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The WAN Show - GTX 960 Rumours & A New, More Professional Show for 2015?? NAH! - Jan 2, 2015

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0:00 stream is live welcome to the W show my

0:04 friends you know I set out a tweet because a whole bunch of people apparently thought that this W show

0:08 wasn't going to be a thing so I sent out a tweet being like it's actually a thing

0:11 we'll be live in checked the time it was 3:30 and I was like about an hour I

0:16 could have said exactly 1 hour you could have I was like no that would have been

0:21 a crazy thing for you to do yeah yeah

0:25 you're you're a crazy you're a crazy kind of guy we know all about this sorry

0:28 what are we talking about right it's time for the show so let's kick things off with some fun

0:33 uh oh right no we'll kick things off with what we're going to talk about today yes right thank you um so I wanted

0:39 to talk about your haircut I think you look very nice didn't you also get a

0:43 haircut I did I'm fishing for compliments ah I see I think yours is

0:46 wonderful thank you Yes mine cost 0 oh

0:50 that's nice yeah mine didn't my wife did it if I want a $ Z haircut my dad will

0:54 grab the shaver put it on the minimum setting and just go does he have to put

0:58 it on the minimum setting well it's an

1:01 option I mean it doesn't take that much longer have uh dog clippers that's what

1:08 we probably excellent quality Clippers oh they're great yeah and like well

1:12 taken care of and all that kind of stuff yeah yeah and also used for my hair

1:17 sometimes and also used for your hair sometimes I mean I mean dog hair is perfectly safe people are talking about

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1:27 face no if you were bald yeah yes okay

1:30 you could use both their shaving cream and their Shavers if you funny story

1:33 Dollar Shave Club is not one of our sponsors today but this is just an

1:36 anecdote um when I was researching Dollar Shave Club to find out whether we

1:41 should take them on as a sponsor there was actually one review on YouTube in

1:46 particular of a dude who didn't get provided Dollar Shave Club raisers but

1:50 just signed up for it and did a review that had like 70,000 views and he was he

1:54 was bald and so I think people who shave their heads as well with their razors

2:00 are going to be way better people to talk to about the longevity of the blade

2:05 so he's like yeah it lasts longer than quality too though cuz you have such a

2:08 bigger Zone where you can potentially cut yourself and shaving your face is

2:11 actually relatively easy cuz you can see what you're doing yeah the back of your

2:15 head and stuff is not going to be easy he's just like yeah these are good and I'm like okay then I guess they're

2:20 sponsor um so where was I right Sony

2:24 pirated movie oh no they didn't

2:27 pirate Sony pirated the interview no

2:31 hold on back up Sony pirated music in the interview that is to say they used

2:35 it without permission more on that later

2:40 Hollywood says well Hollywood is a place

2:43 but they can't really say anything but in general um content producers from

2:47 Hollywood Google Fiber leads to more

2:52 pirating we'll get into that later what else are we going to get into Google

2:55 steps up and says that if the internet is made a title to service that they

2:59 will jump on board and distribute fiber as much as they can because they will

3:02 have poll access awesome more on that later and kim.com is to release a chat

3:08 client for your web browser which is totally encrypted and he's taking shots

3:12 at basically everybody but mainly Skype from Microsoft saying that they are just

3:15 terrible ways to communicate with people speaking of terrible ways to communicate

3:19 with people the

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4:55 guys um so apparently people are asking

4:59 if the Stream is going yes the stream is

5:02 going Friday Friday

5:06 Friday okay uh we should just released a shirt

5:10 that just says Friday Friday Friday on it we should totally do a Friday Friday

5:14 shirt it should be like spelled wrong f

5:18 r y Friday Friday Friday 4:36

5:22 p.m. in 22 seconds sometimes I'm like

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5:29 number all right so this was posted by

5:33 Victorious secret on the Forum I'm going to go ahead and copy the link here fire

5:39 this over to you guys um original article here is from torrent freak it's

5:44 okay I I got this i got this all right so actually yes no let's switch over to

5:50 you doing that so here you go guys Sony

5:53 about to get sued for pirating music in

5:57 the interview the famous movie or inFAMOUS movie whatever this movie is

6:03 that I still haven't seen probably won't see but I haven't seen it either I

6:07 commend Sony for releasing it y except

6:10 that they should have probably sorted out their licensing deal with uh what's

6:15 her name Yuni Ray also known as Natasha

6:18 Shanta Reed a us-born hipop and R&B

6:21 singer whose song they used uh it's called payday without her permission

6:27 they were negotiating to use the song and then the negotiations fell apart and

6:33 then then they just used it they it was

6:37 assumed that Sony had moved on and picked a different song that was not the

6:41 case they just decided to use the same one should we jump right into Hollywood

6:46 talking about piracy because that just makes sense yeah yeah so but so her

6:51 agency Feelgood music I can't like

6:55 really best name feel good music it's not even spelled right it's like Media

6:59 Group g h o o d feel good good feel good

7:05 well maybe the person that started this company maybe their last name was

7:12 good it's like name of your company lest Media Group it's not quite the same you

7:16 just put your name in it okay it's like um it's but your first name cuz you're

7:20 just that kind of a person enough your C at least I don't

7:26 have to carry around business cards that have someone else's name

7:30 the most awkward part is when someone will be like what's your boss's email

7:33 I'm like um lus at BL like okay that's

7:38 that's oh no so Natasha's agency has

7:42 said that they will be taking legal action against Sony picturers the

7:46 damages that they're seeking I don't have them in my notes here but I found

7:49 some rumored damages that they're seeking and they're just like just pants

7:53 on head ridiculous like nothing to do with reality well I'm wondering if part

7:58 of the damage part is that they didn't want to be associated with the movie ooh

8:02 then they could be big yes I think that's going to be a huge part of this

8:05 whole negotiation is that they they could claim that they didn't want to be

8:09 a part of the movie because of all the verifications that tied to it and even

8:13 though these negotiations were probably going on before all of that yeah

8:16 definitely still be able to claim all of it at the same time what a disaster

8:21 because it would be super easy for them to be like well we saw this coming

8:25 didn't want to be a part of it so more news from from torrent freak i' I've got

8:30 it I've got the post oh you were already ready with it weren't you uh yeah well

8:34 whatever it's there um so more news from torrent

8:38 freak Hollywood Google Fiber increases

8:43 piracy or pirating or whatever it's

8:47 posted by aing on the Forum leads to more piracy let's go ahead and fire this

8:52 up movie studios fear a Google Fiber

8:55 piracy search now so here do you want to go through the the point on this and

9:00 we'll disc they ped about 2,000 people ages between 13 and 54 about their

9:05 piracy habits and media and whatnot uh

9:09 more than half were interested in Google Fiber including a large group of the

9:13 Pirates within that group y so apparently 2,000 people is a good enough

9:17 number of people poll um I'm not even

9:21 okay we can attack them about lots of stuff here let's not attack them about

9:24 their sample size I mean 2,000 people is

9:27 it's a sample size it's not huge it's not huge and the problem is with

9:31 that number it it gets to like it's only

9:35 Kansas City mhm right but it's Kansas

9:38 City because they wanted to pull people

9:41 prior to the Google Google Fiber roll out then pull them again after Google

9:45 Fiber had been rolled out so I I get it I get it yeah no that makes sense okay

9:50 like let's attack them for other things so do you want to run through the rest of it first uh I don't think there's a

9:54 ton else to be completely honest okay so the research tries to

9:58 estimate how much money they're going to lose due to Google Fiber and whatnot but

10:03 I think the general idea is more just having faster internet will cause more

10:08 piracy that's what they're trying to prove and um yeah so the study finds a

10:12 link between between piracy and Broadband speeds I think sorry I I think

10:19 is probably Common Sense yeah it's probably completely valid I mean the

10:24 thing is that okay here's what this comes down to we've been through this on

10:29 show before we agree that we agree that not paying for things is bad but the

10:35 problem the issue is that accessing things by paying them is often less

10:41 convenient than pirating them and I think the whole the whole BS that's been

10:45 going on between Netflix and the US isps

10:49 for example is a great is a great example of this where your Netflix

10:54 stream is going to be either not working

10:57 correctly with buffering all the time or even just degraded enough that you get

