Intel FINALLY Reacts to Ryzen Threat - WAN Show April 14, 2017
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·Linus Tech Tips
·2017-05-06
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yeah and welcome to the W show we uh
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have a great great topic for you guys
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today yes and a bunch of crap oh we have
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one great topic do we have a lot of great topics I haven't looked at the doc so I have no idea what the topics are
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today it's going to be a wonderful show it will be a wonderful show I'm looking
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forward news yes leaked specs for an
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upcoming AMD graphics card is it Vega
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no no it isn't um we have Intel news
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yeah we have more AMD news more ryzen news I mean would it be the wo without
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weekly risen news I I I made that joke in the fake pre-roll thing that I filmed
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being like it's 2017 and it's the W show therefore AMD news and also RGB news yes
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my friends behind me on my other side we've got RGB
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workstations all of our editors are going they're upgrading for 2017 and you
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know having more colors in the computer helps with color correction 10 core
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processors double the memory better graphics cards
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ddr4 RGB and tempered glass oh jeez
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tempered glass my friend uh what else we
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got here oh Intel rumors too we have we
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have rumors from everybody um but we'll tell you more about that later
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first the pre-recorded intro
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what wow Colton isn't job anymore does he even
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have a job here anymore no well not now you just screwed that up yeah actually
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you know what do you want to fire him or should I C you're fired wow that's uh I
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mean you were you were so quick on the trigger there you couldn't even you
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couldn't even like respond to me that
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you wanted to be the one to fire him you were just going straight for the fire
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but I still need you to do stuff so if you could like show up on Monday
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yeah that would be great thanks that
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would be SW that would be really good um
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so yeah we actually actually you know what there is legitimately a lot of
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interesting news this week so I guess speaking of people who don't have to be
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fired James as well um yeah big big
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leaks make it in big leaks big leaks oh
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big leag leaks Big League leaks big leak
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be the most annoying name for I'm going to like start gleeking if I say say that
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long enough remember gleeking I remember the kids in my high school that would
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like they'd run around and be like and they'd like so weird and I'm
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just like wow like I have spit on me but
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you're the one you're the one who should feel gross
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yeah AMD radon RX 500 series official
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presentation allegedly leaked gaming
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benchmarks and specs allegedly confirmed
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and the source here is uh well the article we have is wccf Tech but I we
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should just start calling them Tech don't you get a kick out of like uh
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websites that exist based on leaking
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confidential information from other websites that are like we better
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Watermark these images yeah so that other websites don't don't steal this
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content legitimately like and the my favorite
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part too fry me a river is when someone will steal like content like like say
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this was an accidental launch like what Happ I'm not going to call out the
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website name but what like what happened around the 1080 TI sure like where they
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screw up the time zones and they accident oh no and then they pull their
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own article down but someone else has cashed it so they take the images steal
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those images and then Watermark them
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themselves that's how you get Jack
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that is how you get jacked all right speaking of jacked
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according to the rumors Polaris uh is
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it's going to be called okay I have to make sure that I am only saying things
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that are in the leak so uh they're calling it Polaris refresh and uh
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suggesting that it's going to be kind of Polaris but jacked so they're showcasing
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specifications gaming performance and it looks like the series will be uh
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utilizing a a refreshed sort of cooling system and power configuration all cards
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except the radon rx550 will use dual fan
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cooling solutions as standard
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um AMD the the alleged leak of the
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alleged slides alleges that AMD also
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will be offering higher stable operation underload higher frequency stable
