do I pick someone who
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wouldn't be offended? A data like nice people, great people, good product. Um,
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you know, you could probably survive as a tech publication without being on the
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best of terms with them, though. But like giving the old middle finger to
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Intel, not in like a uh in like a criticizing their product way, cuz I'll
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do that. We're clearly down for that. But in like a in like a breaking a
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legally binding agreement that you signed with them way. There there's a
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difference between like being overly friendly where you give like favorable
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reviews cuz you want like kickbacks or whatever and uh breaking NDAs.
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Yeah. A little bit of professional respect. Breaking NDAs is just being a giant
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jerk. Yeah. And it's not just a jerk to the brand, it's also a jerk to all the other
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publications. All other publications. And in this case, Hexus might not have signed an
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NDA, but they did that knowing they're
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going to find one under the table somewhere else, and they're going to
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screw over all the other guys that are working with Intel to get chips.
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Well, now like all other creators, whether it's text or video, will
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probably get at least a slice less views
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on their content when it comes out because of this. So, it hurts other creators, too. You're being a jerk to
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all your friends, and you're being a jerk to whatever company that's in.
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Hexus is is legit, right? I mean they they're not blacklisted to my knowledge
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at all. They're good standing. They Yeah. Like where did this
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information actually come from? That's the more interesting. Usually when I when you see this kind of
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thing, it's it's it's from some like second WCF video cards.
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Yeah. A publication that you know doesn't get invited to Intel's events
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anyway. They're not on the distribution list for samples or anything like that.
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So it's weird. Seems out of character. This seemed like something I was like,
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"Wow, they're going to pull that down pretty quickly." But I'm assumed it was
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an accident. It's still up. So, um, anyway, I mean, generally the
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news is, uh it'll be a 10 core 20 thread priced at $1,000. This is all allegedly
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because it's a rumor until my NDA expires. Um,
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and it it performs pretty good. Any thoughts?
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Uh, good overclocking. I mean, that's that's that's good to know.
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Yeah. I'm curious to see how the uh the
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18 core is going to overclock though. I I would imagine like you're basically
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you're going to be it's going to come down to Yeah. overclocking is going to
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be on a core by core basis where you're going to actually have to spend a long
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time dialing in an overclock separately for one versus two versus four versus
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eight or 10 cores depending on how the chip's being hit.
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You might need some uh motherboard software to you know hopefully ASUS or
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someone like that develops some software that can handle that sort of thing. Very
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ASUS's BIOS has been doing that for years where you can set different ratios
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depending on how many cores are active. Just I've never really bothered using it
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because there wasn't generally much difference between what you could do on
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two versus six cores. Whereas now we're talking
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about, you know, you can't be running 18 cores at 4.5 GHz all at the same time
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because it would it would melt. I believe they have a software uh an
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operating system software that integrates as well where it it actively
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just looks at whatever executable you're running and then adjusts it based on
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that. So it makes a little bit more hands-off. But can we talk honestly?
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Would you install ASUS software on your system?
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Well, remember Okay. like occasionally
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what was it 2013 2014 how many issues we had with AI suite.
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Yeah. I 2012 I don't remember anymore. AI suite is banned in this building.
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It is when you find it might even be better now. Post about like here's all of the the
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like the black magic and spells you have to cast in order to uninstall it
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properly and actually get it completely removed from your system.
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Yeah. Yeah. It's uh it it's it's usually
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installed on systems that I set up to test ASUS uh like capabilities like on
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an ASUS motherboard, but not much beyond that on on fulltime
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uh systems that I use full time. How hard is installing it? How hard it can
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brick that install if you ever try to boot it on something else like that's
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not an ASUS board. And I'm just sitting here going, how deep are you putting your hooks in? Like
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why why is this necessary?
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So, I'm just looking at some of the benchmark numbers on Hexus.
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So, as expected, it doesn't seem to have a massive impact on gaming. Um, you
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know, there's a little bit of fall off. Actually, the Ryzen CPUs, uh, they're
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testing at 2560 x440, but the Ryzen CPUs are keeping up just fine. Uh, the 8 core
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ones and the six core ones. 3D Mark, I
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mean, it's just kind of that little incremental increase that you get up towards the top ends. Yeah. uh
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running VR, Mark, which I haven't messed around with too much. Yeah, neither have I.
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Me neither. Uh me may m maybe a few years.
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Yeah. People are like, "Luke's checking on the baby." No, Luke's not checking on
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the baby. My my wife Ivon's got the baby. I'm definitely still here.
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Yeah. Yeah. That would be a bad sin. Um Yeah. You're not in charge of the
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baby. No. All right. We've got another pretty big
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topic before we jump into or do you guys just want to talk scrapyard wars now or
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do you want to do one more one more topic? We're ready for your apology whenever
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you guys are. I mean, I know it's hard to to All right, let's do another topic.
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So, this was originally posted by Wicked Paul on the forum. Different Paul.
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That's a wicked Paul. You're like a flaccid Paul. It's
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not. I would I would like to state that he's
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very much like Judy when he needs to be. Um, the CRTC, the Canadian Radio,
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Television, and Telecommunications Commission, just issued a ruling stating
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that cell phone service providers can't charge for phone unlocking and that as
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of December 1st of this year, all new phones have to be sold unlocked.
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How much do you wish that your regulatory bodies cared about you that
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much? This is this is a hard subject for us to
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talk about. Um, it's not fair. That's That's awesome. I am super happy
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for you guys. Go Canada. It's frozen at 4K.
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You guys are always really nice. We're moving there soon. So,
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yeah. Yeah. Um, I mean, this is
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No, that's that's really cool. How how unfriendly a practice is this
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whole phone locking thing? Like, what
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the heck? You guys both bought Pixels probably out of frustration with that
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practice, right? Yeah, I've been I've been with Verizon. I think I had been with Verizon pretty
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much all my life. Like ever since the first time I ever got a cell phone for
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like 10 years ago or whatever it was. And for the first time ever, I switched
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over to AT&T just so I could buy an unlocked Pixel. That's what finally got
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me to switch cuz I was just sort of sick of it. You know, we've been doing more traveling, going to Computex and things
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like that. just wanting to pop in a foreign sim card would be nice and I
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just couldn't believe that my options were so limited with Verizon. So, it's
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it is a big issue for a lot of us here. I'm very happy that this happened. To be
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to be fair, though, how many times did we use that site where it costs like $10
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and you just unlock your phone? Well, it can cost more than that. The last time I did it, I paid like 30.