11:02 blockiness and choppiness in your video playback so it's not an excellent

11:06 experience so you kind of go okay well crap I guess I'll just download it and

11:12 watch it at my leisure then even though this is something that I should be able

11:15 to stream to myself so the issue here is

11:19 that the isps often with very tight ties

11:22 to broadcast companies like NBC for

11:25 example is owned by crap I'm going to completely Fall Apart here it's Comcast

11:30 right I'm not sure yeah Comcast owns NBC and so there's there's a lot of

11:33 relationships like that so there is so

11:37 this basically is how we discover why

11:40 the isps are not upgrading their networks because they don't want your

11:45 internet connection to be good it's not even a matter of like the Fiers is

11:49 expensive they straight up don't want your internet connection to be good

11:53 because then you'll pirate and or even

11:56 watch competing services like Netflix instead of watching on your television

12:01 where they can throw ads at you every you know 8 minutes in between your

12:05 programming distribution is the problem and when when it when it comes down to

12:09 the question of I I've even had friends who have been in situations where

12:13 they'll properly buy something but then it's broken or some some process is

12:19 messed up or because of some DRM or some

12:22 other reason they can't even access their freaking game or it makes it

12:25 incredibly hard to play and it has become easier for them to just download

12:29 the pirated version and run that one even if they've actually paid for it

12:34 it's easier to just run the pirated copy and especially when you get stuff like

12:38 Google Fiber which will make that downloading process extremely easy um it

12:42 makes that more likely distribution is and basically has always been the

12:47 problem so there you go so Hollywood's afraid that Google Fiber leads to more

12:51 piracy but the way that I see it is holding back the infrastructure is not

12:55 the solution to this the solution to this is to make the content accessible

12:58 in the way that people actually want to access it and why can't I like properly

13:03 get HBO without a cable connection in

13:07 Canada yeah HBO is slowly coming around

13:10 on that HBO GO or whatever but it's not in Canada yeah I remember reading about

13:14 this they're they're finally turning it around but it's starting us only and the

13:19 thing is is like Game of Thrones

13:22 guys so pirate very very illegal much

13:26 distribute torrent like it's I I don't

13:29 remember the guy's name right now um John Oliver I think I really like his

13:33 show I watch the YouTube highlights all the time I don't have any way to

13:38 actually watch it properly I haven't pirated or anything but I've just been

13:42 living off the YouTube thing and I would I would love to sign up for HBO GO just

13:45 be able to watch John Oliver's Show right but I can't because it's not in

13:49 well can't because it's not in Canada so yeah I guess basically yes

13:55 Hollywood um Google Fiber will lead to more piracy I mean there's no doubt that

14:00 pirates are going to be some of the main guys and gals who are interested in

14:06 massive fatpipe internet connections duh

14:10 also another thing is people that are interested in big new kind of bleeding

14:15 edge powerful services are going to want to do a lot with those things y um and

14:20 like selling someone you know a DVD that

14:24 has an online license to watch on two

14:27 devices or or whatever like remember that whole Goofy thing where they were

14:31 doing digital copies and DVDs maybe they still do I haven't bought a DVD I don't

14:36 know I own one Blu-ray I don't own any

14:41 and actually I think I only own like two

14:44 two DVD two video DVDs one is the first season of an awesome show called made in

14:49 Canada yeah and the second is actually here at the office I I own a DVD copy of

14:53 The Princess Bride special edition I have uh oceans I have the ocean series

14:58 those are kind of good and I think that's it my my only I don't know where

15:02 they are I was just thinking I I was thinking how do I not own any Star Wars

15:05 DVDs and it's because my only copies of Star Wars or VHS VHS yeah I have the VHS

15:10 of the original 3 all right more Google

15:13 and more Google Fiber discussion so this is an article from end gadget.com I'm

15:18 just going to fire it up here so Google tells the FCC

15:23 look if those other guys are going to

15:26 drag ass and not b to roll out their

15:30 fiber upgrades you know if you declare

15:33 internet to be a title to utility then fine we'll expand it we'll do it because

15:38 the problem is right now anywhere where Google wants to roll out fiber they have

15:42 to dig their own trenches in order to get it to the buildings where they need

15:47 to get it to if they had access to the underground conduits and to the

15:52 telephone polls then they would be able to roll it out for what was the article

15:56 figuring something I think a tenth of the cost digging trenches crazy

16:00 expensive so Google has already managed to make it somewhat economical at 10

16:05 times the cost of what they think it would cost them if it turns into a title

16:08 2 utility if it gets reclassified and they can just roll out fiber wherever

16:13 holy crap that would be awesome and

16:17 honestly if I'm if I'm AT&T right now do I just do I just kind of go okay crap I

16:24 guess we better just get on this okay I guess the you know 60 $70 a month that

16:29 we're getting from our subscribers is pretty good maybe we should maybe we

16:33 should try to retain those customers while we still have a freaking chance so

16:38 I don't know if it's the overall cost it says the the access to PS uh ducks and

16:42 conduits at a tenth of the cost is limited by federal law so it's probably

16:47 not the overall cost it's probably those aspects individually but that's hu still

16:50 a huge savings massive massive savings and if they're if they're able to go

16:55 through these pre-done setup things it's

16:58 it's going to not only be cheaper but way faster too the the amount that they

17:04 are going to be able to spread out is going to be insane and that's awesome and this isn't just Google this is just

17:09 the Extremely Loud voice of Google there's also smaller other companies

17:13 that would now be able to have access to these polls and be able to set up like

17:17 those those like small fiber companies that you hear about just in like

17:20 downtown areas of some cities like downtown Vancouver there's one called

17:24 novice that I would love to have access to Dirt Cheap Wicked f fiber but I

17:30 happen to live in the wrong neighborhood yeah and like they'll only go to like

17:33 some Office Buildings essentially and that's like it because moving it around

17:37 is so expensive but if you make it much cheaper for them they're going to be

17:40 able to spread out those little awesome companies like Novis I don't know pretty

17:45 awesome actually very cool yeah so uh

17:49 this is actually kind of a fun article so Verizon famously said that if the FCC

17:53 heeds President Obama's urging and declares the internet a title to utility

17:58 it would cause great harm to an open internet competition and Innovation but

18:04 that not is the stupidest thing I have

18:07 ever heard like so stupid so stupid I

18:10 mean the the the economics of providing

18:14 internet service to customers and getting monthly subscription fees is

18:19 already proven this is already established and it's not like rolling

18:23 out the previous infrastructure that they did wasn't expensive at the time

18:28 and didn't make sense based on the subscription costs that were present at

18:33 the time like this is this is an established business that works so well

18:37 that these companies can you know develop new new content programming and

18:42 they can you know name stadiums and and

18:46 co-build them and so obviously it's it's perfectly functional um and so yeah if

18:52 if they're not willing to do it then

18:56 great great I would I would love love to start lonus Media Group ISP that would

19:01 be awesome I I'd love for just a whole bunch of startups to pop up that'd be

19:04 great um former FCC chair read Hut hunt

19:08 hunt hunt I hope I'm saying that right hu n DT told uh the Washington Street

19:13 Journal that if title 2 gives Google poll access then it might really rock

19:18 the world with Broadband dang I want my world to get

19:22 rocked I wish this was happening in Canada I really do as well speaking of

19:26 which Ting come to freaking Canada yeah really that's another that's an example

19:31 of the kinds of small time isps that would actually be able to reach a much

19:36 much wider customer base yeah for sure all right so is is that it for the

19:41 Google show for today I think that's all we need to talk about with Google we

19:45 might take a little short break here I just want to bring up that the new

19:48 office campaign has ended right it's over I thank you very much for your

19:53 contributions didn't update the total yet oh I just realized so we can't even

19:59 I I just fired it up so I could so I could show people that I think we might

20:05 uh here did did we hit the um LT land

20:10 hoodie goal give me a second are you checking pay

20:13 seriously what what wow apparently why

20:17 do they own that apparently PayPal owns pay.com that's so

20:23 awesome cuz that's not even a title that's just like the L and the Y are

20:28 like here and like here that's just

20:32 completely not knowing what pay's called that's so awesome uhoh you're terrible

