The WAN Show - 87% of Android Devices are "Insecure" - October 16, 2015
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·Linus Tech Tips
·2016-05-06
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all right and wiby wobby woo we are live
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with only a few technical difficulties this week yes my friends only a few but
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we moved the wow logo it is no longer over top of Luke's head now it is over
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top of mine it's not over your head okay
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it's it's a okay well I'm short are you
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sitting up taller than usual no I'm not usually you lower your chair so we're
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about the same height I actually never lower my chair you lower my chair not
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that I'm asking you to go ahead and do that now but you know that's that's as
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low as it can go I'm sorry God I hate
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you uh so welcome to the W show guys we've got a great show ahead of us today
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I hope and uh we've actually had honestly actually okay we we probably do
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have a great show ahead of us because this has been one of those weeks where
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I'm averaging about four hours of sleep a night um because I have been working
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my butt off on a couple of things to just kind of kick ass and get us ahead
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of the eightball for the first time since we've moved in like we actually
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had some content buffered when we
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started moving and then of course we used it all like we we we burned that so
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hard when we moved and then since then I don't know if any of you guys have ever
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moved before but it's horrible it's not
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like you move for 3 days and then you kind of go oh yeah I'm going to relax on
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the front porch with my glass of like lemonade and my you know I like the
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lemonade Choice yeah the Le lemonade and I got like my neighbor boy mowing the
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lawn and it's like whatever no no no no
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no no it's not like that so we have been moving since we moved um we're still
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yeah there's still a lot of stuff being sorted out there's still a lot of stuff but there's a lot that's taken care of
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and it's gotten to the point where this week I was able to only do a few moving
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things I was able to do all the videos that I normally need to do and get two
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full extra ltts shot so uh stay tuned
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cuz they're they're actually both good Dell sent us a ruggedized tablet that is
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rated for being dropped almost a meter while in operation uh not to mention
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that it has a capacitive touchcreen that operates with water on it so that's cool
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wait we're supposed to do the intro chip gate will be a thing that we're being
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talk well that we'll talk about also Tesla cars are able to auto drive as of
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yesterday yester the scarp laser Razer got pulled off Kickstarter and Belle is
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being finded huge amounts of money for faking app reviews on the App Store we
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should probably roll the intro the worst thing about that is that in the context
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of how much money Belle makes selling you their service and their apps it's
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really just pennies but that's a whole other conversation which I guess we
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should do after after the intro the
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intro I love this
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show
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it might be more than one part Heavens a
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lus tech tips video that's multi-art
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this one like I don't think I would have a choice I think if you put it in one video even if it was a pretty long video
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it would be just way too hard to watch there's way there's you've seen part of
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the problems that I have to solve already yes I have and I have to like document doing all of that right and
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there's more that I probably haven't told you about yet right okay uh so
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basically Luke has a really cool build blog that he's working on actually it is
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going to be a crazy awesome sort of
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period of time here for for video content uh starting this weekend uh
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YouTube is getting the scrapyard War season 3 premiere
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vessel y vessel's getting episode um uh YouTube is getting the
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Dual headed gaming machine oh my god build did you watch it is so cool yeah
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um so we've got a single box two Gamers playing a Battlefront on it at the same
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time um I just finished shooting my video of the x34 Predator LCD so that's
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acers 34in curved Ultra wide gsync 100
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HZ monitor it's freaking bananas um I
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just finished filming that Dell ruggedized tablet that you can like kick
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around and like um it get this not just
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waterproof or or water well nothing is proof but not just not just water
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resistant like rain but uh Jets of water
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from any Direction that's the Ingress Protection rating on this thing I am so
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stoked to put it through the paces that's super cool to to be fair though
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Jets of water would you count a waterfall as a jet of water I would cuz
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it has weight to it yeah yeah yeah so my Z3 was held under a waterfall screen up
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recording with the camera for like 5 minutes why I wanted to test because you
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could yeah and it worked fine so like
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that rating means it can probably take even more than that so I was planning to
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pull out those like soer Blaster things that we have and just like wreck
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it that's awesome yeah so I'm I'm pretty I'm pretty excited for that um right I
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guess we should do topics like what was I talking about before the intro I'm
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sorry I'm super sleep like the the week in recap right so we are we are finally
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going to be back ahead in terms of the content which means we're not like
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running around like let me find an example you know sometimes sometimes
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people call us out on this and we don't
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generally sort of acknowledge it but come on guys it's not like we're not
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aware that once in a while a piece of content is something that we were kind
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of sitting around going what's the fastest thing we can do right now it's 1
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p.m. we don't have a video started yet
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for tonight what can we throw together so
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like um the server room updates video took forever it took way longer than it
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was supposed to so recycling your electronics was one that I've kind of
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had in my mind for the better part of a
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year but the original plan was to do it as like a music video or something yeah
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yeah so that got kicked in the head and that became just a normal LTT release
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which is super easy which which was which was easy but you know what
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interesting and important but easy you know what's really funny about that
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video it really didn't do well on
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release but over time it's actually
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still so so a week after its release more than a week after its release it's
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still holding steady at about 4,000 views a day that is very very strong so
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in the long term that video may actually do really well which is good sometimes
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less fire truck yeah less fire
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truck sometimes I think like some of our
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most innovative ideas have come about when we just are kind of forced to do
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something fast like um that that video
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uh the best type of CPU Cooler final answer that has 1.27 million VI well you
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also named it very clickbaity that's probably one
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of our like most click baity videos ever and it's not even isn't it not even the
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final answer or don't even the final answer is it depends isn't that what you
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do well that is that is a thing I do yes
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yes that's no but that is the
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answer the final answer is that you don't have an answer it's like hold on
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hold on hold on hold on hold on okay so lonus Final Answer here no I'm going to
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I'll I'll screen I'll screen share this with you guys because this is a thing
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I've done um so best type of CPU Cooler
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the final answer it depends okay cor i7 versus Zeon which
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is better final answer it depends AMD