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Oh, really? Yeah, it depends. I've done it like four or five times.
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Probably every time was under $10. More obscure models tend to require
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more. And sometimes you just like can't even do it. And Belle wanted I think it
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was like $100 to unlock my old iPhone 4
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like back when we first started the company. And I was trying to use that as
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like a cheapo travel phone. Yeah. And it's just like it's so frustrating
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and it's one of those things where like I don't you know I don't disagree with
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the the general sort of right-wing sentiment that
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regulating businesses and putting a bunch of a bunch of red tape in place is
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destructive to businesses's abilities to
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be profitable and to grow and to and to
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maintain themselves. But the just the problem is that we've seen time and time
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again that no matter how unfriendly
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their practices are and how upset it
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makes their customers, they just they just can't they just can't be trusted
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with this. So
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yeah, I guess I I'm I'm glad I'm glad
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that they stepped in because this is one of those things where I think it's a
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pretty tough argument for the carriers to go like, "Oh, you are like adding
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you're adding overhead and you're putting strain on our business to
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maintain all these separate SKUs and to
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and to maintain all this all this bloat
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wear and to and to to No, if anything,
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we are regulating simplifying things.
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Yeah. Well, it's just it's just it's just purely unfriendly to
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consumers. It's exactly like and and like there's
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obviously a lot of things that businesses will do that are unfriendly
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to consumers, but this is like very unnecessarily unfriendly to consumers.
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Yeah. Well, it's purely to lock people into
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the contract. Yeah. So, uh, te Canadian telecoms made a
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total of $37.7 million last year
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charging customers to unlock their cell phones. Wow, that's a lot more than I would have
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expected. Yep. Completely honest. Telecoms warned, this is great, that if
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they didn't charge an unlocking fee for the few customers who want it done, the
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cost would have to be passed on to everyone. So, uh, the CRTC was like,
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"Okay, well then let's just not have locked phones. That sounds great."
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Yeah. Then you don't have to charge anyone a fee ever. Problem solved. Look, look at all this
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administrative burden that we just lifted off of you. There's so many questions.
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They're going to have to figure out a different way to make all of that money unnecessarily from people, though.
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That's a big challenge for them. And they're probably going to have to charge more people more money in order to be
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able to Okay. Yeah. Colton wants us to do a spot
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for this shirt. I want Colton to do a spot for this. Colton, get over here.
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I did not say that. Get over here. Talk about your stupid shirt.
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Isn't this from your stream? Yes. Okay. Yeah. So then I asked Nitro, I was
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like, "Hey, you got any ideas?" And then gave me this. And then there's a big
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argument whether we should have done the one Linus face in the middle or if we
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should have done like multiple like six and then we went with four. Thought it
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was a good mixture. I think four is pretty good. And then uh now we're selling them.
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We've sold a couple. So uh you can get How many have we sold? I'm curious.
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At least 10. Austin Evans has
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one to Austin, one to Luke.
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That's 40 line faces. How how many uh
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sorry where what's the URL? Designed by humans. Designed by humans.
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They sold 10 lines. Sold two and a half shirts.
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Pure cancer. All right. Speaking of pure cancer, um
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you guys cheating. You guys cheating at Scrapyard Wars. Okay. So,
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wow. There are a lot of our viewers who feel
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like who feel like I ripped a deserved
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victory away from you guys. How would you address that?
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Oh, so you read all the top comments on the last video of Scrapyard Worth.
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I did. I did. I do read comments on videos because because unlike you, I
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have a lot of positive comments on my videos that are nice to read. Maybe if
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you made better videos, you would like your comments. Stop playing it safe and just stuck to
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the same routine all the time. Maybe you'd actually stir the pot once in a while.
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Yeah. If you made this video about Intel's new processors, like you could
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have, you know, made it like sad and walked around in the rain and like
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actually given a heartfelt speech about what's going on with Intel, but I don't
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think you did. No, I I did that. Just you made the same serialization.
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I was inspired by Jay's video. I was just copying him. Yeah. Before.
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Yeah. It's funny. Jay was on last week saying that like he had been planning to make
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that video and he saw mine go up and he's like
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I'm just going to do it anyway. Anyway. Okay. Okay. Okay. So, what what
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say you? What say you? Cuz people seem to think that we're like upset at each
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other and that this there's like bitterness. All right. So, I first off, I think we
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just want to point out that we in no way are here to drum up controversy,
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but if you guys want to argue about that and what we're here for in the comments,
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please feel free to go ahead and do so. The main point I think is that there was
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I think there were problems with the
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following of the rules that happened on both sides. And I think the question in
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people's minds cuz we're not we're not we're not denying that. We're not trying
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to come here and say like we didn't cheat or like that hard drive that was
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in there was we bought or anything like that.
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Well, you did buy it technically at some point.
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I might have that might have been a sample. I'm not sure but so technically
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it's a sample zero dollar value. So it's not we won't go down that
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actually doesn't have anything to do with it. just no internal tools but or
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parts. But yeah, I think I think if people are upset, it's cuz that they saw that there
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were was bending if not breaking of the rules on both sides and that if you were
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to negate those against each other and say they canceled each other out and it
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just fell down to the strict performance
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of the systems, which in our case wouldn't have been affected at all by a
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hard drive, for example. uh that that perhaps the the higher
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scores and the more powerful system of the RGB beast which is sitting behind us
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in its uh nearly completed. But Paul, you're forgetting that the
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entire victory of this entire scrapyard war season was determined by an unbiased
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competitor of the actual contest. Oh,
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wait. You're right. Actually, Jesus, I forgot that Lionus was the one who
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actually made the final call as to who won Scrapyard Wars 5.
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the impartial impartial. I I I apologize for Okay. Okay. So So
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my side of this is that I was completely
24:06
ready to concede defeat knowing that
24:11
rules had already been bent
24:15
but not broken on both sides. Luke and I
24:20
might have skirted close.
24:23
Mister wears his Okay, look. I
24:26
What What's the Luke and I part of this? What did I do?