20:38 it works though that's so cool you're basically a bad guy okay so we need to

20:43 add a number to this which is going to make this more complicated we have to we

20:47 have to do what now we have to add a number what uh

20:52 2400 uh don't worry we we figured it out

20:55 after a while well whatever I just want to take a moment to thank everyone who

21:00 was involved in the new office campaign um you know we had a lot of people

21:04 criticize us over reaching out to the community to help us fund the new office

21:09 um and to those people all I really have to say is then don't contribute um we

21:13 had a lot of people who really did want to help us get a larger more comfortable

21:18 working space so we could continue to refine our craft and make great content

21:22 for you guys and to those ones I say thank you to the people who are upset

21:25 about it um sorry

21:29 the ultimate Canadian response to everything okay so the final number we

21:33 raised $ 38,1 1258 cents I really don't know how we

21:37 ended up with 18 cents oh right cuz contributions are in us and the total

21:41 number here is in Canadian and PayPal fees and PayPal fees right a couple

21:45 couple things so um so yeah thank you so much that is going to contribute an

21:49 enormous chunk of the renovations that we're looking to do at our new place

21:53 things like building up new sets um putting in the office spaces we need

21:58 storage racks for Loop to put video cards and stuff in security sort of

22:03 doors over all that valuable stuff all

22:06 that good stuff fantastic so thank you guys so much for for helping us with

22:11 that yes and another thing that I want to call out is that U or the lp starson

22:17 organization is going to be having our battle Extravaganza thing starting on

22:22 the 16th of January so there's a forum topic dedicated to that UL 2015 stars as

22:27 in battle start uh 16th of January there's going to be a

22:30 meeting of how we want to rank people and there's going to be like winners and

22:33 we're going to do some swarm battles and stuff so can I have the rank of Supreme

22:38 Overlord show up and then maybe so we'll

22:41 see I'm I'm going to be fighting and I'm going to be joining in so hopefully

22:45 everyone kind of rejoins I know the the the start has been kind of slow it's

22:49 because there's nothing for us to do so yeah I got to fix my joti I got to buy a

22:54 joystick I want to get like a pretty nice thing and I'm thinking I might just

23:00 I okay I probably yeah probably okay I

23:03 might just I might just steal some things from the office cuz I kind of

23:06 want a separate like battle station for you need I want Aur I want a curved

23:11 monitor cuz I'm not using a curved monitor on my gaming rig right now and

23:15 it's not like it's not like Star Citizen is going to run at 144 FPS anyway so

23:19 curve Monitor and then like a sweet like

23:22 Joy stack joy joy stack joyti

23:26 Joy I know what they're called No I'm just laughing cuz like there's the

23:31 there's the connotations of joystick but then Joy stack is just even better what

23:35 would a joy stack be an Oreo

23:43 perhaps all right moving on sorry can't do this now our source for this next

23:47 article isn't necessarily the most um

23:51 reputable but fudzilla decom says Intel

23:56 could save apples B and actually the implications of this

24:01 news that hasn't really been hasn't really been verified too hard yet but if

24:06 it's true is a huge deal the implications of this are enormous not

24:11 just for Intel and apple but potentially for the entire industry did you post

24:15 this already I did okay so basically fudzilla decom also someone just

24:19 purchased joy.com oh or said they did I don't know

24:24 that's awful sorry okay so basically um the

24:29 rumor is that Samsung and tsmc are both

24:34 failing to produce 16 nanometer finfet

24:37 chips for Apple it's not that they don't

24:40 have the the Fabs kind of up and running

24:44 the problem right now is that they're not getting strong enough yields on

24:47 their 16 nanometer products in order to meet the demand or to make the cost make

24:53 sense because that's the way this whole thing works there's no such thing as a

24:57 wafer with 100% of the chips on it being

25:00 usable that's not how it works you produce the wafer you get all the chips

25:04 you cut them up you test them and then the ones that work work the ones that

25:09 don't work don't work and the ones that kind of work well those are going to be

25:12 your your Pentium dual cores and your core I 3s whereas the fully functional

25:17 chips are going to be your core i 5S and core i7s um so that's that's the way all

25:21 this works there's lots of different ways for a chip to not work sometimes it

25:25 could be fully functional but maybe it's operating well outside the power

25:29 requirements of the product that you're trying to build with it so this this

25:34 could be pretty disas okay so basically Apple the word on the street is that

25:39 they're looking to move to 16 nanometer with their new processor so they wanted

25:43 to be on a Cutting Edge manufacturing process in order to be competitive in

25:48 terms of power consumption performance

25:51 and well really power consumption and performance are going to be are going to

25:55 be the big ones um with the best that anyone in the world can produce So Right

25:59 Now Intel is ahead of everyone else I believe they're on 14 nanometer at the

26:04 moment yeah so Intel's on 14 nmet right now and they've already begun

26:08 construction on their 10 nanometer Fab

26:11 that should be going online crap I want to say sometime in

26:16 2017 oh yeah is is that correct it's

26:19 it's I know it was like about two years from now so 2017 sounds about right but

26:24 like I wouldn't be surprised if it was late 2017 okay no Intel said Intel to

26:28 ship chips in 2015 and they figure 7 nanometer chips in 2017 so there that

26:34 just blew my mind so much when we first covered it that I forgot well because 14

26:38 nanometer uh 14 nanometer was delayed it

26:41 was only delayed I think six or8 months or something like that on Intel side but

26:45 it was delayed and then I think the plan on Intel's side was not to slow down

26:50 development of 10 nanm so 14 nanm would just have a slower life cycle Now Intel

26:55 had trouble with 14 NM so it shouldn't be surprising us too much and the and

27:00 Intel had a big Advantage there too because they were already doing finfet

27:05 on the previous manufacturing node so

27:08 Samsung and tsmc to my knowledge are

27:12 tried to go finfet and 16 NM at the same

27:16 time so it is no surprise that they're having problems with them and basically

27:21 the word on the street like I said is that the Apple simply will not be able

27:25 to get chips from them for their upcoming produ so apple is allegedly in

27:30 talks with Intel to have Intel start producing chips for Apple this is huge

27:35 because someone like a qualcom so you know how like every smartphone has a

27:41 qualcom proc processor in it right now every high performance smartphone

27:45 Qualcomm does not own manufacturing no

27:49 so they rely on guys like Global foundaries Samsung and tsmc to actually

27:56 manufacture chips for them now qualcomm's design might be very power

28:00 efficient and very high performance and very optimized for mobile applications

28:05 whereas Intel has all that Legacy

28:08 x86 stuff to bring with them that really

28:11 hurts the efficiency of their chips in very very low energy devices like

28:16 tablets and phones that's improved a lot in the last couple of generations with

28:20 optimizations on Intel sides and will continue to improve as Intel forges

28:25 ahead with smaller and smaller manufactur processes but now imagine

28:28 this cuz Intel for a long time enjoyed

28:33 being a full process node ahead of the entire rest of the industry and it

28:36 looked like at 14/16 nanometer they were

28:40 going to catch up and all of a sudden Intel wasn't going to be able to be

28:44 slightly less efficient with x86 and

28:48 just be at a lower process node so they could compete with everyone else who

28:51 stuck on a last gen manufacturing process well now it looks like Intel

28:55 could jump as far as two two nodes ahead

28:59 of everyone which means which I mean that could be the solution I mean that's

29:05 that's it's funny because they keep they keep doing this it's just like we will

29:09 Brute Force having the best Manufacturing in the world and then if

29:13 the design isn't quite as efficient then bollocks to that who cares so we'll be

29:18 able to save cost with much smaller dieses or we'll be able to save design

29:23 and we'll be able to have something that's not quite as efficient as long as we have the best Manufacturing in the

29:27 world if they end up two nodes ahead your phone in 2016 or 2017 could have an

29:33 Intel processor in it because there's just no one else who's even in the game

29:38 it's it's interesting how how companies like Qualcomm now okay I'm going to say

29:42 this and please take it with a grain of salt may not have been that big and then

29:47 just exploded and then Intel's like no

29:51 mine go away and I mean you got to

29:55 imagine that someone like Intel isn't going to be giving their most

29:58 competitive contract manufacturing rates to someone like Qualcomm if they see an