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versus Intel final answer I remember that one it depends yeah sometimes AMD
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versus NVIDIA final answer sometimes
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that's the answer the answer is how old are those videos we should just redo
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that there's a lot of Fanboy hate going around right now yeah five five years
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ago was the uh Intel versus AMD one we could totally redo that cuz that was on
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the NC Tech tips Channel not even but the thing is that people don't
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understand about this Fanboy crap is that it's not that simple people are
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like don't NVIDIA cards run hot sometimes some cards 480 yeah 480
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was a furnace in your Tower I know because I ran four of them in a half X
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at the time and it was redonkulous they didn't throttle what or
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die but it was in a half X yeah so
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like yeah we gave them a Fighting Chance
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yeah um sorry I don't remember I don't remember where I was going with that
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anymore right right right right right the answer is not that simple life is
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rarely that simple what car should I buy
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I don't know do you need a do you need a truck
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bed do you have to make Long Haul trips across North America maybe you need a
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semi I don't know are you trying to pick up chicks maybe lose the semi unless
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you're trying to pick up trucker chicks in which case grab the set I don't know
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who are you what are you about or just a classy woman who wants man with a
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straightup job right and doesn't want to see him
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very often maybe maybe she's introverted
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maybe she's maybe okay so introverted chicks who are into a guy with a a
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well-paying job that has him away from home a
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lot now we're getting really specific all right so let's jump into
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our first talk topic of the day this one is from ours Technica are you dropping
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links sure that was my way of saying yo drop the link I
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know we communicate so well
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now it's like the old married couple thing it's like so the uh the the
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glasses yeah I'm cleaning
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them so this is really scary University
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of Cambridge study finds 87% of Android
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devices are insecure the study blames the oems for
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lack of updates and ranks Nexus devices
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as the most secure which shouldn't be a device uh which shouldn't be a surprise
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for a couple of reasons number one the obvious reason that Google is
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responsible for updating Nexus devices directly number two the less obvious and
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more unsettling reason is that the Nexus
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program hasn't been around that long yeah so Google commits support for Nexus
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devices for I believe it's 2 years so
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there just aren't that many Nexus devices that are outside of the support
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period which isn't saying that the Nexus
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program solves the problem at all like at
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all um this is really brutal yeah I mean this is just brutal stuff what else you
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got uh for this topic yeah uh Google and
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oems have committed to like he said the monthly security update program but it's
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for uh less than 2 years old or for Nexus 3 years oh there you go but that's
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security updates not new versions of Android but still security updates so a
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lot of people's devices is it everywhere now that your contract is only allowed
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to last for two years no that's Canadian law so not us yeah I have no idea how it
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works elsewhere okay so in Canada your contract with your phone company can
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only last for two years um but another
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thing is is this agreement two years since the device launched I believe so
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so not two years since your contract started and a lot of people are going to
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start a contract and then only want to pay like 50 bucks for a phone not a
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considerable amount for a phone so they might get an older model of a phone
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which is actually very close to its security updates being over so if you're
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going through rotations of phones based on renewing your contract which is
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extremely common uh your yeah well not
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anymore yeah you could end up still on a a very current for you phone that's
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within your contract period so you're not eligible for a device upgrade that
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is not still getting security updates and this has really come to a head
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because of some of the really scary Android exploits that have cropped up
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lately so what's the answer well the
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answer is actually pretty obvious uh both apple and Microsoft with their
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recent Fu to the US carriers yeah that was awesome is that awesome yeah yeah
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it's in there we should maybe we'll move on to you want to bring that up and we'll do that as our next topic um both
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apple and Microsoft have the answer you just have to well say F you to the
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carriers and start and to the oems and
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that I mean that might not be something that that that's it's it's such a
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double-edged sword for Google so one screw the carriers no one cares about
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what they think and two you have to be delivering your security updates from a
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central service the way that both apple
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with iOS and Microsoft with Windows 10 are going to be doing the problem is
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that part of the Android benefit that the double-edged sword that is Android
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is that it gives the device makers the
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flexibility to implement their own upgrades and their own tweaks and their
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own user experience enhancements like whether it's uh multi- window support or
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whether it's enhanced I mean little even just little stupid things like LG's
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enhanced copy paste is awesome like so
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awesome it just comes with it just comes with a clipboard clipboard tray it's
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like Yay this is cool or I mean just
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little things like the way that Motorola I I love showing this off because it is
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so cool the way that Motorola lets you just flick a couple times and turn on
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your flashlight or wiggle and turn on the camera like my camera launch is
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faster than any other anyone else because I can be wiggling it as I lift
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it up to my face and my camera app is launched um but there's there's things
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around that too in the Microsoft article yes um and I would rather security
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personally in the Microsoft article though it says when asked about carrier
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updates U Microsoft stated that Microsoft will be working closely with
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mobile operators to leverage their their testing and are this word a little weird
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and are fighting to meet and exceed current quality bars we will use their
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input to decide when to send the updates out based on input from mobile operators
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mainly and Windows insiders as well but like so think about it they could talk
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to those carriers and be like hey we're going to launch this in x amount of time
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here's all the code update your crap and if they don't do it that's their fault
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in my opinion but instead it's going the other way around they're being too
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careful about it being like here's your stuff you send it out whenever you're
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ready that's putting no pressure on them and they're just going to be like H
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we'll update it when our small team has enough time to do and like I I get the
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argument from the Android handset maker side where they're like uh you know what
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actually our margins are really Slim and we straight up can't afford the dev time
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if you're going to expect us to release a new device X Y or Z and you know what
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the answer to that then is you have to charge more you can't just keep slashing
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your price and in order to stay competitive and just kind of of say YOLO
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screw it to the customers who already bought your products and the the the
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really disappointing part of all of this is you know that it's not just the
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little guys like I get it if ZTE or like