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operation underload with better overclocking and that they will
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allegedly be available on April
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18th so there you have it now you know
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what allegedly may or may not be true so
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here are some alleged slides um so this
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if true for the RX 580 so this would be
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AMD's Flagship until Vega because as
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much as I would love to be talking about Vega right now I'm not
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so 8 GS of RAM I guess it looks looks
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like maybe that would be standard I'm I'm actually not sure oh
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no allegedly rx580 will have both eight
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and 4 gig variants okay so that's that's same as before then so yeah okay and it
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will outperform the R9 38x which is good I
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guess where's the zero I don't like when
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they don't label graphs cuz like you see you see the like chunk difference this
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is zero I think we're good yeah I think we're good we're good cuz 50 versus 69
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okay that's fair at 69 always wins yep
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uh so here's an RX whatever that's supposed to be wow yeah great slide good
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job you know if you're going to leak and steal slides you might as well take a
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better photo yeah get on it okay and uh
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take responsibility for your photo quality man you know here's the thing
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how are you expecting not to get CAU like aren't they going to just like look
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back and be like who was sitting there yeah at this time yeah I was even
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thinking cuz like you don't want to do phone confiscation at these events cuz
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that's sketchy you never want to give your phone away yeah so maybe they should give like people little boxes and
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they like have to put the phone in the box and it's on like a timed release and
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it could be like a cool souvenir box yeah like it could it could like make oh
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it could be a music box so no one could open it cuz it'd be
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like
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that would be so awesome decorative
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commemorative music boxes for their events
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okay that idea is is W show wow like
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like copyright okay which means you can use it we just want how much do we ask
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we usually say 10% we say 10% so we want
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10 % of the money you'll make on giving away boxes to journalists at
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events yeah which isn't to say that we're going to pay you yeah 10% of the
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cost yeah we don't we don't do that part that's what that sounds like but that's not what's going on yes um so there's a
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so all right so the 570 is apparently much faster than a 370 which is also
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fortunate because it's sort of been a while yes um 5 560 is apparently much
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faster than a 360 and a 750 Ti like I we
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we both do same why are we comparing to the 750 Ti I think the reason why they do this
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where they jump back a couple Generations is cuz that's the upgrade
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cycle I get it but like that's just step
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into radon RX with a 550 how much is
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this going to cost uh doesn't say 4K
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home theater PC ready you know that it is not a gaming card when they start
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talking about the home theater and photo
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oh boy and Photoshop and Adobe Premiere with that said like from uh my testing
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having just like a graphics card is
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legitimately way better and then stepping up to higher end graphics cards
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legitimately doesn't make much of a difference my like housemate person does
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photo editing stuff and like has to have a GPU y not even super important which
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one it is just has to have a GPU got to have a GPU yeah so here they're
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comparing to Intel HD 530 graphics and the Radeon
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r7250 and I mean that it's it's not much
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of a competition so there's that I me you know I'd be wondering if this card
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so I don't know pricing uh there's no leaked pricing here but I would be
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wondering if this card could Merit a
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revisiting of low-end graphics cards do
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they suck oh my God that would actually
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be kind of cool cuz we've made okay we've made two of these lonus hosted one of them I hosted another one we both
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agree by the way yes very much so and they pointless I was just addressing
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comments on his video to be completely honest and doing it with an a newer card
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I that's probably the closest thing to a mean comments video that we've ever
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done yeah pretty close yeah like addressing mean comments except instead
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of most people just like reading it and then looking sad at the camera we were