30:02 opportunity for themselves to jump in and dominate the mobile market I mean

30:07 someone like apple I think Intel is going to be it's going to be

30:10 advantageous for Intel to work with them but if they lock up a contract like

30:15 apple well that's a huge chunk of the

30:18 business that existed for other companies until an apple have displayed that they're both willing to do that

30:22 before yeah oh yeah I mean it's not like apple doesn't use Intel chips as big

30:26 grudge ly as that seems to be happening in their notebooks and their desktop and

30:30 their desktop computers but and partnering with them on other Technologies and stuff yeah things like

30:35 Thunderbolt it's not like they haven't worked together this is uh if true yeah

30:39 I was just going to say that I was just sitting up to bring that up if true I

30:45 mean you look at how quickly qualcom took over yeah it happened that's what I

30:50 mean though like pretty much overnight necessarily mean small but comparative

30:53 to what they're at now this is a very very fast moving New Market segment

30:58 Intel could take over that quickly again because as a smartphone maker so your

31:04 HTC's and your motorolas and Samsungs

31:07 you do not risk having them having the

31:11 device that is less powerful and less

31:15 power efficient for crappier battery life you do not risk that if you can buy

31:20 this processor that allows you to skimp on battery here and you know skimp on

31:26 you know what or or have like a a brighter display in order to make the

31:30 best use possible of the power that you have available you are going to get

31:34 whatever chip is the best and you're going to validate it like crazy because

31:39 you cannot afford to develop a smartphone and have it have a crappy

31:42 processor in it that nobody wants that's bad so wow and even like general public

31:49 is starting to get quite um really Savvy

31:53 yeah especially about phones like like I'll over hear people talking and like

31:57 maybe it's not the most accurate stuff ever they'll be like oh yeah it comes

32:00 with the Qualcomm y I'm like okay well or it has a Snapdragon quad core yeah

32:05 yeah they're they're starting they're starting it's it's and if Intel if Intel

32:10 goes Intel inside and like and manages

32:14 to F and I mean okay so here imagine imagine this imagine around the same

32:18 time Microsoft gets Windows Phone cleaned

32:22 up that would be so interesting I would

32:25 love for Windows phone to not suck would love for Windows phone to not suck to I

32:28 took so I took so much Flack from Windows phone die hards for my HTC1 M8

32:34 Windows Edition review where I basically said it was a phone for no one was what

32:39 I said and I think people some of them were did understand me and were upset

32:44 anyway but I think a lot of people didn't really understand me because I

32:47 didn't mean that Windows phone is for no one and I didn't mean that the 1 M8 is

32:51 for no one I meant that the combination is for no one because Windows phone has

32:56 a place a basic user like my mom there is no reason why she couldn't enjoy a

33:01 Windows phone as much as any other phone my uncle has had one and really liked it

33:07 and the 1 M8 is a great phone but the problem is that the 1 M8 is a flagship

33:12 class 600 plus doll device and if I'm buying $600 smartphones then I also

33:17 expect to be using some web services have some other you know connected um

33:23 smart devices I would expect to want to be able to um actually I guess that's

33:30 yeah that's pretty much it I would want to have more super user kind of stuff

33:33 yeah so companion apps for the other stuff that's part of my complete digital

33:38 lifestyle ecosystem if I'm buying complete like high-end smartphones then

33:43 I expect that I want to use the capabilities of it other than that it's

33:46 just this super high performance device that has very limited functionality

33:50 compared to an iPhone or an Android device that's that's all I really meant

33:53 by that yep and I totally stand by it because well I don't care about apps

33:58 well then why do you need a high-end phone if you're not if you're running

34:02 your address book then who cares yeah there's way

34:07 better options on the Windows phone and on the Android side of things and like I

34:12 I know it's not really ready yet but I like the Cortana idea more than most of

34:16 the I'm I'm really into voice activation stuff I like the Cortana idea much more

34:20 than the other things now Google Now isn't exactly that amazing either but I

34:25 I think it might work better right now

34:28 all right so apple offers a twoe window for iTunes refunds in Europe that's cool

34:33 so this was posted by giving TNT on the Forum I'm just going to go ahead and

34:37 pull up the article from kit guru.net now if it's say like a movie or a book

34:42 or something like that and you open it they reserve the right to

34:46 not uh honor your return which I

34:49 honestly think is fine because uh you

34:52 don't want that that situation where like someone goes to the store to return

34:55 their jug of milk with five drops left in the jug of milk being like actually I

34:59 didn't like it at Costco you could probably return that jug of milk

35:02 probably um but like if someone watches an entire movie and then tries to get a

35:06 full refund nah um I'm hoping they have

35:10 some sort of like amount of time it was open tracking or that would be great cuz

35:14 it's the same thing at a theater I think if you sit through the first x amount they're not going to give you a refund

35:18 for the ticket but if pry quickly yeah and like that's that's cool actually I

35:23 like that I think it's nice that they have

35:26 the refund thing especially for people that might be

35:29 sharing uh sharing a phone with their kid might not be the right terminology

35:34 but like letting their kid use say like a tablet or something and they

35:37 accidentally go to the store and they're just like bye bye bye bye bye bye bye

35:40 bye bye hopefully you can return all that junk yeah I mean right now I'm

35:46 particularly I I'm I'm kind of waiting for valve to get their crap together and

35:51 you know be the be the well not even the one because EA is already doing it on

35:55 Origin but raise the bar for digital

35:59 refunds because there is no reason a digital product shouldn't be refundable

36:03 in the same way that a physical one more so than a physical one much more so than

36:07 a physical one yeah and like even just have like and make it so you can have

36:12 the overlay on or off and make the default off so it doesn't bother anyone

36:15 who cares but like have a timer like amount of time you're allowed to be in

36:20 playing a game and like maybe you get like 15

36:24 minutes or something and you get to play the game for 15 minutes and then if you

36:29 pass the 15-minute threshold no longer a return and there could be this like

36:33 little kind of like the fraps FPS counter just sitting in the top right

36:36 hand corner as a timer or I don't know

36:39 or not but I like that idea I think that' be cool um you're taking an

36:45 extremely long time to create this pole I have a I have a straw pole that

36:50 actually s it it's kind of related it's kind of related to the conversation

36:54 we're having about if you if you like if you've half watched a movie then should

37:00 you have the right to refund it now it got me thinking about food if there's if

37:04 there's a hair in your food okay you've got a few options most places that I'm

37:09 aware of will offer you a replacement a

37:12 replacement of the same item Grace that's kind of the industry standard if

37:16 they're sort of if they're A Cut Above then they'll bring you the replacement

37:21 and they'll wipe the item off of your bill or or like sometimes they'll bring

37:24 you the replacement and they give you free dessert something yep or something like that um and then the like yeah

37:30 that's so so there that those are pretty much the the two options so there's a

37:34 hair in your new plate of food not Tech related do you take out the hair and eat

37:40 who cares do you draw the server's attention to it immediately for a free

37:44 one or do you put it aside eat like 3/4

37:48 or half of the food put the hair back in draw their attention to it and get a

37:51 full new plate and get twice the meal if you what if you have eaten 3 to half the

37:57 food and then you find the hair well then that's immediate that's immediate

38:01 would you intentionally keep eating to get more food and then draw the server's

38:07 attention to the hair so so go go ahead I'll let I'll let you go first I think I

38:12 would eat around it mhm until they kind

38:16 of showed up and then I'd wave them down so even if no matter how much time that

38:20 was let's say something like it's pasta

38:23 okay so like it got mixed around in there and probably the hair touched

38:27 other things but let's say it doesn't look like a pube so it looks like a head hair I'd

38:33 probably just wait unless I'm like crazy hungry I've waited before and I've

38:37 returned food that had hair in it before okay I I tend to I tend to go for the

38:42 immediate one yeah um unless I'm really

38:45 hungry and then I'll just take it out and eat it I've also been there before

38:49 hair is I think all I think it all depends on like a whole bunch of

38:52 different like and and I I admit that knowing that that's disgusting like hair

38:57 is the dirtiest thing on your body other than like your butthole like hair is