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you know what would be an example of like a small anyway I get it if your
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little your little companies your OnePlus or whatever if they're kind of
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going yeah we have an Enthusiast phone we expect people to update their OS
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themselves or or whatever we're charging a rock bottom price for it I get it if
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they're kind of taking that stance and that sucks for their users but hopefully
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they go into that knowing what they're getting but for the Giants like Samsung
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it's totally inexcusable to be spending your billions of dollars on marketing
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the next big thing when you're not actually taking care of the last
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freaking big thing properly so I mean
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yeah let's let's see if there's anything else to really mention about the Windows thing not much basically Microsoft is
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just being relatively aggressive when it comes to updating their stuff and
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they're saying that their main input on when to update things will be from uh
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Windows insiders and mobile operators but they will just be pushing it
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directly through their own Services anyways so if Services if things need to
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be updated they just will be so there's a lot of things I like about Android but
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this to security to me could be a huge
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huge factor for Windows mobile adoption
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yeah I mean it still needs app support but but but security for a while has
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been kind of pushing me away from Android a bit to be completely honest
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yeah well I mean looking at the uh the RS the RS graph has a great uh has a
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great graphic here too so it's I mean this isn't new that's the whole point
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yeah yeah it's like going back to April 2012 yeah it was the same as it is today
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in October 2016 yeah and there are and we've talked
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about this repeatedly in the past over and over and
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over again about how there's huge security problems and like uh people are
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going to slam on me but I don't care um when iPhone's coming out with like the
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little encrypted core and all that kind of stuff and when there's the huge case
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in the states where they were trying to see if was wasn't it government could
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see what's on that part of your phone MH
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and they said no you can't that's awesome that's super cool
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it's annoying because there's no way I
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want to give up this phone yep I love this phone yep like I actually do yeah
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there's there's stuff that I hate about the the iPhone and Windows Phone
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experiences the fact that with iOS you must have an iPhone which means if you
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want decent battery life you better put some cludy stupid mofy case over top of
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it it's like thank you Joanie I for your
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beautiful industrial design that just isn't camera bump like just so much dum
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crap there's so many things that make me hate I lose the camera bump and fill it
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with battery what a concept yeah but
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whatever it's not artistic enough or something um and then Windows phone I
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mean I think my problems with Windows Phone are fairly well documented at this point um speaking of the iPhone though
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uh let's let's bring up chip gate the iPhone
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6s controversy um so I'm just going to pull
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up Austin's video on it which has about 500,000 views yes this is something a
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that's an ad well we're supporting Austin right cool um so I'm going to P
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yeah I'll pull up Austin's video on it which one thing that I really like that
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I got a call out here is Jonathan Morrison as well they these guys like
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kind of teamed up for these videos so they both have a call out to each other
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at the end of each other's videos and their videos complement each other so if
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you're interested in chip gate check out Austin's and Jonathan Morrison's Yeah so
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basically in a nutshell um Apple
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couldn't get enough chips or didn't want to for whatever reason buy all of their
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chips from a single Source because the reality of it is there's only a handful
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of Manufacturers on the planet Apple not being one of them who can actually
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fabricate semiconductors like that is micro
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microprocessors at the latest manufacturing process nodes so Intel is
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one of them and you can bet that Intel isn't going to run around making iPhone
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CPUs um Samsung is another one and as unlikely a partnership as that seems
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Samsung is actually one of the sources for the iPhone 6s tsmc is another one
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Global foundaries the spin-off from amds old manufacturing is another and I can't
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remember what happened we we actually talked about this on W show but I can't
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remember what happened to IBM's IBM's junk but uh blah blah blah chip
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fabrication I think they might have sold two Global foundaries if I recall
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correctly so anyway there there's only a handful of companies you can make them
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from and usually um go with one or the
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other because it requires a significant amount of re-engineering of the chip
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itself in order to utilize someone else's manufacturing process and in the
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case of Samsung and tsmc we are actually
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talking about them not even quite being on the same node so one of them is uh I
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believe is 14 nanometer while the other is 16 neter but I'm doing that off the
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top of my head pretty sure it's 14 16 I don't see it in the thing I'll try to find it which actually means that tsmc's
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chip is slightly physically larger even
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noticeably so Apple had to do a metric
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crap ton of work now to be clear a smaller manufacturing process does not
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always mean uh you know faster transistor switching so that's the
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frequency the megahertz it does not always mean that it doesn't always mean
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less or more heat output uh perfect
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example of that was oh crap I am drawing a complete blank
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but if I recall correctly heat output was a bit of an issue on early Ivy
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bridge but don't don't quote me on that anyway the point is that you don't
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always get this shrinking it was good for a long time and then it started to
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get to the point where shrinking it more caused higher heat density which was
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harder to dissipate because you just don't have a whole lot of area to slap a
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heat sink on anymore so it's it's a very very complicated equation and at the end
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of the day so for whatever reason apple is dual sourcing their A9 processors
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from tsmc and from Samsung yes 14 nmet
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from Samsung and 16 nmet from tsmc and
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it's this is the chip gate is already on Wikipedia that's awesome so basically uh
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YouTuber Austin Evans tested both and saw that tsmc's Hardware uh was capable
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of a longer battery life in his test so he was using an app called Lum that
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identifies which processor a phone has and then pull you pull a reference
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number and it tells you exactly what code corresponds to it the app was by
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the way pulled temporarily due to compatibility issues and it's being put back up that's according to the doc I'm
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not sure if it's back up yet I also know that it was free and it showed up again
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as a paid app so there's there's that as well um Apple actually did Issue a
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statement one of these days YouTubers are going to stop you know twisting the
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thumb screws on poor apple with you know Bend Gates and Chip Gates and I wonder
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what the next gate will be um so Apple stated that button gate certain fabric
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manufactur Ed lab tests which run the processors with A continuous heavy
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workload until the battery depletes are not representative of a real world use
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case scenario uh which on Android they wouldn't be able to say
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because I've certainly I've certainly managed that with stupid power hogging
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apps since they spend an unrealistic amount of time at the highest CPU
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performance state it is a misleading way to measure real world battery life one
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thing I must say is that manufactured lab tests if Austin or Jonathan that and