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like Get
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Wrecked here's why you're wrong and here are four more reasons why you're wrong
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also here's me putting them like this so yeah so maybe we do mean
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comments videos a little bit differently all right speaking of mean
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comments uh yeah that's actually a pretty good idea yeah it's probably it's
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probably worth revisiting if it's any good yeah o
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aholic has ryzen 5 the 1600 X breaking
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lay records at 5.9 GHz on the Crosshair
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6 hero motherboard this is the same motherboard
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like people are upset at me for using in our video because whatever people oh
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people can get upset about anything so there's a CPU at the bottom of a
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Frozen doad and you know it's extreme overclocking I I know it's called a pot
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um it's extreme overclocking so there's like six people watching who are
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interested and for everyone else we'll move on pretty quickly here don't worry
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but um German overclocker Roman hardung
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I mean I'm sure it's pronounced differently than that in German but uh pushed it to 5.9 using some gskill ddr4
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memory set to work at ddr4 3000 cost 12 bus speed of 130 MHz liquid
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nitrogen all cores and threads were enabled and he ran cine
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bench um GPU Pi GPU pi and geek bench in these
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four benchmarks he achieved Global firsts overtaking all Intel hex core
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processors none of which matters because you know it's funny I
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think everyone has gone through this maybe I mean you might be about to make
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me feel stupid which I wouldn't like um but I'm going to put myself out there
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anyway cuz I'm all about putting out um
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okay didn't we did we all go through a
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time when we first heard of liquid nitrogen overclocking where we went I'm
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going to have a liquid nitrogen cool computer one day and we start
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researching it no I literally looked at
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it and was like that's really stupid cuz that's going to be a
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consumable how old were you not that
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old maybe grade seven at the
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max so I thought that there might be some way to
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like use it it like phase change it and
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like I don't know maybe you would pressurize it back down into a liquid
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and then you would something something okay so maybe but then at that point my
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brain would have gone way too expensive
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and I would never do that yeah so anyway and like super volatile anyway liquid
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nitrogen is irrelevant the most you can do for actual 247 operation and even
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This is Not Practical is phase change so
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we're talking like minus 40 or so real like really loud and
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really big noxious and it's bulky and
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it's basically like this guy and would
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you invite this guy into your computer room maybe maybe they would how's it
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going I'd like to check out your computer room may I
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enter straw pole 99% yes one
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troll that sounds very much like the old uh LT intro yeah it's not that far
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off the porn intro terrible
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um what else do we have today I mean do we do we even have topics oh yeah
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actually this is pretty cool so the
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rumors that were circulating that Intel
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was slashing prices on their CPUs in
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advance of AMD's ryzen 7 launch those turned out to be more to do with
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Microcenter being Microcenter and selling Intel processors
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at a loss for no apparent reason
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I nor anyone outside of Microcenter seems to have able been able to crack
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the the mystery as to how they're able to sell CPUs at like 50 plus dollars
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below cost and still be in business all these years later
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um but if you thought for a second that
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Intel wasn't going to respond in any way
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then you were definitely wrong or at least rumored wrong we actually don't
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have confirmation on this one way or the other so I can kind of say whatever I
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want right now Intel's Skylake X so this is from techspot.com and kbl Lake X
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processors rumored to arrive earlier than initially anticipated so this is a
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clear direct response to ryzen 7 because
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both Sky Lake X and kbl Lake X are the
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legging behind um sort of enter surprise Zeon
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version that then gets adapted into this
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this Middle Ground so at the entry level you've got