24:30
Okay, hold on. You're inherently you're inherently
24:34
along for you're you're you're I mean, okay, look
24:39
look, think about it this way. If just because your cheating has an aura,
24:43
it doesn't mean that it's my fault. If somebody's driving down a country
24:46
road and baseball bats are being used to
24:50
knock over mailboxes, I'm not saying that you hit the mailbox. I'm just
24:54
saying you were in the car. Okay. Technically, when we were in the car,
24:58
there was no cheating going on. Okay. So, anyway. Anyway, anyway. So,
25:01
Luke and I are going to cover the logo with my bags. Okay.
25:05
That's going to totally work. I legitimately only wear these shirts on
25:09
work days because then I don't have to change my shirt when I'm scrapyards is different.
25:13
I know. Well, I didn't think of it. I'm not going to wear this shirt.
25:16
I only packed these. So, pack something else. I know. I didn't think of scrapyards. I
25:20
didn't think of it. Walking shirtless. I could have lent to Sherman better.
25:24
Okay. Okay. Anyway, anyway, anyway, the point is the point is the negotiations
25:29
had been done already with everyone that
25:32
we talked to before we got there. So,
25:36
we technically didn't get special pricing from stored dude.
25:40
A lot of people thought we did, but a lot of people thought we did, but he actually has a supervisor that he brings
25:44
the parts to and they ring it up. They had no idea. That's even more obvious than your
25:49
blatant shirt advertisement, Lionus. Mhm. Even more obvious than that is your
25:54
voice. Well, there's nothing I can do about that.
25:58
All you could have had Luke do the calling, which
26:01
Scrapyard Wars, you need those voice modulators that you speak into and it
26:04
makes you sound like Darth Vader or something. I will admit this scrapyard wars had an
26:08
issue for me, which is that I drove like I think it was like 430 miles in 3 days
26:13
or something. Like I just I drove in LA. That was like
26:17
that's impossible in LA. Yeah, that was like my job
26:21
for this guy voice was I drove. You also you also modded the front
26:25
panel. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Partially incorrectly.
26:28
Yes. Partially incorrect. That that didn't end up being what cost
26:32
us though. So, I'll give you that. That wasn't a horrible implementation of RGB is what
26:36
ended up costing. Okay. That that was on me. Um, although
26:41
when I was watching it back, you suggested it first,
26:44
but then you changed your mind and then it was it was 100% a joke.
26:49
Okay. Okay. So, anyway anyway anyway anyway. So, and Okay. So, there's a
26:54
couple things. Number one is the pricing from the place where we got the bulk of
26:58
our hardware was actually determined by
27:01
the cashier. There was a cashier and there was a supervisor that he had to call. There's
27:05
two different people that he had to go through to get it. And the supervisor call wasn't in the
27:08
video. So to in the defense of the audience who's like
27:12
okay crying bloody murder about that. Number two is the people who are like yeah
27:16
there's no way someone would let you come in and fish through things like
27:19
that. You know what part of scrapyard wars is pushing the boundaries and
27:25
finding ways to get people to make an exception for you. Whether that's making
27:29
vague kind of weird sexual sounding
27:32
promises by email I will give you rewards that you can't
27:37
possibly imagine. have nothing to do with my influence as a YouTuber, as that
27:41
was never specified before the actual deal was locked into place. And by the
27:45
time I actually finally did exchange money for product, told him who I was
27:50
and who you were, he still had no effing idea who you were.
27:54
So, okay. So, all that is who gave the
27:58
guy who gave the best deal of the entire thing. Has no idea who the hell we are.
28:02
So, okay. So anyway, but my what my point was was that people are like,
28:05
"Yeah, the only reason that guy let you do that was because of who you are." And
28:08
you know what? It's possible that he let me do that because of who I was, but I
28:13
wasn't the only one at the shop digging through stuff. And those people weren't
28:17
me. There was other customers. And obviously, we couldn't film them.
28:20
Multiple other customers. I And going way back, like 15 years ago,
28:26
that's legitimately where they show people things. Also to be clear about
28:29
that part, the first time I ever like took over the
28:33
tech area in a shop was at the Vancouver NCIX 15 years ago as a customer. I came
28:39
in because I had a motherboard RMA to do and I didn't have the hardware that I
28:43
needed to swap out and troubleshoot it. So I brought in my board and they were
28:46
like, "We can't do anything for you for a week." I was like, "That's unacceptable. I have to play video
28:50
games. Look, can I just borrow some hardware? Can I set up a spot on a bench
28:54
here and can I just swap things out and diagnose this?" and they're like,
28:59
"Sure."
29:02
You'd be amazed what people will let you do if you just ask.
29:07
And if you're willing to do all of it, if they don't have to do anything, it
29:10
And if they know that you're Linus Tech Tips. No, but I wasn't Linus Tech Tips. That's
29:14
my point. His name was Ash Catch. You look like you're going
29:17
Ash Ketchum. A Linus Tech Tips fan because of the
29:21
shirt. So anyway, going back to back to the judging. I was fully ready knowing you
29:25
guys had bent rules of your own like
29:29
splitting up for example. That was never made up front.
29:34
That was actually that was Edel told us straight up that we could
29:37
do that no problem. So Edel Edel was screwing with you
29:40
because people were watching our side of it going why do these two go everywhere
29:44
together like a husband and wife? Cuz we wouldn't have done it
29:48
because that's the I wouldn't have had to spend the entire competition driving.
29:52
This is funny. You guys did argue like a married couple, which was which is classic. But putting
29:56
up thing though, we we were under the complete impression that that was not
30:01
there was no rule that we had to always stay together or anything like that.
30:04
I don't think that was ever discussed up front. Yeah. I don't think that was laid out
30:08
for us. Okay. Okay. Well, we technically have it on can camera. So
30:11
like anyway anyway anyway. So so so any but but the point is that's not the only
30:15
rule that was bent on your side either. Rules were bent. But where the rules
30:21
were. See, I would say we only broke we broke the rule with the hard drive.
30:25
The other rules, I would argue.
30:29
What about the money one? Not even a bend. You You could even tell
30:32
after you guys are after Lionus is done rumaging through that warehouse. And And
30:37
by the way, I feel like you guys were still striking up a few little deals
30:41
long after you had arrived and met the guy Michael face to face. Like, how much
30:45
for this fan? $5. But you're going to charge me $5. He told me free first.
30:50
He told me, okay, a lot of this happened off camera, but he told me it was free.