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that is describing their things good job guys that's impressive because Apple
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saying that what you did was a manufactured lab test is like pretty dope actually but also they both did a
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very hardcore style if I remember correctly I think they both did a very
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hardcore Style Lab Test style test and then also did more realistic style
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scenarios and like clear by manufactured
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we're meaning like synthetic like like not real world actual usage and then and
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then they did things like oh I took a time lapse for a while or I like
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recorded a a video for 10 minutes which is not unrealistic at all so they both
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did more real life stuff as updated the video ran geekbench and so at the end of
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that the Samsung iPhone was reading 55% battery in the tsmc iPhone was reading
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62% so there were some variances based on what tests that they did but like I
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said earlier check out both of their videos yeah and a thing to understand
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too is that even from Chip to chip from the same manufacturer off of the same
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freaking weight you can see significant variations I
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mean that's why you know the cor i7
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5960x exists and the 5820k also exists
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they're the same damn thing they come off of the same
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wafer but some are better than others and that's life some of them run at and
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I mean Intel for example this happened a couple Generations ago now they stopped
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raing their processors at a fixed default voltage yeah it's a it's a range
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now so if you buy a CPU for your desktop it could run at slightly lower or higher
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power consumption than the one in your in your phone so that shouldn't really surprise anyone but that hasn't kept the
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usual knee-jerk reaction of of you product recall class action lawsuit from
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from kind of cropping up it's just if Apple only advertises the lower of the
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two then it's more of a yay I got a
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Bonus than I got ripped off by buying
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you know luck of the draw I got the wrong one and also to be fair
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it's fairly consistent that the tsmc chip is coming out with much better well
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not necessarily even much better but definitely better noticeably better yeah
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battery life it's pretty consistent so
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the the binning thing might not completely apply here um it applies to
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everything to a certain degree but like it's I think it's beyond that by a fair
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amount so I mean I guess with all of that said so we got all the factual
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stuff out of the way um what's your take on this
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um I don't know I I already don't like battery life on like everything this
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phone is actually a pretty good exception I can often get a day and 3/4
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or maybe even two days if I really drag it out on the second day and like try
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not to have the screen on too much um
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so anything that's going to screw with my battery life on a phone that honestly
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doesn't have that great battery life already I would probably be pretty pissed off so would you return it
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bearing in mind that Apple's return policy is excellent would you return it and and roll the dice again probably
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I don't like setting up a new device does not take that long for me nope it
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doesn't anymore used to if I had a Samsung chip I would actually return it
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yes but would you feel like you're entitled to class action whatever the
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heck if you're a bunch of people stuck with Samsung chips now maybe not class
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action in what form like do you think ow you money yeah well that's how they
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usually works if I actually thought that
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they had advertised it in a different way yes I don't know I haven't looked at
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any of their advertisements if I could test it against one of their advertisements and then be like no it
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didn't make through what you just told me it would then sure yes I would feel
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that way because that's false advertising and that's but if
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it's just not as good as the other one then no I'll just try to roll and Gamble
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and get it eventually right like I just return it and then if that didn't work
27:15
just return it and then whatever I actually haven't tested my My Success
27:19
yet um you should do it right now I no it's you have to do a bunch of crap yeah
27:23
I thought you just download an app and check I no the well okay it might be now
27:27
when I first looked you had to download an app and you had to do a bunch of
27:30
other stupid crap and register on some thing or whatever yeah I was like ah
27:34
screw it I don't really care that much okay um but what I did notice is that
27:38
compared to my six I was like doing
27:42
better at the end of the day in terms of battery life when Apple is not making
27:46
any claims about the 6s having better battery life than the 6 so maybe I got a
27:52
Bonus maybe I got a tsmc chip but I
27:55
don't know um so so my my my take on
27:59
this is that um a the class action isn't going to work uh it's not like this has
28:03
never been done before uh NVIDIA with the 960m I want to say was using either
28:11
Maxwell or Kepler uh depending on which
28:14
notebook model you were buying I I'm going to double check which oh that's
28:20
gross I'm going to double check that um did anything happen with the RAM thing
28:24
3.5 gigs versus 4 no I don't think so see something maybe should have happened
28:28
no maybe it's not the 960 maybe it's not the 960m ah honestly I think something
28:32
should have happened was it the 860m or something like that 860m Kepler versus
28:37
Maxwell yeah it was the it looks like it was the 860m um where here we go so
28:42
here's notebook check um I don't know how comprehensive their benchmarks are
28:47
or anything like that but I think they've got yeah they've got 860m Kepler
28:51
versus Maxwell so let's have a look here
28:54
uh 45.2 FPS 49.6 f FPS and unen heaven
28:59
so here Maxwell is actually significantly faster in certain
29:03
workloads slower in others uh on yeah
29:06
here we go real word games so the Kepler comes out ahead Maxwell comes out ahead
29:11
they kind of trade blows um the
29:14
advantage I guess that NVIDIA had in that case was
29:18
that you couldn't read a
29:21
review of that notebook and get a
29:24
different thing because it was by model of not
29:27
so MSI's model XYZ might have Kepler and
29:31
ASUS's model ABC might have Maxwell
29:34
whereas with the iPhone 6s there is and
29:38
apple must understand this there is more to it than just the manufacturers rated
29:43
spec be all and end all as much as they'd love for that to be the case
29:47
there's reviewers there's Independent Media out there testing these things so
29:50
if if it came to light for example that
29:54
I know Apple doesn't seed a ton of devices directly but if it came to light
29:57
that Apple went out of their way to se a bunch of tsmc phones then that could
30:03
reflect very poorly on them and in fact the only way to really do damage control
30:07
in that case would be I think for Apple to have seated out only Samsung phones
30:12
for example so they could kind of go okay whenever we had any direct
30:16
influence on the review being done we showed a worst case scenario but if
30:21
apple collaborated with reviewers for reviews of the iPhone 6s to be done and
30:27
it is represented in a way that is not indicative of what the consumer will
30:31
actually receive then they could have a real problem on their hands but I think
30:34
it's probably going to take years for all of this to play out and uh by then
30:38
we'll be bored of talking about it and people may or may not get their $20
30:41
check in the mail and that'll basically be that people are asking who my
30:45
favorite hockey team is Toronto Maple Leafs really just kidding Leafs totally
30:49
suck oh thank
30:53
God um what is with people asking like
30:56
all these deep questions on in twitch chat it's like twitch chat has forgotten
31:00
what they are lonus if you never got into computers what do you think you
31:04
would be doing with your life um I would probably be an elementary school teacher
31:08
uh teacher because I've always liked presenting I've always I've always liked
31:13
I've always been good at sort of taking things and turning them into something
31:16
other people can understand which is kind of sort of what I do now and then
31:20
um elementary school because I'm just not that smart so what's going on high
31:26
school high cuz basically to teach
31:29
anyone I feel like you have to have one or two levels higher of knowledge than
31:34
you're expecting to give to them so I'm
31:37
not smart enough to teach like University or high school but I
31:41
definitely have a firm enough understanding of the next two levels up
31:44
to teach elementary school so that's probably what I would have gone with um oh I've got a whole lot of screw
31:50
you lonus what do you mean screw you lus even even Mike Babcock cannot make the
31:56
Leafs good I'm
31:59
sorry even even all the what was his uh
32:02
here hold on uh what was the Mike Babcock contract that cuz that was like
32:07
horrendous wasn't it like 70 million or something ridiculous like that at $50
32:12
million contract it's like no matter how
32:15
much money you spent honestly I think the coach's salary in cases like this
32:20
where you're doing like Blockbuster coaching deals I think it should cost
32:24
against your cap hit because if the whole idea behind the Sal cap is that
32:28
you want to increase par in the league you don't want people running around
32:32
spending 56 so what is it 8-year deal at 6.25 million on the coach and like all
32:39
this crap um you know like like the these these these other staff to like
32:43
make the players better but I mean that with that said the whether a salary cap
32:48
has a place in professional sports is a whole other argument that I'm not getting into I'm just saying that if
32:53
you're going to have a salary cap and if you're going to you know play that song
32:57
that's all about equality and every team having an equal chance at a Stanley Cup
33:01
then it should also apply to the rest of the staff on the ice do you want to
33:04
segue from that to more things about equality and equal chance and slamming
33:09
on NVIDIA a little bit more oh sure yeah to something that I don't think is in
33:12
the dock but should have been it's not I put it on the list is it how is this not