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115x 1156 1155 1150 1151 is that all of
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them can they just change the socket count the pin count to something other
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than 115 something yes it's rather annoying at this point I feel like
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they're just toying with me they're just trying to make it hard to
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remember so that's at the low end and the and the mid-range and sort of
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5556 I think you got it okay yeah awesome so there's that then at the very
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high end there's your LGA 20113 or 2011 and the previously 1366
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and I think there was a there was actually 25 something can't remember
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there there's there's a different one there's like a and there's like nights landing and stuff I forget how many pins
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that bloody thing has it's a huge anyway
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so that's your server right there then they take those same server
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architecture chips those same those same designs and they kind of trickle them
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down into the the pro suer workstation
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like professional is and also very very
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high-end Enthusiast and that's going to be your 20113 based on your x99 chipset
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or like your your X something 999
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chipset so what's happened is that for
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the last I don't know how long's it been 5 years ever since I think lynfield so
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lynfield launched after Bloomfield if I
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recall correctly I feel like it's been launch so the Enthusiast platform got
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the high end back in the 1366 days so
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this was um yeah got the high-end first I believe
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and then lynfield 1156 came later you
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thought it was five years since lynfield yeah when was Linfield eight oh
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crap why am I so old okay but lynfield
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came after Bloomfield right let's hope
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anyway so I'm going to tell the story My Way regardless so then what happened
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after that was we went from the Enthusiast platform getting the new
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architecture first cuz lynfield was basically Bloomfield but like crappier
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um because it was like dual cores and stuff and then we went from well okay
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they did have a quad okay look the point is don't stress about it we went from
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the Enthusiast getting the update first and then the mainstream getting it to
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the main stream getting the new architecture first and then Enthusiast
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getting it later because we were waiting for the Enterprise to adopt it and then
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we were waiting for that to to trickle down to the the highend and like the the
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workstation and the Enthusiast market so was it right did I have it uh yeah okay
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also there was 5,000 people sitting on the twitch from that uh little thing we
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did but anyways um so sorry to all of
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those people who are there and we are um
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recording this actually the next day
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um so anyway so what it so what happened
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then was you would get mainstream
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processors that benefited from the even if it's just five or or 10% Improvement
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in IPC you'd get mainstream processors that seriously
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outperformed much more expensive ones
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that were supposedly workstation or that were Enthusiast class and that has
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remained true basically since that time
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so what this article means finally full
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circle back to this article where the rumor is that both Sky Lake X so that's
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the bigger Sky lake with more course and KB Lake X the fact that both of these
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are apparently on an accelerated timetable means that it looks like Intel
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is trying to kind of get caught up so they're not fighting ryzen 7
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with not even current generation chips
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because the normal Cadence would have Intel launching a a followup to K Lake
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in June at computex and then launching
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what would finally then be uh Sky Lake e
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months later at around the packs time frame no no which is super weird so now
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Sky l x is moving mov up from sometime
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in Q3 to June so that's around computex
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time frame and will apparently include six and 10 core CPUs support for Quad
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Channel ddr4 2667 uh memory and
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44 PCI E
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Lanes um I am a little confused
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about the what this particular hold on a
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second um so we're going to get an x299
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chipset to accompany that apparently and I don't understand um
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what part what what these kbl Lake X
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notes mean so a KB Lake X apparently