30:54
And then I was like, oh, you know this is a panoflow, right?
30:57
These are worth like 25 bucks. Okay, but even even so,
31:01
and I was like, you cannot charge me for something. I told him, you can't
31:05
you can't charge me for something that you didn't know was worth anything until I told you it was worth something. That
31:09
was my point. And we didn't end up using the fan anyway, by the way. But you know what? You know what said it
31:14
all for me, though? It wasn't even any dialogue or or action that had
31:17
transpired. It was after you guys left that warehouse and you're walking back
31:21
to the car. The look and just the overall expression on Luke's face. You
31:27
guys had done something like you had murdered a child trying to get away with
31:33
it. Told me everything that wasn't shown
31:36
on camera. Whatever you want to say. Luke, I've never seen Luke so in
31:41
distress. You just I didn't like the I did not like um that
31:47
they knew who Lionus was. That bothered me and I didn't like it either. But again,
31:53
so we had talked to him multiple times on the phone and the deal we ended up
31:56
with actually wasn't quite as good as what he agreed to in our initial phone
32:00
call and forgot about. So that's another key factor going way
32:06
back to our first phone call. He he was like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah. We can we got
32:10
all kinds of stuff. It's amazing. This place is amazing. We showed up there, they had like one CPU. Like it the place
32:16
actually wasn't as good as what was kind of sold to us.
32:21
All right. I think he's like trying to uh make this
32:26
like gaming parts sales outfit out of that shop. Um cuz he's like trying cuz
32:32
his boss didn't do that before. Yeah. They didn't care about the gaming parts.
32:35
They just wanted to resell all the like business PCs.
32:38
Yeah. um like workstations and office computers and stuff like that.
32:42
So, I think he was trying to get us in there pretty hard because he's like
32:45
trying to show his boss that there are customers for this at all.
32:49
So, okay. Okay. Um
32:54
yeah. So, so that's that's my defense. So the one clear
32:58
clear and obvious just ju just just red
33:02
card violation of the rules then was
33:06
using your own hardware.
33:10
That that was that was why and you guys and this is this is something that we
33:14
also wasn't shown on camera that Luke and I will be pulling the footage out of
33:18
the archives and showing it at our LTX expo. um that at the time you guys fully
33:24
accepted the referee's decision and it's only now
33:27
you're fighting it. You guys are fighting it.
33:31
Yeah, we This is because we had not seen your
33:35
half of the show. We didn't see any of the
33:39
collusion that was going on between you and Sellers of Hardware who were our
33:46
cheat was found out on the spot. Your cheat was found out a month or two,
33:51
several months after the the the whole series had already been shot, edited,
33:55
and posted to the public. Where's the big difference? We gave you guys the benefit of the
33:59
doubt, assuming, well, well, they would clean something. Their hands are totally clean. Linus
34:04
one through four. He he kept it super clean for five, though.
34:08
Stand up guy that Linus.
34:13
You You also have to consider that Ed's also the one that edited this.
34:16
Yes, that's true. and he's a bit of a troublemaker and a bit of a pot stirer.
34:21
And um pot stirring, you know what? In in Edel's defense, pot stirring gets views
34:25
and creates situations like this which are interesting to watch. Okay, so I'll tell you what, guys.
34:30
TV 101. Let's leave it up to the audience. We
34:34
ran a straw poll.
34:37
It's the most infallible way of
34:41
determining determining any
34:45
straw pole. So, it's closer than I'd like.
34:49
In in their defense, I think they also ran a straw poll and they won on theirs
34:53
by a lot more than we won on ours. That's true. Okay. Yeah, but their viewers hadn't
34:58
heard both sides of the story. That's also true. They had viewed they had viewed the
35:03
entire, you know, four episodes. Yes. They hadn't experienced all four
35:07
episodes. So, uh, no one no one's experienced the proper
35:11
outro. Votes are rolling in fast now.
35:14
Votes are rolling in fast now. Coming in quickly. That would be freaking awesome. Like
35:18
renting out an IMAX and just playing like a marathon of the entire season.
35:23
That'd be pretty cool. That would actually be a really fun like event. Speaking Speaking of events, do
35:28
you guys have any interest in coming up here for LTX?
35:31
When is that? I don't remember. Oh no, we're falling down. Oh. Oh god.
35:38
Oh, the v's coming in really fast. Oh, we're getting close. We're in four
35:41
points. We're getting up there towards four points. Anyway, you guys you guys don't have to
35:45
commit or anything, but I think it's in August, I want to say. Is it in August?
35:48
I thought it was end of July. I can't remember. You know what? It's on the uh Hold on. I'm going to
35:52
navigate away from there. What are you guys doing there?
35:55
July 29th. July 29th. Basically, it's a tech carnival.
36:00
Um Okay. Yeah. So it's it's a con and it's a
36:03
carnival. So we actually have like game against Edzel in CSGO. So we have like
36:09
actual like gaming focus booth. We have like Luke's running like a VR thing
36:12
where people can just like try VR if they haven't which is cool. Um but then we also have like a bungee
36:17
run where you just like run as far as you can and then like a bungee cord. You
36:21
stretch it as far as you can and then it like rips you back into like a big cushion.
36:25
So but you have to do it in socks and sandals, right? No. No. I don't even think you're
36:29
allowed to wear sandals on it. So, we've got a we've got a case toss. So, we are
36:33
doing the case toss the cases. Yeah. I I believe even if we don't find a sponsor
36:37
for the case toss, I don't even care. We're just going to do it. Okay. Yeah. Cuz I've had so many
36:40
questions about like one case brand was like, oh, oh,
36:44
why would we want anyone to do that? Why would we want someone to damage our
36:47
case? I'm like,
36:51
who cares? Obviously, it's not about that. Like,
36:54
by buy another company. I know. I can say there's a
36:58
Thermaltch. Their offices are near here and I've gone through there.
37:03
Yeah. Uh and they have two dumpsters in the
37:06
back that are just full of dead cases like
37:09
case graveyard. Yeah. That they that they decided they apparently can't even use for scrap or
37:14
anything and they're just all dead cases. I don't even like that's not even the issue. They just got like offended that
37:18
we would think that they would be okay with someone throwing their product.