33:18
in the dock I thought I put it on the
33:21
list what the crap okay well this is
33:24
this super super pissed me off um for a number of reasons um NVIDIA
33:31
GeForce experience game day driver sorry
33:34
I'm just I'll find some article and I'll bring it up for you guys oh look it's
33:37
ARS Technica again these guys are awesome I love ARS Technica they're
33:41
actually like my favorite tech news site um other than Linus Tech tips.com where
33:46
you can also discuss with members of the Linus techtips Community the ARs Technica articles that we link to um so
33:51
the latest G and latest NVIDIA drivers to be locked behind GeForce experience
33:55
so it's pretty unusual for NVIDIA to do a whole press briefing conference call
34:00
thing about anything that isn't Hardware
34:03
yeah anything that isn't Hardware the software stuff is always just attached to some launch yes and they're really
34:09
good at doing that because it gives us something to talk about when we're like
34:13
it's the GTX 950 you increased all the spec
34:17
numbers but not as high as the 960 and
34:20
970 that we already have if we're willing to Shell out some more money um
34:25
so so it gives it gives the Press to like an actual story to tell which is
34:29
great um but they did one and I talked
34:32
to Luke and John who attended this call and the report was something along the
34:36
lines of to be fair I figured out there was no hard workare coming out and I
34:39
bailed early oh right okay and then John's report was something along the
34:43
lines of this is the most boring briefing ever and he used to work he
34:48
used to work in law so like rip
34:55
inia so basically what's happening is game ready drivers were will no longer
34:59
be downloadable through the NVIDIA website um which is crazy and only like
35:06
standard drivers will be available through the NVIDIA website which I think
35:09
come out once a quarter or something something like that um and then to be
35:13
able to get game ready drivers you have to have GeForce experience and sign up
35:17
with your email address yes email address verification required to be able
35:22
to download anything now to be clear it's not like you can't use a throwaway
35:26
email address it's not like you can't filter the crap
35:29
out of your email so they just go into a dump folder immediately yes but why it's
35:34
just dirty putting any impediment in the
35:39
way of a driver of a driver is horrible
35:43
I mean I I don't think I've ever ripped on adaptech for this before adaptech
35:48
turns off their download dri servers outside of business hours
35:55
yeah so I was in the middle of the night reformatting a server trying to I got my
36:01
new OS on it I'm trying to get my array back online and I cannot install drivers
36:06
for my RAID card are you for real so I
36:11
mean any reason for you know download
36:15
repository. comom which probably exists and maybe it's legit but it probably
36:18
isn't any reason for those sites to never have to exist ever again is a good
36:23
one is good yes hiding your driers
36:27
behind uh and and even just stupid stuff like wasting my time why do I have to
36:32
download off your site and then click
36:36
update and GeForce experience and wait for another download and another install
36:40
it's theg thing stupid I even like GeForce experience but I don't care this
36:46
is dumb and in nid I mean there are a lot of things that you can say in
36:51
NVIDIA's defense in their defense after you install drivers for the first time a
36:55
re reboot is no longer longer required so once you install within gForce
37:00
experience at least have anything to do with your email at least you don't have to restart no that's that's just crappy
37:04
across the board yeah like GeForce experience is cool I actually really
37:07
like it I was complaining about them wasting my time CU I can give them a throwaway email I don't care but wasting
37:13
my time I don't like and then and then and then and then sort of another sort
37:18
of kind of okay yeah I guess I kind of get it imagine this is your first time
37:21
too uh you just got a new graphics card y you didn't you didn't have a NVIDIA
37:25
graphics card before you just want to play some games you're you show up at
37:28
your buddy's house you're going to install the card and then have a little land between the two of you you install
37:33
your card he's already kind of playing and you're just like uh come on okay I
37:37
download g4ce experience okay now I have to type in my email what now I have to
37:40
verify this so you have to go to your email click on the thing verify the
37:44
thing okay now I can actually download the driver okay now I probably have to restart it's just obnoxious like there's
37:49
so many more steps so again in NVIDIA's defense their older non-game ready
37:53
drivers from our recent drivers through
37:56
the driver improvements Through the Ages Showdown are pretty good in NVIDIA's
38:02
defense again their quarterly wickle
38:07
complete package drivers absolutely Crush how often AMD is doing it right
38:12
now but that leads us email that no I
38:16
know I completely agree the email is rubbish and that's stupid and this shouldn't exist but but all those other
38:21
things basically lead me to my final point if AMD was competitive this
38:27
wouldn't be happening this is the kind of crap that doesn't happen if NVIDIA
38:33
has to kind of look at there you know also has 40% of the market and a very
38:38
competitive product and this could this could push consumers over the edge if
38:42
NVIDIA doesn't have to worry about AMD breathing down their neck a lot of
38:46
people kind of go you know NVIDIA needs AMD to to keep their prices fair you
38:50
know what I think NVIDIA has kind of locked into what they figure people are
38:54
willing to pay for a graphics card and they're already charging as much as they feel like let's be honest this is the
38:59
kind of stuff that worries me more where they feel like they've got free rain to
39:05
because like straight up this is for marketing emails yes they've got free
39:08
reign to ask for your personal information and to waste your time
39:13
because what else are you going to buy so that's that's basically the long
39:19
and short of that one I don't like it you shouldn't like it
39:25
um but I'm not really sure what I'm going
39:29
to do because I want game ready drivers so I guess I'll be downloading them
39:32
through GeForce exp and like I for people that already have GeForce cards
39:37
like yeah you can't you can't really vote with your wallet at that point
39:41
unless you have enough money to buy a new card already and people that have
39:44
like a 900 series card it's probably not a thing they probably just bought it oh
39:50
I don't know all right pretty rough don't like it very annoying so so let's
39:57
move on to our next the same thing like what you just said it's not technically
40:00
the worst thing in the world I can just filter it out but it's scary yep it's
40:03
just crappy anyways Tesla cars can drive themselves starting October 15th they
40:07
that's a little bit sensationalist yeah that is like a super damn Mega
40:13
redonkulous Le like The Verge used to be cool you guys used to be cool and like
40:18
now you're really not being that cool
40:21
right now um Tesla's cars can drive themselves
40:26
starting tomorrow in a straight line they can uh sort of well a little bit
40:31
more than that they can switch lanes and stuff um if you turn your turn signal on
40:35
then it's like okay so basically they can it's like
40:40
super badass cruise control someone described it that way that's not me
40:44
saying that I'm copying them I don't remember who it was but it's basically
40:48
like the sickest cruise control yeah um they're officially saying right now
40:51
you're supposed to keep your hands on the wheel you're not supposed to let go
40:54
of the wheel um and I would High recommend that um it's Auto steer it's
40:59
going to keep you in the lanes it'll check for side collisions it can turn for you if you turn the turn signal on
41:04
wait I don't think it turns for you I think it changes lanes for you only or sorry yeah it'll it'll change lanes for
41:09
you if you turn your turn auto park so it'll scan for parking spots Yep they're
41:13
saying this is this is upate that's a beta feature by the
41:16
way I love how there's beta features for a car it's so
41:20
dangerous um I believe this is version 7.0 something like that y yeah 7.0 so
41:25
7.1 one we'll make it so it can like drive out to a garage and then come pick
41:30
you up but yeah is that even in
41:35
here yep that's in here that's what it does yes okay so 7.1 will be able to
41:40
drive off to a garage and come pick you up when needed which is super sick um
41:45
but yeah they're being very clear that like if problems happen it's still
41:49
totally your fault so so basically it's
41:53
it's kind of it's kind of coming along um they're going to be continu ously
41:56
uploading real world uh sensor data from
41:59
the 7.0 equipped vehicles to continue to improve it so there's four sensor Types
42:03
on the car that they're going to be utilizing here forward radar forward facing camera 360° ultrasonic sensors
42:09
and a GPS combined with their high resolution navigation maps and so
42:13
they're they're probably going to be learning patterns yes well if this car
42:16
starts driving this way maybe I should stay away from it or whatever it'll
42:20
start learning and the whole Fleet will kind of hive mind to each other and and
42:25
and allow them to learn to drive better
42:28
um and so musk figures that or excuse me
42:32
Tesla figures that the functionality will improve with each passing week even
42:37
without firmware updates since the car is always accessing and improving tesas
42:42
highres Maps very cool yeah that's awesome it's interesting I I watched a
42:47
video and it's it's a little creepy because the guy goes over like a fairly
42:52
substantial bump I don't know if it's like a pothole or what it is because the
42:55
camera on the inside of the car so I can't see what's on the road but um like
43:00
the car jumps a little bit and you can tell like it went over something it
43:03
wasn't the car just jumping and the car is the the wheel is like oh oh oh okay
43:08
and like the the car doesn't jostle around but it it does just amount the
43:11
correction that it probably needed to and it fixed everything and the guy in the car is
43:15
like okay it's fine it's just crazy to
43:19
watch I don't know it was pretty cool I think it was Jalopnik that I watched the
43:22
video on excellent so you can check that out if you want um all right right we've
43:26
got I think we're going to kind of bundle four news topics into one here so
43:30
AMD reports their third quarter results so the original article here was from
43:35
market watch uh basically they're not
43:38
good but if you look at it quarter over quarter instead of year over-year then I
43:44
guess the revenue growth is nice but they're still losing like millions and
43:49
millions of dollars uh they're back over a billion dollars Revenue which is cool
43:55
I guess that's cool but like I could I could sell $10 bills
43:59
for 8 and I could probably do a billion dollars Revenue which is basically what
44:03
AMD is doing um also AMD is spinning off
44:08
their backend testing and assembly operations into a joint venture for 371
44:13
million so you know back to uh back to the whole back to the whole uh oh crap
44:20
men have Fabs I think it was Jerry Sanders II real men have Fabs AMD now
44:25
not only doesn't have Fabs they don't have the assembly plant for taking the
44:30
silicon and turning it into chips they are going full
44:33
fablous um but the good news is that this gets rid of I think it was
44:37
something like 1,700 employees that are no longer on payroll yep so their uh
44:43
contri the joint venture will see AMD contribute their facilities and P they're not being fired yeah yeah yeah
44:48
joint joint venture with uh oh crap now I forget uh Fujitsu yeah that's right
44:53
yeah so so there you go so there's that so so more bad news for AMD and actually
44:59
some bad news for Intel they report flat revenues and lower year-over-year
45:04
profits for Q3 original article here is
45:08
from tech report and the reason that that's bad news is because if business
45:13
isn't growing that's really really really really terrible because as much
45:17
as they're still making you know 65%
45:21
gross margin on their 14.6 billion dollar of Revenue uh which I think was
45:27
something along the lines of oh crap I
45:30
forget what net profit it was it was in the notes do you have it I do not see
45:35
it um blah blah blah blah blah BL you sure net profit is in the notes no I'm
45:39