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is also going to be on the 2066 socket
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but with just four cores dual Channel memory and far fewer PCI elanes well
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then why would you put it on that socket instead of just putting it on an
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11 um my only guess for that I would be
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if you want a box with huge amounts of RAM and don't actually care about
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compute speed yeah but if you only have two channels you wouldn't be able to do
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that oh is it actually so what does this even what does this even
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mean two channels yeah huh this like the old only
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benefit of the higher-end platform is more cores more PCI lanes and more
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memory channels so if you took all that stuff off then you'd be
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dumb um well I don't know it's a rumor
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so the fact that it makes no sense
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whatsoever um might be fine in might be fine and apparently they'll lack an
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integrated GPU so that's one difference but uh stay tuned so there's
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that okay so here's another rumor this one I
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hadn't even heard of new Intel KB Lake G KB lake g g
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Edition uh the original article here is from Tech PowerUp what G you know like
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cuz that's what isn't that what rappers do they like hug themselves yeah just
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like you know
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yo oh jez um so rumored Intel kbl Lake G
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Series modular
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multi- hbm2 and this is a big question mark
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here and you can't see it CU it's cut off AMD Graphics intellectual property
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whoa can you imagine that can you
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imagine an Intel CPU with AMD graphics
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on board okay if this happens we have to make a system with this processor and an
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NVIDIA graphics card just for pure laws
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yeah so we could have all three married
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for the first time ever since I did my Intel CPU SLI and Crossfire system that
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thing was epic that thing was stupid epic so stupid hey you should go back to
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that and use um
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unraid to have an SLI and Crossfire
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system properly running both on the same box no SLI or Crossfire in
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virtualization yet but if they get it working that would be sick I guarantee
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you it will happen cuz then you could be like Optimal situation for whichever
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game you want to run I actually have a new unraid plan one that I don't think
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you've heard about yet um we'll get back to KB lake g in a minute talking about
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it on it's all good yeah actually no I'll tell you about it after KB Lake G
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um it it I think you're going to like it I think you're going to be like yeah that's pretty cool so KB Lake G uh the
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company has already played with such a design before with its Clarkdale family
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of processors uh so this would be like a heterogeneous modular approach to the
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CPU that allows them to integrate external graphic Solutions like that
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could be produced in other factories and they could just like fit them on the
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package so instead of having it on die so uh back to back to Clarkdale if I
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recall correctly had the CPU cores and
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then like the igpu and they were both on the same package but they didn't share a
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die so they didn't have to be actually manufacture at the same time so this
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would allow them to put them together on the package and potentially like mix and
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match them so they could save die space on their 10 nanometer dies for actual
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cores increase yields and
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uh potentially you know work with a
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potential partner like AMD on putting
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very different Graphics technology on the package with the
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CPU now one of the things that's been
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speculated and I I'm not the only one who has who has brought this up is that
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this is part of the Reas that AMD split into AMD and Radeon Technology
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Group okay because if Intel had to put
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AMD Radeon graphics on their box that
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would be a big no no but if they do radon technology if it was Radeon
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Technologies Group um then it's probably
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fine Graphics I think that might be quite a bit more palatable yeah and then
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Ron Technology Group Graphics which is also work with AMD that's right which is
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fine which is fine yeah and it could be owned by AMD but like there's there's so
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much of that where like the the distinction between um you know Lexus
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and Toyota is is purely in name but that
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doesn't change that there's a consumer perception and that other brands have to