37:22
Just like those are the type of vendors you want to market to or
37:26
you're not showing market. Clearly
37:29
them. Oh, ask Josh. Ask Josh. I forgot about
37:32
that. Fractal Josh would be to blow up a case or something. Oh yeah, he's he's
37:36
he's shotguned one before, right? He shoots up his cases with heroin
37:39
highowered. Wow. This is kind of incredible. We have
37:43
twice as many votes now. maybe more than twice as many votes and it stayed
37:47
exactly the same.
37:50
That's exactly where you want to be when it comes to to to the controversy
37:55
uh getting the the controversy eyeballs. How's your uh how's your scrapyard wars
37:59
machine back there doing by the way? That's is that part of your set now? Yeah. Uh well, it's great to finally be
38:05
able to like have it out there for people to see, you know, um and
38:09
everything hiding it for like 3 months. I'm sorry
38:12
that your guys's build uh isn't available anymore. Uh I I would have
38:17
expected that if you put so much time and effort into it, you're proud of it. You would want to keep it, you know, as
38:22
a momento or whatever. But uh
38:25
you know, since you guys left most of the bulk of it here, uh I believe it
38:28
ended up in the recycle bin. In the recycle bin. Yeah, that's fine. I
38:32
understand. That's probably fair. I understand. I understand.
38:35
Luke's Dremel work was uh I I did take some pictures of it before.
38:39
Okay. That would have been good if you had a reinforced blade. I did. All right. So, I did find my
38:44
reinforced blades, but that was another thing that I just couldn't believe, especially watching
38:48
the that the the episode. It's like I
38:51
have I have a sawzaw right there. Okay. Okay.
38:55
Right there. And I have metal cutting blades for it.
38:59
And I have my uh
39:02
What else do I have? I I have my uh my other saw over there, too.
39:07
Yeah, there it is. That was easy. Wow. You're going to do
39:10
an internal hole on a pel window. You would cut out a window
39:15
with that. Get real. Get real. And
39:19
I'm just saying if you lost your cutting disc and you were like there's nothing
39:22
you cuz that's what you guys said at the time. One, I didn't see that. Two, you're
39:26
going to do How are you going to do that? Are you going to do an internal window? Three. Three. In response to all the
39:31
viewers who were like, there's a hacksaw right behind you. We had like 18
39:34
minutes. Yeah, we had like 18 minutes. They're like, "Yeah, wrap electrical tape around a
39:39
hacksaw blade and go ham." Like, it's steel and we have 18 minutes.
39:44
My jigsaw, though, there's a jigsaw on the on the shelf right now.
39:47
Even the jigsaw, that would have been a pretty rough hole. Like, if you're not
39:50
using a rotary, it would have done it. Well, it would have cut through it.
39:57
It's It's tough to get like really clean cuts even with a Dremel, though. I
40:01
No, it's not. I like actually do that all the time.
40:06
Yeah. any finishing on the edging, like you
40:09
don't you don't do you don't do any filing or anything like that. Uh without a file, if you angle the
40:13
blade and use the flat part of the blade, you can still file it down that
40:16
way. Luke's Luke's cheating. I've actually done this like a lot.
40:21
No, I I do believe you there. Actually, MNPC Tech, they have an old school video
40:24
on doing that where he goes over that that that technique and everything. So,
40:28
I I do believe you there. And I and honestly I do wish that I had remembered
40:33
at the time where my cutting blades were because that wasn't something that I had
40:37
intentionally like wanted to keep I don't like that.
40:40
We wouldn't have won the RGB part anyways. No, you wouldn't have.
40:44
Ours was way cooler than ours was. We would have felt even better cuz it it
40:48
wouldn't have been like wow we obviously should win this. It would have been like wow that was close.
40:52
Our plan with the window I don't think it would have been close. I think you still would have destroyed
40:55
them. Our plan with the Windows was to have the Windows and then we were just
40:59
going to take literally the pile of RGB lighting and just throw it in the case.
41:03
So like it wasn't actually going to be a lot better. We were going for like a
41:07
like a hashtag irony like cancer
41:10
implementation of it in the first place. It was just supposed to be a slightly
41:15
more sensible one. The RGB protest
41:18
make it super ironic over the top. Yes, exactly. That was kind of the idea.
41:22
Jay really likes that kind of dark take on things too. So that probably would
41:25
have played well with him. Yeah. I mean although we couldn't have competed with again more rule bending
41:30
the bribes that some people had for the judges
41:34
which really held no weight in the end. We didn't even
41:40
there with our system but that didn't work out for whatever reason. So we we
41:43
had to present that sent from England though. So we couldn't
41:47
just leave that. Yeah it wasn't. But if it was included
41:50
in the money that they had for the event, that's absolutely completely
41:54
then it would have been completely above board. Yes,
41:58
that's technically a thing. You could you could bribe the judge.
42:01
Yes. It would just have to come from money that your computer
42:05
I have. What would bought candy from the
42:09
gaming? Scariard. Scariard wars. All we have to do is give
42:12
all the budget money to the judge up front. Like we don't even need a system.
42:15
Like just $300 cash.
42:19
Well, as long as you only want 10% of the possible score, then yes.
42:24
Then that would work out perfectly. Damn those rules.
42:28
And and you had a judge with very poor morals. I was anyone else blown away when they
42:34
saw viewers being like, "What are you guys talking about, March? Was this
42:39
really filmed like 3 months ago?"
42:43
Yes. What do you mean? If you see a 10-minute video, it clearly takes 10 minutes to
42:47
make. It was done 10 minutes ago. I enjoyed all the people giving me
42:51
advice after like the first one or two episodes had aired of how we like how we
42:55
should go about doing things next. So, like
42:59
I got I got some tweets and I saw some comments like, "Oh, you guys should do
43:03
this." Like, whatever. Then you can totally win. I I had a few people trying to give
43:08
me uh suggestions on where to buy things
43:11
and like actually really good ones. I
43:14
was just like, I can't use this anymore. I had someone who was like really
43:18
positive like they were like they had my back. Someone else was criticizing
43:23
something about the show and they were like, "Well, you know what? It's really
43:27
expensive to produce. I mean, you know, with a week in between, they've got to
43:31
be like flying up and down all the time between their studio and LA to make
43:35
their other videos. And I'm just like, "Oh, dude, I appreciate it." But like,
43:40
no. Oh, yeah. I saw that coming. It was Luke.