not sure net net profits were still very very very good um but growth is very
45:46
important growth is important it means you're innovating it means your customers are inspired they're coming
45:50
back for more I was just going to say inspired and coming back for more I'm not that surprised yeah I'm not
45:55
surprised either which ties into the last the last oh apparently this link to
46:01
uh CTV News is dead unfortunately so there's uh
46:06
B basically the synopsis is uh Intel
46:11
HP uh PC does what campaign there we go
46:15
H ours Technica site is working yay ours cringeworthy PC does
46:21
what campaign wants you to upgrade uh so
46:26
because Intel has been building more power efficient desktop chips and hasn't
46:31
necessarily been that focused on you know dramatically improving performance
46:35
and I mean there's there's another issue is that there's not a whole lot of
46:38
things that you would want to do on a PC today that you couldn't do on a PC from
46:43
three to four years ago so help make more things so help make more things and
46:49
I mean it's not like they're not trying I mean there's those cameras with the
46:52
depth sensor that I can't imagine what anyone but a game streamer would
46:56
exactly like there's there's other stuff you can do though I don't know I think
47:00
the VR space is GNA be huge for people upgrading PCS yes that will but in the
47:05
meantime we have PC does what campaign uh and it's Dell HP Intel Lenovo and
47:10
Microsoft contributing to this with no
47:13
specific like product that they're trying to sell and the idea is just to
47:18
educate apparently very mainstream users
47:21
this is a mainstream user I think um
47:25
according to this campaign to educate mainstream users about what a PC does
47:29
and why you might give a crap about it so there's a
47:33
PC that's something someone would do that's the wow that's I hadn't actually
47:38
watched it yet yeah most helicopter Pilots probably
47:44
have a laptop in their
47:48
lap wow this is actually far worse than I
47:54
thought
47:58
wow I know it's sponsored by Lenovo in basically every single one of those
48:02
situations that laptop that you're testing out would have been
48:07
better because it's more rugged wow that's pretty
48:16
brutal sorry I don't know why didn't they come to us for
48:20
this we could have done so much better yeah the problem is we would have come
48:25
up with like awesome stuff that a PC does that has zero interest that didn't
48:29
have a helicopter or some dude in a dinghy in the ocean that has like but
48:33
the problem is we could we'd come up with stuff that she's not interested in
48:37
mind you I don't think she's interested in flying a helicopter with a computer
48:40
in her lap either no one should be interested that and like the music they
48:43
play the music in the cockpit no one would use a full laptop for that not to
48:48
mention phone not to mention that I've never encountered a laptop that you'd be
48:52
able to hear over the sound of helicopter rotors no oh you'd have a
48:56
phone and then that would talk to the the helicopter which would then
48:59
broadcast that to your headset that's assuming that we have helicopters with
49:03
like Bluetooth dashboard stereos oh they you do do they there's badass okay okay
49:09
like luxury that wasn't a luxury helicopter that was like the coast resue
49:12
helicop I mean we're talking hey man pass the aux cable we're talking it's
49:16
luy play this fire we're talking it's lucky if that thing flies in Canada in
49:20
Canada yeah we use boats for usually
49:26
did you just say for usually because that actually would have been awesome in
49:29
that case we use boats for usually I think we're
49:35
Canada I think I said usually oh this is
49:38
this is bad um oh whoops oh derp yeah
49:41
this is this is some ugly stuff so this is over on end Gadget uh Belle as much
49:46
as sometimes there are friends because my reception except here at the office
49:50
where we had to get a cell booster is good and they no it's not
49:55
that amazing though yeah it's okay switching from I came from telis and
49:59
I've very vocally said many things about telis so it's not like I love them but
50:04
my reception is slightly worse with Belle it shouldn't be they share Towers
50:08
really yeah it's noticeably slightly worse in shares towers with Tellis in
50:12
the East and Tellis shares towers with bell in the west that's really weird
50:17
yeah it's worse at my parents house and it's worse actually that's not true it's
50:21
worse in one part of my host and it's better in the other it could be it could
50:24
be your phone too something that almost no one it's really
50:27
funny someone no almost no one covers this in phone reviews anymore because
50:31
reception is for the most part fine but the Droid Turbo has terrible reception
50:37
uh at least for me because as a Verizon phone I'm not 100% sure if it supports
50:41
all of Belle's bands yeah so so that that is that is that could totally be it
50:46
because like I said in in part of my house where my phone straight up didn't work before it now works but in the rest
50:51
of my house it's like it usually works but it's kind of sketchy anyway I mostly
50:56
I like to like Bell because there's certain things that they do right by me
51:00
uh but this was not one of them so they've got a 1.2 million dooll fine on
51:04
their hands from Canada's competition Bureau after employees posted fake
51:09
reviews of bell apps on the Apple App
51:13
Store and on Google Play on the Google Play Store
51:18
um so basically they had kind of crap
51:21
ratings until some employees were
51:25
uh according to the regulator encouraged
51:28
to post glowing testimonials of the my bell and virgin my account apps to both
51:34
the App Store and Google play um so it was exposed by Scott Stratton who was
51:39
aware of the apps poor standing on iTunes and he suddenly saw the rating
51:43
Skyrocket due to a series of five-star reviews and then did some digging on
51:46
LinkedIn found out that the most praiseworthy mentions were directors
51:50
marketing managers and other paid people
51:53
by Bell Canada and and this dude was
51:56
angry yeah forced the company to admit that certain employees had been
51:59
encouraged to post the ratings but as soon as bosses were made
52:03
aware they ended the practice come
52:15
on that's pretty brutal yeah I'm happy
52:18
that this dude was angry enough to figure it out and I'm glad that this
52:21
sets a precedent in Canada for this thing this is the first time a company
52:24
has faced significant monetary fines for biased reviews in Canada and like like
52:29
lus said what at the beginning of the show or in the in the in the
52:33
announcement I don't even know what it was in but I don't even know what day it
52:36
is the $1.25 million which is like uh just
52:41
under a million dollars US I think which would be enough to bankrupt lonus Media
52:45
Group and lonus forever yay but is not a
52:49
drop in the bucket for B it's not that big of a deal for Bill yeah so like they
52:53
got their review a little bit higher and that might have even helped them maybe
52:59
maybe not to the tune of 1 m whatever million dollars I don't think but it was
53:04
a little bit of a Gamble and they lost and oh well I guess and I guess that's
53:09
the kind of stakes that you play with when you're a a national telecommunications company
53:14
yeah it's like yeah I'm a high roller so
53:17
whatevs um speaking of being a high
53:21
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53:55
geography but we went to a Logitech Place Luke and Brandon we went over the
53:58
Border Brandon where was it Port port Oregon or but it was above the line
54:04
wasn't it we were staying in Portland and then it was up above was it
54:08
not cuz it was actually somewhere else we were staying Portland we took a bus
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so to all the Americans out there making fun of us sorry oh yeah well in what
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order do the Canadian provinces that are all the same shape go across yeah that's
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right bet you didn't technically all the same yeah they're not no no they're not
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exactly the same shape but I but when you were doing your test or whatever in
54:30
grade four it was I had I had trouble I couldn't remember difficult which one
54:34
was shaped like this and which one was exactly flat yeah mind you that
54:38
shouldn't be hard the one with the flat lines is the one with the flat
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surface that's kind of true okay Nick is
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apparently watching WoW instead of doing work and uh has told us that it was in
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there's also a staris and call out that I would like to do um did you just do
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something did we do something wrong no no no no Nick's like yeah sorry I forgot
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my bad please don't fire me or something along those lines it's going to happen
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though so you know whatever to deal with that uh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh okay sorry
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all night all right um we do Bild logs build
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logs Bild logs let's do the Uber thing that's cool uber thing yeah original
60:59
article here is from TechCrunch and this is some pretty freaking Smurf stuff
61:02
right here Uber takes on delivery yeah
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Smurf it means good don't worry about it um it's a Family Guy reference you
61:10
wouldn't understand oh people use it for like gaming like if you're really good
61:13
and high ranked and you make a new account so you can play against crappy people they call it Smurfy I thought
61:17
that was called sandbag smurfing sandbagging maybe both I think the new
61:22
kids call it smurfing smurfing yeah Smurf account no I've heard that before
61:26
I've heard I've heard it in that context I haven't heard it called smurfing but
61:29
I've heard it called a Smurf yeah yeah yeah uh anyway Uber takes on the uh the
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package delivery services with Uber Rush
61:38
an OnDemand delivery service this looks
61:42
freaking awesome so basically they built an infrastructure of people driving
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around old chat's like sand
61:52
Bing you're so
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old hold
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on oh you know what no
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sandbagging is deliberately unper underperforming oh yeah no this is right
62:07
so having an account that deliberately underperforms to gain an unfair advantage in future
62:12
matches okay kind of yeah no the idea I
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think with smurfing is just creating a new one yes but that would represent
62:20
your your record would not be representative it's the same idea yeah
62:24
sandbagging is a thing so youing is more
62:27
if someone has a high ranked account and then they repeatedly lose on purpose to
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to get seated against a more favorable yeah that's definitely a thing actually
62:35
one of the most embarrassing examples of sandbagging that I ever saw was the uh
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women's I think it was like a it was women's
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badminton um in the last summer olympics
62:46
I want to say 2012 uh throw match something something
62:51
along those lines yeah here we go uh so
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this was in oh bloody
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hell can't remember anyway the video is amazing this like professional badminton
63:03
players playing on like my level just like not even trying so and the reason
63:08
was that they already knew the results of another match another couple matches
63:13
and they wanted to fall in a better place in the bracket so they'd have a better chance of going through anyway
63:17
all the players ended up getting disqualified so so get wrecked um thank
63:21
you Olympics for being on top of that but let's get back to Uber Rush so it's
63:24
a pilot version of its Merchant delivery service then it was launched October
63:28
14th in San Fran New York and Chicago we
63:32
still don't even have Uber in Canada thanks to the taxi Mafia um it's focused