39:01 super gross and and if you have hair in your butthole then that's even worse

39:06 okay so butthole hair is like the worst thing ever um so you if there's hair in

39:11 your food you probably shouldn't eat it but well don't like I don't just mean

39:16 not eat the hair definitely don't eat the hair but you probably shouldn't eat

39:20 the food especially if it's something that was mixed like he said with so

39:24 apparently the vast majority of you drop the serers attention to it or just take

39:28 the hair out and eat with only 6% of you saying that you would eat half of it

39:32 first so that you could just have more food I guess you guys don't have the

39:35 kind if it's something that's especially if it's like a multi-art meal so like if

39:40 there's some meat and then vegetable and something else um I will wait until they

39:45 come around at least within range to flag them down like if they're back in

39:49 the kitchen I'm not going to go up to the kitchen right but I'll wait till

39:52 they come out and then I'll flag them down but I might have a few bites of

39:55 whatever until they get there just cuz I'm like okay well I don't really want

39:58 to wait longer to be able to eat but I'm also not going to sit here and try and

40:02 scam you out of a whole bunch of food apparently people are thanking me for the cleanliness lesson you probably

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46:46 don't think we got through all of our Google topics no all right well let's do

46:50 something else for now anyway um oh this is good uh Microsoft

46:56 working on a new browser not IE so uh

47:00 this was posted on the Forum by Alex Goes High I don't know what goes High

47:05 means I understand gets high I've honestly never really got that one so if

47:10 you if you hold on a second so if you get I was wondering if it was like a

47:13 compression of a word maybe he's fairly young and it's Alex Goes To High School

47:18 probably not nope yeah not probably not all right so basically Internet Explorer

47:23 12 UI overhaul is a blend of Chrome Firefox adds extension support which is

47:28 pretty darn freaking cool and Microsoft is allegedly discussing sort of past

47:35 past Internet Explorer 12 coming out with a browser that does not feature the

47:39 Internet Explorer branding now which might have one of the coolest code names

47:43 ever which has been a trend for Microsoft lately but it might be called code name

47:47 Spartan which is pretty sick I don't know I like that kind of stuff I like it

47:52 when they bring back like the old Halo stuff like how their their voice AI

47:55 Cortana their new browser might be called SP let's latch on to the one

47:59 hugely successful thing we did with the young demographic in the last 10

48:05 years um Nintendo releases a browser link

48:10 I they released a security system and it's just called like the master sword

48:14 as long as it's not like Navi then I'm

48:18 can can you imagine if their voice interaction system was Navi hey shut up

48:23 sh please shut open Google Docs

48:29 no um oh that was probably the most annoying thing I've ever done on the

48:32 show so so probably uh

48:36 um so probably they're not going to completely overhaul the underlying

48:41 design of the browser but it looks to me like it's probably just a timely Rebrand

48:47 honestly Internet Explorer isn't that bad lately it's just not I mean it's the

48:52 kind of thing where it might not have a lot of the special exciting stuff stuff

48:55 like really great extensions that Chrome does or Firefox does but as a Workhorse

49:01 if you want to go to a page particularly like an educational page or something

49:06 like that Internet Explorer is the one that kind of just works for me

49:09 educational pages are uh like login portals yeah login portals are a big big

49:14 thing what even was that I don't know that was a weird face ni just walked by

49:19 really oddly I don't even know what you just

49:24 start calling that the nickf face it's kind of like a combination of duck face

49:27 and like popped out eyes it's

49:33 like what a weird guy why do we employ

49:36 him Nick is super weird good night Ed I'm not leaving yet

49:41 okay that's good all right Google okay more Google

49:47 more Google topics all right this is posted by Victoria Secret I'm going to

49:50 go ahead and pull up the uh CNN page here so Google opposes the Marriott's

49:56 plan to block Wi-Fi hotspots you know what's funny about this is didn't the

50:00 Marriott apologize for that

50:04 BS what BS um the yeah the bit where

50:07 they were blocking people's Wi-Fi hotspots without them knowing I don't

50:11 know I didn't hear about this yeah we talked about it on the show was this

50:14 like a really long time ago a ago I vaguely remember this Marriott

50:19 apologizes after being fined by the FCC

50:22 for blocking customer Wi-Fi yeah they apologized for this BS yeah I remember

50:27 this so no this art this is a post on far.com so I don't think that's the most

50:32 um how this read write.com shoot I wish

50:36 I could how when was this October what that seems way too recent or when was

50:40 that Fark one yeah October wow yeah well this is them apologizing after being

50:44 fined so this whole thing went down before that and and so they they

50:49 apologized and so now they're basically going yeah we're sorry that it was

50:54 against the rules so can we change the rules so that we

50:58 can do this unfreaking believable so basically

51:03 their argument their argument is just

51:08 infuriating if a customer arrives at a hotel with her own myi device myi really

51:15 you're just inventing things now and the hotel interferes with the customer

51:19 connection to that personal Hot Spot the hotel oh wait hold on no no no no no

51:23 sorry this isn't their quote crap where's their thing um I don't think

51:29 it's in these wait no no sorry here it is yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah Marriot and the hotel lobby argued that guests can

51:34 use their smarton I to jump in again sorry one second I love how it's called

51:38 the hotel lobby I know um argued that

51:42 guests can use their smartphones or myfi devices to launch an attack against a

51:47 hotel's Wi-Fi network or threaten other

51:50 guests privacy what are you talking about

51:56 uh if you open a uh open

51:59 network if you post that's not threaten someone else's okay okay if if you if

52:06 you created an open network that you were and you were kind of spoofing

52:10 something that looked official you could create a login portal that looks kind of

52:15 like it or whatever else okay yes but I

52:20 don't see any reason why the hotel couldn't monitor for something that

52:24 appeared to be spoofing versus something that is obviously not you're just going

52:29 to run into complications there with them claiming that it seemed like they

52:33 was spoofing or some crap like that because there's there's also problems

52:37 where even if they're not spoofing like the hotel marot's Wi-Fi it's a one just

52:41 opens a unsecured Network and it's like free

52:45 internet people are going to want to connect to it so okay so I I get that

52:50 argument I'm not I don't agree with them at all I want the answer is really easy

52:55 my Wi-Fi should be included in what I just paid you for my room for the night

53:00 get over yourselves thank you that too

53:03 so basically there should just be a thing in the room saying like connect to this exact SSID yep ignore other ones I

53:09 mean I don't understand you know what now that I think about it the then

53:12 people can still screw with you even when uh Wi-Fi is included with my hotel

53:16 room it's almost like they go out of their way to not bother to no to not

53:20 bother to tell me how to connect to it because some hotels make do a pretty

53:25 good job of this where you just log in with your last name and your room number to get into the portal and that's

53:30 something that someone who's spoofing their connection wouldn't be able to do

53:34 anyway they wouldn't know your last name and your room number although they could

53:38 just make it auto let you in okay that's true um so so anyway but they they have

53:42 an easy way to do it whereas other ones you have to go behind the you have to go

53:46 to the desk you have to get them to give you a card and it has like a onetime

53:49 used password and like that kind of thing is just inconvenient it's like

53:52 they don't even want you to use it in it's inferious

53:55 anyway so basically if the the flip side of this argument is if a customer

54:00 arrives at a hotel with their own personal hotspot device then effectively

54:05 what the hotel is doing is forcing them to not use that even though they already

54:08 paid their carrier for the right to use their device as a personal hotspot um

54:14 they're forcing them to pay twice for the same capability to pay the hotel to

54:18 use their Wi-Fi so yeah this is kind of ridiculous this is this is ridiculous

54:23 and stupid and I mean I'm sorry that

54:26 people might get spoofed that seems like a very uncommon thing and it seems like

54:31 also the kind of thing that someone would have to be physically on your

54:34 premises doing and wouldn't be that hard to track down who was doing it with

54:38 video surveillance in the lobby and make sure that you're prose Prosecuting that

54:42 person correctly like yeah that that

54:46 seems like there's Solutions other than locking down your customers from being

54:50 able to bring their own Wi-Fi hotpots yeah and that just needs to be a personal security thing like people need

54:55 to be aware that these are things and try to protect themselves this isn't the