43:46
Yeah. No, no, that isn't how it works.
43:52
Anyway, we tried to fly up and down. Someone's suggesting in Twitch chat that we do a
43:56
followup to this just like a as as a
44:00
like a like a score settler. Okay. Where
44:03
there's no budget. Oh my. You only get to use your YouTube fame to
44:08
acquire parts.
44:11
We have actually considered it. Yes, we have considered it.
44:16
I mean that would probably work to some degree.
44:19
Yeah. Um just all the review samples we've ever
44:22
gotten. I would feel so weird doing that. Be like, "Hey, YouTuber, I get hardware for
44:28
free all the time. Please give me solution like
44:33
terrible." But uh but yeah, I'm sure there would be people who would be happy
44:37
to do it, you know, if they they get a shout out and all that kind of stuff, which is awesome. Like willing to do
44:42
that ego.
44:47
I don't know. Luke and I have actually discussed that concept before
44:51
with like some pretty detailed specifics. And the reason we didn't do it because
44:54
ultimately it would just end up being who can build the best rig with at that
45:01
time 6950X's, dual Titan XPS,
45:06
128 gigs of RAM, and like a massive SSD raid array. Like it's
45:09
you're going to get it all. That that's that's the like problem with it because
45:13
they're just going to be like, "Okay, give it back to me when the show's done." because we had even talked about
45:17
it as like because remember we didn't
45:20
tell you guys what the challenge was going to be until we got there because
45:24
we didn't decide until we were sitting in the airplane waiting for our
45:28
connection or in the airplane in the airport waiting for our connection on our way down there and we were like okay
45:32
what should we do and that was one of the ones we pitched. I was like, "Oh, they're down in City of Industry area.
45:37
So, literally every tech brand is there. Why don't we do use whatever connections
45:42
you want, get whatever you can to cap off the like ego wars, like ego
45:47
wars idea, you could have like
45:51
like state the area that the judging is going to happen.
45:54
Yeah. And then just get a total average out of
45:57
all of the fans that show up.
46:01
So, it's like literally just an ego competition. Like you can post the
46:04
benchmarking results and everything but they get to decide which one they like
46:08
think is better. See the problem is that I am for some reason so unpopular can't imagine why
46:15
that whenever it is a popularity contest.
46:18
So so so because you might lose you're not okay with doing it at all.
46:22
Yes. Which is exactly why I'm so unpopular.
46:26
That's risk management right there. Oh my goodness. Oh man.
46:30
All right. You guys did say you had to go after half an hour. Do you have to
46:33
go? Uh, we can hang out for a few more minutes if uh if you guys have more
46:38
interesting stuff to talk about. Well, we're running right up against our sponsor spots. So, we were thinking we
46:42
kind of had to do that. So, if if that's a good time for us to to
46:46
cut out, then uh then then that would be okay with us.
46:50
Okay. Sure. Well, okay. So, once more, thank you guys for being part of the
46:54
whole thing. I I I hope it was legitimately fun, even though you only
46:58
got a consolation prize. We had a good time. As much as we hate
47:02
to admit it, it was fun. Wars is genuinely really fun.
47:05
Uh, it was great. I think especially since it was like the old school Linus
47:09
Linus Media Group, uh, guys who came down here, that was really cool to hang
47:12
out with you guys. So, yeah, of course, you know, we're still super
47:15
pissed that we lost and everything, but uh, thank you. Thank you for having us
47:19
on Scrapyard Wars and and for bringing us on the WAN Show so you guys
47:22
we'll hold these dear to our hearts. We really will. We'll be in our hearts
47:26
forever. All right. Thanks, guys. Thanks, guys.
47:29
Bye, everybody. See you. Bye, Hero.
47:33
Oh, he's down there licking his butt.
47:37
Gross. That's Paul's dog for those of you who don't know. All right, I'm done. I'm
47:40
cutting up. Paul's.
47:45
All right. All right. So,
47:49
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I don't It's not It's not even that. Oh, look at that. We do have another pack.
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actually see the like spicy stuff on this jerky. Yeah.
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I think maybe those two little bits like
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I'm still doing okay. I'm having some more jerky. Really?
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Yeah. You can handle the ghost pepper. I wonder if it's just
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tolerance cuz we've done this so many times. Yeah, maybe. Like literally maybe cuz I There was one
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show where I ate the ghost pepper and it wrecked me. Or was that the Reaper?
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I thought it was the I thought it was both to be honest.
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It's hot. Like it's really hot but it's not like There's been I know there's
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been times where I like can't handle it. H They should have like random little I'm
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going to keep talking about Savage Jerky. I do this a lot. They should have
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that's like a a little bit of like all of their spiciest ones. That's a good
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something like a challenge pack of beef jerky. Like see how hot they can get.
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That's actually a very cool cool idea. They'll probably watch this spot and
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they will probably make a challenge pack because that would actually be super interesting.
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At least consider it. Yeah. All right, we've got some big news here.
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The original article is from Bloomberg. Call it like the gauntlet.
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Facebook chases television's $70 billion
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stash with its own video series. So,
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Facebook is apparently, this is crazy,
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starting to fund the creation of video series that will begin to appear on
54:14
Facebook.com. So, they're closing deals for their
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first batch of shows, which will be available via a new video tab on
54:21
Facebook that is not there yet. By
54:25
funding original programs, Facebook hopes to entice more production
54:28
companies to upload premium video and will use them to siphon advertising
54:33
dollars away from television. I mean, here's an idea, Facebook. If you guys
54:37
are really serious about video, why don't you actually share some of the ad revenue with the people who are already
54:42
uploading video on your on your platform? Like, we upload to Facebook,
54:45
but we don't get paid for it. So, uh yeah, that would be that would be
54:50
maybe a thing, you guys. I it's it's interesting. That seems to be the flavor of the month. Uh like
54:56
self-produced proper TV shows that you host on a website.
55:01
You know what I'm saying? Like Netflix kind of blew the heck up and then
55:04
instead of redistributing everyone else's stuff,
55:08
started going really really hard with making their own things and actually canceling contracts for redistributing
55:12
other people's stuff and more being a platform for making their own things.
55:15
Amazon video is doing it like crazy. Now Facebook is doing it. YouTube's trying
55:19
to make their own like showike content on their own premium platform. It actually kind of blows me away that
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YouTube has been so incredibly unsuccessful at it. Yes. But they're trying.