63:37
on local shops for the moment
63:41
and uh utilizes vehicle and bike couriers to deliver things quickly so
63:46
Uber drivers can pick up passengers and
63:49
packages but can't do both at the same time uh so businesses basically don't
63:54
have to pay Uber to sign up for Uber rush but each delivery will cost the
63:57
merchant between $5 and $7 which is not bad when you consider that it happens
64:02
right away so Business Insider tried the New York City pilot and a reporter had a
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rain coat she forgot at a meeting and picked it up and dropped it off and it
64:10
was picked up and dropped off within 20 minutes for $111 wow pretty cool hey
64:15
that's not bad at all um so yeah that's
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pretty cool that's awesome I just wish we had Uber at all yeah even even
64:22
slightly would be nice yeah
64:25
um this is like the shittiest news ever
64:29
um but basically uh John total biscuit Bane oh has uh has oh whoops that's the
64:36
wrong that's the wrong thing has released a statement on Twitter that uh
64:40
basically says his cancer is back so I don't know if all of you are necessarily
64:45
familiar with total biscuit but you probably should be yeah I know um you
64:49
probably should be we've had him as a guest on W show before where he was
64:53
awesome by the way but he's awesome at a lot more things than just being a Guest
64:57
on w show solid dude upstanding dude um
65:01
has has really changed games journalism
65:04
in a way that goes beyond how many subscribers he has on YouTube um and the
65:12
the long and short of it is the average life expectancy for the condition that
65:15
he's in right now is two to three years however that is based on that the
65:20
condition that he's in is usually found
65:24
in older people who are less capable of fighting it so you know he's hoping for
65:29
the best and who knows what cancer treatments are going to be available in the next who knows even two to three
65:34
years you know hopefully he's got a fighting chance but it's um it's back so
65:39
we just we're we're we're talking about
65:42
that not because it's Tech news necessarily but just because it's uh
65:46
it's it's a bummer um check out check out total biscuit while you can but we
65:51
are still still really hoping for the best best for him and uh yeah uh also
65:57
he's closing his Starcraft 2 Team axium
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um this was this was another there's a screen grab of the full announcement uh
66:04
that I can pull up here but basically it's it's it's come to an end the axium
66:09
website is down um they hadn't been having a great run in terms of
66:12
competitiveness for a variety of reasons over the last little bit anyway but um
66:17
in light of in light of what's going on in in John's life
66:21
um yeah he's focusing more on family and
66:25
medical expenses at the moment so this super sucks not only do I like him as a
66:29
person having him on the show and talking to him outside of the show and stuff but I literally watch everything
66:35
he releases I had never talked to him before we had him on the show actually
66:39
which is kind of funny um because I just like I had talked to him at shows as a
66:43
fan without him knowing who I was I think right so I hadn't done that but
66:48
I've actually stayed in touch with him since we had him on the show almost two
66:51
years ago like I yeah
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yeah um so let's move on to something
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else I guess um build logs sure Let's do let's
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do build logs so we actually haven't done this in
67:12
a long time but on the lineus tech tips Forum folks can create I'm actually
67:16
going to move us out of the way here uh folks can submit their build logs so
67:21
logs of their build um pretty self-explanatory I would recommend full
67:25
screening it if you can uh oh okay button is there there we go yes allow
67:32
why would I click full screen if I don't want it to allow it um so basically uh
67:35
voters can staff or Community can pick ones that they like and then they can be
67:39
featured on the show at least that was the theory we stopped doing it for a
67:42
long time because we forgot uh so this one looks absolutely sick check out that
67:49
custom back plate from the graphics you know what this that Skyline is the
67:53
skyline yeah yeah I'm not sure cuz I recognized like the the needle on the
67:57
far left yeah don't know off the top of my head someone's going to tell us what
68:01
a bunch of idiots we are and they're going to know but I don't so yeah
68:06
absolutely gorgeous look at that it reminds me of uh
68:10
sniff it's not sniff but it reminds me of sniff that just looks fantastic I
68:15
sure wish that this coolant made sense for anything other than like Glam
68:19
footage of systems you know that if you turn your system off for a while it
68:22
settles and then like gops up so you have to literally run your system
68:26
like pretty much continuously someone the chat was like I don't like Luke one
68:30
time he forgot who the actor who played Han Solo was I I don't like Luke
68:36
either yeah and you probably don't even know that that's a somewhat roundabout
68:40
Star Wars reference I know I know do you
68:45
I did know do you good jerk so this is the second one so that
68:50
was what that was voters pick I think this is now the
68:54
like mod teams pick but don't talk trash about Luke cuz he'll rip your arms
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off not just like when he loses
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proper you're referencing the wrong person is that the whole point no yeah
69:06
it's just a Star Wars reference yeah okay but you're saying Luke
69:10
what who is in Star Wars even the previous reference was not Luke it was
69:14
uh Dr whatever his face is but isn't he saying that towards yeah he is saying
69:19
that to Luke I guess you got that what you talking about
69:22
son that's not a reference on a second hold
69:27
on a second who is that line delivered he doesn't like you very much is that
69:30
what you're talking about no no yeah no that one's to Luke but uh who is Han
69:33
telling that a wi no C3PO that's right
69:37
um but he's talking about the wook h no no no no no yeah okay Han is talking to
69:44
C3PO about Chewbacca the wi name is Chewbacca I know you said right then I
69:49
don't know if you know these things jerk I knew the character in the show I
69:53
didn't know the actor so here's our staff pick and I
69:57
do wow You'll see it's pry I've got wood
70:01
yes basically check that out look at that
70:04
bottom picture I'm liking it that's pretty sick that's fantastic so he took
70:08
like the actual front grill off of some case nice and compact looking pretty
70:13
good I think it's cool all right we got one more here um so this is the like uh
70:20
like wild card got picked because holy crap what
70:25
the hell system all right so this is this is it I
70:29
think this is the only photo there is so he has a computer an Xbox 360 a
70:34
PlayStation 3 and a PlayStation 4 all water cooled on one Loop wow yeah that's
70:41
fantastic yeah well I mean you'd only really use
70:45
one of them but it is cool yeah but I mean having those there for like you
70:49
know look at how inferior these ones look Museum archival purposes know my
70:55
favorite part is too is all the PC components like color match the board
70:58
and stuff and then it's like oh green grossness yeah here's some ugly pcbs I
71:04
ripped out of some like turd boxes or whatever okay to be
71:10
fair we have actually said that the PlayStation 4 was not terrible at launch
71:14
and if you want to play exclusive titles launch and now you can like kick its ass
71:19
well yeah but like all the scrapyard War stuff that went down oh yeah I know when
71:23
you guys see the new one yeah it's going to be it's even like
71:28
yeah I don't know the result is very cool all right so the scarp raised $4
71:34
million before having its funding suspended for not having a working
71:39
prototype and oh man did they ever try to sell people on the idea that the
71:44
footage they were showing was somehow a working prototype it was not it was not
71:48
even remotely a working it was not I am I am frankly a little disappointed that
71:53
we talked about this thing see this is why every time we get burned on this
71:57
crap I'm like you know what we should just not cover Kickstarter stuff anymore
72:01
you know what we should just stop covering Kickstarter stuff but then we get to cover this part of it and then
72:05
there's like some cool thing so every single thing that we cover in Kickstarter is two
72:11
topics think about it that way we're getting great mileage out of these
72:15
topics we are yeah they're amazing then we already know everything about it next
72:19
time we have to cover it I think it's we should only cover
72:23
Kickstarter stuff then we only have to prep a show twice a month so more than
72:29
20,000 people had backed the project um
72:32
this is there's a great Reddit thread that you guys should read through about
72:35
all the reasons why what they were doing probably doesn't or perhaps could work
72:42
um the ACT people digging into the alleged cred credibility of the people
72:47
involved versus um what they were saying their credibility was people picking
72:51
apart some of the footage and why it may or may not have had a filter over the
72:55
lens or or whatever else um so
73:00
basically um super sketch it's back up on
73:05
Indiegogo so there's that yep and has
73:08
raised $3,000 already already again um so yep
73:15
there you go the campaign will receive all funds even if it doesn't reach its
73:19
goal so apparently the if this is a scam
73:23
then they've they've set their sights a little lower but they but they'll take
73:27
the 300 Grand yeah if it's not a scam then I do sincerely hope that it I'm
73:32
glad our logo is not there I do sincerely hope that it ends up being
73:37
being real I really want it to be real I
73:41
super do they have not put any acknowledgements have you seen this
73:44
video yeah this crap video yeah it's
73:48
it's brutal they're like oh my God it's it's like they like get someone else to
73:52
hold the camera camera they used a Dremel to like yeah cut out a thing on
73:57
their prototype and then they put like a a filament in
74:03
here they could be anything they don't show us the power source so it could be
74:07
a AAA Battery it could be a nuclear generator yeah um it's just the worst
74:13
shot video like ever and why is it so
74:16
green that's a lens filter to help you see something or something or something
74:22
anyway um there's there's no audio if I remember correctly the video on YouTube
74:26
has ratings disabled and comments disabled
74:30
yep so something something Etc yeah they
74:34
haven't said anything about being uh
74:37
kicked off of Kickstarter which is really interesting
74:40
yeah very very
74:44
interesting well we'll see how that turns
74:49
out someone someone just said scrap here Wars 3 should be four cuz three's
74:54
already coming out but Scrappy Doors 3 make a laser
75:03
razor oh man that's awesome all right so
75:08
super NHL is on its way with support for
75:12
8K video so someone heard lonus complaining about how the heck you
75:17
deliver 8K video and delivered super MHL
75:20
yes they were like Wow Let's develop all of this and less than a week yep so move
75:26
over standard mobile highdef link super MHL is on its way and it's bringing
75:31
better video quality and support than ever before according to the sub
75:35
headline on CNET so the skinny is this
75:38
support for 8K 120
75:42
FPS um allows you to stream up to 8K AV
75:47
content from a mobile device to a TV or other display and supports up to 48 bit
75:50
color totally unnecessary by the way um and launched it CES 2015 so they
75:55
actually went back in time did all the work that I asked for and that doesn't
76:01
sound too complicated and someone sent me the link just in time for it to be
76:04
after I complained that it didn't exist yet I really like the way that all of
76:07
that timing has work also uh wait yeah never
76:12
mind um this is just kind of funny uh
76:15
wired reports that Leonardo decaprio has snapped up film rights to the to the to
76:21
the to the proposed book that is not written about the VW
76:27
emissions Scandal um so yeah so they've teamed up
76:33
with Paramount to buy the rights good um
76:37
it will apparently be called too big to fail good and it'll be something about
76:41
the impact on the automotive industry of the race to more specs and more better
76:46