55:00 hotel's job to protect people and that's obviously not what they're doing anyways

55:04 they're just trying to get people to buy their freaking Wi-Fi like come on

55:08 cynicism hats on okay we can take our cynicism hats off GTX 960 is rumored to

55:14 be released on January 22nd although

55:18 although none of our sources for this are particularly concrete but that makes

55:22 sense because the concrete sources are going to be under

55:25 I actually haven't heard anything about it so I'm just speculating on someone

55:29 else's rumor this was posted by whoops

55:33 uh brood on the Forum I'm going to go ahead and pull up the article from everybody's

55:37 favorite I'm doing this just to irk The Forum people I was wondering so I was

55:43 like that was a lot of call outs for the fact that you don't like that Source

55:47 like normally there's like oh just be wary but this one was like so it looks

55:52 like if the rumored specs are correct it'll be around a $200 price point it'll

55:56 have the oh GM

56:00 206 whoa okay I didn't know that was

56:03 happening I actually misread this I thought it was GM 204 because if it was

56:08 GM 204 then it would be an extremely cut down chip versus the GTX 970 and 980 but

56:13 it would be the same chip but this could be its own fully enabled 128bit GM 206

56:20 chip so just to put this in perspective NVIDIA has effectively over the last

56:24 couple generations of products um worked

56:27 their way worked their their their less

56:30 their smaller less expensive dies

56:34 several like it looks like about two bumps up the product stack so it used to

56:39 be that an x04 chip would have been a

56:43 960 950 or like an x60 x50 product and

56:48 that is now an x70 x80 every other generation if the pattern continues and

56:54 then uh an x06 chip would have normally

56:57 been like very lowend like that would have

57:01 been under probably under something 50

57:05 TI like it would be like a vanilla version of that or somewhere like that

57:08 in the product stack so this could be a

57:12 very very affordable chip for NVIDIA to make could be a very very affordable

57:15 chip for you to buy and if it's Maxwell based which of course it will be then it

57:20 uh the performance should actually be really good and it should be very efficient it's rumored to have only a

57:24 single PCI Express six pin power

57:27 connector which is not too surprising if

57:31 you think about it yeah none of this was all that surprising I think the 206

57:36 thing is pretty cool I really hope that a 960 TI which is sort of speculated to

57:41 also be in the works I hope that a 960 TI would also be GM 204 based um maybe

57:47 maybe cut down to 192 bit and then maybe

57:52 cut down maybe much lower clock speed maybe turn off some more Cuda or

57:55 something like mind you by the time you cut it down enough I mean GM 206 might

57:59 be competitive with it at that point so we'll have to see once it gets on a

58:02 bench pretty excited for that I like graphics card launches yeah me too

58:05 especially the affordable ones are always fun cuz like as much as we love

58:09 covering you know Titan Uber Edition or

58:12 whatever we know that most of you people aren't buying that so speaking of which

58:16 go watch the motherboard videos oh yeah the main interesting ones are going to

58:20 be the next two y so I've had people be like this series is useless but then

58:24 I've also people be like thank you this is amazing so those of you that are

58:28 saying this series of useless I think you guys will start having your answers

58:31 in the next two because we'll be covering stuff like uh uh BIOS usability

58:35 what you can do how easily can you do it and then the next one after that will be

58:39 finish system some more once you're in the operating systems different

58:42 utilities that they have and for the really clever folks among you you might

58:45 be able to read between the lines a little bit and see that this isn't just

58:49 about these exact motherboards this is as we get deeper into BIOS issues

58:54 compatibility and stuff like that this is going to be more of an investigation

58:58 into who is doing a good job developing

59:01 motherboard products and making them easy and pleasant to use for the user

59:06 out of these four Brands it's not necessarily just about these models we

59:10 picked a price point and we picked four Brands and told them to give us their

59:15 best shot that's what we're looking at here and we are definitely at a new

59:19 all-time high for concurrent W show viewers I don't know if you've had an

59:23 eye on this but holy trap I don't know what the heck happened are we front page

59:27 no we're not I check or something like we have 7800 viewers watching W show you

59:33 guys are freaking awesome and we love you all there a whole I don't know if

59:37 you've been noticed but I I keep on opening the front page again just being

59:41 like wait did it happen this time CU it keeps going up it's not even a holiday

59:45 today like I don't even understand whatever you guys are awesome um

59:49 Speaking of awesome kim.com Mega to

59:53 Launch anti-spying call in chat service quotee unquote soon this was posted by

59:57 dlf on the Forum want to go ahead and post a link for them I think I'll pull

60:01 up the PC World one I guess I just always post a l Executives link oh okay

60:05 sure that's fine too so basically kim.com came out and criticized actually

60:12 very strongly oh yeah the existing chat clients that are out there saying that

60:17 you shouldn't trust any us-based chat

60:21 company with your chats and your personal information and your and your

60:25 personal data and um this page isn't

60:28 loading so we'll have to give it a sec mine is working fine yeah don't don't

60:32 worry about it um so basically came out and and criticized all the existing

60:36 Services named Skype specifically and I

60:40 got no problem with singling out Skype because Skype is the least secure piece

60:45 of crap

60:49 correct um WhatsApp actually did add end

60:53 to end encryption late this year year or last year I guess by now yay last year

60:58 it's 2015 Corner party we're not in the

61:01 corner hold on let's get in the corner oh this page still isn't loading

61:05 so I can't even I can't even screen I figured out Su um mine's working totally

61:10 fine but uh the link that we had in the doc was a repost because someone's a

61:16 butt so I'm going to post the proper

61:19 original topic now although I still don't know why yours isn't loading cuz

61:23 it's working totally fine on mine I'm going to throw this link I think it's just that s right there okay oh cuz

61:28 you're not going to Oh I thought you're doing not on the con my website's fine

61:33 yeah no no it's all good no no no you're don't worry your website is

61:39 working um so anyway fully encrypted browser based video call and chat

61:43 service so this frees you from the clutches of Google assuming you trust

61:47 Mega maybe you do maybe you don't I don't know um I'm interested in it I I'm

61:53 yeah yeah yeah I guess that's really all there's to say about it it'll be called Mega chat I just wish creative thing

62:00 ever I saw my dad has a wireless keyboard for his home theater setup and

62:04 I saw a little MSN Messenger button on it and I just stared at it for a little

62:08 while and was like please please come back you were so much better I know oh

62:13 man like there was voice capability in everything I know they even had video at

62:17 the end yeah there's no reason they had like uh they had like your your MSN

62:22 Messenger like profile page like back when back when social networks were just

62:26 starting up like Microsoft crapped the bed on having the largest install base

62:31 on what was effectively a social network they had it they totally it was

62:36 game over and icq you could say the same thing about them completely crap the bed

62:41 AOL same thing it's like each one of those in their time was number one was

62:46 way ahead of this social networking game and guys like Facebook come out of

62:50 nowhere and have to play catchup on the messaging app and it's still terrible

62:55 NSN is still better than Facebook Messenger all I even use Facebook for

62:59 right now is group networking so I can plan events with different groups that I

63:03 have and chat y That's it news no news

63:06 feed none of that junk just chat and groups which were already implemented

63:11 years sometimes group chats oh wait we don't even need it for that all right so

63:16 this was posted by Dietrich W on the Forum and it's from macro.com Apple

63:21 getting hit with a class action lost suit over large iOS 8 storage

63:28 requirements holy crap I mean s cynicism

63:32 hat back on because class action lawsuits benefit absolutely nobody but

63:38 lawyers nobody but a lawyer benefits from a class action lawsuit because the

63:43 number of plaintiffs is so large and the

63:47 reward that goes to each of them is so small that it ends up being a very large

63:52 settlement so once the lawyer takes makes their cut that's a huge chunk of

63:56 money and then everyone who participated in the class action lawsuit gets like

64:01 their $6 and a coupon or whatever the

64:04 settlement ends up being like what was that Intel one recently over the faked

64:07 benchmarks like $22 or something yeah yeah yeah so basically the argument here

64:13 is that apple does not limit the size of

64:17 their ios8 or their of of their OS

64:20 updates that they roll out to these phones and it could be taking more

64:24 storage more than the user is aware of than it did when they first bought the