55:28
Yeah. It's just like it's kind of remarkable. Yeah.
55:32
Anyway, they're funding two kinds of programs.
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Hero shows will be expensive series from
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established TV producers that will take a few months to produce, and spotlight
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shows will be cheaper videos from publishers like Vox and BuzzFeed.
55:48
All shows will be episodic and designed to spark conversation among Facebook
55:52
users. What do you think? Facebook has paid
55:57
celebrities to use its live video feature and encourage TV networks and
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movie studios movie studios to stream live events and trailers on the social
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network for free promotion. But this is
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a whole other thing.
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I think it's kind of interesting. What's getting a little bit
56:14
frustrating for me is now that there's all these platforms, we have the same
56:17
kind of issue that we had before, like on TV.
56:21
Yeah. Where it if the idea was that, okay, you
56:25
buy your cable subscription and you've got access to all your content
56:28
and then there's so many different channels now you need all the different packages and it's like, oh my goodness,
56:33
this costs so much now. Need that too. Um, this costs so much now. Um, which is
56:40
frustrating. And then now everyone has their own platform.
56:44
Yep. So now it's like, oh, before if I wanted to watch TV shows,
56:48
sorry, if I wanted to watch TV shows, I would just subscribe to Netflix.
56:53
Yeah. And now it's it's not even that like I'm not even just saying this because of
56:57
flow plane. But it's my main frustration is that it's actually all in different
57:00
places. So here's here's one argument and it
57:04
doesn't it doesn't actually help with the last thing you just said, but I had
57:08
already kind of committed to saying this before you said that. So now I'm stuck.
57:12
Um, at least even after you subscribe to
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Netflix and Hulu and Amazon Prime Video
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and YouTube Red and Facebook Video, I
57:23
don't even know if they're going to charge HBO Go and Floatplane.
57:28
Even after you subscribe to all of those things, you're still paying less than
57:31
what like Nick pays for his cable TV subscription. So if you're a cord cutter
57:36
No, I hear that it's not that bad. I mean, it's better to be a cord cutter. It'd be nice if it
57:40
all consolid like it'd be nice if Plex could just
57:43
Yeah. Like that would be it. That would You know what? Plex make that cuz that's
57:49
honestly my biggest complaint is that I have to go all over the place. And like
57:52
it's a little bit frustrating because even with all these bajillion different platforms, I still can't get everything.
57:58
I want to watch Star Wars Rebels. I can't.
58:01
Right. You can't do it in Canada legally. Like
58:04
Yeah, I know. There's like multiple many different ways to pirate it, which I
58:09
found while trying to buy it legally because I couldn't find a way to find it
58:13
legally. And there was all the pirate ones right at the top cuz it's so difficult.
58:17
To be fair, for the people that don't know, we're in Canada. That's why it's a
58:20
problem. Yeah. In the States, it's not a problem. Wow. Just buy the DVDs. I have to do it at
58:25
the end of the season. That's what I'm doing. I bought the first two seasons on
58:28
DVD. Viewers on the show have tanked since Paul and Kyle left. We should get them
58:33
back. Paul, Kyle, come back. Please help us.
58:36
Yeah. Um, all right. Moving on to our next topic then.
58:41
The iPad Pro outperforms the MacBook Pro
58:44
in some CPU and GPU tasks. The original
58:48
article here is from 9 to5 Mac and it was posted by Hey Yo on the forum. Now,
58:54
to be clear, we're talking about Geekbench, I think, in this case, um,
59:00
which is not the be all and end all of,
59:05
you know, performance benchmarks necessarily. And this is very much an
59:09
apples to oranges comparison,
59:12
but they uh they stacked the 2017 and
59:16
2016 MacBook Pro with Touch Bar models up against four different iPad Pro
59:20
models and put them through a series of Geekbench and GFX Bench tests looking at
59:24
CPU and GPU performance. Yeah, I'm usually really against like
59:27
just blindly hating on things, but uh oh, this in the chat said, "Comparing
59:32
crap with crap. Great." And I just I just
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it was good. I like that one.
59:40
Well, the MacBook Pro is not uh the latest one. Like,
59:43
but I think what he's saying is like I like Yeah, but it's probably by not a
59:48
huge amount. And like I don't know if this is going to influence anyone's
59:51
purchasing decision. So, no, because they're completely different devices. It's like saying
59:56
it's like saying that your toaster outperforms your oven in some
60:00
benchmarks. Yeah, that's nice. And they're both heat stuff
60:04
up. like they're similar in that in that way, but in much the same way that you
60:08
wouldn't um you know edit video in a
60:12
serious way on an iPad Pro. You wouldn't
60:16
bake a turkey in a in a toaster. So,
60:19
but you could not the whole thing. Not a toaster oven. Well, okay. Okay.
60:24
You could you could make turkey in a toaster if it came to that.
60:30
Where there's a will, there's a way. So the uh apparently the 12.9 and 10.5 in
60:35
models did edge out both MacBook Pro models. And for multi-core CPU
60:40
performance though the MacBook Pro came out on top but in second place the 2017
60:45
one. In second place was the 10 and a half in iPad Pro. So the couple caveats
60:50
the benchmark tests are not necessarily anything to do with real world. MacBook
60:54
Pro models have larger higher resolution displays than the iPad Pros which play a
60:58
role especially in GPU tests. than iOS's software is nearly perfectly optimized
61:02
for the devices it runs on, whereas there's a bit more room for error when
61:05
it comes to macOS. Okay, I don't know if that's necessarily a valid um yeah,
61:10
that doesn't make any sense. I don't know how that ended up in the notes. All right, leaked AMD's Epic 7000 series.
61:17
We don't have Xbox One X news in the dock.
61:21
Xbox One X? Oh, yeah. Do you want to talk about it?
61:25
It's not in the dock. I can go find a thing. I know the name is stupid. Yeah,
61:29
cool. Again. Yeah. So, AMD Epic 7000. Apparently, it's
61:34
supposed to launch on June 20th. Oh, wow. Okay, that's really soon. So, um
61:39
Oh, okay. No, maybe this is just the NDA lifts. So, it's supposed to be,
61:43
according to this article, up to 32 high performance Zen cores, eight channel
61:49
DDR4 memory with up to two terabytes of memory supported per CPU,
61:54
128 PCI Express lanes,
61:57
um, an integrated chipset, whatever that means. I think they just mean an onboard
62:00
memory controller. Maybe they've brought some more stuff on board and socket
62:04
compatible with next generation epic processors. So, AMD has talked about
62:08
this. They have a plan for Zen moving forward. This is not a a one and done.