faster and all that kind of stuff um he's also actually recently signed a
76:51
multi-year deal with Netflix to produce en environmental films
76:55
cool good there you go cool do good things DiCaprio way to go Leo yay I
77:02
don't know that you're actually a super nice dude but at least you're doing this
77:05
yes uh this is cool I actually submitted a review unit request got my ass handed
77:10
to me they're like yep so we've chosen I got a form letter back they're just like
77:14
so we've chosen some key blah blah Etc so you're not getting one but hey we'll
77:18
let you know if there's more later and also you can have a discount on buying
77:22
one which I'm not doing because I think it's going to be a piece of crap but this is the light l16 camera and
77:29
apparently challenges dslrs with 16 lenses in one package so the idea yes
77:35
right there you were looking at whoa a camera that will record the image 16
77:42
different ways allowing you to make that sounds like a bad idea make changes to
77:47
the image in terms of focus in terms of
77:50
a bunch of other stuff after the fact hold on a second John's trying to leave
77:54
the office hold on can you put the
77:57
sponsor spots in the script and um save
78:02
them as. txt one thanks wasn't that
78:07
already a technology oops are they claiming that they invented this are
78:10
they claiming they invented this I don't think so okay cool uh two that just
78:14
sounds like a terrible idea um yeah I mean I I think the the
78:19
the the DSLR traditionalists are going to probably look at this go or you could
78:24
take one photo with a big sensor and a nice lens in front of it properly the
78:29
first time and then teran's going to be like fix it in post this is the greatest
78:33
camera that's ever existed because I can fix it in post even better a so it'll
78:38
have a touchscreen display on the back um it'll cost about $1,300 on pre-order
78:45
and when it starts shipping in the summer of 2016 it'll cost $1,700 that's
78:49
assuming it works at all and
78:53
um yeah I guess I'm not really sure what else to say about that um it's about the
78:59
size of an X6 so it's not huge which is cool the U LT or um the originally
79:06
unofficial that's what uo came from lus Tech tips star is in conglomerate um is
79:13
going to be having a tournament thingy there's going to be giveaways based on
79:16
your performance in the tournament the first giveaway is a $25 gift card the
79:19
second place is a $10 gift card and the third place is a $5 item from The Pledge
79:24
store um even if you show up it's just supposed to kind of be fun so don't
79:28
worry if you're not very good at shooting and blowing stuff up like me
79:32
I'm usually good at flying spaceships and spaceship games and I'm really bad
79:36
at it in Star season so oh well um yeah
79:39
there's a thread on the Forum you should go there just look up operation brawl
79:42
star seon giveaway and you will find it it's from Napper 198 go check it out go
79:47
join it should be fun yeah uh wow we've got a whole bunch
79:52
of of stuff Apple updated their iMac peripherals so now there's the Magic
79:58
Mouse 2 which features a charging port
80:01
on the bottom for some reason uh original article here is from a
80:05
nonch um so there you go there's also a
80:09
new magic Trackpad too so so everyone just freaked out
80:16
about the mouse and a magic and magic keyboard updated version how bad do you
80:20
think the most is because some people are just like Atomic over the mouse
80:24
having the charging thingy on the bottom I think it's super stupid um where would
80:28
you rather it went in the very front I liked their their doublea battery
80:31
approach before the great thing about a mouse that just takes doublea batteries
80:35
is that it will work forever because you can keep putting new double a batteries
80:39
in it and if you're out of battery a very Apple approach and if you're out of
80:42
battery hold on if you're out of battery you don't have to sit on ass waiting for
80:47
it to charge you can throw in some disposables if you're if you're in a pinch like we use 98 8% rechargeable
80:53
batteries at lus Media Group but that doesn't mean that we don't have a bin of
80:57
disposables just in case we're desperate um and the and the is the other issue
81:01
here is that many mice with internal
81:04
batteries that um with internal
81:07
batteries so you can't just swap the battery pack have charging connector
81:12
positions such that you can plug them in and use them pluged into the computer so
81:16
just looks like a Wired Mouse which is like what everyone has always done
81:20
forever with that said it charges for $9 hours of use in about 2 minutes I think
81:24
people's freak out was a little bit much and that's exactly why but it's still
81:28
really stupid and it's another example of Apple just going no um well design is
81:34
um everything so we're going to put the
81:37
important things on the bottom maybe next they'll put the click on the bottom
81:41
because it looks better without actually they already kind of did that when they
81:45
removed the uh the separated plastic buttons and just had the click be part
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of there you go uh the magic Trackpad has a built-in
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battery brings Force touch to the desktop which is very cool uh it's 30%
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larger almost than the previous track pad and pairs automatically with your
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Mac and the magic keyboard is rechargeable battery again via lightning
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to USB pairs automatically and better scissor mechanism under each key
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increase stability etc etc so there you go some updates some of which are dumb
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some of which are good and some of which are just really not very important at
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all what else we got here I think that might be about it
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the iPhone 6s camera shows literally no
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or little improvement over the iPhone
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6 um so yeah it's fine but so is the G4
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this is from dxo mark.com so is the LG G4 so is the Samsung Galaxy S6 there's a
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lot of great smartphone cameras out there it's really nice that you don't have to buy an iPhone anymore and that
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cell phone cameras have kind of gotten as good as they need to be for a bit even Apple agrees they didn't make it
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better uh with that said the 6s improves in a lot of other ways over the six my
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review of that is up on vessel and we'll be coming to YouTube uh soon you talking
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about Humble Bundle they used to be the reason why I brought that up is because
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we used to call out what the Humble Bundle was every week do you remember
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that yeah back when it was like that back when it was like cool and sexy and
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not and that is the whole point of this topic is that hle bundle has let go of
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20% of their staff this is off destructoid.com which is 12 people um
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the CE admits that um it was a little
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bit of an overly eager expansion which is probably completely true um and this
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is largely to do this part isn't in the notes but this is largely to do with
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well back in the day we used to call out every one of their bundles because they
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were sick and they're really not that sick anymore at the very beginning which
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you would expect a company to grow at the very beginning they were selling a
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lot of hum humble bundles I think it was like 500 600,000 for the first sale now
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they're at like 100 to 200,000 for sale which is a huge difference and your
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company is as big as he made it for
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um I don't actually know I'm not in the company from but from as far as I can
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tell the small amount of things that they do yeah well they do book bundles
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they do game store they have a game store and now a subscription
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service um and and I mean it's not like it's not like their competitors have
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stood still it's not like people it's like uh that's the whole thing yeah
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there's a lot of bundle companies now that's like Groupon remember when Groupon went like super everyone thinks
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it's important and then there's like a a
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billion like clone you know group deal
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you know go to a restaurant for less than because they realize how actually
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like again I'm not in the industry so I don't know but how easy it probably is a
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lot of these Indie guys are going to want to be on these bundles so if you're
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like hey bundle they'll be like okay yes please y I don't
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know um there was one other thing
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I don't know do we want to do more bad news for AMD or should we just go easy
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on them uh sure corporate fellow Phil Rogers has
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left the company after 21 years so our
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original uh original article here is from
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hardocp um so corporate fellow to be clear is the highest level of technical
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recognition at AMD and is reserved for those who impact AMD's business
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opportunities and Technical breadth by providing a high degree of expertise
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knowledge creativity and tactical and strategic Direction he has gone to
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NVIDIA and he is now their Chief soft software architect for compute
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server what that's a little brutal yeah bummer
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about that um I don't know I think that's probably it I think I just banned
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like you know what 20 people oh my goodness I feel terrible I had promised
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we were going to do the Afterparty with the honorable mentions for the ultrawide
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festival today and I am not because I need to shoot three fastest posses right
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now and I am already like tired and it's
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already after 6 and I have to go somewhere after this so I will do it but
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it will not be this week of your mom yep
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actually yep all right so see you guys next week same bat Time same bat Channel
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bye get banned are they doing that his thing
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some of them are doing his thing some of
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posting. I don't
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something