64:29 device and you know what I have to say to that stupid lawyer who is a bad

64:34 basically a bad person is how about we all be thankful that Apple provides OS

64:39 updates to their older devices so that we get updated feature sets and so we

64:43 get the latest security patches how about that how about we say thank you

64:46 Apple that my iPhone 4 only just recently stopped getting updates when

64:51 Android phones from that era are still

64:54 stuck on like gingerbread how about that what do you

64:58 think how about we say thank you Apple for supporting your devices instead of

65:01 being complete buttheads and turning it into like and and they of course there's

65:06 this totally totally

65:09 romanticized version of how devastating

65:13 this is to the user like they're at a wedding and they can't capture that

65:17 moment because their storage is full you know what oh and then Apple will

65:21 opportunistically sell more storage to them through iCloud you know they should

65:25 have thought of that before they can I help you just taking this laptop all

65:32 right so confused carry on

65:35 Soldier um so right so yeah so anyway

65:39 they they so they're they're pitching it as this like absolute worst case

65:43 scenario you know what another option would be to empty your phone once in a

65:46 while and make sure you actually have some space on it before you go to a wedding now with that said I really

65:51 would appreciate if Apple would start putting expandable storage in their

65:54 devices cuz it really doesn't seem like that big of a deal but um and like yeah

65:59 storage capacity sucks but exactly like he said just start managing your data

66:03 let's stop suing companies over doing the right thing even if they uh did

66:08 display the amount that the uh update

66:12 took even if they were like you only have this much available you'd still hit the cap

66:18 knowing like I have this exact data and I've taken this exact amount of photos

66:22 and have this exact many songs like you're not going to do that calculation in your freaking head you would check

66:26 your system storage settings anyways get over

66:31 yourself all right so I think that's

66:34 sorry 8000 I know I well no I was I was trying to find something that I could uh

66:39 that I could kind of click on so we could okay here we go

66:44 whatever ASUS Zen phone allegedly coming so the source is Android police and this

66:49 was posted by that cool blue kid on the

66:53 Forum so so I wanted to I wanted to have a corner

66:58 party that's why you wanted to do that the last Corner party what was that for

67:02 I don't remember oh no it was for lots of viewers yeah but I don't remember how

67:06 many it was for it was for less than 8,000 yes over oh oh my goodness we have

67:12 to do something special when we go over 9,000 for the first time we should get

67:16 like okay I'm going to should I keep this idea Under Wraps yeah yeah keep the

67:20 idea Under Wraps we'll we'll figure it out we'll figure it out we'll have to incentivize everyone who's watching to

67:25 like share the stream and be like look just tune into this stream don't worry

67:28 about it watch it happen not that I think it will but watch it happen during the show we just completely unprepared

67:33 no no don't do it now we're not ready yet we're not ready yet all right so

67:37 ASUS is teasing their New Zen phone to be unveiled at CES saying see what

67:42 others can't see and I think the the r

67:45 the video is very cryptic but the rumor is that we could be looking at a very

67:49 different kind of dual camera setup than we've seen before in the past so as

67:54 you'll see below the device itself couldn't possibly have these two lenses

67:58 if that's what they are arranged side by side when held in portrait mode in fact

68:01 the screenshot above looks like it may just be a product of a post- production

68:04 mirroring effect on the single lens something something something um I think

68:09 one of the rumors is that we might be looking at a camera with optical zoom or

68:12 something along those lines so that would be kind of cool

68:17 um yeah I don't know we'll see we can

68:21 watch the video if we want oh you'll be

68:24 this I liked the pad phone X yeah yeah I'll be checking this out um I liked the

68:28 pad phone X the only issue I have with it is that mine is locked to A&T so I'm

68:33 Canadian and AT&T refuses to unlock it for me yeah so I was just like

68:40 okay I cannot be a customer of yours it

68:43 is not possible we cannot unlock it for

68:46 you I'm like yes you can you just won't yeah they're like

68:52 yes oh man so yeah I mean ASUS is one of

68:58 those companies they they'll screw it up and screw it up and screw it up and half

69:03 asset and half ass it and then be almost there and then be almost there and then

69:08 they'll just take over um they have the manufacturing

69:12 knoow what they what they usually lack is the industrial design but they've

69:16 gotten a lot better at that in the last few years and I'm excited to see what

69:20 they come out with with the uh with the New Zen phone

69:24 um Bitcoin deemed the worst currency of 2014 this was posted by big stuns on the

69:29 Forum I mean I still wish I'd had some Bitcoins back when it was above $1,000

69:34 but since then it has dropped to Just Around

69:37 $320 I mean anyone who kind of could

69:41 predict the future would have known that something like this was going to happen

69:45 anyway it wasn't going to it wasn't going to keep Rising like this and

69:49 settling in at $320 if it can stay

69:52 settled is just fine because that's what it needs to be a currency it needs to

69:58 not be rising really fast just as much as it needs to not be falling really

70:02 fast it just needs to establish a value and stay there so that whole Gold Rush

70:07 thing was totally harmful to bitcoin and if it's yeah if it's ever to have a

70:12 chance it needs to just even if it even iFit the Bitcoin value dropped to $100

70:17 or $50 as long as it settles in somewhere and people know what it's

70:21 going to be worth then they can trade with it cuz right now it's just complete

70:25 mess ridiculous um do we have anything else

70:30 some this screenshot and said what do you mean msn's gone um there's there's

70:35 still I think you can still use the client with like

70:39 um and I think it's not gone in all territories it's not gone in all regions

70:44 like it's complicated the the gradual killing off of the service has been in

70:49 progress for quite some time okay yeah cuz I got kind of excited

70:54 no was like was there some way I can do this and the problem the problem would

70:57 be related to other things like there's there' be no security on it there'd be a

71:01 lot of spam on it like it's not being maintained yeah so yeah apparently

71:05 there's a vase amount for IMAX now new.com cuz I complained a lot oh wow

71:10 this is the stupidest thing ever I hadn't actually looked at this yet it's

71:14 like engineering a solution to a problem that should not

71:19 exist oh really the largest most

71:22 ridiculous thing ever and it leaves the leg on it so you actually have to just

71:27 leave the foot on the new iMac you can

71:30 use it as like a phone tray you know you know those things that they have where

71:35 you you plug your phone into the wall it's like that's now built into

71:41 your iMac aluminum

71:44 design you wanted a high build quality phone stand I had people giving me crap

71:49 in my in my iPhone or my uh my iMac tear

71:52 down where I was saying that I think it's totally asinine that Apple doesn't

71:56 allow the stand to be removed and swapped for a vase amount like it did

71:59 with the old ones now you have to decide at the time of ordering and people are

72:03 saying no no lonus there's a vase amount this does not

72:07 count that is

72:11 stupid stupid stupid stupid and apple

72:16 needs to get their crap together like that's not even an upgradeability thing

72:21 that's just common sense monitors go on base amounts and yeah we're almost at

72:27 8,300 what that's incredible we're not just

72:31 beating our previous record we're just wrecking it crushing it absolutely

72:36 ridiculous monstrous all right so um

72:40 this has apparently been redacted but the internet was pretty excited about it

72:43 momentarily I think um okay so I've been speculating for quite a while that it

72:47 would be Q4 maybe Q3 but probably Q4 so

72:51 this wasn't too surprising um but I have a theory that part of the reason why it

72:55 was redacted was um they probably want it to be a big thing at

73:00 CES I'm wondering if that's going to be an announcement at CES right so

73:05 basically um he was so so Palmer was

73:09 quoted as saying that the consumer version of the Oculus Rift would be

73:13 released uh what was it winter 201 win 2015 um that has since been changed

73:20 to late 2015 early 16 I think is the new

73:24 quote that's been that's been replaced in the article and honestly I wouldn't

73:28 be surprised either it's it's

73:31 yeah I don't know they need to Super

73:34 Duper make sure that their first consumer version is 100% okay because if

73:40 if there's any problems with their first consumer version that's going to cause

73:43 serious issues for the VR Community as a whole we need the first consumer version

73:48 from the massive Front Runners to be a very very good success for the entire

73:53 industry I'm so stoked to play uh uh

73:56 Valkyrie like so stoked Valkyrie will be sick I'm I'm excited for something I'm