62:14
Um, so the idea is no compromise on one socket. Something something something a
62:19
bunch of grass and uh Oh, look at that. They've got like a whole a whole lineup
62:24
showing how they plan to compare against the existing V4 Xeons.
62:30
Very cool. All right. They're going to
62:34
have up to 180 watt server chips. Holy
62:40
actual moly. That's incredible. All right, then.
62:46
Cool. So, that's all rumored, though. We don't know any of that for sure.
62:51
Another rumor. This was posted by NVIDIA Intel AMD love triangle on the forum.
62:56
Well, that's a uh that that's a username
63:00
that'll never get unfunny cuz that's sure not happening.
63:04
Upcoming. This is originally from Guru 3D. upcoming GeForce GTX Volulta cards
63:11
apparently to use GDDR5X,
63:14
not HBM2 like some of their high-end workstation cards. So, the GP100
63:19
actually already uses HBM2 and uh to my
63:23
knowledge, the Tesla, what is it, the V100 or whatever it's
63:29
called, the the new one, the the Voltabased uh Tesla card.
63:33
Oh, yeah. Yeah. though that one is going to use HBM2 as well. But no, the rumor here is
63:40
that uh let's have a look here. While
63:44
HBM2 would offer potentially some
63:47
performance improvement, it is simply too expensive for consumer products at
63:53
this time. And if the rumored pricing of AMD's
63:57
um uh what what are they calling it?
64:00
Frontier Frontier Edition. Frontier edition. Yeah.
64:05
I'm pretty darn sure it's Frontier Edition. Yeah, Vega Frontier Edition. If the
64:09
rumored pricing of Frontier Edition is anything to go by, looks like it's going
64:12
to be around $1,200 to $1,800,
64:16
then I think that uh that may that may
64:20
just be the case, and there might not be a whole lot we can do about that.
64:26
Um, I'm going to try to make this very
64:30
quickly. I don't understand what this means. Okay, so I think that's pretty
64:36
much uh I think that's pretty much it
64:40
in terms of all cont Oh, wait. Whoa, whoa, hold on a second. What is this?
64:46
This what? This isn't real. What? What is this?
64:52
What? Hold on a second. Inside.com. Is this Is
64:56
this real? Who? A 70-year-old great-g
64:59
grandandmother is opening up after surviving 5 days trapped in her car
65:05
after crashing 40 feet down an embankment. Five broken ribs, a broken
65:09
back. She told Inside Edition she was in
65:12
pain but considers herself lucky. Bob.
65:16
What?
65:20
It wasn't too long before her family grew worried. her nephew Bob.
65:25
Bob. Bob. BS mom. Bob Stewart.
65:28
Bob. That's freaking awesome. No way. When Bob saw the car for the first time
65:33
after her rescue, he got emotional as memories came floating back. That's
65:36
understandable. When I first heard a voice, I was just
65:40
looking over the edge. The more I looked, the more I could see. The brush was disturbed a little bit. Holy crap.
65:47
Bob, you're a badass. Their only clue was a ping from a cell phone tower that
65:52
covered several miles along Route 12, which is about 2 hours out of Seattle.
65:56
We didn't know if we were looking for just a car or just the phone, he
66:00
recalled. They had to search hundreds of roads nearly impossible to access.
66:05
Holy cow, look at the car.
66:09
Oh no, this is a different one. Never mind. That's motorist crashes into swimming pool.
66:13
I don't think there's pictures of this. Wow. Way to go, Bob. So, I misunderstood
66:18
the uh the headline here. Scrapyard Wars
66:22
4 champion saves a life. I was like I thought I was reading five and I was
66:26
like I'm sure Paul and Kyle would might have mentioned that. Also, they didn't
66:29
win and so neither of us saved a life recently.
66:33
Wow. So, yeah, Bob from BS Mod freaking
66:37
found his Wow. Way to go, Bob.
66:41
You the man, man. Um Oh, this is great. So, originally
66:46
posted by Lionus Touch Tips on the forum. Wow, whatever that means.
66:49
Original article from Guru 3D. Razer launches a new Blade Stealth with a 13.3
66:55
in display and a new gunmetal color option. So, if there was any doubt in my
66:59
mind before as to whether or not I am in Razer's good books right now, this
67:03
pretty much seals it. I didn't hear about this until I read it in the news.
67:09
Oh my goodness. So, there you there you go.
67:12
Yeah. Really? All right. So, I think that pretty much wraps it up for this week's WAN Show.
67:17
Thank you guys very much for tuning in. We will see you again next week. Same
67:20
bat time, same bat channel. Uh, Xbox One X news. Uh, you can read
67:26
all the specs on their website. Ours Technica has a really good breakdown of
67:30
specs of like all the current edition consoles, uh, which is actually pretty
67:34
cool. So, check that out. I will post that in the chat just in case you're
67:38
looking for it. The name is really dumb. The again just like always uh the name
67:44
that they had before Xbox Scorpio was
67:48
pretty freaking cool and they just canned that went with Xbox One X I guess
67:53
so that the acronym still is Xbox um
67:59
so that's weird but okay.
68:02
Everything's okay. That's about it. True 4K but like what
68:06
games are going to support it? Pretty sure ours answers that too. Go check
68:09
that out. True 4K on that GPU.
68:13
Apparently, it's true 4K.
68:17
Whatever. See you next time.
68:21
Yes, Joy. I'll be streaming tonight.
68:28
This guy says, "Luke, indie game dev here. Would you be interested in a short
68:32
two-player game on one keyboard based on the Lancho intro?" And you'd have to
68:37
drag the sofa in together. Is that a Is that a game?
68:41
You could play it instead of running the simulator.
68:44
I think we're good. I mean, I can't speak for you. It was addressed to you.
68:49
No, I I think that's okay. Does that just mean I have to carry the whole
68:52
couch and you just don't really play? I I don't know. You play for like the first half and
68:56
you're just like, uh, great great game. 10 out of 10 IGN.