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be aware of a different consumer perception that's towards radon
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Technologies Group and AMD right
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interesting yeah um so anyway back to that unraid project um um I'm planning
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to do the the like the best streaming PC
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and you know how every streamer that's worth their salt is running two boxes
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right rude uh yes it's it it goes back
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and forth a little bit but a lot of the like bigger time ones do yep because
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it's just it's more flexible in a lot of ways yes it increases cost but by the
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time you've got you know a box and you upgrade your machine you kind of go oh
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well that now that's my streaming box I can see how it's a natural upgrade path
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that many streamers would go through as they grow their following and are
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starting to invest more into what they're doing so I think with
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virtualization I could run my two boxes in one
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box okay with enough processing course that I could do x264 CPU software
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encoding on one of them with a separate monitor keyboard mouse like battle
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station command station style and
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without giving up gaming performance on the main gaming box that'd be pretty
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cool so that's the goal uh have you thought about a Hackintosh and Windows
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PC in one PC built um yes but it's uh it's a
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sensitive topic you know working with
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unraid around Hackintosh where they're like oh we don't want to touch that with
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a 10-ft pole so they're not going to support me on it and
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um yeah it's it's a it's such a gray area I mean it's not even gray it's
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illegal is it yeah cuz you have not paid
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for the software because the software is provided with the purchase of a
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Macintosh but you used to be able to buy the software you I don't believe you can
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anymore okay but you used to be able to then I think it was more gray okay yeah
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that makes sense um actually speaking of Apple news we've got something that we
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you're good just like don't do anything with it and don't
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like pull it out on the plane and I was like 100% yeah unless United's trying to
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drag you off the plane then maybe you could defend yourself a little bit with
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it get away from me um oh jeez so
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meanwhile they've they've confiscated like four of my Spyderco ladybugs which
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are like this big yeah yeah of course
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brilliant freaking brilliant um anyway that that was a very
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long not an official thing but it's it's happened at all it's happened twice not
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even a thing no no uh but basically um
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more terrible speaking of things that are not
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terrible fresh books fresh books is super easy to use it's the invoicing and
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payment directly through fresh books nice uh um what else do we got here
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oh this is like I read the future read
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the future read the past I participated in the past and influenced the
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future um apparently Microsoft seems to
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think that variable refresh rate is
33:17
coming to a TV near
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you so this would be uh technology like
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gsync and freesync so the idea being that well okay you
33:31
guys probably know what variable refresh rate is but basically project Scorpio apparently
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supports freesync with Microsoft working with TV manufacturers to try and push
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them to support it as well the latest HDMI 2.1 specification also supports
33:48
variable refresh rate so there you have it Apple
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announces a completely rethought Mac Pro
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uh there are some great quotes in here uh I don't actually have that in uh in
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my notes here but man there's like some great quotes it so it didn't work out
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the the expansion didn't work out as well as we thought it would didn't they
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never expand well no you could expand using
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Thunderbolt too Oh I thought you meant like expansion of the yeah okay never
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mind and I was just like really you thought it would work out
34:24
like immediately like nobody had Apple clued into this but like immediately
34:28
remember that picture that someone posted of 36 Thunderbolt devices plugged
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into a Mac Pro was like really you
34:38
thought this was a good idea why how and they're like yeah it
34:44
was hard to upgrade it was hard to keep it honestly I don't think it was that
34:49
hard to keep it current I think what was
34:52
hard was justifying the expense of
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re-engineering the motherboard for newer standards re-engineering the uh gpus for
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newer products and justifying that cost
35:09
based on how few of the things you were selling that's what happened especially
35:13
when you could just make a tower which is what everyone wants anyways Apple's complaining about thermal constraints no
35:17
they mean refreshing that product no I know but like like if you someone posted