74:01 not going to tell you guys a ton of yet but a company that I'll be going and

74:05 seeing at CES that has a VR AR mixed

74:08 headset that should be really cool hopefully we'll see um well I guess that's pretty much

74:14 uh that's pretty much it for today oh

74:18 there was one thing that I um that I told this that I told this company that

74:22 I would talk about brief on the show um

74:25 no not that I thought it was three so this is

74:29 actually here I'll load up the uh I'll load up the site I don't even know how

74:33 to pronounce it but I get contacted I don't know because vessel

74:38 would have two s's right yeah but I

74:41 don't know companies do that a lot okay

74:45 here we go so vessel case they these

74:48 guys contacted me and they were like

74:52 yeah we have like this super high quality iPhone 6 case we think you'll be

74:56 really really impressed with it and we want you to review it and I kind of went

74:59 well I'm I don't really review phone cases because what is there to say about

75:05 a phone case uh not a lot uh so so

75:08 basically what I said was look I'm not going to review it but what I will do is

75:13 if you guys want to send one I will try it and I will like open it and put it on

75:18 my phone on the podcast and I will give people my thoughts on it so my initial

75:24 reaction here I'll hold this up a little bit closer for you actually you know

75:27 what I could probably do is add can you be my cameraman yeah it'll

75:33 be like the old days yeah this is so exciting didn't we do something fairly

75:37 recently I don't remember oh okay this

75:41 is going to be fairly difficult because the cable don't worry you got this you got this bro and I have no viewfinder

75:47 hold on hold on I got to I got to change the the output size we we need this uh

75:52 we need this camera putting out at 1920 by 1080 all right so um here you go I

75:59 told them I'd do like a live unboxing on on the W show so this is the case you

76:03 can choose uh you can choose your wood finish I believe I went with space gray

76:09 Walnut so there's little um there's little pins that hold together the

76:14 corners here there we go yeah oh yeah

76:17 that that depth of field bro that oh come on focus focus I have no manual

76:22 control there go if I hold my hand there then we can see it all right so those

76:25 are in there like that so the construction is all like metally and

76:30 sexy and stuff and then the buttons kind of go through the thing and there's like

76:33 a I don't know a foam or something there okay anyway let's put the let's put it

76:36 on the phone and so my initial reaction was

76:41 like oh yeah this seems pretty cool I've actually had it on my phone already I

76:44 cheated I unboxed it without you guys um

76:47 now I'm a little bit worried because I had it on before and I had to take it

76:51 off because I had to put something else on on my iPhone 6 um but anyway the way

76:56 that you put it together is then you put um you put the last screw in this corner

77:00 so I'm going to go ahead and do that and it comes with this little tool which is

77:04 actually pretty cool vessel case.com and I hope yes I did I put the screw there

77:09 so it comes with its own uh there its

77:12 own little like socket thing and then it's got a little cap on it and I guess

77:16 you could store that on your keychain if you felt like you might need to take

77:19 your case off your phone very frequently are like are these like

77:24 premium bumpers becoming more popular

77:27 cuz I have to confess I was not really aware bumpers are only really an iPhone

77:31 thing right I think so yeah so I have no idea

77:37 right see not a clear let's see if I can

77:40 do this I'm having trouble now of course I have trouble when I try and do it on

77:44 camera it's like Murphy's freaking law right this is a really weird way to film

77:49 something dang Murphy ah anyway so I was like yeah this

77:53 seems pretty cool but I got to say I wasn't that impressed with the price

77:58 this thing is 20 sorry 120 hold on hold on it gets

78:04 my first guess before you even started saying it price was it's

78:07 138 Euros Euros oh no that's okay that's

78:14 a lot worse yeah so I mean it's nice so

78:18 there you go that's what it looks like I've got a debrand case on here and it

78:22 actually does fit even with the vinyl case although I'm sure they'd probably

78:26 prefer if you if you kind of kept it clean clean metal on the back for the

78:30 looks so I told them I would install it on the phone and I would show it on the

78:33 show but that I wasn't going to review it because if I was going to review it

78:37 then I would have to bring up that you're spending $160 for a bumper case

78:41 that effectively doesn't actually provide a ton of protection for your

78:44 phone 138 yeah 138 with that said the

78:47 protection for the phone isn't that bad cuz what they've done is they've got a bit of a lip on it here so this lens is

78:52 never going to going to sit face down on things anymore which is a problem that I

78:55 have with the iPhone 6 and then if you have a vinyl WRA back here and you throw

78:59 some Phantom glass on the front then aside from that you've just spent like

79:04 $200 um the phone is actually reasonably well protected and uh let's just go

79:10 ahead and remove that the phone will then be reasonably well protected but

79:14 you've just spent like $200 on like a

79:17 combo case for your phone with a dbrand skin Phantom blast front and like a uh

79:22 buy a whole another phone we're going to get into the motherboard's territory there you're just like protecting your

79:27 phone when you could just buy another one at that point yeah not quite but I

79:31 mean the button passrs are good and this is one of the few cases I've encountered

79:35 that actually allows you to use the mute toggle um as a pass through rather than

79:40 just kind of reaching through something so I'll give them that like it's it's

79:44 nice but uh I don't think that's the kind of thing that I would spend my own

79:48 money on right yes so there you

79:51 go I think that's pretty much it for everything that I wanted to talk about

79:55 on the show today I just wanted to do like a quick glance through to see if

79:58 there was anything else but I think that was it there's that lamp that lasts for

80:02 40 years yeah but it costs how much two grand two grand okay I can I'd rather

80:07 replace my light bulb every once in a while yeah especially because we've

80:11 already got LED bulbs that cost like 10 bucks or 20 bucks and last for also lots

80:17 of years maybe not 40 years and like by

80:20 the time that LED light bulb finally dies there like might be something new

80:23 and better or version of that which will also be cheap yeah so here guys I'll

80:28 pull up the article for that just for amusement more than anything else so

80:32 Jake Dyson has designed an LED light that lasts for 40 years um the light is

80:37 called

80:41 Ariel the L's called Ariel scroll done I

80:45 was hoping to have something else to say about it it has a massive freaking heat

80:49 sink yep but that's common with LED light bulbs like I installed LED

80:53 lighting in okay I installed LED lights

80:57 in my son's room and they should have probably had bigger heat sinks because

81:01 those things ran freaking hot so aside from needing to redo the dimmer switch

81:05 to one that's uh LED dim dimmable LED

81:08 compatible I put two of them in a fixture those things give off a ton of

81:14 heat like it's actually kind of scary right yeah um right and then one other

81:18 thing that I wanted to do was a call out for uh someone who's been helping us out

81:23 a lot on the W show lately um both ghost

81:28 and fighter leid who has been doing the timestamps on the WAN Show pretty much

81:33 um alone according to ghost who coordinates fighter leid doing the

81:37 timestamps and submits them to me so that Luke and I don't have to sit and

81:40 watch the show and uh kind of go go

81:43 through that on our own go watch the show that we just hosted which is it's

81:47 kind of kind of sucky yeah so hearing yourself talk for an

81:53 hour and a half is like not great so we

81:56 we crushed it you guys we have 8600 viewers which we've never had on the

82:01 show before you guys are amazing thank you so much for tuning in and we'll see

82:05 you guys again next week I think we're going to do a very short Afterparty tonight um but other than that it's

82:10 packing time we're heading to CES yes totally unprepared although I did I

82:15 need to shop tomorrow I already did I need shirts I got some yeah I don't have

82:20 enough pants I don't want to know about your sexual

82:24 exploits oh I see how you did that

82:27 although if the shirts helped then maybe you should tell me what shirts you were getting the shirts did not help actually

82:32 I didn't wear any of them for that well you're not supposed to wear a shirt

82:35 during that I mean how else are you supposed to show off your sexy

82:38 potentially wear a shirt in progress

82:42 before when you're still working on yeah

82:45 the objective yeah and that's when

82:51 shirt your shirt's never helped

82:54 me just when they're off yeah did l.com

82:57 teach you that no but I could put that on a Squarespace

83:03 site and and then you could look at it on your phone and protect your phone

83:06 with glass