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a picture comparing the Old Tower systems to the trash can systems and
35:27
there's the objectively better trash can systems selling for the same amount as
35:31
the old Tower systems oh like on eBay and stuff yeah because people just want
35:35
the old Power Systems anyway but Apple's complaining they couldn't refresh it
35:39
because of thermal constraints and I'm looking at that going gpus have gotten
35:42
way more efficient so there's that so CPUs and CPUs well at that class Zeon
35:47
class okay they're the same yeah cuz you could go up to whatever was the highest
35:51
end like I think it was 8 core back then that was a big deal um yeah there no no
35:56
no no this had every everything to do with not wanting to reinvest back into
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it um but either way basically Phil
36:03
Schiller said Apple wants to architect it so we can keep it fresh with regular
36:07
improvements creating a Mac Pro modular system they're also apparently making a
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high-end dis I think it's called PCI
36:19
Express they're also making a high-end display to go with it I will be happy to
36:23
see a return to Apple displays cuz they've done a great job of that
36:28
um although there's way more competition now that's true like way more and
36:33
honestly this is like apple pulling down their pants and taking a big dump on
36:36
Partners like LG who have worked on exclusive like mac only products like
36:41
the 5K ultra fine which by the way is fixed now I don't know if you were on
36:45
the W show where we heard about putting a router too close to it glitching it
36:48
out yeah yeah they're fixed now I don't if I was I don't know if I was on that W
36:51
show but I heard about yeah our unit is fixed that's that's good um oh yeah
36:55
video to come very soon uh you see anything this year but in the meantime
36:59
they're actually releasing a slightly upgraded Mac Pro so the
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$3,000 quad core with dual firepro d300s
37:07
has morphed into a six core with dual d500s still $3,000 uh both models have
37:13
16 gigs of RAM neither has USB type-c or Thunderbolt 3 16 gigs of RAM so this was
37:18
basically a price drop on like some preexisting some existing
37:23
Tech flow plane right do you want to cover a topic while I get while I get it
37:28
fired up so we can show you guys some of the crazy stuff on Flo plane right now
37:31
it's crazy W should I should I cover the video that's coming out tomorrow um or
37:36
just wait for that video to happen let's wait for that video to happen there's
37:41
going to be a big Floatplane related video um
37:45
tomorrow or not or not tomorrow we're
37:49
getting a look from Ed it's filmed oh okay yeah yeah I don't
37:55
I don't know um it doesn't happen it's cool do you want to do something else
37:59
then while I uh uh yeah so scrapyard
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Wars prison Edition not really an actual thing don't worry about that what are
38:06
you talking um inmates in Ohio were in
38:10
this system where they were disassembling it it was like a a a work
38:14
system within the prison I don't know what they're properly called but the the
38:17
idea was that they would disassemble PCS as like a job and inmates in the Ohio
38:22
prison built computers from the PCS that they were supposed to be dismantling for
38:25
recycling the unsupervised inmates later hid these PCS in the ceiling of a
38:31
training room and it's I don't think it's actually uh in here but they
38:35
networked them together investigators found software
38:39
pornography and articles about making drugs and explosives on the machines
38:44
they were caught when it staff flagged unusual levels of internet activity on a
38:49
contractor's account which
38:53
like that's sort of epic
38:58
they built computers into the ceiling a rogue PC on the network was connected to
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port 16
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wow um
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wow okay so they don't they don't do
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white listing they don't do any that kind of stuff he just he just plugged it
39:23
in one of the inmates who set it up described how he had used components
39:26
from other people PCS he plugged the machine into an internet connection
39:30
device in the prison and Bam I'm on the network he told
39:36
investigators bam indeed that that it
39:39
guys just like oh bam where was this
39:43
that's one thing I'm interested in where was this switch I don't know that he just plugged
39:48
into I don't know man here here's all
39:52
the components for some computers and apparently like cables and stuff we're
39:56
going to supervise you and leave exposed switches brilliant freaking brilliant um
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so I'm ready to talk about what's on float playing this week uh Channel super
40:06
fun go cing Burl with drunk goggles oh
40:10
jeez versus Dennis with not drunk goggles wow I sort of still think Burl
40:16
might win Burl's ridiculously good at go-karts and like specifically that
40:21
track he's done a lot so like the fact that he has drunk goggles still up but
40:26
did you win they're gonna have to wait no no yeah yeah no spoilers but I did
40:30
almost throw up like had the dry he he almost threw up and he was dry heing
40:35
that's worth watching it right there but it's but it's all in the name of your
40:38
craft right yeah it's all in the name of fun all in the name of fun uh we've got
40:43
a Techquickie on laser projectors how
40:46
the math those work we've got the much
40:51
anticipated red weapon unboxing that has already generated um
40:58
167 replies wow which on Floatplane is
41:02
like actually a lot check out that speed
41:05
did you see how fast that started playing I did I oh okay good oh God I
41:10
get so much anxiety every single time
41:13
you do anything with flow plane on the stream it looks good and it's working
41:18
though yeah looks looks crisp AF man see
41:22
see these buffer chunks coming in y that is how it works uh do you have the load
41:26
balance stuff going on right now or no no I don't think so okay cool well
41:32
anyway look at that look at that look at that scrubbing working use a saw isn't
41:35
that beautiful is that a saw well that's
41:38
awesome I don't know man I'm just I'm just I got I got to be me
41:43
man um do it for the memes yeah it's all
41:46
for the memes so you opened up a red weapon with a weapon oh my God that's
41:50
right I get it so red weapon uh the ryzen 5 review was simultaneous release
41:55
because of the Embargo uh um MSI gt83 VR
41:59
Titan laptop uh we've got uh warranty
42:02
sticker removal guide just went up oh yeah oh oh this honest answer is what's
42:07
up with the thumbnails that is a really how many replies are on that one uh lot
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251 yeah this one actually I think is getting pushed another week due to the
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ryzen 5 embargo so that's going to be on floow plane for that'll be on FL that's
42:22
a really good video um and then the last one that I'm super stoked on our
42:28
smallest most compact desk PC yet so
42:32
that's actually really really small we need like a pop can for scale or
42:36
something like banana banana for scale Absol
42:39
B um so yeah Floatplane Floatplane Club is going great in case you guys
42:44
were wondering and there's going to be a huge update on the LTT Channel and I
42:47
guess we'll also upload it to Floatplane soon T um soon TM yeah all right
42:53
hoping tomorrow but it might not happen I don't know the original article
42:57
appears from n Gadget this is terrible Uber Uber's hell program
43:04
tracked and targeted lift drivers
43:08
apparently it ran for two years two
43:12
years they called it hell so they placed
43:16
fake LIF Rider accounts around cities in order to map the distribution of lift
43:21
drivers as each Rider can see up to
43:24
eight nearby drivers monitor monitoring the lift driver habits Uber noticed that
43:29
some drivers were double apping driving for lift and Uber so I actually got
43:34
picked up by an Uber driver that had a lift sticker on the back of his car Uber
43:39
then sent more rides and offered incentives to those drivers to keep them
43:44
too busy to drive for Lift wow uh the
43:48
program was discontinued after Uber paid tens of millions per week in bonuses
43:58
oh my goodness so basically the idea was
44:01
if you signed up for a Lyft account you
44:04
just made more money from Uber that's ridiculous unbelievable and they're kind
44:08
of uh Nintendo this is um the
44:12
original article is from RS Technica and I love their headline Nintendo hates
44:18
money discontinues The Nest classic did we ever get one no so that's it
44:23
ridiculously difficult to buy it's officially limited edition now yeah
44:27
ignoring continued demand Nintendo will stop producing the system this month
44:31
this is probably more to do with Nintendo making far more manufacturing
44:36
switches like they might actually maybe they're off the same line like maybe
44:40
they're converting the line to produce more switches maybe there is a reason um
44:45
but that is kind of a bummer they sold
44:48
1.5 million units from its November 11th
44:51
launch until New Year's so to put that in perspective Wii U sold 14 million in
44:56
its lifetime our representative said that the nest classic wasn't intended to be an ongoing
45:00
long-term product however due to high demand we did add extra shipments to our
45:04
original plans The Nest Classic Controller will also be
45:09
discontinued I feel like it's a wrong move I feel like Nintendo CU like if if
45:15
they can sell like I feel like it doesn't matter because it's Nintendo but
45:19
I feel like if they can sell another 1.5 million units maybe it's worth like
45:23
extending that building a little bit adding another line just DED it to
45:28
Classics you know it's not like Nintendo has a lot of products yeah exactly I
45:34
mean unless you count like amiibos and like trash like that I mean like actual
45:39
Entertainment Systems yeah and the accessories for the entertainment
45:43
systems are often built by Third parties ex are officially licensed by Nintendo
45:47
exactly so
45:50
like um it's Nintendo and they will always succeed it's just it just seems
45:55
like a very silly thing to do all right what else we got
46:00
here American colleges to offer scholarships to play video games so the
46:05
original article here is from Bloomberg hooray and it's making its way
46:10
onto my screen slowly but surely um at least it was trying to it's
46:15
not trying anymore the growth of Esports has colleges and universities developing
46:18
teams to compete as prizes are growing and sponsors are taking notice and I you
46:24
know it's uh far be it from universities
46:28
and colleges to uh to not notice money
46:32
to be made off of students that they don't have to
46:37
pay yeah um coaches say that Esports
46:41
requires the same discipline and decision-making as other activities and
46:44
all those same life skills go into gaming this is a developmental tool some
46:49
of the teams practice 20 hours a week on top of studying game film and team
46:52
building projects and about 20 to 30 matches or tournaments are played
46:56
annually University of Utah is the first school in the power five the five
47:01
richest athletic conferences in college sports to offer scholarships for video
47:05
gaming the team will start off playing League of Legends University of
47:08
California Irving Irvine Irving Irvine
47:11
recently built an orts specific Arena on its campus and the Big 10 conference's
47:16
television network earlier this year began broadcasting competitions between
47:19
Club teams and its member schools interesting W it's really
47:24
happening it is really
47:27
happening phone accelerometers this was originally uh posted by Tech
47:33
crunch oh man researchers demonstrate how pins and other info can be gathered
47:39
through phone movement holy so researchers were able to successfully
47:44
guess your PIN based on movement of the
47:47
phone you know what that's really impressive that's crazy even just the
47:51
thought that like hey you notice how people's hands move in similar ways when
47:55
they go to type but like that's so they analyzed the data from rotation sensors
48:00
gyroscopes and accelerometers and they were able to crack four-digit pins with
48:05
70% accuracy on the first try and 100%
48:10
accuracy by the fifth try I wonder I
48:13
would love to like make a video about this meet these
48:18
guys and then find how they're doing it cuz like if if you try to do it
48:21
one-handed like yeah that's actually probably pretty easy but if you lay it
48:24
down and then use one of those like with the tips on it and lightly press the
48:29
buttons is that enough of an impact you know I mean like find where
48:33
the line they are sensitive yeah they are like if you ever just like fired it
48:37
up so you can see the raw data from the sensors and like moved like they're
48:41
they're very sensitive they're really sensitive it' be that would I would find
48:44
that very interesting unlike your camera and GPS mobile apps and websites don't
48:49
need to ask permission to access information from these sensors so a site
48:54
accessed with malicious code via your mobile browser could activate
48:57
sensor-based monitoring in the background when browser Tabs are left
49:00
open Crazy hey and if you're like me with 50 browser tabs open at any given
49:05
moment then on your mobile device this is a yeah seriously I I just don't close
49:12
them the unfortunate thing about that is that means that will be me
49:16
eventually cuz I held out I do you
49:19
remember do you remember desktop browser tabs when we first started working together I couldn't even handle it it
49:23
maxed out at like five now who I think I have like before I I just reformatted
49:28
but like before that I think I had like eight or nine Windows of Chrome open all
49:33
with lots of tabs it's the only way to be man it's
49:38
the only way to be yeah and you know what the other only way to be is done
49:43
the W show yeah so I think that's pretty much it you guys we'll see you again
49:47
next week same bat Time same bat
49:53
Channel that's really not song a copywritten thing
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no I'm
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dead I forgot I I was mentioning you know how we like bring the coach in yeah
50:09
it would be way to with the outro us
50:12
taking the
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co bring the I'll ask if he want to extra
50:20
animation that was clear